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  1. German_reader says:

    Already commented on it in the previous thread, Visegrad 24 now celebrating Polish “volunteers” taking part in the raid on Belgorod:
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-219/#comment-5993717

    What’s their excuse exactly? Neither from a country that has been attacked by Russia nor Russian “dissidents”.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    That whole region is a part of Poland's historic sphere of influence due to the PLC lol.

    Replies: @Old Brown Fool, @Derer, @Beckow

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    BTW, off-topic, but here is a question for you: Had Russia remained in WWI up to the very end and avoided the Bolshevik coup, and also gotten Constantinople and the Straits after the end of WWI, is there any chance that it could have used them as a bargaining chip in order to get Turkey to join a reformed Greater Russian Federation as its own separate federal unit? As in, give Turkey Constantinople and the Straits back, but only contingent on Turkey actually agreeing to join a reformed Greater Russian Federation as its own separate federal unit.

    Turkey has impressive human capital by Middle Eastern standards and thus it would be a shame for a Russia who wins WWI not to try attempting something like this, especially if done on a voluntary basis:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2022/10/national-intelli-basic-skills/

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/basic_skills_map-2048x969.png

    And the unification agreement can have a clause that Constantinople and the Straits will return to Russia if Turkey will ever subsequently withdraw from this Greater Russian Federation.

    Replies: @Old Brown Fool

    , @Pixo
    @German_reader

    There are volunteers from at least 20 White nations defending Free Christian Europe against Putin’s Islamo-Oriental hordes and prison-recruited rapist-mercenaries.

    Good for them!

    https://assets.deutschlandfunk.de/1fbcc4b0-c8fd-45b7-9771-fe2f8e10fd98/1280x720.jpg?t=1663058502356

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya, @Derer

    , @Mikel
    @German_reader

    It looks like an intelligent provocation by the Ukrainians. If constant raids and shelling of mainland Russia doesn't force them to divert enough forces from the fronts, let's try invading Russian sovereign territory with Polish soldiers.

    But of course they're playing with fire, as they've done from the beginning. I don't see too much outrage in Russian TG channels though. Perhaps the idea that Russia if effectively fighting NATO sank in a long time ago and everybody's now concentrated on the actual Ukrainian counteroffensive in the Southeast, which could well be as successful as the one last year.

    Only one thing is for certain: if some Russian politician utters some threat against Poland for this provocation many people in Eastern Europe will interpret it as further proof of Russia's imperialist threat and Western MSM will also report it as such, not having informed of the earlier Polish militants' incursion.

    Replies: @QCIC, @German_reader

  2. A123 says: • Website

    Sorry. The prior thread became unstable. One partial post occurred and I could not delete it.

    The new thread is appreciated.

    Polling — Part I — National Election

    ================
    Figures don’t lie,
    but liars do figure.
    1884, Anonymous
    ================

    Some highly emotional #NeverTrump extremists used flawed science in the prior thread. Polling can fail in a number of ways. (1)

    “Polling” can be a loaded term. Since the early days of polling, the field has had to defend its reputation against the damage done by individuals and organizations who manipulate or even fabricate poll findings to bring the force of public opinion to their agenda. Some polling organizations release partial results, or only release numbers favorable to their client. Some conduct polls with biased question wordings.

    Let us break out three key factors:
        -1- Funding/Sponsor
        -2- Fabrication/Method
        -3- Question Selection
    ___

    -1- Funding/Sponsor

    National Public Radio [NPR] is both government funded and highly Globalist in its programming. Anything with NPR in its title is highly suspect. They spend money to push their Leftoid agenda. Accuracy is not well regarded.

    In fact, all major U.S. networks (including post-Carlson Fox) — what I describe as the “Fake Stream Media” [FSM] — share this Globalist bias. Therefore, a #NeverTrump agenda is almost always present from those who are paying the bills.

    There are a few smaller independent firms and true academic sponsors. However, they do not have the resources to produce results on a frequent basis.
    ___

    -2- Fabrication/Method

    Are there ways to fabricate a more #NeverTrump outcome? Yes. Methods that align to this goal are easily available. The most common is sample selection. Three marks commonly seen are:
        [A] Adults
        [RV] Registered Voter
        [LV] Likely Voter

    LV is the most accurate method. RV is proven to be “Left” biased by 5-10%. The last method, A is prone to wild swings and thus less frequently seen outside of ultra quick turnaround, snap polls.

    Polling firms claim that cost drives them to use less reliable RV rather than the better LV. And, this surface explanation has initial plausibility. However, if the intent of the funder and polling firm is to be accurate:

    Why not adjust the RV results for known bias RV/LV?

    The answer is intuitively clear. Those paying for the poll want numbers to promote their agenda. The known inaccuracy is thus left in as an element of deception.
    ___

    -3- Question Selection

    The event that actually impacts peoples lives is, “Who will win in November 2024?” Unless the No Label crowd manages to generate a credible third party (highly unlikely) the U.S. 2024 race will be in the two party system paradigm.

    Therefore, the best way to structure questions is, “Which will you vote for — A or B?” Volunteered answers like ‘write in’ or ‘will not vote’ are valid responses, but this question reflects the duality of the actual impending choice.

    There are built in problems with question selection where there is — “Do you approve of A?” And then a separate, “Do you approve of B?”

    -A- Voting action is determinative, not the emotional state of approval. People will vote against their feeling if there is sufficient perceived need.

    -B- Polling for one-sided emotional state misses the inherent two-sided choice.

    -C- One sided emotional questions can be displayed without the other half, thus intentionally creating an deceptive presentation. This is a very NPR technique.
    ___

    Highly emotional #NeverTrump hatred was seen on display in the prior thread. The poster claimed to be “data driven” but was actually 180° the opposite. The distraught reality denier sought out badly worded questions, flawed methodology, and corrupt sources. Then displayed this obvious intellectual failure to rage against America’s past & future President.

    Will Independents follow their wallets?

    History shows this is likely. Many independents will vote against Not-The-President Biden for his wrecking of the American economy. By process of elimination, this creates votes for Trump, despite any less than positive emotional approval state of him as a person.

    PEACE 😇
    _________

    (1) https://www.healthpolldatabase.org/understanding-health-polling/what-is-a-push-poll/
    ___

    Correction — I misused the term “push polling” in the prior thread. While the cited NPR poll was misleading, it did not meet the technical criteria to be a push poll. I should have stuck with my first instinctive label, propaganda.

    • Thanks: silviosilver
  3. Age related solidarity – one senior somewhat sympathizing with other senior experiencing senior type of accident;)

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ
  4. Last night, 3 June was a full moon. A full moon will negate the Ukrainians advantage in night vision (main subject of British training). In two weeks there will be no moon. That’s when the big attack should come, plus or minus a few days. Also there will be longer hours of daylight to operate logistics.

    In the next two weeks, expect some feints by Ukraine to churn up the Russian reserves and perhaps even a couple of feints from Russia.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Philip Owen

    75-25 nothing happens.

    Battle of the Nations
    Ukraine Russia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIzpyF6DMis&ab_channel=Roland-Garros

    The Ukraine player apparently does not speak Ukrainian. She is from Odessa and lives in London. Gross grunts.

    The crowd went W I L D.

    , @Gerard1234
    @Philip Owen

    Hi Phillip . my dear friend ( just joking, you hideous POS)


    Last night, 3 June was a full moon. A full moon will negate the Ukrainians advantage in night vision (main subject of British training).
     
    Except for

    Also there will be longer hours of daylight to operate logistics.
     
    the remaining comment is a disgusting use of NATO propaganda vomit/lies.

    In two weeks there will be no moon. That’s when the big attack should come, plus or minus a few days
     
    Well, it was a completely different type of operation, but today is anniversary of western allies landing at Normandy.........which also occurred on the date of a full moon! So I would say for many reasons that your claim is just a useless supposition. True it was a long time before and warfare has changed, but the fundamental thinking of those in charge has not .

    1. British had huge advantage over Nazis in cryptography and photogrammetry - as shown in the absence of interception of any western allied communications, plentiful Nazi messages intercepted ( I think Britain fed the Nazis false intelligence leading them to send men to the wrong beach)............and aerial reconnaissance and the photogrammetry techniques used from them giving Britain full knowledge of where all the fortifications and weapons installations along the coast ...including those best hidden /camouflaged on 2d camera image.

    English Channel crossing is 30-50km? I don't know much about those particular waters, but am always hearing about people regularly swimming across there, absence of any shipwrecks , africans/arab refugees sailing across there............are they that difficult waters for a mass-scale amphibious landing? Western allies heavily outnumbered those defending Nazi positions around the coast.

    Nazi's had control of Channel Islands for all of the war ( unbelievably) - you would think that early warning position would eliminate the possibility of western allies trying to land at much of the french coast

    So with all those conditions, you would think less the requirement to start invasion on the night of the full moon - giving the Nazis maximum use of one of the few advantages they had........and more to use the darkness given the enhanced knowledge of the enemy positions and installations . But they didn't - because your full moon is bad theory is a load of c*ap - certainly as an isolated factor to make such a decision.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @John Johnson
    @Philip Owen

    Last night, 3 June was a full moon. A full moon will negate the Ukrainians advantage in night vision (main subject of British training).

    They won't have the same element of surprise but the Russians are using older AK-47s.

    Shoot an AR-15 or AK-47 at twilight or full moon.

    Then try aiming irons at anything in the woods.

    You need a red dot or illuminated scope against a modern force. The AK flash blinds your vision and the irons disappear against anything dark. You have to flare the entire area and I haven't seen a single video where Russians use flares or smoke.

    Any Ukrainians attacking at night will have suppressors. When the Ukrainians send out special forces there will be a lot of quick nighty nights in the trenches.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  5. The Ukrainian offensive appears to be starting. Or maybe it’s just one of the feints that Phillip mentioned above.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William

    Ukraine is biding its time. Just like the Anglo-French tried to do during the Phoney War over 80 years ago.

    Replies: @Beckow

  6. @Philip Owen
    Last night, 3 June was a full moon. A full moon will negate the Ukrainians advantage in night vision (main subject of British training). In two weeks there will be no moon. That's when the big attack should come, plus or minus a few days. Also there will be longer hours of daylight to operate logistics.

    In the next two weeks, expect some feints by Ukraine to churn up the Russian reserves and perhaps even a couple of feints from Russia.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Gerard1234, @John Johnson

    75-25 nothing happens.

    Battle of the Nations
    Ukraine Russia

    The Ukraine player apparently does not speak Ukrainian. She is from Odessa and lives in London. Gross grunts.

    The crowd went W I L D.

  7. @German_reader
    Already commented on it in the previous thread, Visegrad 24 now celebrating Polish "volunteers" taking part in the raid on Belgorod:
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-219/#comment-5993717

    What's their excuse exactly? Neither from a country that has been attacked by Russia nor Russian "dissidents".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Pixo, @Mikel

    That whole region is a part of Poland’s historic sphere of influence due to the PLC lol.

    • Agree: Pixo
    • LOL: John Johnson
    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
    @Mr. XYZ

    If it comes back, it will be a plc.

    , @Derer
    @Mr. XYZ

    Do you mean, Poland has sphere of influence? Since when? Polaks are perennial complainers regardless of whatever system they live in.

    , @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    So Poland has a 'historic sphere of influence', so does little England, Turkey, maybe even Romania or Lithuania. But Russia? Absolutely not !!!! that's imperialism!!!!

    And you expect to be taken seriously....:)

    Replies: @German_reader, @Boethiuss

  8. @German_reader
    Already commented on it in the previous thread, Visegrad 24 now celebrating Polish "volunteers" taking part in the raid on Belgorod:
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-219/#comment-5993717

    What's their excuse exactly? Neither from a country that has been attacked by Russia nor Russian "dissidents".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Pixo, @Mikel

    BTW, off-topic, but here is a question for you: Had Russia remained in WWI up to the very end and avoided the Bolshevik coup, and also gotten Constantinople and the Straits after the end of WWI, is there any chance that it could have used them as a bargaining chip in order to get Turkey to join a reformed Greater Russian Federation as its own separate federal unit? As in, give Turkey Constantinople and the Straits back, but only contingent on Turkey actually agreeing to join a reformed Greater Russian Federation as its own separate federal unit.

    Turkey has impressive human capital by Middle Eastern standards and thus it would be a shame for a Russia who wins WWI not to try attempting something like this, especially if done on a voluntary basis:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2022/10/national-intelli-basic-skills/

    And the unification agreement can have a clause that Constantinople and the Straits will return to Russia if Turkey will ever subsequently withdraw from this Greater Russian Federation.

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
    @Mr. XYZ

    Could the old Russian empire have held such a thing as the old Turkish empire as its constituent unit? Turkey then was not a compact nation-state, but an empire in its own right, even if Europeans have started gnawing many parts. It was probably more populous than the core Russian areas.

    In general, how successful Russia would be in taking a non- Caucasian, non- Mongol, dark people, probably 25% of its population, as its constituent?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  9. @Greasy William
    The Ukrainian offensive appears to be starting. Or maybe it's just one of the feints that Phillip mentioned above.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Ukraine is biding its time. Just like the Anglo-French tried to do during the Phoney War over 80 years ago.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...like the Anglo-French tried to do during the Phoney War over 80 years ago.
     
    That ended quite badly a few months later for the French.

    The Ukies will be ordered to attack and be bloodied. The neo-cons have been buying time by using Ukie lives because they can't face the reality of losing. Once that option is gone, the real hysteria will begin...

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Boethiuss

  10. @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William

    Ukraine is biding its time. Just like the Anglo-French tried to do during the Phoney War over 80 years ago.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …like the Anglo-French tried to do during the Phoney War over 80 years ago.

    That ended quite badly a few months later for the French.

    The Ukies will be ordered to attack and be bloodied. The neo-cons have been buying time by using Ukie lives because they can’t face the reality of losing. Once that option is gone, the real hysteria will begin…

    • Agree: Derer
    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Beckow

    I don't think there is going to be an offensive. It sounds like the probing attacks today failed catastrophically. This conflict has been WWI'ified where the only way to take territory is to use "bite and chew" tactics; which appear to be all either army is capable of carrying out anyway.

    , @Boethiuss
    @Beckow


    The Ukies will be ordered to attack and be bloodied. The neo-cons have been buying time by using Ukie lives because they can’t face the reality of losing. Once that option is gone, the real hysteria will begin…
     
    The Ukrainians are going to attack and kick ass. The only way they are going to get their territory back is to take it by force.

    The neocons have some juice in that they have some influence in the Biden Administration and the Biden Administration has sent lots of kit to Ukraine. But the will to fight is coming from the Ukrainians. There's nobody in the US ordering them to do anything.

    When offensive does start, Russia is going to fold quickly. Like you said they are spread out to thin. And there is no tactical or strategic necessity for Ukraine to attack any particular fortification.

    Replies: @Derer, @Beckow

  11. What was the first movie where humans teamed up with aliens to kill humans? Enemy Mine?

  12. Roman phenotypes:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    the statue on the bottom right looks like Ron DeSantis

    Replies: @Joe Paluka

  13. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...like the Anglo-French tried to do during the Phoney War over 80 years ago.
     
    That ended quite badly a few months later for the French.

    The Ukies will be ordered to attack and be bloodied. The neo-cons have been buying time by using Ukie lives because they can't face the reality of losing. Once that option is gone, the real hysteria will begin...

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Boethiuss

    I don’t think there is going to be an offensive. It sounds like the probing attacks today failed catastrophically. This conflict has been WWI’ified where the only way to take territory is to use “bite and chew” tactics; which appear to be all either army is capable of carrying out anyway.

  14. @Yahya
    Roman phenotypes:

    https://twitter.com/updatingonrome/status/1610086843889983489?s=61&t=4nX6Z_wpQfsu6CmqDCXHZA

    Replies: @Greasy William

    the statue on the bottom right looks like Ron DeSantis

    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
    @Greasy William

    Any future statue of Ron Desantis will be in Israel, he will be kneeling before a Rabbi while felating him.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  15. Anatoly Karlin ostensibly advocates in favor of open borders but doesn’t believe that Kyrgyz and Tajiks (people who have lived in the same country as Russians for 100+ years) are capable of successfully integrating into Russian society:

    https://www.sotwe.com/powerfultakes?lang=en

    Younger Tajiks and Kyrgyz more enthusiastic about wife beating than the middle aged; in many cases, deSovietization was also a decivilizing process. Also probably not a good sign for near-term prospects of Tajik integration within Russia (many new citizens in recent years).

    How exactly the open borders experiment is supposed to work with such logic is a total mystery to me.

    Also, just because some or even many intellectuals support something does not mean that this thing is inevitable. Some or even many Western intellectuals supported Communism during the 20th century, no? And yet by and large (East Germany is an exception to the general trend/rule here, and was itself only the result of Soviet troops staying there for almost half a century) Communists never actually came to power in the West. So, if Communism in the West was not inevitable, why exactly should we assume that open borders is inevitable? Especially in light of the obvious problems that it poses, such as higher crime rates and people getting murdered for Islamophobic speech?

  16. @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    the statue on the bottom right looks like Ron DeSantis

    Replies: @Joe Paluka

    Any future statue of Ron Desantis will be in Israel, he will be kneeling before a Rabbi while felating him.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Joe Paluka

    Judaism doesn't allow homosexual acts.

    Meatball Ron's future is in some think tank making an obscene amount of money for the way he took one for the team by launching this suicide run for the Presidency

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ, @Joe Paluka

  17. @Joe Paluka
    @Greasy William

    Any future statue of Ron Desantis will be in Israel, he will be kneeling before a Rabbi while felating him.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Judaism doesn’t allow homosexual acts.

    Meatball Ron’s future is in some think tank making an obscene amount of money for the way he took one for the team by launching this suicide run for the Presidency

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William


    Meatball Ron’s future is in some think tank making an obscene amount of money for the way he took one for the team by launching this suicide run for the Presidency
     
    I keep hoping it is all a trick and he is going to endorse Trump after draining establishment coffers.

    Alas, you are probably correct. DeSantis looks more like a Ukie Maximalist tool every day.

     

    Polling -- Part II -- Florida Primary

    Are all polls bad? No.

    For example, the Sunshine State Battleground poll (Rich Baris/Big Data Polling) is:
        -- An independent source
        -- Asking better questions

    It shares the RV/LV limitation. However, that distinction is less relevant to primaries. The underlying data is available here.(1)

     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Florida-Trump-vs-DeSantis-.jpg
     

    The result is grim for anti-MAGA candidate DeSantis. (2)

    Now you know exactly why Florida Governor Ron DeSantis had to launch without any public appearances in his home state, and run away from the state of Florida immediately thereafter. This doesn’t take any commentary to understand.

    President Trump is beating Ron DeSantis in the state that knows the Florida Governor best.

           Trump 52.5%, DeSantis 32.6%.

    This should be embarrassing for Ron and Jill ‘Casey’ DeSantis, but their hubris will just ignore it.
     
    DeRINO is the establishment's #1 shot to defeat MAGA. And, they know it is not working. One can be sure that the emotionally distraught #NeverTrump cultists will come up with outbursts and intentionally flawed statistics in an desperate attempt to refute reality.

    The bottom line is that Republican voters want MAGA, not establishment friendly DeSantis.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1)
    https://application.marketsight.com/app/ItemView.aspx?SharedFor=public%40bigdatapoll.com&SharedBy=34090&id=80b29036-177d-4c5e-ac48-b016001eb1e9

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/06/03/big-data-poll-president-trump-crushing-governor-desantis-by-20-points-in-florida-after-home-state-campaign-launch/
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William


    Judaism doesn’t allow homosexual acts.
     
    Depends which Judaism lol:

    https://forward.com/news/371280/how-rabbis-are-trying-to-make-the-conservative-movement-more-gay-friendly/

    "Your relationships and marriages are all cool, but please don't poke each other in the butt lol! Even though we allow opposite-sex couples and lesbians (strap-ons) to poke each other in the butts lol!"

    From Anatoly Crimeus* Karlin (Anatoly Krym* Karlin):

    Translated from trollspeak, the basic point is that the opinions of smart people are almost always correct, and even when they are wrong on the details (e.g. the more lurid prewar Western media tropes on Russia; race differences in IQ), they are correct on the generalities (e.g.…
     
    I guess that this means that Russia should not have tried to reintegrate Ukraine because both Russia's and Ukraine's cognitive elites were more hostile towards this idea than Russian and Ukrainian proles were, right?

    *Technically Krym translates to Crimea, but Krym is masculine while Crimea is feminine, hence Crimeus instead. I will begin referring to him as such due to his past Russian nationalism lol.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Joe Paluka
    @Greasy William

    Maybe so, but Tel Aviv is considered to be one of the most gay friendly cities in the world.

    https://theculturetrip.com/middle-east/israel/articles/why-tel-aviv-is-one-of-the-most-lgbt-friendly-cities-in-the-world/

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/israel-is-the-gayest-country-on-earth/

    Replies: @Greasy William

  18. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @Joe Paluka

    Judaism doesn't allow homosexual acts.

    Meatball Ron's future is in some think tank making an obscene amount of money for the way he took one for the team by launching this suicide run for the Presidency

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ, @Joe Paluka

    Meatball Ron’s future is in some think tank making an obscene amount of money for the way he took one for the team by launching this suicide run for the Presidency

    I keep hoping it is all a trick and he is going to endorse Trump after draining establishment coffers.

    Alas, you are probably correct. DeSantis looks more like a Ukie Maximalist tool every day.

    Polling — Part II — Florida Primary

    Are all polls bad? No.

    For example, the Sunshine State Battleground poll (Rich Baris/Big Data Polling) is:
        — An independent source
        — Asking better questions

    It shares the RV/LV limitation. However, that distinction is less relevant to primaries. The underlying data is available here.(1)

     

     

    The result is grim for anti-MAGA candidate DeSantis. (2)

    Now you know exactly why Florida Governor Ron DeSantis had to launch without any public appearances in his home state, and run away from the state of Florida immediately thereafter. This doesn’t take any commentary to understand.

    President Trump is beating Ron DeSantis in the state that knows the Florida Governor best.

           Trump 52.5%, DeSantis 32.6%.

    This should be embarrassing for Ron and Jill ‘Casey’ DeSantis, but their hubris will just ignore it.

    DeRINO is the establishment’s #1 shot to defeat MAGA. And, they know it is not working. One can be sure that the emotionally distraught #NeverTrump cultists will come up with outbursts and intentionally flawed statistics in an desperate attempt to refute reality.

    The bottom line is that Republican voters want MAGA, not establishment friendly DeSantis.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1)
    https://application.marketsight.com/app/ItemView.aspx?SharedFor=public%40bigdatapoll.com&SharedBy=34090&id=80b29036-177d-4c5e-ac48-b016001eb1e9

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/06/03/big-data-poll-president-trump-crushing-governor-desantis-by-20-points-in-florida-after-home-state-campaign-launch/

  19. What’s interesting is just how much Ukrainian attitudes on NATO have shifted since 2008-2009, which was just 14-15 years ago:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/127094/ukrainians-likely-support-move-away-nato.aspx

    Even by ex-USSR standards, Ukrainians back then were extraordinarily hostile towards NATO:

    This slightly changed by 2013 but not by too much:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/167927/crisis-ukrainians-likely-nato-threat.aspx

    This is why Ukrainian NATO membership back in 2008 was unrealistic.

    FWIW, in 2013, the EU was more popular than NATO in central Ukraine:

    • Replies: @Derer
    @Mr. XYZ

    The actual data of every poll is kept secret and not audited by a neural body. For a simple reason, it is concocted and fake. That is why election polls are usually wrong (a la Kilary is ahead of Trump).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  20. So the debt ceiling has not only been raised but its now the “sky is the limit!”

    This movement by the corporate congress bodes of dark times ahead in the world, why do you need limitless cash? I can only think of two, you either want to collapse the system or you are going to war.

    Both situations only mean a lot of us are going to die for the one percentage point.

    You don’t fight you lose!

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr_Chow_Mein


    Davos, Switzerland, 23 May 2022—A new report from the Deloitte Center for Sustainable Progress (DCSP) released today during the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting indicates that—if left unchecked—climate change could cost the global economy US$178 trillion over the next 50 years, or a 7.6% cut to global gross domestic product (GDP) in the year 2070 alone. If global warming reaches around 3°C toward the century’s end, the toll on human lives could be significant—disproportionately impacting the most vulnerable and leading to loss of productivity and employment, food and water scarcity, worsening health and well-being, and ushering in an overall lower standard of living globally.

    Deloitte’s Global Turning Point Report is based on research conducted by the Deloitte Economics Institute. The report analyzed 15 geographies in Asia Pacific, Europe, and the Americas, and found that if global leaders unite in a systemic net-zero transition, the global economy could see new five-decade gains of US$43 trillion—a boost to global GDP of 3.8% in 2070.
     
    https://www.deloitte.com/an/en/about/press-room/deloitte-research-reveals-inaction-on-climate-change-could-cost-the-world-economy-us-dollar-178-trillion-by-2070.html

    $125 trillion of climate investment is needed by 2050 to meet net zero, with investment from now until 2025 needing to triple compared to the last five years to put the world on track.

    By 2030, however, up to four-fifths of decarbonization technology investments could be better value than conventional, emissions-intensive alternatives.

    Delivering investment on this scale is possible but will require increased action across private investors, as well as commensurate public ambition to enable and support them through policy and public investment.
     
    https://climatechampions.unfccc.int/whats-the-cost-of-net-zero-2/

    In economic terms, spending on physical assets on the course to net-zero would reach about US$275 trillion by 2050, or US$9.2 trillion per year on average, an annual increase of US$3.5 trillion. To put it in comparable terms, the US$3.5 trillion increase is equivalent to about half of global corporate profits, one-quarter of total tax revenue, and 7 percent of household spending.
     
    https://www.mckinsey.com/mgi/overview/in-the-news/what-it-will-cost-to-get-to-net-zero

    Replies: @Mr_Chow_Mein

  21. From Anatoly Karlin:

    Morality is defined by wherever elite human capital is trending, and the sooner you make your peace with that, the happier you will be. 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🥦🏴🌐

    Indeed, unless one makes a grift of resisting or lampooning it (that’s fine), it’s otherwise profitable to actively front-run it. 💯

    So, Communism was moral back when elite human capital supported it?

    Elite human capital opposes r*ghtoids of all flavors, that includes American/Western Supremacism.

    Plenty of Leftists are also Western Supremacists, at least insofar as Western Supremacism means supporting Ukraine against Russia and also EU and possibly NATO expansion into Ukraine. Supporting Ukraine in its war against Russia means supporting a larger, more powerful, and more influential West, after all.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ


    Plenty of Leftists are also Western Supremacists, at least insofar as Western Supremacism means supporting Ukraine against Russia and also EU and possibly NATO expansion into Ukraine. Supporting Ukraine in its war against Russia means supporting a larger, more powerful, and more influential West, after all.
     
    Though maybe one can argue that wanting a larger West is not Western Supremacism per se if one opposes Western imperialism (in addition to opposing Russian, Chinese, et cetera imperialism as well).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Coconuts
    @Mr. XYZ

    Perhaps AK is still an adherent of 'Italian Elite Theory'. It has been trending in a modest way among NRx dissident rightoids for some time. History is the history of the circulation of elites; the masses are disorganised and passive, acting on purely emotive impulses until they are organised and formed by some elite.

    Italian elite theory has some amoral and Nietzschean (Machiavellian?) flavour but was produced by more systematic thinkers.

    In some way evoking it against rightoids is like criticising them for not being sophisticated enough and being limited in their reading or podcast playlists?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @AaronB
    @Mr. XYZ

    He's just articulating the nihilistic logic of secularism and atheism. He should be applauded for being honest about it. Dmitry would say the exact same thing if he had more honesty and courage - it's the implicit background of everything he writes.

    Karlin is playing a Nietzsche-like role, in that he's "lifting the lid" so to speak on modern middle class culture and peering inside, saying aloud what is supposed to be hush hush.

    This kind of thinking stretches back to the Middle Ages and ushered in the modern period, the idea that the good isn't intrinsic but just whatever God happens to wants - the elites playing the role of God for Karlin, of course. It's basically the worship of Power.

    Even though it seems like Karlin has changed, he's never claimed to have any principle other than Power. Many immature people make the mistake of thinking hyper-macho posturing is power, when it is a sign of decadence, so his initial support for Russia was unsurprising. But Karlin was honest enough to learn that macho posturing indicates weakness and change course. Many people still think Macho Islam or someone like Sher Singh represent power rather than decadence, and never advance beyond that.

    But Karlin has remained consistent throughout his morphology and has always worshipped the same principle wherever he felt it was best expressed.

    I'm actually super impressed with how honest and consistent Karlin is willing to be, without any of the hypocrisies or compromises or incoherencies and r halfway-houses of most secular atheists, and I'm curious where his journey will take him personally. He's willing to follow the logic of modernity to the end.

    As a society, I think the nihilistic worship of Power is leading to self-destruction, and I wonder if Karlin will save himself from the shipwreck or go down with the boat.

    A curious case, Karlin, and I'll continue watching.

  22. @Mr_Chow_Mein
    So the debt ceiling has not only been raised but its now the "sky is the limit!"

    This movement by the corporate congress bodes of dark times ahead in the world, why do you need limitless cash? I can only think of two, you either want to collapse the system or you are going to war.

    Both situations only mean a lot of us are going to die for the one percentage point.

    You don't fight you lose!

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Davos, Switzerland, 23 May 2022—A new report from the Deloitte Center for Sustainable Progress (DCSP) released today during the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting indicates that—if left unchecked—climate change could cost the global economy US$178 trillion over the next 50 years, or a 7.6% cut to global gross domestic product (GDP) in the year 2070 alone. If global warming reaches around 3°C toward the century’s end, the toll on human lives could be significant—disproportionately impacting the most vulnerable and leading to loss of productivity and employment, food and water scarcity, worsening health and well-being, and ushering in an overall lower standard of living globally.

    Deloitte’s Global Turning Point Report is based on research conducted by the Deloitte Economics Institute. The report analyzed 15 geographies in Asia Pacific, Europe, and the Americas, and found that if global leaders unite in a systemic net-zero transition, the global economy could see new five-decade gains of US$43 trillion—a boost to global GDP of 3.8% in 2070.

    https://www.deloitte.com/an/en/about/press-room/deloitte-research-reveals-inaction-on-climate-change-could-cost-the-world-economy-us-dollar-178-trillion-by-2070.html

    $125 trillion of climate investment is needed by 2050 to meet net zero, with investment from now until 2025 needing to triple compared to the last five years to put the world on track.

    By 2030, however, up to four-fifths of decarbonization technology investments could be better value than conventional, emissions-intensive alternatives.

    Delivering investment on this scale is possible but will require increased action across private investors, as well as commensurate public ambition to enable and support them through policy and public investment.

    https://climatechampions.unfccc.int/whats-the-cost-of-net-zero-2/

    In economic terms, spending on physical assets on the course to net-zero would reach about US$275 trillion by 2050, or US$9.2 trillion per year on average, an annual increase of US$3.5 trillion. To put it in comparable terms, the US$3.5 trillion increase is equivalent to about half of global corporate profits, one-quarter of total tax revenue, and 7 percent of household spending.

    https://www.mckinsey.com/mgi/overview/in-the-news/what-it-will-cost-to-get-to-net-zero

    • Replies: @Mr_Chow_Mein
    @Ivashka the fool

    Interest rates in the West are heading north, Germany is in recession, last time there was a collapse into recession then depression we had world war.

    This is no accident, the scamdemic was no accident, the pathway is clear we are heading for war for the one percentage point.

  23. @Mr. XYZ
    From Anatoly Karlin:

    Morality is defined by wherever elite human capital is trending, and the sooner you make your peace with that, the happier you will be. 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🥦🏴🌐

    Indeed, unless one makes a grift of resisting or lampooning it (that's fine), it's otherwise profitable to actively front-run it. 💯

     

    So, Communism was moral back when elite human capital supported it?

    Elite human capital opposes r*ghtoids of all flavors, that includes American/Western Supremacism.
     
    Plenty of Leftists are also Western Supremacists, at least insofar as Western Supremacism means supporting Ukraine against Russia and also EU and possibly NATO expansion into Ukraine. Supporting Ukraine in its war against Russia means supporting a larger, more powerful, and more influential West, after all.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts, @AaronB

    Plenty of Leftists are also Western Supremacists, at least insofar as Western Supremacism means supporting Ukraine against Russia and also EU and possibly NATO expansion into Ukraine. Supporting Ukraine in its war against Russia means supporting a larger, more powerful, and more influential West, after all.

    Though maybe one can argue that wanting a larger West is not Western Supremacism per se if one opposes Western imperialism (in addition to opposing Russian, Chinese, et cetera imperialism as well).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    To be honest, I don't think postsoviet border conflict between Russia and Ukraine is so important globally.

    There is historical legacy of the Cold War which is influencing the media and geopolitical hype of the war. This is a lot of marketing hype though. Especially, Putin invested a lot of money to marketing and media trolling.

    But we shouldn't confuse marketing hype with the real history. Globally, in the balance of power, possibly it could be more like a category of Iran-Iraq war in 1980s history.

    -

    Ukraine going into EU will possibly weaken and downgrade the EU's average level of development, but it's a good opportunity for Ukraine to develop, so the net balance for the EU's power might be similar after than before.

    However, even Ukraine as quite large country developing, is probably not significant in the global view. It would just be like 2 times version of Romania, in the best opportunity of following Romania which has the most rapid development in the EU.

    Russia is only slightly larger than Spain economically, but shared with three times more population, so the influence of isolation will not be so negative for the world's economy.

    The questions for the future of the century, seem more questions like how countries like China and India will develop. Do you think China could have a cultural renaissance in the 2050s? Will India industrialize?

    Replies: @AaronB, @Mr. XYZ

  24. I found some interesting information about the total fertility rate in Israel which is falling.

    Total fertility rate is a very primitive and inaccurate model of fertility rate,* but it is popular as a primitive kind of early prediction of fertility rate.

    The most recent data is for 2020, but it is released only in 2022. Total fertility rate falls to 2,9 children per women.

    The highest fertility rates are Bedouin Arab women and Haredi women.

    Total Jewish women – 3,01
    Total Arab women (including Arab Christians) – 2,82

    Unclassified women – 1,35 (mostly Russian-speakers i.e. postsoviet Jews)
    Muslim Arab women – 2,99

    Average age of first birth for Muslim women – 24,5 years old
    Average age of first birth for Jewish women – 30,5 years old

    Women in the highest rating socio-economicaly – 1,95 (high proportion would be wealthy American immigrants)
    Women in the lowest rating socio-economicaly – 5,36 (high proportion will be Bedouin)


    Interpretation?

    The demographics in Israel could be more Bedouin and Haredi in the future. But the overall balance between Jews and Muslims might not be changing so much.

    Arab Christians and Russian-speakers have the highest school results in Israel and lowest fertility rates, so there is some Rorschach test for journalists’ interpretations. E.g. maybe Arab Christians have the highest academic results in Israel partly, because they have smaller families.

    Postsoviet Jews or Jewish roots peoples’ low fertility rates probably doesn’t need much explanation, it is the same as national level the origin countries.

    *It tries to predict the fertility rate will be if the risk of having a children for the women according to the age-specific fertility rates would be constant across time, measured at rates of the specific year.

    It doesn’t reflect what would be the fertility rate of any real women, as the real woman is not moving through the age-specific fertility rates of one particular year (unless she would be a type of time-traveler).

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Dmitry

    The Israeli left spergs non stop about the haredi birthrate and yet never says anything about the Arab Islamic birthrate. The latter group is bigger and more hostile to the state than the haredi are. If the Haredim are a demographic threat to the state, then so are the Arab Muslims. Yet the Israel left never says a word about them.

    The Israeli left may be even more odious than the Western left. At least the Western left owns that they are a bunch of worthless cosmopolitans, the Israeli left actually attempts to use Judaism itself to attack the haredim. And they had no problem allying with the haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers. Awful people.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry, @Yevardian

  25. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ


    Plenty of Leftists are also Western Supremacists, at least insofar as Western Supremacism means supporting Ukraine against Russia and also EU and possibly NATO expansion into Ukraine. Supporting Ukraine in its war against Russia means supporting a larger, more powerful, and more influential West, after all.
     
    Though maybe one can argue that wanting a larger West is not Western Supremacism per se if one opposes Western imperialism (in addition to opposing Russian, Chinese, et cetera imperialism as well).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    To be honest, I don’t think postsoviet border conflict between Russia and Ukraine is so important globally.

    There is historical legacy of the Cold War which is influencing the media and geopolitical hype of the war. This is a lot of marketing hype though. Especially, Putin invested a lot of money to marketing and media trolling.

    But we shouldn’t confuse marketing hype with the real history. Globally, in the balance of power, possibly it could be more like a category of Iran-Iraq war in 1980s history.

    Ukraine going into EU will possibly weaken and downgrade the EU’s average level of development, but it’s a good opportunity for Ukraine to develop, so the net balance for the EU’s power might be similar after than before.

    However, even Ukraine as quite large country developing, is probably not significant in the global view. It would just be like 2 times version of Romania, in the best opportunity of following Romania which has the most rapid development in the EU.

    Russia is only slightly larger than Spain economically, but shared with three times more population, so the influence of isolation will not be so negative for the world’s economy.

    The questions for the future of the century, seem more questions like how countries like China and India will develop. Do you think China could have a cultural renaissance in the 2050s? Will India industrialize?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    There are two countries today that have historically made monumental and unique contributions to world culture, Iran and China, but under their current configurations and under their current regimes are obviously incapable of producing anything of cultural significance.

    By 2050 it's entirely possible that the current Chinese regime, which is Legalist, will be replaced by a regime more inspired by the philosophy traditionally associated with cultural efflorescence in China, as in the Tang period - I mean, of course, Taoism.

    Nothing good ever comes from China unless China is under significant Taoist influence, and traditionally Legalist regimes are the shortest lasting and the most culturally sterile, for obvious reasons, and China's current Legalist regime shows signs of serious strain, as is inevitable when you try and suppress the human spirit.

    It will be fascinating to see how the Chinese develop in new directions the most fruitful aspects of their traditional culture, when finally given the chance to resume their old ways again, and it will be a great benefit to the entire world.

    As for Iran, here is a passage from one of my favorite travel writer's recent book, the wonderful Pico Iyer -


    Yet many of Iran’s citizens were still known for the remarkably refined and sensuous versions of an earthly paradise they fashioned behind closed doors.

    The turbaned clerics, as they saw it, were ruthless politicians pursuing worldly ends under the guise of religion; the only pleasures that could be enjoyed in such a system lay in romance and intoxicants, the latest luxuries from abroad.

    And both secular and religious souls, confoundingly, continued to turn for support to the Sufi poems that Iranian schoolchildren, to this day, learn by heart.

    Those mystical verses traffic in the language of the everyday—roses and nightingales and wine—if only to evoke a far deeper romance with the divine. Turning wordlessly in circles, Islamic dervishes incarnate a truth beyond doctrine and analysis.
     

    We forget how many of Islam's greatest poets and Sufis were Persian, Rumi, Hafiz, etc.

    A country with such people still has an interesting cultural future ahead of it, even if it currently languishes under a sterile tyranny.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Yahya, @songbird

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Incorporating Ukraine into the EU will weaken the EU in the short-run but probably strengthen the EU in the long-run due to greater economies of scale. And of course the EU would become a bit more nationalistic with Ukraine included in it.

    Russia's economy is Germany's size in PPP terms. And I hope that a reformed post-Putin Russia would eventually itself seek to join the EU. Though it would have to come to terms with its guilt for the Ukraine War and pay reparations to Ukraine beforehand, along with likely reducing its level of corruption down to Polish levels.

    China already exports some of its culture. Netflix has some Chinese animated and 3D shows even right now, for instance. And Yes, I don't see why exactly India wouldn't continue to industrialize. I expect India to ultimately converge to Bulgaria's or Romania's level of development. But this would likely be by the end of the 21st century, unless of course AI will massively speed up the process for India.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  26. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    To be honest, I don't think postsoviet border conflict between Russia and Ukraine is so important globally.

    There is historical legacy of the Cold War which is influencing the media and geopolitical hype of the war. This is a lot of marketing hype though. Especially, Putin invested a lot of money to marketing and media trolling.

    But we shouldn't confuse marketing hype with the real history. Globally, in the balance of power, possibly it could be more like a category of Iran-Iraq war in 1980s history.

    -

    Ukraine going into EU will possibly weaken and downgrade the EU's average level of development, but it's a good opportunity for Ukraine to develop, so the net balance for the EU's power might be similar after than before.

    However, even Ukraine as quite large country developing, is probably not significant in the global view. It would just be like 2 times version of Romania, in the best opportunity of following Romania which has the most rapid development in the EU.

    Russia is only slightly larger than Spain economically, but shared with three times more population, so the influence of isolation will not be so negative for the world's economy.

    The questions for the future of the century, seem more questions like how countries like China and India will develop. Do you think China could have a cultural renaissance in the 2050s? Will India industrialize?

    Replies: @AaronB, @Mr. XYZ

    There are two countries today that have historically made monumental and unique contributions to world culture, Iran and China, but under their current configurations and under their current regimes are obviously incapable of producing anything of cultural significance.

    By 2050 it’s entirely possible that the current Chinese regime, which is Legalist, will be replaced by a regime more inspired by the philosophy traditionally associated with cultural efflorescence in China, as in the Tang period – I mean, of course, Taoism.

    Nothing good ever comes from China unless China is under significant Taoist influence, and traditionally Legalist regimes are the shortest lasting and the most culturally sterile, for obvious reasons, and China’s current Legalist regime shows signs of serious strain, as is inevitable when you try and suppress the human spirit.

    It will be fascinating to see how the Chinese develop in new directions the most fruitful aspects of their traditional culture, when finally given the chance to resume their old ways again, and it will be a great benefit to the entire world.

    As for Iran, here is a passage from one of my favorite travel writer’s recent book, the wonderful Pico Iyer –

    Yet many of Iran’s citizens were still known for the remarkably refined and sensuous versions of an earthly paradise they fashioned behind closed doors.

    The turbaned clerics, as they saw it, were ruthless politicians pursuing worldly ends under the guise of religion; the only pleasures that could be enjoyed in such a system lay in romance and intoxicants, the latest luxuries from abroad.

    And both secular and religious souls, confoundingly, continued to turn for support to the Sufi poems that Iranian schoolchildren, to this day, learn by heart.

    Those mystical verses traffic in the language of the everyday—roses and nightingales and wine—if only to evoke a far deeper romance with the divine. Turning wordlessly in circles, Islamic dervishes incarnate a truth beyond doctrine and analysis.

    We forget how many of Islam’s greatest poets and Sufis were Persian, Rumi, Hafiz, etc.

    A country with such people still has an interesting cultural future ahead of it, even if it currently languishes under a sterile tyranny.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AaronB

    The problem with Iran is in their DNA, not their system of government. Junk people produce junk societies.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Old Brown Fool, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Yahya
    @AaronB


    Iran and China, but under their current configurations and under their current regimes are obviously incapable of producing anything of cultural significance.
     
    Exaggerate much?

    I think this statement is a mere reflection of your political bias.

    Iran has produced some worthy cultural goods over the previous half-century.

    https://youtu.be/58Onuy5USTc

    ——

    https://youtu.be/LcU3UsJD-0Y

    ——

    https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Owl-Sadegh-Hedayat/dp/0802144284


    It could’ve been higher under a monarchic or democratic counterfactual, but that’s not to say nothing was produced.

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @songbird
    @AaronB


    There are two countries today that have historically made monumental and unique contributions to world culture, Iran and China, but under their current configurations and under their current regimes are obviously incapable of producing anything of cultural significance
     
    .
    Have you sampled much Iranian culture?

    Except for the fact that it was very schmaltzy, I though "Children of Heaven" (1997) had an interesting anti-materialist message. Still the only Iranian movie I've seen.

    Replies: @AaronB

  27. @Dmitry
    I found some interesting information about the total fertility rate in Israel which is falling.

    Total fertility rate is a very primitive and inaccurate model of fertility rate,* but it is popular as a primitive kind of early prediction of fertility rate.

    The most recent data is for 2020, but it is released only in 2022. Total fertility rate falls to 2,9 children per women.

    The highest fertility rates are Bedouin Arab women and Haredi women.

    Total Jewish women - 3,01
    Total Arab women (including Arab Christians) - 2,82

    Unclassified women - 1,35 (mostly Russian-speakers i.e. postsoviet Jews)
    Muslim Arab women - 2,99

    Average age of first birth for Muslim women - 24,5 years old
    Average age of first birth for Jewish women - 30,5 years old

    Women in the highest rating socio-economicaly - 1,95 (high proportion would be wealthy American immigrants)
    Women in the lowest rating socio-economicaly - 5,36 (high proportion will be Bedouin)

    -
    Interpretation?

    The demographics in Israel could be more Bedouin and Haredi in the future. But the overall balance between Jews and Muslims might not be changing so much.

    Arab Christians and Russian-speakers have the highest school results in Israel and lowest fertility rates, so there is some Rorschach test for journalists' interpretations. E.g. maybe Arab Christians have the highest academic results in Israel partly, because they have smaller families.

    Postsoviet Jews or Jewish roots peoples' low fertility rates probably doesn't need much explanation, it is the same as national level the origin countries.


    -

    *It tries to predict the fertility rate will be if the risk of having a children for the women according to the age-specific fertility rates would be constant across time, measured at rates of the specific year.

    It doesn’t reflect what would be the fertility rate of any real women, as the real woman is not moving through the age-specific fertility rates of one particular year (unless she would be a type of time-traveler).

    Replies: @Greasy William

    The Israeli left spergs non stop about the haredi birthrate and yet never says anything about the Arab Islamic birthrate. The latter group is bigger and more hostile to the state than the haredi are. If the Haredim are a demographic threat to the state, then so are the Arab Muslims. Yet the Israel left never says a word about them.

    The Israeli left may be even more odious than the Western left. At least the Western left owns that they are a bunch of worthless cosmopolitans, the Israeli left actually attempts to use Judaism itself to attack the haredim. And they had no problem allying with the haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers. Awful people.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Greasy William

    Haredis come across as quite parasitical (dodging military service, devoting themselves to useless, obscurantist studies). Maybe it would be a solution, if the state confiscated their every 2nd child and educated them as productive citizens.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William

    In 2021, Israeli Jews actually had a *higher* TFR than Israeli Muslims had:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

    Israeli Muslims aren't a demographic threat any longer. The Haredim, though, very much are, specifically due to their lack of economic and military usefulness combined with their bigotry.

    , @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    Israeli peoples' fear of Haredim (people with big hats) and National Religious (people with small hats), is not exactly completely illogical or unjustified.

    Haredi men and Muslim women have the lowest employment rate in Israel. Haredim and Muslims have similar dysfunctional policies like high inbreeding rates.

    In proportional representation government, Haredi politicians extract a lot of things which damage the population, like closing of the public transport for Friday, which has negative effects for everyone.

    They also damage the country's budget, with funding for incorrect religious studies and mythologies. A lot of the Haredim hate Israel and some groups burn the flag.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwVFZiPTE9g


    -

    When the political extracting fails, the population can be often disobedient and cause a problem for local authorities.

    On the other hand, Haredim are real pacifists (except to their own community), which have low crime. They create very safe areas, with a nice atmosphere. So, in small numbers, they are good neighbors.

    You can't say they are completely negative community. But the effect, of large numbers, is untested.

    Many Arab areas in Israel have high crime, dysfunction and sometimes contribution to the jihadist terrorism. But the higher crime in the Arab areas is also because the underinvestment in the Arab community, by Israel. So, there is not a simple history, with only one side responsible.

    Bedouin areas of Israel with the fertility rates of 8 children per women, are also rapidly destroying their own ecology and not sustainable. The Bedouin would need to choose between the ecology which depends for traditional life, or the 8 children per women.


    Israeli left spergs non stop about the haredi birthrate

     

    Which "Israeli left"? Secular people who pay the taxes, are joining the army for combat units, who pay tuition fee for university, who sometimes logically say they are carrying the country?

    Immigrants in Israel receive free university, after avoiding the army. Arabs receive a lot of affirmative action scholarships after avoiding the army. Haredim have free money from the government for their own incorrect studies. But the local Israelis have to pay the complete cost for university, even after they were working in the army for free.


    haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers

     

    Who "wage their war on the settlers"? Some of the settlements extract disproportionately large part of the budget, while some of the small hats are operating Messianic cults which is remind of Mormons.

    A lot of Israel (not just Arab areas) is very underinvested in terms of the infrastructure and housing. But then there are some of the small hats' settlements with American style of infrastructure, swimming pools etc.

    It's partly indication of state capture by messianic cults, which can be more organized than the normal citizens.

    These are not internationally recognized land of Israel. So in the long term part of this will be lost investment, as even after land swaps the parts of the settlements would need to be evacuated, like in 1982 and 2005.

    This is part of the problem of the proportional representation democracy. If there are highly motivated cult groups, they use coalition government to hijack for their lifestyle which has superficial rational appearance, but a disguise for messianic cults.

    So, they are friendly middle class communities, with "good people" "patriotic values". They don't have dysfunctional lifestyle and seem healthy in many ways. They have positive values, like the community strength, care for the disabled people etc.

    But the location of their lifestyle can be selfish, irresponsible. In the long term, it can be political disaster for the country.

    -

    Settlements in Israel often like the Moscow of infrastructure. You know there is something strange, when they have clean streets, large villages, swimming pools. And by comparison, hard working area of Israel is decaying with underinvestment and small apartments.

    Then even secular institutions in the West Bank, can be like crazy multi-billion dollar investments. They then use billion dollars West Bank universities to educate the Palestinians in the internationally non-recognized territory.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqSI7AjPWfM

    While the same country with these multi-billion dollar investments in legally not accepted land, cannot pay for the earthquake retrofitting of the core population in land they own.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Yevardian
    @Greasy William


    And they had no problem allying with the haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers. Awful people.
     
    Congratulations, you have reached A123 levels of retarded, uncritical Israel-worship.

    "War on the settlers" ....LOL, those poor innocent settlers squatting on the outskirts of decrepit old Arab villages, burning olive groves and engaging in price-tag attacks, showing nothing but contempt for the elected Israeli government and then calling in the IDF to (mostly unwillingly) to tear-gas and strip-search their neighbors when a few children start throwing rocks.

    Although, if you had ever bothered to try understanding Israeli society, you'd quickly understand why the settlers are a huge problem and total cancer on their body-politic, even from the perspective of thinking Israeli nationalists. Or at least it was, Avigdor Lieberman (for his many flaws and subsequent downfall) was an example of this hardnosed-but-commonsense attitude.
    Since true scum of the earth Naftali Bennet got elected to state leadership a few years ago it was just too much and I gave up on Israeli society generally, I couldn't even read about it anymore. Settlers are the future there.

    Under ordinary circumstances, regular Israelis would rather have nothing to do with the occupied territories, stay behind their 'Security Wall' and leave it at that, its the settlers and their incessant chimpouts and provocations that make it an unending domestic and international headache.

    But I will leave this topic to Dmitry, I'm uncertain you're worth arguing with on this.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

  28. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    There are two countries today that have historically made monumental and unique contributions to world culture, Iran and China, but under their current configurations and under their current regimes are obviously incapable of producing anything of cultural significance.

    By 2050 it's entirely possible that the current Chinese regime, which is Legalist, will be replaced by a regime more inspired by the philosophy traditionally associated with cultural efflorescence in China, as in the Tang period - I mean, of course, Taoism.

    Nothing good ever comes from China unless China is under significant Taoist influence, and traditionally Legalist regimes are the shortest lasting and the most culturally sterile, for obvious reasons, and China's current Legalist regime shows signs of serious strain, as is inevitable when you try and suppress the human spirit.

    It will be fascinating to see how the Chinese develop in new directions the most fruitful aspects of their traditional culture, when finally given the chance to resume their old ways again, and it will be a great benefit to the entire world.

    As for Iran, here is a passage from one of my favorite travel writer's recent book, the wonderful Pico Iyer -


    Yet many of Iran’s citizens were still known for the remarkably refined and sensuous versions of an earthly paradise they fashioned behind closed doors.

    The turbaned clerics, as they saw it, were ruthless politicians pursuing worldly ends under the guise of religion; the only pleasures that could be enjoyed in such a system lay in romance and intoxicants, the latest luxuries from abroad.

    And both secular and religious souls, confoundingly, continued to turn for support to the Sufi poems that Iranian schoolchildren, to this day, learn by heart.

    Those mystical verses traffic in the language of the everyday—roses and nightingales and wine—if only to evoke a far deeper romance with the divine. Turning wordlessly in circles, Islamic dervishes incarnate a truth beyond doctrine and analysis.
     

    We forget how many of Islam's greatest poets and Sufis were Persian, Rumi, Hafiz, etc.

    A country with such people still has an interesting cultural future ahead of it, even if it currently languishes under a sterile tyranny.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Yahya, @songbird

    The problem with Iran is in their DNA, not their system of government. Junk people produce junk societies.

    • Disagree: AaronB
    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Greasy William

    I don't think the problem with Iran is just the government, I'm not an Enlightenment institutional determinist like our good Dmitry, but I'm even less a genetic determinist - I'm not really any kind of determinist, I believe in personal agency and spiritual freedom, having overcome modernity in myself.

    The problem with China and Iran is the same problem with everywhere in the world these days, the wrong priorities and values - the problem is spiritual and one of personal agency.

    A place does not become like China or Iran unless it is deeply spiritually corrupt, and has willingly adopted the wrong priorities. But then the same can be said of America and Europe.

    So who will change first? My guess is America, one of the epicenters of the disease.

    , @Old Brown Fool
    @Greasy William

    Iranians are also Aryans. Just reminding.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William


    Cyrus the Great was the founder of the Achaemenid Empire and king of Persia from 559 to 530 BC. He is venerated in the Hebrew Bible as Cyrus the Messiah for conquering Babylon and liberating the Jews from captivity.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible

    A number of the Aramaic papyri document the Jewish community among soldiers stationed at Elephantine under Achaemenid rule, 495–399 BCE. The so-called "Passover Letter" of 419 BCE (discovered in 1907), which appears to give instructions for the observance of the Festival of Unleavened Bread (though Passover itself is not mentioned in the extant text), is in the Egyptian Museum of Berlin.

    The standard reference collection of the Aramaic documents from Elephantine is the Textbook of Aramaic Documents from Ancient Egypt.[1]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantine_papyri_and_ostraca

    Translation- Because the papyrus is so fragmentary, the reconstructions offered here should be considered conjectural, especially the italicized portions of text-

    [To my brothers, Ye]daniah and his colleagues the Jewish ga[rrison,] your brother Hanan[i]ah. May God/the gods [seek after] the welfare of my brothers [at all times.] And now, this year, year 5 of King Darius, it has been sent from the king to Arsa[mes ……… …]

    Now, you thus count four[teen days in Nisan and on the 14th at twilight ob]serve [the Passover] and from the 15th day until the 21st day of [Nisan observe the Festival of Unleavened Bread. Seven days eat unleavened bread. Now,] be pure and take heed. [Do] n[ot do] work [on the 15th day and on the 21st day of Nisan.] Do not drink [any fermented drink. And do] not [eat] anything of leaven [nor let it be seen in your houses from the 14th day of Nisan at] sunset until the 21st day of Nisa[n at sunset. And b]ring into your chambers [any leaven which you have in your houses] and seal (them) up during [these] days. …

    [To] my brothers, Yedaniah and his colleagues the Jewish garrison, your brother Hananiah s[on of ??].
     
    https://cojs.org/the_passover_papyrus_from_elephantine-_419_bce/

    There would probably be no Jews left today without the Persian friendly and loving help. Of course nobody expects some gratitude from the Jewish people. When the time is right they always switch sides and do some backstabbing against those who helped and protected them. This is a recurring historical pattern.

    Also, for an anti-American Jew, you are still typically ignorant of the historical context as most Americans are. That makes me think you are just a disgruntled American. Perhaps you should come to terms with your American personality, fuse it harmoniously with your Jewishness, embrace some funny Haredi cult (the Na-nach would do), get married and live a happy life fathering a dozen children and dying a respected patriarch?

    https://youtu.be/gSoMvDJyp0w

    Replies: @silviosilver, @S, @Greasy William

  29. @German_reader
    Already commented on it in the previous thread, Visegrad 24 now celebrating Polish "volunteers" taking part in the raid on Belgorod:
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-219/#comment-5993717

    What's their excuse exactly? Neither from a country that has been attacked by Russia nor Russian "dissidents".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Pixo, @Mikel

    There are volunteers from at least 20 White nations defending Free Christian Europe against Putin’s Islamo-Oriental hordes and prison-recruited rapist-mercenaries.

    Good for them!

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Pixo

    Nafo cretins should be put down like the rabid little dogs they pose as.

    , @Yahya
    @Pixo

    https://youtu.be/U22-B2hy1wA

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Derer
    @Pixo

    What volunteers you pinhead...those are desperate NATO low IQ, homeless recruits. Majority die in an unknown grave.

  30. I am seriously confused by these EE right wingers who are backing Ukraine. I can understand why right wing Ukrainians back their government (even though I personally would enthusiastically collaborate with a Russian invasion of the USA) but why are right wing Poles and Balts supporting Ukraine? Don’t they see that the West is only funding and supplying this war to spread LGBT?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Greasy William

    https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/false_dichotomy_2x.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @Sleep
    @Greasy William

    I think Russia is perceived as the greater enemy. They would rather yield to America's cultural power than to Russia's military power. Put another way .... there are a lot of countries in the world which I would happily give cultural influence over the United States, but I wouldn't want them gaining military or economic influence over the United States, simply because they would have no incentive whatsoever to give any concessions to America.

  31. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Greasy William
    @AaronB

    The problem with Iran is in their DNA, not their system of government. Junk people produce junk societies.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Old Brown Fool, @Ivashka the fool

    I don’t think the problem with Iran is just the government, I’m not an Enlightenment institutional determinist like our good Dmitry, but I’m even less a genetic determinist – I’m not really any kind of determinist, I believe in personal agency and spiritual freedom, having overcome modernity in myself.

    The problem with China and Iran is the same problem with everywhere in the world these days, the wrong priorities and values – the problem is spiritual and one of personal agency.

    A place does not become like China or Iran unless it is deeply spiritually corrupt, and has willingly adopted the wrong priorities. But then the same can be said of America and Europe.

    So who will change first? My guess is America, one of the epicenters of the disease.

  32. Iranians are Amalek. That nation is eternally accursed. That’s why it’s losing all of its water and why Iranians have stopped reproducing. All those hung at Nuremberg were reincarnated Iranians.

    Of course, it’s better not to hate them and we shouldn’t seek war with them (even though it’s inevitable), but there is no point in us denying what they fundamentally are.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Greasy William

    I know you are joking in your usual outre way, Greasy, but Amalek doesn't actually exist, it's just a spiritual allegory, and has traditionally been read that way.

    Don't be a fundamentalist literalist Jew, like some Jewish Protestant :) That's a modern perversion.

    As for Iran, look, I get it, the place is a very dark place right now. Pico Iyer goes on to detail the corrosive paranoia and stifling oppression of modern Iran. All the most rotten people today admire Iran - look at the rest of this website.

    But it's always important to distinguish between the people and their rulers, at least to some extent. And it's always important to take the widest possible historical view and humanistic view.

    Ancient Persia made one of the most crucial contributions to world religion - Zoroastrianism had a huge influence on the Jews, and through them the Christians and Muslims. Persian dualism needed to be qualified and put into a larger context of unity, but it was an important deepening of monotheism.

    And according to Pico Iyer, paradise is a Persian invention. Perhaps, but they certainly made contributions to the development of that seminal concept.

  33. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr_Chow_Mein


    Davos, Switzerland, 23 May 2022—A new report from the Deloitte Center for Sustainable Progress (DCSP) released today during the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting indicates that—if left unchecked—climate change could cost the global economy US$178 trillion over the next 50 years, or a 7.6% cut to global gross domestic product (GDP) in the year 2070 alone. If global warming reaches around 3°C toward the century’s end, the toll on human lives could be significant—disproportionately impacting the most vulnerable and leading to loss of productivity and employment, food and water scarcity, worsening health and well-being, and ushering in an overall lower standard of living globally.

    Deloitte’s Global Turning Point Report is based on research conducted by the Deloitte Economics Institute. The report analyzed 15 geographies in Asia Pacific, Europe, and the Americas, and found that if global leaders unite in a systemic net-zero transition, the global economy could see new five-decade gains of US$43 trillion—a boost to global GDP of 3.8% in 2070.
     
    https://www.deloitte.com/an/en/about/press-room/deloitte-research-reveals-inaction-on-climate-change-could-cost-the-world-economy-us-dollar-178-trillion-by-2070.html

    $125 trillion of climate investment is needed by 2050 to meet net zero, with investment from now until 2025 needing to triple compared to the last five years to put the world on track.

    By 2030, however, up to four-fifths of decarbonization technology investments could be better value than conventional, emissions-intensive alternatives.

    Delivering investment on this scale is possible but will require increased action across private investors, as well as commensurate public ambition to enable and support them through policy and public investment.
     
    https://climatechampions.unfccc.int/whats-the-cost-of-net-zero-2/

    In economic terms, spending on physical assets on the course to net-zero would reach about US$275 trillion by 2050, or US$9.2 trillion per year on average, an annual increase of US$3.5 trillion. To put it in comparable terms, the US$3.5 trillion increase is equivalent to about half of global corporate profits, one-quarter of total tax revenue, and 7 percent of household spending.
     
    https://www.mckinsey.com/mgi/overview/in-the-news/what-it-will-cost-to-get-to-net-zero

    Replies: @Mr_Chow_Mein

    Interest rates in the West are heading north, Germany is in recession, last time there was a collapse into recession then depression we had world war.

    This is no accident, the scamdemic was no accident, the pathway is clear we are heading for war for the one percentage point.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  34. German_reader says:
    @Pixo
    @German_reader

    There are volunteers from at least 20 White nations defending Free Christian Europe against Putin’s Islamo-Oriental hordes and prison-recruited rapist-mercenaries.

    Good for them!

    https://assets.deutschlandfunk.de/1fbcc4b0-c8fd-45b7-9771-fe2f8e10fd98/1280x720.jpg?t=1663058502356

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya, @Derer

    Nafo cretins should be put down like the rabid little dogs they pose as.

  35. German_reader says:
    @Greasy William
    @Dmitry

    The Israeli left spergs non stop about the haredi birthrate and yet never says anything about the Arab Islamic birthrate. The latter group is bigger and more hostile to the state than the haredi are. If the Haredim are a demographic threat to the state, then so are the Arab Muslims. Yet the Israel left never says a word about them.

    The Israeli left may be even more odious than the Western left. At least the Western left owns that they are a bunch of worthless cosmopolitans, the Israeli left actually attempts to use Judaism itself to attack the haredim. And they had no problem allying with the haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers. Awful people.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry, @Yevardian

    Haredis come across as quite parasitical (dodging military service, devoting themselves to useless, obscurantist studies). Maybe it would be a solution, if the state confiscated their every 2nd child and educated them as productive citizens.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @German_reader


    Haredis come across as quite parasitical (dodging military service, devoting themselves to useless, obscurantist studies)
     
    Pretty much all haredi women work, as do 40% of the men. The number of men in the workforce would be much higher had secular Israel not started bribing them to join their coalitions in the 1980's. Before then, 80% of haredi men worked.

    I agree haredi men should work but serving in the IDF is out of the question. The haredim never asked for the state to be created in the first place and they don't care if it continues to exist or not. They have no obligation to fight to protect such a state. The IDF has no manpower problems and literally the only reason anyone wants a haredi draft is to turn haredi boys into secular Zionists and thereby destroy haredi society.

    Also, while it is true that military service is mandatory for all Israeli Jews, combat service is not. You can easily serve your entire term as a mechanic, cook, writer or whatever. So even if the haredim were drafted (which will never happen, it would cause a civil war) the haredim still wouldn't be helping defend Israel. All that would happen is they would get some free job training because no haredi would ever volunteer to join a combat unit.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @German_reader

  36. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    BTW, off-topic, but here is a question for you: Had Russia remained in WWI up to the very end and avoided the Bolshevik coup, and also gotten Constantinople and the Straits after the end of WWI, is there any chance that it could have used them as a bargaining chip in order to get Turkey to join a reformed Greater Russian Federation as its own separate federal unit? As in, give Turkey Constantinople and the Straits back, but only contingent on Turkey actually agreeing to join a reformed Greater Russian Federation as its own separate federal unit.

    Turkey has impressive human capital by Middle Eastern standards and thus it would be a shame for a Russia who wins WWI not to try attempting something like this, especially if done on a voluntary basis:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2022/10/national-intelli-basic-skills/

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/basic_skills_map-2048x969.png

    And the unification agreement can have a clause that Constantinople and the Straits will return to Russia if Turkey will ever subsequently withdraw from this Greater Russian Federation.

    Replies: @Old Brown Fool

    Could the old Russian empire have held such a thing as the old Turkish empire as its constituent unit? Turkey then was not a compact nation-state, but an empire in its own right, even if Europeans have started gnawing many parts. It was probably more populous than the core Russian areas.

    In general, how successful Russia would be in taking a non- Caucasian, non- Mongol, dark people, probably 25% of its population, as its constituent?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Old Brown Fool

    Please keep in mind that this is in the context of an Entente WWI victory, so the Ottomans are still getting dismembered. The Ottomans' Arab provinces still become Western mandates (protectorates or colonies, really). It's only their Turkish and maybe some of their Kurdish territories that would become a constituent unit of Russia proper. Even with their Kurdish territories, an independent, pro-Russian Kurdistan could be more profitable for Russia, so that might leave only the Ottomans' Turkish territories. And of course eastern Anatolia would become a part of an Armenian federal unit within a reformed, ideally democratic Greater Russia, but that part should be obvious, I hope.

    Turkey's population in 1920 was around 13 million:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Turkey

    Greater Russia's population back then, even excluding Poland, was likely 10+ times larger than that. So, back then, Turkey could have likely been absorbed by a Greater Russia relatively easily in demographic terms. Turkey's population would have subsequently exploded, of course, but so would Greater Russia's without both Communism and Nazism, so the effect would not be as severe as it would be with Greater Russia's real life 20th century extreme demographic devastation.

  37. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    That whole region is a part of Poland's historic sphere of influence due to the PLC lol.

    Replies: @Old Brown Fool, @Derer, @Beckow

    If it comes back, it will be a plc.

  38. @Greasy William
    @AaronB

    The problem with Iran is in their DNA, not their system of government. Junk people produce junk societies.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Old Brown Fool, @Ivashka the fool

    Iranians are also Aryans. Just reminding.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Old Brown Fool

    Greasy is an American Jew. He dislikes Iran because they are threatening Israel and because Persians are not easily dismissed as Arabs are. Modern day Iranian people are a mix of different populations, the Aryan component is rather limited. Turkic, Semitic and Elamite components are probably dominant compared to the Aryan. Aryianem Vaejah is somewhere else entirely, where exactly is hard to tell but most probably somewhere in the former USSR.

    Replies: @Old Brown Fool, @AP

  39. @Old Brown Fool
    @Mr. XYZ

    Could the old Russian empire have held such a thing as the old Turkish empire as its constituent unit? Turkey then was not a compact nation-state, but an empire in its own right, even if Europeans have started gnawing many parts. It was probably more populous than the core Russian areas.

    In general, how successful Russia would be in taking a non- Caucasian, non- Mongol, dark people, probably 25% of its population, as its constituent?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Please keep in mind that this is in the context of an Entente WWI victory, so the Ottomans are still getting dismembered. The Ottomans’ Arab provinces still become Western mandates (protectorates or colonies, really). It’s only their Turkish and maybe some of their Kurdish territories that would become a constituent unit of Russia proper. Even with their Kurdish territories, an independent, pro-Russian Kurdistan could be more profitable for Russia, so that might leave only the Ottomans’ Turkish territories. And of course eastern Anatolia would become a part of an Armenian federal unit within a reformed, ideally democratic Greater Russia, but that part should be obvious, I hope.

    Turkey’s population in 1920 was around 13 million:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Turkey

    Greater Russia’s population back then, even excluding Poland, was likely 10+ times larger than that. So, back then, Turkey could have likely been absorbed by a Greater Russia relatively easily in demographic terms. Turkey’s population would have subsequently exploded, of course, but so would Greater Russia’s without both Communism and Nazism, so the effect would not be as severe as it would be with Greater Russia’s real life 20th century extreme demographic devastation.

  40. @Greasy William
    @Dmitry

    The Israeli left spergs non stop about the haredi birthrate and yet never says anything about the Arab Islamic birthrate. The latter group is bigger and more hostile to the state than the haredi are. If the Haredim are a demographic threat to the state, then so are the Arab Muslims. Yet the Israel left never says a word about them.

    The Israeli left may be even more odious than the Western left. At least the Western left owns that they are a bunch of worthless cosmopolitans, the Israeli left actually attempts to use Judaism itself to attack the haredim. And they had no problem allying with the haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers. Awful people.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry, @Yevardian

    In 2021, Israeli Jews actually had a *higher* TFR than Israeli Muslims had:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

    Israeli Muslims aren’t a demographic threat any longer. The Haredim, though, very much are, specifically due to their lack of economic and military usefulness combined with their bigotry.

  41. @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    To be honest, I don't think postsoviet border conflict between Russia and Ukraine is so important globally.

    There is historical legacy of the Cold War which is influencing the media and geopolitical hype of the war. This is a lot of marketing hype though. Especially, Putin invested a lot of money to marketing and media trolling.

    But we shouldn't confuse marketing hype with the real history. Globally, in the balance of power, possibly it could be more like a category of Iran-Iraq war in 1980s history.

    -

    Ukraine going into EU will possibly weaken and downgrade the EU's average level of development, but it's a good opportunity for Ukraine to develop, so the net balance for the EU's power might be similar after than before.

    However, even Ukraine as quite large country developing, is probably not significant in the global view. It would just be like 2 times version of Romania, in the best opportunity of following Romania which has the most rapid development in the EU.

    Russia is only slightly larger than Spain economically, but shared with three times more population, so the influence of isolation will not be so negative for the world's economy.

    The questions for the future of the century, seem more questions like how countries like China and India will develop. Do you think China could have a cultural renaissance in the 2050s? Will India industrialize?

    Replies: @AaronB, @Mr. XYZ

    Incorporating Ukraine into the EU will weaken the EU in the short-run but probably strengthen the EU in the long-run due to greater economies of scale. And of course the EU would become a bit more nationalistic with Ukraine included in it.

    Russia’s economy is Germany’s size in PPP terms. And I hope that a reformed post-Putin Russia would eventually itself seek to join the EU. Though it would have to come to terms with its guilt for the Ukraine War and pay reparations to Ukraine beforehand, along with likely reducing its level of corruption down to Polish levels.

    China already exports some of its culture. Netflix has some Chinese animated and 3D shows even right now, for instance. And Yes, I don’t see why exactly India wouldn’t continue to industrialize. I expect India to ultimately converge to Bulgaria’s or Romania’s level of development. But this would likely be by the end of the 21st century, unless of course AI will massively speed up the process for India.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    long-run due to greater economies of scale.

     

    Where is the evidence of the "greater economies of scale"?

    If "greater economies of scale" is important, then logical implication the EU should also add Africa, China and India to the EU. It will strengthen the EU in the long-run by "greater economies of scale". German Reader will become even more wealthy with these "greater economies of scale".

    Switzerland should just combine with Moldova, as Switzerland-Moldova will have "greater economies of scale" than failed country of Switzerland. Therefore, Switzerland's economy might be successful.

    Israel will become stronger by merging to Egypt and Jordan.

    Singapore should merge with Philippines, so Singapore will not be an economic failure anymore.


    guilt for the Ukraine War and pay reparations to Ukraine beforehand, along with likely reducing its level of corruption down to Polish levels.

     

    Which is an imaginary fantasy.

    economy is Germany’s size in PPP
     
    As Guriev says, PPP is completely irrelevant for international comparison of economic size. It's only designed to explain standard of living of individuals. The international comparison, is the nominal data.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

  42. @Greasy William
    @Dmitry

    The Israeli left spergs non stop about the haredi birthrate and yet never says anything about the Arab Islamic birthrate. The latter group is bigger and more hostile to the state than the haredi are. If the Haredim are a demographic threat to the state, then so are the Arab Muslims. Yet the Israel left never says a word about them.

    The Israeli left may be even more odious than the Western left. At least the Western left owns that they are a bunch of worthless cosmopolitans, the Israeli left actually attempts to use Judaism itself to attack the haredim. And they had no problem allying with the haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers. Awful people.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry, @Yevardian

    Israeli peoples’ fear of Haredim (people with big hats) and National Religious (people with small hats), is not exactly completely illogical or unjustified.

    Haredi men and Muslim women have the lowest employment rate in Israel. Haredim and Muslims have similar dysfunctional policies like high inbreeding rates.

    In proportional representation government, Haredi politicians extract a lot of things which damage the population, like closing of the public transport for Friday, which has negative effects for everyone.

    They also damage the country’s budget, with funding for incorrect religious studies and mythologies. A lot of the Haredim hate Israel and some groups burn the flag.

    When the political extracting fails, the population can be often disobedient and cause a problem for local authorities.

    On the other hand, Haredim are real pacifists (except to their own community), which have low crime. They create very safe areas, with a nice atmosphere. So, in small numbers, they are good neighbors.

    You can’t say they are completely negative community. But the effect, of large numbers, is untested.

    Many Arab areas in Israel have high crime, dysfunction and sometimes contribution to the jihadist terrorism. But the higher crime in the Arab areas is also because the underinvestment in the Arab community, by Israel. So, there is not a simple history, with only one side responsible.

    Bedouin areas of Israel with the fertility rates of 8 children per women, are also rapidly destroying their own ecology and not sustainable. The Bedouin would need to choose between the ecology which depends for traditional life, or the 8 children per women.

    Israeli left spergs non stop about the haredi birthrate

    Which “Israeli left”? Secular people who pay the taxes, are joining the army for combat units, who pay tuition fee for university, who sometimes logically say they are carrying the country?

    Immigrants in Israel receive free university, after avoiding the army. Arabs receive a lot of affirmative action scholarships after avoiding the army. Haredim have free money from the government for their own incorrect studies. But the local Israelis have to pay the complete cost for university, even after they were working in the army for free.

    haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers

    Who “wage their war on the settlers”? Some of the settlements extract disproportionately large part of the budget, while some of the small hats are operating Messianic cults which is remind of Mormons.

    A lot of Israel (not just Arab areas) is very underinvested in terms of the infrastructure and housing. But then there are some of the small hats’ settlements with American style of infrastructure, swimming pools etc.

    It’s partly indication of state capture by messianic cults, which can be more organized than the normal citizens.

    These are not internationally recognized land of Israel. So in the long term part of this will be lost investment, as even after land swaps the parts of the settlements would need to be evacuated, like in 1982 and 2005.

    This is part of the problem of the proportional representation democracy. If there are highly motivated cult groups, they use coalition government to hijack for their lifestyle which has superficial rational appearance, but a disguise for messianic cults.

    So, they are friendly middle class communities, with “good people” “patriotic values”. They don’t have dysfunctional lifestyle and seem healthy in many ways. They have positive values, like the community strength, care for the disabled people etc.

    But the location of their lifestyle can be selfish, irresponsible. In the long term, it can be political disaster for the country.

    Settlements in Israel often like the Moscow of infrastructure. You know there is something strange, when they have clean streets, large villages, swimming pools. And by comparison, hard working area of Israel is decaying with underinvestment and small apartments.

    Then even secular institutions in the West Bank, can be like crazy multi-billion dollar investments. They then use billion dollars West Bank universities to educate the Palestinians in the internationally non-recognized territory.

    While the same country with these multi-billion dollar investments in legally not accepted land, cannot pay for the earthquake retrofitting of the core population in land they own.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Dmitry


    A lot of the Haredim hate Israel and some groups burn the flag.
     
    But what percentage of all Haredis are they?

    And do they intend to turn political control over to the Arabs? If not, their opposition to the state of Israel is probably some technical religious detail with little real world significance.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry, @A123

  43. Very grounded interview by Razib Khan with Samo Burja on the respective futures of Europe and Russia.
    Samo echoing Dmitry’s “trash can of history” comments in his pessimistic opinion that, whatever the outcome, in the near future the Russia-Ukraine conflict won’t be seen as much more consequential the world’s powers than the Yugoslav Wars (his example).
    And equally downcast predictions of the Ukraine-Russia devolving into the 21st Century’s own tedious and never-progressing version of the Israel-Palestine Conflict, with the rest of Europe dragging itself down with it, a continent of crabs and buckets.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiNfior6DPc&t=3651s&pp=ygUQc2FtbyBidXJqYSByYXppYg%3D%3D

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    Can't watch the interview right now, but the comparison with the Yugoslav wars is absurd. Russia's turn away from Europe and alignment with China plus the total subjection of the EU under American hegemony are a pretty big deal, even if this doesn't go nuclear (far from certain).
    Razib's an arrogant asshole btw with an absurdly overblown opinion of his own brilliance. Probably worth reading for the genetics, but not much else.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  44. @German_reader
    @Greasy William

    Haredis come across as quite parasitical (dodging military service, devoting themselves to useless, obscurantist studies). Maybe it would be a solution, if the state confiscated their every 2nd child and educated them as productive citizens.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Haredis come across as quite parasitical (dodging military service, devoting themselves to useless, obscurantist studies)

    Pretty much all haredi women work, as do 40% of the men. The number of men in the workforce would be much higher had secular Israel not started bribing them to join their coalitions in the 1980’s. Before then, 80% of haredi men worked.

    I agree haredi men should work but serving in the IDF is out of the question. The haredim never asked for the state to be created in the first place and they don’t care if it continues to exist or not. They have no obligation to fight to protect such a state. The IDF has no manpower problems and literally the only reason anyone wants a haredi draft is to turn haredi boys into secular Zionists and thereby destroy haredi society.

    Also, while it is true that military service is mandatory for all Israeli Jews, combat service is not. You can easily serve your entire term as a mechanic, cook, writer or whatever. So even if the haredim were drafted (which will never happen, it would cause a civil war) the haredim still wouldn’t be helping defend Israel. All that would happen is they would get some free job training because no haredi would ever volunteer to join a combat unit.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    Why are your comments about Israel, always writing many facts backwards? At least this time, you seemed to write some of the sentences which are not backwards, like the employment rate of Haredi women is higher than Haredi men, although it is 70-80%.


    military service is mandatory for all Israeli Jews,
     
    It's not mandatory for religious Jews. Religious national men have less exemption and the women also have the famous national service program for the datit women instead of the army. The religious women often working voluntary jobs, often with Arab populations etc.

    only reason anyone wants a haredi draft is to turn haredi boys into secular Zionists and thereby destroy haredi

     

    This is obviously not true, as they try to follow all the crazy religious requirements of the Haredi soldiers, even preventing interaction of Haredi soldiers with women while they are in the army. They had to build special institutional basis for the Haredi soldiers.

    no haredi would ever volunteer to join a combat unit.
     
    Lol how can avoid knowing the famous story of Haredi combat units, it's one of the most famous and regular journalists' stories about Israel.

    They are usually the academic or social rejects of the Haredi society.

    Often they are rejected by their family, beaten when they visit their own community, have difficulty to be married etc. It's more from the Middle Eastern Haredim.

    The numbers could be lower than the Bedouin soldiers, but Haredim combat soldiers need separate institutions from the normal soldiers because they have so many religious rules.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8BRyNyY0A0.

    , @German_reader
    @Greasy William

    They don't want to serve in the army, not even as medics or ambulance drivers, but would start a civil war if their privileges were questioned? That's some fucked-up level of entitlement and selfishness.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @AaronB

  45. @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Incorporating Ukraine into the EU will weaken the EU in the short-run but probably strengthen the EU in the long-run due to greater economies of scale. And of course the EU would become a bit more nationalistic with Ukraine included in it.

    Russia's economy is Germany's size in PPP terms. And I hope that a reformed post-Putin Russia would eventually itself seek to join the EU. Though it would have to come to terms with its guilt for the Ukraine War and pay reparations to Ukraine beforehand, along with likely reducing its level of corruption down to Polish levels.

    China already exports some of its culture. Netflix has some Chinese animated and 3D shows even right now, for instance. And Yes, I don't see why exactly India wouldn't continue to industrialize. I expect India to ultimately converge to Bulgaria's or Romania's level of development. But this would likely be by the end of the 21st century, unless of course AI will massively speed up the process for India.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    long-run due to greater economies of scale.

    Where is the evidence of the “greater economies of scale”?

    If “greater economies of scale” is important, then logical implication the EU should also add Africa, China and India to the EU. It will strengthen the EU in the long-run by “greater economies of scale”. German Reader will become even more wealthy with these “greater economies of scale”.

    Switzerland should just combine with Moldova, as Switzerland-Moldova will have “greater economies of scale” than failed country of Switzerland. Therefore, Switzerland’s economy might be successful.

    Israel will become stronger by merging to Egypt and Jordan.

    Singapore should merge with Philippines, so Singapore will not be an economic failure anymore.

    guilt for the Ukraine War and pay reparations to Ukraine beforehand, along with likely reducing its level of corruption down to Polish levels.

    Which is an imaginary fantasy.

    economy is Germany’s size in PPP

    As Guriev says, PPP is completely irrelevant for international comparison of economic size. It’s only designed to explain standard of living of individuals. The international comparison, is the nominal data.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry


    If “greater economies of scale” is important, then logical implication the EU should also add Africa, China and India to the EU. It will strengthen the EU in the long-run by “greater economies of scale”. German Reader will become even more wealthy with these “greater economies of scale”.
     
    Those regions are too dull and/or authoritarian. Though if Russia joins the EU, then theoretically Japan and South Korea could as well were they actually European.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry


    Switzerland should just combine with Moldova, as Switzerland-Moldova will have “greater economies of scale” than failed country of Switzerland. Therefore, Switzerland’s economy might be successful.
     
    No common border.

    Israel will become stronger by merging to Egypt and Jordan.
     
    Too dull and too culturally incompatible.

    Singapore should merge with Philippines, so Singapore will not be an economic failure anymore.
     
    Too dull.

    Which is an imaginary fantasy.
     
    If a more liberal and more conciliatory regime will come to power in Russia post-Putin (either immediately or eventually), then it's not impossible.
    , @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    It seems the Ukrainian oligarchs and government had destroyed any hope of Ukrainian "economies of scale" even before the SMO started. That left farming, mining and a few other low-tech industries. I think most of the smart fraction of people had been driven out, so there was not enough mental horsepower to keep big organizations such as Antonov, Ivchenko or Yuhzmash going for much longer. In addition to profitable but low-tech industries they had the organized crime economy, including prostitution and whatever else.

    After the SMO, I think Russia will very gradually work to selectively revive some of the high tech industries. They need Ukraine to be self-supporting, but don't want to foster an anti-Russia fifth column.

    The very strong Soviet-created scientific industrial sector in Ukraine was candle in the wind 1950-2000 A.D., R.I.P.

  46. @Greasy William
    @Dmitry

    The Israeli left spergs non stop about the haredi birthrate and yet never says anything about the Arab Islamic birthrate. The latter group is bigger and more hostile to the state than the haredi are. If the Haredim are a demographic threat to the state, then so are the Arab Muslims. Yet the Israel left never says a word about them.

    The Israeli left may be even more odious than the Western left. At least the Western left owns that they are a bunch of worthless cosmopolitans, the Israeli left actually attempts to use Judaism itself to attack the haredim. And they had no problem allying with the haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers. Awful people.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry, @Yevardian

    And they had no problem allying with the haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers. Awful people.

    Congratulations, you have reached A123 levels of retarded, uncritical Israel-worship.

    “War on the settlers” ….LOL, those poor innocent settlers squatting on the outskirts of decrepit old Arab villages, burning olive groves and engaging in price-tag attacks, showing nothing but contempt for the elected Israeli government and then calling in the IDF to (mostly unwillingly) to tear-gas and strip-search their neighbors when a few children start throwing rocks.

    Although, if you had ever bothered to try understanding Israeli society, you’d quickly understand why the settlers are a huge problem and total cancer on their body-politic, even from the perspective of thinking Israeli nationalists. Or at least it was, Avigdor Lieberman (for his many flaws and subsequent downfall) was an example of this hardnosed-but-commonsense attitude.
    Since true scum of the earth Naftali Bennet got elected to state leadership a few years ago it was just too much and I gave up on Israeli society generally, I couldn’t even read about it anymore. Settlers are the future there.

    Under ordinary circumstances, regular Israelis would rather have nothing to do with the occupied territories, stay behind their ‘Security Wall’ and leave it at that, its the settlers and their incessant chimpouts and provocations that make it an unending domestic and international headache.

    But I will leave this topic to Dmitry, I’m uncertain you’re worth arguing with on this.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Yevardian


    Since true scum of the earth Naftali Bennet got elected to state leadership a few years ago it was just too much and I gave up on Israeli society generally, I couldn’t even read about it anymore.
     
    Bennett came to power with the help of the left wing parties with a coalition whose only purpose was to destroy the haredim. It failed completely and ended Bennett's career. You don't have to worry about ever seeing someone like Bennett in charge ever again.

    Under ordinary circumstances, regular Israelis would rather have nothing to do with the occupied territories, stay behind their ‘Security Wall’ and leave it at that
     
    There are no "regular Israelis". There is the secular middle class, who clearly think of themselves as "regular Israelis" but they are vastly outnumbered by haredim, national religious, working class Mizrahim and Arabs. It is, AFAIK, the only case in history where a group that is about 35% of the population regards itself as the majority. Or maybe they just do math differently over there.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @Dmitry
    @Yevardian


    scum of the earth Naftali Bennet

     

    Greasy comments about Israel are generally everything incorrect. I guess he knows more about Russia and Prigozhin than Israel, which is to say a person who enjoys writing opposites of the available information.

    He probably combines his imagination, with people he talks with in the YouTube comments. So, if I said something about Russia, he will be writing "Russians are anti-racist anti-war liberals because my Russian friend in the YouTube comments section is writing like that" etc.

    But there is something about Bennett, who was a liberal at least in terms of the social policies.

    Bennett was maybe the similar political views as Joe Biden. He marketed for many years as religious rightwing, probably because he was working inside the religious nationalist party, as part of the tribal politics.

    He was supposed to be first religious Prime Minister in Israel, breaking the glass ceiling, while all the previous Prime Minister were secular Ashkenazim.

    Then he created coalition with the Islamic party, prioritized the progressive agenda of LGBT, disabled peoples' rights, secular marriage, minorities, environmentalism. He cancelled the oil pipeline to UAE for environmental reasons. He increases funding for LGBT organizations, increases funding for Arab students etc.

    I.e. he followed a liberal policy.

    -

    By the way, he always wears the small hat and promotes as a religious nationalist, but his family shows different reality.

    Religious national Jews are supposed to marry virgin women from their own community, who wear head covers and, especially the women in their community are not allowed to wear trousers.

    But Bennett's wife is doesn't cover hair and Bennett doesn't stop her wearing trousers for interviews, where she is saying she is not secular, just "ex-secular".

    I watched an interview of her, with aggressive interviewer saying about stories she is a really secular liar, and she is saying "I'm not secular".

    In 3:01 in the video , the interviewer says she was the chef for a pork and shrimp restaurant in New York. She is not disageeing, just saying she made desserts and was going home on Friday. The interviewer is really not believing her.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnNKpnhZJyo

    For "right-wing religious politician" Naftali Bennett, who has a wife with trousers, who was chef in a pork and shrimp restaurant.

    It's like if Bill and Hillary Clinton were electing from a religious rightwing part of the Republican Party. Then after winning election, they go to the liberal policies they really like.

    Replies: @A123

  47. @Greasy William
    @Joe Paluka

    Judaism doesn't allow homosexual acts.

    Meatball Ron's future is in some think tank making an obscene amount of money for the way he took one for the team by launching this suicide run for the Presidency

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ, @Joe Paluka

    Judaism doesn’t allow homosexual acts.

    Depends which Judaism lol:

    https://forward.com/news/371280/how-rabbis-are-trying-to-make-the-conservative-movement-more-gay-friendly/

    “Your relationships and marriages are all cool, but please don’t poke each other in the butt lol! Even though we allow opposite-sex couples and lesbians (strap-ons) to poke each other in the butts lol!”

    From Anatoly Crimeus* Karlin (Anatoly Krym* Karlin):

    Translated from trollspeak, the basic point is that the opinions of smart people are almost always correct, and even when they are wrong on the details (e.g. the more lurid prewar Western media tropes on Russia; race differences in IQ), they are correct on the generalities (e.g.…

    I guess that this means that Russia should not have tried to reintegrate Ukraine because both Russia’s and Ukraine’s cognitive elites were more hostile towards this idea than Russian and Ukrainian proles were, right?

    *Technically Krym translates to Crimea, but Krym is masculine while Crimea is feminine, hence Crimeus instead. I will begin referring to him as such due to his past Russian nationalism lol.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ

    Should be Crimeum, AK is an object after all.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  48. @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    long-run due to greater economies of scale.

     

    Where is the evidence of the "greater economies of scale"?

    If "greater economies of scale" is important, then logical implication the EU should also add Africa, China and India to the EU. It will strengthen the EU in the long-run by "greater economies of scale". German Reader will become even more wealthy with these "greater economies of scale".

    Switzerland should just combine with Moldova, as Switzerland-Moldova will have "greater economies of scale" than failed country of Switzerland. Therefore, Switzerland's economy might be successful.

    Israel will become stronger by merging to Egypt and Jordan.

    Singapore should merge with Philippines, so Singapore will not be an economic failure anymore.


    guilt for the Ukraine War and pay reparations to Ukraine beforehand, along with likely reducing its level of corruption down to Polish levels.

     

    Which is an imaginary fantasy.

    economy is Germany’s size in PPP
     
    As Guriev says, PPP is completely irrelevant for international comparison of economic size. It's only designed to explain standard of living of individuals. The international comparison, is the nominal data.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    If “greater economies of scale” is important, then logical implication the EU should also add Africa, China and India to the EU. It will strengthen the EU in the long-run by “greater economies of scale”. German Reader will become even more wealthy with these “greater economies of scale”.

    Those regions are too dull and/or authoritarian. Though if Russia joins the EU, then theoretically Japan and South Korea could as well were they actually European.

  49. @Yevardian
    @Greasy William


    And they had no problem allying with the haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers. Awful people.
     
    Congratulations, you have reached A123 levels of retarded, uncritical Israel-worship.

    "War on the settlers" ....LOL, those poor innocent settlers squatting on the outskirts of decrepit old Arab villages, burning olive groves and engaging in price-tag attacks, showing nothing but contempt for the elected Israeli government and then calling in the IDF to (mostly unwillingly) to tear-gas and strip-search their neighbors when a few children start throwing rocks.

    Although, if you had ever bothered to try understanding Israeli society, you'd quickly understand why the settlers are a huge problem and total cancer on their body-politic, even from the perspective of thinking Israeli nationalists. Or at least it was, Avigdor Lieberman (for his many flaws and subsequent downfall) was an example of this hardnosed-but-commonsense attitude.
    Since true scum of the earth Naftali Bennet got elected to state leadership a few years ago it was just too much and I gave up on Israeli society generally, I couldn't even read about it anymore. Settlers are the future there.

    Under ordinary circumstances, regular Israelis would rather have nothing to do with the occupied territories, stay behind their 'Security Wall' and leave it at that, its the settlers and their incessant chimpouts and provocations that make it an unending domestic and international headache.

    But I will leave this topic to Dmitry, I'm uncertain you're worth arguing with on this.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    Since true scum of the earth Naftali Bennet got elected to state leadership a few years ago it was just too much and I gave up on Israeli society generally, I couldn’t even read about it anymore.

    Bennett came to power with the help of the left wing parties with a coalition whose only purpose was to destroy the haredim. It failed completely and ended Bennett’s career. You don’t have to worry about ever seeing someone like Bennett in charge ever again.

    Under ordinary circumstances, regular Israelis would rather have nothing to do with the occupied territories, stay behind their ‘Security Wall’ and leave it at that

    There are no “regular Israelis”. There is the secular middle class, who clearly think of themselves as “regular Israelis” but they are vastly outnumbered by haredim, national religious, working class Mizrahim and Arabs. It is, AFAIK, the only case in history where a group that is about 35% of the population regards itself as the majority. Or maybe they just do math differently over there.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Greasy William


    There are no “regular Israelis”. There is the secular middle class, who clearly think of themselves as “regular Israelis” but they are vastly outnumbered by haredim, national religious, working class Mizrahim and Arabs. It is, AFAIK, the only case in history where a group that is about 35% of the population regards itself as the majority. Or maybe they just do math differently over there.
     
    Well, maybe. But Secular Ashkenazim are the reason why Israel exists, the people who built the country, revived the Hebrew language, have run all its governments, and are still the only really productive demographic in the entire country.

    Its worth reading Jewish internal dialogue on Israel during the late 80s and early 90s, before the mass migration from the USSR restored Ashkenazi cultural predominance from the verge of becoming eclipsed (and even then it the assimilation process was extremely botched, with such gross incompetence many even moved back to the ex-USSR), there was real panic in Israeli society about the state of the country, not even connected to by-then largely imaginary Arab threat (the intifada had not yet started).

    Replies: @silviosilver

  50. @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    Israeli peoples' fear of Haredim (people with big hats) and National Religious (people with small hats), is not exactly completely illogical or unjustified.

    Haredi men and Muslim women have the lowest employment rate in Israel. Haredim and Muslims have similar dysfunctional policies like high inbreeding rates.

    In proportional representation government, Haredi politicians extract a lot of things which damage the population, like closing of the public transport for Friday, which has negative effects for everyone.

    They also damage the country's budget, with funding for incorrect religious studies and mythologies. A lot of the Haredim hate Israel and some groups burn the flag.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwVFZiPTE9g


    -

    When the political extracting fails, the population can be often disobedient and cause a problem for local authorities.

    On the other hand, Haredim are real pacifists (except to their own community), which have low crime. They create very safe areas, with a nice atmosphere. So, in small numbers, they are good neighbors.

    You can't say they are completely negative community. But the effect, of large numbers, is untested.

    Many Arab areas in Israel have high crime, dysfunction and sometimes contribution to the jihadist terrorism. But the higher crime in the Arab areas is also because the underinvestment in the Arab community, by Israel. So, there is not a simple history, with only one side responsible.

    Bedouin areas of Israel with the fertility rates of 8 children per women, are also rapidly destroying their own ecology and not sustainable. The Bedouin would need to choose between the ecology which depends for traditional life, or the 8 children per women.


    Israeli left spergs non stop about the haredi birthrate

     

    Which "Israeli left"? Secular people who pay the taxes, are joining the army for combat units, who pay tuition fee for university, who sometimes logically say they are carrying the country?

    Immigrants in Israel receive free university, after avoiding the army. Arabs receive a lot of affirmative action scholarships after avoiding the army. Haredim have free money from the government for their own incorrect studies. But the local Israelis have to pay the complete cost for university, even after they were working in the army for free.


    haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers

     

    Who "wage their war on the settlers"? Some of the settlements extract disproportionately large part of the budget, while some of the small hats are operating Messianic cults which is remind of Mormons.

    A lot of Israel (not just Arab areas) is very underinvested in terms of the infrastructure and housing. But then there are some of the small hats' settlements with American style of infrastructure, swimming pools etc.

    It's partly indication of state capture by messianic cults, which can be more organized than the normal citizens.

    These are not internationally recognized land of Israel. So in the long term part of this will be lost investment, as even after land swaps the parts of the settlements would need to be evacuated, like in 1982 and 2005.

    This is part of the problem of the proportional representation democracy. If there are highly motivated cult groups, they use coalition government to hijack for their lifestyle which has superficial rational appearance, but a disguise for messianic cults.

    So, they are friendly middle class communities, with "good people" "patriotic values". They don't have dysfunctional lifestyle and seem healthy in many ways. They have positive values, like the community strength, care for the disabled people etc.

    But the location of their lifestyle can be selfish, irresponsible. In the long term, it can be political disaster for the country.

    -

    Settlements in Israel often like the Moscow of infrastructure. You know there is something strange, when they have clean streets, large villages, swimming pools. And by comparison, hard working area of Israel is decaying with underinvestment and small apartments.

    Then even secular institutions in the West Bank, can be like crazy multi-billion dollar investments. They then use billion dollars West Bank universities to educate the Palestinians in the internationally non-recognized territory.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqSI7AjPWfM

    While the same country with these multi-billion dollar investments in legally not accepted land, cannot pay for the earthquake retrofitting of the core population in land they own.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    A lot of the Haredim hate Israel and some groups burn the flag.

    But what percentage of all Haredis are they?

    And do they intend to turn political control over to the Arabs? If not, their opposition to the state of Israel is probably some technical religious detail with little real world significance.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @silviosilver


    And do they intend to turn political control over to the Arabs?
     
    It depends which group. Most haredim are non Zionist, not anti Zionist. The anti Zionist groups like Satmar and Neturi Karta would absolutely turn control of the state over the Arabs. Their theology holds that Mosiach cannot come until they do so.

    The other haredim, err.... I doubt it. I suspect their view towards the state of Israel would become much more positive once they were the ones actually running the place and when the only alternative was being slaughtered or expelled by the revenge minded Palestinians.
    , @Dmitry
    @silviosilver

    Most of the Haredim would be technically opposed to Israel, maybe all of the non-Hasidic groups. Some of the Hassidic groups like Chabad are pro-Israel.

    Some of the Haredim really hate Israel and the ghettos like Mea Shearim traditionally have Palestinian flags on their streets. Israeli police often climb into the ghetto to remove the flags.

    But I think your comment is accurate, we couldn't predict what is the real significance for such opaque cults.

    They are self-focused cults, without priorities outside their community. They are not Islamists, with interest about controlling the world outside their cults.

    Also unlike Muslims, the Haredim are pacifists.

    But what happens with large numbers of anti-modern inbreeding cults for a country? It's an "interesting" experiment, historically untested if you can create a civilized country with these cults.

    Amish are 0,01% of the population of the USA. Haredim are already 130 times higher proportion of Israel's population, than Amish of USA's population. In a generation, they could be 300 times more.

    These are also opaque and mysterious group. One of their cult leaders is unhappy, and then thousands of their children sit in the road to close the country's traffic.

    It's not sure they will destroy Israel, but it's understandable some Israelis are feeling of a zombie apocalypse. I guess there is also problem of police brutality against their protests.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnFPlbEjTcM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEFUWwzIdco

    , @A123
    @silviosilver



    @Dmitry
    A lot of the Haredim hate Israel and some groups burn the flag.

     

    But what percentage of all Haredis are they?

    And do they intend to turn political control over to the Arabs? If not, their opposition to the state of Israel is probably some technical religious detail with little real world significance
     
    I concur. It is a really fringe, technical concept with little significance.

    If they were actually against the nation of Israel, why would they voluntarily migrate there? Why do they stay? Even if they do not personally want to be government officials they clearly respect the system.

    Look at the huge pro government assemblies supporting necessary judicial reforms. Big hats and Israeli flags are both visible.
    ____

    I find use of the term pacifist to be odd. Staying out of the IDF does not equal pacifism. While there may be some true "Amish style" pacifists, these must be the exception.

    The indigenous Jews of Judea are in long term conflict with the Muslim occupiers. Trying to undo 1,400 years of land theft requires assertiveness.

    PEACE 😇
  51. @Greasy William
    @German_reader


    Haredis come across as quite parasitical (dodging military service, devoting themselves to useless, obscurantist studies)
     
    Pretty much all haredi women work, as do 40% of the men. The number of men in the workforce would be much higher had secular Israel not started bribing them to join their coalitions in the 1980's. Before then, 80% of haredi men worked.

    I agree haredi men should work but serving in the IDF is out of the question. The haredim never asked for the state to be created in the first place and they don't care if it continues to exist or not. They have no obligation to fight to protect such a state. The IDF has no manpower problems and literally the only reason anyone wants a haredi draft is to turn haredi boys into secular Zionists and thereby destroy haredi society.

    Also, while it is true that military service is mandatory for all Israeli Jews, combat service is not. You can easily serve your entire term as a mechanic, cook, writer or whatever. So even if the haredim were drafted (which will never happen, it would cause a civil war) the haredim still wouldn't be helping defend Israel. All that would happen is they would get some free job training because no haredi would ever volunteer to join a combat unit.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @German_reader

    Why are your comments about Israel, always writing many facts backwards? At least this time, you seemed to write some of the sentences which are not backwards, like the employment rate of Haredi women is higher than Haredi men, although it is 70-80%.

    military service is mandatory for all Israeli Jews,

    It’s not mandatory for religious Jews. Religious national men have less exemption and the women also have the famous national service program for the datit women instead of the army. The religious women often working voluntary jobs, often with Arab populations etc.

    only reason anyone wants a haredi draft is to turn haredi boys into secular Zionists and thereby destroy haredi

    This is obviously not true, as they try to follow all the crazy religious requirements of the Haredi soldiers, even preventing interaction of Haredi soldiers with women while they are in the army. They had to build special institutional basis for the Haredi soldiers.

    no haredi would ever volunteer to join a combat unit.

    Lol how can avoid knowing the famous story of Haredi combat units, it’s one of the most famous and regular journalists’ stories about Israel.

    They are usually the academic or social rejects of the Haredi society.

    Often they are rejected by their family, beaten when they visit their own community, have difficulty to be married etc. It’s more from the Middle Eastern Haredim.

    The numbers could be lower than the Bedouin soldiers, but Haredim combat soldiers need separate institutions from the normal soldiers because they have so many religious rules.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8BRyNyY0A0.

  52. German_reader says:
    @Greasy William
    @German_reader


    Haredis come across as quite parasitical (dodging military service, devoting themselves to useless, obscurantist studies)
     
    Pretty much all haredi women work, as do 40% of the men. The number of men in the workforce would be much higher had secular Israel not started bribing them to join their coalitions in the 1980's. Before then, 80% of haredi men worked.

    I agree haredi men should work but serving in the IDF is out of the question. The haredim never asked for the state to be created in the first place and they don't care if it continues to exist or not. They have no obligation to fight to protect such a state. The IDF has no manpower problems and literally the only reason anyone wants a haredi draft is to turn haredi boys into secular Zionists and thereby destroy haredi society.

    Also, while it is true that military service is mandatory for all Israeli Jews, combat service is not. You can easily serve your entire term as a mechanic, cook, writer or whatever. So even if the haredim were drafted (which will never happen, it would cause a civil war) the haredim still wouldn't be helping defend Israel. All that would happen is they would get some free job training because no haredi would ever volunteer to join a combat unit.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @German_reader

    They don’t want to serve in the army, not even as medics or ambulance drivers, but would start a civil war if their privileges were questioned? That’s some fucked-up level of entitlement and selfishness.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    The haredim have repeatedly said that they are fine with the Israeli gov cutting off all their funds, but that they will not serve in such a government. Seems a pretty reasonable position. And for the record, about half of the votes for the haredi parties come from "secular" (not really; it's actually either working class Mizrachi or Arab(long story)) Israelis.

    As for serving in the army, if the state attempts to put tens or even hundreds of thousands of haredim in prison, along with all of the communities spiritual leaders, yes that would cause a civil war. I suspect the same could be said for any other community anywhere else in the world.

    , @AaronB
    @German_reader

    The best way to look at the Haredim is as a medieval order of monks, who serve society in other ways - through unceasing prayer and study of scripture. In their view, this is more important than actual military service and sustains the existence of Jewish society.

    I'm not actually against this idea, but they have no right to "demand" subsidies that are not willingly given by secular Jews who see no value in their activities, and they differ from monks by not being composed of volunteers, but of people born into the order, who have not been given a choice (anyone can leave, theoretically, but it's tough making such a drastic change for most of).

    On second thought, it brings up the general problem of whether it is fair and just for a state to monopolize access to all land and resources and then narrowly restrict access based on its own priorities. In other words the state monopolizes all productive land and then offers people a highly restricted set of activities in exchange for access, that may not reflect the individuals priorities or values (don't want to be a computer programmer? Starve).

    I was very briefly touching on this in my discussion with Silvio, but seem in the broader context of economics the Haredis may not be so wrong after all, now that I think about it. Of course, if Haredim refuse to do military service than they ought to accept the consequences of that, which is conquest by Arabs.

    Replies: @Beckow, @German_reader

  53. @silviosilver
    @Dmitry


    A lot of the Haredim hate Israel and some groups burn the flag.
     
    But what percentage of all Haredis are they?

    And do they intend to turn political control over to the Arabs? If not, their opposition to the state of Israel is probably some technical religious detail with little real world significance.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry, @A123

    And do they intend to turn political control over to the Arabs?

    It depends which group. Most haredim are non Zionist, not anti Zionist. The anti Zionist groups like Satmar and Neturi Karta would absolutely turn control of the state over the Arabs. Their theology holds that Mosiach cannot come until they do so.

    The other haredim, err…. I doubt it. I suspect their view towards the state of Israel would become much more positive once they were the ones actually running the place and when the only alternative was being slaughtered or expelled by the revenge minded Palestinians.

  54. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    Very grounded interview by Razib Khan with Samo Burja on the respective futures of Europe and Russia.
    Samo echoing Dmitry's "trash can of history" comments in his pessimistic opinion that, whatever the outcome, in the near future the Russia-Ukraine conflict won't be seen as much more consequential the world's powers than the Yugoslav Wars (his example).
    And equally downcast predictions of the Ukraine-Russia devolving into the 21st Century's own tedious and never-progressing version of the Israel-Palestine Conflict, with the rest of Europe dragging itself down with it, a continent of crabs and buckets.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiNfior6DPc&t=3651s&pp=ygUQc2FtbyBidXJqYSByYXppYg%3D%3D

    Replies: @German_reader

    Can’t watch the interview right now, but the comparison with the Yugoslav wars is absurd. Russia’s turn away from Europe and alignment with China plus the total subjection of the EU under American hegemony are a pretty big deal, even if this doesn’t go nuclear (far from certain).
    Razib’s an arrogant asshole btw with an absurdly overblown opinion of his own brilliance. Probably worth reading for the genetics, but not much else.

    • Agree: silviosilver
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    Russia’s turn away from Europe and alignment with China
     
    Do you think that there was ever any scenario where, in response to the West being friendlier towards Russia, Russia would have agreed to pursue a trade embargo against China in response to any Chinese aggression against China's neighbors, such as a Chinese attack against Taiwan? Or would that have been asking for too much from even a friendlier Russia?

    This is ultimately what I want to know: Whether AP is right that the time to separate Russia and China was back in the 1990s and that later it was already too late for this.

  55. German_reader says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William


    Judaism doesn’t allow homosexual acts.
     
    Depends which Judaism lol:

    https://forward.com/news/371280/how-rabbis-are-trying-to-make-the-conservative-movement-more-gay-friendly/

    "Your relationships and marriages are all cool, but please don't poke each other in the butt lol! Even though we allow opposite-sex couples and lesbians (strap-ons) to poke each other in the butts lol!"

    From Anatoly Crimeus* Karlin (Anatoly Krym* Karlin):

    Translated from trollspeak, the basic point is that the opinions of smart people are almost always correct, and even when they are wrong on the details (e.g. the more lurid prewar Western media tropes on Russia; race differences in IQ), they are correct on the generalities (e.g.…
     
    I guess that this means that Russia should not have tried to reintegrate Ukraine because both Russia's and Ukraine's cognitive elites were more hostile towards this idea than Russian and Ukrainian proles were, right?

    *Technically Krym translates to Crimea, but Krym is masculine while Crimea is feminine, hence Crimeus instead. I will begin referring to him as such due to his past Russian nationalism lol.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Should be Crimeum, AK is an object after all.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    I like Crimeus better since objects can't care about porcine suffering like AK does.

  56. @German_reader
    @Greasy William

    They don't want to serve in the army, not even as medics or ambulance drivers, but would start a civil war if their privileges were questioned? That's some fucked-up level of entitlement and selfishness.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @AaronB

    The haredim have repeatedly said that they are fine with the Israeli gov cutting off all their funds, but that they will not serve in such a government. Seems a pretty reasonable position. And for the record, about half of the votes for the haredi parties come from “secular” (not really; it’s actually either working class Mizrachi or Arab(long story)) Israelis.

    As for serving in the army, if the state attempts to put tens or even hundreds of thousands of haredim in prison, along with all of the communities spiritual leaders, yes that would cause a civil war. I suspect the same could be said for any other community anywhere else in the world.

  57. @silviosilver
    @Dmitry


    A lot of the Haredim hate Israel and some groups burn the flag.
     
    But what percentage of all Haredis are they?

    And do they intend to turn political control over to the Arabs? If not, their opposition to the state of Israel is probably some technical religious detail with little real world significance.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry, @A123

    Most of the Haredim would be technically opposed to Israel, maybe all of the non-Hasidic groups. Some of the Hassidic groups like Chabad are pro-Israel.

    Some of the Haredim really hate Israel and the ghettos like Mea Shearim traditionally have Palestinian flags on their streets. Israeli police often climb into the ghetto to remove the flags.

    But I think your comment is accurate, we couldn’t predict what is the real significance for such opaque cults.

    They are self-focused cults, without priorities outside their community. They are not Islamists, with interest about controlling the world outside their cults.

    Also unlike Muslims, the Haredim are pacifists.

    But what happens with large numbers of anti-modern inbreeding cults for a country? It’s an “interesting” experiment, historically untested if you can create a civilized country with these cults.

    Amish are 0,01% of the population of the USA. Haredim are already 130 times higher proportion of Israel’s population, than Amish of USA’s population. In a generation, they could be 300 times more.

    These are also opaque and mysterious group. One of their cult leaders is unhappy, and then thousands of their children sit in the road to close the country’s traffic.

    It’s not sure they will destroy Israel, but it’s understandable some Israelis are feeling of a zombie apocalypse. I guess there is also problem of police brutality against their protests.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEFUWwzIdco

  58. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ

    Should be Crimeum, AK is an object after all.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I like Crimeus better since objects can’t care about porcine suffering like AK does.

  59. @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    long-run due to greater economies of scale.

     

    Where is the evidence of the "greater economies of scale"?

    If "greater economies of scale" is important, then logical implication the EU should also add Africa, China and India to the EU. It will strengthen the EU in the long-run by "greater economies of scale". German Reader will become even more wealthy with these "greater economies of scale".

    Switzerland should just combine with Moldova, as Switzerland-Moldova will have "greater economies of scale" than failed country of Switzerland. Therefore, Switzerland's economy might be successful.

    Israel will become stronger by merging to Egypt and Jordan.

    Singapore should merge with Philippines, so Singapore will not be an economic failure anymore.


    guilt for the Ukraine War and pay reparations to Ukraine beforehand, along with likely reducing its level of corruption down to Polish levels.

     

    Which is an imaginary fantasy.

    economy is Germany’s size in PPP
     
    As Guriev says, PPP is completely irrelevant for international comparison of economic size. It's only designed to explain standard of living of individuals. The international comparison, is the nominal data.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    Switzerland should just combine with Moldova, as Switzerland-Moldova will have “greater economies of scale” than failed country of Switzerland. Therefore, Switzerland’s economy might be successful.

    No common border.

    Israel will become stronger by merging to Egypt and Jordan.

    Too dull and too culturally incompatible.

    Singapore should merge with Philippines, so Singapore will not be an economic failure anymore.

    Too dull.

    Which is an imaginary fantasy.

    If a more liberal and more conciliatory regime will come to power in Russia post-Putin (either immediately or eventually), then it’s not impossible.

  60. @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    Can't watch the interview right now, but the comparison with the Yugoslav wars is absurd. Russia's turn away from Europe and alignment with China plus the total subjection of the EU under American hegemony are a pretty big deal, even if this doesn't go nuclear (far from certain).
    Razib's an arrogant asshole btw with an absurdly overblown opinion of his own brilliance. Probably worth reading for the genetics, but not much else.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Russia’s turn away from Europe and alignment with China

    Do you think that there was ever any scenario where, in response to the West being friendlier towards Russia, Russia would have agreed to pursue a trade embargo against China in response to any Chinese aggression against China’s neighbors, such as a Chinese attack against Taiwan? Or would that have been asking for too much from even a friendlier Russia?

    This is ultimately what I want to know: Whether AP is right that the time to separate Russia and China was back in the 1990s and that later it was already too late for this.

  61. @Mr. XYZ
    From Anatoly Karlin:

    Morality is defined by wherever elite human capital is trending, and the sooner you make your peace with that, the happier you will be. 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🥦🏴🌐

    Indeed, unless one makes a grift of resisting or lampooning it (that's fine), it's otherwise profitable to actively front-run it. 💯

     

    So, Communism was moral back when elite human capital supported it?

    Elite human capital opposes r*ghtoids of all flavors, that includes American/Western Supremacism.
     
    Plenty of Leftists are also Western Supremacists, at least insofar as Western Supremacism means supporting Ukraine against Russia and also EU and possibly NATO expansion into Ukraine. Supporting Ukraine in its war against Russia means supporting a larger, more powerful, and more influential West, after all.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts, @AaronB

    Perhaps AK is still an adherent of ‘Italian Elite Theory’. It has been trending in a modest way among NRx dissident rightoids for some time. History is the history of the circulation of elites; the masses are disorganised and passive, acting on purely emotive impulses until they are organised and formed by some elite.

    Italian elite theory has some amoral and Nietzschean (Machiavellian?) flavour but was produced by more systematic thinkers.

    In some way evoking it against rightoids is like criticising them for not being sophisticated enough and being limited in their reading or podcast playlists?

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts

    It is also the commonly held opinion in the Galkovsky's circles. It would be funny if AK agreed with such a pov, given his views on Galkovsky being an imbecile.

  62. @Greasy William
    @Yevardian


    Since true scum of the earth Naftali Bennet got elected to state leadership a few years ago it was just too much and I gave up on Israeli society generally, I couldn’t even read about it anymore.
     
    Bennett came to power with the help of the left wing parties with a coalition whose only purpose was to destroy the haredim. It failed completely and ended Bennett's career. You don't have to worry about ever seeing someone like Bennett in charge ever again.

    Under ordinary circumstances, regular Israelis would rather have nothing to do with the occupied territories, stay behind their ‘Security Wall’ and leave it at that
     
    There are no "regular Israelis". There is the secular middle class, who clearly think of themselves as "regular Israelis" but they are vastly outnumbered by haredim, national religious, working class Mizrahim and Arabs. It is, AFAIK, the only case in history where a group that is about 35% of the population regards itself as the majority. Or maybe they just do math differently over there.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    There are no “regular Israelis”. There is the secular middle class, who clearly think of themselves as “regular Israelis” but they are vastly outnumbered by haredim, national religious, working class Mizrahim and Arabs. It is, AFAIK, the only case in history where a group that is about 35% of the population regards itself as the majority. Or maybe they just do math differently over there.

    Well, maybe. But Secular Ashkenazim are the reason why Israel exists, the people who built the country, revived the Hebrew language, have run all its governments, and are still the only really productive demographic in the entire country.

    Its worth reading Jewish internal dialogue on Israel during the late 80s and early 90s, before the mass migration from the USSR restored Ashkenazi cultural predominance from the verge of becoming eclipsed (and even then it the assimilation process was extremely botched, with such gross incompetence many even moved back to the ex-USSR), there was real panic in Israeli society about the state of the country, not even connected to by-then largely imaginary Arab threat (the intifada had not yet started).

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Yevardian

    Check out this guy, one Amir Hetsroni. He is very worked up about Israel's transformation.

    youtube 4iqzCnm-gCM

    Some choice comments beginning at 31 minutes.


    tl;dr

    - wishes "Palestine" had become part of the UK rather than seeking Israeli independence
    - hates Mizrahi culture and wishes they had never arrived (elsewhere I've heard him say "this country wasn't made for you")
    - says it would have been better if, "like in Herzl's Europe," everybody [in Israel] were white, everybody speaking German
    - the interviewer tells him his wife is Yemeni Jew; Hetsroni: "How low can you go?!?"

    Unfortunately, in a thousand other ways he is a standard leftist degenerate idiot, and mostly gives evasive answers.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

  63. @Pixo
    @German_reader

    There are volunteers from at least 20 White nations defending Free Christian Europe against Putin’s Islamo-Oriental hordes and prison-recruited rapist-mercenaries.

    Good for them!

    https://assets.deutschlandfunk.de/1fbcc4b0-c8fd-45b7-9771-fe2f8e10fd98/1280x720.jpg?t=1663058502356

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya, @Derer

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    I thought the Crimeans were with the Russians?

    Replies: @Yahya

  64. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    From Anatoly Karlin:

    Morality is defined by wherever elite human capital is trending, and the sooner you make your peace with that, the happier you will be. 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🥦🏴🌐

    Indeed, unless one makes a grift of resisting or lampooning it (that's fine), it's otherwise profitable to actively front-run it. 💯

     

    So, Communism was moral back when elite human capital supported it?

    Elite human capital opposes r*ghtoids of all flavors, that includes American/Western Supremacism.
     
    Plenty of Leftists are also Western Supremacists, at least insofar as Western Supremacism means supporting Ukraine against Russia and also EU and possibly NATO expansion into Ukraine. Supporting Ukraine in its war against Russia means supporting a larger, more powerful, and more influential West, after all.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Coconuts, @AaronB

    He’s just articulating the nihilistic logic of secularism and atheism. He should be applauded for being honest about it. Dmitry would say the exact same thing if he had more honesty and courage – it’s the implicit background of everything he writes.

    Karlin is playing a Nietzsche-like role, in that he’s “lifting the lid” so to speak on modern middle class culture and peering inside, saying aloud what is supposed to be hush hush.

    This kind of thinking stretches back to the Middle Ages and ushered in the modern period, the idea that the good isn’t intrinsic but just whatever God happens to wants – the elites playing the role of God for Karlin, of course. It’s basically the worship of Power.

    Even though it seems like Karlin has changed, he’s never claimed to have any principle other than Power. Many immature people make the mistake of thinking hyper-macho posturing is power, when it is a sign of decadence, so his initial support for Russia was unsurprising. But Karlin was honest enough to learn that macho posturing indicates weakness and change course. Many people still think Macho Islam or someone like Sher Singh represent power rather than decadence, and never advance beyond that.

    But Karlin has remained consistent throughout his morphology and has always worshipped the same principle wherever he felt it was best expressed.

    I’m actually super impressed with how honest and consistent Karlin is willing to be, without any of the hypocrisies or compromises or incoherencies and r halfway-houses of most secular atheists, and I’m curious where his journey will take him personally. He’s willing to follow the logic of modernity to the end.

    As a society, I think the nihilistic worship of Power is leading to self-destruction, and I wonder if Karlin will save himself from the shipwreck or go down with the boat.

    A curious case, Karlin, and I’ll continue watching.

  65. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    There are two countries today that have historically made monumental and unique contributions to world culture, Iran and China, but under their current configurations and under their current regimes are obviously incapable of producing anything of cultural significance.

    By 2050 it's entirely possible that the current Chinese regime, which is Legalist, will be replaced by a regime more inspired by the philosophy traditionally associated with cultural efflorescence in China, as in the Tang period - I mean, of course, Taoism.

    Nothing good ever comes from China unless China is under significant Taoist influence, and traditionally Legalist regimes are the shortest lasting and the most culturally sterile, for obvious reasons, and China's current Legalist regime shows signs of serious strain, as is inevitable when you try and suppress the human spirit.

    It will be fascinating to see how the Chinese develop in new directions the most fruitful aspects of their traditional culture, when finally given the chance to resume their old ways again, and it will be a great benefit to the entire world.

    As for Iran, here is a passage from one of my favorite travel writer's recent book, the wonderful Pico Iyer -


    Yet many of Iran’s citizens were still known for the remarkably refined and sensuous versions of an earthly paradise they fashioned behind closed doors.

    The turbaned clerics, as they saw it, were ruthless politicians pursuing worldly ends under the guise of religion; the only pleasures that could be enjoyed in such a system lay in romance and intoxicants, the latest luxuries from abroad.

    And both secular and religious souls, confoundingly, continued to turn for support to the Sufi poems that Iranian schoolchildren, to this day, learn by heart.

    Those mystical verses traffic in the language of the everyday—roses and nightingales and wine—if only to evoke a far deeper romance with the divine. Turning wordlessly in circles, Islamic dervishes incarnate a truth beyond doctrine and analysis.
     

    We forget how many of Islam's greatest poets and Sufis were Persian, Rumi, Hafiz, etc.

    A country with such people still has an interesting cultural future ahead of it, even if it currently languishes under a sterile tyranny.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Yahya, @songbird

    Iran and China, but under their current configurations and under their current regimes are obviously incapable of producing anything of cultural significance.

    Exaggerate much?

    I think this statement is a mere reflection of your political bias.

    Iran has produced some worthy cultural goods over the previous half-century.

    ——

    ——

    It could’ve been higher under a monarchic or democratic counterfactual, but that’s not to say nothing was produced.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Yahya

    Sure, I just meant nothing like the contribution they could be making, and perhaps will again. China also has some excellent cultural output, but it's quite low based on its history and what it can, and hopefully will, make once again.

    The Blind Owl comes highly recommend by David Bentley Hart, and is on my reading list.

  66. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @German_reader
    @Greasy William

    They don't want to serve in the army, not even as medics or ambulance drivers, but would start a civil war if their privileges were questioned? That's some fucked-up level of entitlement and selfishness.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @AaronB

    The best way to look at the Haredim is as a medieval order of monks, who serve society in other ways – through unceasing prayer and study of scripture. In their view, this is more important than actual military service and sustains the existence of Jewish society.

    I’m not actually against this idea, but they have no right to “demand” subsidies that are not willingly given by secular Jews who see no value in their activities, and they differ from monks by not being composed of volunteers, but of people born into the order, who have not been given a choice (anyone can leave, theoretically, but it’s tough making such a drastic change for most of).

    On second thought, it brings up the general problem of whether it is fair and just for a state to monopolize access to all land and resources and then narrowly restrict access based on its own priorities. In other words the state monopolizes all productive land and then offers people a highly restricted set of activities in exchange for access, that may not reflect the individuals priorities or values (don’t want to be a computer programmer? Starve).

    I was very briefly touching on this in my discussion with Silvio, but seem in the broader context of economics the Haredis may not be so wrong after all, now that I think about it. Of course, if Haredim refuse to do military service than they ought to accept the consequences of that, which is conquest by Arabs.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AaronB


    ...Haredim is as a medieval order of monks
     
    There were always different kind of monks, but Haredim combine a few peculiar characteristics with being born into it, non-militant, willfully living of the surrounding society, etc...In a wealthy society there is no harm in it, but it looks parasitical.

    The constant mantra "you must work!" makes little sense in the modern economy where most work has no productive value - or even minus value. Does anyone need more salesmen of sh..t or more chair warmers to circulate 'messages' and stare at slides for the next 'project'? Of course not, it is a game, an elaborate work dance we have invented not to collapse into sloth and idleness. But the actual economy doesn't need at least half of the so called 'workers'...they are there to have a structure in their lives and to consume.

    If Israel would turn the Haredis' head-bobbing 'study of texts' into an economic good they could reward it as just another economic activity - how would that be any different from people living off attending 'diversity seminars', selling sh.t online, cold-calling customers who don't care to be customers, or even tracking 'security risks' online? We live in a post-work world and the Haredis are simply more open about it...:).

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @German_reader
    @AaronB

    Monks have neither sex (apart maybe from illicit homo sex) nor children (unless they already had a family before taking vows), so this is a very imperfect analogy.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @AaronB, @John Johnson

  67. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Yahya
    @AaronB


    Iran and China, but under their current configurations and under their current regimes are obviously incapable of producing anything of cultural significance.
     
    Exaggerate much?

    I think this statement is a mere reflection of your political bias.

    Iran has produced some worthy cultural goods over the previous half-century.

    https://youtu.be/58Onuy5USTc

    ——

    https://youtu.be/LcU3UsJD-0Y

    ——

    https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Owl-Sadegh-Hedayat/dp/0802144284


    It could’ve been higher under a monarchic or democratic counterfactual, but that’s not to say nothing was produced.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Sure, I just meant nothing like the contribution they could be making, and perhaps will again. China also has some excellent cultural output, but it’s quite low based on its history and what it can, and hopefully will, make once again.

    The Blind Owl comes highly recommend by David Bentley Hart, and is on my reading list.

  68. @Yevardian
    @Greasy William


    There are no “regular Israelis”. There is the secular middle class, who clearly think of themselves as “regular Israelis” but they are vastly outnumbered by haredim, national religious, working class Mizrahim and Arabs. It is, AFAIK, the only case in history where a group that is about 35% of the population regards itself as the majority. Or maybe they just do math differently over there.
     
    Well, maybe. But Secular Ashkenazim are the reason why Israel exists, the people who built the country, revived the Hebrew language, have run all its governments, and are still the only really productive demographic in the entire country.

    Its worth reading Jewish internal dialogue on Israel during the late 80s and early 90s, before the mass migration from the USSR restored Ashkenazi cultural predominance from the verge of becoming eclipsed (and even then it the assimilation process was extremely botched, with such gross incompetence many even moved back to the ex-USSR), there was real panic in Israeli society about the state of the country, not even connected to by-then largely imaginary Arab threat (the intifada had not yet started).

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Check out this guy, one Amir Hetsroni. He is very worked up about Israel’s transformation.

    youtube 4iqzCnm-gCM

    Some choice comments beginning at 31 minutes.

    tl;dr

    – wishes “Palestine” had become part of the UK rather than seeking Israeli independence
    – hates Mizrahi culture and wishes they had never arrived (elsewhere I’ve heard him say “this country wasn’t made for you”)
    – says it would have been better if, “like in Herzl’s Europe,” everybody [in Israel] were white, everybody speaking German
    – the interviewer tells him his wife is Yemeni Jew; Hetsroni: “How low can you go?!?”

    Unfortunately, in a thousand other ways he is a standard leftist degenerate idiot, and mostly gives evasive answers.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @silviosilver


    – says it would have been better if, “like in Herzl’s Europe,” everybody [in Israel] were white, everybody speaking German
     
    Based. An exclusivist Ashkenazi Israel would’ve been a Middle Eastern outpost of Mitteleuropa, with a more functional governance and intellectual culture. Mizrahi redneck culture has depressed Israel’s cultural productivity way below their intellectual capacity.

    OTOH, Mizrahim keep Israel grounded. A substantial portion of the Ashkenazim have already cucked.

    A Faustian bargain.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @silviosilver

    The best way to get forever rid of the Jewish Question, would be to isolate the Goyim from the Chosen People and let the Chosen People sort it out among themselves. Ideally in Madagascar. The results would be interesting to watch from afar. Unfortunately, most Jews would prefer not being part of the experiment.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Dmitry
    @silviosilver


    out this guy,
     
    That's a kind of troll or comedian.

    He says anti-Moroccan racists views and he jokes about himself.

    Then Moroccans hits him with a chair and he cries and is more racist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3vbCO1g_FQ

    Then the media in Israel laughs about it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f73WIPG9ZmM

    -


    If you ignore all the Israel-Palestinian violence, the country feels like quite organized, liberal place. Maybe not so different than New Zealand or Canada etc.

    But unlike New Zealand or Canada, the population in Israel are not sophisticated anglosaxons, but simple rednecks. Beating the nerds is kind of national hobby.

    I guess Hetsroni is an example of someone who is choosing to be a kind of role, because it gives him attention.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver

    LOL:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Hetsroni

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iqzCnm-gCM

    There are trolls, but he's an example of what I describe as a trollolol.

  69. @silviosilver
    @Yevardian

    Check out this guy, one Amir Hetsroni. He is very worked up about Israel's transformation.

    youtube 4iqzCnm-gCM

    Some choice comments beginning at 31 minutes.


    tl;dr

    - wishes "Palestine" had become part of the UK rather than seeking Israeli independence
    - hates Mizrahi culture and wishes they had never arrived (elsewhere I've heard him say "this country wasn't made for you")
    - says it would have been better if, "like in Herzl's Europe," everybody [in Israel] were white, everybody speaking German
    - the interviewer tells him his wife is Yemeni Jew; Hetsroni: "How low can you go?!?"

    Unfortunately, in a thousand other ways he is a standard leftist degenerate idiot, and mostly gives evasive answers.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

    – says it would have been better if, “like in Herzl’s Europe,” everybody [in Israel] were white, everybody speaking German

    Based. An exclusivist Ashkenazi Israel would’ve been a Middle Eastern outpost of Mitteleuropa, with a more functional governance and intellectual culture. Mizrahi redneck culture has depressed Israel’s cultural productivity way below their intellectual capacity.

    OTOH, Mizrahim keep Israel grounded. A substantial portion of the Ashkenazim have already cucked.

    A Faustian bargain.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Yahya

    I think you're wrong about this.

    The Ashkenazi who went to Israel were hard, stern, Spartan, men, who carried with them a vision of Zionism that was militaristic and agricultural and was an explicit attempt to depart from the intellectual culture of diaspora Jewry and develop a more "physical" Jew. They succeeded quite well, and have significantly lower IQs than diaspora Jewry, although high by world standards.

    Such men would not have created a high artistic culture. The recent cultural "softening" of Israel, the explosion in excellent cuisine and general softening of its Spartan contours and increase in quality of life, is the result of the recent greater prominence of the Sephardic community, affecting also the Ashkenazim.

    In the future, some new cultural fusion is arising based on disparate elements, which is always the precondition - although not the sufficient condition - for a new and interesting cultural efflorescence.

    That is, if the recent religious and right wing turn doesn't nip things in the bud and make Israel a boring appenage of conservative Arab countries. (Well, the whole region needs a revitalization).

    Replies: @RSDB

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya

    There weren't enough Ashkenazim post-WWII for an exclusively Ashkenazi Israel. Hitler had murdered six million of them, after all, and the Soviet Union did not open its doors for its own surviving 2+ million Ashkenazim until decades later.

  70. @Coconuts
    @Mr. XYZ

    Perhaps AK is still an adherent of 'Italian Elite Theory'. It has been trending in a modest way among NRx dissident rightoids for some time. History is the history of the circulation of elites; the masses are disorganised and passive, acting on purely emotive impulses until they are organised and formed by some elite.

    Italian elite theory has some amoral and Nietzschean (Machiavellian?) flavour but was produced by more systematic thinkers.

    In some way evoking it against rightoids is like criticising them for not being sophisticated enough and being limited in their reading or podcast playlists?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    It is also the commonly held opinion in the Galkovsky’s circles. It would be funny if AK agreed with such a pov, given his views on Galkovsky being an imbecile.

  71. @silviosilver
    @Yevardian

    Check out this guy, one Amir Hetsroni. He is very worked up about Israel's transformation.

    youtube 4iqzCnm-gCM

    Some choice comments beginning at 31 minutes.


    tl;dr

    - wishes "Palestine" had become part of the UK rather than seeking Israeli independence
    - hates Mizrahi culture and wishes they had never arrived (elsewhere I've heard him say "this country wasn't made for you")
    - says it would have been better if, "like in Herzl's Europe," everybody [in Israel] were white, everybody speaking German
    - the interviewer tells him his wife is Yemeni Jew; Hetsroni: "How low can you go?!?"

    Unfortunately, in a thousand other ways he is a standard leftist degenerate idiot, and mostly gives evasive answers.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

    The best way to get forever rid of the Jewish Question, would be to isolate the Goyim from the Chosen People and let the Chosen People sort it out among themselves. Ideally in Madagascar. The results would be interesting to watch from afar. Unfortunately, most Jews would prefer not being part of the experiment.

    • Troll: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool


    Ideally in Madagascar
     
    The problem with Madagascar (or Birobidzhan) is it lacks a natural pull factor. At least with Israel, even if they don't want to go, the historical association makes it a live option for them.
  72. The best way to get forever rid of the Jewish Question, would be to isolate the Goyim from the Chosen People and let the Chosen People sort it out among themselves. Ideally in Madagascar.

    Papuas blet.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  73. @Greasy William
    @AaronB

    The problem with Iran is in their DNA, not their system of government. Junk people produce junk societies.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Old Brown Fool, @Ivashka the fool

    Cyrus the Great was the founder of the Achaemenid Empire and king of Persia from 559 to 530 BC. He is venerated in the Hebrew Bible as Cyrus the Messiah for conquering Babylon and liberating the Jews from captivity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible

    A number of the Aramaic papyri document the Jewish community among soldiers stationed at Elephantine under Achaemenid rule, 495–399 BCE. The so-called “Passover Letter” of 419 BCE (discovered in 1907), which appears to give instructions for the observance of the Festival of Unleavened Bread (though Passover itself is not mentioned in the extant text), is in the Egyptian Museum of Berlin.

    The standard reference collection of the Aramaic documents from Elephantine is the Textbook of Aramaic Documents from Ancient Egypt.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantine_papyri_and_ostraca

    Translation- Because the papyrus is so fragmentary, the reconstructions offered here should be considered conjectural, especially the italicized portions of text-

    [To my brothers, Ye]daniah and his colleagues the Jewish ga[rrison,] your brother Hanan[i]ah. May God/the gods [seek after] the welfare of my brothers [at all times.] And now, this year, year 5 of King Darius, it has been sent from the king to Arsa[mes ……… …]

    Now, you thus count four[teen days in Nisan and on the 14th at twilight ob]serve [the Passover] and from the 15th day until the 21st day of [Nisan observe the Festival of Unleavened Bread. Seven days eat unleavened bread. Now,] be pure and take heed. [Do] n[ot do] work [on the 15th day and on the 21st day of Nisan.] Do not drink [any fermented drink. And do] not [eat] anything of leaven [nor let it be seen in your houses from the 14th day of Nisan at] sunset until the 21st day of Nisa[n at sunset. And b]ring into your chambers [any leaven which you have in your houses] and seal (them) up during [these] days. …

    [To] my brothers, Yedaniah and his colleagues the Jewish garrison, your brother Hananiah s[on of ??].

    https://cojs.org/the_passover_papyrus_from_elephantine-_419_bce/

    There would probably be no Jews left today without the Persian friendly and loving help. Of course nobody expects some gratitude from the Jewish people. When the time is right they always switch sides and do some backstabbing against those who helped and protected them. This is a recurring historical pattern.

    Also, for an anti-American Jew, you are still typically ignorant of the historical context as most Americans are. That makes me think you are just a disgruntled American. Perhaps you should come to terms with your American personality, fuse it harmoniously with your Jewishness, embrace some funny Haredi cult (the Na-nach would do), get married and live a happy life fathering a dozen children and dying a respected patriarch?

    • Agree: Yahya
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool


    There would probably be no Jews left today without the Persian friendly and loving help. Of course nobody expects some gratitude from the Jewish people. When the time is right they always switch sides and do some backstabbing against those who helped and protected them. This is a recurring historical pattern.
     
    I remember some comment on this site that said in five hundred years, they'll be saying they were captives in New York. I can't say I agree, but it does have the air of believability to it.

    embrace some funny Haredi cult (the Na-nach would do)
     
    Lol. There was a Jewish apostate to Christianity who used to post at Unz, a real weirdo going by the name "Mevashir," who was a follower of Rabbi Nachman. Maybe the Nachman cult attracts a lot of weirdos.

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    There would probably be no Jews left today without the Persian [Cyrus] friendly and loving help.
     
    There's a lot of symbolism on the Israeli minted coin below celebrating Cyrus and Trump standing side by side.

    The image of the Temple Menorah, the official state emblem of a modern restored Israel, is taken straight from the Arch of Titus where it was depicted as a trophy held aloft by Roman legionnaires.

    Some have compared Trump to a modern day Cyrus, though I find the more interesting comparison of Trump is with 'Rome's richest man', the Roman billionaire and real estate speculator, Marcus Crassus.

    Crassus was a member of Rome's First Triumvirate, the informal political alliance which had once ruled Rome and which, after Crassus' untimely death, ultimately devolved into a civil war between it's surviving members, ie the Roman general Pompey and Crassus's political protege, the up and coming Julius Caesar.

    Rome's First Triumvirate in turn has it's uncanny close parallels with the present day New Rome's (US) Donald Trump, Mike Pompeo, and Trump's political protege, Jared Kushner.

    https://www.israel365news.com/321845/sanhedrin-temple-movement-issue-silver-half-shekel-images-trump-cyrus/

    https://www.wnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/trump-cyrus-coin-mikdash-educational-center-600.jpg
    , @Greasy William
    @Ivashka the fool

    The Iranian people never helped out the Jews, Cyrus did. That's one guy, not an entire nation. On the contrary, the Iranian people wanted to kill the Jews but Cyrus stopped them. That's the whole point of the Purim story. Jews and Iranians have always been enemies and this has always been acknowledged until Israel was created and people suddenly decided that actually they really were always BFF's.

    For my own sake, I try not to hate anyone (except for white liberals, but that doesn't count as white liberals are subhumans who should all be dead), however, I really dislike Iranians and Lebanese. And in both cases it isn't just the antisemitism. Antisemitism by itself usually doesn't bother me. What bothers me about Iranians and Lebanese is the combination of antisemitism with unreal levels of arrogance and a totally unjustified sense of superiority.

    The Iranians and Lebanese are both extremely primitive and stupid peoples. Their countries are absolute garbage and always have been. When Solemaini was assassinated, the Iranian response was to shoot down one of their own airliners, killing 300 of their own people. Then they trampled 80 people to death at Solemaini's funeral. This is primitive behavior that you only see in third world countries and you saw it because the Iranians are a third world people.

    We know form Nazi communications that the Iranians were the non German nation that was most sympathetic to Nazism. The Iranians responded far more favorably to Nazism than even the Arabs did, which is saying a lot because the Arabs themselves were huge fans of Nazism.

    You can tell a lot about a people by who hates them and who admires them. I have never seen an antisemite who didn't absolutely love Iranians, to the point of regarding them as some sort of master race. And it's simply not true. Iranians are morons and just because they have managed to make better drones than Turkey and keep their fleet of F-17s flying through a mixture of cannibalization of existing stocks, smuggling and knock off parts from Russia and China (as Iranians themselves are too stupid to make replacement parts for a 1960s aircraft) doesn't change that. Also, they got absolutely waxed by Saddam in their war and the cowardly Iranians were expecting the international community to bail them out. Once they saw that wouldn't happen they folded like the impotent cowards they always have been.

    I don't even like Iranian Jews, if I'm being honest. They have debased Iranian blood.

    Despite all this, I still support Iran against the United States. I simply cannot make myself support the US. Death to America.

    ...

    Re MarbledSteaks comment about Amalek: Amalek is a spiritual lineage, not a physical one. Hasidic tradition held long before Hitler was even in politics that an Amalekite would eventually rule Germany. Any Kabbalist will tell you that those hung at Nuremberg were Haman's reincarnated sons (Goering was the reincarnation of Haman's daughter). This is hardly new stuff.

    Replies: @Yahya, @AaronB, @Ivashka the fool

  74. Short modern brilliance, Jonathan Swift would be jealous;)

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  75. A123 says: • Website
    @silviosilver
    @Dmitry


    A lot of the Haredim hate Israel and some groups burn the flag.
     
    But what percentage of all Haredis are they?

    And do they intend to turn political control over to the Arabs? If not, their opposition to the state of Israel is probably some technical religious detail with little real world significance.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry, @A123


    A lot of the Haredim hate Israel and some groups burn the flag.

    But what percentage of all Haredis are they?

    And do they intend to turn political control over to the Arabs? If not, their opposition to the state of Israel is probably some technical religious detail with little real world significance

    I concur. It is a really fringe, technical concept with little significance.

    If they were actually against the nation of Israel, why would they voluntarily migrate there? Why do they stay? Even if they do not personally want to be government officials they clearly respect the system.

    Look at the huge pro government assemblies supporting necessary judicial reforms. Big hats and Israeli flags are both visible.
    ____

    I find use of the term pacifist to be odd. Staying out of the IDF does not equal pacifism. While there may be some true “Amish style” pacifists, these must be the exception.

    The indigenous Jews of Judea are in long term conflict with the Muslim occupiers. Trying to undo 1,400 years of land theft requires assertiveness.

    PEACE 😇

  76. @Greasy William
    I am seriously confused by these EE right wingers who are backing Ukraine. I can understand why right wing Ukrainians back their government (even though I personally would enthusiastically collaborate with a Russian invasion of the USA) but why are right wing Poles and Balts supporting Ukraine? Don't they see that the West is only funding and supplying this war to spread LGBT?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sleep

    • LOL: silviosilver
    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    LOL - what about the false dilemma for some non-event of a country ( Litva) of "either we elect a KGB butch lesbian/ some American geriatric 1940's Nazi diaspora scumbag as our President...........or we continue with 250 more years of being (easily) dominated by Russians"?

    How is that for a similar false dichotomy you ridiculous scumbag?

    I am not sure it's "right wing" though - high inflation like with the lowlife Baltic states, and the unprecedented state dictatorship of all 3 of the Baltic government shitholes into their economies since the SMO - completely anti-freemarket principles......normally are associated with left-wing politics.

    Also associated as right-wing ( fairly or not) is direct military intervention.......of course limp-wristed Lithuanian mercenaries have been near non-existant in 404, just as non-existent as their resistance to the Russian enlightenment from the late 1700s to 1991 - even white-red-white Belarus freaks have been far more involved in SMO! You could also call this "left-wing".

  77. @Old Brown Fool
    @Greasy William

    Iranians are also Aryans. Just reminding.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Greasy is an American Jew. He dislikes Iran because they are threatening Israel and because Persians are not easily dismissed as Arabs are. Modern day Iranian people are a mix of different populations, the Aryan component is rather limited. Turkic, Semitic and Elamite components are probably dominant compared to the Aryan. Aryianem Vaejah is somewhere else entirely, where exactly is hard to tell but most probably somewhere in the former USSR.

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
    @Ivashka the fool

    Yes. But Elamites have migrated out to India, and then to South India, IIRC.

    , @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Modern day Iranian people are a mix of different populations, the Aryan component is rather limited. Turkic, Semitic and Elamite components are probably dominant compared to the Aryan
     
    Perhaps, but Iran's former vice-minister of culture, Mohammad-Ali Ramin, has what is probably a very Scythian face:

    https://i0.wp.com/www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/Others/Ramin.jpg

    https://www.memri.org/sites/default/files/pic_clip/ramin.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ

  78. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:

    The Slavs are getting upset that we are not discussing their conflict 🙂

    Calm down Slavs, we will return to regular scheduled programming shortly.

    Dmitry, you should not have prefaced your introduction of topics relating to other cultures and the wider world by saying the Slav world is unimportant to humanity and Russia no more than a slightly larger Spain That was unkind and unworthy of you The Slavs are an integral part of humanity and we should cherish them and love them. All of humanity matters and has a unique contributions to make – and who knows what the Slav world might become once they overcome their current troubles and sub-optimal attitudes?

  79. Humor:

    [MORE]

    https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1665399859040464896?s=20

    https://twitter.com/dudeitsokay/status/1665416088925147136

  80. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Greasy William
    Iranians are Amalek. That nation is eternally accursed. That's why it's losing all of its water and why Iranians have stopped reproducing. All those hung at Nuremberg were reincarnated Iranians.

    Of course, it's better not to hate them and we shouldn't seek war with them (even though it's inevitable), but there is no point in us denying what they fundamentally are.

    Replies: @AaronB

    I know you are joking in your usual outre way, Greasy, but Amalek doesn’t actually exist, it’s just a spiritual allegory, and has traditionally been read that way.

    Don’t be a fundamentalist literalist Jew, like some Jewish Protestant 🙂 That’s a modern perversion.

    As for Iran, look, I get it, the place is a very dark place right now. Pico Iyer goes on to detail the corrosive paranoia and stifling oppression of modern Iran. All the most rotten people today admire Iran – look at the rest of this website.

    But it’s always important to distinguish between the people and their rulers, at least to some extent. And it’s always important to take the widest possible historical view and humanistic view.

    Ancient Persia made one of the most crucial contributions to world religion – Zoroastrianism had a huge influence on the Jews, and through them the Christians and Muslims. Persian dualism needed to be qualified and put into a larger context of unity, but it was an important deepening of monotheism.

    And according to Pico Iyer, paradise is a Persian invention. Perhaps, but they certainly made contributions to the development of that seminal concept.

  81. This one tweet debunks all anti-caste rhetoric.

    [MORE]

  82. Goyim awake ! This forum is being overtaken by the Jews ! Three Jews are discussing their Jewish/Isreali internal affairs on a Holocaust-deniers friendly website.

    Oy vey ! Oy gevalt !

    Ukrainians, please do something!

    Whignats, this is a call to arms!

    🙂

  83. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Yahya
    @silviosilver


    – says it would have been better if, “like in Herzl’s Europe,” everybody [in Israel] were white, everybody speaking German
     
    Based. An exclusivist Ashkenazi Israel would’ve been a Middle Eastern outpost of Mitteleuropa, with a more functional governance and intellectual culture. Mizrahi redneck culture has depressed Israel’s cultural productivity way below their intellectual capacity.

    OTOH, Mizrahim keep Israel grounded. A substantial portion of the Ashkenazim have already cucked.

    A Faustian bargain.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Mr. XYZ

    I think you’re wrong about this.

    The Ashkenazi who went to Israel were hard, stern, Spartan, men, who carried with them a vision of Zionism that was militaristic and agricultural and was an explicit attempt to depart from the intellectual culture of diaspora Jewry and develop a more “physical” Jew. They succeeded quite well, and have significantly lower IQs than diaspora Jewry, although high by world standards.

    Such men would not have created a high artistic culture. The recent cultural “softening” of Israel, the explosion in excellent cuisine and general softening of its Spartan contours and increase in quality of life, is the result of the recent greater prominence of the Sephardic community, affecting also the Ashkenazim.

    In the future, some new cultural fusion is arising based on disparate elements, which is always the precondition – although not the sufficient condition – for a new and interesting cultural efflorescence.

    That is, if the recent religious and right wing turn doesn’t nip things in the bud and make Israel a boring appenage of conservative Arab countries. (Well, the whole region needs a revitalization).

    • Replies: @RSDB
    @AaronB

    Ashkenazi Jews, or anyone else, will obviously produce more culture in a society where they are members of a small class apart. As Chesterton said in the 1920s, the success of the Zionist project depended (among other things) on whether the Jews could be content with being "failures":


    It is said again that the ancient Jews turned their enemies into hewers of wood and drawers of water. The modern Jews have to turn themselves into hewers of wood and drawers of water. If they cannot do that, they cannot turn themselves into citizens, but only into a kind of alien bureaucrats, of all kinds the most perilous and the most imperilled.
     

    Replies: @AaronB

  84. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    There are two countries today that have historically made monumental and unique contributions to world culture, Iran and China, but under their current configurations and under their current regimes are obviously incapable of producing anything of cultural significance.

    By 2050 it's entirely possible that the current Chinese regime, which is Legalist, will be replaced by a regime more inspired by the philosophy traditionally associated with cultural efflorescence in China, as in the Tang period - I mean, of course, Taoism.

    Nothing good ever comes from China unless China is under significant Taoist influence, and traditionally Legalist regimes are the shortest lasting and the most culturally sterile, for obvious reasons, and China's current Legalist regime shows signs of serious strain, as is inevitable when you try and suppress the human spirit.

    It will be fascinating to see how the Chinese develop in new directions the most fruitful aspects of their traditional culture, when finally given the chance to resume their old ways again, and it will be a great benefit to the entire world.

    As for Iran, here is a passage from one of my favorite travel writer's recent book, the wonderful Pico Iyer -


    Yet many of Iran’s citizens were still known for the remarkably refined and sensuous versions of an earthly paradise they fashioned behind closed doors.

    The turbaned clerics, as they saw it, were ruthless politicians pursuing worldly ends under the guise of religion; the only pleasures that could be enjoyed in such a system lay in romance and intoxicants, the latest luxuries from abroad.

    And both secular and religious souls, confoundingly, continued to turn for support to the Sufi poems that Iranian schoolchildren, to this day, learn by heart.

    Those mystical verses traffic in the language of the everyday—roses and nightingales and wine—if only to evoke a far deeper romance with the divine. Turning wordlessly in circles, Islamic dervishes incarnate a truth beyond doctrine and analysis.
     

    We forget how many of Islam's greatest poets and Sufis were Persian, Rumi, Hafiz, etc.

    A country with such people still has an interesting cultural future ahead of it, even if it currently languishes under a sterile tyranny.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Yahya, @songbird

    There are two countries today that have historically made monumental and unique contributions to world culture, Iran and China, but under their current configurations and under their current regimes are obviously incapable of producing anything of cultural significance

    .
    Have you sampled much Iranian culture?

    Except for the fact that it was very schmaltzy, I though “Children of Heaven” (1997) had an interesting anti-materialist message. Still the only Iranian movie I’ve seen.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @songbird

    Sadly, no.

    The Blind Owl recently came to my attention and it sounds excellent, and I will watch The Seperation too, as Yahya recommends.

    I was entranced by Pico Iyers recent discussion of his visit to Iran in his new book, although he does mention a dark side also. And of course the great Sufi poets and Rumi and Hafiz etc.

    I will look into Children of Heaven, thanks. Always interested in anti-materialistic art.

    I'm not surprised even the fanatical Mullahs cannot entirely suppress the Iranian spirit.

  85. @Ivashka the fool
    @Old Brown Fool

    Greasy is an American Jew. He dislikes Iran because they are threatening Israel and because Persians are not easily dismissed as Arabs are. Modern day Iranian people are a mix of different populations, the Aryan component is rather limited. Turkic, Semitic and Elamite components are probably dominant compared to the Aryan. Aryianem Vaejah is somewhere else entirely, where exactly is hard to tell but most probably somewhere in the former USSR.

    Replies: @Old Brown Fool, @AP

    Yes. But Elamites have migrated out to India, and then to South India, IIRC.

  86. Emil should review that Lex podcast about the “N-word.” I want the highlights.

  87. @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William


    Cyrus the Great was the founder of the Achaemenid Empire and king of Persia from 559 to 530 BC. He is venerated in the Hebrew Bible as Cyrus the Messiah for conquering Babylon and liberating the Jews from captivity.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible

    A number of the Aramaic papyri document the Jewish community among soldiers stationed at Elephantine under Achaemenid rule, 495–399 BCE. The so-called "Passover Letter" of 419 BCE (discovered in 1907), which appears to give instructions for the observance of the Festival of Unleavened Bread (though Passover itself is not mentioned in the extant text), is in the Egyptian Museum of Berlin.

    The standard reference collection of the Aramaic documents from Elephantine is the Textbook of Aramaic Documents from Ancient Egypt.[1]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantine_papyri_and_ostraca

    Translation- Because the papyrus is so fragmentary, the reconstructions offered here should be considered conjectural, especially the italicized portions of text-

    [To my brothers, Ye]daniah and his colleagues the Jewish ga[rrison,] your brother Hanan[i]ah. May God/the gods [seek after] the welfare of my brothers [at all times.] And now, this year, year 5 of King Darius, it has been sent from the king to Arsa[mes ……… …]

    Now, you thus count four[teen days in Nisan and on the 14th at twilight ob]serve [the Passover] and from the 15th day until the 21st day of [Nisan observe the Festival of Unleavened Bread. Seven days eat unleavened bread. Now,] be pure and take heed. [Do] n[ot do] work [on the 15th day and on the 21st day of Nisan.] Do not drink [any fermented drink. And do] not [eat] anything of leaven [nor let it be seen in your houses from the 14th day of Nisan at] sunset until the 21st day of Nisa[n at sunset. And b]ring into your chambers [any leaven which you have in your houses] and seal (them) up during [these] days. …

    [To] my brothers, Yedaniah and his colleagues the Jewish garrison, your brother Hananiah s[on of ??].
     
    https://cojs.org/the_passover_papyrus_from_elephantine-_419_bce/

    There would probably be no Jews left today without the Persian friendly and loving help. Of course nobody expects some gratitude from the Jewish people. When the time is right they always switch sides and do some backstabbing against those who helped and protected them. This is a recurring historical pattern.

    Also, for an anti-American Jew, you are still typically ignorant of the historical context as most Americans are. That makes me think you are just a disgruntled American. Perhaps you should come to terms with your American personality, fuse it harmoniously with your Jewishness, embrace some funny Haredi cult (the Na-nach would do), get married and live a happy life fathering a dozen children and dying a respected patriarch?

    https://youtu.be/gSoMvDJyp0w

    Replies: @silviosilver, @S, @Greasy William

    There would probably be no Jews left today without the Persian friendly and loving help. Of course nobody expects some gratitude from the Jewish people. When the time is right they always switch sides and do some backstabbing against those who helped and protected them. This is a recurring historical pattern.

    I remember some comment on this site that said in five hundred years, they’ll be saying they were captives in New York. I can’t say I agree, but it does have the air of believability to it.

    embrace some funny Haredi cult (the Na-nach would do)

    Lol. There was a Jewish apostate to Christianity who used to post at Unz, a real weirdo going by the name “Mevashir,” who was a follower of Rabbi Nachman. Maybe the Nachman cult attracts a lot of weirdos.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @silviosilver

    I certainly feel like I'm a captive in New York, and cannot wait till I find a Moses who will part the Red Sea for me to get out of here :)

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

  88. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @songbird
    @AaronB


    There are two countries today that have historically made monumental and unique contributions to world culture, Iran and China, but under their current configurations and under their current regimes are obviously incapable of producing anything of cultural significance
     
    .
    Have you sampled much Iranian culture?

    Except for the fact that it was very schmaltzy, I though "Children of Heaven" (1997) had an interesting anti-materialist message. Still the only Iranian movie I've seen.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Sadly, no.

    The Blind Owl recently came to my attention and it sounds excellent, and I will watch The Seperation too, as Yahya recommends.

    I was entranced by Pico Iyers recent discussion of his visit to Iran in his new book, although he does mention a dark side also. And of course the great Sufi poets and Rumi and Hafiz etc.

    I will look into Children of Heaven, thanks. Always interested in anti-materialistic art.

    I’m not surprised even the fanatical Mullahs cannot entirely suppress the Iranian spirit.

  89. @Ivashka the fool
    @silviosilver

    The best way to get forever rid of the Jewish Question, would be to isolate the Goyim from the Chosen People and let the Chosen People sort it out among themselves. Ideally in Madagascar. The results would be interesting to watch from afar. Unfortunately, most Jews would prefer not being part of the experiment.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Ideally in Madagascar

    The problem with Madagascar (or Birobidzhan) is it lacks a natural pull factor. At least with Israel, even if they don’t want to go, the historical association makes it a live option for them.

  90. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool


    There would probably be no Jews left today without the Persian friendly and loving help. Of course nobody expects some gratitude from the Jewish people. When the time is right they always switch sides and do some backstabbing against those who helped and protected them. This is a recurring historical pattern.
     
    I remember some comment on this site that said in five hundred years, they'll be saying they were captives in New York. I can't say I agree, but it does have the air of believability to it.

    embrace some funny Haredi cult (the Na-nach would do)
     
    Lol. There was a Jewish apostate to Christianity who used to post at Unz, a real weirdo going by the name "Mevashir," who was a follower of Rabbi Nachman. Maybe the Nachman cult attracts a lot of weirdos.

    Replies: @AaronB

    I certainly feel like I’m a captive in New York, and cannot wait till I find a Moses who will part the Red Sea for me to get out of here 🙂

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AaronB

    See, it's already starting.

    When your Moses comes along, you can be his Aaron (your mother was prescient). You've certainly got the gab for it.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    One of the funniest parts of My Dinner with Andre is him saying everybody claims they need to get out of New York.

    Do you have a black lives matter poster?

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AaronB

    You'll need to find a new an improved version though. The Atlantic Ocean is quite a bit wider than the Red Sea. :-)

    Glad to see that you're back. Put to rest your wandering shoes for a while, and have bid a farewell to the West (at least for now)?

    Replies: @AaronB

  91. RSDB says:
    @AaronB
    @Yahya

    I think you're wrong about this.

    The Ashkenazi who went to Israel were hard, stern, Spartan, men, who carried with them a vision of Zionism that was militaristic and agricultural and was an explicit attempt to depart from the intellectual culture of diaspora Jewry and develop a more "physical" Jew. They succeeded quite well, and have significantly lower IQs than diaspora Jewry, although high by world standards.

    Such men would not have created a high artistic culture. The recent cultural "softening" of Israel, the explosion in excellent cuisine and general softening of its Spartan contours and increase in quality of life, is the result of the recent greater prominence of the Sephardic community, affecting also the Ashkenazim.

    In the future, some new cultural fusion is arising based on disparate elements, which is always the precondition - although not the sufficient condition - for a new and interesting cultural efflorescence.

    That is, if the recent religious and right wing turn doesn't nip things in the bud and make Israel a boring appenage of conservative Arab countries. (Well, the whole region needs a revitalization).

    Replies: @RSDB

    Ashkenazi Jews, or anyone else, will obviously produce more culture in a society where they are members of a small class apart. As Chesterton said in the 1920s, the success of the Zionist project depended (among other things) on whether the Jews could be content with being “failures”:

    It is said again that the ancient Jews turned their enemies into hewers of wood and drawers of water. The modern Jews have to turn themselves into hewers of wood and drawers of water. If they cannot do that, they cannot turn themselves into citizens, but only into a kind of alien bureaucrats, of all kinds the most perilous and the most imperilled.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @AaronB
    @RSDB

    This ties into what Dmitry said about Arab Christians being the best academic performers in Israel and the question of the relationship of motivation to performance and IQ.

    Arab Christians are the Jews of Israel, surrounded by two larger and more aggressive groups, Jews and Muslims - and so are motivated to perform and prove themselves.

    The Druze, another minority, I think also surpass Israeli Jews in academic performance iirc. So there you go - minority status is a huge factor in motivation to perform.

    You feel the difference in Israeli and diaspora Jewish culture - Israeli Jews are much more relaxed, although they have their own intensity with the military situation, but it's different.

    Replies: @Yahya

  92. @AaronB
    @silviosilver

    I certainly feel like I'm a captive in New York, and cannot wait till I find a Moses who will part the Red Sea for me to get out of here :)

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    See, it’s already starting.

    When your Moses comes along, you can be his Aaron (your mother was prescient). You’ve certainly got the gab for it.

    • LOL: AaronB
  93. @AaronB
    @silviosilver

    I certainly feel like I'm a captive in New York, and cannot wait till I find a Moses who will part the Red Sea for me to get out of here :)

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    One of the funniest parts of My Dinner with Andre is him saying everybody claims they need to get out of New York.

    Do you have a black lives matter poster?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Do you have a black lives matter poster?
     
    I'm thinking of draping one over my car as I drive out West with my NY plates by the end of the week :)
  94. @AaronB
    @German_reader

    The best way to look at the Haredim is as a medieval order of monks, who serve society in other ways - through unceasing prayer and study of scripture. In their view, this is more important than actual military service and sustains the existence of Jewish society.

    I'm not actually against this idea, but they have no right to "demand" subsidies that are not willingly given by secular Jews who see no value in their activities, and they differ from monks by not being composed of volunteers, but of people born into the order, who have not been given a choice (anyone can leave, theoretically, but it's tough making such a drastic change for most of).

    On second thought, it brings up the general problem of whether it is fair and just for a state to monopolize access to all land and resources and then narrowly restrict access based on its own priorities. In other words the state monopolizes all productive land and then offers people a highly restricted set of activities in exchange for access, that may not reflect the individuals priorities or values (don't want to be a computer programmer? Starve).

    I was very briefly touching on this in my discussion with Silvio, but seem in the broader context of economics the Haredis may not be so wrong after all, now that I think about it. Of course, if Haredim refuse to do military service than they ought to accept the consequences of that, which is conquest by Arabs.

    Replies: @Beckow, @German_reader

    …Haredim is as a medieval order of monks

    There were always different kind of monks, but Haredim combine a few peculiar characteristics with being born into it, non-militant, willfully living of the surrounding society, etc…In a wealthy society there is no harm in it, but it looks parasitical.

    The constant mantra “you must work!” makes little sense in the modern economy where most work has no productive value – or even minus value. Does anyone need more salesmen of sh..t or more chair warmers to circulate ‘messages’ and stare at slides for the next ‘project’? Of course not, it is a game, an elaborate work dance we have invented not to collapse into sloth and idleness. But the actual economy doesn’t need at least half of the so called ‘workers’…they are there to have a structure in their lives and to consume.

    If Israel would turn the Haredis’ head-bobbing ‘study of texts‘ into an economic good they could reward it as just another economic activity – how would that be any different from people living off attending ‘diversity seminars‘, selling sh.t online, cold-calling customers who don’t care to be customers, or even tracking ‘security risks’ online? We live in a post-work world and the Haredis are simply more open about it…:).

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Thanks: Pixo
    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Beckow

    Great comment, I strongly agree. I've made similar arguments here before.

    Haredim are just pioneering Universal Basic Income (UBI) :) (Which Karlin approves of, btw, also)

    The problem with the Haredim is that they are arrogant and entitled, and quite large as a community - but I wonder if they framed their demands not as a unique dispensation to their special community but as part of a larger struggle for universal basic income for everyone as part of a general social justice movement, I wonder if they wouldn't enlist the sympathies of many secular left wing Israelis!

    In fact I think it'd be a genius marketing move, and the morally right thing also - them Israeli society can celebrate it's Haredim and not hate them.

  95. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William


    Cyrus the Great was the founder of the Achaemenid Empire and king of Persia from 559 to 530 BC. He is venerated in the Hebrew Bible as Cyrus the Messiah for conquering Babylon and liberating the Jews from captivity.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible

    A number of the Aramaic papyri document the Jewish community among soldiers stationed at Elephantine under Achaemenid rule, 495–399 BCE. The so-called "Passover Letter" of 419 BCE (discovered in 1907), which appears to give instructions for the observance of the Festival of Unleavened Bread (though Passover itself is not mentioned in the extant text), is in the Egyptian Museum of Berlin.

    The standard reference collection of the Aramaic documents from Elephantine is the Textbook of Aramaic Documents from Ancient Egypt.[1]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantine_papyri_and_ostraca

    Translation- Because the papyrus is so fragmentary, the reconstructions offered here should be considered conjectural, especially the italicized portions of text-

    [To my brothers, Ye]daniah and his colleagues the Jewish ga[rrison,] your brother Hanan[i]ah. May God/the gods [seek after] the welfare of my brothers [at all times.] And now, this year, year 5 of King Darius, it has been sent from the king to Arsa[mes ……… …]

    Now, you thus count four[teen days in Nisan and on the 14th at twilight ob]serve [the Passover] and from the 15th day until the 21st day of [Nisan observe the Festival of Unleavened Bread. Seven days eat unleavened bread. Now,] be pure and take heed. [Do] n[ot do] work [on the 15th day and on the 21st day of Nisan.] Do not drink [any fermented drink. And do] not [eat] anything of leaven [nor let it be seen in your houses from the 14th day of Nisan at] sunset until the 21st day of Nisa[n at sunset. And b]ring into your chambers [any leaven which you have in your houses] and seal (them) up during [these] days. …

    [To] my brothers, Yedaniah and his colleagues the Jewish garrison, your brother Hananiah s[on of ??].
     
    https://cojs.org/the_passover_papyrus_from_elephantine-_419_bce/

    There would probably be no Jews left today without the Persian friendly and loving help. Of course nobody expects some gratitude from the Jewish people. When the time is right they always switch sides and do some backstabbing against those who helped and protected them. This is a recurring historical pattern.

    Also, for an anti-American Jew, you are still typically ignorant of the historical context as most Americans are. That makes me think you are just a disgruntled American. Perhaps you should come to terms with your American personality, fuse it harmoniously with your Jewishness, embrace some funny Haredi cult (the Na-nach would do), get married and live a happy life fathering a dozen children and dying a respected patriarch?

    https://youtu.be/gSoMvDJyp0w

    Replies: @silviosilver, @S, @Greasy William

    There would probably be no Jews left today without the Persian [Cyrus] friendly and loving help.

    There’s a lot of symbolism on the Israeli minted coin below celebrating Cyrus and Trump standing side by side.

    The image of the Temple Menorah, the official state emblem of a modern restored Israel, is taken straight from the Arch of Titus where it was depicted as a trophy held aloft by Roman legionnaires.

    Some have compared Trump to a modern day Cyrus, though I find the more interesting comparison of Trump is with ‘Rome’s richest man’, the Roman billionaire and real estate speculator, Marcus Crassus.

    Crassus was a member of Rome’s First Triumvirate, the informal political alliance which had once ruled Rome and which, after Crassus’ untimely death, ultimately devolved into a civil war between it’s surviving members, ie the Roman general Pompey and Crassus’s political protege, the up and coming Julius Caesar.

    Rome’s First Triumvirate in turn has it’s uncanny close parallels with the present day New Rome’s (US) Donald Trump, Mike Pompeo, and Trump’s political protege, Jared Kushner.

    https://www.israel365news.com/321845/sanhedrin-temple-movement-issue-silver-half-shekel-images-trump-cyrus/

  96. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @RSDB
    @AaronB

    Ashkenazi Jews, or anyone else, will obviously produce more culture in a society where they are members of a small class apart. As Chesterton said in the 1920s, the success of the Zionist project depended (among other things) on whether the Jews could be content with being "failures":


    It is said again that the ancient Jews turned their enemies into hewers of wood and drawers of water. The modern Jews have to turn themselves into hewers of wood and drawers of water. If they cannot do that, they cannot turn themselves into citizens, but only into a kind of alien bureaucrats, of all kinds the most perilous and the most imperilled.
     

    Replies: @AaronB

    This ties into what Dmitry said about Arab Christians being the best academic performers in Israel and the question of the relationship of motivation to performance and IQ.

    Arab Christians are the Jews of Israel, surrounded by two larger and more aggressive groups, Jews and Muslims – and so are motivated to perform and prove themselves.

    The Druze, another minority, I think also surpass Israeli Jews in academic performance iirc. So there you go – minority status is a huge factor in motivation to perform.

    You feel the difference in Israeli and diaspora Jewish culture – Israeli Jews are much more relaxed, although they have their own intensity with the military situation, but it’s different.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @AaronB


    Arab Christians are the Jews of Israel, surrounded by two larger and more aggressive groups, Jews and Muslims – and so are motivated to perform and prove themselves.
     
    Sigh, another “just-so” explanation.

    If being a “surrounded minority” motivates one to perform well academically, then why do Mizrahi Jews not attain results anywhere near Ashkenazi Jews in Israel. Are they not as surrounded by hostile Muslims?

    How about African-Americans during Jim Crow? Why didn’t redneck hostility manifest into superior academic performance among blacks in America? Or in South Africa?

    There are some non-genetic factors that can explain AC and AJ academic excellence, but as usual, hereditary factors exert the greatest force.

    I wrote on Arab Christians here: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-169/#comment-5019452

    Charles Murray on Ashkenazi Jewish Genius: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-169/#comment-5019452

    Replies: @AaronB

  97. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Beckow
    @AaronB


    ...Haredim is as a medieval order of monks
     
    There were always different kind of monks, but Haredim combine a few peculiar characteristics with being born into it, non-militant, willfully living of the surrounding society, etc...In a wealthy society there is no harm in it, but it looks parasitical.

    The constant mantra "you must work!" makes little sense in the modern economy where most work has no productive value - or even minus value. Does anyone need more salesmen of sh..t or more chair warmers to circulate 'messages' and stare at slides for the next 'project'? Of course not, it is a game, an elaborate work dance we have invented not to collapse into sloth and idleness. But the actual economy doesn't need at least half of the so called 'workers'...they are there to have a structure in their lives and to consume.

    If Israel would turn the Haredis' head-bobbing 'study of texts' into an economic good they could reward it as just another economic activity - how would that be any different from people living off attending 'diversity seminars', selling sh.t online, cold-calling customers who don't care to be customers, or even tracking 'security risks' online? We live in a post-work world and the Haredis are simply more open about it...:).

    Replies: @AaronB

    Great comment, I strongly agree. I’ve made similar arguments here before.

    Haredim are just pioneering Universal Basic Income (UBI) 🙂 (Which Karlin approves of, btw, also)

    The problem with the Haredim is that they are arrogant and entitled, and quite large as a community – but I wonder if they framed their demands not as a unique dispensation to their special community but as part of a larger struggle for universal basic income for everyone as part of a general social justice movement, I wonder if they wouldn’t enlist the sympathies of many secular left wing Israelis!

    In fact I think it’d be a genius marketing move, and the morally right thing also – them Israeli society can celebrate it’s Haredim and not hate them.

  98. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    One of the funniest parts of My Dinner with Andre is him saying everybody claims they need to get out of New York.

    Do you have a black lives matter poster?

    Replies: @AaronB

    Do you have a black lives matter poster?

    I’m thinking of draping one over my car as I drive out West with my NY plates by the end of the week 🙂

  99. QCIC says:
    @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    long-run due to greater economies of scale.

     

    Where is the evidence of the "greater economies of scale"?

    If "greater economies of scale" is important, then logical implication the EU should also add Africa, China and India to the EU. It will strengthen the EU in the long-run by "greater economies of scale". German Reader will become even more wealthy with these "greater economies of scale".

    Switzerland should just combine with Moldova, as Switzerland-Moldova will have "greater economies of scale" than failed country of Switzerland. Therefore, Switzerland's economy might be successful.

    Israel will become stronger by merging to Egypt and Jordan.

    Singapore should merge with Philippines, so Singapore will not be an economic failure anymore.


    guilt for the Ukraine War and pay reparations to Ukraine beforehand, along with likely reducing its level of corruption down to Polish levels.

     

    Which is an imaginary fantasy.

    economy is Germany’s size in PPP
     
    As Guriev says, PPP is completely irrelevant for international comparison of economic size. It's only designed to explain standard of living of individuals. The international comparison, is the nominal data.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    It seems the Ukrainian oligarchs and government had destroyed any hope of Ukrainian “economies of scale” even before the SMO started. That left farming, mining and a few other low-tech industries. I think most of the smart fraction of people had been driven out, so there was not enough mental horsepower to keep big organizations such as Antonov, Ivchenko or Yuhzmash going for much longer. In addition to profitable but low-tech industries they had the organized crime economy, including prostitution and whatever else.

    After the SMO, I think Russia will very gradually work to selectively revive some of the high tech industries. They need Ukraine to be self-supporting, but don’t want to foster an anti-Russia fifth column.

    The very strong Soviet-created scientific industrial sector in Ukraine was candle in the wind 1950-2000 A.D., R.I.P.

  100. @AaronB
    @silviosilver

    I certainly feel like I'm a captive in New York, and cannot wait till I find a Moses who will part the Red Sea for me to get out of here :)

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    You’ll need to find a new an improved version though. The Atlantic Ocean is quite a bit wider than the Red Sea. 🙂

    Glad to see that you’re back. Put to rest your wandering shoes for a while, and have bid a farewell to the West (at least for now)?

    • Thanks: AaronB
    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Mr. Hack

    Actually, Mr Hack, I'm leaving Thursday out West :) And very much looking forward to it, too!

    Yes, my Moses will have quite a bit of a harder task if he attempts to do his tricks on the Atlantic, but I only ask he lead me out of bondage and into the West :)

  101. @AaronB
    @RSDB

    This ties into what Dmitry said about Arab Christians being the best academic performers in Israel and the question of the relationship of motivation to performance and IQ.

    Arab Christians are the Jews of Israel, surrounded by two larger and more aggressive groups, Jews and Muslims - and so are motivated to perform and prove themselves.

    The Druze, another minority, I think also surpass Israeli Jews in academic performance iirc. So there you go - minority status is a huge factor in motivation to perform.

    You feel the difference in Israeli and diaspora Jewish culture - Israeli Jews are much more relaxed, although they have their own intensity with the military situation, but it's different.

    Replies: @Yahya

    Arab Christians are the Jews of Israel, surrounded by two larger and more aggressive groups, Jews and Muslims – and so are motivated to perform and prove themselves.

    Sigh, another “just-so” explanation.

    If being a “surrounded minority” motivates one to perform well academically, then why do Mizrahi Jews not attain results anywhere near Ashkenazi Jews in Israel. Are they not as surrounded by hostile Muslims?

    How about African-Americans during Jim Crow? Why didn’t redneck hostility manifest into superior academic performance among blacks in America? Or in South Africa?

    There are some non-genetic factors that can explain AC and AJ academic excellence, but as usual, hereditary factors exert the greatest force.

    I wrote on Arab Christians here: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-169/#comment-5019452

    Charles Murray on Ashkenazi Jewish Genius: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-169/#comment-5019452

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Yahya

    It's not 100%, just a significant contributing factor. But the Israeli Arab Christians are just getting started - let's see what they develop into in the next decades, Israel is still s very young state. Druze used to never get into the fighter pilots course or the top commando units, but are now entering both. There are now Druze in the same army unit that Netanyahu and Barak served in. And it wasn't discrimination keeping them out. They're developing.

    As for Mizrahi Jews, I think the motivation happens when you are a minority within a state, although to some degree it's also intra-state - I don't think Israelis are genetically better fighters than Arabs, just much, much more motivated, for instance, and that motivation has systemic effects throughout the military system, including several unique design features and practices.

    That being said, Mizrahi Jews have significantly upped their performance as a result of motivation - for instance, the Ashkenazim used to be the much better soldiers, but today the Mizrahi units are considered easily as good as the Ashkenazi.

    Motivation is s highly "plastic" trait that works together with our complex brains to process data from the environment and develop the best strategy for concentrating performance. It does not make sense for every community to concentrate academically.

    For instance, Jews were not notably smart in the ancient world - but the Christians forbade them from using weapons or working the land, so they had no choice but to concentrate in intellectual endeavors. The Mizrahim did not face anything close to the restrictions on economic activity and lifestyle that the Ashkenazi did, and so were not under anything close to the same pressure - never the less, the Mizrahim often achieved higher position as a community than the native, as in Spain, Cairo, and elsewhere. The Syrian Jewish community is fabulously wealthy, btw.

    The Africans were the majority in South Africa it's the Whites who were the majority, and Blacks in America faced unique hurdles that Jews didn't that maybe made more sense for them to develop their athletic and cultural abilities. Relative to Africans, Blacks are a significantly overperforming minority culturally in America - in fact, relative to Whites, too, which is remarkable considering their status despised as ex slaves.

    The Japanese went from being a feudal warrior society to great industrialists and merchants in a generation.

    Perhaps one may think of people as possessing a certain "quantum" of energy and force that they can "project" in a particular direction as the situation dictates.

    Of course, I accepted that innate ability plays a significant role too, just not as significant as you think.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @John Johnson, @Wokechoke

  102. @sudden death
    @Greasy William

    https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/false_dichotomy_2x.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    LOL – what about the false dilemma for some non-event of a country ( Litva) of “either we elect a KGB butch lesbian/ some American geriatric 1940’s Nazi diaspora scumbag as our President………..or we continue with 250 more years of being (easily) dominated by Russians”?

    How is that for a similar false dichotomy you ridiculous scumbag?

    I am not sure it’s “right wing” though – high inflation like with the lowlife Baltic states, and the unprecedented state dictatorship of all 3 of the Baltic government shitholes into their economies since the SMO – completely anti-freemarket principles……normally are associated with left-wing politics.

    Also associated as right-wing ( fairly or not) is direct military intervention…….of course limp-wristed Lithuanian mercenaries have been near non-existant in 404, just as non-existent as their resistance to the Russian enlightenment from the late 1700s to 1991 – even white-red-white Belarus freaks have been far more involved in SMO! You could also call this “left-wing”.

  103. Very Niggur (powerful) Club

    Singh told me how Niggur it was at least 5x

    https://www.manglacharan.com/post/salotar-mehima-in-praise-of-the-club

    ਅਕਾਲ

  104. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Yahya
    @AaronB


    Arab Christians are the Jews of Israel, surrounded by two larger and more aggressive groups, Jews and Muslims – and so are motivated to perform and prove themselves.
     
    Sigh, another “just-so” explanation.

    If being a “surrounded minority” motivates one to perform well academically, then why do Mizrahi Jews not attain results anywhere near Ashkenazi Jews in Israel. Are they not as surrounded by hostile Muslims?

    How about African-Americans during Jim Crow? Why didn’t redneck hostility manifest into superior academic performance among blacks in America? Or in South Africa?

    There are some non-genetic factors that can explain AC and AJ academic excellence, but as usual, hereditary factors exert the greatest force.

    I wrote on Arab Christians here: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-169/#comment-5019452

    Charles Murray on Ashkenazi Jewish Genius: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-169/#comment-5019452

    Replies: @AaronB

    It’s not 100%, just a significant contributing factor. But the Israeli Arab Christians are just getting started – let’s see what they develop into in the next decades, Israel is still s very young state. Druze used to never get into the fighter pilots course or the top commando units, but are now entering both. There are now Druze in the same army unit that Netanyahu and Barak served in. And it wasn’t discrimination keeping them out. They’re developing.

    As for Mizrahi Jews, I think the motivation happens when you are a minority within a state, although to some degree it’s also intra-state – I don’t think Israelis are genetically better fighters than Arabs, just much, much more motivated, for instance, and that motivation has systemic effects throughout the military system, including several unique design features and practices.

    That being said, Mizrahi Jews have significantly upped their performance as a result of motivation – for instance, the Ashkenazim used to be the much better soldiers, but today the Mizrahi units are considered easily as good as the Ashkenazi.

    Motivation is s highly “plastic” trait that works together with our complex brains to process data from the environment and develop the best strategy for concentrating performance. It does not make sense for every community to concentrate academically.

    For instance, Jews were not notably smart in the ancient world – but the Christians forbade them from using weapons or working the land, so they had no choice but to concentrate in intellectual endeavors. The Mizrahim did not face anything close to the restrictions on economic activity and lifestyle that the Ashkenazi did, and so were not under anything close to the same pressure – never the less, the Mizrahim often achieved higher position as a community than the native, as in Spain, Cairo, and elsewhere. The Syrian Jewish community is fabulously wealthy, btw.

    The Africans were the majority in South Africa it’s the Whites who were the majority, and Blacks in America faced unique hurdles that Jews didn’t that maybe made more sense for them to develop their athletic and cultural abilities. Relative to Africans, Blacks are a significantly overperforming minority culturally in America – in fact, relative to Whites, too, which is remarkable considering their status despised as ex slaves.

    The Japanese went from being a feudal warrior society to great industrialists and merchants in a generation.

    Perhaps one may think of people as possessing a certain “quantum” of energy and force that they can “project” in a particular direction as the situation dictates.

    Of course, I accepted that innate ability plays a significant role too, just not as significant as you think.

    • Disagree: silviosilver
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AaronB


    for instance, the Ashkenazim used to be the much better soldiers, but today the Mizrahi units are considered easily as good as the Ashkenazi.
     
    There is no such thing as Mizrahi units in the IDF. Such a thing didn't even exist in the 1950's. What are you talking about?

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @John Johnson
    @AaronB

    For instance, Jews were not notably smart in the ancient world – but the Christians forbade them from using weapons or working the land, so they had no choice but to concentrate in intellectual endeavors.

    That's a bit of an oversimplification that conveniently blames Christians.

    Jewish urbanization existed before those laws were created.

    Jewish urban merchants in Europe pre-date Christianity. There are even recordings of Jewish merchants by the Greeks. Jews were also in Egypt and Turkey a few thousand years ago.

    Laws in European countries that restricted Jews were much later.

    The Africans were the majority in South Africa it’s the Whites who were the majority, and Blacks in America faced unique hurdles that Jews didn’t that maybe made more sense for them to develop their athletic and cultural abilities.

    Develop their athletic abilities? You think there would be more Jewish linebackers if they only focused more on that area? Me thinks you have some gene denial.

    African-Americans are actually much larger than their Bantu relatives in Africa. This is because they were cross-bred with large Whites and Hispanics during slavery. If you sent every Xhosa to football training camps you still wouldn't have as many potential NFL players.

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Wokechoke
    @AaronB

    Jews or Hebrews/Israelites were a heavily urbanized elite class very early on. If Joseph is anything to go by the sons of Jacob were already positioning themselves as viziers, psychologists, tax collectors and economic managers along with being grain factors. Forbidden to work either hands? Oh no don’t make me an account manager, oh carpenter of wood!

    Replies: @Greasy William

  105. Russians are still fighting Russians in Belgograd:

    The Putin bootlickin’ bloggers aren’t talking about it. They *want to believe* Russia is united behind the homicidal dwarf and all dissenters must be Jews. Scott Ritter referred to the anti-Putin Russian fighters as Ukrainian just like Russian State TV. What a jack off.

    MacGregor is looking stressed in his latest video. Maybe he should ask Prigozhin for a job? Probably more likely to pay than Putin.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @John Johnson


    Russians are still fighting Russians in Belgorod
     
    I've noticed this ambiguous terminology elsewhere. These guys have only been operating on the border, just inside the Belgorod oblast. They have never made it anywhere near Belgorod - the more significant town miles from the border.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

  106. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @AaronB

    You'll need to find a new an improved version though. The Atlantic Ocean is quite a bit wider than the Red Sea. :-)

    Glad to see that you're back. Put to rest your wandering shoes for a while, and have bid a farewell to the West (at least for now)?

    Replies: @AaronB

    Actually, Mr Hack, I’m leaving Thursday out West 🙂 And very much looking forward to it, too!

    Yes, my Moses will have quite a bit of a harder task if he attempts to do his tricks on the Atlantic, but I only ask he lead me out of bondage and into the West 🙂

  107. @Yahya
    @Pixo

    https://youtu.be/U22-B2hy1wA

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I thought the Crimeans were with the Russians?

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Greasy William


    I thought the Crimeans were with the Russians?
     
    Just as American society is split politically, I’d imagine the same applies to Chechnya and Crimea.

    https://youtu.be/AQhV__fmvAo

    https://www.dw.com/en/chechen-and-tatar-muslims-take-up-arms-to-fight-for-ukraine/a-61174375

    Replies: @Greasy William

  108. @AaronB
    @Yahya

    It's not 100%, just a significant contributing factor. But the Israeli Arab Christians are just getting started - let's see what they develop into in the next decades, Israel is still s very young state. Druze used to never get into the fighter pilots course or the top commando units, but are now entering both. There are now Druze in the same army unit that Netanyahu and Barak served in. And it wasn't discrimination keeping them out. They're developing.

    As for Mizrahi Jews, I think the motivation happens when you are a minority within a state, although to some degree it's also intra-state - I don't think Israelis are genetically better fighters than Arabs, just much, much more motivated, for instance, and that motivation has systemic effects throughout the military system, including several unique design features and practices.

    That being said, Mizrahi Jews have significantly upped their performance as a result of motivation - for instance, the Ashkenazim used to be the much better soldiers, but today the Mizrahi units are considered easily as good as the Ashkenazi.

    Motivation is s highly "plastic" trait that works together with our complex brains to process data from the environment and develop the best strategy for concentrating performance. It does not make sense for every community to concentrate academically.

    For instance, Jews were not notably smart in the ancient world - but the Christians forbade them from using weapons or working the land, so they had no choice but to concentrate in intellectual endeavors. The Mizrahim did not face anything close to the restrictions on economic activity and lifestyle that the Ashkenazi did, and so were not under anything close to the same pressure - never the less, the Mizrahim often achieved higher position as a community than the native, as in Spain, Cairo, and elsewhere. The Syrian Jewish community is fabulously wealthy, btw.

    The Africans were the majority in South Africa it's the Whites who were the majority, and Blacks in America faced unique hurdles that Jews didn't that maybe made more sense for them to develop their athletic and cultural abilities. Relative to Africans, Blacks are a significantly overperforming minority culturally in America - in fact, relative to Whites, too, which is remarkable considering their status despised as ex slaves.

    The Japanese went from being a feudal warrior society to great industrialists and merchants in a generation.

    Perhaps one may think of people as possessing a certain "quantum" of energy and force that they can "project" in a particular direction as the situation dictates.

    Of course, I accepted that innate ability plays a significant role too, just not as significant as you think.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @John Johnson, @Wokechoke

    for instance, the Ashkenazim used to be the much better soldiers, but today the Mizrahi units are considered easily as good as the Ashkenazi.

    There is no such thing as Mizrahi units in the IDF. Such a thing didn’t even exist in the 1950’s. What are you talking about?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Greasy William

    I mean units that attract a disproportionate share of Mizrahim, like Golani Infantry Brigade, and whose culture is famously Mizrahi.

    Used to be a looked down on brigade but is now very highly respected.

  109. @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    I thought the Crimeans were with the Russians?

    Replies: @Yahya

    I thought the Crimeans were with the Russians?

    Just as American society is split politically, I’d imagine the same applies to Chechnya and Crimea.

    https://www.dw.com/en/chechen-and-tatar-muslims-take-up-arms-to-fight-for-ukraine/a-61174375

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    No, all Muslims in a given country agree on all issues

  110. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Greasy William
    @AaronB


    for instance, the Ashkenazim used to be the much better soldiers, but today the Mizrahi units are considered easily as good as the Ashkenazi.
     
    There is no such thing as Mizrahi units in the IDF. Such a thing didn't even exist in the 1950's. What are you talking about?

    Replies: @AaronB

    I mean units that attract a disproportionate share of Mizrahim, like Golani Infantry Brigade, and whose culture is famously Mizrahi.

    Used to be a looked down on brigade but is now very highly respected.

  111. Those could be the reasons why there is UA hesitancy to start very large scale offensives or offensives not achieving the desired goals, but only time will tell if this is correct overall impression:

    Based on our nine months of training with all services of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, to include the Ground Forces (Army), Border Guard Service, National Guard, Naval Infantry (Marines), Special Operations Forces, and Territorial Defense Forces, we have observed a series of common trends: lack of mission command, effective training, and combined arms operations; ad hoc logistics and maintenance; and improper use of special operations forces. These trends have undermined Ukraine’s resistance and could hinder the success of the ongoing offensive.

    https://warontherocks.com/2023/06/what-the-ukrainian-armed-forces-need-to-do-to-win/

  112. German_reader says:
    @AaronB
    @German_reader

    The best way to look at the Haredim is as a medieval order of monks, who serve society in other ways - through unceasing prayer and study of scripture. In their view, this is more important than actual military service and sustains the existence of Jewish society.

    I'm not actually against this idea, but they have no right to "demand" subsidies that are not willingly given by secular Jews who see no value in their activities, and they differ from monks by not being composed of volunteers, but of people born into the order, who have not been given a choice (anyone can leave, theoretically, but it's tough making such a drastic change for most of).

    On second thought, it brings up the general problem of whether it is fair and just for a state to monopolize access to all land and resources and then narrowly restrict access based on its own priorities. In other words the state monopolizes all productive land and then offers people a highly restricted set of activities in exchange for access, that may not reflect the individuals priorities or values (don't want to be a computer programmer? Starve).

    I was very briefly touching on this in my discussion with Silvio, but seem in the broader context of economics the Haredis may not be so wrong after all, now that I think about it. Of course, if Haredim refuse to do military service than they ought to accept the consequences of that, which is conquest by Arabs.

    Replies: @Beckow, @German_reader

    Monks have neither sex (apart maybe from illicit homo sex) nor children (unless they already had a family before taking vows), so this is a very imperfect analogy.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @German_reader

    Aaron isn't much concerned with facts or evidence, that is getting pretty obvious at this point. His primary concern seems to be feeding himself feelgood stories. I'm not sure what exactly is so feelgood about likening haredis to monks, but if that is the (fact-free, as you point out) story that Aaron is going with, it's fairly safe to assume he sees a feelgood angle in it.

    , @AaronB
    @German_reader

    Yes, it's a highly imperfect analogy, but its the closest thing Judaism has to an order of monkhood - and I believe their rationales are the same, that a lifetimes devotion to constant prayer and religious practices and study are perhaps the most important contribution to society and play a huge role in the survival and success of that community. For the sake of a few righteous men....

    One can disagree with this of course, but one ought to see it in context and as it relates to similar, even if not identical, phenomena in other societies.

    Still, I prefer Beckows understanding of them as pioneering UB and economic justice :)

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @John Johnson
    @German_reader

    Monks have neither sex (apart maybe from illicit homo sex) nor children (unless they already had a family before taking vows), so this is a very imperfect analogy.

    I used to assume there were a lot of gays among monks and nuns until I met some of them.

    It attracts more of an asexual personality type.

    I actually knew a guy that went off to a Monastery. He really didn't fit in with society and didn't identify with men of any type. He tried working a couple types of jobs and it was a disaster. I assumed all 22 year olds wanted to chase women until I met this guy. He was happiest when reading or discussing the bible. I don't think he had sexual drive of any type. I met some nuns and got the same vibe. They don't want to be in society. People project a sexual drive onto them that doesn't exist in most cases. I don't doubt there are gays that use it as cover but they aren't the norm. Probably less of that now that homosexuality is celebrated.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AaronB, @Coconuts

  113. @German_reader
    @AaronB

    Monks have neither sex (apart maybe from illicit homo sex) nor children (unless they already had a family before taking vows), so this is a very imperfect analogy.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @AaronB, @John Johnson

    Aaron isn’t much concerned with facts or evidence, that is getting pretty obvious at this point. His primary concern seems to be feeding himself feelgood stories. I’m not sure what exactly is so feelgood about likening haredis to monks, but if that is the (fact-free, as you point out) story that Aaron is going with, it’s fairly safe to assume he sees a feelgood angle in it.

    • Agree: German_reader
  114. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @German_reader
    @AaronB

    Monks have neither sex (apart maybe from illicit homo sex) nor children (unless they already had a family before taking vows), so this is a very imperfect analogy.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @AaronB, @John Johnson

    Yes, it’s a highly imperfect analogy, but its the closest thing Judaism has to an order of monkhood – and I believe their rationales are the same, that a lifetimes devotion to constant prayer and religious practices and study are perhaps the most important contribution to society and play a huge role in the survival and success of that community. For the sake of a few righteous men….

    One can disagree with this of course, but one ought to see it in context and as it relates to similar, even if not identical, phenomena in other societies.

    Still, I prefer Beckows understanding of them as pioneering UB and economic justice 🙂

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AaronB

    It's not ubi either, since it's not universal.

  115. @German_reader
    @AaronB

    Monks have neither sex (apart maybe from illicit homo sex) nor children (unless they already had a family before taking vows), so this is a very imperfect analogy.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @AaronB, @John Johnson

    Monks have neither sex (apart maybe from illicit homo sex) nor children (unless they already had a family before taking vows), so this is a very imperfect analogy.

    I used to assume there were a lot of gays among monks and nuns until I met some of them.

    It attracts more of an asexual personality type.

    I actually knew a guy that went off to a Monastery. He really didn’t fit in with society and didn’t identify with men of any type. He tried working a couple types of jobs and it was a disaster. I assumed all 22 year olds wanted to chase women until I met this guy. He was happiest when reading or discussing the bible. I don’t think he had sexual drive of any type. I met some nuns and got the same vibe. They don’t want to be in society. People project a sexual drive onto them that doesn’t exist in most cases. I don’t doubt there are gays that use it as cover but they aren’t the norm. Probably less of that now that homosexuality is celebrated.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @John Johnson

    Homos in the clergy and in monasteries were a problem already in the 11th century. Petrus Damiani wrote a book about it (liber Gomorrhanus). iirc he recommended infibulation as treatment.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @AaronB
    @John Johnson

    I was in Monastery of Christ in the Desert in New Mexico last summer, it's very beautifully situated in a red rock canyon down a ten mile dirt road, which is a fun drive.

    It has a room devoted to local writers on the wilderness with books and displays, and what I call spiritual music playing. It's very cool that they emphasize the connection between spirituality and the wilderness like that.

    Anyways, I interacted with an extremely tall Black monk, bought the letters of Thomas Merton from the bookstore. He was wearing long black robes and he just seemed like a wizard, it gave me a strange supernatural thrill.

    He was a sweet man and had such an impractical and otherworldly air to him that I immediately thought it would be impossible for him to function in regular society, and I wondered if that's why he entered the monastery or if living the spiritual life made him useless in ordinary competitive society.

    I have a lot of the monk in my nature and long to retreat to my wilderness hermitage, and find I can just barely function in normal society - just barely, and I'm becoming more useless by the day I think. I suspect I will return from my trip out West several degrees more useless to society than now! Each trip I grow more and more useless and distant from normal society.

    But I can't fit into any conventional religion nor abide by restrictive social structures, so I think the Taoist model of the Old Man Laughing in the Mountains will be more my lot as I age, wandering the high peaks im bliss and freedom until the vultures pick my bones clean.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Coconuts
    @John Johnson

    I once met a gay and very horny Spanish friar, some direct knowledge that an old Reformation stereotype is not completely wrong.

    Monks vary though, I didn't meet any obviously gay ones. There were various monks who had already had girlfriends, careers etc. before coming to the monastery. I think you are called to this sort of life.

    I remember doing a vocations course with a young woman who was thinking about becoming a nun, she was nice looking and built like Christina Hendriks from Mad Men, that was distracting.

    Most nuns I saw weren't like that.

  116. German_reader says:
    @AaronB
    @German_reader

    Yes, it's a highly imperfect analogy, but its the closest thing Judaism has to an order of monkhood - and I believe their rationales are the same, that a lifetimes devotion to constant prayer and religious practices and study are perhaps the most important contribution to society and play a huge role in the survival and success of that community. For the sake of a few righteous men....

    One can disagree with this of course, but one ought to see it in context and as it relates to similar, even if not identical, phenomena in other societies.

    Still, I prefer Beckows understanding of them as pioneering UB and economic justice :)

    Replies: @German_reader

    It’s not ubi either, since it’s not universal.

  117. German_reader says:
    @John Johnson
    @German_reader

    Monks have neither sex (apart maybe from illicit homo sex) nor children (unless they already had a family before taking vows), so this is a very imperfect analogy.

    I used to assume there were a lot of gays among monks and nuns until I met some of them.

    It attracts more of an asexual personality type.

    I actually knew a guy that went off to a Monastery. He really didn't fit in with society and didn't identify with men of any type. He tried working a couple types of jobs and it was a disaster. I assumed all 22 year olds wanted to chase women until I met this guy. He was happiest when reading or discussing the bible. I don't think he had sexual drive of any type. I met some nuns and got the same vibe. They don't want to be in society. People project a sexual drive onto them that doesn't exist in most cases. I don't doubt there are gays that use it as cover but they aren't the norm. Probably less of that now that homosexuality is celebrated.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AaronB, @Coconuts

    Homos in the clergy and in monasteries were a problem already in the 11th century. Petrus Damiani wrote a book about it (liber Gomorrhanus). iirc he recommended infibulation as treatment.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @German_reader

    Homos in the clergy and in monasteries were a problem already in the 11th century. Petrus Damiani wrote a book about it (liber Gomorrhanus). iirc he recommended infibulation as treatment.

    Was definitely a problem in the 1970s and 80s.

    Seems like for a long period it was the Catholic way to let gays quietly serve as priests and nuns.

    Have 5 kids and if one comes out gay then send him to the priesthood.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  118. @AaronB
    @Yahya

    It's not 100%, just a significant contributing factor. But the Israeli Arab Christians are just getting started - let's see what they develop into in the next decades, Israel is still s very young state. Druze used to never get into the fighter pilots course or the top commando units, but are now entering both. There are now Druze in the same army unit that Netanyahu and Barak served in. And it wasn't discrimination keeping them out. They're developing.

    As for Mizrahi Jews, I think the motivation happens when you are a minority within a state, although to some degree it's also intra-state - I don't think Israelis are genetically better fighters than Arabs, just much, much more motivated, for instance, and that motivation has systemic effects throughout the military system, including several unique design features and practices.

    That being said, Mizrahi Jews have significantly upped their performance as a result of motivation - for instance, the Ashkenazim used to be the much better soldiers, but today the Mizrahi units are considered easily as good as the Ashkenazi.

    Motivation is s highly "plastic" trait that works together with our complex brains to process data from the environment and develop the best strategy for concentrating performance. It does not make sense for every community to concentrate academically.

    For instance, Jews were not notably smart in the ancient world - but the Christians forbade them from using weapons or working the land, so they had no choice but to concentrate in intellectual endeavors. The Mizrahim did not face anything close to the restrictions on economic activity and lifestyle that the Ashkenazi did, and so were not under anything close to the same pressure - never the less, the Mizrahim often achieved higher position as a community than the native, as in Spain, Cairo, and elsewhere. The Syrian Jewish community is fabulously wealthy, btw.

    The Africans were the majority in South Africa it's the Whites who were the majority, and Blacks in America faced unique hurdles that Jews didn't that maybe made more sense for them to develop their athletic and cultural abilities. Relative to Africans, Blacks are a significantly overperforming minority culturally in America - in fact, relative to Whites, too, which is remarkable considering their status despised as ex slaves.

    The Japanese went from being a feudal warrior society to great industrialists and merchants in a generation.

    Perhaps one may think of people as possessing a certain "quantum" of energy and force that they can "project" in a particular direction as the situation dictates.

    Of course, I accepted that innate ability plays a significant role too, just not as significant as you think.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @John Johnson, @Wokechoke

    For instance, Jews were not notably smart in the ancient world – but the Christians forbade them from using weapons or working the land, so they had no choice but to concentrate in intellectual endeavors.

    That’s a bit of an oversimplification that conveniently blames Christians.

    Jewish urbanization existed before those laws were created.

    Jewish urban merchants in Europe pre-date Christianity. There are even recordings of Jewish merchants by the Greeks. Jews were also in Egypt and Turkey a few thousand years ago.

    Laws in European countries that restricted Jews were much later.

    The Africans were the majority in South Africa it’s the Whites who were the majority, and Blacks in America faced unique hurdles that Jews didn’t that maybe made more sense for them to develop their athletic and cultural abilities.

    Develop their athletic abilities? You think there would be more Jewish linebackers if they only focused more on that area? Me thinks you have some gene denial.

    African-Americans are actually much larger than their Bantu relatives in Africa. This is because they were cross-bred with large Whites and Hispanics during slavery. If you sent every Xhosa to football training camps you still wouldn’t have as many potential NFL players.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @John Johnson

    That's definitely true as regards Jewish urbanization, that it was a feature of the ancient world and predated Christianity, but Jews did not stand out for being intellectual in the ancient world despite being urbanized, so its likely they did not yet feel compelled to concentrate in intellectual activities as a national strategy - although Jews had already at that point a significant scholarly culture it was the Greeks who were outstanding intellectually.

    And I'm not blaming Christianity at all - racism and religious discrimination is a perversion of Christianity, and not at all it's true spirit.

    But Christian societies in Europe did at some point turn to very severe restrictions on Jews, which led to a shift in Jewish strategy.

    I don't deny genes - I'm quite prepared to admit that American Blacks had physiques that made the decision to focus on athleticism instead of intellectualism easier and more natural - and that is perhaps unfortunate, if totally understandable.

    I admit a generic - or an innate heritable, let us say - component, but it is far trickier to pin down and far less determinative than people here would wish it to be.

  119. Ukrainian “counter-offensive” started yesterday (although officially Ukie puppets say that it did not start, apparently will announce when and if they achieve anything with PR value). So far mostly failures, with bad PR for Western weapons (including particularly devastating PR for French tanks AMX-10R).

    As empty hot air here affects exactly nothing, I discontinue my participation in worthless discussions. Bye-bye.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN

    Disagree with you about a lot, but I will miss your comments.
    Take care of yourself, all the best.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Dissapointed this failure was not started on June 22nd...........

    The Ukroreikh is all about pitiful PR stunts combined with schizophrenic stupidity - June 22nd would have been a "perfection" of this.

    , @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    Ukrainian “counter-offensive” started yesterday
     
    Strelkov's opinion for comparison:

    Having analyzed the various incoming messages from the battle sites in the Volnovakh direction - it is permissible to conclude that (based on the number of forces engaged by the enemy) - if these attacks are part of a planned offensive, then it is either a relatively large-scale reconnaissance battle, or an auxiliary or diversionary strike.

    No more than one motorized infantry battalion was introduced into the battle in any of the areas where the enemy is attacking. On some sections - 1-2 companies reinforced by tanks or even less.
    If the enemy is trying to attack precisely here and now, then his attacks are of an exclusively tactical nature.
     
    https://t.me/strelkovii/5273

    Replies: @Sean, @Philip Owen

    , @Barbarossa
    @AnonfromTN

    All the best to you, AnonfromTN. Best of luck in your other endeavors!


    I look at the thread here as entertainment, and as with any entertainment moderation is key. I will say that I've learned a reasonable amount and been grateful for some great book and movie suggestions. I get your point entirely though and the same impulse keeps my footprint light.

    You have always been a level headed contributor around here though and will be missed!

  120. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN
    Ukrainian “counter-offensive” started yesterday (although officially Ukie puppets say that it did not start, apparently will announce when and if they achieve anything with PR value). So far mostly failures, with bad PR for Western weapons (including particularly devastating PR for French tanks AMX-10R).

    As empty hot air here affects exactly nothing, I discontinue my participation in worthless discussions. Bye-bye.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Gerard1234, @sudden death, @Barbarossa

    Disagree with you about a lot, but I will miss your comments.
    Take care of yourself, all the best.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    Disagree with you about a lot, but I will miss your comments.
    Take care of yourself, all the best.
     
    Thanks! I just have a lot of things to write that can actually make a difference, at least for the scientific field I am in.

    Commenting here is worthless and non-adaptive, like displacement behavior in animals when they are hopelessly confused and/or frightened out of their wits.

    If I manage to transfer some money to Russia despite current roadblocks, I would be able to do something real, like helping civilian victims of Ukie aggression.

    All the best to you!

    Replies: @QCIC, @orchardist

  121. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @John Johnson
    @German_reader

    Monks have neither sex (apart maybe from illicit homo sex) nor children (unless they already had a family before taking vows), so this is a very imperfect analogy.

    I used to assume there were a lot of gays among monks and nuns until I met some of them.

    It attracts more of an asexual personality type.

    I actually knew a guy that went off to a Monastery. He really didn't fit in with society and didn't identify with men of any type. He tried working a couple types of jobs and it was a disaster. I assumed all 22 year olds wanted to chase women until I met this guy. He was happiest when reading or discussing the bible. I don't think he had sexual drive of any type. I met some nuns and got the same vibe. They don't want to be in society. People project a sexual drive onto them that doesn't exist in most cases. I don't doubt there are gays that use it as cover but they aren't the norm. Probably less of that now that homosexuality is celebrated.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AaronB, @Coconuts

    I was in Monastery of Christ in the Desert in New Mexico last summer, it’s very beautifully situated in a red rock canyon down a ten mile dirt road, which is a fun drive.

    It has a room devoted to local writers on the wilderness with books and displays, and what I call spiritual music playing. It’s very cool that they emphasize the connection between spirituality and the wilderness like that.

    Anyways, I interacted with an extremely tall Black monk, bought the letters of Thomas Merton from the bookstore. He was wearing long black robes and he just seemed like a wizard, it gave me a strange supernatural thrill.

    He was a sweet man and had such an impractical and otherworldly air to him that I immediately thought it would be impossible for him to function in regular society, and I wondered if that’s why he entered the monastery or if living the spiritual life made him useless in ordinary competitive society.

    I have a lot of the monk in my nature and long to retreat to my wilderness hermitage, and find I can just barely function in normal society – just barely, and I’m becoming more useless by the day I think. I suspect I will return from my trip out West several degrees more useless to society than now! Each trip I grow more and more useless and distant from normal society.

    But I can’t fit into any conventional religion nor abide by restrictive social structures, so I think the Taoist model of the Old Man Laughing in the Mountains will be more my lot as I age, wandering the high peaks im bliss and freedom until the vultures pick my bones clean.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AaronB


    He was a sweet man and had such an impractical and otherworldly air to him that I immediately thought it would be impossible for him to function in regular society
     
    According to Carl Schmitt, he real world is for those who identify the enemy, who one might have to kill, which is politics. Not doing this is religion. At some moments in history where the authority of the Church has suddenly declined, priests and nuns have left their holy orders and got married. Not just back in the Reformation, the collapse of Catholicism in Quebec saw this happening. So you cannot say those who are asexual with an ethereal presence are the essence of religion whether organised or otherwise.

    Replies: @AaronB

  122. @German_reader
    @John Johnson

    Homos in the clergy and in monasteries were a problem already in the 11th century. Petrus Damiani wrote a book about it (liber Gomorrhanus). iirc he recommended infibulation as treatment.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Homos in the clergy and in monasteries were a problem already in the 11th century. Petrus Damiani wrote a book about it (liber Gomorrhanus). iirc he recommended infibulation as treatment.

    Was definitely a problem in the 1970s and 80s.

    Seems like for a long period it was the Catholic way to let gays quietly serve as priests and nuns.

    Have 5 kids and if one comes out gay then send him to the priesthood.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Typically the clergy was filled with Aristocrat’s third child. One son gets the estate, the next has to go and fight abroad. The third one joins the church.

  123. @AnonfromTN
    Ukrainian “counter-offensive” started yesterday (although officially Ukie puppets say that it did not start, apparently will announce when and if they achieve anything with PR value). So far mostly failures, with bad PR for Western weapons (including particularly devastating PR for French tanks AMX-10R).

    As empty hot air here affects exactly nothing, I discontinue my participation in worthless discussions. Bye-bye.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Gerard1234, @sudden death, @Barbarossa

    Dissapointed this failure was not started on June 22nd………..

    The Ukroreikh is all about pitiful PR stunts combined with schizophrenic stupidity – June 22nd would have been a “perfection” of this.

  124. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @John Johnson
    @AaronB

    For instance, Jews were not notably smart in the ancient world – but the Christians forbade them from using weapons or working the land, so they had no choice but to concentrate in intellectual endeavors.

    That's a bit of an oversimplification that conveniently blames Christians.

    Jewish urbanization existed before those laws were created.

    Jewish urban merchants in Europe pre-date Christianity. There are even recordings of Jewish merchants by the Greeks. Jews were also in Egypt and Turkey a few thousand years ago.

    Laws in European countries that restricted Jews were much later.

    The Africans were the majority in South Africa it’s the Whites who were the majority, and Blacks in America faced unique hurdles that Jews didn’t that maybe made more sense for them to develop their athletic and cultural abilities.

    Develop their athletic abilities? You think there would be more Jewish linebackers if they only focused more on that area? Me thinks you have some gene denial.

    African-Americans are actually much larger than their Bantu relatives in Africa. This is because they were cross-bred with large Whites and Hispanics during slavery. If you sent every Xhosa to football training camps you still wouldn't have as many potential NFL players.

    Replies: @AaronB

    That’s definitely true as regards Jewish urbanization, that it was a feature of the ancient world and predated Christianity, but Jews did not stand out for being intellectual in the ancient world despite being urbanized, so its likely they did not yet feel compelled to concentrate in intellectual activities as a national strategy – although Jews had already at that point a significant scholarly culture it was the Greeks who were outstanding intellectually.

    And I’m not blaming Christianity at all – racism and religious discrimination is a perversion of Christianity, and not at all it’s true spirit.

    But Christian societies in Europe did at some point turn to very severe restrictions on Jews, which led to a shift in Jewish strategy.

    I don’t deny genes – I’m quite prepared to admit that American Blacks had physiques that made the decision to focus on athleticism instead of intellectualism easier and more natural – and that is perhaps unfortunate, if totally understandable.

    I admit a generic – or an innate heritable, let us say – component, but it is far trickier to pin down and far less determinative than people here would wish it to be.

  125. @John Johnson
    Russians are still fighting Russians in Belgograd:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP2fZvDsn1k

    The Putin bootlickin' bloggers aren't talking about it. They *want to believe* Russia is united behind the homicidal dwarf and all dissenters must be Jews. Scott Ritter referred to the anti-Putin Russian fighters as Ukrainian just like Russian State TV. What a jack off.

    MacGregor is looking stressed in his latest video. Maybe he should ask Prigozhin for a job? Probably more likely to pay than Putin.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Russians are still fighting Russians in Belgorod

    I’ve noticed this ambiguous terminology elsewhere. These guys have only been operating on the border, just inside the Belgorod oblast. They have never made it anywhere near Belgorod – the more significant town miles from the border.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Lurker

    I wonder if attacks within Russia change the legal definition of the conflict? The SMO was "special" and may have been legally restricted.

    Do these attacks automatically invoke some level of martial law? Was martial law already in place as part of the SMO and if so, how do these attacks change matters?

    Assuming the attackers are actually Russian citizens, does this leave dealing with them under the legal purview of domestic terrorist laws as opposed to rules which apply to foreign combatants or foreign terrorists?

    , @John Johnson
    @Lurker


    Russians are still fighting Russians in Belgorod
     
    I’ve noticed this ambiguous terminology elsewhere. These guys have only been operating on the border, just inside the Belgorod oblast. They have never made it anywhere near Belgorod – the more significant town miles from the border.

    What difference does it make? They're doing small scale raids. They don't need to be in downtown Belgorod.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUILWe0DGIk

  126. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN

    Disagree with you about a lot, but I will miss your comments.
    Take care of yourself, all the best.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Disagree with you about a lot, but I will miss your comments.
    Take care of yourself, all the best.

    Thanks! I just have a lot of things to write that can actually make a difference, at least for the scientific field I am in.

    Commenting here is worthless and non-adaptive, like displacement behavior in animals when they are hopelessly confused and/or frightened out of their wits.

    If I manage to transfer some money to Russia despite current roadblocks, I would be able to do something real, like helping civilian victims of Ukie aggression.

    All the best to you!

    • Thanks: German_reader
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Good luck unlocking Nature's secrets!

    , @orchardist
    @AnonfromTN

    I've appreciated your knowledge of things of import.

    Best

  127. I should like Mr. Hack to watch some of those Nork comedy films that I heard were on YouTube a few years ago, and to recommend the best one here.
    ___
    Have heard that native Irish sources don’t say anything about putative pirate queen Grace O’Malley because she was a woman.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    "Nork Comedy" films? Is that some sort of dark Norwegian faire? Why waste your time and not go straight to the Finnish school of realism?


    https://i.etsystatic.com/17699147/r/il/ccc6fe/1743044374/il_fullxfull.1743044374_jrgu.jpg
    "Perfect for any occasion"

    Why pick on me? Are you trying to get me to bail, like poor Professor Tennessee?

    Replies: @songbird

  128. @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William


    Cyrus the Great was the founder of the Achaemenid Empire and king of Persia from 559 to 530 BC. He is venerated in the Hebrew Bible as Cyrus the Messiah for conquering Babylon and liberating the Jews from captivity.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible

    A number of the Aramaic papyri document the Jewish community among soldiers stationed at Elephantine under Achaemenid rule, 495–399 BCE. The so-called "Passover Letter" of 419 BCE (discovered in 1907), which appears to give instructions for the observance of the Festival of Unleavened Bread (though Passover itself is not mentioned in the extant text), is in the Egyptian Museum of Berlin.

    The standard reference collection of the Aramaic documents from Elephantine is the Textbook of Aramaic Documents from Ancient Egypt.[1]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantine_papyri_and_ostraca

    Translation- Because the papyrus is so fragmentary, the reconstructions offered here should be considered conjectural, especially the italicized portions of text-

    [To my brothers, Ye]daniah and his colleagues the Jewish ga[rrison,] your brother Hanan[i]ah. May God/the gods [seek after] the welfare of my brothers [at all times.] And now, this year, year 5 of King Darius, it has been sent from the king to Arsa[mes ……… …]

    Now, you thus count four[teen days in Nisan and on the 14th at twilight ob]serve [the Passover] and from the 15th day until the 21st day of [Nisan observe the Festival of Unleavened Bread. Seven days eat unleavened bread. Now,] be pure and take heed. [Do] n[ot do] work [on the 15th day and on the 21st day of Nisan.] Do not drink [any fermented drink. And do] not [eat] anything of leaven [nor let it be seen in your houses from the 14th day of Nisan at] sunset until the 21st day of Nisa[n at sunset. And b]ring into your chambers [any leaven which you have in your houses] and seal (them) up during [these] days. …

    [To] my brothers, Yedaniah and his colleagues the Jewish garrison, your brother Hananiah s[on of ??].
     
    https://cojs.org/the_passover_papyrus_from_elephantine-_419_bce/

    There would probably be no Jews left today without the Persian friendly and loving help. Of course nobody expects some gratitude from the Jewish people. When the time is right they always switch sides and do some backstabbing against those who helped and protected them. This is a recurring historical pattern.

    Also, for an anti-American Jew, you are still typically ignorant of the historical context as most Americans are. That makes me think you are just a disgruntled American. Perhaps you should come to terms with your American personality, fuse it harmoniously with your Jewishness, embrace some funny Haredi cult (the Na-nach would do), get married and live a happy life fathering a dozen children and dying a respected patriarch?

    https://youtu.be/gSoMvDJyp0w

    Replies: @silviosilver, @S, @Greasy William

    The Iranian people never helped out the Jews, Cyrus did. That’s one guy, not an entire nation. On the contrary, the Iranian people wanted to kill the Jews but Cyrus stopped them. That’s the whole point of the Purim story. Jews and Iranians have always been enemies and this has always been acknowledged until Israel was created and people suddenly decided that actually they really were always BFF’s.

    For my own sake, I try not to hate anyone (except for white liberals, but that doesn’t count as white liberals are subhumans who should all be dead), however, I really dislike Iranians and Lebanese. And in both cases it isn’t just the antisemitism. Antisemitism by itself usually doesn’t bother me. What bothers me about Iranians and Lebanese is the combination of antisemitism with unreal levels of arrogance and a totally unjustified sense of superiority.

    The Iranians and Lebanese are both extremely primitive and stupid peoples. Their countries are absolute garbage and always have been. When Solemaini was assassinated, the Iranian response was to shoot down one of their own airliners, killing 300 of their own people. Then they trampled 80 people to death at Solemaini’s funeral. This is primitive behavior that you only see in third world countries and you saw it because the Iranians are a third world people.

    We know form Nazi communications that the Iranians were the non German nation that was most sympathetic to Nazism. The Iranians responded far more favorably to Nazism than even the Arabs did, which is saying a lot because the Arabs themselves were huge fans of Nazism.

    You can tell a lot about a people by who hates them and who admires them. I have never seen an antisemite who didn’t absolutely love Iranians, to the point of regarding them as some sort of master race. And it’s simply not true. Iranians are morons and just because they have managed to make better drones than Turkey and keep their fleet of F-17s flying through a mixture of cannibalization of existing stocks, smuggling and knock off parts from Russia and China (as Iranians themselves are too stupid to make replacement parts for a 1960s aircraft) doesn’t change that. Also, they got absolutely waxed by Saddam in their war and the cowardly Iranians were expecting the international community to bail them out. Once they saw that wouldn’t happen they folded like the impotent cowards they always have been.

    I don’t even like Iranian Jews, if I’m being honest. They have debased Iranian blood.

    Despite all this, I still support Iran against the United States. I simply cannot make myself support the US. Death to America.

    Re MarbledSteaks comment about Amalek: Amalek is a spiritual lineage, not a physical one. Hasidic tradition held long before Hitler was even in politics that an Amalekite would eventually rule Germany. Any Kabbalist will tell you that those hung at Nuremberg were Haman’s reincarnated sons (Goering was the reincarnation of Haman’s daughter). This is hardly new stuff.

    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Greasy William


    The Iranians and Lebanese are both extremely primitive and stupid peoples.
     
    Actually, Persians and Lebanese are the two most cultured and intelligent people in the Middle East.

    https://youtu.be/5tFhDc5SO3c

    Just admit it, you don’t like them because Hezbollah bitch-slapped the IDF back to Tel Aviv.

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    , @AaronB
    @Greasy William

    Greasy, you're out of your mind. You're being as much an Ugly Jew as Ivashka is being an Ugly Russian.

    Yahya is right that the Persians and Lebanese are some of the most cultured and refined people in the Middle East and their cultures are some of the most interesting. They have shitty rulers, although they cannot be absolved of all blame - none of us can for the shitty state of our society.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William

    You have just confirmed that you truly are a ty American, your knowledge of history is abysmal and you are prone to infantile oversimplification.

    So before we continue this dialog, I am inclined to ask whether you are somewhat interested in historical truths or if the Judeo-Biblical BS is sufficient for your level of intelligence?

    I am asking because it would take me some time to explain everything you got wrong with this idiotic comment of yours.

    I have grown lazy lately and I am not inclined anymore in writing lengthy replies.

    I would spare myself the effort if you keep being as closed-minded as you were while writing all this garbage above.

    🙂

    And yeah, before you answer, do you know why the Babylonian Talmud is named the way it is, and who ruled the land where the two academies in which it was written down were located?

    Replies: @Dmitry

  129. @Yahya
    @Greasy William


    I thought the Crimeans were with the Russians?
     
    Just as American society is split politically, I’d imagine the same applies to Chechnya and Crimea.

    https://youtu.be/AQhV__fmvAo

    https://www.dw.com/en/chechen-and-tatar-muslims-take-up-arms-to-fight-for-ukraine/a-61174375

    Replies: @Greasy William

    No, all Muslims in a given country agree on all issues

  130. @silviosilver
    @Yevardian

    Check out this guy, one Amir Hetsroni. He is very worked up about Israel's transformation.

    youtube 4iqzCnm-gCM

    Some choice comments beginning at 31 minutes.


    tl;dr

    - wishes "Palestine" had become part of the UK rather than seeking Israeli independence
    - hates Mizrahi culture and wishes they had never arrived (elsewhere I've heard him say "this country wasn't made for you")
    - says it would have been better if, "like in Herzl's Europe," everybody [in Israel] were white, everybody speaking German
    - the interviewer tells him his wife is Yemeni Jew; Hetsroni: "How low can you go?!?"

    Unfortunately, in a thousand other ways he is a standard leftist degenerate idiot, and mostly gives evasive answers.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

    out this guy,

    That’s a kind of troll or comedian.

    He says anti-Moroccan racists views and he jokes about himself.

    Then Moroccans hits him with a chair and he cries and is more racist.

    Then the media in Israel laughs about it.

    If you ignore all the Israel-Palestinian violence, the country feels like quite organized, liberal place. Maybe not so different than New Zealand or Canada etc.

    But unlike New Zealand or Canada, the population in Israel are not sophisticated anglosaxons, but simple rednecks. Beating the nerds is kind of national hobby.

    I guess Hetsroni is an example of someone who is choosing to be a kind of role, because it gives him attention.

  131. @German_reader
    Already commented on it in the previous thread, Visegrad 24 now celebrating Polish "volunteers" taking part in the raid on Belgorod:
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-219/#comment-5993717

    What's their excuse exactly? Neither from a country that has been attacked by Russia nor Russian "dissidents".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Pixo, @Mikel

    It looks like an intelligent provocation by the Ukrainians. If constant raids and shelling of mainland Russia doesn’t force them to divert enough forces from the fronts, let’s try invading Russian sovereign territory with Polish soldiers.

    But of course they’re playing with fire, as they’ve done from the beginning. I don’t see too much outrage in Russian TG channels though. Perhaps the idea that Russia if effectively fighting NATO sank in a long time ago and everybody’s now concentrated on the actual Ukrainian counteroffensive in the Southeast, which could well be as successful as the one last year.

    Only one thing is for certain: if some Russian politician utters some threat against Poland for this provocation many people in Eastern Europe will interpret it as further proof of Russia’s imperialist threat and Western MSM will also report it as such, not having informed of the earlier Polish militants’ incursion.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikel

    This can't be a surprise for Russia. What is the Ukrainian goal for these attacks, if any?

    Here are a few possibilities:

    -Prompt Russia to act precipitously in a way that would draw NATO into the fighting more visibly? I don't know what this action would be, perhaps major airstrikes on Kiev? I don't know what NATO could do about that.

    -Distract Russia from the fighting in Ukraine? How?

    -Promote regime change in Russia? How?

    -Cause Russia to expand call ups and mobilization? How does this benefit Ukraine?

    -Cause Russia to clamp down on internal dissent?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @German_reader
    @Mikel

    The big question for me is if these people are really just "volunteers" (presumably fringe right-wingers) or if there's support for them from the Polish military, intelligence services etc.
    If it's the former, it may not matter that much. If it's the latter, well, that should change a lot of things (but of course it wouldn't).
    Anyway, I probably should stop commenting on this war. Read a prediction in a piece by Samuel Charap (in Foreign affairs, in case anyone is interested) that the war might last a decade, unless there's a determined effort for bringing about a ceasefire (which seems pretty unlikely). Haha, just great. Though I'm beginning to no longer care. Given the trajectory of Western societies, it might just as well end in nuclear annihilation from my pov.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  132. I’d read a lot more history, if more of it survived, and if there was more of a prospect of connecting to it genealogically, however difficult the process might be.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  133. QCIC says:
    @Lurker
    @John Johnson


    Russians are still fighting Russians in Belgorod
     
    I've noticed this ambiguous terminology elsewhere. These guys have only been operating on the border, just inside the Belgorod oblast. They have never made it anywhere near Belgorod - the more significant town miles from the border.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    I wonder if attacks within Russia change the legal definition of the conflict? The SMO was “special” and may have been legally restricted.

    Do these attacks automatically invoke some level of martial law? Was martial law already in place as part of the SMO and if so, how do these attacks change matters?

    Assuming the attackers are actually Russian citizens, does this leave dealing with them under the legal purview of domestic terrorist laws as opposed to rules which apply to foreign combatants or foreign terrorists?

  134. 69% of Finns trust most of the news most of the time.

    (Don’t know who made up these numbers.)

    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    It is from a Reuters study. (1)

     
    https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/7248.jpeg
     

    The U.S. groups well with the most cynical Europeans.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/where-trust-news-highest-lowest

  135. @AnonfromTN
    Ukrainian “counter-offensive” started yesterday (although officially Ukie puppets say that it did not start, apparently will announce when and if they achieve anything with PR value). So far mostly failures, with bad PR for Western weapons (including particularly devastating PR for French tanks AMX-10R).

    As empty hot air here affects exactly nothing, I discontinue my participation in worthless discussions. Bye-bye.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Gerard1234, @sudden death, @Barbarossa

    Ukrainian “counter-offensive” started yesterday

    Strelkov’s opinion for comparison:

    Having analyzed the various incoming messages from the battle sites in the Volnovakh direction – it is permissible to conclude that (based on the number of forces engaged by the enemy) – if these attacks are part of a planned offensive, then it is either a relatively large-scale reconnaissance battle, or an auxiliary or diversionary strike.

    No more than one motorized infantry battalion was introduced into the battle in any of the areas where the enemy is attacking. On some sections – 1-2 companies reinforced by tanks or even less.
    If the enemy is trying to attack precisely here and now, then his attacks are of an exclusively tactical nature.

    https://t.me/strelkovii/5273

    • Replies: @Sean
    @sudden death

    The Ukrainian military spokesman said only the other day the counterattack will be disguised by diversionary pseudo offensives. So that is what Kiev wants the Kremlin to think, because it will not be happening, This initial push is along the main axis of attack. Low quality equipped mainly ethnic Russian Ukrainian units will be used first to soak up Russian firepower and the main weight of the Ukrainian force equipped to Nato standards will be thrown in subsequently but only if there seems to be a chance of making headway. Which there probably won't be. Zelensky is intending to do just enough to keep Western support at the current level and no more than will enable the offensive core of his army to remain intact, unless it is opportune to go all out.

    , @Philip Owen
    @sudden death

    Agree.

    There will be efforts to drag the Russian reserves from place to place until they bunch up and leave large gaps.

    Replies: @Sean

  136. @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    A word of caution before you leave for the West. Red Rock country canyons have been quite dangerous this spring. There have already been some fatalities. We’ve had a combination of risk factors since early May. On the one hand, we’ve had the snowiest winter in Utah since records began. This means unprecedented amounts of melt water flowing through the river beds. Apparently, most of the melt is occurring during the sunshine hours in the high terrain and some hours later it shows up in the canyons downstream as a sudden wall of water. On the other hand, we’ve been stuck in a monsoon kind of pattern for a month now. Again, sporadic heavy rainfall is falling at high elevations and creating the typical summer flash flood conditions later on in the canyons. No park is closed but there’s been lots of warnings to stay out of the slot canyons.

    I’ve been reading on the Sierra High Route and this guy has an excellent report of his trip in 2017 with gorgeous pictures: https://www.trailnamebackstroke.com/sierra-high-route-2017 but I’ve actually cooled down on the idea of doing this route after reading about those swarms of mosquitos in some parts of the hike. Apparently, the benign California climate creates Arctic-like conditions in the swampy areas of the High Sierras and in summer you have to face the same conditions as in Northern Canada or Siberia. That’s a much bigger concern for me than bears. I know for a fact that as soon as news of my presence spread, half the mosquitoes in California will abandon their prey and come for me instead. Perhaps I should try it outside of the summer months or somehow skip those swampy areas. Or perhaps it’s just a sporadic problem. I’ve camped in the high Yosemite terrain in summer and didn’t have any issues.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Mikel

    Thanks for all that info Mikel - that's definitely helpful, and I might end up going to Montana this early in the summer, where I've never explored extensively. I won't really be able to access the high country but maybe there are lower elevation hikes worth doing and just generally basking in the scenery.

    I'm still very undecided. But I'm not too worried because my work pattern for the next few months will be one month away, and a few weeks back, repeat - so lots of trips this summer and fall and I won't miss out!

    Last September I actually ran into a flash flood hiking the Canyonlands Syncline Loop - I was the only idiot on the trail for hours, until I noticed that the sky was ominously black, and suddenly remembered the danger of flash floods in canyon country lol.

    I reached the climb up out of the canyon section by the skin of my teeth, when just then the heavens opened and it poured. Moments later a deep rumbling sound and water and debris gushing through where I had been standing a short while before.

    It was only 2-3 feet high so I don't think it wouldn't have swept me away or killed me, but it would have made my day much more difficult, and was a sobering reminder of the power of nature.

    It was beautiful though - sudden waterfalls came crashing off the high cliffs in four different areas, it was incredible.

    I have heard this winter was unusually wet out West.

    Thanks for they website on the high route - I'll definitely look into that!

    My understanding is that the mosquitos are mostly gone by September, which is when I plan on going, but I'm not sure. Its an issue not to be taken lightly though, I agree.

    But with permethtin on clothes and deer, and maybe a head net, it might be ok.

    In the Wind River Range the muzzies are largely gone by August. My first August there there were none, last summer there was very light muzzie pressure but no big deal. So there is variance.

    This year the black flies have been killing me in upstate NY for some reason - truly a scourge!

    But I suppose this is what we must out up with for beauty.

    Replies: @Mikel

  137. Sean says:
    @AaronB
    @John Johnson

    I was in Monastery of Christ in the Desert in New Mexico last summer, it's very beautifully situated in a red rock canyon down a ten mile dirt road, which is a fun drive.

    It has a room devoted to local writers on the wilderness with books and displays, and what I call spiritual music playing. It's very cool that they emphasize the connection between spirituality and the wilderness like that.

    Anyways, I interacted with an extremely tall Black monk, bought the letters of Thomas Merton from the bookstore. He was wearing long black robes and he just seemed like a wizard, it gave me a strange supernatural thrill.

    He was a sweet man and had such an impractical and otherworldly air to him that I immediately thought it would be impossible for him to function in regular society, and I wondered if that's why he entered the monastery or if living the spiritual life made him useless in ordinary competitive society.

    I have a lot of the monk in my nature and long to retreat to my wilderness hermitage, and find I can just barely function in normal society - just barely, and I'm becoming more useless by the day I think. I suspect I will return from my trip out West several degrees more useless to society than now! Each trip I grow more and more useless and distant from normal society.

    But I can't fit into any conventional religion nor abide by restrictive social structures, so I think the Taoist model of the Old Man Laughing in the Mountains will be more my lot as I age, wandering the high peaks im bliss and freedom until the vultures pick my bones clean.

    Replies: @Sean

    He was a sweet man and had such an impractical and otherworldly air to him that I immediately thought it would be impossible for him to function in regular society

    According to Carl Schmitt, he real world is for those who identify the enemy, who one might have to kill, which is politics. Not doing this is religion. At some moments in history where the authority of the Church has suddenly declined, priests and nuns have left their holy orders and got married. Not just back in the Reformation, the collapse of Catholicism in Quebec saw this happening. So you cannot say those who are asexual with an ethereal presence are the essence of religion whether organised or otherwise.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Sean

    Well you know me, I have this crazy idea that Jesus actually meant what he said, and that religion really does mean to live lives that go against the ways of this world, but that's just me and my crazy ways.

    The more I read about Carl Schmitt the more he seems like an awful person.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  138. QCIC says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader

    It looks like an intelligent provocation by the Ukrainians. If constant raids and shelling of mainland Russia doesn't force them to divert enough forces from the fronts, let's try invading Russian sovereign territory with Polish soldiers.

    But of course they're playing with fire, as they've done from the beginning. I don't see too much outrage in Russian TG channels though. Perhaps the idea that Russia if effectively fighting NATO sank in a long time ago and everybody's now concentrated on the actual Ukrainian counteroffensive in the Southeast, which could well be as successful as the one last year.

    Only one thing is for certain: if some Russian politician utters some threat against Poland for this provocation many people in Eastern Europe will interpret it as further proof of Russia's imperialist threat and Western MSM will also report it as such, not having informed of the earlier Polish militants' incursion.

    Replies: @QCIC, @German_reader

    This can’t be a surprise for Russia. What is the Ukrainian goal for these attacks, if any?

    Here are a few possibilities:

    -Prompt Russia to act precipitously in a way that would draw NATO into the fighting more visibly? I don’t know what this action would be, perhaps major airstrikes on Kiev? I don’t know what NATO could do about that.

    -Distract Russia from the fighting in Ukraine? How?

    -Promote regime change in Russia? How?

    -Cause Russia to expand call ups and mobilization? How does this benefit Ukraine?

    -Cause Russia to clamp down on internal dissent?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...Distract Russia from the fighting in Ukraine? How?
     
    That seems to be the main reason, and the media-morale benefits in Ukraine and the West.

    Ukraine needs to stretch the Russian forces along the very long potential front. Russia has underpowered its war effort so far and they are thinly stretched. It makes any local Ukie offensive more likely to succeed.

    It is strategically self-defeating and accelerates Russia's gathering of its strength. It would only work if Russia would decide to pack up and agree to a compromise - the best outcome that Kiev can hope for. But the constant escalations and provocations are making it less likely. All it does is the increased cost in human lives, Western treasure, prolongs the war and makes any deal impossible.

    But it is useful for Zelko and his sponsors, so the escalations will continue. These guys are so short-sided they couldn't fight their way out of a potato sack...

    Replies: @QCIC

  139. From Anatoly Crimeus Karlin:

    @XiXiDu @Roko__eth A sovereign Russia with economies of scale was the right’s one main hope for a non-GAE/CPC global alternative. I for one will enjoy seeing Western rightoids who were too dumb to realize that and supported Ukraine getting crushed under Woke boots when they get too uppity. Perhaps…

    By that logic, should Western rightoids have supported the Nazis, Italian Fascists, and Imperial Japanese during WWII? After all, had these countries won WWII, it’s entirely possible that they would have been more attractive right-wing models (minus the genocide/ethnic cleansing) relative to the West (which in real life succumbed to liberalism, multiculturalism, political correctness, and eventually Wokeness) in the post-WWII decades.

    xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/4ewqsn/war_sentiment_by_states_from_a_gallup_poll_in/

    Apparently Southerners (the most based and rightoid part of the US) were the part of the US who were most eager for the US to enter WWII before Pearl Harbor.

    Anyway, back to my main point:

    A victorious Russia in Ukraine would not have prevented Western rightoids from being oppressed back in their home countries and it would not have been a very impressive civilizational model either due to the fact that it doesn’t spend that much on R & D relative to the EU and doesn’t have that much elite science production relative to the EU either. There’s also the little problem that smart Russians are less favorably inclined towards Russian nationalism than smart Ukrainians are towards (moderate) Ukrainian nationalism. Ukraine is more ideal for right-wingers since nationalism there appeals even more to elites than it does to ordinary people, the inverse of the human capital problem that rightoids experience in most other countries worldwide.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    To elaborate on this: Russia should not have placed Western rightoids in a position where they "needed" to choose between supporting Ukrainian independence and supporting greater economies of scale for Russia. Had Russians actually been willing to breed much more, similar to Israeli Jews, then Western rightoids could have had both of these things without any problem or conflicts. But No, Russians don't care about achieving greater economies of scale the ethical way. It's either through conquest or not at all! :(

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    By Anatoly Crimeus Karlin's logic, should Western rightoids have supported Japan's conquest of Manchuria in 1931 (likely against the will of the Manchurian people), Japan's attempted conquest of the rest of China in 1937 and beyond (against the will of the Chinese people), and Nazi Germany's conquest of Czechia in early 1939 (against the will of the Czech people; this was before Nazi Germany began engaging in mass murder) because this would make Japan and Nazi Germany more attractive alternative right-wing models relative to the West?

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ


    should Western rightoids have supported the Nazis, Italian Fascists, and Imperial Japanese during WWII?
     
    Yes.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  140. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    Disagree with you about a lot, but I will miss your comments.
    Take care of yourself, all the best.
     
    Thanks! I just have a lot of things to write that can actually make a difference, at least for the scientific field I am in.

    Commenting here is worthless and non-adaptive, like displacement behavior in animals when they are hopelessly confused and/or frightened out of their wits.

    If I manage to transfer some money to Russia despite current roadblocks, I would be able to do something real, like helping civilian victims of Ukie aggression.

    All the best to you!

    Replies: @QCIC, @orchardist

    Good luck unlocking Nature’s secrets!

  141. @Emil Nikola Richard
    69% of Finns trust most of the news most of the time.

    https://i.redd.it/tn21ihc9c64b1.jpg

    (Don't know who made up these numbers.)

    Replies: @A123

    It is from a Reuters study. (1)

     

     

    The U.S. groups well with the most cynical Europeans.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/where-trust-news-highest-lowest

  142. Sean says:
    @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    Ukrainian “counter-offensive” started yesterday
     
    Strelkov's opinion for comparison:

    Having analyzed the various incoming messages from the battle sites in the Volnovakh direction - it is permissible to conclude that (based on the number of forces engaged by the enemy) - if these attacks are part of a planned offensive, then it is either a relatively large-scale reconnaissance battle, or an auxiliary or diversionary strike.

    No more than one motorized infantry battalion was introduced into the battle in any of the areas where the enemy is attacking. On some sections - 1-2 companies reinforced by tanks or even less.
    If the enemy is trying to attack precisely here and now, then his attacks are of an exclusively tactical nature.
     
    https://t.me/strelkovii/5273

    Replies: @Sean, @Philip Owen

    The Ukrainian military spokesman said only the other day the counterattack will be disguised by diversionary pseudo offensives. So that is what Kiev wants the Kremlin to think, because it will not be happening, This initial push is along the main axis of attack. Low quality equipped mainly ethnic Russian Ukrainian units will be used first to soak up Russian firepower and the main weight of the Ukrainian force equipped to Nato standards will be thrown in subsequently but only if there seems to be a chance of making headway. Which there probably won’t be. Zelensky is intending to do just enough to keep Western support at the current level and no more than will enable the offensive core of his army to remain intact, unless it is opportune to go all out.

  143. Mr. Consistent Senior strikes again;)

    Former President Donald Trump said Thursday he doesn’t like the term “woke,” …
    ……………….
    Speaking at a campaign event outside Des Moines, Trump said he doesn’t like the term because “half the people can’t even define it” and “don’t know what it is.”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/06/01/trump-says-he-doesnt-like-the-term-woke-the-republican-buzzword-hes-repeatedly-used/?sh=288cc8011953

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death

    I do not like using spectrum "Left/Right". Trump is pro-worker Populists. Is that Left! Or, Right? That being stated, one has to use words that the target audience will understand. I thus use those terms even though I do not particularly like them.

    So, yet another swing and an miss by the highly emotional & increasingly desperate #NeverTrump cultists.

    Why do you support Not-The-President Biden?

    PEACE 😇

  144. @Mr. XYZ
    From Anatoly Crimeus Karlin:

    @XiXiDu @Roko__eth A sovereign Russia with economies of scale was the right's one main hope for a non-GAE/CPC global alternative. I for one will enjoy seeing Western rightoids who were too dumb to realize that and supported Ukraine getting crushed under Woke boots when they get too uppity. Perhaps…
     
    By that logic, should Western rightoids have supported the Nazis, Italian Fascists, and Imperial Japanese during WWII? After all, had these countries won WWII, it's entirely possible that they would have been more attractive right-wing models (minus the genocide/ethnic cleansing) relative to the West (which in real life succumbed to liberalism, multiculturalism, political correctness, and eventually Wokeness) in the post-WWII decades.

    xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/4ewqsn/war_sentiment_by_states_from_a_gallup_poll_in/

    Apparently Southerners (the most based and rightoid part of the US) were the part of the US who were most eager for the US to enter WWII before Pearl Harbor.

    Anyway, back to my main point:

    A victorious Russia in Ukraine would not have prevented Western rightoids from being oppressed back in their home countries and it would not have been a very impressive civilizational model either due to the fact that it doesn't spend that much on R & D relative to the EU and doesn't have that much elite science production relative to the EU either. There's also the little problem that smart Russians are less favorably inclined towards Russian nationalism than smart Ukrainians are towards (moderate) Ukrainian nationalism. Ukraine is more ideal for right-wingers since nationalism there appeals even more to elites than it does to ordinary people, the inverse of the human capital problem that rightoids experience in most other countries worldwide.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool

    To elaborate on this: Russia should not have placed Western rightoids in a position where they “needed” to choose between supporting Ukrainian independence and supporting greater economies of scale for Russia. Had Russians actually been willing to breed much more, similar to Israeli Jews, then Western rightoids could have had both of these things without any problem or conflicts. But No, Russians don’t care about achieving greater economies of scale the ethical way. It’s either through conquest or not at all! 🙁

  145. @Mr. XYZ
    From Anatoly Crimeus Karlin:

    @XiXiDu @Roko__eth A sovereign Russia with economies of scale was the right's one main hope for a non-GAE/CPC global alternative. I for one will enjoy seeing Western rightoids who were too dumb to realize that and supported Ukraine getting crushed under Woke boots when they get too uppity. Perhaps…
     
    By that logic, should Western rightoids have supported the Nazis, Italian Fascists, and Imperial Japanese during WWII? After all, had these countries won WWII, it's entirely possible that they would have been more attractive right-wing models (minus the genocide/ethnic cleansing) relative to the West (which in real life succumbed to liberalism, multiculturalism, political correctness, and eventually Wokeness) in the post-WWII decades.

    xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/4ewqsn/war_sentiment_by_states_from_a_gallup_poll_in/

    Apparently Southerners (the most based and rightoid part of the US) were the part of the US who were most eager for the US to enter WWII before Pearl Harbor.

    Anyway, back to my main point:

    A victorious Russia in Ukraine would not have prevented Western rightoids from being oppressed back in their home countries and it would not have been a very impressive civilizational model either due to the fact that it doesn't spend that much on R & D relative to the EU and doesn't have that much elite science production relative to the EU either. There's also the little problem that smart Russians are less favorably inclined towards Russian nationalism than smart Ukrainians are towards (moderate) Ukrainian nationalism. Ukraine is more ideal for right-wingers since nationalism there appeals even more to elites than it does to ordinary people, the inverse of the human capital problem that rightoids experience in most other countries worldwide.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool

    By Anatoly Crimeus Karlin’s logic, should Western rightoids have supported Japan’s conquest of Manchuria in 1931 (likely against the will of the Manchurian people), Japan’s attempted conquest of the rest of China in 1937 and beyond (against the will of the Chinese people), and Nazi Germany’s conquest of Czechia in early 1939 (against the will of the Czech people; this was before Nazi Germany began engaging in mass murder) because this would make Japan and Nazi Germany more attractive alternative right-wing models relative to the West?

  146. A123 says: • Website
    @sudden death
    Mr. Consistent Senior strikes again;)

    Former President Donald Trump said Thursday he doesn’t like the term “woke,” ...
    ...................
    Speaking at a campaign event outside Des Moines, Trump said he doesn’t like the term because “half the people can’t even define it” and “don’t know what it is.”
     
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/06/01/trump-says-he-doesnt-like-the-term-woke-the-republican-buzzword-hes-repeatedly-used/?sh=288cc8011953

    Replies: @A123

    I do not like using spectrum “Left/Right”. Trump is pro-worker Populists. Is that Left! Or, Right? That being stated, one has to use words that the target audience will understand. I thus use those terms even though I do not particularly like them.

    So, yet another swing and an miss by the highly emotional & increasingly desperate #NeverTrump cultists.

    Why do you support Not-The-President Biden?

    PEACE 😇

  147. @songbird
    I should like Mr. Hack to watch some of those Nork comedy films that I heard were on YouTube a few years ago, and to recommend the best one here.
    ___
    Have heard that native Irish sources don't say anything about putative pirate queen Grace O'Malley because she was a woman.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    “Nork Comedy” films? Is that some sort of dark Norwegian faire? Why waste your time and not go straight to the Finnish school of realism?

    [MORE]


    “Perfect for any occasion”

    Why pick on me? Are you trying to get me to bail, like poor Professor Tennessee?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Nork=North Korean

    Some years ago, I heard some guy mention that you can find a lot of subtitled old North Korean comedy films on YouTube. He contended that many of them were quite funny, but that they studiously avoided anything the regime might consider political.

    I thought of you mainly because I believe you are the biggest enthusiast of black and white films here.

  148. @Greasy William
    @Ivashka the fool

    The Iranian people never helped out the Jews, Cyrus did. That's one guy, not an entire nation. On the contrary, the Iranian people wanted to kill the Jews but Cyrus stopped them. That's the whole point of the Purim story. Jews and Iranians have always been enemies and this has always been acknowledged until Israel was created and people suddenly decided that actually they really were always BFF's.

    For my own sake, I try not to hate anyone (except for white liberals, but that doesn't count as white liberals are subhumans who should all be dead), however, I really dislike Iranians and Lebanese. And in both cases it isn't just the antisemitism. Antisemitism by itself usually doesn't bother me. What bothers me about Iranians and Lebanese is the combination of antisemitism with unreal levels of arrogance and a totally unjustified sense of superiority.

    The Iranians and Lebanese are both extremely primitive and stupid peoples. Their countries are absolute garbage and always have been. When Solemaini was assassinated, the Iranian response was to shoot down one of their own airliners, killing 300 of their own people. Then they trampled 80 people to death at Solemaini's funeral. This is primitive behavior that you only see in third world countries and you saw it because the Iranians are a third world people.

    We know form Nazi communications that the Iranians were the non German nation that was most sympathetic to Nazism. The Iranians responded far more favorably to Nazism than even the Arabs did, which is saying a lot because the Arabs themselves were huge fans of Nazism.

    You can tell a lot about a people by who hates them and who admires them. I have never seen an antisemite who didn't absolutely love Iranians, to the point of regarding them as some sort of master race. And it's simply not true. Iranians are morons and just because they have managed to make better drones than Turkey and keep their fleet of F-17s flying through a mixture of cannibalization of existing stocks, smuggling and knock off parts from Russia and China (as Iranians themselves are too stupid to make replacement parts for a 1960s aircraft) doesn't change that. Also, they got absolutely waxed by Saddam in their war and the cowardly Iranians were expecting the international community to bail them out. Once they saw that wouldn't happen they folded like the impotent cowards they always have been.

    I don't even like Iranian Jews, if I'm being honest. They have debased Iranian blood.

    Despite all this, I still support Iran against the United States. I simply cannot make myself support the US. Death to America.

    ...

    Re MarbledSteaks comment about Amalek: Amalek is a spiritual lineage, not a physical one. Hasidic tradition held long before Hitler was even in politics that an Amalekite would eventually rule Germany. Any Kabbalist will tell you that those hung at Nuremberg were Haman's reincarnated sons (Goering was the reincarnation of Haman's daughter). This is hardly new stuff.

    Replies: @Yahya, @AaronB, @Ivashka the fool

    The Iranians and Lebanese are both extremely primitive and stupid peoples.

    Actually, Persians and Lebanese are the two most cultured and intelligent people in the Middle East.

    Just admit it, you don’t like them because Hezbollah bitch-slapped the IDF back to Tel Aviv.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Yahya

    There is a difference between the people and the leadership.

    Persians, as a people, deserve better leadership. The religious zealots destroying Iran are abysmally stupid. The Iranian detonation of the Port of Beirut (through moronic negligence) has put Lebanon on a trajectory towards a failed state.

    Maronite Christians would prosper if a partition gave them their own nation. Alas, they are held back by lesser groups.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    Dude, that was back when I was super far right. Me and my internet Israeli friends at the time were cheering Hezbollah on for putting the "Yishmael Defense Forces" back in its place. We were saying, "Nasrallah avenges Gush Katif" and we really loved seeing Haifa get blasted.

    Of course, now I am more measured in my view of things.

    I don't like Lebanese because they are dirty and stupid but I will admit that the way they saved the settlements in Judea and Samaria in 2006 was praiseworthy.


    Actually, Persians and Lebanese are the two most cultured and intelligent people in the Middle East
     
    1. Sure they are: just ask them.
    2. Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians.

    Just admit it, you don’t like them because Hezbollah bitch-slapped the IDF back to Tel Aviv.
     
    That's not the issue. The issue is that they acted like it was some great achievement to defeat an army that hadn't won a war in nearly 40 years and had already been thoroughly defeated by rock armed Palestinian teenagers. It would be like me bragging about winning a street fight against a wheelchair bound midget.
    , @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    By the way, how do you explain with the hypothesis "Egypt needs genetic engineering", "Bedouins are stupid" etc. Arab Israelis have higher or lower test scores than Israeli Jews, depending on religion.


    In spite of the fact that in a population of 8-million Christian Arabs have been a small minority, they have had a substantial impact on Israeli life, especially in participation in high level education and subsequently – in the professions.

    For many years Christian Arabs in Israel have enjoyed the highest levels of matriculation and educational achievement. They have ranked highest by all criteria including the best quality of the matriculation certificate, especially with respect to the number of units studied in high school and the number of scientific areas taken during high school at the highest possible level.

    As good quality of high school education is a main requirement for upper education, the result has been that the rate of high school graduates who have earned university degrees has also been very high (Ratner, 2005; Talal, & Ben Rabi, 2001; Weingard, 2001).
     

    When the Muslim girls, go to the Christian schools.

    The two Nazareth Nuns' Schools have a long tradition of academic excellence. They are both co educational: in 2006 girls comprised 52% of the graduating class. The school's achievements have been impressive by all criteria. In 2002, the general eligibility for the matriculation certificate for Israelis and Arabs in Israel was just 55.5% and 51.5% respectively (Statistics, Israel, 2004, table 8.21). In that year over 95% of The Nazareth Nuns' School graduates were entitled to the matriculation certificate, scoring second highest among all Israeli schools (Ilan, 2002).

    -
    These institutions are examples of those that have always been run by a Christian organization. They have served all the Arab population, enabling many youngsters, especially young women who have not been able to leave their homes, to get high quality education. Take, for example, the Orthodox School in Haifa: Over 50% of its students at have been Muslim. The remaining 50% are Christians, Druze and Bedouin from all over Israel (Ratner, 2005). The school has a dormitory for male students, but for its female students it arranges reliable transportation allowing many of them come to Haifa from a variety of northern Arab cities and villages.

    We can thus conclude that those most likely to have benefitted from the openness of these high quality Christian schools have been Muslim Arab girls. While in the 19th century only upper middle- and high class Muslims would have considered sending their daughters to these schools, nowadays a unique cooperation between the Christian educational institutions and the parents of young Muslim girls allows for almost all talented girls living in the northern part of Israel to acquire excellent education. Many of the Christian schools offer grants to students from a low socio-economic background. In addition, transportation to school makes it possible for many girls, who cannot use public transportation because of traditional reasons, to arrive safely at school and benefit from the opportunity to concentrate on developing their intellectual abilities.
     

    https://www.scipress.com/ILSHS.32.175.pdf

    If from the Northern area of Israel, where the Bedouin lose the romantic traditional life, there are women with Phds. https://twitter.com/haneenshib

    Replies: @Yahya

  149. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Mikel
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    A word of caution before you leave for the West. Red Rock country canyons have been quite dangerous this spring. There have already been some fatalities. We've had a combination of risk factors since early May. On the one hand, we've had the snowiest winter in Utah since records began. This means unprecedented amounts of melt water flowing through the river beds. Apparently, most of the melt is occurring during the sunshine hours in the high terrain and some hours later it shows up in the canyons downstream as a sudden wall of water. On the other hand, we've been stuck in a monsoon kind of pattern for a month now. Again, sporadic heavy rainfall is falling at high elevations and creating the typical summer flash flood conditions later on in the canyons. No park is closed but there's been lots of warnings to stay out of the slot canyons.

    I've been reading on the Sierra High Route and this guy has an excellent report of his trip in 2017 with gorgeous pictures: https://www.trailnamebackstroke.com/sierra-high-route-2017 but I've actually cooled down on the idea of doing this route after reading about those swarms of mosquitos in some parts of the hike. Apparently, the benign California climate creates Arctic-like conditions in the swampy areas of the High Sierras and in summer you have to face the same conditions as in Northern Canada or Siberia. That's a much bigger concern for me than bears. I know for a fact that as soon as news of my presence spread, half the mosquitoes in California will abandon their prey and come for me instead. Perhaps I should try it outside of the summer months or somehow skip those swampy areas. Or perhaps it's just a sporadic problem. I've camped in the high Yosemite terrain in summer and didn't have any issues.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Thanks for all that info Mikel – that’s definitely helpful, and I might end up going to Montana this early in the summer, where I’ve never explored extensively. I won’t really be able to access the high country but maybe there are lower elevation hikes worth doing and just generally basking in the scenery.

    I’m still very undecided. But I’m not too worried because my work pattern for the next few months will be one month away, and a few weeks back, repeat – so lots of trips this summer and fall and I won’t miss out!

    Last September I actually ran into a flash flood hiking the Canyonlands Syncline Loop – I was the only idiot on the trail for hours, until I noticed that the sky was ominously black, and suddenly remembered the danger of flash floods in canyon country lol.

    I reached the climb up out of the canyon section by the skin of my teeth, when just then the heavens opened and it poured. Moments later a deep rumbling sound and water and debris gushing through where I had been standing a short while before.

    It was only 2-3 feet high so I don’t think it wouldn’t have swept me away or killed me, but it would have made my day much more difficult, and was a sobering reminder of the power of nature.

    It was beautiful though – sudden waterfalls came crashing off the high cliffs in four different areas, it was incredible.

    I have heard this winter was unusually wet out West.

    Thanks for they website on the high route – I’ll definitely look into that!

    My understanding is that the mosquitos are mostly gone by September, which is when I plan on going, but I’m not sure. Its an issue not to be taken lightly though, I agree.

    But with permethtin on clothes and deer, and maybe a head net, it might be ok.

    In the Wind River Range the muzzies are largely gone by August. My first August there there were none, last summer there was very light muzzie pressure but no big deal. So there is variance.

    This year the black flies have been killing me in upstate NY for some reason – truly a scourge!

    But I suppose this is what we must out up with for beauty.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AaronB


    I might end up going to Montana this early in the summer
     
    A good choice any time of the year. But be warned that, slot canyon danger aside, the combination of big amounts of snow left in the mountains and frequent storm clouds is giving Utah a very dramatic touch this year. It's beautiful anywhere you go.

    https://i.ibb.co/WvpmNZh/utahJune.jpg

    Replies: @AaronB

  150. @QCIC
    @Mikel

    This can't be a surprise for Russia. What is the Ukrainian goal for these attacks, if any?

    Here are a few possibilities:

    -Prompt Russia to act precipitously in a way that would draw NATO into the fighting more visibly? I don't know what this action would be, perhaps major airstrikes on Kiev? I don't know what NATO could do about that.

    -Distract Russia from the fighting in Ukraine? How?

    -Promote regime change in Russia? How?

    -Cause Russia to expand call ups and mobilization? How does this benefit Ukraine?

    -Cause Russia to clamp down on internal dissent?

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Distract Russia from the fighting in Ukraine? How?

    That seems to be the main reason, and the media-morale benefits in Ukraine and the West.

    Ukraine needs to stretch the Russian forces along the very long potential front. Russia has underpowered its war effort so far and they are thinly stretched. It makes any local Ukie offensive more likely to succeed.

    It is strategically self-defeating and accelerates Russia’s gathering of its strength. It would only work if Russia would decide to pack up and agree to a compromise – the best outcome that Kiev can hope for. But the constant escalations and provocations are making it less likely. All it does is the increased cost in human lives, Western treasure, prolongs the war and makes any deal impossible.

    But it is useful for Zelko and his sponsors, so the escalations will continue. These guys are so short-sided they couldn’t fight their way out of a potato sack…

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Beckow

    With the Russian kill ratio of > 5:1 and material exchange ratios probably worse, Ukraine has no sensible war objective. Any fighting they do costs more than it gains. The aim of the West seems to be to use up Ukraine and hopefully make Russia vulnerable in the process. The rabid NeoNazi thugs kill any Ukrainians with the common sense and balls to point this out.

    +++

    I think some of these recent attacks look like Russian false flags. The goal may be to create popular support and justification for moving on Kharkov.

    My wild speculation:

    The Russians will beef up border security from Belarus to Luhansk over the next several weeks. They will put out warnings that Kharkiv is at risk, so any helpless or retarded civilians still there will leave as best they can. Russia might open some sort of additional corridors for civilian refugees from the city to pass into Russia. While this is occurring the Russian missile attacks across the rest of the country will continue, possibly with more emphasis on rail infrastructure to the West.

    Next they will destroy any serious air defense capabilities remaining within 50 miles of the city, even out to Poltava. This will be completed using coordinated attacks with missiles and aircraft. Once the main SAMS are destroyed they will bomb all militarily relevant targets in and around the city. I think this campaign will use Su-34 and Tu-22M aircraft. Fuel bunkers, ammo dumps, airport runways and rail yards will be destroyed first. Next will be substations and communications infrastructure. This stage may proceed gradually as they monitor what the Ukrainians are doing in other areas of the conflict.

    The actual capture of the city of Kharkov is difficult for me to visualize. Wiki lists the metro population as ~ 1.7 million. Does anyone know how many people are still there? Whatever the number, the Ukrainian forces will use their own civilians as human shields making things as difficult as possible for the Russian troops. The way it plays out may depend on the number of AFU troops+NeoNazis+Ukr partisans versus the number of helpless civilians+non-combatants actually in the Kharkov metropolitan area. If the percentage of active fighters is high they may just lay siege. If there is a high proportion of civilians they may go in house to house. This depends on the the numbers on both sides including how many troops is Russia willing to commit to capture the city outright.

    +++

    If the Ukrainian leadership were smart they would surrender tomorrow. All of the surviving troops could potentially be organized into a fifth column and become a pain for Russia after the SMO ends. Eventually they will figure this out, but the cocky Ukrainians will demand unacceptable preconditions and concessions which will give Russia time to keep hammering away.

    Replies: @Derer

  151. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    "Nork Comedy" films? Is that some sort of dark Norwegian faire? Why waste your time and not go straight to the Finnish school of realism?


    https://i.etsystatic.com/17699147/r/il/ccc6fe/1743044374/il_fullxfull.1743044374_jrgu.jpg
    "Perfect for any occasion"

    Why pick on me? Are you trying to get me to bail, like poor Professor Tennessee?

    Replies: @songbird

    Nork=North Korean

    Some years ago, I heard some guy mention that you can find a lot of subtitled old North Korean comedy films on YouTube. He contended that many of them were quite funny, but that they studiously avoided anything the regime might consider political.

    I thought of you mainly because I believe you are the biggest enthusiast of black and white films here.

  152. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader

    It looks like an intelligent provocation by the Ukrainians. If constant raids and shelling of mainland Russia doesn't force them to divert enough forces from the fronts, let's try invading Russian sovereign territory with Polish soldiers.

    But of course they're playing with fire, as they've done from the beginning. I don't see too much outrage in Russian TG channels though. Perhaps the idea that Russia if effectively fighting NATO sank in a long time ago and everybody's now concentrated on the actual Ukrainian counteroffensive in the Southeast, which could well be as successful as the one last year.

    Only one thing is for certain: if some Russian politician utters some threat against Poland for this provocation many people in Eastern Europe will interpret it as further proof of Russia's imperialist threat and Western MSM will also report it as such, not having informed of the earlier Polish militants' incursion.

    Replies: @QCIC, @German_reader

    The big question for me is if these people are really just “volunteers” (presumably fringe right-wingers) or if there’s support for them from the Polish military, intelligence services etc.
    If it’s the former, it may not matter that much. If it’s the latter, well, that should change a lot of things (but of course it wouldn’t).
    Anyway, I probably should stop commenting on this war. Read a prediction in a piece by Samuel Charap (in Foreign affairs, in case anyone is interested) that the war might last a decade, unless there’s a determined effort for bringing about a ceasefire (which seems pretty unlikely). Haha, just great. Though I’m beginning to no longer care. Given the trajectory of Western societies, it might just as well end in nuclear annihilation from my pov.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Off-topic, but what do you think about this Twitter quote by Anatoly Crimeus Karlin?


    @XiXiDu @Roko__eth A sovereign Russia with economies of scale was the right's one main hope for a non-GAE/CPC global alternative. I for one will enjoy seeing Western rightoids who were too dumb to realize that and supported Ukraine getting crushed under Woke boots when they get too uppity. Perhaps…
     
    I think that he's underestimating the scale of the problem here (though many Western rightists are, regretfully, nevertheless pro-Russian). To elaborate on this, I don't think that Western rightists can, with a straight face, say that Woke statue demolitions (Woke cultural destruction) is unacceptable while at the same time saying that Russian cultural genocide against Ukrainians is acceptable. That would just make them blatant hypocrites.

    To elaborate on what I am talking about here, please see these two article, for instance:

    https://www.npr.org/2020/12/29/951206414/statue-of-lincoln-with-freed-slave-at-his-feet-is-removed-in-boston

    https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/12/portland-protesters-tear-down-roosevelt-lincoln-statues-during-day-of-rage/

    And frankly, I think that trying to erase Ukrainians' national identity and turn them into Russians is more destructive than tearing down some statues, however historically important they are.
  153. @John Johnson
    @German_reader

    Homos in the clergy and in monasteries were a problem already in the 11th century. Petrus Damiani wrote a book about it (liber Gomorrhanus). iirc he recommended infibulation as treatment.

    Was definitely a problem in the 1970s and 80s.

    Seems like for a long period it was the Catholic way to let gays quietly serve as priests and nuns.

    Have 5 kids and if one comes out gay then send him to the priesthood.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Typically the clergy was filled with Aristocrat’s third child. One son gets the estate, the next has to go and fight abroad. The third one joins the church.

  154. A123 says: • Website
    @Yahya
    @Greasy William


    The Iranians and Lebanese are both extremely primitive and stupid peoples.
     
    Actually, Persians and Lebanese are the two most cultured and intelligent people in the Middle East.

    https://youtu.be/5tFhDc5SO3c

    Just admit it, you don’t like them because Hezbollah bitch-slapped the IDF back to Tel Aviv.

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    There is a difference between the people and the leadership.

    Persians, as a people, deserve better leadership. The religious zealots destroying Iran are abysmally stupid. The Iranian detonation of the Port of Beirut (through moronic negligence) has put Lebanon on a trajectory towards a failed state.

    Maronite Christians would prosper if a partition gave them their own nation. Alas, they are held back by lesser groups.

    PEACE 😇

  155. @Yahya
    @Greasy William


    The Iranians and Lebanese are both extremely primitive and stupid peoples.
     
    Actually, Persians and Lebanese are the two most cultured and intelligent people in the Middle East.

    https://youtu.be/5tFhDc5SO3c

    Just admit it, you don’t like them because Hezbollah bitch-slapped the IDF back to Tel Aviv.

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    Dude, that was back when I was super far right. Me and my internet Israeli friends at the time were cheering Hezbollah on for putting the “Yishmael Defense Forces” back in its place. We were saying, “Nasrallah avenges Gush Katif” and we really loved seeing Haifa get blasted.

    Of course, now I am more measured in my view of things.

    I don’t like Lebanese because they are dirty and stupid but I will admit that the way they saved the settlements in Judea and Samaria in 2006 was praiseworthy.

    Actually, Persians and Lebanese are the two most cultured and intelligent people in the Middle East

    1. Sure they are: just ask them.
    2. Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians.

    Just admit it, you don’t like them because Hezbollah bitch-slapped the IDF back to Tel Aviv.

    That’s not the issue. The issue is that they acted like it was some great achievement to defeat an army that hadn’t won a war in nearly 40 years and had already been thoroughly defeated by rock armed Palestinian teenagers. It would be like me bragging about winning a street fight against a wheelchair bound midget.

  156. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Greasy William
    @Ivashka the fool

    The Iranian people never helped out the Jews, Cyrus did. That's one guy, not an entire nation. On the contrary, the Iranian people wanted to kill the Jews but Cyrus stopped them. That's the whole point of the Purim story. Jews and Iranians have always been enemies and this has always been acknowledged until Israel was created and people suddenly decided that actually they really were always BFF's.

    For my own sake, I try not to hate anyone (except for white liberals, but that doesn't count as white liberals are subhumans who should all be dead), however, I really dislike Iranians and Lebanese. And in both cases it isn't just the antisemitism. Antisemitism by itself usually doesn't bother me. What bothers me about Iranians and Lebanese is the combination of antisemitism with unreal levels of arrogance and a totally unjustified sense of superiority.

    The Iranians and Lebanese are both extremely primitive and stupid peoples. Their countries are absolute garbage and always have been. When Solemaini was assassinated, the Iranian response was to shoot down one of their own airliners, killing 300 of their own people. Then they trampled 80 people to death at Solemaini's funeral. This is primitive behavior that you only see in third world countries and you saw it because the Iranians are a third world people.

    We know form Nazi communications that the Iranians were the non German nation that was most sympathetic to Nazism. The Iranians responded far more favorably to Nazism than even the Arabs did, which is saying a lot because the Arabs themselves were huge fans of Nazism.

    You can tell a lot about a people by who hates them and who admires them. I have never seen an antisemite who didn't absolutely love Iranians, to the point of regarding them as some sort of master race. And it's simply not true. Iranians are morons and just because they have managed to make better drones than Turkey and keep their fleet of F-17s flying through a mixture of cannibalization of existing stocks, smuggling and knock off parts from Russia and China (as Iranians themselves are too stupid to make replacement parts for a 1960s aircraft) doesn't change that. Also, they got absolutely waxed by Saddam in their war and the cowardly Iranians were expecting the international community to bail them out. Once they saw that wouldn't happen they folded like the impotent cowards they always have been.

    I don't even like Iranian Jews, if I'm being honest. They have debased Iranian blood.

    Despite all this, I still support Iran against the United States. I simply cannot make myself support the US. Death to America.

    ...

    Re MarbledSteaks comment about Amalek: Amalek is a spiritual lineage, not a physical one. Hasidic tradition held long before Hitler was even in politics that an Amalekite would eventually rule Germany. Any Kabbalist will tell you that those hung at Nuremberg were Haman's reincarnated sons (Goering was the reincarnation of Haman's daughter). This is hardly new stuff.

    Replies: @Yahya, @AaronB, @Ivashka the fool

    Greasy, you’re out of your mind. You’re being as much an Ugly Jew as Ivashka is being an Ugly Russian.

    Yahya is right that the Persians and Lebanese are some of the most cultured and refined people in the Middle East and their cultures are some of the most interesting. They have shitty rulers, although they cannot be absolved of all blame – none of us can for the shitty state of our society.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AaronB

    1. You are stanning for literal Nazis
    2. How is Ivashka an "Ugly Russian"? He has shown some sympathy with Ukrainians
    3. Lebanese are descended from the Canaanites. Hell, they are even proud of it
    4. Iranians essentially invented antisemitism
    5. Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians
    6. As I'm sure you well know, our prophets tell us that the coalition that will attack us in our final war will include Iran

    stop simping for Nazis

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    Culturally you are not so far from Ivaskha. You are representative of a late 20th century capitalist bohemian culture of New York. Bashibuzuk is representative of late Soviet bohemian culture of Moscow.

    I would agree Bashibuzuk has more snobby ego boosting against provincial people and "racially impure", you don't have so much snobby views to them. Maybe individual differences, because I'm not sure Brooklyn Jewish culture are more inclusive than late Soviet Moscow slavophiles. But bohemians of late Cold War New York and Moscow, are both in the Rousseau cult. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-219/#comment-5992399

    You like trail running in the forest? What kind of nikes do you use?

    Replies: @AaronB

  157. That megadam in Ethiopia is supposed to generate 5,000MW.

    Japan’s biggest nuclear power plant generates 7,965MW.

  158. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Sean
    @AaronB


    He was a sweet man and had such an impractical and otherworldly air to him that I immediately thought it would be impossible for him to function in regular society
     
    According to Carl Schmitt, he real world is for those who identify the enemy, who one might have to kill, which is politics. Not doing this is religion. At some moments in history where the authority of the Church has suddenly declined, priests and nuns have left their holy orders and got married. Not just back in the Reformation, the collapse of Catholicism in Quebec saw this happening. So you cannot say those who are asexual with an ethereal presence are the essence of religion whether organised or otherwise.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Well you know me, I have this crazy idea that Jesus actually meant what he said, and that religion really does mean to live lives that go against the ways of this world, but that’s just me and my crazy ways.

    The more I read about Carl Schmitt the more he seems like an awful person.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @AaronB


    The more I read about Carl Schmitt the more he seems like an awful person.
     
    The book where Schmitt sets out the friend/enemy distinction is the 'Concept of the Political', he is trying to define the political and what sets it apart from other spheres of activity, theology, academia, economics etc. This was originally in the context of legal philosophy.

    He says in that text that it is possible that liberals may one day succeed in eliminating the political from social life as they aim to, but it is uncertain.

    'The Concept of the Political' is imo a subversive book, memorably it identifies the ways in which liberal humanitarianism can translate into the application of an extreme version of the friend/enemy distinction, where the humanitarian side ends up seeking to completely crush and dehumanise those they identify as opponents. The attempt to eliminate the friend/enemy distinction ultimately making it more salient.

    He was also a dark character, links to the Nazi leadership make him controversial.

    Replies: @AaronB

  159. @AaronB
    @Greasy William

    Greasy, you're out of your mind. You're being as much an Ugly Jew as Ivashka is being an Ugly Russian.

    Yahya is right that the Persians and Lebanese are some of the most cultured and refined people in the Middle East and their cultures are some of the most interesting. They have shitty rulers, although they cannot be absolved of all blame - none of us can for the shitty state of our society.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    1. You are stanning for literal Nazis
    2. How is Ivashka an “Ugly Russian”? He has shown some sympathy with Ukrainians
    3. Lebanese are descended from the Canaanites. Hell, they are even proud of it
    4. Iranians essentially invented antisemitism
    5. Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians
    6. As I’m sure you well know, our prophets tell us that the coalition that will attack us in our final war will include Iran

    stop simping for Nazis

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Greasy William

    I may have been born into the Jewish community, but I'm not a Jew anymore Greasy - except of course to anti-Semites.

    And I could care less that Lebanese are descended from Caananites lol. You're sounding like Ivashka here. Are you aware that "our" Prophets, who I admire very much, said that ultimately all the nations of the world will be blessed through Jews and will rejoice in God together, without conflict or division?

    I don't see much of they spirit in you.

    As for Nazis, I condemn them where I see them. Those Iranian and Lebanese factions that have similar attitudes, sure, but that's not the whole societies.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  160. @Yevardian
    @Greasy William


    And they had no problem allying with the haredim for decades to wage their war on the settlers. Awful people.
     
    Congratulations, you have reached A123 levels of retarded, uncritical Israel-worship.

    "War on the settlers" ....LOL, those poor innocent settlers squatting on the outskirts of decrepit old Arab villages, burning olive groves and engaging in price-tag attacks, showing nothing but contempt for the elected Israeli government and then calling in the IDF to (mostly unwillingly) to tear-gas and strip-search their neighbors when a few children start throwing rocks.

    Although, if you had ever bothered to try understanding Israeli society, you'd quickly understand why the settlers are a huge problem and total cancer on their body-politic, even from the perspective of thinking Israeli nationalists. Or at least it was, Avigdor Lieberman (for his many flaws and subsequent downfall) was an example of this hardnosed-but-commonsense attitude.
    Since true scum of the earth Naftali Bennet got elected to state leadership a few years ago it was just too much and I gave up on Israeli society generally, I couldn't even read about it anymore. Settlers are the future there.

    Under ordinary circumstances, regular Israelis would rather have nothing to do with the occupied territories, stay behind their 'Security Wall' and leave it at that, its the settlers and their incessant chimpouts and provocations that make it an unending domestic and international headache.

    But I will leave this topic to Dmitry, I'm uncertain you're worth arguing with on this.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    scum of the earth Naftali Bennet

    Greasy comments about Israel are generally everything incorrect. I guess he knows more about Russia and Prigozhin than Israel, which is to say a person who enjoys writing opposites of the available information.

    He probably combines his imagination, with people he talks with in the YouTube comments. So, if I said something about Russia, he will be writing “Russians are anti-racist anti-war liberals because my Russian friend in the YouTube comments section is writing like that” etc.

    But there is something about Bennett, who was a liberal at least in terms of the social policies.

    Bennett was maybe the similar political views as Joe Biden. He marketed for many years as religious rightwing, probably because he was working inside the religious nationalist party, as part of the tribal politics.

    He was supposed to be first religious Prime Minister in Israel, breaking the glass ceiling, while all the previous Prime Minister were secular Ashkenazim.

    Then he created coalition with the Islamic party, prioritized the progressive agenda of LGBT, disabled peoples’ rights, secular marriage, minorities, environmentalism. He cancelled the oil pipeline to UAE for environmental reasons. He increases funding for LGBT organizations, increases funding for Arab students etc.

    I.e. he followed a liberal policy.

    By the way, he always wears the small hat and promotes as a religious nationalist, but his family shows different reality.

    Religious national Jews are supposed to marry virgin women from their own community, who wear head covers and, especially the women in their community are not allowed to wear trousers.

    But Bennett’s wife is doesn’t cover hair and Bennett doesn’t stop her wearing trousers for interviews, where she is saying she is not secular, just “ex-secular”.

    I watched an interview of her, with aggressive interviewer saying about stories she is a really secular liar, and she is saying “I’m not secular”.

    In 3:01 in the video , the interviewer says she was the chef for a pork and shrimp restaurant in New York. She is not disageeing, just saying she made desserts and was going home on Friday. The interviewer is really not believing her.

    For “right-wing religious politician” Naftali Bennett, who has a wife with trousers, who was chef in a pork and shrimp restaurant.

    It’s like if Bill and Hillary Clinton were electing from a religious rightwing part of the Republican Party. Then after winning election, they go to the liberal policies they really like.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry


    Bennett was maybe the similar political views as Joe Biden.
    ...
    He was supposed to be first religious Prime Minister in Israel, breaking the glass ceiling, while all the previous Prime Minister were secular Ashkenazim. Then he created coalition with the Islamic party, prioritized the progressive agenda of LGBT, disabled peoples’ rights, secular marriage, minorities, environmentalism.
     
    The coalition never made sense. It was every MK that opposed Netanyahu crammed together. There never was a coherent 'policy' concept. It only existed to string things along until a sham guilty verdict snared Bibi. However, the case is so riddled with flaws that even the corrupt judiciary could not find a conviction.

    I am not sure how much responsibility Bennett should personally bear. Anyone taking the top job with that coalition would be compromised and undermined before Day 1.
    ____

    Hopefully Netanyahu will push through the minimum necessary judicial reforms and begin whittling away at the imperial judiciary. Right now, the demonstrations are based in fear. Once in place and functioning, many will realize the panic is over hyped. The proposal is actually quite reasonable given how badly out of whack the temporary high court has become.

    Israel should finish their Constitution, but that is just too much to ask.

    PEACE 😇

  161. @Lurker
    @John Johnson


    Russians are still fighting Russians in Belgorod
     
    I've noticed this ambiguous terminology elsewhere. These guys have only been operating on the border, just inside the Belgorod oblast. They have never made it anywhere near Belgorod - the more significant town miles from the border.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    Russians are still fighting Russians in Belgorod

    I’ve noticed this ambiguous terminology elsewhere. These guys have only been operating on the border, just inside the Belgorod oblast. They have never made it anywhere near Belgorod – the more significant town miles from the border.

    What difference does it make? They’re doing small scale raids. They don’t need to be in downtown Belgorod.

  162. Greasy comments about Israel are generally everything incorrect. I guess he knows more about Russia and Prigozhin than Israel, which is to say a person who enjoys writing opposites of the available information.

    He probably combines his imagination, with people he talks with in the YouTube comments. So, if I said something about Russia, he will be writing “Russians are anti-racist anti-war liberals because my Russian friend in the YouTube comments section is writing like that” etc.

    It’s not like that at all. Israel is a complex society that is made up of Arabs, working class Mizrahim, a secular middle/upper class, National Religious Jews and haredim. And I know a hell of a lot more about the haredim than you do. And no, the haredi do not serve in combat units and you citing Nahal Haredi is total ignorance. The unit is notorious for being made up overwhelmingly of Hardalim and OTD haredim who already have one foot out of the community. The idea that any real haredim are ever going to serve in IDF combat units is so absurd that I can’t believe you’d even suggest it.

    I admit you know a lot more about the rootless, secular Israeli middle class than I do. You know lot’s of people who vote for Lapid. I don’t know any such people, nor do I want to. However, if you really knew as much about Israeli society as you like to say, you would know that Israeli society is extremely sectoral and the different sectors really don’t interact that much. Your typical National Religious person lives in a National Religious neighborhood and overwhelmingly only has National Religious friends. The Arabs and the haredim are nearly 100% insular. You know one sector of Israel very well and you think it makes you an expert on every other demographic in the country.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    I get called a Jew here all the time for supporting Ukraine and the vaccines. Those are normal positions outside of Unz. But the Jew haters view themselves as part of one giant battle against a Jewish conspiracy and Ukraine along with the vaccines are placed in the the other side.

    The amusing thing is that the Jew haters at Unz are lousy at identifying Jews. I could talk about cooking pulled pork or being raised in the church and the Jew haters will tell themselves that it's all some elaborate ruse. He must have read about youth group on the internet!!! Anecdotes from a Lutheran church must be part of his ploy!! Nice try Jew!!!

    To bring out actual Jews all you have to do is discuss the internal politics of Israel.

    It seems to be the issue they can never agree on.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

  163. QCIC says:
    @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...Distract Russia from the fighting in Ukraine? How?
     
    That seems to be the main reason, and the media-morale benefits in Ukraine and the West.

    Ukraine needs to stretch the Russian forces along the very long potential front. Russia has underpowered its war effort so far and they are thinly stretched. It makes any local Ukie offensive more likely to succeed.

    It is strategically self-defeating and accelerates Russia's gathering of its strength. It would only work if Russia would decide to pack up and agree to a compromise - the best outcome that Kiev can hope for. But the constant escalations and provocations are making it less likely. All it does is the increased cost in human lives, Western treasure, prolongs the war and makes any deal impossible.

    But it is useful for Zelko and his sponsors, so the escalations will continue. These guys are so short-sided they couldn't fight their way out of a potato sack...

    Replies: @QCIC

    With the Russian kill ratio of > 5:1 and material exchange ratios probably worse, Ukraine has no sensible war objective. Any fighting they do costs more than it gains. The aim of the West seems to be to use up Ukraine and hopefully make Russia vulnerable in the process. The rabid NeoNazi thugs kill any Ukrainians with the common sense and balls to point this out.

    +++

    I think some of these recent attacks look like Russian false flags. The goal may be to create popular support and justification for moving on Kharkov.

    My wild speculation:

    The Russians will beef up border security from Belarus to Luhansk over the next several weeks. They will put out warnings that Kharkiv is at risk, so any helpless or retarded civilians still there will leave as best they can. Russia might open some sort of additional corridors for civilian refugees from the city to pass into Russia. While this is occurring the Russian missile attacks across the rest of the country will continue, possibly with more emphasis on rail infrastructure to the West.

    Next they will destroy any serious air defense capabilities remaining within 50 miles of the city, even out to Poltava. This will be completed using coordinated attacks with missiles and aircraft. Once the main SAMS are destroyed they will bomb all militarily relevant targets in and around the city. I think this campaign will use Su-34 and Tu-22M aircraft. Fuel bunkers, ammo dumps, airport runways and rail yards will be destroyed first. Next will be substations and communications infrastructure. This stage may proceed gradually as they monitor what the Ukrainians are doing in other areas of the conflict.

    The actual capture of the city of Kharkov is difficult for me to visualize. Wiki lists the metro population as ~ 1.7 million. Does anyone know how many people are still there? Whatever the number, the Ukrainian forces will use their own civilians as human shields making things as difficult as possible for the Russian troops. The way it plays out may depend on the number of AFU troops+NeoNazis+Ukr partisans versus the number of helpless civilians+non-combatants actually in the Kharkov metropolitan area. If the percentage of active fighters is high they may just lay siege. If there is a high proportion of civilians they may go in house to house. This depends on the the numbers on both sides including how many troops is Russia willing to commit to capture the city outright.

    +++

    If the Ukrainian leadership were smart they would surrender tomorrow. All of the surviving troops could potentially be organized into a fifth column and become a pain for Russia after the SMO ends. Eventually they will figure this out, but the cocky Ukrainians will demand unacceptable preconditions and concessions which will give Russia time to keep hammering away.

    • LOL: sudden death, Mikel
    • Replies: @Derer
    @QCIC

    The Russian main preoccupation should be targeting and destroying the NATO military hardware shipment routes at the Ukraine's west borders.

  164. @AaronB
    @Greasy William

    Greasy, you're out of your mind. You're being as much an Ugly Jew as Ivashka is being an Ugly Russian.

    Yahya is right that the Persians and Lebanese are some of the most cultured and refined people in the Middle East and their cultures are some of the most interesting. They have shitty rulers, although they cannot be absolved of all blame - none of us can for the shitty state of our society.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    Culturally you are not so far from Ivaskha. You are representative of a late 20th century capitalist bohemian culture of New York. Bashibuzuk is representative of late Soviet bohemian culture of Moscow.

    I would agree Bashibuzuk has more snobby ego boosting against provincial people and “racially impure”, you don’t have so much snobby views to them. Maybe individual differences, because I’m not sure Brooklyn Jewish culture are more inclusive than late Soviet Moscow slavophiles. But bohemians of late Cold War New York and Moscow, are both in the Rousseau cult. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-219/#comment-5992399

    You like trail running in the forest? What kind of nikes do you use?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Am I the only one who sees that this new incarnation of Ivashka is basically a hardcore anti-Semite, racialist, and proto-fascist? Very sinister stuff coming from him the past few months, even though he tries to mix it with nice fake Buddhist stuff and pretend he's really a down to earth nice guy. Lately his comments read like they can come from any other part of the Unz review, which this part of the website always avoided for so long. He'd probably feel right at home on a Freud-Jung thread.

    I'm too much of a cultural mongrel, crossed too many cultural borders, to represent anything, really - I spent too many decades travelling all over Asia, too many years living in different countries, too much time alone out in nature, and read too many books from different cultures, and have had too many friends from different countries. I am a rootless cosmopolitan in the best sense and proud of it :) A citizen of the world who can say after the Roman playwright Terence - "Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto". This is the diametric opposite of what Bashi aspires to be with his national archetypes and what not.

    And I am nowhere near ambitious enough or obsessed with money and success enough to represent the capitalist Brooklyn Jewish culture :) That culture is also highly narcissistic, toxic, and dysfunctional for me to want to be any part of.

    We are not just deterministic products of the institutions that we grow up around, and do have personal agency, Dmitry, you incorrigible determinist :) Especially in this globalized age where we really can select from a wide range of cultural influences and expose ourselves to be shaped by really global influences.

    What Nikes indeed - very funny, very funny, Dmitry. You are behind the times - the new hot thing in bourgeois consumption is minimalist barefoot shoes for trail running, like Xeros :)

    Although I've been thinking of making my own Japanese straw sandals....

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

  165. @Greasy William

    Greasy comments about Israel are generally everything incorrect. I guess he knows more about Russia and Prigozhin than Israel, which is to say a person who enjoys writing opposites of the available information.

    He probably combines his imagination, with people he talks with in the YouTube comments. So, if I said something about Russia, he will be writing “Russians are anti-racist anti-war liberals because my Russian friend in the YouTube comments section is writing like that” etc.
     
    It's not like that at all. Israel is a complex society that is made up of Arabs, working class Mizrahim, a secular middle/upper class, National Religious Jews and haredim. And I know a hell of a lot more about the haredim than you do. And no, the haredi do not serve in combat units and you citing Nahal Haredi is total ignorance. The unit is notorious for being made up overwhelmingly of Hardalim and OTD haredim who already have one foot out of the community. The idea that any real haredim are ever going to serve in IDF combat units is so absurd that I can't believe you'd even suggest it.

    I admit you know a lot more about the rootless, secular Israeli middle class than I do. You know lot's of people who vote for Lapid. I don't know any such people, nor do I want to. However, if you really knew as much about Israeli society as you like to say, you would know that Israeli society is extremely sectoral and the different sectors really don't interact that much. Your typical National Religious person lives in a National Religious neighborhood and overwhelmingly only has National Religious friends. The Arabs and the haredim are nearly 100% insular. You know one sector of Israel very well and you think it makes you an expert on every other demographic in the country.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I get called a Jew here all the time for supporting Ukraine and the vaccines. Those are normal positions outside of Unz. But the Jew haters view themselves as part of one giant battle against a Jewish conspiracy and Ukraine along with the vaccines are placed in the the other side.

    The amusing thing is that the Jew haters at Unz are lousy at identifying Jews. I could talk about cooking pulled pork or being raised in the church and the Jew haters will tell themselves that it’s all some elaborate ruse. He must have read about youth group on the internet!!! Anecdotes from a Lutheran church must be part of his ploy!! Nice try Jew!!!

    To bring out actual Jews all you have to do is discuss the internal politics of Israel.

    It seems to be the issue they can never agree on.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @John Johnson

    Dmitry isn't a Jew, he just has a bizarre love affair with secular Israelis. And, I'm not gonna lie, I kinda have suspicions myself that you may be Jewish. Because for an anti liberal American to be so hostile to Russia/Putin is strange.

    I don't see what the vaccines have to do with Jews one way or the other.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @silviosilver

    , @A123
    @John Johnson


    The amusing thing is that the Jew haters at Unz are lousy at identifying Jews. I could talk about cooking pulled pork or being raised in the church and the Jew haters will tell themselves that it’s all some elaborate ruse
     
    I commiserate. Despite my obvious Christianity I am frequently called Jewish.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://i.imgflip.com/198z22.jpg
  166. @AaronB
    @Sean

    Well you know me, I have this crazy idea that Jesus actually meant what he said, and that religion really does mean to live lives that go against the ways of this world, but that's just me and my crazy ways.

    The more I read about Carl Schmitt the more he seems like an awful person.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    The more I read about Carl Schmitt the more he seems like an awful person.

    The book where Schmitt sets out the friend/enemy distinction is the ‘Concept of the Political’, he is trying to define the political and what sets it apart from other spheres of activity, theology, academia, economics etc. This was originally in the context of legal philosophy.

    He says in that text that it is possible that liberals may one day succeed in eliminating the political from social life as they aim to, but it is uncertain.

    ‘The Concept of the Political’ is imo a subversive book, memorably it identifies the ways in which liberal humanitarianism can translate into the application of an extreme version of the friend/enemy distinction, where the humanitarian side ends up seeking to completely crush and dehumanise those they identify as opponents. The attempt to eliminate the friend/enemy distinction ultimately making it more salient.

    He was also a dark character, links to the Nazi leadership make him controversial.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Coconuts

    My own views probably overlap more with liberalism than the right, but I'm opposed to the liberal attempt to force their views down others throats and punish dissenters, up to a point.

    I think moral education and spiritual evolution is the correct approach. Jesus warned long ago not to fight evil - because you become evil. Schmitt is identifying a danger of moralism that spiritual writers have been writing about for a long time.

    (I'm not of course saying that all versions of the Right are evil)

    Replies: @Coconuts

  167. @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    I get called a Jew here all the time for supporting Ukraine and the vaccines. Those are normal positions outside of Unz. But the Jew haters view themselves as part of one giant battle against a Jewish conspiracy and Ukraine along with the vaccines are placed in the the other side.

    The amusing thing is that the Jew haters at Unz are lousy at identifying Jews. I could talk about cooking pulled pork or being raised in the church and the Jew haters will tell themselves that it's all some elaborate ruse. He must have read about youth group on the internet!!! Anecdotes from a Lutheran church must be part of his ploy!! Nice try Jew!!!

    To bring out actual Jews all you have to do is discuss the internal politics of Israel.

    It seems to be the issue they can never agree on.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

    Dmitry isn’t a Jew, he just has a bizarre love affair with secular Israelis. And, I’m not gonna lie, I kinda have suspicions myself that you may be Jewish. Because for an anti liberal American to be so hostile to Russia/Putin is strange.

    I don’t see what the vaccines have to do with Jews one way or the other.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    Dmitry isn’t a Jew, he just has a bizarre love affair with secular Israelis. And, I’m not gonna lie, I kinda have suspicions myself that you may be Jewish. Because for an anti liberal American to be so hostile to Russia/Putin is strange.

    What exactly is strange about being anti-liberal and also opposing Putin?

    Let's review Putin's positions:
    Business rights - None, government can take your business at any time. Putin can have an executive executed and no investigation will occur. This has happened dozens of times. An oligarch steps out of line and falls down some stairs.
    Individual rights - None, can be sentenced to a labor colony for merely criticizing the government.
    Right to free association - Does not exist. Charges can be created for associating with political undesirables.
    Legal rights - None, Putin's government can override any specified legal right. Putin is not beholden to the legal system and can create laws and start wars without permission from the Duma.
    Gun rights - None, limited gun availability for hunting and the privilege can be arbitrarily revoked at any time.
    Political opposition to Putin - De facto banned through FSB executions of political leaders.
    Private media - De facto banned.
    Internet censorship - Fully supported

    What is strange is that so many on "alt-right" have rallied around a dictator dwarf and his totalitarian government just because he opposes ruling Western powers. It shows that many here have zero principles and only pretend to value free speech or other individual rights. Not a single dwarf defender has explained how having Slavs kill each other in trenches will undermine the Western status quo. This war has in fact reinvigorated NATO and US defense spending. French opposition to Ukraine joining NATO is over and previously neutral Finland has joined. Way to go dwarf.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @silviosilver
    @Greasy William


    Dmitry isn’t a Jew, he just has a bizarre love affair with secular Israelis.
     
    He is very cagey about how Jewish he is. Doesn't he claim to have a Jewish ancestor? And he seems to understand Hebrew, which would be a very unusual step for a non-Jew.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader, @Wokechoke

  168. @German_reader
    @Mikel

    The big question for me is if these people are really just "volunteers" (presumably fringe right-wingers) or if there's support for them from the Polish military, intelligence services etc.
    If it's the former, it may not matter that much. If it's the latter, well, that should change a lot of things (but of course it wouldn't).
    Anyway, I probably should stop commenting on this war. Read a prediction in a piece by Samuel Charap (in Foreign affairs, in case anyone is interested) that the war might last a decade, unless there's a determined effort for bringing about a ceasefire (which seems pretty unlikely). Haha, just great. Though I'm beginning to no longer care. Given the trajectory of Western societies, it might just as well end in nuclear annihilation from my pov.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Off-topic, but what do you think about this Twitter quote by Anatoly Crimeus Karlin?

    @XiXiDu @Roko__eth A sovereign Russia with economies of scale was the right’s one main hope for a non-GAE/CPC global alternative. I for one will enjoy seeing Western rightoids who were too dumb to realize that and supported Ukraine getting crushed under Woke boots when they get too uppity. Perhaps…

    I think that he’s underestimating the scale of the problem here (though many Western rightists are, regretfully, nevertheless pro-Russian). To elaborate on this, I don’t think that Western rightists can, with a straight face, say that Woke statue demolitions (Woke cultural destruction) is unacceptable while at the same time saying that Russian cultural genocide against Ukrainians is acceptable. That would just make them blatant hypocrites.

    To elaborate on what I am talking about here, please see these two article, for instance:

    https://www.npr.org/2020/12/29/951206414/statue-of-lincoln-with-freed-slave-at-his-feet-is-removed-in-boston

    https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/12/portland-protesters-tear-down-roosevelt-lincoln-statues-during-day-of-rage/

    And frankly, I think that trying to erase Ukrainians’ national identity and turn them into Russians is more destructive than tearing down some statues, however historically important they are.

  169. @Yahya
    @Greasy William


    The Iranians and Lebanese are both extremely primitive and stupid peoples.
     
    Actually, Persians and Lebanese are the two most cultured and intelligent people in the Middle East.

    https://youtu.be/5tFhDc5SO3c

    Just admit it, you don’t like them because Hezbollah bitch-slapped the IDF back to Tel Aviv.

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    By the way, how do you explain with the hypothesis “Egypt needs genetic engineering”, “Bedouins are stupid” etc. Arab Israelis have higher or lower test scores than Israeli Jews, depending on religion.

    In spite of the fact that in a population of 8-million Christian Arabs have been a small minority, they have had a substantial impact on Israeli life, especially in participation in high level education and subsequently – in the professions.

    For many years Christian Arabs in Israel have enjoyed the highest levels of matriculation and educational achievement. They have ranked highest by all criteria including the best quality of the matriculation certificate, especially with respect to the number of units studied in high school and the number of scientific areas taken during high school at the highest possible level.

    As good quality of high school education is a main requirement for upper education, the result has been that the rate of high school graduates who have earned university degrees has also been very high (Ratner, 2005; Talal, & Ben Rabi, 2001; Weingard, 2001).

    When the Muslim girls, go to the Christian schools.

    The two Nazareth Nuns’ Schools have a long tradition of academic excellence. They are both co educational: in 2006 girls comprised 52% of the graduating class. The school’s achievements have been impressive by all criteria. In 2002, the general eligibility for the matriculation certificate for Israelis and Arabs in Israel was just 55.5% and 51.5% respectively (Statistics, Israel, 2004, table 8.21). In that year over 95% of The Nazareth Nuns’ School graduates were entitled to the matriculation certificate, scoring second highest among all Israeli schools (Ilan, 2002).


    These institutions are examples of those that have always been run by a Christian organization. They have served all the Arab population, enabling many youngsters, especially young women who have not been able to leave their homes, to get high quality education. Take, for example, the Orthodox School in Haifa: Over 50% of its students at have been Muslim. The remaining 50% are Christians, Druze and Bedouin from all over Israel (Ratner, 2005). The school has a dormitory for male students, but for its female students it arranges reliable transportation allowing many of them come to Haifa from a variety of northern Arab cities and villages.

    We can thus conclude that those most likely to have benefitted from the openness of these high quality Christian schools have been Muslim Arab girls. While in the 19th century only upper middle- and high class Muslims would have considered sending their daughters to these schools, nowadays a unique cooperation between the Christian educational institutions and the parents of young Muslim girls allows for almost all talented girls living in the northern part of Israel to acquire excellent education. Many of the Christian schools offer grants to students from a low socio-economic background. In addition, transportation to school makes it possible for many girls, who cannot use public transportation because of traditional reasons, to arrive safely at school and benefit from the opportunity to concentrate on developing their intellectual abilities.

    https://www.scipress.com/ILSHS.32.175.pdf

    If from the Northern area of Israel, where the Bedouin lose the romantic traditional life, there are women with Phds. https://twitter.com/haneenshib

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    By the way, how do you explain with your “genetic engineering”, “Bedouins are stupid”. Arab Israelis have higher or lower test scores than Israeli Jews, depending on religion. Arabs with the same genetics, but different religious institutions, are going to opposite results.
     
    Dmitry, Dmitry…

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12160475/

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929708002061

    "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." - Matthew 7:7


    Aside from cultural-religious differences in outlook and behavior, its been observed by many that Christian Middle Easterners are a cut above their Muslim counterparts in the brains department.

    Several factors could explain these differences in achievement:

    (A) Cousin marriage – lower rates of cousin marriage among Christians than Muslims. Cousin marriage is a key depressor of Muslim IQ in the Middle East; to the effect of 5-10 points. OTOH, only one generation without cousin marriage can remove the delirious effects of inbreeding. As the ME undergoes a demographic transition, this should sort itself out within a generation (less cousins means less cousin marriage).

    (B) Jizya-based selection – Jizya head tax encouraged lower-status Christians to convert to Islam; leaving only a residue of elites which today comprise the majority of Arab Christians. Greg Clark demonstrated this process in effect with regards to the Copts of Egypt, in The Son Also Rises:

    Saleh shows that in Egypt, Coptic Christians, who formed the vast majority of Egyptian society on the eve of the Arab Muslim conquest, selectively converted to Islam in the centuries following the Arab conquest of 641 CE. He finds evidence that under the pressure of the jizya, the poorest Copts converted to Islam: the conversion rate was greater in areas where heavier taxes were imposed. Moreover, in areas where the conversion rate was highest, the remaining Coptic population was more elite by the nineteenth century.

    (C) Cultural values – more stress on worldly achievement among Christians. Islamic doctrine is famously fatalistic (leave it to Allah), doesn’t put much stress on worldly success, preferring success in the hereafter. To the extent that Muslims can accomplish things, it’s to the extent they’ve distanced themselves from the normative Islamic outlook.

    (D) Different genotypes – slightly different genotypes, mostly due to lower rates of sub-Saharan (SSA) admixture in Christians than in Muslims. The impact of this is more significant in Egypt than in the Levant. Egyptian Muslims are enriched for 10-20% (depending on region) SSA ancestry, whereas Levantine Muslims only ~5-7%. Christians also have less Arabian admixture (though exact percentages are difficult to ascertain). OTOH, Muslim Arabs (particularly in the upper class) also have more European (~8%) admixture from Slavs and Caucasian slaves; so the effect in sum of differing genotypes on IQ is probably minimal.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-169/#comment-5019452


     

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  170. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    Culturally you are not so far from Ivaskha. You are representative of a late 20th century capitalist bohemian culture of New York. Bashibuzuk is representative of late Soviet bohemian culture of Moscow.

    I would agree Bashibuzuk has more snobby ego boosting against provincial people and "racially impure", you don't have so much snobby views to them. Maybe individual differences, because I'm not sure Brooklyn Jewish culture are more inclusive than late Soviet Moscow slavophiles. But bohemians of late Cold War New York and Moscow, are both in the Rousseau cult. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-219/#comment-5992399

    You like trail running in the forest? What kind of nikes do you use?

    Replies: @AaronB

    Am I the only one who sees that this new incarnation of Ivashka is basically a hardcore anti-Semite, racialist, and proto-fascist? Very sinister stuff coming from him the past few months, even though he tries to mix it with nice fake Buddhist stuff and pretend he’s really a down to earth nice guy. Lately his comments read like they can come from any other part of the Unz review, which this part of the website always avoided for so long. He’d probably feel right at home on a Freud-Jung thread.

    I’m too much of a cultural mongrel, crossed too many cultural borders, to represent anything, really – I spent too many decades travelling all over Asia, too many years living in different countries, too much time alone out in nature, and read too many books from different cultures, and have had too many friends from different countries. I am a rootless cosmopolitan in the best sense and proud of it 🙂 A citizen of the world who can say after the Roman playwright Terence – “Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto”. This is the diametric opposite of what Bashi aspires to be with his national archetypes and what not.

    And I am nowhere near ambitious enough or obsessed with money and success enough to represent the capitalist Brooklyn Jewish culture 🙂 That culture is also highly narcissistic, toxic, and dysfunctional for me to want to be any part of.

    We are not just deterministic products of the institutions that we grow up around, and do have personal agency, Dmitry, you incorrigible determinist 🙂 Especially in this globalized age where we really can select from a wide range of cultural influences and expose ourselves to be shaped by really global influences.

    What Nikes indeed – very funny, very funny, Dmitry. You are behind the times – the new hot thing in bourgeois consumption is minimalist barefoot shoes for trail running, like Xeros 🙂

    Although I’ve been thinking of making my own Japanese straw sandals….

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    Your views are more New York, American transcendentalist interpretation kinds of Rousseau romantic ideas.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendentalism

    Bashibuzuk's posts are usually the late Soviet Moscow interpretation of similar romantic ideas with influence of Rousseau.

    There is similar derivation, which is - e.g. going trail running in North America forests.

    -

    Conspiracy theory about Jews was one of the most popular things in the 1980s/1990s culture in Moscow, partly it was engineered by the security services, but it's also related to re-viewing of the Soviet history, Bolshevik revolution, local inter-ethnic problems of this region etc.

    I agree, there is less balance of those views, without AltanBakshi. In the previous years, it was dialectic of AltanBakshi/Ano4. Some of the users, need both sides to balance each view, create the new comments.

    Btw, unfortunately AP perhaps could stop posting so much here, if Beckow and AnonfromTN will really exit because Ukraine goes to a counter-offensive.

    Replies: @AaronB, @AP

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB


    Am I the only one who sees that this new incarnation of Ivashka is basically a hardcore anti-Semite, racialist, and proto-fascist?
     
    Yes.
    , @Mikel
    @AaronB


    the new hot thing in bourgeois consumption is minimalist barefoot shoes for trail running, like Xeros
     
    Never heard of them. All trail running shoes must have a minimalist design though. My mid-low range $100 gore tex Under Armour shoes are also ultralight. When trail running all you want to have is some sole protection but you need full freedom of movements in your feet and ankles to avoid injuries. I use them all year round, both in the winter snow (with gaiters and thick socks) and in the scorching summer heat. I'll probably have to replace them soon so I'll check the Xeros models.

    Speaking of which, the other day I asked my wife, whose main hobby is shopping around, to buy me a new cap for running. After the ridiculous Dylan Mulvanney Nike ad, which was outright mockery of real women, I didn't feel like advertising that brand on my head when running so she bought me a new Adidas cap. Just a couple of weeks later I learned that Adidas had also released its own infamous "tuck-friendly" woman swimsuit for pervy exhibitionists. There's no escaping from the woke madness really. It should be tremendously easy for some GOP-affiliated group to maintain a list of woke promoting companies so that the half or two thirds of the population who don't align with those values can stop the madness with our pockets but they're just too distracted with their own anti-vax or 2nd ammendment obsessions to waste their time in the culture wars that they're losing so badly.

    Btw, nothing wrong with being gay, as far as I'm concerned, if that's the way you were born and you keep your sexuality in the private sphere, like the rest of us, but now that we all know thar Mr XYZ feels attracted to "tucked" crossdressers I wonder if he even realizes how much his confession must have put off some of his regular interlocutors.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Sher Singh

  171. A123 says: • Website
    @Dmitry
    @Yevardian


    scum of the earth Naftali Bennet

     

    Greasy comments about Israel are generally everything incorrect. I guess he knows more about Russia and Prigozhin than Israel, which is to say a person who enjoys writing opposites of the available information.

    He probably combines his imagination, with people he talks with in the YouTube comments. So, if I said something about Russia, he will be writing "Russians are anti-racist anti-war liberals because my Russian friend in the YouTube comments section is writing like that" etc.

    But there is something about Bennett, who was a liberal at least in terms of the social policies.

    Bennett was maybe the similar political views as Joe Biden. He marketed for many years as religious rightwing, probably because he was working inside the religious nationalist party, as part of the tribal politics.

    He was supposed to be first religious Prime Minister in Israel, breaking the glass ceiling, while all the previous Prime Minister were secular Ashkenazim.

    Then he created coalition with the Islamic party, prioritized the progressive agenda of LGBT, disabled peoples' rights, secular marriage, minorities, environmentalism. He cancelled the oil pipeline to UAE for environmental reasons. He increases funding for LGBT organizations, increases funding for Arab students etc.

    I.e. he followed a liberal policy.

    -

    By the way, he always wears the small hat and promotes as a religious nationalist, but his family shows different reality.

    Religious national Jews are supposed to marry virgin women from their own community, who wear head covers and, especially the women in their community are not allowed to wear trousers.

    But Bennett's wife is doesn't cover hair and Bennett doesn't stop her wearing trousers for interviews, where she is saying she is not secular, just "ex-secular".

    I watched an interview of her, with aggressive interviewer saying about stories she is a really secular liar, and she is saying "I'm not secular".

    In 3:01 in the video , the interviewer says she was the chef for a pork and shrimp restaurant in New York. She is not disageeing, just saying she made desserts and was going home on Friday. The interviewer is really not believing her.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnNKpnhZJyo

    For "right-wing religious politician" Naftali Bennett, who has a wife with trousers, who was chef in a pork and shrimp restaurant.

    It's like if Bill and Hillary Clinton were electing from a religious rightwing part of the Republican Party. Then after winning election, they go to the liberal policies they really like.

    Replies: @A123

    Bennett was maybe the similar political views as Joe Biden.

    He was supposed to be first religious Prime Minister in Israel, breaking the glass ceiling, while all the previous Prime Minister were secular Ashkenazim. Then he created coalition with the Islamic party, prioritized the progressive agenda of LGBT, disabled peoples’ rights, secular marriage, minorities, environmentalism.

    The coalition never made sense. It was every MK that opposed Netanyahu crammed together. There never was a coherent ‘policy’ concept. It only existed to string things along until a sham guilty verdict snared Bibi. However, the case is so riddled with flaws that even the corrupt judiciary could not find a conviction.

    I am not sure how much responsibility Bennett should personally bear. Anyone taking the top job with that coalition would be compromised and undermined before Day 1.
    ____

    Hopefully Netanyahu will push through the minimum necessary judicial reforms and begin whittling away at the imperial judiciary. Right now, the demonstrations are based in fear. Once in place and functioning, many will realize the panic is over hyped. The proposal is actually quite reasonable given how badly out of whack the temporary high court has become.

    Israel should finish their Constitution, but that is just too much to ask.

    PEACE 😇

  172. A123 says: • Website
    @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    I get called a Jew here all the time for supporting Ukraine and the vaccines. Those are normal positions outside of Unz. But the Jew haters view themselves as part of one giant battle against a Jewish conspiracy and Ukraine along with the vaccines are placed in the the other side.

    The amusing thing is that the Jew haters at Unz are lousy at identifying Jews. I could talk about cooking pulled pork or being raised in the church and the Jew haters will tell themselves that it's all some elaborate ruse. He must have read about youth group on the internet!!! Anecdotes from a Lutheran church must be part of his ploy!! Nice try Jew!!!

    To bring out actual Jews all you have to do is discuss the internal politics of Israel.

    It seems to be the issue they can never agree on.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

    The amusing thing is that the Jew haters at Unz are lousy at identifying Jews. I could talk about cooking pulled pork or being raised in the church and the Jew haters will tell themselves that it’s all some elaborate ruse

    I commiserate. Despite my obvious Christianity I am frequently called Jewish.

    PEACE 😇

     

  173. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Coconuts
    @AaronB


    The more I read about Carl Schmitt the more he seems like an awful person.
     
    The book where Schmitt sets out the friend/enemy distinction is the 'Concept of the Political', he is trying to define the political and what sets it apart from other spheres of activity, theology, academia, economics etc. This was originally in the context of legal philosophy.

    He says in that text that it is possible that liberals may one day succeed in eliminating the political from social life as they aim to, but it is uncertain.

    'The Concept of the Political' is imo a subversive book, memorably it identifies the ways in which liberal humanitarianism can translate into the application of an extreme version of the friend/enemy distinction, where the humanitarian side ends up seeking to completely crush and dehumanise those they identify as opponents. The attempt to eliminate the friend/enemy distinction ultimately making it more salient.

    He was also a dark character, links to the Nazi leadership make him controversial.

    Replies: @AaronB

    My own views probably overlap more with liberalism than the right, but I’m opposed to the liberal attempt to force their views down others throats and punish dissenters, up to a point.

    I think moral education and spiritual evolution is the correct approach. Jesus warned long ago not to fight evil – because you become evil. Schmitt is identifying a danger of moralism that spiritual writers have been writing about for a long time.

    (I’m not of course saying that all versions of the Right are evil)

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @AaronB


    I think moral education and spiritual evolution is the correct approach. Jesus warned long ago not to fight evil – because you become evil.
     
    There is a certain way of doing it, say if you think someone is being moralistic and then decide that you will try and have a discussion and perhaps talk them out of it. And if your intentions are basically benevolent or at least neutral.

    According to Schmitt it becomes political when you identify someone who holds views you disagree with as a member of an opposing group, someone who needs to be dominated or neutralised. I think you can see this oppositional character in evidently political discussions, not always but frequently it is present. One of the impacts of Woke has been to spread this oppositional stance to many areas of life in which it wasn't present, or that's how I've experienced it.

    Before, even in discussions between political figures the first discussion orientated attitude seemed common, which would be typical of a time when liberal and consensus seeking attitudes were being prioritised socially.

    I think it's true about Jesus, he is never portrayed as making political arguments in the Schmitt sense.

    Replies: @AaronB

  174. @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    By the way, how do you explain with the hypothesis "Egypt needs genetic engineering", "Bedouins are stupid" etc. Arab Israelis have higher or lower test scores than Israeli Jews, depending on religion.


    In spite of the fact that in a population of 8-million Christian Arabs have been a small minority, they have had a substantial impact on Israeli life, especially in participation in high level education and subsequently – in the professions.

    For many years Christian Arabs in Israel have enjoyed the highest levels of matriculation and educational achievement. They have ranked highest by all criteria including the best quality of the matriculation certificate, especially with respect to the number of units studied in high school and the number of scientific areas taken during high school at the highest possible level.

    As good quality of high school education is a main requirement for upper education, the result has been that the rate of high school graduates who have earned university degrees has also been very high (Ratner, 2005; Talal, & Ben Rabi, 2001; Weingard, 2001).
     

    When the Muslim girls, go to the Christian schools.

    The two Nazareth Nuns' Schools have a long tradition of academic excellence. They are both co educational: in 2006 girls comprised 52% of the graduating class. The school's achievements have been impressive by all criteria. In 2002, the general eligibility for the matriculation certificate for Israelis and Arabs in Israel was just 55.5% and 51.5% respectively (Statistics, Israel, 2004, table 8.21). In that year over 95% of The Nazareth Nuns' School graduates were entitled to the matriculation certificate, scoring second highest among all Israeli schools (Ilan, 2002).

    -
    These institutions are examples of those that have always been run by a Christian organization. They have served all the Arab population, enabling many youngsters, especially young women who have not been able to leave their homes, to get high quality education. Take, for example, the Orthodox School in Haifa: Over 50% of its students at have been Muslim. The remaining 50% are Christians, Druze and Bedouin from all over Israel (Ratner, 2005). The school has a dormitory for male students, but for its female students it arranges reliable transportation allowing many of them come to Haifa from a variety of northern Arab cities and villages.

    We can thus conclude that those most likely to have benefitted from the openness of these high quality Christian schools have been Muslim Arab girls. While in the 19th century only upper middle- and high class Muslims would have considered sending their daughters to these schools, nowadays a unique cooperation between the Christian educational institutions and the parents of young Muslim girls allows for almost all talented girls living in the northern part of Israel to acquire excellent education. Many of the Christian schools offer grants to students from a low socio-economic background. In addition, transportation to school makes it possible for many girls, who cannot use public transportation because of traditional reasons, to arrive safely at school and benefit from the opportunity to concentrate on developing their intellectual abilities.
     

    https://www.scipress.com/ILSHS.32.175.pdf

    If from the Northern area of Israel, where the Bedouin lose the romantic traditional life, there are women with Phds. https://twitter.com/haneenshib

    Replies: @Yahya

    By the way, how do you explain with your “genetic engineering”, “Bedouins are stupid”. Arab Israelis have higher or lower test scores than Israeli Jews, depending on religion. Arabs with the same genetics, but different religious institutions, are going to opposite results.

    Dmitry, Dmitry…

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12160475/

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929708002061

    “Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.” – Matthew 7:7

    Aside from cultural-religious differences in outlook and behavior, its been observed by many that Christian Middle Easterners are a cut above their Muslim counterparts in the brains department.

    Several factors could explain these differences in achievement:

    (A) Cousin marriage – lower rates of cousin marriage among Christians than Muslims. Cousin marriage is a key depressor of Muslim IQ in the Middle East; to the effect of 5-10 points. OTOH, only one generation without cousin marriage can remove the delirious effects of inbreeding. As the ME undergoes a demographic transition, this should sort itself out within a generation (less cousins means less cousin marriage).

    (B) Jizya-based selection – Jizya head tax encouraged lower-status Christians to convert to Islam; leaving only a residue of elites which today comprise the majority of Arab Christians. Greg Clark demonstrated this process in effect with regards to the Copts of Egypt, in The Son Also Rises:

    Saleh shows that in Egypt, Coptic Christians, who formed the vast majority of Egyptian society on the eve of the Arab Muslim conquest, selectively converted to Islam in the centuries following the Arab conquest of 641 CE. He finds evidence that under the pressure of the jizya, the poorest Copts converted to Islam: the conversion rate was greater in areas where heavier taxes were imposed. Moreover, in areas where the conversion rate was highest, the remaining Coptic population was more elite by the nineteenth century.

    (C) Cultural values – more stress on worldly achievement among Christians. Islamic doctrine is famously fatalistic (leave it to Allah), doesn’t put much stress on worldly success, preferring success in the hereafter. To the extent that Muslims can accomplish things, it’s to the extent they’ve distanced themselves from the normative Islamic outlook.

    (D) Different genotypes – slightly different genotypes, mostly due to lower rates of sub-Saharan (SSA) admixture in Christians than in Muslims. The impact of this is more significant in Egypt than in the Levant. Egyptian Muslims are enriched for 10-20% (depending on region) SSA ancestry, whereas Levantine Muslims only ~5-7%. Christians also have less Arabian admixture (though exact percentages are difficult to ascertain). OTOH, Muslim Arabs (particularly in the upper class) also have more European (~8%) admixture from Slavs and Caucasian slaves; so the effect in sum of differing genotypes on IQ is probably minimal.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-169/#comment-5019452

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  175. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Greasy William
    @AaronB

    1. You are stanning for literal Nazis
    2. How is Ivashka an "Ugly Russian"? He has shown some sympathy with Ukrainians
    3. Lebanese are descended from the Canaanites. Hell, they are even proud of it
    4. Iranians essentially invented antisemitism
    5. Iranians. There is no such thing as Persians
    6. As I'm sure you well know, our prophets tell us that the coalition that will attack us in our final war will include Iran

    stop simping for Nazis

    Replies: @AaronB

    I may have been born into the Jewish community, but I’m not a Jew anymore Greasy – except of course to anti-Semites.

    And I could care less that Lebanese are descended from Caananites lol. You’re sounding like Ivashka here. Are you aware that “our” Prophets, who I admire very much, said that ultimately all the nations of the world will be blessed through Jews and will rejoice in God together, without conflict or division?

    I don’t see much of they spirit in you.

    As for Nazis, I condemn them where I see them. Those Iranian and Lebanese factions that have similar attitudes, sure, but that’s not the whole societies.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AaronB


    I may have been born into the Jewish community, but I’m not a Jew anymore Greasy
     
    Lol, this isn't something you can resign from

    Are you aware that “our” Prophets, who I admire very much, said that ultimately all the nations of the world will be blessed through Jews and will rejoice in God together, without conflict or division?
     
    Yup. Ultimately. Every human being is made in the divine image but right now we are at war. Of course, it's better to never have ill will towards anyone but for most people that isn't realistic. Especially after something like what white liberals did during Covid. So you just manage it the best you can.

    Those Iranian and Lebanese factions that have similar attitudes, sure, but that’s not the whole societies.
     
    The Lebanese suck but you could make a case for them not being Nazis. The Iranians, otoh, they are Nazis and you just sound silly trying to deny it. The Swastika is an Iranian symbol.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AaronB

  176. @John Johnson
    @German_reader

    Monks have neither sex (apart maybe from illicit homo sex) nor children (unless they already had a family before taking vows), so this is a very imperfect analogy.

    I used to assume there were a lot of gays among monks and nuns until I met some of them.

    It attracts more of an asexual personality type.

    I actually knew a guy that went off to a Monastery. He really didn't fit in with society and didn't identify with men of any type. He tried working a couple types of jobs and it was a disaster. I assumed all 22 year olds wanted to chase women until I met this guy. He was happiest when reading or discussing the bible. I don't think he had sexual drive of any type. I met some nuns and got the same vibe. They don't want to be in society. People project a sexual drive onto them that doesn't exist in most cases. I don't doubt there are gays that use it as cover but they aren't the norm. Probably less of that now that homosexuality is celebrated.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AaronB, @Coconuts

    I once met a gay and very horny Spanish friar, some direct knowledge that an old Reformation stereotype is not completely wrong.

    Monks vary though, I didn’t meet any obviously gay ones. There were various monks who had already had girlfriends, careers etc. before coming to the monastery. I think you are called to this sort of life.

    I remember doing a vocations course with a young woman who was thinking about becoming a nun, she was nice looking and built like Christina Hendriks from Mad Men, that was distracting.

    Most nuns I saw weren’t like that.

  177. @Greasy William
    @Joe Paluka

    Judaism doesn't allow homosexual acts.

    Meatball Ron's future is in some think tank making an obscene amount of money for the way he took one for the team by launching this suicide run for the Presidency

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ, @Joe Paluka

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Joe Paluka

    you are not making a very good case for the state of Israel

  178. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    Disagree with you about a lot, but I will miss your comments.
    Take care of yourself, all the best.
     
    Thanks! I just have a lot of things to write that can actually make a difference, at least for the scientific field I am in.

    Commenting here is worthless and non-adaptive, like displacement behavior in animals when they are hopelessly confused and/or frightened out of their wits.

    If I manage to transfer some money to Russia despite current roadblocks, I would be able to do something real, like helping civilian victims of Ukie aggression.

    All the best to you!

    Replies: @QCIC, @orchardist

    I’ve appreciated your knowledge of things of import.

    Best

  179. @AaronB
    @Greasy William

    I may have been born into the Jewish community, but I'm not a Jew anymore Greasy - except of course to anti-Semites.

    And I could care less that Lebanese are descended from Caananites lol. You're sounding like Ivashka here. Are you aware that "our" Prophets, who I admire very much, said that ultimately all the nations of the world will be blessed through Jews and will rejoice in God together, without conflict or division?

    I don't see much of they spirit in you.

    As for Nazis, I condemn them where I see them. Those Iranian and Lebanese factions that have similar attitudes, sure, but that's not the whole societies.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I may have been born into the Jewish community, but I’m not a Jew anymore Greasy

    Lol, this isn’t something you can resign from

    Are you aware that “our” Prophets, who I admire very much, said that ultimately all the nations of the world will be blessed through Jews and will rejoice in God together, without conflict or division?

    Yup. Ultimately. Every human being is made in the divine image but right now we are at war. Of course, it’s better to never have ill will towards anyone but for most people that isn’t realistic. Especially after something like what white liberals did during Covid. So you just manage it the best you can.

    Those Iranian and Lebanese factions that have similar attitudes, sure, but that’s not the whole societies.

    The Lebanese suck but you could make a case for them not being Nazis. The Iranians, otoh, they are Nazis and you just sound silly trying to deny it. The Swastika is an Iranian symbol.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William


    Swastika is an Iranian symbol
     
    Greasy, how can you be so dumb ?

    Swastika is an ancient symbol of eternal change and evolution that has been found all around the world, it has been used extensively in south eastern Europe by the Tripolye-Cucuteni culture, but has gained its highest appraisal in the Aryan (Indo-Iranian) culture.

    These Aryans have nothing whatsoever to do with the Nazis. From their culture, which has been somewhat influenced by the Tripolye-Cucuteni during the formative phase, the Aryans have taken the Swastika with them as a symbol of good luck and right change.

    Although it was also found on Mohendjo Daro and Harappan seals, it is under the Vedic Aryans that Swastika became one of Indian most sacred symbols. From the Indian Vedic Aryan culture, the Swastika has entered into the Jaina and Buddhadharma. Do you think Jains and Buddhists are also Iranian?

    Jaina symbol:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Jain_Prateek_Chihna.svg/800px-Jain_Prateek_Chihna.svg.png

    Buddhist (Indo-Scythian) statue carrying a Swastika:

    https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5baeb1db2100002501c6ef69.jpeg?

    Contemporary Oriental Buddha's statue with a Swastika:

    https://cdn.jwa.org/sites/default/files/styles/scale_width_300px/public/mediaobjects/swastika_buddha_copy.jpgB3The Balto-Slav used Swastika since times immemorial:

    https://m.traditio.wiki/files/4/44/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0.jpg

    Until Hitler and his henchmen stole this symbol from all the people of good faith and made it into a symbol of hate. Then the Jewish-Bolshevik NKVD officers and their dumb Sovok followers started putting the Russian peasants in jail because they made Swastika embroideries.

    And, no Persians have never used Swastika as symbol of their Empire. Although they were also Aryan. The symbol of their Empire was the Faravahar:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Faravahar-Gold.svg/1280px-Faravahar-Gold.svg.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faravahar

    It represents Ahura Mazda:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahura_Mazda

    Man, you really need to read some books.

    🙂

    Replies: @AP

    , @AaronB
    @Greasy William


    Lol, this isn’t something you can resign from
     
    It is and I do :) I've made my decision and you can't stop me.

    Yup. Ultimately. Every human being is made in the divine image but right now we are at war.
     
    That's your choice. Dont hide behind Dmitry-style determinism. Own up to your free choices.
  180. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Am I the only one who sees that this new incarnation of Ivashka is basically a hardcore anti-Semite, racialist, and proto-fascist? Very sinister stuff coming from him the past few months, even though he tries to mix it with nice fake Buddhist stuff and pretend he's really a down to earth nice guy. Lately his comments read like they can come from any other part of the Unz review, which this part of the website always avoided for so long. He'd probably feel right at home on a Freud-Jung thread.

    I'm too much of a cultural mongrel, crossed too many cultural borders, to represent anything, really - I spent too many decades travelling all over Asia, too many years living in different countries, too much time alone out in nature, and read too many books from different cultures, and have had too many friends from different countries. I am a rootless cosmopolitan in the best sense and proud of it :) A citizen of the world who can say after the Roman playwright Terence - "Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto". This is the diametric opposite of what Bashi aspires to be with his national archetypes and what not.

    And I am nowhere near ambitious enough or obsessed with money and success enough to represent the capitalist Brooklyn Jewish culture :) That culture is also highly narcissistic, toxic, and dysfunctional for me to want to be any part of.

    We are not just deterministic products of the institutions that we grow up around, and do have personal agency, Dmitry, you incorrigible determinist :) Especially in this globalized age where we really can select from a wide range of cultural influences and expose ourselves to be shaped by really global influences.

    What Nikes indeed - very funny, very funny, Dmitry. You are behind the times - the new hot thing in bourgeois consumption is minimalist barefoot shoes for trail running, like Xeros :)

    Although I've been thinking of making my own Japanese straw sandals....

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    Your views are more New York, American transcendentalist interpretation kinds of Rousseau romantic ideas.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendentalism

    Bashibuzuk’s posts are usually the late Soviet Moscow interpretation of similar romantic ideas with influence of Rousseau.

    There is similar derivation, which is – e.g. going trail running in North America forests.

    Conspiracy theory about Jews was one of the most popular things in the 1980s/1990s culture in Moscow, partly it was engineered by the security services, but it’s also related to re-viewing of the Soviet history, Bolshevik revolution, local inter-ethnic problems of this region etc.

    I agree, there is less balance of those views, without AltanBakshi. In the previous years, it was dialectic of AltanBakshi/Ano4. Some of the users, need both sides to balance each view, create the new comments.

    Btw, unfortunately AP perhaps could stop posting so much here, if Beckow and AnonfromTN will really exit because Ukraine goes to a counter-offensive.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    None of what you're saying makes any sense to me - it's just deterministic cop outs.

    I grew up in a right wing nationalist family, and was right wing and nationalist most of my youth - and racist too. I developed out of that. Certainly, not entirely out of my own efforts, but also through the grace of God.

    Much of my initial inspiration came from travelling in Asia, and reading about Taoism and Buddhism, not American Transcendentalism, or American left wing culture, or Rousseau.

    Human beings do not come fully assembled off a factory conveyor belt.

    Everyone has the opportunity to do that. Bashibuzuk is not determined by where he grew up. He can choose not to be a racialist proto-fascist - since I've known him on this site, he's freely chosen to become a worse human being. One can choose to grow closer to God or more distant from him. The Buddhist stuff is incoherent and fake.

    AltanBakshi, judging by his recent reappearance, has also gotten worse. Most people on this site are not the best, but some are actively becoming worse. And it's a free choice, not determined.

    The AltanBakshi/Ano4 dialectic is no longer possible - they've both become different and worse people, as we saw when Altan briefly returned. Bashibuzuk is not a worse human being today because Altan is no longer here to "balance" his extremism, because people are not factory produced automatons, but make free moral choices.

    Your conveyor belt, factory assembly theory of human nature is just a cop out Dmitry.


    Btw, unfortunately AP perhaps could stop posting so much here, if Beckow and AnonfromTN will really exit because Ukraine goes to a counter-offensive.
     
    That may be true, but that's a different matter. AP will have lost his antagonists in argument, and may feel there is no one for him to fight.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    , @AP
    @Dmitry


    Btw, unfortunately AP perhaps could stop posting so much here, if Beckow and AnonfromTN will really exit because Ukraine goes to a counter-offensive.
     
    I think it's very convenient that AnoninTN leaves as Ukraine starts the counter-offensive.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

  181. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Am I the only one who sees that this new incarnation of Ivashka is basically a hardcore anti-Semite, racialist, and proto-fascist? Very sinister stuff coming from him the past few months, even though he tries to mix it with nice fake Buddhist stuff and pretend he's really a down to earth nice guy. Lately his comments read like they can come from any other part of the Unz review, which this part of the website always avoided for so long. He'd probably feel right at home on a Freud-Jung thread.

    I'm too much of a cultural mongrel, crossed too many cultural borders, to represent anything, really - I spent too many decades travelling all over Asia, too many years living in different countries, too much time alone out in nature, and read too many books from different cultures, and have had too many friends from different countries. I am a rootless cosmopolitan in the best sense and proud of it :) A citizen of the world who can say after the Roman playwright Terence - "Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto". This is the diametric opposite of what Bashi aspires to be with his national archetypes and what not.

    And I am nowhere near ambitious enough or obsessed with money and success enough to represent the capitalist Brooklyn Jewish culture :) That culture is also highly narcissistic, toxic, and dysfunctional for me to want to be any part of.

    We are not just deterministic products of the institutions that we grow up around, and do have personal agency, Dmitry, you incorrigible determinist :) Especially in this globalized age where we really can select from a wide range of cultural influences and expose ourselves to be shaped by really global influences.

    What Nikes indeed - very funny, very funny, Dmitry. You are behind the times - the new hot thing in bourgeois consumption is minimalist barefoot shoes for trail running, like Xeros :)

    Although I've been thinking of making my own Japanese straw sandals....

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    Am I the only one who sees that this new incarnation of Ivashka is basically a hardcore anti-Semite, racialist, and proto-fascist?

    Yes.

  182. @Greasy William
    @Ivashka the fool

    The Iranian people never helped out the Jews, Cyrus did. That's one guy, not an entire nation. On the contrary, the Iranian people wanted to kill the Jews but Cyrus stopped them. That's the whole point of the Purim story. Jews and Iranians have always been enemies and this has always been acknowledged until Israel was created and people suddenly decided that actually they really were always BFF's.

    For my own sake, I try not to hate anyone (except for white liberals, but that doesn't count as white liberals are subhumans who should all be dead), however, I really dislike Iranians and Lebanese. And in both cases it isn't just the antisemitism. Antisemitism by itself usually doesn't bother me. What bothers me about Iranians and Lebanese is the combination of antisemitism with unreal levels of arrogance and a totally unjustified sense of superiority.

    The Iranians and Lebanese are both extremely primitive and stupid peoples. Their countries are absolute garbage and always have been. When Solemaini was assassinated, the Iranian response was to shoot down one of their own airliners, killing 300 of their own people. Then they trampled 80 people to death at Solemaini's funeral. This is primitive behavior that you only see in third world countries and you saw it because the Iranians are a third world people.

    We know form Nazi communications that the Iranians were the non German nation that was most sympathetic to Nazism. The Iranians responded far more favorably to Nazism than even the Arabs did, which is saying a lot because the Arabs themselves were huge fans of Nazism.

    You can tell a lot about a people by who hates them and who admires them. I have never seen an antisemite who didn't absolutely love Iranians, to the point of regarding them as some sort of master race. And it's simply not true. Iranians are morons and just because they have managed to make better drones than Turkey and keep their fleet of F-17s flying through a mixture of cannibalization of existing stocks, smuggling and knock off parts from Russia and China (as Iranians themselves are too stupid to make replacement parts for a 1960s aircraft) doesn't change that. Also, they got absolutely waxed by Saddam in their war and the cowardly Iranians were expecting the international community to bail them out. Once they saw that wouldn't happen they folded like the impotent cowards they always have been.

    I don't even like Iranian Jews, if I'm being honest. They have debased Iranian blood.

    Despite all this, I still support Iran against the United States. I simply cannot make myself support the US. Death to America.

    ...

    Re MarbledSteaks comment about Amalek: Amalek is a spiritual lineage, not a physical one. Hasidic tradition held long before Hitler was even in politics that an Amalekite would eventually rule Germany. Any Kabbalist will tell you that those hung at Nuremberg were Haman's reincarnated sons (Goering was the reincarnation of Haman's daughter). This is hardly new stuff.

    Replies: @Yahya, @AaronB, @Ivashka the fool

    You have just confirmed that you truly are a ty American, your knowledge of history is abysmal and you are prone to infantile oversimplification.

    So before we continue this dialog, I am inclined to ask whether you are somewhat interested in historical truths or if the Judeo-Biblical BS is sufficient for your level of intelligence?

    I am asking because it would take me some time to explain everything you got wrong with this idiotic comment of yours.

    I have grown lazy lately and I am not inclined anymore in writing lengthy replies.

    I would spare myself the effort if you keep being as closed-minded as you were while writing all this garbage above.

    🙂

    And yeah, before you answer, do you know why the Babylonian Talmud is named the way it is, and who ruled the land where the two academies in which it was written down were located?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    By the way, if we want to ask about an interesting theme of the postwar Soviet history which seemed removed by the security services in recent postsoviet years, especially in the last 10 years in Russia they remove it from the media.


    https://i.imgur.com/ieKzkUy.png

    https://i.imgur.com/l1Fvcxk.png

    https://i.imgur.com/PkbSOvF.png

    https://i.imgur.com/7kw55m3.png

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Ivashka the fool

  183. @AaronB
    @Coconuts

    My own views probably overlap more with liberalism than the right, but I'm opposed to the liberal attempt to force their views down others throats and punish dissenters, up to a point.

    I think moral education and spiritual evolution is the correct approach. Jesus warned long ago not to fight evil - because you become evil. Schmitt is identifying a danger of moralism that spiritual writers have been writing about for a long time.

    (I'm not of course saying that all versions of the Right are evil)

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I think moral education and spiritual evolution is the correct approach. Jesus warned long ago not to fight evil – because you become evil.

    There is a certain way of doing it, say if you think someone is being moralistic and then decide that you will try and have a discussion and perhaps talk them out of it. And if your intentions are basically benevolent or at least neutral.

    According to Schmitt it becomes political when you identify someone who holds views you disagree with as a member of an opposing group, someone who needs to be dominated or neutralised. I think you can see this oppositional character in evidently political discussions, not always but frequently it is present. One of the impacts of Woke has been to spread this oppositional stance to many areas of life in which it wasn’t present, or that’s how I’ve experienced it.

    Before, even in discussions between political figures the first discussion orientated attitude seemed common, which would be typical of a time when liberal and consensus seeking attitudes were being prioritised socially.

    I think it’s true about Jesus, he is never portrayed as making political arguments in the Schmitt sense.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Coconuts


    According to Schmitt it becomes political when you identify someone who holds views you disagree with as a member of an opposing group, someone who needs to be dominated or neutralised
     
    This isn't unique to liberals - all factions try and do this, when they're in power, and dream about doing it when they're not. When the Right was dominant it did ths, and dreams about doing it now.

    The only true alternative to politics is religion - authentic religion. Even what we call the Left is ultimately a version of Right wing power seeking.

    I think it’s true about Jesus, he is never portrayed as making political arguments in the Schmitt sense
     
    Yep, it's true. And the Buddha, Lao Tzu, too. It's because the only way out of power politics is authentic religion.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  184. @Mr. XYZ
    From Anatoly Crimeus Karlin:

    @XiXiDu @Roko__eth A sovereign Russia with economies of scale was the right's one main hope for a non-GAE/CPC global alternative. I for one will enjoy seeing Western rightoids who were too dumb to realize that and supported Ukraine getting crushed under Woke boots when they get too uppity. Perhaps…
     
    By that logic, should Western rightoids have supported the Nazis, Italian Fascists, and Imperial Japanese during WWII? After all, had these countries won WWII, it's entirely possible that they would have been more attractive right-wing models (minus the genocide/ethnic cleansing) relative to the West (which in real life succumbed to liberalism, multiculturalism, political correctness, and eventually Wokeness) in the post-WWII decades.

    xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/4ewqsn/war_sentiment_by_states_from_a_gallup_poll_in/

    Apparently Southerners (the most based and rightoid part of the US) were the part of the US who were most eager for the US to enter WWII before Pearl Harbor.

    Anyway, back to my main point:

    A victorious Russia in Ukraine would not have prevented Western rightoids from being oppressed back in their home countries and it would not have been a very impressive civilizational model either due to the fact that it doesn't spend that much on R & D relative to the EU and doesn't have that much elite science production relative to the EU either. There's also the little problem that smart Russians are less favorably inclined towards Russian nationalism than smart Ukrainians are towards (moderate) Ukrainian nationalism. Ukraine is more ideal for right-wingers since nationalism there appeals even more to elites than it does to ordinary people, the inverse of the human capital problem that rightoids experience in most other countries worldwide.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool

    should Western rightoids have supported the Nazis, Italian Fascists, and Imperial Japanese during WWII?

    Yes.

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Ivashka the fool

    Thank you for being consistent here.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  185. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Coconuts
    @AaronB


    I think moral education and spiritual evolution is the correct approach. Jesus warned long ago not to fight evil – because you become evil.
     
    There is a certain way of doing it, say if you think someone is being moralistic and then decide that you will try and have a discussion and perhaps talk them out of it. And if your intentions are basically benevolent or at least neutral.

    According to Schmitt it becomes political when you identify someone who holds views you disagree with as a member of an opposing group, someone who needs to be dominated or neutralised. I think you can see this oppositional character in evidently political discussions, not always but frequently it is present. One of the impacts of Woke has been to spread this oppositional stance to many areas of life in which it wasn't present, or that's how I've experienced it.

    Before, even in discussions between political figures the first discussion orientated attitude seemed common, which would be typical of a time when liberal and consensus seeking attitudes were being prioritised socially.

    I think it's true about Jesus, he is never portrayed as making political arguments in the Schmitt sense.

    Replies: @AaronB

    According to Schmitt it becomes political when you identify someone who holds views you disagree with as a member of an opposing group, someone who needs to be dominated or neutralised

    This isn’t unique to liberals – all factions try and do this, when they’re in power, and dream about doing it when they’re not. When the Right was dominant it did ths, and dreams about doing it now.

    The only true alternative to politics is religion – authentic religion. Even what we call the Left is ultimately a version of Right wing power seeking.

    I think it’s true about Jesus, he is never portrayed as making political arguments in the Schmitt sense

    Yep, it’s true. And the Buddha, Lao Tzu, too. It’s because the only way out of power politics is authentic religion.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @AaronB


    This isn’t unique to liberals – all factions try and do this, when they’re in power, and dream about doing it when they’re not.
     
    As I said Schmitt is trying to define the political as such, so if his definition is correct both right and left will do this when they are engaging in politics. Whenever there is disagreement in a political community about how to allocate scarce resources and opposing groups form in support of different options, or there are disagreements about two or more conflicting lines of policy the friend/enemy distinction can arise. It obviously varies in intensity, with mild opposition as you used to see in political debates where I am in the 2000s, to war at the other extreme.

    I didn't mention liberals specifically, I was maybe talking about followers of liberal in the first paragraph, Woke tend to be suspicious of or reject liberal political norms. Politicising activities outside of a formal public sphere is more like the opposite of liberalism. Imo the right have been committed to liberalism for some time, they might try and politicise some things in the private sphere (e.g around sex, abortion) but in the UK haven't had much success since the 1980s. I suppose 1945 would be when the right's last attempt to politicise all of social life ended.

    I am actually surprised the woke managed to do it as I assumed liberal attitudes had become so strong that it wouldn't be possible (like the way the woke introduced political factions into hobby activities like knitting and collecting model soldiers after 2020).

    Religion might reduce division over distribution of resources by making people less materially focused and more empathetic, as well as providing strong norms that everyone in a community accepts. Otoh real world religions, other than some syncretic universal ones, can provoke friend/enemy divisions due to being vehicles for different visions of the Good or identifying conflicting sources of authority.

    I think Jesus considered as Christ, God, isn't political because he has infinite being, needs no resources, is perfect unity itself (so can't split into factions) and possesses perfect knowledge. There is no scope for the political, as Schmitt defines it, in him.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Mr. Hack

  186. @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William

    You have just confirmed that you truly are a ty American, your knowledge of history is abysmal and you are prone to infantile oversimplification.

    So before we continue this dialog, I am inclined to ask whether you are somewhat interested in historical truths or if the Judeo-Biblical BS is sufficient for your level of intelligence?

    I am asking because it would take me some time to explain everything you got wrong with this idiotic comment of yours.

    I have grown lazy lately and I am not inclined anymore in writing lengthy replies.

    I would spare myself the effort if you keep being as closed-minded as you were while writing all this garbage above.

    🙂

    And yeah, before you answer, do you know why the Babylonian Talmud is named the way it is, and who ruled the land where the two academies in which it was written down were located?

    Replies: @Dmitry

    By the way, if we want to ask about an interesting theme of the postwar Soviet history which seemed removed by the security services in recent postsoviet years, especially in the last 10 years in Russia they remove it from the media.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry

    Have you ever seen one?

    I loved the part where they write "Only a scientific analysis . . .".

    Why is this in English? Is the marxist . org page accurate?

    https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/culture/soviet-life/index.htm

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    The talk about the UFO in USSR had culminated during the Perestroika, although it was often discussed before in a non official manner. During the final couple of years of the Soviet Union, there were so many UFO sightings that it seemed like it happened every week or at least every month in different parts of the country. Around 1992, the Russian Orthodox Church went on record officially recommending its flock not to interact with UFOs which were described as demonic and dangerous. It was due to several people falling severely ill after interacting with UFOs and supposedly Aliens.

    I personally saw something remarkable when I was 14 - years old, in 1987. We were driving in a car with my mom and my younger brother. It was in the morning, probably around 7h00 am, I saw a bright light moving towards the horizon on the left side of the car. Suddenly, the light changed direction at an improbable angle and went at a tremendous speed flying over our car. My mom and brother saw it too. People around us were braking their cars and some tried parking. When it was passing, I had the time to see that inside the burning bright light, there was a visible shape that I recall being somewhat pyramidal or triangular. But I didn't have the time to look at it in more detail, it took only around 30 seconds ro reach us from the horizon and it was gone. Nothing was published in the newspapers about it in the next days despite at least a half dozen cars being around us when that happened.

    Basically, I think that UFOs are real, but I have no idea what they are and what they are maid of. Plasma perhaps?

    BTW, last year in the autumn the Ukrainian astronomers have written about the detection of numerous plasmoid UFOs in the Kiev's sky.

    https://www.livescience.com/ukraine-ufo-uap-report

    https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/ukrainian-astronomers-claim-ufos-everywhere-over-kyiv/

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2208.11215

    Replies: @S

  187. @Greasy William
    @AaronB


    I may have been born into the Jewish community, but I’m not a Jew anymore Greasy
     
    Lol, this isn't something you can resign from

    Are you aware that “our” Prophets, who I admire very much, said that ultimately all the nations of the world will be blessed through Jews and will rejoice in God together, without conflict or division?
     
    Yup. Ultimately. Every human being is made in the divine image but right now we are at war. Of course, it's better to never have ill will towards anyone but for most people that isn't realistic. Especially after something like what white liberals did during Covid. So you just manage it the best you can.

    Those Iranian and Lebanese factions that have similar attitudes, sure, but that’s not the whole societies.
     
    The Lebanese suck but you could make a case for them not being Nazis. The Iranians, otoh, they are Nazis and you just sound silly trying to deny it. The Swastika is an Iranian symbol.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AaronB

    Swastika is an Iranian symbol

    Greasy, how can you be so dumb ?

    Swastika is an ancient symbol of eternal change and evolution that has been found all around the world, it has been used extensively in south eastern Europe by the Tripolye-Cucuteni culture, but has gained its highest appraisal in the Aryan (Indo-Iranian) culture.

    These Aryans have nothing whatsoever to do with the Nazis. From their culture, which has been somewhat influenced by the Tripolye-Cucuteni during the formative phase, the Aryans have taken the Swastika with them as a symbol of good luck and right change.

    Although it was also found on Mohendjo Daro and Harappan seals, it is under the Vedic Aryans that Swastika became one of Indian most sacred symbols. From the Indian Vedic Aryan culture, the Swastika has entered into the Jaina and Buddhadharma. Do you think Jains and Buddhists are also Iranian?

    Jaina symbol:

    Buddhist (Indo-Scythian) statue carrying a Swastika:

    https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5baeb1db2100002501c6ef69.jpeg?

    Contemporary Oriental Buddha’s statue with a Swastika:

    https://cdn.jwa.org/sites/default/files/styles/scale_width_300px/public/mediaobjects/swastika_buddha_copy.jpgB3The Balto-Slav used Swastika since times immemorial:

    Until Hitler and his henchmen stole this symbol from all the people of good faith and made it into a symbol of hate. Then the Jewish-Bolshevik NKVD officers and their dumb Sovok followers started putting the Russian peasants in jail because they made Swastika embroideries.

    And, no Persians have never used Swastika as symbol of their Empire. Although they were also Aryan. The symbol of their Empire was the Faravahar:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faravahar

    It represents Ahura Mazda:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahura_Mazda

    Man, you really need to read some books.

    🙂

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    There are some in the Saint Sophia in Kiev:

    https://www.paylessflights.com/images/galleries/225243ccbe7165ac4269518efbf23601.jpeg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  188. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    Your views are more New York, American transcendentalist interpretation kinds of Rousseau romantic ideas.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendentalism

    Bashibuzuk's posts are usually the late Soviet Moscow interpretation of similar romantic ideas with influence of Rousseau.

    There is similar derivation, which is - e.g. going trail running in North America forests.

    -

    Conspiracy theory about Jews was one of the most popular things in the 1980s/1990s culture in Moscow, partly it was engineered by the security services, but it's also related to re-viewing of the Soviet history, Bolshevik revolution, local inter-ethnic problems of this region etc.

    I agree, there is less balance of those views, without AltanBakshi. In the previous years, it was dialectic of AltanBakshi/Ano4. Some of the users, need both sides to balance each view, create the new comments.

    Btw, unfortunately AP perhaps could stop posting so much here, if Beckow and AnonfromTN will really exit because Ukraine goes to a counter-offensive.

    Replies: @AaronB, @AP

    None of what you’re saying makes any sense to me – it’s just deterministic cop outs.

    I grew up in a right wing nationalist family, and was right wing and nationalist most of my youth – and racist too. I developed out of that. Certainly, not entirely out of my own efforts, but also through the grace of God.

    Much of my initial inspiration came from travelling in Asia, and reading about Taoism and Buddhism, not American Transcendentalism, or American left wing culture, or Rousseau.

    Human beings do not come fully assembled off a factory conveyor belt.

    Everyone has the opportunity to do that. Bashibuzuk is not determined by where he grew up. He can choose not to be a racialist proto-fascist – since I’ve known him on this site, he’s freely chosen to become a worse human being. One can choose to grow closer to God or more distant from him. The Buddhist stuff is incoherent and fake.

    AltanBakshi, judging by his recent reappearance, has also gotten worse. Most people on this site are not the best, but some are actively becoming worse. And it’s a free choice, not determined.

    The AltanBakshi/Ano4 dialectic is no longer possible – they’ve both become different and worse people, as we saw when Altan briefly returned. Bashibuzuk is not a worse human being today because Altan is no longer here to “balance” his extremism, because people are not factory produced automatons, but make free moral choices.

    Your conveyor belt, factory assembly theory of human nature is just a cop out Dmitry.

    Btw, unfortunately AP perhaps could stop posting so much here, if Beckow and AnonfromTN will really exit because Ukraine goes to a counter-offensive.

    That may be true, but that’s a different matter. AP will have lost his antagonists in argument, and may feel there is no one for him to fight.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @AaronB

    1) What you wrote about both me and Altan is entirely wrong
    2) You wouldn't recognize true Buddhadharma even it hit you between the eyes.
    3) Go hiking and send us nice pictures.

    🙂

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    When older users in this kind of political discussion are in bad mood or high stress, they often go to more extreme or simplistic views, which are comfortable for them. Sometimes these views are from the conditioning in youth.

    A few months ago, AP was in bad mood, he was writing scary comments about poor people. He seemed to have recovered, though. But for a time he was entering Social Darwinism when he was in a bad mood.

    Bashibuzuk is promoting racial conspiracy theory of Galkovsky (rightwing blogger of Moscow), to innocence himself for the invasion of Ukraine, so he can say he is ideologically innocent in this war. It's a kind of avoiding responsibility for the war, blame others. Although Putin is justifying war in the "triune nation", slavophile ideology and even some of the worst systemic liberals were exiting the government after invasion.

    Some part of Galkovsky's views are correct, for example the nationalities of the wealthy people, but it's also something everyone knows.

    Using Galkovsky to explain the Ukraine invasion, doesn't match what I saw, because I know rich people, from the class Galkovsky is snobby about. Rich people were most shocked by this invasion, who are organizing to help Ukrainians.* One of aspects of the golden youth created by the postsoviet mafia capitalism/mestizo project, were lot more empathy to Ukrainians and support for peace across the postsoviet countries.

    Maybe Bashibuzuk doesn't know, the rich postsoviet people are going to school across the borders and they have friends on both sides. And their views of geopolitics, are usually like hippies.


    Your conveyor belt, factory assembly theory of human nature is just a cop out Dmitry.

     

    The views of the circles and culture of peoples' youth, in some way are like the stamp of the vintage on the bottle of wine.

    In 1980s/1990s, Moscow elite was breaking and enters internal conflicts. Conspiracy theories about Jews was mainstreaming part of bohemian discussion of 1980s/1990s Moscow. It's partly engineered by the security services. Although there is also regional variation, where Moscow always has this interethnic problems, while many regions are a lot more utopian in this area.

    I'm not historical expert, to say more about the discussions of the 1980s. It's possible also internal conflict, including Jewish elites.

    One possible cynical reason for engineering a lot of Jewish conspiracy views in the society, is you want to create hostile atmosphere for Jewish population. A benefit of this, is for Israel by increasing immigration.

    In the 1980s/1990s, Israel was worried about its demographic situation and in the Israeli culture it became normal to talk about an Arab demographic time bomb" It's perhaps not 100% impossible, KGB and Israel could have relationship in this topic.

    We know Israel has even made the United States close the Soviet Jewish immigration, because they want to trap the population in Israel.

    When Putin is president, the antisemitic theories is rapidly removed from the society. It's because the ideologies in Russia are artificially engineered by the elite. The government can switch views on or off, very rapidly in this society.

    -

    * I expect, Bashibuzuk will say to me, liberals are responsible for the war, even though liberals are the people who oppose the war and also, were warning us about this war years ago. People like me were thinking "the liberals are panicking in stupid way about this topic".

    When we discuss Noize MC (liberal rapper of Russia) in this forum. Noize MC warns us this war and the deaths, was going to be years ago.

    Actually we see now, Noize MC was more accurate and knowledgeable, than anyone in this forum, including of course myself.

    Replies: @AaronB

  189. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    By the way, if we want to ask about an interesting theme of the postwar Soviet history which seemed removed by the security services in recent postsoviet years, especially in the last 10 years in Russia they remove it from the media.


    https://i.imgur.com/ieKzkUy.png

    https://i.imgur.com/l1Fvcxk.png

    https://i.imgur.com/PkbSOvF.png

    https://i.imgur.com/7kw55m3.png

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Ivashka the fool

    Have you ever seen one?

    I loved the part where they write “Only a scientific analysis . . .”.

    Why is this in English? Is the marxist . org page accurate?

    https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/culture/soviet-life/index.htm

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    No, I'm asking Bashibuzuk, as he had seen them in the desert, if I remember.

    Also he could remember the time when there was discussion about this in the society. In the recent decade in Russia, they removed the discussion and flooded the media with articles to laugh about this topic.

    "Soviet Life" was kind of propaganda magazine that was to promote the Soviet Union in the West.

    However, as you can see, it has many good articles. This is an article by Felix Zigal and it's written in a responsible way, without adding ideology or too many speculations.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  190. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Greasy William
    @AaronB


    I may have been born into the Jewish community, but I’m not a Jew anymore Greasy
     
    Lol, this isn't something you can resign from

    Are you aware that “our” Prophets, who I admire very much, said that ultimately all the nations of the world will be blessed through Jews and will rejoice in God together, without conflict or division?
     
    Yup. Ultimately. Every human being is made in the divine image but right now we are at war. Of course, it's better to never have ill will towards anyone but for most people that isn't realistic. Especially after something like what white liberals did during Covid. So you just manage it the best you can.

    Those Iranian and Lebanese factions that have similar attitudes, sure, but that’s not the whole societies.
     
    The Lebanese suck but you could make a case for them not being Nazis. The Iranians, otoh, they are Nazis and you just sound silly trying to deny it. The Swastika is an Iranian symbol.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AaronB

    Lol, this isn’t something you can resign from

    It is and I do 🙂 I’ve made my decision and you can’t stop me.

    Yup. Ultimately. Every human being is made in the divine image but right now we are at war.

    That’s your choice. Dont hide behind Dmitry-style determinism. Own up to your free choices.

  191. @Greasy William
    @John Johnson

    Dmitry isn't a Jew, he just has a bizarre love affair with secular Israelis. And, I'm not gonna lie, I kinda have suspicions myself that you may be Jewish. Because for an anti liberal American to be so hostile to Russia/Putin is strange.

    I don't see what the vaccines have to do with Jews one way or the other.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @silviosilver

    Dmitry isn’t a Jew, he just has a bizarre love affair with secular Israelis. And, I’m not gonna lie, I kinda have suspicions myself that you may be Jewish. Because for an anti liberal American to be so hostile to Russia/Putin is strange.

    What exactly is strange about being anti-liberal and also opposing Putin?

    Let’s review Putin’s positions:
    Business rights – None, government can take your business at any time. Putin can have an executive executed and no investigation will occur. This has happened dozens of times. An oligarch steps out of line and falls down some stairs.
    Individual rights – None, can be sentenced to a labor colony for merely criticizing the government.
    Right to free association – Does not exist. Charges can be created for associating with political undesirables.
    Legal rights – None, Putin’s government can override any specified legal right. Putin is not beholden to the legal system and can create laws and start wars without permission from the Duma.
    Gun rights – None, limited gun availability for hunting and the privilege can be arbitrarily revoked at any time.
    Political opposition to Putin – De facto banned through FSB executions of political leaders.
    Private media – De facto banned.
    Internet censorship – Fully supported

    What is strange is that so many on “alt-right” have rallied around a dictator dwarf and his totalitarian government just because he opposes ruling Western powers. It shows that many here have zero principles and only pretend to value free speech or other individual rights. Not a single dwarf defender has explained how having Slavs kill each other in trenches will undermine the Western status quo. This war has in fact reinvigorated NATO and US defense spending. French opposition to Ukraine joining NATO is over and previously neutral Finland has joined. Way to go dwarf.

    • Agree: sudden death
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @John Johnson


    What is strange is that so many on “alt-right” have rallied around a dictator dwarf and his totalitarian government just because he opposes ruling Western powers.
     
    I can support Putin against the United States without pretending that Putin isn't total trash on every other metric.

    I support Putin against the US/EU, but that is literally the only thing I support him on. I oppose him on Ukraine to the point that I have broken with Trump/Carlson/Gaetz and am strong on the side of the neocons who advocate for the US providing Ukraine with 100% military and financial support (although even now I prefer that Russia retain all its pre invasion territories).

    But I don't hate Putin, and how could I? Yes, he is bad but he is fighting the United States. I wish he was doing it in a less evil way but undermining the US empire is, strictly in and of itself, a good thing.

    Replies: @QCIC

  192. @AnonfromTN
    Ukrainian “counter-offensive” started yesterday (although officially Ukie puppets say that it did not start, apparently will announce when and if they achieve anything with PR value). So far mostly failures, with bad PR for Western weapons (including particularly devastating PR for French tanks AMX-10R).

    As empty hot air here affects exactly nothing, I discontinue my participation in worthless discussions. Bye-bye.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Gerard1234, @sudden death, @Barbarossa

    All the best to you, AnonfromTN. Best of luck in your other endeavors!

    [MORE]

    I look at the thread here as entertainment, and as with any entertainment moderation is key. I will say that I’ve learned a reasonable amount and been grateful for some great book and movie suggestions. I get your point entirely though and the same impulse keeps my footprint light.

    You have always been a level headed contributor around here though and will be missed!

  193. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Old Brown Fool

    Greasy is an American Jew. He dislikes Iran because they are threatening Israel and because Persians are not easily dismissed as Arabs are. Modern day Iranian people are a mix of different populations, the Aryan component is rather limited. Turkic, Semitic and Elamite components are probably dominant compared to the Aryan. Aryianem Vaejah is somewhere else entirely, where exactly is hard to tell but most probably somewhere in the former USSR.

    Replies: @Old Brown Fool, @AP

    Modern day Iranian people are a mix of different populations, the Aryan component is rather limited. Turkic, Semitic and Elamite components are probably dominant compared to the Aryan

    Perhaps, but Iran’s former vice-minister of culture, Mohammad-Ali Ramin, has what is probably a very Scythian face:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Yes. I met a couple of Iranians and Kurds that had a quite fair complexion. But they are a minority of the population because this phenotype is recessive. And you are right the Parasika were initially just one among the Scythian tribes.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Interestingly enough, he looks rather similar to a Russian and/or a Greek, no?

    He could easily pass as a Russian and/or Greek peasant from 100+ years ago in the right outfit, I suspect.

    Some other Iranians could easily pass for Mediterranean:

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Feconomy%2F2021%2F5%2F14%2Fthese-iranian-woman-are-crushing-it-in-crypto&psig=AOvVaw2-yiBnAIvqyUvoeFej62uB&ust=1686100865852000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBIQjhxqFwoTCIDH__m8rf8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE

    https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Alizadeh2.jpg?resize=719%2C513&quality=80

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fnews%2F2019-09-15%2Ftroubled-times-for-women-in-iran%2F11499558&psig=AOvVaw2-yiBnAIvqyUvoeFej62uB&ust=1686100865852000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CBIQjhxqFwoTCIDH__m8rf8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ

    https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/a236c161b5cf427a9a30639d05071cca?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=1993&cropW=2987&xPos=6&yPos=0&width=862&height=575

  194. @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    Your views are more New York, American transcendentalist interpretation kinds of Rousseau romantic ideas.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendentalism

    Bashibuzuk's posts are usually the late Soviet Moscow interpretation of similar romantic ideas with influence of Rousseau.

    There is similar derivation, which is - e.g. going trail running in North America forests.

    -

    Conspiracy theory about Jews was one of the most popular things in the 1980s/1990s culture in Moscow, partly it was engineered by the security services, but it's also related to re-viewing of the Soviet history, Bolshevik revolution, local inter-ethnic problems of this region etc.

    I agree, there is less balance of those views, without AltanBakshi. In the previous years, it was dialectic of AltanBakshi/Ano4. Some of the users, need both sides to balance each view, create the new comments.

    Btw, unfortunately AP perhaps could stop posting so much here, if Beckow and AnonfromTN will really exit because Ukraine goes to a counter-offensive.

    Replies: @AaronB, @AP

    Btw, unfortunately AP perhaps could stop posting so much here, if Beckow and AnonfromTN will really exit because Ukraine goes to a counter-offensive.

    I think it’s very convenient that AnoninTN leaves as Ukraine starts the counter-offensive.

    • LOL: John Johnson, Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    As Russia exits the Donbass, the Donbass exits from the Unz Review lol! :D ;)

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Dmitry
    @AP

    Yes, there is a connection. But maybe it is because he is more intelligent than us and is going to live in the nuclear bunker in the garden where concrete prevents Wi-Fi.

    If you believe front page of Reddit, there was the most crazy UFO report also today, published after the beginning of the Ukrainian counter-offensive. Publishing about the UFO report today kind of reminds of https://politicaldictionary.com/words/friday-news-dump/

  195. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    None of what you're saying makes any sense to me - it's just deterministic cop outs.

    I grew up in a right wing nationalist family, and was right wing and nationalist most of my youth - and racist too. I developed out of that. Certainly, not entirely out of my own efforts, but also through the grace of God.

    Much of my initial inspiration came from travelling in Asia, and reading about Taoism and Buddhism, not American Transcendentalism, or American left wing culture, or Rousseau.

    Human beings do not come fully assembled off a factory conveyor belt.

    Everyone has the opportunity to do that. Bashibuzuk is not determined by where he grew up. He can choose not to be a racialist proto-fascist - since I've known him on this site, he's freely chosen to become a worse human being. One can choose to grow closer to God or more distant from him. The Buddhist stuff is incoherent and fake.

    AltanBakshi, judging by his recent reappearance, has also gotten worse. Most people on this site are not the best, but some are actively becoming worse. And it's a free choice, not determined.

    The AltanBakshi/Ano4 dialectic is no longer possible - they've both become different and worse people, as we saw when Altan briefly returned. Bashibuzuk is not a worse human being today because Altan is no longer here to "balance" his extremism, because people are not factory produced automatons, but make free moral choices.

    Your conveyor belt, factory assembly theory of human nature is just a cop out Dmitry.


    Btw, unfortunately AP perhaps could stop posting so much here, if Beckow and AnonfromTN will really exit because Ukraine goes to a counter-offensive.
     
    That may be true, but that's a different matter. AP will have lost his antagonists in argument, and may feel there is no one for him to fight.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    1) What you wrote about both me and Altan is entirely wrong
    2) You wouldn’t recognize true Buddhadharma even it hit you between the eyes.
    3) Go hiking and send us nice pictures.

    🙂

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Ivashka the fool

    1) You don't like your reflection in a mirror - perhaps you haven't seen it in too long
    2) You're hiding behind big words. The compassion of the Buddha is simple and incompatible with racism and fascism
    3) This I will do, out of Buddhist compassion of the real kind - may something of the vastness of the wilderness touch your soul and help heal it, may the cold sharp pine-scented winds of the mountains leap through the computer screen and cleanse your soul.

    🌬️

  196. @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William


    Swastika is an Iranian symbol
     
    Greasy, how can you be so dumb ?

    Swastika is an ancient symbol of eternal change and evolution that has been found all around the world, it has been used extensively in south eastern Europe by the Tripolye-Cucuteni culture, but has gained its highest appraisal in the Aryan (Indo-Iranian) culture.

    These Aryans have nothing whatsoever to do with the Nazis. From their culture, which has been somewhat influenced by the Tripolye-Cucuteni during the formative phase, the Aryans have taken the Swastika with them as a symbol of good luck and right change.

    Although it was also found on Mohendjo Daro and Harappan seals, it is under the Vedic Aryans that Swastika became one of Indian most sacred symbols. From the Indian Vedic Aryan culture, the Swastika has entered into the Jaina and Buddhadharma. Do you think Jains and Buddhists are also Iranian?

    Jaina symbol:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Jain_Prateek_Chihna.svg/800px-Jain_Prateek_Chihna.svg.png

    Buddhist (Indo-Scythian) statue carrying a Swastika:

    https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5baeb1db2100002501c6ef69.jpeg?

    Contemporary Oriental Buddha's statue with a Swastika:

    https://cdn.jwa.org/sites/default/files/styles/scale_width_300px/public/mediaobjects/swastika_buddha_copy.jpgB3The Balto-Slav used Swastika since times immemorial:

    https://m.traditio.wiki/files/4/44/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0.jpg

    Until Hitler and his henchmen stole this symbol from all the people of good faith and made it into a symbol of hate. Then the Jewish-Bolshevik NKVD officers and their dumb Sovok followers started putting the Russian peasants in jail because they made Swastika embroideries.

    And, no Persians have never used Swastika as symbol of their Empire. Although they were also Aryan. The symbol of their Empire was the Faravahar:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Faravahar-Gold.svg/1280px-Faravahar-Gold.svg.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faravahar

    It represents Ahura Mazda:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahura_Mazda

    Man, you really need to read some books.

    🙂

    Replies: @AP

    There are some in the Saint Sophia in Kiev:

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    I am aware of that.

  197. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Modern day Iranian people are a mix of different populations, the Aryan component is rather limited. Turkic, Semitic and Elamite components are probably dominant compared to the Aryan
     
    Perhaps, but Iran's former vice-minister of culture, Mohammad-Ali Ramin, has what is probably a very Scythian face:

    https://i0.wp.com/www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/Others/Ramin.jpg

    https://www.memri.org/sites/default/files/pic_clip/ramin.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ

    Yes. I met a couple of Iranians and Kurds that had a quite fair complexion. But they are a minority of the population because this phenotype is recessive. And you are right the Parasika were initially just one among the Scythian tribes.

  198. @Joe Paluka
    @Greasy William

    Maybe so, but Tel Aviv is considered to be one of the most gay friendly cities in the world.

    https://theculturetrip.com/middle-east/israel/articles/why-tel-aviv-is-one-of-the-most-lgbt-friendly-cities-in-the-world/

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/israel-is-the-gayest-country-on-earth/

    Replies: @Greasy William

    you are not making a very good case for the state of Israel

  199. @AaronB
    @Mikel

    Thanks for all that info Mikel - that's definitely helpful, and I might end up going to Montana this early in the summer, where I've never explored extensively. I won't really be able to access the high country but maybe there are lower elevation hikes worth doing and just generally basking in the scenery.

    I'm still very undecided. But I'm not too worried because my work pattern for the next few months will be one month away, and a few weeks back, repeat - so lots of trips this summer and fall and I won't miss out!

    Last September I actually ran into a flash flood hiking the Canyonlands Syncline Loop - I was the only idiot on the trail for hours, until I noticed that the sky was ominously black, and suddenly remembered the danger of flash floods in canyon country lol.

    I reached the climb up out of the canyon section by the skin of my teeth, when just then the heavens opened and it poured. Moments later a deep rumbling sound and water and debris gushing through where I had been standing a short while before.

    It was only 2-3 feet high so I don't think it wouldn't have swept me away or killed me, but it would have made my day much more difficult, and was a sobering reminder of the power of nature.

    It was beautiful though - sudden waterfalls came crashing off the high cliffs in four different areas, it was incredible.

    I have heard this winter was unusually wet out West.

    Thanks for they website on the high route - I'll definitely look into that!

    My understanding is that the mosquitos are mostly gone by September, which is when I plan on going, but I'm not sure. Its an issue not to be taken lightly though, I agree.

    But with permethtin on clothes and deer, and maybe a head net, it might be ok.

    In the Wind River Range the muzzies are largely gone by August. My first August there there were none, last summer there was very light muzzie pressure but no big deal. So there is variance.

    This year the black flies have been killing me in upstate NY for some reason - truly a scourge!

    But I suppose this is what we must out up with for beauty.

    Replies: @Mikel

    I might end up going to Montana this early in the summer

    A good choice any time of the year. But be warned that, slot canyon danger aside, the combination of big amounts of snow left in the mountains and frequent storm clouds is giving Utah a very dramatic touch this year. It’s beautiful anywhere you go.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Mikel

    You're whetting my appetite :)

    Looking forward.

  200. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @AaronB

    1) What you wrote about both me and Altan is entirely wrong
    2) You wouldn't recognize true Buddhadharma even it hit you between the eyes.
    3) Go hiking and send us nice pictures.

    🙂

    Replies: @AaronB

    1) You don’t like your reflection in a mirror – perhaps you haven’t seen it in too long
    2) You’re hiding behind big words. The compassion of the Buddha is simple and incompatible with racism and fascism
    3) This I will do, out of Buddhist compassion of the real kind – may something of the vastness of the wilderness touch your soul and help heal it, may the cold sharp pine-scented winds of the mountains leap through the computer screen and cleanse your soul.

    🌬️

  201. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    None of what you're saying makes any sense to me - it's just deterministic cop outs.

    I grew up in a right wing nationalist family, and was right wing and nationalist most of my youth - and racist too. I developed out of that. Certainly, not entirely out of my own efforts, but also through the grace of God.

    Much of my initial inspiration came from travelling in Asia, and reading about Taoism and Buddhism, not American Transcendentalism, or American left wing culture, or Rousseau.

    Human beings do not come fully assembled off a factory conveyor belt.

    Everyone has the opportunity to do that. Bashibuzuk is not determined by where he grew up. He can choose not to be a racialist proto-fascist - since I've known him on this site, he's freely chosen to become a worse human being. One can choose to grow closer to God or more distant from him. The Buddhist stuff is incoherent and fake.

    AltanBakshi, judging by his recent reappearance, has also gotten worse. Most people on this site are not the best, but some are actively becoming worse. And it's a free choice, not determined.

    The AltanBakshi/Ano4 dialectic is no longer possible - they've both become different and worse people, as we saw when Altan briefly returned. Bashibuzuk is not a worse human being today because Altan is no longer here to "balance" his extremism, because people are not factory produced automatons, but make free moral choices.

    Your conveyor belt, factory assembly theory of human nature is just a cop out Dmitry.


    Btw, unfortunately AP perhaps could stop posting so much here, if Beckow and AnonfromTN will really exit because Ukraine goes to a counter-offensive.
     
    That may be true, but that's a different matter. AP will have lost his antagonists in argument, and may feel there is no one for him to fight.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    When older users in this kind of political discussion are in bad mood or high stress, they often go to more extreme or simplistic views, which are comfortable for them. Sometimes these views are from the conditioning in youth.

    A few months ago, AP was in bad mood, he was writing scary comments about poor people. He seemed to have recovered, though. But for a time he was entering Social Darwinism when he was in a bad mood.

    Bashibuzuk is promoting racial conspiracy theory of Galkovsky (rightwing blogger of Moscow), to innocence himself for the invasion of Ukraine, so he can say he is ideologically innocent in this war. It’s a kind of avoiding responsibility for the war, blame others. Although Putin is justifying war in the “triune nation”, slavophile ideology and even some of the worst systemic liberals were exiting the government after invasion.

    Some part of Galkovsky’s views are correct, for example the nationalities of the wealthy people, but it’s also something everyone knows.

    Using Galkovsky to explain the Ukraine invasion, doesn’t match what I saw, because I know rich people, from the class Galkovsky is snobby about. Rich people were most shocked by this invasion, who are organizing to help Ukrainians.* One of aspects of the golden youth created by the postsoviet mafia capitalism/mestizo project, were lot more empathy to Ukrainians and support for peace across the postsoviet countries.

    Maybe Bashibuzuk doesn’t know, the rich postsoviet people are going to school across the borders and they have friends on both sides. And their views of geopolitics, are usually like hippies.

    Your conveyor belt, factory assembly theory of human nature is just a cop out Dmitry.

    The views of the circles and culture of peoples’ youth, in some way are like the stamp of the vintage on the bottle of wine.

    In 1980s/1990s, Moscow elite was breaking and enters internal conflicts. Conspiracy theories about Jews was mainstreaming part of bohemian discussion of 1980s/1990s Moscow. It’s partly engineered by the security services. Although there is also regional variation, where Moscow always has this interethnic problems, while many regions are a lot more utopian in this area.

    I’m not historical expert, to say more about the discussions of the 1980s. It’s possible also internal conflict, including Jewish elites.

    One possible cynical reason for engineering a lot of Jewish conspiracy views in the society, is you want to create hostile atmosphere for Jewish population. A benefit of this, is for Israel by increasing immigration.

    In the 1980s/1990s, Israel was worried about its demographic situation and in the Israeli culture it became normal to talk about an Arab demographic time bomb” It’s perhaps not 100% impossible, KGB and Israel could have relationship in this topic.

    We know Israel has even made the United States close the Soviet Jewish immigration, because they want to trap the population in Israel.

    When Putin is president, the antisemitic theories is rapidly removed from the society. It’s because the ideologies in Russia are artificially engineered by the elite. The government can switch views on or off, very rapidly in this society.

    * I expect, Bashibuzuk will say to me, liberals are responsible for the war, even though liberals are the people who oppose the war and also, were warning us about this war years ago. People like me were thinking “the liberals are panicking in stupid way about this topic”.

    When we discuss Noize MC (liberal rapper of Russia) in this forum. Noize MC warns us this war and the deaths, was going to be years ago.

    Actually we see now, Noize MC was more accurate and knowledgeable, than anyone in this forum, including of course myself.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    So let's see if we can extract the bleached white bones of your theory from this rather long comment written in your charmingly elliptical and mildly opaque exotically foreign accent, which helps conceal the stark bleakness of your theory.

    Culture is a manipulation of elites to take advantage of the hapless masses, whose beliefs and behavior are conditioned and determined by culture. Elites are technocrats with unlimited power to engineer mass opinion for entirely selfish ends.

    Bashibuzuk, AP, and myself, are engineering products of elites and not free agents exercising moral choice.

    You, however, see through this entire charade because you understand society is a machine that can be controlled through inputs, and the human being is a machine that has no other goal than self-maximization.

    Therein lies your superiority, which places you on a level with the elites even if lacking their power.

    The 18th century analogy of world as machine is your guiding principle and taken to it's extreme. It's like some gaunt, dessicated French philosophe stepped out of a three hundred year old Paris salon with an ironic smile frozen permanently on his face and onto this forum :)

    And yet, if we touch your theory at any number of pressure points - called assumptions - it crumbles into the dust of cobwebs it is made of :)

    But what sort of person would want to believe such a theory? What fears and terrors would drive him?

    Replies: @AaronB, @silviosilver

  202. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Mikel
    @AaronB


    I might end up going to Montana this early in the summer
     
    A good choice any time of the year. But be warned that, slot canyon danger aside, the combination of big amounts of snow left in the mountains and frequent storm clouds is giving Utah a very dramatic touch this year. It's beautiful anywhere you go.

    https://i.ibb.co/WvpmNZh/utahJune.jpg

    Replies: @AaronB

    You’re whetting my appetite 🙂

    Looking forward.

  203. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ


    should Western rightoids have supported the Nazis, Italian Fascists, and Imperial Japanese during WWII?
     
    Yes.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Thank you for being consistent here.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ

    Don't mention it, always a pleasure.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

  204. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Modern day Iranian people are a mix of different populations, the Aryan component is rather limited. Turkic, Semitic and Elamite components are probably dominant compared to the Aryan
     
    Perhaps, but Iran's former vice-minister of culture, Mohammad-Ali Ramin, has what is probably a very Scythian face:

    https://i0.wp.com/www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/Others/Ramin.jpg

    https://www.memri.org/sites/default/files/pic_clip/ramin.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ

  205. @AP
    @Dmitry


    Btw, unfortunately AP perhaps could stop posting so much here, if Beckow and AnonfromTN will really exit because Ukraine goes to a counter-offensive.
     
    I think it's very convenient that AnoninTN leaves as Ukraine starts the counter-offensive.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    As Russia exits the Donbass, the Donbass exits from the Unz Review lol! 😀 😉

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    As Russia exits the Donbass, the Donbass exits from the Unz Review lol! 😀 😉

     

    Not happening. A lot of Donbass folks like this one below. I like it with Soviet taken out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZuAf7VAeKg
  206. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    By the way, if we want to ask about an interesting theme of the postwar Soviet history which seemed removed by the security services in recent postsoviet years, especially in the last 10 years in Russia they remove it from the media.


    https://i.imgur.com/ieKzkUy.png

    https://i.imgur.com/l1Fvcxk.png

    https://i.imgur.com/PkbSOvF.png

    https://i.imgur.com/7kw55m3.png

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Ivashka the fool

    The talk about the UFO in USSR had culminated during the Perestroika, although it was often discussed before in a non official manner. During the final couple of years of the Soviet Union, there were so many UFO sightings that it seemed like it happened every week or at least every month in different parts of the country. Around 1992, the Russian Orthodox Church went on record officially recommending its flock not to interact with UFOs which were described as demonic and dangerous. It was due to several people falling severely ill after interacting with UFOs and supposedly Aliens.

    I personally saw something remarkable when I was 14 – years old, in 1987. We were driving in a car with my mom and my younger brother. It was in the morning, probably around 7h00 am, I saw a bright light moving towards the horizon on the left side of the car. Suddenly, the light changed direction at an improbable angle and went at a tremendous speed flying over our car. My mom and brother saw it too. People around us were braking their cars and some tried parking. When it was passing, I had the time to see that inside the burning bright light, there was a visible shape that I recall being somewhat pyramidal or triangular. But I didn’t have the time to look at it in more detail, it took only around 30 seconds ro reach us from the horizon and it was gone. Nothing was published in the newspapers about it in the next days despite at least a half dozen cars being around us when that happened.

    Basically, I think that UFOs are real, but I have no idea what they are and what they are maid of. Plasma perhaps?

    BTW, last year in the autumn the Ukrainian astronomers have written about the detection of numerous plasmoid UFOs in the Kiev’s sky.

    https://www.livescience.com/ukraine-ufo-uap-report

    https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/ukrainian-astronomers-claim-ufos-everywhere-over-kyiv/

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2208.11215

    • Thanks: Dmitry, S
    • Replies: @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    The talk about the UFO in USSR had culminated during the Perestroika, although it was often discussed before in a non official manner. During the final couple of years of the Soviet Union, there were so many UFO sightings that it seemed like it happened every week or at least every month in different parts of the country.
     
    If a person checks the nightly news logs of the big three US networks at the time, this was reported in the US too, and not in any mocking fashion. It was reported straight, in at least that the Russians themselves were reporting it as if these things were happening, or they believed they were actually happening.

    The two that got a lot of coverage in the US were the 1989 Voronezh park sightings, though the Wiki entry (not the best source, admittedly) doesn't make it out to be that impressive and kind of questionable...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh_UFO_incident

    And the alleged 1984 Salyut 7 Cosmonaut 'winged angel' sightings, which now doesn't even rate a Wiki entry, and no mention positive or negative, at all on the Wiki Salyut 7 entry, which is not a good sign as to the veracity of the reports.

    While I think there probably is extraterrestrial life, I'm less certain if they've actually visited the Earth, and am leery of the context of the present day promotion of the subject, as someone could fake the entire thing for their own cynical geo-political ends. [Yes, lie about it.]

    Anyone have any comments about the Voronezh and Salyut 7 alleged sightings?


    https://youtu.be/UVml9jDBfyk

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

  207. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry

    Have you ever seen one?

    I loved the part where they write "Only a scientific analysis . . .".

    Why is this in English? Is the marxist . org page accurate?

    https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/culture/soviet-life/index.htm

    Replies: @Dmitry

    No, I’m asking Bashibuzuk, as he had seen them in the desert, if I remember.

    Also he could remember the time when there was discussion about this in the society. In the recent decade in Russia, they removed the discussion and flooded the media with articles to laugh about this topic.

    “Soviet Life” was kind of propaganda magazine that was to promote the Soviet Union in the West.

    However, as you can see, it has many good articles. This is an article by Felix Zigal and it’s written in a responsible way, without adding ideology or too many speculations.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Well, I just described the most remarkable sighting I ever had. Corroborated by my mom and brother many years after the incident. Although after all these years our memories diverged significantly, which is not surprising. At least, we still all remember that we saw something unusual.

    The other times I saw peculiar lights in the sky, were in a rather wild and forested region where I happened to live for a few years in a small village. There was no light pollution that is usual in the cities and the stary skies were a beautiful sight. When watching them one could often see satellites and planes passing by. But sometimes some lights were harder to classify because of their unusual flying patterns. I used to joke about them being flying saucers. By I frankly have no idea what they were.

    I have never seen anything strange in the desert.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  208. @AP
    @Dmitry


    Btw, unfortunately AP perhaps could stop posting so much here, if Beckow and AnonfromTN will really exit because Ukraine goes to a counter-offensive.
     
    I think it's very convenient that AnoninTN leaves as Ukraine starts the counter-offensive.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    Yes, there is a connection. But maybe it is because he is more intelligent than us and is going to live in the nuclear bunker in the garden where concrete prevents Wi-Fi.

    If you believe front page of Reddit, there was the most crazy UFO report also today, published after the beginning of the Ukrainian counter-offensive. Publishing about the UFO report today kind of reminds of https://politicaldictionary.com/words/friday-news-dump/

  209. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    When older users in this kind of political discussion are in bad mood or high stress, they often go to more extreme or simplistic views, which are comfortable for them. Sometimes these views are from the conditioning in youth.

    A few months ago, AP was in bad mood, he was writing scary comments about poor people. He seemed to have recovered, though. But for a time he was entering Social Darwinism when he was in a bad mood.

    Bashibuzuk is promoting racial conspiracy theory of Galkovsky (rightwing blogger of Moscow), to innocence himself for the invasion of Ukraine, so he can say he is ideologically innocent in this war. It's a kind of avoiding responsibility for the war, blame others. Although Putin is justifying war in the "triune nation", slavophile ideology and even some of the worst systemic liberals were exiting the government after invasion.

    Some part of Galkovsky's views are correct, for example the nationalities of the wealthy people, but it's also something everyone knows.

    Using Galkovsky to explain the Ukraine invasion, doesn't match what I saw, because I know rich people, from the class Galkovsky is snobby about. Rich people were most shocked by this invasion, who are organizing to help Ukrainians.* One of aspects of the golden youth created by the postsoviet mafia capitalism/mestizo project, were lot more empathy to Ukrainians and support for peace across the postsoviet countries.

    Maybe Bashibuzuk doesn't know, the rich postsoviet people are going to school across the borders and they have friends on both sides. And their views of geopolitics, are usually like hippies.


    Your conveyor belt, factory assembly theory of human nature is just a cop out Dmitry.

     

    The views of the circles and culture of peoples' youth, in some way are like the stamp of the vintage on the bottle of wine.

    In 1980s/1990s, Moscow elite was breaking and enters internal conflicts. Conspiracy theories about Jews was mainstreaming part of bohemian discussion of 1980s/1990s Moscow. It's partly engineered by the security services. Although there is also regional variation, where Moscow always has this interethnic problems, while many regions are a lot more utopian in this area.

    I'm not historical expert, to say more about the discussions of the 1980s. It's possible also internal conflict, including Jewish elites.

    One possible cynical reason for engineering a lot of Jewish conspiracy views in the society, is you want to create hostile atmosphere for Jewish population. A benefit of this, is for Israel by increasing immigration.

    In the 1980s/1990s, Israel was worried about its demographic situation and in the Israeli culture it became normal to talk about an Arab demographic time bomb" It's perhaps not 100% impossible, KGB and Israel could have relationship in this topic.

    We know Israel has even made the United States close the Soviet Jewish immigration, because they want to trap the population in Israel.

    When Putin is president, the antisemitic theories is rapidly removed from the society. It's because the ideologies in Russia are artificially engineered by the elite. The government can switch views on or off, very rapidly in this society.

    -

    * I expect, Bashibuzuk will say to me, liberals are responsible for the war, even though liberals are the people who oppose the war and also, were warning us about this war years ago. People like me were thinking "the liberals are panicking in stupid way about this topic".

    When we discuss Noize MC (liberal rapper of Russia) in this forum. Noize MC warns us this war and the deaths, was going to be years ago.

    Actually we see now, Noize MC was more accurate and knowledgeable, than anyone in this forum, including of course myself.

    Replies: @AaronB

    So let’s see if we can extract the bleached white bones of your theory from this rather long comment written in your charmingly elliptical and mildly opaque exotically foreign accent, which helps conceal the stark bleakness of your theory.

    Culture is a manipulation of elites to take advantage of the hapless masses, whose beliefs and behavior are conditioned and determined by culture. Elites are technocrats with unlimited power to engineer mass opinion for entirely selfish ends.

    Bashibuzuk, AP, and myself, are engineering products of elites and not free agents exercising moral choice.

    You, however, see through this entire charade because you understand society is a machine that can be controlled through inputs, and the human being is a machine that has no other goal than self-maximization.

    Therein lies your superiority, which places you on a level with the elites even if lacking their power.

    The 18th century analogy of world as machine is your guiding principle and taken to it’s extreme. It’s like some gaunt, dessicated French philosophe stepped out of a three hundred year old Paris salon with an ironic smile frozen permanently on his face and onto this forum 🙂

    And yet, if we touch your theory at any number of pressure points – called assumptions – it crumbles into the dust of cobwebs it is made of 🙂

    But what sort of person would want to believe such a theory? What fears and terrors would drive him?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @AaronB

    I am afraid, Dmitry, that you have a negative world view, which makes you legitimately fit in on this forum :)

    It's an illogical world view, but insofar as it utilizes the master-metaphor of modernity - world as mechanical device - it shines a light onto the irrationality of our times and it's unforced and chosen nihilism.

    But now I must to bed and sweet sleep, and what dreams may come.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    written in your charmingly elliptical and mildly opaque exotically foreign accent
     
    Hey, nicely put. I've been searching for the right words to describe it for quite some time and this is better (certainly gentler) than anything I've come up with.

    Therein lies your superiority, which places you on a level with the elites even if lacking their power.
     
    That's pretty good too.

    Replies: @AaronB

  210. A123 says: • Website

    And now for something completely different.

    This is a good summary of the Oroville Dam fiasco.

    Fortunately, it did not fail. Damage was over $1,000,000,000 and hundreds of thousands of residents were evacuated from the downstream risk area.

    Not to spoil the video, but the big mistake happened decades earlier. The initial survey was wrong. The design was for a bedrock base. Construction should have been red flagged in the 1960’s during the original build.

    The channel has a second video on the emergency repair.

    PEACE 😇

  211. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    That whole region is a part of Poland's historic sphere of influence due to the PLC lol.

    Replies: @Old Brown Fool, @Derer, @Beckow

    Do you mean, Poland has sphere of influence? Since when? Polaks are perennial complainers regardless of whatever system they live in.

  212. Okay, first of all, how is the Ukrainian offensive going? We are getting very mixed reports from the front.

    what do you guys think about this guy:

    Now, full disclosure: I really, really, really dislike stand up comedy as a medium. But I have definitely seen stand up that I found funny, even if I didn’t really enjoy it.

    But this is just, like, it’s unreal how bad it is. And he is supposedly like the premier Zoomer comedian.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Greasy William


    Now, full disclosure: I really, really, really dislike stand up comedy as a medium. But I have definitely seen stand up that I found funny, even if I didn’t really enjoy it.
     
    I feel the same way.

    And you're not wrong about this dude. That was painfully unfunny.

    I'm more disappointed by the audience though. Is it possible they're plants? If they're sincerely keeling over with laughter, God help us.

    It's also interesting to see how far good looks can take a guy.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  213. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    So let's see if we can extract the bleached white bones of your theory from this rather long comment written in your charmingly elliptical and mildly opaque exotically foreign accent, which helps conceal the stark bleakness of your theory.

    Culture is a manipulation of elites to take advantage of the hapless masses, whose beliefs and behavior are conditioned and determined by culture. Elites are technocrats with unlimited power to engineer mass opinion for entirely selfish ends.

    Bashibuzuk, AP, and myself, are engineering products of elites and not free agents exercising moral choice.

    You, however, see through this entire charade because you understand society is a machine that can be controlled through inputs, and the human being is a machine that has no other goal than self-maximization.

    Therein lies your superiority, which places you on a level with the elites even if lacking their power.

    The 18th century analogy of world as machine is your guiding principle and taken to it's extreme. It's like some gaunt, dessicated French philosophe stepped out of a three hundred year old Paris salon with an ironic smile frozen permanently on his face and onto this forum :)

    And yet, if we touch your theory at any number of pressure points - called assumptions - it crumbles into the dust of cobwebs it is made of :)

    But what sort of person would want to believe such a theory? What fears and terrors would drive him?

    Replies: @AaronB, @silviosilver

    I am afraid, Dmitry, that you have a negative world view, which makes you legitimately fit in on this forum 🙂

    It’s an illogical world view, but insofar as it utilizes the master-metaphor of modernity – world as mechanical device – it shines a light onto the irrationality of our times and it’s unforced and chosen nihilism.

    But now I must to bed and sweet sleep, and what dreams may come.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AaronB

    From the previous OT, with respect to the precautionary principle


    Inculcating fatalism will not affect human flourishing? Creating racial hierarchies that are false won’t create injustice? Eliminating personal agency won’t t negatively impact society?
     
    Hereditarianism isn't fatalistic, it's probabilistic. Take someone with a predisposition to be violent. He isn't violent every minute of every day. There is simply some probability above the average that he will react violently in a given context. His predisposition is a random variable, which means even he won't react violently in the same context every time. For someone with a very violent predisposition, the probability is much higher than average.

    What injustice? Hereditarianism is simply the best explanation - or at least a very good supplemental explanation - for why groups differ in mean outcomes. The real injustice is the "white racism" (non-) explanation, which holds whites guilty for crimes they're innocent of. Your denialism is complicit in perpetuating this injustice.

    There is also another injustice to consider, which is insisting that people can be better than they actually can, and issuing angry denunciations when they fail to live up to your unrealistic expectations. What is the point of trying to drum algebra into people when they're still struggling with basic arithmetic, an activity which is already at the point of overloading their brains? And then pointing fingers left and right at falsely identified culprits (teachers, schools, parents, the students themselves). This is a straight recipe for unhappiness.

    Lastly, hereditarianism doesn't eliminate personal agency. Under hereditarianism people are as free to set and pursue goals and values as they ever were. We can to a degree predict how successful their efforts are likely to be, but it's not such a precise science that we can speak in absolutes. And fortunately, most fulfilment in life doesn't come from being "the best" at something, but from simply being better than you were before - better at speaking French, better at playing the piano, better at raising your kids, better at cultivating friendships, better at painting, or whatever. It's an oversimplification, but Tony Robbins' refrain "progress equals happiness" gets it mostly right (for normal people, maybe not for world-rejecting spiritualists like you).

    But there is an even greater danger, and the one that most concerns me – heteditarianism suggests that performance isn’t to a significant extent a function of values, principles, and ideals, which may differ among individuals and societies, but rather assumes we all want to conquer the world and only ability constrains us.
     
    Hereditarianism says that whatever goals or values people aim for, the likelihood of realizing them will be affected by hereditary factors.

    In short it eliminates the spiritual perspective entirely.
     
    In short, it does not.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  214. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    The talk about the UFO in USSR had culminated during the Perestroika, although it was often discussed before in a non official manner. During the final couple of years of the Soviet Union, there were so many UFO sightings that it seemed like it happened every week or at least every month in different parts of the country. Around 1992, the Russian Orthodox Church went on record officially recommending its flock not to interact with UFOs which were described as demonic and dangerous. It was due to several people falling severely ill after interacting with UFOs and supposedly Aliens.

    I personally saw something remarkable when I was 14 - years old, in 1987. We were driving in a car with my mom and my younger brother. It was in the morning, probably around 7h00 am, I saw a bright light moving towards the horizon on the left side of the car. Suddenly, the light changed direction at an improbable angle and went at a tremendous speed flying over our car. My mom and brother saw it too. People around us were braking their cars and some tried parking. When it was passing, I had the time to see that inside the burning bright light, there was a visible shape that I recall being somewhat pyramidal or triangular. But I didn't have the time to look at it in more detail, it took only around 30 seconds ro reach us from the horizon and it was gone. Nothing was published in the newspapers about it in the next days despite at least a half dozen cars being around us when that happened.

    Basically, I think that UFOs are real, but I have no idea what they are and what they are maid of. Plasma perhaps?

    BTW, last year in the autumn the Ukrainian astronomers have written about the detection of numerous plasmoid UFOs in the Kiev's sky.

    https://www.livescience.com/ukraine-ufo-uap-report

    https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/ukrainian-astronomers-claim-ufos-everywhere-over-kyiv/

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2208.11215

    Replies: @S

    The talk about the UFO in USSR had culminated during the Perestroika, although it was often discussed before in a non official manner. During the final couple of years of the Soviet Union, there were so many UFO sightings that it seemed like it happened every week or at least every month in different parts of the country.

    If a person checks the nightly news logs of the big three US networks at the time, this was reported in the US too, and not in any mocking fashion. It was reported straight, in at least that the Russians themselves were reporting it as if these things were happening, or they believed they were actually happening.

    The two that got a lot of coverage in the US were the 1989 Voronezh park sightings, though the Wiki entry (not the best source, admittedly) doesn’t make it out to be that impressive and kind of questionable…

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh_UFO_incident

    And the alleged 1984 Salyut 7 Cosmonaut ‘winged angel’ sightings, which now doesn’t even rate a Wiki entry, and no mention positive or negative, at all on the Wiki Salyut 7 entry, which is not a good sign as to the veracity of the reports.

    While I think there probably is extraterrestrial life, I’m less certain if they’ve actually visited the Earth, and am leery of the context of the present day promotion of the subject, as someone could fake the entire thing for their own cynical geo-political ends. [Yes, lie about it.]

    Anyone have any comments about the Voronezh and Salyut 7 alleged sightings?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @S


    And the alleged 1984 Salyut 7 Cosmonaut ‘winged angel’ sightings
     
    Comsat Angels ?

    https://youtu.be/L3otoz9ODOE

    🙂

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S


    Anyone have any comments about the Voronezh and Salyut 7 alleged sightings?
     
    1. If you have seen one there isn't anything alleged about it.
    2. If you use that word in your description the people who have seen a good one are less likely to tell you anything about it.

    An internet bulletin board is a tough environment for this subject. I will tell you a bit about my own experience. I have never seen one. Maybe unlike the vast majority of people who have never seen one, I have spent an enormous amount of my life keeping my eyes open for them. And still do.

    I also have never seen a leprechaun or a fairy but if I come across one you can bet I ain't gonna be posting about it on the internet. : )

    marxists . org has a bunch of those Soviet Life issues on pdf available for download. Not the February 1968 edition that Dmitry posted images of which are not easy to read. If anybody knows where a friendlier format is I would be interested. I liked this one:

    https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/culture/soviet-life/1984/10.pdf

    The editors and writers place a high value on peace. Nobody knows why John Kennedy was murdered. There is some information that the motive was he wanted to partner with Russians on the moon mission.

    Replies: @S, @Dmitry, @S

    , @Dmitry
    @S

    A problem in the Soviet time, is there are so many historical secrets, so trying to understand these stories becomes even more confusing than in the Western countries.

    For example, we are talking about the destruction of the dam today.

    But in 1961, in Kiev/Kyiv collapsed a dam because of engineers' mistakes, which had maybe killed more than a thousand people. But the estimate for such high numbers is only a result of the postsoviet Ukrainian government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurenivka_mudslide

  215. @Pixo
    @German_reader

    There are volunteers from at least 20 White nations defending Free Christian Europe against Putin’s Islamo-Oriental hordes and prison-recruited rapist-mercenaries.

    Good for them!

    https://assets.deutschlandfunk.de/1fbcc4b0-c8fd-45b7-9771-fe2f8e10fd98/1280x720.jpg?t=1663058502356

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya, @Derer

    What volunteers you pinhead…those are desperate NATO low IQ, homeless recruits. Majority die in an unknown grave.

  216. @Mr. XYZ
    @Ivashka the fool

    Thank you for being consistent here.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Don’t mention it, always a pleasure.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Ivashka the fool

    How do you feel about Putin losing the Lordship of Kherson and the Earldom of Izyum? He's still the Grand Duke of Crimea and the Prince of the Donbass, at least for now. Also the Baron of Melitopol, again at least for now.

    (The Prince of the Donbass is modeled on the French title Prince of the Dombes.)

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Ivashka the fool

    BTW, I suspect that it is the pro-Putin/pro-Russia Rightoids from the Woke Left will try purging first because they're deemed the most subversive, dangerous, and repulsive. Pro-West Rightoids I think would be tolerated by the Woke Left for a longer time period since the Woke Left will want at least a semblance of respectable opposition--the "Respectable Right", if you will, unlike those MAGA upstarts.

    CNN had Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, and Jeffrey Lord as commentators, so the Woke Left clearly has some demand for "Respectable Right" figures. Though I'm unsure if CNN is fully Woke.

  217. @Greasy William
    @John Johnson

    Dmitry isn't a Jew, he just has a bizarre love affair with secular Israelis. And, I'm not gonna lie, I kinda have suspicions myself that you may be Jewish. Because for an anti liberal American to be so hostile to Russia/Putin is strange.

    I don't see what the vaccines have to do with Jews one way or the other.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @silviosilver

    Dmitry isn’t a Jew, he just has a bizarre love affair with secular Israelis.

    He is very cagey about how Jewish he is. Doesn’t he claim to have a Jewish ancestor? And he seems to understand Hebrew, which would be a very unusual step for a non-Jew.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver

    Adolf Eichmann understood some Hebrew, IIRC. Seriously. He learned it so that he could study the Jewish question better.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    He is very cagey about how Jewish he is.
     
    He's told us several times that he's got a Jewish great-grandfather. I suppose it's a factor in his philosemitism (or rather enthusiasm for Israel, though it's more of the touristy kind than anything genuinely Zionist), but I've never understood why people here insinuate he's some kind of stereotypical Jewish subversive, comes across as paranoid tbh.
    tbh I get much more of such a feeling from Aaron, with his endless attempts to "educate" commenters about the evils of their nationalist world view and attempts at psycho-analyzing them. Tiresome. But I guess this site might provoke such a reaction in many people, given the material it hosts.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

    , @Wokechoke
    @silviosilver

    Dmitry is obviously a Jew going on about Israel like that. He’s a lost tribal member though. Trying to get back home.

    A rich or clever man’s son/daughter is often a target for assimilation. Not a downwardly

  218. @silviosilver
    @Greasy William


    Dmitry isn’t a Jew, he just has a bizarre love affair with secular Israelis.
     
    He is very cagey about how Jewish he is. Doesn't he claim to have a Jewish ancestor? And he seems to understand Hebrew, which would be a very unusual step for a non-Jew.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    Adolf Eichmann understood some Hebrew, IIRC. Seriously. He learned it so that he could study the Jewish question better.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Mr. XYZ

    I didn't know that. Obviously it's not impossible that someone might learn Hebrew. Learning the ancient tongue was once common among intellectuals. Nowadays there is less interest in modern Hebrew, but I'm sure some non-Jews get interested enough to learn it. But generally, when someone can speak Hebrew (and has a pro-Israel opinion), it's fairly safe assumption he's Jewish.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  219. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ

    Don't mention it, always a pleasure.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    How do you feel about Putin losing the Lordship of Kherson and the Earldom of Izyum? He’s still the Grand Duke of Crimea and the Prince of the Donbass, at least for now. Also the Baron of Melitopol, again at least for now.

    (The Prince of the Donbass is modeled on the French title Prince of the Dombes.)

  220. @Mr. XYZ
    What's interesting is just how much Ukrainian attitudes on NATO have shifted since 2008-2009, which was just 14-15 years ago:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/127094/ukrainians-likely-support-move-away-nato.aspx

    https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/vjb1a4iylu6utcv3ru-3ba.gif

    Even by ex-USSR standards, Ukrainians back then were extraordinarily hostile towards NATO:

    https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/3ih5qp-pbe2pt58w7cq7cq.gif

    This slightly changed by 2013 but not by too much:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/167927/crisis-ukrainians-likely-nato-threat.aspx

    https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/t6tyaphnw0qg2s1to6yrfq.png

    https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/raqp-ke8oesvjtcqzboz2w.png

    @AP This is why Ukrainian NATO membership back in 2008 was unrealistic.

    FWIW, in 2013, the EU was more popular than NATO in central Ukraine:

    https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/-uhbmgosieseh4gcw2_mew.png

    Replies: @Derer

    The actual data of every poll is kept secret and not audited by a neural body. For a simple reason, it is concocted and fake. That is why election polls are usually wrong (a la Kilary is ahead of Trump).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Derer

    Neural or neutral?

    Anyway, polls are generally correct. The Trump general election polls were an exception to the general rule.

  221. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ

    Don't mention it, always a pleasure.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    BTW, I suspect that it is the pro-Putin/pro-Russia Rightoids from the Woke Left will try purging first because they’re deemed the most subversive, dangerous, and repulsive. Pro-West Rightoids I think would be tolerated by the Woke Left for a longer time period since the Woke Left will want at least a semblance of respectable opposition–the “Respectable Right”, if you will, unlike those MAGA upstarts.

    CNN had Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, and Jeffrey Lord as commentators, so the Woke Left clearly has some demand for “Respectable Right” figures. Though I’m unsure if CNN is fully Woke.

  222. German_reader says:
    @silviosilver
    @Greasy William


    Dmitry isn’t a Jew, he just has a bizarre love affair with secular Israelis.
     
    He is very cagey about how Jewish he is. Doesn't he claim to have a Jewish ancestor? And he seems to understand Hebrew, which would be a very unusual step for a non-Jew.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    He is very cagey about how Jewish he is.

    He’s told us several times that he’s got a Jewish great-grandfather. I suppose it’s a factor in his philosemitism (or rather enthusiasm for Israel, though it’s more of the touristy kind than anything genuinely Zionist), but I’ve never understood why people here insinuate he’s some kind of stereotypical Jewish subversive, comes across as paranoid tbh.
    tbh I get much more of such a feeling from Aaron, with his endless attempts to “educate” commenters about the evils of their nationalist world view and attempts at psycho-analyzing them. Tiresome. But I guess this site might provoke such a reaction in many people, given the material it hosts.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    He’s told us several times that he’s got a Jewish great-grandfather. I suppose it’s a factor in his philosemitism (or rather enthusiasm for Israel, though it’s more of the touristy kind than anything genuinely Zionist), but I’ve never understood why people here insinuate he’s some kind of stereotypical Jewish subversive, comes across as paranoid tbh.
     
    Is Dmitry an Israeli citizen? Because if he would have immigrated to Israel other with his quarter-Jewish parent (his other parent can also come to Israel as well if the two of them are still married), then he could have acquired Israeli citizenship, I think. It's still not too late for him to do this, hopefully.

    Replies: @Yahya

    , @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    He’s told us several times that he’s got a Jewish great-grandfather.
     
    Yeah okay, I couldn't remember whether it was a grandfather or great-grandfather. That by itself doesn't tell you much. Someone with a Jewish father might decide he's not Jewish at all, someone else with a Jewish granddad might go all in on Jewish identity.

    but I’ve never understood why people here insinuate he’s some kind of stereotypical Jewish subversive, comes across as paranoid tbh.
     
    If that was aimed at me, I wasn't suggesting anything like that nor do I think my interactions with him have been characterized by such an assumption. I do recall asking him point blank whether he called himself Jewish when he visited Israel, which he declined to answer. He's so keen to talk about everything Israel I thought it was weird to dodge that question.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

  223. @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    The talk about the UFO in USSR had culminated during the Perestroika, although it was often discussed before in a non official manner. During the final couple of years of the Soviet Union, there were so many UFO sightings that it seemed like it happened every week or at least every month in different parts of the country.
     
    If a person checks the nightly news logs of the big three US networks at the time, this was reported in the US too, and not in any mocking fashion. It was reported straight, in at least that the Russians themselves were reporting it as if these things were happening, or they believed they were actually happening.

    The two that got a lot of coverage in the US were the 1989 Voronezh park sightings, though the Wiki entry (not the best source, admittedly) doesn't make it out to be that impressive and kind of questionable...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh_UFO_incident

    And the alleged 1984 Salyut 7 Cosmonaut 'winged angel' sightings, which now doesn't even rate a Wiki entry, and no mention positive or negative, at all on the Wiki Salyut 7 entry, which is not a good sign as to the veracity of the reports.

    While I think there probably is extraterrestrial life, I'm less certain if they've actually visited the Earth, and am leery of the context of the present day promotion of the subject, as someone could fake the entire thing for their own cynical geo-political ends. [Yes, lie about it.]

    Anyone have any comments about the Voronezh and Salyut 7 alleged sightings?


    https://youtu.be/UVml9jDBfyk

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

    And the alleged 1984 Salyut 7 Cosmonaut ‘winged angel’ sightings

    Comsat Angels ?

    🙂

    • LOL: S
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJemA-eviU&ab_channel=JeffersonJukebox

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  224. @Dmitry
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    No, I'm asking Bashibuzuk, as he had seen them in the desert, if I remember.

    Also he could remember the time when there was discussion about this in the society. In the recent decade in Russia, they removed the discussion and flooded the media with articles to laugh about this topic.

    "Soviet Life" was kind of propaganda magazine that was to promote the Soviet Union in the West.

    However, as you can see, it has many good articles. This is an article by Felix Zigal and it's written in a responsible way, without adding ideology or too many speculations.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Well, I just described the most remarkable sighting I ever had. Corroborated by my mom and brother many years after the incident. Although after all these years our memories diverged significantly, which is not surprising. At least, we still all remember that we saw something unusual.

    The other times I saw peculiar lights in the sky, were in a rather wild and forested region where I happened to live for a few years in a small village. There was no light pollution that is usual in the cities and the stary skies were a beautiful sight. When watching them one could often see satellites and planes passing by. But sometimes some lights were harder to classify because of their unusual flying patterns. I used to joke about them being flying saucers. By I frankly have no idea what they were.

    I have never seen anything strange in the desert.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    What was your view if you saw these kinds of discussions on youtube which seem to be from important professionals?

    I guess for most of us who never saw anything interesting in our life that doesn't follow conventional laws of nature, just need to accept this stage of indeterminacy.

    We could believe people who saw those and also certain authorities, or accept people like you have a good imagination and also the authorities are really trolling us nowadays, or maybe we could say there are a lot of important people with good imaginations.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  225. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    There are some in the Saint Sophia in Kiev:

    https://www.paylessflights.com/images/galleries/225243ccbe7165ac4269518efbf23601.jpeg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I am aware of that.

  226. @QCIC
    @Beckow

    With the Russian kill ratio of > 5:1 and material exchange ratios probably worse, Ukraine has no sensible war objective. Any fighting they do costs more than it gains. The aim of the West seems to be to use up Ukraine and hopefully make Russia vulnerable in the process. The rabid NeoNazi thugs kill any Ukrainians with the common sense and balls to point this out.

    +++

    I think some of these recent attacks look like Russian false flags. The goal may be to create popular support and justification for moving on Kharkov.

    My wild speculation:

    The Russians will beef up border security from Belarus to Luhansk over the next several weeks. They will put out warnings that Kharkiv is at risk, so any helpless or retarded civilians still there will leave as best they can. Russia might open some sort of additional corridors for civilian refugees from the city to pass into Russia. While this is occurring the Russian missile attacks across the rest of the country will continue, possibly with more emphasis on rail infrastructure to the West.

    Next they will destroy any serious air defense capabilities remaining within 50 miles of the city, even out to Poltava. This will be completed using coordinated attacks with missiles and aircraft. Once the main SAMS are destroyed they will bomb all militarily relevant targets in and around the city. I think this campaign will use Su-34 and Tu-22M aircraft. Fuel bunkers, ammo dumps, airport runways and rail yards will be destroyed first. Next will be substations and communications infrastructure. This stage may proceed gradually as they monitor what the Ukrainians are doing in other areas of the conflict.

    The actual capture of the city of Kharkov is difficult for me to visualize. Wiki lists the metro population as ~ 1.7 million. Does anyone know how many people are still there? Whatever the number, the Ukrainian forces will use their own civilians as human shields making things as difficult as possible for the Russian troops. The way it plays out may depend on the number of AFU troops+NeoNazis+Ukr partisans versus the number of helpless civilians+non-combatants actually in the Kharkov metropolitan area. If the percentage of active fighters is high they may just lay siege. If there is a high proportion of civilians they may go in house to house. This depends on the the numbers on both sides including how many troops is Russia willing to commit to capture the city outright.

    +++

    If the Ukrainian leadership were smart they would surrender tomorrow. All of the surviving troops could potentially be organized into a fifth column and become a pain for Russia after the SMO ends. Eventually they will figure this out, but the cocky Ukrainians will demand unacceptable preconditions and concessions which will give Russia time to keep hammering away.

    Replies: @Derer

    The Russian main preoccupation should be targeting and destroying the NATO military hardware shipment routes at the Ukraine’s west borders.

  227. @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    He is very cagey about how Jewish he is.
     
    He's told us several times that he's got a Jewish great-grandfather. I suppose it's a factor in his philosemitism (or rather enthusiasm for Israel, though it's more of the touristy kind than anything genuinely Zionist), but I've never understood why people here insinuate he's some kind of stereotypical Jewish subversive, comes across as paranoid tbh.
    tbh I get much more of such a feeling from Aaron, with his endless attempts to "educate" commenters about the evils of their nationalist world view and attempts at psycho-analyzing them. Tiresome. But I guess this site might provoke such a reaction in many people, given the material it hosts.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

    He’s told us several times that he’s got a Jewish great-grandfather. I suppose it’s a factor in his philosemitism (or rather enthusiasm for Israel, though it’s more of the touristy kind than anything genuinely Zionist), but I’ve never understood why people here insinuate he’s some kind of stereotypical Jewish subversive, comes across as paranoid tbh.

    Is Dmitry an Israeli citizen? Because if he would have immigrated to Israel other with his quarter-Jewish parent (his other parent can also come to Israel as well if the two of them are still married), then he could have acquired Israeli citizenship, I think. It’s still not too late for him to do this, hopefully.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Mr. XYZ


    Is Dmitry an Israeli citizen? Because if he would have immigrated to Israel other with his quarter-Jewish parent (his other parent can also come to Israel as well if the two of them are still married), then he could have acquired Israeli citizenship, I think. It’s still not too late for him to do this, hopefully.
     
    I believe Dmitry already is an Israeli citizen.

    Demonstrates the ridiculousness of Israeli citizenship laws tbh.

    If his only Jewish ancestor is a great-grandparent, then he is less than 7% Middle Eastern by ancestry.

    Yet gets to acquire citizenship and have right to residence in Israel.

    Meanwhile Palestinians are barred from visiting the land of their grandparents.

    Because apparently Palestinians come from Arabia and aren’t really native to the area.

    But Dmitry and other Russians with 7% Levantine ancestry are.

    LMAO.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  228. TBH, the more that I think about it, the more that I’m baffled by Anatoly Crimeus Karlin’s logic:

    Did a strong Soviet Union (in control of not only Ukraine but also Eastern Europe) prevent McCarthyism? No, it didn’t; rather, it was apparently stopped by the US Supreme Court:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

    Thus, why exactly would he think that a strong Russia (a Russia that would have successfully conquered Ukraine and subsequently crushed any insurgencies there) would prevent Western Rightoids from getting cancelled?

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. XYZ

    >Conservatives want to preserve the past
    >Past has Niggers

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1665648278594109440?s=20

    Already see this happening.

  229. AP says:

    Both sides are blaming the other for the destruction of the dam. Ukraine claims it didn’t have the weapons to do it: only planted explosives could have blown it up. But who knows? Each side benefits in different ways: the Left Bank (controlled by Russia) will be much more heavily flooded than the Right Bank (controlled by Ukraine) so Russians positions will be more heavily damaged. The destruction also eliminates a major source of fresh water for Crimea, and it will take a decade or more to fix it (though if Russia is thinking that it will lose Crimea this becomes a Ukrainian problem, not a Russian one).

    On the other hand, this will make crossing the Dnipro much harder for Ukrainian forces so Russia will have a smaller front to defend. From this perspective, Russia benefits.

    Hopefully there will not be a catastrophe at the nuclear plant. I wrote back in August:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-194/#comment-5503467

    “If the plant blows up while Ukraine is collapsing, at a time when the fallout travels eastward and ruins Donbas, Rostov and a lot of southern Russia, Ukraine probably did it.

    And if the plant blows up while Russia is losing and exiting Ukraine, and at a time when the wind is blowing westward for a few days, Russia probably did it.”

    Hopefully neither sides fucks that up.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP

    Just, hopefully not like similar destructions of dams in 1941.

    This is a maybe controversial estimate - "The flooding surge killed 20,000 to over 100,000 unsuspecting civilians, as well as Red Army officers who were crossing over the river"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnieper_Hydroelectric_Station#World_War_II_and_post-war_reconstruction

    Replies: @AP

  230. A123 says: • Website

    Is there hope for Germany? (1)

    The Alternative for Germany (AfD) continues its steady march higher in the polls, now reaching an all-time high of 19 percent in the latest INSA poll conducted for the Bild newspaper.

    The results have sent yet another “shockwave” through the political and media establishment, with politicians from both the left and the moderate Christian Democrats (CDU/CSU) fiercely debating what is behind the rise of the AfD. The party is known for its strict anti-immigration stance, opposition to sanctions on Russia as well as German weapons being sent to Ukraine, and criticism of green energy policies being promoted by the left-liberal ruling government.

    Welt newspaper, which is usually seen as pro-CDU, has rejected this assertion, writing that the country’s mass immigration problem is at the core of AfD’s growth.

    “CDU leader Merz received widespread criticism for his Twitter statement on gender language as driving votes for the AfD. Welt author Thorsten Jungholt does not see gender as the main cause, but migration policy,” wrote the publication.

    Merz has also reiterated that his party will continue to rule out all cooperation with the AfD.

    The CDU, however, is the party responsible for the era of mass immigration under Chancellor Angela Merkel. This reality may provide the party with an incentive to avoid the issue as much as possible, especially when addressing the AfD party, which takes a far more hardline position on immigration than the CDU.

    “A small tip for Merz, Lang, Scholz and company. It is not gender topics,” wrote one user. He then posted two links to articles involving knife crime.

    In related news — Meloni’s government has finally started handing out 1st Offense penalties for Muslim trafficking. (2)

    The Italian coast guard detained two German-operated migrant rescue vessels on Friday after breaching new maritime laws introduced by Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni’s administration.

    The Sea-Eye 4, a vessel belonging to the Regensburg-based non-governmental organization of the same name, reportedly conducted multiple rescue operations during a single voyage.

    Mare Go, which also flies the German flag, ignored requests by the Italian authorities to disembark rescued migrants in the port of Trapani, instead heading to the overrun Italian island of Lampedusa.

    The captains of both vessels were informed the ships will be detained in port for 20 days due to the transgressions, in addition to both organizations being fined €3,300.

    20 days of impoundment is not cheap for a large vessel. The key is that 2nd, 3rd, and subsequent infractions ratchet up to harsher penalties.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/article/germany-needs-new-elections-right-populist-afd-partys-new-record-polling-high-of-19-sparks-national-political-debate/

    (2) https://rmx.news/migrant-crisis/italy-detains-migrant-rescue-vessels-accused-of-violating-new-maritime-laws/

  231. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    As Russia exits the Donbass, the Donbass exits from the Unz Review lol! :D ;)

    Replies: @Mikhail

    As Russia exits the Donbass, the Donbass exits from the Unz Review lol! 😀 😉

    Not happening. A lot of Donbass folks like this one below. I like it with Soviet taken out.

  232. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    So let's see if we can extract the bleached white bones of your theory from this rather long comment written in your charmingly elliptical and mildly opaque exotically foreign accent, which helps conceal the stark bleakness of your theory.

    Culture is a manipulation of elites to take advantage of the hapless masses, whose beliefs and behavior are conditioned and determined by culture. Elites are technocrats with unlimited power to engineer mass opinion for entirely selfish ends.

    Bashibuzuk, AP, and myself, are engineering products of elites and not free agents exercising moral choice.

    You, however, see through this entire charade because you understand society is a machine that can be controlled through inputs, and the human being is a machine that has no other goal than self-maximization.

    Therein lies your superiority, which places you on a level with the elites even if lacking their power.

    The 18th century analogy of world as machine is your guiding principle and taken to it's extreme. It's like some gaunt, dessicated French philosophe stepped out of a three hundred year old Paris salon with an ironic smile frozen permanently on his face and onto this forum :)

    And yet, if we touch your theory at any number of pressure points - called assumptions - it crumbles into the dust of cobwebs it is made of :)

    But what sort of person would want to believe such a theory? What fears and terrors would drive him?

    Replies: @AaronB, @silviosilver

    written in your charmingly elliptical and mildly opaque exotically foreign accent

    Hey, nicely put. I’ve been searching for the right words to describe it for quite some time and this is better (certainly gentler) than anything I’ve come up with.

    Therein lies your superiority, which places you on a level with the elites even if lacking their power.

    That’s pretty good too.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @silviosilver

    Ah, thanks.

    Yeah I didn't really know how to describe it, I just know half the time reading Dmitry I only half understand what he's really getting at, but my system is sending off alarm bells that there is something really wrong with it and even sinister about it, but it's all so amiable and avuncular and pleasantly foreign :)

    But I'm starting to get a clearer idea.

  233. @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    He is very cagey about how Jewish he is.
     
    He's told us several times that he's got a Jewish great-grandfather. I suppose it's a factor in his philosemitism (or rather enthusiasm for Israel, though it's more of the touristy kind than anything genuinely Zionist), but I've never understood why people here insinuate he's some kind of stereotypical Jewish subversive, comes across as paranoid tbh.
    tbh I get much more of such a feeling from Aaron, with his endless attempts to "educate" commenters about the evils of their nationalist world view and attempts at psycho-analyzing them. Tiresome. But I guess this site might provoke such a reaction in many people, given the material it hosts.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

    He’s told us several times that he’s got a Jewish great-grandfather.

    Yeah okay, I couldn’t remember whether it was a grandfather or great-grandfather. That by itself doesn’t tell you much. Someone with a Jewish father might decide he’s not Jewish at all, someone else with a Jewish granddad might go all in on Jewish identity.

    but I’ve never understood why people here insinuate he’s some kind of stereotypical Jewish subversive, comes across as paranoid tbh.

    If that was aimed at me, I wasn’t suggesting anything like that nor do I think my interactions with him have been characterized by such an assumption. I do recall asking him point blank whether he called himself Jewish when he visited Israel, which he declined to answer. He’s so keen to talk about everything Israel I thought it was weird to dodge that question.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver


    someone else with a Jewish granddad might go all in on Jewish identity.
     
    Yep, that's me! Albeit not enough for me to actually attend a synagogue--yet, at least!
    , @Dmitry
    @silviosilver

    I wrote this comment about ten times, apologize to people bored of re-reading it. From Israel's categorization, I have "Jewish roots to the third generation" - grandfather who had a Jewish mother.

    As for if I can say to someone I am Jewish? The answer is no, as my mother is not Jewish because not her mother because not her mother etc. It would be like saying you're a doctor, when you are not a doctor i.e. fraud.

    As for if I can say I have Jewish roots? I think it's not misleading or boasting to say that. I have documented roots. But it's not my main roots, so it's a minority of my roots, but it is at least documented roots.

    As for Israel, legally, they give "Jewish roots to third generation people" right for citizenship, also for citizenship future wife and children of the "Jewish roots third generation people" before they are 18. Although external passport is more complicated.

    If I can write about Israel in internet forums? I don't have knowledge of the locals. I don't think anyone will confuse me with an expert. But I lived a few months there total, I have a few friends still there now, learn some language, enjoy some of the Israeli television etc. My comments, hopefully therefore could be more accurate than if I write about politics of Myanmar or Uganda and perhaps are not completely touristical, only a little.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  234. @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver

    Adolf Eichmann understood some Hebrew, IIRC. Seriously. He learned it so that he could study the Jewish question better.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    I didn’t know that. Obviously it’s not impossible that someone might learn Hebrew. Learning the ancient tongue was once common among intellectuals. Nowadays there is less interest in modern Hebrew, but I’m sure some non-Jews get interested enough to learn it. But generally, when someone can speak Hebrew (and has a pro-Israel opinion), it’s fairly safe assumption he’s Jewish.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver

    Open Israel's doors to more gentile* immigration, and you'll have more gentiles* speaking Hebrew.

    *I mean actual gentiles, not people who are only technical gentiles due to them having the "wrong" Jewish parent or grandparent.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  235. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Am I the only one who sees that this new incarnation of Ivashka is basically a hardcore anti-Semite, racialist, and proto-fascist? Very sinister stuff coming from him the past few months, even though he tries to mix it with nice fake Buddhist stuff and pretend he's really a down to earth nice guy. Lately his comments read like they can come from any other part of the Unz review, which this part of the website always avoided for so long. He'd probably feel right at home on a Freud-Jung thread.

    I'm too much of a cultural mongrel, crossed too many cultural borders, to represent anything, really - I spent too many decades travelling all over Asia, too many years living in different countries, too much time alone out in nature, and read too many books from different cultures, and have had too many friends from different countries. I am a rootless cosmopolitan in the best sense and proud of it :) A citizen of the world who can say after the Roman playwright Terence - "Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto". This is the diametric opposite of what Bashi aspires to be with his national archetypes and what not.

    And I am nowhere near ambitious enough or obsessed with money and success enough to represent the capitalist Brooklyn Jewish culture :) That culture is also highly narcissistic, toxic, and dysfunctional for me to want to be any part of.

    We are not just deterministic products of the institutions that we grow up around, and do have personal agency, Dmitry, you incorrigible determinist :) Especially in this globalized age where we really can select from a wide range of cultural influences and expose ourselves to be shaped by really global influences.

    What Nikes indeed - very funny, very funny, Dmitry. You are behind the times - the new hot thing in bourgeois consumption is minimalist barefoot shoes for trail running, like Xeros :)

    Although I've been thinking of making my own Japanese straw sandals....

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    the new hot thing in bourgeois consumption is minimalist barefoot shoes for trail running, like Xeros

    Never heard of them. All trail running shoes must have a minimalist design though. My mid-low range $100 gore tex Under Armour shoes are also ultralight. When trail running all you want to have is some sole protection but you need full freedom of movements in your feet and ankles to avoid injuries. I use them all year round, both in the winter snow (with gaiters and thick socks) and in the scorching summer heat. I’ll probably have to replace them soon so I’ll check the Xeros models.

    Speaking of which, the other day I asked my wife, whose main hobby is shopping around, to buy me a new cap for running. After the ridiculous Dylan Mulvanney Nike ad, which was outright mockery of real women, I didn’t feel like advertising that brand on my head when running so she bought me a new Adidas cap. Just a couple of weeks later I learned that Adidas had also released its own infamous “tuck-friendly” woman swimsuit for pervy exhibitionists. There’s no escaping from the woke madness really. It should be tremendously easy for some GOP-affiliated group to maintain a list of woke promoting companies so that the half or two thirds of the population who don’t align with those values can stop the madness with our pockets but they’re just too distracted with their own anti-vax or 2nd ammendment obsessions to waste their time in the culture wars that they’re losing so badly.

    Btw, nothing wrong with being gay, as far as I’m concerned, if that’s the way you were born and you keep your sexuality in the private sphere, like the rest of us, but now that we all know thar Mr XYZ feels attracted to “tucked” crossdressers I wonder if he even realizes how much his confession must have put off some of his regular interlocutors.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Mikel

    Xeros are not just ultralight but barefoot - and perhaps I overstated the case to Dmitry about how trending they are :)

    In truth I cannot recommend them, at least not without reservation. On one level they are the lightest and most comfortable shoes I've ever worn, with incredible ground feel, and I really wanted them to work out, but the soles are simply too thin for me and after about 10-15 miles my feet are literally killing me, I am walking through pain, and I'm limping for a few hours after.

    It's supposed to take months for your feet to acclimatize, but it's been over a year and I haven't really, so I've switched back to more cushioned shoes like Altra's. Oh well.

    But there are people who hike the AT literally barefoot, so YMMV.

    It's unfortunate that everything is so politicized these days and aggressive radical agendas are being pushed on unwilling people. I think conservatives are pushing back though as the recent Budweiser fiasco is showing.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    , @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    >cap

    Sorry, can't relate.

    Also, why are military boots so stiff for the field then?

    GOAL - x1 General Purpose boot, good enough for street, good on rucks.
    -10C to +25C operating range -5 to +20 comfort.
    Max 1ft of Snow, Swamp/Forest, low lying hills <3km.

    Current boots -



    American
    Danner Tanicus - 650g pair Size 14 Paid $180
    Worn out & basically a running shoe with ankle mesh to meet regs.
    Little energy return on a ruck so not good outside General Task/Garrison.
    Have shoveled 1ft snow with it in -10C & a single pair wool socks.
     


    German
    Lowa Z8 Black - 750g pair Paid Free
    Nice suede, weird heel shape & hard to double sock or use insoles
    Average on rucks, can sprint pretty well, but bad insole
    Will keep for formals - don't like for extended use
     


    British - Last bootmaker in Country
    Altberg Defender - 800g Pair Paid $100
    Full Brown Leather & Polishable
    Looks good, but sweaty above 10C
    Issued to Brit Forces
    Go to winter boot, but stiff leather below freezing
    Only light rucks for this reason <35lb
     
    Looking to get:


    Italian
    Garmont T8 Bifida 8-900g pair? (size 8 weight given as 650 vs 400 for Danner)
    Finally in stock
    Metal Eyelets, Stiff Vibram Sole, Big Lugs
    Mesh

     

    Hoping the Garmont are energetic, wide enough for 2 socks/insole & cool above 10C.
    I can't do non-mesh above 10C in wool anymore.


    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1115303685346578443/image.png

    Current main boot:
    https://fundytactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/55316-1.jpg

    Next & would've gotten before if available in Canada:
    https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-q9ptxvukwz/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/2746/109727/garmont-t8-bifida-tactical-boot-t8__32865.1597353008.jpg

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mikel

  236. @Greasy William
    Okay, first of all, how is the Ukrainian offensive going? We are getting very mixed reports from the front.

    ...

    what do you guys think about this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AwsR1iqsuE

    Now, full disclosure: I really, really, really dislike stand up comedy as a medium. But I have definitely seen stand up that I found funny, even if I didn't really enjoy it.

    But this is just, like, it's unreal how bad it is. And he is supposedly like the premier Zoomer comedian.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Now, full disclosure: I really, really, really dislike stand up comedy as a medium. But I have definitely seen stand up that I found funny, even if I didn’t really enjoy it.

    I feel the same way.

    And you’re not wrong about this dude. That was painfully unfunny.

    I’m more disappointed by the audience though. Is it possible they’re plants? If they’re sincerely keeling over with laughter, God help us.

    It’s also interesting to see how far good looks can take a guy.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @silviosilver


    I’m more disappointed by the audience though. Is it possible they’re plants?
     
    I'm wondering the same thing, but more for his crowd work clips. He did have one crowd work line that was pretty funny, this girl shouts, "you can be my daddy" and he responds, "why, so I can abandon you too?". And I'm thinking, either that was some really quick thinking or she's a plant.

    It’s also interesting to see how far good looks can take a guy.
     
    See, I don't think he's that good looking. He's too fem for my taste. These Zoomer girls really like more feminine looking guys for some reason. I like guys who look like Gregory Peck.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  237. @silviosilver
    @Mr. XYZ

    I didn't know that. Obviously it's not impossible that someone might learn Hebrew. Learning the ancient tongue was once common among intellectuals. Nowadays there is less interest in modern Hebrew, but I'm sure some non-Jews get interested enough to learn it. But generally, when someone can speak Hebrew (and has a pro-Israel opinion), it's fairly safe assumption he's Jewish.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Open Israel’s doors to more gentile* immigration, and you’ll have more gentiles* speaking Hebrew.

    *I mean actual gentiles, not people who are only technical gentiles due to them having the “wrong” Jewish parent or grandparent.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Mr. XYZ

    Actually, that's something the desperate secular establishment might try, as a last gasp attempt to save the kind of country they thought they had. Maybe require a token "conversion" to sweeten the deal for voters. Presumably it'd be highly selective immigration, not some come one, come all farce, which is a straight ticket to negrofuxxation. I'm sure it would face heated opposition though.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  238. @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    He’s told us several times that he’s got a Jewish great-grandfather.
     
    Yeah okay, I couldn't remember whether it was a grandfather or great-grandfather. That by itself doesn't tell you much. Someone with a Jewish father might decide he's not Jewish at all, someone else with a Jewish granddad might go all in on Jewish identity.

    but I’ve never understood why people here insinuate he’s some kind of stereotypical Jewish subversive, comes across as paranoid tbh.
     
    If that was aimed at me, I wasn't suggesting anything like that nor do I think my interactions with him have been characterized by such an assumption. I do recall asking him point blank whether he called himself Jewish when he visited Israel, which he declined to answer. He's so keen to talk about everything Israel I thought it was weird to dodge that question.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    someone else with a Jewish granddad might go all in on Jewish identity.

    Yep, that’s me! Albeit not enough for me to actually attend a synagogue–yet, at least!

  239. @Derer
    @Mr. XYZ

    The actual data of every poll is kept secret and not audited by a neural body. For a simple reason, it is concocted and fake. That is why election polls are usually wrong (a la Kilary is ahead of Trump).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Neural or neutral?

    Anyway, polls are generally correct. The Trump general election polls were an exception to the general rule.

  240. @AaronB
    @AaronB

    I am afraid, Dmitry, that you have a negative world view, which makes you legitimately fit in on this forum :)

    It's an illogical world view, but insofar as it utilizes the master-metaphor of modernity - world as mechanical device - it shines a light onto the irrationality of our times and it's unforced and chosen nihilism.

    But now I must to bed and sweet sleep, and what dreams may come.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    From the previous OT, with respect to the precautionary principle

    Inculcating fatalism will not affect human flourishing? Creating racial hierarchies that are false won’t create injustice? Eliminating personal agency won’t t negatively impact society?

    Hereditarianism isn’t fatalistic, it’s probabilistic. Take someone with a predisposition to be violent. He isn’t violent every minute of every day. There is simply some probability above the average that he will react violently in a given context. His predisposition is a random variable, which means even he won’t react violently in the same context every time. For someone with a very violent predisposition, the probability is much higher than average.

    What injustice? Hereditarianism is simply the best explanation – or at least a very good supplemental explanation – for why groups differ in mean outcomes. The real injustice is the “white racism” (non-) explanation, which holds whites guilty for crimes they’re innocent of. Your denialism is complicit in perpetuating this injustice.

    There is also another injustice to consider, which is insisting that people can be better than they actually can, and issuing angry denunciations when they fail to live up to your unrealistic expectations. What is the point of trying to drum algebra into people when they’re still struggling with basic arithmetic, an activity which is already at the point of overloading their brains? And then pointing fingers left and right at falsely identified culprits (teachers, schools, parents, the students themselves). This is a straight recipe for unhappiness.

    Lastly, hereditarianism doesn’t eliminate personal agency. Under hereditarianism people are as free to set and pursue goals and values as they ever were. We can to a degree predict how successful their efforts are likely to be, but it’s not such a precise science that we can speak in absolutes. And fortunately, most fulfilment in life doesn’t come from being “the best” at something, but from simply being better than you were before – better at speaking French, better at playing the piano, better at raising your kids, better at cultivating friendships, better at painting, or whatever. It’s an oversimplification, but Tony Robbins’ refrain “progress equals happiness” gets it mostly right (for normal people, maybe not for world-rejecting spiritualists like you).

    But there is an even greater danger, and the one that most concerns me – heteditarianism suggests that performance isn’t to a significant extent a function of values, principles, and ideals, which may differ among individuals and societies, but rather assumes we all want to conquer the world and only ability constrains us.

    Hereditarianism says that whatever goals or values people aim for, the likelihood of realizing them will be affected by hereditary factors.

    In short it eliminates the spiritual perspective entirely.

    In short, it does not.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @silviosilver

    Jewish individualism stems from the fact that nobody hates Jews more than Jews.

  241. @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver

    Open Israel's doors to more gentile* immigration, and you'll have more gentiles* speaking Hebrew.

    *I mean actual gentiles, not people who are only technical gentiles due to them having the "wrong" Jewish parent or grandparent.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Actually, that’s something the desperate secular establishment might try, as a last gasp attempt to save the kind of country they thought they had. Maybe require a token “conversion” to sweeten the deal for voters. Presumably it’d be highly selective immigration, not some come one, come all farce, which is a straight ticket to negrofuxxation. I’m sure it would face heated opposition though.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver

    That would actually be a smart move on Israel's part. Recruit smart, talented, and highly skilled non-Jewish immigrants, at least if they agree to convert to Judaism beforehand. There could be concerns that these conversions could be insincere but it's unclear that this would be a huge problem. If too many fraudulent cases will appear, then Israel's government might have to reverse course on this.

    The challenge is getting Israeli Jews to agree that they should proselytize to smart, talented, and highly skilled gentiles. Not anything involving coercion, of course, but simply teaching them more about Judaism and telling them that they can move to Israel if they will agree to convert to Judaism, as well as telling them the benefits of moving to Israel.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  242. @silviosilver
    @Mr. XYZ

    Actually, that's something the desperate secular establishment might try, as a last gasp attempt to save the kind of country they thought they had. Maybe require a token "conversion" to sweeten the deal for voters. Presumably it'd be highly selective immigration, not some come one, come all farce, which is a straight ticket to negrofuxxation. I'm sure it would face heated opposition though.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    That would actually be a smart move on Israel’s part. Recruit smart, talented, and highly skilled non-Jewish immigrants, at least if they agree to convert to Judaism beforehand. There could be concerns that these conversions could be insincere but it’s unclear that this would be a huge problem. If too many fraudulent cases will appear, then Israel’s government might have to reverse course on this.

    The challenge is getting Israeli Jews to agree that they should proselytize to smart, talented, and highly skilled gentiles. Not anything involving coercion, of course, but simply teaching them more about Judaism and telling them that they can move to Israel if they will agree to convert to Judaism, as well as telling them the benefits of moving to Israel.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    That would actually be a smart move on Israel’s part. Recruit smart, talented, and highly skilled non-Jewish immigrants, at least if they agree to convert to Judaism beforehand.

    Convert to Judaism???? It isn't like joining the Rotary club.

    It's a huge pain to convert if you aren't born into it. They don't want Christians converting unless you really, really want to marry a Jewish girl. They pretty much have a feats of strength challenge setup to earn that ass. But it's mostly memorizing. No one is going to do it for business reasons.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

  243. @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    He’s told us several times that he’s got a Jewish great-grandfather.
     
    Yeah okay, I couldn't remember whether it was a grandfather or great-grandfather. That by itself doesn't tell you much. Someone with a Jewish father might decide he's not Jewish at all, someone else with a Jewish granddad might go all in on Jewish identity.

    but I’ve never understood why people here insinuate he’s some kind of stereotypical Jewish subversive, comes across as paranoid tbh.
     
    If that was aimed at me, I wasn't suggesting anything like that nor do I think my interactions with him have been characterized by such an assumption. I do recall asking him point blank whether he called himself Jewish when he visited Israel, which he declined to answer. He's so keen to talk about everything Israel I thought it was weird to dodge that question.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    I wrote this comment about ten times, apologize to people bored of re-reading it. From Israel’s categorization, I have “Jewish roots to the third generation” – grandfather who had a Jewish mother.

    As for if I can say to someone I am Jewish? The answer is no, as my mother is not Jewish because not her mother because not her mother etc. It would be like saying you’re a doctor, when you are not a doctor i.e. fraud.

    As for if I can say I have Jewish roots? I think it’s not misleading or boasting to say that. I have documented roots. But it’s not my main roots, so it’s a minority of my roots, but it is at least documented roots.

    As for Israel, legally, they give “Jewish roots to third generation people” right for citizenship, also for citizenship future wife and children of the “Jewish roots third generation people” before they are 18. Although external passport is more complicated.

    If I can write about Israel in internet forums? I don’t have knowledge of the locals. I don’t think anyone will confuse me with an expert. But I lived a few months there total, I have a few friends still there now, learn some language, enjoy some of the Israeli television etc. My comments, hopefully therefore could be more accurate than if I write about politics of Myanmar or Uganda and perhaps are not completely touristical, only a little.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Dmitry


    As for if I can say to someone I am Jewish? The answer is no, as my mother is not Jewish because not her mother because not her mother etc. It would be like saying you’re a doctor, when you are not a doctor i.e. fraud.
     
    Oh please, fraud schmaud. There are people who undergo completely insincere sham conversions for the purpose of marriage who call themselves Jewish. You can't possibly be unaware of this.

    But anyway, I'm going to assume some responsibility here because I accused you of being cagey about how Jewish you "are," when I should have said about how Jewish you "feel" or "identify as," because that's what I'm more interested in.

    How hard is it to answer, "Yeah while I was in Israel I said I'm Jewish" or "Nah, while I was in Israel I didn't say I was Jewish"? It's not as if I would really care either way. I was just interested in how you see yourself. So when you don't answer, well sorry, it feels like this is a sensitive question for you or even that you're trying to conceal something. But whatever, I'll drop it now and I won't mention it again.
  244. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    He’s told us several times that he’s got a Jewish great-grandfather. I suppose it’s a factor in his philosemitism (or rather enthusiasm for Israel, though it’s more of the touristy kind than anything genuinely Zionist), but I’ve never understood why people here insinuate he’s some kind of stereotypical Jewish subversive, comes across as paranoid tbh.
     
    Is Dmitry an Israeli citizen? Because if he would have immigrated to Israel other with his quarter-Jewish parent (his other parent can also come to Israel as well if the two of them are still married), then he could have acquired Israeli citizenship, I think. It's still not too late for him to do this, hopefully.

    Replies: @Yahya

    Is Dmitry an Israeli citizen? Because if he would have immigrated to Israel other with his quarter-Jewish parent (his other parent can also come to Israel as well if the two of them are still married), then he could have acquired Israeli citizenship, I think. It’s still not too late for him to do this, hopefully.

    I believe Dmitry already is an Israeli citizen.

    Demonstrates the ridiculousness of Israeli citizenship laws tbh.

    If his only Jewish ancestor is a great-grandparent, then he is less than 7% Middle Eastern by ancestry.

    Yet gets to acquire citizenship and have right to residence in Israel.

    Meanwhile Palestinians are barred from visiting the land of their grandparents.

    Because apparently Palestinians come from Arabia and aren’t really native to the area.

    But Dmitry and other Russians with 7% Levantine ancestry are.

    LMAO.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya

    The argument against a Palestinian right of return is that Palestinians could subsequently end up persecuting Israeli Jews once they will acquire power for themselves. Even a power-sharing agreement isn't guaranteed to permanently survive since there could be a military coup or something by the Palestinians later on.

    I do agree with you that, morally speaking, the Palestinians should get a right of return to their ancestral homeland. (I'd say the same thing for the descendants of post-WWII expelled Germans, though it's made easier now due to the EU, I suspect.) It's just the question of how to square this with the risk of renewed Jewish persecution--not necessarily immediately, but eventually. And giving Palestinians permanent residence rights in Israel but not citizenship, voting rights, or social safety net access would just create a hereditary caste system that the Palestinians would not be willing to tolerate over the long-run and is thus likely to result in huge social unrest and possibly in a giant Palestinian terrorism wave (or more than one) in Israel sooner or later.

    Replies: @A123

  245. @AP
    Both sides are blaming the other for the destruction of the dam. Ukraine claims it didn't have the weapons to do it: only planted explosives could have blown it up. But who knows? Each side benefits in different ways: the Left Bank (controlled by Russia) will be much more heavily flooded than the Right Bank (controlled by Ukraine) so Russians positions will be more heavily damaged. The destruction also eliminates a major source of fresh water for Crimea, and it will take a decade or more to fix it (though if Russia is thinking that it will lose Crimea this becomes a Ukrainian problem, not a Russian one).

    On the other hand, this will make crossing the Dnipro much harder for Ukrainian forces so Russia will have a smaller front to defend. From this perspective, Russia benefits.

    Hopefully there will not be a catastrophe at the nuclear plant. I wrote back in August:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-194/#comment-5503467

    "If the plant blows up while Ukraine is collapsing, at a time when the fallout travels eastward and ruins Donbas, Rostov and a lot of southern Russia, Ukraine probably did it.

    And if the plant blows up while Russia is losing and exiting Ukraine, and at a time when the wind is blowing westward for a few days, Russia probably did it."

    Hopefully neither sides fucks that up.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Just, hopefully not like similar destructions of dams in 1941.

    This is a maybe controversial estimate – “The flooding surge killed 20,000 to over 100,000 unsuspecting civilians, as well as Red Army officers who were crossing over the river”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnieper_Hydroelectric_Station#World_War_II_and_post-war_reconstruction

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry

    There will be conspiracy theories but it’s likely that this was either a Russian mistake like Chernobyl (Russians were playing with water levels on the already-damaged dam before it burst, they may have tried a limited destruction in order to flood out Ukrainians who had just taken positions on islands in the Dnipro) or deliberate scorched-Earth tactics (in addition to making it harder for Ukrainians to cross the Dnipro, irrigation to the area Ukraine is about to try to take will be gone, NPP will be gone, and Crimea will lose much of its fresh water).



    This sequence suggests a Russian fuck-up:

    https://twitter.com/volodyatretyak/status/1666015265971118082?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1665974996311605250?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @A123

  246. @Dmitry
    @silviosilver

    I wrote this comment about ten times, apologize to people bored of re-reading it. From Israel's categorization, I have "Jewish roots to the third generation" - grandfather who had a Jewish mother.

    As for if I can say to someone I am Jewish? The answer is no, as my mother is not Jewish because not her mother because not her mother etc. It would be like saying you're a doctor, when you are not a doctor i.e. fraud.

    As for if I can say I have Jewish roots? I think it's not misleading or boasting to say that. I have documented roots. But it's not my main roots, so it's a minority of my roots, but it is at least documented roots.

    As for Israel, legally, they give "Jewish roots to third generation people" right for citizenship, also for citizenship future wife and children of the "Jewish roots third generation people" before they are 18. Although external passport is more complicated.

    If I can write about Israel in internet forums? I don't have knowledge of the locals. I don't think anyone will confuse me with an expert. But I lived a few months there total, I have a few friends still there now, learn some language, enjoy some of the Israeli television etc. My comments, hopefully therefore could be more accurate than if I write about politics of Myanmar or Uganda and perhaps are not completely touristical, only a little.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    As for if I can say to someone I am Jewish? The answer is no, as my mother is not Jewish because not her mother because not her mother etc. It would be like saying you’re a doctor, when you are not a doctor i.e. fraud.

    Oh please, fraud schmaud. There are people who undergo completely insincere sham conversions for the purpose of marriage who call themselves Jewish. You can’t possibly be unaware of this.

    But anyway, I’m going to assume some responsibility here because I accused you of being cagey about how Jewish you “are,” when I should have said about how Jewish you “feel” or “identify as,” because that’s what I’m more interested in.

    How hard is it to answer, “Yeah while I was in Israel I said I’m Jewish” or “Nah, while I was in Israel I didn’t say I was Jewish”? It’s not as if I would really care either way. I was just interested in how you see yourself. So when you don’t answer, well sorry, it feels like this is a sensitive question for you or even that you’re trying to conceal something. But whatever, I’ll drop it now and I won’t mention it again.

  247. @AaronB
    @Coconuts


    According to Schmitt it becomes political when you identify someone who holds views you disagree with as a member of an opposing group, someone who needs to be dominated or neutralised
     
    This isn't unique to liberals - all factions try and do this, when they're in power, and dream about doing it when they're not. When the Right was dominant it did ths, and dreams about doing it now.

    The only true alternative to politics is religion - authentic religion. Even what we call the Left is ultimately a version of Right wing power seeking.

    I think it’s true about Jesus, he is never portrayed as making political arguments in the Schmitt sense
     
    Yep, it's true. And the Buddha, Lao Tzu, too. It's because the only way out of power politics is authentic religion.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    This isn’t unique to liberals – all factions try and do this, when they’re in power, and dream about doing it when they’re not.

    As I said Schmitt is trying to define the political as such, so if his definition is correct both right and left will do this when they are engaging in politics. Whenever there is disagreement in a political community about how to allocate scarce resources and opposing groups form in support of different options, or there are disagreements about two or more conflicting lines of policy the friend/enemy distinction can arise. It obviously varies in intensity, with mild opposition as you used to see in political debates where I am in the 2000s, to war at the other extreme.

    I didn’t mention liberals specifically, I was maybe talking about followers of liberal in the first paragraph, Woke tend to be suspicious of or reject liberal political norms. Politicising activities outside of a formal public sphere is more like the opposite of liberalism. Imo the right have been committed to liberalism for some time, they might try and politicise some things in the private sphere (e.g around sex, abortion) but in the UK haven’t had much success since the 1980s. I suppose 1945 would be when the right’s last attempt to politicise all of social life ended.

    I am actually surprised the woke managed to do it as I assumed liberal attitudes had become so strong that it wouldn’t be possible (like the way the woke introduced political factions into hobby activities like knitting and collecting model soldiers after 2020).

    Religion might reduce division over distribution of resources by making people less materially focused and more empathetic, as well as providing strong norms that everyone in a community accepts. Otoh real world religions, other than some syncretic universal ones, can provoke friend/enemy divisions due to being vehicles for different visions of the Good or identifying conflicting sources of authority.

    I think Jesus considered as Christ, God, isn’t political because he has infinite being, needs no resources, is perfect unity itself (so can’t split into factions) and possesses perfect knowledge. There is no scope for the political, as Schmitt defines it, in him.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Coconuts

    Interesting.

    The realm of duality is politics, of non-dualism religion.

    Yes, religion can become just another vehicle for politics, and generally always has, but this kind of institutional religion is a tool of rulership and social control, and not authentic.

    That's why I said only "authentic" religion can lift one out of politics.


    I think Jesus considered as Christ, God, isn’t political because he has infinite being, needs no resources, is perfect unity itself (so can’t split into factions) and possesses perfect knowledge. There is no scope for the political, as Schmitt defines it, in him
     
    .

    Very well said.

    Mankind needs such a vision of ultimate being even if we spend our lives stuck in our petty sublunary squabbles - but to occasionally, even regularly, lift ones gaze to a realm beyond all that is essential.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Coconuts


    I think Jesus considered as Christ, God, isn’t political because he has infinite being, needs no resources, is perfect unity itself (so can’t split into factions) and possesses perfect knowledge. There is no scope for the political, as Schmitt defines it, in him.
     
    Even when Christ fraternized with the gentiles, and even healed some of them, I think that some viewed him as being political. But he was very clear about his role within the earthly system and in the one to come:

    Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's” (Matthew 22:21 NASB).
     

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  248. @Mr. XYZ
    TBH, the more that I think about it, the more that I'm baffled by Anatoly Crimeus Karlin's logic:

    Did a strong Soviet Union (in control of not only Ukraine but also Eastern Europe) prevent McCarthyism? No, it didn't; rather, it was apparently stopped by the US Supreme Court:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

    Thus, why exactly would he think that a strong Russia (a Russia that would have successfully conquered Ukraine and subsequently crushed any insurgencies there) would prevent Western Rightoids from getting cancelled?

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    >Conservatives want to preserve the past
    >Past has Niggers

    Already see this happening.

  249. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Mikel
    @AaronB


    the new hot thing in bourgeois consumption is minimalist barefoot shoes for trail running, like Xeros
     
    Never heard of them. All trail running shoes must have a minimalist design though. My mid-low range $100 gore tex Under Armour shoes are also ultralight. When trail running all you want to have is some sole protection but you need full freedom of movements in your feet and ankles to avoid injuries. I use them all year round, both in the winter snow (with gaiters and thick socks) and in the scorching summer heat. I'll probably have to replace them soon so I'll check the Xeros models.

    Speaking of which, the other day I asked my wife, whose main hobby is shopping around, to buy me a new cap for running. After the ridiculous Dylan Mulvanney Nike ad, which was outright mockery of real women, I didn't feel like advertising that brand on my head when running so she bought me a new Adidas cap. Just a couple of weeks later I learned that Adidas had also released its own infamous "tuck-friendly" woman swimsuit for pervy exhibitionists. There's no escaping from the woke madness really. It should be tremendously easy for some GOP-affiliated group to maintain a list of woke promoting companies so that the half or two thirds of the population who don't align with those values can stop the madness with our pockets but they're just too distracted with their own anti-vax or 2nd ammendment obsessions to waste their time in the culture wars that they're losing so badly.

    Btw, nothing wrong with being gay, as far as I'm concerned, if that's the way you were born and you keep your sexuality in the private sphere, like the rest of us, but now that we all know thar Mr XYZ feels attracted to "tucked" crossdressers I wonder if he even realizes how much his confession must have put off some of his regular interlocutors.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Sher Singh

    Xeros are not just ultralight but barefoot – and perhaps I overstated the case to Dmitry about how trending they are 🙂

    In truth I cannot recommend them, at least not without reservation. On one level they are the lightest and most comfortable shoes I’ve ever worn, with incredible ground feel, and I really wanted them to work out, but the soles are simply too thin for me and after about 10-15 miles my feet are literally killing me, I am walking through pain, and I’m limping for a few hours after.

    It’s supposed to take months for your feet to acclimatize, but it’s been over a year and I haven’t really, so I’ve switched back to more cushioned shoes like Altra’s. Oh well.

    But there are people who hike the AT literally barefoot, so YMMV.

    It’s unfortunate that everything is so politicized these days and aggressive radical agendas are being pushed on unwilling people. I think conservatives are pushing back though as the recent Budweiser fiasco is showing.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    It took me three years to accustom myself to zero-rise enough to finally prefer it. Altra is definitely the gateway drug. The last time I tried to find New Balance Minimus I could not. Right now I run with Xero but only on a track. Running on trail is not something that I find to be fun.

    For hiking I use the Vivo barefoot more often than the Altra.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Mikel
    @AaronB


    I think conservatives are pushing back though as the recent Budweiser fiasco is showing.
     
    Yes, conservatives are pushing back by buying other beer brands of the same parent company lol.

    It's quite depressing actually. The Bud Light fiasco shows that many people are fed up with big execs of large corporations hating them and pushing woke values non-stop down their throats. They're definitely willing to punish those companies by buying somewhere else but all they can do is token gestures that lead nowhere. Their media and representatives don't stop congratulating them and reporting daily how much revenue Bud Light and Target have lost but they don't seem to care if all that money goes to equally woke corporations instead. It's too much effort to put up a list of non-woke companies where people could spend their money and really make a difference.

    Leftists are not like that at all. They are much better organized and have groups like ACLU, ADF, etc whose sole purpose is to maintain lists of individuals, companies and institutions that deviate from leftists dogmas. They are ruthless cancelling people, companies or whatever gets in their way.

    It's just a fact of life in Western societies that leftists are on average smarter (or perhaps I should say less dumb) than conservatives. People actually sense this and it's just easier for the masses to go along with the smarter people's message. Last Sunday there was a huge Pride parade in Salt Lake City. 16,000 participants in the parade and 30-40k people gathered around it in the middle of Red America. These are real figures, I've been to that parade twice to see what it's like and the crowds are huge. The Utah Pride website has a page with all the sponsors of their events and Walmart and Smiths (main competitors of Target here) are featured prominently. The SLC Police Department did not only protect the parade but actually took part in it with its own delegation of lgtbq officers. OK, this would be more difficult to imagine in more conservative districts of the state but everything will come in due time. Who would have imagined some years ago a huge parade of local drag queens and queers of all stripes marching in front of the great Mormon Temple?

    Anyway, I don't even know how much you relate to all of this being a New Yorker but don't worry too much if you finally decide to drive west draped in a BLM flag. You may get some strange looks but it's unlikely to go beyond that. It's not like me driving to Portland or Seattle with a big MAGA flag :-)

    Replies: @Greasy William

  250. @silviosilver
    @AaronB

    From the previous OT, with respect to the precautionary principle


    Inculcating fatalism will not affect human flourishing? Creating racial hierarchies that are false won’t create injustice? Eliminating personal agency won’t t negatively impact society?
     
    Hereditarianism isn't fatalistic, it's probabilistic. Take someone with a predisposition to be violent. He isn't violent every minute of every day. There is simply some probability above the average that he will react violently in a given context. His predisposition is a random variable, which means even he won't react violently in the same context every time. For someone with a very violent predisposition, the probability is much higher than average.

    What injustice? Hereditarianism is simply the best explanation - or at least a very good supplemental explanation - for why groups differ in mean outcomes. The real injustice is the "white racism" (non-) explanation, which holds whites guilty for crimes they're innocent of. Your denialism is complicit in perpetuating this injustice.

    There is also another injustice to consider, which is insisting that people can be better than they actually can, and issuing angry denunciations when they fail to live up to your unrealistic expectations. What is the point of trying to drum algebra into people when they're still struggling with basic arithmetic, an activity which is already at the point of overloading their brains? And then pointing fingers left and right at falsely identified culprits (teachers, schools, parents, the students themselves). This is a straight recipe for unhappiness.

    Lastly, hereditarianism doesn't eliminate personal agency. Under hereditarianism people are as free to set and pursue goals and values as they ever were. We can to a degree predict how successful their efforts are likely to be, but it's not such a precise science that we can speak in absolutes. And fortunately, most fulfilment in life doesn't come from being "the best" at something, but from simply being better than you were before - better at speaking French, better at playing the piano, better at raising your kids, better at cultivating friendships, better at painting, or whatever. It's an oversimplification, but Tony Robbins' refrain "progress equals happiness" gets it mostly right (for normal people, maybe not for world-rejecting spiritualists like you).

    But there is an even greater danger, and the one that most concerns me – heteditarianism suggests that performance isn’t to a significant extent a function of values, principles, and ideals, which may differ among individuals and societies, but rather assumes we all want to conquer the world and only ability constrains us.
     
    Hereditarianism says that whatever goals or values people aim for, the likelihood of realizing them will be affected by hereditary factors.

    In short it eliminates the spiritual perspective entirely.
     
    In short, it does not.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Jewish individualism stems from the fact that nobody hates Jews more than Jews.

  251. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @silviosilver
    @AaronB


    written in your charmingly elliptical and mildly opaque exotically foreign accent
     
    Hey, nicely put. I've been searching for the right words to describe it for quite some time and this is better (certainly gentler) than anything I've come up with.

    Therein lies your superiority, which places you on a level with the elites even if lacking their power.
     
    That's pretty good too.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Ah, thanks.

    Yeah I didn’t really know how to describe it, I just know half the time reading Dmitry I only half understand what he’s really getting at, but my system is sending off alarm bells that there is something really wrong with it and even sinister about it, but it’s all so amiable and avuncular and pleasantly foreign 🙂

    But I’m starting to get a clearer idea.

  252. AaronB [AKA "HeavilyMarbledSteak"] says:
    @Coconuts
    @AaronB


    This isn’t unique to liberals – all factions try and do this, when they’re in power, and dream about doing it when they’re not.
     
    As I said Schmitt is trying to define the political as such, so if his definition is correct both right and left will do this when they are engaging in politics. Whenever there is disagreement in a political community about how to allocate scarce resources and opposing groups form in support of different options, or there are disagreements about two or more conflicting lines of policy the friend/enemy distinction can arise. It obviously varies in intensity, with mild opposition as you used to see in political debates where I am in the 2000s, to war at the other extreme.

    I didn't mention liberals specifically, I was maybe talking about followers of liberal in the first paragraph, Woke tend to be suspicious of or reject liberal political norms. Politicising activities outside of a formal public sphere is more like the opposite of liberalism. Imo the right have been committed to liberalism for some time, they might try and politicise some things in the private sphere (e.g around sex, abortion) but in the UK haven't had much success since the 1980s. I suppose 1945 would be when the right's last attempt to politicise all of social life ended.

    I am actually surprised the woke managed to do it as I assumed liberal attitudes had become so strong that it wouldn't be possible (like the way the woke introduced political factions into hobby activities like knitting and collecting model soldiers after 2020).

    Religion might reduce division over distribution of resources by making people less materially focused and more empathetic, as well as providing strong norms that everyone in a community accepts. Otoh real world religions, other than some syncretic universal ones, can provoke friend/enemy divisions due to being vehicles for different visions of the Good or identifying conflicting sources of authority.

    I think Jesus considered as Christ, God, isn't political because he has infinite being, needs no resources, is perfect unity itself (so can't split into factions) and possesses perfect knowledge. There is no scope for the political, as Schmitt defines it, in him.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Mr. Hack

    Interesting.

    The realm of duality is politics, of non-dualism religion.

    Yes, religion can become just another vehicle for politics, and generally always has, but this kind of institutional religion is a tool of rulership and social control, and not authentic.

    That’s why I said only “authentic” religion can lift one out of politics.

    I think Jesus considered as Christ, God, isn’t political because he has infinite being, needs no resources, is perfect unity itself (so can’t split into factions) and possesses perfect knowledge. There is no scope for the political, as Schmitt defines it, in him

    .

    Very well said.

    Mankind needs such a vision of ultimate being even if we spend our lives stuck in our petty sublunary squabbles – but to occasionally, even regularly, lift ones gaze to a realm beyond all that is essential.

  253. Sher Singh says:
    @Mikel
    @AaronB


    the new hot thing in bourgeois consumption is minimalist barefoot shoes for trail running, like Xeros
     
    Never heard of them. All trail running shoes must have a minimalist design though. My mid-low range $100 gore tex Under Armour shoes are also ultralight. When trail running all you want to have is some sole protection but you need full freedom of movements in your feet and ankles to avoid injuries. I use them all year round, both in the winter snow (with gaiters and thick socks) and in the scorching summer heat. I'll probably have to replace them soon so I'll check the Xeros models.

    Speaking of which, the other day I asked my wife, whose main hobby is shopping around, to buy me a new cap for running. After the ridiculous Dylan Mulvanney Nike ad, which was outright mockery of real women, I didn't feel like advertising that brand on my head when running so she bought me a new Adidas cap. Just a couple of weeks later I learned that Adidas had also released its own infamous "tuck-friendly" woman swimsuit for pervy exhibitionists. There's no escaping from the woke madness really. It should be tremendously easy for some GOP-affiliated group to maintain a list of woke promoting companies so that the half or two thirds of the population who don't align with those values can stop the madness with our pockets but they're just too distracted with their own anti-vax or 2nd ammendment obsessions to waste their time in the culture wars that they're losing so badly.

    Btw, nothing wrong with being gay, as far as I'm concerned, if that's the way you were born and you keep your sexuality in the private sphere, like the rest of us, but now that we all know thar Mr XYZ feels attracted to "tucked" crossdressers I wonder if he even realizes how much his confession must have put off some of his regular interlocutors.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Sher Singh

    >cap

    Sorry, can’t relate.

    Also, why are military boots so stiff for the field then?

    GOAL – x1 General Purpose boot, good enough for street, good on rucks.
    -10C to +25C operating range -5 to +20 comfort.
    Max 1ft of Snow, Swamp/Forest, low lying hills <3km.

    Current boots –

    American
    Danner Tanicus – 650g pair Size 14 Paid $180
    Worn out & basically a running shoe with ankle mesh to meet regs.
    Little energy return on a ruck so not good outside General Task/Garrison.
    Have shoveled 1ft snow with it in -10C & a single pair wool socks.

    German
    Lowa Z8 Black – 750g pair Paid Free
    Nice suede, weird heel shape & hard to double sock or use insoles
    Average on rucks, can sprint pretty well, but bad insole
    Will keep for formals – don’t like for extended use

    British – Last bootmaker in Country
    Altberg Defender – 800g Pair Paid $100
    Full Brown Leather & Polishable
    Looks good, but sweaty above 10C
    Issued to Brit Forces
    Go to winter boot, but stiff leather below freezing
    Only light rucks for this reason <35lb

    Looking to get:

    Italian
    Garmont T8 Bifida 8-900g pair? (size 8 weight given as 650 vs 400 for Danner)
    Finally in stock
    Metal Eyelets, Stiff Vibram Sole, Big Lugs
    Mesh

    Hoping the Garmont are energetic, wide enough for 2 socks/insole & cool above 10C.
    I can’t do non-mesh above 10C in wool anymore.

    [MORE]

    Current main boot:

    Next & would’ve gotten before if available in Canada:

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    >cap

    Sorry, can’t relate.
     
    Hat, (baseball) cap, running cap.... what do you call them in Canada?

    Hat evokes a larger item to me. With no further qualifications it would possibly be understood to be a cowboy hat around here, though I think I've sometimes heard people talk about hats when referring to caps, not sure.

    Also, why are military boots so stiff for the field then?
     
    I guess they're optimized for foot an ankle protection, like hiking shoes, not for uphill running. If you do a lot of uphill running with no freedom of movement for the ankle you'll soon get tendinitis, as I found out years ago, when I was new to the trail running vogue.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  254. AP says:
    @Dmitry
    @AP

    Just, hopefully not like similar destructions of dams in 1941.

    This is a maybe controversial estimate - "The flooding surge killed 20,000 to over 100,000 unsuspecting civilians, as well as Red Army officers who were crossing over the river"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnieper_Hydroelectric_Station#World_War_II_and_post-war_reconstruction

    Replies: @AP

    There will be conspiracy theories but it’s likely that this was either a Russian mistake like Chernobyl (Russians were playing with water levels on the already-damaged dam before it burst, they may have tried a limited destruction in order to flood out Ukrainians who had just taken positions on islands in the Dnipro) or deliberate scorched-Earth tactics (in addition to making it harder for Ukrainians to cross the Dnipro, irrigation to the area Ukraine is about to try to take will be gone, NPP will be gone, and Crimea will lose much of its fresh water).

    [MORE]

    This sequence suggests a Russian fuck-up:

    • Replies: @A123
    @AP


    There will be conspiracy theories but it’s likely that this was either a Russian mistake like Chernobyl (Russians were playing with water levels on the already-damaged dam before it burst
     
    Were there flaws in the original in the 1950's design or construction? This is what ultimately underpinned the Oroville dam issue in the U.S. Were the Ukrainians performing proper maintenance on the Kakhovka dam over the years? There may have been weaknesses in the structure before it came under Russian control.

    Civilian water experts are unlikely to want to be on the front lines. Russian military engineering corps would know the basics, but this is over their normal maximum size. Operator error is quite possible. An objective analysis would be useful. However, chances of that happening are pretty slim.
    _____

    The Oroville Dam video above provides good background on dam issues, regular spill ways, and emergency overflows.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-220/#comment-5996205

    The number of things that can go wrong is larger than one might think. And, once an industrial accident is underway, sometimes it cannot be brought back.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack

  255. sorry babe cant rn, larping as mentally ill on the unz review

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Yevardian

    Based.

    Also, Russia falling apart

    https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/prigozhin-demands-200k-men-to-form

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    Is that a comment on the quality of this thread?
    If so, unfortunately pretty true.

    Replies: @songbird

  256. @Yevardian
    sorry babe cant rn, larping as mentally ill on the unz review

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @German_reader

    Based.

    Also, Russia falling apart

    https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/prigozhin-demands-200k-men-to-form

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sher Singh

    Well there goes the Larry C Johnson/MacGregor/Moon of Alabama theory that Bakhmut is an elaborate trap set by the Russians and that they are choosing to hold it as a strategy.

    It's almost as if failing to invade Kiev and then getting pushed back to Kherson wasn't a complex ruse after all.

    What else did Larry C Johnson say? Oh right that Prigozhin is acting and that he and Putin dreamed up the rift to trick the Ukrainians. I guess the best plan they could come up with was to have Prigozhin insult the Russian military command.

    Right.

    Replies: @QCIC

  257. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    sorry babe cant rn, larping as mentally ill on the unz review

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @German_reader

    Is that a comment on the quality of this thread?
    If so, unfortunately pretty true.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Have you ever thought of that cave in the Palatine Hill that supposedly nobody has been in for over thousand years? What could be in there?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupercal

    Replies: @German_reader, @S, @silviosilver

  258. @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver

    That would actually be a smart move on Israel's part. Recruit smart, talented, and highly skilled non-Jewish immigrants, at least if they agree to convert to Judaism beforehand. There could be concerns that these conversions could be insincere but it's unclear that this would be a huge problem. If too many fraudulent cases will appear, then Israel's government might have to reverse course on this.

    The challenge is getting Israeli Jews to agree that they should proselytize to smart, talented, and highly skilled gentiles. Not anything involving coercion, of course, but simply teaching them more about Judaism and telling them that they can move to Israel if they will agree to convert to Judaism, as well as telling them the benefits of moving to Israel.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    That would actually be a smart move on Israel’s part. Recruit smart, talented, and highly skilled non-Jewish immigrants, at least if they agree to convert to Judaism beforehand.

    Convert to Judaism???? It isn’t like joining the Rotary club.

    It’s a huge pain to convert if you aren’t born into it. They don’t want Christians converting unless you really, really want to marry a Jewish girl. They pretty much have a feats of strength challenge setup to earn that ass. But it’s mostly memorizing. No one is going to do it for business reasons.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @John Johnson


    It’s a huge pain to join if you aren’t born into it.
     
    Only if you go the orthodox route.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Generally they are happier if your kids get married to one then your fortune gets drained away. Like Trump or the Clintons.

    A rich or clever man’s son/daughter is often a target for assimilation.

    See Abraham, Jacob or even Joseph.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    It doesn't make much sense for a non-Jewish man to convert to Judaism to marry a Jewish woman since their kids are going to be Jewish in any case. Unless of course she insists on the conversion as a prerequisite for marriage.

  259. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    That would actually be a smart move on Israel’s part. Recruit smart, talented, and highly skilled non-Jewish immigrants, at least if they agree to convert to Judaism beforehand.

    Convert to Judaism???? It isn't like joining the Rotary club.

    It's a huge pain to convert if you aren't born into it. They don't want Christians converting unless you really, really want to marry a Jewish girl. They pretty much have a feats of strength challenge setup to earn that ass. But it's mostly memorizing. No one is going to do it for business reasons.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    It’s a huge pain to join if you aren’t born into it.

    Only if you go the orthodox route.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @silviosilver

    It’s a huge pain to join if you aren’t born into it.
     Only if you go the orthodox route.

    Uh no they have a minimal process for all potential Jews and it is intentionally laborious
    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-conversion-process/

    Unless you mean fake convert as in just show up as the new husband and act like you have always gone.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  260. @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    The talk about the UFO in USSR had culminated during the Perestroika, although it was often discussed before in a non official manner. During the final couple of years of the Soviet Union, there were so many UFO sightings that it seemed like it happened every week or at least every month in different parts of the country.
     
    If a person checks the nightly news logs of the big three US networks at the time, this was reported in the US too, and not in any mocking fashion. It was reported straight, in at least that the Russians themselves were reporting it as if these things were happening, or they believed they were actually happening.

    The two that got a lot of coverage in the US were the 1989 Voronezh park sightings, though the Wiki entry (not the best source, admittedly) doesn't make it out to be that impressive and kind of questionable...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh_UFO_incident

    And the alleged 1984 Salyut 7 Cosmonaut 'winged angel' sightings, which now doesn't even rate a Wiki entry, and no mention positive or negative, at all on the Wiki Salyut 7 entry, which is not a good sign as to the veracity of the reports.

    While I think there probably is extraterrestrial life, I'm less certain if they've actually visited the Earth, and am leery of the context of the present day promotion of the subject, as someone could fake the entire thing for their own cynical geo-political ends. [Yes, lie about it.]

    Anyone have any comments about the Voronezh and Salyut 7 alleged sightings?


    https://youtu.be/UVml9jDBfyk

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

    Anyone have any comments about the Voronezh and Salyut 7 alleged sightings?

    1. If you have seen one there isn’t anything alleged about it.
    2. If you use that word in your description the people who have seen a good one are less likely to tell you anything about it.

    An internet bulletin board is a tough environment for this subject. I will tell you a bit about my own experience. I have never seen one. Maybe unlike the vast majority of people who have never seen one, I have spent an enormous amount of my life keeping my eyes open for them. And still do.

    I also have never seen a leprechaun or a fairy but if I come across one you can bet I ain’t gonna be posting about it on the internet. : )

    marxists . org has a bunch of those Soviet Life issues on pdf available for download. Not the February 1968 edition that Dmitry posted images of which are not easy to read. If anybody knows where a friendlier format is I would be interested. I liked this one:

    https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/culture/soviet-life/1984/10.pdf

    The editors and writers place a high value on peace. Nobody knows why John Kennedy was murdered. There is some information that the motive was he wanted to partner with Russians on the moon mission.

    • Replies: @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    An internet bulletin board is a tough environment for this subject. I will tell you a bit about my own experience. I have never seen one. Maybe unlike the vast majority of people who have never seen one, I have spent an enormous amount of my life keeping my eyes open for them. And still do.
     
    I've never seen one, and have been in areas of the US where they were said to be occurring. I looked, too, but didn't see anything. And, I'm open to the possibility.

    About Soviet Life, I once had access to a Soviet journal made for Western consumption (ie in English) from about circa 1980. It may have been called Soviet Military Review though I've forgotten the exact name.

    One of the photo stories involved a Russian tank crew enjoying a lunch break while training out in the field. The back cover had a photo of what looked like a group of teenage Young Pioneers in white shirts with red scarves, visiting a Soviet naval vessel, IIRC. The back and front covers were slick stock and in color, while the rest of the magazine was in black and white, and of a lower grade paper.

    One thing which was noticeable was that quite a few of the black and white images looked to be a cross between a painting and an actual photograph, as airbrushing was used liberally, and they didn't really seem to particularly try and hide it.

    Of course, the Capitalist United States has had, and does have, it's propaganda too. :-)
    , @Dmitry
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Dmitry posted images of which are not easy to read.
     
    If you open the photo, it should be easier to read. You can zoom into the text.

    Zigal was a famous astronomer and professor in this epoch, so maybe he was not just creating propaganda, although I guess we don't know. There could be propaganda to cover experimental planes etc.

    -

    By the way, "Soviet Life" had often high quality articles.

    I guess, they were writing for educated people in the West. This is something about the Soviet external policy. They were trying to do marketing for educated people especially.
    There is a good article about the Urals region in 1967, I recommend . It's optimistic propaganda, but they don't want to waste the time of the readers and add a lot of data and information which is accurate, even a lot of information which relates to the region today.

    , @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    If you (or, anyone else) is not familiar with the 1970 British series UFO it's worth a watch. Besides offering it's own explanation for the 'alien abduction' phenomena, it's got well rounded storylines and pretty good special effects for the time.

    Below is a clip of excerpts from the first episode called 'Identity'. [Beneath 'More' is the entire episode.]


    'Have you ever thought about the victims of UFO incidents? Have you ever considered their parents, brothers, sisters? What do we tell them? They live in agony for years, praying that someday their loved ones may turn up, clinging to a thread of hope.'

    'You realize, of course, that they can never know the truth!'

    https://youtu.be/EpF6o2-nx4I



    https://youtu.be/sBBSKdp_QKo

    Replies: @S, @A123

  261. @Ivashka the fool
    @S


    And the alleged 1984 Salyut 7 Cosmonaut ‘winged angel’ sightings
     
    Comsat Angels ?

    https://youtu.be/L3otoz9ODOE

    🙂

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://youtu.be/cEfS98F89Ho

    Replies: @Yahya

  262. A123 says: • Website
    @AP
    @Dmitry

    There will be conspiracy theories but it’s likely that this was either a Russian mistake like Chernobyl (Russians were playing with water levels on the already-damaged dam before it burst, they may have tried a limited destruction in order to flood out Ukrainians who had just taken positions on islands in the Dnipro) or deliberate scorched-Earth tactics (in addition to making it harder for Ukrainians to cross the Dnipro, irrigation to the area Ukraine is about to try to take will be gone, NPP will be gone, and Crimea will lose much of its fresh water).



    This sequence suggests a Russian fuck-up:

    https://twitter.com/volodyatretyak/status/1666015265971118082?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1665974996311605250?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @A123

    There will be conspiracy theories but it’s likely that this was either a Russian mistake like Chernobyl (Russians were playing with water levels on the already-damaged dam before it burst

    Were there flaws in the original in the 1950’s design or construction? This is what ultimately underpinned the Oroville dam issue in the U.S. Were the Ukrainians performing proper maintenance on the Kakhovka dam over the years? There may have been weaknesses in the structure before it came under Russian control.

    Civilian water experts are unlikely to want to be on the front lines. Russian military engineering corps would know the basics, but this is over their normal maximum size. Operator error is quite possible. An objective analysis would be useful. However, chances of that happening are pretty slim.
    _____

    The Oroville Dam video above provides good background on dam issues, regular spill ways, and emergency overflows.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-220/#comment-5996205

    The number of things that can go wrong is larger than one might think. And, once an industrial accident is underway, sometimes it cannot be brought back.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    There you go again, playing the devil's advocate, unable to see what's directly in front of your nose.

    Well, at the very least you'll no longer need to stay up late worrying about Crimean water needs - there soon may not be any...

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Zelensky-Choice-cmyk-TASH_LARGE.jpg

    Why Crimea could be key in Ukraine winning the war:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-crimea-could-be-key-to-ukraine-winning-the-war/

  263. @Coconuts
    @AaronB


    This isn’t unique to liberals – all factions try and do this, when they’re in power, and dream about doing it when they’re not.
     
    As I said Schmitt is trying to define the political as such, so if his definition is correct both right and left will do this when they are engaging in politics. Whenever there is disagreement in a political community about how to allocate scarce resources and opposing groups form in support of different options, or there are disagreements about two or more conflicting lines of policy the friend/enemy distinction can arise. It obviously varies in intensity, with mild opposition as you used to see in political debates where I am in the 2000s, to war at the other extreme.

    I didn't mention liberals specifically, I was maybe talking about followers of liberal in the first paragraph, Woke tend to be suspicious of or reject liberal political norms. Politicising activities outside of a formal public sphere is more like the opposite of liberalism. Imo the right have been committed to liberalism for some time, they might try and politicise some things in the private sphere (e.g around sex, abortion) but in the UK haven't had much success since the 1980s. I suppose 1945 would be when the right's last attempt to politicise all of social life ended.

    I am actually surprised the woke managed to do it as I assumed liberal attitudes had become so strong that it wouldn't be possible (like the way the woke introduced political factions into hobby activities like knitting and collecting model soldiers after 2020).

    Religion might reduce division over distribution of resources by making people less materially focused and more empathetic, as well as providing strong norms that everyone in a community accepts. Otoh real world religions, other than some syncretic universal ones, can provoke friend/enemy divisions due to being vehicles for different visions of the Good or identifying conflicting sources of authority.

    I think Jesus considered as Christ, God, isn't political because he has infinite being, needs no resources, is perfect unity itself (so can't split into factions) and possesses perfect knowledge. There is no scope for the political, as Schmitt defines it, in him.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Mr. Hack

    I think Jesus considered as Christ, God, isn’t political because he has infinite being, needs no resources, is perfect unity itself (so can’t split into factions) and possesses perfect knowledge. There is no scope for the political, as Schmitt defines it, in him.

    Even when Christ fraternized with the gentiles, and even healed some of them, I think that some viewed him as being political. But he was very clear about his role within the earthly system and in the one to come:

    Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s” (Matthew 22:21 NASB).

    • Agree: Coconuts
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    The phrase or epigram if you like was Jesus being asked a Journalistic and therefore very Jewish question. One designed to discredit him with the following he had and the authorities who could quote him back. It was also a good joke reply.

    It’s one of these statements that suggest Jesus was a troll and probably even a fictional one.


    If you are a close observer of Jewish radicalism and ethnic supremacy how many advocate paying taxes to goyim? They like to collect. The Greek writer was using his tropes well here.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  264. @A123
    @AP


    There will be conspiracy theories but it’s likely that this was either a Russian mistake like Chernobyl (Russians were playing with water levels on the already-damaged dam before it burst
     
    Were there flaws in the original in the 1950's design or construction? This is what ultimately underpinned the Oroville dam issue in the U.S. Were the Ukrainians performing proper maintenance on the Kakhovka dam over the years? There may have been weaknesses in the structure before it came under Russian control.

    Civilian water experts are unlikely to want to be on the front lines. Russian military engineering corps would know the basics, but this is over their normal maximum size. Operator error is quite possible. An objective analysis would be useful. However, chances of that happening are pretty slim.
    _____

    The Oroville Dam video above provides good background on dam issues, regular spill ways, and emergency overflows.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-220/#comment-5996205

    The number of things that can go wrong is larger than one might think. And, once an industrial accident is underway, sometimes it cannot be brought back.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack

    There you go again, playing the devil’s advocate, unable to see what’s directly in front of your nose.

    Well, at the very least you’ll no longer need to stay up late worrying about Crimean water needs – there soon may not be any…

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    This is a classic issue since an interesting circumstantial case can be made that either side destroyed the dam. Either way, war is Hell. The world will be very lucky if this is not a minor footnote by the time this is over.

    I view this as a Ukrainian effort to raise visibility for the war and garner more NATO support. The entire Western-sponsored war is about creating destruction and scorched Earth. The goal is mostly to inflict this pain on Russia, but don't forget that for many of the evil Western blowhards behind this mess, Russians and Ukrainians are very similar. They view all of you guys as a bunch of dumb Slavs to be manipulated. The people pushing this at the top are mostly Jewish. The Western marriage with Kievan Slavs is mostly one of convenience, as with the NeoNazis.

    Replies: @A123

  265. @AaronB
    @Mikel

    Xeros are not just ultralight but barefoot - and perhaps I overstated the case to Dmitry about how trending they are :)

    In truth I cannot recommend them, at least not without reservation. On one level they are the lightest and most comfortable shoes I've ever worn, with incredible ground feel, and I really wanted them to work out, but the soles are simply too thin for me and after about 10-15 miles my feet are literally killing me, I am walking through pain, and I'm limping for a few hours after.

    It's supposed to take months for your feet to acclimatize, but it's been over a year and I haven't really, so I've switched back to more cushioned shoes like Altra's. Oh well.

    But there are people who hike the AT literally barefoot, so YMMV.

    It's unfortunate that everything is so politicized these days and aggressive radical agendas are being pushed on unwilling people. I think conservatives are pushing back though as the recent Budweiser fiasco is showing.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    It took me three years to accustom myself to zero-rise enough to finally prefer it. Altra is definitely the gateway drug. The last time I tried to find New Balance Minimus I could not. Right now I run with Xero but only on a track. Running on trail is not something that I find to be fun.

    For hiking I use the Vivo barefoot more often than the Altra.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Running on trail is not something that I find to be fun.
     
    Running in the wild is probably the most natural movement to the human body. It is what evolution designed us for, which is why you better let your feet and leg joints move freely. To me it goes well beyond the simple physical benefit of exercise and is part of my mental hygiene routine. My usual route actually goes cross-country most of the time, through game trails and meadows in sparsely forested slopes full of wild deer. But maybe it's just me. Most people here do prefer the concrete trail at the base of the slopes and some of them are clearly more fanatical than me in their running routines. I would just never be able to get the same sensations from running on a track or paved surface.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://www.newbalance.ca/en_ca/pd/fresh-foam-arishi-v4-gtx/MARISGV4-42238.html

    A pair a year.

  266. @silviosilver
    @John Johnson


    It’s a huge pain to join if you aren’t born into it.
     
    Only if you go the orthodox route.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    It’s a huge pain to join if you aren’t born into it.

    Only if you go the orthodox route.

    Uh no they have a minimal process for all potential Jews and it is intentionally laborious
    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-conversion-process/

    Unless you mean fake convert as in just show up as the new husband and act like you have always gone.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @John Johnson

    Oh I think I get it now. You are describing the fact that there are steps and standards at all as "a huge pain." I guess I see it differently.

  267. @A123
    @AP


    There will be conspiracy theories but it’s likely that this was either a Russian mistake like Chernobyl (Russians were playing with water levels on the already-damaged dam before it burst
     
    Were there flaws in the original in the 1950's design or construction? This is what ultimately underpinned the Oroville dam issue in the U.S. Were the Ukrainians performing proper maintenance on the Kakhovka dam over the years? There may have been weaknesses in the structure before it came under Russian control.

    Civilian water experts are unlikely to want to be on the front lines. Russian military engineering corps would know the basics, but this is over their normal maximum size. Operator error is quite possible. An objective analysis would be useful. However, chances of that happening are pretty slim.
    _____

    The Oroville Dam video above provides good background on dam issues, regular spill ways, and emergency overflows.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-220/#comment-5996205

    The number of things that can go wrong is larger than one might think. And, once an industrial accident is underway, sometimes it cannot be brought back.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack

  268. @Sher Singh
    @Yevardian

    Based.

    Also, Russia falling apart

    https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/prigozhin-demands-200k-men-to-form

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Well there goes the Larry C Johnson/MacGregor/Moon of Alabama theory that Bakhmut is an elaborate trap set by the Russians and that they are choosing to hold it as a strategy.

    It’s almost as if failing to invade Kiev and then getting pushed back to Kherson wasn’t a complex ruse after all.

    What else did Larry C Johnson say? Oh right that Prigozhin is acting and that he and Putin dreamed up the rift to trick the Ukrainians. I guess the best plan they could come up with was to have Prigozhin insult the Russian military command.

    Right.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    The list from Prigozhin's speech is great. I stand by my earlier estimate that his rhetoric blend is 1/3 true, 1/3 false and 1/3 third made up. He put a lot of heat on Shoigu.

    I think Russia will begin seriously going after 'fifth columnists' and probably institute martial law on the border. Is surprising if they did not have this already and might be another hint this is a fake war.

    In Ivashka's paradigm, is Prigozhin a Noviop for RusFed or is he pro-Russia?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  269. QCIC says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    There you go again, playing the devil's advocate, unable to see what's directly in front of your nose.

    Well, at the very least you'll no longer need to stay up late worrying about Crimean water needs - there soon may not be any...

    Replies: @QCIC

    This is a classic issue since an interesting circumstantial case can be made that either side destroyed the dam. Either way, war is Hell. The world will be very lucky if this is not a minor footnote by the time this is over.

    I view this as a Ukrainian effort to raise visibility for the war and garner more NATO support. The entire Western-sponsored war is about creating destruction and scorched Earth. The goal is mostly to inflict this pain on Russia, but don’t forget that for many of the evil Western blowhards behind this mess, Russians and Ukrainians are very similar. They view all of you guys as a bunch of dumb Slavs to be manipulated. The people pushing this at the top are mostly Jewish. The Western marriage with Kievan Slavs is mostly one of convenience, as with the NeoNazis.

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    This is a classic issue since an interesting circumstantial case can be made that either side destroyed the dam. Either way, war is Hell. The world will be very lucky if this is not a minor footnote by the time this is over.
     
    And, there is a good chance that neither side intentionally sabotaged the dam. No one wants to place the nuclear power station at risk by depriving it of cooling water. And, Russia needs to keep levels high enough to feed the Crimea canal.

    This has the hall marks of an industrial accident rather than an attack. The water level was maxed out and something failed.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

  270. I view this as a Ukrainian effort to raise visibility for the war and garner more NATO support.

    Ukraine would like Russia out of their country.

    The war started with Putin launching missiles at Kiev.

    The people pushing this at the top are mostly Jewish.

    Putin started the war and gave his reasons for doing so in a speech:
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/full-transcript-of-vladimir-putin-s-speech-announcing-a-special-military-operation-20220224-p59zhq.html

    Or did you forget about that already? An excerpt from that speech:

    At the same time, our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories. We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force.

    Launches missiles at civilian areas and then says he won’t do anything by force.

    This is the homicidal dwarf you continue to defend as part of some mad delusion that it is all caused by Jews. His Jewish commander is in fact about to defect due to the dictator’s incompetence.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Wait, you mean Prigozhin is a dual citizen? Shock.

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I'm not defending Russia, Putin or the war. I am explaining it in adult terms.

    Russian leaders have given a lot of speeches where they point out:

    1) The USA dropping out of the ABM treaty is an existential threat to Russia. The USA knows this, that was the point.

    2) Expansion of the anti-Russian NATO military alliance to the Russian border is an existential threat to Russia. NATO knows this, that is the point.

    3) Supporting an anti-Russia coup in a Russian sister-border country is an existential threat to Russia. The West knows this, that was the point.

    4) Russia will respond to these dire threats at a time and place of her choosing.

    The West believes Russia is weak and can be tamed while keeping the risk of nuclear war to a moderate level. The existence of the Status-6 and "Dead hand" systems suggest the Russian military takes this more seriously than our amateur Western statesmen believe.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Wokechoke, @John Johnson

  271. @John Johnson
    @silviosilver

    It’s a huge pain to join if you aren’t born into it.
     Only if you go the orthodox route.

    Uh no they have a minimal process for all potential Jews and it is intentionally laborious
    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-conversion-process/

    Unless you mean fake convert as in just show up as the new husband and act like you have always gone.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Oh I think I get it now. You are describing the fact that there are steps and standards at all as “a huge pain.” I guess I see it differently.

  272. @Mr. Hack
    @Coconuts


    I think Jesus considered as Christ, God, isn’t political because he has infinite being, needs no resources, is perfect unity itself (so can’t split into factions) and possesses perfect knowledge. There is no scope for the political, as Schmitt defines it, in him.
     
    Even when Christ fraternized with the gentiles, and even healed some of them, I think that some viewed him as being political. But he was very clear about his role within the earthly system and in the one to come:

    Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's” (Matthew 22:21 NASB).
     

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The phrase or epigram if you like was Jesus being asked a Journalistic and therefore very Jewish question. One designed to discredit him with the following he had and the authorities who could quote him back. It was also a good joke reply.

    It’s one of these statements that suggest Jesus was a troll and probably even a fictional one.

    If you are a close observer of Jewish radicalism and ethnic supremacy how many advocate paying taxes to goyim? They like to collect. The Greek writer was using his tropes well here.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    The only one that comes off as being a troll "and even a fictional one" is you "cokebloke". Give it a rest, you're becoming delusional with your anti-Jewish tropes here.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  273. @John Johnson
    I view this as a Ukrainian effort to raise visibility for the war and garner more NATO support.

    Ukraine would like Russia out of their country.

    The war started with Putin launching missiles at Kiev.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUw5Hc-YHyo

    The people pushing this at the top are mostly Jewish.

    Putin started the war and gave his reasons for doing so in a speech:
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/full-transcript-of-vladimir-putin-s-speech-announcing-a-special-military-operation-20220224-p59zhq.html

    Or did you forget about that already? An excerpt from that speech:

    At the same time, our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories. We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force.

    Launches missiles at civilian areas and then says he won't do anything by force.

    This is the homicidal dwarf you continue to defend as part of some mad delusion that it is all caused by Jews. His Jewish commander is in fact about to defect due to the dictator's incompetence.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    Wait, you mean Prigozhin is a dual citizen? Shock.

  274. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    The phrase or epigram if you like was Jesus being asked a Journalistic and therefore very Jewish question. One designed to discredit him with the following he had and the authorities who could quote him back. It was also a good joke reply.

    It’s one of these statements that suggest Jesus was a troll and probably even a fictional one.


    If you are a close observer of Jewish radicalism and ethnic supremacy how many advocate paying taxes to goyim? They like to collect. The Greek writer was using his tropes well here.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The only one that comes off as being a troll “and even a fictional one” is you “cokebloke”. Give it a rest, you’re becoming delusional with your anti-Jewish tropes here.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    The question he was asked is a journalist’s “gotcha”. Either you are good Jew who keeps it kosher or a good Roman Subject who licks boots of the Emperor. The answer so evasive that it becomes a literary punchline like something out of Aristophanes.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  275. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @Sher Singh

    Well there goes the Larry C Johnson/MacGregor/Moon of Alabama theory that Bakhmut is an elaborate trap set by the Russians and that they are choosing to hold it as a strategy.

    It's almost as if failing to invade Kiev and then getting pushed back to Kherson wasn't a complex ruse after all.

    What else did Larry C Johnson say? Oh right that Prigozhin is acting and that he and Putin dreamed up the rift to trick the Ukrainians. I guess the best plan they could come up with was to have Prigozhin insult the Russian military command.

    Right.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The list from Prigozhin’s speech is great. I stand by my earlier estimate that his rhetoric blend is 1/3 true, 1/3 false and 1/3 third made up. He put a lot of heat on Shoigu.

    I think Russia will begin seriously going after ‘fifth columnists’ and probably institute martial law on the border. Is surprising if they did not have this already and might be another hint this is a fake war.

    In Ivashka’s paradigm, is Prigozhin a Noviop for RusFed or is he pro-Russia?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    The list from Prigozhin’s speech is great. I stand by my earlier estimate that his rhetoric blend is 1/3 true, 1/3 false and 1/3 third made up. He put a lot of heat on Shoigu.

    Which would make it 33% more reliable than anything that comes out of the Kremlin.

    I don't trust the guy but I have never doubted that his frustration with the government is real. That was never fake and I completely understand.

    I think Russia will begin seriously going after ‘fifth columnists’ and probably institute martial law on the border. Is surprising if they did not have this already and might be another hint this is a fake war.

    Well according to the latest rumor they are keeping Putin from any bad news:
    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-russia-ukraine-bad-news-1804476

    He may not know that the border raids have been by anti-Putin Russians. He doesn't use the internet. There is no reason to assume that he will react at all.

    In Ivashka’s paradigm, is Prigozhin a Noviop for RusFed or is he pro-Russia?

    An amoral opportunist that is pro-Russian unless it leads to total humiliation.

    A materialistic scumbag but also their best general at the time. Very bizarre situation where a mafia chef with zero military experience builds a private army and yet understands the war better than his professionally trained peers. A Russian military training certificate will be the next ITT Tech or Trump college degree.

    Replies: @QCIC

  276. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    This is a classic issue since an interesting circumstantial case can be made that either side destroyed the dam. Either way, war is Hell. The world will be very lucky if this is not a minor footnote by the time this is over.

    I view this as a Ukrainian effort to raise visibility for the war and garner more NATO support. The entire Western-sponsored war is about creating destruction and scorched Earth. The goal is mostly to inflict this pain on Russia, but don't forget that for many of the evil Western blowhards behind this mess, Russians and Ukrainians are very similar. They view all of you guys as a bunch of dumb Slavs to be manipulated. The people pushing this at the top are mostly Jewish. The Western marriage with Kievan Slavs is mostly one of convenience, as with the NeoNazis.

    Replies: @A123

    This is a classic issue since an interesting circumstantial case can be made that either side destroyed the dam. Either way, war is Hell. The world will be very lucky if this is not a minor footnote by the time this is over.

    And, there is a good chance that neither side intentionally sabotaged the dam. No one wants to place the nuclear power station at risk by depriving it of cooling water. And, Russia needs to keep levels high enough to feed the Crimea canal.

    This has the hall marks of an industrial accident rather than an attack. The water level was maxed out and something failed.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    Ok, Dam Slugs.

    Some of these events have solid ambiguity.

    The reactors should have been shut down fully a year ago. How many are still operational? If they are operational it is another data point in the fake war outlook.

    Maybe the Russians will salvage/reclaim 50 miles of the NS pipelines and throw them in the Kerch straight to feed water over from Rostov.

    Replies: @A123

  277. @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    Is that a comment on the quality of this thread?
    If so, unfortunately pretty true.

    Replies: @songbird

    Have you ever thought of that cave in the Palatine Hill that supposedly nobody has been in for over thousand years? What could be in there?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupercal

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    No real idea tbh. I suppose some kind of altar or shrine? The Wikipedia article on Lupercalia mentions that Justin (2nd century AD) wrote about a cult statue there; I looked it up, not very detailed (In huius radicibus templum Lycaeo, quem Graeci Pana, Romani Lupercum appellant, constituit; ipsum dei simulacrum nudum caprina pelle amictum est, quo habitu nunc Romae Lupercalibus decurritur., so presumably mostly nude with goatskin around the loins). Would of course be interesting if they found it, though I'd be more excited about some texts being rediscovered.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @S
    @songbird


    Have you ever thought of that cave in the Palatine Hill that supposedly nobody has been in for over thousand years? What could be in there?
     
    That's an intriguing question. It'd be great if they locate it.

    I was recently reading about the Old St Peter's Basilica, which was ordered constructed by Constantine I and which stood for over a thousand years, ie between the 4th and 16th century. It's a shame they tore it down, but in a place where everything is figuratively an antique, they can't hold on to everything.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_St._Peter%27s_Basilica

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Affresco_dell%27aspetto_antico_della_basilica_costantiniana_di_san_pietro_nel_IV_secolo.jpg/800px-Affresco_dell%27aspetto_antico_della_basilica_costantiniana_di_san_pietro_nel_IV_secolo.jpg


    Happily, Rome still has these cool items, not to mention the Pantheon, a real gem. :-)


    The Fontana Della Pigna from 1st century AD. Yes, originally a fountain shaped like a pine cone.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontana_della_Pigna

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Cortile_della_Pigna_pine_cone_2.jpg/800px-Cortile_della_Pigna_pine_cone_2.jpg


    The 125 foot tall Pyramid of Cestius, a tomb, from about 12 BC.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Cestius

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Cimetière_anglais_de_Rome.jpg/800px-Cimetière_anglais_de_Rome.jpg
    , @silviosilver
    @songbird


    Have you ever thought of that cave in the Palatine Hill that supposedly nobody has been in for over thousand years? What could be in there?
     
    To go off on a tangent, talking about caves, that was the setting for the unofficial sequel to Alien - Alien 2: On Earth - which I didn't even know existed till I watched it yesterday. Unfortunately, it is utter, utter garbage. It's pretty rare that I see a movie in which I can't find something to appreciate, even if I hate the film overall, but this was one of them. If you only watched 10 minutes and got the sinking feeling that this isn't going anywhere, you'd be absolutely right.

    Replies: @songbird

  278. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    The only one that comes off as being a troll "and even a fictional one" is you "cokebloke". Give it a rest, you're becoming delusional with your anti-Jewish tropes here.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The question he was asked is a journalist’s “gotcha”. Either you are good Jew who keeps it kosher or a good Roman Subject who licks boots of the Emperor. The answer so evasive that it becomes a literary punchline like something out of Aristophanes.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    Evasive? Perhaps to a small mind! The natural eruditeness shown in Jesus supposed tough predicament (uh huh, they had him cornered) echoes down through the ages as an example of extreme wisdom. Would you have come up with a better answer?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Rubens_tribute_money.jpg/800px-Rubens_tribute_money.jpg
    Caesar's Coin, by Peter Paul Rubens (1612–1614)

  279. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    I view this as a Ukrainian effort to raise visibility for the war and garner more NATO support.

    Ukraine would like Russia out of their country.

    The war started with Putin launching missiles at Kiev.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUw5Hc-YHyo

    The people pushing this at the top are mostly Jewish.

    Putin started the war and gave his reasons for doing so in a speech:
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/full-transcript-of-vladimir-putin-s-speech-announcing-a-special-military-operation-20220224-p59zhq.html

    Or did you forget about that already? An excerpt from that speech:

    At the same time, our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories. We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force.

    Launches missiles at civilian areas and then says he won't do anything by force.

    This is the homicidal dwarf you continue to defend as part of some mad delusion that it is all caused by Jews. His Jewish commander is in fact about to defect due to the dictator's incompetence.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    I’m not defending Russia, Putin or the war. I am explaining it in adult terms.

    Russian leaders have given a lot of speeches where they point out:

    1) The USA dropping out of the ABM treaty is an existential threat to Russia. The USA knows this, that was the point.

    2) Expansion of the anti-Russian NATO military alliance to the Russian border is an existential threat to Russia. NATO knows this, that is the point.

    3) Supporting an anti-Russia coup in a Russian sister-border country is an existential threat to Russia. The West knows this, that was the point.

    4) Russia will respond to these dire threats at a time and place of her choosing.

    The West believes Russia is weak and can be tamed while keeping the risk of nuclear war to a moderate level. The existence of the Status-6 and “Dead hand” systems suggest the Russian military takes this more seriously than our amateur Western statesmen believe.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I’m not defending Russia, Putin or the war. I am explaining it in adult terms.

    No you are trying to rationalize the actions of a dictator. You have been doing that since this war started. Last year you were telling us that Putin was going after Nazis and now you use a different excuse.

    Many of Putin's bootlickers have dropped out and yet you remain. I guess you are vying for last rat standing.

    Russian leaders have given a lot of speeches where they point out:

    There only one person in charge of Russia.

    The USA dropping out of the ABM treaty is an existential threat to Russia. The USA knows this, that was the point.

    That was in 2002. What does that have to do with Russian's invasion of Ukraine?

    Expansion of the anti-Russian NATO military alliance to the Russian border is an existential threat to Russia. NATO knows this, that is the point.

    Admission of Ukraine was opposed by both France and Germany up until Putin's invasion. Do you deny this?

    Supporting an anti-Russia coup in a Russian sister-border country is an existential threat to Russia. The West knows this, that was the point.

    How is removing a corrupt president a coup? That president's own party disavowed him for being corrupt. Were they wrong? A pro-Russian party? Do explain in adult terms.

    I've also asked you many times if adopting strict neutrality would have kept them from being invaded. You don't respond because you know full well that Moldova was also scheduled for invasion and they had copied the constitutional neutrality of Switzerland.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Mikhail
    @QCIC

    Interacting with morons is problematical.

    , @Wokechoke
    @QCIC

    The assault in the Ukraine capital freaked out a lot of politicos.

    , @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Russian leaders have given a lot of speeches where they point out:

    Let's see a source on that. As with the other Putin defenders you rarely provide one. Here is Putin's original speech for the war:


    The USA dropping out of the ABM treaty is an existential threat to Russia. The USA knows this, that was the point.


    Putin hasn't mentioned a treaty from 20 years ago in any of his war speeches. That is your own personal theory.

    Here is the full text of his Feb 2022 speech:
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/full-text-putin-s-declaration-of-war-on-ukraine/

    No mention of the ABM.

    Expansion of the anti-Russian NATO military alliance to the Russian border is an existential threat to Russia. NATO knows this, that is the point.

    Explain this statement given that:
    1. The Baltics are already on the Russian border and yet they don't have nuclear weapons
    2. Ukraine did not qualify for NATO and did not have the votes of Germany and France before the invasion

    Supporting an anti-Russia coup in a Russian sister-border country is an existential threat to Russia. The West knows this, that was the point.

    Do explain how removing a corrupt president is a coup. Or are you denying that he was corrupt?

  280. QCIC says:
    @A123
    @QCIC


    This is a classic issue since an interesting circumstantial case can be made that either side destroyed the dam. Either way, war is Hell. The world will be very lucky if this is not a minor footnote by the time this is over.
     
    And, there is a good chance that neither side intentionally sabotaged the dam. No one wants to place the nuclear power station at risk by depriving it of cooling water. And, Russia needs to keep levels high enough to feed the Crimea canal.

    This has the hall marks of an industrial accident rather than an attack. The water level was maxed out and something failed.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    Ok, Dam Slugs.

    Some of these events have solid ambiguity.

    The reactors should have been shut down fully a year ago. How many are still operational? If they are operational it is another data point in the fake war outlook.

    Maybe the Russians will salvage/reclaim 50 miles of the NS pipelines and throw them in the Kerch straight to feed water over from Rostov.

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    The reactors should have been shut down fully a year ago. How many are still operational? If they are operational it is another data point in the fake war outlook.
     
    None of them are 'operational'. However, even with the control rods fully down they generate a significant amount of heat that needs dissipation. Water circulation is maintained by offsite power and backup diesel generators. There are also onsite 'spent fuel' pools that need water on a regular basis.

    The Chernobyl like risk is mostly gone. However, many days without power and water could damage the facility. I have not heard specific time frames, but ZPP is a much newer design with better passive safety features.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

  281. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S


    Anyone have any comments about the Voronezh and Salyut 7 alleged sightings?
     
    1. If you have seen one there isn't anything alleged about it.
    2. If you use that word in your description the people who have seen a good one are less likely to tell you anything about it.

    An internet bulletin board is a tough environment for this subject. I will tell you a bit about my own experience. I have never seen one. Maybe unlike the vast majority of people who have never seen one, I have spent an enormous amount of my life keeping my eyes open for them. And still do.

    I also have never seen a leprechaun or a fairy but if I come across one you can bet I ain't gonna be posting about it on the internet. : )

    marxists . org has a bunch of those Soviet Life issues on pdf available for download. Not the February 1968 edition that Dmitry posted images of which are not easy to read. If anybody knows where a friendlier format is I would be interested. I liked this one:

    https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/culture/soviet-life/1984/10.pdf

    The editors and writers place a high value on peace. Nobody knows why John Kennedy was murdered. There is some information that the motive was he wanted to partner with Russians on the moon mission.

    Replies: @S, @Dmitry, @S

    An internet bulletin board is a tough environment for this subject. I will tell you a bit about my own experience. I have never seen one. Maybe unlike the vast majority of people who have never seen one, I have spent an enormous amount of my life keeping my eyes open for them. And still do.

    I’ve never seen one, and have been in areas of the US where they were said to be occurring. I looked, too, but didn’t see anything. And, I’m open to the possibility.

    About Soviet Life, I once had access to a Soviet journal made for Western consumption (ie in English) from about circa 1980. It may have been called Soviet Military Review though I’ve forgotten the exact name.

    One of the photo stories involved a Russian tank crew enjoying a lunch break while training out in the field. The back cover had a photo of what looked like a group of teenage Young Pioneers in white shirts with red scarves, visiting a Soviet naval vessel, IIRC. The back and front covers were slick stock and in color, while the rest of the magazine was in black and white, and of a lower grade paper.

    One thing which was noticeable was that quite a few of the black and white images looked to be a cross between a painting and an actual photograph, as airbrushing was used liberally, and they didn’t really seem to particularly try and hide it.

    Of course, the Capitalist United States has had, and does have, it’s propaganda too. 🙂

  282. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    That whole region is a part of Poland's historic sphere of influence due to the PLC lol.

    Replies: @Old Brown Fool, @Derer, @Beckow

    So Poland has a ‘historic sphere of influence‘, so does little England, Turkey, maybe even Romania or Lithuania. But Russia? Absolutely not !!!! that’s imperialism!!!!

    And you expect to be taken seriously….:)

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    And you expect to be taken seriously….:)
     
    After his weird sex comments that's rather difficult anyway.
    , @Boethiuss
    @Beckow


    So Poland has a ‘historic sphere of influence‘, so does little England, Turkey, maybe even Romania or Lithuania. But Russia? Absolutely not !!!! that’s imperialism!!!!
     
    Russia has no sphere of influence. Or to be more precise, it is the middle of losing it.

    Spheres of influence are for strong or important countries, and Russia is the 98 lb weakling of this war.
  283. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    The list from Prigozhin's speech is great. I stand by my earlier estimate that his rhetoric blend is 1/3 true, 1/3 false and 1/3 third made up. He put a lot of heat on Shoigu.

    I think Russia will begin seriously going after 'fifth columnists' and probably institute martial law on the border. Is surprising if they did not have this already and might be another hint this is a fake war.

    In Ivashka's paradigm, is Prigozhin a Noviop for RusFed or is he pro-Russia?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The list from Prigozhin’s speech is great. I stand by my earlier estimate that his rhetoric blend is 1/3 true, 1/3 false and 1/3 third made up. He put a lot of heat on Shoigu.

    Which would make it 33% more reliable than anything that comes out of the Kremlin.

    I don’t trust the guy but I have never doubted that his frustration with the government is real. That was never fake and I completely understand.

    I think Russia will begin seriously going after ‘fifth columnists’ and probably institute martial law on the border. Is surprising if they did not have this already and might be another hint this is a fake war.

    Well according to the latest rumor they are keeping Putin from any bad news:
    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-russia-ukraine-bad-news-1804476

    He may not know that the border raids have been by anti-Putin Russians. He doesn’t use the internet. There is no reason to assume that he will react at all.

    In Ivashka’s paradigm, is Prigozhin a Noviop for RusFed or is he pro-Russia?

    An amoral opportunist that is pro-Russian unless it leads to total humiliation.

    A materialistic scumbag but also their best general at the time. Very bizarre situation where a mafia chef with zero military experience builds a private army and yet understands the war better than his professionally trained peers. A Russian military training certificate will be the next ITT Tech or Trump college degree.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Newsweek? What a comedienne you are!

    Speaking of training, I have always wondered how much Zelensky paid for his "law degree".

    Replies: @John Johnson

  284. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC
    @A123

    Ok, Dam Slugs.

    Some of these events have solid ambiguity.

    The reactors should have been shut down fully a year ago. How many are still operational? If they are operational it is another data point in the fake war outlook.

    Maybe the Russians will salvage/reclaim 50 miles of the NS pipelines and throw them in the Kerch straight to feed water over from Rostov.

    Replies: @A123

    The reactors should have been shut down fully a year ago. How many are still operational? If they are operational it is another data point in the fake war outlook.

    None of them are ‘operational’. However, even with the control rods fully down they generate a significant amount of heat that needs dissipation. Water circulation is maintained by offsite power and backup diesel generators. There are also onsite ‘spent fuel’ pools that need water on a regular basis.

    The Chernobyl like risk is mostly gone. However, many days without power and water could damage the facility. I have not heard specific time frames, but ZPP is a much newer design with better passive safety features.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    I'm aware of these details.

    What about the reactors in Western Ukraine? I would have shut these down as well.

  285. Kherson before and after.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Kherson before and after.

    Well that's another war crime.

    I'm sure Putin's bootlickers will tell us it was a false flag or we'll never know even though the timing is with the counter-offensive and the flooding makes it harder for the Ukrainians to move South.

    We at least now know that Bakhmut was not a master trap set by Putin. It is falling now that Wagner is leaving.

    Russia's dependency on conscripts is most likely worse than anyone realizes which means they are at risk of a rout. The last few POWs I have seen in videos look like village drunks. MacGregor tells us that Ukraine is down to old men and boys while the videos show Ukrainian men in their 20s and 30s capturing village drunks in mismatched camo.

    ALL GOING AS PLANNED

    PUTIN IS JUST PLAYING 5D CHESS

    ALL HAIL THE DWARF

    Replies: @QCIC

  286. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Have you ever thought of that cave in the Palatine Hill that supposedly nobody has been in for over thousand years? What could be in there?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupercal

    Replies: @German_reader, @S, @silviosilver

    No real idea tbh. I suppose some kind of altar or shrine? The Wikipedia article on Lupercalia mentions that Justin (2nd century AD) wrote about a cult statue there; I looked it up, not very detailed (In huius radicibus templum Lycaeo, quem Graeci Pana, Romani Lupercum appellant, constituit; ipsum dei simulacrum nudum caprina pelle amictum est, quo habitu nunc Romae Lupercalibus decurritur., so presumably mostly nude with goatskin around the loins). Would of course be interesting if they found it, though I’d be more excited about some texts being rediscovered.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Perhaps, an original history of Rome before it was sacked by the Celts, protected by some giant she-wolf demon, growling and pacing, and waiting to be let loose on the world?

    Some of these old sites are interesting, IMO. Trouble is across much of Europe the digs were antiquarian, and they tossed a lot of interesting things, like the bones.

    Replies: @German_reader

  287. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    So Poland has a 'historic sphere of influence', so does little England, Turkey, maybe even Romania or Lithuania. But Russia? Absolutely not !!!! that's imperialism!!!!

    And you expect to be taken seriously....:)

    Replies: @German_reader, @Boethiuss

    And you expect to be taken seriously….:)

    After his weird sex comments that’s rather difficult anyway.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  288. @silviosilver
    @Greasy William


    Now, full disclosure: I really, really, really dislike stand up comedy as a medium. But I have definitely seen stand up that I found funny, even if I didn’t really enjoy it.
     
    I feel the same way.

    And you're not wrong about this dude. That was painfully unfunny.

    I'm more disappointed by the audience though. Is it possible they're plants? If they're sincerely keeling over with laughter, God help us.

    It's also interesting to see how far good looks can take a guy.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I’m more disappointed by the audience though. Is it possible they’re plants?

    I’m wondering the same thing, but more for his crowd work clips. He did have one crowd work line that was pretty funny, this girl shouts, “you can be my daddy” and he responds, “why, so I can abandon you too?”. And I’m thinking, either that was some really quick thinking or she’s a plant.

    It’s also interesting to see how far good looks can take a guy.

    See, I don’t think he’s that good looking. He’s too fem for my taste. These Zoomer girls really like more feminine looking guys for some reason. I like guys who look like Gregory Peck.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Greasy William


    He did have one crowd work line that was pretty funny, this girl shouts, “you can be my daddy” and he responds, “why, so I can abandon you too?”. And I’m thinking, either that was some really quick thinking or she’s a plant.
     
    I didn't see that bit. That's pretty good if he thought of it on the fly. Even then though, it's not some super funny joke. If he is as popular as you say and this about his best, that's pretty sad.
  289. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I'm not defending Russia, Putin or the war. I am explaining it in adult terms.

    Russian leaders have given a lot of speeches where they point out:

    1) The USA dropping out of the ABM treaty is an existential threat to Russia. The USA knows this, that was the point.

    2) Expansion of the anti-Russian NATO military alliance to the Russian border is an existential threat to Russia. NATO knows this, that is the point.

    3) Supporting an anti-Russia coup in a Russian sister-border country is an existential threat to Russia. The West knows this, that was the point.

    4) Russia will respond to these dire threats at a time and place of her choosing.

    The West believes Russia is weak and can be tamed while keeping the risk of nuclear war to a moderate level. The existence of the Status-6 and "Dead hand" systems suggest the Russian military takes this more seriously than our amateur Western statesmen believe.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Wokechoke, @John Johnson

    I’m not defending Russia, Putin or the war. I am explaining it in adult terms.

    No you are trying to rationalize the actions of a dictator. You have been doing that since this war started. Last year you were telling us that Putin was going after Nazis and now you use a different excuse.

    Many of Putin’s bootlickers have dropped out and yet you remain. I guess you are vying for last rat standing.

    Russian leaders have given a lot of speeches where they point out:

    There only one person in charge of Russia.

    The USA dropping out of the ABM treaty is an existential threat to Russia. The USA knows this, that was the point.

    That was in 2002. What does that have to do with Russian’s invasion of Ukraine?

    Expansion of the anti-Russian NATO military alliance to the Russian border is an existential threat to Russia. NATO knows this, that is the point.

    Admission of Ukraine was opposed by both France and Germany up until Putin’s invasion. Do you deny this?

    Supporting an anti-Russia coup in a Russian sister-border country is an existential threat to Russia. The West knows this, that was the point.

    How is removing a corrupt president a coup? That president’s own party disavowed him for being corrupt. Were they wrong? A pro-Russian party? Do explain in adult terms.

    I’ve also asked you many times if adopting strict neutrality would have kept them from being invaded. You don’t respond because you know full well that Moldova was also scheduled for invasion and they had copied the constitutional neutrality of Switzerland.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    You apparently are unable to integrate these important facts into the overall picture of what is happening between the West and Russia in Ukraine.

    I have written that I think Ukraine could have gone for strict neutrality, except that various political forces on all sides make this very difficult and probably unrealistic. I can respect that it was an impossible path for them to follow, even if it was the best path on paper.

    Politics is the art of the possible. War is the continuation of politics by other means.

    I don't recall what I wrote about Moldova, but what happens there depends on the West, Romania, Ukraine and Russia. If Moldova can find a neutral stance which has some vague credibility with those players neutrality can probably work. If they play their cards right, maybe they can become the Russian Viceroy of the Western part of Ukraine once the SMO wraps up.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  290. @Philip Owen
    Last night, 3 June was a full moon. A full moon will negate the Ukrainians advantage in night vision (main subject of British training). In two weeks there will be no moon. That's when the big attack should come, plus or minus a few days. Also there will be longer hours of daylight to operate logistics.

    In the next two weeks, expect some feints by Ukraine to churn up the Russian reserves and perhaps even a couple of feints from Russia.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Gerard1234, @John Johnson

    Hi Phillip . my dear friend ( just joking, you hideous POS)

    Last night, 3 June was a full moon. A full moon will negate the Ukrainians advantage in night vision (main subject of British training).

    Except for

    Also there will be longer hours of daylight to operate logistics.

    the remaining comment is a disgusting use of NATO propaganda vomit/lies.

    In two weeks there will be no moon. That’s when the big attack should come, plus or minus a few days

    Well, it was a completely different type of operation, but today is anniversary of western allies landing at Normandy………which also occurred on the date of a full moon! So I would say for many reasons that your claim is just a useless supposition. True it was a long time before and warfare has changed, but the fundamental thinking of those in charge has not .

    1. British had huge advantage over Nazis in cryptography and photogrammetry – as shown in the absence of interception of any western allied communications, plentiful Nazi messages intercepted ( I think Britain fed the Nazis false intelligence leading them to send men to the wrong beach)…………and aerial reconnaissance and the photogrammetry techniques used from them giving Britain full knowledge of where all the fortifications and weapons installations along the coast …including those best hidden /camouflaged on 2d camera image.

    English Channel crossing is 30-50km? I don’t know much about those particular waters, but am always hearing about people regularly swimming across there, absence of any shipwrecks , africans/arab refugees sailing across there…………are they that difficult waters for a mass-scale amphibious landing? Western allies heavily outnumbered those defending Nazi positions around the coast.

    Nazi’s had control of Channel Islands for all of the war ( unbelievably) – you would think that early warning position would eliminate the possibility of western allies trying to land at much of the french coast

    So with all those conditions, you would think less the requirement to start invasion on the night of the full moon – giving the Nazis maximum use of one of the few advantages they had……..and more to use the darkness given the enhanced knowledge of the enemy positions and installations . But they didn’t – because your full moon is bad theory is a load of c*ap – certainly as an isolated factor to make such a decision.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Gerard1234

    Allied misinformation was designed to lead the Germans to expect an invasion around Calais, the narrowest point of the Channel. The Normandy beaches are well to the west of this and the Channel much wider.

    The Channel Islands are many miles further west again and "round the corner" of the French coast, strictly speaking rheir name is a bit of a misnomer. They offered the Germans no strategic advantage with regard to protecting against invasion.

  291. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Kherson before and after.

    https://i.redd.it/mwky71h66d4b1.jpg

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Kherson before and after.

    Well that’s another war crime.

    I’m sure Putin’s bootlickers will tell us it was a false flag or we’ll never know even though the timing is with the counter-offensive and the flooding makes it harder for the Ukrainians to move South.

    We at least now know that Bakhmut was not a master trap set by Putin. It is falling now that Wagner is leaving.

    Russia’s dependency on conscripts is most likely worse than anyone realizes which means they are at risk of a rout. The last few POWs I have seen in videos look like village drunks. MacGregor tells us that Ukraine is down to old men and boys while the videos show Ukrainian men in their 20s and 30s capturing village drunks in mismatched camo.

    ALL GOING AS PLANNED

    PUTIN IS JUST PLAYING 5D CHESS

    ALL HAIL THE DWARF

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I have wondered about the Wagner convicts.

    During wartime, I thought it was standard practice in countries with a draft to use convicts as troops, the point being that getting arrested does not get you out of serving in the military. So I have assumed that the ex-prisoner Wagner troops had previously been drafted, inducted and trained (boot camp) in the armed forces and were effectively from the pool of active reserve soldiers in Russia.

  292. @German_reader
    @songbird

    No real idea tbh. I suppose some kind of altar or shrine? The Wikipedia article on Lupercalia mentions that Justin (2nd century AD) wrote about a cult statue there; I looked it up, not very detailed (In huius radicibus templum Lycaeo, quem Graeci Pana, Romani Lupercum appellant, constituit; ipsum dei simulacrum nudum caprina pelle amictum est, quo habitu nunc Romae Lupercalibus decurritur., so presumably mostly nude with goatskin around the loins). Would of course be interesting if they found it, though I'd be more excited about some texts being rediscovered.

    Replies: @songbird

    Perhaps, an original history of Rome before it was sacked by the Celts, protected by some giant she-wolf demon, growling and pacing, and waiting to be let loose on the world?

    Some of these old sites are interesting, IMO. Trouble is across much of Europe the digs were antiquarian, and they tossed a lot of interesting things, like the bones.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Perhaps, an original history of Rome before it was sacked by the Celts
     
    Probably never existed, except very basic annals, lists of priests and magistrates etc. The extent of the break in continuity and cultural transmission caused by the Gallic sack is also disputed. Cornell in the book I mentioned earlier this year argues that it has been exaggerated and can't really explain the confused and semi-legendary character of the traditions about the time of the kings and the early republic. Seems more likely that there never were detailed sources for the early periods than that they were all destroyed by the Celts. So I don't think you need to feel some sort of Celtic blood guilt over that :-)

    protected by some giant she-wolf demon
     
    Apparently they don't have just native bears in Italy, but also wolves:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_wolf
    Interesting that they survived in Italy and weren't totally exterminated like in many other European countries.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  293. @Philip Owen
    Last night, 3 June was a full moon. A full moon will negate the Ukrainians advantage in night vision (main subject of British training). In two weeks there will be no moon. That's when the big attack should come, plus or minus a few days. Also there will be longer hours of daylight to operate logistics.

    In the next two weeks, expect some feints by Ukraine to churn up the Russian reserves and perhaps even a couple of feints from Russia.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Gerard1234, @John Johnson

    Last night, 3 June was a full moon. A full moon will negate the Ukrainians advantage in night vision (main subject of British training).

    They won’t have the same element of surprise but the Russians are using older AK-47s.

    Shoot an AR-15 or AK-47 at twilight or full moon.

    Then try aiming irons at anything in the woods.

    You need a red dot or illuminated scope against a modern force. The AK flash blinds your vision and the irons disappear against anything dark. You have to flare the entire area and I haven’t seen a single video where Russians use flares or smoke.

    Any Ukrainians attacking at night will have suppressors. When the Ukrainians send out special forces there will be a lot of quick nighty nights in the trenches.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @John Johnson

    I like such confirmation.

    I have night vision googles (Russian, I used to sell them. That's why the Russian army is short of them). There is, by British standards, a large military traiing area near me. For months, it has been possible to see the laser illuminators in use as the Ukranians have been training. They seem to have done a lot with mortars as well as automatics and rifles (Is sniping possible at night?). I say mortars because they are the most conspicuous litter afterwards - there are public footpaths on the range).

  294. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Perhaps, an original history of Rome before it was sacked by the Celts, protected by some giant she-wolf demon, growling and pacing, and waiting to be let loose on the world?

    Some of these old sites are interesting, IMO. Trouble is across much of Europe the digs were antiquarian, and they tossed a lot of interesting things, like the bones.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Perhaps, an original history of Rome before it was sacked by the Celts

    Probably never existed, except very basic annals, lists of priests and magistrates etc. The extent of the break in continuity and cultural transmission caused by the Gallic sack is also disputed. Cornell in the book I mentioned earlier this year argues that it has been exaggerated and can’t really explain the confused and semi-legendary character of the traditions about the time of the kings and the early republic. Seems more likely that there never were detailed sources for the early periods than that they were all destroyed by the Celts. So I don’t think you need to feel some sort of Celtic blood guilt over that 🙂

    protected by some giant she-wolf demon

    Apparently they don’t have just native bears in Italy, but also wolves:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_wolf
    Interesting that they survived in Italy and weren’t totally exterminated like in many other European countries.

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    There’s probably a picture of Isla Shewolf of the SS.

  295. S says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Have you ever thought of that cave in the Palatine Hill that supposedly nobody has been in for over thousand years? What could be in there?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupercal

    Replies: @German_reader, @S, @silviosilver

    Have you ever thought of that cave in the Palatine Hill that supposedly nobody has been in for over thousand years? What could be in there?

    That’s an intriguing question. It’d be great if they locate it.

    I was recently reading about the Old St Peter’s Basilica, which was ordered constructed by Constantine I and which stood for over a thousand years, ie between the 4th and 16th century. It’s a shame they tore it down, but in a place where everything is figuratively an antique, they can’t hold on to everything.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_St._Peter%27s_Basilica

    Happily, Rome still has these cool items, not to mention the Pantheon, a real gem. 🙂

    [MORE]

    The Fontana Della Pigna from 1st century AD. Yes, originally a fountain shaped like a pine cone.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontana_della_Pigna

    The 125 foot tall Pyramid of Cestius, a tomb, from about 12 BC.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Cestius

    • Thanks: songbird
  296. German_reader says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/06/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-ukraine-russia/

    Haha.
    Either Ukraine’s leadership is really crazy, or this means the US is preparing to throw Ukraine under the bus to divert from its own responsibility for the Nordstream sabotage.
    At least the accident theory which some commenters here wanted to believe in can be firmly ruled out.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    From that WP article:


    The intelligence report was based on information obtained from an individual in Ukraine.
     
    btw, in those Discorded leaks there was also one passage, based on information obtained from an individual in Ukraine, about Putin going through chemotherapy sessions, while Patrushev with Gerasimov is working overtime in order to sabotage the Zoperation from within;)

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Matra
    @German_reader

    At least the accident theory which some commenters here wanted to believe in can be firmly ruled out

    You mean some morons here were claiming it was an accident? I'd like to know who they were so I can skip over their posts in future.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    , @The Big Red Scary
    @German_reader

    Regardless of what really happened, German_reader is correct to ask why GAE is changing its story now. If if this story is true, why tell it? However, it might not be so much that the US is preparing to throw all of Ukraine under the bus, but that the screen-writers of this dark comedy have decided that this is Zaluzhny's final season on the show.

    By the way. Israelis should exterminate the haredi parasites. Europe is so fake and gay it deserves to be nuked. If only everyone was so based and German_reader pilled.

    Replies: @German_reader

  297. @A123
    @QCIC


    The reactors should have been shut down fully a year ago. How many are still operational? If they are operational it is another data point in the fake war outlook.
     
    None of them are 'operational'. However, even with the control rods fully down they generate a significant amount of heat that needs dissipation. Water circulation is maintained by offsite power and backup diesel generators. There are also onsite 'spent fuel' pools that need water on a regular basis.

    The Chernobyl like risk is mostly gone. However, many days without power and water could damage the facility. I have not heard specific time frames, but ZPP is a much newer design with better passive safety features.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    I’m aware of these details.

    What about the reactors in Western Ukraine? I would have shut these down as well.

  298. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    The list from Prigozhin’s speech is great. I stand by my earlier estimate that his rhetoric blend is 1/3 true, 1/3 false and 1/3 third made up. He put a lot of heat on Shoigu.

    Which would make it 33% more reliable than anything that comes out of the Kremlin.

    I don't trust the guy but I have never doubted that his frustration with the government is real. That was never fake and I completely understand.

    I think Russia will begin seriously going after ‘fifth columnists’ and probably institute martial law on the border. Is surprising if they did not have this already and might be another hint this is a fake war.

    Well according to the latest rumor they are keeping Putin from any bad news:
    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-russia-ukraine-bad-news-1804476

    He may not know that the border raids have been by anti-Putin Russians. He doesn't use the internet. There is no reason to assume that he will react at all.

    In Ivashka’s paradigm, is Prigozhin a Noviop for RusFed or is he pro-Russia?

    An amoral opportunist that is pro-Russian unless it leads to total humiliation.

    A materialistic scumbag but also their best general at the time. Very bizarre situation where a mafia chef with zero military experience builds a private army and yet understands the war better than his professionally trained peers. A Russian military training certificate will be the next ITT Tech or Trump college degree.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Newsweek? What a comedienne you are!

    Speaking of training, I have always wondered how much Zelensky paid for his “law degree”.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Newsweek? What a comedienne you are!

    Original source is Telegram. Was in the second sentence:
    The claim was made by the Telegram channel of VCHK-OGPU, whose handle says it reports about "the secrets of officials, oligarchs and gangsters" in Russia

    But way to show yet again that you wall yourself off from unwanted information.

    Speaking of training, I have always wondered how much Zelensky paid for his “law degree”.

    I really don't care.

    I support Ukraine and don't have some bizarre attachment to Zelensky or any world leader for that matter. The Putin bootlickers here seem to lack dads or desire an African style strongman. They have some weird emotional alpha attachment to him. The same thing happened with Trump. You criticize him at all and you get accused of being a tool of the MSM. How dare anyone suggest that a blue blood millionaire who appeared as a guest on WWE could be flawed. I voted for the guy but that doesn't mean he became my vicarious father figure.

    Replies: @QCIC

  299. German_reader says:

    Interesting tweet (by a Sweden Democrat, lol) about the dam destroyed today (key points: neither side may have destroyed it intentionally, water supply to Crimea isn’t threatened, may have very negative consequences for power generation on both sides of the front, Ukraine won’t be able to export electricity anymore):

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: A123
  300. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I'm not defending Russia, Putin or the war. I am explaining it in adult terms.

    Russian leaders have given a lot of speeches where they point out:

    1) The USA dropping out of the ABM treaty is an existential threat to Russia. The USA knows this, that was the point.

    2) Expansion of the anti-Russian NATO military alliance to the Russian border is an existential threat to Russia. NATO knows this, that is the point.

    3) Supporting an anti-Russia coup in a Russian sister-border country is an existential threat to Russia. The West knows this, that was the point.

    4) Russia will respond to these dire threats at a time and place of her choosing.

    The West believes Russia is weak and can be tamed while keeping the risk of nuclear war to a moderate level. The existence of the Status-6 and "Dead hand" systems suggest the Russian military takes this more seriously than our amateur Western statesmen believe.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Wokechoke, @John Johnson

    Interacting with morons is problematical.

  301. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I’m not defending Russia, Putin or the war. I am explaining it in adult terms.

    No you are trying to rationalize the actions of a dictator. You have been doing that since this war started. Last year you were telling us that Putin was going after Nazis and now you use a different excuse.

    Many of Putin's bootlickers have dropped out and yet you remain. I guess you are vying for last rat standing.

    Russian leaders have given a lot of speeches where they point out:

    There only one person in charge of Russia.

    The USA dropping out of the ABM treaty is an existential threat to Russia. The USA knows this, that was the point.

    That was in 2002. What does that have to do with Russian's invasion of Ukraine?

    Expansion of the anti-Russian NATO military alliance to the Russian border is an existential threat to Russia. NATO knows this, that is the point.

    Admission of Ukraine was opposed by both France and Germany up until Putin's invasion. Do you deny this?

    Supporting an anti-Russia coup in a Russian sister-border country is an existential threat to Russia. The West knows this, that was the point.

    How is removing a corrupt president a coup? That president's own party disavowed him for being corrupt. Were they wrong? A pro-Russian party? Do explain in adult terms.

    I've also asked you many times if adopting strict neutrality would have kept them from being invaded. You don't respond because you know full well that Moldova was also scheduled for invasion and they had copied the constitutional neutrality of Switzerland.

    Replies: @QCIC

    You apparently are unable to integrate these important facts into the overall picture of what is happening between the West and Russia in Ukraine.

    I have written that I think Ukraine could have gone for strict neutrality, except that various political forces on all sides make this very difficult and probably unrealistic. I can respect that it was an impossible path for them to follow, even if it was the best path on paper.

    Politics is the art of the possible. War is the continuation of politics by other means.

    I don’t recall what I wrote about Moldova, but what happens there depends on the West, Romania, Ukraine and Russia. If Moldova can find a neutral stance which has some vague credibility with those players neutrality can probably work. If they play their cards right, maybe they can become the Russian Viceroy of the Western part of Ukraine once the SMO wraps up.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I don’t recall what I wrote about Moldova, but what happens there depends on the West, Romania, Ukraine and Russia. If Moldova can find a neutral stance which has some vague credibility with those players neutrality can probably work.

    Moldova was scheduled for invasion and was only stopped by Ukraine resisting the dictator's war.

    Lukashenko even leaked the plans to invade Moldova on live television:
    https://thehill.com/policy/international/596409-belarus-president-stands-in-front-of-battle-map-indicating-moldova/

    So blaming the West makes zero sense. Putin was going to expand the empire by gobbling up non-NATO former Soviet bloc countries. The Baltics would undoubtedly have been on the list if not for NATO protection. The Russians still speak of the Baltics as belonging to them. They have a Russian minority which Putin would have used as a BS excuse of protecting them.

    Russia invades a neighboring country ever 30-50 years. They didn't stop with the USSR. Not a single country in the USSR had a majority that wanted to be part of Communism. Hungary tried to leave as an independent Socialist Republic and Moscow responded with tanks which meant the entire structure was a lie. Russians have been invading and lying about the reasons since they were a vassal state for Mongols. Invading is in their blood. Let's also not forget that they invaded Afghanistan with the goal of propping up a Communist minority.

    Replies: @Sean, @Ennui

  302. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    That would actually be a smart move on Israel’s part. Recruit smart, talented, and highly skilled non-Jewish immigrants, at least if they agree to convert to Judaism beforehand.

    Convert to Judaism???? It isn't like joining the Rotary club.

    It's a huge pain to convert if you aren't born into it. They don't want Christians converting unless you really, really want to marry a Jewish girl. They pretty much have a feats of strength challenge setup to earn that ass. But it's mostly memorizing. No one is going to do it for business reasons.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    Generally they are happier if your kids get married to one then your fortune gets drained away. Like Trump or the Clintons.

    A rich or clever man’s son/daughter is often a target for assimilation.

    See Abraham, Jacob or even Joseph.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    Generally they are happier if your kids get married to one then your fortune gets drained away. Like Trump or the Clintons.

    Well I highly doubt my kids will marry Jews.

    They like pulled pork, open spaces and cold winters.

    Mixed Christian/Jewish marriages are more of a phenomenon in LA and NYC. You hear about guys that find a Jewish chick and just assume that the religion is basically Christianity but without Christ. They don't know about the holidays.

    A rich or clever man’s son/daughter is often a target for assimilation.

    As a religion it appears setup for eugenics. A base level of literacy and motivation are required to convert.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  303. @silviosilver
    @Greasy William


    Dmitry isn’t a Jew, he just has a bizarre love affair with secular Israelis.
     
    He is very cagey about how Jewish he is. Doesn't he claim to have a Jewish ancestor? And he seems to understand Hebrew, which would be a very unusual step for a non-Jew.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    Dmitry is obviously a Jew going on about Israel like that. He’s a lost tribal member though. Trying to get back home.

    A rich or clever man’s son/daughter is often a target for assimilation. Not a downwardly

  304. @German_reader
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/06/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-ukraine-russia/

    Haha.
    Either Ukraine's leadership is really crazy, or this means the US is preparing to throw Ukraine under the bus to divert from its own responsibility for the Nordstream sabotage.
    At least the accident theory which some commenters here wanted to believe in can be firmly ruled out.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Matra, @The Big Red Scary

    From that WP article:

    The intelligence report was based on information obtained from an individual in Ukraine.

    btw, in those Discorded leaks there was also one passage, based on information obtained from an individual in Ukraine, about Putin going through chemotherapy sessions, while Patrushev with Gerasimov is working overtime in order to sabotage the Zoperation from within;)

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Your argument is what exactly? Of course there's still a chance the pipelines were blown up by Russia after all (for disinformation, or because hardliners wanted to burn all bridges, or some other convoluted reason that isn't easily discernible)...but it's far more likely it was either Ukraine in a rogue operation or the US as in Hersh's story.
    Personally I don't even think it's all that plausible Ukraine did it on its own, the story with that tiny yacht looks pretty absurd. But it's a story American mainstream media have picked up. Why? Either because there actually is something to it and the Americans have misgivings about Ukraine's covert ops and want to distance themselves from them, or because it's deliberate disinformation to deflect attention from Hersh's story.
    Do you have a better explanation or is your point just that it's no big deal anyway? In any case, your previous preferred explanation (accident because of Russian incompetence) is pretty much ruled out.

    Replies: @sudden death

  305. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Newsweek? What a comedienne you are!

    Speaking of training, I have always wondered how much Zelensky paid for his "law degree".

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Newsweek? What a comedienne you are!

    Original source is Telegram. Was in the second sentence:
    The claim was made by the Telegram channel of VCHK-OGPU, whose handle says it reports about “the secrets of officials, oligarchs and gangsters” in Russia

    But way to show yet again that you wall yourself off from unwanted information.

    Speaking of training, I have always wondered how much Zelensky paid for his “law degree”.

    I really don’t care.

    I support Ukraine and don’t have some bizarre attachment to Zelensky or any world leader for that matter. The Putin bootlickers here seem to lack dads or desire an African style strongman. They have some weird emotional alpha attachment to him. The same thing happened with Trump. You criticize him at all and you get accused of being a tool of the MSM. How dare anyone suggest that a blue blood millionaire who appeared as a guest on WWE could be flawed. I voted for the guy but that doesn’t mean he became my vicarious father figure.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    My views on Trump are similar. I think the WWE bit where he tackled the other guy is great fun...but not exactly Presidential. There are a number of things about Trump which should probably disqualify him. Unfortunately, other candidates seem MUCH worse.

    I don't know why you care so much about VVP. One man does not run a country of 150 million people, not matter how big a mansion he may or may not live in.

    The important issues in Ukraine are independent of Putin, he is simply the spokesperson for a complex country. Russia and China are the only countries with a military-industrial-complex (MIC) comparable to the USA. The people controlling the MIC have a say in military matters in all of these countries. The citizens of the USA have no natural enemies, yet we have a huge defense budget and our leaders are actively trying to start at least two World-scale wars. You need to look at the big picture. Pointing this out does not make me anti-USA or pro-Russia or pro-China, I just want the real USA back.

  306. @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Generally they are happier if your kids get married to one then your fortune gets drained away. Like Trump or the Clintons.

    A rich or clever man’s son/daughter is often a target for assimilation.

    See Abraham, Jacob or even Joseph.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Generally they are happier if your kids get married to one then your fortune gets drained away. Like Trump or the Clintons.

    Well I highly doubt my kids will marry Jews.

    They like pulled pork, open spaces and cold winters.

    Mixed Christian/Jewish marriages are more of a phenomenon in LA and NYC. You hear about guys that find a Jewish chick and just assume that the religion is basically Christianity but without Christ. They don’t know about the holidays.

    A rich or clever man’s son/daughter is often a target for assimilation.

    As a religion it appears setup for eugenics. A base level of literacy and motivation are required to convert.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Subverting the resentful children of a mogul is a key strategy. There was a lot of this in the intermarriage of American, so called, heiresses and British aristocrats. In the US context you’ve Suddenly got Bill and Hillary Clinton being motivated to defend Israel attack Iraq and in retrospect even though it’s anachronistic, attack Serbia because of her daughter’s marriage choice.

    On top of any money they owe to Jewish donors of course.

  307. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Perhaps, an original history of Rome before it was sacked by the Celts
     
    Probably never existed, except very basic annals, lists of priests and magistrates etc. The extent of the break in continuity and cultural transmission caused by the Gallic sack is also disputed. Cornell in the book I mentioned earlier this year argues that it has been exaggerated and can't really explain the confused and semi-legendary character of the traditions about the time of the kings and the early republic. Seems more likely that there never were detailed sources for the early periods than that they were all destroyed by the Celts. So I don't think you need to feel some sort of Celtic blood guilt over that :-)

    protected by some giant she-wolf demon
     
    Apparently they don't have just native bears in Italy, but also wolves:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_wolf
    Interesting that they survived in Italy and weren't totally exterminated like in many other European countries.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    There’s probably a picture of Isla Shewolf of the SS.

  308. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    From that WP article:


    The intelligence report was based on information obtained from an individual in Ukraine.
     
    btw, in those Discorded leaks there was also one passage, based on information obtained from an individual in Ukraine, about Putin going through chemotherapy sessions, while Patrushev with Gerasimov is working overtime in order to sabotage the Zoperation from within;)

    Replies: @German_reader

    Your argument is what exactly? Of course there’s still a chance the pipelines were blown up by Russia after all (for disinformation, or because hardliners wanted to burn all bridges, or some other convoluted reason that isn’t easily discernible)…but it’s far more likely it was either Ukraine in a rogue operation or the US as in Hersh’s story.
    Personally I don’t even think it’s all that plausible Ukraine did it on its own, the story with that tiny yacht looks pretty absurd. But it’s a story American mainstream media have picked up. Why? Either because there actually is something to it and the Americans have misgivings about Ukraine’s covert ops and want to distance themselves from them, or because it’s deliberate disinformation to deflect attention from Hersh’s story.
    Do you have a better explanation or is your point just that it’s no big deal anyway? In any case, your previous preferred explanation (accident because of Russian incompetence) is pretty much ruled out.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    The point is people are building grand theories based on who whispered or printed something about potential planing, while pretending to have a clue about the very basic simple foundation. And that simple "known" foundation for those grand theories is not known at all - still no any whispers or printings, not even to mention official data, about whether traces of explosives were found in the pipes or not and what is the initial physical character of bursts - from inside or outside the pipes?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard

  309. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    You apparently are unable to integrate these important facts into the overall picture of what is happening between the West and Russia in Ukraine.

    I have written that I think Ukraine could have gone for strict neutrality, except that various political forces on all sides make this very difficult and probably unrealistic. I can respect that it was an impossible path for them to follow, even if it was the best path on paper.

    Politics is the art of the possible. War is the continuation of politics by other means.

    I don't recall what I wrote about Moldova, but what happens there depends on the West, Romania, Ukraine and Russia. If Moldova can find a neutral stance which has some vague credibility with those players neutrality can probably work. If they play their cards right, maybe they can become the Russian Viceroy of the Western part of Ukraine once the SMO wraps up.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I don’t recall what I wrote about Moldova, but what happens there depends on the West, Romania, Ukraine and Russia. If Moldova can find a neutral stance which has some vague credibility with those players neutrality can probably work.

    Moldova was scheduled for invasion and was only stopped by Ukraine resisting the dictator’s war.

    Lukashenko even leaked the plans to invade Moldova on live television:
    https://thehill.com/policy/international/596409-belarus-president-stands-in-front-of-battle-map-indicating-moldova/

    So blaming the West makes zero sense. Putin was going to expand the empire by gobbling up non-NATO former Soviet bloc countries. The Baltics would undoubtedly have been on the list if not for NATO protection. The Russians still speak of the Baltics as belonging to them. They have a Russian minority which Putin would have used as a BS excuse of protecting them.

    Russia invades a neighboring country ever 30-50 years. They didn’t stop with the USSR. Not a single country in the USSR had a majority that wanted to be part of Communism. Hungary tried to leave as an independent Socialist Republic and Moscow responded with tanks which meant the entire structure was a lie. Russians have been invading and lying about the reasons since they were a vassal state for Mongols. Invading is in their blood. Let’s also not forget that they invaded Afghanistan with the goal of propping up a Communist minority.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson

    So open ended support for Ukraine ought to be common sense to prevent more and wider wars as well as morally mandated? Retired Nato generals Hodges and Hertling would when serving in the Cold War and under Warsaw Pact conventional attack have, in accordance with doctrine, asked to go nuclear were Nato to be collapsing conventionally (as they were expected to soon be doing). So why are they so confident Russian generals would not obey orders to use or not request theatre thermonuclear use if being defeated? Their confidence may be for PR or psychological purposes, yet may get a stone rolling that will gather enough poisoned mass media moss to put their theories to the ultimate test.

    Attacking US satellites or Western infrastructure would be a far greater escalation than using nuclear weapons on the Ukrainian army. Russia and Ukraine are at war after all! Isn't the autocratic system what is believed by the Kremlin to belding the RusFed together, and with the impending fall of that system would the Kremlin not be likely to foresee instant disintegration? And so the likelihood of the Russian state facing what they would see as an immediate existential emergency threat in the aftermath of being driven out of Crimea is precisely the reason that America dare not help Ukraine inflict a defeat of such magnitude on Russia. It is irresponsible for retired general to encourage Western publics and the leadership of Ukraine into thinking into thinking that Russians are scared to do what Nato generals would have done if losing conventionally. And once that Rubicon was crossed against the Ukrainian army, none can say what might follow.

    This is why the West is not going to get into a nuclear war with Russia over anything it does in Ukraine. So can you beat up a man who has a loaded gun on him? To a certain extent perhaps, but at some point his survival instinct will take over. Are we looking to find out when that will be for Russia? Why are we not putting our foot on Russia's neck and pressing down? Because we don't dare, you silly fellow.

    , @Ennui
    @John Johnson

    How was Manifest Destiny accomplished? Were the Puritans "indigenous" to New England. How did words like khaki and pajama get into English?

    This pearl clutching over invasions is disingenuous of not straight out mendacious, it's very whiny, and therefore Jewish, CIA and womanish of you, Johnson. It appeals to emotional b.s.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. Hack

  310. @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    >cap

    Sorry, can't relate.

    Also, why are military boots so stiff for the field then?

    GOAL - x1 General Purpose boot, good enough for street, good on rucks.
    -10C to +25C operating range -5 to +20 comfort.
    Max 1ft of Snow, Swamp/Forest, low lying hills <3km.

    Current boots -



    American
    Danner Tanicus - 650g pair Size 14 Paid $180
    Worn out & basically a running shoe with ankle mesh to meet regs.
    Little energy return on a ruck so not good outside General Task/Garrison.
    Have shoveled 1ft snow with it in -10C & a single pair wool socks.
     


    German
    Lowa Z8 Black - 750g pair Paid Free
    Nice suede, weird heel shape & hard to double sock or use insoles
    Average on rucks, can sprint pretty well, but bad insole
    Will keep for formals - don't like for extended use
     


    British - Last bootmaker in Country
    Altberg Defender - 800g Pair Paid $100
    Full Brown Leather & Polishable
    Looks good, but sweaty above 10C
    Issued to Brit Forces
    Go to winter boot, but stiff leather below freezing
    Only light rucks for this reason <35lb
     
    Looking to get:


    Italian
    Garmont T8 Bifida 8-900g pair? (size 8 weight given as 650 vs 400 for Danner)
    Finally in stock
    Metal Eyelets, Stiff Vibram Sole, Big Lugs
    Mesh

     

    Hoping the Garmont are energetic, wide enough for 2 socks/insole & cool above 10C.
    I can't do non-mesh above 10C in wool anymore.


    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1115303685346578443/image.png

    Current main boot:
    https://fundytactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/55316-1.jpg

    Next & would've gotten before if available in Canada:
    https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-q9ptxvukwz/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/2746/109727/garmont-t8-bifida-tactical-boot-t8__32865.1597353008.jpg

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mikel

    >cap

    Sorry, can’t relate.

    Hat, (baseball) cap, running cap…. what do you call them in Canada?

    Hat evokes a larger item to me. With no further qualifications it would possibly be understood to be a cowboy hat around here, though I think I’ve sometimes heard people talk about hats when referring to caps, not sure.

    Also, why are military boots so stiff for the field then?

    I guess they’re optimized for foot an ankle protection, like hiking shoes, not for uphill running. If you do a lot of uphill running with no freedom of movement for the ankle you’ll soon get tendinitis, as I found out years ago, when I was new to the trail running vogue.

    • Thanks: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    It was a joke about wearing Dastar instead of topi.

    Gonna go with Lowa Zephyr next boot allotment.

    Still lot of work till then.

    To say the least. 😂

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mikel

  311. @German_reader
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/06/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-ukraine-russia/

    Haha.
    Either Ukraine's leadership is really crazy, or this means the US is preparing to throw Ukraine under the bus to divert from its own responsibility for the Nordstream sabotage.
    At least the accident theory which some commenters here wanted to believe in can be firmly ruled out.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Matra, @The Big Red Scary

    At least the accident theory which some commenters here wanted to believe in can be firmly ruled out

    You mean some morons here were claiming it was an accident? I’d like to know who they were so I can skip over their posts in future.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Matra

    Sudden death and A123 professed to believe in such a theory, presumably because they don't like the implications of the actually plausible explanations.

    , @A123
    @Matra

    There is a huge amount of evidence supporting the NordStream ruptures as operational accidents. Hydrate slugs are a known issue in the industry: (1) (2)

     
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Vol6_Page_554_Image_0001-300x145.jpg
     

    The pathetic lobotomite fringe insisting it was sabotage refuse to address the painfully obvious disqualifying questions:

    If it was deliberate:
        • Why were the blasts 17 hours apart?
        • Why 50 miles distance for the sites?
        • Why only 3 of 4 pipes?
        • Why was not a shred of *physical* evidence produced in a timely manner?

    Does this look like a single well coordinated attack?

     
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/nord-292x300.jpg
     

    Of course not. No one would design a plan with that physical coverage & timing.

    Stepping down to a non-state actor (e.g. German green extremists, rogue Ukies) could explain the only 3 of 4 tubes fail. However, such irregular forces make the timing and distance problems even harder to address.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

    (2) https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html

    Replies: @QCIC

  312. German_reader says:
    @Matra
    @German_reader

    At least the accident theory which some commenters here wanted to believe in can be firmly ruled out

    You mean some morons here were claiming it was an accident? I'd like to know who they were so I can skip over their posts in future.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    Sudden death and A123 professed to believe in such a theory, presumably because they don’t like the implications of the actually plausible explanations.

    • Thanks: Matra
  313. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    It took me three years to accustom myself to zero-rise enough to finally prefer it. Altra is definitely the gateway drug. The last time I tried to find New Balance Minimus I could not. Right now I run with Xero but only on a track. Running on trail is not something that I find to be fun.

    For hiking I use the Vivo barefoot more often than the Altra.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool

    Running on trail is not something that I find to be fun.

    Running in the wild is probably the most natural movement to the human body. It is what evolution designed us for, which is why you better let your feet and leg joints move freely. To me it goes well beyond the simple physical benefit of exercise and is part of my mental hygiene routine. My usual route actually goes cross-country most of the time, through game trails and meadows in sparsely forested slopes full of wild deer. But maybe it’s just me. Most people here do prefer the concrete trail at the base of the slopes and some of them are clearly more fanatical than me in their running routines. I would just never be able to get the same sensations from running on a track or paved surface.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    When I was trail running it was CA and the trails there are almost all wooded with poison oak which is trivial to avoid at walking speed and a pain in the ass to watch out for while running. No poison oak here. Maybe I will give it another try.

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    Running in the wild is probably the most natural movement to the human body. It is what evolution designed us for
     
    True, but we were not designed to run regularly. Our pre-agricultural ancestors were not running every day or even every week. Running down prey was not a regular occurrence. Doing so takes a toll on the body; regular walking and hiking are more natural and healthier.

    In terms of hiking shoes, I find the Italian (South Tyrolean) brand La Sportiva to be ideal, for people with narrow feet.,

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    I do it for the endorphins and the anandamide. And yeah, it's best done out of town, even a park in the city doesn't cut it. Forest trails or overland accross the fields is the best way. On the river sides is great too. Anywhere where you have the least amount of people. Especially so you can have an unleashed dog running along you. The best breed in my opinion is Irish setter, they do enjoy running.

  314. Now that gonorrhea and syphilis are reaching modern records in England, should we bring back such location names as Bastardtown and Slutsend? (Though I am thinking the syphilis must be gays)

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-65810160

  315. @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    Generally they are happier if your kids get married to one then your fortune gets drained away. Like Trump or the Clintons.

    Well I highly doubt my kids will marry Jews.

    They like pulled pork, open spaces and cold winters.

    Mixed Christian/Jewish marriages are more of a phenomenon in LA and NYC. You hear about guys that find a Jewish chick and just assume that the religion is basically Christianity but without Christ. They don't know about the holidays.

    A rich or clever man’s son/daughter is often a target for assimilation.

    As a religion it appears setup for eugenics. A base level of literacy and motivation are required to convert.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Subverting the resentful children of a mogul is a key strategy. There was a lot of this in the intermarriage of American, so called, heiresses and British aristocrats. In the US context you’ve Suddenly got Bill and Hillary Clinton being motivated to defend Israel attack Iraq and in retrospect even though it’s anachronistic, attack Serbia because of her daughter’s marriage choice.

    On top of any money they owe to Jewish donors of course.

  316. A123 says: • Website
    @Matra
    @German_reader

    At least the accident theory which some commenters here wanted to believe in can be firmly ruled out

    You mean some morons here were claiming it was an accident? I'd like to know who they were so I can skip over their posts in future.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    There is a huge amount of evidence supporting the NordStream ruptures as operational accidents. Hydrate slugs are a known issue in the industry: (1) (2)

      

    The pathetic lobotomite fringe insisting it was sabotage refuse to address the painfully obvious disqualifying questions:

    If it was deliberate:
        • Why were the blasts 17 hours apart?
        • Why 50 miles distance for the sites?
        • Why only 3 of 4 pipes?
        • Why was not a shred of *physical* evidence produced in a timely manner?

    Does this look like a single well coordinated attack?

      

    Of course not. No one would design a plan with that physical coverage & timing.

    Stepping down to a non-state actor (e.g. German green extremists, rogue Ukies) could explain the only 3 of 4 tubes fail. However, such irregular forces make the timing and distance problems even harder to address.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

    (2) https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    Mr. A123, it is starting to look like you are the official disinformation cover story for the demolition. Do you write sluggo letters to the editors of the major news rags?

    It is a good sign that the West is setting the Ukies up as the fall guy. This may be a hint the West is going into damage control mode and preparing to move to greener pastures.

    Replies: @A123

  317. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Kherson before and after.

    Well that's another war crime.

    I'm sure Putin's bootlickers will tell us it was a false flag or we'll never know even though the timing is with the counter-offensive and the flooding makes it harder for the Ukrainians to move South.

    We at least now know that Bakhmut was not a master trap set by Putin. It is falling now that Wagner is leaving.

    Russia's dependency on conscripts is most likely worse than anyone realizes which means they are at risk of a rout. The last few POWs I have seen in videos look like village drunks. MacGregor tells us that Ukraine is down to old men and boys while the videos show Ukrainian men in their 20s and 30s capturing village drunks in mismatched camo.

    ALL GOING AS PLANNED

    PUTIN IS JUST PLAYING 5D CHESS

    ALL HAIL THE DWARF

    Replies: @QCIC

    I have wondered about the Wagner convicts.

    During wartime, I thought it was standard practice in countries with a draft to use convicts as troops, the point being that getting arrested does not get you out of serving in the military. So I have assumed that the ex-prisoner Wagner troops had previously been drafted, inducted and trained (boot camp) in the armed forces and were effectively from the pool of active reserve soldiers in Russia.

  318. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Running on trail is not something that I find to be fun.
     
    Running in the wild is probably the most natural movement to the human body. It is what evolution designed us for, which is why you better let your feet and leg joints move freely. To me it goes well beyond the simple physical benefit of exercise and is part of my mental hygiene routine. My usual route actually goes cross-country most of the time, through game trails and meadows in sparsely forested slopes full of wild deer. But maybe it's just me. Most people here do prefer the concrete trail at the base of the slopes and some of them are clearly more fanatical than me in their running routines. I would just never be able to get the same sensations from running on a track or paved surface.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Ivashka the fool

    When I was trail running it was CA and the trails there are almost all wooded with poison oak which is trivial to avoid at walking speed and a pain in the ass to watch out for while running. No poison oak here. Maybe I will give it another try.

  319. S says:

    Running in the wild is probably the most natural movement to the human body. It is what evolution designed us for, which is why you better let your feet and leg joints move freely. To me it goes well beyond the simple physical benefit of exercise and is part of my mental hygiene routine.

    I agree.

    I think running is one of the best overall exercises there is for the human body.

    For most of human history, prior to the relatively recent domestication of the horse and if you wanted meat, it was necessary that you could run for the hunt. Running on a treadmill in particular, or on streets (somewhat), just isn’t the same as running in the countryside if one can finagle it.

    [Supposedly, the US army did a study which found running on solid concrete was no harder on a person’s joints than running on a grassy field. That, and the ‘scientific study’ which I’ve heard about for ages, which determined it made ‘no difference’ if you stretched before jogging or not, I choose not to believe.]

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  320. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Newsweek? What a comedienne you are!

    Original source is Telegram. Was in the second sentence:
    The claim was made by the Telegram channel of VCHK-OGPU, whose handle says it reports about "the secrets of officials, oligarchs and gangsters" in Russia

    But way to show yet again that you wall yourself off from unwanted information.

    Speaking of training, I have always wondered how much Zelensky paid for his “law degree”.

    I really don't care.

    I support Ukraine and don't have some bizarre attachment to Zelensky or any world leader for that matter. The Putin bootlickers here seem to lack dads or desire an African style strongman. They have some weird emotional alpha attachment to him. The same thing happened with Trump. You criticize him at all and you get accused of being a tool of the MSM. How dare anyone suggest that a blue blood millionaire who appeared as a guest on WWE could be flawed. I voted for the guy but that doesn't mean he became my vicarious father figure.

    Replies: @QCIC

    My views on Trump are similar. I think the WWE bit where he tackled the other guy is great fun…but not exactly Presidential. There are a number of things about Trump which should probably disqualify him. Unfortunately, other candidates seem MUCH worse.

    I don’t know why you care so much about VVP. One man does not run a country of 150 million people, not matter how big a mansion he may or may not live in.

    The important issues in Ukraine are independent of Putin, he is simply the spokesperson for a complex country. Russia and China are the only countries with a military-industrial-complex (MIC) comparable to the USA. The people controlling the MIC have a say in military matters in all of these countries. The citizens of the USA have no natural enemies, yet we have a huge defense budget and our leaders are actively trying to start at least two World-scale wars. You need to look at the big picture. Pointing this out does not make me anti-USA or pro-Russia or pro-China, I just want the real USA back.

  321. QCIC says:
    @A123
    @Matra

    There is a huge amount of evidence supporting the NordStream ruptures as operational accidents. Hydrate slugs are a known issue in the industry: (1) (2)

     
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Vol6_Page_554_Image_0001-300x145.jpg
     

    The pathetic lobotomite fringe insisting it was sabotage refuse to address the painfully obvious disqualifying questions:

    If it was deliberate:
        • Why were the blasts 17 hours apart?
        • Why 50 miles distance for the sites?
        • Why only 3 of 4 pipes?
        • Why was not a shred of *physical* evidence produced in a timely manner?

    Does this look like a single well coordinated attack?

     
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/nord-292x300.jpg
     

    Of course not. No one would design a plan with that physical coverage & timing.

    Stepping down to a non-state actor (e.g. German green extremists, rogue Ukies) could explain the only 3 of 4 tubes fail. However, such irregular forces make the timing and distance problems even harder to address.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

    (2) https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html

    Replies: @QCIC

    Mr. A123, it is starting to look like you are the official disinformation cover story for the demolition. Do you write sluggo letters to the editors of the major news rags?

    It is a good sign that the West is setting the Ukies up as the fall guy. This may be a hint the West is going into damage control mode and preparing to move to greener pastures.

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC

    Why is it so hard to believe that "Blame America" is the European Empire's disinfo?

    • Have you seen our Veggie-in-Chief?
    • Do you remember Gen. SJW Milley's failed Afghanistan withdrawal?
    • How about the recent Discord document dump that included information so sensitive it was marked No Foreign [NOFORN]?

    It is very disturbing that anyone believes America has -- the agency to direct this, the competence to execute, and the ability to keep it a secret.

    ========
        ARE
        YOU
    KIDDING
         ME
         ???
    ========

    America does not stride the earth as a diety given form & substance. Forget about it.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/58906ec9-7bec-4587-8a58-c1eee8efef69_875x616.jpeg

  322. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Running on trail is not something that I find to be fun.
     
    Running in the wild is probably the most natural movement to the human body. It is what evolution designed us for, which is why you better let your feet and leg joints move freely. To me it goes well beyond the simple physical benefit of exercise and is part of my mental hygiene routine. My usual route actually goes cross-country most of the time, through game trails and meadows in sparsely forested slopes full of wild deer. But maybe it's just me. Most people here do prefer the concrete trail at the base of the slopes and some of them are clearly more fanatical than me in their running routines. I would just never be able to get the same sensations from running on a track or paved surface.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Ivashka the fool

    Running in the wild is probably the most natural movement to the human body. It is what evolution designed us for

    True, but we were not designed to run regularly. Our pre-agricultural ancestors were not running every day or even every week. Running down prey was not a regular occurrence. Doing so takes a toll on the body; regular walking and hiking are more natural and healthier.

    In terms of hiking shoes, I find the Italian (South Tyrolean) brand La Sportiva to be ideal, for people with narrow feet.,

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Doesn't the evolutionary story have man, in the beginning, slogging it out of the ocean onto land?

    Swimming is the best form of exercise as far as I can see. I'll be up to 25 laps tonight after work! Not sure whether I'll crescendo out at 30 or 35 laps yet?....

    BTW, I've adopted a family from Kherson that regularly attend my church. Soon, I'll be taking them with me to the pool too. They all got sick this week, hopefully not Covid. Baba, Mama and Kitsia, just starting to get to know them. I thought that I read that the church that you attend is also starting to mushroom with Ukrainian bizhantsi?...

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    People who are fat but otherwise healthy (being fat does not *have to* result in being unhealthy; there's a correlation between these two things, but there are people who are exceptions to the general trend/rule here) could I think significantly benefit from regular walking exercise. Running would probably be too much and too intense for them, especially for a long period of time.

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    True, but we were not designed to run regularly.
     
    I think we were, actually. Just watch a documentary showing how the Khoisan and other hunter-gatherers in Africa spend their lives. The Khoisan in particular sometimes spend all day running in groups to encircle their prey. You just can't hunt wild animals by walking placidly in nature. Our ancestors needed to run and sprint all the time in all kinds of terrain.

    But conditions must have varied from one place to another. Our Ice Age ancestors in Europe probably spent more time in caves and refuges than their tropical counterparts but the need for food was constant and the means to preserve it rudimentary. I guess they needed to keep hunting in all seasons. Females, on the other hand, did roam around gathering other types of food, which in modern HG societies is often the main source of calories.

    regular walking and hiking are more natural and healthier.
     
    I don't think so. There is a strong relationship between VO2 max and overall health. But whatever makes one feel good is probably the best for each individual. I get into an optimal mental state after a vigorous run uphill to one of my favorite lookouts followed by a slow hike down enjoying the landscape. But I know that some other people prefer a workout in the gym, jogging on flat terrain or even not doing any exercise. As Pope Francis would say, who am I to judge?

    I find the Italian (South Tyrolean) brand La Sportiva to be ideal
     
    It's difficult to go wrong with La Sportiva. They've been in the business for generations. My summer hiking shoes are that brand too. But these days one must be careful with the low end versions of all brands. Apparently, there's not enough money to be made with technical apparel and they all cater to the casual wear segment.

    Replies: @AP

  323. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Your argument is what exactly? Of course there's still a chance the pipelines were blown up by Russia after all (for disinformation, or because hardliners wanted to burn all bridges, or some other convoluted reason that isn't easily discernible)...but it's far more likely it was either Ukraine in a rogue operation or the US as in Hersh's story.
    Personally I don't even think it's all that plausible Ukraine did it on its own, the story with that tiny yacht looks pretty absurd. But it's a story American mainstream media have picked up. Why? Either because there actually is something to it and the Americans have misgivings about Ukraine's covert ops and want to distance themselves from them, or because it's deliberate disinformation to deflect attention from Hersh's story.
    Do you have a better explanation or is your point just that it's no big deal anyway? In any case, your previous preferred explanation (accident because of Russian incompetence) is pretty much ruled out.

    Replies: @sudden death

    The point is people are building grand theories based on who whispered or printed something about potential planing, while pretending to have a clue about the very basic simple foundation. And that simple “known” foundation for those grand theories is not known at all – still no any whispers or printings, not even to mention official data, about whether traces of explosives were found in the pipes or not and what is the initial physical character of bursts – from inside or outside the pipes?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death


    about whether traces of explosives were found in the pipes or not and what is the character of bursts – from inside or outside the pipes?
     
    Seriously, now you're going with this bs that explosives may have been inside the pipes, just so you can cling to the idea that it must have been Russia? Nothing like this has been mentioned in the reports about the investigation, everything that is known points to sabotage from outside. Which might of course still have been done by Russia, it's just that other scenarios look far more likely (which despite all the skirting around the key issues has essentially even been admitted in Western mainstream media by now).

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    The investigation is top secret.

    What other data does your galaxy brain need as input?

  324. @AP
    @Mikel


    Running in the wild is probably the most natural movement to the human body. It is what evolution designed us for
     
    True, but we were not designed to run regularly. Our pre-agricultural ancestors were not running every day or even every week. Running down prey was not a regular occurrence. Doing so takes a toll on the body; regular walking and hiking are more natural and healthier.

    In terms of hiking shoes, I find the Italian (South Tyrolean) brand La Sportiva to be ideal, for people with narrow feet.,

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    Doesn’t the evolutionary story have man, in the beginning, slogging it out of the ocean onto land?

    Swimming is the best form of exercise as far as I can see. I’ll be up to 25 laps tonight after work! Not sure whether I’ll crescendo out at 30 or 35 laps yet?….

    BTW, I’ve adopted a family from Kherson that regularly attend my church. Soon, I’ll be taking them with me to the pool too. They all got sick this week, hopefully not Covid. Baba, Mama and Kitsia, just starting to get to know them. I thought that I read that the church that you attend is also starting to mushroom with Ukrainian bizhantsi?…

  325. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    The point is people are building grand theories based on who whispered or printed something about potential planing, while pretending to have a clue about the very basic simple foundation. And that simple "known" foundation for those grand theories is not known at all - still no any whispers or printings, not even to mention official data, about whether traces of explosives were found in the pipes or not and what is the initial physical character of bursts - from inside or outside the pipes?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard

    about whether traces of explosives were found in the pipes or not and what is the character of bursts – from inside or outside the pipes?

    Seriously, now you’re going with this bs that explosives may have been inside the pipes, just so you can cling to the idea that it must have been Russia? Nothing like this has been mentioned in the reports about the investigation, everything that is known points to sabotage from outside. Which might of course still have been done by Russia, it’s just that other scenarios look far more likely (which despite all the skirting around the key issues has essentially even been admitted in Western mainstream media by now).

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Potential correction, which doesn't change the point, but makes it harder to cling on word formulation;)


    Still no any whispers or printings, not even to mention official data, about whether any traces of explosives were found outside/inside or anywhere close(r) to the pipes or not
     

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    FWIW, Greg Cochran (gcochran99 on Twitter) apparently believes that the Ukrainians were the ones who blew up Nord Stream 2. Greg Cochran is pro-Ukraine, FWIW.

  326. @German_reader
    @sudden death


    about whether traces of explosives were found in the pipes or not and what is the character of bursts – from inside or outside the pipes?
     
    Seriously, now you're going with this bs that explosives may have been inside the pipes, just so you can cling to the idea that it must have been Russia? Nothing like this has been mentioned in the reports about the investigation, everything that is known points to sabotage from outside. Which might of course still have been done by Russia, it's just that other scenarios look far more likely (which despite all the skirting around the key issues has essentially even been admitted in Western mainstream media by now).

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. XYZ

    Potential correction, which doesn’t change the point, but makes it harder to cling on word formulation;)

    Still no any whispers or printings, not even to mention official data, about whether any traces of explosives were found outside/inside or anywhere close(r) to the pipes or not

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    I'm not sure what your point is, the presence of explosives was confirmed long ago, it was definitely sabotage:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/18/gross-sabotage-traces-of-explosives-found-at-sites-of-nord-stream-gas-leaks
    Not going to look for more since I'm now going to bed, but everything I've seen so far indicates the pipes were destroyed with explosive charges planted on the outside. If they had been destroyed from the inside, one could tell from the debris and it would be public knowledge, since it would make Russia the top (in fact probably the only) suspect.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123

  327. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Potential correction, which doesn't change the point, but makes it harder to cling on word formulation;)


    Still no any whispers or printings, not even to mention official data, about whether any traces of explosives were found outside/inside or anywhere close(r) to the pipes or not
     

    Replies: @German_reader

    I’m not sure what your point is, the presence of explosives was confirmed long ago, it was definitely sabotage:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/18/gross-sabotage-traces-of-explosives-found-at-sites-of-nord-stream-gas-leaks
    Not going to look for more since I’m now going to bed, but everything I’ve seen so far indicates the pipes were destroyed with explosive charges planted on the outside. If they had been destroyed from the inside, one could tell from the debris and it would be public knowledge, since it would make Russia the top (in fact probably the only) suspect.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Thanx for the link, really managed to miss the most obvious confirmation from the official investigator, lol

    Anyway, still not clear from the text what is the vector of the blast and what are the mentioned objects and were they collected from all damage points? Could be the pieces of the metal pipe or some sea rocks around/below the damaged pipes? Or both?

    The only latest thing could quickly find was about the same from same person on 04/2023, but nothing more adding to the clarity:


    Previously, the investigation has been able to confirm that this is a case concerning gross sabotage. Analyses from objects seized during the crime scene investigations show traces of explosives on several of the foreign objects which were examined.
     
    https://www.aklagare.se/en/media/press-releases/2023/april/still-unclear-who-is-behind-gross-sabotage/

    imho, the clarity is not sufficient still for very stable built foundation to appear, but enough for the technical pipe accident to dismiss in that place were investigation samples were taken;)

    , @A123
    @German_reader


    the presence of explosives was confirmed long ago, it was definitely sabotage:
     
    A secretive Swedish source *CLAIMED* they found explosive residue. But they provided no physical evidence. If a tube was cut by a charge... Show the cut pipe to the public. Let true industry experts (not Swedish bureaucrats) evaluate it.

    Why will they not do that? Could it be that the physical evidence does not match the European disinformation operation?

    Why do you automatically assume that EU governments are telling the truth? Do you believe what the EU says about migration? Apply that same skepticism to the EU's unsupported NordStream allegations.

    Do you trust Scholz and his compatriots so much that you feel you must give them the benefit of the doubt?

    PEACE 😇

  328. @sudden death
    @German_reader

    The point is people are building grand theories based on who whispered or printed something about potential planing, while pretending to have a clue about the very basic simple foundation. And that simple "known" foundation for those grand theories is not known at all - still no any whispers or printings, not even to mention official data, about whether traces of explosives were found in the pipes or not and what is the initial physical character of bursts - from inside or outside the pipes?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard

    The investigation is top secret.

    What other data does your galaxy brain need as input?

  329. Zeihan put out this funny video about Brazilian wheat:

    [MORE]

    Maybe, it could become a big thing in parts of the world, but, of course, he seems very blank-slatist about Africa.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    I vowed to never watch any more of his stupid videos. In my opinion, if one is reasonably intelligent watching his content makes you dumber. His rhetorical style may give some insight into what works with Gen-X, but you should get that from one video to minimize your brain damage.

    I would be shocked if he were not highly "blank-slatist" on Africa.

    Replies: @songbird

  330. Rumor is that YouTube has started their initial, experimental campaign to block adblocker.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    If it works I will begin my final production campaign to block youtube.

    On Rumble I saw this video on

    Las Vegas Mass Shooting = Assassination attempt on Saudi crown prince distraction cover

    https://rumble.com/v27n60e-rte-discussions-21-las-vegas-shooting-w-john-cullen.html

    It's not too bad!

    Replies: @QCIC

  331. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC
    @A123

    Mr. A123, it is starting to look like you are the official disinformation cover story for the demolition. Do you write sluggo letters to the editors of the major news rags?

    It is a good sign that the West is setting the Ukies up as the fall guy. This may be a hint the West is going into damage control mode and preparing to move to greener pastures.

    Replies: @A123

    Why is it so hard to believe that “Blame America” is the European Empire’s disinfo?

    • Have you seen our Veggie-in-Chief?
    • Do you remember Gen. SJW Milley’s failed Afghanistan withdrawal?
    • How about the recent Discord document dump that included information so sensitive it was marked No Foreign [NOFORN]?

    It is very disturbing that anyone believes America has — the agency to direct this, the competence to execute, and the ability to keep it a secret.

    ========
        ARE
        YOU
    KIDDING
         ME
         ???
    ========

    America does not stride the earth as a diety given form & substance. Forget about it.

    PEACE 😇

     

  332. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    I'm not sure what your point is, the presence of explosives was confirmed long ago, it was definitely sabotage:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/18/gross-sabotage-traces-of-explosives-found-at-sites-of-nord-stream-gas-leaks
    Not going to look for more since I'm now going to bed, but everything I've seen so far indicates the pipes were destroyed with explosive charges planted on the outside. If they had been destroyed from the inside, one could tell from the debris and it would be public knowledge, since it would make Russia the top (in fact probably the only) suspect.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123

    Thanx for the link, really managed to miss the most obvious confirmation from the official investigator, lol

    Anyway, still not clear from the text what is the vector of the blast and what are the mentioned objects and were they collected from all damage points? Could be the pieces of the metal pipe or some sea rocks around/below the damaged pipes? Or both?

    The only latest thing could quickly find was about the same from same person on 04/2023, but nothing more adding to the clarity:

    Previously, the investigation has been able to confirm that this is a case concerning gross sabotage. Analyses from objects seized during the crime scene investigations show traces of explosives on several of the foreign objects which were examined.

    https://www.aklagare.se/en/media/press-releases/2023/april/still-unclear-who-is-behind-gross-sabotage/

    imho, the clarity is not sufficient still for very stable built foundation to appear, but enough for the technical pipe accident to dismiss in that place were investigation samples were taken;)

  333. QCIC says:
    @songbird
    Zeihan put out this funny video about Brazilian wheat:
    https://youtu.be/HKvT7OS-lbU

    Maybe, it could become a big thing in parts of the world, but, of course, he seems very blank-slatist about Africa.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I vowed to never watch any more of his stupid videos. In my opinion, if one is reasonably intelligent watching his content makes you dumber. His rhetorical style may give some insight into what works with Gen-X, but you should get that from one video to minimize your brain damage.

    I would be shocked if he were not highly “blank-slatist” on Africa.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC

    On first exposure, when I only recall him talking about Middle Eastern oil, I found him quite boring.

    But currently, I find him amusing in small doses. His sometimes radical pronouncements and American-triumphalism (in the face of obvious decline) appeal to my sense of humor.

    Additionally, I feel like he must represent a common mindset in Washington. Perhaps, "geostrategists" are like economists, and dominated by one political mindset.

    Replies: @QCIC

  334. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @sudden death

    I'm not sure what your point is, the presence of explosives was confirmed long ago, it was definitely sabotage:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/18/gross-sabotage-traces-of-explosives-found-at-sites-of-nord-stream-gas-leaks
    Not going to look for more since I'm now going to bed, but everything I've seen so far indicates the pipes were destroyed with explosive charges planted on the outside. If they had been destroyed from the inside, one could tell from the debris and it would be public knowledge, since it would make Russia the top (in fact probably the only) suspect.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123

    the presence of explosives was confirmed long ago, it was definitely sabotage:

    A secretive Swedish source *CLAIMED* they found explosive residue. But they provided no physical evidence. If a tube was cut by a charge… Show the cut pipe to the public. Let true industry experts (not Swedish bureaucrats) evaluate it.

    Why will they not do that? Could it be that the physical evidence does not match the European disinformation operation?

    Why do you automatically assume that EU governments are telling the truth? Do you believe what the EU says about migration? Apply that same skepticism to the EU’s unsupported NordStream allegations.

    Do you trust Scholz and his compatriots so much that you feel you must give them the benefit of the doubt?

    PEACE 😇

  335. @songbird
    Rumor is that YouTube has started their initial, experimental campaign to block adblocker.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    If it works I will begin my final production campaign to block youtube.

    On Rumble I saw this video on

    Las Vegas Mass Shooting = Assassination attempt on Saudi crown prince distraction cover

    https://rumble.com/v27n60e-rte-discussions-21-las-vegas-shooting-w-john-cullen.html

    It’s not too bad!

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Way too slow. What was significant about the Saudi Prince?

    Did he explain why the same crisis actors showed up in LA?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  336. @Yahya
    @Mr. XYZ


    Is Dmitry an Israeli citizen? Because if he would have immigrated to Israel other with his quarter-Jewish parent (his other parent can also come to Israel as well if the two of them are still married), then he could have acquired Israeli citizenship, I think. It’s still not too late for him to do this, hopefully.
     
    I believe Dmitry already is an Israeli citizen.

    Demonstrates the ridiculousness of Israeli citizenship laws tbh.

    If his only Jewish ancestor is a great-grandparent, then he is less than 7% Middle Eastern by ancestry.

    Yet gets to acquire citizenship and have right to residence in Israel.

    Meanwhile Palestinians are barred from visiting the land of their grandparents.

    Because apparently Palestinians come from Arabia and aren’t really native to the area.

    But Dmitry and other Russians with 7% Levantine ancestry are.

    LMAO.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The argument against a Palestinian right of return is that Palestinians could subsequently end up persecuting Israeli Jews once they will acquire power for themselves. Even a power-sharing agreement isn’t guaranteed to permanently survive since there could be a military coup or something by the Palestinians later on.

    I do agree with you that, morally speaking, the Palestinians should get a right of return to their ancestral homeland. (I’d say the same thing for the descendants of post-WWII expelled Germans, though it’s made easier now due to the EU, I suspect.) It’s just the question of how to square this with the risk of renewed Jewish persecution–not necessarily immediately, but eventually. And giving Palestinians permanent residence rights in Israel but not citizenship, voting rights, or social safety net access would just create a hereditary caste system that the Palestinians would not be willing to tolerate over the long-run and is thus likely to result in huge social unrest and possibly in a giant Palestinian terrorism wave (or more than one) in Israel sooner or later.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    Palestinians should get a right of return to their ancestral homeland.
     
    Non-Palestinian religionists (Muslims) have the right to return to their return to their ancestral religious homelands such as Arabia, Persia, etc...

    If you frame the question correctly, based on religion, you can reach a viable solution. Compensated and honourable return to ancestral religious homelands is potentially a highly effective concept. Forcing the non-Palestinian religion of Islam on Palestine has failed.

    Why not consider more productive options?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  337. @German_reader
    @sudden death


    about whether traces of explosives were found in the pipes or not and what is the character of bursts – from inside or outside the pipes?
     
    Seriously, now you're going with this bs that explosives may have been inside the pipes, just so you can cling to the idea that it must have been Russia? Nothing like this has been mentioned in the reports about the investigation, everything that is known points to sabotage from outside. Which might of course still have been done by Russia, it's just that other scenarios look far more likely (which despite all the skirting around the key issues has essentially even been admitted in Western mainstream media by now).

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. XYZ

    FWIW, Greg Cochran (gcochran99 on Twitter) apparently believes that the Ukrainians were the ones who blew up Nord Stream 2. Greg Cochran is pro-Ukraine, FWIW.

  338. @QCIC
    @songbird

    I vowed to never watch any more of his stupid videos. In my opinion, if one is reasonably intelligent watching his content makes you dumber. His rhetorical style may give some insight into what works with Gen-X, but you should get that from one video to minimize your brain damage.

    I would be shocked if he were not highly "blank-slatist" on Africa.

    Replies: @songbird

    On first exposure, when I only recall him talking about Middle Eastern oil, I found him quite boring.

    But currently, I find him amusing in small doses. His sometimes radical pronouncements and American-triumphalism (in the face of obvious decline) appeal to my sense of humor.

    Additionally, I feel like he must represent a common mindset in Washington. Perhaps, “geostrategists” are like economists, and dominated by one political mindset.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    I liked his triumphalism because it is not as depressing as the real world. On the other hand he says shallow retarded things about Russia, China and pretty much everything else IIRC.

    He correctly emphasizes global supply chains, but I don't think he gets it right. I don't remember the details.

    Replies: @Matra

  339. @AP
    @Mikel


    Running in the wild is probably the most natural movement to the human body. It is what evolution designed us for
     
    True, but we were not designed to run regularly. Our pre-agricultural ancestors were not running every day or even every week. Running down prey was not a regular occurrence. Doing so takes a toll on the body; regular walking and hiking are more natural and healthier.

    In terms of hiking shoes, I find the Italian (South Tyrolean) brand La Sportiva to be ideal, for people with narrow feet.,

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    People who are fat but otherwise healthy (being fat does not *have to* result in being unhealthy; there’s a correlation between these two things, but there are people who are exceptions to the general trend/rule here) could I think significantly benefit from regular walking exercise. Running would probably be too much and too intense for them, especially for a long period of time.

  340. @Greasy William
    I am seriously confused by these EE right wingers who are backing Ukraine. I can understand why right wing Ukrainians back their government (even though I personally would enthusiastically collaborate with a Russian invasion of the USA) but why are right wing Poles and Balts supporting Ukraine? Don't they see that the West is only funding and supplying this war to spread LGBT?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sleep

    I think Russia is perceived as the greater enemy. They would rather yield to America’s cultural power than to Russia’s military power. Put another way …. there are a lot of countries in the world which I would happily give cultural influence over the United States, but I wouldn’t want them gaining military or economic influence over the United States, simply because they would have no incentive whatsoever to give any concessions to America.

  341. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya

    The argument against a Palestinian right of return is that Palestinians could subsequently end up persecuting Israeli Jews once they will acquire power for themselves. Even a power-sharing agreement isn't guaranteed to permanently survive since there could be a military coup or something by the Palestinians later on.

    I do agree with you that, morally speaking, the Palestinians should get a right of return to their ancestral homeland. (I'd say the same thing for the descendants of post-WWII expelled Germans, though it's made easier now due to the EU, I suspect.) It's just the question of how to square this with the risk of renewed Jewish persecution--not necessarily immediately, but eventually. And giving Palestinians permanent residence rights in Israel but not citizenship, voting rights, or social safety net access would just create a hereditary caste system that the Palestinians would not be willing to tolerate over the long-run and is thus likely to result in huge social unrest and possibly in a giant Palestinian terrorism wave (or more than one) in Israel sooner or later.

    Replies: @A123

    Palestinians should get a right of return to their ancestral homeland.

    Non-Palestinian religionists (Muslims) have the right to return to their return to their ancestral religious homelands such as Arabia, Persia, etc…

    If you frame the question correctly, based on religion, you can reach a viable solution. Compensated and honourable return to ancestral religious homelands is potentially a highly effective concept. Forcing the non-Palestinian religion of Islam on Palestine has failed.

    Why not consider more productive options?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @A123

    I would presume that a lot of Palestinian Muslims have at least some local pre-Islamic descent, even if these locals converted to Islam fairly early on, no?

    Having Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, give a right of return to Muslims worldwide sounds epic, but the problem is that isn't its economy primarily dependent on natural resources? So, it would have to share its wealth much more extensively. Though I suppose that it could aggressively fund gene editing, gene therapies, AI, and IVF plus embryo selection for desirable traits/genes for future generations in order to support voluntary eugenics and thus make this a more viable long-term solution.

    Replies: @A123

  342. @songbird
    @QCIC

    On first exposure, when I only recall him talking about Middle Eastern oil, I found him quite boring.

    But currently, I find him amusing in small doses. His sometimes radical pronouncements and American-triumphalism (in the face of obvious decline) appeal to my sense of humor.

    Additionally, I feel like he must represent a common mindset in Washington. Perhaps, "geostrategists" are like economists, and dominated by one political mindset.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I liked his triumphalism because it is not as depressing as the real world. On the other hand he says shallow retarded things about Russia, China and pretty much everything else IIRC.

    He correctly emphasizes global supply chains, but I don’t think he gets it right. I don’t remember the details.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Matra
    @QCIC

    Zeihan is a salesman who knows his audience.

    If China is still one country in 2030 do you think he'll pack it in and admit he was wrong? Maybe by then he'll have laughed all his way to the bank and just won't care.

    Replies: @Sean

  343. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    If it works I will begin my final production campaign to block youtube.

    On Rumble I saw this video on

    Las Vegas Mass Shooting = Assassination attempt on Saudi crown prince distraction cover

    https://rumble.com/v27n60e-rte-discussions-21-las-vegas-shooting-w-john-cullen.html

    It's not too bad!

    Replies: @QCIC

    Way too slow. What was significant about the Saudi Prince?

    Did he explain why the same crisis actors showed up in LA?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC


    What was significant about the Saudi Prince?
     
    When the king dies he will be the richest man in the world. If he can keep it.

    Did he explain why the same crisis actors showed up in LA?
     
    Crisis actors not covered. His logic is:

    A. No motive has been presented for the Paddock story
    B. This motive fits the facts that can be documented.

    One interesting claim which I don't know the veracity of is that Khashogi's execution in the Turkish embassy happened within an hour of the exact one year anniversary of the Las Vegas mass shooting.

    Replies: @QCIC

  344. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I don’t recall what I wrote about Moldova, but what happens there depends on the West, Romania, Ukraine and Russia. If Moldova can find a neutral stance which has some vague credibility with those players neutrality can probably work.

    Moldova was scheduled for invasion and was only stopped by Ukraine resisting the dictator's war.

    Lukashenko even leaked the plans to invade Moldova on live television:
    https://thehill.com/policy/international/596409-belarus-president-stands-in-front-of-battle-map-indicating-moldova/

    So blaming the West makes zero sense. Putin was going to expand the empire by gobbling up non-NATO former Soviet bloc countries. The Baltics would undoubtedly have been on the list if not for NATO protection. The Russians still speak of the Baltics as belonging to them. They have a Russian minority which Putin would have used as a BS excuse of protecting them.

    Russia invades a neighboring country ever 30-50 years. They didn't stop with the USSR. Not a single country in the USSR had a majority that wanted to be part of Communism. Hungary tried to leave as an independent Socialist Republic and Moscow responded with tanks which meant the entire structure was a lie. Russians have been invading and lying about the reasons since they were a vassal state for Mongols. Invading is in their blood. Let's also not forget that they invaded Afghanistan with the goal of propping up a Communist minority.

    Replies: @Sean, @Ennui

    So open ended support for Ukraine ought to be common sense to prevent more and wider wars as well as morally mandated? Retired Nato generals Hodges and Hertling would when serving in the Cold War and under Warsaw Pact conventional attack have, in accordance with doctrine, asked to go nuclear were Nato to be collapsing conventionally (as they were expected to soon be doing). So why are they so confident Russian generals would not obey orders to use or not request theatre thermonuclear use if being defeated? Their confidence may be for PR or psychological purposes, yet may get a stone rolling that will gather enough poisoned mass media moss to put their theories to the ultimate test.

    Attacking US satellites or Western infrastructure would be a far greater escalation than using nuclear weapons on the Ukrainian army. Russia and Ukraine are at war after all! Isn’t the autocratic system what is believed by the Kremlin to belding the RusFed together, and with the impending fall of that system would the Kremlin not be likely to foresee instant disintegration? And so the likelihood of the Russian state facing what they would see as an immediate existential emergency threat in the aftermath of being driven out of Crimea is precisely the reason that America dare not help Ukraine inflict a defeat of such magnitude on Russia. It is irresponsible for retired general to encourage Western publics and the leadership of Ukraine into thinking into thinking that Russians are scared to do what Nato generals would have done if losing conventionally. And once that Rubicon was crossed against the Ukrainian army, none can say what might follow.

    This is why the West is not going to get into a nuclear war with Russia over anything it does in Ukraine. So can you beat up a man who has a loaded gun on him? To a certain extent perhaps, but at some point his survival instinct will take over. Are we looking to find out when that will be for Russia? Why are we not putting our foot on Russia’s neck and pressing down? Because we don’t dare, you silly fellow.

  345. @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    Palestinians should get a right of return to their ancestral homeland.
     
    Non-Palestinian religionists (Muslims) have the right to return to their return to their ancestral religious homelands such as Arabia, Persia, etc...

    If you frame the question correctly, based on religion, you can reach a viable solution. Compensated and honourable return to ancestral religious homelands is potentially a highly effective concept. Forcing the non-Palestinian religion of Islam on Palestine has failed.

    Why not consider more productive options?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I would presume that a lot of Palestinian Muslims have at least some local pre-Islamic descent, even if these locals converted to Islam fairly early on, no?

    Having Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, give a right of return to Muslims worldwide sounds epic, but the problem is that isn’t its economy primarily dependent on natural resources? So, it would have to share its wealth much more extensively. Though I suppose that it could aggressively fund gene editing, gene therapies, AI, and IVF plus embryo selection for desirable traits/genes for future generations in order to support voluntary eugenics and thus make this a more viable long-term solution.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    I would presume that a lot of Palestinian Muslims have at least some local pre-Islamic descent, even if these locals converted to Islam fairly early on, no?
     
    The locals chose to repudiate their Palestinian roots and converted to the Arabian religion of Islam, yes?

    Perhaps a limited number could stay by openly abjuring the non-Palestinian religion of Muhammad the Settler Prophet. However, that would be tens, maybe hundreds at the most. Sincere conversion is quite rare. Are you advocating "forced conversion"?

    Having Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, give a right of return to Muslims worldwide
     
    No worldwide grant by Apartheid Arabia is needed to solve the issue of Muslim Occupied Judea & Samaria [MOJS]. We are talking about a few million non-Palestinians, the descendants of colonial religious conversion. Some could go to other locations such as Persia/Iran, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. Wherever their non-Palestinian Prophet wants them to go.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  346. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. XYZ
    @A123

    I would presume that a lot of Palestinian Muslims have at least some local pre-Islamic descent, even if these locals converted to Islam fairly early on, no?

    Having Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, give a right of return to Muslims worldwide sounds epic, but the problem is that isn't its economy primarily dependent on natural resources? So, it would have to share its wealth much more extensively. Though I suppose that it could aggressively fund gene editing, gene therapies, AI, and IVF plus embryo selection for desirable traits/genes for future generations in order to support voluntary eugenics and thus make this a more viable long-term solution.

    Replies: @A123

    I would presume that a lot of Palestinian Muslims have at least some local pre-Islamic descent, even if these locals converted to Islam fairly early on, no?

    The locals chose to repudiate their Palestinian roots and converted to the Arabian religion of Islam, yes?

    Perhaps a limited number could stay by openly abjuring the non-Palestinian religion of Muhammad the Settler Prophet. However, that would be tens, maybe hundreds at the most. Sincere conversion is quite rare. Are you advocating “forced conversion”?

    Having Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, give a right of return to Muslims worldwide

    No worldwide grant by Apartheid Arabia is needed to solve the issue of Muslim Occupied Judea & Samaria [MOJS]. We are talking about a few million non-Palestinians, the descendants of colonial religious conversion. Some could go to other locations such as Persia/Iran, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. Wherever their non-Palestinian Prophet wants them to go.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @A123


    The locals chose to repudiate their Palestinian roots and converted to the Arabian religion of Islam, yes?

    Perhaps a limited number could stay by openly abjuring the non-Palestinian religion of Muhammad the Settler Prophet. However, that would be tens, maybe hundreds at the most. Sincere conversion is quite rare. Are you advocating “forced conversion”?
     
    So, should Christian Europeans get expelled from Europe for embracing a non-European religion (Christianity was founded in the Middle East by a Jew) unless they agree to embrace atheism, agnosticism, Deism, and/or Greco-Roman paganism?

    Replies: @A123

  347. On the US government funded RFERL Power Vertical podcast this week, a big deal was made out of Tucker Carlson not being on cable news speaking to Middle America every night. They said Carlson made GOP politicians wary of supporting more American interventionism so it was a big relief to see the back of him – the one and only OTT broadcast show that was raising questions about US foreign policy.

    Today the intro to Carlson’s new Twitter show came out. Ukraine & how the media keeps the American people ignorant is the topic. He’s right to compare the USA of today to the old USSR.

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: QCIC, Mikel
  348. @QCIC
    @songbird

    I liked his triumphalism because it is not as depressing as the real world. On the other hand he says shallow retarded things about Russia, China and pretty much everything else IIRC.

    He correctly emphasizes global supply chains, but I don't think he gets it right. I don't remember the details.

    Replies: @Matra

    Zeihan is a salesman who knows his audience.

    If China is still one country in 2030 do you think he’ll pack it in and admit he was wrong? Maybe by then he’ll have laughed all his way to the bank and just won’t care.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Matra

    His demographic 'use the big army because you are about to lose' rationale for Russia going to war is very similar to what 'Spengler' was saying about Iran a decade or so years ago

    Something pretty unpleasant is going to happen to America before China is on the point of collapse.

    When Ukraine became a separate country it got sovereignty, but gave up the right be assumed to be no threat to Russia either now or in the future.

    Replies: @Matra

  349. A123 says: • Website

    IslamoGloboHomo strikes again: (1)

    🏳️‍🌈 Pride Token 🏳️‍🌈

    Hot take: We should take our Pride cues from Muhammad, who was an OG ally to the LGBTQ+ community

    Combating Homophobia: Lessons from Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) taught us the importance of love and compassion towards all people, regardless of their sexual orientation. This Pride Month, let’s explore his teachings and how they can guide us

     

    How many days are left in Gay Muslim Pride Month?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/06/06/hot-take-we-should-take-our-pride-cues-from-muhammad-who-was-an-og-ally-to-the-lgbtq-community/

    • LOL: Yahya
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    OT

    Hey Sluggo,

    Tucker has a zinger just for you:

    "Your average goat herder in Tajikistan knows who blew up the Nordstream pipeline [Ukraine]."

    LOL

  350. @Matra
    @QCIC

    Zeihan is a salesman who knows his audience.

    If China is still one country in 2030 do you think he'll pack it in and admit he was wrong? Maybe by then he'll have laughed all his way to the bank and just won't care.

    Replies: @Sean

    His demographic ‘use the big army because you are about to lose’ rationale for Russia going to war is very similar to what ‘Spengler’ was saying about Iran a decade or so years ago

    Something pretty unpleasant is going to happen to America before China is on the point of collapse.

    When Ukraine became a separate country it got sovereignty, but gave up the right be assumed to be no threat to Russia either now or in the future.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Sean

    His demographic ‘use the big army because you are about to lose’ rationale for Russia going to war is very similar to what ‘Spengler’ was saying about Iran a decade or so years ago

    I remember that. Since you brought him up, I recall in one of those Asia Times columns, around the same time, Goldman/Spengler warning that if the US tried to corner Russia over Ukraine it would lead to a closer Russian/Iranian relationship, which for an Israel Firster like Goldman, would not be good at all. That looks like it has come to pass. (Goldman/Spengler is more positive than Zeihan regarding China's prospects)

  351. Israel I said I’m Jewish.. it feels like this is a sensitive question for you or even that you’re trying to conceal something. But whatever, I’ll drop it now and I won’t mention it again..

    It’s not a sensitive question to ask about those questions, although don’t ask Russians about additional citizenship in the current situation.

    In Israel, I don’t and couldn’t say I’m Jewish, not only because it would be lying. When the airport staff ask if am Jewish, you answer “no”. If you say “yes”, you will have to answer questions about your religious festivals etc. In the government office, they will view this as immigration fraud.

    But I could be able to say I’m Jewish roots people to the third generation. Which is supported with evidence. I have documented Jewish roots in the third generation. But that is a different category. My friends in Israel are all from the similar category.

    how Jewish you “feel” or “identify as,” because that’s what I’m more interested in.

    It’s an objective category, not a feeling category. It’s like going to groups of doctors and saying “I feel like a doctor”. Israelis accept this not more than doctors.

    As for how I feel, I’m not part of the Russians with Jewish roots who has interaction with the Jewish community, romantic feeling about Jewish history, knowledge of festivals etc. I’m also not interested about my family’s history, family’s roots etc. My interest in my ancestors, is almost 0.

    Nobody in family except myself, has interest about Israel or visit Israel and when I was a child we visited for vacation in the Mediterranean only Greece, Italy and Spain.

    Why I’m interested in Israel? It’s personal, going alone when still young, but without family. When young, being alone, heat, exotic places and making friends with everyone in the same situation and motivation to avoid certain thing in the home country. That was romantic for me and I’m already old enough, all those memories from youth have a very warm halo.

    I’m also interested in the ancient Mediterranean history and religions, Mediterranean land, ancient ruins. In terms of the ancient world, I’m more interested in Greece and Rome, although probably because of visiting ruins there when still a child.

    Also I can sound negative talking about topics like “Israeli gopniks”, but it’s not a negative connotation or any criticism by myself of Israel. I don’t criticize as country Israel. It’s just some of the authentic interesting topics relative to this forum. For example, Yahya believes Egypt has no hope because of having too many rednecks.

    undergo completely insincere sham conversions for the purpose of marriage who call themselves Jewish

    If you want to be deported for immigration fraud and they would likely give bans for visiting as a tourist.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    Yahya believes Egypt has no hope because of having too many rednecks.
     
    Yahya does not believe this.

    He thinks the present conditions unfortunately do not allow for Egyptian development, but that there could be hope for Egypt in the future, if a hard-headed, rational, and elitist ruling class in the mold of Singapore’s PAP or Plato’s Philosopher Kings comes to power. As I wrote in my response to Mr. XYZ, Egypt possesses a moderately sizable smart fraction of 1.2-2 million individuals. They can be employed as a base for the genetic and culutral bourgeosification of Egyptian society. This is the path which was undertaken in Great Britain throughout the Middle Ages, as was documented in Gregory Clark’s Farewell To Alms.


    https://i.ibb.co/ChvpVWQ/8-A560690-8259-4-BEC-A6-EF-BBF96-BBEBAFE.jpg


    Demographic compositions can shift fairly substantially in just one generation. In 17th century Suffolk for example, testators with wealth of less than £10 and those who left no will were 65 percent of the first generation. But their sons constituted only 53 percent of the next generation. Testators with wealth of more than £500 were 8 percent of the initial generation. Their sons were 13 percent of the next generation. Duplicate this process multiple times over the span of 5-6 generations, and the impact on society will be substantial.

    Plato understood the importance of the mating process better than most contemporary academics. He writes in The Republic:


    ‘So we need to ask how to maximize this contribution of theirs. Now, Glaucon, I’ve seen lots of hunting dogs and fine birds” in your house, so I wonder whether you’ve noticed a particular aspect of their mating and procreation.’
    ‘What?’ he asked.
    ‘The main point is this. Isn’t it true that although they’re all pedigree creatures, some of them prove to be exceptionally good?’
    ‘Yes.’
    ‘So do you breed from all of them indiscriminately, or do you take care to choose the outstanding ones as much as possible?’ ‘I choose the outstanding ones.’
     

    ‘It follows from our conclusions so far that sex should preferably take place between men and women who are outstandingly good, and should occur as little as possible between men and women of a vastly inferior stamp. It also follows that the offspring of the first group should be brought up, while the offspring of the second group shouldn’t. This is how to maximize the potential of our flock. And the fact that all this is happening should be concealed from everyone except the rulers themselves, if the herd of guardians is to be as free as possible from conflict.’* ‘You’re quite right,’ he said.
     
    This is the critical ingredient to development: human capital formation. But please do not delude yourself into thinking that “education” will magically transform Boobus Egypticus into Pericles or Aristotle. As the clear-sighted Socrates wisely notes, mating should “preferably take place between men and women who are outstandingly good, and should occur as little as possible between men and women of a vastly inferior stamp”, so as to “maximize the potential of [the] flock”. In more localized terms, the Primus Egypticus will need to be encouraged to procreate more abundantly than the Boobus Egypticus.

    More of this:

    https://youtu.be/UUYHf6ENKxo

    And less of this:

    https://youtu.be/BbruzUGtsDI

    It will require sacrifice on behalf of the masses, and hard-headedness on behalf of the elites. The chances of these two conditions coalescing is infinitesimale, although the example of Indira Ghandi and the CCP do provide a glimmer of hope. A more class-based population control policy will need to be implemented though, and that would require a Lee Kuan Yew-tier philosopher king.

    And as a reminder, Ancient Greece hosted the greatest concentration of human capital in world history. We ought to listen more to Plato and less to the economists.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

  352. @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Way too slow. What was significant about the Saudi Prince?

    Did he explain why the same crisis actors showed up in LA?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    What was significant about the Saudi Prince?

    When the king dies he will be the richest man in the world. If he can keep it.

    Did he explain why the same crisis actors showed up in LA?

    Crisis actors not covered. His logic is:

    A. No motive has been presented for the Paddock story
    B. This motive fits the facts that can be documented.

    One interesting claim which I don’t know the veracity of is that Khashogi’s execution in the Turkish embassy happened within an hour of the exact one year anniversary of the Las Vegas mass shooting.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The Vegas shooting was interesting in that it seemed to polarize "conspiracy-minded" folks more than usual (I mean open minded, thoughtful people). I guess that means there were a number of contradictory threads and most people feel obligated to pick which ones to accept.

    The Khashogi thing sounded pretty fake. He is probably hanging out somewhere with Epstein.

  353. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJemA-eviU&ab_channel=JeffersonJukebox

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    “My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, and hard music.”

    ― Vladmir Nabakov, Strong Opinions, Edited

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  354. @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    The talk about the UFO in USSR had culminated during the Perestroika, although it was often discussed before in a non official manner. During the final couple of years of the Soviet Union, there were so many UFO sightings that it seemed like it happened every week or at least every month in different parts of the country.
     
    If a person checks the nightly news logs of the big three US networks at the time, this was reported in the US too, and not in any mocking fashion. It was reported straight, in at least that the Russians themselves were reporting it as if these things were happening, or they believed they were actually happening.

    The two that got a lot of coverage in the US were the 1989 Voronezh park sightings, though the Wiki entry (not the best source, admittedly) doesn't make it out to be that impressive and kind of questionable...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh_UFO_incident

    And the alleged 1984 Salyut 7 Cosmonaut 'winged angel' sightings, which now doesn't even rate a Wiki entry, and no mention positive or negative, at all on the Wiki Salyut 7 entry, which is not a good sign as to the veracity of the reports.

    While I think there probably is extraterrestrial life, I'm less certain if they've actually visited the Earth, and am leery of the context of the present day promotion of the subject, as someone could fake the entire thing for their own cynical geo-political ends. [Yes, lie about it.]

    Anyone have any comments about the Voronezh and Salyut 7 alleged sightings?


    https://youtu.be/UVml9jDBfyk

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

    A problem in the Soviet time, is there are so many historical secrets, so trying to understand these stories becomes even more confusing than in the Western countries.

    For example, we are talking about the destruction of the dam today.

    But in 1961, in Kiev/Kyiv collapsed a dam because of engineers’ mistakes, which had maybe killed more than a thousand people. But the estimate for such high numbers is only a result of the postsoviet Ukrainian government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurenivka_mudslide

    • Thanks: S
  355. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    It took me three years to accustom myself to zero-rise enough to finally prefer it. Altra is definitely the gateway drug. The last time I tried to find New Balance Minimus I could not. Right now I run with Xero but only on a track. Running on trail is not something that I find to be fun.

    For hiking I use the Vivo barefoot more often than the Altra.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool

  356. @AP
    @Mikel


    Running in the wild is probably the most natural movement to the human body. It is what evolution designed us for
     
    True, but we were not designed to run regularly. Our pre-agricultural ancestors were not running every day or even every week. Running down prey was not a regular occurrence. Doing so takes a toll on the body; regular walking and hiking are more natural and healthier.

    In terms of hiking shoes, I find the Italian (South Tyrolean) brand La Sportiva to be ideal, for people with narrow feet.,

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    True, but we were not designed to run regularly.

    I think we were, actually. Just watch a documentary showing how the Khoisan and other hunter-gatherers in Africa spend their lives. The Khoisan in particular sometimes spend all day running in groups to encircle their prey. You just can’t hunt wild animals by walking placidly in nature. Our ancestors needed to run and sprint all the time in all kinds of terrain.

    But conditions must have varied from one place to another. Our Ice Age ancestors in Europe probably spent more time in caves and refuges than their tropical counterparts but the need for food was constant and the means to preserve it rudimentary. I guess they needed to keep hunting in all seasons. Females, on the other hand, did roam around gathering other types of food, which in modern HG societies is often the main source of calories.

    regular walking and hiking are more natural and healthier.

    I don’t think so. There is a strong relationship between VO2 max and overall health. But whatever makes one feel good is probably the best for each individual. I get into an optimal mental state after a vigorous run uphill to one of my favorite lookouts followed by a slow hike down enjoying the landscape. But I know that some other people prefer a workout in the gym, jogging on flat terrain or even not doing any exercise. As Pope Francis would say, who am I to judge?

    I find the Italian (South Tyrolean) brand La Sportiva to be ideal

    It’s difficult to go wrong with La Sportiva. They’ve been in the business for generations. My summer hiking shoes are that brand too. But these days one must be careful with the low end versions of all brands. Apparently, there’s not enough money to be made with technical apparel and they all cater to the casual wear segment.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    "True, but we were not designed to run regularly."

    I think we were, actually. Just watch a documentary showing how the Khoisan and other hunter-gatherers in Africa spend their lives. The Khoisan in particular sometimes spend all day running in groups to encircle their prey.
     

    I was thinking about just that when I wrote my comment. It was not a lot of running but a lot of (brisk) walking and tracking. They would exhaust the prey not by running it down but by keeping in constant movement, never letting it rest, tracking and following over several days until it collapses. Other animals would be hit with a poison arrow and then tracked and followed for a few days until the poison and exhaustion do their job. We are not like lions or wolves, we are unique in that we can walk briskly for days without resting much.

    https://i.imgur.com/RoK0iKp.png

    And they would not hunt constantly. They would catch the prey, then relax and not do much for days. A large prey animal such as a giraffe could feed a band of people for weeks.

    https://i.imgur.com/TUiLU4O.png

    Smaller animals were probably caught more frequently. These were caught in traps or snares; bushmen would walk a lot to inspect them.


    Our Ice Age ancestors in Europe probably spent more time in caves and refuges than their tropical counterparts but the need for food was constant and the means to preserve it rudimentary
     
    It would be similar, though large prey could feed people for a very long time (I imagine a mammoth could last a month). In warm months it was preserved by drying, in winter it could just be frozen.

    But whatever makes one feel good is probably the best for each individual
     
    Sure, I was just pointing out that we are built for walking a lot (many hours daily, which is hard to do in modern society) more than we are built for running or sprinting. Chronic runners often develop knee and other problems. Walkers don't.

    To each his own, of course. Running is still better than being sedentary, and I suppose if one does not have time for long walks quick bursts will do. Aesthetically, I find that a walk is much more immersive of a natural experience than running.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @silviosilver, @Mikel

  357. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    Ukrainian “counter-offensive” started yesterday
     
    Strelkov's opinion for comparison:

    Having analyzed the various incoming messages from the battle sites in the Volnovakh direction - it is permissible to conclude that (based on the number of forces engaged by the enemy) - if these attacks are part of a planned offensive, then it is either a relatively large-scale reconnaissance battle, or an auxiliary or diversionary strike.

    No more than one motorized infantry battalion was introduced into the battle in any of the areas where the enemy is attacking. On some sections - 1-2 companies reinforced by tanks or even less.
    If the enemy is trying to attack precisely here and now, then his attacks are of an exclusively tactical nature.
     
    https://t.me/strelkovii/5273

    Replies: @Sean, @Philip Owen

    Agree.

    There will be efforts to drag the Russian reserves from place to place until they bunch up and leave large gaps.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Philip Owen

    Mines are not talked about enough. There are far to many multi triggered sophisticated minefields laid by the Russians for attacking through them at random place to place to be economical .The Russians are not going to play 'whack a mole' .


    Instead a Ukrainian attack is lightly to proceed by sending successive broad front attacks along the same axis of advance (prolly toward Mauriopol), using low quality units to clear the mines one way or another, and only then and if an exploitable breach is attained will the real Ukrainian assault formations be committed.

  358. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Running on trail is not something that I find to be fun.
     
    Running in the wild is probably the most natural movement to the human body. It is what evolution designed us for, which is why you better let your feet and leg joints move freely. To me it goes well beyond the simple physical benefit of exercise and is part of my mental hygiene routine. My usual route actually goes cross-country most of the time, through game trails and meadows in sparsely forested slopes full of wild deer. But maybe it's just me. Most people here do prefer the concrete trail at the base of the slopes and some of them are clearly more fanatical than me in their running routines. I would just never be able to get the same sensations from running on a track or paved surface.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Ivashka the fool

    I do it for the endorphins and the anandamide. And yeah, it’s best done out of town, even a park in the city doesn’t cut it. Forest trails or overland accross the fields is the best way. On the river sides is great too. Anywhere where you have the least amount of people. Especially so you can have an unleashed dog running along you. The best breed in my opinion is Irish setter, they do enjoy running.

  359. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Well, I just described the most remarkable sighting I ever had. Corroborated by my mom and brother many years after the incident. Although after all these years our memories diverged significantly, which is not surprising. At least, we still all remember that we saw something unusual.

    The other times I saw peculiar lights in the sky, were in a rather wild and forested region where I happened to live for a few years in a small village. There was no light pollution that is usual in the cities and the stary skies were a beautiful sight. When watching them one could often see satellites and planes passing by. But sometimes some lights were harder to classify because of their unusual flying patterns. I used to joke about them being flying saucers. By I frankly have no idea what they were.

    I have never seen anything strange in the desert.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    What was your view if you saw these kinds of discussions on youtube which seem to be from important professionals?

    I guess for most of us who never saw anything interesting in our life that doesn’t follow conventional laws of nature, just need to accept this stage of indeterminacy.

    We could believe people who saw those and also certain authorities, or accept people like you have a good imagination and also the authorities are really trolling us nowadays, or maybe we could say there are a lot of important people with good imaginations.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Well, I do have a good imagination, but I seldom if ever lie, not that I tell everything I could tell about myself or life in general. We all have our secret garden and a right to choose the information we transmit or not to others. I sure respect that right in other people.

    Now, in that particular situation we were three in the car. And more than 30 years later we still remember that we saw something peculiar.

    Although our memories diverged, while my mother simply recalls a light flowing over us, my younger brother (who was aged 9-10 years back then) told me two years ago that it was a sphere or an orb of fire, while I recall the prism or pyramid inside the light, but when I wrote about it yesterday I noticed that I don't recall anymore whether it pointed up or down. Also I was wrong yesterday when I falsely recalled that the sighting was on the left side of the car, it was on the right side, perhaps some 10 km away flying from us towards the horizon in the early morning sky. Then suddenly it came back without making a turn, at a high speed and now I recall that when it passed above us it was eerily silent and yes a few cars around us tried to stop before resuming their way. Yars later, while camping on a mediterranean beach with friends, I saw a small meteorite disintegrating above the sea and falling in the water, there was a noise that was impossible to miss. Therefore, another thing that makes me believe that we saw something artificial that morning is not only the unnatural way it moved (going at an opposite direction at a very sharp angle without turning), but also the fact that it was silent the fraction of time it passed over our car. At least its noise level was low enough for me to hear nothing beside the noises of the car. The windows of the car were closed though. Anyway, bottom line, I don't know what it was or where it came from, but we saw something unusual.

    And yeah, about the authorities, the important people
    having good imagination and the UFOs:

    https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

    I think that might be next distraction after the Covid and the war in Ukraine.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  360. Kiev regime did it:

    https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/06/06/those-dam-russians-now-theyre-flooding-themselves-for-propaganda/

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Mikhail

    No. Extremely unlikely. They would have needed 20 tonnes of explosive like Stalin in 1941.

    My first choice is Russian incompetence. The sluice gate had been in trouble for months. In January the Russians drained the reservoir, perhaps to try and fix it. (or perhaps to set charges - maybe both). They then overfilled the dam with a faulty sluice gate in place. The gate failed and the shock wave caused other parts to fail. Both sides had shelled the structure which gave way at two points.

    It could be that the Russians did try to blow up the dam expecting limited results but the extra water provided a more violent flood than expected. I don't think so but they have track record.

    Moscow 1812
    Stalingrad
    Zaporishshia dam 1941 (Exact parallel)
    North by North West
    Grosny
    Beslan
    Mariupol

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

  361. @John Johnson
    @Philip Owen

    Last night, 3 June was a full moon. A full moon will negate the Ukrainians advantage in night vision (main subject of British training).

    They won't have the same element of surprise but the Russians are using older AK-47s.

    Shoot an AR-15 or AK-47 at twilight or full moon.

    Then try aiming irons at anything in the woods.

    You need a red dot or illuminated scope against a modern force. The AK flash blinds your vision and the irons disappear against anything dark. You have to flare the entire area and I haven't seen a single video where Russians use flares or smoke.

    Any Ukrainians attacking at night will have suppressors. When the Ukrainians send out special forces there will be a lot of quick nighty nights in the trenches.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    I like such confirmation.

    I have night vision googles (Russian, I used to sell them. That’s why the Russian army is short of them). There is, by British standards, a large military traiing area near me. For months, it has been possible to see the laser illuminators in use as the Ukranians have been training. They seem to have done a lot with mortars as well as automatics and rifles (Is sniping possible at night?). I say mortars because they are the most conspicuous litter afterwards – there are public footpaths on the range).

  362. @Philip Owen
    @sudden death

    Agree.

    There will be efforts to drag the Russian reserves from place to place until they bunch up and leave large gaps.

    Replies: @Sean

    Mines are not talked about enough. There are far to many multi triggered sophisticated minefields laid by the Russians for attacking through them at random place to place to be economical .The Russians are not going to play ‘whack a mole’ .

    Instead a Ukrainian attack is lightly to proceed by sending successive broad front attacks along the same axis of advance (prolly toward Mauriopol), using low quality units to clear the mines one way or another, and only then and if an exploitable breach is attained will the real Ukrainian assault formations be committed.

  363. @Mikhail
    Kiev regime did it:

    https://twitter.com/MarkSleboda1/status/1666153688681807883

    https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/06/06/those-dam-russians-now-theyre-flooding-themselves-for-propaganda/

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    No. Extremely unlikely. They would have needed 20 tonnes of explosive like Stalin in 1941.

    My first choice is Russian incompetence. The sluice gate had been in trouble for months. In January the Russians drained the reservoir, perhaps to try and fix it. (or perhaps to set charges – maybe both). They then overfilled the dam with a faulty sluice gate in place. The gate failed and the shock wave caused other parts to fail. Both sides had shelled the structure which gave way at two points.

    It could be that the Russians did try to blow up the dam expecting limited results but the extra water provided a more violent flood than expected. I don’t think so but they have track record.

    Moscow 1812
    Stalingrad
    Zaporishshia dam 1941 (Exact parallel)
    North by North West
    Grosny
    Beslan
    Mariupol

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Philip Owen


    North by North West

     

    Lol, this famous documentary film?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek7T9Gyl_J4

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @Wokechoke
    @Philip Owen

    Counting on the inner Parisian1940 of today’s Muscovy isn’t a good bet.

    , @Philip Owen
    @Philip Owen

    It looks as though I was too kind on the Russians. I thought they were incompetent and didn't meant it. They were clearly malevolent.

    There is no longer ambiguity about the destruction of the Khakhovka dam. NORSAR the Norwegion nuclear test monitoring station recorded a large explosion at 02:54 on the day. Only Russia could have assembled the explosives for a large explosion. It was equivalent to a magnitude 2 earthquake. Link below.

    Sir Derman Christopherson the inventor (Barnes Wallis had the concept, Christopherson made it work) of the bouncing bomb used by the British for destroying dams was my hydraulics lecturer. He talked about the problems of bombing a dam. Mostly he mentioned the huge amount of testing it needed. Bombing a dam takes many tonnes of explosive delivered with great precision to the water side of the time. The explosion then works with the water pressure and is amplified by reaction against the water. Thus the Dambuster bomb which rolled down the inside of the dam to the right depth was only 3.5 tons. It needed very precise placing.

    Alternatively it takes 10s of tonnes still in the right place on the outside of the dam. Now the explosion works against the water pressure and reacts only against air. Impact is moderated. The current situation is a repeat of Stalin's destruction of the Zaporizhzhia dam in 1941. Stalin needed 20 tonnes. The Serbs tried to flood a Croat city in 1991. They used 30 tonnes and only cracked the dam.

    Up to 100,000 people may have died then. No one knows because the area was packed with refugees. Only 1500 Germans were killed. Their advance was delayed a few weeks.

    https://www.jordskjelv.no/meldinger/seismic-signals-recorded-from-an-explosion-at-the-kakhovka-dam-in-ukraine

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @QCIC

  364. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC


    What was significant about the Saudi Prince?
     
    When the king dies he will be the richest man in the world. If he can keep it.

    Did he explain why the same crisis actors showed up in LA?
     
    Crisis actors not covered. His logic is:

    A. No motive has been presented for the Paddock story
    B. This motive fits the facts that can be documented.

    One interesting claim which I don't know the veracity of is that Khashogi's execution in the Turkish embassy happened within an hour of the exact one year anniversary of the Las Vegas mass shooting.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The Vegas shooting was interesting in that it seemed to polarize “conspiracy-minded” folks more than usual (I mean open minded, thoughtful people). I guess that means there were a number of contradictory threads and most people feel obligated to pick which ones to accept.

    The Khashogi thing sounded pretty fake. He is probably hanging out somewhere with Epstein.

  365. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://youtu.be/cEfS98F89Ho

    Replies: @Yahya

    “My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, and hard music.”

    ― Vladmir Nabakov, Strong Opinions, Edited

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya

    They have the best rendition of the anal probing gray aliens. It is every bit as good as Airplane's nordic eco-paradise space alien track, just different. Apparently the dracos don't inspire rock musicians.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Yahya

  366. @A123
    IslamoGloboHomo strikes again: (1)

    🏳️‍🌈 Pride Token 🏳️‍🌈

    Hot take: We should take our Pride cues from Muhammad, who was an OG ally to the LGBTQ+ community

    Combating Homophobia: Lessons from Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) taught us the importance of love and compassion towards all people, regardless of their sexual orientation. This Pride Month, let's explore his teachings and how they can guide us

     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fxt0300XoAEfEpm.jpg

     

    How many days are left in Gay Muslim Pride Month?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2023/06/06/hot-take-we-should-take-our-pride-cues-from-muhammad-who-was-an-og-ally-to-the-lgbtq-community/

    Replies: @QCIC

    OT

    Hey Sluggo,

    Tucker has a zinger just for you:

    “Your average goat herder in Tajikistan knows who blew up the Nordstream pipeline [Ukraine].”

    LOL

  367. @Philip Owen
    @Mikhail

    No. Extremely unlikely. They would have needed 20 tonnes of explosive like Stalin in 1941.

    My first choice is Russian incompetence. The sluice gate had been in trouble for months. In January the Russians drained the reservoir, perhaps to try and fix it. (or perhaps to set charges - maybe both). They then overfilled the dam with a faulty sluice gate in place. The gate failed and the shock wave caused other parts to fail. Both sides had shelled the structure which gave way at two points.

    It could be that the Russians did try to blow up the dam expecting limited results but the extra water provided a more violent flood than expected. I don't think so but they have track record.

    Moscow 1812
    Stalingrad
    Zaporishshia dam 1941 (Exact parallel)
    North by North West
    Grosny
    Beslan
    Mariupol

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

    North by North West

    Lol, this famous documentary film?

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Dmitry

    Btw, for Yahya or anyone else into film, that's a must-see. One of Hitchcock's very best, my favourite of his alongside The 39 Steps.
    And Cary Grant always looked magnificent, so rare for such a handsome actor to have great comedic timing.

    Replies: @Yahya

  368. Curious how China went in the opposite direction with the Long March 8.

    Initially, it was supposed to be some sort of Falcon 9 clone and be partially reusable, but looks like they are moving to mass production instead. Goal is to make 50/year.

    https://spacenews.com/china-looks-to-long-march-8-rocket-to-help-launch-its-answer-to-starlink/

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    I think that is an old pattern, start with dreams of reusability and end up with low cost throw-away. We will have to wait and see how SpaceX works out over a longer term. Lower cost LNG fuel probably helps a little.

    One avoidable expensive launch failure due to a reusable rocket could blow up insurance costs. Cheap, cookie cutter satellites may help in that regard.

    Replies: @songbird

  369. @Philip Owen
    @Mikhail

    No. Extremely unlikely. They would have needed 20 tonnes of explosive like Stalin in 1941.

    My first choice is Russian incompetence. The sluice gate had been in trouble for months. In January the Russians drained the reservoir, perhaps to try and fix it. (or perhaps to set charges - maybe both). They then overfilled the dam with a faulty sluice gate in place. The gate failed and the shock wave caused other parts to fail. Both sides had shelled the structure which gave way at two points.

    It could be that the Russians did try to blow up the dam expecting limited results but the extra water provided a more violent flood than expected. I don't think so but they have track record.

    Moscow 1812
    Stalingrad
    Zaporishshia dam 1941 (Exact parallel)
    North by North West
    Grosny
    Beslan
    Mariupol

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

    Counting on the inner Parisian1940 of today’s Muscovy isn’t a good bet.

  370. @Sean
    @Matra

    His demographic 'use the big army because you are about to lose' rationale for Russia going to war is very similar to what 'Spengler' was saying about Iran a decade or so years ago

    Something pretty unpleasant is going to happen to America before China is on the point of collapse.

    When Ukraine became a separate country it got sovereignty, but gave up the right be assumed to be no threat to Russia either now or in the future.

    Replies: @Matra

    His demographic ‘use the big army because you are about to lose’ rationale for Russia going to war is very similar to what ‘Spengler’ was saying about Iran a decade or so years ago

    I remember that. Since you brought him up, I recall in one of those Asia Times columns, around the same time, Goldman/Spengler warning that if the US tried to corner Russia over Ukraine it would lead to a closer Russian/Iranian relationship, which for an Israel Firster like Goldman, would not be good at all. That looks like it has come to pass. (Goldman/Spengler is more positive than Zeihan regarding China’s prospects)

  371. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S


    Anyone have any comments about the Voronezh and Salyut 7 alleged sightings?
     
    1. If you have seen one there isn't anything alleged about it.
    2. If you use that word in your description the people who have seen a good one are less likely to tell you anything about it.

    An internet bulletin board is a tough environment for this subject. I will tell you a bit about my own experience. I have never seen one. Maybe unlike the vast majority of people who have never seen one, I have spent an enormous amount of my life keeping my eyes open for them. And still do.

    I also have never seen a leprechaun or a fairy but if I come across one you can bet I ain't gonna be posting about it on the internet. : )

    marxists . org has a bunch of those Soviet Life issues on pdf available for download. Not the February 1968 edition that Dmitry posted images of which are not easy to read. If anybody knows where a friendlier format is I would be interested. I liked this one:

    https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/culture/soviet-life/1984/10.pdf

    The editors and writers place a high value on peace. Nobody knows why John Kennedy was murdered. There is some information that the motive was he wanted to partner with Russians on the moon mission.

    Replies: @S, @Dmitry, @S

    Dmitry posted images of which are not easy to read.

    If you open the photo, it should be easier to read. You can zoom into the text.

    Zigal was a famous astronomer and professor in this epoch, so maybe he was not just creating propaganda, although I guess we don’t know. There could be propaganda to cover experimental planes etc.

    By the way, “Soviet Life” had often high quality articles.

    I guess, they were writing for educated people in the West. This is something about the Soviet external policy. They were trying to do marketing for educated people especially.
    There is a good article about the Urals region in 1967, I recommend . It’s optimistic propaganda, but they don’t want to waste the time of the readers and add a lot of data and information which is accurate, even a lot of information which relates to the region today.

  372. @songbird
    Curious how China went in the opposite direction with the Long March 8.

    Initially, it was supposed to be some sort of Falcon 9 clone and be partially reusable, but looks like they are moving to mass production instead. Goal is to make 50/year.

    https://spacenews.com/china-looks-to-long-march-8-rocket-to-help-launch-its-answer-to-starlink/

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think that is an old pattern, start with dreams of reusability and end up with low cost throw-away. We will have to wait and see how SpaceX works out over a longer term. Lower cost LNG fuel probably helps a little.

    One avoidable expensive launch failure due to a reusable rocket could blow up insurance costs. Cheap, cookie cutter satellites may help in that regard.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC


    One avoidable expensive launch failure due to a reusable rocket could blow up insurance costs.
     
    Musk likes to use the phrase 'launch-proven.'. Maybe, there is something to the idea that flight-tested is safer.

    Though, it is a relative thing, and it's hard to conceive how any of these private companies could survive an accident with manned flight and continue with it. Though, I guess Virgin Galactic maybe sort of did. (Suborbital)

    This guy has an overview of Chinese programs. Everything seems years away, and nobody seems to be investing SpaceX bucks ($5+ billion in starship) so far.
    https://youtu.be/DlxtmQLxEiI
  373. @Dmitry
    @Philip Owen


    North by North West

     

    Lol, this famous documentary film?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek7T9Gyl_J4

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Btw, for Yahya or anyone else into film, that’s a must-see. One of Hitchcock’s very best, my favourite of his alongside The 39 Steps.
    And Cary Grant always looked magnificent, so rare for such a handsome actor to have great comedic timing.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    Btw, for Yahya or anyone else into film, that’s a must-see. One of Hitchcock’s very best, my favourite of his alongside The 39 Steps. And Cary Grant always looked magnificent, so rare for such a handsome actor to have great comedic timing.
     
    I’ve watched 3 Hitchcock movies this year, but none of the ones you mentioned. So far my favorite Hitchcock film is Vertigo. The others were good but not outstanding, although they are consistently entertaining to watch and pleasing on the eye (Hitchock is a gifted cinematographer and cast recruiter). I’ve seen Cary Grant in Notorious and Suspicion, alongside Ingrid Bergman and Joan Fontaine, two very beautiful and elegant actresses. I wonder where these old upper class WASP American actors/actresses disappeared off to? They make the present-day pop tarts look like the trash that they are. A big loss to American cinema and culture more broadly, if you ask me.

    Ingrid Bergman held a high regard for both Hitchcock and Grant, the latter of whom she described as “the nicest co-star i’ve worked with”.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  374. @Dmitry

    Israel I said I’m Jewish.. it feels like this is a sensitive question for you or even that you’re trying to conceal something. But whatever, I’ll drop it now and I won’t mention it again..
     
    It's not a sensitive question to ask about those questions, although don't ask Russians about additional citizenship in the current situation.

    In Israel, I don't and couldn't say I'm Jewish, not only because it would be lying. When the airport staff ask if am Jewish, you answer "no". If you say "yes", you will have to answer questions about your religious festivals etc. In the government office, they will view this as immigration fraud.

    But I could be able to say I'm Jewish roots people to the third generation. Which is supported with evidence. I have documented Jewish roots in the third generation. But that is a different category. My friends in Israel are all from the similar category.


    how Jewish you “feel” or “identify as,” because that’s what I’m more interested in.

     

    It's an objective category, not a feeling category. It's like going to groups of doctors and saying "I feel like a doctor". Israelis accept this not more than doctors.

    As for how I feel, I'm not part of the Russians with Jewish roots who has interaction with the Jewish community, romantic feeling about Jewish history, knowledge of festivals etc. I'm also not interested about my family's history, family's roots etc. My interest in my ancestors, is almost 0.

    Nobody in family except myself, has interest about Israel or visit Israel and when I was a child we visited for vacation in the Mediterranean only Greece, Italy and Spain.

    Why I'm interested in Israel? It's personal, going alone when still young, but without family. When young, being alone, heat, exotic places and making friends with everyone in the same situation and motivation to avoid certain thing in the home country. That was romantic for me and I'm already old enough, all those memories from youth have a very warm halo.

    I'm also interested in the ancient Mediterranean history and religions, Mediterranean land, ancient ruins. In terms of the ancient world, I'm more interested in Greece and Rome, although probably because of visiting ruins there when still a child.

    Also I can sound negative talking about topics like "Israeli gopniks", but it's not a negative connotation or any criticism by myself of Israel. I don't criticize as country Israel. It's just some of the authentic interesting topics relative to this forum. For example, Yahya believes Egypt has no hope because of having too many rednecks.


    undergo completely insincere sham conversions for the purpose of marriage who call themselves Jewish

     

    If you want to be deported for immigration fraud and they would likely give bans for visiting as a tourist.

    Replies: @Yahya

    Yahya believes Egypt has no hope because of having too many rednecks.

    Yahya does not believe this.

    He thinks the present conditions unfortunately do not allow for Egyptian development, but that there could be hope for Egypt in the future, if a hard-headed, rational, and elitist ruling class in the mold of Singapore’s PAP or Plato’s Philosopher Kings comes to power. As I wrote in my response to Mr. XYZ, Egypt possesses a moderately sizable smart fraction of 1.2-2 million individuals. They can be employed as a base for the genetic and culutral bourgeosification of Egyptian society. This is the path which was undertaken in Great Britain throughout the Middle Ages, as was documented in Gregory Clark’s Farewell To Alms.

    Demographic compositions can shift fairly substantially in just one generation. In 17th century Suffolk for example, testators with wealth of less than £10 and those who left no will were 65 percent of the first generation. But their sons constituted only 53 percent of the next generation. Testators with wealth of more than £500 were 8 percent of the initial generation. Their sons were 13 percent of the next generation. Duplicate this process multiple times over the span of 5-6 generations, and the impact on society will be substantial.

    Plato understood the importance of the mating process better than most contemporary academics. He writes in The Republic:

    ‘So we need to ask how to maximize this contribution of theirs. Now, Glaucon, I’ve seen lots of hunting dogs and fine birds” in your house, so I wonder whether you’ve noticed a particular aspect of their mating and procreation.’
    ‘What?’ he asked.
    ‘The main point is this. Isn’t it true that although they’re all pedigree creatures, some of them prove to be exceptionally good?’
    ‘Yes.’
    ‘So do you breed from all of them indiscriminately, or do you take care to choose the outstanding ones as much as possible?’ ‘I choose the outstanding ones.’

    ‘It follows from our conclusions so far that sex should preferably take place between men and women who are outstandingly good, and should occur as little as possible between men and women of a vastly inferior stamp. It also follows that the offspring of the first group should be brought up, while the offspring of the second group shouldn’t. This is how to maximize the potential of our flock. And the fact that all this is happening should be concealed from everyone except the rulers themselves, if the herd of guardians is to be as free as possible from conflict.’* ‘You’re quite right,’ he said.

    This is the critical ingredient to development: human capital formation. But please do not delude yourself into thinking that “education” will magically transform Boobus Egypticus into Pericles or Aristotle. As the clear-sighted Socrates wisely notes, mating should “preferably take place between men and women who are outstandingly good, and should occur as little as possible between men and women of a vastly inferior stamp”, so as to “maximize the potential of [the] flock”. In more localized terms, the Primus Egypticus will need to be encouraged to procreate more abundantly than the Boobus Egypticus.

    More of this:

    And less of this:

    It will require sacrifice on behalf of the masses, and hard-headedness on behalf of the elites. The chances of these two conditions coalescing is infinitesimale, although the example of Indira Ghandi and the CCP do provide a glimmer of hope. A more class-based population control policy will need to be implemented though, and that would require a Lee Kuan Yew-tier philosopher king.

    And as a reminder, Ancient Greece hosted the greatest concentration of human capital in world history. We ought to listen more to Plato and less to the economists.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Now imagine that an evil Philospher King read Plato's Republic text that you just quoted above, and decided to do exactly the opposite to downgrade a human population to the lowest level possible. In what political system would it be done the easiest way according to your understanding?

    Also, if a good Philospher King decided to follow Plato's advice in its detail, what do you think the resulting political system would be called by today's postmodern masses?

    Replies: @Yahya, @Dmitry, @Yevardian, @S

    , @Dmitry
    @Yahya


    hard-headedness on behalf of the elites
     
    The elites have hard-headedness in terms of cutting the budget and emigrating their incorporation to Cayman Islands.

    The problem which some societies solved, is how to connect in responsive system, reward or punishment of elites to the success or failure of the local projects. Just like any managers in a responsible company, need to have good results, or rapidly to lose their job.


    CCP do provide a glimmer of hope.
     
    Hope of the emigration to Vancouver? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpxx4.

    would require a Lee Kuan Yew-tier philosopher king
     
    He was just a lawyer. Although lawyer from England, which is where the usually effective recipe in terms of legal and political system in the last years.

    And as a reminder, Ancient Greece hosted the greatest concentration of human capital in world history. We ought to listen more to Plato and less to the economists.

     

    Just in the 20th century, there were successful development projects.

    If you read about the history of 1970s Hong Kong, you can see what kind of work was there – from both Hong Kong Chinese and British people, to turn it into a governance success (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0920203X13482244)

    Hong Kong was one of the most corrupt places in the world. But they worked to solve this.

    https://i.imgur.com/J80LfJx.jpg

    Replies: @Yahya

  375. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    What was your view if you saw these kinds of discussions on youtube which seem to be from important professionals?

    I guess for most of us who never saw anything interesting in our life that doesn't follow conventional laws of nature, just need to accept this stage of indeterminacy.

    We could believe people who saw those and also certain authorities, or accept people like you have a good imagination and also the authorities are really trolling us nowadays, or maybe we could say there are a lot of important people with good imaginations.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Well, I do have a good imagination, but I seldom if ever lie, not that I tell everything I could tell about myself or life in general. We all have our secret garden and a right to choose the information we transmit or not to others. I sure respect that right in other people.

    Now, in that particular situation we were three in the car. And more than 30 years later we still remember that we saw something peculiar.

    Although our memories diverged, while my mother simply recalls a light flowing over us, my younger brother (who was aged 9-10 years back then) told me two years ago that it was a sphere or an orb of fire, while I recall the prism or pyramid inside the light, but when I wrote about it yesterday I noticed that I don’t recall anymore whether it pointed up or down. Also I was wrong yesterday when I falsely recalled that the sighting was on the left side of the car, it was on the right side, perhaps some 10 km away flying from us towards the horizon in the early morning sky. Then suddenly it came back without making a turn, at a high speed and now I recall that when it passed above us it was eerily silent and yes a few cars around us tried to stop before resuming their way. Yars later, while camping on a mediterranean beach with friends, I saw a small meteorite disintegrating above the sea and falling in the water, there was a noise that was impossible to miss. Therefore, another thing that makes me believe that we saw something artificial that morning is not only the unnatural way it moved (going at an opposite direction at a very sharp angle without turning), but also the fact that it was silent the fraction of time it passed over our car. At least its noise level was low enough for me to hear nothing beside the noises of the car. The windows of the car were closed though. Anyway, bottom line, I don’t know what it was or where it came from, but we saw something unusual.

    And yeah, about the authorities, the important people
    having good imagination and the UFOs:

    https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

    I think that might be next distraction after the Covid and the war in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool

    How high up in the sky (very roughly) was this object? At an altitude planes might fly at, lower, higher?

    Memories are funny things. I have always believed I have a very good one, and I have found this belief confirmed in a few ways, and yet there are some memories that, intellectually, I know are impossible the way I recall them, yet every time I think of them I remember them the same incorrect way. Eg conversations in a car in Europe where I was the driver, but the driver's seat is on the right (as it is in Australia); or placing someone that had died in the memory of a trip with a group friends that took place when that person was dead.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  376. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    “My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, and hard music.”

    ― Vladmir Nabakov, Strong Opinions, Edited

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    They have the best rendition of the anal probing gray aliens. It is every bit as good as Airplane’s nordic eco-paradise space alien track, just different. Apparently the dracos don’t inspire rock musicians.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Apparently the dracos don’t inspire rock musicians.
     
    I beg to differ:

    https://youtu.be/-xPwzglvpnY

    The Hallowed Land song is impressively good.
    , @Yahya
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    They have the best rendition of the anal probing gray aliens. It is every bit as good as Airplane’s nordic eco-paradise space alien track, just different. Apparently the dracos don’t inspire rock musicians.
     
    I didn’t get a single reference you made in the above sentence.

    My knowledge of rock music is precisely zero.

    I’m very smart and sophisticated so I only listen to classical music.

    https://youtu.be/QNoJlWQGIGA

    https://youtu.be/-3EQQiwqCR0

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

  377. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    Yahya believes Egypt has no hope because of having too many rednecks.
     
    Yahya does not believe this.

    He thinks the present conditions unfortunately do not allow for Egyptian development, but that there could be hope for Egypt in the future, if a hard-headed, rational, and elitist ruling class in the mold of Singapore’s PAP or Plato’s Philosopher Kings comes to power. As I wrote in my response to Mr. XYZ, Egypt possesses a moderately sizable smart fraction of 1.2-2 million individuals. They can be employed as a base for the genetic and culutral bourgeosification of Egyptian society. This is the path which was undertaken in Great Britain throughout the Middle Ages, as was documented in Gregory Clark’s Farewell To Alms.


    https://i.ibb.co/ChvpVWQ/8-A560690-8259-4-BEC-A6-EF-BBF96-BBEBAFE.jpg


    Demographic compositions can shift fairly substantially in just one generation. In 17th century Suffolk for example, testators with wealth of less than £10 and those who left no will were 65 percent of the first generation. But their sons constituted only 53 percent of the next generation. Testators with wealth of more than £500 were 8 percent of the initial generation. Their sons were 13 percent of the next generation. Duplicate this process multiple times over the span of 5-6 generations, and the impact on society will be substantial.

    Plato understood the importance of the mating process better than most contemporary academics. He writes in The Republic:


    ‘So we need to ask how to maximize this contribution of theirs. Now, Glaucon, I’ve seen lots of hunting dogs and fine birds” in your house, so I wonder whether you’ve noticed a particular aspect of their mating and procreation.’
    ‘What?’ he asked.
    ‘The main point is this. Isn’t it true that although they’re all pedigree creatures, some of them prove to be exceptionally good?’
    ‘Yes.’
    ‘So do you breed from all of them indiscriminately, or do you take care to choose the outstanding ones as much as possible?’ ‘I choose the outstanding ones.’
     

    ‘It follows from our conclusions so far that sex should preferably take place between men and women who are outstandingly good, and should occur as little as possible between men and women of a vastly inferior stamp. It also follows that the offspring of the first group should be brought up, while the offspring of the second group shouldn’t. This is how to maximize the potential of our flock. And the fact that all this is happening should be concealed from everyone except the rulers themselves, if the herd of guardians is to be as free as possible from conflict.’* ‘You’re quite right,’ he said.
     
    This is the critical ingredient to development: human capital formation. But please do not delude yourself into thinking that “education” will magically transform Boobus Egypticus into Pericles or Aristotle. As the clear-sighted Socrates wisely notes, mating should “preferably take place between men and women who are outstandingly good, and should occur as little as possible between men and women of a vastly inferior stamp”, so as to “maximize the potential of [the] flock”. In more localized terms, the Primus Egypticus will need to be encouraged to procreate more abundantly than the Boobus Egypticus.

    More of this:

    https://youtu.be/UUYHf6ENKxo

    And less of this:

    https://youtu.be/BbruzUGtsDI

    It will require sacrifice on behalf of the masses, and hard-headedness on behalf of the elites. The chances of these two conditions coalescing is infinitesimale, although the example of Indira Ghandi and the CCP do provide a glimmer of hope. A more class-based population control policy will need to be implemented though, and that would require a Lee Kuan Yew-tier philosopher king.

    And as a reminder, Ancient Greece hosted the greatest concentration of human capital in world history. We ought to listen more to Plato and less to the economists.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    Now imagine that an evil Philospher King read Plato’s Republic text that you just quoted above, and decided to do exactly the opposite to downgrade a human population to the lowest level possible. In what political system would it be done the easiest way according to your understanding?

    Also, if a good Philospher King decided to follow Plato’s advice in its detail, what do you think the resulting political system would be called by today’s postmodern masses?

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    Now imagine that an evil Philospher King read Plato’s Republic text that you just quoted above, and decided to do exactly the opposite to downgrade a human population to the lowest level possible. In what political system would it be done the easiest way according to your understanding?
     
    Well obviously it would be easiest under a USSR or Nazi Germany-type totalitarian system.

    But then Indira Ghandi implemented some heavy-hitting population control policies, and that was under a soft-authoritarian system.

    I’m not too concerned with the implementation, since I will get nowhere near the halls of power.

    My role is to formulate the ideas. I have outlined what I believe to be the sole path to development.

    It will be up to someone else to follow through.

    To quote John Bunyan: “My sword I give to him that shall succeed me in my pilgrimage, and my courage and skill to him that can get it.”

    , @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    This idea is similar to the Marxist view, which says counterrevolution elites try to prevent knowledge transfer of the population.

    In the Russian empire, there was example of this strategy, with suppression of literacy.

    In the 18th century when some peasants begin to read bibles, it created a lot of nonconformist sects. Literacy produced Molokans from peasants and also was necessary condition for the revolutionary sections of the middle class.

    In the 19th century, after the emancipation there was spontaneous ambition in peasants for literacy. In response the Church especially begins to invest in a controlled literacy prject, it’s partly as a “top-down” education is less threatening for power.

    Peasants regularly try to organize their own education and literacy, but was uncontrolled literacy suppressed by the authorities, and there is a valid reason.

    When there was uncontrolled literacy, there would also be often religious disobedience, non-conformist movements, the development of groups like Molokans and there are examples of massacres by the authorities of noncomfornist groups already in the 18th century.

    -

    But is suppressing knowledge transfer, literacy, uncontrolled, so important as a counterrevolutionary strategy?

    In the educated population of Belarus in 2020, Lukashenko continues power. In the less educated population of Egypt in 2011, Mubarak falls to revolution.

    In Russia, Navalny supporters are usually more educated or intelligent than average, but they are less effective for anti-government projects than uneducated Egyptians.

    Probably, more important difference to help the counterrevolution, would be usually the proportion of young people in the country, especially the number of young men.

    Young men have energy and are one of the conditions for political instability.

    https://i.imgur.com/u0LbocM.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/t37BnO2.jpg

    In Belarus and Russia, there is also removal of young educated people by emigration. Like in 19th century Europe, more independent young people were going to America and it could help the stability of the European governments.

    Navalny supporters in Russia have a lot higher rate of emigration, than pro-government populations.

    , @Yevardian
    @Ivashka the fool

    Plato has likely had a more malign influence on human thought across millennia than other single man in history.

    From fields as diverse the Natural Sciences, to Religion to Politics, you can see the deep and negative legacy of this extremely gifted and dangerous lunatic.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    Now imagine that an evil Philospher King read Plato’s Republic text that you just quoted above, and decided to do exactly the opposite to downgrade a human population to the lowest level possible.
     
    I'll take a stab at that.

    While in the Anglosphere, it certainly wasn't all, or, even a majority of the Anglo-Saxon elites and their hangers on, it was a powerful minority of them which were involved in slavery and it's trade which tended to ultimately accrue the bulk of the power for themselves, and dominate things.

    When slavery and it's trade was monetized (as opposed to having been actually abolished) with the early 19th century introduction of wage slavery, ie specifically the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system, a veritable revolution in the slavery industry had taken place.

    Without the benefit in reality of either a much needed change of heart, nor a change in their ways, the wealth and power of the historic slavers, ie the former slave owners/now wage slave ('cheap labor'/'immigrant') exploiters, the former slave dealers/now 'labor contractors', and the same financiers as before (who build and insure even more ships and modes of transport of all kinds now for the wage slaves, ie so called 'cheap labor'/'immigrants'), grew exponentially.

    All former negatives that slave owner, slave dealer, and slave trade financiers, had formerly had to deal with with within the chattel slave system, ie old age care for the slaves, hospitalization, clothing them, etc, had now been safely outsourced (ie dumped upon) the rubes, also known as the non-exploiting general public, the vast majority of people, while still keeping the value of the systematically stolen labor for their slaving selves, via grossly underpaying people who had often been first reduced by their very exploiters to an unnaturally low state of being.

    Not only that, the former chattel slavers with the new wage slave (cheap labor) system got to play act that they were now the 'good guys', at their own people's (not to mention others) great expense, when in reality they were (and are) every bit as rotten as before, if not more so.

    The renowned US based economist Henry Carey, in his 1853 book The Slave Trade linked below, concluded in his real time analysis of comparing chattel and wage slavery, that the then new wage slavery (ie so called 'cheap labor') system of the Anglosphere was simply slavery by another name, and that this system tended towards making slaves of everyone.

    https://archive.org/details/slavetrade00caregoog/page/n6/mode/1up



    So, within the Anglosphere, historically powerful elements of the Anglo-Saxon elites and hangers on are in effect unreformed slavers with their wage slavery (ie so called 'cheap labor') system, and it doesn't reflect particularly well on the broader Anglo-Saxon public that these slavery corrupted elites and hangers on, whom cared nothing about their own, were not overthrown.

    Within the same Anglosphere, powerful elements of the Jewish elites and hangers on have also been involved historically in chattel, and then later wage slavery (cheap labor) exploitation, neither good for their own (or others) either.

    In what political system would it be done the easiest way according to your understanding?
     
    Historically slavery corrupted elites and hangers on could misuse a 'democratic republic' for such a purpose. The Anglosphere ideology of 'progressive Multi-Culturalism', which has wage slavery (ie the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system) as it's economic and political basis, would fit perfectly.

    The results of such a system, as the London Times gently put it in the mid-19th century primordial days of the Multi-Cult, would be an overall population which is 'more mixed', 'more docile', and, 'which can submit to a master', presumably this being the slaver's idea of the ideal characteristics of the new man and woman which, unless something intervenes, are to populate the Earth.

    Also, if a good Philospher King decided to follow Plato’s advice in its detail, what do you think the resulting political system would be called by today’s postmodern masses?
     
    Any attempt to improve upon, or, even simply maintain, the good health, intelligence, and positive characteristics of a people in a racial or ethnic sense, irrespective of the actual political system, a republic, constitutional monarchy, or otherwise, would be quickly labeled 'Fascist!TM', and, or, 'Nazi!'TM, not to mention the standard all purpose, 'Racist!'TM. :-)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Keypusher

  378. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya

    They have the best rendition of the anal probing gray aliens. It is every bit as good as Airplane's nordic eco-paradise space alien track, just different. Apparently the dracos don't inspire rock musicians.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Yahya

    Apparently the dracos don’t inspire rock musicians.

    I beg to differ:

    The Hallowed Land song is impressively good.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  379. @Yevardian
    @Dmitry

    Btw, for Yahya or anyone else into film, that's a must-see. One of Hitchcock's very best, my favourite of his alongside The 39 Steps.
    And Cary Grant always looked magnificent, so rare for such a handsome actor to have great comedic timing.

    Replies: @Yahya

    Btw, for Yahya or anyone else into film, that’s a must-see. One of Hitchcock’s very best, my favourite of his alongside The 39 Steps. And Cary Grant always looked magnificent, so rare for such a handsome actor to have great comedic timing.

    I’ve watched 3 Hitchcock movies this year, but none of the ones you mentioned. So far my favorite Hitchcock film is Vertigo. The others were good but not outstanding, although they are consistently entertaining to watch and pleasing on the eye (Hitchock is a gifted cinematographer and cast recruiter). I’ve seen Cary Grant in Notorious and Suspicion, alongside Ingrid Bergman and Joan Fontaine, two very beautiful and elegant actresses. I wonder where these old upper class WASP American actors/actresses disappeared off to? They make the present-day pop tarts look like the trash that they are. A big loss to American cinema and culture more broadly, if you ask me.

    Ingrid Bergman held a high regard for both Hitchcock and Grant, the latter of whom she described as “the nicest co-star i’ve worked with”.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Yahya


    So far my favorite Hitchcock film is Vertigo.
     
    North-by-northwest is pretty good, but not at the same level as Vertigo.

    Other Hitchcock films I've enjoyed are Dial M for Murder, Rear Window and Psycho. All very worthwhile imo.

    I've also seen The Man Who Knew Too Much and Frenzy, but I wasn't particularly impressed.

    Since my seconding Greasy's recommendation of A Simple Plan proved to be such a flop, maybe I can redeem myself with a couple of suggestions that I think you're unlikely to have seen: The Go-Between (1971), Don't Look Now (1973) and Open Your Eyes (1997).

    Of all the ways in which the very, very white Australia I grew up in was still a very obvious offshoot of Britain (even though its elites had long abandoned any such loyalty), the main way in which it wasn't - but which I wish it had been - was its lack of a rigid class structure. Why would I have wished for a class structure that would have assuredly frozen me out? Well, if you watch The Go-Between, you'll have some idea. Because even the small glimpses I caught of the remnants of the British upper crust's peerless refinement impressed me so much I've never forgotten it. Although it's fair to say I have not modelled my life at all on their example, I still know quality when I see it - and they had it in abundance. In this movie, it's on full display.

    Don't Look Now could be classified a 'horror,' although it's very short on actual scares. The film's main strength is the mood it manages to create in each scene, where even when nothing much of consequence happens, it still builds up plenty of anticipation that something portentous is about to occur. The only fault I can find with it is the ending, which plenty of people have defended, but which to me was a letdown. A bad ending usually ruins the entire film for me, so that I still love this film is evidence of the high regard I have for it.

    Open Your Eyes ("Abre Los Ojos" in Spanish) is the original of the later American remake Vanilla Sky, with Tom Cruise. I liked Vanilla Sky, but Open Your Eyes is the superior film. In brief, an original, highly enjoyable thriller. If you watch it, do so without reading reviews first; it's more fun if you don't know where it's going.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Yahya, @Yahya

  380. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S


    Anyone have any comments about the Voronezh and Salyut 7 alleged sightings?
     
    1. If you have seen one there isn't anything alleged about it.
    2. If you use that word in your description the people who have seen a good one are less likely to tell you anything about it.

    An internet bulletin board is a tough environment for this subject. I will tell you a bit about my own experience. I have never seen one. Maybe unlike the vast majority of people who have never seen one, I have spent an enormous amount of my life keeping my eyes open for them. And still do.

    I also have never seen a leprechaun or a fairy but if I come across one you can bet I ain't gonna be posting about it on the internet. : )

    marxists . org has a bunch of those Soviet Life issues on pdf available for download. Not the February 1968 edition that Dmitry posted images of which are not easy to read. If anybody knows where a friendlier format is I would be interested. I liked this one:

    https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/culture/soviet-life/1984/10.pdf

    The editors and writers place a high value on peace. Nobody knows why John Kennedy was murdered. There is some information that the motive was he wanted to partner with Russians on the moon mission.

    Replies: @S, @Dmitry, @S

    If you (or, anyone else) is not familiar with the 1970 British series UFO it’s worth a watch. Besides offering it’s own explanation for the ‘alien abduction’ phenomena, it’s got well rounded storylines and pretty good special effects for the time.

    Below is a clip of excerpts from the first episode called ‘Identity’. [Beneath ‘More’ is the entire episode.]

    ‘Have you ever thought about the victims of UFO incidents? Have you ever considered their parents, brothers, sisters? What do we tell them? They live in agony for years, praying that someday their loved ones may turn up, clinging to a thread of hope.’

    ‘You realize, of course, that they can never know the truth!’

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @S
    @S

    Oops...that first 1970 episode of UFO was entitled 'Identified'.

    , @A123
    @S

    If aliens are buzzing the planet, eventually they will be exposed. (1)

     
    https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/alien_observers_2x.png
     

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://xkcd.com/2572/

    Replies: @silviosilver, @QCIC

  381. @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    If you (or, anyone else) is not familiar with the 1970 British series UFO it's worth a watch. Besides offering it's own explanation for the 'alien abduction' phenomena, it's got well rounded storylines and pretty good special effects for the time.

    Below is a clip of excerpts from the first episode called 'Identity'. [Beneath 'More' is the entire episode.]


    'Have you ever thought about the victims of UFO incidents? Have you ever considered their parents, brothers, sisters? What do we tell them? They live in agony for years, praying that someday their loved ones may turn up, clinging to a thread of hope.'

    'You realize, of course, that they can never know the truth!'

    https://youtu.be/EpF6o2-nx4I



    https://youtu.be/sBBSKdp_QKo

    Replies: @S, @A123

    Oops…that first 1970 episode of UFO was entitled ‘Identified’.

  382. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Now imagine that an evil Philospher King read Plato's Republic text that you just quoted above, and decided to do exactly the opposite to downgrade a human population to the lowest level possible. In what political system would it be done the easiest way according to your understanding?

    Also, if a good Philospher King decided to follow Plato's advice in its detail, what do you think the resulting political system would be called by today's postmodern masses?

    Replies: @Yahya, @Dmitry, @Yevardian, @S

    Now imagine that an evil Philospher King read Plato’s Republic text that you just quoted above, and decided to do exactly the opposite to downgrade a human population to the lowest level possible. In what political system would it be done the easiest way according to your understanding?

    Well obviously it would be easiest under a USSR or Nazi Germany-type totalitarian system.

    But then Indira Ghandi implemented some heavy-hitting population control policies, and that was under a soft-authoritarian system.

    I’m not too concerned with the implementation, since I will get nowhere near the halls of power.

    My role is to formulate the ideas. I have outlined what I believe to be the sole path to development.

    It will be up to someone else to follow through.

    To quote John Bunyan: “My sword I give to him that shall succeed me in my pilgrimage, and my courage and skill to him that can get it.”

  383. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya

    They have the best rendition of the anal probing gray aliens. It is every bit as good as Airplane's nordic eco-paradise space alien track, just different. Apparently the dracos don't inspire rock musicians.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Yahya

    They have the best rendition of the anal probing gray aliens. It is every bit as good as Airplane’s nordic eco-paradise space alien track, just different. Apparently the dracos don’t inspire rock musicians.

    I didn’t get a single reference you made in the above sentence.

    My knowledge of rock music is precisely zero.

    I’m very smart and sophisticated so I only listen to classical music.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    https://youtu.be/1EdUjlawLJM

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya


    I didn’t get a single reference you made in the above sentence.
     
    Oops. My bad. It was kind of rude of me to address that to you when my intent was to nudge Ivaskya into providing a Draco track.

    It isn't too complicated! The literature on alien contacts boils down to 4 or maybe 5 physical types.
    1. grays. Most common. On cover of Strieber's Communion and in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
    2. nordics. Second or third most common. Beginning with George Adamsky in the early 1950's. The best Star Trek characters.
    3. mantids. Second or third most common. In Vallee's latest book, Trinity, the aliens are mantids.
    4. reptilians, also known as dracos. These are the most nefarious, if you don't mind the grays sticking probes into your rectum too much. There is an end-member howler tale of special forces in a firearms fight with reptilians in an underground base in New Mexico.

    Sorry man.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Yahya


    I’m very smart and sophisticated so I only listen to classical music.
     
    This is probably true, but you're certainly not very humble. :-) No offense Yahya, but you do come off as being a good deal snobbish (you could even give AP a run for the money in this department, :-) )

    Think of rock music as a form of folk music of the Western world that developed in the mid 20-th century. You aren't as condescending towards other forms of folk music are you? A lot of really good modern 20th century music, even symphonic, has incorporated rock motifs to excellent aplomb.. You might expand your horizons a bit by listening to this, and then honestly tell me whether there's anything interesting going on here:

    https://open.spotify.com/album/0aYwhZkoY19dGovWjAjrtD?si=BGdbhLodRDy_AWPOS1pF6A

    Replies: @Yahya

  384. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Now imagine that an evil Philospher King read Plato's Republic text that you just quoted above, and decided to do exactly the opposite to downgrade a human population to the lowest level possible. In what political system would it be done the easiest way according to your understanding?

    Also, if a good Philospher King decided to follow Plato's advice in its detail, what do you think the resulting political system would be called by today's postmodern masses?

    Replies: @Yahya, @Dmitry, @Yevardian, @S

    This idea is similar to the Marxist view, which says counterrevolution elites try to prevent knowledge transfer of the population.

    In the Russian empire, there was example of this strategy, with suppression of literacy.

    In the 18th century when some peasants begin to read bibles, it created a lot of nonconformist sects. Literacy produced Molokans from peasants and also was necessary condition for the revolutionary sections of the middle class.

    In the 19th century, after the emancipation there was spontaneous ambition in peasants for literacy. In response the Church especially begins to invest in a controlled literacy prject, it’s partly as a “top-down” education is less threatening for power.

    Peasants regularly try to organize their own education and literacy, but was uncontrolled literacy suppressed by the authorities, and there is a valid reason.

    When there was uncontrolled literacy, there would also be often religious disobedience, non-conformist movements, the development of groups like Molokans and there are examples of massacres by the authorities of noncomfornist groups already in the 18th century.

    But is suppressing knowledge transfer, literacy, uncontrolled, so important as a counterrevolutionary strategy?

    In the educated population of Belarus in 2020, Lukashenko continues power. In the less educated population of Egypt in 2011, Mubarak falls to revolution.

    In Russia, Navalny supporters are usually more educated or intelligent than average, but they are less effective for anti-government projects than uneducated Egyptians.

    Probably, more important difference to help the counterrevolution, would be usually the proportion of young people in the country, especially the number of young men.

    Young men have energy and are one of the conditions for political instability.


    In Belarus and Russia, there is also removal of young educated people by emigration. Like in 19th century Europe, more independent young people were going to America and it could help the stability of the European governments.

    Navalny supporters in Russia have a lot higher rate of emigration, than pro-government populations.

  385. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    That would actually be a smart move on Israel’s part. Recruit smart, talented, and highly skilled non-Jewish immigrants, at least if they agree to convert to Judaism beforehand.

    Convert to Judaism???? It isn't like joining the Rotary club.

    It's a huge pain to convert if you aren't born into it. They don't want Christians converting unless you really, really want to marry a Jewish girl. They pretty much have a feats of strength challenge setup to earn that ass. But it's mostly memorizing. No one is going to do it for business reasons.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    It doesn’t make much sense for a non-Jewish man to convert to Judaism to marry a Jewish woman since their kids are going to be Jewish in any case. Unless of course she insists on the conversion as a prerequisite for marriage.

  386. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    Yahya believes Egypt has no hope because of having too many rednecks.
     
    Yahya does not believe this.

    He thinks the present conditions unfortunately do not allow for Egyptian development, but that there could be hope for Egypt in the future, if a hard-headed, rational, and elitist ruling class in the mold of Singapore’s PAP or Plato’s Philosopher Kings comes to power. As I wrote in my response to Mr. XYZ, Egypt possesses a moderately sizable smart fraction of 1.2-2 million individuals. They can be employed as a base for the genetic and culutral bourgeosification of Egyptian society. This is the path which was undertaken in Great Britain throughout the Middle Ages, as was documented in Gregory Clark’s Farewell To Alms.


    https://i.ibb.co/ChvpVWQ/8-A560690-8259-4-BEC-A6-EF-BBF96-BBEBAFE.jpg


    Demographic compositions can shift fairly substantially in just one generation. In 17th century Suffolk for example, testators with wealth of less than £10 and those who left no will were 65 percent of the first generation. But their sons constituted only 53 percent of the next generation. Testators with wealth of more than £500 were 8 percent of the initial generation. Their sons were 13 percent of the next generation. Duplicate this process multiple times over the span of 5-6 generations, and the impact on society will be substantial.

    Plato understood the importance of the mating process better than most contemporary academics. He writes in The Republic:


    ‘So we need to ask how to maximize this contribution of theirs. Now, Glaucon, I’ve seen lots of hunting dogs and fine birds” in your house, so I wonder whether you’ve noticed a particular aspect of their mating and procreation.’
    ‘What?’ he asked.
    ‘The main point is this. Isn’t it true that although they’re all pedigree creatures, some of them prove to be exceptionally good?’
    ‘Yes.’
    ‘So do you breed from all of them indiscriminately, or do you take care to choose the outstanding ones as much as possible?’ ‘I choose the outstanding ones.’
     

    ‘It follows from our conclusions so far that sex should preferably take place between men and women who are outstandingly good, and should occur as little as possible between men and women of a vastly inferior stamp. It also follows that the offspring of the first group should be brought up, while the offspring of the second group shouldn’t. This is how to maximize the potential of our flock. And the fact that all this is happening should be concealed from everyone except the rulers themselves, if the herd of guardians is to be as free as possible from conflict.’* ‘You’re quite right,’ he said.
     
    This is the critical ingredient to development: human capital formation. But please do not delude yourself into thinking that “education” will magically transform Boobus Egypticus into Pericles or Aristotle. As the clear-sighted Socrates wisely notes, mating should “preferably take place between men and women who are outstandingly good, and should occur as little as possible between men and women of a vastly inferior stamp”, so as to “maximize the potential of [the] flock”. In more localized terms, the Primus Egypticus will need to be encouraged to procreate more abundantly than the Boobus Egypticus.

    More of this:

    https://youtu.be/UUYHf6ENKxo

    And less of this:

    https://youtu.be/BbruzUGtsDI

    It will require sacrifice on behalf of the masses, and hard-headedness on behalf of the elites. The chances of these two conditions coalescing is infinitesimale, although the example of Indira Ghandi and the CCP do provide a glimmer of hope. A more class-based population control policy will need to be implemented though, and that would require a Lee Kuan Yew-tier philosopher king.

    And as a reminder, Ancient Greece hosted the greatest concentration of human capital in world history. We ought to listen more to Plato and less to the economists.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    hard-headedness on behalf of the elites

    The elites have hard-headedness in terms of cutting the budget and emigrating their incorporation to Cayman Islands.

    The problem which some societies solved, is how to connect in responsive system, reward or punishment of elites to the success or failure of the local projects. Just like any managers in a responsible company, need to have good results, or rapidly to lose their job.

    CCP do provide a glimmer of hope.

    Hope of the emigration to Vancouver? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpxx4.

    would require a Lee Kuan Yew-tier philosopher king

    He was just a lawyer. Although lawyer from England, which is where the usually effective recipe in terms of legal and political system in the last years.

    And as a reminder, Ancient Greece hosted the greatest concentration of human capital in world history. We ought to listen more to Plato and less to the economists.

    Just in the 20th century, there were successful development projects.

    If you read about the history of 1970s Hong Kong, you can see what kind of work was there – from both Hong Kong Chinese and British people, to turn it into a governance success (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0920203X13482244)

    Hong Kong was one of the most corrupt places in the world. But they worked to solve this.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    He was just a lawyer.
     
    I’m not talking about his professional training, but his personal qualities. He was a singularly capable leader, the closest real-life model of a philopsher-king in the 20th centurions. He possesses many of Plato’s essential qualities for rulers: a good memory, quickness at learning, broadness of vision, morality, courage, and self-discipline. And most importantly, he was hard-headed, wise, and rational.

    Lee was not one who believed in the politically correct egalitarianism of his day. He argued that every society had a segment of its population–say, the top 5 to 10 per cent–which was exceptionally able. These people, like the philosopher kings of old, would have to be thrown up through a meritocratic process, or actively sought out, and put into the top positions in government and the private sector. To charges that such an approach was elitist, Lee would counter that doing so would help raise the lot of all in society, more so than a pretence that all men were equally capable or talented.

    These observations led Lee to conclude that nature and nurture had combined to produce distinct “tribes” or ethnic groups which were different in their genetic and cultural makeup. Some of these were more predisposed to success. At one time, he contended that as much as 80 per cent of this was due to nature.

    “You take the American Red Indian. He is genetically a Mongolian or Mongoloid, the same as the Chinese and the Koreans. But they crossed over, according to the anthropologists and the geologists, when the Bering Straits was a bridge between America and Asia. But for a few thousand years, in Asia, they had invading armies to-ing and fro-ing, huge infusions of different kinds of genes into the population from Genghis Khan, from the Mongols, from the Manchus, God knows how many invasions. And in the other, isolation, with only the buffaloes, until the white men came and they were weak and defenceless against white men’s diseases and were eliminated. So whilst they were identical in stock, origin, they ended up different. “I didn’t start off with that knowledge. But by observation, reading, watching, arguing, asking, that is the conclusion I’ve come to. “This is something which I have read and I tested against my observations. We read many things. The fact that it’s in print and repeated by three, four authors does not make it true. They may all be wrong. But through my own experience, meeting people, talking to them, watching them, I concluded: yes, there is this difference. Then it becomes part of the accepted facts of life, for me.”
     

    “In the older generations, economics and culture settled it. The pattern of procreation was settled by economics and culture. The richer you are, the more successful you are, the more wives you have, the more children you have. That’s the way it was settled. I am the son of a successful chap. I myself am successful, so I marry young and I marry more wives and I have more children. You read Hong Lou Meng, A Dream of the Red Chamber, or you read Jin Ping Mei, and you’ll find Chinese society in the 16th, 17th century described. So the successful merchant or the mandarin, he gets the pick of all the rich men’s daughters and the prettiest village girls and has probably five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten different wives and concubines and many children. And the poor labourer who’s dumb and slow, he’s neutered. It’s like the lion or the stag that’s outside the flock. He has no harems, so he does not pass his genes down. So, in that way, a smarter population emerges.
     
    https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Kuan-Yew-Man-Ideas/dp/9814677620

    Although lawyer from England, which is where the usually effective recipe in terms of legal and political system in the last years.
     
    Out of the 57 colonies, dominions and territories of the British Empire, only a handful managed to reach upper income levels 50 years after independence.

    Singapore
    Hong Kong
    Australia
    Canada
    Brunei

    Brunei is rich because of vast fossil fuel reserves. The other 4 countries are predominantly East Asian or Ango-Celtic (or at least, they were). Meanwhile, not a single Latin American, sub-Saharan African, Middle Eastern, or South Asian former colony of Great Britain has reached first world status. Not Nigeria, not Honduras, not Burma, not Egypt, not Sri Lanka.

    Only Singapore and Hong Kong.

    I wonder what the common factor is?

    And if the influence of English “software” was the key ticker, then why did South Korea and Taiwan develop all the same without Anglo influence? And why is China likewise on the path to the First World, while the Anglophilic India remains three steps behind, despite not being hindered by a legacy of communism?


    https://i.ibb.co/Jkw3h5L/AB6-A5-B67-CAF0-4-DC2-8-D27-E8121408-D0-E8.jpg


    Was it something in the soil in East Asia that made them magically adopt all the governmental best practices, while not a single South Asian, Middle Eastern, or sub-Saharan African country did?

    Please Dmitry, explain why it never occurred to the Oxbridge-educated Hindustani elite to adopt British governmental best practices? Did all these lectures in politics, philosophy and economics fly over their heads?

    https://youtu.be/iEtmVYYedbM

    Look at this BBC interview with Pandit Nehru. Watch carefully his diction and demeanor. The man comes across as more English than the Englishmen themselves.

    You think it never occurred to this Cambridge-educated member of the Fabian Society to import British software?

    Please read Gregory Clark’s works on British economic and social history. I’ve already linked to them many times, but you show no signs of engaging with the literature.

    This book adds additional empirically-backed explanations to the question of Western divergence.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RZFCPMD/ref=x_gr_bb_amazon?ie=UTF8&tag=x_gr_bb_amazon-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B07RZFCPMD&SubscriptionId=1MGPYB6YW3HWK55XCGG2

    Please read them with an open mind.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Philip Owen

  387. @Yahya
    @silviosilver


    – says it would have been better if, “like in Herzl’s Europe,” everybody [in Israel] were white, everybody speaking German
     
    Based. An exclusivist Ashkenazi Israel would’ve been a Middle Eastern outpost of Mitteleuropa, with a more functional governance and intellectual culture. Mizrahi redneck culture has depressed Israel’s cultural productivity way below their intellectual capacity.

    OTOH, Mizrahim keep Israel grounded. A substantial portion of the Ashkenazim have already cucked.

    A Faustian bargain.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Mr. XYZ

    There weren’t enough Ashkenazim post-WWII for an exclusively Ashkenazi Israel. Hitler had murdered six million of them, after all, and the Soviet Union did not open its doors for its own surviving 2+ million Ashkenazim until decades later.

  388. @silviosilver
    @Yevardian

    Check out this guy, one Amir Hetsroni. He is very worked up about Israel's transformation.

    youtube 4iqzCnm-gCM

    Some choice comments beginning at 31 minutes.


    tl;dr

    - wishes "Palestine" had become part of the UK rather than seeking Israeli independence
    - hates Mizrahi culture and wishes they had never arrived (elsewhere I've heard him say "this country wasn't made for you")
    - says it would have been better if, "like in Herzl's Europe," everybody [in Israel] were white, everybody speaking German
    - the interviewer tells him his wife is Yemeni Jew; Hetsroni: "How low can you go?!?"

    Unfortunately, in a thousand other ways he is a standard leftist degenerate idiot, and mostly gives evasive answers.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

    LOL:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Hetsroni

    There are trolls, but he’s an example of what I describe as a trollolol.

  389. @Yahya
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    They have the best rendition of the anal probing gray aliens. It is every bit as good as Airplane’s nordic eco-paradise space alien track, just different. Apparently the dracos don’t inspire rock musicians.
     
    I didn’t get a single reference you made in the above sentence.

    My knowledge of rock music is precisely zero.

    I’m very smart and sophisticated so I only listen to classical music.

    https://youtu.be/QNoJlWQGIGA

    https://youtu.be/-3EQQiwqCR0

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

  390. @ Yahya & Dima

    Gentlemen, this world is f☆cked because your generation cannot understand simple things such as:

    1) The most appropriate social system to definitely downgrade and utterly thrash a human population is the postmodern liberal democracy.

    2) If anyone managed to realize the Plato’s ideal Republic (pun intended), the dumbed down libtard democratic masses would immediately declare this ideal Republic fascism and the Philospher King that would have built such a state to be worse than a literal Hitler.

    3) That is why we are FUBAR as a species.

    4) Thank goodness we’re entering a population bottleneck at the other side of which there would be less of us humans, and more specifically less of the wishy-washy goody-feely libtards and worshipers of democracy and progress.

    5) Then we shall have our Platonic Republic or we shall have a fall of the Harappan Civilization redux.

    And with that I rest my case.

    • Agree: Yahya
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Did you watch the Vancouver documentary last time we discussed China and I posted to you this film? It was before the invasion of Ukraine.

    In this documentary, there is Chinese Bashibuzuk complaining about Chinese Golden Youth, who are identical Golden Youth as postsoviet Russia and probably Sisi's Egypt.

    Chinese Bashibuzuk says why don't the Chinese Golden Youth care about the "traditional Chinese traditions and customs".Why are they Westernizers, not Sinophiles, in Westernizers vs Sinophiles?
    https://youtu.be/IZs2i3Bpxx4?t=768.

    Chinese Bashibuzuk cannot interest the Chinese Golden Youth to visit his Chinese traditional house, learn the ancient romantic customs of China.

    More important question for me, not who is correct - probably both sides are correct as this is true for most conversations. This is why Plato's discussions always have multiple sides of argument. More important question, why all sides of the conversation has to be in Vancouver.

    , @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool


    Gentlemen, this world is f☆cked because your generation cannot understand simple things such as:
     
    It goes back way further than this generation. How many of these simple things did you understand at their age? I know for me, my reaction would have been a terrified "that's nazi as fuck!" Actually, wow, I hadn't thought about this for years, but there was a kid in high school when we were maybe 16 or 17, who said to me something like, "Hitler was a prick the way he killed all those Jews, but he had the right idea to create a master race, don't you think?" [ie his understanding of what Hitler was all about]. I just stared at him, trying to work out whether he was being serious or not, disagreed and then changed the subject. Internally, though, it shook me up think that anyone could have such thoughts in our day and age. (Hadn't 'racism' been proven to be wrong - factually inaccurate and immoral?) It confirmed to me the necessity of being vigilant about the threat of nazis rising again.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  391. @Ivashka the fool
    @ Yahya & Dima

    Gentlemen, this world is f☆cked because your generation cannot understand simple things such as:

    1) The most appropriate social system to definitely downgrade and utterly thrash a human population is the postmodern liberal democracy.

    2) If anyone managed to realize the Plato's ideal Republic (pun intended), the dumbed down libtard democratic masses would immediately declare this ideal Republic fascism and the Philospher King that would have built such a state to be worse than a literal Hitler.

    3) That is why we are FUBAR as a species.

    4) Thank goodness we're entering a population bottleneck at the other side of which there would be less of us humans, and more specifically less of the wishy-washy goody-feely libtards and worshipers of democracy and progress.

    5) Then we shall have our Platonic Republic or we shall have a fall of the Harappan Civilization redux.

    And with that I rest my case.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @silviosilver

    Did you watch the Vancouver documentary last time we discussed China and I posted to you this film? It was before the invasion of Ukraine.

    In this documentary, there is Chinese Bashibuzuk complaining about Chinese Golden Youth, who are identical Golden Youth as postsoviet Russia and probably Sisi’s Egypt.

    Chinese Bashibuzuk says why don’t the Chinese Golden Youth care about the “traditional Chinese traditions and customs”.Why are they Westernizers, not Sinophiles, in Westernizers vs Sinophiles?
    https://youtu.be/IZs2i3Bpxx4?t=768.

    Chinese Bashibuzuk cannot interest the Chinese Golden Youth to visit his Chinese traditional house, learn the ancient romantic customs of China.

    More important question for me, not who is correct – probably both sides are correct as this is true for most conversations. This is why Plato’s discussions always have multiple sides of argument. More important question, why all sides of the conversation has to be in Vancouver.

  392. @songbird
    @German_reader

    Have you ever thought of that cave in the Palatine Hill that supposedly nobody has been in for over thousand years? What could be in there?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupercal

    Replies: @German_reader, @S, @silviosilver

    Have you ever thought of that cave in the Palatine Hill that supposedly nobody has been in for over thousand years? What could be in there?

    To go off on a tangent, talking about caves, that was the setting for the unofficial sequel to Alien – Alien 2: On Earth – which I didn’t even know existed till I watched it yesterday. Unfortunately, it is utter, utter garbage. It’s pretty rare that I see a movie in which I can’t find something to appreciate, even if I hate the film overall, but this was one of them. If you only watched 10 minutes and got the sinking feeling that this isn’t going anywhere, you’d be absolutely right.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @silviosilver

    Never heard of it, but weirdly appropriate as the film Alien took some inspiration from the Italian-Spanish film 'Planet of the Vampires.' A very schlocky movie, but one which I think is stylistically impressive considering its low budget.

    (I very much liked the design, where they had someone guarding the ship, standing in a niche in the leg. Probably not practical though.)

    To round out the connections to Alien:

    I tried to watch 'Darkstar' once, but I couldn't take the fact that it was an ultra-low budget student film.

    I remember 'Lily C.A.T.' (anime) being passable. It was mostly impressive for skirting copyright by creating a mashup of Alien and The Thing.

  393. The Debrief UFO story is the “news of a millennium ” according to Tucker Carson. And no one gives a f☆ck. I still recall a time when people would have gone restless and would have asked answers ASAP. But not anymore. It’s Game Over. Time to terminate the Great White World.

    We’re all just animals now in a Babylon Zoo…

    (Amazing how prescient the lyrics of this song were, those who wrote them were very inspired).

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    Tucker Carlson does not know anything about UFO's. His information sources are CIA lies. There is 80 years of documentation from every corner of the earth and even beyond. He does not have any excuse; being a shallow person talking head is not an excuse.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Ivashka the fool

  394. @Ivashka the fool
    The Debrief UFO story is the "news of a millennium " according to Tucker Carson. And no one gives a f☆ck. I still recall a time when people would have gone restless and would have asked answers ASAP. But not anymore. It's Game Over. Time to terminate the Great White World.

    https://youtu.be/XCbAEkfXSDE

    We're all just animals now in a Babylon Zoo...

    (Amazing how prescient the lyrics of this song were, those who wrote them were very inspired).

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Tucker Carlson does not know anything about UFO’s. His information sources are CIA lies. There is 80 years of documentation from every corner of the earth and even beyond. He does not have any excuse; being a shallow person talking head is not an excuse.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    It's a common theme that most people won't be interested in this topic. This is already what people were speculating in the 1970s.

    Although it's not yet evidence people don't care, because the information is very restricted.

    When all Obama and Medvedev can say to us, is their good humor skills

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYzRY2XpLBk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHCSpm2kepo

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    All I wrote about Tucker was that he said the Debrief article should be in the news everywhere, while it ain't discussed anywhere outside the fringe alternative media.

    https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

    Instead of discussing the man and measuring your smarts against a TV personality, why don't you tell us what you think about the article itself ?

    I know that it is a topic you researched a lot, so why don't you write down your thoughts?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  395. Yahya says:
    @Dmitry
    @Yahya


    hard-headedness on behalf of the elites
     
    The elites have hard-headedness in terms of cutting the budget and emigrating their incorporation to Cayman Islands.

    The problem which some societies solved, is how to connect in responsive system, reward or punishment of elites to the success or failure of the local projects. Just like any managers in a responsible company, need to have good results, or rapidly to lose their job.


    CCP do provide a glimmer of hope.
     
    Hope of the emigration to Vancouver? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpxx4.

    would require a Lee Kuan Yew-tier philosopher king
     
    He was just a lawyer. Although lawyer from England, which is where the usually effective recipe in terms of legal and political system in the last years.

    And as a reminder, Ancient Greece hosted the greatest concentration of human capital in world history. We ought to listen more to Plato and less to the economists.

     

    Just in the 20th century, there were successful development projects.

    If you read about the history of 1970s Hong Kong, you can see what kind of work was there – from both Hong Kong Chinese and British people, to turn it into a governance success (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0920203X13482244)

    Hong Kong was one of the most corrupt places in the world. But they worked to solve this.

    https://i.imgur.com/J80LfJx.jpg

    Replies: @Yahya

    He was just a lawyer.

    I’m not talking about his professional training, but his personal qualities. He was a singularly capable leader, the closest real-life model of a philopsher-king in the 20th centurions. He possesses many of Plato’s essential qualities for rulers: a good memory, quickness at learning, broadness of vision, morality, courage, and self-discipline. And most importantly, he was hard-headed, wise, and rational.

    Lee was not one who believed in the politically correct egalitarianism of his day. He argued that every society had a segment of its population–say, the top 5 to 10 per cent–which was exceptionally able. These people, like the philosopher kings of old, would have to be thrown up through a meritocratic process, or actively sought out, and put into the top positions in government and the private sector. To charges that such an approach was elitist, Lee would counter that doing so would help raise the lot of all in society, more so than a pretence that all men were equally capable or talented.

    These observations led Lee to conclude that nature and nurture had combined to produce distinct “tribes” or ethnic groups which were different in their genetic and cultural makeup. Some of these were more predisposed to success. At one time, he contended that as much as 80 per cent of this was due to nature.

    “You take the American Red Indian. He is genetically a Mongolian or Mongoloid, the same as the Chinese and the Koreans. But they crossed over, according to the anthropologists and the geologists, when the Bering Straits was a bridge between America and Asia. But for a few thousand years, in Asia, they had invading armies to-ing and fro-ing, huge infusions of different kinds of genes into the population from Genghis Khan, from the Mongols, from the Manchus, God knows how many invasions. And in the other, isolation, with only the buffaloes, until the white men came and they were weak and defenceless against white men’s diseases and were eliminated. So whilst they were identical in stock, origin, they ended up different. “I didn’t start off with that knowledge. But by observation, reading, watching, arguing, asking, that is the conclusion I’ve come to. “This is something which I have read and I tested against my observations. We read many things. The fact that it’s in print and repeated by three, four authors does not make it true. They may all be wrong. But through my own experience, meeting people, talking to them, watching them, I concluded: yes, there is this difference. Then it becomes part of the accepted facts of life, for me.”

    “In the older generations, economics and culture settled it. The pattern of procreation was settled by economics and culture. The richer you are, the more successful you are, the more wives you have, the more children you have. That’s the way it was settled. I am the son of a successful chap. I myself am successful, so I marry young and I marry more wives and I have more children. You read Hong Lou Meng, A Dream of the Red Chamber, or you read Jin Ping Mei, and you’ll find Chinese society in the 16th, 17th century described. So the successful merchant or the mandarin, he gets the pick of all the rich men’s daughters and the prettiest village girls and has probably five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten different wives and concubines and many children. And the poor labourer who’s dumb and slow, he’s neutered. It’s like the lion or the stag that’s outside the flock. He has no harems, so he does not pass his genes down. So, in that way, a smarter population emerges.

    Although lawyer from England, which is where the usually effective recipe in terms of legal and political system in the last years.

    Out of the 57 colonies, dominions and territories of the British Empire, only a handful managed to reach upper income levels 50 years after independence.

    Singapore
    Hong Kong
    Australia
    Canada
    Brunei

    Brunei is rich because of vast fossil fuel reserves. The other 4 countries are predominantly East Asian or Ango-Celtic (or at least, they were). Meanwhile, not a single Latin American, sub-Saharan African, Middle Eastern, or South Asian former colony of Great Britain has reached first world status. Not Nigeria, not Honduras, not Burma, not Egypt, not Sri Lanka.

    Only Singapore and Hong Kong.

    I wonder what the common factor is?

    And if the influence of English “software” was the key ticker, then why did South Korea and Taiwan develop all the same without Anglo influence? And why is China likewise on the path to the First World, while the Anglophilic India remains three steps behind, despite not being hindered by a legacy of communism?

    Was it something in the soil in East Asia that made them magically adopt all the governmental best practices, while not a single South Asian, Middle Eastern, or sub-Saharan African country did?

    Please Dmitry, explain why it never occurred to the Oxbridge-educated Hindustani elite to adopt British governmental best practices? Did all these lectures in politics, philosophy and economics fly over their heads?

    Look at this BBC interview with Pandit Nehru. Watch carefully his diction and demeanor. The man comes across as more English than the Englishmen themselves.

    You think it never occurred to this Cambridge-educated member of the Fabian Society to import British software?

    Please read Gregory Clark’s works on British economic and social history. I’ve already linked to them many times, but you show no signs of engaging with the literature.

    This book adds additional empirically-backed explanations to the question of Western divergence.

    Please read them with an open mind.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Yahya


    member of the Fabian Society to import British software?
     
    I'm not historical expert of India. But you can guess, it doesn't benefit the elites in India, who have been looking after their own and cutting the budget for a few thousand years.

    In the Russian empire, anglomania was the fashion of the late 19th century. But they want import English clothes, not property law, legal system and anticorruption, which we could have guessed already https://youtu.be/4OXtO92x5KA?t=175.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Philip Owen
    @Yahya

    East Asia was a leader in civilization before colonialism. It's cultural capital was strong.

    The Arabs were broken by the Mongols and did not recover. The Turks took over and were certainly a great power even if the peasants were poor and the technology putchased.

    Latin America did, for an Anglophile while, produce Argentina, very much 1st world until the Brits were expelled.. Chile was also part of the informal British Empire and is close to recovering 1st world status.

    Nothing to discuss in SSA that does not apply to India. Egypt made some very serious attempts to break through but failed.

    The only remaining contender is India. Before the British, there were the Moghuls. So India did not have self government for half a millenium. On indpendence India was burdened with Fabian Society Socialism as shown above. Not just Nehru. Ghandi, like many African leaders had his economic opinions formed at the London School of Economics. Indeed that is where he was taught Hinduism or at least a Theosophist version. The LSE was a hotbed of socialism. It supplied the first and second rank of many ex colonial administations. Hence generations of socialism from which the Japanese and Koreans, even the Maoists really, did not suffer. 50 years ago when I was a student, the mainland Chinese did not go to Doxbridge or London. They went to Manchester, Cardiff and other redbricks (newer universities) not so full of elitists with luxury beliefs.

    Replies: @Vishnugupta, @silviosilver

  396. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    He was just a lawyer.
     
    I’m not talking about his professional training, but his personal qualities. He was a singularly capable leader, the closest real-life model of a philopsher-king in the 20th centurions. He possesses many of Plato’s essential qualities for rulers: a good memory, quickness at learning, broadness of vision, morality, courage, and self-discipline. And most importantly, he was hard-headed, wise, and rational.

    Lee was not one who believed in the politically correct egalitarianism of his day. He argued that every society had a segment of its population–say, the top 5 to 10 per cent–which was exceptionally able. These people, like the philosopher kings of old, would have to be thrown up through a meritocratic process, or actively sought out, and put into the top positions in government and the private sector. To charges that such an approach was elitist, Lee would counter that doing so would help raise the lot of all in society, more so than a pretence that all men were equally capable or talented.

    These observations led Lee to conclude that nature and nurture had combined to produce distinct “tribes” or ethnic groups which were different in their genetic and cultural makeup. Some of these were more predisposed to success. At one time, he contended that as much as 80 per cent of this was due to nature.

    “You take the American Red Indian. He is genetically a Mongolian or Mongoloid, the same as the Chinese and the Koreans. But they crossed over, according to the anthropologists and the geologists, when the Bering Straits was a bridge between America and Asia. But for a few thousand years, in Asia, they had invading armies to-ing and fro-ing, huge infusions of different kinds of genes into the population from Genghis Khan, from the Mongols, from the Manchus, God knows how many invasions. And in the other, isolation, with only the buffaloes, until the white men came and they were weak and defenceless against white men’s diseases and were eliminated. So whilst they were identical in stock, origin, they ended up different. “I didn’t start off with that knowledge. But by observation, reading, watching, arguing, asking, that is the conclusion I’ve come to. “This is something which I have read and I tested against my observations. We read many things. The fact that it’s in print and repeated by three, four authors does not make it true. They may all be wrong. But through my own experience, meeting people, talking to them, watching them, I concluded: yes, there is this difference. Then it becomes part of the accepted facts of life, for me.”
     

    “In the older generations, economics and culture settled it. The pattern of procreation was settled by economics and culture. The richer you are, the more successful you are, the more wives you have, the more children you have. That’s the way it was settled. I am the son of a successful chap. I myself am successful, so I marry young and I marry more wives and I have more children. You read Hong Lou Meng, A Dream of the Red Chamber, or you read Jin Ping Mei, and you’ll find Chinese society in the 16th, 17th century described. So the successful merchant or the mandarin, he gets the pick of all the rich men’s daughters and the prettiest village girls and has probably five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten different wives and concubines and many children. And the poor labourer who’s dumb and slow, he’s neutered. It’s like the lion or the stag that’s outside the flock. He has no harems, so he does not pass his genes down. So, in that way, a smarter population emerges.
     
    https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Kuan-Yew-Man-Ideas/dp/9814677620

    Although lawyer from England, which is where the usually effective recipe in terms of legal and political system in the last years.
     
    Out of the 57 colonies, dominions and territories of the British Empire, only a handful managed to reach upper income levels 50 years after independence.

    Singapore
    Hong Kong
    Australia
    Canada
    Brunei

    Brunei is rich because of vast fossil fuel reserves. The other 4 countries are predominantly East Asian or Ango-Celtic (or at least, they were). Meanwhile, not a single Latin American, sub-Saharan African, Middle Eastern, or South Asian former colony of Great Britain has reached first world status. Not Nigeria, not Honduras, not Burma, not Egypt, not Sri Lanka.

    Only Singapore and Hong Kong.

    I wonder what the common factor is?

    And if the influence of English “software” was the key ticker, then why did South Korea and Taiwan develop all the same without Anglo influence? And why is China likewise on the path to the First World, while the Anglophilic India remains three steps behind, despite not being hindered by a legacy of communism?


    https://i.ibb.co/Jkw3h5L/AB6-A5-B67-CAF0-4-DC2-8-D27-E8121408-D0-E8.jpg


    Was it something in the soil in East Asia that made them magically adopt all the governmental best practices, while not a single South Asian, Middle Eastern, or sub-Saharan African country did?

    Please Dmitry, explain why it never occurred to the Oxbridge-educated Hindustani elite to adopt British governmental best practices? Did all these lectures in politics, philosophy and economics fly over their heads?

    https://youtu.be/iEtmVYYedbM

    Look at this BBC interview with Pandit Nehru. Watch carefully his diction and demeanor. The man comes across as more English than the Englishmen themselves.

    You think it never occurred to this Cambridge-educated member of the Fabian Society to import British software?

    Please read Gregory Clark’s works on British economic and social history. I’ve already linked to them many times, but you show no signs of engaging with the literature.

    This book adds additional empirically-backed explanations to the question of Western divergence.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RZFCPMD/ref=x_gr_bb_amazon?ie=UTF8&tag=x_gr_bb_amazon-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B07RZFCPMD&SubscriptionId=1MGPYB6YW3HWK55XCGG2

    Please read them with an open mind.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Philip Owen

    member of the Fabian Society to import British software?

    I’m not historical expert of India. But you can guess, it doesn’t benefit the elites in India, who have been looking after their own and cutting the budget for a few thousand years.

    In the Russian empire, anglomania was the fashion of the late 19th century. But they want import English clothes, not property law, legal system and anticorruption, which we could have guessed already https://youtu.be/4OXtO92x5KA?t=175.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Is it fair to say that a lot of Russians admire the West for its achievements (accomplishments), prosperity, fashion, and culture but not for its politics?

    Replies: @Dmitry

  397. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    Tucker Carlson does not know anything about UFO's. His information sources are CIA lies. There is 80 years of documentation from every corner of the earth and even beyond. He does not have any excuse; being a shallow person talking head is not an excuse.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Ivashka the fool

    It’s a common theme that most people won’t be interested in this topic. This is already what people were speculating in the 1970s.

    Although it’s not yet evidence people don’t care, because the information is very restricted.

    When all Obama and Medvedev can say to us, is their good humor skills

  398. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP


    True, but we were not designed to run regularly.
     
    I think we were, actually. Just watch a documentary showing how the Khoisan and other hunter-gatherers in Africa spend their lives. The Khoisan in particular sometimes spend all day running in groups to encircle their prey. You just can't hunt wild animals by walking placidly in nature. Our ancestors needed to run and sprint all the time in all kinds of terrain.

    But conditions must have varied from one place to another. Our Ice Age ancestors in Europe probably spent more time in caves and refuges than their tropical counterparts but the need for food was constant and the means to preserve it rudimentary. I guess they needed to keep hunting in all seasons. Females, on the other hand, did roam around gathering other types of food, which in modern HG societies is often the main source of calories.

    regular walking and hiking are more natural and healthier.
     
    I don't think so. There is a strong relationship between VO2 max and overall health. But whatever makes one feel good is probably the best for each individual. I get into an optimal mental state after a vigorous run uphill to one of my favorite lookouts followed by a slow hike down enjoying the landscape. But I know that some other people prefer a workout in the gym, jogging on flat terrain or even not doing any exercise. As Pope Francis would say, who am I to judge?

    I find the Italian (South Tyrolean) brand La Sportiva to be ideal
     
    It's difficult to go wrong with La Sportiva. They've been in the business for generations. My summer hiking shoes are that brand too. But these days one must be careful with the low end versions of all brands. Apparently, there's not enough money to be made with technical apparel and they all cater to the casual wear segment.

    Replies: @AP

    “True, but we were not designed to run regularly.”

    I think we were, actually. Just watch a documentary showing how the Khoisan and other hunter-gatherers in Africa spend their lives. The Khoisan in particular sometimes spend all day running in groups to encircle their prey.

    I was thinking about just that when I wrote my comment. It was not a lot of running but a lot of (brisk) walking and tracking. They would exhaust the prey not by running it down but by keeping in constant movement, never letting it rest, tracking and following over several days until it collapses. Other animals would be hit with a poison arrow and then tracked and followed for a few days until the poison and exhaustion do their job. We are not like lions or wolves, we are unique in that we can walk briskly for days without resting much.

    And they would not hunt constantly. They would catch the prey, then relax and not do much for days. A large prey animal such as a giraffe could feed a band of people for weeks.

    Smaller animals were probably caught more frequently. These were caught in traps or snares; bushmen would walk a lot to inspect them.

    Our Ice Age ancestors in Europe probably spent more time in caves and refuges than their tropical counterparts but the need for food was constant and the means to preserve it rudimentary

    It would be similar, though large prey could feed people for a very long time (I imagine a mammoth could last a month). In warm months it was preserved by drying, in winter it could just be frozen.

    But whatever makes one feel good is probably the best for each individual

    Sure, I was just pointing out that we are built for walking a lot (many hours daily, which is hard to do in modern society) more than we are built for running or sprinting. Chronic runners often develop knee and other problems. Walkers don’t.

    To each his own, of course. Running is still better than being sedentary, and I suppose if one does not have time for long walks quick bursts will do. Aesthetically, I find that a walk is much more immersive of a natural experience than running.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AP

    I have to say that I genuinely admire the way that the Bushmen can lie around doing nothing and still be happy. One of my greatest struggles as I get older is that I seem to get bored really easily. I feel like I spend all day trying to keep myself entertained.

    ...

    what do you think about the dam? Right now I'm leaning towards Russia did it. It seems a hell of a coincidence that Russia allowed the water level to rise to an all time high right before the thing blew. Also, the animals in the Kherson zoo were all killed and I don't think the Ukrainian govt would do such a thing.

    Replies: @AP, @Matra

    , @silviosilver
    @AP

    Fleetness of foot would have been more useful for evading predators than for catching prey. Not that we have much hope of outrunning anything that wants to eat us, but if we're quick enough we might make a dash to safety (eg make it over a "wall") before they catch up to us.

    Walking is much more sustainable than running. I like to lift and stay lean, so I use walking as to increase caloric expenditure. If I ran every day, it would interfere way too much with lifting. But I would hate to lose the ability to run - it will happen some day, of course - so I still try to get some running in every now and then. As hard as it is, short bursts of sprinting is pretty exhilarating. I hate longer runs, which I find painful the whole way through and I can't wait till they're over.

    , @Mikel
    @AP

    Well, the word that best describes for me what I've seen the Khoisan do when they hunt is running. Long distance running, to be precise. But if you prefer to call it a brisk walk I won't start an argument over that. It's OK.

    Not that one should necessarily emulate hunter-gatherers for anything in particular if there's not enough evidence that it's good for us personally but the fact that all hunter-gatherers did have to do what I call running in the wild proves by itself what our bodies have been designed to do for many millennia. Of course they would typically be unable to outrun their prey but you can't possibly be successful at hunting with spears and arrows if you're not ready to run and even do the occasional sprint to get close enough to your target.


    Chronic runners often develop knee and other problems. Walkers don’t.
     
    This is probably true, although many of those problems stem from improper gear, overexercising or excessive weight. But walking is safer than running if you want to avoid injury. And static bicycle or treadmills are even safer. They're just a totally different thing though. I can get exactly the same heart rate and oxygen consumption on a treadmill as through uphill running but one bores me to death while the other revitalizes me.

    Moreover, I've never really tried Ivashka's type of trail running through forests and along rivers but the uphill running that I do is definitely good for my joints, as long as I use light, anatomical shoes. I believe I've even cured knee injuries by running slowly uphill for several days. This kind of exercise against gravity imposes a regular, moderate cadence, whether you like it or not, and the movements strengthen all your joints, making them work in unison. Somewhat similar to biking, which is also known to be joint-friendly. Running downhill is a totally different type of movement, much harder on your joints, so I usually walk or jog slowly down. This is all just my experience though. I can't back it up with any literature.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  399. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    So Poland has a 'historic sphere of influence', so does little England, Turkey, maybe even Romania or Lithuania. But Russia? Absolutely not !!!! that's imperialism!!!!

    And you expect to be taken seriously....:)

    Replies: @German_reader, @Boethiuss

    So Poland has a ‘historic sphere of influence‘, so does little England, Turkey, maybe even Romania or Lithuania. But Russia? Absolutely not !!!! that’s imperialism!!!!

    Russia has no sphere of influence. Or to be more precise, it is the middle of losing it.

    Spheres of influence are for strong or important countries, and Russia is the 98 lb weakling of this war.

  400. @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    >cap

    Sorry, can’t relate.
     
    Hat, (baseball) cap, running cap.... what do you call them in Canada?

    Hat evokes a larger item to me. With no further qualifications it would possibly be understood to be a cowboy hat around here, though I think I've sometimes heard people talk about hats when referring to caps, not sure.

    Also, why are military boots so stiff for the field then?
     
    I guess they're optimized for foot an ankle protection, like hiking shoes, not for uphill running. If you do a lot of uphill running with no freedom of movement for the ankle you'll soon get tendinitis, as I found out years ago, when I was new to the trail running vogue.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    It was a joke about wearing Dastar instead of topi.

    Gonna go with Lowa Zephyr next boot allotment.

    Still lot of work till then.

    To say the least. 😂

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    It was a joke about wearing Dastar instead of topi.
     
    So have Sikh headwear companies started publishing pride ads or are we not there yet?

    Honest question. The North Face used to be a serious technical wear company. It goes in the name. You would buy their stuff for Himalaya expeditions and such. Now they're just another woke brand. The other day they released an ad with a drag queen fooling around in the mountains. It's insane. There's no relationship between drag queens and mountains whatsoever. You don't wear wigs, gowns, tons of makeup and high heels in the outdoors. So turban lgbt ads would not surprise me much anymore.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  401. @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    Btw, for Yahya or anyone else into film, that’s a must-see. One of Hitchcock’s very best, my favourite of his alongside The 39 Steps. And Cary Grant always looked magnificent, so rare for such a handsome actor to have great comedic timing.
     
    I’ve watched 3 Hitchcock movies this year, but none of the ones you mentioned. So far my favorite Hitchcock film is Vertigo. The others were good but not outstanding, although they are consistently entertaining to watch and pleasing on the eye (Hitchock is a gifted cinematographer and cast recruiter). I’ve seen Cary Grant in Notorious and Suspicion, alongside Ingrid Bergman and Joan Fontaine, two very beautiful and elegant actresses. I wonder where these old upper class WASP American actors/actresses disappeared off to? They make the present-day pop tarts look like the trash that they are. A big loss to American cinema and culture more broadly, if you ask me.

    Ingrid Bergman held a high regard for both Hitchcock and Grant, the latter of whom she described as “the nicest co-star i’ve worked with”.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    So far my favorite Hitchcock film is Vertigo.

    North-by-northwest is pretty good, but not at the same level as Vertigo.

    Other Hitchcock films I’ve enjoyed are Dial M for Murder, Rear Window and Psycho. All very worthwhile imo.

    I’ve also seen The Man Who Knew Too Much and Frenzy, but I wasn’t particularly impressed.

    Since my seconding Greasy’s recommendation of A Simple Plan proved to be such a flop, maybe I can redeem myself with a couple of suggestions that I think you’re unlikely to have seen: The Go-Between (1971), Don’t Look Now (1973) and Open Your Eyes (1997).

    Of all the ways in which the very, very white Australia I grew up in was still a very obvious offshoot of Britain (even though its elites had long abandoned any such loyalty), the main way in which it wasn’t – but which I wish it had been – was its lack of a rigid class structure. Why would I have wished for a class structure that would have assuredly frozen me out? Well, if you watch The Go-Between, you’ll have some idea. Because even the small glimpses I caught of the remnants of the British upper crust’s peerless refinement impressed me so much I’ve never forgotten it. Although it’s fair to say I have not modelled my life at all on their example, I still know quality when I see it – and they had it in abundance. In this movie, it’s on full display.

    Don’t Look Now could be classified a ‘horror,’ although it’s very short on actual scares. The film’s main strength is the mood it manages to create in each scene, where even when nothing much of consequence happens, it still builds up plenty of anticipation that something portentous is about to occur. The only fault I can find with it is the ending, which plenty of people have defended, but which to me was a letdown. A bad ending usually ruins the entire film for me, so that I still love this film is evidence of the high regard I have for it.

    Open Your Eyes (“Abre Los Ojos” in Spanish) is the original of the later American remake Vanilla Sky, with Tom Cruise. I liked Vanilla Sky, but Open Your Eyes is the superior film. In brief, an original, highly enjoyable thriller. If you watch it, do so without reading reviews first; it’s more fun if you don’t know where it’s going.

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @silviosilver


    Of all the ways in which the very, very white Australia I grew up in was still a very obvious offshoot of Britain (even though its elites had long abandoned any such loyalty), the main way in which it wasn’t – but which I wish it had been – was its lack of a rigid class structure.
     
    Australian TV programs make me think that white Australia is like my own region of England expanded into a country and in a hotter place. I wonder if the ethnic balance of white Australians is also similar, with a higher level Irish/Scottish/Welsh than you find in the south of England, it seems like it.

    Why would I have wished for a class structure that would have assuredly frozen me out?
     
    I have a reasonable amount of contact with them and I appreciate not being part of their class, at the same time I think their leadership is mostly a good thing. It is less demanding and there is less responsibility when you are lower down the chain, you don't feel rivalry with them and I guess they don't see you as a rival; only few people are successful enough to rise to acquire their level of status. I think there's some stability because of this hereditary aspect to status.

    The city where I work has one of Britain's top universities and there are members of this class around most of the time, the surrounding area is more the opposite end of the white social scale and you can see the two types side by side. This is when the persistence of the class structure is most obvious. In big cities it is maybe not as visible in the same way.

    I've seen and know something about the Russian/Post-Soviet ruling elite close up, the British ones don't have the same sort of brutal attitude to their lower classes and seem quite benevolent in comparison, for an elite.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird

    , @Yahya
    @silviosilver


    Because even the small glimpses I caught of the remnants of the British upper crust’s peerless refinement impressed me so much I’ve never forgotten it.
     
    I had a similar experience a month ago, when I visited London. My half-British friend I mentioned knew quite a few upper class Britons from his boarding school and university days. He himself can be considered upper class (his great-grandparents were top-ranking colonial administrators), although his half-Arab side does make him a bit of an exotic semi-outsider. Anyway, we had dinner with two of his friends, one of which was an unusually refined, gracious and modest English girl with a half-Austrian lineage. I didn't inquire into her background, but could tell immediately she was of high-breeding from her manners (and accent). Her demeanor was reminiscent of Samuel Johnson's description of Bennett Langton (the scion of an ancient English squirearchical family): gentle, unassuming, benevolent. As you mentioned, the "peerless refinement" is something to behold; it becomes ingrained in your memory long after first meeting, no matter how brief. I remember thinking, "here is the Gold Standard of mankind - God's best creation".

    OTOH, there is some variation within the WASP upper curst; not all of them are uniformly refined, or indeed even impressive. I met three other individuals from my friend's social circle, and they were quite mediocre. Evidently well-off and expensively-dressed, but lacking in grace and modesty. Two of them were your stereotypical "superficial rich girl" who didn't utter a single significant or memorable sentence during our long conversation. Nice enough in their own way, but shallow and unintelligent to an extreme. The third individual was an amoral chubby English fellow who was involved in some bitcoin scam operation, and only interested in discussing the latest crazy outburst from his hot-but-crazy gold-digger Ukrainian fiancé (admittedly the stories were quite entertaining.).

    I also met quite a few New England WASPs (and a couple of von Berge's) in my university days in the Northeast, but they weren't as impressive as the old-school Britons - just a cut below in refinement, and not as secure in their position. Perhaps a byproduct of the levelling effect of American egalitarianism. They were also relatively few in number, having been elbowed out of top-tier American universities by Asians, Jews and Indians. Again, even if the latter groups deserve these positions by virtue of meritocracy; the loss of a self-confident aristocracy is always a sad event for any culture, America included.


    Why would I have wished for a class structure that would have assuredly frozen me out?
     
    I agree with your sentiment. And not just for self-serving purposes. There are certain classes of people whom I regard as superiors, chiefly the artistic-bohemian milieu. I unfortunately lack the maniacal worth ethic and creativity needed to become a director, painter, writer or composer; but that doesn't stop me from supporting those who do, and hoping for their triumph and success. This is especially true for the Arab artistic/intellectual class, who as you know I am the chief promoter of in these forums.

    I think this is the correct approach one should take to superiors. Instead of envying and resenting, we should rather acknowledge their merits and hope they triumph, with the knowledge that their success would uplift the team. Admittedly, the class dimension does present unique challenges to attaining this ideal; in that the higher orders can often times be indifferent and/or contemptuous towards the lower orders, making it difficult to attain the support and well-wishes of the latter. Be it as it may, I still think the elites deserve some measure of support from ordinary people; because the fact is that only they can drive the progress of society and humankind more generally. If it weren't for elites, we'd still be living in caves.

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    , @Yahya
    @silviosilver


    Since my seconding Greasy’s recommendation of A Simple Plan proved to be such a flop, maybe I can redeem myself with a couple of suggestions that I think you’re unlikely to have seen: The Go-Between (1971), Don’t Look Now (1973) and Open Your Eyes (1997).

     

    I've watched The Go-Between (1971) and Open Your Eyes (1997) over the past couple of days.

    I did not enjoy watching The Go Between. Unbelievably boring plot. Neither the topics addressed, nor the dialogue, nor the characters interested me one bit. I do not care much for some boy's childhood experience as a message courier, nor of the petty lives of some dull English aristocrats. I thought the writers and director tried to wring as much drama as they could from a thin and banal premise. I don't see how Leo's "experiences" could have possibly traumatized him to the extent where he'd never engage in romantic relationships for the rest of his life. Simply overblown and ridiculous.

    The technicalities of the film were subpar. The cinematography was uninspiring, shaky and substandard. I cannot imagine a more monotonous setting then the Norfolk estate they were filming in. Moreover the characters did not impress me in the least. All of them are superficially portrayed except perhaps Leo and Marian, and even then no single salient quality stands out. Leo is a stock character of a young boy aged 13. Julie Christie is not a very expressive actress who relies on her looks to carry her through. Leo's friend and some side characters could not act if their lives depended on it. The pounding and foreboding piano music was out of place for such a calm countryside; more appropriate for a horror movie then a drama. Not a single scene in this movie evoked the least bit of emotional sentiment on my behalf.

    Apparently some people have given this film the "arthouse" designation. It is therefore appropriate to compare it some high-brow films of similar intellectual stature. The Go Between is just a vastly inferior production. Compare the cinematographic elegance of Bergman's Wild Strawberries; the emotive power of Mikhalkov's Burnt By The Sun; the intriguing plot of Farahdi's About Elly ; the musical score of Kieslowski's Three Colors; or the dialogic excellence of Ceylan's Winter Sleep. Jospeh Losey simply does not hold a candle against them. 5/10.

    Open Your Eyes was a much more interesting film. I watched it without reading any plot descriptions or reviews, as you recommended. Quite a good production overall, the concept is intriguing and original and the execution well-done. There is not much that I can discuss without spoiling the plot, as you know, so I won't delve into the details. But i'll just say that I liked the topics addressed in the film. No matter how many times people confidently proclaim that "looks don't matter, it's what's inside of you that counts" or some derivation thereof; it is rather clear to me that looks do matter a great deal, and is in fact perhaps the most consequential characteristic in an individual's life, alongside intelligence and wealth. There is no getting around the fact that good-looking people receive more attention and respect from others, men and women alike, no matter how crappy the personality. And that the converse is true for uglier people. I'm glad the director here portrayed it as it is.

    I didn't like Caesar on a personal level - he seemed self-centered to an extreme - but it was difficult not to sympathize with his plight. Facial disfigurement has to be the cruelest form of torture Heaven can inflict on a human being; even worse than having a limb sliced off. I'm pretty sure I'd just commit suicide if I were in his position. Caesar is also a good example of emotionalism run amuck; I couldn't but feel contemptuous for the hysterical, self-centered and undignified manner in which he handled his predicament. He should read up on his Seneca. But good movie overall. 8/10.

    I will be watching some Hitchcock flicks next. Reviews will be forthcoming.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  402. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...like the Anglo-French tried to do during the Phoney War over 80 years ago.
     
    That ended quite badly a few months later for the French.

    The Ukies will be ordered to attack and be bloodied. The neo-cons have been buying time by using Ukie lives because they can't face the reality of losing. Once that option is gone, the real hysteria will begin...

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Boethiuss

    The Ukies will be ordered to attack and be bloodied. The neo-cons have been buying time by using Ukie lives because they can’t face the reality of losing. Once that option is gone, the real hysteria will begin…

    The Ukrainians are going to attack and kick ass. The only way they are going to get their territory back is to take it by force.

    The neocons have some juice in that they have some influence in the Biden Administration and the Biden Administration has sent lots of kit to Ukraine. But the will to fight is coming from the Ukrainians. There’s nobody in the US ordering them to do anything.

    When offensive does start, Russia is going to fold quickly. Like you said they are spread out to thin. And there is no tactical or strategic necessity for Ukraine to attack any particular fortification.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @Boethiuss


    The only way they (U Krajina) are going to get their territory back
     
    That territory is Russian and inhabited by Russians. The Nuland's installed puppets in Kiev committed crimes against Russian minority and will not escape punishment. So far Russia is engaging in a slow velvet war that is causing West's destabilization and economic collapse and a rise of Russo/China dual empire.
    , @Beckow
    @Boethiuss


    ...When offensive does start, Russia is going to fold quickly.
     
    Riiight.... Is it happening now? Or next month? Or maybe in the fall?

    You live on fairy tales and desperate hope. It looks like the Ukies were bloodied - as I predicted - and Russia is not folding.

    What now? Are you going to scuttle away or change your moniker again? Or predict the next "offensive"?

  403. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Now imagine that an evil Philospher King read Plato's Republic text that you just quoted above, and decided to do exactly the opposite to downgrade a human population to the lowest level possible. In what political system would it be done the easiest way according to your understanding?

    Also, if a good Philospher King decided to follow Plato's advice in its detail, what do you think the resulting political system would be called by today's postmodern masses?

    Replies: @Yahya, @Dmitry, @Yevardian, @S

    Plato has likely had a more malign influence on human thought across millennia than other single man in history.

    From fields as diverse the Natural Sciences, to Religion to Politics, you can see the deep and negative legacy of this extremely gifted and dangerous lunatic.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Yevardian

    If we're going to talk about Greek philosophers, you should take a look at Aristotle and the perverted faculty argument. That's the original, pre-Christian argument against homosexual sexual activities (and masturbation as well and really any kind of non-PIV sex lol).

  404. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Now imagine that an evil Philospher King read Plato's Republic text that you just quoted above, and decided to do exactly the opposite to downgrade a human population to the lowest level possible. In what political system would it be done the easiest way according to your understanding?

    Also, if a good Philospher King decided to follow Plato's advice in its detail, what do you think the resulting political system would be called by today's postmodern masses?

    Replies: @Yahya, @Dmitry, @Yevardian, @S

    Now imagine that an evil Philospher King read Plato’s Republic text that you just quoted above, and decided to do exactly the opposite to downgrade a human population to the lowest level possible.

    I’ll take a stab at that.

    While in the Anglosphere, it certainly wasn’t all, or, even a majority of the Anglo-Saxon elites and their hangers on, it was a powerful minority of them which were involved in slavery and it’s trade which tended to ultimately accrue the bulk of the power for themselves, and dominate things.

    When slavery and it’s trade was monetized (as opposed to having been actually abolished) with the early 19th century introduction of wage slavery, ie specifically the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, a veritable revolution in the slavery industry had taken place.

    Without the benefit in reality of either a much needed change of heart, nor a change in their ways, the wealth and power of the historic slavers, ie the former slave owners/now wage slave (‘cheap labor’/’immigrant’) exploiters, the former slave dealers/now ‘labor contractors’, and the same financiers as before (who build and insure even more ships and modes of transport of all kinds now for the wage slaves, ie so called ‘cheap labor’/’immigrants’), grew exponentially.

    All former negatives that slave owner, slave dealer, and slave trade financiers, had formerly had to deal with with within the chattel slave system, ie old age care for the slaves, hospitalization, clothing them, etc, had now been safely outsourced (ie dumped upon) the rubes, also known as the non-exploiting general public, the vast majority of people, while still keeping the value of the systematically stolen labor for their slaving selves, via grossly underpaying people who had often been first reduced by their very exploiters to an unnaturally low state of being.

    Not only that, the former chattel slavers with the new wage slave (cheap labor) system got to play act that they were now the ‘good guys’, at their own people’s (not to mention others) great expense, when in reality they were (and are) every bit as rotten as before, if not more so.

    The renowned US based economist Henry Carey, in his 1853 book The Slave Trade linked below, concluded in his real time analysis of comparing chattel and wage slavery, that the then new wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) system of the Anglosphere was simply slavery by another name, and that this system tended towards making slaves of everyone.

    https://archive.org/details/slavetrade00caregoog/page/n6/mode/1up

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    So, within the Anglosphere, historically powerful elements of the Anglo-Saxon elites and hangers on are in effect unreformed slavers with their wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) system, and it doesn’t reflect particularly well on the broader Anglo-Saxon public that these slavery corrupted elites and hangers on, whom cared nothing about their own, were not overthrown.

    Within the same Anglosphere, powerful elements of the Jewish elites and hangers on have also been involved historically in chattel, and then later wage slavery (cheap labor) exploitation, neither good for their own (or others) either.

    In what political system would it be done the easiest way according to your understanding?

    Historically slavery corrupted elites and hangers on could misuse a ‘democratic republic’ for such a purpose. The Anglosphere ideology of ‘progressive Multi-Culturalism’, which has wage slavery (ie the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system) as it’s economic and political basis, would fit perfectly.

    The results of such a system, as the London Times gently put it in the mid-19th century primordial days of the Multi-Cult, would be an overall population which is ‘more mixed’, ‘more docile’, and, ‘which can submit to a master’, presumably this being the slaver’s idea of the ideal characteristics of the new man and woman which, unless something intervenes, are to populate the Earth.

    Also, if a good Philospher King decided to follow Plato’s advice in its detail, what do you think the resulting political system would be called by today’s postmodern masses?

    Any attempt to improve upon, or, even simply maintain, the good health, intelligence, and positive characteristics of a people in a racial or ethnic sense, irrespective of the actual political system, a republic, constitutional monarchy, or otherwise, would be quickly labeled ‘Fascist!TM’, and, or, ‘Nazi!’TM, not to mention the standard all purpose, ‘Racist!’TM. 🙂

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    The Carey book is outstanding.

    Have you ever seen that Ashalogos fellow's bit on the Oera Linda book where he says they refused to have anything to do with slave master tribes? He has an appealing fanatacism.

    Replies: @S

    , @Keypusher
    @S

    Sorry, this is absolute raving nonsense. Carey was comparing wage workers to slaves! What was actually happening was, for the first time in history, the common laborer was gaining the ability to earn a secure living from his labor.

    Carey, writing in 1853, can be excused for not seeing what was (slowly and painfully) happening. You have no excuse.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  405. @AaronB
    @Mikel

    Xeros are not just ultralight but barefoot - and perhaps I overstated the case to Dmitry about how trending they are :)

    In truth I cannot recommend them, at least not without reservation. On one level they are the lightest and most comfortable shoes I've ever worn, with incredible ground feel, and I really wanted them to work out, but the soles are simply too thin for me and after about 10-15 miles my feet are literally killing me, I am walking through pain, and I'm limping for a few hours after.

    It's supposed to take months for your feet to acclimatize, but it's been over a year and I haven't really, so I've switched back to more cushioned shoes like Altra's. Oh well.

    But there are people who hike the AT literally barefoot, so YMMV.

    It's unfortunate that everything is so politicized these days and aggressive radical agendas are being pushed on unwilling people. I think conservatives are pushing back though as the recent Budweiser fiasco is showing.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    I think conservatives are pushing back though as the recent Budweiser fiasco is showing.

    Yes, conservatives are pushing back by buying other beer brands of the same parent company lol.

    It’s quite depressing actually. The Bud Light fiasco shows that many people are fed up with big execs of large corporations hating them and pushing woke values non-stop down their throats. They’re definitely willing to punish those companies by buying somewhere else but all they can do is token gestures that lead nowhere. Their media and representatives don’t stop congratulating them and reporting daily how much revenue Bud Light and Target have lost but they don’t seem to care if all that money goes to equally woke corporations instead. It’s too much effort to put up a list of non-woke companies where people could spend their money and really make a difference.

    Leftists are not like that at all. They are much better organized and have groups like ACLU, ADF, etc whose sole purpose is to maintain lists of individuals, companies and institutions that deviate from leftists dogmas. They are ruthless cancelling people, companies or whatever gets in their way.

    It’s just a fact of life in Western societies that leftists are on average smarter (or perhaps I should say less dumb) than conservatives. People actually sense this and it’s just easier for the masses to go along with the smarter people’s message. Last Sunday there was a huge Pride parade in Salt Lake City. 16,000 participants in the parade and 30-40k people gathered around it in the middle of Red America. These are real figures, I’ve been to that parade twice to see what it’s like and the crowds are huge. The Utah Pride website has a page with all the sponsors of their events and Walmart and Smiths (main competitors of Target here) are featured prominently. The SLC Police Department did not only protect the parade but actually took part in it with its own delegation of lgtbq officers. OK, this would be more difficult to imagine in more conservative districts of the state but everything will come in due time. Who would have imagined some years ago a huge parade of local drag queens and queers of all stripes marching in front of the great Mormon Temple?

    Anyway, I don’t even know how much you relate to all of this being a New Yorker but don’t worry too much if you finally decide to drive west draped in a BLM flag. You may get some strange looks but it’s unlikely to go beyond that. It’s not like me driving to Portland or Seattle with a big MAGA flag 🙂

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mikel

    A lot of this stuff goes in cycles.

    I know that this sounds crazy but I have researched this extensively and I truly believe that when fiat currency dies, modern liberalism will die with it. The power of the left is totally based on their ability to print money. When they lose that ability, they will lose the bulk of their power.

    Which isn't to say that things are going to go back to the way they were in the 1990's or anything, in fact I don't expect everyday life to be any different at all, but you won't have the same liberal stranglehold over academia, business, culture, media and government that you have today.

  406. @AP
    @Mikel


    "True, but we were not designed to run regularly."

    I think we were, actually. Just watch a documentary showing how the Khoisan and other hunter-gatherers in Africa spend their lives. The Khoisan in particular sometimes spend all day running in groups to encircle their prey.
     

    I was thinking about just that when I wrote my comment. It was not a lot of running but a lot of (brisk) walking and tracking. They would exhaust the prey not by running it down but by keeping in constant movement, never letting it rest, tracking and following over several days until it collapses. Other animals would be hit with a poison arrow and then tracked and followed for a few days until the poison and exhaustion do their job. We are not like lions or wolves, we are unique in that we can walk briskly for days without resting much.

    https://i.imgur.com/RoK0iKp.png

    And they would not hunt constantly. They would catch the prey, then relax and not do much for days. A large prey animal such as a giraffe could feed a band of people for weeks.

    https://i.imgur.com/TUiLU4O.png

    Smaller animals were probably caught more frequently. These were caught in traps or snares; bushmen would walk a lot to inspect them.


    Our Ice Age ancestors in Europe probably spent more time in caves and refuges than their tropical counterparts but the need for food was constant and the means to preserve it rudimentary
     
    It would be similar, though large prey could feed people for a very long time (I imagine a mammoth could last a month). In warm months it was preserved by drying, in winter it could just be frozen.

    But whatever makes one feel good is probably the best for each individual
     
    Sure, I was just pointing out that we are built for walking a lot (many hours daily, which is hard to do in modern society) more than we are built for running or sprinting. Chronic runners often develop knee and other problems. Walkers don't.

    To each his own, of course. Running is still better than being sedentary, and I suppose if one does not have time for long walks quick bursts will do. Aesthetically, I find that a walk is much more immersive of a natural experience than running.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @silviosilver, @Mikel

    I have to say that I genuinely admire the way that the Bushmen can lie around doing nothing and still be happy. One of my greatest struggles as I get older is that I seem to get bored really easily. I feel like I spend all day trying to keep myself entertained.

    what do you think about the dam? Right now I’m leaning towards Russia did it. It seems a hell of a coincidence that Russia allowed the water level to rise to an all time high right before the thing blew. Also, the animals in the Kherson zoo were all killed and I don’t think the Ukrainian govt would do such a thing.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Greasy William


    what do you think about the dam? Right now I’m leaning towards Russia did it
     
    It’s a good opportunity to identify people who are gullible and/or idiots and/or hopelessly brainwashed people. Those who think Ukraine did it are exactly such people. These kinds of idiots would be insisting that Napoleon is the one who burned Moscow down.

    - There is no evidence of rocket or artillery strikes that night. Russia controlled the dam. So Ukrainian commandos mined the dam under the Russians’ noses?

    - Blowing up dams is typically what defenses do to slow down or prevent an attack. Dutch and Soviets did it during the world wars, Ukrainians did it north of Kiev early in the war to stop the Russian advance on the city. Russia is on the defense now.

    - The greatest amount of damage occurs to areas under Ukrainian control now, or areas Ukraine hopes to capture in its counteroffensive. Scorched Earth by retesting Russian forces is a Russian specialty.

    The possible real explanations are:

    1. Accident, mismanagement, human error. The dam was compromised, the Russian authorities weren’t able to manage it, and they did stupid things like allowing the reservoir to reach record high levels which led to structural collapse. Months ago Zelensky had been asking the UN to send inspectors there for oversight, but the Russians refused. Parallel to Chernobyl accident caused by reckless incompetence.

    2. Russians meant to create a limited explosion that would wash away Ukrainian forces who had recently taken some islands and would make crossing more difficult, but instead the entire dam blew (incompetence) causing a much greater disaster than the Russians anticipated. Evidence for this was Russian bragging initially, followed by denial when the scale of the disaster became clear. Analogous to the shooting down of the Malaysian plane - Russians bragged about taking down a military transport jet, then denied it and blamed the Ukrainians.

    3. It was deliberate and planned. By blowing up the dam this weekend, this part of the front will be uncrossable for weeks (even after the water recedes the ground will be muddy and impassable for tanks for a long time). Analogous to the Soviets blowing up a dam on the same river during World War II in order to slow the German advance, killing 10,000s of Ukrainian civilians and thousands of Soviet soldiers who were also swept away.

    I think (1) and (2) are most likely because a lot of entrenched Russian equipment was lost; this stuff would probably have been moved prior to the dam’s destruction had it been planned to go the way it went. (3) is possible if it was a local commander making the decision (spooked?), without taking into consideration Russian forces downstream.

    Girkin states that both Ukrainians and Russians were surprised and unprepared for the dam’s total destruction (see under “more”), suggesting that (1) or (2) are the most likely explanations.



    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1666347538780237825?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Russians changing their stories as the disaster unfolds:

    https://twitter.com/volodyatretyak/status/1666015265971118082?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @QCIC, @sudden death, @Gerard1234, @The Big Red Scary

    , @Matra
    @Greasy William

    There were lots of reports like this one last year by pro-Ukrainian sources claiming most, even all, the zoo animals were stolen by the Russians and sent elsewhere - the linked report says Crimea. At the time I saw pro-Russian sources claiming this was Ukrainian propaganda and that the animals were still there. I wouldn't be surprised if the partisans of both sides now flip and claim the opposite of what they were saying last year.

    Replies: @AP, @Greasy William

  407. @Mikel
    @AaronB


    I think conservatives are pushing back though as the recent Budweiser fiasco is showing.
     
    Yes, conservatives are pushing back by buying other beer brands of the same parent company lol.

    It's quite depressing actually. The Bud Light fiasco shows that many people are fed up with big execs of large corporations hating them and pushing woke values non-stop down their throats. They're definitely willing to punish those companies by buying somewhere else but all they can do is token gestures that lead nowhere. Their media and representatives don't stop congratulating them and reporting daily how much revenue Bud Light and Target have lost but they don't seem to care if all that money goes to equally woke corporations instead. It's too much effort to put up a list of non-woke companies where people could spend their money and really make a difference.

    Leftists are not like that at all. They are much better organized and have groups like ACLU, ADF, etc whose sole purpose is to maintain lists of individuals, companies and institutions that deviate from leftists dogmas. They are ruthless cancelling people, companies or whatever gets in their way.

    It's just a fact of life in Western societies that leftists are on average smarter (or perhaps I should say less dumb) than conservatives. People actually sense this and it's just easier for the masses to go along with the smarter people's message. Last Sunday there was a huge Pride parade in Salt Lake City. 16,000 participants in the parade and 30-40k people gathered around it in the middle of Red America. These are real figures, I've been to that parade twice to see what it's like and the crowds are huge. The Utah Pride website has a page with all the sponsors of their events and Walmart and Smiths (main competitors of Target here) are featured prominently. The SLC Police Department did not only protect the parade but actually took part in it with its own delegation of lgtbq officers. OK, this would be more difficult to imagine in more conservative districts of the state but everything will come in due time. Who would have imagined some years ago a huge parade of local drag queens and queers of all stripes marching in front of the great Mormon Temple?

    Anyway, I don't even know how much you relate to all of this being a New Yorker but don't worry too much if you finally decide to drive west draped in a BLM flag. You may get some strange looks but it's unlikely to go beyond that. It's not like me driving to Portland or Seattle with a big MAGA flag :-)

    Replies: @Greasy William

    A lot of this stuff goes in cycles.

    I know that this sounds crazy but I have researched this extensively and I truly believe that when fiat currency dies, modern liberalism will die with it. The power of the left is totally based on their ability to print money. When they lose that ability, they will lose the bulk of their power.

    Which isn’t to say that things are going to go back to the way they were in the 1990’s or anything, in fact I don’t expect everyday life to be any different at all, but you won’t have the same liberal stranglehold over academia, business, culture, media and government that you have today.

  408. @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    Dmitry isn’t a Jew, he just has a bizarre love affair with secular Israelis. And, I’m not gonna lie, I kinda have suspicions myself that you may be Jewish. Because for an anti liberal American to be so hostile to Russia/Putin is strange.

    What exactly is strange about being anti-liberal and also opposing Putin?

    Let's review Putin's positions:
    Business rights - None, government can take your business at any time. Putin can have an executive executed and no investigation will occur. This has happened dozens of times. An oligarch steps out of line and falls down some stairs.
    Individual rights - None, can be sentenced to a labor colony for merely criticizing the government.
    Right to free association - Does not exist. Charges can be created for associating with political undesirables.
    Legal rights - None, Putin's government can override any specified legal right. Putin is not beholden to the legal system and can create laws and start wars without permission from the Duma.
    Gun rights - None, limited gun availability for hunting and the privilege can be arbitrarily revoked at any time.
    Political opposition to Putin - De facto banned through FSB executions of political leaders.
    Private media - De facto banned.
    Internet censorship - Fully supported

    What is strange is that so many on "alt-right" have rallied around a dictator dwarf and his totalitarian government just because he opposes ruling Western powers. It shows that many here have zero principles and only pretend to value free speech or other individual rights. Not a single dwarf defender has explained how having Slavs kill each other in trenches will undermine the Western status quo. This war has in fact reinvigorated NATO and US defense spending. French opposition to Ukraine joining NATO is over and previously neutral Finland has joined. Way to go dwarf.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    What is strange is that so many on “alt-right” have rallied around a dictator dwarf and his totalitarian government just because he opposes ruling Western powers.

    I can support Putin against the United States without pretending that Putin isn’t total trash on every other metric.

    I support Putin against the US/EU, but that is literally the only thing I support him on. I oppose him on Ukraine to the point that I have broken with Trump/Carlson/Gaetz and am strong on the side of the neocons who advocate for the US providing Ukraine with 100% military and financial support (although even now I prefer that Russia retain all its pre invasion territories).

    But I don’t hate Putin, and how could I? Yes, he is bad but he is fighting the United States. I wish he was doing it in a less evil way but undermining the US empire is, strictly in and of itself, a good thing.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    None of you people have responded to the big picture explanation of the Ukraine crisis which recognizes the entire mess as an extension of the cold war largely driven by the USA.

    At least three steps by the West laid the groundwork for this conflict. This is as simple as I can make it:

    1) USA unilaterally dropping out of crucial nuclear arms control treaties which is obviously a direct threat to Russia. Note that the world is still in the MAD era where lines between conventional and nuclear conflict are very delicate.

    2) Progressive expansion of NATO directly adjacent to Russia. Since NATO is specifically a military alliance intended to fight and defeat Russia this expansion is obviously a direct threat to Russia.

    3) Support for a coup in Ukraine which installed an anti-Russia regime which immediately and intentionally caused a civil war against Russian speakers within 50 miles of the Russian border. This was obviously a direct threat to Russia.

    Russia did not "invade" Ukraine. She picked the time and place to respond to these stupidly provocative and extremely dangerous aggressions by the West.

    Note that this situation has only a limited connection with internal Russian politics or leadership.

    How do any of you respond?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  409. @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    I would presume that a lot of Palestinian Muslims have at least some local pre-Islamic descent, even if these locals converted to Islam fairly early on, no?
     
    The locals chose to repudiate their Palestinian roots and converted to the Arabian religion of Islam, yes?

    Perhaps a limited number could stay by openly abjuring the non-Palestinian religion of Muhammad the Settler Prophet. However, that would be tens, maybe hundreds at the most. Sincere conversion is quite rare. Are you advocating "forced conversion"?

    Having Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, give a right of return to Muslims worldwide
     
    No worldwide grant by Apartheid Arabia is needed to solve the issue of Muslim Occupied Judea & Samaria [MOJS]. We are talking about a few million non-Palestinians, the descendants of colonial religious conversion. Some could go to other locations such as Persia/Iran, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. Wherever their non-Palestinian Prophet wants them to go.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The locals chose to repudiate their Palestinian roots and converted to the Arabian religion of Islam, yes?

    Perhaps a limited number could stay by openly abjuring the non-Palestinian religion of Muhammad the Settler Prophet. However, that would be tens, maybe hundreds at the most. Sincere conversion is quite rare. Are you advocating “forced conversion”?

    So, should Christian Europeans get expelled from Europe for embracing a non-European religion (Christianity was founded in the Middle East by a Jew) unless they agree to embrace atheism, agnosticism, Deism, and/or Greco-Roman paganism?

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. XYZ

    ROTFLMAO

    We are talking about potential solutions to the Muslim Occupation of Judea & Samaria. I suggested a practical option -- Compensated return to their ancestral religious homelands.

    Why do you refuse to engage with that idea?

    You keep flailing about with pathetic, obvious, and unsuccessful attempts to distract. First a strawman about a global claim on Apartheid Arabia. Then another about extinct populations in Europe.

    Is your objective to demonstrate that you can Lose Harder & Faster? -- If so -- Keep up the comic relief. We all need something to laugh at, and you are volunteering.

    PEACE 😇

  410. @Dmitry
    @Yahya


    member of the Fabian Society to import British software?
     
    I'm not historical expert of India. But you can guess, it doesn't benefit the elites in India, who have been looking after their own and cutting the budget for a few thousand years.

    In the Russian empire, anglomania was the fashion of the late 19th century. But they want import English clothes, not property law, legal system and anticorruption, which we could have guessed already https://youtu.be/4OXtO92x5KA?t=175.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Is it fair to say that a lot of Russians admire the West for its achievements (accomplishments), prosperity, fashion, and culture but not for its politics?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    West for its achievements
     
    It's the same as maybe most countries of the world.

    Elite always import the luxury things which are result of the more developed country, although in the Russian empire restrict for consumption of elite mostly (in Soviet time they opened more access). E.g. English shoes and clothes, German concept or ideas, European buildings, French literature and painting, Italian music.

    But they don't want to import more complicated parts of Enlightenment coding, because this would reduce their own power.

    So, as I posted to Yahya the video, there he says there is the story in 19th century, Russian ambassador probably with English clothes, trying to be English gentlemen, saying to the English people that he opposes democracy in Russia.

    -

    When the society like Hong Kong, was doing kind of stable installation of the more modern software, it was a difficult national project and a complicated engineering.

    It's not like the elite importing some Rolls Royce cars and drinking English tea.

    Governor Lord MacLehose's reforming would require also a lot of intention and compromise of the Hong Kong Chinese elite to reduce their profit from the corruption.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsMLbJQHnNY

  411. @Yevardian
    @Ivashka the fool

    Plato has likely had a more malign influence on human thought across millennia than other single man in history.

    From fields as diverse the Natural Sciences, to Religion to Politics, you can see the deep and negative legacy of this extremely gifted and dangerous lunatic.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    If we’re going to talk about Greek philosophers, you should take a look at Aristotle and the perverted faculty argument. That’s the original, pre-Christian argument against homosexual sexual activities (and masturbation as well and really any kind of non-PIV sex lol).

  412. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Well, I do have a good imagination, but I seldom if ever lie, not that I tell everything I could tell about myself or life in general. We all have our secret garden and a right to choose the information we transmit or not to others. I sure respect that right in other people.

    Now, in that particular situation we were three in the car. And more than 30 years later we still remember that we saw something peculiar.

    Although our memories diverged, while my mother simply recalls a light flowing over us, my younger brother (who was aged 9-10 years back then) told me two years ago that it was a sphere or an orb of fire, while I recall the prism or pyramid inside the light, but when I wrote about it yesterday I noticed that I don't recall anymore whether it pointed up or down. Also I was wrong yesterday when I falsely recalled that the sighting was on the left side of the car, it was on the right side, perhaps some 10 km away flying from us towards the horizon in the early morning sky. Then suddenly it came back without making a turn, at a high speed and now I recall that when it passed above us it was eerily silent and yes a few cars around us tried to stop before resuming their way. Yars later, while camping on a mediterranean beach with friends, I saw a small meteorite disintegrating above the sea and falling in the water, there was a noise that was impossible to miss. Therefore, another thing that makes me believe that we saw something artificial that morning is not only the unnatural way it moved (going at an opposite direction at a very sharp angle without turning), but also the fact that it was silent the fraction of time it passed over our car. At least its noise level was low enough for me to hear nothing beside the noises of the car. The windows of the car were closed though. Anyway, bottom line, I don't know what it was or where it came from, but we saw something unusual.

    And yeah, about the authorities, the important people
    having good imagination and the UFOs:

    https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

    I think that might be next distraction after the Covid and the war in Ukraine.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    How high up in the sky (very roughly) was this object? At an altitude planes might fly at, lower, higher?

    Memories are funny things. I have always believed I have a very good one, and I have found this belief confirmed in a few ways, and yet there are some memories that, intellectually, I know are impossible the way I recall them, yet every time I think of them I remember them the same incorrect way. Eg conversations in a car in Europe where I was the driver, but the driver’s seat is on the right (as it is in Australia); or placing someone that had died in the memory of a trip with a group friends that took place when that person was dead.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @silviosilver

    My favorite datum is Marcus Allen's 65 yard Super Bowl gallop. I thought I had a flashbulb memory of this for thirty years. Then one day I saw it again on youtube.

    In my ludicrous memory he wore a white jersey. In real time back then it was black. That is sort of a maximum possible error.

  413. @Ivashka the fool
    @ Yahya & Dima

    Gentlemen, this world is f☆cked because your generation cannot understand simple things such as:

    1) The most appropriate social system to definitely downgrade and utterly thrash a human population is the postmodern liberal democracy.

    2) If anyone managed to realize the Plato's ideal Republic (pun intended), the dumbed down libtard democratic masses would immediately declare this ideal Republic fascism and the Philospher King that would have built such a state to be worse than a literal Hitler.

    3) That is why we are FUBAR as a species.

    4) Thank goodness we're entering a population bottleneck at the other side of which there would be less of us humans, and more specifically less of the wishy-washy goody-feely libtards and worshipers of democracy and progress.

    5) Then we shall have our Platonic Republic or we shall have a fall of the Harappan Civilization redux.

    And with that I rest my case.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @silviosilver

    Gentlemen, this world is f☆cked because your generation cannot understand simple things such as:

    It goes back way further than this generation. How many of these simple things did you understand at their age? I know for me, my reaction would have been a terrified “that’s nazi as fuck!” Actually, wow, I hadn’t thought about this for years, but there was a kid in high school when we were maybe 16 or 17, who said to me something like, “Hitler was a prick the way he killed all those Jews, but he had the right idea to create a master race, don’t you think?” [ie his understanding of what Hitler was all about]. I just stared at him, trying to work out whether he was being serious or not, disagreed and then changed the subject. Internally, though, it shook me up think that anyone could have such thoughts in our day and age. (Hadn’t ‘racism’ been proven to be wrong – factually inaccurate and immoral?) It confirmed to me the necessity of being vigilant about the threat of nazis rising again.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @silviosilver


    I know for me, my reaction would have been a terrified “that’s nazi as fuck!”
     
    Sure. That would have also been my reaction until around 1992. What I saw and experienced in the early post-Soviet 90ies and during my life in the West afterwards has changed me completely. I now see things in a different light. And what is happening in Ukraine nowadays is reinforcing my pov about the current social, demographic and geopolitical dynamics.
  414. @AP
    @Mikel


    "True, but we were not designed to run regularly."

    I think we were, actually. Just watch a documentary showing how the Khoisan and other hunter-gatherers in Africa spend their lives. The Khoisan in particular sometimes spend all day running in groups to encircle their prey.
     

    I was thinking about just that when I wrote my comment. It was not a lot of running but a lot of (brisk) walking and tracking. They would exhaust the prey not by running it down but by keeping in constant movement, never letting it rest, tracking and following over several days until it collapses. Other animals would be hit with a poison arrow and then tracked and followed for a few days until the poison and exhaustion do their job. We are not like lions or wolves, we are unique in that we can walk briskly for days without resting much.

    https://i.imgur.com/RoK0iKp.png

    And they would not hunt constantly. They would catch the prey, then relax and not do much for days. A large prey animal such as a giraffe could feed a band of people for weeks.

    https://i.imgur.com/TUiLU4O.png

    Smaller animals were probably caught more frequently. These were caught in traps or snares; bushmen would walk a lot to inspect them.


    Our Ice Age ancestors in Europe probably spent more time in caves and refuges than their tropical counterparts but the need for food was constant and the means to preserve it rudimentary
     
    It would be similar, though large prey could feed people for a very long time (I imagine a mammoth could last a month). In warm months it was preserved by drying, in winter it could just be frozen.

    But whatever makes one feel good is probably the best for each individual
     
    Sure, I was just pointing out that we are built for walking a lot (many hours daily, which is hard to do in modern society) more than we are built for running or sprinting. Chronic runners often develop knee and other problems. Walkers don't.

    To each his own, of course. Running is still better than being sedentary, and I suppose if one does not have time for long walks quick bursts will do. Aesthetically, I find that a walk is much more immersive of a natural experience than running.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @silviosilver, @Mikel

    Fleetness of foot would have been more useful for evading predators than for catching prey. Not that we have much hope of outrunning anything that wants to eat us, but if we’re quick enough we might make a dash to safety (eg make it over a “wall”) before they catch up to us.

    Walking is much more sustainable than running. I like to lift and stay lean, so I use walking as to increase caloric expenditure. If I ran every day, it would interfere way too much with lifting. But I would hate to lose the ability to run – it will happen some day, of course – so I still try to get some running in every now and then. As hard as it is, short bursts of sprinting is pretty exhilarating. I hate longer runs, which I find painful the whole way through and I can’t wait till they’re over.

  415. Another informative show, which among other things, includes a slam on the character assassination trolls who don’t challenge the fact based observations:

    Regarding pro-Kiev regime BS:

  416. https://www.rt.com/russia/577573-ukraine-destroyed-kherson-dam/

    Making the rounds, an improvement over the BBC, CNN and MSNBC:

  417. @silviosilver
    @Yahya


    So far my favorite Hitchcock film is Vertigo.
     
    North-by-northwest is pretty good, but not at the same level as Vertigo.

    Other Hitchcock films I've enjoyed are Dial M for Murder, Rear Window and Psycho. All very worthwhile imo.

    I've also seen The Man Who Knew Too Much and Frenzy, but I wasn't particularly impressed.

    Since my seconding Greasy's recommendation of A Simple Plan proved to be such a flop, maybe I can redeem myself with a couple of suggestions that I think you're unlikely to have seen: The Go-Between (1971), Don't Look Now (1973) and Open Your Eyes (1997).

    Of all the ways in which the very, very white Australia I grew up in was still a very obvious offshoot of Britain (even though its elites had long abandoned any such loyalty), the main way in which it wasn't - but which I wish it had been - was its lack of a rigid class structure. Why would I have wished for a class structure that would have assuredly frozen me out? Well, if you watch The Go-Between, you'll have some idea. Because even the small glimpses I caught of the remnants of the British upper crust's peerless refinement impressed me so much I've never forgotten it. Although it's fair to say I have not modelled my life at all on their example, I still know quality when I see it - and they had it in abundance. In this movie, it's on full display.

    Don't Look Now could be classified a 'horror,' although it's very short on actual scares. The film's main strength is the mood it manages to create in each scene, where even when nothing much of consequence happens, it still builds up plenty of anticipation that something portentous is about to occur. The only fault I can find with it is the ending, which plenty of people have defended, but which to me was a letdown. A bad ending usually ruins the entire film for me, so that I still love this film is evidence of the high regard I have for it.

    Open Your Eyes ("Abre Los Ojos" in Spanish) is the original of the later American remake Vanilla Sky, with Tom Cruise. I liked Vanilla Sky, but Open Your Eyes is the superior film. In brief, an original, highly enjoyable thriller. If you watch it, do so without reading reviews first; it's more fun if you don't know where it's going.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Yahya, @Yahya

    Of all the ways in which the very, very white Australia I grew up in was still a very obvious offshoot of Britain (even though its elites had long abandoned any such loyalty), the main way in which it wasn’t – but which I wish it had been – was its lack of a rigid class structure.

    Australian TV programs make me think that white Australia is like my own region of England expanded into a country and in a hotter place. I wonder if the ethnic balance of white Australians is also similar, with a higher level Irish/Scottish/Welsh than you find in the south of England, it seems like it.

    Why would I have wished for a class structure that would have assuredly frozen me out?

    I have a reasonable amount of contact with them and I appreciate not being part of their class, at the same time I think their leadership is mostly a good thing. It is less demanding and there is less responsibility when you are lower down the chain, you don’t feel rivalry with them and I guess they don’t see you as a rival; only few people are successful enough to rise to acquire their level of status. I think there’s some stability because of this hereditary aspect to status.

    The city where I work has one of Britain’s top universities and there are members of this class around most of the time, the surrounding area is more the opposite end of the white social scale and you can see the two types side by side. This is when the persistence of the class structure is most obvious. In big cities it is maybe not as visible in the same way.

    I’ve seen and know something about the Russian/Post-Soviet ruling elite close up, the British ones don’t have the same sort of brutal attitude to their lower classes and seem quite benevolent in comparison, for an elite.

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    I’ve seen and know something about the Russian/Post-Soviet ruling elite close up, the British ones don’t have the same sort of brutal attitude to their lower classes and seem quite benevolent in comparison, for an elite.
     
    Most post-Soviet elites are scum. And yes they are quite brutal, in fact talking in a superior and rigid or outright aggressive manner to someone of an inferior social status is a social marker of an elite Noviop. And the lower social strata often imitate this attitude to try pretending that they are higher in the pecking order. I witnessed first hand while going back to Moscow and hanging out with childhood/youth friends that didn't live abroad. Some of them, really had an unpleasant attitude towards service personnel in a hotel or a restaurant, or towards the taxi drivers. I felt uneasy when it happened because I always try to be as polite as possible with people who attend to my needs.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @S

    , @songbird
    @Coconuts


    I wonder if the ethnic balance of white Australians is also similar, with a higher level Irish/Scottish/Welsh than you find in the south of England, it seems like it.
     
    Before mass migration into Australia started to show its effects, I remember thinking that Australia had good aesthetics. Am thinking part of that may have been genetic similarity theory.

    A pity it didn't hold out. But I guess that is the tragedy of globalism.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  418. I agree that memories are another land, we kind of travel to them and rediscover them each time we think of long gone moments. And I agree that sometimes we are completely mistaken while we recall a particular situation. The mnemonic accuracy is also quite variable from a situation to another and from a person to another.

    The object was flying approximately south west when I noticed it. It was just a light going towards the horizon ans in the beginning it was just a moderately shining light against the morning sky. It was around 7h00 am. Then it suddenly changed direction and in a few seconds time (probably around 10 seconds) it was nearly over our car. That is when I told my mom and brother to look at it. Other motorists also seemed to notice it as well and started braking. Then it passed our car and as we drove by I couldn’t see it on the other side going further. Probably because we moved in a spot where this part of the sky was not easy to see and kept driving further from that place. Pacing over our car took it a couple of seconds.

    Your question about the height of the flight is a good one. I never really thought about it, all I can say is that when it passed over the cars on the road, it was probably just a few hundred meters high, although perhaps it is just my mistaken impression. There were no high objects around to compare and no clouds. But it certainly was flying lower than a typical plane would do. Also it had a very peculiar shape, at least that is the impression that I had at the time.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool

    UFO sightings are a tough one for me. Up until only a few years ago, my attitude was a hard "that's bullshit, period." Nowadays, I'm no longer so sure.

    One reason to be skeptical is that sightings seem to have exploded in lockstep with our capacities to send manmade object flying through the atmosphere and our knowledge of outer space. It's hard to believe the aliens would have timed it just right so as to arrive just when we started believing in the possibility of their arrival.

    On the other hand, maybe a belief in their possibility was required in order for people to give a "that's a UFO" interpretation to the sorts of things they'd been sighting all throughout the ages. And if people centuries earlier had seen UFOs, not only would they have lacked the language to describe them, but the communications infrastructure wouldn't have allowed them to be widely reported anyway.

  419. @Coconuts
    @silviosilver


    Of all the ways in which the very, very white Australia I grew up in was still a very obvious offshoot of Britain (even though its elites had long abandoned any such loyalty), the main way in which it wasn’t – but which I wish it had been – was its lack of a rigid class structure.
     
    Australian TV programs make me think that white Australia is like my own region of England expanded into a country and in a hotter place. I wonder if the ethnic balance of white Australians is also similar, with a higher level Irish/Scottish/Welsh than you find in the south of England, it seems like it.

    Why would I have wished for a class structure that would have assuredly frozen me out?
     
    I have a reasonable amount of contact with them and I appreciate not being part of their class, at the same time I think their leadership is mostly a good thing. It is less demanding and there is less responsibility when you are lower down the chain, you don't feel rivalry with them and I guess they don't see you as a rival; only few people are successful enough to rise to acquire their level of status. I think there's some stability because of this hereditary aspect to status.

    The city where I work has one of Britain's top universities and there are members of this class around most of the time, the surrounding area is more the opposite end of the white social scale and you can see the two types side by side. This is when the persistence of the class structure is most obvious. In big cities it is maybe not as visible in the same way.

    I've seen and know something about the Russian/Post-Soviet ruling elite close up, the British ones don't have the same sort of brutal attitude to their lower classes and seem quite benevolent in comparison, for an elite.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird

    I’ve seen and know something about the Russian/Post-Soviet ruling elite close up, the British ones don’t have the same sort of brutal attitude to their lower classes and seem quite benevolent in comparison, for an elite.

    Most post-Soviet elites are scum. And yes they are quite brutal, in fact talking in a superior and rigid or outright aggressive manner to someone of an inferior social status is a social marker of an elite Noviop. And the lower social strata often imitate this attitude to try pretending that they are higher in the pecking order. I witnessed first hand while going back to Moscow and hanging out with childhood/youth friends that didn’t live abroad. Some of them, really had an unpleasant attitude towards service personnel in a hotel or a restaurant, or towards the taxi drivers. I felt uneasy when it happened because I always try to be as polite as possible with people who attend to my needs.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool


    Some of them, really had an unpleasant attitude towards service personnel in a hotel or a restaurant, or towards the taxi drivers. I felt uneasy when it happened because I always try to be as polite as possible with people who attend to my needs.
     
    My wife told me about this problem, partly from her experience working in hospitality where they were among the clients and she has some relatives who are maybe in the middle or lower-middle part of the Rus Fed elite when most of the family are still fairly average income Belarusians. I was surprised by it being so stark.

    While I was writing about the good sides of the British elite, there are the bad sides, why working class people used to have counter-intuitive combinations of beliefs (like socialism plus monarchism, socialism and traditional religion), or people of Irish descent might have inherited wariness about them.

    The problem of what to do when aristocracy goes bad and becomes enthusiastic about weird beliefs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuR_yuDqOXw

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    And yes they are quite brutal, in fact talking in a superior and rigid or outright aggressive manner to someone of an inferior social status is a social marker of an elite Noviop.
     
    It reminds me of an account I read of a German who visited London in the 1930's, and had witnessed a London banker acting friendly and sociable towards someone of a lower social rank on the street. He said a similar scene would never take place in Germany with a Berlin banker.

    Both Germany and post Soviet Russia in each of these instances were much newer constructs than Britain, however. Perhaps given enough time the German and Russian elites would have mellowed out a bit towards their perceived 'lessers' as they had done (apparently) in Britain.

    I also read an account of Sir Richard Burton's trip to the American West during the Indian Wars (ie circa 1870's IIRC) and he had shared a stage coach with an American cavalry captain and his wife, and some others. He was impressed how there was no sign of class that he could observe. Apparently, the thing with class (from complaints of it I've read from Britain) is that it has the potential to be stifling, even suffocating, to both the human spirit, and endeavor.

    Relatedly, I once perused a Stanford Univ college yearbook from 1915 or so. Stanford was an ersatz West Coast wannabe 'Ivy League' school built for wealthy West Coast elites who wanted their kids to have a good education, but didn't want to send their kids cross country to the East Coast to get it.



    The Anglo-Saxon elites were still quite prominent and there were still 'Britishness' there. The campus dinners/parties the yearbook featured were called 'jolly ups', which I'm pretty sure was a holdover term from England.

    Interestingly, in a story about student life at Stanford, there was an admonition that the students in solidarity with the [1776 American] Revolution should always keep their guard up against manifestations of 'classism'. In 1915, of course, they were much closer to 1776, and had that much more awareness of it's tenets.

    About US elites, the horrid template which was in place with many of them and their hangers on during the time of slavery, ie via diktat the importing and employing of less immediately expensive alien [chattel] slaves, as opposed to employing and paying their own the prevailing real time local rates for the labor, aka a living wage, is the very same corrupt template, albeit even more malignant and destructive due to the huge numbers exploited, that remains in place today with wage slavery, ie the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system.

    The US Civil War was a major missed opportunity to have overthrown the chattel slave holding elites and hangers of the South, and their corresponding same ilk in the North, ie the wage slave (so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration') promoters and exploiters, neither group of which cared anything about their own people, and whom only 'cared about their slaves, and the ill-gotten wealth they generated.. A non-slaveholder such as Robert E Lee, an honorable man, would have been just the person to have lead the people of the United States in such an endeavor and in the enacting of a true abolition of slavery.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  420. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    Tucker Carlson does not know anything about UFO's. His information sources are CIA lies. There is 80 years of documentation from every corner of the earth and even beyond. He does not have any excuse; being a shallow person talking head is not an excuse.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Ivashka the fool

    All I wrote about Tucker was that he said the Debrief article should be in the news everywhere, while it ain’t discussed anywhere outside the fringe alternative media.

    https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

    Instead of discussing the man and measuring your smarts against a TV personality, why don’t you tell us what you think about the article itself ?

    I know that it is a topic you researched a lot, so why don’t you write down your thoughts?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool


    Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin
     
    This is about the world's proven worst source for facts.

    Intelligence officials say

     

    Repeat repeat for emphasis emphasis.

    The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36

     

    False. Whistleblowers are locked up in jail, exiled in Russia, or live nervous in South America where it is inconvenient for murdering feds to get access.

    Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors.
     
    Have you heard Vallee and Puthoff and Davis talk about this stuff? The information is so restricted you could not pull a pin out of their anus with a tractor they choose their words so carefully. No 36 year old pilot has access to diddly squat.

    Karl E. Nell, a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the Army’s liaison for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with Grusch there, characterizes Grusch as “beyond reproach.”

     

    Karl Nell looks like a weener-licker to me. I am prejudiced.

    Christopher Mellon, who spent nearly twenty years in the U.S. Intelligence Community and served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena.

     

    Christopher Mellon is the lead public voice of the current project which began in 2017. Day 0 of that project was an article in the New York Times by Leslie Kean and Max Blumenthal. Earlier lead public voices were Tom Delonge (since ejected) and Lou Elizondo (since ejected). I am misspelling Lou's first name. He uses some custom spelling which I spit on. Christopher Mellon may soon be ejected and replaced by Gary Nolan. You will notice if you listen to any of these people that they make no sense.

    To quote E. Michael Jones, "if it doesn't make sense it isn't true". I don't think he claims that as original; there are paraphrases going back to Confucius and Zoroaster. This article is gibberish. Leslie Kean has done splendid work in the past. She is now a CIA public relations worker.

    True fact: if you approach UFO's with an attitude of dogmatic materialism you are going nowhere.

    Also a true fact: the government denied UFO's even existed 1947-2017. Now they say they lied for 70 years but now they are speaking true. Ha!

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool, @Ivashka the fool

  421. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. XYZ
    @A123


    The locals chose to repudiate their Palestinian roots and converted to the Arabian religion of Islam, yes?

    Perhaps a limited number could stay by openly abjuring the non-Palestinian religion of Muhammad the Settler Prophet. However, that would be tens, maybe hundreds at the most. Sincere conversion is quite rare. Are you advocating “forced conversion”?
     
    So, should Christian Europeans get expelled from Europe for embracing a non-European religion (Christianity was founded in the Middle East by a Jew) unless they agree to embrace atheism, agnosticism, Deism, and/or Greco-Roman paganism?

    Replies: @A123

    ROTFLMAO

    We are talking about potential solutions to the Muslim Occupation of Judea & Samaria. I suggested a practical option — Compensated return to their ancestral religious homelands.

    Why do you refuse to engage with that idea?

    You keep flailing about with pathetic, obvious, and unsuccessful attempts to distract. First a strawman about a global claim on Apartheid Arabia. Then another about extinct populations in Europe.

    Is your objective to demonstrate that you can Lose Harder & Faster? — If so — Keep up the comic relief. We all need something to laugh at, and you are volunteering.

    PEACE 😇

  422. @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    If you (or, anyone else) is not familiar with the 1970 British series UFO it's worth a watch. Besides offering it's own explanation for the 'alien abduction' phenomena, it's got well rounded storylines and pretty good special effects for the time.

    Below is a clip of excerpts from the first episode called 'Identity'. [Beneath 'More' is the entire episode.]


    'Have you ever thought about the victims of UFO incidents? Have you ever considered their parents, brothers, sisters? What do we tell them? They live in agony for years, praying that someday their loved ones may turn up, clinging to a thread of hope.'

    'You realize, of course, that they can never know the truth!'

    https://youtu.be/EpF6o2-nx4I



    https://youtu.be/sBBSKdp_QKo

    Replies: @S, @A123

    If aliens are buzzing the planet, eventually they will be exposed. (1)

     

     

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://xkcd.com/2572/

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @A123

    Advanced civilizations, eh? Takes them all that hi tech gear and conferencing to achieve what our very own Bigfoot does by pure instinct.

    , @QCIC
    @A123

    Smart phones and cloud storage can be used to limit the number of actual pictures of aliens or classified human UFOs, assuming there are any valid sightings in the first place. I don't know if this has happened yet but I assume the hardware and software back doors are in place to make this straightforward.

  423. @silviosilver
    @songbird


    Have you ever thought of that cave in the Palatine Hill that supposedly nobody has been in for over thousand years? What could be in there?
     
    To go off on a tangent, talking about caves, that was the setting for the unofficial sequel to Alien - Alien 2: On Earth - which I didn't even know existed till I watched it yesterday. Unfortunately, it is utter, utter garbage. It's pretty rare that I see a movie in which I can't find something to appreciate, even if I hate the film overall, but this was one of them. If you only watched 10 minutes and got the sinking feeling that this isn't going anywhere, you'd be absolutely right.

    Replies: @songbird

    Never heard of it, but weirdly appropriate as the film Alien took some inspiration from the Italian-Spanish film ‘Planet of the Vampires.’ A very schlocky movie, but one which I think is stylistically impressive considering its low budget.

    (I very much liked the design, where they had someone guarding the ship, standing in a niche in the leg. Probably not practical though.)

    To round out the connections to Alien:

    I tried to watch ‘Darkstar’ once, but I couldn’t take the fact that it was an ultra-low budget student film.

    I remember ‘Lily C.A.T.’ (anime) being passable. It was mostly impressive for skirting copyright by creating a mashup of Alien and The Thing.

  424. @Coconuts
    @silviosilver


    Of all the ways in which the very, very white Australia I grew up in was still a very obvious offshoot of Britain (even though its elites had long abandoned any such loyalty), the main way in which it wasn’t – but which I wish it had been – was its lack of a rigid class structure.
     
    Australian TV programs make me think that white Australia is like my own region of England expanded into a country and in a hotter place. I wonder if the ethnic balance of white Australians is also similar, with a higher level Irish/Scottish/Welsh than you find in the south of England, it seems like it.

    Why would I have wished for a class structure that would have assuredly frozen me out?
     
    I have a reasonable amount of contact with them and I appreciate not being part of their class, at the same time I think their leadership is mostly a good thing. It is less demanding and there is less responsibility when you are lower down the chain, you don't feel rivalry with them and I guess they don't see you as a rival; only few people are successful enough to rise to acquire their level of status. I think there's some stability because of this hereditary aspect to status.

    The city where I work has one of Britain's top universities and there are members of this class around most of the time, the surrounding area is more the opposite end of the white social scale and you can see the two types side by side. This is when the persistence of the class structure is most obvious. In big cities it is maybe not as visible in the same way.

    I've seen and know something about the Russian/Post-Soviet ruling elite close up, the British ones don't have the same sort of brutal attitude to their lower classes and seem quite benevolent in comparison, for an elite.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird

    I wonder if the ethnic balance of white Australians is also similar, with a higher level Irish/Scottish/Welsh than you find in the south of England, it seems like it.

    Before mass migration into Australia started to show its effects, I remember thinking that Australia had good aesthetics. Am thinking part of that may have been genetic similarity theory.

    A pity it didn’t hold out. But I guess that is the tragedy of globalism.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @songbird


    I remember thinking that Australia had good aesthetics. Am thinking part of that may have been genetic similarity theory.
     
    I thought the same, for a similar reason. Maybe it hasn't gone completely, there must still be a decent number of white Australians around.

    Lately I've noticed more black Africans around in my own area (must be a reflection of the high level of immigration and number of asylum seekers). Early on the Sunday morning before we went away I was walking up a hill, there was no one around but me, just sheep and what turned out to be a group of Afro-Germans (looked mixed race but speaking German). Afro-Germans was a new one, especially in that place.

  425. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    The question he was asked is a journalist’s “gotcha”. Either you are good Jew who keeps it kosher or a good Roman Subject who licks boots of the Emperor. The answer so evasive that it becomes a literary punchline like something out of Aristophanes.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Evasive? Perhaps to a small mind! The natural eruditeness shown in Jesus supposed tough predicament (uh huh, they had him cornered) echoes down through the ages as an example of extreme wisdom. Would you have come up with a better answer?
    Caesar’s Coin, by Peter Paul Rubens (1612–1614)

  426. @A123
    @S

    If aliens are buzzing the planet, eventually they will be exposed. (1)

     
    https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/alien_observers_2x.png
     

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://xkcd.com/2572/

    Replies: @silviosilver, @QCIC

    Advanced civilizations, eh? Takes them all that hi tech gear and conferencing to achieve what our very own Bigfoot does by pure instinct.

  427. Some say that Rome lasted for a thousand years. Is it really possible that it was a genetic black hole for all that time?

    Or did some people in the city benefit genetically? Maybe, by making their fortune and retiring to the country. Or by sending remittances to their relatives.

    Didn’t some of the aristocratic families survive into the Middle Ages? But were they just living in the country?

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    Some say that Rome lasted for a thousand years. Is it really possible that it was a genetic black hole for all that time?...Or did some people in the city benefit genetically? Maybe, by making their fortune and retiring to the country. Or by sending remittances to their relatives.
     
    The site commentator 'Twinkie' wrote about this very subject recently at the excerpted and linked post below. He seems rather knowledgeable on the topic. [I excerpted a relevant portion, but the whole post is worth a read.]

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/uber-suspends-its-asian-dei-boss-for-objecting-to-the-karen-ethnic-slur/#comment-5980781

    During the imperial era, Rome’s population was genetically more Levantine-shifted (because a substantial number of Levantines – including Jews – came to the imperial capital as traders, supplicants, etc. – ancient analogues to today’s rootless cosmopolitans). Once the empire fell however, this population died off or migrated away without any further infusion from the east and Rome was re-populated by the native Italics from the countryside surrounding Rome. We know this, because we can test the skeletons in the Roman tombs and see the genetic changes before my very own eyes.
     

    Replies: @songbird

  428. @songbird
    @Coconuts


    I wonder if the ethnic balance of white Australians is also similar, with a higher level Irish/Scottish/Welsh than you find in the south of England, it seems like it.
     
    Before mass migration into Australia started to show its effects, I remember thinking that Australia had good aesthetics. Am thinking part of that may have been genetic similarity theory.

    A pity it didn't hold out. But I guess that is the tragedy of globalism.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I remember thinking that Australia had good aesthetics. Am thinking part of that may have been genetic similarity theory.

    I thought the same, for a similar reason. Maybe it hasn’t gone completely, there must still be a decent number of white Australians around.

    Lately I’ve noticed more black Africans around in my own area (must be a reflection of the high level of immigration and number of asylum seekers). Early on the Sunday morning before we went away I was walking up a hill, there was no one around but me, just sheep and what turned out to be a group of Afro-Germans (looked mixed race but speaking German). Afro-Germans was a new one, especially in that place.

  429. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    All I wrote about Tucker was that he said the Debrief article should be in the news everywhere, while it ain't discussed anywhere outside the fringe alternative media.

    https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

    Instead of discussing the man and measuring your smarts against a TV personality, why don't you tell us what you think about the article itself ?

    I know that it is a topic you researched a lot, so why don't you write down your thoughts?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

    This is about the world’s proven worst source for facts.

    Intelligence officials say

    Repeat repeat for emphasis emphasis.

    The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36

    False. Whistleblowers are locked up in jail, exiled in Russia, or live nervous in South America where it is inconvenient for murdering feds to get access.

    Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors.

    Have you heard Vallee and Puthoff and Davis talk about this stuff? The information is so restricted you could not pull a pin out of their anus with a tractor they choose their words so carefully. No 36 year old pilot has access to diddly squat.

    Karl E. Nell, a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the Army’s liaison for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with Grusch there, characterizes Grusch as “beyond reproach.”

    Karl Nell looks like a weener-licker to me. I am prejudiced.

    Christopher Mellon, who spent nearly twenty years in the U.S. Intelligence Community and served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena.

    Christopher Mellon is the lead public voice of the current project which began in 2017. Day 0 of that project was an article in the New York Times by Leslie Kean and Max Blumenthal. Earlier lead public voices were Tom Delonge (since ejected) and Lou Elizondo (since ejected). I am misspelling Lou’s first name. He uses some custom spelling which I spit on. Christopher Mellon may soon be ejected and replaced by Gary Nolan. You will notice if you listen to any of these people that they make no sense.

    To quote E. Michael Jones, “if it doesn’t make sense it isn’t true”. I don’t think he claims that as original; there are paraphrases going back to Confucius and Zoroaster. This article is gibberish. Leslie Kean has done splendid work in the past. She is now a CIA public relations worker.

    True fact: if you approach UFO’s with an attitude of dogmatic materialism you are going nowhere.

    Also a true fact: the government denied UFO’s even existed 1947-2017. Now they say they lied for 70 years but now they are speaking true. Ha!

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Online pundits have been predicting for some years that the US government would release information on aliens as one of the next moves for globalist control. This government disclosure may be independent of any actual contact with aliens. The announcement is groundwork to justify another more visible global political body with draconian powers. I think these predictions were prompted by various tidbits of information which were released to basically "socialize" the alien idea during the past ten years or so.

    I believe aliens are out there somewhere simply based on the large number of stars in the galaxy. I suspect based on a few archaeological tidbits some of these dudes have probably been to Earth in the past.

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    True fact: if you approach UFO’s with an attitude of dogmatic materialism you are going nowhere.

    Also a true fact: the government denied UFO’s even existed 1947-2017. Now they say they lied for 70 years but now they are speaking true. Ha!
     
    Can't disagree with you here. It makes sense.

    Thanks.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://youtu.be/HnjunQk9Ih4

    I don't have access to Newsnation, and I actually gave up on owning a TV a few years ago. So I have no way to listen to the full Grush interview.

    The news are now all around the web. I just read about it on a Russian Tg Channel.

    And yeah, as I wrote initially to Dima, it might all be a kind of contorted psyop. Why would they do that ? Perhaps they need a distraction from something big coming shortly.

    Or perhaps it's the real deal and the moment has just come for it to become commonly accepted knowledge.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry, @S

  430. @silviosilver
    @Yahya


    So far my favorite Hitchcock film is Vertigo.
     
    North-by-northwest is pretty good, but not at the same level as Vertigo.

    Other Hitchcock films I've enjoyed are Dial M for Murder, Rear Window and Psycho. All very worthwhile imo.

    I've also seen The Man Who Knew Too Much and Frenzy, but I wasn't particularly impressed.

    Since my seconding Greasy's recommendation of A Simple Plan proved to be such a flop, maybe I can redeem myself with a couple of suggestions that I think you're unlikely to have seen: The Go-Between (1971), Don't Look Now (1973) and Open Your Eyes (1997).

    Of all the ways in which the very, very white Australia I grew up in was still a very obvious offshoot of Britain (even though its elites had long abandoned any such loyalty), the main way in which it wasn't - but which I wish it had been - was its lack of a rigid class structure. Why would I have wished for a class structure that would have assuredly frozen me out? Well, if you watch The Go-Between, you'll have some idea. Because even the small glimpses I caught of the remnants of the British upper crust's peerless refinement impressed me so much I've never forgotten it. Although it's fair to say I have not modelled my life at all on their example, I still know quality when I see it - and they had it in abundance. In this movie, it's on full display.

    Don't Look Now could be classified a 'horror,' although it's very short on actual scares. The film's main strength is the mood it manages to create in each scene, where even when nothing much of consequence happens, it still builds up plenty of anticipation that something portentous is about to occur. The only fault I can find with it is the ending, which plenty of people have defended, but which to me was a letdown. A bad ending usually ruins the entire film for me, so that I still love this film is evidence of the high regard I have for it.

    Open Your Eyes ("Abre Los Ojos" in Spanish) is the original of the later American remake Vanilla Sky, with Tom Cruise. I liked Vanilla Sky, but Open Your Eyes is the superior film. In brief, an original, highly enjoyable thriller. If you watch it, do so without reading reviews first; it's more fun if you don't know where it's going.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Yahya, @Yahya

    Because even the small glimpses I caught of the remnants of the British upper crust’s peerless refinement impressed me so much I’ve never forgotten it.

    I had a similar experience a month ago, when I visited London. My half-British friend I mentioned knew quite a few upper class Britons from his boarding school and university days. He himself can be considered upper class (his great-grandparents were top-ranking colonial administrators), although his half-Arab side does make him a bit of an exotic semi-outsider. Anyway, we had dinner with two of his friends, one of which was an unusually refined, gracious and modest English girl with a half-Austrian lineage. I didn’t inquire into her background, but could tell immediately she was of high-breeding from her manners (and accent). Her demeanor was reminiscent of Samuel Johnson’s description of Bennett Langton (the scion of an ancient English squirearchical family): gentle, unassuming, benevolent. As you mentioned, the “peerless refinement” is something to behold; it becomes ingrained in your memory long after first meeting, no matter how brief. I remember thinking, “here is the Gold Standard of mankind – God’s best creation”.

    OTOH, there is some variation within the WASP upper curst; not all of them are uniformly refined, or indeed even impressive. I met three other individuals from my friend’s social circle, and they were quite mediocre. Evidently well-off and expensively-dressed, but lacking in grace and modesty. Two of them were your stereotypical “superficial rich girl” who didn’t utter a single significant or memorable sentence during our long conversation. Nice enough in their own way, but shallow and unintelligent to an extreme. The third individual was an amoral chubby English fellow who was involved in some bitcoin scam operation, and only interested in discussing the latest crazy outburst from his hot-but-crazy gold-digger Ukrainian fiancé (admittedly the stories were quite entertaining.).

    I also met quite a few New England WASPs (and a couple of von Berge’s) in my university days in the Northeast, but they weren’t as impressive as the old-school Britons – just a cut below in refinement, and not as secure in their position. Perhaps a byproduct of the levelling effect of American egalitarianism. They were also relatively few in number, having been elbowed out of top-tier American universities by Asians, Jews and Indians. Again, even if the latter groups deserve these positions by virtue of meritocracy; the loss of a self-confident aristocracy is always a sad event for any culture, America included.

    Why would I have wished for a class structure that would have assuredly frozen me out?

    I agree with your sentiment. And not just for self-serving purposes. There are certain classes of people whom I regard as superiors, chiefly the artistic-bohemian milieu. I unfortunately lack the maniacal worth ethic and creativity needed to become a director, painter, writer or composer; but that doesn’t stop me from supporting those who do, and hoping for their triumph and success. This is especially true for the Arab artistic/intellectual class, who as you know I am the chief promoter of in these forums.

    I think this is the correct approach one should take to superiors. Instead of envying and resenting, we should rather acknowledge their merits and hope they triumph, with the knowledge that their success would uplift the team. Admittedly, the class dimension does present unique challenges to attaining this ideal; in that the higher orders can often times be indifferent and/or contemptuous towards the lower orders, making it difficult to attain the support and well-wishes of the latter. Be it as it may, I still think the elites deserve some measure of support from ordinary people; because the fact is that only they can drive the progress of society and humankind more generally. If it weren’t for elites, we’d still be living in caves.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Yahya


    As you mentioned, the “peerless refinement” is something to behold; it becomes ingrained in your memory long after first meeting, no matter how brief. I remember thinking, “here is the Gold Standard of mankind – God’s best creation”.
     
    I may be biased due to some Irish and working class background but always feel some Germans, Scandinavians and Baltic/Slavs can rival them in terms of 'master race' credentials. Partly due, as you mentioned, to the classes seeming to be better integrated among the Germans and Scandinavians.

    Replies: @Yahya

  431. @Ivashka the fool
    I agree that memories are another land, we kind of travel to them and rediscover them each time we think of long gone moments. And I agree that sometimes we are completely mistaken while we recall a particular situation. The mnemonic accuracy is also quite variable from a situation to another and from a person to another.

    The object was flying approximately south west when I noticed it. It was just a light going towards the horizon ans in the beginning it was just a moderately shining light against the morning sky. It was around 7h00 am. Then it suddenly changed direction and in a few seconds time (probably around 10 seconds) it was nearly over our car. That is when I told my mom and brother to look at it. Other motorists also seemed to notice it as well and started braking. Then it passed our car and as we drove by I couldn't see it on the other side going further. Probably because we moved in a spot where this part of the sky was not easy to see and kept driving further from that place. Pacing over our car took it a couple of seconds.

    Your question about the height of the flight is a good one. I never really thought about it, all I can say is that when it passed over the cars on the road, it was probably just a few hundred meters high, although perhaps it is just my mistaken impression. There were no high objects around to compare and no clouds. But it certainly was flying lower than a typical plane would do. Also it had a very peculiar shape, at least that is the impression that I had at the time.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    UFO sightings are a tough one for me. Up until only a few years ago, my attitude was a hard “that’s bullshit, period.” Nowadays, I’m no longer so sure.

    One reason to be skeptical is that sightings seem to have exploded in lockstep with our capacities to send manmade object flying through the atmosphere and our knowledge of outer space. It’s hard to believe the aliens would have timed it just right so as to arrive just when we started believing in the possibility of their arrival.

    On the other hand, maybe a belief in their possibility was required in order for people to give a “that’s a UFO” interpretation to the sorts of things they’d been sighting all throughout the ages. And if people centuries earlier had seen UFOs, not only would they have lacked the language to describe them, but the communications infrastructure wouldn’t have allowed them to be widely reported anyway.

  432. QCIC says:
    @Greasy William
    @John Johnson


    What is strange is that so many on “alt-right” have rallied around a dictator dwarf and his totalitarian government just because he opposes ruling Western powers.
     
    I can support Putin against the United States without pretending that Putin isn't total trash on every other metric.

    I support Putin against the US/EU, but that is literally the only thing I support him on. I oppose him on Ukraine to the point that I have broken with Trump/Carlson/Gaetz and am strong on the side of the neocons who advocate for the US providing Ukraine with 100% military and financial support (although even now I prefer that Russia retain all its pre invasion territories).

    But I don't hate Putin, and how could I? Yes, he is bad but he is fighting the United States. I wish he was doing it in a less evil way but undermining the US empire is, strictly in and of itself, a good thing.

    Replies: @QCIC

    None of you people have responded to the big picture explanation of the Ukraine crisis which recognizes the entire mess as an extension of the cold war largely driven by the USA.

    At least three steps by the West laid the groundwork for this conflict. This is as simple as I can make it:

    1) USA unilaterally dropping out of crucial nuclear arms control treaties which is obviously a direct threat to Russia. Note that the world is still in the MAD era where lines between conventional and nuclear conflict are very delicate.

    2) Progressive expansion of NATO directly adjacent to Russia. Since NATO is specifically a military alliance intended to fight and defeat Russia this expansion is obviously a direct threat to Russia.

    3) Support for a coup in Ukraine which installed an anti-Russia regime which immediately and intentionally caused a civil war against Russian speakers within 50 miles of the Russian border. This was obviously a direct threat to Russia.

    Russia did not “invade” Ukraine. She picked the time and place to respond to these stupidly provocative and extremely dangerous aggressions by the West.

    Note that this situation has only a limited connection with internal Russian politics or leadership.

    How do any of you respond?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @QCIC


    1) USA unilaterally dropping out of crucial nuclear arms control treaties which is obviously a direct threat to Russia. Note that the world is still in the MAD era where lines between conventional and nuclear conflict are very delicate.

     

    That was a mistake.

    2) Progressive expansion of NATO directly adjacent to Russia. Since NATO is specifically a military alliance intended to fight and defeat Russia this expansion is obviously a direct threat to Russia.
     
    Was the Anglo-Polish alliance a threat to Nazi Germany? Was the Franco-Czechoslovak alliance a threat to Nazi Germany? Was the Soviet-Czechoslovak alliance a threat to Nazi Germany?

    Was the Franco-Russian alliance a threat to Imperial Germany? Were Russia's close ties to Serbia a threat to Austria-Hungary?

    3) Support for a coup in Ukraine which installed an anti-Russia regime which immediately and intentionally caused a civil war against Russian speakers within 50 miles of the Russian border. This was obviously a direct threat to Russia.
     
    It was a revolution, not a coup. It was a mass movement which resulted in the winners of a majority of the popular vote in the 2012 Ukrainian parliamentary election coming to power in Ukraine. And the subsequent "civil war" in Ukraine was Russia's fault and would have quickly fizzled out without Russian weapons, intelligence, volunteers, et cetera.

    Replies: @QCIC

  433. @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    I’ve seen and know something about the Russian/Post-Soviet ruling elite close up, the British ones don’t have the same sort of brutal attitude to their lower classes and seem quite benevolent in comparison, for an elite.
     
    Most post-Soviet elites are scum. And yes they are quite brutal, in fact talking in a superior and rigid or outright aggressive manner to someone of an inferior social status is a social marker of an elite Noviop. And the lower social strata often imitate this attitude to try pretending that they are higher in the pecking order. I witnessed first hand while going back to Moscow and hanging out with childhood/youth friends that didn't live abroad. Some of them, really had an unpleasant attitude towards service personnel in a hotel or a restaurant, or towards the taxi drivers. I felt uneasy when it happened because I always try to be as polite as possible with people who attend to my needs.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @S

    Some of them, really had an unpleasant attitude towards service personnel in a hotel or a restaurant, or towards the taxi drivers. I felt uneasy when it happened because I always try to be as polite as possible with people who attend to my needs.

    My wife told me about this problem, partly from her experience working in hospitality where they were among the clients and she has some relatives who are maybe in the middle or lower-middle part of the Rus Fed elite when most of the family are still fairly average income Belarusians. I was surprised by it being so stark.

    While I was writing about the good sides of the British elite, there are the bad sides, why working class people used to have counter-intuitive combinations of beliefs (like socialism plus monarchism, socialism and traditional religion), or people of Irish descent might have inherited wariness about them.

    The problem of what to do when aristocracy goes bad and becomes enthusiastic about weird beliefs:

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Coconuts

    Most of the elite of Russia except some fathers, doesn't live in Russia. There was the massive emigration of elite especially in years around 2003-2015.

    In my experience, they are liberal, usually gentle people.

    Most of the rich people I've met, are unusually nice, externally. Actually, why rich people seem nicer people, is more kind of artificial youth in a golden cage, when you only meet other nice people from similar golden cages, everyone going to schools in England or Switzerland etc.

    It's living in the golden cage in wealthy areas of the world, based in minimization of exposure to the postsoviet society.

    But postsoviet society is winners vs losers society, winners immediately exiting to allow the people below them in the ladder to fight each other for scraps from the table.


    middle or lower-middle part of the Rus Fed elite

     

    If they were somewhere with the culture like Moscow. Moscow is dystopian rat race society of kitsch and status signalling.

    In the Soviet times, Moscow was also sometimes famous with more unpleasant snobby people, according to stereotype. Saint-Petersburg only more snobby about culture and speech, but the city has more of real attainments in culture.

    In most of Russia, people are better in this area. Although nowadays system of control in the society by Moscow, is to cause everyone feel like they are better than another person.

    Collectively, if Russians can't be better than Russians, they can be better than Ukrainians. If Ukrainians will live better, it will create political problems for Moscow, as talking about living better than Ukrainians was one of the recent themes.

    Or people pretending they are better than Central Asian guest workers, even though Central Asians doing the jobs Russians don't want, as the politicians said.

    This snobby behavior is typical of the second and third world countries, with corrupt elite. In Latin America, there will be Latinos pretending they are better because of slightly less brown skin. In India, they created 3000 castes.

    I think the first world countries are more successful to remove this. For example, countries like Netherlands or Denmark. Removing this culture, correlates with the more developed countries. So, in the postsoviet space, it would reduce eventually.


    sides of the British elite

     

    Because it's authentic brahmins, with centuries of knowing how to protect their lifestyle in the Kingdom.

    But historically, Great British elite always delegate, reform, compromise, in well organized way, responsible managers.

    Reaction of the Kingdom to the French revolution, giving more political power to Girondins, like a careful engineering project to release pressure, or rescue the overheating nuclear reactor. Then later, give the power to Sans-culottes.

    Eventually the society becomes very equal and the "lower class" (there isn't really lower class in those countries) living like an elite.

    In the 20th century, even following a lot of the communist kind of housing solutions.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  434. AP says:
    @Greasy William
    @AP

    I have to say that I genuinely admire the way that the Bushmen can lie around doing nothing and still be happy. One of my greatest struggles as I get older is that I seem to get bored really easily. I feel like I spend all day trying to keep myself entertained.

    ...

    what do you think about the dam? Right now I'm leaning towards Russia did it. It seems a hell of a coincidence that Russia allowed the water level to rise to an all time high right before the thing blew. Also, the animals in the Kherson zoo were all killed and I don't think the Ukrainian govt would do such a thing.

    Replies: @AP, @Matra

    what do you think about the dam? Right now I’m leaning towards Russia did it

    It’s a good opportunity to identify people who are gullible and/or idiots and/or hopelessly brainwashed people. Those who think Ukraine did it are exactly such people. These kinds of idiots would be insisting that Napoleon is the one who burned Moscow down.

    – There is no evidence of rocket or artillery strikes that night. Russia controlled the dam. So Ukrainian commandos mined the dam under the Russians’ noses?

    – Blowing up dams is typically what defenses do to slow down or prevent an attack. Dutch and Soviets did it during the world wars, Ukrainians did it north of Kiev early in the war to stop the Russian advance on the city. Russia is on the defense now.

    – The greatest amount of damage occurs to areas under Ukrainian control now, or areas Ukraine hopes to capture in its counteroffensive. Scorched Earth by retesting Russian forces is a Russian specialty.

    The possible real explanations are:

    1. Accident, mismanagement, human error. The dam was compromised, the Russian authorities weren’t able to manage it, and they did stupid things like allowing the reservoir to reach record high levels which led to structural collapse. Months ago Zelensky had been asking the UN to send inspectors there for oversight, but the Russians refused. Parallel to Chernobyl accident caused by reckless incompetence.

    2. Russians meant to create a limited explosion that would wash away Ukrainian forces who had recently taken some islands and would make crossing more difficult, but instead the entire dam blew (incompetence) causing a much greater disaster than the Russians anticipated. Evidence for this was Russian bragging initially, followed by denial when the scale of the disaster became clear. Analogous to the shooting down of the Malaysian plane – Russians bragged about taking down a military transport jet, then denied it and blamed the Ukrainians.

    3. It was deliberate and planned. By blowing up the dam this weekend, this part of the front will be uncrossable for weeks (even after the water recedes the ground will be muddy and impassable for tanks for a long time). Analogous to the Soviets blowing up a dam on the same river during World War II in order to slow the German advance, killing 10,000s of Ukrainian civilians and thousands of Soviet soldiers who were also swept away.

    I think (1) and (2) are most likely because a lot of entrenched Russian equipment was lost; this stuff would probably have been moved prior to the dam’s destruction had it been planned to go the way it went. (3) is possible if it was a local commander making the decision (spooked?), without taking into consideration Russian forces downstream.

    Girkin states that both Ukrainians and Russians were surprised and unprepared for the dam’s total destruction (see under “more”), suggesting that (1) or (2) are the most likely explanations.

    [MORE]

    Russians changing their stories as the disaster unfolds:

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Translation:

    "I don't know. I hate Russians so they probably did it."

    My version:

    There are not enough clear facts to assign blame (or credit). Let's pray for the victims and also pray that this minor regional conflict doesn't expand into World War 3 with nuclear weapons.

    Replies: @AP

    , @sudden death
    @AP

    Pro(?)-Kremlin source:


    Several of our sources reported that the disaster at Kakhovskaya HPP was the result of a mistake. The administration of the hydroelectric plant and the military commandant wanted to adjust the water level, but could not take into account the critical deterioration of the structure. As a result of a local explosion there was a breakthrough and critical destruction. The source said that the Russian military command has put the perpetrators under court martial and they expect a long prison term. At the same time, Russia does not think that the situation was its fault. The reason is technical, the Kremlin is convinced.
     
    https://t.me/thekremlinru/242

    For comparison its take on Prigo as just another deliberate brick in Putin's inner wall of competing clans:


    A source from the entourage of the head of the PMC "Vagner" said that Yevgeny Prigozhin has no fear for his life, no fear of possible arrest or imprisonment. "Prigozhin has a personal mandate from Putin to criticize in exchange for effective results." According to experts, Prigozhin has five divisions at his disposal-"that's 50,000 well-armed men, plus military bases in Russia and abroad." If Yevgeny Prigozhin feared arrest, he would be on the territory of his military base. But Prigozhin moves freely around the country, accompanied by a small group of people. "Prigozhin is a brave man. He's not afraid of attempts on his life. He lives on adrenaline," says a close associate of the head of a private military company. The recent arrest of a Russian army lieutenant colonel is a signal that Prigozhin is ready to organize the arrest of any general except the top military brass. They are guarded by members of the army's special units, and the Federal Guard Service is suspended from providing their security. "Prigozhin broke a possible alliance of army generals and the FSB. He did not allow Zolotov and the Caucasian clans to become stronger. He took on the ideology of the NWO's critics from among their supporters." Prigozhin is Putin's tactical support, so they say in Prigozhin's own entourage.
     
    https://t.me/thekremlinru/235

    Have no formed opinion about the source reliability, but seems bit more interesting than usual "victorious plan is going smoothly" types, even if the core message seems to be in the same vein as "everything is more or less, but usual business" in RF now, so no need to panic;)

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    It’s a good opportunity to identify people who are gullible and/or idiots and/or hopelessly brainwashed people. Those who think Ukraine did it are exactly such people. These kinds of idiots would be insisting that Napoleon is the one who burned Moscow down.

    – There is no evidence of rocket or artillery strikes that night. Russia controlled the dam. So Ukrainian commandos mined the dam under the Russians’ noses?

    – Blowing up dams is typically what defenses do to slow down or prevent an attack. Dutch and Soviets did it during the world wars, Ukrainians did it north of Kiev early in the war to stop the Russian advance on the city. Russia is on the defense now.

     

    LOL - did anybody read this bimbo's comments about the Patriot system struck in Kiev? And in the connecting story about the fake of them intercepting a Kinzhal? It was not just intentionally false, sociopathic garbage - it was very high bimbo level of cluelessness. Like a newsreader reading the prompter - recycling garbage this freakshow has seen on twitter or wherever, without any thought as to what is actually there.
    If this blog has ANY standards, surely this idiot should have been banned just for that nonsense by itself?

    As a Civil Engineer it is both hilarious but also vomit-inducing to see this compulsive liar and obviously sick creature cross into this "field" about the dam.

    Anyway the points listed by this sociopathic scumbag are too idiotic to bother to discuss now. All I will do is list the following terrorist actions of the ukronazi regime.

    1. Blocked water flowing into Crimea from North Crimean canal immediately in 2014,
    2. Blew-up transmission cables in Kherson delivering electricity to Crimea.
    3. Repeatedly for 8 years conducted targeted strikes at substations and pumping stations in Donbass, causing numerous different periods of no electricity and no drinking water/reduced schedules.
    4. Shelled the water pipe on Kherson territory delivering drinking water to Nikolaev in the first few months of SMO. All civilians in Nikolaev without water.
    5. Regular targeted strikes at various parts of Zaporizhia nuclear plant - basically all parts of it.
    6. Shelled Kursk nuclear power plant - the transmission cables were directly hit
    7. Blew up the Irpin Dam, flooding parts north of the city
    8. FOURTEEN different times the ukronazis have either hit the Novaya Khakovka dam or engaged air defence protecting it in the last 11-12 months
    9. This week blew up the ammonium pipeline delivering from Tolyatti to Odessa ( it had been closed since the start of SMO) effectively trying to sabotage their own grain deal.
    10. Directly shutoff water from North Donets canal supplying drinking water to Donetsk and other towns in Donbass - a complete blockade from February of last year, that only started to be broken in May this year, with water from Don river.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @The Big Red Scary
    @AP

    1)-3) not implausible. Also plausible is that Ukraine did it on purpose, given that they had tested doing it last year:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offensive-kharkiv-kherson-donetsk/

    Replies: @AP

  435. S says:
    @songbird
    Some say that Rome lasted for a thousand years. Is it really possible that it was a genetic black hole for all that time?

    Or did some people in the city benefit genetically? Maybe, by making their fortune and retiring to the country. Or by sending remittances to their relatives.

    Didn't some of the aristocratic families survive into the Middle Ages? But were they just living in the country?

    Replies: @S

    Some say that Rome lasted for a thousand years. Is it really possible that it was a genetic black hole for all that time?…Or did some people in the city benefit genetically? Maybe, by making their fortune and retiring to the country. Or by sending remittances to their relatives.

    The site commentator ‘Twinkie’ wrote about this very subject recently at the excerpted and linked post below. He seems rather knowledgeable on the topic. [I excerpted a relevant portion, but the whole post is worth a read.]

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/uber-suspends-its-asian-dei-boss-for-objecting-to-the-karen-ethnic-slur/#comment-5980781

    During the imperial era, Rome’s population was genetically more Levantine-shifted (because a substantial number of Levantines – including Jews – came to the imperial capital as traders, supplicants, etc. – ancient analogues to today’s rootless cosmopolitans). Once the empire fell however, this population died off or migrated away without any further infusion from the east and Rome was re-populated by the native Italics from the countryside surrounding Rome. We know this, because we can test the skeletons in the Roman tombs and see the genetic changes before my very own eyes.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S

    I recall that study. Certainly interesting, one wonders what might be the chance of the future seeing something like that. Though, I think the regime has largely jumped ahead now and foreigners are increasingly being settled in rural places, and disease control seems easier now.

    IMO, one could view the long course of history as the war between city and country-dwellers. For example, the first towns in Ireland were arguably made by the Vikings. And probably this dynamic was replicated in many other places like Carthage, or among Greek colonists.

    Though, in the case of Rome, I wonder if some microtrend may be obscured.

    It is easy to consider the harems of the Chinese emperor and the Ottomans, snd say that there must have been a lasting outflow of their genes. But perhaps such a thing also existed outside of polygamy, for a select few, even if the aristocrats seemed not be be reproducing at certain times.

    Replies: @S

  436. @Yahya
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    They have the best rendition of the anal probing gray aliens. It is every bit as good as Airplane’s nordic eco-paradise space alien track, just different. Apparently the dracos don’t inspire rock musicians.
     
    I didn’t get a single reference you made in the above sentence.

    My knowledge of rock music is precisely zero.

    I’m very smart and sophisticated so I only listen to classical music.

    https://youtu.be/QNoJlWQGIGA

    https://youtu.be/-3EQQiwqCR0

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    I didn’t get a single reference you made in the above sentence.

    Oops. My bad. It was kind of rude of me to address that to you when my intent was to nudge Ivaskya into providing a Draco track.

    It isn’t too complicated! The literature on alien contacts boils down to 4 or maybe 5 physical types.
    1. grays. Most common. On cover of Strieber’s Communion and in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
    2. nordics. Second or third most common. Beginning with George Adamsky in the early 1950’s. The best Star Trek characters.
    3. mantids. Second or third most common. In Vallee’s latest book, Trinity, the aliens are mantids.
    4. reptilians, also known as dracos. These are the most nefarious, if you don’t mind the grays sticking probes into your rectum too much. There is an end-member howler tale of special forces in a firearms fight with reptilians in an underground base in New Mexico.

    Sorry man.

  437. Sher Singh says:

    This short lecture is basically the Canada brown kids grow up with.
    You either turn into a fag or extremely based when genocide threats are the norm.

    Either enthusiastically comply with Globohomo values or go home/no fly list.

    That’s the conservative position here & liberals are slightly less forward with it.

    The military is that teacher but 10x worse.
    Of course you’d support the Great Replacement in those circumstances.

    “We allow you to be multicultural, so you need to be gay for a month”
    “No you’re not free to choose, that’s for WHITE people”

    Ma’am, I carry a Sword.

    eh – actors/prostitutes are the same class – not into being an artfag.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  438. @Yahya
    @silviosilver


    Because even the small glimpses I caught of the remnants of the British upper crust’s peerless refinement impressed me so much I’ve never forgotten it.
     
    I had a similar experience a month ago, when I visited London. My half-British friend I mentioned knew quite a few upper class Britons from his boarding school and university days. He himself can be considered upper class (his great-grandparents were top-ranking colonial administrators), although his half-Arab side does make him a bit of an exotic semi-outsider. Anyway, we had dinner with two of his friends, one of which was an unusually refined, gracious and modest English girl with a half-Austrian lineage. I didn't inquire into her background, but could tell immediately she was of high-breeding from her manners (and accent). Her demeanor was reminiscent of Samuel Johnson's description of Bennett Langton (the scion of an ancient English squirearchical family): gentle, unassuming, benevolent. As you mentioned, the "peerless refinement" is something to behold; it becomes ingrained in your memory long after first meeting, no matter how brief. I remember thinking, "here is the Gold Standard of mankind - God's best creation".

    OTOH, there is some variation within the WASP upper curst; not all of them are uniformly refined, or indeed even impressive. I met three other individuals from my friend's social circle, and they were quite mediocre. Evidently well-off and expensively-dressed, but lacking in grace and modesty. Two of them were your stereotypical "superficial rich girl" who didn't utter a single significant or memorable sentence during our long conversation. Nice enough in their own way, but shallow and unintelligent to an extreme. The third individual was an amoral chubby English fellow who was involved in some bitcoin scam operation, and only interested in discussing the latest crazy outburst from his hot-but-crazy gold-digger Ukrainian fiancé (admittedly the stories were quite entertaining.).

    I also met quite a few New England WASPs (and a couple of von Berge's) in my university days in the Northeast, but they weren't as impressive as the old-school Britons - just a cut below in refinement, and not as secure in their position. Perhaps a byproduct of the levelling effect of American egalitarianism. They were also relatively few in number, having been elbowed out of top-tier American universities by Asians, Jews and Indians. Again, even if the latter groups deserve these positions by virtue of meritocracy; the loss of a self-confident aristocracy is always a sad event for any culture, America included.


    Why would I have wished for a class structure that would have assuredly frozen me out?
     
    I agree with your sentiment. And not just for self-serving purposes. There are certain classes of people whom I regard as superiors, chiefly the artistic-bohemian milieu. I unfortunately lack the maniacal worth ethic and creativity needed to become a director, painter, writer or composer; but that doesn't stop me from supporting those who do, and hoping for their triumph and success. This is especially true for the Arab artistic/intellectual class, who as you know I am the chief promoter of in these forums.

    I think this is the correct approach one should take to superiors. Instead of envying and resenting, we should rather acknowledge their merits and hope they triumph, with the knowledge that their success would uplift the team. Admittedly, the class dimension does present unique challenges to attaining this ideal; in that the higher orders can often times be indifferent and/or contemptuous towards the lower orders, making it difficult to attain the support and well-wishes of the latter. Be it as it may, I still think the elites deserve some measure of support from ordinary people; because the fact is that only they can drive the progress of society and humankind more generally. If it weren't for elites, we'd still be living in caves.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    As you mentioned, the “peerless refinement” is something to behold; it becomes ingrained in your memory long after first meeting, no matter how brief. I remember thinking, “here is the Gold Standard of mankind – God’s best creation”.

    I may be biased due to some Irish and working class background but always feel some Germans, Scandinavians and Baltic/Slavs can rival them in terms of ‘master race’ credentials. Partly due, as you mentioned, to the classes seeming to be better integrated among the Germans and Scandinavians.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Coconuts


    I may be biased due to some Irish and working class background but always feel some Germans, Scandinavians and Baltic/Slavs can rival them in terms of ‘master race’ credentials.
     
    Yes well it is easy to be biased against one’s own people, because you do not have the luxury of idealizing them from afar. You are in every day contact with the mediocre multitude.

    I’ve long held Levantines in higher regard than Egyptians, but when I gave it some thought I realized that Egypt is by far the most accomplished and historically consequential Arab nation. Egyptian elites are also fairly solid, they can rival the best of Syria and Lebanon.

    https://youtu.be/sXUsT0S2HJ4

    But the average is too much of a joke. It is therefore impossible for me to regard Egyptians as the Herrenvolk of the Arab world. I find it easier to pass that accolade unto the Lebanese, whom I mostly view through the prism of Fouad Chehab, Amin Maalouf, Butrus Al-Bustani, Nassim N. Taleb, Amal Clooney etc.


    Germans, Scandinavians and Baltic/Slavs can rival them in terms of ‘master race’ credentials.
     
    Well Baltoids certainly have the Aryan Ubermenschen phenotypic characteristics, but calling them master race is a bit of a stretch. Their history mostly consists of subjugation and slavery at the hands of various groups of people. Slavs have some solid human capital at the high end, but have been likewise subjugated by foreigners for far too long. If Ivashka’s noviop musings are correct, they still are. So not much of a master people.

    I think a good candidate for Herrenvolk credentials are the Ionian elites of Turkey. They are descended from the Helleno-Hittite ruling caste of ancient tradition; have rarely been conquered or subjugated by other groups of people; and most recently were lording it over a large chunk of the Western Eurasian world.

    https://youtu.be/P4dv_7BurbU

    I am also a fan of Hindustani elites, though would not necessarily award them with master race status. Outside of Kashmiri Pandits and some other NW Indian / Pakistani groups; the phenotype is too much of an aesthetic disgrace, unfortunately.

    Ultimately, the title will have to go the French.

    https://youtu.be/0HvGt0ToW5g

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Beckow

  439. QCIC says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool


    Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin
     
    This is about the world's proven worst source for facts.

    Intelligence officials say

     

    Repeat repeat for emphasis emphasis.

    The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36

     

    False. Whistleblowers are locked up in jail, exiled in Russia, or live nervous in South America where it is inconvenient for murdering feds to get access.

    Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors.
     
    Have you heard Vallee and Puthoff and Davis talk about this stuff? The information is so restricted you could not pull a pin out of their anus with a tractor they choose their words so carefully. No 36 year old pilot has access to diddly squat.

    Karl E. Nell, a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the Army’s liaison for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with Grusch there, characterizes Grusch as “beyond reproach.”

     

    Karl Nell looks like a weener-licker to me. I am prejudiced.

    Christopher Mellon, who spent nearly twenty years in the U.S. Intelligence Community and served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena.

     

    Christopher Mellon is the lead public voice of the current project which began in 2017. Day 0 of that project was an article in the New York Times by Leslie Kean and Max Blumenthal. Earlier lead public voices were Tom Delonge (since ejected) and Lou Elizondo (since ejected). I am misspelling Lou's first name. He uses some custom spelling which I spit on. Christopher Mellon may soon be ejected and replaced by Gary Nolan. You will notice if you listen to any of these people that they make no sense.

    To quote E. Michael Jones, "if it doesn't make sense it isn't true". I don't think he claims that as original; there are paraphrases going back to Confucius and Zoroaster. This article is gibberish. Leslie Kean has done splendid work in the past. She is now a CIA public relations worker.

    True fact: if you approach UFO's with an attitude of dogmatic materialism you are going nowhere.

    Also a true fact: the government denied UFO's even existed 1947-2017. Now they say they lied for 70 years but now they are speaking true. Ha!

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool, @Ivashka the fool

    Online pundits have been predicting for some years that the US government would release information on aliens as one of the next moves for globalist control. This government disclosure may be independent of any actual contact with aliens. The announcement is groundwork to justify another more visible global political body with draconian powers. I think these predictions were prompted by various tidbits of information which were released to basically “socialize” the alien idea during the past ten years or so.

    I believe aliens are out there somewhere simply based on the large number of stars in the galaxy. I suspect based on a few archaeological tidbits some of these dudes have probably been to Earth in the past.

  440. @Yahya
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    They have the best rendition of the anal probing gray aliens. It is every bit as good as Airplane’s nordic eco-paradise space alien track, just different. Apparently the dracos don’t inspire rock musicians.
     
    I didn’t get a single reference you made in the above sentence.

    My knowledge of rock music is precisely zero.

    I’m very smart and sophisticated so I only listen to classical music.

    https://youtu.be/QNoJlWQGIGA

    https://youtu.be/-3EQQiwqCR0

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    I’m very smart and sophisticated so I only listen to classical music.

    This is probably true, but you’re certainly not very humble. 🙂 No offense Yahya, but you do come off as being a good deal snobbish (you could even give AP a run for the money in this department, 🙂 )

    Think of rock music as a form of folk music of the Western world that developed in the mid 20-th century. You aren’t as condescending towards other forms of folk music are you? A lot of really good modern 20th century music, even symphonic, has incorporated rock motifs to excellent aplomb.. You might expand your horizons a bit by listening to this, and then honestly tell me whether there’s anything interesting going on here:

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Mr. Hack


    This is probably true, but you’re certainly not very humble. 🙂 No offense Yahya, but you do come off as being a good deal snobbish
     
    Oh come on Mr. Hack, is it not obvious I was lampooning the classical music snobs? I’m honestly offended that you thought I was being serious.

    Admittedly, when God handed out humility, I did not receive my fair share. I was also bestowed with a large degree of narcissism. But because I am extremely smart and perceptive, I am aware of these tendencies and do not let myself get carried away by them.


    (you could even give AP a run for the money in this department, 🙂 )
     
    In my day-to-day interactions, I always treat people with respect no matter the background.

    But I will not apologize for my socio-political elitism. It is the rational stance in my opinion.


    You might expand your horizons a bit by listening to this, and then honestly tell me whether there’s anything interesting going on here:
     
    I liked “Lady Of The Lake”, “Arthur’s Queen”, and “King Of Merlins”.

    The rest was garbage.


    Think of rock music as a form of folk music of the Western world that developed in the mid 20-th century.
     
    Rock music is the ultimate expression of Western post-modern degeneracy.

    https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg

    Admittedly some of the tunes are catchy.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. Hack

  441. QCIC says:
    @A123
    @S

    If aliens are buzzing the planet, eventually they will be exposed. (1)

     
    https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/alien_observers_2x.png
     

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://xkcd.com/2572/

    Replies: @silviosilver, @QCIC

    Smart phones and cloud storage can be used to limit the number of actual pictures of aliens or classified human UFOs, assuming there are any valid sightings in the first place. I don’t know if this has happened yet but I assume the hardware and software back doors are in place to make this straightforward.

  442. @Mr. Hack
    @Yahya


    I’m very smart and sophisticated so I only listen to classical music.
     
    This is probably true, but you're certainly not very humble. :-) No offense Yahya, but you do come off as being a good deal snobbish (you could even give AP a run for the money in this department, :-) )

    Think of rock music as a form of folk music of the Western world that developed in the mid 20-th century. You aren't as condescending towards other forms of folk music are you? A lot of really good modern 20th century music, even symphonic, has incorporated rock motifs to excellent aplomb.. You might expand your horizons a bit by listening to this, and then honestly tell me whether there's anything interesting going on here:

    https://open.spotify.com/album/0aYwhZkoY19dGovWjAjrtD?si=BGdbhLodRDy_AWPOS1pF6A

    Replies: @Yahya

    This is probably true, but you’re certainly not very humble. 🙂 No offense Yahya, but you do come off as being a good deal snobbish

    Oh come on Mr. Hack, is it not obvious I was lampooning the classical music snobs? I’m honestly offended that you thought I was being serious.

    Admittedly, when God handed out humility, I did not receive my fair share. I was also bestowed with a large degree of narcissism. But because I am extremely smart and perceptive, I am aware of these tendencies and do not let myself get carried away by them.

    (you could even give AP a run for the money in this department, 🙂 )

    In my day-to-day interactions, I always treat people with respect no matter the background.

    But I will not apologize for my socio-political elitism. It is the rational stance in my opinion.

    You might expand your horizons a bit by listening to this, and then honestly tell me whether there’s anything interesting going on here:

    I liked “Lady Of The Lake”, “Arthur’s Queen”, and “King Of Merlins”.

    The rest was garbage.

    Think of rock music as a form of folk music of the Western world that developed in the mid 20-th century.

    Rock music is the ultimate expression of Western post-modern degeneracy.

    Admittedly some of the tunes are catchy.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Yahya


    Rock music is the ultimate expression of Western post-modern degeneracy
     
    The beginning is on symbolic level is quite steretypical too - US'ian young african jailed criminal, committing armed gun robberies and carjacks, then uses white technical inventions (electric guitar&TV) and makes it mass popular thing among whites too;)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Hx8CfvWyw

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Yahya


    Oh come on Mr. Hack, is it not obvious I was lampooning the classical music snobs? I’m honestly offended that you thought I was being serious.
     
    Actually I did think that you were presenting the "classical snob" point of view. I do recall that in the not-too-distant past, we were discussing music from the Middle East, and I had presented some musicians that play music from their respective countries in a more upbeat and modern fashion. As I recall, you basically recoiled in disgust, indicating that your aesthetics seldom stray from the original well proven source of their inspiration. How was I to know that you do sometimes appreciate the more "catchy" modern tunes? :-)

    But I will not apologize for my socio-political elitism. It is the rational stance in my opinion.
     
    You shouldn't have to, and neither have I ever taken you to task for these views.

    Rock music is the ultimate expression of Western post-modern degeneracy.
     
    A rather curt, dismissive and unsatisfactory response to make. "Rock music" holds a very wide assemblage of styles, rhythms and sources that it relies upon within its umbrella. Perhaps, you've never been exposed to very much of it. You found three "catchy" tunes within my suggested album that you enjoyed. I'm sure that there are more out there too!

    Replies: @Dmitry

  443. @AP
    @Greasy William


    what do you think about the dam? Right now I’m leaning towards Russia did it
     
    It’s a good opportunity to identify people who are gullible and/or idiots and/or hopelessly brainwashed people. Those who think Ukraine did it are exactly such people. These kinds of idiots would be insisting that Napoleon is the one who burned Moscow down.

    - There is no evidence of rocket or artillery strikes that night. Russia controlled the dam. So Ukrainian commandos mined the dam under the Russians’ noses?

    - Blowing up dams is typically what defenses do to slow down or prevent an attack. Dutch and Soviets did it during the world wars, Ukrainians did it north of Kiev early in the war to stop the Russian advance on the city. Russia is on the defense now.

    - The greatest amount of damage occurs to areas under Ukrainian control now, or areas Ukraine hopes to capture in its counteroffensive. Scorched Earth by retesting Russian forces is a Russian specialty.

    The possible real explanations are:

    1. Accident, mismanagement, human error. The dam was compromised, the Russian authorities weren’t able to manage it, and they did stupid things like allowing the reservoir to reach record high levels which led to structural collapse. Months ago Zelensky had been asking the UN to send inspectors there for oversight, but the Russians refused. Parallel to Chernobyl accident caused by reckless incompetence.

    2. Russians meant to create a limited explosion that would wash away Ukrainian forces who had recently taken some islands and would make crossing more difficult, but instead the entire dam blew (incompetence) causing a much greater disaster than the Russians anticipated. Evidence for this was Russian bragging initially, followed by denial when the scale of the disaster became clear. Analogous to the shooting down of the Malaysian plane - Russians bragged about taking down a military transport jet, then denied it and blamed the Ukrainians.

    3. It was deliberate and planned. By blowing up the dam this weekend, this part of the front will be uncrossable for weeks (even after the water recedes the ground will be muddy and impassable for tanks for a long time). Analogous to the Soviets blowing up a dam on the same river during World War II in order to slow the German advance, killing 10,000s of Ukrainian civilians and thousands of Soviet soldiers who were also swept away.

    I think (1) and (2) are most likely because a lot of entrenched Russian equipment was lost; this stuff would probably have been moved prior to the dam’s destruction had it been planned to go the way it went. (3) is possible if it was a local commander making the decision (spooked?), without taking into consideration Russian forces downstream.

    Girkin states that both Ukrainians and Russians were surprised and unprepared for the dam’s total destruction (see under “more”), suggesting that (1) or (2) are the most likely explanations.



    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1666347538780237825?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Russians changing their stories as the disaster unfolds:

    https://twitter.com/volodyatretyak/status/1666015265971118082?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @QCIC, @sudden death, @Gerard1234, @The Big Red Scary

    Translation:

    “I don’t know. I hate Russians so they probably did it.”

    My version:

    There are not enough clear facts to assign blame (or credit). Let’s pray for the victims and also pray that this minor regional conflict doesn’t expand into World War 3 with nuclear weapons.

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC


    Translation:

    “I don’t know. I hate Russians so they probably did it.”
     
    For someone incapable of understanding what he has read, that is an interpretation.

    Replies: @QCIC

  444. @S
    @songbird


    Some say that Rome lasted for a thousand years. Is it really possible that it was a genetic black hole for all that time?...Or did some people in the city benefit genetically? Maybe, by making their fortune and retiring to the country. Or by sending remittances to their relatives.
     
    The site commentator 'Twinkie' wrote about this very subject recently at the excerpted and linked post below. He seems rather knowledgeable on the topic. [I excerpted a relevant portion, but the whole post is worth a read.]

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/uber-suspends-its-asian-dei-boss-for-objecting-to-the-karen-ethnic-slur/#comment-5980781

    During the imperial era, Rome’s population was genetically more Levantine-shifted (because a substantial number of Levantines – including Jews – came to the imperial capital as traders, supplicants, etc. – ancient analogues to today’s rootless cosmopolitans). Once the empire fell however, this population died off or migrated away without any further infusion from the east and Rome was re-populated by the native Italics from the countryside surrounding Rome. We know this, because we can test the skeletons in the Roman tombs and see the genetic changes before my very own eyes.
     

    Replies: @songbird

    I recall that study. Certainly interesting, one wonders what might be the chance of the future seeing something like that. Though, I think the regime has largely jumped ahead now and foreigners are increasingly being settled in rural places, and disease control seems easier now.

    IMO, one could view the long course of history as the war between city and country-dwellers. For example, the first towns in Ireland were arguably made by the Vikings. And probably this dynamic was replicated in many other places like Carthage, or among Greek colonists.

    Though, in the case of Rome, I wonder if some microtrend may be obscured.

    It is easy to consider the harems of the Chinese emperor and the Ottomans, snd say that there must have been a lasting outflow of their genes. But perhaps such a thing also existed outside of polygamy, for a select few, even if the aristocrats seemed not be be reproducing at certain times.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    Certainly interesting, one wonders what might be the chance of the future seeing something like that. Though, I think the regime has largely jumped ahead now and foreigners are increasingly being settled in rural places, and disease control seems easier now.
     
    Everyone must experience dieversity, no exceptions...well, not for the most part. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

  445. @Greasy William
    @silviosilver


    I’m more disappointed by the audience though. Is it possible they’re plants?
     
    I'm wondering the same thing, but more for his crowd work clips. He did have one crowd work line that was pretty funny, this girl shouts, "you can be my daddy" and he responds, "why, so I can abandon you too?". And I'm thinking, either that was some really quick thinking or she's a plant.

    It’s also interesting to see how far good looks can take a guy.
     
    See, I don't think he's that good looking. He's too fem for my taste. These Zoomer girls really like more feminine looking guys for some reason. I like guys who look like Gregory Peck.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    He did have one crowd work line that was pretty funny, this girl shouts, “you can be my daddy” and he responds, “why, so I can abandon you too?”. And I’m thinking, either that was some really quick thinking or she’s a plant.

    I didn’t see that bit. That’s pretty good if he thought of it on the fly. Even then though, it’s not some super funny joke. If he is as popular as you say and this about his best, that’s pretty sad.

  446. @AP
    @Greasy William


    what do you think about the dam? Right now I’m leaning towards Russia did it
     
    It’s a good opportunity to identify people who are gullible and/or idiots and/or hopelessly brainwashed people. Those who think Ukraine did it are exactly such people. These kinds of idiots would be insisting that Napoleon is the one who burned Moscow down.

    - There is no evidence of rocket or artillery strikes that night. Russia controlled the dam. So Ukrainian commandos mined the dam under the Russians’ noses?

    - Blowing up dams is typically what defenses do to slow down or prevent an attack. Dutch and Soviets did it during the world wars, Ukrainians did it north of Kiev early in the war to stop the Russian advance on the city. Russia is on the defense now.

    - The greatest amount of damage occurs to areas under Ukrainian control now, or areas Ukraine hopes to capture in its counteroffensive. Scorched Earth by retesting Russian forces is a Russian specialty.

    The possible real explanations are:

    1. Accident, mismanagement, human error. The dam was compromised, the Russian authorities weren’t able to manage it, and they did stupid things like allowing the reservoir to reach record high levels which led to structural collapse. Months ago Zelensky had been asking the UN to send inspectors there for oversight, but the Russians refused. Parallel to Chernobyl accident caused by reckless incompetence.

    2. Russians meant to create a limited explosion that would wash away Ukrainian forces who had recently taken some islands and would make crossing more difficult, but instead the entire dam blew (incompetence) causing a much greater disaster than the Russians anticipated. Evidence for this was Russian bragging initially, followed by denial when the scale of the disaster became clear. Analogous to the shooting down of the Malaysian plane - Russians bragged about taking down a military transport jet, then denied it and blamed the Ukrainians.

    3. It was deliberate and planned. By blowing up the dam this weekend, this part of the front will be uncrossable for weeks (even after the water recedes the ground will be muddy and impassable for tanks for a long time). Analogous to the Soviets blowing up a dam on the same river during World War II in order to slow the German advance, killing 10,000s of Ukrainian civilians and thousands of Soviet soldiers who were also swept away.

    I think (1) and (2) are most likely because a lot of entrenched Russian equipment was lost; this stuff would probably have been moved prior to the dam’s destruction had it been planned to go the way it went. (3) is possible if it was a local commander making the decision (spooked?), without taking into consideration Russian forces downstream.

    Girkin states that both Ukrainians and Russians were surprised and unprepared for the dam’s total destruction (see under “more”), suggesting that (1) or (2) are the most likely explanations.



    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1666347538780237825?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Russians changing their stories as the disaster unfolds:

    https://twitter.com/volodyatretyak/status/1666015265971118082?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @QCIC, @sudden death, @Gerard1234, @The Big Red Scary

    Pro(?)-Kremlin source:

    Several of our sources reported that the disaster at Kakhovskaya HPP was the result of a mistake. The administration of the hydroelectric plant and the military commandant wanted to adjust the water level, but could not take into account the critical deterioration of the structure. As a result of a local explosion there was a breakthrough and critical destruction. The source said that the Russian military command has put the perpetrators under court martial and they expect a long prison term. At the same time, Russia does not think that the situation was its fault. The reason is technical, the Kremlin is convinced.

    https://t.me/thekremlinru/242

    For comparison its take on Prigo as just another deliberate brick in Putin’s inner wall of competing clans:

    A source from the entourage of the head of the PMC “Vagner” said that Yevgeny Prigozhin has no fear for his life, no fear of possible arrest or imprisonment. “Prigozhin has a personal mandate from Putin to criticize in exchange for effective results.” According to experts, Prigozhin has five divisions at his disposal-“that’s 50,000 well-armed men, plus military bases in Russia and abroad.” If Yevgeny Prigozhin feared arrest, he would be on the territory of his military base. But Prigozhin moves freely around the country, accompanied by a small group of people. “Prigozhin is a brave man. He’s not afraid of attempts on his life. He lives on adrenaline,” says a close associate of the head of a private military company. The recent arrest of a Russian army lieutenant colonel is a signal that Prigozhin is ready to organize the arrest of any general except the top military brass. They are guarded by members of the army’s special units, and the Federal Guard Service is suspended from providing their security. “Prigozhin broke a possible alliance of army generals and the FSB. He did not allow Zolotov and the Caucasian clans to become stronger. He took on the ideology of the NWO’s critics from among their supporters.” Prigozhin is Putin’s tactical support, so they say in Prigozhin’s own entourage.

    https://t.me/thekremlinru/235

    Have no formed opinion about the source reliability, but seems bit more interesting than usual “victorious plan is going smoothly” types, even if the core message seems to be in the same vein as “everything is more or less, but usual business” in RF now, so no need to panic;)

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @sudden death

    The messages are slightly informative with solid ambiguity.

    Is obvious PR and could be accurate or not.

  447. @Yahya
    @Mr. Hack


    This is probably true, but you’re certainly not very humble. 🙂 No offense Yahya, but you do come off as being a good deal snobbish
     
    Oh come on Mr. Hack, is it not obvious I was lampooning the classical music snobs? I’m honestly offended that you thought I was being serious.

    Admittedly, when God handed out humility, I did not receive my fair share. I was also bestowed with a large degree of narcissism. But because I am extremely smart and perceptive, I am aware of these tendencies and do not let myself get carried away by them.


    (you could even give AP a run for the money in this department, 🙂 )
     
    In my day-to-day interactions, I always treat people with respect no matter the background.

    But I will not apologize for my socio-political elitism. It is the rational stance in my opinion.


    You might expand your horizons a bit by listening to this, and then honestly tell me whether there’s anything interesting going on here:
     
    I liked “Lady Of The Lake”, “Arthur’s Queen”, and “King Of Merlins”.

    The rest was garbage.


    Think of rock music as a form of folk music of the Western world that developed in the mid 20-th century.
     
    Rock music is the ultimate expression of Western post-modern degeneracy.

    https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg

    Admittedly some of the tunes are catchy.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. Hack

    Rock music is the ultimate expression of Western post-modern degeneracy

    The beginning is on symbolic level is quite steretypical too – US’ian young african jailed criminal, committing armed gun robberies and carjacks, then uses white technical inventions (electric guitar&TV) and makes it mass popular thing among whites too;)

  448. @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    Now imagine that an evil Philospher King read Plato’s Republic text that you just quoted above, and decided to do exactly the opposite to downgrade a human population to the lowest level possible.
     
    I'll take a stab at that.

    While in the Anglosphere, it certainly wasn't all, or, even a majority of the Anglo-Saxon elites and their hangers on, it was a powerful minority of them which were involved in slavery and it's trade which tended to ultimately accrue the bulk of the power for themselves, and dominate things.

    When slavery and it's trade was monetized (as opposed to having been actually abolished) with the early 19th century introduction of wage slavery, ie specifically the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system, a veritable revolution in the slavery industry had taken place.

    Without the benefit in reality of either a much needed change of heart, nor a change in their ways, the wealth and power of the historic slavers, ie the former slave owners/now wage slave ('cheap labor'/'immigrant') exploiters, the former slave dealers/now 'labor contractors', and the same financiers as before (who build and insure even more ships and modes of transport of all kinds now for the wage slaves, ie so called 'cheap labor'/'immigrants'), grew exponentially.

    All former negatives that slave owner, slave dealer, and slave trade financiers, had formerly had to deal with with within the chattel slave system, ie old age care for the slaves, hospitalization, clothing them, etc, had now been safely outsourced (ie dumped upon) the rubes, also known as the non-exploiting general public, the vast majority of people, while still keeping the value of the systematically stolen labor for their slaving selves, via grossly underpaying people who had often been first reduced by their very exploiters to an unnaturally low state of being.

    Not only that, the former chattel slavers with the new wage slave (cheap labor) system got to play act that they were now the 'good guys', at their own people's (not to mention others) great expense, when in reality they were (and are) every bit as rotten as before, if not more so.

    The renowned US based economist Henry Carey, in his 1853 book The Slave Trade linked below, concluded in his real time analysis of comparing chattel and wage slavery, that the then new wage slavery (ie so called 'cheap labor') system of the Anglosphere was simply slavery by another name, and that this system tended towards making slaves of everyone.

    https://archive.org/details/slavetrade00caregoog/page/n6/mode/1up



    So, within the Anglosphere, historically powerful elements of the Anglo-Saxon elites and hangers on are in effect unreformed slavers with their wage slavery (ie so called 'cheap labor') system, and it doesn't reflect particularly well on the broader Anglo-Saxon public that these slavery corrupted elites and hangers on, whom cared nothing about their own, were not overthrown.

    Within the same Anglosphere, powerful elements of the Jewish elites and hangers on have also been involved historically in chattel, and then later wage slavery (cheap labor) exploitation, neither good for their own (or others) either.

    In what political system would it be done the easiest way according to your understanding?
     
    Historically slavery corrupted elites and hangers on could misuse a 'democratic republic' for such a purpose. The Anglosphere ideology of 'progressive Multi-Culturalism', which has wage slavery (ie the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system) as it's economic and political basis, would fit perfectly.

    The results of such a system, as the London Times gently put it in the mid-19th century primordial days of the Multi-Cult, would be an overall population which is 'more mixed', 'more docile', and, 'which can submit to a master', presumably this being the slaver's idea of the ideal characteristics of the new man and woman which, unless something intervenes, are to populate the Earth.

    Also, if a good Philospher King decided to follow Plato’s advice in its detail, what do you think the resulting political system would be called by today’s postmodern masses?
     
    Any attempt to improve upon, or, even simply maintain, the good health, intelligence, and positive characteristics of a people in a racial or ethnic sense, irrespective of the actual political system, a republic, constitutional monarchy, or otherwise, would be quickly labeled 'Fascist!TM', and, or, 'Nazi!'TM, not to mention the standard all purpose, 'Racist!'TM. :-)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Keypusher

    The Carey book is outstanding.

    Have you ever seen that Ashalogos fellow’s bit on the Oera Linda book where he says they refused to have anything to do with slave master tribes? He has an appealing fanatacism.

    • Replies: @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yes, Carey was brilliant in many ways. Too bad he's note more widely known.


    Have you ever seen that Ashalogos fellow’s bit on the Oera Linda book where he says they refused to have anything to do with slave master tribes? He has an appealing fanatacism.
     
    I think I've heard about it. Sounds like a good maxim.
  449. @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool

    How high up in the sky (very roughly) was this object? At an altitude planes might fly at, lower, higher?

    Memories are funny things. I have always believed I have a very good one, and I have found this belief confirmed in a few ways, and yet there are some memories that, intellectually, I know are impossible the way I recall them, yet every time I think of them I remember them the same incorrect way. Eg conversations in a car in Europe where I was the driver, but the driver's seat is on the right (as it is in Australia); or placing someone that had died in the memory of a trip with a group friends that took place when that person was dead.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    My favorite datum is Marcus Allen’s 65 yard Super Bowl gallop. I thought I had a flashbulb memory of this for thirty years. Then one day I saw it again on youtube.

    In my ludicrous memory he wore a white jersey. In real time back then it was black. That is sort of a maximum possible error.

  450. @Coconuts
    @Yahya


    As you mentioned, the “peerless refinement” is something to behold; it becomes ingrained in your memory long after first meeting, no matter how brief. I remember thinking, “here is the Gold Standard of mankind – God’s best creation”.
     
    I may be biased due to some Irish and working class background but always feel some Germans, Scandinavians and Baltic/Slavs can rival them in terms of 'master race' credentials. Partly due, as you mentioned, to the classes seeming to be better integrated among the Germans and Scandinavians.

    Replies: @Yahya

    I may be biased due to some Irish and working class background but always feel some Germans, Scandinavians and Baltic/Slavs can rival them in terms of ‘master race’ credentials.

    Yes well it is easy to be biased against one’s own people, because you do not have the luxury of idealizing them from afar. You are in every day contact with the mediocre multitude.

    I’ve long held Levantines in higher regard than Egyptians, but when I gave it some thought I realized that Egypt is by far the most accomplished and historically consequential Arab nation. Egyptian elites are also fairly solid, they can rival the best of Syria and Lebanon.

    But the average is too much of a joke. It is therefore impossible for me to regard Egyptians as the Herrenvolk of the Arab world. I find it easier to pass that accolade unto the Lebanese, whom I mostly view through the prism of Fouad Chehab, Amin Maalouf, Butrus Al-Bustani, Nassim N. Taleb, Amal Clooney etc.

    Germans, Scandinavians and Baltic/Slavs can rival them in terms of ‘master race’ credentials.

    Well Baltoids certainly have the Aryan Ubermenschen phenotypic characteristics, but calling them master race is a bit of a stretch. Their history mostly consists of subjugation and slavery at the hands of various groups of people. Slavs have some solid human capital at the high end, but have been likewise subjugated by foreigners for far too long. If Ivashka’s noviop musings are correct, they still are. So not much of a master people.

    I think a good candidate for Herrenvolk credentials are the Ionian elites of Turkey. They are descended from the Helleno-Hittite ruling caste of ancient tradition; have rarely been conquered or subjugated by other groups of people; and most recently were lording it over a large chunk of the Western Eurasian world.

    I am also a fan of Hindustani elites, though would not necessarily award them with master race status. Outside of Kashmiri Pandits and some other NW Indian / Pakistani groups; the phenotype is too much of an aesthetic disgrace, unfortunately.

    Ultimately, the title will have to go the French.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Yahya

    British upper classes don't carry weapons - therefore, 0 respect.

    Turns out about 2/3 kids stayed home out of protest of LGBT on June 1.

    Based.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Wokechoke

    , @Beckow
    @Yahya


    ...Ultimately, the title will have to go the French.
     
    Absolutely not the French: short weaklings, overbred, suffering from a particularly French mental condition of low-end narcissism. There are some exceptions, but not the best biological material.

    The Germanic people have (unfortunately) peaked. They had tremendous potential but the last few generations have been dismal. They lost the sense of who they are and allowed prosperity, laziness and flattery to take them apart. It will be hard to come back.

    The best hope are the random pop-ups that will come out of less mature societies, and there Slavs, Balts, Turks, Latins, Irish (and others) are essential. They have managed to preserve the genetic potential and it will come back...(maybe even Egypt, but it seems from afar an old stock penetrated by the Nubians and other Africans)...

    Replies: @Yahya

  451. @QCIC
    @AP

    Translation:

    "I don't know. I hate Russians so they probably did it."

    My version:

    There are not enough clear facts to assign blame (or credit). Let's pray for the victims and also pray that this minor regional conflict doesn't expand into World War 3 with nuclear weapons.

    Replies: @AP

    Translation:

    “I don’t know. I hate Russians so they probably did it.”

    For someone incapable of understanding what he has read, that is an interpretation.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    The second sentence is more of an extrapolation from your extensive earlier comments. I realize you don't hate Russians per se, that was rhetorical, but it is not entirely inconsistent with the sum of your comments related to the SMO.

    I hope you are urging your Ukrainian relatives and friends still in the country to leave immediately.

  452. @Yahya
    @Coconuts


    I may be biased due to some Irish and working class background but always feel some Germans, Scandinavians and Baltic/Slavs can rival them in terms of ‘master race’ credentials.
     
    Yes well it is easy to be biased against one’s own people, because you do not have the luxury of idealizing them from afar. You are in every day contact with the mediocre multitude.

    I’ve long held Levantines in higher regard than Egyptians, but when I gave it some thought I realized that Egypt is by far the most accomplished and historically consequential Arab nation. Egyptian elites are also fairly solid, they can rival the best of Syria and Lebanon.

    https://youtu.be/sXUsT0S2HJ4

    But the average is too much of a joke. It is therefore impossible for me to regard Egyptians as the Herrenvolk of the Arab world. I find it easier to pass that accolade unto the Lebanese, whom I mostly view through the prism of Fouad Chehab, Amin Maalouf, Butrus Al-Bustani, Nassim N. Taleb, Amal Clooney etc.


    Germans, Scandinavians and Baltic/Slavs can rival them in terms of ‘master race’ credentials.
     
    Well Baltoids certainly have the Aryan Ubermenschen phenotypic characteristics, but calling them master race is a bit of a stretch. Their history mostly consists of subjugation and slavery at the hands of various groups of people. Slavs have some solid human capital at the high end, but have been likewise subjugated by foreigners for far too long. If Ivashka’s noviop musings are correct, they still are. So not much of a master people.

    I think a good candidate for Herrenvolk credentials are the Ionian elites of Turkey. They are descended from the Helleno-Hittite ruling caste of ancient tradition; have rarely been conquered or subjugated by other groups of people; and most recently were lording it over a large chunk of the Western Eurasian world.

    https://youtu.be/P4dv_7BurbU

    I am also a fan of Hindustani elites, though would not necessarily award them with master race status. Outside of Kashmiri Pandits and some other NW Indian / Pakistani groups; the phenotype is too much of an aesthetic disgrace, unfortunately.

    Ultimately, the title will have to go the French.

    https://youtu.be/0HvGt0ToW5g

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Beckow

    British upper classes don’t carry weapons – therefore, 0 respect.

    Turns out about 2/3 kids stayed home out of protest of LGBT on June 1.

    Based.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Sher Singh


    British upper classes don’t carry weapons
     
    They do actually.

    https://youtu.be/IuoNf31Vybg

    But you make a good point - British upper class males are cucked nowadays.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @Wokechoke
    @Sher Singh

    You’ve obviously never been in the countryside.

    The permanent crack of shotguns is a characteristic soundtrack.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  453. @Sher Singh
    @Yahya

    British upper classes don't carry weapons - therefore, 0 respect.

    Turns out about 2/3 kids stayed home out of protest of LGBT on June 1.

    Based.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Wokechoke

    British upper classes don’t carry weapons

    They do actually.

    But you make a good point – British upper class males are cucked nowadays.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Yahya

    Yea & I don't say it out of a sense or superiority or malignment.
    I WANT everyone to carry weapons.

    Carrying weapons reduces instances of homosexuality & cuck behavior.
    Raises T - looks good too.

  454. @Greasy William
    @AP

    I have to say that I genuinely admire the way that the Bushmen can lie around doing nothing and still be happy. One of my greatest struggles as I get older is that I seem to get bored really easily. I feel like I spend all day trying to keep myself entertained.

    ...

    what do you think about the dam? Right now I'm leaning towards Russia did it. It seems a hell of a coincidence that Russia allowed the water level to rise to an all time high right before the thing blew. Also, the animals in the Kherson zoo were all killed and I don't think the Ukrainian govt would do such a thing.

    Replies: @AP, @Matra

    There were lots of reports like this one last year by pro-Ukrainian sources claiming most, even all, the zoo animals were stolen by the Russians and sent elsewhere – the linked report says Crimea. At the time I saw pro-Russian sources claiming this was Ukrainian propaganda and that the animals were still there. I wouldn’t be surprised if the partisans of both sides now flip and claim the opposite of what they were saying last year.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Matra

    Russians were supposedly stealing from places that they were in the process of evacuating.

    , @Greasy William
    @Matra

    I hope those poor animals are okay

  455. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    The Carey book is outstanding.

    Have you ever seen that Ashalogos fellow's bit on the Oera Linda book where he says they refused to have anything to do with slave master tribes? He has an appealing fanatacism.

    Replies: @S

    Yes, Carey was brilliant in many ways. Too bad he’s note more widely known.

    Have you ever seen that Ashalogos fellow’s bit on the Oera Linda book where he says they refused to have anything to do with slave master tribes? He has an appealing fanatacism.

    I think I’ve heard about it. Sounds like a good maxim.

  456. @Sher Singh
    @Mikel

    It was a joke about wearing Dastar instead of topi.

    Gonna go with Lowa Zephyr next boot allotment.

    Still lot of work till then.

    To say the least. 😂

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mikel

    It was a joke about wearing Dastar instead of topi.

    So have Sikh headwear companies started publishing pride ads or are we not there yet?

    Honest question. The North Face used to be a serious technical wear company. It goes in the name. You would buy their stuff for Himalaya expeditions and such. Now they’re just another woke brand. The other day they released an ad with a drag queen fooling around in the mountains. It’s insane. There’s no relationship between drag queens and mountains whatsoever. You don’t wear wigs, gowns, tons of makeup and high heels in the outdoors. So turban lgbt ads would not surprise me much anymore.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mikel


    There aren't really headwear companies - you just buy cloth yourself & tie it.
    Mostly small shops or religious stores that also sell weapons, cds, books etc.
    Or you go to a woman's suit store & they have the cloth too.

    Full Voile, F74, Rubia etc.
    Honestly, wonder how Kevlar or Silk would perform ballistically.

    Some larger store in London, UK or a bigger Indian city might in 5-10 years?
    The old gen won't - not english speaking enough.
    Don't expect Punjabi Hindus to either.

    Thing is, non 0 chance that shop gets burnt down.
    Stores that sell tobacco or other anti-Sikh products get regularly burnt down or looted.

     

    ---

    For outdoor gear I just use Arcteryx LEAF or Snugpak tbh.

    Mentioned this before here: https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/sarma-windproof-smock/34637

    Doubles as Load Carriage - enough pockets for 3-5 mags, some rats & a canteen. :D
    Tested it in rain at the Nagar Kirtan (Sikh Parade) last month.
    ---
    Performed as expected - light rain sure - anything heavier grab a stealth suit (underneath)
    One I have: https://snugpakusa.com/product.php?id=121

    This is the winter jacket I have: https://www.canex.ca/en/snugpak-elite-reversible-jacket-olv-013348

    Not advertising, this is just the standard gear the Infantry buys off-shelf.
    Not the best or the worst I guess, but for the money seems decent.
    Paid $200 CAD tax incl for both in 2019ish.
    Good civi gear will obviously perform better & be lighter.
     

    ---

    You make a good point about wokeness tbh.
    Civi gear has a secondary fashion component I guess.
    Have heard good things about Canada Goose & Outdoor Research for jackets/gloves respectively.

    Otherwise, I have no clue - since I only know how to operate till -15C.


    Below that you need specialized gear & really just layer up & cover extremities.

    A good arctic tent & movement during the day/outside should cover most things I imagine.
    A lot of specialized gear is for when you're stationary - lot of guys don't even wear anything warm on legs in movement.
    You probably know better/have more experience - I'm from a plains area.
    Also when it gets cold enough - keeping your beard from freezing is a challenge.
    Pointers appreciated!

     

  457. @Yahya
    @Coconuts


    I may be biased due to some Irish and working class background but always feel some Germans, Scandinavians and Baltic/Slavs can rival them in terms of ‘master race’ credentials.
     
    Yes well it is easy to be biased against one’s own people, because you do not have the luxury of idealizing them from afar. You are in every day contact with the mediocre multitude.

    I’ve long held Levantines in higher regard than Egyptians, but when I gave it some thought I realized that Egypt is by far the most accomplished and historically consequential Arab nation. Egyptian elites are also fairly solid, they can rival the best of Syria and Lebanon.

    https://youtu.be/sXUsT0S2HJ4

    But the average is too much of a joke. It is therefore impossible for me to regard Egyptians as the Herrenvolk of the Arab world. I find it easier to pass that accolade unto the Lebanese, whom I mostly view through the prism of Fouad Chehab, Amin Maalouf, Butrus Al-Bustani, Nassim N. Taleb, Amal Clooney etc.


    Germans, Scandinavians and Baltic/Slavs can rival them in terms of ‘master race’ credentials.
     
    Well Baltoids certainly have the Aryan Ubermenschen phenotypic characteristics, but calling them master race is a bit of a stretch. Their history mostly consists of subjugation and slavery at the hands of various groups of people. Slavs have some solid human capital at the high end, but have been likewise subjugated by foreigners for far too long. If Ivashka’s noviop musings are correct, they still are. So not much of a master people.

    I think a good candidate for Herrenvolk credentials are the Ionian elites of Turkey. They are descended from the Helleno-Hittite ruling caste of ancient tradition; have rarely been conquered or subjugated by other groups of people; and most recently were lording it over a large chunk of the Western Eurasian world.

    https://youtu.be/P4dv_7BurbU

    I am also a fan of Hindustani elites, though would not necessarily award them with master race status. Outside of Kashmiri Pandits and some other NW Indian / Pakistani groups; the phenotype is too much of an aesthetic disgrace, unfortunately.

    Ultimately, the title will have to go the French.

    https://youtu.be/0HvGt0ToW5g

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Beckow

    …Ultimately, the title will have to go the French.

    Absolutely not the French: short weaklings, overbred, suffering from a particularly French mental condition of low-end narcissism. There are some exceptions, but not the best biological material.

    The Germanic people have (unfortunately) peaked. They had tremendous potential but the last few generations have been dismal. They lost the sense of who they are and allowed prosperity, laziness and flattery to take them apart. It will be hard to come back.

    The best hope are the random pop-ups that will come out of less mature societies, and there Slavs, Balts, Turks, Latins, Irish (and others) are essential. They have managed to preserve the genetic potential and it will come back…(maybe even Egypt, but it seems from afar an old stock penetrated by the Nubians and other Africans)…

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Beckow


    Absolutely not the French:
     
    I think we have to agree first on a common set of criteria for measuring racial quality. My proposal: 1) intellect, 2) phenotype, 3) toughness, 4) refinement, 5) other.

    I was putting more emphasis on refinement and intellect in my previous post, but you’re right more attention is needed to other factors.

    I still think the French would rank highly based on intellect, phenotype, and refinement. But perhaps the toughness component would knock them down a few pegs.

    Same is true of Germanics/Nordics. I think 50-100 years ago their Herrenvolk status would’ve been fairly self-evident, but their present state of cuckery (Sweden Yes!) forces a re-appraisal.

    Balts have potential, if they can improve governance and scale their population. But their TFR and emigration rates are abysmal, so the future looks bleak. They have not demonstrated master race status in the past, except perhaps Lithuania during the PLC era. But the potential is definitely there.

    One group I overlooked, which I shouldn’t have: the Israelis. More specifically, the Eastern European Jews who built the country from scratch within a relatively short span of 50-70 years. Tough, smart and decent-looking. They are also intellectual without veering into effete over-sophistication, in contrast to their Ashkenazi co-ethnics in the US. A good example of this type is Israeli commander Moshe Dayan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Dayan

    Russians are solidly-built, smart and tough; but bizarrely dysfunctional and incapable of social organization on a broad scale. We see the fruits of this dysfunction in the present conflict. I think if they can sort out the social organization issues, they could earn the title, given population size and human capital.

    Egypt like you said has degenerated too much in racial quality. We wuz kangz for a thousand years but the trajectory has been downhill ever since. The SSA influx did not help one bit. But I think genetic drift too took its toll on the Egyptian stock. Some remnants of Pharaonic quality remain among the Egyptoid elite, but have disappeared from the mongrelized masses.


    https://i.ibb.co/ryBgCBC/2-E2-D005-E-EBAE-4717-9-F6-C-882-A3-EB6-E156.webp


    Arab Christians are solid, I would rank them up there, especially the Lebanese.

    Mestizos and low-caste Indians are automatically disqualified due to coarse phenotype and behavior.

    The Chinese are smart, but the higher orders are too lame, and the lower orders coarse.

    Koreans and Japanese I would rate more highly.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

  458. @sudden death
    @AP

    Pro(?)-Kremlin source:


    Several of our sources reported that the disaster at Kakhovskaya HPP was the result of a mistake. The administration of the hydroelectric plant and the military commandant wanted to adjust the water level, but could not take into account the critical deterioration of the structure. As a result of a local explosion there was a breakthrough and critical destruction. The source said that the Russian military command has put the perpetrators under court martial and they expect a long prison term. At the same time, Russia does not think that the situation was its fault. The reason is technical, the Kremlin is convinced.
     
    https://t.me/thekremlinru/242

    For comparison its take on Prigo as just another deliberate brick in Putin's inner wall of competing clans:


    A source from the entourage of the head of the PMC "Vagner" said that Yevgeny Prigozhin has no fear for his life, no fear of possible arrest or imprisonment. "Prigozhin has a personal mandate from Putin to criticize in exchange for effective results." According to experts, Prigozhin has five divisions at his disposal-"that's 50,000 well-armed men, plus military bases in Russia and abroad." If Yevgeny Prigozhin feared arrest, he would be on the territory of his military base. But Prigozhin moves freely around the country, accompanied by a small group of people. "Prigozhin is a brave man. He's not afraid of attempts on his life. He lives on adrenaline," says a close associate of the head of a private military company. The recent arrest of a Russian army lieutenant colonel is a signal that Prigozhin is ready to organize the arrest of any general except the top military brass. They are guarded by members of the army's special units, and the Federal Guard Service is suspended from providing their security. "Prigozhin broke a possible alliance of army generals and the FSB. He did not allow Zolotov and the Caucasian clans to become stronger. He took on the ideology of the NWO's critics from among their supporters." Prigozhin is Putin's tactical support, so they say in Prigozhin's own entourage.
     
    https://t.me/thekremlinru/235

    Have no formed opinion about the source reliability, but seems bit more interesting than usual "victorious plan is going smoothly" types, even if the core message seems to be in the same vein as "everything is more or less, but usual business" in RF now, so no need to panic;)

    Replies: @QCIC

    The messages are slightly informative with solid ambiguity.

    Is obvious PR and could be accurate or not.

  459. @Matra
    @Greasy William

    There were lots of reports like this one last year by pro-Ukrainian sources claiming most, even all, the zoo animals were stolen by the Russians and sent elsewhere - the linked report says Crimea. At the time I saw pro-Russian sources claiming this was Ukrainian propaganda and that the animals were still there. I wouldn't be surprised if the partisans of both sides now flip and claim the opposite of what they were saying last year.

    Replies: @AP, @Greasy William

    Russians were supposedly stealing from places that they were in the process of evacuating.

  460. @Beckow
    @Yahya


    ...Ultimately, the title will have to go the French.
     
    Absolutely not the French: short weaklings, overbred, suffering from a particularly French mental condition of low-end narcissism. There are some exceptions, but not the best biological material.

    The Germanic people have (unfortunately) peaked. They had tremendous potential but the last few generations have been dismal. They lost the sense of who they are and allowed prosperity, laziness and flattery to take them apart. It will be hard to come back.

    The best hope are the random pop-ups that will come out of less mature societies, and there Slavs, Balts, Turks, Latins, Irish (and others) are essential. They have managed to preserve the genetic potential and it will come back...(maybe even Egypt, but it seems from afar an old stock penetrated by the Nubians and other Africans)...

    Replies: @Yahya

    Absolutely not the French:

    I think we have to agree first on a common set of criteria for measuring racial quality. My proposal: 1) intellect, 2) phenotype, 3) toughness, 4) refinement, 5) other.

    I was putting more emphasis on refinement and intellect in my previous post, but you’re right more attention is needed to other factors.

    I still think the French would rank highly based on intellect, phenotype, and refinement. But perhaps the toughness component would knock them down a few pegs.

    Same is true of Germanics/Nordics. I think 50-100 years ago their Herrenvolk status would’ve been fairly self-evident, but their present state of cuckery (Sweden Yes!) forces a re-appraisal.

    Balts have potential, if they can improve governance and scale their population. But their TFR and emigration rates are abysmal, so the future looks bleak. They have not demonstrated master race status in the past, except perhaps Lithuania during the PLC era. But the potential is definitely there.

    One group I overlooked, which I shouldn’t have: the Israelis. More specifically, the Eastern European Jews who built the country from scratch within a relatively short span of 50-70 years. Tough, smart and decent-looking. They are also intellectual without veering into effete over-sophistication, in contrast to their Ashkenazi co-ethnics in the US. A good example of this type is Israeli commander Moshe Dayan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Dayan

    Russians are solidly-built, smart and tough; but bizarrely dysfunctional and incapable of social organization on a broad scale. We see the fruits of this dysfunction in the present conflict. I think if they can sort out the social organization issues, they could earn the title, given population size and human capital.

    Egypt like you said has degenerated too much in racial quality. We wuz kangz for a thousand years but the trajectory has been downhill ever since. The SSA influx did not help one bit. But I think genetic drift too took its toll on the Egyptian stock. Some remnants of Pharaonic quality remain among the Egyptoid elite, but have disappeared from the mongrelized masses.

    Arab Christians are solid, I would rank them up there, especially the Lebanese.

    Mestizos and low-caste Indians are automatically disqualified due to coarse phenotype and behavior.

    The Chinese are smart, but the higher orders are too lame, and the lower orders coarse.

    Koreans and Japanese I would rate more highly.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Yahya

    According to your criteria, the lands between Russia and Germany would qualify, overall. Their people are among the world’s most beautiful, they are tough (as we see), they are of high intellect by global standards, they are fairly refined. And they have kept their lands relatively free of outsiders.

    A helpful map:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Islam_in_Europe-2010.svg

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Beckow
    @Yahya


    ...My proposal: 1) intellect, 2) phenotype, 3) toughness, 4) refinement, 5) other.
     
    There are different ways to name the criteria, my personal preference is the overall genetic health that shows in one's physical appearance. Intellect is a tough one because it varies a lot generation to generation, and there are some kinds of 'intellect' that are not particularly viable biologically - an obvious example is a mental gift for teary self-pitying mythological verbose poems...some nations that have it are otherwise quite evolutionary useless.

    The other two criteria we need is level of genetic mix and size: inbred and small groups like the Balts rank low. That may be an issue with the Israelis too.


    genetic drift too took its toll on the Egyptian stock
     
    Do you think it is reversible? The modern Egyptians are not on the same level as the ancient ones. (This is true about many nations, including Greeks, etc...). Once the drift and mix happen, do you think the original sweet genetic spot is possible?

    I look at Germanic nations and there is a deep drop in their quality, it looks unstoppable. The fact that e.g. the Brits are now ruled by South Asians and they worship athletic prowess of non-Brits is an open admission of defeat. Add the cultural-gender confusion and the pathological propensity to lie and you get a dysfunctional future.

    Asians are interesting and often high quality, but I can't help but be alienated from their cultures - maybe my fault, but it feels like they are aliens out of space, a different world.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Wokechoke

  461. @QCIC
    @songbird

    I think that is an old pattern, start with dreams of reusability and end up with low cost throw-away. We will have to wait and see how SpaceX works out over a longer term. Lower cost LNG fuel probably helps a little.

    One avoidable expensive launch failure due to a reusable rocket could blow up insurance costs. Cheap, cookie cutter satellites may help in that regard.

    Replies: @songbird

    One avoidable expensive launch failure due to a reusable rocket could blow up insurance costs.

    Musk likes to use the phrase ‘launch-proven.’. Maybe, there is something to the idea that flight-tested is safer.

    Though, it is a relative thing, and it’s hard to conceive how any of these private companies could survive an accident with manned flight and continue with it. Though, I guess Virgin Galactic maybe sort of did. (Suborbital)

    This guy has an overview of Chinese programs. Everything seems years away, and nobody seems to be investing SpaceX bucks ($5+ billion in starship) so far.

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: QCIC
  462. AP says:
    @Yahya
    @Beckow


    Absolutely not the French:
     
    I think we have to agree first on a common set of criteria for measuring racial quality. My proposal: 1) intellect, 2) phenotype, 3) toughness, 4) refinement, 5) other.

    I was putting more emphasis on refinement and intellect in my previous post, but you’re right more attention is needed to other factors.

    I still think the French would rank highly based on intellect, phenotype, and refinement. But perhaps the toughness component would knock them down a few pegs.

    Same is true of Germanics/Nordics. I think 50-100 years ago their Herrenvolk status would’ve been fairly self-evident, but their present state of cuckery (Sweden Yes!) forces a re-appraisal.

    Balts have potential, if they can improve governance and scale their population. But their TFR and emigration rates are abysmal, so the future looks bleak. They have not demonstrated master race status in the past, except perhaps Lithuania during the PLC era. But the potential is definitely there.

    One group I overlooked, which I shouldn’t have: the Israelis. More specifically, the Eastern European Jews who built the country from scratch within a relatively short span of 50-70 years. Tough, smart and decent-looking. They are also intellectual without veering into effete over-sophistication, in contrast to their Ashkenazi co-ethnics in the US. A good example of this type is Israeli commander Moshe Dayan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Dayan

    Russians are solidly-built, smart and tough; but bizarrely dysfunctional and incapable of social organization on a broad scale. We see the fruits of this dysfunction in the present conflict. I think if they can sort out the social organization issues, they could earn the title, given population size and human capital.

    Egypt like you said has degenerated too much in racial quality. We wuz kangz for a thousand years but the trajectory has been downhill ever since. The SSA influx did not help one bit. But I think genetic drift too took its toll on the Egyptian stock. Some remnants of Pharaonic quality remain among the Egyptoid elite, but have disappeared from the mongrelized masses.


    https://i.ibb.co/ryBgCBC/2-E2-D005-E-EBAE-4717-9-F6-C-882-A3-EB6-E156.webp


    Arab Christians are solid, I would rank them up there, especially the Lebanese.

    Mestizos and low-caste Indians are automatically disqualified due to coarse phenotype and behavior.

    The Chinese are smart, but the higher orders are too lame, and the lower orders coarse.

    Koreans and Japanese I would rate more highly.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

    According to your criteria, the lands between Russia and Germany would qualify, overall. Their people are among the world’s most beautiful, they are tough (as we see), they are of high intellect by global standards, they are fairly refined. And they have kept their lands relatively free of outsiders.

    A helpful map:

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    Romanians? Are you serious?


    the lands between Russia and Germany would qualify, overall
     
    Theoretically one could agree with that - correcting for the borders. But one of the basic things to evaluate are the results: if the people in that region are indeed that well endowed why have they created such sh..tty lives for themselves?

    Blaming outsiders is easy, but what is it in the genetic fond that makes these gifted nations so susceptible to being used by the others? Why is the comprador urge so strong? Why are they so little interested in the mutual cooperation?

    It is a big part of the genetic picture and the nations in Central East rank low. Some are better than others, but some are outright champions as the self-defeating moping sell-outs whose 'toughness' mostly benefits others - I am looking at the hapless, bleeding Ukies, the world current champions in sacrificing themselves for the others...

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Eastern Europe (Intermarium) is admirable for its lack of Muslims, but also suffers from a lack of elite science production and R & D spending. Here is a map of the Nature Index for Europe, for instance:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/map-nature-index-cities-europe-2017.png

    And here's a map of the Nature Index for the world:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/map-nature-index-cities-world-2017.png

    The parts of the West that have the most problematic bad apples (Muslims and blacks/Africans) also have by far the most elite science production and R & D spending:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_research_and_development_spending

    (I don't really consider non-Communist East Asia to be a part of the West here, though obviously if I did, then the calculation here would change somewhat.)

  463. @Yahya
    @Mr. Hack


    This is probably true, but you’re certainly not very humble. 🙂 No offense Yahya, but you do come off as being a good deal snobbish
     
    Oh come on Mr. Hack, is it not obvious I was lampooning the classical music snobs? I’m honestly offended that you thought I was being serious.

    Admittedly, when God handed out humility, I did not receive my fair share. I was also bestowed with a large degree of narcissism. But because I am extremely smart and perceptive, I am aware of these tendencies and do not let myself get carried away by them.


    (you could even give AP a run for the money in this department, 🙂 )
     
    In my day-to-day interactions, I always treat people with respect no matter the background.

    But I will not apologize for my socio-political elitism. It is the rational stance in my opinion.


    You might expand your horizons a bit by listening to this, and then honestly tell me whether there’s anything interesting going on here:
     
    I liked “Lady Of The Lake”, “Arthur’s Queen”, and “King Of Merlins”.

    The rest was garbage.


    Think of rock music as a form of folk music of the Western world that developed in the mid 20-th century.
     
    Rock music is the ultimate expression of Western post-modern degeneracy.

    https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg

    Admittedly some of the tunes are catchy.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. Hack

    Oh come on Mr. Hack, is it not obvious I was lampooning the classical music snobs? I’m honestly offended that you thought I was being serious.

    Actually I did think that you were presenting the “classical snob” point of view. I do recall that in the not-too-distant past, we were discussing music from the Middle East, and I had presented some musicians that play music from their respective countries in a more upbeat and modern fashion. As I recall, you basically recoiled in disgust, indicating that your aesthetics seldom stray from the original well proven source of their inspiration. How was I to know that you do sometimes appreciate the more “catchy” modern tunes? 🙂

    But I will not apologize for my socio-political elitism. It is the rational stance in my opinion.

    You shouldn’t have to, and neither have I ever taken you to task for these views.

    Rock music is the ultimate expression of Western post-modern degeneracy.

    A rather curt, dismissive and unsatisfactory response to make. “Rock music” holds a very wide assemblage of styles, rhythms and sources that it relies upon within its umbrella. Perhaps, you’ve never been exposed to very much of it. You found three “catchy” tunes within my suggested album that you enjoyed. I’m sure that there are more out there too!

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    I think Yahya doesn't know also other people here like AP, classical music was hybrid of art and logic system.

    After results were derived, there wasn't space for creativity, without repeating old results, or going to technical new variations.

    20th century classical music was becoming very technical, and it's not popular with so many people, who are not music experts. For modern music, the technical training to be able to compose, isn’t so different to working as a electrical engineers.

    But the products of the 20th century classical music tradition, mainly popular with people who had the same training, while the more simple music in the 19th century was popular with wider circles.

    In the USSR, there was different ways trying to continue the European tradition using the same logic, while the authorities in dictatorship still want this to be accessible for the wider circles. E.g. Prokofiev sometimes even re-writing late 18th century music, but this is not popular now.

    But in American capitalism, consumers are choosing, so they go to "farm on a virgin soil", and the popular market goes to basis of military music and African focus on the rhythm complexity. This is how the new types of 20th century music, like rock music, then the talented people are going to work in this area.

  464. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool


    Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin
     
    This is about the world's proven worst source for facts.

    Intelligence officials say

     

    Repeat repeat for emphasis emphasis.

    The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36

     

    False. Whistleblowers are locked up in jail, exiled in Russia, or live nervous in South America where it is inconvenient for murdering feds to get access.

    Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors.
     
    Have you heard Vallee and Puthoff and Davis talk about this stuff? The information is so restricted you could not pull a pin out of their anus with a tractor they choose their words so carefully. No 36 year old pilot has access to diddly squat.

    Karl E. Nell, a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the Army’s liaison for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with Grusch there, characterizes Grusch as “beyond reproach.”

     

    Karl Nell looks like a weener-licker to me. I am prejudiced.

    Christopher Mellon, who spent nearly twenty years in the U.S. Intelligence Community and served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena.

     

    Christopher Mellon is the lead public voice of the current project which began in 2017. Day 0 of that project was an article in the New York Times by Leslie Kean and Max Blumenthal. Earlier lead public voices were Tom Delonge (since ejected) and Lou Elizondo (since ejected). I am misspelling Lou's first name. He uses some custom spelling which I spit on. Christopher Mellon may soon be ejected and replaced by Gary Nolan. You will notice if you listen to any of these people that they make no sense.

    To quote E. Michael Jones, "if it doesn't make sense it isn't true". I don't think he claims that as original; there are paraphrases going back to Confucius and Zoroaster. This article is gibberish. Leslie Kean has done splendid work in the past. She is now a CIA public relations worker.

    True fact: if you approach UFO's with an attitude of dogmatic materialism you are going nowhere.

    Also a true fact: the government denied UFO's even existed 1947-2017. Now they say they lied for 70 years but now they are speaking true. Ha!

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool, @Ivashka the fool

    True fact: if you approach UFO’s with an attitude of dogmatic materialism you are going nowhere.

    Also a true fact: the government denied UFO’s even existed 1947-2017. Now they say they lied for 70 years but now they are speaking true. Ha!

    Can’t disagree with you here. It makes sense.

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    Kean walking backwards now.

    https://twitter.com/blackvaultcom/status/1666486906094501889?cxt=HHwWgoDSyd_AxqAuAAAA

    Must be tough to have to go on camera crapping on your source two days after publishing.

  465. @AP
    @Mikel


    "True, but we were not designed to run regularly."

    I think we were, actually. Just watch a documentary showing how the Khoisan and other hunter-gatherers in Africa spend their lives. The Khoisan in particular sometimes spend all day running in groups to encircle their prey.
     

    I was thinking about just that when I wrote my comment. It was not a lot of running but a lot of (brisk) walking and tracking. They would exhaust the prey not by running it down but by keeping in constant movement, never letting it rest, tracking and following over several days until it collapses. Other animals would be hit with a poison arrow and then tracked and followed for a few days until the poison and exhaustion do their job. We are not like lions or wolves, we are unique in that we can walk briskly for days without resting much.

    https://i.imgur.com/RoK0iKp.png

    And they would not hunt constantly. They would catch the prey, then relax and not do much for days. A large prey animal such as a giraffe could feed a band of people for weeks.

    https://i.imgur.com/TUiLU4O.png

    Smaller animals were probably caught more frequently. These were caught in traps or snares; bushmen would walk a lot to inspect them.


    Our Ice Age ancestors in Europe probably spent more time in caves and refuges than their tropical counterparts but the need for food was constant and the means to preserve it rudimentary
     
    It would be similar, though large prey could feed people for a very long time (I imagine a mammoth could last a month). In warm months it was preserved by drying, in winter it could just be frozen.

    But whatever makes one feel good is probably the best for each individual
     
    Sure, I was just pointing out that we are built for walking a lot (many hours daily, which is hard to do in modern society) more than we are built for running or sprinting. Chronic runners often develop knee and other problems. Walkers don't.

    To each his own, of course. Running is still better than being sedentary, and I suppose if one does not have time for long walks quick bursts will do. Aesthetically, I find that a walk is much more immersive of a natural experience than running.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @silviosilver, @Mikel

    Well, the word that best describes for me what I’ve seen the Khoisan do when they hunt is running. Long distance running, to be precise. But if you prefer to call it a brisk walk I won’t start an argument over that. It’s OK.

    Not that one should necessarily emulate hunter-gatherers for anything in particular if there’s not enough evidence that it’s good for us personally but the fact that all hunter-gatherers did have to do what I call running in the wild proves by itself what our bodies have been designed to do for many millennia. Of course they would typically be unable to outrun their prey but you can’t possibly be successful at hunting with spears and arrows if you’re not ready to run and even do the occasional sprint to get close enough to your target.

    Chronic runners often develop knee and other problems. Walkers don’t.

    This is probably true, although many of those problems stem from improper gear, overexercising or excessive weight. But walking is safer than running if you want to avoid injury. And static bicycle or treadmills are even safer. They’re just a totally different thing though. I can get exactly the same heart rate and oxygen consumption on a treadmill as through uphill running but one bores me to death while the other revitalizes me.

    Moreover, I’ve never really tried Ivashka’s type of trail running through forests and along rivers but the uphill running that I do is definitely good for my joints, as long as I use light, anatomical shoes. I believe I’ve even cured knee injuries by running slowly uphill for several days. This kind of exercise against gravity imposes a regular, moderate cadence, whether you like it or not, and the movements strengthen all your joints, making them work in unison. Somewhat similar to biking, which is also known to be joint-friendly. Running downhill is a totally different type of movement, much harder on your joints, so I usually walk or jog slowly down. This is all just my experience though. I can’t back it up with any literature.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mikel

    Along with swimming, weight training and walking (many of us have only so many miles 0f running before it becomes chronically difficult) -

    https://jacobsladderexercise.com/product/jacobs-ladder-gym-equipment/

    https://www.globalfitness.com/products/used-life-fitness-clpm-integrity-series-powermill-climber?variant=19109048287330

    https://www.globalfitness.com/products/used-life-fitness-clsc-integrity-series-upright-bike?variant=19109060083810

  466. @Matra
    @Greasy William

    There were lots of reports like this one last year by pro-Ukrainian sources claiming most, even all, the zoo animals were stolen by the Russians and sent elsewhere - the linked report says Crimea. At the time I saw pro-Russian sources claiming this was Ukrainian propaganda and that the animals were still there. I wouldn't be surprised if the partisans of both sides now flip and claim the opposite of what they were saying last year.

    Replies: @AP, @Greasy William

    I hope those poor animals are okay

  467. @Yahya
    @Beckow


    Absolutely not the French:
     
    I think we have to agree first on a common set of criteria for measuring racial quality. My proposal: 1) intellect, 2) phenotype, 3) toughness, 4) refinement, 5) other.

    I was putting more emphasis on refinement and intellect in my previous post, but you’re right more attention is needed to other factors.

    I still think the French would rank highly based on intellect, phenotype, and refinement. But perhaps the toughness component would knock them down a few pegs.

    Same is true of Germanics/Nordics. I think 50-100 years ago their Herrenvolk status would’ve been fairly self-evident, but their present state of cuckery (Sweden Yes!) forces a re-appraisal.

    Balts have potential, if they can improve governance and scale their population. But their TFR and emigration rates are abysmal, so the future looks bleak. They have not demonstrated master race status in the past, except perhaps Lithuania during the PLC era. But the potential is definitely there.

    One group I overlooked, which I shouldn’t have: the Israelis. More specifically, the Eastern European Jews who built the country from scratch within a relatively short span of 50-70 years. Tough, smart and decent-looking. They are also intellectual without veering into effete over-sophistication, in contrast to their Ashkenazi co-ethnics in the US. A good example of this type is Israeli commander Moshe Dayan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Dayan

    Russians are solidly-built, smart and tough; but bizarrely dysfunctional and incapable of social organization on a broad scale. We see the fruits of this dysfunction in the present conflict. I think if they can sort out the social organization issues, they could earn the title, given population size and human capital.

    Egypt like you said has degenerated too much in racial quality. We wuz kangz for a thousand years but the trajectory has been downhill ever since. The SSA influx did not help one bit. But I think genetic drift too took its toll on the Egyptian stock. Some remnants of Pharaonic quality remain among the Egyptoid elite, but have disappeared from the mongrelized masses.


    https://i.ibb.co/ryBgCBC/2-E2-D005-E-EBAE-4717-9-F6-C-882-A3-EB6-E156.webp


    Arab Christians are solid, I would rank them up there, especially the Lebanese.

    Mestizos and low-caste Indians are automatically disqualified due to coarse phenotype and behavior.

    The Chinese are smart, but the higher orders are too lame, and the lower orders coarse.

    Koreans and Japanese I would rate more highly.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

    …My proposal: 1) intellect, 2) phenotype, 3) toughness, 4) refinement, 5) other.

    There are different ways to name the criteria, my personal preference is the overall genetic health that shows in one’s physical appearance. Intellect is a tough one because it varies a lot generation to generation, and there are some kinds of ‘intellect’ that are not particularly viable biologically – an obvious example is a mental gift for teary self-pitying mythological verbose poems…some nations that have it are otherwise quite evolutionary useless.

    The other two criteria we need is level of genetic mix and size: inbred and small groups like the Balts rank low. That may be an issue with the Israelis too.

    genetic drift too took its toll on the Egyptian stock

    Do you think it is reversible? The modern Egyptians are not on the same level as the ancient ones. (This is true about many nations, including Greeks, etc…). Once the drift and mix happen, do you think the original sweet genetic spot is possible?

    I look at Germanic nations and there is a deep drop in their quality, it looks unstoppable. The fact that e.g. the Brits are now ruled by South Asians and they worship athletic prowess of non-Brits is an open admission of defeat. Add the cultural-gender confusion and the pathological propensity to lie and you get a dysfunctional future.

    Asians are interesting and often high quality, but I can’t help but be alienated from their cultures – maybe my fault, but it feels like they are aliens out of space, a different world.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Beckow


    Do you think it is reversible?
     
    It’s certainly possible. But is it likely to happen, under present cultural/environmental conditions?

    No.

    In fact, quite the opposite.


    But how about 300-400 years out?

    If the techno-futurists are to be believed, the world may be on the cusp of some important paradigm shifts.

    So who knows.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    Haaland is worshipped in Manchester

  468. @AP
    @Yahya

    According to your criteria, the lands between Russia and Germany would qualify, overall. Their people are among the world’s most beautiful, they are tough (as we see), they are of high intellect by global standards, they are fairly refined. And they have kept their lands relatively free of outsiders.

    A helpful map:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Islam_in_Europe-2010.svg

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Romanians? Are you serious?

    the lands between Russia and Germany would qualify, overall

    Theoretically one could agree with that – correcting for the borders. But one of the basic things to evaluate are the results: if the people in that region are indeed that well endowed why have they created such sh..tty lives for themselves?

    Blaming outsiders is easy, but what is it in the genetic fond that makes these gifted nations so susceptible to being used by the others? Why is the comprador urge so strong? Why are they so little interested in the mutual cooperation?

    It is a big part of the genetic picture and the nations in Central East rank low. Some are better than others, but some are outright champions as the self-defeating moping sell-outs whose ‘toughness’ mostly benefits others – I am looking at the hapless, bleeding Ukies, the world current champions in sacrificing themselves for the others…

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    That area is a bloodland.

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    Romanians? Are you serious?
     
    I haven't been there, but it seems to be doing well economically and parts are very pleasant. It is full of Roma though (which is not reflected on the map, which only tracks Muslims). Slovakia and Hungary also have a lot of them.

    "the lands between Russia and Germany would qualify, overall"

    Theoretically one could agree with that – correcting for the borders. But one of the basic things to evaluate are the results: if the people in that region are indeed that well endowed why have they created such sh..tty lives for themselves?
     
    Lives there are pretty good, if not for wars. Certainly good on a global level. The region has bad neighbors.

    Blaming outsiders is easy

     

    Indeed, the truth is easy.

    You should try it sometime.

    but what is it in the genetic fond that makes these gifted nations so susceptible to being used by the others
     
    A false question, because they are not. Unless you see mutual aid as being "used by others."

    Ukrainians, Poles, Balts did not want to be part of Eurasia, alongside Russians, Tatars, Tadzhiks, Chechens, etc. Eurasia is not as nice as east-central Europe. So they have fought against the Russians (they are tough peoples). Often these struggles coincided with other's plans. French, Germans, Swedes, Americans, etc. So they joined forces.

    Someone who is a natural servant can only see the world in terms of servitude, someone serving others, being "used" etc. It's all they know, all they are. But it is not that way.

    I am looking at the hapless, bleeding Ukies, the world current champions in sacrificing themselves for the others
     
    They are the frontline against the Eurasian beast who wants to take their land. So they fight for it. A beautiful, smart, and tough people.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  469. Battle of the Nations

    In women’s quarterfinals in Paris Belarus crushed Ukraine. The Ukrainian player, who lives in London and does not speak Ukrainian, refused to shake hands after with the Belarusian woman to express disdain for deplorables. The plorables on twitter applauded.

    You think plorables is not a word? My spellcheck claims deplorables is not a word. To quote the American philosopher Sister Soulja: two wrongs don’t make a right but it damn sure makes it even.

  470. @Beckow
    @Yahya


    ...My proposal: 1) intellect, 2) phenotype, 3) toughness, 4) refinement, 5) other.
     
    There are different ways to name the criteria, my personal preference is the overall genetic health that shows in one's physical appearance. Intellect is a tough one because it varies a lot generation to generation, and there are some kinds of 'intellect' that are not particularly viable biologically - an obvious example is a mental gift for teary self-pitying mythological verbose poems...some nations that have it are otherwise quite evolutionary useless.

    The other two criteria we need is level of genetic mix and size: inbred and small groups like the Balts rank low. That may be an issue with the Israelis too.


    genetic drift too took its toll on the Egyptian stock
     
    Do you think it is reversible? The modern Egyptians are not on the same level as the ancient ones. (This is true about many nations, including Greeks, etc...). Once the drift and mix happen, do you think the original sweet genetic spot is possible?

    I look at Germanic nations and there is a deep drop in their quality, it looks unstoppable. The fact that e.g. the Brits are now ruled by South Asians and they worship athletic prowess of non-Brits is an open admission of defeat. Add the cultural-gender confusion and the pathological propensity to lie and you get a dysfunctional future.

    Asians are interesting and often high quality, but I can't help but be alienated from their cultures - maybe my fault, but it feels like they are aliens out of space, a different world.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Wokechoke

    Do you think it is reversible?

    It’s certainly possible. But is it likely to happen, under present cultural/environmental conditions?

    No.

    In fact, quite the opposite.

    But how about 300-400 years out?

    If the techno-futurists are to be believed, the world may be on the cusp of some important paradigm shifts.

    So who knows.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Yahya


    ...the world may be on the cusp of some important paradigm shifts.
     
    The shifts are not making it better. The liberalism has been gradually unleashed in all societies around the world - the good parts are by now mostly passe, but the liberal pathologies are unbound. The techie stuff is only accelerating it.

    The core weakness of the liberal ideology is that it undermines family formation, it dismisses having children as a "choice". As long as enough traditional people exist around them it can function quite well - but the latest incarnation of liberalism has a militancy about it: they can't stand the normal people any more, self-hatred mixed with narcissism. A fatal combination.

    The problem with the still traditional societies (like Egypt, Russia, China...) is that they are ranked lower in the mankind's consciousness - they are automatically relegated to a second tier status. They are gradually undermined from the inside, by their own budding 'liberalism' that looks to the West for its nirvana.

  471. @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool


    Gentlemen, this world is f☆cked because your generation cannot understand simple things such as:
     
    It goes back way further than this generation. How many of these simple things did you understand at their age? I know for me, my reaction would have been a terrified "that's nazi as fuck!" Actually, wow, I hadn't thought about this for years, but there was a kid in high school when we were maybe 16 or 17, who said to me something like, "Hitler was a prick the way he killed all those Jews, but he had the right idea to create a master race, don't you think?" [ie his understanding of what Hitler was all about]. I just stared at him, trying to work out whether he was being serious or not, disagreed and then changed the subject. Internally, though, it shook me up think that anyone could have such thoughts in our day and age. (Hadn't 'racism' been proven to be wrong - factually inaccurate and immoral?) It confirmed to me the necessity of being vigilant about the threat of nazis rising again.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I know for me, my reaction would have been a terrified “that’s nazi as fuck!”

    Sure. That would have also been my reaction until around 1992. What I saw and experienced in the early post-Soviet 90ies and during my life in the West afterwards has changed me completely. I now see things in a different light. And what is happening in Ukraine nowadays is reinforcing my pov about the current social, demographic and geopolitical dynamics.

  472. @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool


    Some of them, really had an unpleasant attitude towards service personnel in a hotel or a restaurant, or towards the taxi drivers. I felt uneasy when it happened because I always try to be as polite as possible with people who attend to my needs.
     
    My wife told me about this problem, partly from her experience working in hospitality where they were among the clients and she has some relatives who are maybe in the middle or lower-middle part of the Rus Fed elite when most of the family are still fairly average income Belarusians. I was surprised by it being so stark.

    While I was writing about the good sides of the British elite, there are the bad sides, why working class people used to have counter-intuitive combinations of beliefs (like socialism plus monarchism, socialism and traditional religion), or people of Irish descent might have inherited wariness about them.

    The problem of what to do when aristocracy goes bad and becomes enthusiastic about weird beliefs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuR_yuDqOXw

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Most of the elite of Russia except some fathers, doesn’t live in Russia. There was the massive emigration of elite especially in years around 2003-2015.

    In my experience, they are liberal, usually gentle people.

    Most of the rich people I’ve met, are unusually nice, externally. Actually, why rich people seem nicer people, is more kind of artificial youth in a golden cage, when you only meet other nice people from similar golden cages, everyone going to schools in England or Switzerland etc.

    It’s living in the golden cage in wealthy areas of the world, based in minimization of exposure to the postsoviet society.

    But postsoviet society is winners vs losers society, winners immediately exiting to allow the people below them in the ladder to fight each other for scraps from the table.

    middle or lower-middle part of the Rus Fed elite

    If they were somewhere with the culture like Moscow. Moscow is dystopian rat race society of kitsch and status signalling.

    In the Soviet times, Moscow was also sometimes famous with more unpleasant snobby people, according to stereotype. Saint-Petersburg only more snobby about culture and speech, but the city has more of real attainments in culture.

    In most of Russia, people are better in this area. Although nowadays system of control in the society by Moscow, is to cause everyone feel like they are better than another person.

    Collectively, if Russians can’t be better than Russians, they can be better than Ukrainians. If Ukrainians will live better, it will create political problems for Moscow, as talking about living better than Ukrainians was one of the recent themes.

    Or people pretending they are better than Central Asian guest workers, even though Central Asians doing the jobs Russians don’t want, as the politicians said.

    This snobby behavior is typical of the second and third world countries, with corrupt elite. In Latin America, there will be Latinos pretending they are better because of slightly less brown skin. In India, they created 3000 castes.

    I think the first world countries are more successful to remove this. For example, countries like Netherlands or Denmark. Removing this culture, correlates with the more developed countries. So, in the postsoviet space, it would reduce eventually.

    sides of the British elite

    Because it’s authentic brahmins, with centuries of knowing how to protect their lifestyle in the Kingdom.

    But historically, Great British elite always delegate, reform, compromise, in well organized way, responsible managers.

    Reaction of the Kingdom to the French revolution, giving more political power to Girondins, like a careful engineering project to release pressure, or rescue the overheating nuclear reactor. Then later, give the power to Sans-culottes.

    Eventually the society becomes very equal and the “lower class” (there isn’t really lower class in those countries) living like an elite.

    In the 20th century, even following a lot of the communist kind of housing solutions.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    If they were somewhere with the culture like Moscow. Moscow is dystopian rat race society of kitsch and status signalling.
     
    They were indeed Muscovites, also this is some time ago. I think they were people who were in their 40s and 50s in the 2000s and early 2010s, so would have grown up under the Soviet system and started accumulating wealth in the 90s/2000s.

    I haven't had any experience with the younger higher elites who have grown up abroad, though the children of my wife's relatives are more mellow than their parents.

    With the British ones I knew, some were certainly nice people and some less so. They could be very competitive and had much more parental and social expectations placed on them. When I was a student there was some phenomena of the upper class young women having lower class boyfriends (the result of female liberation?). I thought that this was related to expectations, lower class boyfriends had lower ones and wouldn't judge them in the same way. There also already seemed to be feuds or personal rivalries going on that people from different classes weren't part of, perhaps evidence in favour of the idea that rivalry within classes or social strata is as bad as that between them.


    Reaction of the Kingdom to the French revolution, giving more political power to Girondins, like a careful engineering project to release pressure, or rescue the overheating nuclear reactor. Then later, give the power to Sans-culottes.
     
    It seems like they came to things sooner than other parts of Europe. Girondins of England and Scotland maybe asserted themselves in 1688, so by 1789 they could be strong conservatives, but of the Glorious Revolution of the late 17th century.

    I think part of the reaction to the French Revolution was to take the chance to pursue expansion overseas in new fields of enterprise, to take advantage of the way the French neutralised or distracted rivals. Britain's industrial revolution continued, Portugal and Latin America came much more into the British economic sphere, possessions in India expanded, contacts in the Middle East were made.

    In that way they fashioned a 'cushion' against the build up of social antagonism and a base from which to grant social concessions and expand democracy in the future.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

  473. @Sher Singh
    @Yahya

    British upper classes don't carry weapons - therefore, 0 respect.

    Turns out about 2/3 kids stayed home out of protest of LGBT on June 1.

    Based.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Wokechoke

    You’ve obviously never been in the countryside.

    The permanent crack of shotguns is a characteristic soundtrack.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Wokechoke

    No shotguns at the dinner table or at the church pew.
    Or at the shopping mall, inside the cab, visiting the Queen (sic) at parliament.

    God is everywhere, so why should not weapons be?
    Answer this.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  474. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool


    Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin
     
    This is about the world's proven worst source for facts.

    Intelligence officials say

     

    Repeat repeat for emphasis emphasis.

    The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36

     

    False. Whistleblowers are locked up in jail, exiled in Russia, or live nervous in South America where it is inconvenient for murdering feds to get access.

    Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors.
     
    Have you heard Vallee and Puthoff and Davis talk about this stuff? The information is so restricted you could not pull a pin out of their anus with a tractor they choose their words so carefully. No 36 year old pilot has access to diddly squat.

    Karl E. Nell, a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the Army’s liaison for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with Grusch there, characterizes Grusch as “beyond reproach.”

     

    Karl Nell looks like a weener-licker to me. I am prejudiced.

    Christopher Mellon, who spent nearly twenty years in the U.S. Intelligence Community and served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena.

     

    Christopher Mellon is the lead public voice of the current project which began in 2017. Day 0 of that project was an article in the New York Times by Leslie Kean and Max Blumenthal. Earlier lead public voices were Tom Delonge (since ejected) and Lou Elizondo (since ejected). I am misspelling Lou's first name. He uses some custom spelling which I spit on. Christopher Mellon may soon be ejected and replaced by Gary Nolan. You will notice if you listen to any of these people that they make no sense.

    To quote E. Michael Jones, "if it doesn't make sense it isn't true". I don't think he claims that as original; there are paraphrases going back to Confucius and Zoroaster. This article is gibberish. Leslie Kean has done splendid work in the past. She is now a CIA public relations worker.

    True fact: if you approach UFO's with an attitude of dogmatic materialism you are going nowhere.

    Also a true fact: the government denied UFO's even existed 1947-2017. Now they say they lied for 70 years but now they are speaking true. Ha!

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool, @Ivashka the fool

    I don’t have access to Newsnation, and I actually gave up on owning a TV a few years ago. So I have no way to listen to the full Grush interview.

    The news are now all around the web. I just read about it on a Russian Tg Channel.

    And yeah, as I wrote initially to Dima, it might all be a kind of contorted psyop. Why would they do that ? Perhaps they need a distraction from something big coming shortly.

    Or perhaps it’s the real deal and the moment has just come for it to become commonly accepted knowledge.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Cuomo, really? What do the goofy science pundits say?

    I predict they will tell us aliens are pedophiles and that makes it OK and maybe even mandatory.

    That reminds me of one the many classic lines from the movie Aliens (1986),

    "It don't matter when it's Arcturian baby!" [male or female pxssy]. I used to think it was funny. Little did I know, transgender propaganda was everywhere--even the damn aliens are in on it :(

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Or another hypothesis which is popular for the netizens, is slow normalization of themes over a century to prevent destabilization of too much modern knowledge, mainly promoting the themes as form of comedy.

    So, we like to watch for comedy discussions of Joe Rogan and "Ancient Aliens". But nowadays, also a successful professor in a university, who is an Ancient Astronaut theorist.

    I guess you can interpret possibly in different ways, like as an eccentric person who is addict of "Ancient Aliens", sample of decline of logic and academic levels of our time, or a next stage of normalization when professors are speaking like Joe Rogan.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    And yeah, as I wrote initially to Dima, it might all be a kind of contorted psyop. Why would they do that ?
     
    Wholly separate from whether ET's exist or not (I think they likely do, though am less certain how much actual 'Earth contact' has happened, if any, and am quite leery of the present context of the claims of late) I could see this being used to enhance the power of the powers that be.

    At a certain point, via the corporate mass media, they could have 'our new found (ET) friends' declare their public support for the world state, ie the 'United States of the World'. This would perhaps be useful to lock in support from that sizeable minority of true believers in the 'UFO community.'

    The modern day progs, having long ago adopted the ends justify the means to achieve objectives and to take what they want, have proven themselves quite capable of doing whatever it takes. Lying and cheating is nothing to them, ie see the Kavanaugh hearings for instance.

    Whatever it is people are actually seeing in regards to the 'ET sightings', they (whatever they are) may not be as benign as people would prefer. Some have made what they believe to be an occult connection with certain of today's events, ie the push for the world state and the ET phenomena, being featured, amongst other things. [The potential occult aspect all by itself is probably worthy of a discussion at some point.]

    https://youtu.be/Zp_EhjlLGkQ
  475. At the very least, the indexes of books should be copyright-free, to give one a better idea of what is inside.

  476. @Beckow
    @Yahya


    ...My proposal: 1) intellect, 2) phenotype, 3) toughness, 4) refinement, 5) other.
     
    There are different ways to name the criteria, my personal preference is the overall genetic health that shows in one's physical appearance. Intellect is a tough one because it varies a lot generation to generation, and there are some kinds of 'intellect' that are not particularly viable biologically - an obvious example is a mental gift for teary self-pitying mythological verbose poems...some nations that have it are otherwise quite evolutionary useless.

    The other two criteria we need is level of genetic mix and size: inbred and small groups like the Balts rank low. That may be an issue with the Israelis too.


    genetic drift too took its toll on the Egyptian stock
     
    Do you think it is reversible? The modern Egyptians are not on the same level as the ancient ones. (This is true about many nations, including Greeks, etc...). Once the drift and mix happen, do you think the original sweet genetic spot is possible?

    I look at Germanic nations and there is a deep drop in their quality, it looks unstoppable. The fact that e.g. the Brits are now ruled by South Asians and they worship athletic prowess of non-Brits is an open admission of defeat. Add the cultural-gender confusion and the pathological propensity to lie and you get a dysfunctional future.

    Asians are interesting and often high quality, but I can't help but be alienated from their cultures - maybe my fault, but it feels like they are aliens out of space, a different world.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Wokechoke

    Haaland is worshipped in Manchester

  477. @Beckow
    @AP

    Romanians? Are you serious?


    the lands between Russia and Germany would qualify, overall
     
    Theoretically one could agree with that - correcting for the borders. But one of the basic things to evaluate are the results: if the people in that region are indeed that well endowed why have they created such sh..tty lives for themselves?

    Blaming outsiders is easy, but what is it in the genetic fond that makes these gifted nations so susceptible to being used by the others? Why is the comprador urge so strong? Why are they so little interested in the mutual cooperation?

    It is a big part of the genetic picture and the nations in Central East rank low. Some are better than others, but some are outright champions as the self-defeating moping sell-outs whose 'toughness' mostly benefits others - I am looking at the hapless, bleeding Ukies, the world current champions in sacrificing themselves for the others...

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    That area is a bloodland.

  478. @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Is it fair to say that a lot of Russians admire the West for its achievements (accomplishments), prosperity, fashion, and culture but not for its politics?

    Replies: @Dmitry

    West for its achievements

    It’s the same as maybe most countries of the world.

    Elite always import the luxury things which are result of the more developed country, although in the Russian empire restrict for consumption of elite mostly (in Soviet time they opened more access). E.g. English shoes and clothes, German concept or ideas, European buildings, French literature and painting, Italian music.

    But they don’t want to import more complicated parts of Enlightenment coding, because this would reduce their own power.

    So, as I posted to Yahya the video, there he says there is the story in 19th century, Russian ambassador probably with English clothes, trying to be English gentlemen, saying to the English people that he opposes democracy in Russia.

    When the society like Hong Kong, was doing kind of stable installation of the more modern software, it was a difficult national project and a complicated engineering.

    It’s not like the elite importing some Rolls Royce cars and drinking English tea.

    Governor Lord MacLehose’s reforming would require also a lot of intention and compromise of the Hong Kong Chinese elite to reduce their profit from the corruption.

  479. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    Romanians? Are you serious?


    the lands between Russia and Germany would qualify, overall
     
    Theoretically one could agree with that - correcting for the borders. But one of the basic things to evaluate are the results: if the people in that region are indeed that well endowed why have they created such sh..tty lives for themselves?

    Blaming outsiders is easy, but what is it in the genetic fond that makes these gifted nations so susceptible to being used by the others? Why is the comprador urge so strong? Why are they so little interested in the mutual cooperation?

    It is a big part of the genetic picture and the nations in Central East rank low. Some are better than others, but some are outright champions as the self-defeating moping sell-outs whose 'toughness' mostly benefits others - I am looking at the hapless, bleeding Ukies, the world current champions in sacrificing themselves for the others...

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    Romanians? Are you serious?

    I haven’t been there, but it seems to be doing well economically and parts are very pleasant. It is full of Roma though (which is not reflected on the map, which only tracks Muslims). Slovakia and Hungary also have a lot of them.

    “the lands between Russia and Germany would qualify, overall”

    Theoretically one could agree with that – correcting for the borders. But one of the basic things to evaluate are the results: if the people in that region are indeed that well endowed why have they created such sh..tty lives for themselves?

    Lives there are pretty good, if not for wars. Certainly good on a global level. The region has bad neighbors.

    Blaming outsiders is easy

    Indeed, the truth is easy.

    You should try it sometime.

    but what is it in the genetic fond that makes these gifted nations so susceptible to being used by the others

    A false question, because they are not. Unless you see mutual aid as being “used by others.”

    Ukrainians, Poles, Balts did not want to be part of Eurasia, alongside Russians, Tatars, Tadzhiks, Chechens, etc. Eurasia is not as nice as east-central Europe. So they have fought against the Russians (they are tough peoples). Often these struggles coincided with other’s plans. French, Germans, Swedes, Americans, etc. So they joined forces.

    Someone who is a natural servant can only see the world in terms of servitude, someone serving others, being “used” etc. It’s all they know, all they are. But it is not that way.

    I am looking at the hapless, bleeding Ukies, the world current champions in sacrificing themselves for the others

    They are the frontline against the Eurasian beast who wants to take their land. So they fight for it. A beautiful, smart, and tough people.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    I haven’t been there, but it seems to be doing well economically and parts are very pleasant. It is full of Roma though (which is not reflected on the map, which only tracks Muslims). Slovakia and Hungary also have a lot of them.

     

    Makes one wonder if non-Muslim South Asian immigrants to these places would be of better quality than the Roma are. Non-Muslim South Asian immigrants and their descendants generally tend to enrich the Anglosphere other than for their leftism, for instance, but would this also be the case if Eastern Europe opened its doors wide open to them? Or would it get the worse quality ones?
    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Romania... it seems to be doing well economically and parts are very pleasant.
     
    It is not, they lost a lot of people and have some foreign mfg, otherwise a wasteland. There are pleasant parts everywhere, it means very little.

    They are the frontline against the Eurasian beast...
     
    Keep your facile racism to yourself. It really is unbecoming and makes me wonder if you are just a bitter frustrated has-been Nazi odjebok. (Look up what odjebok means, it describes you well, it works in most Slavic languages...)

    Your bravado is very tiresome, like a moronic kid hiding behind tough talk. Grow up, you sound like an idiot who is way over his head. At least you used to make out-of-context factual points that were often stupid but at least connected to reality. Now you are losing the war and so can only yell retarded and often racist slogans.

    Replies: @AP

  480. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://youtu.be/HnjunQk9Ih4

    I don't have access to Newsnation, and I actually gave up on owning a TV a few years ago. So I have no way to listen to the full Grush interview.

    The news are now all around the web. I just read about it on a Russian Tg Channel.

    And yeah, as I wrote initially to Dima, it might all be a kind of contorted psyop. Why would they do that ? Perhaps they need a distraction from something big coming shortly.

    Or perhaps it's the real deal and the moment has just come for it to become commonly accepted knowledge.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry, @S

    Cuomo, really? What do the goofy science pundits say?

    I predict they will tell us aliens are pedophiles and that makes it OK and maybe even mandatory.

    That reminds me of one the many classic lines from the movie Aliens (1986),

    “It don’t matter when it’s Arcturian baby!” [male or female pxssy]. I used to think it was funny. Little did I know, transgender propaganda was everywhere–even the damn aliens are in on it 🙁

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Although he didn't talk to Cuomo, I don't really care who Grush spoke to. All I care is about his credentials and the fact that he is following the whistle-blower procedures and that his information is not officially dismissed.

    https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

    Again, that might be a psyop or just an extreme Newsnation advertising campaign (although it is unlikely).

    Whatever it is, it is now discussed all around the web. We'll see how it all plays out.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    You probably heard this before, but if not it is fascinating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbgEPNnB_A&ab_channel=Strange-Highways

    Skip first 59:00. Entire gist 59:00-1:17:00. It is hard to listen to John Lear's toy briefing and have no opinion. My opinion is John Lear is interpreting, in a twisted manner, the sparsest conceivable set of factual data + twisted previous interpretations he heard from his twisted friends.

    A lot of the subject matter goes like this. It came from the same institutions that gave us Mutual Assured Destruction.

    Replies: @QCIC

  481. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Cuomo, really? What do the goofy science pundits say?

    I predict they will tell us aliens are pedophiles and that makes it OK and maybe even mandatory.

    That reminds me of one the many classic lines from the movie Aliens (1986),

    "It don't matter when it's Arcturian baby!" [male or female pxssy]. I used to think it was funny. Little did I know, transgender propaganda was everywhere--even the damn aliens are in on it :(

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Although he didn’t talk to Cuomo, I don’t really care who Grush spoke to. All I care is about his credentials and the fact that he is following the whistle-blower procedures and that his information is not officially dismissed.

    https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

    Again, that might be a psyop or just an extreme Newsnation advertising campaign (although it is unlikely).

    Whatever it is, it is now discussed all around the web. We’ll see how it all plays out.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    It is fascinating. If we can learn about alien space drives I may have to find a new hobby.

    I wonder if anyone around here has investigated Vimanas and what do they think of this?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  482. @AP
    @QCIC


    Translation:

    “I don’t know. I hate Russians so they probably did it.”
     
    For someone incapable of understanding what he has read, that is an interpretation.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The second sentence is more of an extrapolation from your extensive earlier comments. I realize you don’t hate Russians per se, that was rhetorical, but it is not entirely inconsistent with the sum of your comments related to the SMO.

    I hope you are urging your Ukrainian relatives and friends still in the country to leave immediately.

  483. S says:
    @songbird
    @S

    I recall that study. Certainly interesting, one wonders what might be the chance of the future seeing something like that. Though, I think the regime has largely jumped ahead now and foreigners are increasingly being settled in rural places, and disease control seems easier now.

    IMO, one could view the long course of history as the war between city and country-dwellers. For example, the first towns in Ireland were arguably made by the Vikings. And probably this dynamic was replicated in many other places like Carthage, or among Greek colonists.

    Though, in the case of Rome, I wonder if some microtrend may be obscured.

    It is easy to consider the harems of the Chinese emperor and the Ottomans, snd say that there must have been a lasting outflow of their genes. But perhaps such a thing also existed outside of polygamy, for a select few, even if the aristocrats seemed not be be reproducing at certain times.

    Replies: @S

    Certainly interesting, one wonders what might be the chance of the future seeing something like that. Though, I think the regime has largely jumped ahead now and foreigners are increasingly being settled in rural places, and disease control seems easier now.

    Everyone must experience dieversity, no exceptions…well, not for the most part. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S

    Seeing it in the country is always very eye-opening.

    First or all, because it is very clear that it is not organic. Ask Africans if they like the city or country, and they will use very coded language to say they want to be where other Africans are (i.e., the city.). How would they even have heard of the place? It is completely obvious that an external decision made made to put them there, and not one based on any economic 'need.'

    But it also makes it clear that it is not self-limiting. There are no inner boundaries. No concern for cultural preservation, even of a homespun or rustic nature.

    And it is amazing how it destroys social trust. Like, should you donate to a food bank in the country if it is being utilized by invading Africans? Well, you don't even have to research it, you can see it in the pamphlets - they are already color-signaling.

    Replies: @S

  484. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Although he didn't talk to Cuomo, I don't really care who Grush spoke to. All I care is about his credentials and the fact that he is following the whistle-blower procedures and that his information is not officially dismissed.

    https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

    Again, that might be a psyop or just an extreme Newsnation advertising campaign (although it is unlikely).

    Whatever it is, it is now discussed all around the web. We'll see how it all plays out.

    Replies: @QCIC

    It is fascinating. If we can learn about alien space drives I may have to find a new hobby.

    I wonder if anyone around here has investigated Vimanas and what do they think of this?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Well, it sure is interesting from the possible physics pov.

    https://youtu.be/YebZyAzLZuc

    And it looks like I was not the only one seeing triangular shaped weird flying objects in the sky.

    https://youtu.be/SKsLK_Na7iw

    That is actually somewhat reassuring.

  485. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Cuomo, really? What do the goofy science pundits say?

    I predict they will tell us aliens are pedophiles and that makes it OK and maybe even mandatory.

    That reminds me of one the many classic lines from the movie Aliens (1986),

    "It don't matter when it's Arcturian baby!" [male or female pxssy]. I used to think it was funny. Little did I know, transgender propaganda was everywhere--even the damn aliens are in on it :(

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard

    You probably heard this before, but if not it is fascinating.

    Skip first 59:00. Entire gist 59:00-1:17:00. It is hard to listen to John Lear’s toy briefing and have no opinion. My opinion is John Lear is interpreting, in a twisted manner, the sparsest conceivable set of factual data + twisted previous interpretations he heard from his twisted friends.

    A lot of the subject matter goes like this. It came from the same institutions that gave us Mutual Assured Destruction.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks, I listened to part of this. I have heard the names Lazar and Bell, but never investigated. Lear has a great resume.

    I think Men in Black is a neat movie. It is well done as a tongue-in-cheek limited hangout.

    +++

    This high profile alien announcement soon after the similarly high profile AI warnings intrigues me in a way that will not help my sleep.

    Starting years ago, I have worked on a sci-fi story for myself which includes the following background: The one thing that all alien species agree upon is that advanced digital technology (say a smart phone) must be destroyed with extreme prejudice since there have been too many times that AI developed and wreaked galaxy-wide havoc. My notion is probably inspired by sentient or near-sentient nanites in several Sci-fi shows. This backstory is an important but small part of my plot but plays a key role in the sequel :) It also means that all advanced alien tech is analog, so yes, I'm a Luddite.

    Back here in the real world,

    Now that mankind is in the process of letting the AI genie out of the bottle, aliens are about to vaporize us. Not because they hate us, but just to eliminate the risk of our digital technologies. Since this annihilation is imminent the spooks now have no reason to keep it all secret any more :(

    Replies: @Dmitry, @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

  486. @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    None of you people have responded to the big picture explanation of the Ukraine crisis which recognizes the entire mess as an extension of the cold war largely driven by the USA.

    At least three steps by the West laid the groundwork for this conflict. This is as simple as I can make it:

    1) USA unilaterally dropping out of crucial nuclear arms control treaties which is obviously a direct threat to Russia. Note that the world is still in the MAD era where lines between conventional and nuclear conflict are very delicate.

    2) Progressive expansion of NATO directly adjacent to Russia. Since NATO is specifically a military alliance intended to fight and defeat Russia this expansion is obviously a direct threat to Russia.

    3) Support for a coup in Ukraine which installed an anti-Russia regime which immediately and intentionally caused a civil war against Russian speakers within 50 miles of the Russian border. This was obviously a direct threat to Russia.

    Russia did not "invade" Ukraine. She picked the time and place to respond to these stupidly provocative and extremely dangerous aggressions by the West.

    Note that this situation has only a limited connection with internal Russian politics or leadership.

    How do any of you respond?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    1) USA unilaterally dropping out of crucial nuclear arms control treaties which is obviously a direct threat to Russia. Note that the world is still in the MAD era where lines between conventional and nuclear conflict are very delicate.

    That was a mistake.

    2) Progressive expansion of NATO directly adjacent to Russia. Since NATO is specifically a military alliance intended to fight and defeat Russia this expansion is obviously a direct threat to Russia.

    Was the Anglo-Polish alliance a threat to Nazi Germany? Was the Franco-Czechoslovak alliance a threat to Nazi Germany? Was the Soviet-Czechoslovak alliance a threat to Nazi Germany?

    Was the Franco-Russian alliance a threat to Imperial Germany? Were Russia’s close ties to Serbia a threat to Austria-Hungary?

    3) Support for a coup in Ukraine which installed an anti-Russia regime which immediately and intentionally caused a civil war against Russian speakers within 50 miles of the Russian border. This was obviously a direct threat to Russia.

    It was a revolution, not a coup. It was a mass movement which resulted in the winners of a majority of the popular vote in the 2012 Ukrainian parliamentary election coming to power in Ukraine. And the subsequent “civil war” in Ukraine was Russia’s fault and would have quickly fizzled out without Russian weapons, intelligence, volunteers, et cetera.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    Great, now we are getting somewhere!

    1) Yes, dropping out of the ABM treaty was a huge mistake. This failure was outrageously compounded by placing anti-missile sites in Eastern Europe along with other degradations of the joint nuclear arms control protocols.

    Do you understand these events are directly related to the Ukraine conflict? They are actually more important, but not independent of the trouble in Ukraine.

    2) Your historical comparisons of border tensions can be tempting but also very misleading. In those past conflicts did the belligerents have nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles and satellites? Were the people coming out of a decades long Cold War where it was assumed that humanity could be largely destroyed in about an hour after one big mistake? Things are different now. The Russian military is not fighting based on your old historical models. The West is pursuing a military victory in Ukraine which is potentially a direct prelude to nuclear war. I assume the Western leaders think the risk of nuclear war is low, but what do you want Russia to do? The point of MAD is that at some point the other side strikes back with no notice. The purpose of this stalemate is to keep things calm to avoid moving close to that point of crisis. The Western actions in Ukraine are a huge failure in this regard. If humanity survives, this Western project in Ukraine will be considered one of the stupidest mistakes in history. The insane risk is too large for any perceived benefit to be meaningful.

    3) I understand that this point about the coup may not make sense if one does not fully integrate points 1 and 2 and understand that all three ideas are closely linked together in the MAD framework we still live in.

    I don't know if you understand or accept this perspective. I don't think any of this would have been remotely controversial in the year 2000, before the memories of the Cold War had faded. Unfortunately memories fade and younger generations grow up with little knowledge or understanding of what was a world shattering issue even within their lifetime.

    Thank you for your time.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  487. @AP
    @Yahya

    According to your criteria, the lands between Russia and Germany would qualify, overall. Their people are among the world’s most beautiful, they are tough (as we see), they are of high intellect by global standards, they are fairly refined. And they have kept their lands relatively free of outsiders.

    A helpful map:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Islam_in_Europe-2010.svg

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Eastern Europe (Intermarium) is admirable for its lack of Muslims, but also suffers from a lack of elite science production and R & D spending. Here is a map of the Nature Index for Europe, for instance:

    And here’s a map of the Nature Index for the world:

    The parts of the West that have the most problematic bad apples (Muslims and blacks/Africans) also have by far the most elite science production and R & D spending:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_research_and_development_spending

    (I don’t really consider non-Communist East Asia to be a part of the West here, though obviously if I did, then the calculation here would change somewhat.)

  488. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://youtu.be/HnjunQk9Ih4

    I don't have access to Newsnation, and I actually gave up on owning a TV a few years ago. So I have no way to listen to the full Grush interview.

    The news are now all around the web. I just read about it on a Russian Tg Channel.

    And yeah, as I wrote initially to Dima, it might all be a kind of contorted psyop. Why would they do that ? Perhaps they need a distraction from something big coming shortly.

    Or perhaps it's the real deal and the moment has just come for it to become commonly accepted knowledge.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry, @S

    Or another hypothesis which is popular for the netizens, is slow normalization of themes over a century to prevent destabilization of too much modern knowledge, mainly promoting the themes as form of comedy.

    So, we like to watch for comedy discussions of Joe Rogan and “Ancient Aliens”. But nowadays, also a successful professor in a university, who is an Ancient Astronaut theorist.

    I guess you can interpret possibly in different ways, like as an eccentric person who is addict of “Ancient Aliens”, sample of decline of logic and academic levels of our time, or a next stage of normalization when professors are speaking like Joe Rogan.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    I agree that it could be described on so many different levels, sociological, epistemological, semantic etc. But the most important thing about it is first and foremost whether a given phenomenon does appear or not in the realm of the human senses, perceptible to humans either naturally or through the medium of our technology (which Florensky in his time called an extension of our organs - "органопроекция"). Once we are massively convinced that something is really "out there" as a phenomenon, we can look for the most probable explanations. And yes, it would be arrogant for us to believe that what we see today being described as UFOs and UAPs are something that only appeared in the last few decades. Anyone who read the Bible and the apocryphal Book of Enoch would know that sacred mythology describes very peculiar phenomena in the sky, going back millennia.

    And this is not just Abrahamic mythology, there are similar things described in other traditions as well. QCIC has mentioned Vimanas, but even closer to our times, in the early twentieth century, the great Buddhist Ch'an master Xu Yun mentions similar sights during his extensive pilgrimages. One of the holly mountains of China was known for "flying orbs of light" appearing and disappearing in its vicinity. I could look the book for the exact location of the place, but whatever it is, Xu Yun wrote in his biography that he indeed witnessed this kinds of appearances. But then he also believed in the litteral existence of the Buddhas and Boddhisattvas and had different visions and what we would call today paranormal experiences, so perhaps we should believe this enligtened monk (who lived to the venerable age of 119 years old) less than we believe the (utterly corrupt) Pentagon. Please note that I have not assigned an extraterrestrial origin to these phenomena. I have no idea what they are or where they come from and I make no assumptions.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Another Polish Perspective

  489. @AP
    @Beckow


    Romanians? Are you serious?
     
    I haven't been there, but it seems to be doing well economically and parts are very pleasant. It is full of Roma though (which is not reflected on the map, which only tracks Muslims). Slovakia and Hungary also have a lot of them.

    "the lands between Russia and Germany would qualify, overall"

    Theoretically one could agree with that – correcting for the borders. But one of the basic things to evaluate are the results: if the people in that region are indeed that well endowed why have they created such sh..tty lives for themselves?
     
    Lives there are pretty good, if not for wars. Certainly good on a global level. The region has bad neighbors.

    Blaming outsiders is easy

     

    Indeed, the truth is easy.

    You should try it sometime.

    but what is it in the genetic fond that makes these gifted nations so susceptible to being used by the others
     
    A false question, because they are not. Unless you see mutual aid as being "used by others."

    Ukrainians, Poles, Balts did not want to be part of Eurasia, alongside Russians, Tatars, Tadzhiks, Chechens, etc. Eurasia is not as nice as east-central Europe. So they have fought against the Russians (they are tough peoples). Often these struggles coincided with other's plans. French, Germans, Swedes, Americans, etc. So they joined forces.

    Someone who is a natural servant can only see the world in terms of servitude, someone serving others, being "used" etc. It's all they know, all they are. But it is not that way.

    I am looking at the hapless, bleeding Ukies, the world current champions in sacrificing themselves for the others
     
    They are the frontline against the Eurasian beast who wants to take their land. So they fight for it. A beautiful, smart, and tough people.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    I haven’t been there, but it seems to be doing well economically and parts are very pleasant. It is full of Roma though (which is not reflected on the map, which only tracks Muslims). Slovakia and Hungary also have a lot of them.

    Makes one wonder if non-Muslim South Asian immigrants to these places would be of better quality than the Roma are. Non-Muslim South Asian immigrants and their descendants generally tend to enrich the Anglosphere other than for their leftism, for instance, but would this also be the case if Eastern Europe opened its doors wide open to them? Or would it get the worse quality ones?

  490. @Mikel
    @AP

    Well, the word that best describes for me what I've seen the Khoisan do when they hunt is running. Long distance running, to be precise. But if you prefer to call it a brisk walk I won't start an argument over that. It's OK.

    Not that one should necessarily emulate hunter-gatherers for anything in particular if there's not enough evidence that it's good for us personally but the fact that all hunter-gatherers did have to do what I call running in the wild proves by itself what our bodies have been designed to do for many millennia. Of course they would typically be unable to outrun their prey but you can't possibly be successful at hunting with spears and arrows if you're not ready to run and even do the occasional sprint to get close enough to your target.


    Chronic runners often develop knee and other problems. Walkers don’t.
     
    This is probably true, although many of those problems stem from improper gear, overexercising or excessive weight. But walking is safer than running if you want to avoid injury. And static bicycle or treadmills are even safer. They're just a totally different thing though. I can get exactly the same heart rate and oxygen consumption on a treadmill as through uphill running but one bores me to death while the other revitalizes me.

    Moreover, I've never really tried Ivashka's type of trail running through forests and along rivers but the uphill running that I do is definitely good for my joints, as long as I use light, anatomical shoes. I believe I've even cured knee injuries by running slowly uphill for several days. This kind of exercise against gravity imposes a regular, moderate cadence, whether you like it or not, and the movements strengthen all your joints, making them work in unison. Somewhat similar to biking, which is also known to be joint-friendly. Running downhill is a totally different type of movement, much harder on your joints, so I usually walk or jog slowly down. This is all just my experience though. I can't back it up with any literature.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  491. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    It is fascinating. If we can learn about alien space drives I may have to find a new hobby.

    I wonder if anyone around here has investigated Vimanas and what do they think of this?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Well, it sure is interesting from the possible physics pov.

    And it looks like I was not the only one seeing triangular shaped weird flying objects in the sky.

    That is actually somewhat reassuring.

  492. @Mr. Hack
    @Yahya


    Oh come on Mr. Hack, is it not obvious I was lampooning the classical music snobs? I’m honestly offended that you thought I was being serious.
     
    Actually I did think that you were presenting the "classical snob" point of view. I do recall that in the not-too-distant past, we were discussing music from the Middle East, and I had presented some musicians that play music from their respective countries in a more upbeat and modern fashion. As I recall, you basically recoiled in disgust, indicating that your aesthetics seldom stray from the original well proven source of their inspiration. How was I to know that you do sometimes appreciate the more "catchy" modern tunes? :-)

    But I will not apologize for my socio-political elitism. It is the rational stance in my opinion.
     
    You shouldn't have to, and neither have I ever taken you to task for these views.

    Rock music is the ultimate expression of Western post-modern degeneracy.
     
    A rather curt, dismissive and unsatisfactory response to make. "Rock music" holds a very wide assemblage of styles, rhythms and sources that it relies upon within its umbrella. Perhaps, you've never been exposed to very much of it. You found three "catchy" tunes within my suggested album that you enjoyed. I'm sure that there are more out there too!

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I think Yahya doesn’t know also other people here like AP, classical music was hybrid of art and logic system.

    After results were derived, there wasn’t space for creativity, without repeating old results, or going to technical new variations.

    20th century classical music was becoming very technical, and it’s not popular with so many people, who are not music experts. For modern music, the technical training to be able to compose, isn’t so different to working as a electrical engineers.

    But the products of the 20th century classical music tradition, mainly popular with people who had the same training, while the more simple music in the 19th century was popular with wider circles.

    In the USSR, there was different ways trying to continue the European tradition using the same logic, while the authorities in dictatorship still want this to be accessible for the wider circles. E.g. Prokofiev sometimes even re-writing late 18th century music, but this is not popular now.

    But in American capitalism, consumers are choosing, so they go to “farm on a virgin soil”, and the popular market goes to basis of military music and African focus on the rhythm complexity. This is how the new types of 20th century music, like rock music, then the talented people are going to work in this area.

  493. @S
    @songbird


    Certainly interesting, one wonders what might be the chance of the future seeing something like that. Though, I think the regime has largely jumped ahead now and foreigners are increasingly being settled in rural places, and disease control seems easier now.
     
    Everyone must experience dieversity, no exceptions...well, not for the most part. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

    Seeing it in the country is always very eye-opening.

    First or all, because it is very clear that it is not organic. Ask Africans if they like the city or country, and they will use very coded language to say they want to be where other Africans are (i.e., the city.). How would they even have heard of the place? It is completely obvious that an external decision made made to put them there, and not one based on any economic ‘need.’

    But it also makes it clear that it is not self-limiting. There are no inner boundaries. No concern for cultural preservation, even of a homespun or rustic nature.

    And it is amazing how it destroys social trust. Like, should you donate to a food bank in the country if it is being utilized by invading Africans? Well, you don’t even have to research it, you can see it in the pamphlets – they are already color-signaling.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    Ask Africans if they like the city or country, and they will use very coded language to say they want to be where other Africans are (i.e., the city.). How would they even have heard of the place? It is completely obvious that an external decision made made to put them there, and not one based on any economic ‘need.’
     
    They are being placed where they are primarily as breeding stock. It's as simple (and as crude) as that. They are wanting to create the New Man with the desired characteristics of being 'more mixed', 'more docile', and, 'which can submit to a master', as the London Times once described him.

    The historic ties between Anglosphere 'progressivism' and slavery, both chattel and wage, are deeply rooted. Should they ultimately succeed with the creation of their world state, the United States of the World, it will be a slavery based world order, just as the United States as a microcosm is today with it's wage slavery (ie so called 'cheap labor') system.
  494. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    You probably heard this before, but if not it is fascinating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbgEPNnB_A&ab_channel=Strange-Highways

    Skip first 59:00. Entire gist 59:00-1:17:00. It is hard to listen to John Lear's toy briefing and have no opinion. My opinion is John Lear is interpreting, in a twisted manner, the sparsest conceivable set of factual data + twisted previous interpretations he heard from his twisted friends.

    A lot of the subject matter goes like this. It came from the same institutions that gave us Mutual Assured Destruction.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Thanks, I listened to part of this. I have heard the names Lazar and Bell, but never investigated. Lear has a great resume.

    I think Men in Black is a neat movie. It is well done as a tongue-in-cheek limited hangout.

    +++

    This high profile alien announcement soon after the similarly high profile AI warnings intrigues me in a way that will not help my sleep.

    Starting years ago, I have worked on a sci-fi story for myself which includes the following background: The one thing that all alien species agree upon is that advanced digital technology (say a smart phone) must be destroyed with extreme prejudice since there have been too many times that AI developed and wreaked galaxy-wide havoc. My notion is probably inspired by sentient or near-sentient nanites in several Sci-fi shows. This backstory is an important but small part of my plot but plays a key role in the sequel 🙂 It also means that all advanced alien tech is analog, so yes, I’m a Luddite.

    Back here in the real world,

    Now that mankind is in the process of letting the AI genie out of the bottle, aliens are about to vaporize us. Not because they hate us, but just to eliminate the risk of our digital technologies. Since this annihilation is imminent the spooks now have no reason to keep it all secret any more 🙁

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    I guess it was maybe a theme in 1970s to connect the topics. You can see in 1970s American literature Probably there was similar connections of this theme and about machine learning, robotics etc in the 1970s Soviet literature, which has a lot of famous writers but unfortunately I never read those kind of text or Soviet literature. I'm sure Bashibuzuk has read many stories about this theme in the famous Soviet literature, as he was posting about this last month.

    , @QCIC
    @QCIC

    Thanks, Chains of the Sea sounds interesting. I agree, these ideas have been connected as long as computers have been conceived. Sometimes they are blended. I think in the Jack Williamson story the Humanoids the AI and the aliens are basically the same entity, though both created by man.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC


    Lear has a great resume.
     
    He left out the part where Lear is the most prolific poster in the history of the Above Top Secret . com web site.

    https://www.abovetopsecret.com/

    A lot of sizzle. No documentation ever. Give no credence to anybody with the "if you knew what we know" schtick!
  495. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Or another hypothesis which is popular for the netizens, is slow normalization of themes over a century to prevent destabilization of too much modern knowledge, mainly promoting the themes as form of comedy.

    So, we like to watch for comedy discussions of Joe Rogan and "Ancient Aliens". But nowadays, also a successful professor in a university, who is an Ancient Astronaut theorist.

    I guess you can interpret possibly in different ways, like as an eccentric person who is addict of "Ancient Aliens", sample of decline of logic and academic levels of our time, or a next stage of normalization when professors are speaking like Joe Rogan.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I agree that it could be described on so many different levels, sociological, epistemological, semantic etc. But the most important thing about it is first and foremost whether a given phenomenon does appear or not in the realm of the human senses, perceptible to humans either naturally or through the medium of our technology (which Florensky in his time called an extension of our organs – “органопроекция”). Once we are massively convinced that something is really “out there” as a phenomenon, we can look for the most probable explanations. And yes, it would be arrogant for us to believe that what we see today being described as UFOs and UAPs are something that only appeared in the last few decades. Anyone who read the Bible and the apocryphal Book of Enoch would know that sacred mythology describes very peculiar phenomena in the sky, going back millennia.

    And this is not just Abrahamic mythology, there are similar things described in other traditions as well. QCIC has mentioned Vimanas, but even closer to our times, in the early twentieth century, the great Buddhist Ch’an master Xu Yun mentions similar sights during his extensive pilgrimages. One of the holly mountains of China was known for “flying orbs of light” appearing and disappearing in its vicinity. I could look the book for the exact location of the place, but whatever it is, Xu Yun wrote in his biography that he indeed witnessed this kinds of appearances. But then he also believed in the litteral existence of the Buddhas and Boddhisattvas and had different visions and what we would call today paranormal experiences, so perhaps we should believe this enligtened monk (who lived to the venerable age of 119 years old) less than we believe the (utterly corrupt) Pentagon. Please note that I have not assigned an extraterrestrial origin to these phenomena. I have no idea what they are or where they come from and I make no assumptions.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    It was a popular theme in the science fiction culture already maybe for 60 or more years now. I don't know so much about the science fiction history so there are probably many examples like this.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcmJFeKJNcg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @Ivashka the fool

    Try to be bold Ivashka: UFOs could be angels of God, yes, that God from the Old Testament. Yes, why not?
    That would explain why the discourse about UFOs is so guarded... because we do not walk in the footsteps of Abraham or Noah anymore. We are not on good terms with UFOs. Our civilization with its glorification of criminals in the movies on one side, and technical wizardry on other side, and much of useless bloodshed around, seems to have been built much more upon the "mistakes of Cain" as the Bible calls them.

    Also, people now would have trouble to accept the idea of aliens much more advanced than we are - so much that they could hang up in the skies basically invisible to us, making sure that we stay on our "prison planet". Bascially, the world where Romulan Empire rulez, beyond our eyesight ;)

    But it is also interesting that these ideas return again and again: few days ago I saw "Guardians of the Galaxy 3", and it is basically a variation on "The island of Dr Moreau" of HG Wells, and as we know Dr Moreau with his "Law" for his creatures in some ways resembled the Biblical God of Old Testament.
    I also took notice that one of Guardians bears the name Gamora, which is obviously a variation on "Gomorra" ;)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  496. @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks, I listened to part of this. I have heard the names Lazar and Bell, but never investigated. Lear has a great resume.

    I think Men in Black is a neat movie. It is well done as a tongue-in-cheek limited hangout.

    +++

    This high profile alien announcement soon after the similarly high profile AI warnings intrigues me in a way that will not help my sleep.

    Starting years ago, I have worked on a sci-fi story for myself which includes the following background: The one thing that all alien species agree upon is that advanced digital technology (say a smart phone) must be destroyed with extreme prejudice since there have been too many times that AI developed and wreaked galaxy-wide havoc. My notion is probably inspired by sentient or near-sentient nanites in several Sci-fi shows. This backstory is an important but small part of my plot but plays a key role in the sequel :) It also means that all advanced alien tech is analog, so yes, I'm a Luddite.

    Back here in the real world,

    Now that mankind is in the process of letting the AI genie out of the bottle, aliens are about to vaporize us. Not because they hate us, but just to eliminate the risk of our digital technologies. Since this annihilation is imminent the spooks now have no reason to keep it all secret any more :(

    Replies: @Dmitry, @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I guess it was maybe a theme in 1970s to connect the topics. You can see in 1970s American literature Probably there was similar connections of this theme and about machine learning, robotics etc in the 1970s Soviet literature, which has a lot of famous writers but unfortunately I never read those kind of text or Soviet literature. I’m sure Bashibuzuk has read many stories about this theme in the famous Soviet literature, as he was posting about this last month.

  497. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://youtu.be/HnjunQk9Ih4

    I don't have access to Newsnation, and I actually gave up on owning a TV a few years ago. So I have no way to listen to the full Grush interview.

    The news are now all around the web. I just read about it on a Russian Tg Channel.

    And yeah, as I wrote initially to Dima, it might all be a kind of contorted psyop. Why would they do that ? Perhaps they need a distraction from something big coming shortly.

    Or perhaps it's the real deal and the moment has just come for it to become commonly accepted knowledge.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry, @S

    And yeah, as I wrote initially to Dima, it might all be a kind of contorted psyop. Why would they do that ?

    Wholly separate from whether ET’s exist or not (I think they likely do, though am less certain how much actual ‘Earth contact’ has happened, if any, and am quite leery of the present context of the claims of late) I could see this being used to enhance the power of the powers that be.

    At a certain point, via the corporate mass media, they could have ‘our new found (ET) friends’ declare their public support for the world state, ie the ‘United States of the World’. This would perhaps be useful to lock in support from that sizeable minority of true believers in the ‘UFO community.’

    The modern day progs, having long ago adopted the ends justify the means to achieve objectives and to take what they want, have proven themselves quite capable of doing whatever it takes. Lying and cheating is nothing to them, ie see the Kavanaugh hearings for instance.

    Whatever it is people are actually seeing in regards to the ‘ET sightings’, they (whatever they are) may not be as benign as people would prefer. Some have made what they believe to be an occult connection with certain of today’s events, ie the push for the world state and the ET phenomena, being featured, amongst other things. [The potential occult aspect all by itself is probably worthy of a discussion at some point.]

  498. @Mr. XYZ
    @QCIC


    1) USA unilaterally dropping out of crucial nuclear arms control treaties which is obviously a direct threat to Russia. Note that the world is still in the MAD era where lines between conventional and nuclear conflict are very delicate.

     

    That was a mistake.

    2) Progressive expansion of NATO directly adjacent to Russia. Since NATO is specifically a military alliance intended to fight and defeat Russia this expansion is obviously a direct threat to Russia.
     
    Was the Anglo-Polish alliance a threat to Nazi Germany? Was the Franco-Czechoslovak alliance a threat to Nazi Germany? Was the Soviet-Czechoslovak alliance a threat to Nazi Germany?

    Was the Franco-Russian alliance a threat to Imperial Germany? Were Russia's close ties to Serbia a threat to Austria-Hungary?

    3) Support for a coup in Ukraine which installed an anti-Russia regime which immediately and intentionally caused a civil war against Russian speakers within 50 miles of the Russian border. This was obviously a direct threat to Russia.
     
    It was a revolution, not a coup. It was a mass movement which resulted in the winners of a majority of the popular vote in the 2012 Ukrainian parliamentary election coming to power in Ukraine. And the subsequent "civil war" in Ukraine was Russia's fault and would have quickly fizzled out without Russian weapons, intelligence, volunteers, et cetera.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Great, now we are getting somewhere!

    1) Yes, dropping out of the ABM treaty was a huge mistake. This failure was outrageously compounded by placing anti-missile sites in Eastern Europe along with other degradations of the joint nuclear arms control protocols.

    Do you understand these events are directly related to the Ukraine conflict? They are actually more important, but not independent of the trouble in Ukraine.

    2) Your historical comparisons of border tensions can be tempting but also very misleading. In those past conflicts did the belligerents have nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles and satellites? Were the people coming out of a decades long Cold War where it was assumed that humanity could be largely destroyed in about an hour after one big mistake? Things are different now. The Russian military is not fighting based on your old historical models. The West is pursuing a military victory in Ukraine which is potentially a direct prelude to nuclear war. I assume the Western leaders think the risk of nuclear war is low, but what do you want Russia to do? The point of MAD is that at some point the other side strikes back with no notice. The purpose of this stalemate is to keep things calm to avoid moving close to that point of crisis. The Western actions in Ukraine are a huge failure in this regard. If humanity survives, this Western project in Ukraine will be considered one of the stupidest mistakes in history. The insane risk is too large for any perceived benefit to be meaningful.

    3) I understand that this point about the coup may not make sense if one does not fully integrate points 1 and 2 and understand that all three ideas are closely linked together in the MAD framework we still live in.

    I don’t know if you understand or accept this perspective. I don’t think any of this would have been remotely controversial in the year 2000, before the memories of the Cold War had faded. Unfortunately memories fade and younger generations grow up with little knowledge or understanding of what was a world shattering issue even within their lifetime.

    Thank you for your time.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @QCIC

    1) Yes, placing anti-missile sites in Eastern Europe was a mistake, at least before 2014.

    2) Nuclear weapons and the like were bound to become a reality eventually, and actually, I'd argue that the situation was *in a way* even more dangerous in the pre-nuclear age since countries had no ultimate deterrent in the form of nukes to protect them in the event of a foreign conquest back then. A Germany that was encircled by the Franco-Russians didn't have the luxury of nukes to protect it in a worst-case scenario, after all.

    Replies: @QCIC

  499. @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks, I listened to part of this. I have heard the names Lazar and Bell, but never investigated. Lear has a great resume.

    I think Men in Black is a neat movie. It is well done as a tongue-in-cheek limited hangout.

    +++

    This high profile alien announcement soon after the similarly high profile AI warnings intrigues me in a way that will not help my sleep.

    Starting years ago, I have worked on a sci-fi story for myself which includes the following background: The one thing that all alien species agree upon is that advanced digital technology (say a smart phone) must be destroyed with extreme prejudice since there have been too many times that AI developed and wreaked galaxy-wide havoc. My notion is probably inspired by sentient or near-sentient nanites in several Sci-fi shows. This backstory is an important but small part of my plot but plays a key role in the sequel :) It also means that all advanced alien tech is analog, so yes, I'm a Luddite.

    Back here in the real world,

    Now that mankind is in the process of letting the AI genie out of the bottle, aliens are about to vaporize us. Not because they hate us, but just to eliminate the risk of our digital technologies. Since this annihilation is imminent the spooks now have no reason to keep it all secret any more :(

    Replies: @Dmitry, @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks, Chains of the Sea sounds interesting. I agree, these ideas have been connected as long as computers have been conceived. Sometimes they are blended. I think in the Jack Williamson story the Humanoids the AI and the aliens are basically the same entity, though both created by man.

  500. @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    Great, now we are getting somewhere!

    1) Yes, dropping out of the ABM treaty was a huge mistake. This failure was outrageously compounded by placing anti-missile sites in Eastern Europe along with other degradations of the joint nuclear arms control protocols.

    Do you understand these events are directly related to the Ukraine conflict? They are actually more important, but not independent of the trouble in Ukraine.

    2) Your historical comparisons of border tensions can be tempting but also very misleading. In those past conflicts did the belligerents have nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles and satellites? Were the people coming out of a decades long Cold War where it was assumed that humanity could be largely destroyed in about an hour after one big mistake? Things are different now. The Russian military is not fighting based on your old historical models. The West is pursuing a military victory in Ukraine which is potentially a direct prelude to nuclear war. I assume the Western leaders think the risk of nuclear war is low, but what do you want Russia to do? The point of MAD is that at some point the other side strikes back with no notice. The purpose of this stalemate is to keep things calm to avoid moving close to that point of crisis. The Western actions in Ukraine are a huge failure in this regard. If humanity survives, this Western project in Ukraine will be considered one of the stupidest mistakes in history. The insane risk is too large for any perceived benefit to be meaningful.

    3) I understand that this point about the coup may not make sense if one does not fully integrate points 1 and 2 and understand that all three ideas are closely linked together in the MAD framework we still live in.

    I don't know if you understand or accept this perspective. I don't think any of this would have been remotely controversial in the year 2000, before the memories of the Cold War had faded. Unfortunately memories fade and younger generations grow up with little knowledge or understanding of what was a world shattering issue even within their lifetime.

    Thank you for your time.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    1) Yes, placing anti-missile sites in Eastern Europe was a mistake, at least before 2014.

    2) Nuclear weapons and the like were bound to become a reality eventually, and actually, I’d argue that the situation was *in a way* even more dangerous in the pre-nuclear age since countries had no ultimate deterrent in the form of nukes to protect them in the event of a foreign conquest back then. A Germany that was encircled by the Franco-Russians didn’t have the luxury of nukes to protect it in a worst-case scenario, after all.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    The missile sites in Eastern Europe were planned before 2014 and commissioned after. The few things I listed are part of a larger set of aggressive actions made by the West against Russia. Overall, the West acted as if Russia did not have a powerful nuclear arsenal. The Russians announced the six advanced new weapons in 2019, I guess the West didn't get the message. These weapons were apparently developed as a reaction to Western moves, not a preemption.

    Everything the West has done in Ukraine since 2014 has effectively ratcheted up nuclear tensions.

    I don't know why anyone would defend this. Now that it has been pointed out, why don't you reconsider?

    Since the West has ignored all reason, the Russian military may start thinking preemptively. A sensible person should be thinking, OMFG what have we done? How can WE turn down the heat? Since the West created this mess, we have to clean it up.

    Call your Congress critter and demand they stop this madness.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  501. S says:
    @songbird
    @S

    Seeing it in the country is always very eye-opening.

    First or all, because it is very clear that it is not organic. Ask Africans if they like the city or country, and they will use very coded language to say they want to be where other Africans are (i.e., the city.). How would they even have heard of the place? It is completely obvious that an external decision made made to put them there, and not one based on any economic 'need.'

    But it also makes it clear that it is not self-limiting. There are no inner boundaries. No concern for cultural preservation, even of a homespun or rustic nature.

    And it is amazing how it destroys social trust. Like, should you donate to a food bank in the country if it is being utilized by invading Africans? Well, you don't even have to research it, you can see it in the pamphlets - they are already color-signaling.

    Replies: @S

    Ask Africans if they like the city or country, and they will use very coded language to say they want to be where other Africans are (i.e., the city.). How would they even have heard of the place? It is completely obvious that an external decision made made to put them there, and not one based on any economic ‘need.’

    They are being placed where they are primarily as breeding stock. It’s as simple (and as crude) as that. They are wanting to create the New Man with the desired characteristics of being ‘more mixed’, ‘more docile’, and, ‘which can submit to a master’, as the London Times once described him.

    The historic ties between Anglosphere ‘progressivism’ and slavery, both chattel and wage, are deeply rooted. Should they ultimately succeed with the creation of their world state, the United States of the World, it will be a slavery based world order, just as the United States as a microcosm is today with it’s wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) system.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Thanks: songbird
  502. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    True fact: if you approach UFO’s with an attitude of dogmatic materialism you are going nowhere.

    Also a true fact: the government denied UFO’s even existed 1947-2017. Now they say they lied for 70 years but now they are speaking true. Ha!
     
    Can't disagree with you here. It makes sense.

    Thanks.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Kean walking backwards now.

    [MORE]

    Must be tough to have to go on camera crapping on your source two days after publishing.

  503. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    I agree that it could be described on so many different levels, sociological, epistemological, semantic etc. But the most important thing about it is first and foremost whether a given phenomenon does appear or not in the realm of the human senses, perceptible to humans either naturally or through the medium of our technology (which Florensky in his time called an extension of our organs - "органопроекция"). Once we are massively convinced that something is really "out there" as a phenomenon, we can look for the most probable explanations. And yes, it would be arrogant for us to believe that what we see today being described as UFOs and UAPs are something that only appeared in the last few decades. Anyone who read the Bible and the apocryphal Book of Enoch would know that sacred mythology describes very peculiar phenomena in the sky, going back millennia.

    And this is not just Abrahamic mythology, there are similar things described in other traditions as well. QCIC has mentioned Vimanas, but even closer to our times, in the early twentieth century, the great Buddhist Ch'an master Xu Yun mentions similar sights during his extensive pilgrimages. One of the holly mountains of China was known for "flying orbs of light" appearing and disappearing in its vicinity. I could look the book for the exact location of the place, but whatever it is, Xu Yun wrote in his biography that he indeed witnessed this kinds of appearances. But then he also believed in the litteral existence of the Buddhas and Boddhisattvas and had different visions and what we would call today paranormal experiences, so perhaps we should believe this enligtened monk (who lived to the venerable age of 119 years old) less than we believe the (utterly corrupt) Pentagon. Please note that I have not assigned an extraterrestrial origin to these phenomena. I have no idea what they are or where they come from and I make no assumptions.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Another Polish Perspective

    It was a popular theme in the science fiction culture already maybe for 60 or more years now. I don’t know so much about the science fiction history so there are probably many examples like this.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    What does it mean for you Dima?

    Replies: @Dmitry

  504. @Yahya
    @Sher Singh


    British upper classes don’t carry weapons
     
    They do actually.

    https://youtu.be/IuoNf31Vybg

    But you make a good point - British upper class males are cucked nowadays.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Yea & I don’t say it out of a sense or superiority or malignment.
    I WANT everyone to carry weapons.

    Carrying weapons reduces instances of homosexuality & cuck behavior.
    Raises T – looks good too.

  505. @Wokechoke
    @Sher Singh

    You’ve obviously never been in the countryside.

    The permanent crack of shotguns is a characteristic soundtrack.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    No shotguns at the dinner table or at the church pew.
    Or at the shopping mall, inside the cab, visiting the Queen (sic) at parliament.

    God is everywhere, so why should not weapons be?
    Answer this.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  506. @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    Now imagine that an evil Philospher King read Plato’s Republic text that you just quoted above, and decided to do exactly the opposite to downgrade a human population to the lowest level possible.
     
    I'll take a stab at that.

    While in the Anglosphere, it certainly wasn't all, or, even a majority of the Anglo-Saxon elites and their hangers on, it was a powerful minority of them which were involved in slavery and it's trade which tended to ultimately accrue the bulk of the power for themselves, and dominate things.

    When slavery and it's trade was monetized (as opposed to having been actually abolished) with the early 19th century introduction of wage slavery, ie specifically the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system, a veritable revolution in the slavery industry had taken place.

    Without the benefit in reality of either a much needed change of heart, nor a change in their ways, the wealth and power of the historic slavers, ie the former slave owners/now wage slave ('cheap labor'/'immigrant') exploiters, the former slave dealers/now 'labor contractors', and the same financiers as before (who build and insure even more ships and modes of transport of all kinds now for the wage slaves, ie so called 'cheap labor'/'immigrants'), grew exponentially.

    All former negatives that slave owner, slave dealer, and slave trade financiers, had formerly had to deal with with within the chattel slave system, ie old age care for the slaves, hospitalization, clothing them, etc, had now been safely outsourced (ie dumped upon) the rubes, also known as the non-exploiting general public, the vast majority of people, while still keeping the value of the systematically stolen labor for their slaving selves, via grossly underpaying people who had often been first reduced by their very exploiters to an unnaturally low state of being.

    Not only that, the former chattel slavers with the new wage slave (cheap labor) system got to play act that they were now the 'good guys', at their own people's (not to mention others) great expense, when in reality they were (and are) every bit as rotten as before, if not more so.

    The renowned US based economist Henry Carey, in his 1853 book The Slave Trade linked below, concluded in his real time analysis of comparing chattel and wage slavery, that the then new wage slavery (ie so called 'cheap labor') system of the Anglosphere was simply slavery by another name, and that this system tended towards making slaves of everyone.

    https://archive.org/details/slavetrade00caregoog/page/n6/mode/1up



    So, within the Anglosphere, historically powerful elements of the Anglo-Saxon elites and hangers on are in effect unreformed slavers with their wage slavery (ie so called 'cheap labor') system, and it doesn't reflect particularly well on the broader Anglo-Saxon public that these slavery corrupted elites and hangers on, whom cared nothing about their own, were not overthrown.

    Within the same Anglosphere, powerful elements of the Jewish elites and hangers on have also been involved historically in chattel, and then later wage slavery (cheap labor) exploitation, neither good for their own (or others) either.

    In what political system would it be done the easiest way according to your understanding?
     
    Historically slavery corrupted elites and hangers on could misuse a 'democratic republic' for such a purpose. The Anglosphere ideology of 'progressive Multi-Culturalism', which has wage slavery (ie the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system) as it's economic and political basis, would fit perfectly.

    The results of such a system, as the London Times gently put it in the mid-19th century primordial days of the Multi-Cult, would be an overall population which is 'more mixed', 'more docile', and, 'which can submit to a master', presumably this being the slaver's idea of the ideal characteristics of the new man and woman which, unless something intervenes, are to populate the Earth.

    Also, if a good Philospher King decided to follow Plato’s advice in its detail, what do you think the resulting political system would be called by today’s postmodern masses?
     
    Any attempt to improve upon, or, even simply maintain, the good health, intelligence, and positive characteristics of a people in a racial or ethnic sense, irrespective of the actual political system, a republic, constitutional monarchy, or otherwise, would be quickly labeled 'Fascist!TM', and, or, 'Nazi!'TM, not to mention the standard all purpose, 'Racist!'TM. :-)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Keypusher

    Sorry, this is absolute raving nonsense. Carey was comparing wage workers to slaves! What was actually happening was, for the first time in history, the common laborer was gaining the ability to earn a secure living from his labor.

    Carey, writing in 1853, can be excused for not seeing what was (slowly and painfully) happening. You have no excuse.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Keypusher

    It sounded to me like an economic approach to arguing for something like the ethnopluralism concept that the French Nouvelle Droite have formulated:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnopluralism

  507. Sher Singh says:
    @Mikel
    @Sher Singh


    It was a joke about wearing Dastar instead of topi.
     
    So have Sikh headwear companies started publishing pride ads or are we not there yet?

    Honest question. The North Face used to be a serious technical wear company. It goes in the name. You would buy their stuff for Himalaya expeditions and such. Now they're just another woke brand. The other day they released an ad with a drag queen fooling around in the mountains. It's insane. There's no relationship between drag queens and mountains whatsoever. You don't wear wigs, gowns, tons of makeup and high heels in the outdoors. So turban lgbt ads would not surprise me much anymore.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    There aren’t really headwear companies – you just buy cloth yourself & tie it.
    Mostly small shops or religious stores that also sell weapons, cds, books etc.
    Or you go to a woman’s suit store & they have the cloth too.

    Full Voile, F74, Rubia etc.
    Honestly, wonder how Kevlar or Silk would perform ballistically.

    Some larger store in London, UK or a bigger Indian city might in 5-10 years?
    The old gen won’t – not english speaking enough.
    Don’t expect Punjabi Hindus to either.

    Thing is, non 0 chance that shop gets burnt down.
    Stores that sell tobacco or other anti-Sikh products get regularly burnt down or looted.

    For outdoor gear I just use Arcteryx LEAF or Snugpak tbh.

    Mentioned this before here: https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/sarma-windproof-smock/34637

    Doubles as Load Carriage – enough pockets for 3-5 mags, some rats & a canteen. 😀
    Tested it in rain at the Nagar Kirtan (Sikh Parade) last month.

    Performed as expected – light rain sure – anything heavier grab a stealth suit (underneath)
    One I have: https://snugpakusa.com/product.php?id=121

    This is the winter jacket I have: https://www.canex.ca/en/snugpak-elite-reversible-jacket-olv-013348

    Not advertising, this is just the standard gear the Infantry buys off-shelf.
    Not the best or the worst I guess, but for the money seems decent.
    Paid $200 CAD tax incl for both in 2019ish.
    Good civi gear will obviously perform better & be lighter.

    You make a good point about wokeness tbh.
    Civi gear has a secondary fashion component I guess.
    Have heard good things about Canada Goose & Outdoor Research for jackets/gloves respectively.

    Otherwise, I have no clue – since I only know how to operate till -15C.

    Below that you need specialized gear & really just layer up & cover extremities.

    A good arctic tent & movement during the day/outside should cover most things I imagine.
    A lot of specialized gear is for when you’re stationary – lot of guys don’t even wear anything warm on legs in movement.
    You probably know better/have more experience – I’m from a plains area.
    Also when it gets cold enough – keeping your beard from freezing is a challenge.
    Pointers appreciated!

  508. QCIC says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @QCIC

    1) Yes, placing anti-missile sites in Eastern Europe was a mistake, at least before 2014.

    2) Nuclear weapons and the like were bound to become a reality eventually, and actually, I'd argue that the situation was *in a way* even more dangerous in the pre-nuclear age since countries had no ultimate deterrent in the form of nukes to protect them in the event of a foreign conquest back then. A Germany that was encircled by the Franco-Russians didn't have the luxury of nukes to protect it in a worst-case scenario, after all.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The missile sites in Eastern Europe were planned before 2014 and commissioned after. The few things I listed are part of a larger set of aggressive actions made by the West against Russia. Overall, the West acted as if Russia did not have a powerful nuclear arsenal. The Russians announced the six advanced new weapons in 2019, I guess the West didn’t get the message. These weapons were apparently developed as a reaction to Western moves, not a preemption.

    Everything the West has done in Ukraine since 2014 has effectively ratcheted up nuclear tensions.

    I don’t know why anyone would defend this. Now that it has been pointed out, why don’t you reconsider?

    Since the West has ignored all reason, the Russian military may start thinking preemptively. A sensible person should be thinking, OMFG what have we done? How can WE turn down the heat? Since the West created this mess, we have to clean it up.

    Call your Congress critter and demand they stop this madness.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @QCIC

    Were the missile sites that Obama cancelled in 2009-2010 rebuilt after 2014? Was anything rebuilt before 2014?

    Replies: @QCIC

  509. @AaronB
    @Yahya

    It's not 100%, just a significant contributing factor. But the Israeli Arab Christians are just getting started - let's see what they develop into in the next decades, Israel is still s very young state. Druze used to never get into the fighter pilots course or the top commando units, but are now entering both. There are now Druze in the same army unit that Netanyahu and Barak served in. And it wasn't discrimination keeping them out. They're developing.

    As for Mizrahi Jews, I think the motivation happens when you are a minority within a state, although to some degree it's also intra-state - I don't think Israelis are genetically better fighters than Arabs, just much, much more motivated, for instance, and that motivation has systemic effects throughout the military system, including several unique design features and practices.

    That being said, Mizrahi Jews have significantly upped their performance as a result of motivation - for instance, the Ashkenazim used to be the much better soldiers, but today the Mizrahi units are considered easily as good as the Ashkenazi.

    Motivation is s highly "plastic" trait that works together with our complex brains to process data from the environment and develop the best strategy for concentrating performance. It does not make sense for every community to concentrate academically.

    For instance, Jews were not notably smart in the ancient world - but the Christians forbade them from using weapons or working the land, so they had no choice but to concentrate in intellectual endeavors. The Mizrahim did not face anything close to the restrictions on economic activity and lifestyle that the Ashkenazi did, and so were not under anything close to the same pressure - never the less, the Mizrahim often achieved higher position as a community than the native, as in Spain, Cairo, and elsewhere. The Syrian Jewish community is fabulously wealthy, btw.

    The Africans were the majority in South Africa it's the Whites who were the majority, and Blacks in America faced unique hurdles that Jews didn't that maybe made more sense for them to develop their athletic and cultural abilities. Relative to Africans, Blacks are a significantly overperforming minority culturally in America - in fact, relative to Whites, too, which is remarkable considering their status despised as ex slaves.

    The Japanese went from being a feudal warrior society to great industrialists and merchants in a generation.

    Perhaps one may think of people as possessing a certain "quantum" of energy and force that they can "project" in a particular direction as the situation dictates.

    Of course, I accepted that innate ability plays a significant role too, just not as significant as you think.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @John Johnson, @Wokechoke

    Jews or Hebrews/Israelites were a heavily urbanized elite class very early on. If Joseph is anything to go by the sons of Jacob were already positioning themselves as viziers, psychologists, tax collectors and economic managers along with being grain factors. Forbidden to work either hands? Oh no don’t make me an account manager, oh carpenter of wood!

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    in the OT the bulk of the Israelites are shepherds until the United Monarchy when most switched over to agriculture. We know that the Jewish population in Judea during Jesus's time was overwhelmingly rural. However, the bulk of the Jewish population lived in urban areas in the diaspora. It does not appear like the diaspora Jews were in middle class occupations until after the Roman empire adopted Christianity. In fact, in large portions of the Islamic world the Jews did not become middle class until the colonial period.

    The Palestinian Muslims are probably mostly descended from Jews and and Samaritans who converted to Islam over the centuries. The Palestinian Christians are presumably mainly descended from the Greek speaking Christian population in Roman Syria/Palestine after the Bar Kochba revolt

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  510. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    I agree that it could be described on so many different levels, sociological, epistemological, semantic etc. But the most important thing about it is first and foremost whether a given phenomenon does appear or not in the realm of the human senses, perceptible to humans either naturally or through the medium of our technology (which Florensky in his time called an extension of our organs - "органопроекция"). Once we are massively convinced that something is really "out there" as a phenomenon, we can look for the most probable explanations. And yes, it would be arrogant for us to believe that what we see today being described as UFOs and UAPs are something that only appeared in the last few decades. Anyone who read the Bible and the apocryphal Book of Enoch would know that sacred mythology describes very peculiar phenomena in the sky, going back millennia.

    And this is not just Abrahamic mythology, there are similar things described in other traditions as well. QCIC has mentioned Vimanas, but even closer to our times, in the early twentieth century, the great Buddhist Ch'an master Xu Yun mentions similar sights during his extensive pilgrimages. One of the holly mountains of China was known for "flying orbs of light" appearing and disappearing in its vicinity. I could look the book for the exact location of the place, but whatever it is, Xu Yun wrote in his biography that he indeed witnessed this kinds of appearances. But then he also believed in the litteral existence of the Buddhas and Boddhisattvas and had different visions and what we would call today paranormal experiences, so perhaps we should believe this enligtened monk (who lived to the venerable age of 119 years old) less than we believe the (utterly corrupt) Pentagon. Please note that I have not assigned an extraterrestrial origin to these phenomena. I have no idea what they are or where they come from and I make no assumptions.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Another Polish Perspective

    Try to be bold Ivashka: UFOs could be angels of God, yes, that God from the Old Testament. Yes, why not?
    That would explain why the discourse about UFOs is so guarded… because we do not walk in the footsteps of Abraham or Noah anymore. We are not on good terms with UFOs. Our civilization with its glorification of criminals in the movies on one side, and technical wizardry on other side, and much of useless bloodshed around, seems to have been built much more upon the “mistakes of Cain” as the Bible calls them.

    Also, people now would have trouble to accept the idea of aliens much more advanced than we are – so much that they could hang up in the skies basically invisible to us, making sure that we stay on our “prison planet”. Bascially, the world where Romulan Empire rulez, beyond our eyesight 😉

    But it is also interesting that these ideas return again and again: few days ago I saw “Guardians of the Galaxy 3”, and it is basically a variation on “The island of Dr Moreau” of HG Wells, and as we know Dr Moreau with his “Law” for his creatures in some ways resembled the Biblical God of Old Testament.
    I also took notice that one of Guardians bears the name Gamora, which is obviously a variation on “Gomorra” 😉

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Battle of the Nations
    Poland United States

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYKJ6TwIz7M&ab_channel=Roland-Garros

    Also: there are big factions on the inside who are partial to the UFOs = demons of Satan hypothesis. Those jag offs ain't a monolith. : )

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  511. @Wokechoke
    @AaronB

    Jews or Hebrews/Israelites were a heavily urbanized elite class very early on. If Joseph is anything to go by the sons of Jacob were already positioning themselves as viziers, psychologists, tax collectors and economic managers along with being grain factors. Forbidden to work either hands? Oh no don’t make me an account manager, oh carpenter of wood!

    Replies: @Greasy William

    in the OT the bulk of the Israelites are shepherds until the United Monarchy when most switched over to agriculture. We know that the Jewish population in Judea during Jesus’s time was overwhelmingly rural. However, the bulk of the Jewish population lived in urban areas in the diaspora. It does not appear like the diaspora Jews were in middle class occupations until after the Roman empire adopted Christianity. In fact, in large portions of the Islamic world the Jews did not become middle class until the colonial period.

    The Palestinian Muslims are probably mostly descended from Jews and and Samaritans who converted to Islam over the centuries. The Palestinian Christians are presumably mainly descended from the Greek speaking Christian population in Roman Syria/Palestine after the Bar Kochba revolt

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    Even Judaea appears to have been a gloss of landowning Jews and good konws what else doing the manual work.

  512. German_reader says:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/07/nato-members-may-send-troops-to-ukraine-warns-former-alliance-chief?CMP=share_btn_tw

    A group of Nato countries may be willing to put troops on the ground in Ukraine if member states including the US do not provide tangible security guarantees to Kyiv at the alliance’s summit in Vilnius, the former Nato secretary general Anders Rasmussen has said.

    Rasmussen, who has been acting as official adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, on Ukraine’s place in a future European security architecture, has been touring Europe and Washington to gauge the shifting mood before the critical summit starts on 11 July.

    He also warned that even if a group of states did provide Ukraine with security guarantees, others would not allow the issue of Ukraine’s future Nato membership to be kept off the agenda at Vilnius.

    He made his remarks as the current Nato chief, Jens Stoltenberg, said the issue of security guarantees would be on the agenda at Vilnius, but added that Nato – under article 5 of the Washington treaty – only provided full-fledged security guarantees to full members.

    The US ambassador to Nato, Julianne Smith, said: “We are looking at an array of options to signal that Ukraine is advancing in its relationship with Nato.”

    Rasmussen said: “If Nato cannot agree on a clear path forward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility that some countries individually might take action. We know that Poland is very engaged in providing concrete assistance to Ukraine. And I wouldn’t exclude the possibility that Poland would engage even stronger in this context on a national basis and be followed by the Baltic states, maybe including the possibility of troops on the ground.

    “I think the Poles would seriously consider going in and assemble a coalition of the willing if Ukraine doesn’t get anything in Vilnius. We shouldn’t underestimate the Polish feelings, the Poles feel that for too long western Europe did not listen to their warnings against the true Russian mentality.”

    He said it would be entirely legal for Ukraine to seek such military assistance.

    Essentially blackmail by the Eastern Europeans and Scandinavians. If they really want to do that, ok, then it’s time for Germany and other Western European states to leave this bizarro alliance where the tone is apparently now set by those itching for a direct war with Russia. In retrospect it’s clear that should have been done already in 1990.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    Sign of how badly it is going, I don't see how much of a difference it would make now, lack of ammo, logistics aren't there, there isn't much of an army to support anymore and would be wildly unpopular in the overwhelming majority of European countries. In reality they would get chewed up even more badly than the more battle hardened original Ukrainian army has. Have read about SAAB Viggens from Sweden probably being sent anyway, can be operated from roads, plenty of Polish mercenaries there already.

    I don't know how they are going to handle it, the economic data is dire, discontent is rising and a complete and crushing defeat of NATO by Vladimir Putin is an inevitability. Doubling down on crazy is possible. I would be morbidly curious to see it, how much can these clowns make things.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    the Poles feel that for too long western Europe did not listen to their warnings against the true Russian mentality.”
     
    Well now, the pretence that all this belligerence is a response to Russia's invasion is pretty quickly collapsing. Sounds like the Poles have been itching for a fight with Russia for some time now.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    Essentially blackmail by the Eastern Europeans and Scandinavians.
     
    Strangely spun up only by Westerners. No one in Poland speaks about sending troops to Ukraine outside NATO framework. But in the West, narration is being built for unilateral Polish action....

    If you ask me, it is the West pushing Poland to confrontation and war - similarly to what happened in 1939 with UK unilateral guarantees for Poland from 31March 1939.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Actually, on this issue, Eastern Europeans appear to have a lot of sense. Having Ukraine outside of NATO resulted in a war with Russia. Russia has never attacked a NATO member country.

  513. @Keypusher
    @S

    Sorry, this is absolute raving nonsense. Carey was comparing wage workers to slaves! What was actually happening was, for the first time in history, the common laborer was gaining the ability to earn a secure living from his labor.

    Carey, writing in 1853, can be excused for not seeing what was (slowly and painfully) happening. You have no excuse.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    It sounded to me like an economic approach to arguing for something like the ethnopluralism concept that the French Nouvelle Droite have formulated:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnopluralism

  514. The NATO offensive has been an even bigger disaster than predicted, I did think it was possible they might make some progress somewhere.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    Should be reminded that all Zoperation fans here last year were announcing that UA Kherson counteroffensive failed completely after several first days;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyD0lk1WwAAQZs5.jpg

    https://t.me/wargonzo/13044

    Replies: @LondonBob

  515. @Dmitry
    @Coconuts

    Most of the elite of Russia except some fathers, doesn't live in Russia. There was the massive emigration of elite especially in years around 2003-2015.

    In my experience, they are liberal, usually gentle people.

    Most of the rich people I've met, are unusually nice, externally. Actually, why rich people seem nicer people, is more kind of artificial youth in a golden cage, when you only meet other nice people from similar golden cages, everyone going to schools in England or Switzerland etc.

    It's living in the golden cage in wealthy areas of the world, based in minimization of exposure to the postsoviet society.

    But postsoviet society is winners vs losers society, winners immediately exiting to allow the people below them in the ladder to fight each other for scraps from the table.


    middle or lower-middle part of the Rus Fed elite

     

    If they were somewhere with the culture like Moscow. Moscow is dystopian rat race society of kitsch and status signalling.

    In the Soviet times, Moscow was also sometimes famous with more unpleasant snobby people, according to stereotype. Saint-Petersburg only more snobby about culture and speech, but the city has more of real attainments in culture.

    In most of Russia, people are better in this area. Although nowadays system of control in the society by Moscow, is to cause everyone feel like they are better than another person.

    Collectively, if Russians can't be better than Russians, they can be better than Ukrainians. If Ukrainians will live better, it will create political problems for Moscow, as talking about living better than Ukrainians was one of the recent themes.

    Or people pretending they are better than Central Asian guest workers, even though Central Asians doing the jobs Russians don't want, as the politicians said.

    This snobby behavior is typical of the second and third world countries, with corrupt elite. In Latin America, there will be Latinos pretending they are better because of slightly less brown skin. In India, they created 3000 castes.

    I think the first world countries are more successful to remove this. For example, countries like Netherlands or Denmark. Removing this culture, correlates with the more developed countries. So, in the postsoviet space, it would reduce eventually.


    sides of the British elite

     

    Because it's authentic brahmins, with centuries of knowing how to protect their lifestyle in the Kingdom.

    But historically, Great British elite always delegate, reform, compromise, in well organized way, responsible managers.

    Reaction of the Kingdom to the French revolution, giving more political power to Girondins, like a careful engineering project to release pressure, or rescue the overheating nuclear reactor. Then later, give the power to Sans-culottes.

    Eventually the society becomes very equal and the "lower class" (there isn't really lower class in those countries) living like an elite.

    In the 20th century, even following a lot of the communist kind of housing solutions.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    If they were somewhere with the culture like Moscow. Moscow is dystopian rat race society of kitsch and status signalling.

    They were indeed Muscovites, also this is some time ago. I think they were people who were in their 40s and 50s in the 2000s and early 2010s, so would have grown up under the Soviet system and started accumulating wealth in the 90s/2000s.

    I haven’t had any experience with the younger higher elites who have grown up abroad, though the children of my wife’s relatives are more mellow than their parents.

    With the British ones I knew, some were certainly nice people and some less so. They could be very competitive and had much more parental and social expectations placed on them. When I was a student there was some phenomena of the upper class young women having lower class boyfriends (the result of female liberation?). I thought that this was related to expectations, lower class boyfriends had lower ones and wouldn’t judge them in the same way. There also already seemed to be feuds or personal rivalries going on that people from different classes weren’t part of, perhaps evidence in favour of the idea that rivalry within classes or social strata is as bad as that between them.

    Reaction of the Kingdom to the French revolution, giving more political power to Girondins, like a careful engineering project to release pressure, or rescue the overheating nuclear reactor. Then later, give the power to Sans-culottes.

    It seems like they came to things sooner than other parts of Europe. Girondins of England and Scotland maybe asserted themselves in 1688, so by 1789 they could be strong conservatives, but of the Glorious Revolution of the late 17th century.

    I think part of the reaction to the French Revolution was to take the chance to pursue expansion overseas in new fields of enterprise, to take advantage of the way the French neutralised or distracted rivals. Britain’s industrial revolution continued, Portugal and Latin America came much more into the British economic sphere, possessions in India expanded, contacts in the Middle East were made.

    In that way they fashioned a ‘cushion’ against the build up of social antagonism and a base from which to grant social concessions and expand democracy in the future.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts

    You probably already know about this, but just in case you didn't:


    En 1782, Perregaux transporte sa banque de la rue Saint-Sauveur à la rue du Sentier près celle des Jeûneurs. Il fréquente alors la famille Le Normand, l’ex-mademoiselle O’Murphy et son amant Claude Antoine de Valdec de Lessart, futur ministre des Affaires étrangères, le riche aristocrate anglais Whitehill, ancien gouverneur de Madras, le poète André Chénier et sa famille, le comte d’Antraigues et Mme Saint-Huberty, le comte Turconi[4], tous les habitués de l’atelier d’Élisabeth Vigée-Le Brun dont Michelle de Bonneuil, ou encore le chevalier de Champcenetz parmi bien d’autres, tous voisins ou amis. Le banquier Perregaux est le plus mondain des banquiers de cette époque et, bien que marié, il est libre de mœurs[5] à l’opposé de Jacques Necker et sa femme qui cultivent les apparences de l’entente et de la fidélité conjugales.

    Perregaux est le banquier des voyageurs français ou étrangers venus à Paris, se constituant, au fil des années, une clientèle luxueuse. Comme on le voit dans son livre de compte produit au décès de son épouse chez le notaire Gobin, le 8 pluviose an II, il est le banquier des diplomates et riches aristocrates anglais comme Lord Cholmondeley, Lord Elgin, Quentin Crawfurd et William Beckford, d’espions comme le comte Berthold de Proly ou Nathaniel Parker-Forth et de jolies femmes comme les courtisanes Rosalie Duthé ou Théroigne de Méricourt, également de Eléonore Sullivan et surtout de Mme Grant, la future épouse de Charles-Maurice de Talleyrand qui loge longtemps chez le beau-père de Perregaux lorsque, venant de Calcutta, elle arrive à Paris en 1782.

    Le 7 mai 1786, le général Henry Dalrymple lui écrit de Londres pour lui recommander le banquier Robert Herries qui devient son bras droit, pendant la Révolution et la Terreur pour créer, à la Commune de Paris, les conditions de la violence dans la France jacobine. Mais à cette époque, on ne parlait encore que du traité de commerce entre la France et l’Angleterre auquel Perregaux a pris part : « Sir Robert (Herries), écrivait-il, possède une grande connaissance utile sur le sujet des arrangements commerciaux que l’on propose de faire, et il est comme vous un chaleureux partisan de toute mesure jugée suffisante pour mettre fin à ces mesquines hostilités commerciales qui ont depuis si longtemps déshonoré les deux pays[6]…. » Par cette lettre, on voit que Perregaux entretient des relations avec deux authentiques amis de la liberté, à savoir le marquis de La Fayette et Thomas Jefferson, ministre plénipotentiaire à Paris, à qui Dalrymple demande au banquier suisse de transmettre l’expression de ses sentiments respectueux.

    Officiellement associé à Gumpelsheimer à partir du 1er janvier 1787, Perregaux fait appel au jeune Basque Jacques Laffitte appelé à devenir un des plus grands financiers du xixe siècle[7] qui est embauché comme « teneur de livres ».
     
    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Perregaux

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/41921127

    https://archive.org/details/perregauxetsafil00lhom
    , @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    indeed Muscovites
     
    Moscow culture was already snobby in Soviet times and I think it becomes worse every year.

    But in general, in the developing countries the power relationship between rich people and poor people is also larger. So, the snobby attitude, can be based in real power relations i.e. where there is less protection for poor people.

    For example, if teenage children of rich people in a developed country would crash their new Maserati and kill pensioners in an old Lada, they would maybe hire a better lawyer, but it would still be possibly prosecution. However, in Russia, there are still nowadays regularly reports, when the police ignore those cases.

    It's part of the historical process of the developed country, when the elites have accepted a reduction of power or at least legal equality, although not economic equality.


    They could be very competitive and had much more parental and social expectations placed on them. When
     
    In this way, British elites, are probably more of an elite who have internalized some different culture and self-replicating methods across generations.
    -

    In the postsoviet space, it's sometimes like starving poor people were given golden keys. Although it's less for the new generation people who were going to school in Europe.

    The youth of the "alleged secret daughter of Putin" was in England, so she probably has better taste. But before she bought it, this was kitsch apartment decoration of the building in Moscow she bought.

    https://focus.ua/static/storage/thumbs/x600/6/f5/55b45635-a465b540e38fdba165bf4cee2f98bf56.jpg

    https://focus.ua/static/storage/thumbs/x600/2/0a/f5ef9cc3-919e125069690482f3ce5b7bfa10e0a2.jpg


    upper class young women having lower class boyfriends
     
    They are also have self-image as agricultural elite, although surely a fake identity. So, even the cars of the British Royal family, need to be Land Rovers, not Ferraris.

    When Prince William marries a woman from a city, they publish photos to say she is killing animals and doing some kinds of work.
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/30/21/7965386-0-image-a-108_1546206260588.jpg


    In that way they fashioned a ‘cushion’ against the build up of social antagonism and a base from which to grant social concessions and expand democracy in the future.

     

    Also the British empire was very important to create jobs for Kingdom's "Girondins". In the 19th century, De Morgan's parents were like this in India. In 20th century, George Orwell in Myanmar.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  516. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    It was a popular theme in the science fiction culture already maybe for 60 or more years now. I don't know so much about the science fiction history so there are probably many examples like this.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcmJFeKJNcg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    What does it mean for you Dima?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    If you ask my view of this introduction to film, not in the artistic view, but as matching to human history?

    I agree with this introduction, technology change is cause or route of significant human history.

    Most of historical descriptions are not important changes of patterns on the surface of water, caused by underwater movements of the technological change, which is the real cause of the changes.

    But, this science fiction is adding the "ancient astronaut hypothesis" as cause of human technology. If you viewed this as a not artistic, it would be an unnecessary assumption, as the film already gives a good motivation for the technological development of the apes - to kill each other and steal the meat, without needing the "Monolith" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolith_(Space_Odyssey)).

    -

    Why "ancient astronaut hypothesis" is in the culture? I think it's the only way to access again to ancient myths. If say the old myths are "poetic" (as discussed with LatW in earlier month), it's another way to say they are useless.

    While in Joe Rogan and History Channels "Ancient Aliens", it's a lot more exciting. They are saying the myths are actually historical descriptions of reality.

    So, I feel it is organically popular. But, popular with netizens, is a theory this is astroturfed by the government to the popular media, as a normalization of "real history" etc, first presenting with a comic sense, later from more serious people.

  517. @German_reader
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/07/nato-members-may-send-troops-to-ukraine-warns-former-alliance-chief?CMP=share_btn_tw

    A group of Nato countries may be willing to put troops on the ground in Ukraine if member states including the US do not provide tangible security guarantees to Kyiv at the alliance’s summit in Vilnius, the former Nato secretary general Anders Rasmussen has said.

    Rasmussen, who has been acting as official adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, on Ukraine’s place in a future European security architecture, has been touring Europe and Washington to gauge the shifting mood before the critical summit starts on 11 July.

    He also warned that even if a group of states did provide Ukraine with security guarantees, others would not allow the issue of Ukraine’s future Nato membership to be kept off the agenda at Vilnius.

    He made his remarks as the current Nato chief, Jens Stoltenberg, said the issue of security guarantees would be on the agenda at Vilnius, but added that Nato – under article 5 of the Washington treaty – only provided full-fledged security guarantees to full members.

    The US ambassador to Nato, Julianne Smith, said: “We are looking at an array of options to signal that Ukraine is advancing in its relationship with Nato.”

    Rasmussen said: “If Nato cannot agree on a clear path forward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility that some countries individually might take action. We know that Poland is very engaged in providing concrete assistance to Ukraine. And I wouldn’t exclude the possibility that Poland would engage even stronger in this context on a national basis and be followed by the Baltic states, maybe including the possibility of troops on the ground.

    “I think the Poles would seriously consider going in and assemble a coalition of the willing if Ukraine doesn’t get anything in Vilnius. We shouldn’t underestimate the Polish feelings, the Poles feel that for too long western Europe did not listen to their warnings against the true Russian mentality.”

    He said it would be entirely legal for Ukraine to seek such military assistance.
     
    Essentially blackmail by the Eastern Europeans and Scandinavians. If they really want to do that, ok, then it's time for Germany and other Western European states to leave this bizarro alliance where the tone is apparently now set by those itching for a direct war with Russia. In retrospect it's clear that should have been done already in 1990.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @silviosilver, @Another Polish Perspective, @Mr. XYZ

    Sign of how badly it is going, I don’t see how much of a difference it would make now, lack of ammo, logistics aren’t there, there isn’t much of an army to support anymore and would be wildly unpopular in the overwhelming majority of European countries. In reality they would get chewed up even more badly than the more battle hardened original Ukrainian army has. Have read about SAAB Viggens from Sweden probably being sent anyway, can be operated from roads, plenty of Polish mercenaries there already.

    I don’t know how they are going to handle it, the economic data is dire, discontent is rising and a complete and crushing defeat of NATO by Vladimir Putin is an inevitability. Doubling down on crazy is possible. I would be morbidly curious to see it, how much can these clowns make things.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LondonBob


    a complete and crushing defeat of NATO by Vladimir Putin is an inevitability
     
    Sounds like fiction, it's just something you WANT to believe.
    In reality it's almost impossible to know what's going on with the war in Ukraine. Fundamentals like the casualty numbers of each side are unknown. There are fantastical claims that tens of thousands died in the fighting in Bakhmut, but who really knows?
  518. German_reader says:
    @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    Sign of how badly it is going, I don't see how much of a difference it would make now, lack of ammo, logistics aren't there, there isn't much of an army to support anymore and would be wildly unpopular in the overwhelming majority of European countries. In reality they would get chewed up even more badly than the more battle hardened original Ukrainian army has. Have read about SAAB Viggens from Sweden probably being sent anyway, can be operated from roads, plenty of Polish mercenaries there already.

    I don't know how they are going to handle it, the economic data is dire, discontent is rising and a complete and crushing defeat of NATO by Vladimir Putin is an inevitability. Doubling down on crazy is possible. I would be morbidly curious to see it, how much can these clowns make things.

    Replies: @German_reader

    a complete and crushing defeat of NATO by Vladimir Putin is an inevitability

    Sounds like fiction, it’s just something you WANT to believe.
    In reality it’s almost impossible to know what’s going on with the war in Ukraine. Fundamentals like the casualty numbers of each side are unknown. There are fantastical claims that tens of thousands died in the fighting in Bakhmut, but who really knows?

  519. @German_reader
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/07/nato-members-may-send-troops-to-ukraine-warns-former-alliance-chief?CMP=share_btn_tw

    A group of Nato countries may be willing to put troops on the ground in Ukraine if member states including the US do not provide tangible security guarantees to Kyiv at the alliance’s summit in Vilnius, the former Nato secretary general Anders Rasmussen has said.

    Rasmussen, who has been acting as official adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, on Ukraine’s place in a future European security architecture, has been touring Europe and Washington to gauge the shifting mood before the critical summit starts on 11 July.

    He also warned that even if a group of states did provide Ukraine with security guarantees, others would not allow the issue of Ukraine’s future Nato membership to be kept off the agenda at Vilnius.

    He made his remarks as the current Nato chief, Jens Stoltenberg, said the issue of security guarantees would be on the agenda at Vilnius, but added that Nato – under article 5 of the Washington treaty – only provided full-fledged security guarantees to full members.

    The US ambassador to Nato, Julianne Smith, said: “We are looking at an array of options to signal that Ukraine is advancing in its relationship with Nato.”

    Rasmussen said: “If Nato cannot agree on a clear path forward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility that some countries individually might take action. We know that Poland is very engaged in providing concrete assistance to Ukraine. And I wouldn’t exclude the possibility that Poland would engage even stronger in this context on a national basis and be followed by the Baltic states, maybe including the possibility of troops on the ground.

    “I think the Poles would seriously consider going in and assemble a coalition of the willing if Ukraine doesn’t get anything in Vilnius. We shouldn’t underestimate the Polish feelings, the Poles feel that for too long western Europe did not listen to their warnings against the true Russian mentality.”

    He said it would be entirely legal for Ukraine to seek such military assistance.
     
    Essentially blackmail by the Eastern Europeans and Scandinavians. If they really want to do that, ok, then it's time for Germany and other Western European states to leave this bizarro alliance where the tone is apparently now set by those itching for a direct war with Russia. In retrospect it's clear that should have been done already in 1990.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @silviosilver, @Another Polish Perspective, @Mr. XYZ

    the Poles feel that for too long western Europe did not listen to their warnings against the true Russian mentality.”

    Well now, the pretence that all this belligerence is a response to Russia’s invasion is pretty quickly collapsing. Sounds like the Poles have been itching for a fight with Russia for some time now.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @silviosilver

    It's an ancestral vendetta for them (coupled with the delusional belief that this is their chance to become a great power again).
    The Scandinavians also seem to be fucked in the head btw. Baffles me what's going on in the minds of the Swedes, for a country whose last war was 200 years ago they come across as awfully bellicose. Denmark and Norway are just US protectorates (ok, true for most of Europe actually).

  520. @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    If they were somewhere with the culture like Moscow. Moscow is dystopian rat race society of kitsch and status signalling.
     
    They were indeed Muscovites, also this is some time ago. I think they were people who were in their 40s and 50s in the 2000s and early 2010s, so would have grown up under the Soviet system and started accumulating wealth in the 90s/2000s.

    I haven't had any experience with the younger higher elites who have grown up abroad, though the children of my wife's relatives are more mellow than their parents.

    With the British ones I knew, some were certainly nice people and some less so. They could be very competitive and had much more parental and social expectations placed on them. When I was a student there was some phenomena of the upper class young women having lower class boyfriends (the result of female liberation?). I thought that this was related to expectations, lower class boyfriends had lower ones and wouldn't judge them in the same way. There also already seemed to be feuds or personal rivalries going on that people from different classes weren't part of, perhaps evidence in favour of the idea that rivalry within classes or social strata is as bad as that between them.


    Reaction of the Kingdom to the French revolution, giving more political power to Girondins, like a careful engineering project to release pressure, or rescue the overheating nuclear reactor. Then later, give the power to Sans-culottes.
     
    It seems like they came to things sooner than other parts of Europe. Girondins of England and Scotland maybe asserted themselves in 1688, so by 1789 they could be strong conservatives, but of the Glorious Revolution of the late 17th century.

    I think part of the reaction to the French Revolution was to take the chance to pursue expansion overseas in new fields of enterprise, to take advantage of the way the French neutralised or distracted rivals. Britain's industrial revolution continued, Portugal and Latin America came much more into the British economic sphere, possessions in India expanded, contacts in the Middle East were made.

    In that way they fashioned a 'cushion' against the build up of social antagonism and a base from which to grant social concessions and expand democracy in the future.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    You probably already know about this, but just in case you didn’t:

    [MORE]

    En 1782, Perregaux transporte sa banque de la rue Saint-Sauveur à la rue du Sentier près celle des Jeûneurs. Il fréquente alors la famille Le Normand, l’ex-mademoiselle O’Murphy et son amant Claude Antoine de Valdec de Lessart, futur ministre des Affaires étrangères, le riche aristocrate anglais Whitehill, ancien gouverneur de Madras, le poète André Chénier et sa famille, le comte d’Antraigues et Mme Saint-Huberty, le comte Turconi[4], tous les habitués de l’atelier d’Élisabeth Vigée-Le Brun dont Michelle de Bonneuil, ou encore le chevalier de Champcenetz parmi bien d’autres, tous voisins ou amis. Le banquier Perregaux est le plus mondain des banquiers de cette époque et, bien que marié, il est libre de mœurs[5] à l’opposé de Jacques Necker et sa femme qui cultivent les apparences de l’entente et de la fidélité conjugales.

    Perregaux est le banquier des voyageurs français ou étrangers venus à Paris, se constituant, au fil des années, une clientèle luxueuse. Comme on le voit dans son livre de compte produit au décès de son épouse chez le notaire Gobin, le 8 pluviose an II, il est le banquier des diplomates et riches aristocrates anglais comme Lord Cholmondeley, Lord Elgin, Quentin Crawfurd et William Beckford, d’espions comme le comte Berthold de Proly ou Nathaniel Parker-Forth et de jolies femmes comme les courtisanes Rosalie Duthé ou Théroigne de Méricourt, également de Eléonore Sullivan et surtout de Mme Grant, la future épouse de Charles-Maurice de Talleyrand qui loge longtemps chez le beau-père de Perregaux lorsque, venant de Calcutta, elle arrive à Paris en 1782.

    Le 7 mai 1786, le général Henry Dalrymple lui écrit de Londres pour lui recommander le banquier Robert Herries qui devient son bras droit, pendant la Révolution et la Terreur pour créer, à la Commune de Paris, les conditions de la violence dans la France jacobine. Mais à cette époque, on ne parlait encore que du traité de commerce entre la France et l’Angleterre auquel Perregaux a pris part : « Sir Robert (Herries), écrivait-il, possède une grande connaissance utile sur le sujet des arrangements commerciaux que l’on propose de faire, et il est comme vous un chaleureux partisan de toute mesure jugée suffisante pour mettre fin à ces mesquines hostilités commerciales qui ont depuis si longtemps déshonoré les deux pays[6]…. » Par cette lettre, on voit que Perregaux entretient des relations avec deux authentiques amis de la liberté, à savoir le marquis de La Fayette et Thomas Jefferson, ministre plénipotentiaire à Paris, à qui Dalrymple demande au banquier suisse de transmettre l’expression de ses sentiments respectueux.

    Officiellement associé à Gumpelsheimer à partir du 1er janvier 1787, Perregaux fait appel au jeune Basque Jacques Laffitte appelé à devenir un des plus grands financiers du xixe siècle[7] qui est embauché comme « teneur de livres ».

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Perregaux

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/41921127

    https://archive.org/details/perregauxetsafil00lhom

    • Thanks: S
  521. @German_reader
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/07/nato-members-may-send-troops-to-ukraine-warns-former-alliance-chief?CMP=share_btn_tw

    A group of Nato countries may be willing to put troops on the ground in Ukraine if member states including the US do not provide tangible security guarantees to Kyiv at the alliance’s summit in Vilnius, the former Nato secretary general Anders Rasmussen has said.

    Rasmussen, who has been acting as official adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, on Ukraine’s place in a future European security architecture, has been touring Europe and Washington to gauge the shifting mood before the critical summit starts on 11 July.

    He also warned that even if a group of states did provide Ukraine with security guarantees, others would not allow the issue of Ukraine’s future Nato membership to be kept off the agenda at Vilnius.

    He made his remarks as the current Nato chief, Jens Stoltenberg, said the issue of security guarantees would be on the agenda at Vilnius, but added that Nato – under article 5 of the Washington treaty – only provided full-fledged security guarantees to full members.

    The US ambassador to Nato, Julianne Smith, said: “We are looking at an array of options to signal that Ukraine is advancing in its relationship with Nato.”

    Rasmussen said: “If Nato cannot agree on a clear path forward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility that some countries individually might take action. We know that Poland is very engaged in providing concrete assistance to Ukraine. And I wouldn’t exclude the possibility that Poland would engage even stronger in this context on a national basis and be followed by the Baltic states, maybe including the possibility of troops on the ground.

    “I think the Poles would seriously consider going in and assemble a coalition of the willing if Ukraine doesn’t get anything in Vilnius. We shouldn’t underestimate the Polish feelings, the Poles feel that for too long western Europe did not listen to their warnings against the true Russian mentality.”

    He said it would be entirely legal for Ukraine to seek such military assistance.
     
    Essentially blackmail by the Eastern Europeans and Scandinavians. If they really want to do that, ok, then it's time for Germany and other Western European states to leave this bizarro alliance where the tone is apparently now set by those itching for a direct war with Russia. In retrospect it's clear that should have been done already in 1990.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @silviosilver, @Another Polish Perspective, @Mr. XYZ

    Essentially blackmail by the Eastern Europeans and Scandinavians.

    Strangely spun up only by Westerners. No one in Poland speaks about sending troops to Ukraine outside NATO framework. But in the West, narration is being built for unilateral Polish action….

    If you ask me, it is the West pushing Poland to confrontation and war – similarly to what happened in 1939 with UK unilateral guarantees for Poland from 31March 1939.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    If you ask me, it is the West pushing Poland to war – similarly to what happened in 1939 with UK unilateral guarantees for Poland from 31March 1939.
     
    I don't agree with that interpretation of what went on in 1939 and I don't think it's comparable to what's going on today. Then it was actually about Poland's territorial integrity and independence. Whereas today nobody in his right mind can really believe Russia wants to invade Poland. Poland's situation in 1939 was objectively difficult given that Hitler was intent on war. By contrast, this escalating involvement in Ukraine today is totally by choice. imo it's crazy even from a perspective of genuinely vital Polish interests (not becoming drawn into a direct war with Russia, which might well escalate to nuclear strikes).

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Another Polish Perspective

    It is a little of both. Poland is primed to enter the war by a mix of internal and external actors.

    Internally, some Polish elites lust after the long gone glories of the Rzeczpospolita Polska and would want to establish themselves as the principal nexus of power in the Eastern Europe.

    US (((Neocons))), many of whom are connected through ancestry to shtetls in Poland and Ukraine, would be delighted in Slavs exterminting each other, while also terminally reducing Russian geopolitical influence.

    The Anglosphere would wish to build up the Intermarium bulwark preventing the Chinese OBOR from ever securely connecting Old Europe to the Sinosphere.

    Most importantly, Old Europe doesn't want a new center of power in the Eastern Europe. Replacing RusFed with the Ukrainian-Polish-Baltic Intermarium confederation is not something that would be in their interest. This confederation and RusFed annihilating each other, while leaving the whole region destructured and open for exploitative remodeling by the (primarily European) TNCs would be a better option, especially if done in a concerted manner with the Chinese advancing their OBOR further West. That would allow Old Europe some autonomy and bargaining power in the coming Anglosphere/Sinosphere competition that will shape the next few decades.

    That is if some AI doesn't go full Skynet against us, some Allien Watchers don't do their (AI simulated ?) landing on the Temple Mount, (Vatican, Kaaba, Lhassa or Rapa Nui, place your favorite "spiritual" landmark here), Climate Change doesn't go crescendo,or some other equally egregious display of bad taste Sci Fi screenplaying by the Demiurge screenwriter doesn’t grace our small planet in the next generation.

    Bottom line, Poland has a role to play, whether the average Pole likes it or not. In this the average Pole is no different from the average Russian or Ukrainian further East. The Slav problem must be solved once and for all, the Poles would be part of the Final Solution to this problem.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

  522. German_reader says:
    @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    the Poles feel that for too long western Europe did not listen to their warnings against the true Russian mentality.”
     
    Well now, the pretence that all this belligerence is a response to Russia's invasion is pretty quickly collapsing. Sounds like the Poles have been itching for a fight with Russia for some time now.

    Replies: @German_reader

    It’s an ancestral vendetta for them (coupled with the delusional belief that this is their chance to become a great power again).
    The Scandinavians also seem to be fucked in the head btw. Baffles me what’s going on in the minds of the Swedes, for a country whose last war was 200 years ago they come across as awfully bellicose. Denmark and Norway are just US protectorates (ok, true for most of Europe actually).

  523. German_reader says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    Essentially blackmail by the Eastern Europeans and Scandinavians.
     
    Strangely spun up only by Westerners. No one in Poland speaks about sending troops to Ukraine outside NATO framework. But in the West, narration is being built for unilateral Polish action....

    If you ask me, it is the West pushing Poland to confrontation and war - similarly to what happened in 1939 with UK unilateral guarantees for Poland from 31March 1939.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    If you ask me, it is the West pushing Poland to war – similarly to what happened in 1939 with UK unilateral guarantees for Poland from 31March 1939.

    I don’t agree with that interpretation of what went on in 1939 and I don’t think it’s comparable to what’s going on today. Then it was actually about Poland’s territorial integrity and independence. Whereas today nobody in his right mind can really believe Russia wants to invade Poland. Poland’s situation in 1939 was objectively difficult given that Hitler was intent on war. By contrast, this escalating involvement in Ukraine today is totally by choice. imo it’s crazy even from a perspective of genuinely vital Polish interests (not becoming drawn into a direct war with Russia, which might well escalate to nuclear strikes).

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader

    The Nato treaty guarantees could play similar role to the British guarantees of 1939. And this Rasmussen avoids the problem of engaging Nato guarantees in the case of the Polish unilateral involvement - very telling, and ominous too.

    Overall, this "Poland wants a war with Russia" is a Western narration, absent from Poland itself.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    Then it was actually about Poland’s territorial integrity and independence. Whereas today nobody in his right mind can really believe Russia wants to invade Poland.
     
    Now it's about Ukraine's territorial integrity and independence and nobody in his right mind could have really believed back in 1939 that Nazi Germany wants to invade France and/or Britain if they did not oppose Nazi Germany on issues of vital importance, such as territorial expansion in the East.
  524. @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    If you ask me, it is the West pushing Poland to war – similarly to what happened in 1939 with UK unilateral guarantees for Poland from 31March 1939.
     
    I don't agree with that interpretation of what went on in 1939 and I don't think it's comparable to what's going on today. Then it was actually about Poland's territorial integrity and independence. Whereas today nobody in his right mind can really believe Russia wants to invade Poland. Poland's situation in 1939 was objectively difficult given that Hitler was intent on war. By contrast, this escalating involvement in Ukraine today is totally by choice. imo it's crazy even from a perspective of genuinely vital Polish interests (not becoming drawn into a direct war with Russia, which might well escalate to nuclear strikes).

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Mr. XYZ

    The Nato treaty guarantees could play similar role to the British guarantees of 1939. And this Rasmussen avoids the problem of engaging Nato guarantees in the case of the Polish unilateral involvement – very telling, and ominous too.

    Overall, this “Poland wants a war with Russia” is a Western narration, absent from Poland itself.

    • Thanks: German_reader
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Overall, this “Poland wants a war with Russia” is a Western narration, absent from Poland itself.
     
    Exactly. It's a statement or assumption that strangely comes from both sides (some Westerners and many Russians).

    What Rasmussen is saying is very speculative at this point (I think this statement is a bit rushed). Either way, he's not talking about "entering the war" by NATO states, but about post-war security guarantees to Ukraine (a topic that is being actively discussed in Ukraine right now and in NATO before the NATO summit). This is based on the assumption that the majority of the Russian troops would've left the Ukrainian territory (or at least there would be no perspective of them advancing).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  525. @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    Essentially blackmail by the Eastern Europeans and Scandinavians.
     
    Strangely spun up only by Westerners. No one in Poland speaks about sending troops to Ukraine outside NATO framework. But in the West, narration is being built for unilateral Polish action....

    If you ask me, it is the West pushing Poland to confrontation and war - similarly to what happened in 1939 with UK unilateral guarantees for Poland from 31March 1939.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    It is a little of both. Poland is primed to enter the war by a mix of internal and external actors.

    Internally, some Polish elites lust after the long gone glories of the Rzeczpospolita Polska and would want to establish themselves as the principal nexus of power in the Eastern Europe.

    US (((Neocons))), many of whom are connected through ancestry to shtetls in Poland and Ukraine, would be delighted in Slavs exterminting each other, while also terminally reducing Russian geopolitical influence.

    The Anglosphere would wish to build up the Intermarium bulwark preventing the Chinese OBOR from ever securely connecting Old Europe to the Sinosphere.

    Most importantly, Old Europe doesn’t want a new center of power in the Eastern Europe. Replacing RusFed with the Ukrainian-Polish-Baltic Intermarium confederation is not something that would be in their interest. This confederation and RusFed annihilating each other, while leaving the whole region destructured and open for exploitative remodeling by the (primarily European) TNCs would be a better option, especially if done in a concerted manner with the Chinese advancing their OBOR further West. That would allow Old Europe some autonomy and bargaining power in the coming Anglosphere/Sinosphere competition that will shape the next few decades.

    That is if some AI doesn’t go full Skynet against us, some Allien Watchers don’t do their (AI simulated ?) landing on the Temple Mount, (Vatican, Kaaba, Lhassa or Rapa Nui, place your favorite “spiritual” landmark here), Climate Change doesn’t go crescendo,or some other equally egregious display of bad taste Sci Fi screenplaying by the Demiurge screenwriter doesn’t grace our small planet in the next generation.

    Bottom line, Poland has a role to play, whether the average Pole likes it or not. In this the average Pole is no different from the average Russian or Ukrainian further East. The Slav problem must be solved once and for all, the Poles would be part of the Final Solution to this problem.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    I don’t think an Intermarium centered on Warsaw would be a Center of power. Lol.

    , @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    A perceptive post as usual.


    Internally, some Polish elites lust after the long gone glories of the Rzeczpospolita Polska and would want to establish themselves as the principal nexus of power in the Eastern Europe
     
    Sure, there is some Romanticism about that. But also, it’s the realization that the small nations stuck between Eurasia and Germany need to stick together. The fact that many of them are related and share a common history helps. Poland is the largest, richest and most highly developed of these so it will naturally play a leadership role (at least this generation) but it’s population is not such that would enable it to dominate in the way that a Russia or a Germany would.

    The Anglosphere would wish to build up the Intermarium bulwark preventing the Chinese OBOR from ever securely connecting Old Europe to the Sinosphere.

    Most importantly, Old Europe doesn’t want a new center of power in the Eastern Europe. Replacing RusFed with the Ukrainian-Polish-Baltic Intermarium confederation is not something that would be in their interest
     
    You are somewhat mistaken here.

    Before Putin's reckless invasion there was an idea that Germany might cooperate with Russia and dominate Europe. Schroeder and Merkel both pursued policies supporting this idea. I suspect it would have continued had Russia taken Kiev in a week. France was the on board. Intermarim and the Anglo world were of course opposed.

    Now however everyone is on the same page regarding Russia as an unacceptable partner, an enemy.

    But there is still a intraEuropean split. The Biden administration seems to want to see Germany as Europe’s leader. Intermarium does not. And it seems that France, unwilling to be dominated by Germany, may be on Intermarium’s side now (UK probably also wants to keep a balance of power within Europe). It’s a subtle sort of rivalry among friends and allies, like between Germany and Austria during World War I. It does not interfere with the goal shared by everyone to stop brutal Russian aggression and expansion.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

  526. Meanwhile in Odessa Mama:

    https://t.me/a_kaminsky/7461

    Makes me want to take a vacation. I like that place and these people out there.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Better hurry, before the grime and machine oil runoff reaches the few open and operating beaches left.

    The plan to save true-blue Russian DNA within the Russian world runs afoul in Southern Ukraine. It would appear that even Karlin is beginning to see the folly of Triunism in the 21st century? The erosion of "pure" DNA is inevitable in the world today. On the bright side, I hear that the mixture of East Slavic DNA with (French?) Gaelic genes can produce some wonderful offspring.....

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

  527. @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    in the OT the bulk of the Israelites are shepherds until the United Monarchy when most switched over to agriculture. We know that the Jewish population in Judea during Jesus's time was overwhelmingly rural. However, the bulk of the Jewish population lived in urban areas in the diaspora. It does not appear like the diaspora Jews were in middle class occupations until after the Roman empire adopted Christianity. In fact, in large portions of the Islamic world the Jews did not become middle class until the colonial period.

    The Palestinian Muslims are probably mostly descended from Jews and and Samaritans who converted to Islam over the centuries. The Palestinian Christians are presumably mainly descended from the Greek speaking Christian population in Roman Syria/Palestine after the Bar Kochba revolt

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Even Judaea appears to have been a gloss of landowning Jews and good konws what else doing the manual work.

  528. German tanks reported seen on road to Tokmak. The Russians knocked them out. Challengers yet to make an appearance.

  529. @Ivashka the fool
    @Another Polish Perspective

    It is a little of both. Poland is primed to enter the war by a mix of internal and external actors.

    Internally, some Polish elites lust after the long gone glories of the Rzeczpospolita Polska and would want to establish themselves as the principal nexus of power in the Eastern Europe.

    US (((Neocons))), many of whom are connected through ancestry to shtetls in Poland and Ukraine, would be delighted in Slavs exterminting each other, while also terminally reducing Russian geopolitical influence.

    The Anglosphere would wish to build up the Intermarium bulwark preventing the Chinese OBOR from ever securely connecting Old Europe to the Sinosphere.

    Most importantly, Old Europe doesn't want a new center of power in the Eastern Europe. Replacing RusFed with the Ukrainian-Polish-Baltic Intermarium confederation is not something that would be in their interest. This confederation and RusFed annihilating each other, while leaving the whole region destructured and open for exploitative remodeling by the (primarily European) TNCs would be a better option, especially if done in a concerted manner with the Chinese advancing their OBOR further West. That would allow Old Europe some autonomy and bargaining power in the coming Anglosphere/Sinosphere competition that will shape the next few decades.

    That is if some AI doesn't go full Skynet against us, some Allien Watchers don't do their (AI simulated ?) landing on the Temple Mount, (Vatican, Kaaba, Lhassa or Rapa Nui, place your favorite "spiritual" landmark here), Climate Change doesn't go crescendo,or some other equally egregious display of bad taste Sci Fi screenplaying by the Demiurge screenwriter doesn’t grace our small planet in the next generation.

    Bottom line, Poland has a role to play, whether the average Pole likes it or not. In this the average Pole is no different from the average Russian or Ukrainian further East. The Slav problem must be solved once and for all, the Poles would be part of the Final Solution to this problem.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    I don’t think an Intermarium centered on Warsaw would be a Center of power. Lol.

  530. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Ivashka the fool

    Try to be bold Ivashka: UFOs could be angels of God, yes, that God from the Old Testament. Yes, why not?
    That would explain why the discourse about UFOs is so guarded... because we do not walk in the footsteps of Abraham or Noah anymore. We are not on good terms with UFOs. Our civilization with its glorification of criminals in the movies on one side, and technical wizardry on other side, and much of useless bloodshed around, seems to have been built much more upon the "mistakes of Cain" as the Bible calls them.

    Also, people now would have trouble to accept the idea of aliens much more advanced than we are - so much that they could hang up in the skies basically invisible to us, making sure that we stay on our "prison planet". Bascially, the world where Romulan Empire rulez, beyond our eyesight ;)

    But it is also interesting that these ideas return again and again: few days ago I saw "Guardians of the Galaxy 3", and it is basically a variation on "The island of Dr Moreau" of HG Wells, and as we know Dr Moreau with his "Law" for his creatures in some ways resembled the Biblical God of Old Testament.
    I also took notice that one of Guardians bears the name Gamora, which is obviously a variation on "Gomorra" ;)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Battle of the Nations
    Poland United States

    Also: there are big factions on the inside who are partial to the UFOs = demons of Satan hypothesis. Those jag offs ain’t a monolith. : )

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Well, it does not contradict what I think - as we know, there are good angels and bad angels, depending on your own side, basically.

    But as we try to restrict and/or to manage the awareness of the UFO phenomenon, I would infer that the current TPTB keep with the weaker side, or simply that the majority of UFOs are not allied with them.

  531. LatW says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader

    The Nato treaty guarantees could play similar role to the British guarantees of 1939. And this Rasmussen avoids the problem of engaging Nato guarantees in the case of the Polish unilateral involvement - very telling, and ominous too.

    Overall, this "Poland wants a war with Russia" is a Western narration, absent from Poland itself.

    Replies: @LatW

    Overall, this “Poland wants a war with Russia” is a Western narration, absent from Poland itself.

    Exactly. It’s a statement or assumption that strangely comes from both sides (some Westerners and many Russians).

    What Rasmussen is saying is very speculative at this point (I think this statement is a bit rushed). Either way, he’s not talking about “entering the war” by NATO states, but about post-war security guarantees to Ukraine (a topic that is being actively discussed in Ukraine right now and in NATO before the NATO summit). This is based on the assumption that the majority of the Russian troops would’ve left the Ukrainian territory (or at least there would be no perspective of them advancing).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Yeah, Ukraine certainly needs extremely (extraordinarily) strong Western security guarantees, either within or outside of the NATO framework, since a lack of such guarantees helped lead to the current war with Russia. Legally binding NATO security guarantees to Ukraine would go a very long way towards ensuring that Russia would never try invading Ukraine again in order to acquire Ukraine's human capital for itself (like Anatoly Karlin wanted and probably still wants Russia to do).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

  532. @LondonBob
    The NATO offensive has been an even bigger disaster than predicted, I did think it was possible they might make some progress somewhere.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Should be reminded that all Zoperation fans here last year were announcing that UA Kherson counteroffensive failed completely after several first days;)

    https://t.me/wargonzo/13044

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    Actually exactly the same thing that is happening now in Zaporozhye happened in Kherson, the VDV slaughtered the repeated attacks there. Suvorikin withdrew their forces from the other side of the river because of the risk of the Khakhova dam being blown up, a move that has been entirely justified now.

    The only time the NATO forces have had success was against a sparsely defended front in Kharkov, where the few troops there were Donbass conscripts and some police units.

  533. @Ivashka the fool
    Meanwhile in Odessa Mama:

    https://t.me/a_kaminsky/7461

    Makes me want to take a vacation. I like that place and these people out there.

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Better hurry, before the grime and machine oil runoff reaches the few open and operating beaches left.

    The plan to save true-blue Russian DNA within the Russian world runs afoul in Southern Ukraine. It would appear that even Karlin is beginning to see the folly of Triunism in the 21st century? The erosion of “pure” DNA is inevitable in the world today. On the bright side, I hear that the mixture of East Slavic DNA with (French?) Gaelic genes can produce some wonderful offspring…..

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    The erosion of “pure” DNA is inevitable in the world today.
     
    No surprises. You'd probably cheer when Ukraine is flooded with millions of Africans and justify it with some braindead Ameriboomer take (democracy, tolerance, melting pot, blahblahblah). The myopia of EE hardcore ethno-nationalists like LatW or all those quasi-fascists in Ukraine who think they can advance their projects in alliance with the single most corrosive anti-national, anti-European force in existence (undoubtedly the US, nothing else comes close, no matter how many 3rd worldist statements Lavrov et al. come up with) is really a sight to behold. They'll suffer a rude awakening eventually and it will be well-deserved.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver, @Wokechoke

    , @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    The erosion of “pure” DNA is inevitable in the world today.
     
    What's the rush? It's not like pure Slavic people are not born every day. And, by the way, a Polish and Ukrainian coupling is still 100% Slavic. :)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    However, as an Odessite lady friend of mine told me a couple of months ago: " Проблема в том, что этот Русский Мир и не мир и не русский ".

  534. @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks, I listened to part of this. I have heard the names Lazar and Bell, but never investigated. Lear has a great resume.

    I think Men in Black is a neat movie. It is well done as a tongue-in-cheek limited hangout.

    +++

    This high profile alien announcement soon after the similarly high profile AI warnings intrigues me in a way that will not help my sleep.

    Starting years ago, I have worked on a sci-fi story for myself which includes the following background: The one thing that all alien species agree upon is that advanced digital technology (say a smart phone) must be destroyed with extreme prejudice since there have been too many times that AI developed and wreaked galaxy-wide havoc. My notion is probably inspired by sentient or near-sentient nanites in several Sci-fi shows. This backstory is an important but small part of my plot but plays a key role in the sequel :) It also means that all advanced alien tech is analog, so yes, I'm a Luddite.

    Back here in the real world,

    Now that mankind is in the process of letting the AI genie out of the bottle, aliens are about to vaporize us. Not because they hate us, but just to eliminate the risk of our digital technologies. Since this annihilation is imminent the spooks now have no reason to keep it all secret any more :(

    Replies: @Dmitry, @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Lear has a great resume.

    He left out the part where Lear is the most prolific poster in the history of the Above Top Secret . com web site.

    https://www.abovetopsecret.com/

    A lot of sizzle. No documentation ever. Give no credence to anybody with the “if you knew what we know” schtick!

    • Agree: QCIC
  535. Would be funny if someone remade the old TV miniseries V about invading aliens, and this time they had the lizard people all have fake black skin, and somewhere in the series it is revealed that the aliens eavesdropped on American culture and found that the most powerful country worshipped blacks, so they thought pretending to be blacks would be a path towards successful conquest.

    They could arrive during George Floyd and have progressives immediately kneel before them once they show up. But then they might be completely surprised by having thugs gun down some of their men.

    • LOL: silviosilver
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    It might be more instructive if they have the aliens visible as lizard people in the first place. At the end the "aliens" peel off their camouflage and it turns out the evil monsters are actually humans dressed up like aliens.

    "We have met the enemy and he is us."

  536. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Better hurry, before the grime and machine oil runoff reaches the few open and operating beaches left.

    The plan to save true-blue Russian DNA within the Russian world runs afoul in Southern Ukraine. It would appear that even Karlin is beginning to see the folly of Triunism in the 21st century? The erosion of "pure" DNA is inevitable in the world today. On the bright side, I hear that the mixture of East Slavic DNA with (French?) Gaelic genes can produce some wonderful offspring.....

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

    The erosion of “pure” DNA is inevitable in the world today.

    No surprises. You’d probably cheer when Ukraine is flooded with millions of Africans and justify it with some braindead Ameriboomer take (democracy, tolerance, melting pot, blahblahblah). The myopia of EE hardcore ethno-nationalists like LatW or all those quasi-fascists in Ukraine who think they can advance their projects in alliance with the single most corrosive anti-national, anti-European force in existence (undoubtedly the US, nothing else comes close, no matter how many 3rd worldist statements Lavrov et al. come up with) is really a sight to behold. They’ll suffer a rude awakening eventually and it will be well-deserved.

    • Agree: Sher Singh, Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    You’d probably cheer when Ukraine is flooded with millions of Africans and justify it with some braindead Ameriboomer take (democracy, tolerance, melting pot, blahblahblah).
     
    Accepting the inevitable is not "cheering". Countries that are unstable (and lord knows there are plenty of them around) are the ones that inevitably swell the immigrant problem to more stable places. Most people, given safe and viable conditions, would much prefer staying put at home. Thanks to Russia's aggressive behavior, Ukrainians are forced to leave their homes and find better accommodations abroad. Has Russia made positive steps towards solving the emigrant process (besides stealing Ukrainian children and forcibly moving them to Russia, separating them from their parents).
    , @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    You’d probably cheer when Ukraine is flooded with millions of Africans and justify it with some braindead Ameriboomer take (democracy, tolerance, melting pot, blahblahblah).
     
    I can just imagine Hack's smug cuck smile as he writes these braindead comments. ("B-b-but trying to separate blacks and whites would cause violence." Great point cuck features, that would be totally different to today, where peace, tranquillity and goodwill reign. Blacks could get so upset they might start dropping out of school, turning to crime or even rioting and burning down cities.)

    Also, not hard to imagine Ukrainian war vets fifty years from now lamenting as David Irving says of British WWII vets that if they could've time-travelled to the end of the century to see what had become of their country, they wouldn't have bothered advancing another forty yards.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    Well you see it's just not going to happen in Warsaw, Kiev or Riga because of reasons.

    Replies: @LatW

  537. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Better hurry, before the grime and machine oil runoff reaches the few open and operating beaches left.

    The plan to save true-blue Russian DNA within the Russian world runs afoul in Southern Ukraine. It would appear that even Karlin is beginning to see the folly of Triunism in the 21st century? The erosion of "pure" DNA is inevitable in the world today. On the bright side, I hear that the mixture of East Slavic DNA with (French?) Gaelic genes can produce some wonderful offspring.....

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

    The erosion of “pure” DNA is inevitable in the world today.

    What’s the rush? It’s not like pure Slavic people are not born every day. And, by the way, a Polish and Ukrainian coupling is still 100% Slavic. 🙂

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    As long as Ukrainians don't interbreed with Baltics, the Slavic DNA package remains intact. :-)

    Replies: @LatW

  538. Sher Singh says:

    The Federal Communications Commission issued a $5.1 million fine against pro-Trump robocallers who targeted Black people with calls promoting a conspiracy theory that the government would use mail-in voting records “to track people for mandatory vaccines.” The calls also falsely claimed that mail-in voting would be used by police to “track down old warrants” and by credit card companies to collect outstanding debts.

    The FCC voted 4–0 to issue the fine against John Burkman (aka Jack Burkman), Jacob Wohl, and J.M. Burkman & Associates LLC for making illegal robocalls to wireless phones, the commission announced yesterday. Burkman and Wohl have faced multiple lawsuits and pleaded guilty in one criminal case. If they do not pay the $5,134,500 penalty, the FCC will refer it to the Department of Justice for collection.

    Based

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/06/robocalls-claiming-voters-would-get-mandatory-vaccines-result-in-5m-fine/

  539. • Replies: @QCIC
    @Sher Singh

    This stuff has been growing a long time, noticeably since the 1970's. It may increase vaguely like an exponential. It starts off at a low level in the culture and then starts doubling every five years. At the beginning twice a low level is still low so most people don't notice. Gradually it becomes visible and each doubling becomes disturbing. Eventually after the final doubling it is saturated and can grow no more. On an absolute level (not percentage) the prevalence increases enormously in just the last three doublings. Hopefully it is saturating now so the big question is how to correct things back to healthy normal.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  540. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    The erosion of “pure” DNA is inevitable in the world today.
     
    No surprises. You'd probably cheer when Ukraine is flooded with millions of Africans and justify it with some braindead Ameriboomer take (democracy, tolerance, melting pot, blahblahblah). The myopia of EE hardcore ethno-nationalists like LatW or all those quasi-fascists in Ukraine who think they can advance their projects in alliance with the single most corrosive anti-national, anti-European force in existence (undoubtedly the US, nothing else comes close, no matter how many 3rd worldist statements Lavrov et al. come up with) is really a sight to behold. They'll suffer a rude awakening eventually and it will be well-deserved.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver, @Wokechoke

    You’d probably cheer when Ukraine is flooded with millions of Africans and justify it with some braindead Ameriboomer take (democracy, tolerance, melting pot, blahblahblah).

    Accepting the inevitable is not “cheering”. Countries that are unstable (and lord knows there are plenty of them around) are the ones that inevitably swell the immigrant problem to more stable places. Most people, given safe and viable conditions, would much prefer staying put at home. Thanks to Russia’s aggressive behavior, Ukrainians are forced to leave their homes and find better accommodations abroad. Has Russia made positive steps towards solving the emigrant process (besides stealing Ukrainian children and forcibly moving them to Russia, separating them from their parents).

  541. @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    The erosion of “pure” DNA is inevitable in the world today.
     
    What's the rush? It's not like pure Slavic people are not born every day. And, by the way, a Polish and Ukrainian coupling is still 100% Slavic. :)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    As long as Ukrainians don’t interbreed with Baltics, the Slavic DNA package remains intact. 🙂

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. Hack

    Oh, come on! Don't be so stingy. :) I can't guarantee you that. :) What with those cute defenders and hot divchata.

  542. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Battle of the Nations
    Poland United States

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYKJ6TwIz7M&ab_channel=Roland-Garros

    Also: there are big factions on the inside who are partial to the UFOs = demons of Satan hypothesis. Those jag offs ain't a monolith. : )

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Well, it does not contradict what I think – as we know, there are good angels and bad angels, depending on your own side, basically.

    But as we try to restrict and/or to manage the awareness of the UFO phenomenon, I would infer that the current TPTB keep with the weaker side, or simply that the majority of UFOs are not allied with them.

  543. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    The erosion of “pure” DNA is inevitable in the world today.
     
    No surprises. You'd probably cheer when Ukraine is flooded with millions of Africans and justify it with some braindead Ameriboomer take (democracy, tolerance, melting pot, blahblahblah). The myopia of EE hardcore ethno-nationalists like LatW or all those quasi-fascists in Ukraine who think they can advance their projects in alliance with the single most corrosive anti-national, anti-European force in existence (undoubtedly the US, nothing else comes close, no matter how many 3rd worldist statements Lavrov et al. come up with) is really a sight to behold. They'll suffer a rude awakening eventually and it will be well-deserved.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver, @Wokechoke

    You’d probably cheer when Ukraine is flooded with millions of Africans and justify it with some braindead Ameriboomer take (democracy, tolerance, melting pot, blahblahblah).

    I can just imagine Hack’s smug cuck smile as he writes these braindead comments. (“B-b-but trying to separate blacks and whites would cause violence.” Great point cuck features, that would be totally different to today, where peace, tranquillity and goodwill reign. Blacks could get so upset they might start dropping out of school, turning to crime or even rioting and burning down cities.)

    Also, not hard to imagine Ukrainian war vets fifty years from now lamenting as David Irving says of British WWII vets that if they could’ve time-travelled to the end of the century to see what had become of their country, they wouldn’t have bothered advancing another forty yards.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    Also, not hard to imagine Ukrainian war vets fifty years from now lamenting as David Irving says of British WWII vets that if they could’ve time-travelled to the end of the century to see what had become of their country
     
    My English grandfather was in the British army 1940-1946. He died in the early 1990s, so before the post-1997 deluge, but he absolutely hated the Pakis who were spreading even back then in his hometown. So yes, it's not just something David Irving or similar people are making up.
    More generally, while I don't think "Hitler was right" is a position one should adopt, it's becoming harder and harder to see how Nazi Europe could have been worse in the long run for Western Europeans at least than what this liberal system we're living in is leading to. By the end of this century Britain and France won't exist in any recognizable way anymore, which goes well beyond what the Nazis were likely to do regarding them. Could there be a more damning indictment of "liberal democracy" than this?
    Of course the perspective of Poles, Russians etc. is bound to be different, for very legitimate reasons. But on the other hand, we're now being treated to the spectacle of militant Westerners (all good liberals, presumably all pro-faggotry and good "antiracists") calling Russians collectively "orcs" and salivating at fantasies of breaking up Russia into dozens of statelets. So maybe even in that regard "liberal democracy" and its defenders aren't quite what they're made out to be.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sean, @Coconuts, @Another Polish Perspective

    , @Mr. Hack
    @silviosilver

    Some day's, a B- is acceptable, especially taking into account who my graders are. :-)

  544. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    As long as Ukrainians don't interbreed with Baltics, the Slavic DNA package remains intact. :-)

    Replies: @LatW

    Oh, come on! Don’t be so stingy. 🙂 I can’t guarantee you that. 🙂 What with those cute defenders and hot divchata.

  545. @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    Should be reminded that all Zoperation fans here last year were announcing that UA Kherson counteroffensive failed completely after several first days;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyD0lk1WwAAQZs5.jpg

    https://t.me/wargonzo/13044

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Actually exactly the same thing that is happening now in Zaporozhye happened in Kherson, the VDV slaughtered the repeated attacks there. Suvorikin withdrew their forces from the other side of the river because of the risk of the Khakhova dam being blown up, a move that has been entirely justified now.

    The only time the NATO forces have had success was against a sparsely defended front in Kharkov, where the few troops there were Donbass conscripts and some police units.

  546. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    The erosion of “pure” DNA is inevitable in the world today.
     
    No surprises. You'd probably cheer when Ukraine is flooded with millions of Africans and justify it with some braindead Ameriboomer take (democracy, tolerance, melting pot, blahblahblah). The myopia of EE hardcore ethno-nationalists like LatW or all those quasi-fascists in Ukraine who think they can advance their projects in alliance with the single most corrosive anti-national, anti-European force in existence (undoubtedly the US, nothing else comes close, no matter how many 3rd worldist statements Lavrov et al. come up with) is really a sight to behold. They'll suffer a rude awakening eventually and it will be well-deserved.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver, @Wokechoke

    Well you see it’s just not going to happen in Warsaw, Kiev or Riga because of reasons.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    Well you see it’s just not going to happen in Warsaw, Kiev or Riga because of reasons.
     
    Not the way it's happening in Berlin or Paris, that's for sure. Not that that's much solace. It would've happened war or no war as it's based more on economics, and less on geopolitics.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  547. @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    Well you see it's just not going to happen in Warsaw, Kiev or Riga because of reasons.

    Replies: @LatW

    Well you see it’s just not going to happen in Warsaw, Kiev or Riga because of reasons.

    Not the way it’s happening in Berlin or Paris, that’s for sure. Not that that’s much solace. It would’ve happened war or no war as it’s based more on economics, and less on geopolitics.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    The importation of cheap Indian and African labour was a direct result of the Iron Curtain. Traditionally Easterners (non Jewish) seeking the Oceanic end of Europe would migrate and stay. Joseph Conrad for sample. The USSR wrecked much of that perfectly natural and attractive industrious migratory pattern. The kid sitting next to me in Catholic primary school the grandson of a Polish RAF pilot for example. First girlfriend was the granddaughter of Warsaw Jewish doctor who’d fought in the 8th Army but she was 3/4 English. I suspect the Poles are lunatics about Moscow’s power but the Eastern Bloc was a JudeaoBolshevik creation as Hitler stated. Only it was designed to corral a captive workforce so Jewish managers in the mega gulag could live well. See Kaganovich. Or indeed Zelenskyy today who has 25 million hostages. And zero in on that first girlfriend if you wish. Lol.

  548. German_reader says:
    @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    You’d probably cheer when Ukraine is flooded with millions of Africans and justify it with some braindead Ameriboomer take (democracy, tolerance, melting pot, blahblahblah).
     
    I can just imagine Hack's smug cuck smile as he writes these braindead comments. ("B-b-but trying to separate blacks and whites would cause violence." Great point cuck features, that would be totally different to today, where peace, tranquillity and goodwill reign. Blacks could get so upset they might start dropping out of school, turning to crime or even rioting and burning down cities.)

    Also, not hard to imagine Ukrainian war vets fifty years from now lamenting as David Irving says of British WWII vets that if they could've time-travelled to the end of the century to see what had become of their country, they wouldn't have bothered advancing another forty yards.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack

    Also, not hard to imagine Ukrainian war vets fifty years from now lamenting as David Irving says of British WWII vets that if they could’ve time-travelled to the end of the century to see what had become of their country

    My English grandfather was in the British army 1940-1946. He died in the early 1990s, so before the post-1997 deluge, but he absolutely hated the Pakis who were spreading even back then in his hometown. So yes, it’s not just something David Irving or similar people are making up.
    More generally, while I don’t think “Hitler was right” is a position one should adopt, it’s becoming harder and harder to see how Nazi Europe could have been worse in the long run for Western Europeans at least than what this liberal system we’re living in is leading to. By the end of this century Britain and France won’t exist in any recognizable way anymore, which goes well beyond what the Nazis were likely to do regarding them. Could there be a more damning indictment of “liberal democracy” than this?
    Of course the perspective of Poles, Russians etc. is bound to be different, for very legitimate reasons. But on the other hand, we’re now being treated to the spectacle of militant Westerners (all good liberals, presumably all pro-faggotry and good “antiracists”) calling Russians collectively “orcs” and salivating at fantasies of breaking up Russia into dozens of statelets. So maybe even in that regard “liberal democracy” and its defenders aren’t quite what they’re made out to be.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader

    Would a national socialist Reich encompassing Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Nordic countries and maybe a few other states or territories, in a friendly and allied relationship with Italy - could that have been a decent arrangement possibly? Purely hypothetically, of course, discounting inter-ethnic bickering and the Eastern issue (and France and the UK, of course). Or some kind of a larger Germany, doesn't sound too bad.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @German_reader

    , @Sean
    @German_reader


    By the end of this century Britain and France won’t exist in any recognizable way anymore, which goes well beyond what the Nazis were likely to do regarding them.
     
    Supposing the Nazis had ruled Britain and France how long would that have lasted? Till now?
    , @Coconuts
    @German_reader


    My English grandfather was in the British army 1940-1946. He died in the early 1990s, so before the post-1997 deluge, but he absolutely hated the Pakis who were spreading even back then in his hometown.
     
    This must have been really common, just thinking about what I know of my own grandfathers views. It can make official Remembrance Day events awkward, because you think about what the dead of WW1 and WW2 would have made of the present. The past couple of years I've heard even boomer ex-servicemen saying surprising things after these events, stuff that would have been more shocking in the past, not as surprising given the latest turn things have taken in culture.
    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    More generally, while I don’t think “Hitler was right” is a position one should adopt
     
    I have recently seen on the German ICE train infotainment system (!) the new Hitler movie - Er ist wieder da. Interestingly, it was available only in German language version. But I was surprised by the pretty positive picture of Hitler the movie presented (actually adopting the position "Hitler was right" between the lines from time to time) as well as by the tidbits of the real Hitler lore (like that he sometimes made pretty long pauses in his speeches). Only the JQ was more or less omitted, as it was said that "JQ is not funny at all" (the movie was a comedy).

    For such a movie, I would expect to have more echo in Germany... On the other hand, it was among 10 hits of ICE infotainment system, and one of two available only in German...


    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4176826/

    Replies: @German_reader

  549. QCIC says:
    @songbird
    Would be funny if someone remade the old TV miniseries V about invading aliens, and this time they had the lizard people all have fake black skin, and somewhere in the series it is revealed that the aliens eavesdropped on American culture and found that the most powerful country worshipped blacks, so they thought pretending to be blacks would be a path towards successful conquest.

    They could arrive during George Floyd and have progressives immediately kneel before them once they show up. But then they might be completely surprised by having thugs gun down some of their men.

    Replies: @QCIC

    It might be more instructive if they have the aliens visible as lizard people in the first place. At the end the “aliens” peel off their camouflage and it turns out the evil monsters are actually humans dressed up like aliens.

    “We have met the enemy and he is us.”

  550. @Yahya
    @Beckow


    Do you think it is reversible?
     
    It’s certainly possible. But is it likely to happen, under present cultural/environmental conditions?

    No.

    In fact, quite the opposite.


    But how about 300-400 years out?

    If the techno-futurists are to be believed, the world may be on the cusp of some important paradigm shifts.

    So who knows.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …the world may be on the cusp of some important paradigm shifts.

    The shifts are not making it better. The liberalism has been gradually unleashed in all societies around the world – the good parts are by now mostly passe, but the liberal pathologies are unbound. The techie stuff is only accelerating it.

    The core weakness of the liberal ideology is that it undermines family formation, it dismisses having children as a “choice”. As long as enough traditional people exist around them it can function quite well – but the latest incarnation of liberalism has a militancy about it: they can’t stand the normal people any more, self-hatred mixed with narcissism. A fatal combination.

    The problem with the still traditional societies (like Egypt, Russia, China…) is that they are ranked lower in the mankind’s consciousness – they are automatically relegated to a second tier status. They are gradually undermined from the inside, by their own budding ‘liberalism’ that looks to the West for its nirvana.

  551. @AP
    @Beckow


    Romanians? Are you serious?
     
    I haven't been there, but it seems to be doing well economically and parts are very pleasant. It is full of Roma though (which is not reflected on the map, which only tracks Muslims). Slovakia and Hungary also have a lot of them.

    "the lands between Russia and Germany would qualify, overall"

    Theoretically one could agree with that – correcting for the borders. But one of the basic things to evaluate are the results: if the people in that region are indeed that well endowed why have they created such sh..tty lives for themselves?
     
    Lives there are pretty good, if not for wars. Certainly good on a global level. The region has bad neighbors.

    Blaming outsiders is easy

     

    Indeed, the truth is easy.

    You should try it sometime.

    but what is it in the genetic fond that makes these gifted nations so susceptible to being used by the others
     
    A false question, because they are not. Unless you see mutual aid as being "used by others."

    Ukrainians, Poles, Balts did not want to be part of Eurasia, alongside Russians, Tatars, Tadzhiks, Chechens, etc. Eurasia is not as nice as east-central Europe. So they have fought against the Russians (they are tough peoples). Often these struggles coincided with other's plans. French, Germans, Swedes, Americans, etc. So they joined forces.

    Someone who is a natural servant can only see the world in terms of servitude, someone serving others, being "used" etc. It's all they know, all they are. But it is not that way.

    I am looking at the hapless, bleeding Ukies, the world current champions in sacrificing themselves for the others
     
    They are the frontline against the Eurasian beast who wants to take their land. So they fight for it. A beautiful, smart, and tough people.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    …Romania… it seems to be doing well economically and parts are very pleasant.

    It is not, they lost a lot of people and have some foreign mfg, otherwise a wasteland. There are pleasant parts everywhere, it means very little.

    They are the frontline against the Eurasian beast…

    Keep your facile racism to yourself. It really is unbecoming and makes me wonder if you are just a bitter frustrated has-been Nazi odjebok. (Look up what odjebok means, it describes you well, it works in most Slavic languages…)

    Your bravado is very tiresome, like a moronic kid hiding behind tough talk. Grow up, you sound like an idiot who is way over his head. At least you used to make out-of-context factual points that were often stupid but at least connected to reality. Now you are losing the war and so can only yell retarded and often racist slogans.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    “Romania… it seems to be doing well economically and parts are very pleasant.”

    It is not, they lost a lot of people and have some foreign mfg
     
    How would you know? You have not been there?

    And if you had been, we know that your word means little.

    Karlin’s description indicates that it was not bad.

    “They are the frontline against the Eurasian beast…”

    Keep your facile racism to yourself
     
    Eurasia is not a racial category.

    In Ukraine they refer to it as Azhiopa.

    you are just a bitter frustrated has-been Nazi odjebok

     

    You claim that about a lot of people. This indicates that the problem is not about us but rather is close to you. Many such people among your family, neighbors, etc.? Your country was, after all, a Nazi ally.

    Replies: @Beckow

  552. @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    You’d probably cheer when Ukraine is flooded with millions of Africans and justify it with some braindead Ameriboomer take (democracy, tolerance, melting pot, blahblahblah).
     
    I can just imagine Hack's smug cuck smile as he writes these braindead comments. ("B-b-but trying to separate blacks and whites would cause violence." Great point cuck features, that would be totally different to today, where peace, tranquillity and goodwill reign. Blacks could get so upset they might start dropping out of school, turning to crime or even rioting and burning down cities.)

    Also, not hard to imagine Ukrainian war vets fifty years from now lamenting as David Irving says of British WWII vets that if they could've time-travelled to the end of the century to see what had become of their country, they wouldn't have bothered advancing another forty yards.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack

    Some day’s, a B- is acceptable, especially taking into account who my graders are. 🙂

  553. QCIC says:
    @Sher Singh
    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/you-dont-belong-here-canadian-teacher-lambastes-muslim-student-for-eschewing-pride

    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/edmonton-school-distances-itself-from-recording-of-teacher-lecturing-students-for-skipping-pride-themed-activities

    Teacher was fired so that's a W.

    Most of this pride stuff started right before COVID.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1116379070142353499/41991-fb3c87edde54b42ad83e3d5b2c9530f4.png

    Replies: @QCIC

    This stuff has been growing a long time, noticeably since the 1970’s. It may increase vaguely like an exponential. It starts off at a low level in the culture and then starts doubling every five years. At the beginning twice a low level is still low so most people don’t notice. Gradually it becomes visible and each doubling becomes disturbing. Eventually after the final doubling it is saturated and can grow no more. On an absolute level (not percentage) the prevalence increases enormously in just the last three doublings. Hopefully it is saturating now so the big question is how to correct things back to healthy normal.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @QCIC

    https://twitter.com/thesatsol/status/1666478156751020034?s=46

    There are always heroes who defy every age.

  554. LatW says:
    @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    Also, not hard to imagine Ukrainian war vets fifty years from now lamenting as David Irving says of British WWII vets that if they could’ve time-travelled to the end of the century to see what had become of their country
     
    My English grandfather was in the British army 1940-1946. He died in the early 1990s, so before the post-1997 deluge, but he absolutely hated the Pakis who were spreading even back then in his hometown. So yes, it's not just something David Irving or similar people are making up.
    More generally, while I don't think "Hitler was right" is a position one should adopt, it's becoming harder and harder to see how Nazi Europe could have been worse in the long run for Western Europeans at least than what this liberal system we're living in is leading to. By the end of this century Britain and France won't exist in any recognizable way anymore, which goes well beyond what the Nazis were likely to do regarding them. Could there be a more damning indictment of "liberal democracy" than this?
    Of course the perspective of Poles, Russians etc. is bound to be different, for very legitimate reasons. But on the other hand, we're now being treated to the spectacle of militant Westerners (all good liberals, presumably all pro-faggotry and good "antiracists") calling Russians collectively "orcs" and salivating at fantasies of breaking up Russia into dozens of statelets. So maybe even in that regard "liberal democracy" and its defenders aren't quite what they're made out to be.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sean, @Coconuts, @Another Polish Perspective

    Would a national socialist Reich encompassing Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Nordic countries and maybe a few other states or territories, in a friendly and allied relationship with Italy – could that have been a decent arrangement possibly? Purely hypothetically, of course, discounting inter-ethnic bickering and the Eastern issue (and France and the UK, of course). Or some kind of a larger Germany, doesn’t sound too bad.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    I can’t for the life of me understand the motivations of you native Easterners.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_the_American_Revolution

    If you look closely you see a German Princess in St Petersburg who would like to see the German Prince in London brought down a peg, but not actually do anything, just so she could have a freehand in Crimea. While the Royal Navy was distracted. So she sorta said “let’s remain neutral here, the British Monarch dear cousin, made a mistake somehow.” Given the Russian monarch’s autocracy it’s amazing that she decided to turn a blind eye to the ideological issue of backing up another monarchy and aristocracy against Republican rustics. The Reich was this stud farm of princesses and princes that other nations dipped into. Lasted for centuries and was a golden period.

    I guess she was no clarevoyant nor a seer but anyone in London could see it coming. There were already men in the Admiralty who were planning to kick the Russians out of Crimea. Cochran or Nelson would have relished it.

    , @A123
    @LatW


    Would a national socialist Reich
     
    Socialism is always a bad idea. And, you cannot have national socialism without socialism.

    encompassing Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Nordic countries and maybe a few other states or territories, in a friendly and allied relationship with Italy
     
    A Christian Populist block starting with the Visegrád 4, Austria, and Italy would be a highly functional union. Germany would have to be kept out due to their highly toxic socialism. Switzerland could join, but it is not clear that they would want to. Cyprus and Greece are potential members as Christian nations.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    , @German_reader
    @LatW

    I'm not really pro-Nazi, since a drive towards war and external aggression was inherent to it. A more moderate right-wing authoritarian system (like in Latvia!) would have been better.
    More generally, the quest to create German hegemony over Europe, while not totally irrational, was foolish. It would have been better to try to come to some sort of understanding with France (there were talks about a customs union, economic cooperation etc. even as late as 1932). Of course in the long run liberalism might still have led to very undesirable results (there were African delegates in the French parliament even in the early 20th century after all, and it's an open question if there wouldn't eventually have been large-scale immigration from the colonies). But without the war and the material and psychological damage it did, at least Western (and now pretty much all of) Europe might not have become a US colony. As it is, we're now totally beholden to the Americans and their pernicious world view.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yahya, @Wokechoke

  555. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Romania... it seems to be doing well economically and parts are very pleasant.
     
    It is not, they lost a lot of people and have some foreign mfg, otherwise a wasteland. There are pleasant parts everywhere, it means very little.

    They are the frontline against the Eurasian beast...
     
    Keep your facile racism to yourself. It really is unbecoming and makes me wonder if you are just a bitter frustrated has-been Nazi odjebok. (Look up what odjebok means, it describes you well, it works in most Slavic languages...)

    Your bravado is very tiresome, like a moronic kid hiding behind tough talk. Grow up, you sound like an idiot who is way over his head. At least you used to make out-of-context factual points that were often stupid but at least connected to reality. Now you are losing the war and so can only yell retarded and often racist slogans.

    Replies: @AP

    “Romania… it seems to be doing well economically and parts are very pleasant.”

    It is not, they lost a lot of people and have some foreign mfg

    How would you know? You have not been there?

    And if you had been, we know that your word means little.

    Karlin’s description indicates that it was not bad.

    “They are the frontline against the Eurasian beast…”

    Keep your facile racism to yourself

    Eurasia is not a racial category.

    In Ukraine they refer to it as Azhiopa.

    you are just a bitter frustrated has-been Nazi odjebok

    You claim that about a lot of people. This indicates that the problem is not about us but rather is close to you. Many such people among your family, neighbors, etc.? Your country was, after all, a Nazi ally.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...You have not been there?
     
    I have, mostly very poor...but nice mountains and nature.

    Eurasia is not a racial category...as Azhiopa.
     
    You wrote 'Eurasian beast' and 'zhopa' (?)....if that is not racism, what would be? You are what I said you were: a frustrated Nazi odjebok. Wear it with pride...:)

    How many catastrophic wars can you wannabe Nazis loose before we get rid of you?

    Replies: @AP

  556. @LatW
    @German_reader

    Would a national socialist Reich encompassing Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Nordic countries and maybe a few other states or territories, in a friendly and allied relationship with Italy - could that have been a decent arrangement possibly? Purely hypothetically, of course, discounting inter-ethnic bickering and the Eastern issue (and France and the UK, of course). Or some kind of a larger Germany, doesn't sound too bad.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @German_reader

    I can’t for the life of me understand the motivations of you native Easterners.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_the_American_Revolution

    If you look closely you see a German Princess in St Petersburg who would like to see the German Prince in London brought down a peg, but not actually do anything, just so she could have a freehand in Crimea. While the Royal Navy was distracted. So she sorta said “let’s remain neutral here, the British Monarch dear cousin, made a mistake somehow.” Given the Russian monarch’s autocracy it’s amazing that she decided to turn a blind eye to the ideological issue of backing up another monarchy and aristocracy against Republican rustics. The Reich was this stud farm of princesses and princes that other nations dipped into. Lasted for centuries and was a golden period.

    I guess she was no clarevoyant nor a seer but anyone in London could see it coming. There were already men in the Admiralty who were planning to kick the Russians out of Crimea. Cochran or Nelson would have relished it.

  557. A123 says: • Website
    @LatW
    @German_reader

    Would a national socialist Reich encompassing Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Nordic countries and maybe a few other states or territories, in a friendly and allied relationship with Italy - could that have been a decent arrangement possibly? Purely hypothetically, of course, discounting inter-ethnic bickering and the Eastern issue (and France and the UK, of course). Or some kind of a larger Germany, doesn't sound too bad.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @German_reader

    Would a national socialist Reich

    Socialism is always a bad idea. And, you cannot have national socialism without socialism.

    encompassing Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Nordic countries and maybe a few other states or territories, in a friendly and allied relationship with Italy

    A Christian Populist block starting with the Visegrád 4, Austria, and Italy would be a highly functional union. Germany would have to be kept out due to their highly toxic socialism. Switzerland could join, but it is not clear that they would want to. Cyprus and Greece are potential members as Christian nations.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    Socialism is always a bad idea. And, you cannot have national socialism without socialism.
     
    National socialism wasn't about welfare, they tried to bolster the family instead. They would still be manufacturing a lot, assuming they could get a hold of all the raw material they needed.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  558. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader

    Would a national socialist Reich encompassing Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Nordic countries and maybe a few other states or territories, in a friendly and allied relationship with Italy - could that have been a decent arrangement possibly? Purely hypothetically, of course, discounting inter-ethnic bickering and the Eastern issue (and France and the UK, of course). Or some kind of a larger Germany, doesn't sound too bad.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @German_reader

    I’m not really pro-Nazi, since a drive towards war and external aggression was inherent to it. A more moderate right-wing authoritarian system (like in Latvia!) would have been better.
    More generally, the quest to create German hegemony over Europe, while not totally irrational, was foolish. It would have been better to try to come to some sort of understanding with France (there were talks about a customs union, economic cooperation etc. even as late as 1932). Of course in the long run liberalism might still have led to very undesirable results (there were African delegates in the French parliament even in the early 20th century after all, and it’s an open question if there wouldn’t eventually have been large-scale immigration from the colonies). But without the war and the material and psychological damage it did, at least Western (and now pretty much all of) Europe might not have become a US colony. As it is, we’re now totally beholden to the Americans and their pernicious world view.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    A more moderate right-wing authoritarian system (like in Latvia!) would have been better.
     
    Yes, it would've been good, it works quite well and it is compatible with both Protestantism and Catholicism (even if maybe less so), and even some secularism. So a more moderate national socialism, that's not as messianic and expansionist, but limited to just Germanic countries may have been good.

    By the way, secularism and moral relativism were already spreading in the 1930s and had gotten quite far. People in the cities had already started living somewhat hedonistically. But it could've been managed, unlike the post 1945 trends that took place.
    , @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Of course in the long run liberalism might still have led to very undesirable results
     
    The Francoist state couldn’t keep Spain from becoming a bastion of libtardism.

    The civil war victory turned out to be ephemeral.

    Ditto for Salazaar’s Portugal.

    In a way this was all inevitable.

    Urban Prosperity + Christian morality = loss of asabiyah

    Ibn Khaldun and Nietzsche had it diagnosed a long time ago.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Matra, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    Germany had more hegemony by exporting princes and princesses.

  559. @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    Well you see it’s just not going to happen in Warsaw, Kiev or Riga because of reasons.
     
    Not the way it's happening in Berlin or Paris, that's for sure. Not that that's much solace. It would've happened war or no war as it's based more on economics, and less on geopolitics.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The importation of cheap Indian and African labour was a direct result of the Iron Curtain. Traditionally Easterners (non Jewish) seeking the Oceanic end of Europe would migrate and stay. Joseph Conrad for sample. The USSR wrecked much of that perfectly natural and attractive industrious migratory pattern. The kid sitting next to me in Catholic primary school the grandson of a Polish RAF pilot for example. First girlfriend was the granddaughter of Warsaw Jewish doctor who’d fought in the 8th Army but she was 3/4 English. I suspect the Poles are lunatics about Moscow’s power but the Eastern Bloc was a JudeaoBolshevik creation as Hitler stated. Only it was designed to corral a captive workforce so Jewish managers in the mega gulag could live well. See Kaganovich. Or indeed Zelenskyy today who has 25 million hostages. And zero in on that first girlfriend if you wish. Lol.

  560. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Another Polish Perspective

    It is a little of both. Poland is primed to enter the war by a mix of internal and external actors.

    Internally, some Polish elites lust after the long gone glories of the Rzeczpospolita Polska and would want to establish themselves as the principal nexus of power in the Eastern Europe.

    US (((Neocons))), many of whom are connected through ancestry to shtetls in Poland and Ukraine, would be delighted in Slavs exterminting each other, while also terminally reducing Russian geopolitical influence.

    The Anglosphere would wish to build up the Intermarium bulwark preventing the Chinese OBOR from ever securely connecting Old Europe to the Sinosphere.

    Most importantly, Old Europe doesn't want a new center of power in the Eastern Europe. Replacing RusFed with the Ukrainian-Polish-Baltic Intermarium confederation is not something that would be in their interest. This confederation and RusFed annihilating each other, while leaving the whole region destructured and open for exploitative remodeling by the (primarily European) TNCs would be a better option, especially if done in a concerted manner with the Chinese advancing their OBOR further West. That would allow Old Europe some autonomy and bargaining power in the coming Anglosphere/Sinosphere competition that will shape the next few decades.

    That is if some AI doesn't go full Skynet against us, some Allien Watchers don't do their (AI simulated ?) landing on the Temple Mount, (Vatican, Kaaba, Lhassa or Rapa Nui, place your favorite "spiritual" landmark here), Climate Change doesn't go crescendo,or some other equally egregious display of bad taste Sci Fi screenplaying by the Demiurge screenwriter doesn’t grace our small planet in the next generation.

    Bottom line, Poland has a role to play, whether the average Pole likes it or not. In this the average Pole is no different from the average Russian or Ukrainian further East. The Slav problem must be solved once and for all, the Poles would be part of the Final Solution to this problem.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    A perceptive post as usual.

    Internally, some Polish elites lust after the long gone glories of the Rzeczpospolita Polska and would want to establish themselves as the principal nexus of power in the Eastern Europe

    Sure, there is some Romanticism about that. But also, it’s the realization that the small nations stuck between Eurasia and Germany need to stick together. The fact that many of them are related and share a common history helps. Poland is the largest, richest and most highly developed of these so it will naturally play a leadership role (at least this generation) but it’s population is not such that would enable it to dominate in the way that a Russia or a Germany would.

    The Anglosphere would wish to build up the Intermarium bulwark preventing the Chinese OBOR from ever securely connecting Old Europe to the Sinosphere.

    Most importantly, Old Europe doesn’t want a new center of power in the Eastern Europe. Replacing RusFed with the Ukrainian-Polish-Baltic Intermarium confederation is not something that would be in their interest

    You are somewhat mistaken here.

    Before Putin’s reckless invasion there was an idea that Germany might cooperate with Russia and dominate Europe. Schroeder and Merkel both pursued policies supporting this idea. I suspect it would have continued had Russia taken Kiev in a week. France was the on board. Intermarim and the Anglo world were of course opposed.

    Now however everyone is on the same page regarding Russia as an unacceptable partner, an enemy.

    But there is still a intraEuropean split. The Biden administration seems to want to see Germany as Europe’s leader. Intermarium does not. And it seems that France, unwilling to be dominated by Germany, may be on Intermarium’s side now (UK probably also wants to keep a balance of power within Europe). It’s a subtle sort of rivalry among friends and allies, like between Germany and Austria during World War I. It does not interfere with the goal shared by everyone to stop brutal Russian aggression and expansion.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AP


    The Biden administration seems to want to see Germany as Europe’s leader.
     
    Bizarre take. And while it's true that relations between Germany and France have deteriorated a lot (not least because of the unthinking Atlanticism on the German side), the French certainly aren't going to achieve their goal of strategic autonomy by supporting Intermarium.
    More to the point, the US has no interest in any truly independent European power bloc, no matter by whom it's led. That's something PiS Poland will eventually get to learn (the hard way) too.
    But I'm wasting my time. Your analysis always has a curiously anachronistic quality about it, like something out of the interwar era. But that's not the world we're living in today.
    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    To see Panzers in the Steppe again is a little alarming.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @AP


    Now however everyone is on the same page regarding Russia as an unacceptable partner, an enemy.
     
    It is not about Russia anymore, AP. And what Russia? The last somewhat credible iteration of Russia lost the war in 1922. There is no more Russia since that very moment. RusFed is not Russia and the Noviop RusFed is also slowly but surely going the way of the dodo bird. К ним пришёл пушистый, упитанный полярный лис, if you see what I mean. And this time it is probably terminal.

    It is quite possible that in a couple of generations there would be no one strong enough left standing between Ukraine and Central Asia / China. Like in the old Soviet joke : "На Китайско - финской границе всё спокойно".

    Would it be better for Ukraine and Poland whose population by then would be around 50% lower than today ?

    Rhetorical question. And anyway, I don't think that by the end of this century there would be Poland or Ukraine left either. We are already one foot into the Singularity, the pace of change is accelerating. The world might well become unrecognizable.

    Things fall apart, the center cannot hold...

    We do live in interesting times.

  561. @A123
    @LatW


    Would a national socialist Reich
     
    Socialism is always a bad idea. And, you cannot have national socialism without socialism.

    encompassing Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Nordic countries and maybe a few other states or territories, in a friendly and allied relationship with Italy
     
    A Christian Populist block starting with the Visegrád 4, Austria, and Italy would be a highly functional union. Germany would have to be kept out due to their highly toxic socialism. Switzerland could join, but it is not clear that they would want to. Cyprus and Greece are potential members as Christian nations.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    Socialism is always a bad idea. And, you cannot have national socialism without socialism.

    National socialism wasn’t about welfare, they tried to bolster the family instead. They would still be manufacturing a lot, assuming they could get a hold of all the raw material they needed.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    “Get a hold of”. Grab would be better Anglo Saxon. You sound almost black or folksy American with that phrase.

    Replies: @LatW

  562. • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail

    Russia withdrew from the ICC, I believe in 2015.

    Ukraine going to a body that has no jurisdiction is an admission that they are losing.

    PEACE 😇

  563. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    A perceptive post as usual.


    Internally, some Polish elites lust after the long gone glories of the Rzeczpospolita Polska and would want to establish themselves as the principal nexus of power in the Eastern Europe
     
    Sure, there is some Romanticism about that. But also, it’s the realization that the small nations stuck between Eurasia and Germany need to stick together. The fact that many of them are related and share a common history helps. Poland is the largest, richest and most highly developed of these so it will naturally play a leadership role (at least this generation) but it’s population is not such that would enable it to dominate in the way that a Russia or a Germany would.

    The Anglosphere would wish to build up the Intermarium bulwark preventing the Chinese OBOR from ever securely connecting Old Europe to the Sinosphere.

    Most importantly, Old Europe doesn’t want a new center of power in the Eastern Europe. Replacing RusFed with the Ukrainian-Polish-Baltic Intermarium confederation is not something that would be in their interest
     
    You are somewhat mistaken here.

    Before Putin's reckless invasion there was an idea that Germany might cooperate with Russia and dominate Europe. Schroeder and Merkel both pursued policies supporting this idea. I suspect it would have continued had Russia taken Kiev in a week. France was the on board. Intermarim and the Anglo world were of course opposed.

    Now however everyone is on the same page regarding Russia as an unacceptable partner, an enemy.

    But there is still a intraEuropean split. The Biden administration seems to want to see Germany as Europe’s leader. Intermarium does not. And it seems that France, unwilling to be dominated by Germany, may be on Intermarium’s side now (UK probably also wants to keep a balance of power within Europe). It’s a subtle sort of rivalry among friends and allies, like between Germany and Austria during World War I. It does not interfere with the goal shared by everyone to stop brutal Russian aggression and expansion.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    The Biden administration seems to want to see Germany as Europe’s leader.

    Bizarre take. And while it’s true that relations between Germany and France have deteriorated a lot (not least because of the unthinking Atlanticism on the German side), the French certainly aren’t going to achieve their goal of strategic autonomy by supporting Intermarium.
    More to the point, the US has no interest in any truly independent European power bloc, no matter by whom it’s led. That’s something PiS Poland will eventually get to learn (the hard way) too.
    But I’m wasting my time. Your analysis always has a curiously anachronistic quality about it, like something out of the interwar era. But that’s not the world we’re living in today.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  564. LatW says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW

    I'm not really pro-Nazi, since a drive towards war and external aggression was inherent to it. A more moderate right-wing authoritarian system (like in Latvia!) would have been better.
    More generally, the quest to create German hegemony over Europe, while not totally irrational, was foolish. It would have been better to try to come to some sort of understanding with France (there were talks about a customs union, economic cooperation etc. even as late as 1932). Of course in the long run liberalism might still have led to very undesirable results (there were African delegates in the French parliament even in the early 20th century after all, and it's an open question if there wouldn't eventually have been large-scale immigration from the colonies). But without the war and the material and psychological damage it did, at least Western (and now pretty much all of) Europe might not have become a US colony. As it is, we're now totally beholden to the Americans and their pernicious world view.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yahya, @Wokechoke

    A more moderate right-wing authoritarian system (like in Latvia!) would have been better.

    Yes, it would’ve been good, it works quite well and it is compatible with both Protestantism and Catholicism (even if maybe less so), and even some secularism. So a more moderate national socialism, that’s not as messianic and expansionist, but limited to just Germanic countries may have been good.

    By the way, secularism and moral relativism were already spreading in the 1930s and had gotten quite far. People in the cities had already started living somewhat hedonistically. But it could’ve been managed, unlike the post 1945 trends that took place.

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  566. @German_reader
    @LatW

    I'm not really pro-Nazi, since a drive towards war and external aggression was inherent to it. A more moderate right-wing authoritarian system (like in Latvia!) would have been better.
    More generally, the quest to create German hegemony over Europe, while not totally irrational, was foolish. It would have been better to try to come to some sort of understanding with France (there were talks about a customs union, economic cooperation etc. even as late as 1932). Of course in the long run liberalism might still have led to very undesirable results (there were African delegates in the French parliament even in the early 20th century after all, and it's an open question if there wouldn't eventually have been large-scale immigration from the colonies). But without the war and the material and psychological damage it did, at least Western (and now pretty much all of) Europe might not have become a US colony. As it is, we're now totally beholden to the Americans and their pernicious world view.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yahya, @Wokechoke

    Of course in the long run liberalism might still have led to very undesirable results

    The Francoist state couldn’t keep Spain from becoming a bastion of libtardism.

    The civil war victory turned out to be ephemeral.

    Ditto for Salazaar’s Portugal.

    In a way this was all inevitable.

    Urban Prosperity + Christian morality = loss of asabiyah

    Ibn Khaldun and Nietzsche had it diagnosed a long time ago.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yahya


    The Francoist state couldn’t keep Spain from becoming a bastion of libtardism.

    The civil war victory turned out to be ephemeral.

    Ditto for Salazaar’s Portugal.
     

    Because they had to operate in a Western Europe dominated by the American liberal order where that kind of regime was seen as essentially illegitimate, only tolerated for reasons of Cold War expediency. I don't see any reason why their systems would have been unsustainable otherwise. Sure, in our world economic modernization has a tendency to undermine the socially traditionalist systems promoting it, something like that was arguably already happening in 1960s Spain. But in a different international setting, that might not have been inevitable to the same extent.
    Regarding Ibn Khaldun, he wrote about cities in North Africa threatened by desert nomads...it's not like Spain and Portugal were actually defeated by a military conquest. There wasn't even really any loss of martial vigour until after the fall of those regimes, the Portuguese at least were waging colonial wars right to the end of Salazar's system (even if many army officers turned out to have commie sympathies, albeit of a somewhat national kind).
    As for Nietzsche, sure, Christian universalism is always in tension with nationalism. But there's no straight way from a militant Catholicism of the traditional Iberian kind to becoming "a bastion of libtardism" either.
    , @Matra
    @Yahya


    The Francoist state couldn’t keep Spain from becoming a bastion of libtardism.

    The civil war victory turned out to be ephemeral
     
    That's true, but if Germany had won Francoist Spain would not have had to liberalise somewhat as it did after WW2 nor would a post-Franco Spain have converged with a Europe under American hegemony. A German victory would have changed everything. Whether Nazism would've outlived Hitler, who was not in good health, is another matter.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya


    Urban Prosperity + Christian morality = loss of asabiyah

    Ibn Khaldun and Nietzsche had it diagnosed a long time ago.
     
    Agreed.

    Pol Pot was somewhat right about the cities being the origin of all the rot.

    Speaking of which, it's time to make you discover some great punk rock music, ya akhi Yahya al aziz.

    https://youtu.be/U4reO3LabZY

    Think of it as postmodern poetry.

    😉

    Replies: @Yahya, @Yahya

  567. @Mikhail
    https://twitter.com/ATGuerreiro/status/1666713954821849089

    Replies: @A123

    Russia withdrew from the ICC, I believe in 2015.

    Ukraine going to a body that has no jurisdiction is an admission that they are losing.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Mikhail
  568. @German_reader
    @LatW

    I'm not really pro-Nazi, since a drive towards war and external aggression was inherent to it. A more moderate right-wing authoritarian system (like in Latvia!) would have been better.
    More generally, the quest to create German hegemony over Europe, while not totally irrational, was foolish. It would have been better to try to come to some sort of understanding with France (there were talks about a customs union, economic cooperation etc. even as late as 1932). Of course in the long run liberalism might still have led to very undesirable results (there were African delegates in the French parliament even in the early 20th century after all, and it's an open question if there wouldn't eventually have been large-scale immigration from the colonies). But without the war and the material and psychological damage it did, at least Western (and now pretty much all of) Europe might not have become a US colony. As it is, we're now totally beholden to the Americans and their pernicious world view.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yahya, @Wokechoke

    Germany had more hegemony by exporting princes and princesses.

  569. German_reader says:
    @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Of course in the long run liberalism might still have led to very undesirable results
     
    The Francoist state couldn’t keep Spain from becoming a bastion of libtardism.

    The civil war victory turned out to be ephemeral.

    Ditto for Salazaar’s Portugal.

    In a way this was all inevitable.

    Urban Prosperity + Christian morality = loss of asabiyah

    Ibn Khaldun and Nietzsche had it diagnosed a long time ago.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Matra, @Ivashka the fool

    The Francoist state couldn’t keep Spain from becoming a bastion of libtardism.

    The civil war victory turned out to be ephemeral.

    Ditto for Salazaar’s Portugal.

    Because they had to operate in a Western Europe dominated by the American liberal order where that kind of regime was seen as essentially illegitimate, only tolerated for reasons of Cold War expediency. I don’t see any reason why their systems would have been unsustainable otherwise. Sure, in our world economic modernization has a tendency to undermine the socially traditionalist systems promoting it, something like that was arguably already happening in 1960s Spain. But in a different international setting, that might not have been inevitable to the same extent.
    Regarding Ibn Khaldun, he wrote about cities in North Africa threatened by desert nomads…it’s not like Spain and Portugal were actually defeated by a military conquest. There wasn’t even really any loss of martial vigour until after the fall of those regimes, the Portuguese at least were waging colonial wars right to the end of Salazar’s system (even if many army officers turned out to have commie sympathies, albeit of a somewhat national kind).
    As for Nietzsche, sure, Christian universalism is always in tension with nationalism. But there’s no straight way from a militant Catholicism of the traditional Iberian kind to becoming “a bastion of libtardism” either.

  570. @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Of course in the long run liberalism might still have led to very undesirable results
     
    The Francoist state couldn’t keep Spain from becoming a bastion of libtardism.

    The civil war victory turned out to be ephemeral.

    Ditto for Salazaar’s Portugal.

    In a way this was all inevitable.

    Urban Prosperity + Christian morality = loss of asabiyah

    Ibn Khaldun and Nietzsche had it diagnosed a long time ago.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Matra, @Ivashka the fool

    The Francoist state couldn’t keep Spain from becoming a bastion of libtardism.

    The civil war victory turned out to be ephemeral

    That’s true, but if Germany had won Francoist Spain would not have had to liberalise somewhat as it did after WW2 nor would a post-Franco Spain have converged with a Europe under American hegemony. A German victory would have changed everything. Whether Nazism would’ve outlived Hitler, who was not in good health, is another matter.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Matra


    A German victory would have changed everything.
     
    I'm not sure it would have changed much wrt the Fracoist regime being supplanted by something less reactionary. I was about to answer to Yayah's remark by saying that the Francoist regime actually promoted libtardism in the long term by censoring and oppressing things that were common place among Spain's neighbors and this had a boomerang effect when the regime ended and people were free again to express themselves. Many went to the opposite extreme. But G_R makes a good point that this happened in a context of Spain being surrounded by an American-dominated liberal order.

    However, Nazi Germany and Francoist Spain were totally different systems. If Irving is correct, Hitler was quite exasperated with the clerical turn that the Francoist regime took when the Civil War ended. The more NS-like factions of the Falange lost influence to the National-Catholic sector of the regime. In fact, Franco never joined the Axis. A victory of Nazism in Europe would have probably resulted in an eventual clash between a neo-pagan movement triumphant on the continent and a reactionary Iberian peninsula.

    Replies: @Mikel, @German_reader, @Sher Singh

  571. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    A perceptive post as usual.


    Internally, some Polish elites lust after the long gone glories of the Rzeczpospolita Polska and would want to establish themselves as the principal nexus of power in the Eastern Europe
     
    Sure, there is some Romanticism about that. But also, it’s the realization that the small nations stuck between Eurasia and Germany need to stick together. The fact that many of them are related and share a common history helps. Poland is the largest, richest and most highly developed of these so it will naturally play a leadership role (at least this generation) but it’s population is not such that would enable it to dominate in the way that a Russia or a Germany would.

    The Anglosphere would wish to build up the Intermarium bulwark preventing the Chinese OBOR from ever securely connecting Old Europe to the Sinosphere.

    Most importantly, Old Europe doesn’t want a new center of power in the Eastern Europe. Replacing RusFed with the Ukrainian-Polish-Baltic Intermarium confederation is not something that would be in their interest
     
    You are somewhat mistaken here.

    Before Putin's reckless invasion there was an idea that Germany might cooperate with Russia and dominate Europe. Schroeder and Merkel both pursued policies supporting this idea. I suspect it would have continued had Russia taken Kiev in a week. France was the on board. Intermarim and the Anglo world were of course opposed.

    Now however everyone is on the same page regarding Russia as an unacceptable partner, an enemy.

    But there is still a intraEuropean split. The Biden administration seems to want to see Germany as Europe’s leader. Intermarium does not. And it seems that France, unwilling to be dominated by Germany, may be on Intermarium’s side now (UK probably also wants to keep a balance of power within Europe). It’s a subtle sort of rivalry among friends and allies, like between Germany and Austria during World War I. It does not interfere with the goal shared by everyone to stop brutal Russian aggression and expansion.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    To see Panzers in the Steppe again is a little alarming.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Wokechoke

    Not as alarming as last time, it is Kherson all over again.



    https://twitter.com/MikaelValterss1/status/1666848455262609408?s=20

    Replies: @Greasy William

  572. @GR + Matra

    You make some good points.

    I think the equation can be reformulated thusly:

    Urban Prosperity + Christian Morality + Hegemonic Order = Asabiyah

    Would a Hegemonic Nazi Germany been sufficient to counterbalance the forces of urban prosperity and Christian morality in softening the European polity?

    People’s answer to this counterfactual will depend on judgement and instincts.

    But I should note that Japan and Korea are also under American hegemony, and are comparable in prosperity to Southern Europe, but have not undergone the same trajectory.

    Points to Christian morality/universalism playing a key role.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yahya


    But I should note that Japan and Korea are also under American hegemony, and are comparable in prosperity to Southern Europe, but have not undergone the same trajectory.
     
    I don't know what exactly is wrong with South Korea, but it seems to be a pretty terrible society that has essentially given up on itself even more than much of Europe has. Probably lowest birth rate in the world, well below 1 child/woman by now. Horrible relations between the sexes, if you can trust articles like this (might of course be a bit sensationalist):
    https://www.thecut.com/2023/03/4b-movement-feminism-south-korea.html
    There are also claims that it has fairly large numbers of foreigners by East Asian standards, but I'm not sure how accurate this is (official data one finds by quick googling still have fairly low percentages of foreign-born residents).
    Of course all this decadence might not necessarily refute your Nietzschean thesis, South Korea has a large (and very influential) minority of Evangelical Christians.
    Don't know about Japan, its future trajectory still seems to be somewhat open (though there are negative signs like increasing calls for openness to immigration, or this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/08/japan-court-falls-short-of-calling-same-sex-marriage-ban-unconstitutional ).
    , @Coconuts
    @Yahya


    Points to Christian morality/universalism playing a key role.
     
    At the moment I am sceptical about explanations relying too heavily on Christianity in itself.

    A few reasons for this:

    Looking back to early liberalism, around the time of Locke and Tolland, they were interested in rationalistic and deistic versions of Christianity that eliminated as much revealed and supernatural content as feasible. One of the concerns was the scale of intractable sectarian violence that had followed the Reformation and reducing the possibility of that in the future.

    Iirc many of the Enlightenment figures had this sort of concern. It was a big criticism of Christianity that was regularly heard until a year or two ago, that it was too divisive and likely to promote conflict.

    Liberalism also drew on the Scientific Revolution (universalist in a more direct sense than Christianity) and economic theories that advocated taking advantage of what had traditionally been regarded as vices to increase peace and prosperity via commerce.

    There is another critique of this, in one older history of political theory I was reading the author dates universalist ideas about human brotherhood back to the Hellenistic era and Stoic philosophy, describes them being repeated by pagan Romans, informing the development of Roman Law and so on. More or less the same ideas end being repeated through the Dark Ages and Medieval era, at a time when the ethnogenesis of a number of current European nations was taking place.

    So I think that stronger arguments are needed for the idea. Some account should be taken of the way Church leaders have been really preoccupied since the 50s with trying to make Christianity more inclusive and less sectarian. This is because of criticism of its role before 1945, based on criticism that had been going on since the Enlightenment.

    Replies: @songbird

  573. @AP
    @Beckow


    “Romania… it seems to be doing well economically and parts are very pleasant.”

    It is not, they lost a lot of people and have some foreign mfg
     
    How would you know? You have not been there?

    And if you had been, we know that your word means little.

    Karlin’s description indicates that it was not bad.

    “They are the frontline against the Eurasian beast…”

    Keep your facile racism to yourself
     
    Eurasia is not a racial category.

    In Ukraine they refer to it as Azhiopa.

    you are just a bitter frustrated has-been Nazi odjebok

     

    You claim that about a lot of people. This indicates that the problem is not about us but rather is close to you. Many such people among your family, neighbors, etc.? Your country was, after all, a Nazi ally.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …You have not been there?

    I have, mostly very poor…but nice mountains and nature.

    Eurasia is not a racial category…as Azhiopa.

    You wrote ‘Eurasian beast‘ and ‘zhopa’ (?)….if that is not racism, what would be? You are what I said you were: a frustrated Nazi odjebok. Wear it with pride…:)

    How many catastrophic wars can you wannabe Nazis loose before we get rid of you?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Eurasia is not a racial category…as Azhiopa.

    You wrote ‘Eurasian beast‘ and ‘zhopa’ (?)….if that is not racism, what would be
     
    Eurasia is not a race. The Nazis whom your people chose to serve were also beasts. Is that a racist thing to say?

    You have spent too much time in America, it shows in your instinctive whining about “racism.”

    You are what I said you were: a frustrated Nazi odjebok
     
    Don’t project. Nazi loss was good for my family.

    Replies: @Beckow

  574. German_reader says:
    @Yahya
    @GR + Matra

    You make some good points.

    I think the equation can be reformulated thusly:

    Urban Prosperity + Christian Morality + Hegemonic Order = Asabiyah

    Would a Hegemonic Nazi Germany been sufficient to counterbalance the forces of urban prosperity and Christian morality in softening the European polity?

    People’s answer to this counterfactual will depend on judgement and instincts.

    But I should note that Japan and Korea are also under American hegemony, and are comparable in prosperity to Southern Europe, but have not undergone the same trajectory.

    Points to Christian morality/universalism playing a key role.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts

    But I should note that Japan and Korea are also under American hegemony, and are comparable in prosperity to Southern Europe, but have not undergone the same trajectory.

    I don’t know what exactly is wrong with South Korea, but it seems to be a pretty terrible society that has essentially given up on itself even more than much of Europe has. Probably lowest birth rate in the world, well below 1 child/woman by now. Horrible relations between the sexes, if you can trust articles like this (might of course be a bit sensationalist):
    https://www.thecut.com/2023/03/4b-movement-feminism-south-korea.html
    There are also claims that it has fairly large numbers of foreigners by East Asian standards, but I’m not sure how accurate this is (official data one finds by quick googling still have fairly low percentages of foreign-born residents).
    Of course all this decadence might not necessarily refute your Nietzschean thesis, South Korea has a large (and very influential) minority of Evangelical Christians.
    Don’t know about Japan, its future trajectory still seems to be somewhat open (though there are negative signs like increasing calls for openness to immigration, or this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/08/japan-court-falls-short-of-calling-same-sex-marriage-ban-unconstitutional ).

  575. Obviously ominous sign of an inevitable US economy all-out collapse happening very soon due to sanctions and interest rates – real manufacturing construction spending rising and rising up;)

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Chips act and IRA are hardly positive from a EU perspective, even relatively mainstream voices have expressed concern the latter will hasten Europe's de-industrialization and incentivize companies to move to the US. Regarding chips act, it's another step on the way towards blocking European trade with China (e. g. this https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64897794 was clearly due to US pressure).
    But I suppose neither are much of a concern for Lithuania, it doesn't have any industries to lose after all and seems content with being an American attack dog, even eagerly inserting itself into the Taiwan issue.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    How is that non-Russian railway gauge going? Incompetent shithead. Who cares about US economy if failing German economy is deadly for Baltic earthworms?

  576. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    Obviously ominous sign of an inevitable US economy all-out collapse happening very soon due to sanctions and interest rates - real manufacturing construction spending rising and rising up;)

    https://i.postimg.cc/zXwxMKwb/US-construction-spending.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Gerard1234

    Chips act and IRA are hardly positive from a EU perspective, even relatively mainstream voices have expressed concern the latter will hasten Europe’s de-industrialization and incentivize companies to move to the US. Regarding chips act, it’s another step on the way towards blocking European trade with China (e. g. this https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64897794 was clearly due to US pressure).
    But I suppose neither are much of a concern for Lithuania, it doesn’t have any industries to lose after all and seems content with being an American attack dog, even eagerly inserting itself into the Taiwan issue.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Gravitation forces is also hardly positive from pedestrian perspective as it makes people sweat needlesly, instead of graciously letting everybody levitate effortlesly like Jesus on the water, but nevertheless it objectively exists;)

    Anyway, we have plenty of hallucinators around about the immediate US economy collapse, but things in reality evolving on the contrary, so it's worth mentioning.

    Even if such reality being potentially buthurt inducing for the great european industrialists and their lobbyists, whom are apparently so cluelessly mindless, that cannot sweat a little bit and invent their own equivalents to chips act or IRA or just organise their strategic sectors without making them critically dependent on some specific markets;) If so, obviously they may be suffering in the future, but that's just life.

    Replies: @German_reader

  577. @Matra
    @Yahya


    The Francoist state couldn’t keep Spain from becoming a bastion of libtardism.

    The civil war victory turned out to be ephemeral
     
    That's true, but if Germany had won Francoist Spain would not have had to liberalise somewhat as it did after WW2 nor would a post-Franco Spain have converged with a Europe under American hegemony. A German victory would have changed everything. Whether Nazism would've outlived Hitler, who was not in good health, is another matter.

    Replies: @Mikel

    A German victory would have changed everything.

    I’m not sure it would have changed much wrt the Fracoist regime being supplanted by something less reactionary. I was about to answer to Yayah’s remark by saying that the Francoist regime actually promoted libtardism in the long term by censoring and oppressing things that were common place among Spain’s neighbors and this had a boomerang effect when the regime ended and people were free again to express themselves. Many went to the opposite extreme. But G_R makes a good point that this happened in a context of Spain being surrounded by an American-dominated liberal order.

    However, Nazi Germany and Francoist Spain were totally different systems. If Irving is correct, Hitler was quite exasperated with the clerical turn that the Francoist regime took when the Civil War ended. The more NS-like factions of the Falange lost influence to the National-Catholic sector of the regime. In fact, Franco never joined the Axis. A victory of Nazism in Europe would have probably resulted in an eventual clash between a neo-pagan movement triumphant on the continent and a reactionary Iberian peninsula.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Mikel

    Another thing to consider is that the seeds of libtardism were present in Spain quite early on. Many Spanish Republicans were pretty extreme even for early 20th century standards. Hence the civil war. During the war there were libertarian/anarcho-communist experiments with free love and abolition of state structures along with massacres of nuns and priests.

    Replies: @Matra

    , @German_reader
    @Mikel


    If Irving is correct, Hitler was quite exasperated with the clerical turn that the Francoist regime took when the Civil War ended. The more NS-like factions of the Falange lost influence to the National-Catholic sector of the regime. In fact, Franco never joined the Axis.
     
    It's true that there were some fundamental tensions between Franco's regime and Nazi Germany (e. g. Franco seems to have been somewhat disturbed by Germany's attack on Poland, whose regime with its military and Catholic imprint he regarded as a kindred system to his own). However those tensions can also be exaggerated. According to Stanley Payne's biography (and Payne isn't totally unsympathetic to Franco, but rather fair imo) Franco would very much have liked to join WW2 on the Axis side, in the hope it would make Spain a great power again (he was also anti-British, still sour over the loss of the Armada I guess), it's just that Spain was still reeling from the effects of the civil war, and a fairly weak power anyway, so he never felt the moment was quite right. Germany also wasn't willing to offer him the parts of French colonial North Africa he coveted for fear of offending the Vichy French. Still, even as it was there was some logistical support for the German war effort (iirc German submarines could use Spanish harbours), and of course the Blue Division sent to the eastern front. The decisive break really came only in 1943, when it was becoming increasingly clear that Germany was going to lose the war. It was then that the more openly fascist elements of the regime began to be discarded as part of the preparation for the post-war era (though even despite that Spain was still internationally isolated in the first years after WW2, and there were certainly liberal Westerners who would have welcomed an intervention there).
    What would happened in case of a German victory, who knows. But of course Franco's world view was quite different from that of a neo-pagan, Nordicist lunatic like Himmler, that's certainly true.

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikel

    , @Sher Singh
    @Mikel


    A victory of Nazism in Europe would have probably resulted in an eventual clash between a neo-pagan movement triumphant on the continent and a reactionary Iberian peninsula.
     
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  578. @Mikel
    @Matra


    A German victory would have changed everything.
     
    I'm not sure it would have changed much wrt the Fracoist regime being supplanted by something less reactionary. I was about to answer to Yayah's remark by saying that the Francoist regime actually promoted libtardism in the long term by censoring and oppressing things that were common place among Spain's neighbors and this had a boomerang effect when the regime ended and people were free again to express themselves. Many went to the opposite extreme. But G_R makes a good point that this happened in a context of Spain being surrounded by an American-dominated liberal order.

    However, Nazi Germany and Francoist Spain were totally different systems. If Irving is correct, Hitler was quite exasperated with the clerical turn that the Francoist regime took when the Civil War ended. The more NS-like factions of the Falange lost influence to the National-Catholic sector of the regime. In fact, Franco never joined the Axis. A victory of Nazism in Europe would have probably resulted in an eventual clash between a neo-pagan movement triumphant on the continent and a reactionary Iberian peninsula.

    Replies: @Mikel, @German_reader, @Sher Singh

    Another thing to consider is that the seeds of libtardism were present in Spain quite early on. Many Spanish Republicans were pretty extreme even for early 20th century standards. Hence the civil war. During the war there were libertarian/anarcho-communist experiments with free love and abolition of state structures along with massacres of nuns and priests.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Mikel

    From an outsider's perspective Catalans seem like the worst libtards in Europe and have been for the last century.

  579. @German_reader
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/07/nato-members-may-send-troops-to-ukraine-warns-former-alliance-chief?CMP=share_btn_tw

    A group of Nato countries may be willing to put troops on the ground in Ukraine if member states including the US do not provide tangible security guarantees to Kyiv at the alliance’s summit in Vilnius, the former Nato secretary general Anders Rasmussen has said.

    Rasmussen, who has been acting as official adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, on Ukraine’s place in a future European security architecture, has been touring Europe and Washington to gauge the shifting mood before the critical summit starts on 11 July.

    He also warned that even if a group of states did provide Ukraine with security guarantees, others would not allow the issue of Ukraine’s future Nato membership to be kept off the agenda at Vilnius.

    He made his remarks as the current Nato chief, Jens Stoltenberg, said the issue of security guarantees would be on the agenda at Vilnius, but added that Nato – under article 5 of the Washington treaty – only provided full-fledged security guarantees to full members.

    The US ambassador to Nato, Julianne Smith, said: “We are looking at an array of options to signal that Ukraine is advancing in its relationship with Nato.”

    Rasmussen said: “If Nato cannot agree on a clear path forward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility that some countries individually might take action. We know that Poland is very engaged in providing concrete assistance to Ukraine. And I wouldn’t exclude the possibility that Poland would engage even stronger in this context on a national basis and be followed by the Baltic states, maybe including the possibility of troops on the ground.

    “I think the Poles would seriously consider going in and assemble a coalition of the willing if Ukraine doesn’t get anything in Vilnius. We shouldn’t underestimate the Polish feelings, the Poles feel that for too long western Europe did not listen to their warnings against the true Russian mentality.”

    He said it would be entirely legal for Ukraine to seek such military assistance.
     
    Essentially blackmail by the Eastern Europeans and Scandinavians. If they really want to do that, ok, then it's time for Germany and other Western European states to leave this bizarro alliance where the tone is apparently now set by those itching for a direct war with Russia. In retrospect it's clear that should have been done already in 1990.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @silviosilver, @Another Polish Perspective, @Mr. XYZ

    Actually, on this issue, Eastern Europeans appear to have a lot of sense. Having Ukraine outside of NATO resulted in a war with Russia. Russia has never attacked a NATO member country.

  580. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @Matra


    A German victory would have changed everything.
     
    I'm not sure it would have changed much wrt the Fracoist regime being supplanted by something less reactionary. I was about to answer to Yayah's remark by saying that the Francoist regime actually promoted libtardism in the long term by censoring and oppressing things that were common place among Spain's neighbors and this had a boomerang effect when the regime ended and people were free again to express themselves. Many went to the opposite extreme. But G_R makes a good point that this happened in a context of Spain being surrounded by an American-dominated liberal order.

    However, Nazi Germany and Francoist Spain were totally different systems. If Irving is correct, Hitler was quite exasperated with the clerical turn that the Francoist regime took when the Civil War ended. The more NS-like factions of the Falange lost influence to the National-Catholic sector of the regime. In fact, Franco never joined the Axis. A victory of Nazism in Europe would have probably resulted in an eventual clash between a neo-pagan movement triumphant on the continent and a reactionary Iberian peninsula.

    Replies: @Mikel, @German_reader, @Sher Singh

    If Irving is correct, Hitler was quite exasperated with the clerical turn that the Francoist regime took when the Civil War ended. The more NS-like factions of the Falange lost influence to the National-Catholic sector of the regime. In fact, Franco never joined the Axis.

    It’s true that there were some fundamental tensions between Franco’s regime and Nazi Germany (e. g. Franco seems to have been somewhat disturbed by Germany’s attack on Poland, whose regime with its military and Catholic imprint he regarded as a kindred system to his own). However those tensions can also be exaggerated. According to Stanley Payne’s biography (and Payne isn’t totally unsympathetic to Franco, but rather fair imo) Franco would very much have liked to join WW2 on the Axis side, in the hope it would make Spain a great power again (he was also anti-British, still sour over the loss of the Armada I guess), it’s just that Spain was still reeling from the effects of the civil war, and a fairly weak power anyway, so he never felt the moment was quite right. Germany also wasn’t willing to offer him the parts of French colonial North Africa he coveted for fear of offending the Vichy French. Still, even as it was there was some logistical support for the German war effort (iirc German submarines could use Spanish harbours), and of course the Blue Division sent to the eastern front. The decisive break really came only in 1943, when it was becoming increasingly clear that Germany was going to lose the war. It was then that the more openly fascist elements of the regime began to be discarded as part of the preparation for the post-war era (though even despite that Spain was still internationally isolated in the first years after WW2, and there were certainly liberal Westerners who would have welcomed an intervention there).
    What would happened in case of a German victory, who knows. But of course Franco’s world view was quite different from that of a neo-pagan, Nordicist lunatic like Himmler, that’s certainly true.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    he was also anti-British, still sour over the loss of the Armada I guess)
     
    Not entirely incomprehensible. The Black Legend was still very much a contemporary phenomenon in the Anglosphere. I myself was assigned the "Pit and the Pendulum" in middle school.

    The Hollywood film The Sea Hawk (1940) made a thin comparison between Hitler and Spain. (Both unrealistic)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sea_Hawk_(1940_film)

    I will meet AP half-way and say it would have been interesting to see a few stories from the Spanish perspective. Francisco de Cuellar's account, for instance, would have made a good movie, IMO. Though of course, things are so dire now, propaganda should focus on cooperation between Europeans.

    Replies: @German_reader, @RSDB, @Sher Singh

    , @Mikel
    @German_reader


    he was also anti-British, still sour over the loss of the Armada I guess
     
    He probably was lol. To this day you find Spaniards on the net claiming that the Invincible expedition was defeated by the natural elements, rather than the British fleet. There may be some element of truth in that but it wasn't the natural elements that made Spain decline while Britain went on to rule the waves. In case of any doubt, the thorn of Gibraltar inserted in Spain's nether parts has for centuries been a reminder of who's who.

    Franco’s world view was quite different from that of a neo-pagan, Nordicist lunatic like Himmler
     
    Indeed. And the Nordicist element would have also likely played a part in a Nazi-dominated Europe. Apparently, Hitler's anti-Slav ideas stemmed from the fact that Slavs were the non-Germanic populations he was most familiar with since his days in Vienna. He talked about that in Mein Kampf. But I guess a Nazi domination of Europe should have driven Nordicism to its logical conclusion wrt to the North-South divide too.

    Replies: @German_reader

  581. @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    If you ask me, it is the West pushing Poland to war – similarly to what happened in 1939 with UK unilateral guarantees for Poland from 31March 1939.
     
    I don't agree with that interpretation of what went on in 1939 and I don't think it's comparable to what's going on today. Then it was actually about Poland's territorial integrity and independence. Whereas today nobody in his right mind can really believe Russia wants to invade Poland. Poland's situation in 1939 was objectively difficult given that Hitler was intent on war. By contrast, this escalating involvement in Ukraine today is totally by choice. imo it's crazy even from a perspective of genuinely vital Polish interests (not becoming drawn into a direct war with Russia, which might well escalate to nuclear strikes).

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Mr. XYZ

    Then it was actually about Poland’s territorial integrity and independence. Whereas today nobody in his right mind can really believe Russia wants to invade Poland.

    Now it’s about Ukraine’s territorial integrity and independence and nobody in his right mind could have really believed back in 1939 that Nazi Germany wants to invade France and/or Britain if they did not oppose Nazi Germany on issues of vital importance, such as territorial expansion in the East.

  582. @LatW
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Overall, this “Poland wants a war with Russia” is a Western narration, absent from Poland itself.
     
    Exactly. It's a statement or assumption that strangely comes from both sides (some Westerners and many Russians).

    What Rasmussen is saying is very speculative at this point (I think this statement is a bit rushed). Either way, he's not talking about "entering the war" by NATO states, but about post-war security guarantees to Ukraine (a topic that is being actively discussed in Ukraine right now and in NATO before the NATO summit). This is based on the assumption that the majority of the Russian troops would've left the Ukrainian territory (or at least there would be no perspective of them advancing).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, Ukraine certainly needs extremely (extraordinarily) strong Western security guarantees, either within or outside of the NATO framework, since a lack of such guarantees helped lead to the current war with Russia. Legally binding NATO security guarantees to Ukraine would go a very long way towards ensuring that Russia would never try invading Ukraine again in order to acquire Ukraine’s human capital for itself (like Anatoly Karlin wanted and probably still wants Russia to do).

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    If anything, this stupid Russian inspired war proves that you can certainly catch more bees with honey than with s__t. When Karlin pointed out that many Ukrainians were moving to Russia to acquire higher paying jobs, I let him know that this was the proper response in Russia's quest to neutralize or win over Ukraine and Ukrainians. Bombing civilian hospitals, transport hubs, apartment buildings etc and stealing children will not endear Ukraine to Russia, for a very long time to come. And think about it Mr. XYZ, Russia was poised to start NS2 into operation at about the same time they decided to invade Ukraine. Look at the foolish saps today, no doubt soon to run out of money, whereas if they had just decided to remain more docile, their coffers would be hanging low with fresh cash today, that could have been used to better themselves and perhaps Ukrainians too. Not only shooting themselves in the foot, but it looks like in their brain too...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    Yep, having Russia open its doors wide open to Ukrainians in 2014 and beyond instead of invading Ukraine in both 2014 and this year would have been an astronomically better move on Russia's part. No Western sanctions on Russia in such a scenario as well. I deeply regret my prior (pre-2022) support for Russia's moves in Crimea and Donbass in 2014 since they paved the way for the current unjustifiable war. Russia should have just stayed out of Ukraine both in 2014 and in 2022.

    Winner countries attract additional human capital to their countries by opening their borders wide open to high-quality human capital. This is what the US did for much of its history (albeit often not widely enough). Ditto for Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Israel did the same thing for Ashkenazi Jews and their close relatives and descendants (non-Ashkenazi Jews also moved to Israel en masse, but they're on average of much lower human capital). It's only loser countries that seek to conquer other countries *against their will* in order to acquire their human capital. (The Confederacy definitely deserved to lose the ACW, but because it was a notorious human rights abuser, not because the Union was "entitled" to its human capital.)

    From a human capital perspective, it also makes strong sense for the West and the EU to expand into Ukraine, especially considering that Ukrainians themselves also want this. Would result in more human capital for the West and thus in a stronger West.

    Interestingly enough, Anatoly Karlin rejected the idea of conquering Ukraine several years ago:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/31-steps-for-ukraine/


    Reunification through military means was ruled out – probably permanently – in May 2014, when Putin recognized Poroshenko as the legitimately elected President of the Ukraine. While certain nationalists, including on this blog, still entertain fantasies about invading the Ukraine and ruling it like a Reichskommissariat, that would be worse than just immoral – it would almost certainly fail, since it buys into the narrative that Ukrainians can only become Russians at the point of a gun. “There is no compulsion in religion”, as the Muslims say.
     
    Before the invasion, though, he changed his mind about this, unfortunately, and with tragic consequences for the Ukrainians. Thankfully they were able to repulse the Russian attack, though, albeit at great cost to them. :(
  583. With the Ukrainian spring counteroffensive finally in full swing in the South the question is: has the Russian regular army used all this time when the Wagner irregulars took the brunt of the action to prepare solid defenses in Zaporizhia/Donetsk or is this going to be a repetition of last year’s Kherson counteroffensive?

    It’s too early to tell but my money is on the Ukrainians eventually breaching the Russian defenses. That the Kherson attack was coming was as obvious then as the current attack is now and the Russians had months to prepare a solid plan of defense but clearly failed. Wagner’s chief himself, who is in a position to know, is the first to have no confidence in the General Staff.

    The very fact that we’re all (including the pro-Russian accounts) discussing what the outcome of the Ukrainian offensive will be one year and a half after Russia failed to take Kiev inspires little confidence in Russia’s strength.

  584. @Wokechoke
    @AP

    To see Panzers in the Steppe again is a little alarming.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Not as alarming as last time, it is Kherson all over again.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LondonBob

    Strelkov says the Ukrainian offensive has been a costly failure thus far. He's usually pretty reliable.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  585. Francoist regime actually promoted libtardism in the long term by censoring and oppressing things that were common place among Spain’s neighbors and this had a boomerang effect when the regime ended and people were free again to express themselves. Many went to the opposite extreme.

    Something pretty similar happened in Catholic Ireland & Quebec.

    The more NS-like factions of the Falange lost influence to the National-Catholic sector of the regime

    IIRC – it’s been a while since I read about this – the Falange’s position within Franco’s government waned with Nazi Germany’s. When they were winning Franco moved more in their direction – though ridiculous demands from Hitler for one of the Canary Islands after the war prevented an agreement to attack the British in Gibraltar. When the Allies got the upper hand Franco started distancing himself from Germany and the Falange became minor players. This is a good book on the subject.

    Unlike most people of my political leanings I don’t think German domination of Europe would’ve lasted long after Hitler. The Nazis other than Hitler were pretty unimpressive. Reading Mark Mazowar’s book Hitler’s Empire those charged with ruling over conquests were not just unimpressive but not even idealistic Nazis. Often they were incompetent, corrupt and self-serving. They were, however, fully capable of alienating even nations that initially welcomed their liberation from communism. If Hitler had won, then died before accomplishing his goals the backlash against the Right (and Germans as a people) might have been far worse than what actually happened.

  586. @Mikel
    @Mikel

    Another thing to consider is that the seeds of libtardism were present in Spain quite early on. Many Spanish Republicans were pretty extreme even for early 20th century standards. Hence the civil war. During the war there were libertarian/anarcho-communist experiments with free love and abolition of state structures along with massacres of nuns and priests.

    Replies: @Matra

    From an outsider’s perspective Catalans seem like the worst libtards in Europe and have been for the last century.

    • Agree: Mikel
  587. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Yeah, Ukraine certainly needs extremely (extraordinarily) strong Western security guarantees, either within or outside of the NATO framework, since a lack of such guarantees helped lead to the current war with Russia. Legally binding NATO security guarantees to Ukraine would go a very long way towards ensuring that Russia would never try invading Ukraine again in order to acquire Ukraine's human capital for itself (like Anatoly Karlin wanted and probably still wants Russia to do).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    If anything, this stupid Russian inspired war proves that you can certainly catch more bees with honey than with s__t. When Karlin pointed out that many Ukrainians were moving to Russia to acquire higher paying jobs, I let him know that this was the proper response in Russia’s quest to neutralize or win over Ukraine and Ukrainians. Bombing civilian hospitals, transport hubs, apartment buildings etc and stealing children will not endear Ukraine to Russia, for a very long time to come. And think about it Mr. XYZ, Russia was poised to start NS2 into operation at about the same time they decided to invade Ukraine. Look at the foolish saps today, no doubt soon to run out of money, whereas if they had just decided to remain more docile, their coffers would be hanging low with fresh cash today, that could have been used to better themselves and perhaps Ukrainians too. Not only shooting themselves in the foot, but it looks like in their brain too…

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    I have replied to you on post #600 here. Please check out what I wrote.

  588. German_reader stole my thunder again.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Matra

    Clearly a case of "great minds think alike".
    But your comment wasn't superfluous, I haven't read that particular book by Payne about Spanish-German relations you mentioned. Probably the best one can recommend about the subject (Payne is always interesting).

  589. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    ...You have not been there?
     
    I have, mostly very poor...but nice mountains and nature.

    Eurasia is not a racial category...as Azhiopa.
     
    You wrote 'Eurasian beast' and 'zhopa' (?)....if that is not racism, what would be? You are what I said you were: a frustrated Nazi odjebok. Wear it with pride...:)

    How many catastrophic wars can you wannabe Nazis loose before we get rid of you?

    Replies: @AP

    Eurasia is not a racial category…as Azhiopa.

    You wrote ‘Eurasian beast‘ and ‘zhopa’ (?)….if that is not racism, what would be

    Eurasia is not a race. The Nazis whom your people chose to serve were also beasts. Is that a racist thing to say?

    You have spent too much time in America, it shows in your instinctive whining about “racism.”

    You are what I said you were: a frustrated Nazi odjebok

    Don’t project. Nazi loss was good for my family.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    Let me get this, you are saying that the Russians are beasts like the Nazis?

    Everybody knows what you sickos mean when you repeat the Nazi language of "Asiats" or "Eurasians" - don't pretend otherwise.

    Your constant analogies to your suffering US homeland are besides the point - we don't think that way. You imported your African slave population, and now you are importing the rest of the Third World - all for the holy grail of "cheap labor". Then you have to live with the consequences.

    None of it is of much interest to the rest of us - your inability to think through what you are doing and willingness to sacrifice your children's future for the temporary vision of higher profits ("cheaper labor") is your own problem. Don't export it.

    I am pointing to your more immediate racist language that Ukies-Poles are in the habit of using when attacking Russians. It has nothing to do with "America", it is sour grapes by wanna-be "Western" poseurs - you are clearly one of them. The fact that Russians in WW2 saved your family hide - and your cosmic ingratitude for it - only shows your low character.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

  590. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    If Irving is correct, Hitler was quite exasperated with the clerical turn that the Francoist regime took when the Civil War ended. The more NS-like factions of the Falange lost influence to the National-Catholic sector of the regime. In fact, Franco never joined the Axis.
     
    It's true that there were some fundamental tensions between Franco's regime and Nazi Germany (e. g. Franco seems to have been somewhat disturbed by Germany's attack on Poland, whose regime with its military and Catholic imprint he regarded as a kindred system to his own). However those tensions can also be exaggerated. According to Stanley Payne's biography (and Payne isn't totally unsympathetic to Franco, but rather fair imo) Franco would very much have liked to join WW2 on the Axis side, in the hope it would make Spain a great power again (he was also anti-British, still sour over the loss of the Armada I guess), it's just that Spain was still reeling from the effects of the civil war, and a fairly weak power anyway, so he never felt the moment was quite right. Germany also wasn't willing to offer him the parts of French colonial North Africa he coveted for fear of offending the Vichy French. Still, even as it was there was some logistical support for the German war effort (iirc German submarines could use Spanish harbours), and of course the Blue Division sent to the eastern front. The decisive break really came only in 1943, when it was becoming increasingly clear that Germany was going to lose the war. It was then that the more openly fascist elements of the regime began to be discarded as part of the preparation for the post-war era (though even despite that Spain was still internationally isolated in the first years after WW2, and there were certainly liberal Westerners who would have welcomed an intervention there).
    What would happened in case of a German victory, who knows. But of course Franco's world view was quite different from that of a neo-pagan, Nordicist lunatic like Himmler, that's certainly true.

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikel

    he was also anti-British, still sour over the loss of the Armada I guess)

    Not entirely incomprehensible. The Black Legend was still very much a contemporary phenomenon in the Anglosphere. I myself was assigned the “Pit and the Pendulum” in middle school.

    The Hollywood film The Sea Hawk (1940) made a thin comparison between Hitler and Spain. (Both unrealistic)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sea_Hawk_(1940_film)

    I will meet AP half-way and say it would have been interesting to see a few stories from the Spanish perspective. Francisco de Cuellar’s account, for instance, would have made a good movie, IMO. Though of course, things are so dire now, propaganda should focus on cooperation between Europeans.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    At least in part it was rooted not just in historical memories and cultural resentments, but also in hard power calculations. Britain hadn't yet been totally displaced as the dominant world power (at least in perception, in reality her position was already quite hollow), so opposition to British power was logical, if you wanted to pursue a revisionist programme of colonial expansion, as Franco would have liked to do. Maybe comparable to how Italy ended up on the German side in WW2.
    There's an updated version of a book by Geoffrey Parker about the Armada btw:
    https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/0300259867/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1686256569&refinements=p_27%3AGeoffrey+Parker+Colin+Martin&s=books&sr=1-1&text=Geoffrey+Parker+Colin+Martin
    If we don't get blown up over Ukraine, I might read that later this summer. Maybe a nice distraction from current concerns.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @RSDB
    @songbird

    Franco can't have been all that anti-British; he was taking English-language lessons when the Civil War broke out.

    It would have been Gibraltar that rankled for Spaniards at the time far more than the Armada anyway which was pretty far out of historical memory.

    , @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Better Baroque pianos in an Ibero-Germanic Europe
    vs
    The current Anglo-American regime.

    Although, the quality of fiddles has strangely improved..

    Replies: @songbird

  591. German_reader says:
    @Matra
    German_reader stole my thunder again.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Clearly a case of “great minds think alike”.
    But your comment wasn’t superfluous, I haven’t read that particular book by Payne about Spanish-German relations you mentioned. Probably the best one can recommend about the subject (Payne is always interesting).

  592. What makes a plain face, in scientific terms?

    Once knew a girl that I thought had a remarkably plain face. I emphasize it was not a typical or common face, but one which I thought was highly unusual, though no feature stood out. And, yet, at the same time, the face was not the slightest bit ugly.

    If plain is simply the ‘mid’ between ugliness and beauty, then why did her face seem so remarkably plain?

    Is it that it is rare to have all facial features simultaneously ‘mid’, and that is plain? That in the common woman there is a mix? Or is it something else? Are beauty and ugliness separate scales, rather than one combined?

    Does plain have an evolutionary purpose? And, if so, what is it?

  593. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    he was also anti-British, still sour over the loss of the Armada I guess)
     
    Not entirely incomprehensible. The Black Legend was still very much a contemporary phenomenon in the Anglosphere. I myself was assigned the "Pit and the Pendulum" in middle school.

    The Hollywood film The Sea Hawk (1940) made a thin comparison between Hitler and Spain. (Both unrealistic)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sea_Hawk_(1940_film)

    I will meet AP half-way and say it would have been interesting to see a few stories from the Spanish perspective. Francisco de Cuellar's account, for instance, would have made a good movie, IMO. Though of course, things are so dire now, propaganda should focus on cooperation between Europeans.

    Replies: @German_reader, @RSDB, @Sher Singh

    At least in part it was rooted not just in historical memories and cultural resentments, but also in hard power calculations. Britain hadn’t yet been totally displaced as the dominant world power (at least in perception, in reality her position was already quite hollow), so opposition to British power was logical, if you wanted to pursue a revisionist programme of colonial expansion, as Franco would have liked to do. Maybe comparable to how Italy ended up on the German side in WW2.
    There’s an updated version of a book by Geoffrey Parker about the Armada btw:

    If we don’t get blown up over Ukraine, I might read that later this summer. Maybe a nice distraction from current concerns.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @German_reader

    Are you familiar with 'Panhispanism'? (Hispanismo in Spanish, with the pan- prefix added in English to distinguish it from the academic study of the Spanish-speaking world.) Sort of a Spanish version of the British League of Empire Loyalists, but without the hard racialist motivation and with plenty of its notables hailing from outside Spain. According to them, the sole hope for Spain's salvation is to reorient the country towards its former colonies and decisively away from Europe. Payne's "In Defense of Spain" was welcomed by them - as it was by Spanish conservatives in general - but amusingly they feel Payne didn't go far enough in recognizing Spain's many unique excellences. It's also amusing to hear them very earnestly discuss the superiority of the Spanish empire to the British empire - as though setting the record straight here, before the entire world, were an issue requiring urgent action. (I actually think they have some good points, but they don't seem willing to let these stand on their own; the points are typically raised in comparison to the British empire.)

  594. @songbird
    @German_reader


    he was also anti-British, still sour over the loss of the Armada I guess)
     
    Not entirely incomprehensible. The Black Legend was still very much a contemporary phenomenon in the Anglosphere. I myself was assigned the "Pit and the Pendulum" in middle school.

    The Hollywood film The Sea Hawk (1940) made a thin comparison between Hitler and Spain. (Both unrealistic)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sea_Hawk_(1940_film)

    I will meet AP half-way and say it would have been interesting to see a few stories from the Spanish perspective. Francisco de Cuellar's account, for instance, would have made a good movie, IMO. Though of course, things are so dire now, propaganda should focus on cooperation between Europeans.

    Replies: @German_reader, @RSDB, @Sher Singh

    Franco can’t have been all that anti-British; he was taking English-language lessons when the Civil War broke out.

    It would have been Gibraltar that rankled for Spaniards at the time far more than the Armada anyway which was pretty far out of historical memory.

    • Agree: songbird
  595. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Yeah, Ukraine certainly needs extremely (extraordinarily) strong Western security guarantees, either within or outside of the NATO framework, since a lack of such guarantees helped lead to the current war with Russia. Legally binding NATO security guarantees to Ukraine would go a very long way towards ensuring that Russia would never try invading Ukraine again in order to acquire Ukraine's human capital for itself (like Anatoly Karlin wanted and probably still wants Russia to do).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    Yep, having Russia open its doors wide open to Ukrainians in 2014 and beyond instead of invading Ukraine in both 2014 and this year would have been an astronomically better move on Russia’s part. No Western sanctions on Russia in such a scenario as well. I deeply regret my prior (pre-2022) support for Russia’s moves in Crimea and Donbass in 2014 since they paved the way for the current unjustifiable war. Russia should have just stayed out of Ukraine both in 2014 and in 2022.

    Winner countries attract additional human capital to their countries by opening their borders wide open to high-quality human capital. This is what the US did for much of its history (albeit often not widely enough). Ditto for Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Israel did the same thing for Ashkenazi Jews and their close relatives and descendants (non-Ashkenazi Jews also moved to Israel en masse, but they’re on average of much lower human capital). It’s only loser countries that seek to conquer other countries *against their will* in order to acquire their human capital. (The Confederacy definitely deserved to lose the ACW, but because it was a notorious human rights abuser, not because the Union was “entitled” to its human capital.)

    From a human capital perspective, it also makes strong sense for the West and the EU to expand into Ukraine, especially considering that Ukrainians themselves also want this. Would result in more human capital for the West and thus in a stronger West.

    Interestingly enough, Anatoly Karlin rejected the idea of conquering Ukraine several years ago:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/31-steps-for-ukraine/

    Reunification through military means was ruled out – probably permanently – in May 2014, when Putin recognized Poroshenko as the legitimately elected President of the Ukraine. While certain nationalists, including on this blog, still entertain fantasies about invading the Ukraine and ruling it like a Reichskommissariat, that would be worse than just immoral – it would almost certainly fail, since it buys into the narrative that Ukrainians can only become Russians at the point of a gun. “There is no compulsion in religion”, as the Muslims say.

    Before the invasion, though, he changed his mind about this, unfortunately, and with tragic consequences for the Ukrainians. Thankfully they were able to repulse the Russian attack, though, albeit at great cost to them. 🙁

  596. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    If anything, this stupid Russian inspired war proves that you can certainly catch more bees with honey than with s__t. When Karlin pointed out that many Ukrainians were moving to Russia to acquire higher paying jobs, I let him know that this was the proper response in Russia's quest to neutralize or win over Ukraine and Ukrainians. Bombing civilian hospitals, transport hubs, apartment buildings etc and stealing children will not endear Ukraine to Russia, for a very long time to come. And think about it Mr. XYZ, Russia was poised to start NS2 into operation at about the same time they decided to invade Ukraine. Look at the foolish saps today, no doubt soon to run out of money, whereas if they had just decided to remain more docile, their coffers would be hanging low with fresh cash today, that could have been used to better themselves and perhaps Ukrainians too. Not only shooting themselves in the foot, but it looks like in their brain too...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I have replied to you on post #600 here. Please check out what I wrote.

  597. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Chips act and IRA are hardly positive from a EU perspective, even relatively mainstream voices have expressed concern the latter will hasten Europe's de-industrialization and incentivize companies to move to the US. Regarding chips act, it's another step on the way towards blocking European trade with China (e. g. this https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64897794 was clearly due to US pressure).
    But I suppose neither are much of a concern for Lithuania, it doesn't have any industries to lose after all and seems content with being an American attack dog, even eagerly inserting itself into the Taiwan issue.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Gravitation forces is also hardly positive from pedestrian perspective as it makes people sweat needlesly, instead of graciously letting everybody levitate effortlesly like Jesus on the water, but nevertheless it objectively exists;)

    Anyway, we have plenty of hallucinators around about the immediate US economy collapse, but things in reality evolving on the contrary, so it’s worth mentioning.

    Even if such reality being potentially buthurt inducing for the great european industrialists and their lobbyists, whom are apparently so cluelessly mindless, that cannot sweat a little bit and invent their own equivalents to chips act or IRA or just organise their strategic sectors without making them critically dependent on some specific markets;) If so, obviously they may be suffering in the future, but that’s just life.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death


    Anyway, we have plenty of hallucinators around about the immediate US economy collapse, but things in reality evolving on the contrary, so it’s worth mentioning.
     
    The only one who's going on here about the collapse of the US financial system is Greasy William (in typical fashion of that subset of US right-wingers who are obsessed with the gold standard), no idea who the "plenty of hallucinators" are supposed to be.

    If so, obviously they may be suffering in the future, but that’s just life.
     
    Haha, ok. When Germany and the rest of the core EU become de-industrialized, go ask the Americans for gibs then and see how far you'll get.
    I realize I must come across like an asshole, but whenever I read your comments, it feels like being stuck in some kind of time warp, like it's forever 1983 and Ronnie Reagan is heroically staring down the Evil Empire. Blessed are those for whom it's that simple.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @A123, @Sher Singh

  598. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Gravitation forces is also hardly positive from pedestrian perspective as it makes people sweat needlesly, instead of graciously letting everybody levitate effortlesly like Jesus on the water, but nevertheless it objectively exists;)

    Anyway, we have plenty of hallucinators around about the immediate US economy collapse, but things in reality evolving on the contrary, so it's worth mentioning.

    Even if such reality being potentially buthurt inducing for the great european industrialists and their lobbyists, whom are apparently so cluelessly mindless, that cannot sweat a little bit and invent their own equivalents to chips act or IRA or just organise their strategic sectors without making them critically dependent on some specific markets;) If so, obviously they may be suffering in the future, but that's just life.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Anyway, we have plenty of hallucinators around about the immediate US economy collapse, but things in reality evolving on the contrary, so it’s worth mentioning.

    The only one who’s going on here about the collapse of the US financial system is Greasy William (in typical fashion of that subset of US right-wingers who are obsessed with the gold standard), no idea who the “plenty of hallucinators” are supposed to be.

    If so, obviously they may be suffering in the future, but that’s just life.

    Haha, ok. When Germany and the rest of the core EU become de-industrialized, go ask the Americans for gibs then and see how far you’ll get.
    I realize I must come across like an asshole, but whenever I read your comments, it feels like being stuck in some kind of time warp, like it’s forever 1983 and Ronnie Reagan is heroically staring down the Evil Empire. Blessed are those for whom it’s that simple.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    You are writing something like America causes the liberal views in Europe? How does this make sense, today or historically, except in terms of technology transfer?*

    America is the only advanced developed country in the world, with a still religious population.

    In most political ways, Europe is a lot more liberal than America, so Joe Biden would be conservative politician in United Kingdom, Ireland, Spain, Sweden etc.

    America is a lot more conservative country than would be expected for its income or technology level, although partly this is related to the high regional inequality. So, elite areas of America like New England, Vermont etc are more similar to European views.

    European populations are very liberal in comparison to American, at least for the educated part of the population. I've never talked to a rightwing Western European? Have you actually met in real life?

    Also in terms of the intellectual ideas, the ideas popular with today's liberals in America and Europe, are from Europe.

    -

    With Russian liberals it's a bit different, because there is more popularity of a few American ideas. I.e. the most popular political ideology book in Russia is "Atlas Shrugged". It's because Russian liberalism is more like "neoliberalism" i.e. Republican Party.



    -

    *Because I would agree America is indirectly adding to the views, by technology transfer.History and views are changed by technology level of society and America is the main country changing the world's technology level.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts

    , @A123
    @German_reader


    Haha, ok. When Germany and the rest of the core EU become de-industrialized, go ask the Americans for gibs then and see how far you’ll get.
    I realize I must come across like an asshole
     
    No. Not that. You come across as misguided, possibly superficial.

    America is beginning gradual decoupling from CCP exploitation. A key element of this is MAGA Reindustrialization.

    Germany (and the rest of Europe) has a choice:
        • Remaining a CCP vassal
        • Reindustrialization & Asia decoupling
    Manufacturing jobs will not be lost to America. They will be lost to the CCP.

    Bigly emotional "Blame America" rhetoric does not yield anything constructive. Progressive Europe's problem is Europe. Germany's problem is Germany. Christian America does not defeat AfD. Germans do. Your destiny is in YOUR hands. Stop blaming us. It is bad for both you & us.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Sher Singh
    @German_reader


    go ask the Americans for gibs then and see how far you’ll get.
     
    American gibs come with the * of giving your women to blacks - which Mr Hack likes.

    Liberalism also drew on the Scientific Revolution (universalist in a more direct sense than Christianity) and economic theories that advocated taking advantage of what had traditionally been regarded as vices to increase peace and prosperity via commerce.
     
    Been thinking of this - the utility of science as a philosophy vs a Pagan worldview.
    I see a tree when driving - do I think of it carrying the spirit of the Gods or of photosynthesis?

    I guess, that's really just a test of autism.

    ਅਕਾਲ
  599. @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    Also, not hard to imagine Ukrainian war vets fifty years from now lamenting as David Irving says of British WWII vets that if they could’ve time-travelled to the end of the century to see what had become of their country
     
    My English grandfather was in the British army 1940-1946. He died in the early 1990s, so before the post-1997 deluge, but he absolutely hated the Pakis who were spreading even back then in his hometown. So yes, it's not just something David Irving or similar people are making up.
    More generally, while I don't think "Hitler was right" is a position one should adopt, it's becoming harder and harder to see how Nazi Europe could have been worse in the long run for Western Europeans at least than what this liberal system we're living in is leading to. By the end of this century Britain and France won't exist in any recognizable way anymore, which goes well beyond what the Nazis were likely to do regarding them. Could there be a more damning indictment of "liberal democracy" than this?
    Of course the perspective of Poles, Russians etc. is bound to be different, for very legitimate reasons. But on the other hand, we're now being treated to the spectacle of militant Westerners (all good liberals, presumably all pro-faggotry and good "antiracists") calling Russians collectively "orcs" and salivating at fantasies of breaking up Russia into dozens of statelets. So maybe even in that regard "liberal democracy" and its defenders aren't quite what they're made out to be.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sean, @Coconuts, @Another Polish Perspective

    By the end of this century Britain and France won’t exist in any recognizable way anymore, which goes well beyond what the Nazis were likely to do regarding them.

    Supposing the Nazis had ruled Britain and France how long would that have lasted? Till now?

  600. @LondonBob
    @Wokechoke

    Not as alarming as last time, it is Kherson all over again.



    https://twitter.com/MikaelValterss1/status/1666848455262609408?s=20

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Strelkov says the Ukrainian offensive has been a costly failure thus far. He’s usually pretty reliable.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William

    Give it some more time and we shall see.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  601. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    If Irving is correct, Hitler was quite exasperated with the clerical turn that the Francoist regime took when the Civil War ended. The more NS-like factions of the Falange lost influence to the National-Catholic sector of the regime. In fact, Franco never joined the Axis.
     
    It's true that there were some fundamental tensions between Franco's regime and Nazi Germany (e. g. Franco seems to have been somewhat disturbed by Germany's attack on Poland, whose regime with its military and Catholic imprint he regarded as a kindred system to his own). However those tensions can also be exaggerated. According to Stanley Payne's biography (and Payne isn't totally unsympathetic to Franco, but rather fair imo) Franco would very much have liked to join WW2 on the Axis side, in the hope it would make Spain a great power again (he was also anti-British, still sour over the loss of the Armada I guess), it's just that Spain was still reeling from the effects of the civil war, and a fairly weak power anyway, so he never felt the moment was quite right. Germany also wasn't willing to offer him the parts of French colonial North Africa he coveted for fear of offending the Vichy French. Still, even as it was there was some logistical support for the German war effort (iirc German submarines could use Spanish harbours), and of course the Blue Division sent to the eastern front. The decisive break really came only in 1943, when it was becoming increasingly clear that Germany was going to lose the war. It was then that the more openly fascist elements of the regime began to be discarded as part of the preparation for the post-war era (though even despite that Spain was still internationally isolated in the first years after WW2, and there were certainly liberal Westerners who would have welcomed an intervention there).
    What would happened in case of a German victory, who knows. But of course Franco's world view was quite different from that of a neo-pagan, Nordicist lunatic like Himmler, that's certainly true.

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikel

    he was also anti-British, still sour over the loss of the Armada I guess

    He probably was lol. To this day you find Spaniards on the net claiming that the Invincible expedition was defeated by the natural elements, rather than the British fleet. There may be some element of truth in that but it wasn’t the natural elements that made Spain decline while Britain went on to rule the waves. In case of any doubt, the thorn of Gibraltar inserted in Spain’s nether parts has for centuries been a reminder of who’s who.

    Franco’s world view was quite different from that of a neo-pagan, Nordicist lunatic like Himmler

    Indeed. And the Nordicist element would have also likely played a part in a Nazi-dominated Europe. Apparently, Hitler’s anti-Slav ideas stemmed from the fact that Slavs were the non-Germanic populations he was most familiar with since his days in Vienna. He talked about that in Mein Kampf. But I guess a Nazi domination of Europe should have driven Nordicism to its logical conclusion wrt to the North-South divide too.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mikel


    But I guess a Nazi domination of Europe should have driven Nordicism to its logical conclusion wrt to the North-South divide too.
     
    Certainly can't be excluded, though I'm not sure, there were no plans for German settlement in southern Europe after all (at least I don't know of any). tbh (and I don't meant that as criticism of you personally, rather as a general observation) to some extent such speculation seems to me grounded in post-war attempts by former German allies to distance themselves from that tainted association and argue that they too were victims of Germans, or would eventually have become such. This is very evident with Italy, where even today you find arguments that Italian fascism was something categorically different from Nazism and was only allied with it almost by accident (though there also seems to be a recent historiographical trend which instead emphasizes the commonalities of the two regimes, how they learned from and interacted with each other, one of a kind, though obviously Germany was the much more extreme case).
    It's definitely true though that the character of Nazi racial ideology precluded any genuinely pan-European cooperation.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  602. @Yahya
    @GR + Matra

    You make some good points.

    I think the equation can be reformulated thusly:

    Urban Prosperity + Christian Morality + Hegemonic Order = Asabiyah

    Would a Hegemonic Nazi Germany been sufficient to counterbalance the forces of urban prosperity and Christian morality in softening the European polity?

    People’s answer to this counterfactual will depend on judgement and instincts.

    But I should note that Japan and Korea are also under American hegemony, and are comparable in prosperity to Southern Europe, but have not undergone the same trajectory.

    Points to Christian morality/universalism playing a key role.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts

    Points to Christian morality/universalism playing a key role.

    At the moment I am sceptical about explanations relying too heavily on Christianity in itself.

    A few reasons for this:

    Looking back to early liberalism, around the time of Locke and Tolland, they were interested in rationalistic and deistic versions of Christianity that eliminated as much revealed and supernatural content as feasible. One of the concerns was the scale of intractable sectarian violence that had followed the Reformation and reducing the possibility of that in the future.

    Iirc many of the Enlightenment figures had this sort of concern. It was a big criticism of Christianity that was regularly heard until a year or two ago, that it was too divisive and likely to promote conflict.

    Liberalism also drew on the Scientific Revolution (universalist in a more direct sense than Christianity) and economic theories that advocated taking advantage of what had traditionally been regarded as vices to increase peace and prosperity via commerce.

    There is another critique of this, in one older history of political theory I was reading the author dates universalist ideas about human brotherhood back to the Hellenistic era and Stoic philosophy, describes them being repeated by pagan Romans, informing the development of Roman Law and so on. More or less the same ideas end being repeated through the Dark Ages and Medieval era, at a time when the ethnogenesis of a number of current European nations was taking place.

    So I think that stronger arguments are needed for the idea. Some account should be taken of the way Church leaders have been really preoccupied since the 50s with trying to make Christianity more inclusive and less sectarian. This is because of criticism of its role before 1945, based on criticism that had been going on since the Enlightenment.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Been making a minor study of the Church in Ireland from about 1640-1700, to try to make sense of some genealogical lead. Don't know if anything scientific can be said, due to the lack of records and my superficial reading of the ones I have access to. But what I've found seems surprising to me.

    Many bishops seem to have been closely related to aristocrats, as well as to each other, both across time and space. Noble blood was judged to be an asset in appointments, both for the political connections and for the possibility of a family subsidy. Many bishops lived with their close (aristocratic) relatives, sometimes splitting time between relatives. One Irish college in France only took candidates from a certain province.

    I've seen a remarkable concentration of names among priests and church officers, which suggests that at least a shadow of clans survived directly inside the Church into early penal times.

    All in all, if it can be taken as reflecting the traditional state of the church, then it seems extremely alien to modern conceptions of it.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Coconuts, @German_reader

  603. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Better hurry, before the grime and machine oil runoff reaches the few open and operating beaches left.

    The plan to save true-blue Russian DNA within the Russian world runs afoul in Southern Ukraine. It would appear that even Karlin is beginning to see the folly of Triunism in the 21st century? The erosion of "pure" DNA is inevitable in the world today. On the bright side, I hear that the mixture of East Slavic DNA with (French?) Gaelic genes can produce some wonderful offspring.....

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

    However, as an Odessite lady friend of mine told me a couple of months ago: ” Проблема в том, что этот Русский Мир и не мир и не русский “.

  604. @German_reader
    @sudden death


    Anyway, we have plenty of hallucinators around about the immediate US economy collapse, but things in reality evolving on the contrary, so it’s worth mentioning.
     
    The only one who's going on here about the collapse of the US financial system is Greasy William (in typical fashion of that subset of US right-wingers who are obsessed with the gold standard), no idea who the "plenty of hallucinators" are supposed to be.

    If so, obviously they may be suffering in the future, but that’s just life.
     
    Haha, ok. When Germany and the rest of the core EU become de-industrialized, go ask the Americans for gibs then and see how far you'll get.
    I realize I must come across like an asshole, but whenever I read your comments, it feels like being stuck in some kind of time warp, like it's forever 1983 and Ronnie Reagan is heroically staring down the Evil Empire. Blessed are those for whom it's that simple.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @A123, @Sher Singh

    You are writing something like America causes the liberal views in Europe? How does this make sense, today or historically, except in terms of technology transfer?*

    America is the only advanced developed country in the world, with a still religious population.

    In most political ways, Europe is a lot more liberal than America, so Joe Biden would be conservative politician in United Kingdom, Ireland, Spain, Sweden etc.

    America is a lot more conservative country than would be expected for its income or technology level, although partly this is related to the high regional inequality. So, elite areas of America like New England, Vermont etc are more similar to European views.

    European populations are very liberal in comparison to American, at least for the educated part of the population. I’ve never talked to a rightwing Western European? Have you actually met in real life?

    Also in terms of the intellectual ideas, the ideas popular with today’s liberals in America and Europe, are from Europe.

    With Russian liberals it’s a bit different, because there is more popularity of a few American ideas. I.e. the most popular political ideology book in Russia is “Atlas Shrugged”. It’s because Russian liberalism is more like “neoliberalism” i.e. Republican Party.

    *Because I would agree America is indirectly adding to the views, by technology transfer.History and views are changed by technology level of society and America is the main country changing the world’s technology level.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    I’ve never talked to a rightwing Western European? Have you actually met in real life?
     
    You also claim that all Poles are embarrassed by the PiS government, yet 50% (or at least close to that) of the country votes for them in elections.
    Maybe your acquaintances (presumably well-educated professionals in higher income brackets) are representative of only a subset of the population?
    Right-wingers also tend to keep their opinions to themselves, unless they know the person they're talking to has similar views.

    Also in terms of the intellectual ideas, the ideas popular with today’s liberals in America and Europe, are from Europe.
     
    I think I once mentioned that a few years ago I "removed" some BLM posters. Do you think BLM originated in Europe?
    Can't even imagine what you could possibly mean by European ideas popular with American liberals (unless you want to go way back and claim it's all due to the Frankfurt school and other emigres).

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    , @Coconuts
    @Dmitry

    I guess it is because some of Liberalism's major ideological competitors, Communism and Socialism from the left, Fascism, Nationalism and Monarchism from the right, have been much weaker in America historically.

    American politics seems to have centred on right wing liberals vs. centrist liberals, with anything else marginal. (Though there may be some change now).

    It seems pretty certain that US power has strengthened Liberal factions in European politics to the detriment of the others.

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  605. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    What does it mean for you Dima?

    Replies: @Dmitry

    If you ask my view of this introduction to film, not in the artistic view, but as matching to human history?

    I agree with this introduction, technology change is cause or route of significant human history.

    Most of historical descriptions are not important changes of patterns on the surface of water, caused by underwater movements of the technological change, which is the real cause of the changes.

    But, this science fiction is adding the “ancient astronaut hypothesis” as cause of human technology. If you viewed this as a not artistic, it would be an unnecessary assumption, as the film already gives a good motivation for the technological development of the apes – to kill each other and steal the meat, without needing the “Monolith” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolith_(Space_Odyssey)).

    Why “ancient astronaut hypothesis” is in the culture? I think it’s the only way to access again to ancient myths. If say the old myths are “poetic” (as discussed with LatW in earlier month), it’s another way to say they are useless.

    While in Joe Rogan and History Channels “Ancient Aliens”, it’s a lot more exciting. They are saying the myths are actually historical descriptions of reality.

    So, I feel it is organically popular. But, popular with netizens, is a theory this is astroturfed by the government to the popular media, as a normalization of “real history” etc, first presenting with a comic sense, later from more serious people.

  606. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader


    he was also anti-British, still sour over the loss of the Armada I guess
     
    He probably was lol. To this day you find Spaniards on the net claiming that the Invincible expedition was defeated by the natural elements, rather than the British fleet. There may be some element of truth in that but it wasn't the natural elements that made Spain decline while Britain went on to rule the waves. In case of any doubt, the thorn of Gibraltar inserted in Spain's nether parts has for centuries been a reminder of who's who.

    Franco’s world view was quite different from that of a neo-pagan, Nordicist lunatic like Himmler
     
    Indeed. And the Nordicist element would have also likely played a part in a Nazi-dominated Europe. Apparently, Hitler's anti-Slav ideas stemmed from the fact that Slavs were the non-Germanic populations he was most familiar with since his days in Vienna. He talked about that in Mein Kampf. But I guess a Nazi domination of Europe should have driven Nordicism to its logical conclusion wrt to the North-South divide too.

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    But I guess a Nazi domination of Europe should have driven Nordicism to its logical conclusion wrt to the North-South divide too.

    Certainly can’t be excluded, though I’m not sure, there were no plans for German settlement in southern Europe after all (at least I don’t know of any). tbh (and I don’t meant that as criticism of you personally, rather as a general observation) to some extent such speculation seems to me grounded in post-war attempts by former German allies to distance themselves from that tainted association and argue that they too were victims of Germans, or would eventually have become such. This is very evident with Italy, where even today you find arguments that Italian fascism was something categorically different from Nazism and was only allied with it almost by accident (though there also seems to be a recent historiographical trend which instead emphasizes the commonalities of the two regimes, how they learned from and interacted with each other, one of a kind, though obviously Germany was the much more extreme case).
    It’s definitely true though that the character of Nazi racial ideology precluded any genuinely pan-European cooperation.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @German_reader


    This is very evident with Italy, where even today you find arguments that Italian fascism was something categorically different from Nazism and was only allied with it almost by accident (though there also seems to be a recent historiographical trend which instead emphasizes the commonalities of the two regimes, how they learned from and interacted with each other, one of a kind, though obviously Germany was the much more extreme case).
     
    There are cases like Carl Schmitt's that may point at the differences, in 1933 he was 'Hitler's jurist' then it seems like after 1936 he had to keep a low profile after the SS decided he was a crypto-Catholic and a Hegelian who was not serious about anti-Semitism. Crypto-Catholic, Hegelian and low interest in anti-Semitism would accurately describe Giovanni Gentile, Italian Fascism's main philosopher and ideologist.

    Sternhell, the Franco-Israeli historian points out the number of Jews involved in Italian Fascism in the early period (Mussolini had a Jewish intellectual as a mistress who helped him with ideology), and the influence of more crypto-Catholic revolutionary syndicalists, Marxist-nationalists and so on. I guess from the Nazi point of view this would have been too left-wing and Jewish.

    In one way these are certainly Byzantine arguments among far-right factions who did share a lot of other things in common, but these sort of things may be where some of the arguments about Nazi-Fascism differences are coming from. I haven't got around to reading anything about the 'racial' turn in Fascism in the later 30s yet though to see what sorts of changes it involved.

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  607. Apparently, Hitler’s anti-Slav ideas stemmed from the fact that Slavs were the non-Germanic populations he was most familiar with since his days in Vienna

    I’m almost finished Hitler: Only The World Was Enough by Anglo-Irish historian Brendan Simms. He argues that Hitler believed the Anglo-Saxons, not the ‘Judeo-Bolshevist’ Soviets, were his main enemies. In general he makes a decent enough case that Hitler most feared the British and Americans due to an inferiority complex towards the Eternal Anglo, but there are a number of problems I have with his arguments. One of the them is his insistence throughout the book that Hitler only became anti-Slav in the late 1930s when two of the Slav nations (Czechs & Poles) became associated in Hitler’s mind with the foreign policy goals of the British, his main geopolitical enemy. In other words it was nothing personal against Slavs, it’s just that the Brits could use Slavic interests to undermine German interests. I’m pretty sure Brigitte Hamann in her book about Hitler’s Vienna years provides evidence that he was already very anti-Czech back in his Vienna days, but it’s been over a decade since I read it and my copy of that book is on the other side of the Atlantic so I can’t, uh,’Czech’ her sources.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Matra


    One of the them is his insistence throughout the book that Hitler only became anti-Slav in the late 1930s when two of the Slav nations (Czechs & Poles) became associated in Hitler’s mind with the foreign policy goals of the British
     
    I don't understand this argument, does Simms deny that Hitler's central foreign policy goal was a war of conquest against the Soviet Union? It's probably true that originally he would have preferred to enlist Poland as an ally in such an enterprise, but planning to conquer Russia and exploit her ressources with no regard for the interests of the "natives" already looks seriously "anti-Slav" just taken by itself.
    From reviews of Simms' book I got the impression he makes much of Hitler's Zweites Buch. I've read Zweites Buch, and while it's true Hitler mentions American industrial power and its potential consequences for Germany in it, it's not nearly the dominant theme I had expected it to be. Haven't read Simms' book (and doubt I will any time soon), so I may of course be wrong, but his argument seems a bit forced to me.

    Replies: @Matra

    , @Mikel
    @Matra


    One of the them is his insistence throughout the book that Hitler only became anti-Slav in the late 1930s
     
    Well, I have read Mein Kampf a couple of times, one of them an original edition in German from the 30s, and it was all there in the 20s already: Hitler's anti-Slav and anti-Jewish sentiments and his vision of a German expansion to the East. I'm not sure how anyone can doubt a direct line between what Hitler wrote in 1924 and he did in 1939.

    Years ago I devoted some time to reading about Nazi Germany from original sources and the general impression I got is that the Nazis set quite destructive forces in motion that, left to their own devices, would have caused an even bigger catastrophe in Europe than the one that actually happened. I remember Nazi officials discussing among them how some Germans had some undesirable "westisch" racial influences or how the people who were being deported to Germany from Slavic countries were of a better stock than the Germans themselves in the towns where they were being settled. Once you start a racial purity program in the context of mass murders, sterilization programs and population displacements it's difficult to imagine who would have been spared in the end.

    On the other hand, there were plenty of pragmatic elements in the Nazi enterprise as well, as shown by their alliances with some Slavic and even non-European countries, such as the Japanese, so perhaps it would all have winded down after the war and a more moderate form of Nazism would have ensued.

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  608. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    A perceptive post as usual.


    Internally, some Polish elites lust after the long gone glories of the Rzeczpospolita Polska and would want to establish themselves as the principal nexus of power in the Eastern Europe
     
    Sure, there is some Romanticism about that. But also, it’s the realization that the small nations stuck between Eurasia and Germany need to stick together. The fact that many of them are related and share a common history helps. Poland is the largest, richest and most highly developed of these so it will naturally play a leadership role (at least this generation) but it’s population is not such that would enable it to dominate in the way that a Russia or a Germany would.

    The Anglosphere would wish to build up the Intermarium bulwark preventing the Chinese OBOR from ever securely connecting Old Europe to the Sinosphere.

    Most importantly, Old Europe doesn’t want a new center of power in the Eastern Europe. Replacing RusFed with the Ukrainian-Polish-Baltic Intermarium confederation is not something that would be in their interest
     
    You are somewhat mistaken here.

    Before Putin's reckless invasion there was an idea that Germany might cooperate with Russia and dominate Europe. Schroeder and Merkel both pursued policies supporting this idea. I suspect it would have continued had Russia taken Kiev in a week. France was the on board. Intermarim and the Anglo world were of course opposed.

    Now however everyone is on the same page regarding Russia as an unacceptable partner, an enemy.

    But there is still a intraEuropean split. The Biden administration seems to want to see Germany as Europe’s leader. Intermarium does not. And it seems that France, unwilling to be dominated by Germany, may be on Intermarium’s side now (UK probably also wants to keep a balance of power within Europe). It’s a subtle sort of rivalry among friends and allies, like between Germany and Austria during World War I. It does not interfere with the goal shared by everyone to stop brutal Russian aggression and expansion.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    Now however everyone is on the same page regarding Russia as an unacceptable partner, an enemy.

    It is not about Russia anymore, AP. And what Russia? The last somewhat credible iteration of Russia lost the war in 1922. There is no more Russia since that very moment. RusFed is not Russia and the Noviop RusFed is also slowly but surely going the way of the dodo bird. К ним пришёл пушистый, упитанный полярный лис, if you see what I mean. And this time it is probably terminal.

    It is quite possible that in a couple of generations there would be no one strong enough left standing between Ukraine and Central Asia / China. Like in the old Soviet joke : “На Китайско – финской границе всё спокойно“.

    Would it be better for Ukraine and Poland whose population by then would be around 50% lower than today ?

    Rhetorical question. And anyway, I don’t think that by the end of this century there would be Poland or Ukraine left either. We are already one foot into the Singularity, the pace of change is accelerating. The world might well become unrecognizable.

    Things fall apart, the center cannot hold…

    We do live in interesting times.

  609. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    You are writing something like America causes the liberal views in Europe? How does this make sense, today or historically, except in terms of technology transfer?*

    America is the only advanced developed country in the world, with a still religious population.

    In most political ways, Europe is a lot more liberal than America, so Joe Biden would be conservative politician in United Kingdom, Ireland, Spain, Sweden etc.

    America is a lot more conservative country than would be expected for its income or technology level, although partly this is related to the high regional inequality. So, elite areas of America like New England, Vermont etc are more similar to European views.

    European populations are very liberal in comparison to American, at least for the educated part of the population. I've never talked to a rightwing Western European? Have you actually met in real life?

    Also in terms of the intellectual ideas, the ideas popular with today's liberals in America and Europe, are from Europe.

    -

    With Russian liberals it's a bit different, because there is more popularity of a few American ideas. I.e. the most popular political ideology book in Russia is "Atlas Shrugged". It's because Russian liberalism is more like "neoliberalism" i.e. Republican Party.



    -

    *Because I would agree America is indirectly adding to the views, by technology transfer.History and views are changed by technology level of society and America is the main country changing the world's technology level.

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    I’ve never talked to a rightwing Western European? Have you actually met in real life?

    You also claim that all Poles are embarrassed by the PiS government, yet 50% (or at least close to that) of the country votes for them in elections.
    Maybe your acquaintances (presumably well-educated professionals in higher income brackets) are representative of only a subset of the population?
    Right-wingers also tend to keep their opinions to themselves, unless they know the person they’re talking to has similar views.

    Also in terms of the intellectual ideas, the ideas popular with today’s liberals in America and Europe, are from Europe.

    I think I once mentioned that a few years ago I “removed” some BLM posters. Do you think BLM originated in Europe?
    Can’t even imagine what you could possibly mean by European ideas popular with American liberals (unless you want to go way back and claim it’s all due to the Frankfurt school and other emigres).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    possibly mean by European ideas popular with American liberals
     
    Most of the normal American liberals want America to copy Europe. Liberal television in America is usually talking how Europe is more civilized than America, which is not completely irrational.

    New York Times, is always writing articles how civilized Netherlands or Sweden compared to America.

    But more extreme American liberal ideology is soft version of Edward Said, Fanon, Foucault, Hegel, Marx, Rousseau. They import their ideas from Europe.

    -

    If you think about which of the political demographics, enjoys local American writers? It's the Republican Party.

    Writers like Emerson, are important for the people who want to live in the forest "offgrid". Writers like Founding Fathers, are important for the American constitutionalism movement, which is part of the Republican Party.

    The American writers were in 18th/19th century category liberals, but it's today popular for conservatives.


    representative of only a subset of the population?
     
    Surely, the socially right-wing Western Europeans are existing, as can be viewed with some results in the local elections. But except economic right-wing, it's not the representatives of the mainstream culture, as you can see the local fashions in Europe, what kinds of flags they like in public buildings etc.

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    , @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    Right-wingers also tend to keep their opinions to themselves, unless they know the person they’re talking to has similar views.
     
    Not even "know," actually, just suspect can be enough. About a decade ago I met a couple of German cargo ship crewmen in town for the weekend (or however long it takes). I'm pretty sure I didn't give any direct signals about how I really felt about, uh, "our issues," but shortly after one of them was talking about some negative consequence (I forget what) in contemporary German society "... if you're white." After indicating that I understood their feelings, they went on to share much more. One of them noticed the beer I was drinking, and went and bought a round for us, and I asked him how you say "cheers" in German and the other guy answered, "sieg heil." I took it as a joke, but it also took me aback a bit. I mean, there's 'racism' and then there's racism, and at the time I had only recently backed into the conclusion that there's no other way, that uncomfortable or not, the case for race has to be made explicitly.

    It also highlights one of the difficulties in race talk: there's always someone 'more racist' than you. And it can be very jarring when you encounter it. So you have here Beckow, who by any contemporary usage of the term is unequivocally a 'racist,' but here he is belly-aching about 'facile racism' and calling people 'nazis.' Or take Hack. There's no question he knows which parts of town to avoid and why (described by Jared Taylor a quarter of a century before the poster here as "here be dragons" - referring to the way we mentally cordon off certain parts of town whose goings on become to us complete mysteries). But some of us are just too explicit about it for comfort, so he withdraws in horror.

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    , @AP
    @German_reader


    You also claim that all Poles are embarrassed by the PiS government, yet 50% (or at least close to that) of the country votes for them in elections.
    Maybe your acquaintances (presumably well-educated professionals in higher income brackets) are representative of only a subset of the population?
     
    Most of the Poles I know support PiS. They are around age 50 so not young, but highly educated and wealthy. But generally conservative and with kids.

    Replies: @Matra

  610. @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Of course in the long run liberalism might still have led to very undesirable results
     
    The Francoist state couldn’t keep Spain from becoming a bastion of libtardism.

    The civil war victory turned out to be ephemeral.

    Ditto for Salazaar’s Portugal.

    In a way this was all inevitable.

    Urban Prosperity + Christian morality = loss of asabiyah

    Ibn Khaldun and Nietzsche had it diagnosed a long time ago.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Matra, @Ivashka the fool

    Urban Prosperity + Christian morality = loss of asabiyah

    Ibn Khaldun and Nietzsche had it diagnosed a long time ago.

    Agreed.

    Pol Pot was somewhat right about the cities being the origin of all the rot.

    Speaking of which, it’s time to make you discover some great punk rock music, ya akhi Yahya al aziz.

    Think of it as postmodern poetry.

    😉

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    Speaking of which, it’s time to make you discover some great punk rock music

     

    My loathings are simple.
    , @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    Think of it as postmodern poetry.
     
    Some Persian-Afghan traditional music to save your soul, Ivashka al sadeeq.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgQE6DmLgg8&list=PLk4jQWJwkElTO7fwOk8m_Ibn-gQ_leGiZ&index=89&ab_channel=KabulEnsemble-Topic

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  611. German_reader says:
    @Matra

    Apparently, Hitler’s anti-Slav ideas stemmed from the fact that Slavs were the non-Germanic populations he was most familiar with since his days in Vienna
     
    I'm almost finished Hitler: Only The World Was Enough by Anglo-Irish historian Brendan Simms. He argues that Hitler believed the Anglo-Saxons, not the 'Judeo-Bolshevist' Soviets, were his main enemies. In general he makes a decent enough case that Hitler most feared the British and Americans due to an inferiority complex towards the Eternal Anglo, but there are a number of problems I have with his arguments. One of the them is his insistence throughout the book that Hitler only became anti-Slav in the late 1930s when two of the Slav nations (Czechs & Poles) became associated in Hitler's mind with the foreign policy goals of the British, his main geopolitical enemy. In other words it was nothing personal against Slavs, it's just that the Brits could use Slavic interests to undermine German interests. I'm pretty sure Brigitte Hamann in her book about Hitler's Vienna years provides evidence that he was already very anti-Czech back in his Vienna days, but it's been over a decade since I read it and my copy of that book is on the other side of the Atlantic so I can't, uh,'Czech' her sources.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

    One of the them is his insistence throughout the book that Hitler only became anti-Slav in the late 1930s when two of the Slav nations (Czechs & Poles) became associated in Hitler’s mind with the foreign policy goals of the British

    I don’t understand this argument, does Simms deny that Hitler’s central foreign policy goal was a war of conquest against the Soviet Union? It’s probably true that originally he would have preferred to enlist Poland as an ally in such an enterprise, but planning to conquer Russia and exploit her ressources with no regard for the interests of the “natives” already looks seriously “anti-Slav” just taken by itself.
    From reviews of Simms’ book I got the impression he makes much of Hitler’s Zweites Buch. I’ve read Zweites Buch, and while it’s true Hitler mentions American industrial power and its potential consequences for Germany in it, it’s not nearly the dominant theme I had expected it to be. Haven’t read Simms’ book (and doubt I will any time soon), so I may of course be wrong, but his argument seems a bit forced to me.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @German_reader

    I don’t understand this argument, does Simms deny that Hitler’s central foreign policy goal was a war of conquest against the Soviet Union?

    No, but it wasn't due to anti-Slav or anti-Bolshevist reasons. "Cooped up" Germany needed Lebensraum to compete with the British Empire and the US. Nothing personal. As for Polish Slavs, on September 19 1939 Hitler praised Pilsudski and said if he'd lived there'd be no hostility between Germany and Poland. He mostly saw Poland as a staging ground for a later invasion of the USSR. Even after conquering Poland Hitler hoped for a joint expansion eastwards in alliance with a rump Polish state. He only gave up on that when Chamberlain rejected Hitler's overtures in October, though his partner Stalin's opposition to any kind of Polish independence also influenced him. From then on Hitler "dropped all restraint towards the population". A few days later he reprimanded German officers for even trying to come to an agreement with Polish noblemen about a collaborationist regime, something which Hitler had previously favoured. Simms mentions Hitler's unfavourable observations of Polish people during his visit there after conquering it.

    Bottom line: Hitler's anti-Polish racism only developed after the conquest of Poland and his harsher treatment of the Polish population was influenced by his spite and fury towards their British allies, not some preconceived notion of Polish/Slavic inferiority.

    Replies: @German_reader

  612. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya


    Urban Prosperity + Christian morality = loss of asabiyah

    Ibn Khaldun and Nietzsche had it diagnosed a long time ago.
     
    Agreed.

    Pol Pot was somewhat right about the cities being the origin of all the rot.

    Speaking of which, it's time to make you discover some great punk rock music, ya akhi Yahya al aziz.

    https://youtu.be/U4reO3LabZY

    Think of it as postmodern poetry.

    😉

    Replies: @Yahya, @Yahya

    Speaking of which, it’s time to make you discover some great punk rock music

    My loathings are simple.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
  613. @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    If they were somewhere with the culture like Moscow. Moscow is dystopian rat race society of kitsch and status signalling.
     
    They were indeed Muscovites, also this is some time ago. I think they were people who were in their 40s and 50s in the 2000s and early 2010s, so would have grown up under the Soviet system and started accumulating wealth in the 90s/2000s.

    I haven't had any experience with the younger higher elites who have grown up abroad, though the children of my wife's relatives are more mellow than their parents.

    With the British ones I knew, some were certainly nice people and some less so. They could be very competitive and had much more parental and social expectations placed on them. When I was a student there was some phenomena of the upper class young women having lower class boyfriends (the result of female liberation?). I thought that this was related to expectations, lower class boyfriends had lower ones and wouldn't judge them in the same way. There also already seemed to be feuds or personal rivalries going on that people from different classes weren't part of, perhaps evidence in favour of the idea that rivalry within classes or social strata is as bad as that between them.


    Reaction of the Kingdom to the French revolution, giving more political power to Girondins, like a careful engineering project to release pressure, or rescue the overheating nuclear reactor. Then later, give the power to Sans-culottes.
     
    It seems like they came to things sooner than other parts of Europe. Girondins of England and Scotland maybe asserted themselves in 1688, so by 1789 they could be strong conservatives, but of the Glorious Revolution of the late 17th century.

    I think part of the reaction to the French Revolution was to take the chance to pursue expansion overseas in new fields of enterprise, to take advantage of the way the French neutralised or distracted rivals. Britain's industrial revolution continued, Portugal and Latin America came much more into the British economic sphere, possessions in India expanded, contacts in the Middle East were made.

    In that way they fashioned a 'cushion' against the build up of social antagonism and a base from which to grant social concessions and expand democracy in the future.

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    indeed Muscovites

    Moscow culture was already snobby in Soviet times and I think it becomes worse every year.

    But in general, in the developing countries the power relationship between rich people and poor people is also larger. So, the snobby attitude, can be based in real power relations i.e. where there is less protection for poor people.

    For example, if teenage children of rich people in a developed country would crash their new Maserati and kill pensioners in an old Lada, they would maybe hire a better lawyer, but it would still be possibly prosecution. However, in Russia, there are still nowadays regularly reports, when the police ignore those cases.

    It’s part of the historical process of the developed country, when the elites have accepted a reduction of power or at least legal equality, although not economic equality.

    They could be very competitive and had much more parental and social expectations placed on them. When

    In this way, British elites, are probably more of an elite who have internalized some different culture and self-replicating methods across generations.

    In the postsoviet space, it’s sometimes like starving poor people were given golden keys. Although it’s less for the new generation people who were going to school in Europe.

    The youth of the “alleged secret daughter of Putin” was in England, so she probably has better taste. But before she bought it, this was kitsch apartment decoration of the building in Moscow she bought.

    upper class young women having lower class boyfriends

    They are also have self-image as agricultural elite, although surely a fake identity. So, even the cars of the British Royal family, need to be Land Rovers, not Ferraris.

    When Prince William marries a woman from a city, they publish photos to say she is killing animals and doing some kinds of work.

    In that way they fashioned a ‘cushion’ against the build up of social antagonism and a base from which to grant social concessions and expand democracy in the future.

    Also the British empire was very important to create jobs for Kingdom’s “Girondins”. In the 19th century, De Morgan’s parents were like this in India. In 20th century, George Orwell in Myanmar.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry


    Moscow culture was already snobby in Soviet times and I think it becomes worse every year.
     
    You are right, but it is often the case with the capital cities, Paris being another example, and my German friends also mentioned loathing Berlin, don't know about London, although there are hardly locals left there. Proof in support of my opinion, might be that prior to the Revolution, it was St Petersburg which was described as being insufferably snobby, while Moscow was seen as pleasantly patriarchal and somewhat archaic.

    Now, there are hardly that many fifth generation Muscovites nowadays, the post-Revolution population experienced a very extreme change: дети Арбата, coming from Odessa or shtetl-born families with high connections in the (Trotskyite circles of) the CPSU, then Ukrainian career-oriented social climbers (my grandfather, God-bless his soul, was a fine example), then limitchky brought in from the Russian glubinka after the war to build and work industrial jobs, and finally the post-Soviet tsunami of anyone who could move to Moscow and stick in by the tip of their teeth and nails, doubling it's population in a single generation and being disproportionately Central Asian.

    The rare Old Muscovite people I have personally met, I did in my school (a couple of boys ans girls in a class of twenty some pupils) and in my church, Fr Aleksander Saltykov being among them (yes he was from the old nobility Saltykov family going back to the Rurikid Muscovy times).

    Anyway, despite the saying that "Москва не резиновая", it has this expansive character to it that doesn't seem to stop inflating.

    I have personally always preferred Piter despite its awful climate. As soon as I disembarked the train (I usually traveled overnight by the Red Arrow) at the Moskovskyi Vokzal, I always felt a profoundly pleasant feeling. I felt exactly the opposite when reaching my destination on the return trip at the Leningradskyi Vokzal.

    I wish I was in Piter, the white nights are soon, it's such a wonderful moment there...

    https://youtu.be/OrwuEMisg6w



    Пора в Питер. Дима, поехали в Питер пить ! Заодно и про пришельцев побазарим

    https://youtu.be/1ugivNRYfjc

    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP

  614. @Matra

    Apparently, Hitler’s anti-Slav ideas stemmed from the fact that Slavs were the non-Germanic populations he was most familiar with since his days in Vienna
     
    I'm almost finished Hitler: Only The World Was Enough by Anglo-Irish historian Brendan Simms. He argues that Hitler believed the Anglo-Saxons, not the 'Judeo-Bolshevist' Soviets, were his main enemies. In general he makes a decent enough case that Hitler most feared the British and Americans due to an inferiority complex towards the Eternal Anglo, but there are a number of problems I have with his arguments. One of the them is his insistence throughout the book that Hitler only became anti-Slav in the late 1930s when two of the Slav nations (Czechs & Poles) became associated in Hitler's mind with the foreign policy goals of the British, his main geopolitical enemy. In other words it was nothing personal against Slavs, it's just that the Brits could use Slavic interests to undermine German interests. I'm pretty sure Brigitte Hamann in her book about Hitler's Vienna years provides evidence that he was already very anti-Czech back in his Vienna days, but it's been over a decade since I read it and my copy of that book is on the other side of the Atlantic so I can't, uh,'Czech' her sources.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

    One of the them is his insistence throughout the book that Hitler only became anti-Slav in the late 1930s

    Well, I have read Mein Kampf a couple of times, one of them an original edition in German from the 30s, and it was all there in the 20s already: Hitler’s anti-Slav and anti-Jewish sentiments and his vision of a German expansion to the East. I’m not sure how anyone can doubt a direct line between what Hitler wrote in 1924 and he did in 1939.

    Years ago I devoted some time to reading about Nazi Germany from original sources and the general impression I got is that the Nazis set quite destructive forces in motion that, left to their own devices, would have caused an even bigger catastrophe in Europe than the one that actually happened. I remember Nazi officials discussing among them how some Germans had some undesirable “westisch” racial influences or how the people who were being deported to Germany from Slavic countries were of a better stock than the Germans themselves in the towns where they were being settled. Once you start a racial purity program in the context of mass murders, sterilization programs and population displacements it’s difficult to imagine who would have been spared in the end.

    On the other hand, there were plenty of pragmatic elements in the Nazi enterprise as well, as shown by their alliances with some Slavic and even non-European countries, such as the Japanese, so perhaps it would all have winded down after the war and a more moderate form of Nazism would have ensued.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel


    so perhaps it would all have winded down after the war and a more moderate form of Nazism would have ensued.
     
    It might have looked a bit like a dictatorial right-wing Israel: Authoritarian, extremely nationalistic, and vehemently opposed to any right of return for the descendants of the tens of millions of Slavs (or more) whom they (or previous German Nazi governments) would have previously deported en masse to Siberia or wherever. And of course a West Bank-style colonial relationship with the Slavs who would have remained under Nazi rule as unwilling servants to their German colonizers, of course.
    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Mikel

    He didn't write anything negative about the Japanese in Mein Kampf. There was a disparaging passage about the Chinese but was later edited out due to Sino-German Cooperation.

    The problem with these counterfactuals is that Hitler's East Asian policies was quite erratic. He did try to mediate between China and Japan, that it fell through wasn't his fault. But signing Molotov-Ribbentrop basically invalidated the German-Japan alliance.

    The Japanese tend view him negatively due to this perfidy. That and being associated with genocidal wars and gas chambers-- Imperial Japan was brutal but never to that extent.

    The Chinese tend to view him as positive or neutral, since his acts were no worse than some of the great men in Chinese history, and since Jews are seen as rulers of GAE.


    Nun weiß der Jude zu genau, daß er sin seiner tausend-jährigen Anpassung wohl europäische Völker zu unterhöhlen und zu geschlechtslosen Bastarden zu erziehen vermag, allein einem asiatischen Nationalstaat von der Art Japans dieses Schicksal kaum zuzufügen in der Lage wäre. Er vermag heute den Deutschen und den Engländer, Amerikaner und Franzosen zu mimen, zum gelben Asiaten fehlen ihm die Brücken. So sucht er den japanischen Nationalstaat noch mit der Kraft ähnlicher Gebilde von heute zu brechen, um sich des gefährlichen Widersachers zu entledigen, ehe in seiner Faust die letzte staatliche Macht zu einer Despotie über wehrlose Wesen verwandelt wird.

     


    Es ist aber ein kaum faßlicher Denk-fehler, zu glauben, daß, sagen wir, aus einem Neger oder einem Chinesen ein Germane wird, weil er Deutsch lernt und bereit ist, künftighin die deutsche Sprache zu sprechen und etwa einer deutschen politischen Partei seine Stimme zu geben.

     

  615. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya


    Urban Prosperity + Christian morality = loss of asabiyah

    Ibn Khaldun and Nietzsche had it diagnosed a long time ago.
     
    Agreed.

    Pol Pot was somewhat right about the cities being the origin of all the rot.

    Speaking of which, it's time to make you discover some great punk rock music, ya akhi Yahya al aziz.

    https://youtu.be/U4reO3LabZY

    Think of it as postmodern poetry.

    😉

    Replies: @Yahya, @Yahya

    Think of it as postmodern poetry.

    Some Persian-Afghan traditional music to save your soul, Ivashka al sadeeq.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Perhaps we could agree on a middle ground?

    https://youtu.be/IIy-KQYeL_Y

  616. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    I’ve never talked to a rightwing Western European? Have you actually met in real life?
     
    You also claim that all Poles are embarrassed by the PiS government, yet 50% (or at least close to that) of the country votes for them in elections.
    Maybe your acquaintances (presumably well-educated professionals in higher income brackets) are representative of only a subset of the population?
    Right-wingers also tend to keep their opinions to themselves, unless they know the person they're talking to has similar views.

    Also in terms of the intellectual ideas, the ideas popular with today’s liberals in America and Europe, are from Europe.
     
    I think I once mentioned that a few years ago I "removed" some BLM posters. Do you think BLM originated in Europe?
    Can't even imagine what you could possibly mean by European ideas popular with American liberals (unless you want to go way back and claim it's all due to the Frankfurt school and other emigres).

    Replies: @Dmitry, @silviosilver, @AP

    possibly mean by European ideas popular with American liberals

    Most of the normal American liberals want America to copy Europe. Liberal television in America is usually talking how Europe is more civilized than America, which is not completely irrational.

    New York Times, is always writing articles how civilized Netherlands or Sweden compared to America.

    But more extreme American liberal ideology is soft version of Edward Said, Fanon, Foucault, Hegel, Marx, Rousseau. They import their ideas from Europe.

    If you think about which of the political demographics, enjoys local American writers? It’s the Republican Party.

    Writers like Emerson, are important for the people who want to live in the forest “offgrid”. Writers like Founding Fathers, are important for the American constitutionalism movement, which is part of the Republican Party.

    The American writers were in 18th/19th century category liberals, but it’s today popular for conservatives.

    representative of only a subset of the population?

    Surely, the socially right-wing Western Europeans are existing, as can be viewed with some results in the local elections. But except economic right-wing, it’s not the representatives of the mainstream culture, as you can see the local fashions in Europe, what kinds of flags they like in public buildings etc.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry


    Writers like Founding Fathers, are important for the American constitutionalism movement, which is part of the Republican Party.
     
    Smarter liberals might still admire the Founding Fathers for being progressive and forward-thinking for their time (embracing Enlightenment ideas, republicanism, limited democracy, separation of powers, transfer of power, Deism, et cetera) even if they would be viewed as extraordinarily backwards and regressive by today's standards. But of course by that logic one can say that 1992 Bill Clinton was a bigot by today's standards for presumably opposing same-sex marriage.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  617. @Greasy William
    @LondonBob

    Strelkov says the Ukrainian offensive has been a costly failure thus far. He's usually pretty reliable.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Give it some more time and we shall see.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Just add a Nolan, Raglan and Lucan…Cardigan’s all round.

  618. @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    You are writing something like America causes the liberal views in Europe? How does this make sense, today or historically, except in terms of technology transfer?*

    America is the only advanced developed country in the world, with a still religious population.

    In most political ways, Europe is a lot more liberal than America, so Joe Biden would be conservative politician in United Kingdom, Ireland, Spain, Sweden etc.

    America is a lot more conservative country than would be expected for its income or technology level, although partly this is related to the high regional inequality. So, elite areas of America like New England, Vermont etc are more similar to European views.

    European populations are very liberal in comparison to American, at least for the educated part of the population. I've never talked to a rightwing Western European? Have you actually met in real life?

    Also in terms of the intellectual ideas, the ideas popular with today's liberals in America and Europe, are from Europe.

    -

    With Russian liberals it's a bit different, because there is more popularity of a few American ideas. I.e. the most popular political ideology book in Russia is "Atlas Shrugged". It's because Russian liberalism is more like "neoliberalism" i.e. Republican Party.



    -

    *Because I would agree America is indirectly adding to the views, by technology transfer.History and views are changed by technology level of society and America is the main country changing the world's technology level.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts

    I guess it is because some of Liberalism’s major ideological competitors, Communism and Socialism from the left, Fascism, Nationalism and Monarchism from the right, have been much weaker in America historically.

    American politics seems to have centred on right wing liberals vs. centrist liberals, with anything else marginal. (Though there may be some change now).

    It seems pretty certain that US power has strengthened Liberal factions in European politics to the detriment of the others.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    right wing liberals vs. centrist liberals
     
    Because to enter mainstream in America politics, it still has to be compatible to constitution, separation of powers and bourgeois capitalism. They can't import dictatorship of the proletariat or fascism.

    Even if you read the policies of "The Squad" or Bernie Sanders, it would just convert American policies to be more similar to Europe i.e. universal health care, progressive taxation and government investment in poorer areas

    More extreme American liberals import also less compatible ideas from Europe, they are usually isolated in the university or only influence the margin of the real politics.

    So, if the extreme liberals in the American university talking about "violence against black bodies", this the theory of Foucault.

    But the actually influence to Democrats of Black Lives Matter, will be using welfare state and higher taxation, to create the economic equality for races, which is using European level of welfare state to complete 19th century liberal Lincoln writes in "Gettysburg Address".

    Replies: @Coconuts

  619. @Mikel
    @Matra


    One of the them is his insistence throughout the book that Hitler only became anti-Slav in the late 1930s
     
    Well, I have read Mein Kampf a couple of times, one of them an original edition in German from the 30s, and it was all there in the 20s already: Hitler's anti-Slav and anti-Jewish sentiments and his vision of a German expansion to the East. I'm not sure how anyone can doubt a direct line between what Hitler wrote in 1924 and he did in 1939.

    Years ago I devoted some time to reading about Nazi Germany from original sources and the general impression I got is that the Nazis set quite destructive forces in motion that, left to their own devices, would have caused an even bigger catastrophe in Europe than the one that actually happened. I remember Nazi officials discussing among them how some Germans had some undesirable "westisch" racial influences or how the people who were being deported to Germany from Slavic countries were of a better stock than the Germans themselves in the towns where they were being settled. Once you start a racial purity program in the context of mass murders, sterilization programs and population displacements it's difficult to imagine who would have been spared in the end.

    On the other hand, there were plenty of pragmatic elements in the Nazi enterprise as well, as shown by their alliances with some Slavic and even non-European countries, such as the Japanese, so perhaps it would all have winded down after the war and a more moderate form of Nazism would have ensued.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    so perhaps it would all have winded down after the war and a more moderate form of Nazism would have ensued.

    It might have looked a bit like a dictatorial right-wing Israel: Authoritarian, extremely nationalistic, and vehemently opposed to any right of return for the descendants of the tens of millions of Slavs (or more) whom they (or previous German Nazi governments) would have previously deported en masse to Siberia or wherever. And of course a West Bank-style colonial relationship with the Slavs who would have remained under Nazi rule as unwilling servants to their German colonizers, of course.

  620. Serfs and Slaves in Russia

    I believe many Russians lived as serfs in Russia for centuries. I also believe the Tatars and Turks captured Russians as slaves in Southern Russia during much of that same time period. Apparently slavery by nasty foreigners was bad (I agree!) but serfdom, i.e. near-slavery by wealthy Russians was seemingly OK.

    Can someone comment on this apparent contradiction in the Russian mind around the middle of the 19th century, say 1850?

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @QCIC

    You were rich in how many Souls you owned. You could even buy them when they died…


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PXx-UH0qgY

    There were also these things called Serf Theatre's. Rich Dukes would build theatres in town centres and have the serfs act, build sets and run the shows. Something like Jews do today in New York. It’s true.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    , @Dmitry
    @QCIC


    middle of the 19th century, say 1850

     

    Even in a lot more wealthy and enlightenment America, many states had the same policy as the Russian empire until the American Civil War, when American slaves had possibly less human rights than Russian serfs. Emancipation in the Russian empire is 1861 is two years earlier than America's Emancipation Proclamation of 1863.

    Logical contradiction exists in American history as their founders' moral justification for the independence against Great Britain, uses a text influenced by Enlightenment interpretation of Bible "all men are created equal" in 1776. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_men_are_created_equal

    Russian empire was an empire, with the king, not ideological country. King had power because of support of land owners (who also own people living there), support of bourgeoisie/merchants, also externally supported as part of international networks of European royal families which were still quite powerful in the 19th century epoch.

    Replies: @QCIC

  621. @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    possibly mean by European ideas popular with American liberals
     
    Most of the normal American liberals want America to copy Europe. Liberal television in America is usually talking how Europe is more civilized than America, which is not completely irrational.

    New York Times, is always writing articles how civilized Netherlands or Sweden compared to America.

    But more extreme American liberal ideology is soft version of Edward Said, Fanon, Foucault, Hegel, Marx, Rousseau. They import their ideas from Europe.

    -

    If you think about which of the political demographics, enjoys local American writers? It's the Republican Party.

    Writers like Emerson, are important for the people who want to live in the forest "offgrid". Writers like Founding Fathers, are important for the American constitutionalism movement, which is part of the Republican Party.

    The American writers were in 18th/19th century category liberals, but it's today popular for conservatives.


    representative of only a subset of the population?
     
    Surely, the socially right-wing Western Europeans are existing, as can be viewed with some results in the local elections. But except economic right-wing, it's not the representatives of the mainstream culture, as you can see the local fashions in Europe, what kinds of flags they like in public buildings etc.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Writers like Founding Fathers, are important for the American constitutionalism movement, which is part of the Republican Party.

    Smarter liberals might still admire the Founding Fathers for being progressive and forward-thinking for their time (embracing Enlightenment ideas, republicanism, limited democracy, separation of powers, transfer of power, Deism, et cetera) even if they would be viewed as extraordinarily backwards and regressive by today’s standards. But of course by that logic one can say that 1992 Bill Clinton was a bigot by today’s standards for presumably opposing same-sex marriage.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    Also it's true 21st century's American liberals, still follow overall policies of the Founding Fathers and this is institutionally impossible to avoid for any Americans.

    Supreme Court is a legal machine to interpret the local American writers of the late 18th century, has final power in politics.

    But it's American conservatives who are more reading the local American writers, view them as final judgement. E.g. In gun rights, the mainstream liberals ask for the same policy as Europe (also all the liberal talk shows say European policy is better), while the conservatives say to only follow Second Amendment.

    It's also with local ideas of the American romantic writers. In the 19th century politics, Thoreau was liberal abolitionist. But the ideas of these local writers, are now mainly for the American conservative culture. Fighting against the government for liberty. Living in isolated forest houses.

  622. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @sudden death


    Anyway, we have plenty of hallucinators around about the immediate US economy collapse, but things in reality evolving on the contrary, so it’s worth mentioning.
     
    The only one who's going on here about the collapse of the US financial system is Greasy William (in typical fashion of that subset of US right-wingers who are obsessed with the gold standard), no idea who the "plenty of hallucinators" are supposed to be.

    If so, obviously they may be suffering in the future, but that’s just life.
     
    Haha, ok. When Germany and the rest of the core EU become de-industrialized, go ask the Americans for gibs then and see how far you'll get.
    I realize I must come across like an asshole, but whenever I read your comments, it feels like being stuck in some kind of time warp, like it's forever 1983 and Ronnie Reagan is heroically staring down the Evil Empire. Blessed are those for whom it's that simple.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @A123, @Sher Singh

    Haha, ok. When Germany and the rest of the core EU become de-industrialized, go ask the Americans for gibs then and see how far you’ll get.
    I realize I must come across like an asshole

    No. Not that. You come across as misguided, possibly superficial.

    America is beginning gradual decoupling from CCP exploitation. A key element of this is MAGA Reindustrialization.

    Germany (and the rest of Europe) has a choice:
        • Remaining a CCP vassal
        • Reindustrialization & Asia decoupling
    Manufacturing jobs will not be lost to America. They will be lost to the CCP.

    Bigly emotional “Blame America” rhetoric does not yield anything constructive. Progressive Europe’s problem is Europe. Germany’s problem is Germany. Christian America does not defeat AfD. Germans do. Your destiny is in YOUR hands. Stop blaming us. It is bad for both you & us.

    PEACE 😇

  623. @Coconuts
    @Dmitry

    I guess it is because some of Liberalism's major ideological competitors, Communism and Socialism from the left, Fascism, Nationalism and Monarchism from the right, have been much weaker in America historically.

    American politics seems to have centred on right wing liberals vs. centrist liberals, with anything else marginal. (Though there may be some change now).

    It seems pretty certain that US power has strengthened Liberal factions in European politics to the detriment of the others.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    right wing liberals vs. centrist liberals

    Because to enter mainstream in America politics, it still has to be compatible to constitution, separation of powers and bourgeois capitalism. They can’t import dictatorship of the proletariat or fascism.

    Even if you read the policies of “The Squad” or Bernie Sanders, it would just convert American policies to be more similar to Europe i.e. universal health care, progressive taxation and government investment in poorer areas

    More extreme American liberals import also less compatible ideas from Europe, they are usually isolated in the university or only influence the margin of the real politics.

    So, if the extreme liberals in the American university talking about “violence against black bodies”, this the theory of Foucault.

    But the actually influence to Democrats of Black Lives Matter, will be using welfare state and higher taxation, to create the economic equality for races, which is using European level of welfare state to complete 19th century liberal Lincoln writes in “Gettysburg Address”.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    More extreme American liberals import also less compatible ideas from Europe, they are usually isolated in the university or only influence the margin of the real politics.

    So, if the extreme liberals in the American university talking about “violence against black bodies”, this the theory of Foucault.
     

    I think some of this does involve original contributions by American academics, they created Intersectionality, a way of making the work of Foucault and some of these other European influences into something politically viable, even if it is mainly on university campuses and in bureaucracies at present.

    It is now being re-exported to France, they are coming to grips with le Wokeisme in their universities at the moment. It poses some challenges for older academics who are still supporters of Republican universalism.


    But the actually influence to Democrats of Black Lives Matter, will be using welfare state and higher taxation, to create the economic equality for races...
     
    It will be interesting to see whether they manage to achieve this and if it makes BLM and the race stuff subside, or whether multiculturalism will strengthen and 'ethno-politics' will become a new norm.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  624. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    I’ve seen and know something about the Russian/Post-Soviet ruling elite close up, the British ones don’t have the same sort of brutal attitude to their lower classes and seem quite benevolent in comparison, for an elite.
     
    Most post-Soviet elites are scum. And yes they are quite brutal, in fact talking in a superior and rigid or outright aggressive manner to someone of an inferior social status is a social marker of an elite Noviop. And the lower social strata often imitate this attitude to try pretending that they are higher in the pecking order. I witnessed first hand while going back to Moscow and hanging out with childhood/youth friends that didn't live abroad. Some of them, really had an unpleasant attitude towards service personnel in a hotel or a restaurant, or towards the taxi drivers. I felt uneasy when it happened because I always try to be as polite as possible with people who attend to my needs.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @S

    And yes they are quite brutal, in fact talking in a superior and rigid or outright aggressive manner to someone of an inferior social status is a social marker of an elite Noviop.

    It reminds me of an account I read of a German who visited London in the 1930’s, and had witnessed a London banker acting friendly and sociable towards someone of a lower social rank on the street. He said a similar scene would never take place in Germany with a Berlin banker.

    Both Germany and post Soviet Russia in each of these instances were much newer constructs than Britain, however. Perhaps given enough time the German and Russian elites would have mellowed out a bit towards their perceived ‘lessers’ as they had done (apparently) in Britain.

    I also read an account of Sir Richard Burton’s trip to the American West during the Indian Wars (ie circa 1870’s IIRC) and he had shared a stage coach with an American cavalry captain and his wife, and some others. He was impressed how there was no sign of class that he could observe. Apparently, the thing with class (from complaints of it I’ve read from Britain) is that it has the potential to be stifling, even suffocating, to both the human spirit, and endeavor.

    Relatedly, I once perused a Stanford Univ college yearbook from 1915 or so. Stanford was an ersatz West Coast wannabe ‘Ivy League’ school built for wealthy West Coast elites who wanted their kids to have a good education, but didn’t want to send their kids cross country to the East Coast to get it.

    [MORE]

    The Anglo-Saxon elites were still quite prominent and there were still ‘Britishness’ there. The campus dinners/parties the yearbook featured were called ‘jolly ups’, which I’m pretty sure was a holdover term from England.

    Interestingly, in a story about student life at Stanford, there was an admonition that the students in solidarity with the [1776 American] Revolution should always keep their guard up against manifestations of ‘classism’. In 1915, of course, they were much closer to 1776, and had that much more awareness of it’s tenets.

    About US elites, the horrid template which was in place with many of them and their hangers on during the time of slavery, ie via diktat the importing and employing of less immediately expensive alien [chattel] slaves, as opposed to employing and paying their own the prevailing real time local rates for the labor, aka a living wage, is the very same corrupt template, albeit even more malignant and destructive due to the huge numbers exploited, that remains in place today with wage slavery, ie the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system.

    The US Civil War was a major missed opportunity to have overthrown the chattel slave holding elites and hangers of the South, and their corresponding same ilk in the North, ie the wage slave (so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’) promoters and exploiters, neither group of which cared anything about their own people, and whom only ‘cared about their slaves, and the ill-gotten wealth they generated.. A non-slaveholder such as Robert E Lee, an honorable man, would have been just the person to have lead the people of the United States in such an endeavor and in the enacting of a true abolition of slavery.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @S

    A decade or so ago, I happened to read somewhere on the internets about the food that was eaten by the average American South plantation slave vs his contemporary average Irish off-boater immigrant to the US from the potato famine ravaged Irland. The slave had better quality food and ate more of it than the Irish immigrant could afford. A slave was an investment. A costly investment with an ROI that took a few years to become positive. The immigrant cost nothing and paid for everything. The "liberation" of the slaves and the transition from slavery to mass immigration was an OpEx optimization driven by the financial elites.

    Replies: @S, @S

  625. @silviosilver
    @Yahya


    So far my favorite Hitchcock film is Vertigo.
     
    North-by-northwest is pretty good, but not at the same level as Vertigo.

    Other Hitchcock films I've enjoyed are Dial M for Murder, Rear Window and Psycho. All very worthwhile imo.

    I've also seen The Man Who Knew Too Much and Frenzy, but I wasn't particularly impressed.

    Since my seconding Greasy's recommendation of A Simple Plan proved to be such a flop, maybe I can redeem myself with a couple of suggestions that I think you're unlikely to have seen: The Go-Between (1971), Don't Look Now (1973) and Open Your Eyes (1997).

    Of all the ways in which the very, very white Australia I grew up in was still a very obvious offshoot of Britain (even though its elites had long abandoned any such loyalty), the main way in which it wasn't - but which I wish it had been - was its lack of a rigid class structure. Why would I have wished for a class structure that would have assuredly frozen me out? Well, if you watch The Go-Between, you'll have some idea. Because even the small glimpses I caught of the remnants of the British upper crust's peerless refinement impressed me so much I've never forgotten it. Although it's fair to say I have not modelled my life at all on their example, I still know quality when I see it - and they had it in abundance. In this movie, it's on full display.

    Don't Look Now could be classified a 'horror,' although it's very short on actual scares. The film's main strength is the mood it manages to create in each scene, where even when nothing much of consequence happens, it still builds up plenty of anticipation that something portentous is about to occur. The only fault I can find with it is the ending, which plenty of people have defended, but which to me was a letdown. A bad ending usually ruins the entire film for me, so that I still love this film is evidence of the high regard I have for it.

    Open Your Eyes ("Abre Los Ojos" in Spanish) is the original of the later American remake Vanilla Sky, with Tom Cruise. I liked Vanilla Sky, but Open Your Eyes is the superior film. In brief, an original, highly enjoyable thriller. If you watch it, do so without reading reviews first; it's more fun if you don't know where it's going.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Yahya, @Yahya

    Since my seconding Greasy’s recommendation of A Simple Plan proved to be such a flop, maybe I can redeem myself with a couple of suggestions that I think you’re unlikely to have seen: The Go-Between (1971), Don’t Look Now (1973) and Open Your Eyes (1997).

    I’ve watched The Go-Between (1971) and Open Your Eyes (1997) over the past couple of days.

    I did not enjoy watching The Go Between. Unbelievably boring plot. Neither the topics addressed, nor the dialogue, nor the characters interested me one bit. I do not care much for some boy’s childhood experience as a message courier, nor of the petty lives of some dull English aristocrats. I thought the writers and director tried to wring as much drama as they could from a thin and banal premise. I don’t see how Leo’s “experiences” could have possibly traumatized him to the extent where he’d never engage in romantic relationships for the rest of his life. Simply overblown and ridiculous.

    The technicalities of the film were subpar. The cinematography was uninspiring, shaky and substandard. I cannot imagine a more monotonous setting then the Norfolk estate they were filming in. Moreover the characters did not impress me in the least. All of them are superficially portrayed except perhaps Leo and Marian, and even then no single salient quality stands out. Leo is a stock character of a young boy aged 13. Julie Christie is not a very expressive actress who relies on her looks to carry her through. Leo’s friend and some side characters could not act if their lives depended on it. The pounding and foreboding piano music was out of place for such a calm countryside; more appropriate for a horror movie then a drama. Not a single scene in this movie evoked the least bit of emotional sentiment on my behalf.

    Apparently some people have given this film the “arthouse” designation. It is therefore appropriate to compare it some high-brow films of similar intellectual stature. The Go Between is just a vastly inferior production. Compare the cinematographic elegance of Bergman’s Wild Strawberries; the emotive power of Mikhalkov’s Burnt By The Sun; the intriguing plot of Farahdi’s About Elly ; the musical score of Kieslowski’s Three Colors; or the dialogic excellence of Ceylan’s Winter Sleep. Jospeh Losey simply does not hold a candle against them. 5/10.

    Open Your Eyes was a much more interesting film. I watched it without reading any plot descriptions or reviews, as you recommended. Quite a good production overall, the concept is intriguing and original and the execution well-done. There is not much that I can discuss without spoiling the plot, as you know, so I won’t delve into the details. But i’ll just say that I liked the topics addressed in the film. No matter how many times people confidently proclaim that “looks don’t matter, it’s what’s inside of you that counts” or some derivation thereof; it is rather clear to me that looks do matter a great deal, and is in fact perhaps the most consequential characteristic in an individual’s life, alongside intelligence and wealth. There is no getting around the fact that good-looking people receive more attention and respect from others, men and women alike, no matter how crappy the personality. And that the converse is true for uglier people. I’m glad the director here portrayed it as it is.

    I didn’t like Caesar on a personal level – he seemed self-centered to an extreme – but it was difficult not to sympathize with his plight. Facial disfigurement has to be the cruelest form of torture Heaven can inflict on a human being; even worse than having a limb sliced off. I’m pretty sure I’d just commit suicide if I were in his position. Caesar is also a good example of emotionalism run amuck; I couldn’t but feel contemptuous for the hysterical, self-centered and undignified manner in which he handled his predicament. He should read up on his Seneca. But good movie overall. 8/10.

    I will be watching some Hitchcock flicks next. Reviews will be forthcoming.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Yahya

    Damn, another swing and a miss. I'm hurting. Now, although it's true I often like certain movies for highly idiosyncratic reasons that very few other people could be expected to share, I could still explain why you're oh so wrong about The G0-Between, but I think I'll spare us all the torture of my long-winded explanations. Don't Look Now is a rather different movie to this, so don't be put off by it being made around the same time (1973 vs 1971).

    Glad you enjoyed Open Your Eyes - maybe there's hope for me yet. (The English-language remake, Vanilla Sky, isn't bad either.) You're not wrong about Cesar's disfigurement. Even the most steadfast devotee of the looks-are-only-skin-deep school must have known he had fuck all hope of rekindling the romance at that point. Since you're interested in the topic, check out Gordon Patzer's "Looks - Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined." The title says it all.

    Replies: @Matra, @Yahya

  626. @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry


    Writers like Founding Fathers, are important for the American constitutionalism movement, which is part of the Republican Party.
     
    Smarter liberals might still admire the Founding Fathers for being progressive and forward-thinking for their time (embracing Enlightenment ideas, republicanism, limited democracy, separation of powers, transfer of power, Deism, et cetera) even if they would be viewed as extraordinarily backwards and regressive by today's standards. But of course by that logic one can say that 1992 Bill Clinton was a bigot by today's standards for presumably opposing same-sex marriage.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Also it’s true 21st century’s American liberals, still follow overall policies of the Founding Fathers and this is institutionally impossible to avoid for any Americans.

    Supreme Court is a legal machine to interpret the local American writers of the late 18th century, has final power in politics.

    But it’s American conservatives who are more reading the local American writers, view them as final judgement. E.g. In gun rights, the mainstream liberals ask for the same policy as Europe (also all the liberal talk shows say European policy is better), while the conservatives say to only follow Second Amendment.

    It’s also with local ideas of the American romantic writers. In the 19th century politics, Thoreau was liberal abolitionist. But the ideas of these local writers, are now mainly for the American conservative culture. Fighting against the government for liberty. Living in isolated forest houses.

  627. @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William

    Give it some more time and we shall see.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Just add a Nolan, Raglan and Lucan…Cardigan’s all round.

  628. @QCIC
    Serfs and Slaves in Russia

    I believe many Russians lived as serfs in Russia for centuries. I also believe the Tatars and Turks captured Russians as slaves in Southern Russia during much of that same time period. Apparently slavery by nasty foreigners was bad (I agree!) but serfdom, i.e. near-slavery by wealthy Russians was seemingly OK.

    Can someone comment on this apparent contradiction in the Russian mind around the middle of the 19th century, say 1850?

    Thanks.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    You were rich in how many Souls you owned. You could even buy them when they died…

    There were also these things called Serf Theatre’s. Rich Dukes would build theatres in town centres and have the serfs act, build sets and run the shows. Something like Jews do today in New York. It’s true.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Wokechoke

    Is there any widespread and explicit desire to revive some modern form of serfdom by the "New Russians"?

    This seems to be the way of America, though we are growing out of a different history.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Wokechoke
    @Wokechoke

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3hV0Os4Dag


    Radio play with Michael Palin narrating. Anyone want to buy life Insurance policies on Wagner Mercenaries and Azov Volunteers?

  629. A123 says: • Website

    What does #NeverTrump fear smell like? (1)

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    Does this mean the Democrats are afraid of him? Or that they want him to be the nominee and figure an indictment will cement his support?

    The Nazi-crats are in full desperation mode. They know Fuhrer Biden & his coup are indefensible.

    The parallel to Star Wars: A New Hope is undeniable:

     

     

    PEACE 😇
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  630. @German_reader
    @songbird

    At least in part it was rooted not just in historical memories and cultural resentments, but also in hard power calculations. Britain hadn't yet been totally displaced as the dominant world power (at least in perception, in reality her position was already quite hollow), so opposition to British power was logical, if you wanted to pursue a revisionist programme of colonial expansion, as Franco would have liked to do. Maybe comparable to how Italy ended up on the German side in WW2.
    There's an updated version of a book by Geoffrey Parker about the Armada btw:
    https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/0300259867/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1686256569&refinements=p_27%3AGeoffrey+Parker+Colin+Martin&s=books&sr=1-1&text=Geoffrey+Parker+Colin+Martin
    If we don't get blown up over Ukraine, I might read that later this summer. Maybe a nice distraction from current concerns.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Are you familiar with ‘Panhispanism’? (Hispanismo in Spanish, with the pan- prefix added in English to distinguish it from the academic study of the Spanish-speaking world.) Sort of a Spanish version of the British League of Empire Loyalists, but without the hard racialist motivation and with plenty of its notables hailing from outside Spain. According to them, the sole hope for Spain’s salvation is to reorient the country towards its former colonies and decisively away from Europe. Payne’s “In Defense of Spain” was welcomed by them – as it was by Spanish conservatives in general – but amusingly they feel Payne didn’t go far enough in recognizing Spain’s many unique excellences. It’s also amusing to hear them very earnestly discuss the superiority of the Spanish empire to the British empire – as though setting the record straight here, before the entire world, were an issue requiring urgent action. (I actually think they have some good points, but they don’t seem willing to let these stand on their own; the points are typically raised in comparison to the British empire.)

  631. @Wokechoke
    @QCIC

    You were rich in how many Souls you owned. You could even buy them when they died…


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PXx-UH0qgY

    There were also these things called Serf Theatre's. Rich Dukes would build theatres in town centres and have the serfs act, build sets and run the shows. Something like Jews do today in New York. It’s true.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    Is there any widespread and explicit desire to revive some modern form of serfdom by the “New Russians”?

    This seems to be the way of America, though we are growing out of a different history.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @QCIC

    We are all Dead Souls now.

    Replies: @QCIC

  632. @QCIC
    Serfs and Slaves in Russia

    I believe many Russians lived as serfs in Russia for centuries. I also believe the Tatars and Turks captured Russians as slaves in Southern Russia during much of that same time period. Apparently slavery by nasty foreigners was bad (I agree!) but serfdom, i.e. near-slavery by wealthy Russians was seemingly OK.

    Can someone comment on this apparent contradiction in the Russian mind around the middle of the 19th century, say 1850?

    Thanks.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    middle of the 19th century, say 1850

    Even in a lot more wealthy and enlightenment America, many states had the same policy as the Russian empire until the American Civil War, when American slaves had possibly less human rights than Russian serfs. Emancipation in the Russian empire is 1861 is two years earlier than America’s Emancipation Proclamation of 1863.

    Logical contradiction exists in American history as their founders’ moral justification for the independence against Great Britain, uses a text influenced by Enlightenment interpretation of Bible “all men are created equal” in 1776. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_men_are_created_equal

    Russian empire was an empire, with the king, not ideological country. King had power because of support of land owners (who also own people living there), support of bourgeoisie/merchants, also externally supported as part of international networks of European royal families which were still quite powerful in the 19th century epoch.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    Slavery in America was a lot different since the slaves were a self-evidently a different group of people from the rulers and even the everyman. This doesn't make it better, but I think this is different than Russian serfs. Serfdom was not standard here. Some people thought big industry treated workers like serfs or even slaves, but I think this was a stretch. Even sharecroppers probably had it better than serfs. Slavery was generally contrary to the American outlook (not counting Indians), but I think it was readily rationalized since black people are quite a bit different from descendants of Northern Europeans in obvious ways. Inevitably it all blew up.

    The English treatment of the Irish may have been more like what happened in Russia. I think the Irish were serfs but were also sold into slavery as indentured people to be worked to death.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  633. @QCIC
    @Wokechoke

    Is there any widespread and explicit desire to revive some modern form of serfdom by the "New Russians"?

    This seems to be the way of America, though we are growing out of a different history.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    We are all Dead Souls now.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Wokechoke

    Speak for yourself!

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  634. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    I’ve never talked to a rightwing Western European? Have you actually met in real life?
     
    You also claim that all Poles are embarrassed by the PiS government, yet 50% (or at least close to that) of the country votes for them in elections.
    Maybe your acquaintances (presumably well-educated professionals in higher income brackets) are representative of only a subset of the population?
    Right-wingers also tend to keep their opinions to themselves, unless they know the person they're talking to has similar views.

    Also in terms of the intellectual ideas, the ideas popular with today’s liberals in America and Europe, are from Europe.
     
    I think I once mentioned that a few years ago I "removed" some BLM posters. Do you think BLM originated in Europe?
    Can't even imagine what you could possibly mean by European ideas popular with American liberals (unless you want to go way back and claim it's all due to the Frankfurt school and other emigres).

    Replies: @Dmitry, @silviosilver, @AP

    Right-wingers also tend to keep their opinions to themselves, unless they know the person they’re talking to has similar views.

    Not even “know,” actually, just suspect can be enough. About a decade ago I met a couple of German cargo ship crewmen in town for the weekend (or however long it takes). I’m pretty sure I didn’t give any direct signals about how I really felt about, uh, “our issues,” but shortly after one of them was talking about some negative consequence (I forget what) in contemporary German society “… if you’re white.” After indicating that I understood their feelings, they went on to share much more. One of them noticed the beer I was drinking, and went and bought a round for us, and I asked him how you say “cheers” in German and the other guy answered, “sieg heil.” I took it as a joke, but it also took me aback a bit. I mean, there’s ‘racism’ and then there’s racism, and at the time I had only recently backed into the conclusion that there’s no other way, that uncomfortable or not, the case for race has to be made explicitly.

    It also highlights one of the difficulties in race talk: there’s always someone ‘more racist’ than you. And it can be very jarring when you encounter it. So you have here Beckow, who by any contemporary usage of the term is unequivocally a ‘racist,’ but here he is belly-aching about ‘facile racism’ and calling people ‘nazis.’ Or take Hack. There’s no question he knows which parts of town to avoid and why (described by Jared Taylor a quarter of a century before the poster here as “here be dragons” – referring to the way we mentally cordon off certain parts of town whose goings on become to us complete mysteries). But some of us are just too explicit about it for comfort, so he withdraws in horror.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    Or take Hack.
     
    I snapped at Mr Hack because I remembered similar comments of his, along the lines that after the victory over Russia Ukraine would liberalize, open itself to the world etc., which from my pov sounds really ominous. He's also easily one of the most "Americanist" commenters here, always making comments along the lines that the American melting pot is essentially working and a great thing. Ok, I get it, it was probably mostly true during his childhood and youth 40-60 years ago. But today? Really? No problems at all with how interethnic relations are playing out? I don't think one even has to be a hardcore racialist to question that assumption, or to have serious misgivings about the trajectory of "liberal democracy" throughout the West.
    I get that Ukrainians want their independence from Russia and despite my frequent criticisms of particular aspects I think it's a fundamentally legitimate desire. What I can't understand however is unrestrained bellicosity coupled with a belief that everything is essentially fine in the West. Which isn't just a problem with Mr Hack (at least he's got a good excuse because of his personal involvement), but with a lot of militant Westerners.

    It also highlights one of the difficulties in race talk: there’s always someone ‘more racist’ than you.
     
    I think to some extent that's a real problem, it is quite possible to take this kind of thing way too far, as Mikel mentioned in his comment about Nazi racial thinking. But on the other hand, I think there are some things one should be able to agree on, if one has any national sentiment at all, that is the kind of mass immigration seen in recent decades has been an absolute disaster.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack

    , @Mr. Hack
    @silviosilver


    Or take Hack. There’s no question he knows which parts of town to avoid and why (described by Jared Taylor a quarter of a century before the poster here as “here be dragons” – referring to the way we mentally cordon off certain parts of town whose goings on become to us complete mysteries). But some of us are just too explicit about it for comfort, so he withdraws in horror.
     
    I live in a "middle class" part of town that has about 40% Latinos, 40% whites, 5% Asians, 5% blacks, etc...I've learned to coexist with folks of other races. I feel no need to travel or spend time in neighborhoods that are better to "avoid", although I've explored some poor neighborhoods and even shanty towns in Costa Rica. So tell me about where you live and how you think that you conduct yourself differently than what you think that I do? I walk the walk and not just talk the talk like I think that you probably do. BTW, I work in a very prestigious Investment Advisory firm in Scottsdale AZ, where the office is fully integrated with all manner of ethnicity, everybody gets along just fine. Let me guess, you work as a farmer who only feels comfortable in the company of white sheep? :-)

    Replies: @silviosilver

  635. @German_reader
    @Matra


    One of the them is his insistence throughout the book that Hitler only became anti-Slav in the late 1930s when two of the Slav nations (Czechs & Poles) became associated in Hitler’s mind with the foreign policy goals of the British
     
    I don't understand this argument, does Simms deny that Hitler's central foreign policy goal was a war of conquest against the Soviet Union? It's probably true that originally he would have preferred to enlist Poland as an ally in such an enterprise, but planning to conquer Russia and exploit her ressources with no regard for the interests of the "natives" already looks seriously "anti-Slav" just taken by itself.
    From reviews of Simms' book I got the impression he makes much of Hitler's Zweites Buch. I've read Zweites Buch, and while it's true Hitler mentions American industrial power and its potential consequences for Germany in it, it's not nearly the dominant theme I had expected it to be. Haven't read Simms' book (and doubt I will any time soon), so I may of course be wrong, but his argument seems a bit forced to me.

    Replies: @Matra

    I don’t understand this argument, does Simms deny that Hitler’s central foreign policy goal was a war of conquest against the Soviet Union?

    No, but it wasn’t due to anti-Slav or anti-Bolshevist reasons. “Cooped up” Germany needed Lebensraum to compete with the British Empire and the US. Nothing personal. As for Polish Slavs, on September 19 1939 Hitler praised Pilsudski and said if he’d lived there’d be no hostility between Germany and Poland. He mostly saw Poland as a staging ground for a later invasion of the USSR. Even after conquering Poland Hitler hoped for a joint expansion eastwards in alliance with a rump Polish state. He only gave up on that when Chamberlain rejected Hitler’s overtures in October, though his partner Stalin’s opposition to any kind of Polish independence also influenced him. From then on Hitler “dropped all restraint towards the population”. A few days later he reprimanded German officers for even trying to come to an agreement with Polish noblemen about a collaborationist regime, something which Hitler had previously favoured. Simms mentions Hitler’s unfavourable observations of Polish people during his visit there after conquering it.

    Bottom line: Hitler’s anti-Polish racism only developed after the conquest of Poland and his harsher treatment of the Polish population was influenced by his spite and fury towards their British allies, not some preconceived notion of Polish/Slavic inferiority.

    • Thanks: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Matra

    The part about Poland is convincing (and in line with what you can read elsewhere), but not sure I believe the larger thesis. I don't think one can neatly separate geopolitics and racial ideology in Hitler's thought, and the focus on the US seems exaggerated to me. But I'd have to read the book to really evaluate it. Thanks for your summary.

    Replies: @Matra

  636. @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    indeed Muscovites
     
    Moscow culture was already snobby in Soviet times and I think it becomes worse every year.

    But in general, in the developing countries the power relationship between rich people and poor people is also larger. So, the snobby attitude, can be based in real power relations i.e. where there is less protection for poor people.

    For example, if teenage children of rich people in a developed country would crash their new Maserati and kill pensioners in an old Lada, they would maybe hire a better lawyer, but it would still be possibly prosecution. However, in Russia, there are still nowadays regularly reports, when the police ignore those cases.

    It's part of the historical process of the developed country, when the elites have accepted a reduction of power or at least legal equality, although not economic equality.


    They could be very competitive and had much more parental and social expectations placed on them. When
     
    In this way, British elites, are probably more of an elite who have internalized some different culture and self-replicating methods across generations.
    -

    In the postsoviet space, it's sometimes like starving poor people were given golden keys. Although it's less for the new generation people who were going to school in Europe.

    The youth of the "alleged secret daughter of Putin" was in England, so she probably has better taste. But before she bought it, this was kitsch apartment decoration of the building in Moscow she bought.

    https://focus.ua/static/storage/thumbs/x600/6/f5/55b45635-a465b540e38fdba165bf4cee2f98bf56.jpg

    https://focus.ua/static/storage/thumbs/x600/2/0a/f5ef9cc3-919e125069690482f3ce5b7bfa10e0a2.jpg


    upper class young women having lower class boyfriends
     
    They are also have self-image as agricultural elite, although surely a fake identity. So, even the cars of the British Royal family, need to be Land Rovers, not Ferraris.

    When Prince William marries a woman from a city, they publish photos to say she is killing animals and doing some kinds of work.
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/30/21/7965386-0-image-a-108_1546206260588.jpg


    In that way they fashioned a ‘cushion’ against the build up of social antagonism and a base from which to grant social concessions and expand democracy in the future.

     

    Also the British empire was very important to create jobs for Kingdom's "Girondins". In the 19th century, De Morgan's parents were like this in India. In 20th century, George Orwell in Myanmar.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Moscow culture was already snobby in Soviet times and I think it becomes worse every year.

    You are right, but it is often the case with the capital cities, Paris being another example, and my German friends also mentioned loathing Berlin, don’t know about London, although there are hardly locals left there. Proof in support of my opinion, might be that prior to the Revolution, it was St Petersburg which was described as being insufferably snobby, while Moscow was seen as pleasantly patriarchal and somewhat archaic.

    Now, there are hardly that many fifth generation Muscovites nowadays, the post-Revolution population experienced a very extreme change: дети Арбата, coming from Odessa or shtetl-born families with high connections in the (Trotskyite circles of) the CPSU, then Ukrainian career-oriented social climbers (my grandfather, God-bless his soul, was a fine example), then limitchky brought in from the Russian glubinka after the war to build and work industrial jobs, and finally the post-Soviet tsunami of anyone who could move to Moscow and stick in by the tip of their teeth and nails, doubling it’s population in a single generation and being disproportionately Central Asian.

    The rare Old Muscovite people I have personally met, I did in my school (a couple of boys ans girls in a class of twenty some pupils) and in my church, Fr Aleksander Saltykov being among them (yes he was from the old nobility Saltykov family going back to the Rurikid Muscovy times).

    Anyway, despite the saying that “Москва не резиновая“, it has this expansive character to it that doesn’t seem to stop inflating.

    I have personally always preferred Piter despite its awful climate. As soon as I disembarked the train (I usually traveled overnight by the Red Arrow) at the Moskovskyi Vokzal, I always felt a profoundly pleasant feeling. I felt exactly the opposite when reaching my destination on the return trip at the Leningradskyi Vokzal.

    I wish I was in Piter, the white nights are soon, it’s such a wonderful moment there…

    [MORE]

    Пора в Питер. Дима, поехали в Питер пить ! Заодно и про пришельцев побазарим

    🙂

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    I was there almost recently in the summer, 2 years ago and also 4 years ago. It's very invested nowadays and they clean and restore the city, with still the good taste.

    What damages it for me in the situation of the city, is all roads, cars, and their noise and pollution. They had some crazy population boom and the center is increasingly traffic and cars. When in Soviet times, it would be mostly pedestrians.

    So, as tourist, I was waiting in the road looking at the beautiful roofs, but then I'm basically waiting next to a traffic jam.

    It's like reading classical literature while standing next to a gas station.

    I would ban all cars, replace all roads with cobblestones for pedestrians. Travel for central residents, should be restricted to skateboards, scooters, roller skates. Allow artists, musicians, writers and creative people to the center, instead of scammers.

    Sadly, I guess a lot of their possibility of tourist industry lost future after February 2022.

    , @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Now, there are hardly that many fifth generation Muscovites nowadays, the post-Revolution population experienced a very extreme change: дети Арбата, coming from Odessa or shtetl-born families with high connections in the (Trotskyite circles of) the CPSU, then Ukrainian career-oriented social climbers (my grandfather, God-bless his soul, was a fine example), then limitchky brought in from the Russian glubinka after the war to build and work industrial jobs, and finally the post-Soviet tsunami of anyone who could move to Moscow and stick in by the tip of their teeth and nails, doubling it’s population in a single generation and being disproportionately Central Asian.
     
    Yes. Ironically the only “old” Muscovite I know is my aunt, whose Galician Russophile ancestors arrived before the Revolution. Our families did not keep in touch but by very strange coincidence she happened to be a friend and coworker of one of my wife’s friends, we discovered that we have copies of the same 19th century family photos. Such a small world.



    My wife came to Moscow from the Urals as a teen student in the 80s when her dad was hired by the Central Committee. Our friends there are her former classmates from MGU, or people from her home city who eventually came to Moscow, and their spouses. Not a single one whose background I know is a native (some were born in Moscow, but to parents who were from elsewhere; none had grandparents from Moscow). But all of them are very proud of their city and consider it to be more of an authentic Russian city than Piter.
  637. @Yahya
    @silviosilver


    Since my seconding Greasy’s recommendation of A Simple Plan proved to be such a flop, maybe I can redeem myself with a couple of suggestions that I think you’re unlikely to have seen: The Go-Between (1971), Don’t Look Now (1973) and Open Your Eyes (1997).

     

    I've watched The Go-Between (1971) and Open Your Eyes (1997) over the past couple of days.

    I did not enjoy watching The Go Between. Unbelievably boring plot. Neither the topics addressed, nor the dialogue, nor the characters interested me one bit. I do not care much for some boy's childhood experience as a message courier, nor of the petty lives of some dull English aristocrats. I thought the writers and director tried to wring as much drama as they could from a thin and banal premise. I don't see how Leo's "experiences" could have possibly traumatized him to the extent where he'd never engage in romantic relationships for the rest of his life. Simply overblown and ridiculous.

    The technicalities of the film were subpar. The cinematography was uninspiring, shaky and substandard. I cannot imagine a more monotonous setting then the Norfolk estate they were filming in. Moreover the characters did not impress me in the least. All of them are superficially portrayed except perhaps Leo and Marian, and even then no single salient quality stands out. Leo is a stock character of a young boy aged 13. Julie Christie is not a very expressive actress who relies on her looks to carry her through. Leo's friend and some side characters could not act if their lives depended on it. The pounding and foreboding piano music was out of place for such a calm countryside; more appropriate for a horror movie then a drama. Not a single scene in this movie evoked the least bit of emotional sentiment on my behalf.

    Apparently some people have given this film the "arthouse" designation. It is therefore appropriate to compare it some high-brow films of similar intellectual stature. The Go Between is just a vastly inferior production. Compare the cinematographic elegance of Bergman's Wild Strawberries; the emotive power of Mikhalkov's Burnt By The Sun; the intriguing plot of Farahdi's About Elly ; the musical score of Kieslowski's Three Colors; or the dialogic excellence of Ceylan's Winter Sleep. Jospeh Losey simply does not hold a candle against them. 5/10.

    Open Your Eyes was a much more interesting film. I watched it without reading any plot descriptions or reviews, as you recommended. Quite a good production overall, the concept is intriguing and original and the execution well-done. There is not much that I can discuss without spoiling the plot, as you know, so I won't delve into the details. But i'll just say that I liked the topics addressed in the film. No matter how many times people confidently proclaim that "looks don't matter, it's what's inside of you that counts" or some derivation thereof; it is rather clear to me that looks do matter a great deal, and is in fact perhaps the most consequential characteristic in an individual's life, alongside intelligence and wealth. There is no getting around the fact that good-looking people receive more attention and respect from others, men and women alike, no matter how crappy the personality. And that the converse is true for uglier people. I'm glad the director here portrayed it as it is.

    I didn't like Caesar on a personal level - he seemed self-centered to an extreme - but it was difficult not to sympathize with his plight. Facial disfigurement has to be the cruelest form of torture Heaven can inflict on a human being; even worse than having a limb sliced off. I'm pretty sure I'd just commit suicide if I were in his position. Caesar is also a good example of emotionalism run amuck; I couldn't but feel contemptuous for the hysterical, self-centered and undignified manner in which he handled his predicament. He should read up on his Seneca. But good movie overall. 8/10.

    I will be watching some Hitchcock flicks next. Reviews will be forthcoming.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Damn, another swing and a miss. I’m hurting. Now, although it’s true I often like certain movies for highly idiosyncratic reasons that very few other people could be expected to share, I could still explain why you’re oh so wrong about The G0-Between, but I think I’ll spare us all the torture of my long-winded explanations. Don’t Look Now is a rather different movie to this, so don’t be put off by it being made around the same time (1973 vs 1971).

    Glad you enjoyed Open Your Eyes – maybe there’s hope for me yet. (The English-language remake, Vanilla Sky, isn’t bad either.) You’re not wrong about Cesar’s disfigurement. Even the most steadfast devotee of the looks-are-only-skin-deep school must have known he had fuck all hope of rekindling the romance at that point. Since you’re interested in the topic, check out Gordon Patzer’s “Looks – Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined.” The title says it all.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @silviosilver

    The G0-Between is OK but it's a bit slow. If I'm not mistaken Julie Christie turned down (staying on topic at Russian Reaction) Nicholas & Alexandra to be in The Go-Between but N&A is a better film, though Russians might not like it (cultural appropriation?).

    Anyone been over to Sailer's for the thread on the Nova Kakhovka dam? I don't go over there much anymore but ever time I do I wonder if Jack D ever actually leaves his computer. I think he's dominated every Sailer thread this decade. Wonder where they get this reputation for gatekeeping?

    Replies: @S, @Yahya

    , @Yahya
    @silviosilver


    but I think I’ll spare us all the torture of my long-winded explanations.
     
    Well I'd like to hear your take on the movie, if you can muster the willpower.

    I think everyone to some extent responds to movies based on idiosyncratic reasons.

    After all, taste is merely a reflection of one's temperament, which is nothing if not idiosyncratic and unique.

    As I finished writing my review of The Go Between, I realized that many of my criticisms could also be made of one of my favorite films of all-time, Burnt By The Sun. If someone was so inclined, he could reasonably designate it as boring, the characters not much of interest, and the production subpar. But the movie did evoke some powerful emotions in me when I watched it, and I maintain a warm feeling of affection for it long after viewing. I still recall this touching scene as though I saw it yesterday:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA6Y3H9Svz4&ab_channel=galhyt

    I thus rate the movie very highly, even when acknowledging that it is reasonable for another person to not be moved by it, and hold the movie in low regard. It is quite natural to seek an objective standard of taste, but ultimately there cannot be a uniform standard, because as Hume writes: "beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty. One person may even perceive deformity, where another is sensible of beauty; and every individual ought to acquiesce in his own sentiment, without pretending to regulate those of others. To seek the real beauty, or real deformity, is as fruitless an enquiry, as to pretend to ascertain the real sweet or real bitter."

    Therefore everyone must be humble in acknowledging that their opinion is only as they perceive it, and not attempt to impose it on others. On the other hand, it is palpably nonsense to put Annie Hall on the same level as Anchorman 2; it is comparable to saying a pond is as large as an ocean. When the difference in quality is stark, it is possible to dismiss the variety of taste; but when two objects are roughly equal in beauty, it becomes more difficult to ascertain which object is superior. The judgements will differ even among those with refined tastes. (Who is more beautiful, Jennifer Connelly or Naomi Watts? There is no correct answer.)

    There are however a couple of fairly objective means of ascertaining the degree of quality. The chief method is to aggregate the subjective opinions of a large number of experts with taste, knowledge and refinement.

    The other method is to listen to everything I have to say. I'm right about everything.

    Replies: @sudden death

  638. @Wokechoke
    @QCIC

    You were rich in how many Souls you owned. You could even buy them when they died…


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PXx-UH0qgY

    There were also these things called Serf Theatre's. Rich Dukes would build theatres in town centres and have the serfs act, build sets and run the shows. Something like Jews do today in New York. It’s true.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    Radio play with Michael Palin narrating. Anyone want to buy life Insurance policies on Wagner Mercenaries and Azov Volunteers?

  639. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    Think of it as postmodern poetry.
     
    Some Persian-Afghan traditional music to save your soul, Ivashka al sadeeq.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgQE6DmLgg8&list=PLk4jQWJwkElTO7fwOk8m_Ibn-gQ_leGiZ&index=89&ab_channel=KabulEnsemble-Topic

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Perhaps we could agree on a middle ground?

    • Agree: Yahya
  640. @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    And yes they are quite brutal, in fact talking in a superior and rigid or outright aggressive manner to someone of an inferior social status is a social marker of an elite Noviop.
     
    It reminds me of an account I read of a German who visited London in the 1930's, and had witnessed a London banker acting friendly and sociable towards someone of a lower social rank on the street. He said a similar scene would never take place in Germany with a Berlin banker.

    Both Germany and post Soviet Russia in each of these instances were much newer constructs than Britain, however. Perhaps given enough time the German and Russian elites would have mellowed out a bit towards their perceived 'lessers' as they had done (apparently) in Britain.

    I also read an account of Sir Richard Burton's trip to the American West during the Indian Wars (ie circa 1870's IIRC) and he had shared a stage coach with an American cavalry captain and his wife, and some others. He was impressed how there was no sign of class that he could observe. Apparently, the thing with class (from complaints of it I've read from Britain) is that it has the potential to be stifling, even suffocating, to both the human spirit, and endeavor.

    Relatedly, I once perused a Stanford Univ college yearbook from 1915 or so. Stanford was an ersatz West Coast wannabe 'Ivy League' school built for wealthy West Coast elites who wanted their kids to have a good education, but didn't want to send their kids cross country to the East Coast to get it.



    The Anglo-Saxon elites were still quite prominent and there were still 'Britishness' there. The campus dinners/parties the yearbook featured were called 'jolly ups', which I'm pretty sure was a holdover term from England.

    Interestingly, in a story about student life at Stanford, there was an admonition that the students in solidarity with the [1776 American] Revolution should always keep their guard up against manifestations of 'classism'. In 1915, of course, they were much closer to 1776, and had that much more awareness of it's tenets.

    About US elites, the horrid template which was in place with many of them and their hangers on during the time of slavery, ie via diktat the importing and employing of less immediately expensive alien [chattel] slaves, as opposed to employing and paying their own the prevailing real time local rates for the labor, aka a living wage, is the very same corrupt template, albeit even more malignant and destructive due to the huge numbers exploited, that remains in place today with wage slavery, ie the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system.

    The US Civil War was a major missed opportunity to have overthrown the chattel slave holding elites and hangers of the South, and their corresponding same ilk in the North, ie the wage slave (so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration') promoters and exploiters, neither group of which cared anything about their own people, and whom only 'cared about their slaves, and the ill-gotten wealth they generated.. A non-slaveholder such as Robert E Lee, an honorable man, would have been just the person to have lead the people of the United States in such an endeavor and in the enacting of a true abolition of slavery.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    A decade or so ago, I happened to read somewhere on the internets about the food that was eaten by the average American South plantation slave vs his contemporary average Irish off-boater immigrant to the US from the potato famine ravaged Irland. The slave had better quality food and ate more of it than the Irish immigrant could afford. A slave was an investment. A costly investment with an ROI that took a few years to become positive. The immigrant cost nothing and paid for everything. The “liberation” of the slaves and the transition from slavery to mass immigration was an OpEx optimization driven by the financial elites.

    • Replies: @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    The “liberation” of the slaves and the transition from slavery to mass immigration was an OpEx optimization driven by the financial elites.
     
    I have sometimes wondered if someone were to do a forensic accounting analysis of just who exactly was financing the 'abolition' movement, they would find London's banks amongst the biggest donors.

    We know it was the Lawrence family of Massachusetts textile factory magnates, whom had financed the construction of Lawrence 'Immigrant City', Mass, and which also financed the construction of it's infamous sister city, the abolition center of Lawrence, 'Bleeding' Kansas, presumably as they wanted wage slaves (so called 'cheap labor') picking the cotton which fed their textile mills rather than the cumbersome and expensive chattel slaves.


    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rCWm168IW9w/VeqzOns9gDI/AAAAAAAAEx0/TP5nC22rmU0/s400/cheap-chinese-labour-cartoon.png


    Anyhow, I stand one hundred percent behind my assertion that chattel slavery and it's trade was in reality monetized* (as opposed to having been abolished) with the early 19th century introduction of wage slavery.

    Just as it was with chattel slavery, there are all too many painfully naive sorts (in reality enablers) whom readily believe the slaver's propaganda, ie the progressive ideology of Multi-Culturalism with it's attached anti-race campaign known euphemistically as 'antracism', that wage slavery (so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration') is 'uplifting' to those preyed upon and is 'beneficial' to all concerned, rather than being the society destroyer it in reality is, and that those whom do the preying actually 'care' about anyone or anything other than first their money, and then themselves as individuals.

    The fact that slavery, in the form of wage slavery**, is the economic and political basis of progressive Multi-Culturalism, is devastating to it's prog advocates and their Multi-Cult ideology. These pompous and arrogant people and their ideology need to be devastated.

    The strong slavery element is what should have been pounded on from day one by this inhuman system's opponents.

    * ie Distilled down to it's financial essence whilst profits were maximized.

    ** Wage slavery, as the systematic theft of the value of the person's labor is most efficiently and profitably taken directly from their pay, ie their wages, and hence the term wage slavery. The benchmark for the modern wage slaver to significantly beat, as it was with the more cumbersome and costly chattel slavery prior, is the prevailing real time local rates for the labor that the slaver would typically have to pay his own people.

    https://archive.org/details/wartimejournalof00andr/page/12/mode/1up?view=theater

    'A question of dollars and cents..'


    'Our Southern States, being still in the agricultural stage, on account of our practical monopoly of the world's chief textile staple, were the last of the great civilized nations to find chattel slavery less profitable than wage slavery, and hence the "great moral crusade" of the North against the perverse and unregenerate South.'

    'It was a pure case of economic determinism, which means that our great moral conflict reduces itself, in the last analysis, to a question of dollars and cents, though the real issue was so obscured by other considerations that we of the South honestly believe to this day that we were fighting for States Rights, while the North is equally honest in the conviction that it was engaged in a magnanimous struggle to free the slave.'
     

    , @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    A slave was an investment. A costly investment with an ROI that took a few years to become positive. The immigrant cost nothing and paid for everything.
     
    I compare the wage slave (so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration') system to 'just in time' slavery. :-)

    https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/just-in-time-inventory/

    A dirty truth that dare not be spoken is that it was to make the whole of the United States safe for wage slavery (ie so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration'), which a recalcitrant South with it's entrenched chattel slavery was balking at accepting, that seven hundred thousand had to die in the US Civil War of 1861-65.

    It's for this same wage slavery system, which is the economic and political basis of the modern progressive Multi-Cultural state, that the peoples of the world (by and large) are being expected to give up their souls. :-(
  641. German_reader says:
    @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    Right-wingers also tend to keep their opinions to themselves, unless they know the person they’re talking to has similar views.
     
    Not even "know," actually, just suspect can be enough. About a decade ago I met a couple of German cargo ship crewmen in town for the weekend (or however long it takes). I'm pretty sure I didn't give any direct signals about how I really felt about, uh, "our issues," but shortly after one of them was talking about some negative consequence (I forget what) in contemporary German society "... if you're white." After indicating that I understood their feelings, they went on to share much more. One of them noticed the beer I was drinking, and went and bought a round for us, and I asked him how you say "cheers" in German and the other guy answered, "sieg heil." I took it as a joke, but it also took me aback a bit. I mean, there's 'racism' and then there's racism, and at the time I had only recently backed into the conclusion that there's no other way, that uncomfortable or not, the case for race has to be made explicitly.

    It also highlights one of the difficulties in race talk: there's always someone 'more racist' than you. And it can be very jarring when you encounter it. So you have here Beckow, who by any contemporary usage of the term is unequivocally a 'racist,' but here he is belly-aching about 'facile racism' and calling people 'nazis.' Or take Hack. There's no question he knows which parts of town to avoid and why (described by Jared Taylor a quarter of a century before the poster here as "here be dragons" - referring to the way we mentally cordon off certain parts of town whose goings on become to us complete mysteries). But some of us are just too explicit about it for comfort, so he withdraws in horror.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack

    Or take Hack.

    I snapped at Mr Hack because I remembered similar comments of his, along the lines that after the victory over Russia Ukraine would liberalize, open itself to the world etc., which from my pov sounds really ominous. He’s also easily one of the most “Americanist” commenters here, always making comments along the lines that the American melting pot is essentially working and a great thing. Ok, I get it, it was probably mostly true during his childhood and youth 40-60 years ago. But today? Really? No problems at all with how interethnic relations are playing out? I don’t think one even has to be a hardcore racialist to question that assumption, or to have serious misgivings about the trajectory of “liberal democracy” throughout the West.
    I get that Ukrainians want their independence from Russia and despite my frequent criticisms of particular aspects I think it’s a fundamentally legitimate desire. What I can’t understand however is unrestrained bellicosity coupled with a belief that everything is essentially fine in the West. Which isn’t just a problem with Mr Hack (at least he’s got a good excuse because of his personal involvement), but with a lot of militant Westerners.

    It also highlights one of the difficulties in race talk: there’s always someone ‘more racist’ than you.

    I think to some extent that’s a real problem, it is quite possible to take this kind of thing way too far, as Mikel mentioned in his comment about Nazi racial thinking. But on the other hand, I think there are some things one should be able to agree on, if one has any national sentiment at all, that is the kind of mass immigration seen in recent decades has been an absolute disaster.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Mr. Hack is above reproach here.
    Anyway, all you need is learn from his long experience... just walk into your closest university, ask for the rector, give a broad smile and firm handshake, and tell him "Sir/Herr, I'd like to work for you", and bingo, you'll find all those nuclear war and 3rd world migration worries will fade away before you even know it.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    The pot is still melting in America, and sure we have problems here. We can only hope to emulate the lifestyle in countries like Norway, that is mostly white, where crimes of passion don't seem to be racially motivated. But yet:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/08/25/world/NORWAY/NORWAY-jumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp
    Anders Behring Breivik in an Oslo courtroom on Friday. He won his effort to be declared sane, and avoid a mental hospital.

    So this guy was deemed to be sane? And I thought that this kind of stuff can only happen in the U.S.

    Replies: @German_reader

  642. German_reader says:
    @Matra
    @German_reader

    I don’t understand this argument, does Simms deny that Hitler’s central foreign policy goal was a war of conquest against the Soviet Union?

    No, but it wasn't due to anti-Slav or anti-Bolshevist reasons. "Cooped up" Germany needed Lebensraum to compete with the British Empire and the US. Nothing personal. As for Polish Slavs, on September 19 1939 Hitler praised Pilsudski and said if he'd lived there'd be no hostility between Germany and Poland. He mostly saw Poland as a staging ground for a later invasion of the USSR. Even after conquering Poland Hitler hoped for a joint expansion eastwards in alliance with a rump Polish state. He only gave up on that when Chamberlain rejected Hitler's overtures in October, though his partner Stalin's opposition to any kind of Polish independence also influenced him. From then on Hitler "dropped all restraint towards the population". A few days later he reprimanded German officers for even trying to come to an agreement with Polish noblemen about a collaborationist regime, something which Hitler had previously favoured. Simms mentions Hitler's unfavourable observations of Polish people during his visit there after conquering it.

    Bottom line: Hitler's anti-Polish racism only developed after the conquest of Poland and his harsher treatment of the Polish population was influenced by his spite and fury towards their British allies, not some preconceived notion of Polish/Slavic inferiority.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The part about Poland is convincing (and in line with what you can read elsewhere), but not sure I believe the larger thesis. I don’t think one can neatly separate geopolitics and racial ideology in Hitler’s thought, and the focus on the US seems exaggerated to me. But I’d have to read the book to really evaluate it. Thanks for your summary.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @German_reader

    Almost every time Simms quotes Hitler on the Americans and the British having loads of living space compared to Germans he emphasizes to the reader that again Hitler made no mention of Bolshevism or Russia. According to him Hitler didn't really care about communism to the east and even thought Stalin was moving away from that anyway. I don't think that is a conventional view.

    One funny part in the book was the disagreement in the 1920s within the Nazi Party about Third Worldism. Many Nazis wanted to actively support non-white independence movements in French and British colonies. Hitler rejected this in the 1920s but around 1938 as he became frustrated with outside criticism of his own policies he made numerous public statements regarding the mistreatment of natives in French/British colonies and blacks in the American South. Even Hitler was a race cuck.

  643. @silviosilver
    @Yahya

    Damn, another swing and a miss. I'm hurting. Now, although it's true I often like certain movies for highly idiosyncratic reasons that very few other people could be expected to share, I could still explain why you're oh so wrong about The G0-Between, but I think I'll spare us all the torture of my long-winded explanations. Don't Look Now is a rather different movie to this, so don't be put off by it being made around the same time (1973 vs 1971).

    Glad you enjoyed Open Your Eyes - maybe there's hope for me yet. (The English-language remake, Vanilla Sky, isn't bad either.) You're not wrong about Cesar's disfigurement. Even the most steadfast devotee of the looks-are-only-skin-deep school must have known he had fuck all hope of rekindling the romance at that point. Since you're interested in the topic, check out Gordon Patzer's "Looks - Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined." The title says it all.

    Replies: @Matra, @Yahya

    The G0-Between is OK but it’s a bit slow. If I’m not mistaken Julie Christie turned down (staying on topic at Russian Reaction) Nicholas & Alexandra to be in The Go-Between but N&A is a better film, though Russians might not like it (cultural appropriation?).

    Anyone been over to Sailer’s for the thread on the Nova Kakhovka dam? I don’t go over there much anymore but ever time I do I wonder if Jack D ever actually leaves his computer. I think he’s dominated every Sailer thread this decade. Wonder where they get this reputation for gatekeeping?

    • Replies: @S
    @Matra


    The G0-Between is OK but it’s a bit slow. If I’m not mistaken Julie Christie turned down (staying on topic at Russian Reaction) Nicholas & Alexandra to be in The Go-Between but N&A is a better film, though Russians might not like it (cultural appropriation?).
     
    Perhaps Christie was wanting to avoid being typecast. She'd already been in Dr Zhivago not so many years prior. :-)

    More seriously, she was a looker but with some far out politics IIRC.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Yahya
    @Matra


    Anyone been over to Sailer’s for the thread on the Nova Kakhovka dam?

     

    I enjoyed watching the recent spat between Twinkie and PhysicistDave. First time I see someone threaten to call law enforcement over an internet feud. Will go down in Unz history as a watershed moment.

    Jack D is a good writer, I enjoy reading his comments. He's more of a breadth than depth type person, so I don't expect any profound insights, but the lucid manner in which he summarizes the facts on certain topics can be useful. After all,

    Facts matter.

    My good buddy S wrote to Matra:


    More seriously, she was a looker but with some far out politics IIRC.

     

    She's a Patron of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, alongside Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn, so definitely a moderate.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Yevardian, @silviosilver

  644. @German_reader
    @Matra

    The part about Poland is convincing (and in line with what you can read elsewhere), but not sure I believe the larger thesis. I don't think one can neatly separate geopolitics and racial ideology in Hitler's thought, and the focus on the US seems exaggerated to me. But I'd have to read the book to really evaluate it. Thanks for your summary.

    Replies: @Matra

    Almost every time Simms quotes Hitler on the Americans and the British having loads of living space compared to Germans he emphasizes to the reader that again Hitler made no mention of Bolshevism or Russia. According to him Hitler didn’t really care about communism to the east and even thought Stalin was moving away from that anyway. I don’t think that is a conventional view.

    One funny part in the book was the disagreement in the 1920s within the Nazi Party about Third Worldism. Many Nazis wanted to actively support non-white independence movements in French and British colonies. Hitler rejected this in the 1920s but around 1938 as he became frustrated with outside criticism of his own policies he made numerous public statements regarding the mistreatment of natives in French/British colonies and blacks in the American South. Even Hitler was a race cuck.

  645. @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    Or take Hack.
     
    I snapped at Mr Hack because I remembered similar comments of his, along the lines that after the victory over Russia Ukraine would liberalize, open itself to the world etc., which from my pov sounds really ominous. He's also easily one of the most "Americanist" commenters here, always making comments along the lines that the American melting pot is essentially working and a great thing. Ok, I get it, it was probably mostly true during his childhood and youth 40-60 years ago. But today? Really? No problems at all with how interethnic relations are playing out? I don't think one even has to be a hardcore racialist to question that assumption, or to have serious misgivings about the trajectory of "liberal democracy" throughout the West.
    I get that Ukrainians want their independence from Russia and despite my frequent criticisms of particular aspects I think it's a fundamentally legitimate desire. What I can't understand however is unrestrained bellicosity coupled with a belief that everything is essentially fine in the West. Which isn't just a problem with Mr Hack (at least he's got a good excuse because of his personal involvement), but with a lot of militant Westerners.

    It also highlights one of the difficulties in race talk: there’s always someone ‘more racist’ than you.
     
    I think to some extent that's a real problem, it is quite possible to take this kind of thing way too far, as Mikel mentioned in his comment about Nazi racial thinking. But on the other hand, I think there are some things one should be able to agree on, if one has any national sentiment at all, that is the kind of mass immigration seen in recent decades has been an absolute disaster.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Hack is above reproach here.
    Anyway, all you need is learn from his long experience… just walk into your closest university, ask for the rector, give a broad smile and firm handshake, and tell him “Sir/Herr, I’d like to work for you“, and bingo, you’ll find all those nuclear war and 3rd world migration worries will fade away before you even know it.

  646. S says:
    @Matra
    @silviosilver

    The G0-Between is OK but it's a bit slow. If I'm not mistaken Julie Christie turned down (staying on topic at Russian Reaction) Nicholas & Alexandra to be in The Go-Between but N&A is a better film, though Russians might not like it (cultural appropriation?).

    Anyone been over to Sailer's for the thread on the Nova Kakhovka dam? I don't go over there much anymore but ever time I do I wonder if Jack D ever actually leaves his computer. I think he's dominated every Sailer thread this decade. Wonder where they get this reputation for gatekeeping?

    Replies: @S, @Yahya

    The G0-Between is OK but it’s a bit slow. If I’m not mistaken Julie Christie turned down (staying on topic at Russian Reaction) Nicholas & Alexandra to be in The Go-Between but N&A is a better film, though Russians might not like it (cultural appropriation?).

    Perhaps Christie was wanting to avoid being typecast. She’d already been in Dr Zhivago not so many years prior. 🙂

    More seriously, she was a looker but with some far out politics IIRC.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @S

    Julie Christie: 5/10. Would not bang.

    Replies: @QCIC, @S, @Matra

  647. QCIC says:
    @Dmitry
    @QCIC


    middle of the 19th century, say 1850

     

    Even in a lot more wealthy and enlightenment America, many states had the same policy as the Russian empire until the American Civil War, when American slaves had possibly less human rights than Russian serfs. Emancipation in the Russian empire is 1861 is two years earlier than America's Emancipation Proclamation of 1863.

    Logical contradiction exists in American history as their founders' moral justification for the independence against Great Britain, uses a text influenced by Enlightenment interpretation of Bible "all men are created equal" in 1776. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_men_are_created_equal

    Russian empire was an empire, with the king, not ideological country. King had power because of support of land owners (who also own people living there), support of bourgeoisie/merchants, also externally supported as part of international networks of European royal families which were still quite powerful in the 19th century epoch.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Slavery in America was a lot different since the slaves were a self-evidently a different group of people from the rulers and even the everyman. This doesn’t make it better, but I think this is different than Russian serfs. Serfdom was not standard here. Some people thought big industry treated workers like serfs or even slaves, but I think this was a stretch. Even sharecroppers probably had it better than serfs. Slavery was generally contrary to the American outlook (not counting Indians), but I think it was readily rationalized since black people are quite a bit different from descendants of Northern Europeans in obvious ways. Inevitably it all blew up.

    The English treatment of the Irish may have been more like what happened in Russia. I think the Irish were serfs but were also sold into slavery as indentured people to be worked to death.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    I feel the Russian empire even after 1861 emancipation is more similar to American "slave colonies" than European nation states. Russia and American South have emancipation in 1860s.

    Brazil only has emancipation in 1888 and I think Brazil is even more slave colony than America or Russia. Today, Brazil is obviously different country than Russia in superficial ways, not so different in the power relations inherited.

    Bashibuzuk writes something above saying Poland is part of the Russian/Ukrainian situation. But today really, Poland is like a modern European nation. Although a bit failing for its people country where many young people don't want to live, it has European nation model and it is more similar to a Western European country.

    Russia and Ukraine still have parts of culture and power relation like the old colonial slave colony.

    This also relates to the question of the success or failure of the society. Is Brazil really a failing country? If you viewed it like a European nation state? From the view of its elite, Brazil can be a very non-failing country. As a country, it's very loyal to its elite.

    By the way, the last time was Medvedev more than ten years ago, they were talking about Russia like we are going to be a modern European nation state. It's more than ten years, they stop saying this. From the view of Putin, the Russian Federation is probably seen as a very successful country now. From their view, it's not going to be the European nation state and the judgement criteria for their success or failure, is already probably feeling different for them for quite a few years.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  648. @Matra
    @silviosilver

    The G0-Between is OK but it's a bit slow. If I'm not mistaken Julie Christie turned down (staying on topic at Russian Reaction) Nicholas & Alexandra to be in The Go-Between but N&A is a better film, though Russians might not like it (cultural appropriation?).

    Anyone been over to Sailer's for the thread on the Nova Kakhovka dam? I don't go over there much anymore but ever time I do I wonder if Jack D ever actually leaves his computer. I think he's dominated every Sailer thread this decade. Wonder where they get this reputation for gatekeeping?

    Replies: @S, @Yahya

    Anyone been over to Sailer’s for the thread on the Nova Kakhovka dam?

    I enjoyed watching the recent spat between Twinkie and PhysicistDave. First time I see someone threaten to call law enforcement over an internet feud. Will go down in Unz history as a watershed moment.

    Jack D is a good writer, I enjoy reading his comments. He’s more of a breadth than depth type person, so I don’t expect any profound insights, but the lucid manner in which he summarizes the facts on certain topics can be useful. After all,

    Facts matter.

    My good buddy S wrote to Matra:

    More seriously, she was a looker but with some far out politics IIRC.

    She’s a Patron of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, alongside Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn, so definitely a moderate.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    Jack D wrote polite and interesting comments to me, personally.

    But he is surely mentally ill. Most of his posts are negative, writing why he is better than the other people. He even trains his dog to hate the African Americans. AP is from the same culture and viewpoints as Jack D, but a bit nicer or less negative version.

    By the way, I can give better recommendations of films.

    For example, if you like Soviet cinema, Mikhail Kalatozov was doing quite modern and technical editing and concepts in the 1950s.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cranes_Are_Flying

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @Yevardian
    @Yahya


    I enjoyed watching the recent spat between Twinkie and PhysicistDave. First time I see someone threaten to call law enforcement over an internet feud. Will go down in Unz history as a watershed moment.
     
    Lol, I don't have much regard for either (both are very much 'cheerleader' type of commenters for their narrow interests), but that sounds like some nice Unz comments low entertainment.
    Jack D is a malevolent worm but occasionally has interesting posts.

    Only rarely visit Sailer thread's, but personally, I like the polite but fundemental disagreement of worldviews between Art Deco and Peter Akuleyev. This site isn't the same without utu.

    Replies: @Yahya

    , @silviosilver
    @Yahya

    Lol that physicistdave dude's a real piece of work. I used to just think he's just stubborn, the ways he's happy to beat a dead horse all day, but that threat (and other ones he says he's made irl) kinda came out of nowhere. (Is it really a watershed moment though, as in things will never be the same again - other people are going to start issuing threats from now on or something?) I only caught that by chance though. I skip most Sailer thread comments, esp the Ukraine ones.

  649. @Wokechoke
    @QCIC

    We are all Dead Souls now.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Speak for yourself!

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @QCIC

    Every dead American soldier gives Uncle Sam a windfall in Life Insurance policy. I shit you not.

  650. @Yahya
    @Matra


    Anyone been over to Sailer’s for the thread on the Nova Kakhovka dam?

     

    I enjoyed watching the recent spat between Twinkie and PhysicistDave. First time I see someone threaten to call law enforcement over an internet feud. Will go down in Unz history as a watershed moment.

    Jack D is a good writer, I enjoy reading his comments. He's more of a breadth than depth type person, so I don't expect any profound insights, but the lucid manner in which he summarizes the facts on certain topics can be useful. After all,

    Facts matter.

    My good buddy S wrote to Matra:


    More seriously, she was a looker but with some far out politics IIRC.

     

    She's a Patron of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, alongside Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn, so definitely a moderate.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Yevardian, @silviosilver

    Jack D wrote polite and interesting comments to me, personally.

    But he is surely mentally ill. Most of his posts are negative, writing why he is better than the other people. He even trains his dog to hate the African Americans. AP is from the same culture and viewpoints as Jack D, but a bit nicer or less negative version.

    By the way, I can give better recommendations of films.

    For example, if you like Soviet cinema, Mikhail Kalatozov was doing quite modern and technical editing and concepts in the 1950s.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cranes_Are_Flying

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Dmitry

    The Cranes Are Flying is of course a widely loved classic. I would also highly recommend I Am Twenty, it even has a brief cameo of a young Tarkovsky as a young drunken oaf.

    Incidentally, a friend of mine's late father personally knew Tarkovsky quite well, and she correspondingly has inherited an extremely low opinion of Tarkovsky's private personality.
    But obviously great artists needn't be good people.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  651. @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    Right-wingers also tend to keep their opinions to themselves, unless they know the person they’re talking to has similar views.
     
    Not even "know," actually, just suspect can be enough. About a decade ago I met a couple of German cargo ship crewmen in town for the weekend (or however long it takes). I'm pretty sure I didn't give any direct signals about how I really felt about, uh, "our issues," but shortly after one of them was talking about some negative consequence (I forget what) in contemporary German society "... if you're white." After indicating that I understood their feelings, they went on to share much more. One of them noticed the beer I was drinking, and went and bought a round for us, and I asked him how you say "cheers" in German and the other guy answered, "sieg heil." I took it as a joke, but it also took me aback a bit. I mean, there's 'racism' and then there's racism, and at the time I had only recently backed into the conclusion that there's no other way, that uncomfortable or not, the case for race has to be made explicitly.

    It also highlights one of the difficulties in race talk: there's always someone 'more racist' than you. And it can be very jarring when you encounter it. So you have here Beckow, who by any contemporary usage of the term is unequivocally a 'racist,' but here he is belly-aching about 'facile racism' and calling people 'nazis.' Or take Hack. There's no question he knows which parts of town to avoid and why (described by Jared Taylor a quarter of a century before the poster here as "here be dragons" - referring to the way we mentally cordon off certain parts of town whose goings on become to us complete mysteries). But some of us are just too explicit about it for comfort, so he withdraws in horror.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack

    Or take Hack. There’s no question he knows which parts of town to avoid and why (described by Jared Taylor a quarter of a century before the poster here as “here be dragons” – referring to the way we mentally cordon off certain parts of town whose goings on become to us complete mysteries). But some of us are just too explicit about it for comfort, so he withdraws in horror.

    I live in a “middle class” part of town that has about 40% Latinos, 40% whites, 5% Asians, 5% blacks, etc…I’ve learned to coexist with folks of other races. I feel no need to travel or spend time in neighborhoods that are better to “avoid”, although I’ve explored some poor neighborhoods and even shanty towns in Costa Rica. So tell me about where you live and how you think that you conduct yourself differently than what you think that I do? I walk the walk and not just talk the talk like I think that you probably do. BTW, I work in a very prestigious Investment Advisory firm in Scottsdale AZ, where the office is fully integrated with all manner of ethnicity, everybody gets along just fine. Let me guess, you work as a farmer who only feels comfortable in the company of white sheep? 🙂

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Mr. Hack

    Calm down. I was talking about an emotional reaction, not a physical withdrawal. But I'll let you off the hook for the misreading since I should've used "recoil" rather than "withdraw." All I mean is you know the basic racial facts of life, even if you find it uncomfortable to admit it to yourself (let alone anyone else). Take a simple American urban survival skill like knowing the safe way home vs the quick way home. Say you tell someone a story involving that concept, and they understand you, and then add: "Yeah, I'm sick of this shit man. We've gotta just exterminate these fucking niggers." Any sane person would recoil at that statement, and think something like "Get the fuck away from me asshole, I'm nothing like you" (or whatever). I was referring to this kind of reaction, not to where you live or travel. And I'm not even really criticizing you for it. It's perfectly normal to resist being equated to people you find distasteful. Unfortunately, your kind of attitude, perfectly understandable though it is, simply reinforces the path to ruin.

    And spare me your happy stories of everyone getting along fine. No shit sherlock, people at work do the best they can to get along with everyone else because their prosperity is at stake. The workplace is hardly the whole of life though. Then again, you give me the impression of having been a lifelong Ukraine-on-the-brainer, so perhaps you don't find anything "off" or "disappointing" about a society composed of people that generally the best you can say about them is they're "tolerable," nothing amiss about the fact you don't share anything more meaningful in common with them than that; if your people have never been anything but fellow Ukrainians, then I guess it doesn't make much difference who "the others" are - other whites, mexers, groids, asians, all the same to you. For my part, I have a rather different conception of what a good society consists of, in which it is certainly not enough that its members are merely "tolerable."

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mr. Hack

  652. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry


    Moscow culture was already snobby in Soviet times and I think it becomes worse every year.
     
    You are right, but it is often the case with the capital cities, Paris being another example, and my German friends also mentioned loathing Berlin, don't know about London, although there are hardly locals left there. Proof in support of my opinion, might be that prior to the Revolution, it was St Petersburg which was described as being insufferably snobby, while Moscow was seen as pleasantly patriarchal and somewhat archaic.

    Now, there are hardly that many fifth generation Muscovites nowadays, the post-Revolution population experienced a very extreme change: дети Арбата, coming from Odessa or shtetl-born families with high connections in the (Trotskyite circles of) the CPSU, then Ukrainian career-oriented social climbers (my grandfather, God-bless his soul, was a fine example), then limitchky brought in from the Russian glubinka after the war to build and work industrial jobs, and finally the post-Soviet tsunami of anyone who could move to Moscow and stick in by the tip of their teeth and nails, doubling it's population in a single generation and being disproportionately Central Asian.

    The rare Old Muscovite people I have personally met, I did in my school (a couple of boys ans girls in a class of twenty some pupils) and in my church, Fr Aleksander Saltykov being among them (yes he was from the old nobility Saltykov family going back to the Rurikid Muscovy times).

    Anyway, despite the saying that "Москва не резиновая", it has this expansive character to it that doesn't seem to stop inflating.

    I have personally always preferred Piter despite its awful climate. As soon as I disembarked the train (I usually traveled overnight by the Red Arrow) at the Moskovskyi Vokzal, I always felt a profoundly pleasant feeling. I felt exactly the opposite when reaching my destination on the return trip at the Leningradskyi Vokzal.

    I wish I was in Piter, the white nights are soon, it's such a wonderful moment there...

    https://youtu.be/OrwuEMisg6w



    Пора в Питер. Дима, поехали в Питер пить ! Заодно и про пришельцев побазарим

    https://youtu.be/1ugivNRYfjc

    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP

    I was there almost recently in the summer, 2 years ago and also 4 years ago. It’s very invested nowadays and they clean and restore the city, with still the good taste.

    What damages it for me in the situation of the city, is all roads, cars, and their noise and pollution. They had some crazy population boom and the center is increasingly traffic and cars. When in Soviet times, it would be mostly pedestrians.

    So, as tourist, I was waiting in the road looking at the beautiful roofs, but then I’m basically waiting next to a traffic jam.

    It’s like reading classical literature while standing next to a gas station.

    I would ban all cars, replace all roads with cobblestones for pedestrians. Travel for central residents, should be restricted to skateboards, scooters, roller skates. Allow artists, musicians, writers and creative people to the center, instead of scammers.

    Sadly, I guess a lot of their possibility of tourist industry lost future after February 2022.

  653. @Mikel
    @Matra


    A German victory would have changed everything.
     
    I'm not sure it would have changed much wrt the Fracoist regime being supplanted by something less reactionary. I was about to answer to Yayah's remark by saying that the Francoist regime actually promoted libtardism in the long term by censoring and oppressing things that were common place among Spain's neighbors and this had a boomerang effect when the regime ended and people were free again to express themselves. Many went to the opposite extreme. But G_R makes a good point that this happened in a context of Spain being surrounded by an American-dominated liberal order.

    However, Nazi Germany and Francoist Spain were totally different systems. If Irving is correct, Hitler was quite exasperated with the clerical turn that the Francoist regime took when the Civil War ended. The more NS-like factions of the Falange lost influence to the National-Catholic sector of the regime. In fact, Franco never joined the Axis. A victory of Nazism in Europe would have probably resulted in an eventual clash between a neo-pagan movement triumphant on the continent and a reactionary Iberian peninsula.

    Replies: @Mikel, @German_reader, @Sher Singh

    A victory of Nazism in Europe would have probably resulted in an eventual clash between a neo-pagan movement triumphant on the continent and a reactionary Iberian peninsula.

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  654. @songbird
    @German_reader


    he was also anti-British, still sour over the loss of the Armada I guess)
     
    Not entirely incomprehensible. The Black Legend was still very much a contemporary phenomenon in the Anglosphere. I myself was assigned the "Pit and the Pendulum" in middle school.

    The Hollywood film The Sea Hawk (1940) made a thin comparison between Hitler and Spain. (Both unrealistic)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sea_Hawk_(1940_film)

    I will meet AP half-way and say it would have been interesting to see a few stories from the Spanish perspective. Francisco de Cuellar's account, for instance, would have made a good movie, IMO. Though of course, things are so dire now, propaganda should focus on cooperation between Europeans.

    Replies: @German_reader, @RSDB, @Sher Singh

    Better Baroque pianos in an Ibero-Germanic Europe
    vs
    The current Anglo-American regime.

    Although, the quality of fiddles has strangely improved..

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Some might say that, if Spain had conquered England, that might have prevented the Dutch from doing so later.

  655. @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    Or take Hack.
     
    I snapped at Mr Hack because I remembered similar comments of his, along the lines that after the victory over Russia Ukraine would liberalize, open itself to the world etc., which from my pov sounds really ominous. He's also easily one of the most "Americanist" commenters here, always making comments along the lines that the American melting pot is essentially working and a great thing. Ok, I get it, it was probably mostly true during his childhood and youth 40-60 years ago. But today? Really? No problems at all with how interethnic relations are playing out? I don't think one even has to be a hardcore racialist to question that assumption, or to have serious misgivings about the trajectory of "liberal democracy" throughout the West.
    I get that Ukrainians want their independence from Russia and despite my frequent criticisms of particular aspects I think it's a fundamentally legitimate desire. What I can't understand however is unrestrained bellicosity coupled with a belief that everything is essentially fine in the West. Which isn't just a problem with Mr Hack (at least he's got a good excuse because of his personal involvement), but with a lot of militant Westerners.

    It also highlights one of the difficulties in race talk: there’s always someone ‘more racist’ than you.
     
    I think to some extent that's a real problem, it is quite possible to take this kind of thing way too far, as Mikel mentioned in his comment about Nazi racial thinking. But on the other hand, I think there are some things one should be able to agree on, if one has any national sentiment at all, that is the kind of mass immigration seen in recent decades has been an absolute disaster.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack

    The pot is still melting in America, and sure we have problems here. We can only hope to emulate the lifestyle in countries like Norway, that is mostly white, where crimes of passion don’t seem to be racially motivated. But yet:


    Anders Behring Breivik in an Oslo courtroom on Friday. He won his effort to be declared sane, and avoid a mental hospital.

    So this guy was deemed to be sane? And I thought that this kind of stuff can only happen in the U.S.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    Not sure what your point is in changing the topic to Breivik. Unless there's some kind of WN revolution in Norway, he will in all likelihood never be released.
    I don't think he's mentally ill btw, just someone who was led by his Nordicist views to a pretty extreme, but logical conclusion. Personal frustration may have played a role, but someone who committed such a complex act of terror must have had intact reasoning faculties.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

  656. @silviosilver
    @Yahya

    Damn, another swing and a miss. I'm hurting. Now, although it's true I often like certain movies for highly idiosyncratic reasons that very few other people could be expected to share, I could still explain why you're oh so wrong about The G0-Between, but I think I'll spare us all the torture of my long-winded explanations. Don't Look Now is a rather different movie to this, so don't be put off by it being made around the same time (1973 vs 1971).

    Glad you enjoyed Open Your Eyes - maybe there's hope for me yet. (The English-language remake, Vanilla Sky, isn't bad either.) You're not wrong about Cesar's disfigurement. Even the most steadfast devotee of the looks-are-only-skin-deep school must have known he had fuck all hope of rekindling the romance at that point. Since you're interested in the topic, check out Gordon Patzer's "Looks - Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined." The title says it all.

    Replies: @Matra, @Yahya

    but I think I’ll spare us all the torture of my long-winded explanations.

    Well I’d like to hear your take on the movie, if you can muster the willpower.

    I think everyone to some extent responds to movies based on idiosyncratic reasons.

    After all, taste is merely a reflection of one’s temperament, which is nothing if not idiosyncratic and unique.

    As I finished writing my review of The Go Between, I realized that many of my criticisms could also be made of one of my favorite films of all-time, Burnt By The Sun. If someone was so inclined, he could reasonably designate it as boring, the characters not much of interest, and the production subpar. But the movie did evoke some powerful emotions in me when I watched it, and I maintain a warm feeling of affection for it long after viewing. I still recall this touching scene as though I saw it yesterday:

    I thus rate the movie very highly, even when acknowledging that it is reasonable for another person to not be moved by it, and hold the movie in low regard. It is quite natural to seek an objective standard of taste, but ultimately there cannot be a uniform standard, because as Hume writes: “beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty. One person may even perceive deformity, where another is sensible of beauty; and every individual ought to acquiesce in his own sentiment, without pretending to regulate those of others. To seek the real beauty, or real deformity, is as fruitless an enquiry, as to pretend to ascertain the real sweet or real bitter.”

    Therefore everyone must be humble in acknowledging that their opinion is only as they perceive it, and not attempt to impose it on others. On the other hand, it is palpably nonsense to put Annie Hall on the same level as Anchorman 2; it is comparable to saying a pond is as large as an ocean. When the difference in quality is stark, it is possible to dismiss the variety of taste; but when two objects are roughly equal in beauty, it becomes more difficult to ascertain which object is superior. The judgements will differ even among those with refined tastes. (Who is more beautiful, Jennifer Connelly or Naomi Watts? There is no correct answer.)

    There are however a couple of fairly objective means of ascertaining the degree of quality. The chief method is to aggregate the subjective opinions of a large number of experts with taste, knowledge and refinement.

    The other method is to listen to everything I have to say. I’m right about everything.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Yahya

    People are psychologically different and this short scene by David Lynch is good test.
    There are not so few people, claiming they're completely unfazed and don't understand what's the cause of the buzz about it.

    Overall, it's not completely flawless and could be improved, but imho this particular scene as it is, still comes very near to being example of perfect filmmaking abililty and craft. Not recommended to view any comments or search info about it before seeing it for the first time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UozhOo0Dt4o

    Replies: @Yahya, @Greasy William

  657. Sher Singh says:
    @German_reader
    @sudden death


    Anyway, we have plenty of hallucinators around about the immediate US economy collapse, but things in reality evolving on the contrary, so it’s worth mentioning.
     
    The only one who's going on here about the collapse of the US financial system is Greasy William (in typical fashion of that subset of US right-wingers who are obsessed with the gold standard), no idea who the "plenty of hallucinators" are supposed to be.

    If so, obviously they may be suffering in the future, but that’s just life.
     
    Haha, ok. When Germany and the rest of the core EU become de-industrialized, go ask the Americans for gibs then and see how far you'll get.
    I realize I must come across like an asshole, but whenever I read your comments, it feels like being stuck in some kind of time warp, like it's forever 1983 and Ronnie Reagan is heroically staring down the Evil Empire. Blessed are those for whom it's that simple.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @A123, @Sher Singh

    go ask the Americans for gibs then and see how far you’ll get.

    American gibs come with the * of giving your women to blacks – which Mr Hack likes.

    Liberalism also drew on the Scientific Revolution (universalist in a more direct sense than Christianity) and economic theories that advocated taking advantage of what had traditionally been regarded as vices to increase peace and prosperity via commerce.

    Been thinking of this – the utility of science as a philosophy vs a Pagan worldview.
    I see a tree when driving – do I think of it carrying the spirit of the Gods or of photosynthesis?

    I guess, that’s really just a test of autism.

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  658. @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    Slavery in America was a lot different since the slaves were a self-evidently a different group of people from the rulers and even the everyman. This doesn't make it better, but I think this is different than Russian serfs. Serfdom was not standard here. Some people thought big industry treated workers like serfs or even slaves, but I think this was a stretch. Even sharecroppers probably had it better than serfs. Slavery was generally contrary to the American outlook (not counting Indians), but I think it was readily rationalized since black people are quite a bit different from descendants of Northern Europeans in obvious ways. Inevitably it all blew up.

    The English treatment of the Irish may have been more like what happened in Russia. I think the Irish were serfs but were also sold into slavery as indentured people to be worked to death.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I feel the Russian empire even after 1861 emancipation is more similar to American “slave colonies” than European nation states. Russia and American South have emancipation in 1860s.

    Brazil only has emancipation in 1888 and I think Brazil is even more slave colony than America or Russia. Today, Brazil is obviously different country than Russia in superficial ways, not so different in the power relations inherited.

    Bashibuzuk writes something above saying Poland is part of the Russian/Ukrainian situation. But today really, Poland is like a modern European nation. Although a bit failing for its people country where many young people don’t want to live, it has European nation model and it is more similar to a Western European country.

    Russia and Ukraine still have parts of culture and power relation like the old colonial slave colony.

    This also relates to the question of the success or failure of the society. Is Brazil really a failing country? If you viewed it like a European nation state? From the view of its elite, Brazil can be a very non-failing country. As a country, it’s very loyal to its elite.

    By the way, the last time was Medvedev more than ten years ago, they were talking about Russia like we are going to be a modern European nation state. It’s more than ten years, they stop saying this. From the view of Putin, the Russian Federation is probably seen as a very successful country now. From their view, it’s not going to be the European nation state and the judgement criteria for their success or failure, is already probably feeling different for them for quite a few years.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Russia wasn't a modern European nation state when it was killing its own dissidents abroad. Unless you believe that it wasn't really Russia who was doing this. But Yeah, generally speaking, modern European nation states don't engage in that kind of behavior. Even the partly Europeanized Tsarist Russia did not engage in that kind of behavior, a bit regretfully, in fact, because Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin would have certainly deserved such a fate (but most other Tsarist-era Russian emigre dissidents probably would not have).

    Replies: @Dmitry

  659. @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    The missile sites in Eastern Europe were planned before 2014 and commissioned after. The few things I listed are part of a larger set of aggressive actions made by the West against Russia. Overall, the West acted as if Russia did not have a powerful nuclear arsenal. The Russians announced the six advanced new weapons in 2019, I guess the West didn't get the message. These weapons were apparently developed as a reaction to Western moves, not a preemption.

    Everything the West has done in Ukraine since 2014 has effectively ratcheted up nuclear tensions.

    I don't know why anyone would defend this. Now that it has been pointed out, why don't you reconsider?

    Since the West has ignored all reason, the Russian military may start thinking preemptively. A sensible person should be thinking, OMFG what have we done? How can WE turn down the heat? Since the West created this mess, we have to clean it up.

    Call your Congress critter and demand they stop this madness.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Were the missile sites that Obama cancelled in 2009-2010 rebuilt after 2014? Was anything rebuilt before 2014?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    I had forgotten about this Obama-era change. I think the concept of the sites canceled by that administration evolved into what exists now. Apparently the planned radar in Czechia morphed into the radar+missiles site in Romania while Poland eventually got a radar+missile site instead of just missiles. I wonder if the Czechs saw the bigger picture and backed out?

    I don't think the technical capability of these sites is very important, but the mere fact the West is emplacing these missiles relatively close to Russia is important. The intent is clear, just as with dropping out of the ABM treaty.

    The West already had Patriot missiles and Aegis missile destroyers in and around Europe with somewhat similar capability to the fixed sites. The difference is those assets were part of the earlier status quo and not part of the explicit increase of pressure on Russia post-ABM treaty.

  660. @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    I feel the Russian empire even after 1861 emancipation is more similar to American "slave colonies" than European nation states. Russia and American South have emancipation in 1860s.

    Brazil only has emancipation in 1888 and I think Brazil is even more slave colony than America or Russia. Today, Brazil is obviously different country than Russia in superficial ways, not so different in the power relations inherited.

    Bashibuzuk writes something above saying Poland is part of the Russian/Ukrainian situation. But today really, Poland is like a modern European nation. Although a bit failing for its people country where many young people don't want to live, it has European nation model and it is more similar to a Western European country.

    Russia and Ukraine still have parts of culture and power relation like the old colonial slave colony.

    This also relates to the question of the success or failure of the society. Is Brazil really a failing country? If you viewed it like a European nation state? From the view of its elite, Brazil can be a very non-failing country. As a country, it's very loyal to its elite.

    By the way, the last time was Medvedev more than ten years ago, they were talking about Russia like we are going to be a modern European nation state. It's more than ten years, they stop saying this. From the view of Putin, the Russian Federation is probably seen as a very successful country now. From their view, it's not going to be the European nation state and the judgement criteria for their success or failure, is already probably feeling different for them for quite a few years.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Russia wasn’t a modern European nation state when it was killing its own dissidents abroad. Unless you believe that it wasn’t really Russia who was doing this. But Yeah, generally speaking, modern European nation states don’t engage in that kind of behavior. Even the partly Europeanized Tsarist Russia did not engage in that kind of behavior, a bit regretfully, in fact, because Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin would have certainly deserved such a fate (but most other Tsarist-era Russian emigre dissidents probably would not have).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    That's not true. "Okhrana" obviously was involved in assassinations, although it's a time of not very clear information.

    I would agree, there is a difference of Russia to slave colonies like Brazil and Antebellum Southern States of USA. As, Brazil and Southern states of USA were slave colonies in similar way that were even more brutal sometimes to the slaves, but they don't have this history as such internally unstable police state.

    The history in Russia has been like hybrid of American style slave colony and unstable police state, when assassinations and prisoner camps have been old traditions to allow any times of equilibrium.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  661. @S
    @Matra


    The G0-Between is OK but it’s a bit slow. If I’m not mistaken Julie Christie turned down (staying on topic at Russian Reaction) Nicholas & Alexandra to be in The Go-Between but N&A is a better film, though Russians might not like it (cultural appropriation?).
     
    Perhaps Christie was wanting to avoid being typecast. She'd already been in Dr Zhivago not so many years prior. :-)

    More seriously, she was a looker but with some far out politics IIRC.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Julie Christie: 5/10. Would not bang.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    Hmmm. She is fairly androgynous.

    , @S
    @Greasy William


    Julie Christie: 5/10.
     
    You have a most peculiar way of saying the exact opposite of the truth on any given matter.

    Are you a site troll by chance? :-)

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Matra
    @Greasy William

    Is it the manly chin?

  662. @Mr. Hack
    @silviosilver


    Or take Hack. There’s no question he knows which parts of town to avoid and why (described by Jared Taylor a quarter of a century before the poster here as “here be dragons” – referring to the way we mentally cordon off certain parts of town whose goings on become to us complete mysteries). But some of us are just too explicit about it for comfort, so he withdraws in horror.
     
    I live in a "middle class" part of town that has about 40% Latinos, 40% whites, 5% Asians, 5% blacks, etc...I've learned to coexist with folks of other races. I feel no need to travel or spend time in neighborhoods that are better to "avoid", although I've explored some poor neighborhoods and even shanty towns in Costa Rica. So tell me about where you live and how you think that you conduct yourself differently than what you think that I do? I walk the walk and not just talk the talk like I think that you probably do. BTW, I work in a very prestigious Investment Advisory firm in Scottsdale AZ, where the office is fully integrated with all manner of ethnicity, everybody gets along just fine. Let me guess, you work as a farmer who only feels comfortable in the company of white sheep? :-)

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Calm down. I was talking about an emotional reaction, not a physical withdrawal. But I’ll let you off the hook for the misreading since I should’ve used “recoil” rather than “withdraw.” All I mean is you know the basic racial facts of life, even if you find it uncomfortable to admit it to yourself (let alone anyone else). Take a simple American urban survival skill like knowing the safe way home vs the quick way home. Say you tell someone a story involving that concept, and they understand you, and then add: “Yeah, I’m sick of this shit man. We’ve gotta just exterminate these fucking niggers.” Any sane person would recoil at that statement, and think something like “Get the fuck away from me asshole, I’m nothing like you” (or whatever). I was referring to this kind of reaction, not to where you live or travel. And I’m not even really criticizing you for it. It’s perfectly normal to resist being equated to people you find distasteful. Unfortunately, your kind of attitude, perfectly understandable though it is, simply reinforces the path to ruin.

    And spare me your happy stories of everyone getting along fine. No shit sherlock, people at work do the best they can to get along with everyone else because their prosperity is at stake. The workplace is hardly the whole of life though. Then again, you give me the impression of having been a lifelong Ukraine-on-the-brainer, so perhaps you don’t find anything “off” or “disappointing” about a society composed of people that generally the best you can say about them is they’re “tolerable,” nothing amiss about the fact you don’t share anything more meaningful in common with them than that; if your people have never been anything but fellow Ukrainians, then I guess it doesn’t make much difference who “the others” are – other whites, mexers, groids, asians, all the same to you. For my part, I have a rather different conception of what a good society consists of, in which it is certainly not enough that its members are merely “tolerable.”

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @silviosilver

    Yeah, I’m sick of this shit man. We’ve gotta just exterminate these fucking niggers.” Any sane person would recoil at that statement, and think something like “Get the fuck away from me asshole, I’m nothing like you” (or whatever).


    That's due to black privilege.
    Conditioned response

    Same person agrees wholeheartedly regarding gypsies, Mexicans, Indians quite a few with Muslims as well.

    You're a wop trying to be a good white. Quit trying to fit into a culture that's not your's. Join the multicultural racist alliance!

    , @Mr. Hack
    @silviosilver


    It’s perfectly normal to resist being equated to people you find distasteful. Unfortunately, your kind of attitude, perfectly understandable though it is, simply reinforces the path to ruin.
     
    So, I'm to change my normal disposition to that of some boorish, racist psychopath in order to avoid creating the path of ruin? Wow, you sound more conflicted than I ever imagined. :-(

    For my part, I have a rather different conception of what a good society consists of, in which it is certainly not enough that its members are merely “tolerable.”
     
    Sure, I'm all ears, do tell more about your vision of a just and good society:

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/aa2e3028f1e2adc6e6e185f3b43a2c7a/tumblr_nnjqpl3wr61rr5t33o1_640.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  663. Macgregor on Serb Radio Chicago discussing Kosovo and Russia-Ukraine:

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    This interview has some interesting history of military aspects of the war in the Balkans as well as current politics in the USA.

  664. @Yahya
    @Matra


    Anyone been over to Sailer’s for the thread on the Nova Kakhovka dam?

     

    I enjoyed watching the recent spat between Twinkie and PhysicistDave. First time I see someone threaten to call law enforcement over an internet feud. Will go down in Unz history as a watershed moment.

    Jack D is a good writer, I enjoy reading his comments. He's more of a breadth than depth type person, so I don't expect any profound insights, but the lucid manner in which he summarizes the facts on certain topics can be useful. After all,

    Facts matter.

    My good buddy S wrote to Matra:


    More seriously, she was a looker but with some far out politics IIRC.

     

    She's a Patron of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, alongside Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn, so definitely a moderate.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Yevardian, @silviosilver

    I enjoyed watching the recent spat between Twinkie and PhysicistDave. First time I see someone threaten to call law enforcement over an internet feud. Will go down in Unz history as a watershed moment.

    Lol, I don’t have much regard for either (both are very much ‘cheerleader’ type of commenters for their narrow interests), but that sounds like some nice Unz comments low entertainment.
    Jack D is a malevolent worm but occasionally has interesting posts.

    Only rarely visit Sailer thread’s, but personally, I like the polite but fundemental disagreement of worldviews between Art Deco and Peter Akuleyev. This site isn’t the same without utu.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    Only rarely visit Sailer thread’s, but personally, I like the polite but fundemental disagreement of worldviews between Art Deco and Peter Akuleyev. This site isn’t the same without utu.
     
    There are quite a few intelligent and erudite individuals among the Sailer commentariat. I particularly look towards the comments of Dearieme, Pincher Martin, Bardon Kaldian, Pixo/Lot, AndrewR, and Kylie.

    Twinkie I am familiar from the Audacious Epigone times. He is very intelligent and writes plenty of high-quality comments, but is difficult to get along with due to extreme narcissism. I can't count how many times i've seen him get into (nasty) fights over minor disagreements, even with people he hitherto had been friendly with.

    I agree utu's pugnacious presence is a big loss for Unzistan. One of the more colorful characters on this site. OTOH, I'm pretty sure he would've viciously attacked me for espousing "IQist" views recently, if he had stayed on. So perhaps I'm not as regretful as you that he left. German_Reader and Mikel certainly aren't :)

    Iffen also departed the land of Unzistan, after many long years of laconic witticisms. I'd say he was my favorite commentor, even though he didn't put much effort into his posts, which mostly consisted of snark and irony. But a good guy.

    Replies: @German_reader

  665. @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    Jack D wrote polite and interesting comments to me, personally.

    But he is surely mentally ill. Most of his posts are negative, writing why he is better than the other people. He even trains his dog to hate the African Americans. AP is from the same culture and viewpoints as Jack D, but a bit nicer or less negative version.

    By the way, I can give better recommendations of films.

    For example, if you like Soviet cinema, Mikhail Kalatozov was doing quite modern and technical editing and concepts in the 1950s.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cranes_Are_Flying

    Replies: @Yevardian

    The Cranes Are Flying is of course a widely loved classic. I would also highly recommend I Am Twenty, it even has a brief cameo of a young Tarkovsky as a young drunken oaf.

    Incidentally, a friend of mine’s late father personally knew Tarkovsky quite well, and she correspondingly has inherited an extremely low opinion of Tarkovsky’s private personality.
    But obviously great artists needn’t be good people.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Yevardian

    Yes, Tarkovsky was obviously a bad person, in terms of spiritually. He killed a real horse to produce the film "Andrei Rublev". But he was a talented and innovative kind of visual artist of the Soviet culture.

    In terms of the attainments of the Soviet art. The most important art attainments of the Soviet culture was music, especially music performance.

    But even popular culture, film, architecture was flooded with talented people. Just after Eisenstein, it didn't go as well as American, Italian and Japanese cinema.

    Possibly, postwar West German cinema, Swedish cinema was in a similar level. Polish and Czech cinema was also possibly very good.

    In Lodz, there was a very successful film school. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81%C3%B3d%C5%BA_Film_School

    Replies: @Yevardian

  666. @Yahya
    @silviosilver


    but I think I’ll spare us all the torture of my long-winded explanations.
     
    Well I'd like to hear your take on the movie, if you can muster the willpower.

    I think everyone to some extent responds to movies based on idiosyncratic reasons.

    After all, taste is merely a reflection of one's temperament, which is nothing if not idiosyncratic and unique.

    As I finished writing my review of The Go Between, I realized that many of my criticisms could also be made of one of my favorite films of all-time, Burnt By The Sun. If someone was so inclined, he could reasonably designate it as boring, the characters not much of interest, and the production subpar. But the movie did evoke some powerful emotions in me when I watched it, and I maintain a warm feeling of affection for it long after viewing. I still recall this touching scene as though I saw it yesterday:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA6Y3H9Svz4&ab_channel=galhyt

    I thus rate the movie very highly, even when acknowledging that it is reasonable for another person to not be moved by it, and hold the movie in low regard. It is quite natural to seek an objective standard of taste, but ultimately there cannot be a uniform standard, because as Hume writes: "beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty. One person may even perceive deformity, where another is sensible of beauty; and every individual ought to acquiesce in his own sentiment, without pretending to regulate those of others. To seek the real beauty, or real deformity, is as fruitless an enquiry, as to pretend to ascertain the real sweet or real bitter."

    Therefore everyone must be humble in acknowledging that their opinion is only as they perceive it, and not attempt to impose it on others. On the other hand, it is palpably nonsense to put Annie Hall on the same level as Anchorman 2; it is comparable to saying a pond is as large as an ocean. When the difference in quality is stark, it is possible to dismiss the variety of taste; but when two objects are roughly equal in beauty, it becomes more difficult to ascertain which object is superior. The judgements will differ even among those with refined tastes. (Who is more beautiful, Jennifer Connelly or Naomi Watts? There is no correct answer.)

    There are however a couple of fairly objective means of ascertaining the degree of quality. The chief method is to aggregate the subjective opinions of a large number of experts with taste, knowledge and refinement.

    The other method is to listen to everything I have to say. I'm right about everything.

    Replies: @sudden death

    People are psychologically different and this short scene by David Lynch is good test.
    There are not so few people, claiming they’re completely unfazed and don’t understand what’s the cause of the buzz about it.

    Overall, it’s not completely flawless and could be improved, but imho this particular scene as it is, still comes very near to being example of perfect filmmaking abililty and craft. Not recommended to view any comments or search info about it before seeing it for the first time:

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Yahya
    @sudden death

    Thanks. That was indeed a remarkable piece of filmmaking.

    The camerawork, music and delivery are perfect.

    I jumped out of my seat.

    I have not watched any of David Lynch's movies for some reason.

    I'll push his movies up the queue.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Greasy William
    @sudden death

    It is a perfect scene.

    Mulholland Drive is a great film but Lost Highway is another solid Lynch film.

    Replies: @sudden death

  667. @sudden death
    @Yahya

    People are psychologically different and this short scene by David Lynch is good test.
    There are not so few people, claiming they're completely unfazed and don't understand what's the cause of the buzz about it.

    Overall, it's not completely flawless and could be improved, but imho this particular scene as it is, still comes very near to being example of perfect filmmaking abililty and craft. Not recommended to view any comments or search info about it before seeing it for the first time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UozhOo0Dt4o

    Replies: @Yahya, @Greasy William

    Thanks. That was indeed a remarkable piece of filmmaking.

    The camerawork, music and delivery are perfect.

    I jumped out of my seat.

    I have not watched any of David Lynch’s movies for some reason.

    I’ll push his movies up the queue.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Yahya


    I have not watched any of David Lynch’s movies for some reason.

    I’ll push his movies up the queue.
     
    Good luck.

    The only thing of his I have actually enjoyed is the first season of Twin Peaks.

    Blue Velvet, sorta kinda. There's a lot there to hate, viscerally hate, but somehow I made it through.

    Given up less than a third of the way through Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive. Just too weird, couldn't be bothered.

    Also, if you enjoy Hitchcock, I think you'll probably also like Brian De Palma's films, if you're not familiar with them. (I've watched most of them and liked everything I've watched.)

    Replies: @songbird

  668. @Yevardian
    @Yahya


    I enjoyed watching the recent spat between Twinkie and PhysicistDave. First time I see someone threaten to call law enforcement over an internet feud. Will go down in Unz history as a watershed moment.
     
    Lol, I don't have much regard for either (both are very much 'cheerleader' type of commenters for their narrow interests), but that sounds like some nice Unz comments low entertainment.
    Jack D is a malevolent worm but occasionally has interesting posts.

    Only rarely visit Sailer thread's, but personally, I like the polite but fundemental disagreement of worldviews between Art Deco and Peter Akuleyev. This site isn't the same without utu.

    Replies: @Yahya

    Only rarely visit Sailer thread’s, but personally, I like the polite but fundemental disagreement of worldviews between Art Deco and Peter Akuleyev. This site isn’t the same without utu.

    There are quite a few intelligent and erudite individuals among the Sailer commentariat. I particularly look towards the comments of Dearieme, Pincher Martin, Bardon Kaldian, Pixo/Lot, AndrewR, and Kylie.

    Twinkie I am familiar from the Audacious Epigone times. He is very intelligent and writes plenty of high-quality comments, but is difficult to get along with due to extreme narcissism. I can’t count how many times i’ve seen him get into (nasty) fights over minor disagreements, even with people he hitherto had been friendly with.

    I agree utu’s pugnacious presence is a big loss for Unzistan. One of the more colorful characters on this site. OTOH, I’m pretty sure he would’ve viciously attacked me for espousing “IQist” views recently, if he had stayed on. So perhaps I’m not as regretful as you that he left. German_Reader and Mikel certainly aren’t 🙂

    Iffen also departed the land of Unzistan, after many long years of laconic witticisms. I’d say he was my favorite commentor, even though he didn’t put much effort into his posts, which mostly consisted of snark and irony. But a good guy.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yahya


    German_Reader and Mikel certainly aren’t
     
    I actually am, at least somewhat, since for many years utu provided interesting content. Maybe I shouldn't have been quite so mean towards him near the end of his commenting activity here. But I also feel he really went off the rails at the end, with the more unpleasant sides of his character becoming dominant. Still a pity he left. I hope he only did so, because he was fed up with UR, not because anything happened to him in real life.
  669. @Yahya
    @Matra


    Anyone been over to Sailer’s for the thread on the Nova Kakhovka dam?

     

    I enjoyed watching the recent spat between Twinkie and PhysicistDave. First time I see someone threaten to call law enforcement over an internet feud. Will go down in Unz history as a watershed moment.

    Jack D is a good writer, I enjoy reading his comments. He's more of a breadth than depth type person, so I don't expect any profound insights, but the lucid manner in which he summarizes the facts on certain topics can be useful. After all,

    Facts matter.

    My good buddy S wrote to Matra:


    More seriously, she was a looker but with some far out politics IIRC.

     

    She's a Patron of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, alongside Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn, so definitely a moderate.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Yevardian, @silviosilver

    Lol that physicistdave dude’s a real piece of work. I used to just think he’s just stubborn, the ways he’s happy to beat a dead horse all day, but that threat (and other ones he says he’s made irl) kinda came out of nowhere. (Is it really a watershed moment though, as in things will never be the same again – other people are going to start issuing threats from now on or something?) I only caught that by chance though. I skip most Sailer thread comments, esp the Ukraine ones.

  670. American military engineers made a computer simulation of the destruction of the Kakhovskaya HPP six months before the explosion . It can be seen that the left bank (the Russian part) will suffer more

  671. Sher Singh says:
    @silviosilver
    @Mr. Hack

    Calm down. I was talking about an emotional reaction, not a physical withdrawal. But I'll let you off the hook for the misreading since I should've used "recoil" rather than "withdraw." All I mean is you know the basic racial facts of life, even if you find it uncomfortable to admit it to yourself (let alone anyone else). Take a simple American urban survival skill like knowing the safe way home vs the quick way home. Say you tell someone a story involving that concept, and they understand you, and then add: "Yeah, I'm sick of this shit man. We've gotta just exterminate these fucking niggers." Any sane person would recoil at that statement, and think something like "Get the fuck away from me asshole, I'm nothing like you" (or whatever). I was referring to this kind of reaction, not to where you live or travel. And I'm not even really criticizing you for it. It's perfectly normal to resist being equated to people you find distasteful. Unfortunately, your kind of attitude, perfectly understandable though it is, simply reinforces the path to ruin.

    And spare me your happy stories of everyone getting along fine. No shit sherlock, people at work do the best they can to get along with everyone else because their prosperity is at stake. The workplace is hardly the whole of life though. Then again, you give me the impression of having been a lifelong Ukraine-on-the-brainer, so perhaps you don't find anything "off" or "disappointing" about a society composed of people that generally the best you can say about them is they're "tolerable," nothing amiss about the fact you don't share anything more meaningful in common with them than that; if your people have never been anything but fellow Ukrainians, then I guess it doesn't make much difference who "the others" are - other whites, mexers, groids, asians, all the same to you. For my part, I have a rather different conception of what a good society consists of, in which it is certainly not enough that its members are merely "tolerable."

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mr. Hack

    Yeah, I’m sick of this shit man. We’ve gotta just exterminate these fucking niggers.” Any sane person would recoil at that statement, and think something like “Get the fuck away from me asshole, I’m nothing like you” (or whatever).

    That’s due to black privilege.
    Conditioned response

    Same person agrees wholeheartedly regarding gypsies, Mexicans, Indians quite a few with Muslims as well.

    You’re a wop trying to be a good white. Quit trying to fit into a culture that’s not your’s. Join the multicultural racist alliance!

  672. @QCIC
    @Sher Singh

    This stuff has been growing a long time, noticeably since the 1970's. It may increase vaguely like an exponential. It starts off at a low level in the culture and then starts doubling every five years. At the beginning twice a low level is still low so most people don't notice. Gradually it becomes visible and each doubling becomes disturbing. Eventually after the final doubling it is saturated and can grow no more. On an absolute level (not percentage) the prevalence increases enormously in just the last three doublings. Hopefully it is saturating now so the big question is how to correct things back to healthy normal.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    https://twitter.com/thesatsol/status/1666478156751020034?s=46

    There are always heroes who defy every age.

  673. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    But I guess a Nazi domination of Europe should have driven Nordicism to its logical conclusion wrt to the North-South divide too.
     
    Certainly can't be excluded, though I'm not sure, there were no plans for German settlement in southern Europe after all (at least I don't know of any). tbh (and I don't meant that as criticism of you personally, rather as a general observation) to some extent such speculation seems to me grounded in post-war attempts by former German allies to distance themselves from that tainted association and argue that they too were victims of Germans, or would eventually have become such. This is very evident with Italy, where even today you find arguments that Italian fascism was something categorically different from Nazism and was only allied with it almost by accident (though there also seems to be a recent historiographical trend which instead emphasizes the commonalities of the two regimes, how they learned from and interacted with each other, one of a kind, though obviously Germany was the much more extreme case).
    It's definitely true though that the character of Nazi racial ideology precluded any genuinely pan-European cooperation.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    This is very evident with Italy, where even today you find arguments that Italian fascism was something categorically different from Nazism and was only allied with it almost by accident (though there also seems to be a recent historiographical trend which instead emphasizes the commonalities of the two regimes, how they learned from and interacted with each other, one of a kind, though obviously Germany was the much more extreme case).

    There are cases like Carl Schmitt’s that may point at the differences, in 1933 he was ‘Hitler’s jurist’ then it seems like after 1936 he had to keep a low profile after the SS decided he was a crypto-Catholic and a Hegelian who was not serious about anti-Semitism. Crypto-Catholic, Hegelian and low interest in anti-Semitism would accurately describe Giovanni Gentile, Italian Fascism’s main philosopher and ideologist.

    Sternhell, the Franco-Israeli historian points out the number of Jews involved in Italian Fascism in the early period (Mussolini had a Jewish intellectual as a mistress who helped him with ideology), and the influence of more crypto-Catholic revolutionary syndicalists, Marxist-nationalists and so on. I guess from the Nazi point of view this would have been too left-wing and Jewish.

    In one way these are certainly Byzantine arguments among far-right factions who did share a lot of other things in common, but these sort of things may be where some of the arguments about Nazi-Fascism differences are coming from. I haven’t got around to reading anything about the ‘racial’ turn in Fascism in the later 30s yet though to see what sorts of changes it involved.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Coconuts


    Sternhell, the Franco-Israeli historian points out the number of Jews involved in Italian Fascism in the early period (Mussolini had a Jewish intellectual as a mistress who helped him with ideology)
     
    Heh. The main theorist of the Ukrainian OUN also had a Jewish wife:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Stsiborskyi
    , @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    Sternhell, the Franco-Israeli historian points out the number of Jews involved in Italian Fascism in the early period (Mussolini had a Jewish intellectual as a mistress who helped him with ideology)
     
    Sure, but eventually fascist Italy also enacted racial laws, including antisemitic ones, and the dominant view now seems to be that this wasn't in any way forced on Italy by the German alliance, but more of an organic development, triggered by the Ethiopian war.
    One key difference probably was the lasting influence of old elites like monarchists in fascist Italy, due to the way Mussolini had come to power. They were a moderating factor. There's an argument that the Salò regime after September 1943 was more indicative of what a "pure" fascism might have been like. But to some extent it was of course also a German puppet regime, so difficult to judge.
    In any case, it's certainly true that fascist Italy never quite went to the extremes of mass murder Nazi Germany did (though it did employ pretty brutal methods in its colonies and wars abroad). But it also wasn't just the operatic joke it's often depicted as.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  674. AP says:
    @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    I’ve never talked to a rightwing Western European? Have you actually met in real life?
     
    You also claim that all Poles are embarrassed by the PiS government, yet 50% (or at least close to that) of the country votes for them in elections.
    Maybe your acquaintances (presumably well-educated professionals in higher income brackets) are representative of only a subset of the population?
    Right-wingers also tend to keep their opinions to themselves, unless they know the person they're talking to has similar views.

    Also in terms of the intellectual ideas, the ideas popular with today’s liberals in America and Europe, are from Europe.
     
    I think I once mentioned that a few years ago I "removed" some BLM posters. Do you think BLM originated in Europe?
    Can't even imagine what you could possibly mean by European ideas popular with American liberals (unless you want to go way back and claim it's all due to the Frankfurt school and other emigres).

    Replies: @Dmitry, @silviosilver, @AP

    You also claim that all Poles are embarrassed by the PiS government, yet 50% (or at least close to that) of the country votes for them in elections.
    Maybe your acquaintances (presumably well-educated professionals in higher income brackets) are representative of only a subset of the population?

    Most of the Poles I know support PiS. They are around age 50 so not young, but highly educated and wealthy. But generally conservative and with kids.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @AP

    Most of the Poles I know support PiS. They are around age 50 so not young, but highly educated and wealthy. But generally conservative and with kids.

    You should encourage them to visit Rotterdam or Rotherham so they can get a glimpse of the future that awaits their grandchildren:


    https://twitter.com/PoleConnection/status/1667190559155396609

    Replies: @AP

  675. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I don’t recall what I wrote about Moldova, but what happens there depends on the West, Romania, Ukraine and Russia. If Moldova can find a neutral stance which has some vague credibility with those players neutrality can probably work.

    Moldova was scheduled for invasion and was only stopped by Ukraine resisting the dictator's war.

    Lukashenko even leaked the plans to invade Moldova on live television:
    https://thehill.com/policy/international/596409-belarus-president-stands-in-front-of-battle-map-indicating-moldova/

    So blaming the West makes zero sense. Putin was going to expand the empire by gobbling up non-NATO former Soviet bloc countries. The Baltics would undoubtedly have been on the list if not for NATO protection. The Russians still speak of the Baltics as belonging to them. They have a Russian minority which Putin would have used as a BS excuse of protecting them.

    Russia invades a neighboring country ever 30-50 years. They didn't stop with the USSR. Not a single country in the USSR had a majority that wanted to be part of Communism. Hungary tried to leave as an independent Socialist Republic and Moscow responded with tanks which meant the entire structure was a lie. Russians have been invading and lying about the reasons since they were a vassal state for Mongols. Invading is in their blood. Let's also not forget that they invaded Afghanistan with the goal of propping up a Communist minority.

    Replies: @Sean, @Ennui

    How was Manifest Destiny accomplished? Were the Puritans “indigenous” to New England. How did words like khaki and pajama get into English?

    This pearl clutching over invasions is disingenuous of not straight out mendacious, it’s very whiny, and therefore Jewish, CIA and womanish of you, Johnson. It appeals to emotional b.s.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Ennui

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvJgRrpkaaU


    From concluding remarks using his 'boiling the frog' metaphor, which Colonel Reisner has used before for Washington's strategy for the Bear, it would seem to follow that Putin (inherently lacking in impetuousness according to people who know him that Professor Stuermer interviewed is being over cautious and he needs to make the Pentagon 'clutch their pearls' with something egregious. When Mearsheimer was on UnHerd he startled the interviewer by saying that were Putin to use a nuke on Ukraine Washington would lose interest in defeating Russia to teach a moral lesson and close the war down.

    On the other hand there is some video of a bunched up Ukrainian columns with Leopard 2 (so a top notch unit) getting picked off, hit while caught stationary in the open ECT ECT. Then again the tanks may just be a front to distract the Russians from how much key equipment and personnel they are losing to HIMARS strikes ECT.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ennui


    How was Manifest Destiny accomplished? Were the Puritans “indigenous” to New England.
     
    https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/3457403_700bwp_v1.webp
  676. @Yahya
    @sudden death

    Thanks. That was indeed a remarkable piece of filmmaking.

    The camerawork, music and delivery are perfect.

    I jumped out of my seat.

    I have not watched any of David Lynch's movies for some reason.

    I'll push his movies up the queue.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    I have not watched any of David Lynch’s movies for some reason.

    I’ll push his movies up the queue.

    Good luck.

    The only thing of his I have actually enjoyed is the first season of Twin Peaks.

    Blue Velvet, sorta kinda. There’s a lot there to hate, viscerally hate, but somehow I made it through.

    Given up less than a third of the way through Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive. Just too weird, couldn’t be bothered.

    Also, if you enjoy Hitchcock, I think you’ll probably also like Brian De Palma’s films, if you’re not familiar with them. (I’ve watched most of them and liked everything I’ve watched.)

    • Replies: @songbird
    @silviosilver

    IMO, Twin Peaks did have a few moments of genius, (am a particular fan of the 'Log Lady', which I consider a pronatalist message), but overall I would definitely call it a mess.

    Recently, I've been watching the old TV miniseries 'The Shogun.' It's not high-brow and I am not very far into it, but I'm enjoying it so far. It almost seems antiwoke in its depiction of Japan as a very alien society. Read one of the books a long time ago. Seems a curious contrast to Roots (which I have never seen, but the success of which helped spawn the Shogun adaptation). And it seems interesting to try to put it into an historical context. (Linked more to WW2 or the economic rise of Japan, like in Rising Sun?)

    Wonder if A123's prediction of Disney selling Licasfilm will come true or not.

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver

  677. @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    Also, not hard to imagine Ukrainian war vets fifty years from now lamenting as David Irving says of British WWII vets that if they could’ve time-travelled to the end of the century to see what had become of their country
     
    My English grandfather was in the British army 1940-1946. He died in the early 1990s, so before the post-1997 deluge, but he absolutely hated the Pakis who were spreading even back then in his hometown. So yes, it's not just something David Irving or similar people are making up.
    More generally, while I don't think "Hitler was right" is a position one should adopt, it's becoming harder and harder to see how Nazi Europe could have been worse in the long run for Western Europeans at least than what this liberal system we're living in is leading to. By the end of this century Britain and France won't exist in any recognizable way anymore, which goes well beyond what the Nazis were likely to do regarding them. Could there be a more damning indictment of "liberal democracy" than this?
    Of course the perspective of Poles, Russians etc. is bound to be different, for very legitimate reasons. But on the other hand, we're now being treated to the spectacle of militant Westerners (all good liberals, presumably all pro-faggotry and good "antiracists") calling Russians collectively "orcs" and salivating at fantasies of breaking up Russia into dozens of statelets. So maybe even in that regard "liberal democracy" and its defenders aren't quite what they're made out to be.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sean, @Coconuts, @Another Polish Perspective

    My English grandfather was in the British army 1940-1946. He died in the early 1990s, so before the post-1997 deluge, but he absolutely hated the Pakis who were spreading even back then in his hometown.

    This must have been really common, just thinking about what I know of my own grandfathers views. It can make official Remembrance Day events awkward, because you think about what the dead of WW1 and WW2 would have made of the present. The past couple of years I’ve heard even boomer ex-servicemen saying surprising things after these events, stuff that would have been more shocking in the past, not as surprising given the latest turn things have taken in culture.

  678. @Ennui
    @John Johnson

    How was Manifest Destiny accomplished? Were the Puritans "indigenous" to New England. How did words like khaki and pajama get into English?

    This pearl clutching over invasions is disingenuous of not straight out mendacious, it's very whiny, and therefore Jewish, CIA and womanish of you, Johnson. It appeals to emotional b.s.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. Hack

    From concluding remarks using his ‘boiling the frog’ metaphor, which Colonel Reisner has used before for Washington’s strategy for the Bear, it would seem to follow that Putin (inherently lacking in impetuousness according to people who know him that Professor Stuermer interviewed is being over cautious and he needs to make the Pentagon ‘clutch their pearls’ with something egregious. When Mearsheimer was on UnHerd he startled the interviewer by saying that were Putin to use a nuke on Ukraine Washington would lose interest in defeating Russia to teach a moral lesson and close the war down.

    On the other hand there is some video of a bunched up Ukrainian columns with Leopard 2 (so a top notch unit) getting picked off, hit while caught stationary in the open ECT ECT. Then again the tanks may just be a front to distract the Russians from how much key equipment and personnel they are losing to HIMARS strikes ECT.

  679. AP says:
    @Coconuts
    @German_reader


    This is very evident with Italy, where even today you find arguments that Italian fascism was something categorically different from Nazism and was only allied with it almost by accident (though there also seems to be a recent historiographical trend which instead emphasizes the commonalities of the two regimes, how they learned from and interacted with each other, one of a kind, though obviously Germany was the much more extreme case).
     
    There are cases like Carl Schmitt's that may point at the differences, in 1933 he was 'Hitler's jurist' then it seems like after 1936 he had to keep a low profile after the SS decided he was a crypto-Catholic and a Hegelian who was not serious about anti-Semitism. Crypto-Catholic, Hegelian and low interest in anti-Semitism would accurately describe Giovanni Gentile, Italian Fascism's main philosopher and ideologist.

    Sternhell, the Franco-Israeli historian points out the number of Jews involved in Italian Fascism in the early period (Mussolini had a Jewish intellectual as a mistress who helped him with ideology), and the influence of more crypto-Catholic revolutionary syndicalists, Marxist-nationalists and so on. I guess from the Nazi point of view this would have been too left-wing and Jewish.

    In one way these are certainly Byzantine arguments among far-right factions who did share a lot of other things in common, but these sort of things may be where some of the arguments about Nazi-Fascism differences are coming from. I haven't got around to reading anything about the 'racial' turn in Fascism in the later 30s yet though to see what sorts of changes it involved.

    Replies: @AP, @German_reader

    Sternhell, the Franco-Israeli historian points out the number of Jews involved in Italian Fascism in the early period (Mussolini had a Jewish intellectual as a mistress who helped him with ideology)

    Heh. The main theorist of the Ukrainian OUN also had a Jewish wife:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Stsiborskyi

  680. @silviosilver
    @Mr. Hack

    Calm down. I was talking about an emotional reaction, not a physical withdrawal. But I'll let you off the hook for the misreading since I should've used "recoil" rather than "withdraw." All I mean is you know the basic racial facts of life, even if you find it uncomfortable to admit it to yourself (let alone anyone else). Take a simple American urban survival skill like knowing the safe way home vs the quick way home. Say you tell someone a story involving that concept, and they understand you, and then add: "Yeah, I'm sick of this shit man. We've gotta just exterminate these fucking niggers." Any sane person would recoil at that statement, and think something like "Get the fuck away from me asshole, I'm nothing like you" (or whatever). I was referring to this kind of reaction, not to where you live or travel. And I'm not even really criticizing you for it. It's perfectly normal to resist being equated to people you find distasteful. Unfortunately, your kind of attitude, perfectly understandable though it is, simply reinforces the path to ruin.

    And spare me your happy stories of everyone getting along fine. No shit sherlock, people at work do the best they can to get along with everyone else because their prosperity is at stake. The workplace is hardly the whole of life though. Then again, you give me the impression of having been a lifelong Ukraine-on-the-brainer, so perhaps you don't find anything "off" or "disappointing" about a society composed of people that generally the best you can say about them is they're "tolerable," nothing amiss about the fact you don't share anything more meaningful in common with them than that; if your people have never been anything but fellow Ukrainians, then I guess it doesn't make much difference who "the others" are - other whites, mexers, groids, asians, all the same to you. For my part, I have a rather different conception of what a good society consists of, in which it is certainly not enough that its members are merely "tolerable."

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mr. Hack

    It’s perfectly normal to resist being equated to people you find distasteful. Unfortunately, your kind of attitude, perfectly understandable though it is, simply reinforces the path to ruin.

    So, I’m to change my normal disposition to that of some boorish, racist psychopath in order to avoid creating the path of ruin? Wow, you sound more conflicted than I ever imagined. 🙁

    For my part, I have a rather different conception of what a good society consists of, in which it is certainly not enough that its members are merely “tolerable.”

    Sure, I’m all ears, do tell more about your vision of a just and good society:

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    Are you also Jewish?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  681. QCIC says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @QCIC

    Were the missile sites that Obama cancelled in 2009-2010 rebuilt after 2014? Was anything rebuilt before 2014?

    Replies: @QCIC

    I had forgotten about this Obama-era change. I think the concept of the sites canceled by that administration evolved into what exists now. Apparently the planned radar in Czechia morphed into the radar+missiles site in Romania while Poland eventually got a radar+missile site instead of just missiles. I wonder if the Czechs saw the bigger picture and backed out?

    I don’t think the technical capability of these sites is very important, but the mere fact the West is emplacing these missiles relatively close to Russia is important. The intent is clear, just as with dropping out of the ABM treaty.

    The West already had Patriot missiles and Aegis missile destroyers in and around Europe with somewhat similar capability to the fixed sites. The difference is those assets were part of the earlier status quo and not part of the explicit increase of pressure on Russia post-ABM treaty.

  682. @Mikhail
    Macgregor on Serb Radio Chicago discussing Kosovo and Russia-Ukraine:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OSuhY12PpE

    Replies: @QCIC

    This interview has some interesting history of military aspects of the war in the Balkans as well as current politics in the USA.

  683. @Greasy William
    @S

    Julie Christie: 5/10. Would not bang.

    Replies: @QCIC, @S, @Matra

    Hmmm. She is fairly androgynous.

  684. @Ennui
    @John Johnson

    How was Manifest Destiny accomplished? Were the Puritans "indigenous" to New England. How did words like khaki and pajama get into English?

    This pearl clutching over invasions is disingenuous of not straight out mendacious, it's very whiny, and therefore Jewish, CIA and womanish of you, Johnson. It appeals to emotional b.s.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. Hack

    How was Manifest Destiny accomplished? Were the Puritans “indigenous” to New England.

  685. @Coconuts
    @Yahya


    Points to Christian morality/universalism playing a key role.
     
    At the moment I am sceptical about explanations relying too heavily on Christianity in itself.

    A few reasons for this:

    Looking back to early liberalism, around the time of Locke and Tolland, they were interested in rationalistic and deistic versions of Christianity that eliminated as much revealed and supernatural content as feasible. One of the concerns was the scale of intractable sectarian violence that had followed the Reformation and reducing the possibility of that in the future.

    Iirc many of the Enlightenment figures had this sort of concern. It was a big criticism of Christianity that was regularly heard until a year or two ago, that it was too divisive and likely to promote conflict.

    Liberalism also drew on the Scientific Revolution (universalist in a more direct sense than Christianity) and economic theories that advocated taking advantage of what had traditionally been regarded as vices to increase peace and prosperity via commerce.

    There is another critique of this, in one older history of political theory I was reading the author dates universalist ideas about human brotherhood back to the Hellenistic era and Stoic philosophy, describes them being repeated by pagan Romans, informing the development of Roman Law and so on. More or less the same ideas end being repeated through the Dark Ages and Medieval era, at a time when the ethnogenesis of a number of current European nations was taking place.

    So I think that stronger arguments are needed for the idea. Some account should be taken of the way Church leaders have been really preoccupied since the 50s with trying to make Christianity more inclusive and less sectarian. This is because of criticism of its role before 1945, based on criticism that had been going on since the Enlightenment.

    Replies: @songbird

    Been making a minor study of the Church in Ireland from about 1640-1700, to try to make sense of some genealogical lead. Don’t know if anything scientific can be said, due to the lack of records and my superficial reading of the ones I have access to. But what I’ve found seems surprising to me.

    Many bishops seem to have been closely related to aristocrats, as well as to each other, both across time and space. Noble blood was judged to be an asset in appointments, both for the political connections and for the possibility of a family subsidy. Many bishops lived with their close (aristocratic) relatives, sometimes splitting time between relatives. One Irish college in France only took candidates from a certain province.

    I’ve seen a remarkable concentration of names among priests and church officers, which suggests that at least a shadow of clans survived directly inside the Church into early penal times.

    All in all, if it can be taken as reflecting the traditional state of the church, then it seems extremely alien to modern conceptions of it.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @songbird

    The first son to the land,
    The second to the army,
    The third to the church.
    If there were any more it was The East India Company or The Colonies in some way.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Coconuts
    @songbird

    I used to have a book about the French bishops under Louis XIV, so around 1660-1715, I sold it a while ago but going from memory it was similar in some respects. I found a summary of the book online:


    ‘Origins’, Bergin stresses, is an imprecise concept, but he nevertheless shows that over half the bishops were born north of the Loire, with a heavy concentration on Paris, and that most were of noble birth. He identifies several trends after 1661. There developed a growing ‘dynasticism’ within the prelacy. Once established in the hierarchy, families acquired other benefices, so that eventually some two-thirds of post-1661 bishops were related to each other or to their pre-1661 predecessors. The key to the crucial first step of securing a see increasingly depended on a family's service to the crown. Bergin examines the fathers of bishops and discovers that the majority were military men or senior officiers, the crown deploying the ecclesiastical promotion of sons as a reward for service in the secular sphere by fathers (with ‘military’ families being especially favoured from the 1690s when warfare was conducted on a huge scale).
     
    The difference here is that it seems more centralised in terms of space, but this would fit with the growing centralisation of higher level appointments during Louis XIVs' reign. The reward for military service aspect is interesting.

    It was a different Catholic church to the one that exists today.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @German_reader
    @songbird


    Many bishops seem to have been closely related to aristocrats, as well as to each other, both across time and space.
     
    I don't think that's surprising. In medieval and early modern Germany there were sometimes almost dynasties of bishops in certain sees, e. g. a nephew succeeding his uncle. This wasn't always necessarily to the detriment of the church btw, a bishop had to take care not only of pastoral care after all, but also had to be able to defend the temporal property of his church, so being connected to leading aristocratic families and their networks could be useful.

    I’ve seen a remarkable concentration of names among priests and church officers, which suggests that at least a shadow of clans survived directly inside the Church into early penal times.
     
    Sounds very interesting, could be rewarding material for a prosopographical study, to see how family relationships worked in that context.

    Replies: @songbird

  686. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry


    Moscow culture was already snobby in Soviet times and I think it becomes worse every year.
     
    You are right, but it is often the case with the capital cities, Paris being another example, and my German friends also mentioned loathing Berlin, don't know about London, although there are hardly locals left there. Proof in support of my opinion, might be that prior to the Revolution, it was St Petersburg which was described as being insufferably snobby, while Moscow was seen as pleasantly patriarchal and somewhat archaic.

    Now, there are hardly that many fifth generation Muscovites nowadays, the post-Revolution population experienced a very extreme change: дети Арбата, coming from Odessa or shtetl-born families with high connections in the (Trotskyite circles of) the CPSU, then Ukrainian career-oriented social climbers (my grandfather, God-bless his soul, was a fine example), then limitchky brought in from the Russian glubinka after the war to build and work industrial jobs, and finally the post-Soviet tsunami of anyone who could move to Moscow and stick in by the tip of their teeth and nails, doubling it's population in a single generation and being disproportionately Central Asian.

    The rare Old Muscovite people I have personally met, I did in my school (a couple of boys ans girls in a class of twenty some pupils) and in my church, Fr Aleksander Saltykov being among them (yes he was from the old nobility Saltykov family going back to the Rurikid Muscovy times).

    Anyway, despite the saying that "Москва не резиновая", it has this expansive character to it that doesn't seem to stop inflating.

    I have personally always preferred Piter despite its awful climate. As soon as I disembarked the train (I usually traveled overnight by the Red Arrow) at the Moskovskyi Vokzal, I always felt a profoundly pleasant feeling. I felt exactly the opposite when reaching my destination on the return trip at the Leningradskyi Vokzal.

    I wish I was in Piter, the white nights are soon, it's such a wonderful moment there...

    https://youtu.be/OrwuEMisg6w



    Пора в Питер. Дима, поехали в Питер пить ! Заодно и про пришельцев побазарим

    https://youtu.be/1ugivNRYfjc

    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP

    Now, there are hardly that many fifth generation Muscovites nowadays, the post-Revolution population experienced a very extreme change: дети Арбата, coming from Odessa or shtetl-born families with high connections in the (Trotskyite circles of) the CPSU, then Ukrainian career-oriented social climbers (my grandfather, God-bless his soul, was a fine example), then limitchky brought in from the Russian glubinka after the war to build and work industrial jobs, and finally the post-Soviet tsunami of anyone who could move to Moscow and stick in by the tip of their teeth and nails, doubling it’s population in a single generation and being disproportionately Central Asian.

    Yes. Ironically the only “old” Muscovite I know is my aunt, whose Galician Russophile ancestors arrived before the Revolution. Our families did not keep in touch but by very strange coincidence she happened to be a friend and coworker of one of my wife’s friends, we discovered that we have copies of the same 19th century family photos. Such a small world.

    [MORE]

    My wife came to Moscow from the Urals as a teen student in the 80s when her dad was hired by the Central Committee. Our friends there are her former classmates from MGU, or people from her home city who eventually came to Moscow, and their spouses. Not a single one whose background I know is a native (some were born in Moscow, but to parents who were from elsewhere; none had grandparents from Moscow). But all of them are very proud of their city and consider it to be more of an authentic Russian city than Piter.

  687. @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Better Baroque pianos in an Ibero-Germanic Europe
    vs
    The current Anglo-American regime.

    Although, the quality of fiddles has strangely improved..

    Replies: @songbird

    Some might say that, if Spain had conquered England, that might have prevented the Dutch from doing so later.

  688. @silviosilver
    @Yahya


    I have not watched any of David Lynch’s movies for some reason.

    I’ll push his movies up the queue.
     
    Good luck.

    The only thing of his I have actually enjoyed is the first season of Twin Peaks.

    Blue Velvet, sorta kinda. There's a lot there to hate, viscerally hate, but somehow I made it through.

    Given up less than a third of the way through Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive. Just too weird, couldn't be bothered.

    Also, if you enjoy Hitchcock, I think you'll probably also like Brian De Palma's films, if you're not familiar with them. (I've watched most of them and liked everything I've watched.)

    Replies: @songbird

    IMO, Twin Peaks did have a few moments of genius, (am a particular fan of the ‘Log Lady’, which I consider a pronatalist message), but overall I would definitely call it a mess.

    Recently, I’ve been watching the old TV miniseries ‘The Shogun.’ It’s not high-brow and I am not very far into it, but I’m enjoying it so far. It almost seems antiwoke in its depiction of Japan as a very alien society. Read one of the books a long time ago. Seems a curious contrast to Roots (which I have never seen, but the success of which helped spawn the Shogun adaptation). And it seems interesting to try to put it into an historical context. (Linked more to WW2 or the economic rise of Japan, like in Rising Sun?)

    Wonder if A123’s prediction of Disney selling Licasfilm will come true or not.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    Wonder if A123’s prediction of Disney selling Lucasfilm will come true or not.
     
    More leaks on the potential Lucasfilm sale. Most likely buyer = George Lucas.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0p3TYk_yd5Y

    Disney needs a huge amount of money to buy out Hulu. And, they are not selling ESPN. Star Wars is their most easily sold IP.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    , @silviosilver
    @songbird


    Recently, I’ve been watching the old TV miniseries ‘The Shogun.’ It’s not high-brow and I am not very far into it, but I’m enjoying it so far.
     
    It's a personal favorite, watched it quite a few times. Also read the novel a few times.

    The novel is more complex - especially the alliances and Toranaga's political manoeuvring, which the film greatly simplifies - and also more brutal. Eg you're probably already past the scene near the start when Blackthorn is on the beach and everybody is bowing to Omi, except for one stubborn Jap fisherman and Omi slices his head off. In the novel, Omi chops the body into pieces. Small details like that are more brutal in the novel, and really accentuate Blackthorn's mixed feelings of admiration and revulsion at Jap society.

    The only part of the novel that let me down was the treatment of language differences. In the novel, Blackthorn speaks flawless Portuguese and Spanish, which he supposedly he picked up as a sailor, and converses in Latin with Mariko. He's thus able to pass himself of as Spanish to a Spanish Dominican friar who feeds him valuable information about the activities of the Jesuits and the Portuguese. In contrast, Father Alvito claims he still gets Japanese wrong despite having been instructed in it since he was a child. Not exactly realistic. (The film solves all this by having all the Europeans speak English, which is nice for the viewer, but detracts from the film's realism - eg the way it leaves most of the Japanese speech untranslated, so that the viewer is as much in the dark as Blackthorn.)

    Replies: @songbird

  689. @Mr. Hack
    @silviosilver


    It’s perfectly normal to resist being equated to people you find distasteful. Unfortunately, your kind of attitude, perfectly understandable though it is, simply reinforces the path to ruin.
     
    So, I'm to change my normal disposition to that of some boorish, racist psychopath in order to avoid creating the path of ruin? Wow, you sound more conflicted than I ever imagined. :-(

    For my part, I have a rather different conception of what a good society consists of, in which it is certainly not enough that its members are merely “tolerable.”
     
    Sure, I'm all ears, do tell more about your vision of a just and good society:

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/aa2e3028f1e2adc6e6e185f3b43a2c7a/tumblr_nnjqpl3wr61rr5t33o1_640.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Are you also Jewish?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    Yep. I'm the one that lives underneath your mattress. Sometimes I infiltrate your mind by whispering anti-semitic tropes into your brain. You force me to move from underneath your mattress to your closet. :-(

  690. @Mikel
    @Matra


    One of the them is his insistence throughout the book that Hitler only became anti-Slav in the late 1930s
     
    Well, I have read Mein Kampf a couple of times, one of them an original edition in German from the 30s, and it was all there in the 20s already: Hitler's anti-Slav and anti-Jewish sentiments and his vision of a German expansion to the East. I'm not sure how anyone can doubt a direct line between what Hitler wrote in 1924 and he did in 1939.

    Years ago I devoted some time to reading about Nazi Germany from original sources and the general impression I got is that the Nazis set quite destructive forces in motion that, left to their own devices, would have caused an even bigger catastrophe in Europe than the one that actually happened. I remember Nazi officials discussing among them how some Germans had some undesirable "westisch" racial influences or how the people who were being deported to Germany from Slavic countries were of a better stock than the Germans themselves in the towns where they were being settled. Once you start a racial purity program in the context of mass murders, sterilization programs and population displacements it's difficult to imagine who would have been spared in the end.

    On the other hand, there were plenty of pragmatic elements in the Nazi enterprise as well, as shown by their alliances with some Slavic and even non-European countries, such as the Japanese, so perhaps it would all have winded down after the war and a more moderate form of Nazism would have ensued.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    He didn’t write anything negative about the Japanese in Mein Kampf. There was a disparaging passage about the Chinese but was later edited out due to Sino-German Cooperation.

    The problem with these counterfactuals is that Hitler’s East Asian policies was quite erratic. He did try to mediate between China and Japan, that it fell through wasn’t his fault. But signing Molotov-Ribbentrop basically invalidated the German-Japan alliance.

    The Japanese tend view him negatively due to this perfidy. That and being associated with genocidal wars and gas chambers– Imperial Japan was brutal but never to that extent.

    The Chinese tend to view him as positive or neutral, since his acts were no worse than some of the great men in Chinese history, and since Jews are seen as rulers of GAE.

    [MORE]

    Nun weiß der Jude zu genau, daß er sin seiner tausend-jährigen Anpassung wohl europäische Völker zu unterhöhlen und zu geschlechtslosen Bastarden zu erziehen vermag, allein einem asiatischen Nationalstaat von der Art Japans dieses Schicksal kaum zuzufügen in der Lage wäre. Er vermag heute den Deutschen und den Engländer, Amerikaner und Franzosen zu mimen, zum gelben Asiaten fehlen ihm die Brücken. So sucht er den japanischen Nationalstaat noch mit der Kraft ähnlicher Gebilde von heute zu brechen, um sich des gefährlichen Widersachers zu entledigen, ehe in seiner Faust die letzte staatliche Macht zu einer Despotie über wehrlose Wesen verwandelt wird.

    Es ist aber ein kaum faßlicher Denk-fehler, zu glauben, daß, sagen wir, aus einem Neger oder einem Chinesen ein Germane wird, weil er Deutsch lernt und bereit ist, künftighin die deutsche Sprache zu sprechen und etwa einer deutschen politischen Partei seine Stimme zu geben.

    • Thanks: Mikel
  691. @LatW
    @A123


    Socialism is always a bad idea. And, you cannot have national socialism without socialism.
     
    National socialism wasn't about welfare, they tried to bolster the family instead. They would still be manufacturing a lot, assuming they could get a hold of all the raw material they needed.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    “Get a hold of”. Grab would be better Anglo Saxon. You sound almost black or folksy American with that phrase.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    “Get a hold of”. Grab would be better Anglo Saxon. You sound almost black or folksy American with that phrase.
     
    Sorry, will have to work on my King's English going forward. :)

    No, they wouldn't be grabbing anything under that scenario (except Scandinavia maybe) - those would be mostly closely knit Germanic countries and they would have limited access to the East. They would also have to work themselves as no Eastern labor would be available (however, under that scenario there would be no war effort so they'd be able to focus on prosperity and Germans work very well, for example, in contrast to the common stereotype, there were Baltic Germans who worked their own land).

    Arbeit - Freiheit.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  692. @Philip Owen
    @Mikhail

    No. Extremely unlikely. They would have needed 20 tonnes of explosive like Stalin in 1941.

    My first choice is Russian incompetence. The sluice gate had been in trouble for months. In January the Russians drained the reservoir, perhaps to try and fix it. (or perhaps to set charges - maybe both). They then overfilled the dam with a faulty sluice gate in place. The gate failed and the shock wave caused other parts to fail. Both sides had shelled the structure which gave way at two points.

    It could be that the Russians did try to blow up the dam expecting limited results but the extra water provided a more violent flood than expected. I don't think so but they have track record.

    Moscow 1812
    Stalingrad
    Zaporishshia dam 1941 (Exact parallel)
    North by North West
    Grosny
    Beslan
    Mariupol

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

    It looks as though I was too kind on the Russians. I thought they were incompetent and didn’t meant it. They were clearly malevolent.

    There is no longer ambiguity about the destruction of the Khakhovka dam. NORSAR the Norwegion nuclear test monitoring station recorded a large explosion at 02:54 on the day. Only Russia could have assembled the explosives for a large explosion. It was equivalent to a magnitude 2 earthquake. Link below.

    Sir Derman Christopherson the inventor (Barnes Wallis had the concept, Christopherson made it work) of the bouncing bomb used by the British for destroying dams was my hydraulics lecturer. He talked about the problems of bombing a dam. Mostly he mentioned the huge amount of testing it needed. Bombing a dam takes many tonnes of explosive delivered with great precision to the water side of the time. The explosion then works with the water pressure and is amplified by reaction against the water. Thus the Dambuster bomb which rolled down the inside of the dam to the right depth was only 3.5 tons. It needed very precise placing.

    Alternatively it takes 10s of tonnes still in the right place on the outside of the dam. Now the explosion works against the water pressure and reacts only against air. Impact is moderated. The current situation is a repeat of Stalin’s destruction of the Zaporizhzhia dam in 1941. Stalin needed 20 tonnes. The Serbs tried to flood a Croat city in 1991. They used 30 tonnes and only cracked the dam.

    Up to 100,000 people may have died then. No one knows because the area was packed with refugees. Only 1500 Germans were killed. Their advance was delayed a few weeks.

    https://www.jordskjelv.no/meldinger/seismic-signals-recorded-from-an-explosion-at-the-kakhovka-dam-in-ukraine

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Philip Owen

    Or it could be just an earthquake...? Recently there were some substantial earthquakes (4+) in Zakarpatia and Poltava region...Man, one was just yesterday...!

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    , @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    It is impressive how eager people are to reach definitive conclusions and then jump straight to condemnation with limited and unreliable information.

    I think it is possible that Russia could have blown the dam and would not condemn this without understanding the greater picture. If you think the dam is bad, wait until we see high altitude bombing of Kiev or a nuclear explosion in Lvov.

    The West is intentionally flirting with WW3 by actively pressuring Russia and baiting her into some action which can be cynically used by the West to justify a greater response. The facts on this are clear since they are not technical minutia like earthquakes or how many tons of explosives it takes to damage a dam.

    Anyone trusting a Norwegian nuclear agency to give credible information on a politically-charged NATO issue may have slept through the world's greatest disinformation campaign, often known as "COVID". Whatever you conclude about the facts, there was a LOT of disinformation with COVID. Few government agencies have given a believable mea culpa and vowed to henceforth "Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  693. @Philip Owen
    @Philip Owen

    It looks as though I was too kind on the Russians. I thought they were incompetent and didn't meant it. They were clearly malevolent.

    There is no longer ambiguity about the destruction of the Khakhovka dam. NORSAR the Norwegion nuclear test monitoring station recorded a large explosion at 02:54 on the day. Only Russia could have assembled the explosives for a large explosion. It was equivalent to a magnitude 2 earthquake. Link below.

    Sir Derman Christopherson the inventor (Barnes Wallis had the concept, Christopherson made it work) of the bouncing bomb used by the British for destroying dams was my hydraulics lecturer. He talked about the problems of bombing a dam. Mostly he mentioned the huge amount of testing it needed. Bombing a dam takes many tonnes of explosive delivered with great precision to the water side of the time. The explosion then works with the water pressure and is amplified by reaction against the water. Thus the Dambuster bomb which rolled down the inside of the dam to the right depth was only 3.5 tons. It needed very precise placing.

    Alternatively it takes 10s of tonnes still in the right place on the outside of the dam. Now the explosion works against the water pressure and reacts only against air. Impact is moderated. The current situation is a repeat of Stalin's destruction of the Zaporizhzhia dam in 1941. Stalin needed 20 tonnes. The Serbs tried to flood a Croat city in 1991. They used 30 tonnes and only cracked the dam.

    Up to 100,000 people may have died then. No one knows because the area was packed with refugees. Only 1500 Germans were killed. Their advance was delayed a few weeks.

    https://www.jordskjelv.no/meldinger/seismic-signals-recorded-from-an-explosion-at-the-kakhovka-dam-in-ukraine

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @QCIC

    Or it could be just an earthquake…? Recently there were some substantial earthquakes (4+) in Zakarpatia and Poltava region…Man, one was just yesterday…!

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    It is pretty strange that in Norway they picked up the seismic wave from such a shallow and weak earthquake as the one generated by dam explosion would have been (if there would be one at all). Generally, they don't pick up mining operations far away.

    It is important to understand that natural seismic activity is on the rise in Ukraine recently too.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Philip Owen

  694. @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Been making a minor study of the Church in Ireland from about 1640-1700, to try to make sense of some genealogical lead. Don't know if anything scientific can be said, due to the lack of records and my superficial reading of the ones I have access to. But what I've found seems surprising to me.

    Many bishops seem to have been closely related to aristocrats, as well as to each other, both across time and space. Noble blood was judged to be an asset in appointments, both for the political connections and for the possibility of a family subsidy. Many bishops lived with their close (aristocratic) relatives, sometimes splitting time between relatives. One Irish college in France only took candidates from a certain province.

    I've seen a remarkable concentration of names among priests and church officers, which suggests that at least a shadow of clans survived directly inside the Church into early penal times.

    All in all, if it can be taken as reflecting the traditional state of the church, then it seems extremely alien to modern conceptions of it.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Coconuts, @German_reader

    The first son to the land,
    The second to the army,
    The third to the church.
    If there were any more it was The East India Company or The Colonies in some way.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Philip Owen

    That's a good point. I hadn't really thought much about birth order because I only know the names of two brothers and am trying to work backwards.

    Also naming patterns, but in my experience circumstances changed them a lot. I suspect if they were in use back then, they would have been less reliable among nobles, who likely would have been involved in a lot of the wars. (And been killed)

    In terms of the Church itself, I think that throughout most of its history it was built on a kind of rooted Malthusianism. It was the pride of the family to have a priest or bishop. Break the tie to the land and decrease the number of sons, and the output will likely be much different.

  695. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Philip Owen

    Or it could be just an earthquake...? Recently there were some substantial earthquakes (4+) in Zakarpatia and Poltava region...Man, one was just yesterday...!

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    It is pretty strange that in Norway they picked up the seismic wave from such a shallow and weak earthquake as the one generated by dam explosion would have been (if there would be one at all). Generally, they don’t pick up mining operations far away.

    It is important to understand that natural seismic activity is on the rise in Ukraine recently too.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Are you serious or is this humor I am too dim to appreciate?

    , @Philip Owen
    @Another Polish Perspective

    IT is an nuclear explosion monitoring centring. It is designed to look for surface or near surface explosions including relatively small tactical ones. They can filter earthquakes, which tend to have depth, from explosions.

  696. [MORE]

    https://twitter.com/Kharagket/status/1664807909392277505

    https://twitter.com/palminder1990/status/1665021366586712065

    ਅਕਾਲ

  697. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    It is pretty strange that in Norway they picked up the seismic wave from such a shallow and weak earthquake as the one generated by dam explosion would have been (if there would be one at all). Generally, they don't pick up mining operations far away.

    It is important to understand that natural seismic activity is on the rise in Ukraine recently too.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Philip Owen

    Are you serious or is this humor I am too dim to appreciate?

  698. QCIC says:
    @Philip Owen
    @Philip Owen

    It looks as though I was too kind on the Russians. I thought they were incompetent and didn't meant it. They were clearly malevolent.

    There is no longer ambiguity about the destruction of the Khakhovka dam. NORSAR the Norwegion nuclear test monitoring station recorded a large explosion at 02:54 on the day. Only Russia could have assembled the explosives for a large explosion. It was equivalent to a magnitude 2 earthquake. Link below.

    Sir Derman Christopherson the inventor (Barnes Wallis had the concept, Christopherson made it work) of the bouncing bomb used by the British for destroying dams was my hydraulics lecturer. He talked about the problems of bombing a dam. Mostly he mentioned the huge amount of testing it needed. Bombing a dam takes many tonnes of explosive delivered with great precision to the water side of the time. The explosion then works with the water pressure and is amplified by reaction against the water. Thus the Dambuster bomb which rolled down the inside of the dam to the right depth was only 3.5 tons. It needed very precise placing.

    Alternatively it takes 10s of tonnes still in the right place on the outside of the dam. Now the explosion works against the water pressure and reacts only against air. Impact is moderated. The current situation is a repeat of Stalin's destruction of the Zaporizhzhia dam in 1941. Stalin needed 20 tonnes. The Serbs tried to flood a Croat city in 1991. They used 30 tonnes and only cracked the dam.

    Up to 100,000 people may have died then. No one knows because the area was packed with refugees. Only 1500 Germans were killed. Their advance was delayed a few weeks.

    https://www.jordskjelv.no/meldinger/seismic-signals-recorded-from-an-explosion-at-the-kakhovka-dam-in-ukraine

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @QCIC

    It is impressive how eager people are to reach definitive conclusions and then jump straight to condemnation with limited and unreliable information.

    I think it is possible that Russia could have blown the dam and would not condemn this without understanding the greater picture. If you think the dam is bad, wait until we see high altitude bombing of Kiev or a nuclear explosion in Lvov.

    The West is intentionally flirting with WW3 by actively pressuring Russia and baiting her into some action which can be cynically used by the West to justify a greater response. The facts on this are clear since they are not technical minutia like earthquakes or how many tons of explosives it takes to damage a dam.

    Anyone trusting a Norwegian nuclear agency to give credible information on a politically-charged NATO issue may have slept through the world’s greatest disinformation campaign, often known as “COVID”. Whatever you conclude about the facts, there was a LOT of disinformation with COVID. Few government agencies have given a believable mea culpa and vowed to henceforth “Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.”

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @QCIC

    Uh reality connection. It is Russia flirting with nuclear war. If it succeeds it will do it again. Tolerance of fascism must have its limits.

    Replies: @QCIC

  699. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @S

    A decade or so ago, I happened to read somewhere on the internets about the food that was eaten by the average American South plantation slave vs his contemporary average Irish off-boater immigrant to the US from the potato famine ravaged Irland. The slave had better quality food and ate more of it than the Irish immigrant could afford. A slave was an investment. A costly investment with an ROI that took a few years to become positive. The immigrant cost nothing and paid for everything. The "liberation" of the slaves and the transition from slavery to mass immigration was an OpEx optimization driven by the financial elites.

    Replies: @S, @S

    The “liberation” of the slaves and the transition from slavery to mass immigration was an OpEx optimization driven by the financial elites.

    I have sometimes wondered if someone were to do a forensic accounting analysis of just who exactly was financing the ‘abolition’ movement, they would find London’s banks amongst the biggest donors.

    We know it was the Lawrence family of Massachusetts textile factory magnates, whom had financed the construction of Lawrence ‘Immigrant City’, Mass, and which also financed the construction of it’s infamous sister city, the abolition center of Lawrence, ‘Bleeding’ Kansas, presumably as they wanted wage slaves (so called ‘cheap labor’) picking the cotton which fed their textile mills rather than the cumbersome and expensive chattel slaves.

    Anyhow, I stand one hundred percent behind my assertion that chattel slavery and it’s trade was in reality monetized* (as opposed to having been abolished) with the early 19th century introduction of wage slavery.

    Just as it was with chattel slavery, there are all too many painfully naive sorts (in reality enablers) whom readily believe the slaver’s propaganda, ie the progressive ideology of Multi-Culturalism with it’s attached anti-race campaign known euphemistically as ‘antracism’, that wage slavery (so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’) is ‘uplifting’ to those preyed upon and is ‘beneficial’ to all concerned, rather than being the society destroyer it in reality is, and that those whom do the preying actually ‘care’ about anyone or anything other than first their money, and then themselves as individuals.

    The fact that slavery, in the form of wage slavery**, is the economic and political basis of progressive Multi-Culturalism, is devastating to it’s prog advocates and their Multi-Cult ideology. These pompous and arrogant people and their ideology need to be devastated.

    The strong slavery element is what should have been pounded on from day one by this inhuman system’s opponents.

    [MORE]

    * ie Distilled down to it’s financial essence whilst profits were maximized.

    ** Wage slavery, as the systematic theft of the value of the person’s labor is most efficiently and profitably taken directly from their pay, ie their wages, and hence the term wage slavery. The benchmark for the modern wage slaver to significantly beat, as it was with the more cumbersome and costly chattel slavery prior, is the prevailing real time local rates for the labor that the slaver would typically have to pay his own people.

    https://archive.org/details/wartimejournalof00andr/page/12/mode/1up?view=theater

    ‘A question of dollars and cents..’

    ‘Our Southern States, being still in the agricultural stage, on account of our practical monopoly of the world’s chief textile staple, were the last of the great civilized nations to find chattel slavery less profitable than wage slavery, and hence the “great moral crusade” of the North against the perverse and unregenerate South.’

    ‘It was a pure case of economic determinism, which means that our great moral conflict reduces itself, in the last analysis, to a question of dollars and cents, though the real issue was so obscured by other considerations that we of the South honestly believe to this day that we were fighting for States Rights, while the North is equally honest in the conviction that it was engaged in a magnanimous struggle to free the slave.’

  700. @Greasy William
    @S

    Julie Christie: 5/10. Would not bang.

    Replies: @QCIC, @S, @Matra

    Julie Christie: 5/10.

    You have a most peculiar way of saying the exact opposite of the truth on any given matter.

    Are you a site troll by chance? 🙂

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @S

    I am a man who fights for justice resolutely, regardless of the cost to myself. If that makes me a "troll" in the eyes of the law, so be it.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/large/mw65192/Julie-Christie.jpg

    She looks like she is waiting for Harvey Weinstein's next meeting.

    Replies: @S

  701. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    Are you also Jewish?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Yep. I’m the one that lives underneath your mattress. Sometimes I infiltrate your mind by whispering anti-semitic tropes into your brain. You force me to move from underneath your mattress to your closet. 🙁

  702. LatW says:
    @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    “Get a hold of”. Grab would be better Anglo Saxon. You sound almost black or folksy American with that phrase.

    Replies: @LatW

    “Get a hold of”. Grab would be better Anglo Saxon. You sound almost black or folksy American with that phrase.

    Sorry, will have to work on my King’s English going forward. 🙂

    No, they wouldn’t be grabbing anything under that scenario (except Scandinavia maybe) – those would be mostly closely knit Germanic countries and they would have limited access to the East. They would also have to work themselves as no Eastern labor would be available (however, under that scenario there would be no war effort so they’d be able to focus on prosperity and Germans work very well, for example, in contrast to the common stereotype, there were Baltic Germans who worked their own land).

    ArbeitFreiheit.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFntRUsjENk&ab_channel=BishopG

    Replies: @QCIC

  703. @S
    @Greasy William


    Julie Christie: 5/10.
     
    You have a most peculiar way of saying the exact opposite of the truth on any given matter.

    Are you a site troll by chance? :-)

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I am a man who fights for justice resolutely, regardless of the cost to myself. If that makes me a “troll” in the eyes of the law, so be it.

    • Troll: S
  704. @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    It is impressive how eager people are to reach definitive conclusions and then jump straight to condemnation with limited and unreliable information.

    I think it is possible that Russia could have blown the dam and would not condemn this without understanding the greater picture. If you think the dam is bad, wait until we see high altitude bombing of Kiev or a nuclear explosion in Lvov.

    The West is intentionally flirting with WW3 by actively pressuring Russia and baiting her into some action which can be cynically used by the West to justify a greater response. The facts on this are clear since they are not technical minutia like earthquakes or how many tons of explosives it takes to damage a dam.

    Anyone trusting a Norwegian nuclear agency to give credible information on a politically-charged NATO issue may have slept through the world's greatest disinformation campaign, often known as "COVID". Whatever you conclude about the facts, there was a LOT of disinformation with COVID. Few government agencies have given a believable mea culpa and vowed to henceforth "Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Uh reality connection. It is Russia flirting with nuclear war. If it succeeds it will do it again. Tolerance of fascism must have its limits.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    Response to Philip Owen #710

    I believe there are certain unwritten rules of Superpower military conduct which evolved during the late Cold War. These are directly related to the arms reduction treaties which were signed by the USA and the USSR and helped reduce the risk of World War 3. After the fall of the USSR, the West has unilaterally engaged in many acts against Russia which would have been recognized by all sides as extremely warlike and provocative just a decade before. This has now led to Russian RETALIATION in Ukraine and brought us to the brink of WW3.

    I think anyone wise enough to read The Unz Review can understand this perspective. Understanding doesn't mean acceptance or agreement. However, I recommend people shake off their brainwashing and integrate these unpleasant facts.

    A partial list of seriously WARLIKE acts by the West

    Dropping out of the ABM treaty
    USA Missile sites in Romania and Poland. HELLO, this is similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis!
    Dropping out of the INF treaty on false pretenses
    Dropping out of the Open Skies Treaty on false pretenses
    Billions of dollars of regime-change NGO work in Russia and FSU countries
    Bioweapons labs in Ukraine and other FSU countries
    "Color revolutions" fomented and coups attempted in various FSU countries
    Expanding the anti-Russia NATO MILITARY ALLIANCE directly to the Russian border
    Western sanctions which could easily be considered an act of war
    Support for and participation in extensive murders of pro-Russian civilians in a neighboring country (30 miles from the Russian border!)

    This is all a continuation of the Cold War. Unfortunately, instead of wise statesmen and steely-eyed missile men at the helm we now have petulant, ignorant and cowardly adult children calling the shots in the West. If enough dangerous warlike actions are completed, well we probably get a war. Of course Russia has been doing provocative things on their own, but the scale appears to be tiny compared to the West.

    Don't forget, due to Western provocations, Russia has developed the most lethal nuclear weapons capability in history. We did this.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  705. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    It is pretty strange that in Norway they picked up the seismic wave from such a shallow and weak earthquake as the one generated by dam explosion would have been (if there would be one at all). Generally, they don't pick up mining operations far away.

    It is important to understand that natural seismic activity is on the rise in Ukraine recently too.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Philip Owen

    IT is an nuclear explosion monitoring centring. It is designed to look for surface or near surface explosions including relatively small tactical ones. They can filter earthquakes, which tend to have depth, from explosions.

  706. How are NATO going to replace all the equipment smashed in the offensive?

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LondonBob

    The Russians seem to be holding quite well this first couple of days of the offensive. Even Prigozhin has congratulated the units who have repulsed the Ukrainian columns full of Western armor. Though these frontal attacks in columns have been quite catastrophic for both sides in this war, not sure what the Ukrainians were hoping to achieve. In any case, the first stages of the Kherson counteroffensive were also a bloodbath for the Ukrainians but they just kept pushing and eventually managed to overrun the Russian defenses at multiple points.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

  707. @S
    @Greasy William


    Julie Christie: 5/10.
     
    You have a most peculiar way of saying the exact opposite of the truth on any given matter.

    Are you a site troll by chance? :-)

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Emil Nikola Richard

    She looks like she is waiting for Harvey Weinstein’s next meeting.

    • Replies: @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don't know anything about Harvey Weinstein, but, as for her, she looks quite alright by me. :-D

  708. @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    “Get a hold of”. Grab would be better Anglo Saxon. You sound almost black or folksy American with that phrase.
     
    Sorry, will have to work on my King's English going forward. :)

    No, they wouldn't be grabbing anything under that scenario (except Scandinavia maybe) - those would be mostly closely knit Germanic countries and they would have limited access to the East. They would also have to work themselves as no Eastern labor would be available (however, under that scenario there would be no war effort so they'd be able to focus on prosperity and Germans work very well, for example, in contrast to the common stereotype, there were Baltic Germans who worked their own land).

    Arbeit - Freiheit.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    FYI, the real slang is "Git a holt of"

  709. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    The pot is still melting in America, and sure we have problems here. We can only hope to emulate the lifestyle in countries like Norway, that is mostly white, where crimes of passion don't seem to be racially motivated. But yet:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/08/25/world/NORWAY/NORWAY-jumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp
    Anders Behring Breivik in an Oslo courtroom on Friday. He won his effort to be declared sane, and avoid a mental hospital.

    So this guy was deemed to be sane? And I thought that this kind of stuff can only happen in the U.S.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Not sure what your point is in changing the topic to Breivik. Unless there’s some kind of WN revolution in Norway, he will in all likelihood never be released.
    I don’t think he’s mentally ill btw, just someone who was led by his Nordicist views to a pretty extreme, but logical conclusion. Personal frustration may have played a role, but someone who committed such a complex act of terror must have had intact reasoning faculties.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    No problems at all with how interethnic relations are playing out?
     
    You had posted this most recently on this topic, somehow trying to show how in my supposed exuberance in championing the American melting pot, I was blind in not noting racial problems that still exist in the US. My bringing up Breivik and his plight was to show that interracial problems are evident in otherwise healthy, white homogenized countries like even Norway too. Your inability to distinguish between healthy "nordicist views" and what prompted Breivik to murder some 70 young individuals as being a prima facie act of some sort of mental illness is of course your prerogative.

    Is this the kind of a "sane act" that we could expect you to perform in championing any political cause that you strongly support?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    It wasn't really a logical conclusion in an effective sense of the word since in his case what he did simply repulsed most people, including most people who would have otherwise been sympathetic towards his views. It's similar to what Yigal Amir did in Israel; killing Rabin was counterproductive in the sense that it almost cost the right its victory in the 1996 Israeli elections (huge sympathy boost for the left, which of course subsequently in large part subsided due to the left's incompetent response to Palestinian terrorism back then).

    It's similar to why pro-lifers bombing and/or murdering abortion doctors is counterproductive. It simply repulses people, including most pro-lifers themselves.

    Terrorism only makes sense (ignoring/excluding morality) if it actually has a realistic chance of achieving one's goals, as with the Algerian FLN during their war of independence.

    Replies: @German_reader

  710. @LondonBob
    How are NATO going to replace all the equipment smashed in the offensive?

    Replies: @Mikel

    The Russians seem to be holding quite well this first couple of days of the offensive. Even Prigozhin has congratulated the units who have repulsed the Ukrainian columns full of Western armor. Though these frontal attacks in columns have been quite catastrophic for both sides in this war, not sure what the Ukrainians were hoping to achieve. In any case, the first stages of the Kherson counteroffensive were also a bloodbath for the Ukrainians but they just kept pushing and eventually managed to overrun the Russian defenses at multiple points.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mikel

    This isn't Kherson. This is Gallipoli... except this time the Turks have drones, MRLS, attack helicopters and fighter/bombers

    , @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    Both of the militaries don't have very working air force (although this will probably change in 2024-25).

    Both sides have tanks, both sides also have anti-tank weapons to equalize the movement of tanks.

    It's like second year of the Iran-Iraq war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#1981:_Stalemate

    "Wagner" using "human wave" attacks of prisoners. But unlike in Iran-Iraq war, there won't be so many of those, as demographics of the countries are not exactly like 1980s Iran.

    There were already in this war also similar actions as the "War of the cities" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Cities

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Sean

  711. German_reader says:
    @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    Only rarely visit Sailer thread’s, but personally, I like the polite but fundemental disagreement of worldviews between Art Deco and Peter Akuleyev. This site isn’t the same without utu.
     
    There are quite a few intelligent and erudite individuals among the Sailer commentariat. I particularly look towards the comments of Dearieme, Pincher Martin, Bardon Kaldian, Pixo/Lot, AndrewR, and Kylie.

    Twinkie I am familiar from the Audacious Epigone times. He is very intelligent and writes plenty of high-quality comments, but is difficult to get along with due to extreme narcissism. I can't count how many times i've seen him get into (nasty) fights over minor disagreements, even with people he hitherto had been friendly with.

    I agree utu's pugnacious presence is a big loss for Unzistan. One of the more colorful characters on this site. OTOH, I'm pretty sure he would've viciously attacked me for espousing "IQist" views recently, if he had stayed on. So perhaps I'm not as regretful as you that he left. German_Reader and Mikel certainly aren't :)

    Iffen also departed the land of Unzistan, after many long years of laconic witticisms. I'd say he was my favorite commentor, even though he didn't put much effort into his posts, which mostly consisted of snark and irony. But a good guy.

    Replies: @German_reader

    German_Reader and Mikel certainly aren’t

    I actually am, at least somewhat, since for many years utu provided interesting content. Maybe I shouldn’t have been quite so mean towards him near the end of his commenting activity here. But I also feel he really went off the rails at the end, with the more unpleasant sides of his character becoming dominant. Still a pity he left. I hope he only did so, because he was fed up with UR, not because anything happened to him in real life.

  712. @Greasy William
    @S

    Julie Christie: 5/10. Would not bang.

    Replies: @QCIC, @S, @Matra

    Is it the manly chin?

  713. @AP
    @German_reader


    You also claim that all Poles are embarrassed by the PiS government, yet 50% (or at least close to that) of the country votes for them in elections.
    Maybe your acquaintances (presumably well-educated professionals in higher income brackets) are representative of only a subset of the population?
     
    Most of the Poles I know support PiS. They are around age 50 so not young, but highly educated and wealthy. But generally conservative and with kids.

    Replies: @Matra

    Most of the Poles I know support PiS. They are around age 50 so not young, but highly educated and wealthy. But generally conservative and with kids.

    You should encourage them to visit Rotterdam or Rotherham so they can get a glimpse of the future that awaits their grandchildren:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AP
    @Matra

    Not many Muslims there (I suspect many of the small number of people from the ex-Soviet states are ethnic Europeans) and very few from troublesome countries. We don't know how many stayed versus moved on. And the total number is swamped by Ukrainians.

    When I was in Poland in last spring (Krakow, Rzeszow, various other towns) I saw about 2 non-Europeans (not including touriosts or American soldiers). They were cute Filipina girls, working as waitresses in Krakow.

  714. @Philip Owen
    @songbird

    The first son to the land,
    The second to the army,
    The third to the church.
    If there were any more it was The East India Company or The Colonies in some way.

    Replies: @songbird

    That’s a good point. I hadn’t really thought much about birth order because I only know the names of two brothers and am trying to work backwards.

    Also naming patterns, but in my experience circumstances changed them a lot. I suspect if they were in use back then, they would have been less reliable among nobles, who likely would have been involved in a lot of the wars. (And been killed)

    In terms of the Church itself, I think that throughout most of its history it was built on a kind of rooted Malthusianism. It was the pride of the family to have a priest or bishop. Break the tie to the land and decrease the number of sons, and the output will likely be much different.

  715. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts
    @German_reader


    This is very evident with Italy, where even today you find arguments that Italian fascism was something categorically different from Nazism and was only allied with it almost by accident (though there also seems to be a recent historiographical trend which instead emphasizes the commonalities of the two regimes, how they learned from and interacted with each other, one of a kind, though obviously Germany was the much more extreme case).
     
    There are cases like Carl Schmitt's that may point at the differences, in 1933 he was 'Hitler's jurist' then it seems like after 1936 he had to keep a low profile after the SS decided he was a crypto-Catholic and a Hegelian who was not serious about anti-Semitism. Crypto-Catholic, Hegelian and low interest in anti-Semitism would accurately describe Giovanni Gentile, Italian Fascism's main philosopher and ideologist.

    Sternhell, the Franco-Israeli historian points out the number of Jews involved in Italian Fascism in the early period (Mussolini had a Jewish intellectual as a mistress who helped him with ideology), and the influence of more crypto-Catholic revolutionary syndicalists, Marxist-nationalists and so on. I guess from the Nazi point of view this would have been too left-wing and Jewish.

    In one way these are certainly Byzantine arguments among far-right factions who did share a lot of other things in common, but these sort of things may be where some of the arguments about Nazi-Fascism differences are coming from. I haven't got around to reading anything about the 'racial' turn in Fascism in the later 30s yet though to see what sorts of changes it involved.

    Replies: @AP, @German_reader

    Sternhell, the Franco-Israeli historian points out the number of Jews involved in Italian Fascism in the early period (Mussolini had a Jewish intellectual as a mistress who helped him with ideology)

    Sure, but eventually fascist Italy also enacted racial laws, including antisemitic ones, and the dominant view now seems to be that this wasn’t in any way forced on Italy by the German alliance, but more of an organic development, triggered by the Ethiopian war.
    One key difference probably was the lasting influence of old elites like monarchists in fascist Italy, due to the way Mussolini had come to power. They were a moderating factor. There’s an argument that the Salò regime after September 1943 was more indicative of what a “pure” fascism might have been like. But to some extent it was of course also a German puppet regime, so difficult to judge.
    In any case, it’s certainly true that fascist Italy never quite went to the extremes of mass murder Nazi Germany did (though it did employ pretty brutal methods in its colonies and wars abroad). But it also wasn’t just the operatic joke it’s often depicted as.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @German_reader


    Sure, but eventually fascist Italy also enacted racial laws, including antisemitic ones, and the dominant view now seems to be that this wasn’t in any way forced on Italy by the German alliance, but more of an organic development, triggered by the Ethiopian war.
     
    I got around to finishing the chapters on race in the A. James Gregor book I have been reading. This is an older one (about 1967/68 iirc), I probably need something more recent on the historical side as he doesn't explain a lot about the origin of anti-semitic legislation, though he does recognise that it wasn't pushed on Mussolini by the German alliance and there could have been some precedent for it in Fascist thought. The link to the Ethiopian war maybe had not been identified when he was writing.

    There are some interesting parts about the challenges the racial thing posed to the ideologists, when race was still identified by phenotype. He says they discovered the Italian population could be divided into too many phenotypic categories and examples of mixed European race so went for a general Aryan/European classification. This might indirectly point at the colonial explanation, as Italians could marry any European but not Jews or Africans.

    Replies: @German_reader

  716. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/large/mw65192/Julie-Christie.jpg

    She looks like she is waiting for Harvey Weinstein's next meeting.

    Replies: @S

    I don’t know anything about Harvey Weinstein, but, as for her, she looks quite alright by me. 😀

  717. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    Not sure what your point is in changing the topic to Breivik. Unless there's some kind of WN revolution in Norway, he will in all likelihood never be released.
    I don't think he's mentally ill btw, just someone who was led by his Nordicist views to a pretty extreme, but logical conclusion. Personal frustration may have played a role, but someone who committed such a complex act of terror must have had intact reasoning faculties.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    No problems at all with how interethnic relations are playing out?

    You had posted this most recently on this topic, somehow trying to show how in my supposed exuberance in championing the American melting pot, I was blind in not noting racial problems that still exist in the US. My bringing up Breivik and his plight was to show that interracial problems are evident in otherwise healthy, white homogenized countries like even Norway too. Your inability to distinguish between healthy “nordicist views” and what prompted Breivik to murder some 70 young individuals as being a prima facie act of some sort of mental illness is of course your prerogative.

    Is this the kind of a “sane act” that we could expect you to perform in championing any political cause that you strongly support?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    Norway isn't that homogenous these days, like with many other European countries on current trends the native population will become a minority at some point in the 2nd half of this century. That prospect is what motivated Breivik's crime.


    Your inability to distinguish between healthy “nordicist views” and what prompted Breivik to murder some 70 young individuals as being a prima facie act of some sort of mental illness is of course your prerogative.

    Is this the kind of a “sane act” that we could expect you to perform in championing any political cause that you strongly support?
     
    I don't understand your reasoning here. My point simply was that I don't think Breivik is mentally ill in the sense of having diminished responsibility because of having heard voices, being a paranoid schizophreniac or something else of the sort. Therefore he belongs in prison, not in a mental hospital.
    As for your question, no, I don't condone terrorist acts or political violence. I'm not sure however you have the moral authority to be overly moralistic over people who do, given your own past approval of terroristic tactics in service of the cause you identify with (iirc you were fine with Ukraine blowing up that lorry driver and other Russian civilians driving on the Crimea bridge).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    , @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    3/4 of the people Breivik shot were pakis, blacks, east asians and assorted darkies. The Youth Leadership Wing of Norwegian Labour Party bit the dust on the Island.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Matra

  718. @Mikel
    @LondonBob

    The Russians seem to be holding quite well this first couple of days of the offensive. Even Prigozhin has congratulated the units who have repulsed the Ukrainian columns full of Western armor. Though these frontal attacks in columns have been quite catastrophic for both sides in this war, not sure what the Ukrainians were hoping to achieve. In any case, the first stages of the Kherson counteroffensive were also a bloodbath for the Ukrainians but they just kept pushing and eventually managed to overrun the Russian defenses at multiple points.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    This isn’t Kherson. This is Gallipoli… except this time the Turks have drones, MRLS, attack helicopters and fighter/bombers

  719. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    No problems at all with how interethnic relations are playing out?
     
    You had posted this most recently on this topic, somehow trying to show how in my supposed exuberance in championing the American melting pot, I was blind in not noting racial problems that still exist in the US. My bringing up Breivik and his plight was to show that interracial problems are evident in otherwise healthy, white homogenized countries like even Norway too. Your inability to distinguish between healthy "nordicist views" and what prompted Breivik to murder some 70 young individuals as being a prima facie act of some sort of mental illness is of course your prerogative.

    Is this the kind of a "sane act" that we could expect you to perform in championing any political cause that you strongly support?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    Norway isn’t that homogenous these days, like with many other European countries on current trends the native population will become a minority at some point in the 2nd half of this century. That prospect is what motivated Breivik’s crime.

    Your inability to distinguish between healthy “nordicist views” and what prompted Breivik to murder some 70 young individuals as being a prima facie act of some sort of mental illness is of course your prerogative.

    Is this the kind of a “sane act” that we could expect you to perform in championing any political cause that you strongly support?

    I don’t understand your reasoning here. My point simply was that I don’t think Breivik is mentally ill in the sense of having diminished responsibility because of having heard voices, being a paranoid schizophreniac or something else of the sort. Therefore he belongs in prison, not in a mental hospital.
    As for your question, no, I don’t condone terrorist acts or political violence. I’m not sure however you have the moral authority to be overly moralistic over people who do, given your own past approval of terroristic tactics in service of the cause you identify with (iirc you were fine with Ukraine blowing up that lorry driver and other Russian civilians driving on the Crimea bridge).

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    One only has to know who Breivik shot dead to know he was targeting blacks and browns.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    I’m not sure however you have the moral authority to be overly moralistic over people who do, given your own past approval of terroristic tactics in service of the cause you identify with (iirc you were fine with Ukraine blowing up that lorry driver and other Russian civilians driving on the Crimea bridge).
     
    I'm able to differentiate between the acts of a country at war, defending itself from offensive incursions occurring within its borders and a young boy who was acting out on some questionable fantasies that included scenarios that never personally affected his own safety. You don't see a huge difference in these two scenarios?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  720. Not an unreasonable comparison to make, as it turns out. Ukraine’s high command just murderers those gallant crews.

    Outcome of operation and strategy unknown at this point but that was murder.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    "gallant crews"?

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/341/754/9c5.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader

  721. @AP
    @Greasy William


    what do you think about the dam? Right now I’m leaning towards Russia did it
     
    It’s a good opportunity to identify people who are gullible and/or idiots and/or hopelessly brainwashed people. Those who think Ukraine did it are exactly such people. These kinds of idiots would be insisting that Napoleon is the one who burned Moscow down.

    - There is no evidence of rocket or artillery strikes that night. Russia controlled the dam. So Ukrainian commandos mined the dam under the Russians’ noses?

    - Blowing up dams is typically what defenses do to slow down or prevent an attack. Dutch and Soviets did it during the world wars, Ukrainians did it north of Kiev early in the war to stop the Russian advance on the city. Russia is on the defense now.

    - The greatest amount of damage occurs to areas under Ukrainian control now, or areas Ukraine hopes to capture in its counteroffensive. Scorched Earth by retesting Russian forces is a Russian specialty.

    The possible real explanations are:

    1. Accident, mismanagement, human error. The dam was compromised, the Russian authorities weren’t able to manage it, and they did stupid things like allowing the reservoir to reach record high levels which led to structural collapse. Months ago Zelensky had been asking the UN to send inspectors there for oversight, but the Russians refused. Parallel to Chernobyl accident caused by reckless incompetence.

    2. Russians meant to create a limited explosion that would wash away Ukrainian forces who had recently taken some islands and would make crossing more difficult, but instead the entire dam blew (incompetence) causing a much greater disaster than the Russians anticipated. Evidence for this was Russian bragging initially, followed by denial when the scale of the disaster became clear. Analogous to the shooting down of the Malaysian plane - Russians bragged about taking down a military transport jet, then denied it and blamed the Ukrainians.

    3. It was deliberate and planned. By blowing up the dam this weekend, this part of the front will be uncrossable for weeks (even after the water recedes the ground will be muddy and impassable for tanks for a long time). Analogous to the Soviets blowing up a dam on the same river during World War II in order to slow the German advance, killing 10,000s of Ukrainian civilians and thousands of Soviet soldiers who were also swept away.

    I think (1) and (2) are most likely because a lot of entrenched Russian equipment was lost; this stuff would probably have been moved prior to the dam’s destruction had it been planned to go the way it went. (3) is possible if it was a local commander making the decision (spooked?), without taking into consideration Russian forces downstream.

    Girkin states that both Ukrainians and Russians were surprised and unprepared for the dam’s total destruction (see under “more”), suggesting that (1) or (2) are the most likely explanations.



    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1666347538780237825?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Russians changing their stories as the disaster unfolds:

    https://twitter.com/volodyatretyak/status/1666015265971118082?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @QCIC, @sudden death, @Gerard1234, @The Big Red Scary

    It’s a good opportunity to identify people who are gullible and/or idiots and/or hopelessly brainwashed people. Those who think Ukraine did it are exactly such people. These kinds of idiots would be insisting that Napoleon is the one who burned Moscow down.

    – There is no evidence of rocket or artillery strikes that night. Russia controlled the dam. So Ukrainian commandos mined the dam under the Russians’ noses?

    – Blowing up dams is typically what defenses do to slow down or prevent an attack. Dutch and Soviets did it during the world wars, Ukrainians did it north of Kiev early in the war to stop the Russian advance on the city. Russia is on the defense now.

    LOL – did anybody read this bimbo’s comments about the Patriot system struck in Kiev? And in the connecting story about the fake of them intercepting a Kinzhal? It was not just intentionally false, sociopathic garbage – it was very high bimbo level of cluelessness. Like a newsreader reading the prompter – recycling garbage this freakshow has seen on twitter or wherever, without any thought as to what is actually there.
    If this blog has ANY standards, surely this idiot should have been banned just for that nonsense by itself?

    As a Civil Engineer it is both hilarious but also vomit-inducing to see this compulsive liar and obviously sick creature cross into this “field” about the dam.

    Anyway the points listed by this sociopathic scumbag are too idiotic to bother to discuss now. All I will do is list the following terrorist actions of the ukronazi regime.

    1. Blocked water flowing into Crimea from North Crimean canal immediately in 2014,
    2. Blew-up transmission cables in Kherson delivering electricity to Crimea.
    3. Repeatedly for 8 years conducted targeted strikes at substations and pumping stations in Donbass, causing numerous different periods of no electricity and no drinking water/reduced schedules.
    4. Shelled the water pipe on Kherson territory delivering drinking water to Nikolaev in the first few months of SMO. All civilians in Nikolaev without water.
    5. Regular targeted strikes at various parts of Zaporizhia nuclear plant – basically all parts of it.
    6. Shelled Kursk nuclear power plant – the transmission cables were directly hit
    7. Blew up the Irpin Dam, flooding parts north of the city
    8. FOURTEEN different times the ukronazis have either hit the Novaya Khakovka dam or engaged air defence protecting it in the last 11-12 months
    9. This week blew up the ammonium pipeline delivering from Tolyatti to Odessa ( it had been closed since the start of SMO) effectively trying to sabotage their own grain deal.
    10. Directly shutoff water from North Donets canal supplying drinking water to Donetsk and other towns in Donbass – a complete blockade from February of last year, that only started to be broken in May this year, with water from Don river.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Gerard1234


    As a Civil Engineer...
     
    you didn't want to be a real engineer?

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @AP, @A123

  722. @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    No problems at all with how interethnic relations are playing out?
     
    You had posted this most recently on this topic, somehow trying to show how in my supposed exuberance in championing the American melting pot, I was blind in not noting racial problems that still exist in the US. My bringing up Breivik and his plight was to show that interracial problems are evident in otherwise healthy, white homogenized countries like even Norway too. Your inability to distinguish between healthy "nordicist views" and what prompted Breivik to murder some 70 young individuals as being a prima facie act of some sort of mental illness is of course your prerogative.

    Is this the kind of a "sane act" that we could expect you to perform in championing any political cause that you strongly support?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    3/4 of the people Breivik shot were pakis, blacks, east asians and assorted darkies. The Youth Leadership Wing of Norwegian Labour Party bit the dust on the Island.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    So this was a righteous act? Also, the 25% that were whites were just expendable "collateral damage"?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Matra
    @Wokechoke

    This was the most high IQ right wing terrorist attack I can remember. It was very well planned and instead of targeting random foreigners/blacks no one really cares about he went after political operatives (or future ones), the kinds of people who usually don't pay a price for their mendacious policies. That the elite kind of played it down, moved on and rarely talk about it any more indicates that it hit them where it hurt.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  723. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    Norway isn't that homogenous these days, like with many other European countries on current trends the native population will become a minority at some point in the 2nd half of this century. That prospect is what motivated Breivik's crime.


    Your inability to distinguish between healthy “nordicist views” and what prompted Breivik to murder some 70 young individuals as being a prima facie act of some sort of mental illness is of course your prerogative.

    Is this the kind of a “sane act” that we could expect you to perform in championing any political cause that you strongly support?
     
    I don't understand your reasoning here. My point simply was that I don't think Breivik is mentally ill in the sense of having diminished responsibility because of having heard voices, being a paranoid schizophreniac or something else of the sort. Therefore he belongs in prison, not in a mental hospital.
    As for your question, no, I don't condone terrorist acts or political violence. I'm not sure however you have the moral authority to be overly moralistic over people who do, given your own past approval of terroristic tactics in service of the cause you identify with (iirc you were fine with Ukraine blowing up that lorry driver and other Russian civilians driving on the Crimea bridge).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    One only has to know who Breivik shot dead to know he was targeting blacks and browns.

  724. @Wokechoke
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h28yyg3pABM


    Not an unreasonable comparison to make, as it turns out. Ukraine's high command just murderers those gallant crews.


    Outcome of operation and strategy unknown at this point but that was murder.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    “gallant crews”?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    He was referring to the UKRAINIAN crews. His point was that they're being sacrificed in an ill-conceived assault, like with the Light Brigade.
    Probably too early to tell though.

  725. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird
    @silviosilver

    IMO, Twin Peaks did have a few moments of genius, (am a particular fan of the 'Log Lady', which I consider a pronatalist message), but overall I would definitely call it a mess.

    Recently, I've been watching the old TV miniseries 'The Shogun.' It's not high-brow and I am not very far into it, but I'm enjoying it so far. It almost seems antiwoke in its depiction of Japan as a very alien society. Read one of the books a long time ago. Seems a curious contrast to Roots (which I have never seen, but the success of which helped spawn the Shogun adaptation). And it seems interesting to try to put it into an historical context. (Linked more to WW2 or the economic rise of Japan, like in Rising Sun?)

    Wonder if A123's prediction of Disney selling Licasfilm will come true or not.

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver

    Wonder if A123’s prediction of Disney selling Lucasfilm will come true or not.

    More leaks on the potential Lucasfilm sale. Most likely buyer = George Lucas.

    Disney needs a huge amount of money to buy out Hulu. And, they are not selling ESPN. Star Wars is their most easily sold IP.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    Seems extraordinary to me that anyone would consider Hulu to be worth $27 billion. (Minimum valuation). Isn't the core of it just horrible network shows? But, then again, Musk paid $44 billion for Twitter.

  726. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    "gallant crews"?

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/341/754/9c5.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader

    He was referring to the UKRAINIAN crews. His point was that they’re being sacrificed in an ill-conceived assault, like with the Light Brigade.
    Probably too early to tell though.

  727. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    3/4 of the people Breivik shot were pakis, blacks, east asians and assorted darkies. The Youth Leadership Wing of Norwegian Labour Party bit the dust on the Island.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Matra

    So this was a righteous act? Also, the 25% that were whites were just expendable “collateral damage”?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...expendable “collateral damage”?
     
    You are the guy who champions the country that murdered hundreds of thousands in mad bombings around the world - including in white Serbia - you have no standing to talk about "collateral damage". Clean up your own house first.

    Today you are enthusiastically sending thousands of white Ukies to die so Nato can be on the Russian borders in Ukraine and to make sure that the pesky Russians in Ukraine have no rights. You do it from the safety - but the horrific heat and dirt - of Phoenix. You sound like the guys who sent the Light Brigade to its death, with the same idiotic self-regard and inability to see that others have rights too.

    You should just stay in the half-Mexican Phoenix...eventually you will not matter at all, not your views, your church, not even your language...what goes around comes around...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wokechoke

  728. @sudden death
    Obviously ominous sign of an inevitable US economy all-out collapse happening very soon due to sanctions and interest rates - real manufacturing construction spending rising and rising up;)

    https://i.postimg.cc/zXwxMKwb/US-construction-spending.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Gerard1234

    How is that non-Russian railway gauge going? Incompetent shithead. Who cares about US economy if failing German economy is deadly for Baltic earthworms?

  729. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFntRUsjENk&ab_channel=BishopG

    Replies: @QCIC

    FYI, the real slang is “Git a holt of”

  730. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    So this was a righteous act? Also, the 25% that were whites were just expendable "collateral damage"?

    Replies: @Beckow

    …expendable “collateral damage”?

    You are the guy who champions the country that murdered hundreds of thousands in mad bombings around the world – including in white Serbia – you have no standing to talk about “collateral damage”. Clean up your own house first.

    Today you are enthusiastically sending thousands of white Ukies to die so Nato can be on the Russian borders in Ukraine and to make sure that the pesky Russians in Ukraine have no rights. You do it from the safety – but the horrific heat and dirt – of Phoenix. You sound like the guys who sent the Light Brigade to its death, with the same idiotic self-regard and inability to see that others have rights too.

    You should just stay in the half-Mexican Phoenix…eventually you will not matter at all, not your views, your church, not even your language…what goes around comes around…

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    We were discussing the foolish and terroristic acts of a lone boy in Norway...the 25% whites that were killed along with Afghanis and other darker skinned ethnics. Get your bearings on straighter, save your pre-canned spiel for another time (we've heard it all before, try something new and more original).

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    I'm pretty sure Hack must be Jewish at this point. He's an expat Ukie for one. Works in the banks, reacted to Breivik's name like a vampire etc...like's Ramirez's cartoons. Scottsdale instead of Prescott.

  731. @Boethiuss
    @Beckow


    The Ukies will be ordered to attack and be bloodied. The neo-cons have been buying time by using Ukie lives because they can’t face the reality of losing. Once that option is gone, the real hysteria will begin…
     
    The Ukrainians are going to attack and kick ass. The only way they are going to get their territory back is to take it by force.

    The neocons have some juice in that they have some influence in the Biden Administration and the Biden Administration has sent lots of kit to Ukraine. But the will to fight is coming from the Ukrainians. There's nobody in the US ordering them to do anything.

    When offensive does start, Russia is going to fold quickly. Like you said they are spread out to thin. And there is no tactical or strategic necessity for Ukraine to attack any particular fortification.

    Replies: @Derer, @Beckow

    The only way they (U Krajina) are going to get their territory back

    That territory is Russian and inhabited by Russians. The Nuland’s installed puppets in Kiev committed crimes against Russian minority and will not escape punishment. So far Russia is engaging in a slow velvet war that is causing West’s destabilization and economic collapse and a rise of Russo/China dual empire.

  732. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    3/4 of the people Breivik shot were pakis, blacks, east asians and assorted darkies. The Youth Leadership Wing of Norwegian Labour Party bit the dust on the Island.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Matra

    This was the most high IQ right wing terrorist attack I can remember. It was very well planned and instead of targeting random foreigners/blacks no one really cares about he went after political operatives (or future ones), the kinds of people who usually don’t pay a price for their mendacious policies. That the elite kind of played it down, moved on and rarely talk about it any more indicates that it hit them where it hurt.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Matra

    Exactly. Ice Cold Bezerker.

  733. @AP
    @Beckow


    Eurasia is not a racial category…as Azhiopa.

    You wrote ‘Eurasian beast‘ and ‘zhopa’ (?)….if that is not racism, what would be
     
    Eurasia is not a race. The Nazis whom your people chose to serve were also beasts. Is that a racist thing to say?

    You have spent too much time in America, it shows in your instinctive whining about “racism.”

    You are what I said you were: a frustrated Nazi odjebok
     
    Don’t project. Nazi loss was good for my family.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Let me get this, you are saying that the Russians are beasts like the Nazis?

    Everybody knows what you sickos mean when you repeat the Nazi language of “Asiats” or “Eurasians” – don’t pretend otherwise.

    Your constant analogies to your suffering US homeland are besides the point – we don’t think that way. You imported your African slave population, and now you are importing the rest of the Third World – all for the holy grail of “cheap labor”. Then you have to live with the consequences.

    None of it is of much interest to the rest of us – your inability to think through what you are doing and willingness to sacrifice your children’s future for the temporary vision of higher profits (“cheaper labor”) is your own problem. Don’t export it.

    I am pointing to your more immediate racist language that Ukies-Poles are in the habit of using when attacking Russians. It has nothing to do with “America”, it is sour grapes by wanna-be “Western” poseurs – you are clearly one of them. The fact that Russians in WW2 saved your family hide – and your cosmic ingratitude for it – only shows your low character.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    The fact that Russians in WW2 saved your family hide – and your cosmic ingratitude for it – only shows your low character.
     
    More like the Russians in WWII retained control of Ukraine, and made it possible for events like the Holodomor to take place in the past, or the rotten stinking invasion of Ukraine today.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    Let me get this, you are saying that the Russians are beasts like the Nazis?
     
    Soviets and Nazis were equally beastls in term of their administrations, they just varied in their choice of victims.

    But the regular RusFed soldiers in Ukraine are more beastly than were the regular German soldiers in Ukraine. This is what elderly people who survived both occupations say.


    Your constant analogies to your suffering US homeland
     
    You are the one who brought racism - an American obsession - into the conversation. Not I.

    I am pointing to your more immediate racist language
     
    Your time in America is showing again, you give yourself away.

    The fact that Russians in WW2 saved your family hide
     
    Because you are ignorant you havbe it backwards.

    Poland saved the USSR by denying German requests for a mutual anti-Soviet alliance.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    “Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. ”

    As for my own family - my Galician relatives did fine under Polish, German and post-war Soviet rule (a few were killed by Soviets 1939-1940) my relatives from Soviet Ukraine were murdered by Bolsheviks in the 1930s but no civilians were killed or harmed by Germans. Some in the Soviet army died in battle against them (you as usual lie and call them Russians). So Soviets certainly did not save my family hide.

    Speaking of regular Germans, during the occupation in a small town in central Ukraine a couple of hours from Kiev, my mother's aunt had a difficult pregnancy with complications. The family begged for help from some German soldiers, who felt sorry for her and took her to a hospital for Germans where they managed to save her life and deliver my mother's 1st cousin.

    This basic sort of humanity is largely absent from the so-called brothers who were butchering or raping people in Bucha and elsewhere in Ukraine. One mostly hears horrors from those unfortunate to have lived under Russian occupation. The general perception in Ukraine is that - "Russians" (Russian forces heavily include Buryats, Chechens, and other fellow Eurasians) are even worse than German fascists were.


    your low character.
     
    Someone who lies all the time like you do and comes from generations of lackeys to brutal invaders naturally confuses low and high when it comes to character. One can only consider your statement to be a compliment :-)
  734. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...expendable “collateral damage”?
     
    You are the guy who champions the country that murdered hundreds of thousands in mad bombings around the world - including in white Serbia - you have no standing to talk about "collateral damage". Clean up your own house first.

    Today you are enthusiastically sending thousands of white Ukies to die so Nato can be on the Russian borders in Ukraine and to make sure that the pesky Russians in Ukraine have no rights. You do it from the safety - but the horrific heat and dirt - of Phoenix. You sound like the guys who sent the Light Brigade to its death, with the same idiotic self-regard and inability to see that others have rights too.

    You should just stay in the half-Mexican Phoenix...eventually you will not matter at all, not your views, your church, not even your language...what goes around comes around...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wokechoke

    We were discussing the foolish and terroristic acts of a lone boy in Norway…the 25% whites that were killed along with Afghanis and other darker skinned ethnics. Get your bearings on straighter, save your pre-canned spiel for another time (we’ve heard it all before, try something new and more original).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    No, you brought up the "collateral damage"...own up to it.

    When caught in an inconsistency you always run away. You don't decide what is and what isn't allowed in our discussions...either behave rationally or accept that we see you as a simpleton with an emotional attachment to your Ukie side but incapable of actual rational discussion.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  735. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    It’s a good opportunity to identify people who are gullible and/or idiots and/or hopelessly brainwashed people. Those who think Ukraine did it are exactly such people. These kinds of idiots would be insisting that Napoleon is the one who burned Moscow down.

    – There is no evidence of rocket or artillery strikes that night. Russia controlled the dam. So Ukrainian commandos mined the dam under the Russians’ noses?

    – Blowing up dams is typically what defenses do to slow down or prevent an attack. Dutch and Soviets did it during the world wars, Ukrainians did it north of Kiev early in the war to stop the Russian advance on the city. Russia is on the defense now.

     

    LOL - did anybody read this bimbo's comments about the Patriot system struck in Kiev? And in the connecting story about the fake of them intercepting a Kinzhal? It was not just intentionally false, sociopathic garbage - it was very high bimbo level of cluelessness. Like a newsreader reading the prompter - recycling garbage this freakshow has seen on twitter or wherever, without any thought as to what is actually there.
    If this blog has ANY standards, surely this idiot should have been banned just for that nonsense by itself?

    As a Civil Engineer it is both hilarious but also vomit-inducing to see this compulsive liar and obviously sick creature cross into this "field" about the dam.

    Anyway the points listed by this sociopathic scumbag are too idiotic to bother to discuss now. All I will do is list the following terrorist actions of the ukronazi regime.

    1. Blocked water flowing into Crimea from North Crimean canal immediately in 2014,
    2. Blew-up transmission cables in Kherson delivering electricity to Crimea.
    3. Repeatedly for 8 years conducted targeted strikes at substations and pumping stations in Donbass, causing numerous different periods of no electricity and no drinking water/reduced schedules.
    4. Shelled the water pipe on Kherson territory delivering drinking water to Nikolaev in the first few months of SMO. All civilians in Nikolaev without water.
    5. Regular targeted strikes at various parts of Zaporizhia nuclear plant - basically all parts of it.
    6. Shelled Kursk nuclear power plant - the transmission cables were directly hit
    7. Blew up the Irpin Dam, flooding parts north of the city
    8. FOURTEEN different times the ukronazis have either hit the Novaya Khakovka dam or engaged air defence protecting it in the last 11-12 months
    9. This week blew up the ammonium pipeline delivering from Tolyatti to Odessa ( it had been closed since the start of SMO) effectively trying to sabotage their own grain deal.
    10. Directly shutoff water from North Donets canal supplying drinking water to Donetsk and other towns in Donbass - a complete blockade from February of last year, that only started to be broken in May this year, with water from Don river.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    As a Civil Engineer…

    you didn’t want to be a real engineer?

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Greasy William

    Too confused by your comment to be insulted by it. Its the greatest job on the planet.

    Anyway I thought Chemical "Engineer" or IT "Engineer" were clearly fake engineers.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @AP
    @Greasy William

    Couldn’t.

    In the Soviet world, engineering was for people too dumb to study physics, chemistry, biology, medicine, etc. There were some elite schools that produces legitimately good engineers but for the most part engineering was a catchment for those smart enough to go past high school but not smart enough to do much. In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack

    , @A123
    @Greasy William

    I do not understand why people bad mouth Civil Engineers.

    If you build something and the pad is strong enough your equipment is out of alignment or broken. If they do jot get the fire containment right... Very bad. If they don't get the hurricane and flood protection right, you are catastrophically boned. Site preparation is vital, and much of that is done by Civil.

    Have you met Marketing majors? How about HR graduates? I much prefer the CE's.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123

  736. @Boethiuss
    @Beckow


    The Ukies will be ordered to attack and be bloodied. The neo-cons have been buying time by using Ukie lives because they can’t face the reality of losing. Once that option is gone, the real hysteria will begin…
     
    The Ukrainians are going to attack and kick ass. The only way they are going to get their territory back is to take it by force.

    The neocons have some juice in that they have some influence in the Biden Administration and the Biden Administration has sent lots of kit to Ukraine. But the will to fight is coming from the Ukrainians. There's nobody in the US ordering them to do anything.

    When offensive does start, Russia is going to fold quickly. Like you said they are spread out to thin. And there is no tactical or strategic necessity for Ukraine to attack any particular fortification.

    Replies: @Derer, @Beckow

    …When offensive does start, Russia is going to fold quickly.

    Riiight…. Is it happening now? Or next month? Or maybe in the fall?

    You live on fairy tales and desperate hope. It looks like the Ukies were bloodied – as I predicted – and Russia is not folding.

    What now? Are you going to scuttle away or change your moniker again? Or predict the next “offensive”?

  737. What?

    https://famous-trials.com/breivik/2579-the-july-22nd-victims

    The kids he killed in Utoya were a select group of diverse political activists that were going to become the new leaders of a Labour led Norwegian future. Breivik’d been watching too much StarWars with Anakin slaughtering the Youngling Jedi I suspect. The diversionary bomb in Oslo was a shitty move. Ultimately his action was futile, of course. The leaders of Norway Labour doubled down with their multicultural policies and the state supplied psychologists wrote Breivik off as a pathological narcissist. If he’d dropped a bomb on Russian kids in Donbass today or Afghan kids via a drone he’d be given a medal.

    The thing that makes Breivik especially odd from a conspiracy POV was the direct appeal to the EDL, Tommy Robinson & Pamela Geller in his manifesto. The (((Counter Jihad))) internet folks like Gates of Vienna had a terrible time living down his published writings viz their influence on him.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Wokechoke


    The thing that makes Breivik especially odd from a conspiracy POV was the direct appeal to the EDL, Tommy Robinson & Pamela Geller in his manifesto.
     
    I think he later admitted that the posing as a crusader was intentional misdirection (don't remember the exact logic behind it, maybe he wanted to damage the so-called counter-jihad movement?). His real views were more of a hardcore Nordic ethnonationalist or even Neo-Nazi kind.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  738. @Matra
    @Wokechoke

    This was the most high IQ right wing terrorist attack I can remember. It was very well planned and instead of targeting random foreigners/blacks no one really cares about he went after political operatives (or future ones), the kinds of people who usually don't pay a price for their mendacious policies. That the elite kind of played it down, moved on and rarely talk about it any more indicates that it hit them where it hurt.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Exactly. Ice Cold Bezerker.

  739. @Beckow
    @AP

    Let me get this, you are saying that the Russians are beasts like the Nazis?

    Everybody knows what you sickos mean when you repeat the Nazi language of "Asiats" or "Eurasians" - don't pretend otherwise.

    Your constant analogies to your suffering US homeland are besides the point - we don't think that way. You imported your African slave population, and now you are importing the rest of the Third World - all for the holy grail of "cheap labor". Then you have to live with the consequences.

    None of it is of much interest to the rest of us - your inability to think through what you are doing and willingness to sacrifice your children's future for the temporary vision of higher profits ("cheaper labor") is your own problem. Don't export it.

    I am pointing to your more immediate racist language that Ukies-Poles are in the habit of using when attacking Russians. It has nothing to do with "America", it is sour grapes by wanna-be "Western" poseurs - you are clearly one of them. The fact that Russians in WW2 saved your family hide - and your cosmic ingratitude for it - only shows your low character.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    The fact that Russians in WW2 saved your family hide – and your cosmic ingratitude for it – only shows your low character.

    More like the Russians in WWII retained control of Ukraine, and made it possible for events like the Holodomor to take place in the past, or the rotten stinking invasion of Ukraine today.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    Holodomor was before the WW2. It happened as the triumphant Stalinist faction enforced collectivisation of agricultural activities and sold the wheat to the British and Americans to finance the purchase of MIC factories.

    During that time my Rusdian grandmother and her family were also starving in the Penza region along their Mordvinian and Tatar neighbors in the villages nearby. The Khakassian Turks lost near one third of their population to the famine at that time. Do you believe that your ethnic group has a monopoly on suffering?

    BTW, my Ukrainian / Polish Ruthenian side of the family in Eastern Ukraine didn't experience hunger because they had already moved to the towns from the countryside. The famine was also a way to break down the peasantry and enable the forced and accelerated urbanization.

    Also who was at the helm of the Ukrainian SSR at that time? What was the proportion of Russian/Jewish/Ukrainian NKVD officers as compared to the ethnic makeup of the Ukrainian SSR population?

    I suggest you look into it and compare it to the ethnic makeup of today's Ukrainian elites that you hold in such a great esteem.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

  740. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...expendable “collateral damage”?
     
    You are the guy who champions the country that murdered hundreds of thousands in mad bombings around the world - including in white Serbia - you have no standing to talk about "collateral damage". Clean up your own house first.

    Today you are enthusiastically sending thousands of white Ukies to die so Nato can be on the Russian borders in Ukraine and to make sure that the pesky Russians in Ukraine have no rights. You do it from the safety - but the horrific heat and dirt - of Phoenix. You sound like the guys who sent the Light Brigade to its death, with the same idiotic self-regard and inability to see that others have rights too.

    You should just stay in the half-Mexican Phoenix...eventually you will not matter at all, not your views, your church, not even your language...what goes around comes around...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wokechoke

    I’m pretty sure Hack must be Jewish at this point. He’s an expat Ukie for one. Works in the banks, reacted to Breivik’s name like a vampire etc…like’s Ramirez’s cartoons. Scottsdale instead of Prescott.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  741. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    Norway isn't that homogenous these days, like with many other European countries on current trends the native population will become a minority at some point in the 2nd half of this century. That prospect is what motivated Breivik's crime.


    Your inability to distinguish between healthy “nordicist views” and what prompted Breivik to murder some 70 young individuals as being a prima facie act of some sort of mental illness is of course your prerogative.

    Is this the kind of a “sane act” that we could expect you to perform in championing any political cause that you strongly support?
     
    I don't understand your reasoning here. My point simply was that I don't think Breivik is mentally ill in the sense of having diminished responsibility because of having heard voices, being a paranoid schizophreniac or something else of the sort. Therefore he belongs in prison, not in a mental hospital.
    As for your question, no, I don't condone terrorist acts or political violence. I'm not sure however you have the moral authority to be overly moralistic over people who do, given your own past approval of terroristic tactics in service of the cause you identify with (iirc you were fine with Ukraine blowing up that lorry driver and other Russian civilians driving on the Crimea bridge).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    I’m not sure however you have the moral authority to be overly moralistic over people who do, given your own past approval of terroristic tactics in service of the cause you identify with (iirc you were fine with Ukraine blowing up that lorry driver and other Russian civilians driving on the Crimea bridge).

    I’m able to differentiate between the acts of a country at war, defending itself from offensive incursions occurring within its borders and a young boy who was acting out on some questionable fantasies that included scenarios that never personally affected his own safety. You don’t see a huge difference in these two scenarios?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    It was as another poster pointed out quite a precise attack on domestic political elite opponents, where it would hurt the most. The Norse do know how to make a precise exit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZc0UdF4-Mk&t=2s

  742. @Greasy William
    @Gerard1234


    As a Civil Engineer...
     
    you didn't want to be a real engineer?

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @AP, @A123

    Too confused by your comment to be insulted by it. Its the greatest job on the planet.

    Anyway I thought Chemical “Engineer” or IT “Engineer” were clearly fake engineers.

    • Thanks: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Gerard1234

    I think you guys had this discussion on the engineering pecking order years ago. The idea that civil engineers are lower on the totem pole may be a Western notion because there are many Civ-Es at least in the USA who are not adequate at math to be competent in other serious engineering professions. On the other hand these same civil engineers are not designing bridges, dams and the like, but probably focus on building secondary roads. This work has been in high demand as part of a continuous buildout in the past 50 years in the USA. Lots of work and very important to our daily lives, but not too demanding.

    The older idea of civil engineering, which in the past seemed to be Gerard1234's view, is that civil engineers created vast works which greatly improved the lives of many people and required enormous care by the engineers to make both affordable and safe. The scale of civil engineering work is amazing. It was already mature while the other engineering branches were still playing around in the sandbox. Even though mature, each new project can still be challenging.

    Around 1980 in the USA, Electrical Engineering was considered the hardest engineering specialty since it was closest to Physics and therefore required the most math. High school math education is very poor in the USA. More recently, the majority of EEs are probably involved with computers which is not always very challenging unless one is designing CPUs or operating systems and a few other things.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  743. @sudden death
    @Yahya

    People are psychologically different and this short scene by David Lynch is good test.
    There are not so few people, claiming they're completely unfazed and don't understand what's the cause of the buzz about it.

    Overall, it's not completely flawless and could be improved, but imho this particular scene as it is, still comes very near to being example of perfect filmmaking abililty and craft. Not recommended to view any comments or search info about it before seeing it for the first time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UozhOo0Dt4o

    Replies: @Yahya, @Greasy William

    It is a perfect scene.

    Mulholland Drive is a great film but Lost Highway is another solid Lynch film.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Greasy William


    It is a perfect scene.
     
    There is a directorial decision, which arguably lessens immersion effect a bit imho - when the man with the tie goes to the counter to pay standing here, he doesn't seem scared at all. Maybe just very slightly concerned about his probable friend/acquintance/colleague exhibiting some signs of potential mental instability perhaps.

    Or simply just this actor is not so good at portraying fear as his short haired companion without a tie? But this seems slightly less believable as director simply would search and find more competent actor for such short episodic performance if he didn't instruct him not to act as very scared.

  744. @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    I’m not sure however you have the moral authority to be overly moralistic over people who do, given your own past approval of terroristic tactics in service of the cause you identify with (iirc you were fine with Ukraine blowing up that lorry driver and other Russian civilians driving on the Crimea bridge).
     
    I'm able to differentiate between the acts of a country at war, defending itself from offensive incursions occurring within its borders and a young boy who was acting out on some questionable fantasies that included scenarios that never personally affected his own safety. You don't see a huge difference in these two scenarios?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    It was as another poster pointed out quite a precise attack on domestic political elite opponents, where it would hurt the most. The Norse do know how to make a precise exit.

  745. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    The fact that Russians in WW2 saved your family hide – and your cosmic ingratitude for it – only shows your low character.
     
    More like the Russians in WWII retained control of Ukraine, and made it possible for events like the Holodomor to take place in the past, or the rotten stinking invasion of Ukraine today.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Holodomor was before the WW2. It happened as the triumphant Stalinist faction enforced collectivisation of agricultural activities and sold the wheat to the British and Americans to finance the purchase of MIC factories.

    During that time my Rusdian grandmother and her family were also starving in the Penza region along their Mordvinian and Tatar neighbors in the villages nearby. The Khakassian Turks lost near one third of their population to the famine at that time. Do you believe that your ethnic group has a monopoly on suffering?

    BTW, my Ukrainian / Polish Ruthenian side of the family in Eastern Ukraine didn’t experience hunger because they had already moved to the towns from the countryside. The famine was also a way to break down the peasantry and enable the forced and accelerated urbanization.

    Also who was at the helm of the Ukrainian SSR at that time? What was the proportion of Russian/Jewish/Ukrainian NKVD officers as compared to the ethnic makeup of the Ukrainian SSR population?

    I suggest you look into it and compare it to the ethnic makeup of today’s Ukrainian elites that you hold in such a great esteem.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    Kaganovich supervised the grain shipments, arrests, asset seizure etc. Much like his cousin Zelenskyy today.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Certainly, there were other areas within the Soviet Union that suffered under Stalin and the activities of his ruthless henchmen. Nobody can deny that the Jews had a heavy hand in carrying out his orders, and there were Russians, Latvians and Ukrainians involved too. The plans and actions to destroy Ukraine, however, were orchestrated within the Kremlin in Moscow, then as today. The vanguard nation then was Russia in this world socialist movement, so who are we to blame then? The history and political control of Russia was then and is today in Moscow. You can't totally wash your hands of these crimes and their associations with Russia in the minds of observers.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  746. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    Holodomor was before the WW2. It happened as the triumphant Stalinist faction enforced collectivisation of agricultural activities and sold the wheat to the British and Americans to finance the purchase of MIC factories.

    During that time my Rusdian grandmother and her family were also starving in the Penza region along their Mordvinian and Tatar neighbors in the villages nearby. The Khakassian Turks lost near one third of their population to the famine at that time. Do you believe that your ethnic group has a monopoly on suffering?

    BTW, my Ukrainian / Polish Ruthenian side of the family in Eastern Ukraine didn't experience hunger because they had already moved to the towns from the countryside. The famine was also a way to break down the peasantry and enable the forced and accelerated urbanization.

    Also who was at the helm of the Ukrainian SSR at that time? What was the proportion of Russian/Jewish/Ukrainian NKVD officers as compared to the ethnic makeup of the Ukrainian SSR population?

    I suggest you look into it and compare it to the ethnic makeup of today's Ukrainian elites that you hold in such a great esteem.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    Kaganovich supervised the grain shipments, arrests, asset seizure etc. Much like his cousin Zelenskyy today.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Wokechoke

    I know. I wanted Mr Hack to look into it and think about it. He tends to blame the Moskaly/Katsapy, but he conveniently forgets what was the ethnic background of the power structures back then and today. Mr Hack is American and he believes in the American melting pot approach, perhaps that is why he has a hard time seeing that inside the social organization of any country there are diverging interests at play at the ethnic, religious and cultural levels. This is also the case in US, the average American will learn it the hard way one day.

    Replies: @AP

  747. AP says:
    @Greasy William
    @Gerard1234


    As a Civil Engineer...
     
    you didn't want to be a real engineer?

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @AP, @A123

    Couldn’t.

    In the Soviet world, engineering was for people too dumb to study physics, chemistry, biology, medicine, etc. There were some elite schools that produces legitimately good engineers but for the most part engineering was a catchment for those smart enough to go past high school but not smart enough to do much. In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Yes, because the Soviets were so backward in engineering. Let's see, aerospace, nuclear, civil, electronics, etc. last time I checked they were world-class in these disciplines.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    In the Soviet world, engineering was for people too dumb to study physics, chemistry, biology, medicine, etc. There were some elite schools that produces legitimately good engineers but for the most part engineering was a catchment for those smart enough to go past high school but not smart enough to do much. In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers.
     
    LMAO!!! I just finished reading this fantasist scumbag AP's nonsense with Beckow which, among other things, involved inventing a fake family in Ukraine for this scumbag, which of course doesn't exist and is a place he has never been to..........now I get this psychiatric madness in the quote above about engineers! The "argument" from this retard is not like Soviets and Tsarists arguing with each other on the internet, or some consevative vs liberal thing.......its a hugely disturbed freak intentionally inventing a fake argument out of nowhere,based on zero experience , has no knowledge of Soviet Union, nor ANY about our elite schools or .....anything else.

    Anyway:


    Beglov, Governor of Saint Petersburg.....Civil Engineer
    Shoigu, Defense Minister (hugely successfully organising the destruction of 100s of 1000s of ukronazis in one of the most one-way military conflicts in history) - after being highly successful M.Ch.S ........Civil Engineer
    Patrushev, Head of FSB.......Shipbuilding Engineer ( involves plenty of the same learning as civil engineer)

    So the 3 most important things to our President - his city, the military and his former profession, are controlled by 3 engineers, 2 of them civil engineers.

    How much of a seriously deranged fuckup does somebody have to be to invent the lies this imbecile has just done, and regularly does? Is it not clear that this bimbo doesn't even know WTF engineering is?

    Not that I conflate the oligarchs with intelligence....but I am fairly sure most of the main ones were engineer qualified.

    LOL - 404's most sane, or least insane/least incompetant and longest serving leaders was Kuchma - former head of Yuzhmash

    Other people reading - remember that different to western states, obviously from Post-soviet era was not inherited same legacy of former lawyers and bankers in such high concentrations of elites in business and politics,and I have just listed engineers at the top of many important positions this millenium.

    So from this bimbo "AP",t would be like me criticising the Atlantic Ocean for it's lack of wetness, or Valuev for not being tall, such is what this immensely demented, pitiful retard is (deliberately falsely) saying about civil Engineers.

    In the Soviet world, engineering was for people too dumb to study physics, chemistry, biology, medicine, etc.
     
    Of course its a complete amusing lie from this sociopath, hoping to succeed with naive readers on it. It was prestigious, well paid , well respected and heavily in demand profession in USSR, absolutely critical profession with the very best institutes educating it. As I say we are not talking about differing opinions here, just some tramp inventing hilarious garbage.

    Any civil engineer from USSR could literally name their price for any job in USSR.

    Inevitably from this fantasist, there is some inevitable recycling of actual ukrop projection. Of course Soviet and Tsarist civil engineering legacy is the only thing keeping this fake state together - the pussy, gangrene meme-seeking freaks in Azovstal being one of the best "advertisers" of it. I suppose destroying with khokhol deathcultism over the last 30 years entire huge industries of 404 and the completely non-existent construction industry in 404 in the last 9 years can be amusingly deflected aware by (pseudo) Galician fucktards by faking some nonsense about " no engineering talent" LOL in USSR

    Again, among other things, surely the bimbo nonsense about the Patriot system in Kiev last week should have got this attention-whore banned on issues of decency?
    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers.
     
    I rarely (if ever) find cause to criticize you or your thoughts expressed at this website. In fact, I think that you are one of the better commenters that expresses himself here, and I think that you'd have to admit that nobody who regularly blogs here has lavished greater praise for your comments than I.

    Yet in this one outburst of yours, you've managed to give a poor example of humility and have managed to put substance to a characterization of yours as being a haughty individual with an uncontrollable ego expressed by individuals like AaronB and even Dmitry (a commenter that I know that you appreciate). Is it proper for a Christian to write such demeaning nonsense about people, perhaps less fortunate than you, who have managed to raise their place in the world by educating themselves (not at the PhD level perhaps, BTW have you acquired a PhD, and if not, why not?) and working hard to put food on their table. Honest and hard work should never be denigrated.

    I work among these types of people today, that you so callously try and denigrate. I do so now, towards the end of my working career, for it's not as stressful as full time more responsible work. I worked for many years as a manager with 25 plus retirement plans that I was responsible for. Not everybody can handle the stress nor feels comfortable doing the necessary calculations of this kind of work. Yet I try not to denigrate others that are working honestly within their chosen professions. Where would you be today without some sort of help from the "office plankton" of the world?

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

  748. @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    Kaganovich supervised the grain shipments, arrests, asset seizure etc. Much like his cousin Zelenskyy today.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I know. I wanted Mr Hack to look into it and think about it. He tends to blame the Moskaly/Katsapy, but he conveniently forgets what was the ethnic background of the power structures back then and today. Mr Hack is American and he believes in the American melting pot approach, perhaps that is why he has a hard time seeing that inside the social organization of any country there are diverging interests at play at the ethnic, religious and cultural levels. This is also the case in US, the average American will learn it the hard way one day.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    He tends to blame the Moskaly/Katsapy, but he conveniently forgets what was the ethnic background of the power structures back then and today.
     
    The problem with Moskali is that they have always been ruled by non-Slavs to a large degree. So rule by Moscow = rule by cruel Georgians, Germans, Jews, Latvians, Tatars, etc. Had Ukraine stayed out of Moscow's grasp it would have had kinder Slavic rulers. Even the nasty 1930s Polish nationalists were nothing compared to Muscovite overlords.

    Russification has meant that Ukraine now has a similar phenomenon though it remains to be seen how pervasive this is. Before Zelensky, we had an ethnic Ukrainian president Poroshenko who built up the army.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ, @Ernst101, @Ivashka the fool

  749. @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    Sternhell, the Franco-Israeli historian points out the number of Jews involved in Italian Fascism in the early period (Mussolini had a Jewish intellectual as a mistress who helped him with ideology)
     
    Sure, but eventually fascist Italy also enacted racial laws, including antisemitic ones, and the dominant view now seems to be that this wasn't in any way forced on Italy by the German alliance, but more of an organic development, triggered by the Ethiopian war.
    One key difference probably was the lasting influence of old elites like monarchists in fascist Italy, due to the way Mussolini had come to power. They were a moderating factor. There's an argument that the Salò regime after September 1943 was more indicative of what a "pure" fascism might have been like. But to some extent it was of course also a German puppet regime, so difficult to judge.
    In any case, it's certainly true that fascist Italy never quite went to the extremes of mass murder Nazi Germany did (though it did employ pretty brutal methods in its colonies and wars abroad). But it also wasn't just the operatic joke it's often depicted as.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Sure, but eventually fascist Italy also enacted racial laws, including antisemitic ones, and the dominant view now seems to be that this wasn’t in any way forced on Italy by the German alliance, but more of an organic development, triggered by the Ethiopian war.

    I got around to finishing the chapters on race in the A. James Gregor book I have been reading. This is an older one (about 1967/68 iirc), I probably need something more recent on the historical side as he doesn’t explain a lot about the origin of anti-semitic legislation, though he does recognise that it wasn’t pushed on Mussolini by the German alliance and there could have been some precedent for it in Fascist thought. The link to the Ethiopian war maybe had not been identified when he was writing.

    There are some interesting parts about the challenges the racial thing posed to the ideologists, when race was still identified by phenotype. He says they discovered the Italian population could be divided into too many phenotypic categories and examples of mixed European race so went for a general Aryan/European classification. This might indirectly point at the colonial explanation, as Italians could marry any European but not Jews or Africans.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    The link to the Ethiopian war maybe had not been identified when he was writing.
     
    Would have to look it up, but iirc there were two factors related to the Ethiopian war that led to the race laws, a) reaction to the non-cooperative attitude of Ethiopian elites (apparently contrary to the initial expectations of the Italians), b) concern over sexual relationships between Italian soldiers and African women. So essentially an attempt to mark down the boundaries between rulers and ruled.
    Can't really remember how and why it was also extended to Italian Jews. But iirc the anti-Jewish legislation got progressively more radical during the war (e. g. by 1943 there were plans to send all Jews to labour camps which may only have been prevented by the coup against Mussolini).
  750. AP says:
    @Matra
    @AP

    Most of the Poles I know support PiS. They are around age 50 so not young, but highly educated and wealthy. But generally conservative and with kids.

    You should encourage them to visit Rotterdam or Rotherham so they can get a glimpse of the future that awaits their grandchildren:


    https://twitter.com/PoleConnection/status/1667190559155396609

    Replies: @AP

    Not many Muslims there (I suspect many of the small number of people from the ex-Soviet states are ethnic Europeans) and very few from troublesome countries. We don’t know how many stayed versus moved on. And the total number is swamped by Ukrainians.

    When I was in Poland in last spring (Krakow, Rzeszow, various other towns) I saw about 2 non-Europeans (not including touriosts or American soldiers). They were cute Filipina girls, working as waitresses in Krakow.

  751. German_reader says:
    @Wokechoke
    What?

    https://famous-trials.com/breivik/2579-the-july-22nd-victims

    The kids he killed in Utoya were a select group of diverse political activists that were going to become the new leaders of a Labour led Norwegian future. Breivik'd been watching too much StarWars with Anakin slaughtering the Youngling Jedi I suspect. The diversionary bomb in Oslo was a shitty move. Ultimately his action was futile, of course. The leaders of Norway Labour doubled down with their multicultural policies and the state supplied psychologists wrote Breivik off as a pathological narcissist. If he'd dropped a bomb on Russian kids in Donbass today or Afghan kids via a drone he'd be given a medal.

    The thing that makes Breivik especially odd from a conspiracy POV was the direct appeal to the EDL, Tommy Robinson & Pamela Geller in his manifesto. The (((Counter Jihad))) internet folks like Gates of Vienna had a terrible time living down his published writings viz their influence on him.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The thing that makes Breivik especially odd from a conspiracy POV was the direct appeal to the EDL, Tommy Robinson & Pamela Geller in his manifesto.

    I think he later admitted that the posing as a crusader was intentional misdirection (don’t remember the exact logic behind it, maybe he wanted to damage the so-called counter-jihad movement?). His real views were more of a hardcore Nordic ethnonationalist or even Neo-Nazi kind.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    Apparently. His focus on blowing out the youth of Labour is unusual for the boobs who normally go berzerk like Dylan Roof, where he killed some harmless black grandmas.

  752. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts
    @German_reader


    Sure, but eventually fascist Italy also enacted racial laws, including antisemitic ones, and the dominant view now seems to be that this wasn’t in any way forced on Italy by the German alliance, but more of an organic development, triggered by the Ethiopian war.
     
    I got around to finishing the chapters on race in the A. James Gregor book I have been reading. This is an older one (about 1967/68 iirc), I probably need something more recent on the historical side as he doesn't explain a lot about the origin of anti-semitic legislation, though he does recognise that it wasn't pushed on Mussolini by the German alliance and there could have been some precedent for it in Fascist thought. The link to the Ethiopian war maybe had not been identified when he was writing.

    There are some interesting parts about the challenges the racial thing posed to the ideologists, when race was still identified by phenotype. He says they discovered the Italian population could be divided into too many phenotypic categories and examples of mixed European race so went for a general Aryan/European classification. This might indirectly point at the colonial explanation, as Italians could marry any European but not Jews or Africans.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The link to the Ethiopian war maybe had not been identified when he was writing.

    Would have to look it up, but iirc there were two factors related to the Ethiopian war that led to the race laws, a) reaction to the non-cooperative attitude of Ethiopian elites (apparently contrary to the initial expectations of the Italians), b) concern over sexual relationships between Italian soldiers and African women. So essentially an attempt to mark down the boundaries between rulers and ruled.
    Can’t really remember how and why it was also extended to Italian Jews. But iirc the anti-Jewish legislation got progressively more radical during the war (e. g. by 1943 there were plans to send all Jews to labour camps which may only have been prevented by the coup against Mussolini).

    • Thanks: Coconuts
  753. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    Let me get this, you are saying that the Russians are beasts like the Nazis?

    Everybody knows what you sickos mean when you repeat the Nazi language of "Asiats" or "Eurasians" - don't pretend otherwise.

    Your constant analogies to your suffering US homeland are besides the point - we don't think that way. You imported your African slave population, and now you are importing the rest of the Third World - all for the holy grail of "cheap labor". Then you have to live with the consequences.

    None of it is of much interest to the rest of us - your inability to think through what you are doing and willingness to sacrifice your children's future for the temporary vision of higher profits ("cheaper labor") is your own problem. Don't export it.

    I am pointing to your more immediate racist language that Ukies-Poles are in the habit of using when attacking Russians. It has nothing to do with "America", it is sour grapes by wanna-be "Western" poseurs - you are clearly one of them. The fact that Russians in WW2 saved your family hide - and your cosmic ingratitude for it - only shows your low character.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Let me get this, you are saying that the Russians are beasts like the Nazis?

    Soviets and Nazis were equally beastls in term of their administrations, they just varied in their choice of victims.

    But the regular RusFed soldiers in Ukraine are more beastly than were the regular German soldiers in Ukraine. This is what elderly people who survived both occupations say.

    Your constant analogies to your suffering US homeland

    You are the one who brought racism – an American obsession – into the conversation. Not I.

    I am pointing to your more immediate racist language

    Your time in America is showing again, you give yourself away.

    The fact that Russians in WW2 saved your family hide

    Because you are ignorant you havbe it backwards.

    Poland saved the USSR by denying German requests for a mutual anti-Soviet alliance.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    “Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. ”

    As for my own family – my Galician relatives did fine under Polish, German and post-war Soviet rule (a few were killed by Soviets 1939-1940) my relatives from Soviet Ukraine were murdered by Bolsheviks in the 1930s but no civilians were killed or harmed by Germans. Some in the Soviet army died in battle against them (you as usual lie and call them Russians). So Soviets certainly did not save my family hide.

    Speaking of regular Germans, during the occupation in a small town in central Ukraine a couple of hours from Kiev, my mother’s aunt had a difficult pregnancy with complications. The family begged for help from some German soldiers, who felt sorry for her and took her to a hospital for Germans where they managed to save her life and deliver my mother’s 1st cousin.

    This basic sort of humanity is largely absent from the so-called brothers who were butchering or raping people in Bucha and elsewhere in Ukraine. One mostly hears horrors from those unfortunate to have lived under Russian occupation. The general perception in Ukraine is that – “Russians” (Russian forces heavily include Buryats, Chechens, and other fellow Eurasians) are even worse than German fascists were.

    your low character.

    Someone who lies all the time like you do and comes from generations of lackeys to brutal invaders naturally confuses low and high when it comes to character. One can only consider your statement to be a compliment 🙂

  754. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    Holodomor was before the WW2. It happened as the triumphant Stalinist faction enforced collectivisation of agricultural activities and sold the wheat to the British and Americans to finance the purchase of MIC factories.

    During that time my Rusdian grandmother and her family were also starving in the Penza region along their Mordvinian and Tatar neighbors in the villages nearby. The Khakassian Turks lost near one third of their population to the famine at that time. Do you believe that your ethnic group has a monopoly on suffering?

    BTW, my Ukrainian / Polish Ruthenian side of the family in Eastern Ukraine didn't experience hunger because they had already moved to the towns from the countryside. The famine was also a way to break down the peasantry and enable the forced and accelerated urbanization.

    Also who was at the helm of the Ukrainian SSR at that time? What was the proportion of Russian/Jewish/Ukrainian NKVD officers as compared to the ethnic makeup of the Ukrainian SSR population?

    I suggest you look into it and compare it to the ethnic makeup of today's Ukrainian elites that you hold in such a great esteem.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    Certainly, there were other areas within the Soviet Union that suffered under Stalin and the activities of his ruthless henchmen. Nobody can deny that the Jews had a heavy hand in carrying out his orders, and there were Russians, Latvians and Ukrainians involved too. The plans and actions to destroy Ukraine, however, were orchestrated within the Kremlin in Moscow, then as today. The vanguard nation then was Russia in this world socialist movement, so who are we to blame then? The history and political control of Russia was then and is today in Moscow. You can’t totally wash your hands of these crimes and their associations with Russia in the minds of observers.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack


    The vanguard nation then was Russia in this world socialist movement, so who are we to blame then?
     
    USSR was not Russia. And RusFed is not Russia either, although I can understand that Americans like yourself would think otherwise.

    The Soviets killed Russia that has been weakened by the Romanov's westernizing. Then the Noviop killed Soviet Union. Russia is dead and now Russian people is slowly dying too. If Russia wouldn't have died, there would be no Ukraine. That is why any true Ukrainian hates Russia. Because they know that they are a byproduct of Russia's death.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack

  755. @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Been making a minor study of the Church in Ireland from about 1640-1700, to try to make sense of some genealogical lead. Don't know if anything scientific can be said, due to the lack of records and my superficial reading of the ones I have access to. But what I've found seems surprising to me.

    Many bishops seem to have been closely related to aristocrats, as well as to each other, both across time and space. Noble blood was judged to be an asset in appointments, both for the political connections and for the possibility of a family subsidy. Many bishops lived with their close (aristocratic) relatives, sometimes splitting time between relatives. One Irish college in France only took candidates from a certain province.

    I've seen a remarkable concentration of names among priests and church officers, which suggests that at least a shadow of clans survived directly inside the Church into early penal times.

    All in all, if it can be taken as reflecting the traditional state of the church, then it seems extremely alien to modern conceptions of it.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Coconuts, @German_reader

    I used to have a book about the French bishops under Louis XIV, so around 1660-1715, I sold it a while ago but going from memory it was similar in some respects. I found a summary of the book online:

    ‘Origins’, Bergin stresses, is an imprecise concept, but he nevertheless shows that over half the bishops were born north of the Loire, with a heavy concentration on Paris, and that most were of noble birth. He identifies several trends after 1661. There developed a growing ‘dynasticism’ within the prelacy. Once established in the hierarchy, families acquired other benefices, so that eventually some two-thirds of post-1661 bishops were related to each other or to their pre-1661 predecessors. The key to the crucial first step of securing a see increasingly depended on a family’s service to the crown. Bergin examines the fathers of bishops and discovers that the majority were military men or senior officiers, the crown deploying the ecclesiastical promotion of sons as a reward for service in the secular sphere by fathers (with ‘military’ families being especially favoured from the 1690s when warfare was conducted on a huge scale).

    The difference here is that it seems more centralised in terms of space, but this would fit with the growing centralisation of higher level appointments during Louis XIVs’ reign. The reward for military service aspect is interesting.

    It was a different Catholic church to the one that exists today.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Thanks! That was interesting.

    James II was actually appointing (technically nominating) bishops in Ireland after he lost the Williamite War. I was thinking that there must be some connection to the war - some army officer in the family. Details about the war seem pretty fuzzy, but there is at least one candidate with what strikes me as an interesting story. (Sole survivor of a shipwreck) Remains to be seen whether I can ever locate a full list of his sons, or if one survives.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  756. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Wokechoke

    I know. I wanted Mr Hack to look into it and think about it. He tends to blame the Moskaly/Katsapy, but he conveniently forgets what was the ethnic background of the power structures back then and today. Mr Hack is American and he believes in the American melting pot approach, perhaps that is why he has a hard time seeing that inside the social organization of any country there are diverging interests at play at the ethnic, religious and cultural levels. This is also the case in US, the average American will learn it the hard way one day.

    Replies: @AP

    He tends to blame the Moskaly/Katsapy, but he conveniently forgets what was the ethnic background of the power structures back then and today.

    The problem with Moskali is that they have always been ruled by non-Slavs to a large degree. So rule by Moscow = rule by cruel Georgians, Germans, Jews, Latvians, Tatars, etc. Had Ukraine stayed out of Moscow’s grasp it would have had kinder Slavic rulers. Even the nasty 1930s Polish nationalists were nothing compared to Muscovite overlords.

    Russification has meant that Ukraine now has a similar phenomenon though it remains to be seen how pervasive this is. Before Zelensky, we had an ethnic Ukrainian president Poroshenko who built up the army.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP

    The most recent non-slavic leader in Moscow, was only Stalin, where the judgement is mixed. That is seventy years ago. Stalin was one of the most successful leaders in history, if you exclude morality, when he was one of the worst leaders in world history.

    From late the 18th to beginning of 20th century, the Russian empire always had German family leaders, many like Aleksandr II, Ekaterina II, a lot more competent externally than e.g. Putin today, although eventually there is hereditary decline and family produces a clown who crashed the plane.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Kaganovich was a stand alone Jewish asshole. He even tore down a cathedral in Moscow for scrap gold, after he finished his job in Ukraine starving farmers in a cereal exchange for Albert Kahn designed Ford and GMC factory facilities.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Kahn_(architect)


    Who ruled the USSR again?

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Out of Ukraine's post-independence leaders, only Yanukovych and Zelensky were non-Ukrainian, no? Though if you include PMs, not just Presidents, then Vitold Fokin also counts:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitold_Fokin

    He was a German, IIRC. And Yulia Tymoshenko was apparently part-Baltic and part-Jewish?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulia_Tymoshenko


    Tymoshenko was born Yulia Hrihyan[1][12][13] on 27 November 1960, in Dnipropetrovsk, Ukrainian SSR, Soviet Union.[14] Her mother, Lyudmila Telehina (née Nelepova), was born on 11 August 1937, also in Dnipropetrovsk.[15] Yulia's father, Volodymyr Hrihyan, who according to his Soviet Union passport was Latvian, was born on 3 December 1937, also in Dnipropetrovsk. He abandoned his wife and young daughter when Yulia was between one and three years old; Yulia used her mother's surname.[15][16]

    Yulia's paternal grandfather, Abram Kapitelman (Ukrainian: Абрам Кельманович Капітельман), was born in 1914. After graduating from Dnipropetrovsk State University in 1940, Kapitelman was sent to work in Western Ukraine, where he worked "one academic quarter" as the director of a public Jewish school in the city Sniatyn.[15] Kapitelman was mobilized into the army in the autumn of 1940 and subsequently was killed while taking part in the Great Patriotic War (1941–1945) on 8 November 1944, with the rank of "lieutenant" in Signal corps.[15]
     
    Anyway, this is not about leadership per se, but from a Ukrainian nationalist perspective, one positive outcome of the extraordinarily tragic Holocaust and subsequent mass Jewish emigration from Ukraine is that a much larger percentage of Ukraine's cognitive elite is ethnic Ukrainian than it would have otherwise been. Without the Holocaust and mass Jewish emigration from Ukraine (there were a lot of Holocaust survivors in Ukraine due to mass evacuations of Ukrainian Jews to the Soviet interior in 1941), a much larger percentage of Ukraine's cognitive elite would have been Jewish, which I suspect that Ukrainian nationalists would have strongly disliked, similar to the alt-right for the US.
    , @Ernst101
    @AP

    Disingenuous comment by AP. Poroshenko is a jew.

    This just the usual nefariousness, just on another level - jews sending SS-clad and swastika-tattooed young guys to be torn up. Of course there’s not going to be any mercy. 100s of thousands more are going to get torn up.

    Ukrainians really are the village idiots of Russia.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Well, we both know that by the end of the Soviet Union, the Moscow nomenklatura was in great part made of southern Russian and Ukrainian clans. Especially the clan of Dneprpetrovsk, to which belonged Brezhnev.

    We also both know that the Ukrainian SSR had its own Communist Party:


    Коммунисти́ческая па́ртия Украи́ны (КПУ) (укр. Комуністи́чна па́ртія Украї́ни), до 1952 года Коммунисти́ческая па́ртия (большевико́в) Украи́ны (КП(б)У) (укр. Комуністи́чна па́ртія (більшовиків) Украї́ни) — украинская политическая партия. Существовала с 3—5 декабря 1917 года по 30 августа 1991 года. Была одной из крупнейших партийных организаций Коммунистической партии Советского Союза и правящей партией в Украинской Советской Социалистической Республике. При ЦК КП Украины действовали Институт проблем социализма и Партийная школа
     
    That it also had its own autonomous KGB:

    Комите́т госуда́рственной безопа́сности Украинской ССР (КГБ Украинской ССР, укр. Комітет державної безпеки Української РСР) — центральный республиканский орган государственного управления Украинской ССР. В сфере обеспечения государственной безопасности, действовавший с 1954 по 1991 год.
     
    That it was represented in the United Nations :

    4 февраля 1945 года открылся саммит в Ялте. 6 февраля нарком иностранных дел СССР Вячеслав Молотов внёс опережающее предложение о принятии в ООН отдельно от СССР всего трёх его союзных республик – Украины, Белоруссии и Литвы. Это было мотивировано со стороны СССР, по воспоминаниям Черчилля, тем, что эти республики «понесли большие жертвы в войне, первыми подверглись нападению и сильно пострадали». Причём сразу было оговорено, что СССР согласен и на отдельное принятие в ООН только двух советских республик. Тем самым практически сразу круг кандидатов на самостоятельное вхождение в ООН из состава СССР был очерчен только Украиной и Белоруссией.
     
    While, Russian Federation SSR had no Russian Rebuplican Communist Party, instead having the Soviet Union Communist Party, it had no Russian Republic KGB, but had the Union KGB and of course was not represented in the UN, instead being represented as one among many Soviet Socialist Republics by the USSR delegation.

    When the time came to create the FSB in post-Soviet time, its first director was the former head of the Ukrainian SSR KGB.

    So yeah, the Moskaly have often in their history been ruled by foreign elites, among which the Ukrainians had their share of power (Potyomkin, Rozumovskyi), and before them it were people who originally came from the PLC. Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.

    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol. What came after was gradually deprived of its Russian spirit until today it reached such a level of self alienation that people such as Putin, Shoigu, Kadyrov and Prigozhin are the public faces of the RusFed and its muscle too.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

  757. @German_reader
    @Wokechoke


    The thing that makes Breivik especially odd from a conspiracy POV was the direct appeal to the EDL, Tommy Robinson & Pamela Geller in his manifesto.
     
    I think he later admitted that the posing as a crusader was intentional misdirection (don't remember the exact logic behind it, maybe he wanted to damage the so-called counter-jihad movement?). His real views were more of a hardcore Nordic ethnonationalist or even Neo-Nazi kind.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Apparently. His focus on blowing out the youth of Labour is unusual for the boobs who normally go berzerk like Dylan Roof, where he killed some harmless black grandmas.

  758. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Been making a minor study of the Church in Ireland from about 1640-1700, to try to make sense of some genealogical lead. Don't know if anything scientific can be said, due to the lack of records and my superficial reading of the ones I have access to. But what I've found seems surprising to me.

    Many bishops seem to have been closely related to aristocrats, as well as to each other, both across time and space. Noble blood was judged to be an asset in appointments, both for the political connections and for the possibility of a family subsidy. Many bishops lived with their close (aristocratic) relatives, sometimes splitting time between relatives. One Irish college in France only took candidates from a certain province.

    I've seen a remarkable concentration of names among priests and church officers, which suggests that at least a shadow of clans survived directly inside the Church into early penal times.

    All in all, if it can be taken as reflecting the traditional state of the church, then it seems extremely alien to modern conceptions of it.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Coconuts, @German_reader

    Many bishops seem to have been closely related to aristocrats, as well as to each other, both across time and space.

    I don’t think that’s surprising. In medieval and early modern Germany there were sometimes almost dynasties of bishops in certain sees, e. g. a nephew succeeding his uncle. This wasn’t always necessarily to the detriment of the church btw, a bishop had to take care not only of pastoral care after all, but also had to be able to defend the temporal property of his church, so being connected to leading aristocratic families and their networks could be useful.

    I’ve seen a remarkable concentration of names among priests and church officers, which suggests that at least a shadow of clans survived directly inside the Church into early penal times.

    Sounds very interesting, could be rewarding material for a prosopographical study, to see how family relationships worked in that context.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    I don’t think that’s surprising. In medieval and early modern Germany there were sometimes almost dynasties of bishops in certain sees

     

    I envy you, you could probably connect to some of that genealogically.

    I was recently reading about a previous bishop that had dug up the corpses of heretics from the cathedral in 1641 or thereabouts, and I recognized the name of one of his officers, and thought, wouldn't that be neat if he was the uncle of one of my ancestors? But I don't think he is on any surviving pedigree, though he was said to be of noble blood and the bishop himself descended maternally from a former chief of the same clan.

    One bishop in penal times, who was not aristocratic is noted to have died in prison. Speaking of church property, one of my very distant Norman ancestors was made to swear some oath that he would not lay his hands on the local priest. Later family tradition, possibly apocryphical has it that one of his successors made all his heroic oaths by invoking the name of the same church.

    prosopographical
     
    You won't believe me, but I think I encountered that word for the first time only a few days ago, and I had thought that there should be some 'word of the day' on this thread, and it would be a real challenge to get someone to use that word in a sentence. But congratulations, you have managed to do so, without looking it up!

    Replies: @German_reader

  759. @Yevardian
    @Dmitry

    The Cranes Are Flying is of course a widely loved classic. I would also highly recommend I Am Twenty, it even has a brief cameo of a young Tarkovsky as a young drunken oaf.

    Incidentally, a friend of mine's late father personally knew Tarkovsky quite well, and she correspondingly has inherited an extremely low opinion of Tarkovsky's private personality.
    But obviously great artists needn't be good people.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Yes, Tarkovsky was obviously a bad person, in terms of spiritually. He killed a real horse to produce the film “Andrei Rublev”. But he was a talented and innovative kind of visual artist of the Soviet culture.

    In terms of the attainments of the Soviet art. The most important art attainments of the Soviet culture was music, especially music performance.

    But even popular culture, film, architecture was flooded with talented people. Just after Eisenstein, it didn’t go as well as American, Italian and Japanese cinema.

    Possibly, postwar West German cinema, Swedish cinema was in a similar level. Polish and Czech cinema was also possibly very good.

    In Lodz, there was a very successful film school. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81%C3%B3d%C5%BA_Film_School

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Dmitry


    In terms of the attainments of the Soviet art. The most important art attainments of the Soviet culture was music, especially music performance.

    But even popular culture, film, architecture was flooded with talented people. Just after Eisenstein, it didn’t go as well as American, Italian and Japanese cinema.
     
    This, and the strong promotion of high-culture generally, was one aspect that my relatives always looked back on nostalgically when remembering the USSR, though their opinions were complicated.

    Its not quite fair to expect any country to out-compete the Americans in cinema, but I do think the Soviet film industry definitely outlasted Italy's, in terms of continuing to produce high-quality movies until the whole Communist project fell apart, whilst Italy's film industry largely died off by the 70s.
    And for the more 'popular' works, I have to admit I can't stand most Italian comedies and melodramas, whilst their thrillers (giallo) were usually little more than cheap smut and exploitation (I know Dario Argento has his cult following, but I'm not a fan).

    One curious thing about Soviet cultural products, is the curious sense of 'wholesemness' the lasted into the late 70's, that reminds one of the atmosphere of the American 50's, even as everyday life in the late USSR began stagnating into grubbiness and tedium.

    Possibly, postwar West German cinema, Swedish cinema was in a similar level. Polish and Czech cinema was also possibly very good.
     
    I don't really know Swedish cinema outside of Bergman's works, although by his copious output alone it belongs in the national top 5.

    The two Communist-era Czech films I've seen, Cremator and Closely Watched Trains, were excellent.



    Did you ever interact with the former commenter "Glossy" much? For him as well, this, quality education, and a sense of public order (and his youth) seem to be the things that contribute to his extremely rosy memory of the USSR.
    Anyway, his assessment of Karlin as being the worst sort of unmoored, deracinated, mentally unstable либераст turned out to be completely accurate.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry

  760. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @Gerard1234


    As a Civil Engineer...
     
    you didn't want to be a real engineer?

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @AP, @A123

    I do not understand why people bad mouth Civil Engineers.

    If you build something and the pad is strong enough your equipment is out of alignment or broken. If they do jot get the fire containment right… Very bad. If they don’t get the hurricane and flood protection right, you are catastrophically boned. Site preparation is vital, and much of that is done by Civil.

    Have you met Marketing majors? How about HR graduates? I much prefer the CE’s.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
    @A123


    pad is strong enough
     
    Sigh.. That should read "pad is NOT strong enough"

    do jot get
     
    "do not get"

    There needs to be a longer edit window.

    PEACE 😇
  761. @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    right wing liberals vs. centrist liberals
     
    Because to enter mainstream in America politics, it still has to be compatible to constitution, separation of powers and bourgeois capitalism. They can't import dictatorship of the proletariat or fascism.

    Even if you read the policies of "The Squad" or Bernie Sanders, it would just convert American policies to be more similar to Europe i.e. universal health care, progressive taxation and government investment in poorer areas

    More extreme American liberals import also less compatible ideas from Europe, they are usually isolated in the university or only influence the margin of the real politics.

    So, if the extreme liberals in the American university talking about "violence against black bodies", this the theory of Foucault.

    But the actually influence to Democrats of Black Lives Matter, will be using welfare state and higher taxation, to create the economic equality for races, which is using European level of welfare state to complete 19th century liberal Lincoln writes in "Gettysburg Address".

    Replies: @Coconuts

    More extreme American liberals import also less compatible ideas from Europe, they are usually isolated in the university or only influence the margin of the real politics.

    So, if the extreme liberals in the American university talking about “violence against black bodies”, this the theory of Foucault.

    I think some of this does involve original contributions by American academics, they created Intersectionality, a way of making the work of Foucault and some of these other European influences into something politically viable, even if it is mainly on university campuses and in bureaucracies at present.

    It is now being re-exported to France, they are coming to grips with le Wokeisme in their universities at the moment. It poses some challenges for older academics who are still supporters of Republican universalism.

    But the actually influence to Democrats of Black Lives Matter, will be using welfare state and higher taxation, to create the economic equality for races…

    It will be interesting to see whether they manage to achieve this and if it makes BLM and the race stuff subside, or whether multiculturalism will strengthen and ‘ethno-politics’ will become a new norm.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    involve original contributions
     
    Very small "contributions" or modifications, so you can't even see those American writers in a normal book shop, just all the European writers.

    In terms of the transfer of the ideas, except in technical areas where America is leader, they import the ideas from Europe.

    I guess it's similar to relation of Greece and Rome. So, even many years after loss of Greece as an important power, the important ideas of the classical world are almost imported from Greece, until rise of Christianity in the region in 3rd/4th century.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  762. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    He tends to blame the Moskaly/Katsapy, but he conveniently forgets what was the ethnic background of the power structures back then and today.
     
    The problem with Moskali is that they have always been ruled by non-Slavs to a large degree. So rule by Moscow = rule by cruel Georgians, Germans, Jews, Latvians, Tatars, etc. Had Ukraine stayed out of Moscow's grasp it would have had kinder Slavic rulers. Even the nasty 1930s Polish nationalists were nothing compared to Muscovite overlords.

    Russification has meant that Ukraine now has a similar phenomenon though it remains to be seen how pervasive this is. Before Zelensky, we had an ethnic Ukrainian president Poroshenko who built up the army.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ, @Ernst101, @Ivashka the fool

    The most recent non-slavic leader in Moscow, was only Stalin, where the judgement is mixed. That is seventy years ago. Stalin was one of the most successful leaders in history, if you exclude morality, when he was one of the worst leaders in world history.

    From late the 18th to beginning of 20th century, the Russian empire always had German family leaders, many like Aleksandr II, Ekaterina II, a lot more competent externally than e.g. Putin today, although eventually there is hereditary decline and family produces a clown who crashed the plane.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry


    The most recent non-slavic leader in Moscow, was only Stalin, where the judgement is mixed.
     
    Andropov was half Jewish. His Russian father died when he was 5 and he was raised by is Jewish mother.

    The period after Stalin was one of the few times in Russian history when Russians were mostly in positions of leadership.

    Of course, look beyond the leader himself and see the others. Russia's PM is Jewish, Foreign Minister Lavrov is Armenian, Defense Minister Shoigu is Tuvan. And the Chechen Kadyrov has a special role who is above many Russians.

    Stalin was one of the most successful leaders in history,
     
    Before the war he killed or starved to death millions of Soviet people. During the war, he lost 27 million Soviet citizens and allowed his huge empire to almost be conquered by much-smaller Germany that was busy occupying most of Europe while fighting on a second front.

    Stalin was the greatest gift to Russia's Anglo enemies.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Gerard1234

  763. @A123
    @Greasy William

    I do not understand why people bad mouth Civil Engineers.

    If you build something and the pad is strong enough your equipment is out of alignment or broken. If they do jot get the fire containment right... Very bad. If they don't get the hurricane and flood protection right, you are catastrophically boned. Site preparation is vital, and much of that is done by Civil.

    Have you met Marketing majors? How about HR graduates? I much prefer the CE's.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123

    pad is strong enough

    Sigh.. That should read “pad is NOT strong enough”

    do jot get

    “do not get”

    There needs to be a longer edit window.

    PEACE 😇

  764. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    He tends to blame the Moskaly/Katsapy, but he conveniently forgets what was the ethnic background of the power structures back then and today.
     
    The problem with Moskali is that they have always been ruled by non-Slavs to a large degree. So rule by Moscow = rule by cruel Georgians, Germans, Jews, Latvians, Tatars, etc. Had Ukraine stayed out of Moscow's grasp it would have had kinder Slavic rulers. Even the nasty 1930s Polish nationalists were nothing compared to Muscovite overlords.

    Russification has meant that Ukraine now has a similar phenomenon though it remains to be seen how pervasive this is. Before Zelensky, we had an ethnic Ukrainian president Poroshenko who built up the army.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ, @Ernst101, @Ivashka the fool

    Kaganovich was a stand alone Jewish asshole. He even tore down a cathedral in Moscow for scrap gold, after he finished his job in Ukraine starving farmers in a cereal exchange for Albert Kahn designed Ford and GMC factory facilities.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Kahn_(architect)

    Who ruled the USSR again?

  765. @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Russia wasn't a modern European nation state when it was killing its own dissidents abroad. Unless you believe that it wasn't really Russia who was doing this. But Yeah, generally speaking, modern European nation states don't engage in that kind of behavior. Even the partly Europeanized Tsarist Russia did not engage in that kind of behavior, a bit regretfully, in fact, because Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin would have certainly deserved such a fate (but most other Tsarist-era Russian emigre dissidents probably would not have).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    That’s not true. “Okhrana” obviously was involved in assassinations, although it’s a time of not very clear information.

    I would agree, there is a difference of Russia to slave colonies like Brazil and Antebellum Southern States of USA. As, Brazil and Southern states of USA were slave colonies in similar way that were even more brutal sometimes to the slaves, but they don’t have this history as such internally unstable police state.

    The history in Russia has been like hybrid of American style slave colony and unstable police state, when assassinations and prisoner camps have been old traditions to allow any times of equilibrium.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Which assassinations abroad was Okhrana involved in?

    Replies: @Dmitry

  766. @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    That's not true. "Okhrana" obviously was involved in assassinations, although it's a time of not very clear information.

    I would agree, there is a difference of Russia to slave colonies like Brazil and Antebellum Southern States of USA. As, Brazil and Southern states of USA were slave colonies in similar way that were even more brutal sometimes to the slaves, but they don't have this history as such internally unstable police state.

    The history in Russia has been like hybrid of American style slave colony and unstable police state, when assassinations and prisoner camps have been old traditions to allow any times of equilibrium.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Which assassinations abroad was Okhrana involved in?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    For example, probably Seliverstov.*

    By the way, roots of a lot of Soviet attainments, if positive or negative, were already in the earlier epoch.

    In terms of technology of foreign surveillance, Russian empire was already a leader before the revolution. As result of the investment in surveillance technology, in terms of history of cryptography, Russia one of the most important innovators in the 19th century, more advanced than many European countries.

    -

    * https://syg.ma/@panddr/po-tu-storonu-barrikad-politsieiskiie-mietody-borby-s-rievoliutsiiei-v-1905-ghodu

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  767. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    He tends to blame the Moskaly/Katsapy, but he conveniently forgets what was the ethnic background of the power structures back then and today.
     
    The problem with Moskali is that they have always been ruled by non-Slavs to a large degree. So rule by Moscow = rule by cruel Georgians, Germans, Jews, Latvians, Tatars, etc. Had Ukraine stayed out of Moscow's grasp it would have had kinder Slavic rulers. Even the nasty 1930s Polish nationalists were nothing compared to Muscovite overlords.

    Russification has meant that Ukraine now has a similar phenomenon though it remains to be seen how pervasive this is. Before Zelensky, we had an ethnic Ukrainian president Poroshenko who built up the army.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ, @Ernst101, @Ivashka the fool

    Out of Ukraine’s post-independence leaders, only Yanukovych and Zelensky were non-Ukrainian, no? Though if you include PMs, not just Presidents, then Vitold Fokin also counts:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitold_Fokin

    He was a German, IIRC. And Yulia Tymoshenko was apparently part-Baltic and part-Jewish?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulia_Tymoshenko

    Tymoshenko was born Yulia Hrihyan[1][12][13] on 27 November 1960, in Dnipropetrovsk, Ukrainian SSR, Soviet Union.[14] Her mother, Lyudmila Telehina (née Nelepova), was born on 11 August 1937, also in Dnipropetrovsk.[15] Yulia’s father, Volodymyr Hrihyan, who according to his Soviet Union passport was Latvian, was born on 3 December 1937, also in Dnipropetrovsk. He abandoned his wife and young daughter when Yulia was between one and three years old; Yulia used her mother’s surname.[15][16]

    Yulia’s paternal grandfather, Abram Kapitelman (Ukrainian: Абрам Кельманович Капітельман), was born in 1914. After graduating from Dnipropetrovsk State University in 1940, Kapitelman was sent to work in Western Ukraine, where he worked “one academic quarter” as the director of a public Jewish school in the city Sniatyn.[15] Kapitelman was mobilized into the army in the autumn of 1940 and subsequently was killed while taking part in the Great Patriotic War (1941–1945) on 8 November 1944, with the rank of “lieutenant” in Signal corps.[15]

    Anyway, this is not about leadership per se, but from a Ukrainian nationalist perspective, one positive outcome of the extraordinarily tragic Holocaust and subsequent mass Jewish emigration from Ukraine is that a much larger percentage of Ukraine’s cognitive elite is ethnic Ukrainian than it would have otherwise been. Without the Holocaust and mass Jewish emigration from Ukraine (there were a lot of Holocaust survivors in Ukraine due to mass evacuations of Ukrainian Jews to the Soviet interior in 1941), a much larger percentage of Ukraine’s cognitive elite would have been Jewish, which I suspect that Ukrainian nationalists would have strongly disliked, similar to the alt-right for the US.

  768. @songbird
    @silviosilver

    IMO, Twin Peaks did have a few moments of genius, (am a particular fan of the 'Log Lady', which I consider a pronatalist message), but overall I would definitely call it a mess.

    Recently, I've been watching the old TV miniseries 'The Shogun.' It's not high-brow and I am not very far into it, but I'm enjoying it so far. It almost seems antiwoke in its depiction of Japan as a very alien society. Read one of the books a long time ago. Seems a curious contrast to Roots (which I have never seen, but the success of which helped spawn the Shogun adaptation). And it seems interesting to try to put it into an historical context. (Linked more to WW2 or the economic rise of Japan, like in Rising Sun?)

    Wonder if A123's prediction of Disney selling Licasfilm will come true or not.

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver

    Recently, I’ve been watching the old TV miniseries ‘The Shogun.’ It’s not high-brow and I am not very far into it, but I’m enjoying it so far.

    It’s a personal favorite, watched it quite a few times. Also read the novel a few times.

    The novel is more complex – especially the alliances and Toranaga’s political manoeuvring, which the film greatly simplifies – and also more brutal. Eg you’re probably already past the scene near the start when Blackthorn is on the beach and everybody is bowing to Omi, except for one stubborn Jap fisherman and Omi slices his head off. In the novel, Omi chops the body into pieces. Small details like that are more brutal in the novel, and really accentuate Blackthorn’s mixed feelings of admiration and revulsion at Jap society.

    The only part of the novel that let me down was the treatment of language differences. In the novel, Blackthorn speaks flawless Portuguese and Spanish, which he supposedly he picked up as a sailor, and converses in Latin with Mariko. He’s thus able to pass himself of as Spanish to a Spanish Dominican friar who feeds him valuable information about the activities of the Jesuits and the Portuguese. In contrast, Father Alvito claims he still gets Japanese wrong despite having been instructed in it since he was a child. Not exactly realistic. (The film solves all this by having all the Europeans speak English, which is nice for the viewer, but detracts from the film’s realism – eg the way it leaves most of the Japanese speech untranslated, so that the viewer is as much in the dark as Blackthorn.)

    • Replies: @songbird
    @silviosilver


    eg the way it leaves most of the Japanese speech untranslated, so that the viewer is as much in the dark as Blackthorn.)
     
    They must have set some sort of record for lack of subtitles, and it was a good decision. Seems remarkably ambitious that it was filmed in Japan - though, at one point so far, I was thinking of a scene, is this shot inside a quarry in Japan? Though maybe not. I understand that the Shaw Brothers in HK carved the top off a mountain to get room to build their studio there.
  769. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    Not sure what your point is in changing the topic to Breivik. Unless there's some kind of WN revolution in Norway, he will in all likelihood never be released.
    I don't think he's mentally ill btw, just someone who was led by his Nordicist views to a pretty extreme, but logical conclusion. Personal frustration may have played a role, but someone who committed such a complex act of terror must have had intact reasoning faculties.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    It wasn’t really a logical conclusion in an effective sense of the word since in his case what he did simply repulsed most people, including most people who would have otherwise been sympathetic towards his views. It’s similar to what Yigal Amir did in Israel; killing Rabin was counterproductive in the sense that it almost cost the right its victory in the 1996 Israeli elections (huge sympathy boost for the left, which of course subsequently in large part subsided due to the left’s incompetent response to Palestinian terrorism back then).

    It’s similar to why pro-lifers bombing and/or murdering abortion doctors is counterproductive. It simply repulses people, including most pro-lifers themselves.

    Terrorism only makes sense (ignoring/excluding morality) if it actually has a realistic chance of achieving one’s goals, as with the Algerian FLN during their war of independence.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    It’s similar to why pro-lifers bombing and/or murdering abortion doctors is counterproductive.
     
    But if you killed enough of them, doctors might eventually think twice before offering such services.
    Breivik's reasoning probably was similar. I think he hoped to inspire others to commit similar attacks, so left-wingers (especially future cadres) would have to live in constant fear and adjust their behaviour accordingly. imo there's no reason why something like this couldn't work in principle. Just look at what radical Muslims have essentially achieved in Western Europe. There's undoubtedly a lot of self-censorship going on when discussing Islam, because you don't really want to end up like Theo van Gogh, Samuel Paty, the Charlie Hebdo writers or other critics of Islam who had to go into hiding or are forced to live under police protection. Nor did these acts really cause all that much soul-searching or self-questioning in the wider Islamic community, instead some of their organizations have used such occasions to call for blasphemy laws.
    Of course the conditions for such an approach by nationalists in Western Europe don't exist, not least because contrary to what the media tells you, most of them are law-abiding, non-violent and have moral scruples. But who knows what might happen in the coming decades.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  770. @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    More extreme American liberals import also less compatible ideas from Europe, they are usually isolated in the university or only influence the margin of the real politics.

    So, if the extreme liberals in the American university talking about “violence against black bodies”, this the theory of Foucault.
     

    I think some of this does involve original contributions by American academics, they created Intersectionality, a way of making the work of Foucault and some of these other European influences into something politically viable, even if it is mainly on university campuses and in bureaucracies at present.

    It is now being re-exported to France, they are coming to grips with le Wokeisme in their universities at the moment. It poses some challenges for older academics who are still supporters of Republican universalism.


    But the actually influence to Democrats of Black Lives Matter, will be using welfare state and higher taxation, to create the economic equality for races...
     
    It will be interesting to see whether they manage to achieve this and if it makes BLM and the race stuff subside, or whether multiculturalism will strengthen and 'ethno-politics' will become a new norm.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    involve original contributions

    Very small “contributions” or modifications, so you can’t even see those American writers in a normal book shop, just all the European writers.

    In terms of the transfer of the ideas, except in technical areas where America is leader, they import the ideas from Europe.

    I guess it’s similar to relation of Greece and Rome. So, even many years after loss of Greece as an important power, the important ideas of the classical world are almost imported from Greece, until rise of Christianity in the region in 3rd/4th century.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    Very small “contributions” or modifications, so you can’t even see those American writers in a normal book shop, just all the European writers.
     
    You do see plenty of copies of 'White Fragility', Judith Butler and bell hooks books in bookshops. Not sure how sales compare to Deleuze, Lacan and Foucault, but suspect Butler is set reading on more university courses at the moment and DiAngelo and other people like X Kendi are more mass market but modish.

    Some French academics set up their own version of Heterodox Academy to monitor the spread of 'Anglo-Saxon communitarianism':

    https://decolonialisme.fr/


    In terms of the transfer of the ideas, except in technical areas where America is leader, they import the ideas from Europe.
     
    I remember reading somewhere that Hegel believed that perhaps America was the future and would be capable of taking Spirit to a higher level than Prussia or any other European countries could, can't remember where I saw it though.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  771. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    He tends to blame the Moskaly/Katsapy, but he conveniently forgets what was the ethnic background of the power structures back then and today.
     
    The problem with Moskali is that they have always been ruled by non-Slavs to a large degree. So rule by Moscow = rule by cruel Georgians, Germans, Jews, Latvians, Tatars, etc. Had Ukraine stayed out of Moscow's grasp it would have had kinder Slavic rulers. Even the nasty 1930s Polish nationalists were nothing compared to Muscovite overlords.

    Russification has meant that Ukraine now has a similar phenomenon though it remains to be seen how pervasive this is. Before Zelensky, we had an ethnic Ukrainian president Poroshenko who built up the army.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ, @Ernst101, @Ivashka the fool

    Disingenuous comment by AP. Poroshenko is a jew.

    This just the usual nefariousness, just on another level – jews sending SS-clad and swastika-tattooed young guys to be torn up. Of course there’s not going to be any mercy. 100s of thousands more are going to get torn up.

    Ukrainians really are the village idiots of Russia.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ernst101


    Disingenuous comment by AP. Poroshenko is a jew.
     
    No, you are a victim of some funny Russian trolling.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/ukraine-2/#comment-5155830

    “Poroshenko is not suspected Jew. To the extent of such claims, it was some trolling from the first channel. Federal media in Russia is philosemitic, while at the same time there can be clever hints of antisemitic connotations such as claiming the secret name of Poroshenko is “Valtzman”.

    From the names in his family, at least there is no indication of this.”

    More here:

    https://www.quora.com/What-evidence-is-there-for-the-claim-that-Poroshenkos-father-had-the-surname-Valtsman

    They were Poroshenkos going back generations.

    Here is Petro Poroshenko’s father, Alexei:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE,_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    Alexei was the son of Ivan Yevdokimovich Poroshenko.

    Alexei was born in the village of Safyani, which according to the 1930 census had 1271 Ukrainians (49.65%), 1250 Russians (primarily – Old Believers-Lipovans) (48.83%), 24 Romanians and 12 Bulgarians.

    No Jews lived in this village.

    Petro Poroshenko is an Orthodox Christian of Ukrainian ethnicity who has been married for about 30 years and has 4 kids.

    This just the usual nefariousness, just on another level – jews sending SS-clad and swastika-tattooed young guys to be torn up
     
    Did the same source that taught you that Poroshenko was a Jew teach you this also?

    Ukrainians defend their lands from the Russian invaders.

    Would you defend your lands if someone attacked your country? I doubt it. You probably allowed wherever you live to be flooded with outsiders, after all. You would come up with an excuse, while insulting those better than you.
  772. @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Which assassinations abroad was Okhrana involved in?

    Replies: @Dmitry

    For example, probably Seliverstov.*

    By the way, roots of a lot of Soviet attainments, if positive or negative, were already in the earlier epoch.

    In terms of technology of foreign surveillance, Russian empire was already a leader before the revolution. As result of the investment in surveillance technology, in terms of history of cryptography, Russia one of the most important innovators in the 19th century, more advanced than many European countries.

    * https://syg.ma/@panddr/po-tu-storonu-barrikad-politsieiskiie-mietody-borby-s-rievoliutsiiei-v-1905-ghodu

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Says here that Selivertsov was killed by a Polish socialist:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B9_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    Will look at your link here later.

  773. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Certainly, there were other areas within the Soviet Union that suffered under Stalin and the activities of his ruthless henchmen. Nobody can deny that the Jews had a heavy hand in carrying out his orders, and there were Russians, Latvians and Ukrainians involved too. The plans and actions to destroy Ukraine, however, were orchestrated within the Kremlin in Moscow, then as today. The vanguard nation then was Russia in this world socialist movement, so who are we to blame then? The history and political control of Russia was then and is today in Moscow. You can't totally wash your hands of these crimes and their associations with Russia in the minds of observers.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The vanguard nation then was Russia in this world socialist movement, so who are we to blame then?

    USSR was not Russia. And RusFed is not Russia either, although I can understand that Americans like yourself would think otherwise.

    The Soviets killed Russia that has been weakened by the Romanov’s westernizing. Then the Noviop killed Soviet Union. Russia is dead and now Russian people is slowly dying too. If Russia wouldn’t have died, there would be no Ukraine. That is why any true Ukrainian hates Russia. Because they know that they are a byproduct of Russia’s death.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Ivashka the fool


    The Soviets killed Russia that has been weakened by the Romanov’s westernizing.
     
    Without someone like Peter the Great extenensive borrowing of technology and administrative structures from the (then) most advanced part of the world, it's quite possible Russia could have suffered the fate of the rest of Eastern Europe.

    Russia was on the military backfoot against the Swedes, Ottomans and even Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for quite some time.


    If Russia wouldn’t have died, there would be no Ukraine. That is why any true Ukrainian hates Russia. Because they know that they are a byproduct of Russia’s death.
     
    I suppose there is something to this argument, in the sense that an independent Wales or Scotland would find it very difficult to justify their existence and foster a truly separate culture without resorting to overwhelming anti-English resentment and extensive distortion of their own history.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    USSR was not Russia. And RusFed is not Russia either, although I can understand that Americans like yourself would think otherwise.
     
    Look Ivashka, I can understand your aversion towards the Soviet Union and even of todays RusFed, but there come a time when you have to face the facts. Russia was the most important republic within the Soviet Union, and all important and crucial decisions were made in Moscow, even for the other constituent republics. Russification of all the republics, especially in Ukraine and Belarus, was very often a prime objective. RusFed is even the legal successor state of the Soviet Union. I know how you feel, feeling the same disgust as you do for the time period when Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union. This is a dark and gloomy period of Ukrainian history that many Ukrainians took part in, and I wish that it had never occured. But you can't just pretend that it wasn't a part and parcel of Ukrainian history.
  774. @Mikel
    @LondonBob

    The Russians seem to be holding quite well this first couple of days of the offensive. Even Prigozhin has congratulated the units who have repulsed the Ukrainian columns full of Western armor. Though these frontal attacks in columns have been quite catastrophic for both sides in this war, not sure what the Ukrainians were hoping to achieve. In any case, the first stages of the Kherson counteroffensive were also a bloodbath for the Ukrainians but they just kept pushing and eventually managed to overrun the Russian defenses at multiple points.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    Both of the militaries don’t have very working air force (although this will probably change in 2024-25).

    Both sides have tanks, both sides also have anti-tank weapons to equalize the movement of tanks.

    It’s like second year of the Iran-Iraq war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#1981:_Stalemate

    “Wagner” using “human wave” attacks of prisoners. But unlike in Iran-Iraq war, there won’t be so many of those, as demographics of the countries are not exactly like 1980s Iran.

    There were already in this war also similar actions as the “War of the cities” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Cities

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Dmitry

    Ukraine has very little airpower but the Russian air force has been effective in the limited, but still important, role that it is deployed in.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Sean
    @Dmitry


    Both of the militaries don’t have very working air force
     
    Agree, and I'd push that further inasmuch there are grave doubts among Western airforces with access to what is really happening in Ukraine about whether continuing to operate in such an effective manpads and long range AA misiles heavy environment is as the Ukraine battlefield is a thing of the past. The Russians have been taught that Stingers , of which the Ukrainian army are lavishly equipped with makes ground attack a perilous undertaking. Withal, the drones of various types take away so many of the functions of airpower and are so much more repackable than a modern jet fighter bomber.

    Both sides have tanks, both sides also have anti-tank weapons to equalize the movement of tanks.
     
    Tank versus tank contests are virtually non existent in Ukraine now. There was an incident the other day when a single Russian tank was advancing towards a Ukrainian one and got destroyed by an AT missile from a Ukrainian infantry team in some tree cover. The main problem for tank (and infantry) advancing is not AT missiles or even omnipresent drones zeroing in artillery on formed up squadrons units, it is mines. The Russian armoured and motorised infantry casualties during their failed assaults' Vuhleda were mines, and the repeated attacks by Russian columns along the same axis of advance was prolly not failure to realise they could be re laid by artillery as Western media suggested but rather a somewhat misplaced use of a sound although very brutal tactic. The disposable component of the Wagner infantry assault groups in Bakhmut were used along the same route over and over again partly because the Ukrainians had time not only to fortify but mainly them laying lots of minefields. There are no videos from the battle of bakhmut of Russians in a attacking wave being mown down but there are of bodies lying en mass as they had accumulated in a minefield.


    The recent operations by Ukraine are extremely costly (10% of their Bradleys lost in one day), but soaking up firepower and clearing mines by using second rate units like tissue paper is the only way. to mount any kind of effort without liquidating their first class formations. Ukraine ignored advice to follow up the Kharkov success ASAP with whatever was available and as a result they now have lost momentum , surprise as to time and place, and enemy psychological dislocation. Kiev's forces are much better equipped, but waiting for the training and arms was a fatal error.
  775. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    We were discussing the foolish and terroristic acts of a lone boy in Norway...the 25% whites that were killed along with Afghanis and other darker skinned ethnics. Get your bearings on straighter, save your pre-canned spiel for another time (we've heard it all before, try something new and more original).

    Replies: @Beckow

    No, you brought up the “collateral damage“…own up to it.

    When caught in an inconsistency you always run away. You don’t decide what is and what isn’t allowed in our discussions…either behave rationally or accept that we see you as a simpleton with an emotional attachment to your Ukie side but incapable of actual rational discussion.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Sure, I brought up "collateral damage" in relation to the whites that were mauled down by gunfire by a deranged teenager in Norway. You're the one who tries to twist and turn every discussion into how the Ukrainian position is the wrong one and are unable to discuss or see anything else.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  776. AP says:
    @Dmitry
    @AP

    The most recent non-slavic leader in Moscow, was only Stalin, where the judgement is mixed. That is seventy years ago. Stalin was one of the most successful leaders in history, if you exclude morality, when he was one of the worst leaders in world history.

    From late the 18th to beginning of 20th century, the Russian empire always had German family leaders, many like Aleksandr II, Ekaterina II, a lot more competent externally than e.g. Putin today, although eventually there is hereditary decline and family produces a clown who crashed the plane.

    Replies: @AP

    The most recent non-slavic leader in Moscow, was only Stalin, where the judgement is mixed.

    Andropov was half Jewish. His Russian father died when he was 5 and he was raised by is Jewish mother.

    The period after Stalin was one of the few times in Russian history when Russians were mostly in positions of leadership.

    Of course, look beyond the leader himself and see the others. Russia’s PM is Jewish, Foreign Minister Lavrov is Armenian, Defense Minister Shoigu is Tuvan. And the Chechen Kadyrov has a special role who is above many Russians.

    Stalin was one of the most successful leaders in history,

    Before the war he killed or starved to death millions of Soviet people. During the war, he lost 27 million Soviet citizens and allowed his huge empire to almost be conquered by much-smaller Germany that was busy occupying most of Europe while fighting on a second front.

    Stalin was the greatest gift to Russia’s Anglo enemies.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP


    eader himself and see the others
     
    Lavrov doesn't have power. Shoigu not really. And Kadyrov is a protector created by the compromise of Chechen war.

    It is autocracy system, in sense Putin is making the decisions. Except Putin, the important people for security decisions are from KGB or Leningrad origin and they are not Armenians. Patrushev, Naryshkin, Bortnikov etc. I guess the outsider would be Gerasimov, as from the army.

    In terms of the business class, it's much more multinational, but Putin stopped prioritizing business class about decade ago.

    Andropov was half Jewish
     
    So, in one year (1983), Soviet Union had a Russian leader that had a mother, who was orphan with Jewish adopted parents, which he didn't say to anyone publicly.

    Stalin

     

    Stalin begins with the most undeveloped country, ends with world's most powerful land army, superpower controls half of Europe and has succeeded any impossible dreams of the Russian empire like panslavism (except Yugoslavia), soon after he dies, the first satellites, first humans to go to space, another four decades as a superpower etc.

    I think we have enough historical distance to know the historical mean of the region in terms of the national power and Stalin and post-Stalin time was historically multi-times overperformance compared to any epoch in history.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Defense Minister Shoigu is Tuvan
     
    Amusing to see Shoigu mentioned by a clueless idiot as yourself. Shoigu - somebody with more "Ukrainian" ( such a term doesn't exist) blood in him via his mother as accumulated in Avakov, Reznikov, Groizman, Zelensky, Schmeigel, Makarova ( Ambassador to US, so huge position for country controlled by US) and of course, the infamous wacko Danilov

    Russia’s PM is Jewish
     
    Ermm........no he is not, imbecile. Armenian heritage. Most importantly he is not some random POS who steals his way into position, like in 404, but somebody who ran a very good performing stating agency -FNS.

    Foreign Minister Lavrov is Armenian,
     
    Half Armenian, and it thought of in Russia as Armenian as Tiger Woods is Vietnamese.
    Then there is the million other high profile positions with Russians in it. Not that there is anything wrong with non-slavs in positions of power anyway you idiot - just that in Banderastan non-ukrops control everything.

    "Coincidentally" - it always seems to be either huge majority those from the Russian regions, prostitutes or oligarchs in Russian regions, or those who have live and worked in Russia........who get every single big position in 404. It's fantastic that those from Tuva or Siberian region like Shoigu or Sobyanin etc are in a successful enough society that things like their appointment in powerful positions happen - different to failed states as 404
  777. @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    Both of the militaries don't have very working air force (although this will probably change in 2024-25).

    Both sides have tanks, both sides also have anti-tank weapons to equalize the movement of tanks.

    It's like second year of the Iran-Iraq war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#1981:_Stalemate

    "Wagner" using "human wave" attacks of prisoners. But unlike in Iran-Iraq war, there won't be so many of those, as demographics of the countries are not exactly like 1980s Iran.

    There were already in this war also similar actions as the "War of the cities" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Cities

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Sean

    Ukraine has very little airpower but the Russian air force has been effective in the limited, but still important, role that it is deployed in.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    The Russian Air Force seems to be achieving what is required. The Ukrainian Air Force was destroyed, grounded or driven out and the same thing will happen again if they acquire new equipment, unless the West decides to start WW3. In that case everyone has bigger problems.

    Apparently the Russians have flown many sorties. They might have lost fewer aircraft if some of the tech were more available, mainly a a greater quantity of smart munitions and countermeasures which are known to exist in their inventory. I think the difference in lost aircraft is a factor or 2 or 3, not a factor of 10. They have been waging an extended campaign of close support missions against a great many MANPADS hiding in cover. Losses are expected.

    The Russian approach to air power may be similar to their approach to artillery seen with the destruction of the Leopard 2A6s this week, apparently by precision guided munitions. The Russian Air Force has a variety of precision guided munitions but may be saving them for worthy targets in a high payoff scenario.

  778. AP says:
    @Ernst101
    @AP

    Disingenuous comment by AP. Poroshenko is a jew.

    This just the usual nefariousness, just on another level - jews sending SS-clad and swastika-tattooed young guys to be torn up. Of course there’s not going to be any mercy. 100s of thousands more are going to get torn up.

    Ukrainians really are the village idiots of Russia.

    Replies: @AP

    Disingenuous comment by AP. Poroshenko is a jew.

    No, you are a victim of some funny Russian trolling.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/ukraine-2/#comment-5155830

    “Poroshenko is not suspected Jew. To the extent of such claims, it was some trolling from the first channel. Federal media in Russia is philosemitic, while at the same time there can be clever hints of antisemitic connotations such as claiming the secret name of Poroshenko is “Valtzman”.

    From the names in his family, at least there is no indication of this.”

    More here:

    https://www.quora.com/What-evidence-is-there-for-the-claim-that-Poroshenkos-father-had-the-surname-Valtsman

    They were Poroshenkos going back generations.

    Here is Petro Poroshenko’s father, Alexei:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE,_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    Alexei was the son of Ivan Yevdokimovich Poroshenko.

    Alexei was born in the village of Safyani, which according to the 1930 census had 1271 Ukrainians (49.65%), 1250 Russians (primarily – Old Believers-Lipovans) (48.83%), 24 Romanians and 12 Bulgarians.

    No Jews lived in this village.

    Petro Poroshenko is an Orthodox Christian of Ukrainian ethnicity who has been married for about 30 years and has 4 kids.

    This just the usual nefariousness, just on another level – jews sending SS-clad and swastika-tattooed young guys to be torn up

    Did the same source that taught you that Poroshenko was a Jew teach you this also?

    Ukrainians defend their lands from the Russian invaders.

    Would you defend your lands if someone attacked your country? I doubt it. You probably allowed wherever you live to be flooded with outsiders, after all. You would come up with an excuse, while insulting those better than you.

  779. @AP
    @Greasy William

    Couldn’t.

    In the Soviet world, engineering was for people too dumb to study physics, chemistry, biology, medicine, etc. There were some elite schools that produces legitimately good engineers but for the most part engineering was a catchment for those smart enough to go past high school but not smart enough to do much. In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack

    Yes, because the Soviets were so backward in engineering. Let’s see, aerospace, nuclear, civil, electronics, etc. last time I checked they were world-class in these disciplines.

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC

    How did Chernobyl work out? Who won the moon race?

    As I wrote, Soviets did have some good engineers but the field was used as a catch-all for useless people, the types who in the USA would be in Human Resources or whatever. Many Soviet "engineers" would be technicians in the West.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

  780. AP says:
    @QCIC
    @AP

    Yes, because the Soviets were so backward in engineering. Let's see, aerospace, nuclear, civil, electronics, etc. last time I checked they were world-class in these disciplines.

    Replies: @AP

    How did Chernobyl work out? Who won the moon race?

    As I wrote, Soviets did have some good engineers but the field was used as a catch-all for useless people, the types who in the USA would be in Human Resources or whatever. Many Soviet “engineers” would be technicians in the West.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    OK.

    Don't forget Fukushima was at least as criminal as Chernobyl, if only because they pretended it was safe. I think the Soviet engineers accepted the instability of their reactor design and obviously this was a terrible stupidity.

    I would not defend a top down Communist system for many reasons. Nonetheless, when one understands where the USSR stood after WW2 and where they ended up technologically by 1990 it is impressive.

    Yes, there was spying and theft on all sides and the West and the USSR owe a vast technological debt for everything plucked from the technological corpse of Nazi Germany. So far Russia has held on to some of the old USSR S&T strength. It may be interesting to see where they end up in 30 years. I think the outcome is uncertain.

    Most engineers in the USA are not well qualified, either. This situation has ben getting worse for decades.

    The HR people here are another story. They are simply retarded and insane :(

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    How did Chernobyl work out?
     
    Chernobyl worked out great from a civil engineering point of view you serial dumbfuck. It was immaculately designed, as with entire Soviet/Russian nuclear industry ( which 404 is of course still parasiting from) and the industry continues to grow very successfully. A freak combination of circumstances and human error lead to this you idiot .

    Now this is completely different to the disastrous AMERICAN made structural failure at Fukushima you demented retard. Design from seismic effects is literally one of the most fundamental critical state things to do for a NPP in Japan you idiot. There is no excuse for the structural collapses that happened, and which should have been built for seismic effects multiple times stronger.
    Or 3 mile Island incident which was clearly a failure of American engineering

    3 Mile Island killed the growth of Pindostan Nuclear Power industry, LOL. Fukushima harmed the entire western policy to Nuclear energy for a decade . Chernobyl - Soviet NP industry just carried on fine, even expanding you ridiculous scumtroll.

    Who won the moon race?
     
    The side spending 3-4 times more money, not having to spend the last 20 years rebuilding their country........and the one with the most prestigious Nazi scientist leading the project ( should have been Nazi flag on moon I suppose), and of course the one with the least Galician engineers ( if such a concept even exists and isnt a contradiction in logic). Also the one who lost the space race, satellite race, orbit of Venus race, spacewalk race, woman in space, space-station in space ( ok - very low orbit, but still)

    Now , different to a sociopathic, non-life compulsive liar as yourself - I can appreciate good American engineering - Russia over centuries has welcomed and trained many great western engineers who have ran to work here ( though American engineers in post-soviet world have been nonexistant in successes)........but Tacoma narrow bridge collapse is like the "classical" fuckup of failed engineering shown to civil engineering students in Russia and around the world you moron. Like the Eiffel tower is connected with Paris, American engineering uselessness is connected with that.

    As I wrote, Soviets did have some good engineers but the field was used as a catch-all for useless people, the types who in the USA would be in Human Resources or whatever. Many Soviet “engineers” would be technicians in the West.
     
    Again, this is an amusing lie from a fantasist with extreme problems - amusingly too scared to debate in directly in your comment to this Greasy commentator, and in addition with what must be extreme hemorrhoid problems. Just about the only thing truthful from a scumtroll as yourself is that you are American.........and it looks like you spent the entire Friday night into Saturday morning in front of its computer judging by the timings of his posts, writing amazingly bad BS. A pitiful life.
  781. German_reader says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    It wasn't really a logical conclusion in an effective sense of the word since in his case what he did simply repulsed most people, including most people who would have otherwise been sympathetic towards his views. It's similar to what Yigal Amir did in Israel; killing Rabin was counterproductive in the sense that it almost cost the right its victory in the 1996 Israeli elections (huge sympathy boost for the left, which of course subsequently in large part subsided due to the left's incompetent response to Palestinian terrorism back then).

    It's similar to why pro-lifers bombing and/or murdering abortion doctors is counterproductive. It simply repulses people, including most pro-lifers themselves.

    Terrorism only makes sense (ignoring/excluding morality) if it actually has a realistic chance of achieving one's goals, as with the Algerian FLN during their war of independence.

    Replies: @German_reader

    It’s similar to why pro-lifers bombing and/or murdering abortion doctors is counterproductive.

    But if you killed enough of them, doctors might eventually think twice before offering such services.
    Breivik’s reasoning probably was similar. I think he hoped to inspire others to commit similar attacks, so left-wingers (especially future cadres) would have to live in constant fear and adjust their behaviour accordingly. imo there’s no reason why something like this couldn’t work in principle. Just look at what radical Muslims have essentially achieved in Western Europe. There’s undoubtedly a lot of self-censorship going on when discussing Islam, because you don’t really want to end up like Theo van Gogh, Samuel Paty, the Charlie Hebdo writers or other critics of Islam who had to go into hiding or are forced to live under police protection. Nor did these acts really cause all that much soul-searching or self-questioning in the wider Islamic community, instead some of their organizations have used such occasions to call for blasphemy laws.
    Of course the conditions for such an approach by nationalists in Western Europe don’t exist, not least because contrary to what the media tells you, most of them are law-abiding, non-violent and have moral scruples. But who knows what might happen in the coming decades.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Yeah, fair point about Muslims. But they have many more nuts relative to right-wingers as a proportion of their total population, I suspect. (Interestingly enough, I had a Muslim once threaten me on Quora when I said that people who draw Muhammad cartoons should be free to do so. I then appear to have calmed him down a bit--while also reporting him for violating Quora's policies--by pointing out that I myself don't actually intend to draw any Muhammad cartoons but simply don't think that people who do draw such cartoons should be either fined, jailed, or murdered. Someone else on Quora who saw this conversion commented on it by pointing out the hypocrisy of Islam being claimed to be the religion of peace. Anyway, it's been over 2.5 years now and no threats or anything. So, I think that I'm good. He probably lives in a different country from me anyway.)

    I think that there needs to be a tougher crackdown on Muslim extremists. If white supremacist Southerners in the US murdered people in interracial marriages after 1967 on a regular basis (when the US Supreme Court legalized interracial marriage nationwide), then there would be extremely massive calls for action by the US federal government--and obviously by US state governments as well. The same logic should apply right now in regards to Muslim extremists murdering people for Islamophobic speech, at least whenever they do so in Western countries.

    And obviously the West should not accept any Muslim immigrants who are culturally incompatible. This especially means being wary towards working-class Muslims, unless of course they are liberal or progressive or reformist. Extra profiling of upper-class Muslims might not hurt either, just as a precautionary measure. There are plenty of decent Muslims in the US--for instance, the Persians in southern California--but US Muslims in large part come from Muslim cognitive elites whereas Western European Muslims mostly come from Muslim working-classes, hence the much greater difficulties in Muslim integration in Western Europe relative to the US.

  782. @Gerard1234
    @Greasy William

    Too confused by your comment to be insulted by it. Its the greatest job on the planet.

    Anyway I thought Chemical "Engineer" or IT "Engineer" were clearly fake engineers.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think you guys had this discussion on the engineering pecking order years ago. The idea that civil engineers are lower on the totem pole may be a Western notion because there are many Civ-Es at least in the USA who are not adequate at math to be competent in other serious engineering professions. On the other hand these same civil engineers are not designing bridges, dams and the like, but probably focus on building secondary roads. This work has been in high demand as part of a continuous buildout in the past 50 years in the USA. Lots of work and very important to our daily lives, but not too demanding.

    The older idea of civil engineering, which in the past seemed to be Gerard1234’s view, is that civil engineers created vast works which greatly improved the lives of many people and required enormous care by the engineers to make both affordable and safe. The scale of civil engineering work is amazing. It was already mature while the other engineering branches were still playing around in the sandbox. Even though mature, each new project can still be challenging.

    Around 1980 in the USA, Electrical Engineering was considered the hardest engineering specialty since it was closest to Physics and therefore required the most math. High school math education is very poor in the USA. More recently, the majority of EEs are probably involved with computers which is not always very challenging unless one is designing CPUs or operating systems and a few other things.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @QCIC

    I dislike all real engineers. I don't have a problem with civil engineers. Real engineers have a totally unjustified superiority complex. If you were really that smart, you would have become a mathematician or at least a physicist. Nobody respects engineers.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  783. @QCIC
    @Gerard1234

    I think you guys had this discussion on the engineering pecking order years ago. The idea that civil engineers are lower on the totem pole may be a Western notion because there are many Civ-Es at least in the USA who are not adequate at math to be competent in other serious engineering professions. On the other hand these same civil engineers are not designing bridges, dams and the like, but probably focus on building secondary roads. This work has been in high demand as part of a continuous buildout in the past 50 years in the USA. Lots of work and very important to our daily lives, but not too demanding.

    The older idea of civil engineering, which in the past seemed to be Gerard1234's view, is that civil engineers created vast works which greatly improved the lives of many people and required enormous care by the engineers to make both affordable and safe. The scale of civil engineering work is amazing. It was already mature while the other engineering branches were still playing around in the sandbox. Even though mature, each new project can still be challenging.

    Around 1980 in the USA, Electrical Engineering was considered the hardest engineering specialty since it was closest to Physics and therefore required the most math. High school math education is very poor in the USA. More recently, the majority of EEs are probably involved with computers which is not always very challenging unless one is designing CPUs or operating systems and a few other things.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I dislike all real engineers. I don’t have a problem with civil engineers. Real engineers have a totally unjustified superiority complex. If you were really that smart, you would have become a mathematician or at least a physicist. Nobody respects engineers.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Greasy William


    Real engineers have a totally unjustified superiority complex.
     
    Very strange to hear that. Can we be clear we are talking about actual engineers? Not IT "Engineers", Fashion Engineers or whatever?

    The closest thing to what you are saying that I know of is, of course, Architects ( often dickheads, even on a good day) masquerading as civil engineers and displaying extreme arrogance - or at least try and take the credit for engineering achievements. A lot of people get confused on the 2 roles as in what they do.

    Centuries before they were effectively the same thing/same person

    Replies: @Greasy William

  784. @Dmitry
    @Yevardian

    Yes, Tarkovsky was obviously a bad person, in terms of spiritually. He killed a real horse to produce the film "Andrei Rublev". But he was a talented and innovative kind of visual artist of the Soviet culture.

    In terms of the attainments of the Soviet art. The most important art attainments of the Soviet culture was music, especially music performance.

    But even popular culture, film, architecture was flooded with talented people. Just after Eisenstein, it didn't go as well as American, Italian and Japanese cinema.

    Possibly, postwar West German cinema, Swedish cinema was in a similar level. Polish and Czech cinema was also possibly very good.

    In Lodz, there was a very successful film school. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81%C3%B3d%C5%BA_Film_School

    Replies: @Yevardian

    In terms of the attainments of the Soviet art. The most important art attainments of the Soviet culture was music, especially music performance.

    But even popular culture, film, architecture was flooded with talented people. Just after Eisenstein, it didn’t go as well as American, Italian and Japanese cinema.

    This, and the strong promotion of high-culture generally, was one aspect that my relatives always looked back on nostalgically when remembering the USSR, though their opinions were complicated.

    Its not quite fair to expect any country to out-compete the Americans in cinema, but I do think the Soviet film industry definitely outlasted Italy’s, in terms of continuing to produce high-quality movies until the whole Communist project fell apart, whilst Italy’s film industry largely died off by the 70s.
    And for the more ‘popular’ works, I have to admit I can’t stand most Italian comedies and melodramas, whilst their thrillers (giallo) were usually little more than cheap smut and exploitation (I know Dario Argento has his cult following, but I’m not a fan).

    One curious thing about Soviet cultural products, is the curious sense of ‘wholesemness’ the lasted into the late 70’s, that reminds one of the atmosphere of the American 50’s, even as everyday life in the late USSR began stagnating into grubbiness and tedium.

    Possibly, postwar West German cinema, Swedish cinema was in a similar level. Polish and Czech cinema was also possibly very good.

    I don’t really know Swedish cinema outside of Bergman’s works, although by his copious output alone it belongs in the national top 5.

    The two Communist-era Czech films I’ve seen, Cremator and Closely Watched Trains, were excellent.

    [MORE]

    Did you ever interact with the former commenter “Glossy” much? For him as well, this, quality education, and a sense of public order (and his youth) seem to be the things that contribute to his extremely rosy memory of the USSR.
    Anyway, his assessment of Karlin as being the worst sort of unmoored, deracinated, mentally unstable либераст turned out to be completely accurate.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    I wonder what Glossy is up to today (e. g. what are his thoughts on the war in Ukraine). Didn't interact with him that much, but his feud with Karlin was certainly memorable. iirc he once had a blog, but seems to have gone offline.

    , @Dmitry
    @Yevardian


    sense of ‘wholesemness’ the lasted into the late 70’
     
    In context of elite culture, it also damages the quality of the art, as the utopianism is propaganda and they have to modify a lot of the films.

    Soviet cinema or art, can never really saying the truth, as it's always political propaganda.

    But there is mixed quality of Stalinist legacy and it is usually a kind of "better than expected". For example, Stalinist architecture is fake, but overall, still a high quality of architecture.

    Stalinist architecture is never authentic or real quality like Western European architecture, but it's usually very good relative to resources and epoch, better than some Western countries were building in the 1950s.

    I think it's something of Stalin's legacy in general also even some Russian empire attainments. It's overperfoming anyone's expectation for the situation, attains internationally competitive results, but in the long term it's kind of fake, degrades back to the expectation, or even collapses below expectation, which is the history of the postsoviet time.


    Soviet cultural products,

     

    Also important was combination of socialism to kind of snobby attitude to culture. So, they want to give the elite culture, to everyone.

    It's in Russia, every child watching cartoons from the television, was receiving a lot of modern classical music and references to classical culture.


    whilst Italy’s film industry largely died off by the 70s.
     
    Italy was producing some good films in the 1970s.

    French cinema is becoming very bad in the 1980s. Sometimes souless trash.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cin%C3%A9ma_du_look

    I also wonder about the 1980s American films, are actually quite bad if you watch it carefully. I even start to ask if the even 1990s and 2000s American films are often better than many 1980s American films. There were definitely more conceptual 1990s films.

  785. @AP
    @QCIC

    How did Chernobyl work out? Who won the moon race?

    As I wrote, Soviets did have some good engineers but the field was used as a catch-all for useless people, the types who in the USA would be in Human Resources or whatever. Many Soviet "engineers" would be technicians in the West.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    OK.

    Don’t forget Fukushima was at least as criminal as Chernobyl, if only because they pretended it was safe. I think the Soviet engineers accepted the instability of their reactor design and obviously this was a terrible stupidity.

    I would not defend a top down Communist system for many reasons. Nonetheless, when one understands where the USSR stood after WW2 and where they ended up technologically by 1990 it is impressive.

    Yes, there was spying and theft on all sides and the West and the USSR owe a vast technological debt for everything plucked from the technological corpse of Nazi Germany. So far Russia has held on to some of the old USSR S&T strength. It may be interesting to see where they end up in 30 years. I think the outcome is uncertain.

    Most engineers in the USA are not well qualified, either. This situation has ben getting worse for decades.

    The HR people here are another story. They are simply retarded and insane 🙁

  786. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @Dmitry


    In terms of the attainments of the Soviet art. The most important art attainments of the Soviet culture was music, especially music performance.

    But even popular culture, film, architecture was flooded with talented people. Just after Eisenstein, it didn’t go as well as American, Italian and Japanese cinema.
     
    This, and the strong promotion of high-culture generally, was one aspect that my relatives always looked back on nostalgically when remembering the USSR, though their opinions were complicated.

    Its not quite fair to expect any country to out-compete the Americans in cinema, but I do think the Soviet film industry definitely outlasted Italy's, in terms of continuing to produce high-quality movies until the whole Communist project fell apart, whilst Italy's film industry largely died off by the 70s.
    And for the more 'popular' works, I have to admit I can't stand most Italian comedies and melodramas, whilst their thrillers (giallo) were usually little more than cheap smut and exploitation (I know Dario Argento has his cult following, but I'm not a fan).

    One curious thing about Soviet cultural products, is the curious sense of 'wholesemness' the lasted into the late 70's, that reminds one of the atmosphere of the American 50's, even as everyday life in the late USSR began stagnating into grubbiness and tedium.

    Possibly, postwar West German cinema, Swedish cinema was in a similar level. Polish and Czech cinema was also possibly very good.
     
    I don't really know Swedish cinema outside of Bergman's works, although by his copious output alone it belongs in the national top 5.

    The two Communist-era Czech films I've seen, Cremator and Closely Watched Trains, were excellent.



    Did you ever interact with the former commenter "Glossy" much? For him as well, this, quality education, and a sense of public order (and his youth) seem to be the things that contribute to his extremely rosy memory of the USSR.
    Anyway, his assessment of Karlin as being the worst sort of unmoored, deracinated, mentally unstable либераст turned out to be completely accurate.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry

    I wonder what Glossy is up to today (e. g. what are his thoughts on the war in Ukraine). Didn’t interact with him that much, but his feud with Karlin was certainly memorable. iirc he once had a blog, but seems to have gone offline.

  787. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack


    The vanguard nation then was Russia in this world socialist movement, so who are we to blame then?
     
    USSR was not Russia. And RusFed is not Russia either, although I can understand that Americans like yourself would think otherwise.

    The Soviets killed Russia that has been weakened by the Romanov's westernizing. Then the Noviop killed Soviet Union. Russia is dead and now Russian people is slowly dying too. If Russia wouldn't have died, there would be no Ukraine. That is why any true Ukrainian hates Russia. Because they know that they are a byproduct of Russia's death.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack

    The Soviets killed Russia that has been weakened by the Romanov’s westernizing.

    Without someone like Peter the Great extenensive borrowing of technology and administrative structures from the (then) most advanced part of the world, it’s quite possible Russia could have suffered the fate of the rest of Eastern Europe.

    Russia was on the military backfoot against the Swedes, Ottomans and even Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for quite some time.

    If Russia wouldn’t have died, there would be no Ukraine. That is why any true Ukrainian hates Russia. Because they know that they are a byproduct of Russia’s death.

    I suppose there is something to this argument, in the sense that an independent Wales or Scotland would find it very difficult to justify their existence and foster a truly separate culture without resorting to overwhelming anti-English resentment and extensive distortion of their own history.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Yevardian

    Russia, Ukraine are relabelled part of the Soviet Union and Russian empire, both countries not more or less legitimate inheritance to them.

    Just, Russia derives its ego from the Soviet Union and Russian empire, while Ukraine follows the opposite strategy. And the behavior of both is a contradiction of each other and "convenient" ideological context for the postsoviet border conflict.

    Bashibuzuk's comments remind of Ukraine's attitude.

    He now says Russia today and Soviet Union were not "really Russia". He is a late Soviet person, who lived in 1990s Russian Federation.

    So, he's saying he never lived in Russia, doesn't know Russia personally. Russia didn't exist already many years before he was a sperm cell, etc.

    If Russia died in 1922, then no-one younger than 101 years, has any experience with them. This is very convenient to create a space for imaginary idealized country, which no-one today is still living to remember i.e. Russia is some kind of beautiful ghost, nobody has seen. Instead of the country everyone knows, not necessarily enjoys the recent political decisions.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  788. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @S

    A decade or so ago, I happened to read somewhere on the internets about the food that was eaten by the average American South plantation slave vs his contemporary average Irish off-boater immigrant to the US from the potato famine ravaged Irland. The slave had better quality food and ate more of it than the Irish immigrant could afford. A slave was an investment. A costly investment with an ROI that took a few years to become positive. The immigrant cost nothing and paid for everything. The "liberation" of the slaves and the transition from slavery to mass immigration was an OpEx optimization driven by the financial elites.

    Replies: @S, @S

    A slave was an investment. A costly investment with an ROI that took a few years to become positive. The immigrant cost nothing and paid for everything.

    I compare the wage slave (so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’) system to ‘just in time’ slavery. 🙂

    https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/just-in-time-inventory/

    A dirty truth that dare not be spoken is that it was to make the whole of the United States safe for wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’), which a recalcitrant South with it’s entrenched chattel slavery was balking at accepting, that seven hundred thousand had to die in the US Civil War of 1861-65.

    It’s for this same wage slavery system, which is the economic and political basis of the modern progressive Multi-Cultural state, that the peoples of the world (by and large) are being expected to give up their souls. 🙁

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  789. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    It’s similar to why pro-lifers bombing and/or murdering abortion doctors is counterproductive.
     
    But if you killed enough of them, doctors might eventually think twice before offering such services.
    Breivik's reasoning probably was similar. I think he hoped to inspire others to commit similar attacks, so left-wingers (especially future cadres) would have to live in constant fear and adjust their behaviour accordingly. imo there's no reason why something like this couldn't work in principle. Just look at what radical Muslims have essentially achieved in Western Europe. There's undoubtedly a lot of self-censorship going on when discussing Islam, because you don't really want to end up like Theo van Gogh, Samuel Paty, the Charlie Hebdo writers or other critics of Islam who had to go into hiding or are forced to live under police protection. Nor did these acts really cause all that much soul-searching or self-questioning in the wider Islamic community, instead some of their organizations have used such occasions to call for blasphemy laws.
    Of course the conditions for such an approach by nationalists in Western Europe don't exist, not least because contrary to what the media tells you, most of them are law-abiding, non-violent and have moral scruples. But who knows what might happen in the coming decades.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, fair point about Muslims. But they have many more nuts relative to right-wingers as a proportion of their total population, I suspect. (Interestingly enough, I had a Muslim once threaten me on Quora when I said that people who draw Muhammad cartoons should be free to do so. I then appear to have calmed him down a bit–while also reporting him for violating Quora’s policies–by pointing out that I myself don’t actually intend to draw any Muhammad cartoons but simply don’t think that people who do draw such cartoons should be either fined, jailed, or murdered. Someone else on Quora who saw this conversion commented on it by pointing out the hypocrisy of Islam being claimed to be the religion of peace. Anyway, it’s been over 2.5 years now and no threats or anything. So, I think that I’m good. He probably lives in a different country from me anyway.)

    I think that there needs to be a tougher crackdown on Muslim extremists. If white supremacist Southerners in the US murdered people in interracial marriages after 1967 on a regular basis (when the US Supreme Court legalized interracial marriage nationwide), then there would be extremely massive calls for action by the US federal government–and obviously by US state governments as well. The same logic should apply right now in regards to Muslim extremists murdering people for Islamophobic speech, at least whenever they do so in Western countries.

    And obviously the West should not accept any Muslim immigrants who are culturally incompatible. This especially means being wary towards working-class Muslims, unless of course they are liberal or progressive or reformist. Extra profiling of upper-class Muslims might not hurt either, just as a precautionary measure. There are plenty of decent Muslims in the US–for instance, the Persians in southern California–but US Muslims in large part come from Muslim cognitive elites whereas Western European Muslims mostly come from Muslim working-classes, hence the much greater difficulties in Muslim integration in Western Europe relative to the US.

  790. @AP
    @Dmitry


    The most recent non-slavic leader in Moscow, was only Stalin, where the judgement is mixed.
     
    Andropov was half Jewish. His Russian father died when he was 5 and he was raised by is Jewish mother.

    The period after Stalin was one of the few times in Russian history when Russians were mostly in positions of leadership.

    Of course, look beyond the leader himself and see the others. Russia's PM is Jewish, Foreign Minister Lavrov is Armenian, Defense Minister Shoigu is Tuvan. And the Chechen Kadyrov has a special role who is above many Russians.

    Stalin was one of the most successful leaders in history,
     
    Before the war he killed or starved to death millions of Soviet people. During the war, he lost 27 million Soviet citizens and allowed his huge empire to almost be conquered by much-smaller Germany that was busy occupying most of Europe while fighting on a second front.

    Stalin was the greatest gift to Russia's Anglo enemies.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Gerard1234

    eader himself and see the others

    Lavrov doesn’t have power. Shoigu not really. And Kadyrov is a protector created by the compromise of Chechen war.

    It is autocracy system, in sense Putin is making the decisions. Except Putin, the important people for security decisions are from KGB or Leningrad origin and they are not Armenians. Patrushev, Naryshkin, Bortnikov etc. I guess the outsider would be Gerasimov, as from the army.

    In terms of the business class, it’s much more multinational, but Putin stopped prioritizing business class about decade ago.

    Andropov was half Jewish

    So, in one year (1983), Soviet Union had a Russian leader that had a mother, who was orphan with Jewish adopted parents, which he didn’t say to anyone publicly.

    Stalin

    Stalin begins with the most undeveloped country, ends with world’s most powerful land army, superpower controls half of Europe and has succeeded any impossible dreams of the Russian empire like panslavism (except Yugoslavia), soon after he dies, the first satellites, first humans to go to space, another four decades as a superpower etc.

    I think we have enough historical distance to know the historical mean of the region in terms of the national power and Stalin and post-Stalin time was historically multi-times overperformance compared to any epoch in history.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry


    Stalin begins with the most undeveloped country, ends with world’s most powerful land army, superpower controls half of Europe and has succeeded any impossible dreams of the Russian empire like panslavism
     
    Russia in 1910 was not as undeveloped as you imagine. Karlin had described it in detail in past posts.

    In 1905 Russia lost a war to Japan, but in 1914-1917 it defeated Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire at the same time, while losing less territory to Germany than Stalin did. So there was considerable improvement. It collapsed due to internal revolution; the Tsar had not been cruel enough to kill potential troublemakers.

    Industrialization and spread of mass education were happening at a quick pace. Etc.

    There is no reason to think those things would not have been achieved by a non-Soviet Russia, which would have had tens of millions of additional people.

    Stalin squandered the civilizational capital that Russia had been building up.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Yevardian, @LatW

  791. @Greasy William
    @Dmitry

    Ukraine has very little airpower but the Russian air force has been effective in the limited, but still important, role that it is deployed in.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The Russian Air Force seems to be achieving what is required. The Ukrainian Air Force was destroyed, grounded or driven out and the same thing will happen again if they acquire new equipment, unless the West decides to start WW3. In that case everyone has bigger problems.

    Apparently the Russians have flown many sorties. They might have lost fewer aircraft if some of the tech were more available, mainly a a greater quantity of smart munitions and countermeasures which are known to exist in their inventory. I think the difference in lost aircraft is a factor or 2 or 3, not a factor of 10. They have been waging an extended campaign of close support missions against a great many MANPADS hiding in cover. Losses are expected.

    The Russian approach to air power may be similar to their approach to artillery seen with the destruction of the Leopard 2A6s this week, apparently by precision guided munitions. The Russian Air Force has a variety of precision guided munitions but may be saving them for worthy targets in a high payoff scenario.

  792. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    No, you brought up the "collateral damage"...own up to it.

    When caught in an inconsistency you always run away. You don't decide what is and what isn't allowed in our discussions...either behave rationally or accept that we see you as a simpleton with an emotional attachment to your Ukie side but incapable of actual rational discussion.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Sure, I brought up “collateral damage” in relation to the whites that were mauled down by gunfire by a deranged teenager in Norway. You’re the one who tries to twist and turn every discussion into how the Ukrainian position is the wrong one and are unable to discuss or see anything else.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    In pure terms of exterminating a political opposition Breivik takes the cake.

  793. @Yevardian
    @Dmitry


    In terms of the attainments of the Soviet art. The most important art attainments of the Soviet culture was music, especially music performance.

    But even popular culture, film, architecture was flooded with talented people. Just after Eisenstein, it didn’t go as well as American, Italian and Japanese cinema.
     
    This, and the strong promotion of high-culture generally, was one aspect that my relatives always looked back on nostalgically when remembering the USSR, though their opinions were complicated.

    Its not quite fair to expect any country to out-compete the Americans in cinema, but I do think the Soviet film industry definitely outlasted Italy's, in terms of continuing to produce high-quality movies until the whole Communist project fell apart, whilst Italy's film industry largely died off by the 70s.
    And for the more 'popular' works, I have to admit I can't stand most Italian comedies and melodramas, whilst their thrillers (giallo) were usually little more than cheap smut and exploitation (I know Dario Argento has his cult following, but I'm not a fan).

    One curious thing about Soviet cultural products, is the curious sense of 'wholesemness' the lasted into the late 70's, that reminds one of the atmosphere of the American 50's, even as everyday life in the late USSR began stagnating into grubbiness and tedium.

    Possibly, postwar West German cinema, Swedish cinema was in a similar level. Polish and Czech cinema was also possibly very good.
     
    I don't really know Swedish cinema outside of Bergman's works, although by his copious output alone it belongs in the national top 5.

    The two Communist-era Czech films I've seen, Cremator and Closely Watched Trains, were excellent.



    Did you ever interact with the former commenter "Glossy" much? For him as well, this, quality education, and a sense of public order (and his youth) seem to be the things that contribute to his extremely rosy memory of the USSR.
    Anyway, his assessment of Karlin as being the worst sort of unmoored, deracinated, mentally unstable либераст turned out to be completely accurate.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry

    sense of ‘wholesemness’ the lasted into the late 70’

    In context of elite culture, it also damages the quality of the art, as the utopianism is propaganda and they have to modify a lot of the films.

    Soviet cinema or art, can never really saying the truth, as it’s always political propaganda.

    But there is mixed quality of Stalinist legacy and it is usually a kind of “better than expected”. For example, Stalinist architecture is fake, but overall, still a high quality of architecture.

    Stalinist architecture is never authentic or real quality like Western European architecture, but it’s usually very good relative to resources and epoch, better than some Western countries were building in the 1950s.

    I think it’s something of Stalin’s legacy in general also even some Russian empire attainments. It’s overperfoming anyone’s expectation for the situation, attains internationally competitive results, but in the long term it’s kind of fake, degrades back to the expectation, or even collapses below expectation, which is the history of the postsoviet time.

    Soviet cultural products,

    Also important was combination of socialism to kind of snobby attitude to culture. So, they want to give the elite culture, to everyone.

    It’s in Russia, every child watching cartoons from the television, was receiving a lot of modern classical music and references to classical culture.

    whilst Italy’s film industry largely died off by the 70s.

    Italy was producing some good films in the 1970s.

    French cinema is becoming very bad in the 1980s. Sometimes souless trash.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cin%C3%A9ma_du_look

    I also wonder about the 1980s American films, are actually quite bad if you watch it carefully. I even start to ask if the even 1990s and 2000s American films are often better than many 1980s American films. There were definitely more conceptual 1990s films.

  794. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack


    The vanguard nation then was Russia in this world socialist movement, so who are we to blame then?
     
    USSR was not Russia. And RusFed is not Russia either, although I can understand that Americans like yourself would think otherwise.

    The Soviets killed Russia that has been weakened by the Romanov's westernizing. Then the Noviop killed Soviet Union. Russia is dead and now Russian people is slowly dying too. If Russia wouldn't have died, there would be no Ukraine. That is why any true Ukrainian hates Russia. Because they know that they are a byproduct of Russia's death.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack

    USSR was not Russia. And RusFed is not Russia either, although I can understand that Americans like yourself would think otherwise.

    Look Ivashka, I can understand your aversion towards the Soviet Union and even of todays RusFed, but there come a time when you have to face the facts. Russia was the most important republic within the Soviet Union, and all important and crucial decisions were made in Moscow, even for the other constituent republics. Russification of all the republics, especially in Ukraine and Belarus, was very often a prime objective. RusFed is even the legal successor state of the Soviet Union. I know how you feel, feeling the same disgust as you do for the time period when Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union. This is a dark and gloomy period of Ukrainian history that many Ukrainians took part in, and I wish that it had never occured. But you can’t just pretend that it wasn’t a part and parcel of Ukrainian history.

  795. @Yevardian
    @Ivashka the fool


    The Soviets killed Russia that has been weakened by the Romanov’s westernizing.
     
    Without someone like Peter the Great extenensive borrowing of technology and administrative structures from the (then) most advanced part of the world, it's quite possible Russia could have suffered the fate of the rest of Eastern Europe.

    Russia was on the military backfoot against the Swedes, Ottomans and even Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for quite some time.


    If Russia wouldn’t have died, there would be no Ukraine. That is why any true Ukrainian hates Russia. Because they know that they are a byproduct of Russia’s death.
     
    I suppose there is something to this argument, in the sense that an independent Wales or Scotland would find it very difficult to justify their existence and foster a truly separate culture without resorting to overwhelming anti-English resentment and extensive distortion of their own history.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Russia, Ukraine are relabelled part of the Soviet Union and Russian empire, both countries not more or less legitimate inheritance to them.

    Just, Russia derives its ego from the Soviet Union and Russian empire, while Ukraine follows the opposite strategy. And the behavior of both is a contradiction of each other and “convenient” ideological context for the postsoviet border conflict.

    Bashibuzuk’s comments remind of Ukraine’s attitude.

    He now says Russia today and Soviet Union were not “really Russia”. He is a late Soviet person, who lived in 1990s Russian Federation.

    So, he’s saying he never lived in Russia, doesn’t know Russia personally. Russia didn’t exist already many years before he was a sperm cell, etc.

    If Russia died in 1922, then no-one younger than 101 years, has any experience with them. This is very convenient to create a space for imaginary idealized country, which no-one today is still living to remember i.e. Russia is some kind of beautiful ghost, nobody has seen. Instead of the country everyone knows, not necessarily enjoys the recent political decisions.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Original Russia was deadly wounded during the Raskol and the Time of Troubles, due to that wound, the Romanov dynasty the ancestor of which came from Prussia and who rapidly intermarried with German princely houses, could build a Russian Empire in which, the majority of the aristocratic elites were not ethnic Russians, and Jews in their Pale of Settlement had more civic rights than ethnic Russian serfs.

    I deeply love Saint Petersburg, but I don't forget that it was built on bones, blood and sweat of the Russian muzhik. That it was the siege of power of a self-colonizing Empire managed by an European elite to extract the riches from the soil and the populace of natives.

    Russian muszhik serfs were no better treated in their own lands than Indian Shudra were treated in the British Raj India. Actually, the Shudra probably had a better life. Both colonized people were ruthlessly exploited and both were also used as cannon fodder in the colonial wars.

    Ans I am not the only one to say that RusFed is not related to Russia, the former president of RusFed, Dmitry Medvedyev said "we are a very young country" and he was absolutely right. That is the reason that the Noviop had trampled the 1993 patriotic uprising, to build the crap they built from scratch with too much patriotic guidance. They built another colonial extractive regime under the Globalist influence and called it the Russian Federation, just like the Romanovs called theirs Russian Empire. That is hiding the exploitative class behind the large Russian muzhik's back. But the muzhik is getting tired of it all and is stopping breeding. The land is emptying up and is filled with the Central Asian and the Caucasus immigrants instead. Will they still call it Russian when Babazhon is the President, Dzhamshud is the prime minister and Rezvan is the minister of defense?

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry

  796. @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    For example, probably Seliverstov.*

    By the way, roots of a lot of Soviet attainments, if positive or negative, were already in the earlier epoch.

    In terms of technology of foreign surveillance, Russian empire was already a leader before the revolution. As result of the investment in surveillance technology, in terms of history of cryptography, Russia one of the most important innovators in the 19th century, more advanced than many European countries.

    -

    * https://syg.ma/@panddr/po-tu-storonu-barrikad-politsieiskiie-mietody-borby-s-rievoliutsiiei-v-1905-ghodu

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  797. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    He tends to blame the Moskaly/Katsapy, but he conveniently forgets what was the ethnic background of the power structures back then and today.
     
    The problem with Moskali is that they have always been ruled by non-Slavs to a large degree. So rule by Moscow = rule by cruel Georgians, Germans, Jews, Latvians, Tatars, etc. Had Ukraine stayed out of Moscow's grasp it would have had kinder Slavic rulers. Even the nasty 1930s Polish nationalists were nothing compared to Muscovite overlords.

    Russification has meant that Ukraine now has a similar phenomenon though it remains to be seen how pervasive this is. Before Zelensky, we had an ethnic Ukrainian president Poroshenko who built up the army.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ, @Ernst101, @Ivashka the fool

    Well, we both know that by the end of the Soviet Union, the Moscow nomenklatura was in great part made of southern Russian and Ukrainian clans. Especially the clan of Dneprpetrovsk, to which belonged Brezhnev.

    We also both know that the Ukrainian SSR had its own Communist Party:

    Коммунисти́ческая па́ртия Украи́ны (КПУ) (укр. Комуністи́чна па́ртія Украї́ни), до 1952 года Коммунисти́ческая па́ртия (большевико́в) Украи́ны (КП(б)У) (укр. Комуністи́чна па́ртія (більшовиків) Украї́ни) — украинская политическая партия. Существовала с 3—5 декабря 1917 года по 30 августа 1991 года. Была одной из крупнейших партийных организаций Коммунистической партии Советского Союза и правящей партией в Украинской Советской Социалистической Республике. При ЦК КП Украины действовали Институт проблем социализма и Партийная школа

    That it also had its own autonomous KGB:

    Комите́т госуда́рственной безопа́сности Украинской ССР (КГБ Украинской ССР, укр. Комітет державної безпеки Української РСР) — центральный республиканский орган государственного управления Украинской ССР. В сфере обеспечения государственной безопасности, действовавший с 1954 по 1991 год.

    That it was represented in the United Nations :

    4 февраля 1945 года открылся саммит в Ялте. 6 февраля нарком иностранных дел СССР Вячеслав Молотов внёс опережающее предложение о принятии в ООН отдельно от СССР всего трёх его союзных республик – Украины, Белоруссии и Литвы. Это было мотивировано со стороны СССР, по воспоминаниям Черчилля, тем, что эти республики «понесли большие жертвы в войне, первыми подверглись нападению и сильно пострадали». Причём сразу было оговорено, что СССР согласен и на отдельное принятие в ООН только двух советских республик. Тем самым практически сразу круг кандидатов на самостоятельное вхождение в ООН из состава СССР был очерчен только Украиной и Белоруссией.

    While, Russian Federation SSR had no Russian Rebuplican Communist Party, instead having the Soviet Union Communist Party, it had no Russian Republic KGB, but had the Union KGB and of course was not represented in the UN, instead being represented as one among many Soviet Socialist Republics by the USSR delegation.

    When the time came to create the FSB in post-Soviet time, its first director was the former head of the Ukrainian SSR KGB.

    So yeah, the Moskaly have often in their history been ruled by foreign elites, among which the Ukrainians had their share of power (Potyomkin, Rozumovskyi), and before them it were people who originally came from the PLC. Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.

    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol. What came after was gradually deprived of its Russian spirit until today it reached such a level of self alienation that people such as Putin, Shoigu, Kadyrov and Prigozhin are the public faces of the RusFed and its muscle too.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Well, we both know that by the end of the Soviet Union, the Moscow nomenklatura was in great part made of southern Russian and Ukrainian clans. Especially the clan of Dneprpetrovsk, to which belonged Brezhnev.
     
    Brezhnev was an ethnic Russian. But yes - the end of the USSR was the only time when Russia was ruled by ethnic Russians.

    We also both know that the Ukrainian SSR had its own Communist Party
     
    Which was brought to Ukraine and imposed upon Ukraine by Bolshevik Russia. Which killed millions of Ukrainians.

    That it was represented in the United Nations
     
    Another vote for Moscow. It always voted as Moscow did.

    While, Russian Federation SSR had no Russian Rebuplican Communist Party, instead having the Soviet Union Communist Party, it had no Russian Republic KGB, but had the Union KGB
     
    Soviet Union itself was a grotesque recombination of the Russian Empire. Russian Empire also can be said not to have been "Russian." It had a German ruling family, and an aristocracy full of Germans, Tatar, etc. families.

    So yeah, the Moskaly have often in their history been ruled by foreign elites, among which the Ukrainians had their share of power (Potyomkin, Rozumovskyi)
     
    And Bezborodko. But none of them really had power. Rozumovsky was easily forced into retirement by the German Catherine II.

    Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.
     
    Ukraine got stuck under Moscow/Saint Petersburg as a consequence of Khmelnytsky's treason. What did it mean to be stuck under Moscow? It meant native local Slavic elites losing power, and sharing with Russians the fate of having cruel German, Georgian, Jewish etc. masters. The people who enserfed their Slavic subjects (the German Catherine), or starved millions of them to death (the Georgian Stalin and his Jewish underlings). If Russia conquered Ukraine and united the two countries, creatures like Kadyrov would have power over Ukrainians as they do over Russians.

    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol
     
    The genuine Russia you speak of had an elite full of Tatar origin and Norse (Rurikid) origin families. Why does the phenomenon of being ruled by those foreign-origin elites make it "genuine Russia" while being ruled by the Germans who followed, and after that the Georgians and Russian-speaking Jews, make it not genuine Russia?

    The Soviet regime did far more to Russify Ukraine linguistically than the Tsars ever did.

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    , @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    That it was represented in the United Nations [..]

    Молотов внёс опережающее предложение о принятии в ООН отдельно от СССР всего трёх его союзных республик – Украины, Белоруссии и Литвы. Это было мотивировано со стороны СССР, по воспоминаниям Черчилля, тем, что эти республики «понесли большие жертвы в войне, первыми подверглись нападению и сильно пострадали».
     

    Interesting, didn't know that Molotov also proposed to include Lithuania separately. Thanks for that tidbit. That is quite fair and a reasonable argument, as these were the places that the Nazis attacked first, so in that sense he made a good point.

    Afaik, Ukraine also had a non-permanent seat in the UN Security Council, and Podolyak is now saying that Ukraine should remind the UN of that even though Russia alone inherited that seat. If they start fighting over that, it could be a huge diplomatic mess. I've even heard suggestions that they want to challenge that status and use these historical circumstances to rid Russia of this seat and propose that it'd be offered to other global players (such as some Arab states). This is probably too far fetched and things will most likely not get that far. But this is just another indication how these recent events have opened up a lot of revisionism.

    Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.
     

    The problem is that during the Civil War era, and all the following decades, of course, many Ukrainians who opposed the Soviet power were stomped out mercilessly. This happened as early as in 1918 (during events such as the Battle of Kruty, where Ukrainians were in fact attacked in their own capital, by a multi-ethnic Soviet army, led by an ethnic Russian and an ethnic Latvian).

    Putin, Shoigu, Kadyrov and Prigozhin are the public faces of the RusFed

     

    Don't forget the likes of bobroyedka Simonyan. The problem is that when it comes to ethnic Russians, they are actually divided, there are those who go along with this Noviop state or at least accept it passively and those who don't view it as fully theirs and, frankly, whose identity really is different from those mentioned above.

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    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.
     
    Could you expand a bit on this? I'd be curious to know how you would characterize the relationship between Russia and Ukraine for most of their historic encounters? If a country's major political, economic, cultural, language and religious policies are all closely monitored and approved or disapproved in a neighboring country's capital city, what would be a more accurate way to describe their relationship than colonizer/colonized?

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    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool


    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

    They don't teach this in logic class. They do teach it at the debate team training which was extracurricular at my high school. No grades or credit like math and history and English.

    Did you go to high school in Russia? Did you ever have a history teacher mark you down for a true scotsman fallacy? How would the high school history teachers have marked it if you wrote Ukraine was a fake gay country?

    I have a book in my library that was written by my high school history teacher. I am reluctant to write this because the fakest gayest thing in the universe is people who talk about when they were in high school. The only exceptions are if something like the Berlin wall fall or 9/11 happened when you were going to high school.

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  798. AP says:
    @Dmitry
    @AP


    eader himself and see the others
     
    Lavrov doesn't have power. Shoigu not really. And Kadyrov is a protector created by the compromise of Chechen war.

    It is autocracy system, in sense Putin is making the decisions. Except Putin, the important people for security decisions are from KGB or Leningrad origin and they are not Armenians. Patrushev, Naryshkin, Bortnikov etc. I guess the outsider would be Gerasimov, as from the army.

    In terms of the business class, it's much more multinational, but Putin stopped prioritizing business class about decade ago.

    Andropov was half Jewish
     
    So, in one year (1983), Soviet Union had a Russian leader that had a mother, who was orphan with Jewish adopted parents, which he didn't say to anyone publicly.

    Stalin

     

    Stalin begins with the most undeveloped country, ends with world's most powerful land army, superpower controls half of Europe and has succeeded any impossible dreams of the Russian empire like panslavism (except Yugoslavia), soon after he dies, the first satellites, first humans to go to space, another four decades as a superpower etc.

    I think we have enough historical distance to know the historical mean of the region in terms of the national power and Stalin and post-Stalin time was historically multi-times overperformance compared to any epoch in history.

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    Stalin begins with the most undeveloped country, ends with world’s most powerful land army, superpower controls half of Europe and has succeeded any impossible dreams of the Russian empire like panslavism

    Russia in 1910 was not as undeveloped as you imagine. Karlin had described it in detail in past posts.

    In 1905 Russia lost a war to Japan, but in 1914-1917 it defeated Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire at the same time, while losing less territory to Germany than Stalin did. So there was considerable improvement. It collapsed due to internal revolution; the Tsar had not been cruel enough to kill potential troublemakers.

    Industrialization and spread of mass education were happening at a quick pace. Etc.

    There is no reason to think those things would not have been achieved by a non-Soviet Russia, which would have had tens of millions of additional people.

    Stalin squandered the civilizational capital that Russia had been building up.

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    @AP


    but in 1914-1917 it defeated Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire at the same time, while losing less territory to Germany than Stalin did.
     
    False analogy because Stalin did not have anywhere near as generous of a second front until 1944 as Tsarist Russia had (due to the 1940 Fall of France). A better analogy would be seeing how Tsarist Russia would have fared against Germany had France fallen back in 1914 (or 1915).

    I do agree with your general point here, though, which is that Tsarist Russia (and even a non-Bolshevik Russia in general) would have had greater potential due to a better economic system and more people (due to no mass murder and no mass famines). The down side, of course, would have been that its core cities (Moscow, St. Pete's, Kiev, Odessa, et cetera) would have been much more Muslim by now than they actually are in real life due to a Central Asian equivalent of what the 20th century African-American Great Migration was for the US:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)

    But at least Central Asians are more functional than African-Americans are, being comparable to US Hispanics or perhaps to lower-class Hindus/Sikhs.
    , @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    The Revolution was inevitable because of the agrarian question and the deep resentment the Russian muzhik came to feel against the baré. The populace rejected the ruling class as a foreign body that the elite certainly was, only to be saddled with an even more foreign and ruthless Bolshevik pseudo-elite.

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    , @Yevardian
    @AP


    Industrialization and spread of mass education were happening at a quick pace. Etc.

    There is no reason to think those things would not have been achieved by a non-Soviet Russia, which would have had tens of millions of additional people.

    Stalin squandered the civilizational capital that Russia had been building up.
     

    Lenin, Trotsky and other Old Bolsheviks did that. Stalin played no role in the 1917 Revolution/Coup and didn't become a major player until Lenin became seriously ill.

    I would say from a purely geopolitical standpoint, Stalin did extremely well in expanding Soviet power and influence, starting from the very weak position the USSR was in on Lenin's death. If for example Trotsky, or worse, Brezhnev-style comittee leadership, succeeded Lenin, I think there's a much higher probability that the USSR would not have survived the 30s and 40s.

    Stalin's agreements with Hitler were rational enough. Litvinov's pro-Western policy didn't go anyway, and it's not as if Poland or the Baltic states would have ever sided with Russia against Germany anyway.

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    , @LatW
    @AP


    It collapsed due to internal revolution; the Tsar had not been cruel enough to kill potential troublemakers.
     
    It may have been that the Tsar may not have been able to control things, because the whole spectrum of these new ideas had been spreading for a long time already and widely, including in the upper classes. Some people identified as "democrats" in the beginning of the 20th century (from social democrat), not necessarily as straight up communists. And, of course, active social democrats were exiled.

    Industrialization and spread of mass education were happening at a quick pace. Etc.
     

    That was probably one of the reasons for the Revolution - maybe the urbanization was happening too fast, every baba had 7 kids and of those who remained alive, all of them rushed into the cities. At the same time, there were not enough highways in Imperial Russia.

    As to Stalin becoming so successful, one of the reasons for that is because the West helped him.

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  799. @AP
    @Dmitry


    Stalin begins with the most undeveloped country, ends with world’s most powerful land army, superpower controls half of Europe and has succeeded any impossible dreams of the Russian empire like panslavism
     
    Russia in 1910 was not as undeveloped as you imagine. Karlin had described it in detail in past posts.

    In 1905 Russia lost a war to Japan, but in 1914-1917 it defeated Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire at the same time, while losing less territory to Germany than Stalin did. So there was considerable improvement. It collapsed due to internal revolution; the Tsar had not been cruel enough to kill potential troublemakers.

    Industrialization and spread of mass education were happening at a quick pace. Etc.

    There is no reason to think those things would not have been achieved by a non-Soviet Russia, which would have had tens of millions of additional people.

    Stalin squandered the civilizational capital that Russia had been building up.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Yevardian, @LatW

    but in 1914-1917 it defeated Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire at the same time, while losing less territory to Germany than Stalin did.

    False analogy because Stalin did not have anywhere near as generous of a second front until 1944 as Tsarist Russia had (due to the 1940 Fall of France). A better analogy would be seeing how Tsarist Russia would have fared against Germany had France fallen back in 1914 (or 1915).

    I do agree with your general point here, though, which is that Tsarist Russia (and even a non-Bolshevik Russia in general) would have had greater potential due to a better economic system and more people (due to no mass murder and no mass famines). The down side, of course, would have been that its core cities (Moscow, St. Pete’s, Kiev, Odessa, et cetera) would have been much more Muslim by now than they actually are in real life due to a Central Asian equivalent of what the 20th century African-American Great Migration was for the US:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)

    But at least Central Asians are more functional than African-Americans are, being comparable to US Hispanics or perhaps to lower-class Hindus/Sikhs.

  800. @Dmitry
    @Yevardian

    Russia, Ukraine are relabelled part of the Soviet Union and Russian empire, both countries not more or less legitimate inheritance to them.

    Just, Russia derives its ego from the Soviet Union and Russian empire, while Ukraine follows the opposite strategy. And the behavior of both is a contradiction of each other and "convenient" ideological context for the postsoviet border conflict.

    Bashibuzuk's comments remind of Ukraine's attitude.

    He now says Russia today and Soviet Union were not "really Russia". He is a late Soviet person, who lived in 1990s Russian Federation.

    So, he's saying he never lived in Russia, doesn't know Russia personally. Russia didn't exist already many years before he was a sperm cell, etc.

    If Russia died in 1922, then no-one younger than 101 years, has any experience with them. This is very convenient to create a space for imaginary idealized country, which no-one today is still living to remember i.e. Russia is some kind of beautiful ghost, nobody has seen. Instead of the country everyone knows, not necessarily enjoys the recent political decisions.

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    Original Russia was deadly wounded during the Raskol and the Time of Troubles, due to that wound, the Romanov dynasty the ancestor of which came from Prussia and who rapidly intermarried with German princely houses, could build a Russian Empire in which, the majority of the aristocratic elites were not ethnic Russians, and Jews in their Pale of Settlement had more civic rights than ethnic Russian serfs.

    I deeply love Saint Petersburg, but I don’t forget that it was built on bones, blood and sweat of the Russian muzhik. That it was the siege of power of a self-colonizing Empire managed by an European elite to extract the riches from the soil and the populace of natives.

    Russian muszhik serfs were no better treated in their own lands than Indian Shudra were treated in the British Raj India. Actually, the Shudra probably had a better life. Both colonized people were ruthlessly exploited and both were also used as cannon fodder in the colonial wars.

    Ans I am not the only one to say that RusFed is not related to Russia, the former president of RusFed, Dmitry Medvedyev said “we are a very young country” and he was absolutely right. That is the reason that the Noviop had trampled the 1993 patriotic uprising, to build the crap they built from scratch with too much patriotic guidance. They built another colonial extractive regime under the Globalist influence and called it the Russian Federation, just like the Romanovs called theirs Russian Empire. That is hiding the exploitative class behind the large Russian muzhik’s back. But the muzhik is getting tired of it all and is stopping breeding. The land is emptying up and is filled with the Central Asian and the Caucasus immigrants instead. Will they still call it Russian when Babazhon is the President, Dzhamshud is the prime minister and Rezvan is the minister of defense?

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Ivashka the fool

    When you have to refer to Dima as an authority for your argument, there's a problem.

    Денег нет, но мы держимся

    , @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool


    Petersburg, but I don’t forget that it was built on bones, blood
     
    Ten of thousands of serfs are killed to construct Petersburg. Does this mean we cannot enjoy the beautiful city?

    If serfs had smartphones and uploaded videos of their killing to YouTube, we would see the city like a zone of massacre, instead of a "cultural city".

    It reminds of African Americans situation in relation to parts of American history, possibly including the Washington Monument. (If you learn historical science from Spider Man https://youtu.be/K9Yo_M6sAMs?t=4.)

    In normal society with slave colony history, there should be historical reconciliation and consensus for designing systems or mechanism to prevent repeating the destruction of human rights and slavery, in the future.

    Ukrainians were going like Malcolm X, in Russia nowadays, there has been often identification of slaves to the power of their masters, or alternative, kind of self-pity trying to be a special snowflake because of martyrology about ancestors victims.

    -

    One of the examples is Victory Day. In 1941, millions of soldiers and civilians were killed, partly because of military and diplomatic incompetence of the authorities.

    Responsible attitude would be studying how to avoid this situation in the future, irresponsible attitude we have martyrology and kind of karmic desire to repeat the past in future.

    Parents who dress small children in military uniforms, should not be parents, to say this mildly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfPJiRVyVV4

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  801. @AP
    @Dmitry


    Stalin begins with the most undeveloped country, ends with world’s most powerful land army, superpower controls half of Europe and has succeeded any impossible dreams of the Russian empire like panslavism
     
    Russia in 1910 was not as undeveloped as you imagine. Karlin had described it in detail in past posts.

    In 1905 Russia lost a war to Japan, but in 1914-1917 it defeated Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire at the same time, while losing less territory to Germany than Stalin did. So there was considerable improvement. It collapsed due to internal revolution; the Tsar had not been cruel enough to kill potential troublemakers.

    Industrialization and spread of mass education were happening at a quick pace. Etc.

    There is no reason to think those things would not have been achieved by a non-Soviet Russia, which would have had tens of millions of additional people.

    Stalin squandered the civilizational capital that Russia had been building up.

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    The Revolution was inevitable because of the agrarian question and the deep resentment the Russian muzhik came to feel against the baré. The populace rejected the ruling class as a foreign body that the elite certainly was, only to be saddled with an even more foreign and ruthless Bolshevik pseudo-elite.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    The Revolution was inevitable because of the agrarian question and the deep resentment the Russian muzhik came to feel against the baré.
     
    Unrest of some sort would have been expected, but the Revolution succeeded because Russia swallowed the poison pill of Polish-Ukrainian lands and thereby gained a population of smart Jewish people hungry for power (they also inherited angry Latvians when they took land from Sweden), who would not have achieved power in Poland-Ukraine itself but who plugged into the Russian matrix (in which native Slavs are almost always ruled by foreigners) they managed to achieve a measure of power in Moscow, by (alongside Georgian, and multinational Lenin) overthrowing and replacing the largely German elites. A tragedy obviously, because by the time of the overthrow the German elites had become softer and kinder overlords to their Slavs than their ancestors such as the cruel Catherine had been,.

    Having taken power in Russia first, only then by using Russian servant-forces they were able to establish their rule over Ukraine too.

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  802. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Well, we both know that by the end of the Soviet Union, the Moscow nomenklatura was in great part made of southern Russian and Ukrainian clans. Especially the clan of Dneprpetrovsk, to which belonged Brezhnev.

    We also both know that the Ukrainian SSR had its own Communist Party:


    Коммунисти́ческая па́ртия Украи́ны (КПУ) (укр. Комуністи́чна па́ртія Украї́ни), до 1952 года Коммунисти́ческая па́ртия (большевико́в) Украи́ны (КП(б)У) (укр. Комуністи́чна па́ртія (більшовиків) Украї́ни) — украинская политическая партия. Существовала с 3—5 декабря 1917 года по 30 августа 1991 года. Была одной из крупнейших партийных организаций Коммунистической партии Советского Союза и правящей партией в Украинской Советской Социалистической Республике. При ЦК КП Украины действовали Институт проблем социализма и Партийная школа
     
    That it also had its own autonomous KGB:

    Комите́т госуда́рственной безопа́сности Украинской ССР (КГБ Украинской ССР, укр. Комітет державної безпеки Української РСР) — центральный республиканский орган государственного управления Украинской ССР. В сфере обеспечения государственной безопасности, действовавший с 1954 по 1991 год.
     
    That it was represented in the United Nations :

    4 февраля 1945 года открылся саммит в Ялте. 6 февраля нарком иностранных дел СССР Вячеслав Молотов внёс опережающее предложение о принятии в ООН отдельно от СССР всего трёх его союзных республик – Украины, Белоруссии и Литвы. Это было мотивировано со стороны СССР, по воспоминаниям Черчилля, тем, что эти республики «понесли большие жертвы в войне, первыми подверглись нападению и сильно пострадали». Причём сразу было оговорено, что СССР согласен и на отдельное принятие в ООН только двух советских республик. Тем самым практически сразу круг кандидатов на самостоятельное вхождение в ООН из состава СССР был очерчен только Украиной и Белоруссией.
     
    While, Russian Federation SSR had no Russian Rebuplican Communist Party, instead having the Soviet Union Communist Party, it had no Russian Republic KGB, but had the Union KGB and of course was not represented in the UN, instead being represented as one among many Soviet Socialist Republics by the USSR delegation.

    When the time came to create the FSB in post-Soviet time, its first director was the former head of the Ukrainian SSR KGB.

    So yeah, the Moskaly have often in their history been ruled by foreign elites, among which the Ukrainians had their share of power (Potyomkin, Rozumovskyi), and before them it were people who originally came from the PLC. Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.

    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol. What came after was gradually deprived of its Russian spirit until today it reached such a level of self alienation that people such as Putin, Shoigu, Kadyrov and Prigozhin are the public faces of the RusFed and its muscle too.

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    Well, we both know that by the end of the Soviet Union, the Moscow nomenklatura was in great part made of southern Russian and Ukrainian clans. Especially the clan of Dneprpetrovsk, to which belonged Brezhnev.

    Brezhnev was an ethnic Russian. But yes – the end of the USSR was the only time when Russia was ruled by ethnic Russians.

    We also both know that the Ukrainian SSR had its own Communist Party

    Which was brought to Ukraine and imposed upon Ukraine by Bolshevik Russia. Which killed millions of Ukrainians.

    That it was represented in the United Nations

    Another vote for Moscow. It always voted as Moscow did.

    While, Russian Federation SSR had no Russian Rebuplican Communist Party, instead having the Soviet Union Communist Party, it had no Russian Republic KGB, but had the Union KGB

    Soviet Union itself was a grotesque recombination of the Russian Empire. Russian Empire also can be said not to have been “Russian.” It had a German ruling family, and an aristocracy full of Germans, Tatar, etc. families.

    So yeah, the Moskaly have often in their history been ruled by foreign elites, among which the Ukrainians had their share of power (Potyomkin, Rozumovskyi)

    And Bezborodko. But none of them really had power. Rozumovsky was easily forced into retirement by the German Catherine II.

    Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.

    Ukraine got stuck under Moscow/Saint Petersburg as a consequence of Khmelnytsky’s treason. What did it mean to be stuck under Moscow? It meant native local Slavic elites losing power, and sharing with Russians the fate of having cruel German, Georgian, Jewish etc. masters. The people who enserfed their Slavic subjects (the German Catherine), or starved millions of them to death (the Georgian Stalin and his Jewish underlings). If Russia conquered Ukraine and united the two countries, creatures like Kadyrov would have power over Ukrainians as they do over Russians.

    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol

    The genuine Russia you speak of had an elite full of Tatar origin and Norse (Rurikid) origin families. Why does the phenomenon of being ruled by those foreign-origin elites make it “genuine Russia” while being ruled by the Germans who followed, and after that the Georgians and Russian-speaking Jews, make it not genuine Russia?

    The Soviet regime did far more to Russify Ukraine linguistically than the Tsars ever did.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AP


    The Soviet regime did far more to Russify Ukraine linguistically than the Tsars ever did.
     
    Had the Tsars had more time and had their circumstances been more stable, they would've done it as well. They had set out to do it already starting late 19th century. But then revolutions started (in 1905).

    Ukrainians need to own up to some of their Russification. While some of it was clearly cruel and colonial, part of it is their own fault. Kharkiv was Ukrainian speaking in 1930s-40s. Clearly, many Ukrainians were lured into switching to Russian and having their kids speak Russian as their first language, why they did it is not fully clear. This is something that the Baltic people did not do, despite heavy Russification policies. It might have to do with the closeness of the languages maybe (or I may be entirely wrong - I don't have enough info on what happened, except reasons such as "higher education was in Russian", well, then why wasn't it in Ukrainian?).


    they also inherited angry Latvians when they took land from Sweden
     
    Most Balts were good peaceful subjects, the problem was the war.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @AP

    It seems Scandinavians ruled much of Europe. I have recently talked with some Scots, who made me aware that even Scottish independence movement wasn't always fully Scottish since people like Robert the Bruce were actually Norman. Thus the Norman conquest of the British Isles is the defining factor for UK history, even if often forgotten.

    Perhaps due to this reason, these guys were strongly anti-British, to the point of quoting some "Lizzy in the box" memes from the funeral of Elisabeth II (memes which the British TV certainly did not relay to us, continentals).

    Replies: @songbird

  803. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Original Russia was deadly wounded during the Raskol and the Time of Troubles, due to that wound, the Romanov dynasty the ancestor of which came from Prussia and who rapidly intermarried with German princely houses, could build a Russian Empire in which, the majority of the aristocratic elites were not ethnic Russians, and Jews in their Pale of Settlement had more civic rights than ethnic Russian serfs.

    I deeply love Saint Petersburg, but I don't forget that it was built on bones, blood and sweat of the Russian muzhik. That it was the siege of power of a self-colonizing Empire managed by an European elite to extract the riches from the soil and the populace of natives.

    Russian muszhik serfs were no better treated in their own lands than Indian Shudra were treated in the British Raj India. Actually, the Shudra probably had a better life. Both colonized people were ruthlessly exploited and both were also used as cannon fodder in the colonial wars.

    Ans I am not the only one to say that RusFed is not related to Russia, the former president of RusFed, Dmitry Medvedyev said "we are a very young country" and he was absolutely right. That is the reason that the Noviop had trampled the 1993 patriotic uprising, to build the crap they built from scratch with too much patriotic guidance. They built another colonial extractive regime under the Globalist influence and called it the Russian Federation, just like the Romanovs called theirs Russian Empire. That is hiding the exploitative class behind the large Russian muzhik's back. But the muzhik is getting tired of it all and is stopping breeding. The land is emptying up and is filled with the Central Asian and the Caucasus immigrants instead. Will they still call it Russian when Babazhon is the President, Dzhamshud is the prime minister and Rezvan is the minister of defense?

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry

    When you have to refer to Dima as an authority for your argument, there’s a problem.

    Денег нет, но мы держимся

  804. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    The Revolution was inevitable because of the agrarian question and the deep resentment the Russian muzhik came to feel against the baré. The populace rejected the ruling class as a foreign body that the elite certainly was, only to be saddled with an even more foreign and ruthless Bolshevik pseudo-elite.

    Replies: @AP

    The Revolution was inevitable because of the agrarian question and the deep resentment the Russian muzhik came to feel against the baré.

    Unrest of some sort would have been expected, but the Revolution succeeded because Russia swallowed the poison pill of Polish-Ukrainian lands and thereby gained a population of smart Jewish people hungry for power (they also inherited angry Latvians when they took land from Sweden), who would not have achieved power in Poland-Ukraine itself but who plugged into the Russian matrix (in which native Slavs are almost always ruled by foreigners) they managed to achieve a measure of power in Moscow, by (alongside Georgian, and multinational Lenin) overthrowing and replacing the largely German elites. A tragedy obviously, because by the time of the overthrow the German elites had become softer and kinder overlords to their Slavs than their ancestors such as the cruel Catherine had been,.

    Having taken power in Russia first, only then by using Russian servant-forces they were able to establish their rule over Ukraine too.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    The Revolution succeeded also because the British and the French backstabbed their Russian Imperial allies, while the German and American interests also favored the dismantling of the Russian Empire. US (((bankers))) gladly financed Trotsky, while the Germans gladly financed Lenin. But iy were the pro-British/French democratic (actually masonic) circles that toppled the Tsar in February 1917. So French and British are the primary culprits. And they paid the price of their treason: the war was prolonged for another year and if not for the American intervention, Germany would have won the war. GermanWW1 victory timeline is actually preferable to the one we find ourselves in today.

    Replies: @AP

  805. @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Well, we both know that by the end of the Soviet Union, the Moscow nomenklatura was in great part made of southern Russian and Ukrainian clans. Especially the clan of Dneprpetrovsk, to which belonged Brezhnev.

    We also both know that the Ukrainian SSR had its own Communist Party:


    Коммунисти́ческая па́ртия Украи́ны (КПУ) (укр. Комуністи́чна па́ртія Украї́ни), до 1952 года Коммунисти́ческая па́ртия (большевико́в) Украи́ны (КП(б)У) (укр. Комуністи́чна па́ртія (більшовиків) Украї́ни) — украинская политическая партия. Существовала с 3—5 декабря 1917 года по 30 августа 1991 года. Была одной из крупнейших партийных организаций Коммунистической партии Советского Союза и правящей партией в Украинской Советской Социалистической Республике. При ЦК КП Украины действовали Институт проблем социализма и Партийная школа
     
    That it also had its own autonomous KGB:

    Комите́т госуда́рственной безопа́сности Украинской ССР (КГБ Украинской ССР, укр. Комітет державної безпеки Української РСР) — центральный республиканский орган государственного управления Украинской ССР. В сфере обеспечения государственной безопасности, действовавший с 1954 по 1991 год.
     
    That it was represented in the United Nations :

    4 февраля 1945 года открылся саммит в Ялте. 6 февраля нарком иностранных дел СССР Вячеслав Молотов внёс опережающее предложение о принятии в ООН отдельно от СССР всего трёх его союзных республик – Украины, Белоруссии и Литвы. Это было мотивировано со стороны СССР, по воспоминаниям Черчилля, тем, что эти республики «понесли большие жертвы в войне, первыми подверглись нападению и сильно пострадали». Причём сразу было оговорено, что СССР согласен и на отдельное принятие в ООН только двух советских республик. Тем самым практически сразу круг кандидатов на самостоятельное вхождение в ООН из состава СССР был очерчен только Украиной и Белоруссией.
     
    While, Russian Federation SSR had no Russian Rebuplican Communist Party, instead having the Soviet Union Communist Party, it had no Russian Republic KGB, but had the Union KGB and of course was not represented in the UN, instead being represented as one among many Soviet Socialist Republics by the USSR delegation.

    When the time came to create the FSB in post-Soviet time, its first director was the former head of the Ukrainian SSR KGB.

    So yeah, the Moskaly have often in their history been ruled by foreign elites, among which the Ukrainians had their share of power (Potyomkin, Rozumovskyi), and before them it were people who originally came from the PLC. Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.

    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol. What came after was gradually deprived of its Russian spirit until today it reached such a level of self alienation that people such as Putin, Shoigu, Kadyrov and Prigozhin are the public faces of the RusFed and its muscle too.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    That it was represented in the United Nations [..]

    Молотов внёс опережающее предложение о принятии в ООН отдельно от СССР всего трёх его союзных республик – Украины, Белоруссии и Литвы. Это было мотивировано со стороны СССР, по воспоминаниям Черчилля, тем, что эти республики «понесли большие жертвы в войне, первыми подверглись нападению и сильно пострадали».

    Interesting, didn’t know that Molotov also proposed to include Lithuania separately. Thanks for that tidbit. That is quite fair and a reasonable argument, as these were the places that the Nazis attacked first, so in that sense he made a good point.

    Afaik, Ukraine also had a non-permanent seat in the UN Security Council, and Podolyak is now saying that Ukraine should remind the UN of that even though Russia alone inherited that seat. If they start fighting over that, it could be a huge diplomatic mess. I’ve even heard suggestions that they want to challenge that status and use these historical circumstances to rid Russia of this seat and propose that it’d be offered to other global players (such as some Arab states). This is probably too far fetched and things will most likely not get that far. But this is just another indication how these recent events have opened up a lot of revisionism.

    Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.

    The problem is that during the Civil War era, and all the following decades, of course, many Ukrainians who opposed the Soviet power were stomped out mercilessly. This happened as early as in 1918 (during events such as the Battle of Kruty, where Ukrainians were in fact attacked in their own capital, by a multi-ethnic Soviet army, led by an ethnic Russian and an ethnic Latvian).

    Putin, Shoigu, Kadyrov and Prigozhin are the public faces of the RusFed

    Don’t forget the likes of bobroyedka Simonyan. The problem is that when it comes to ethnic Russians, they are actually divided, there are those who go along with this Noviop state or at least accept it passively and those who don’t view it as fully theirs and, frankly, whose identity really is different from those mentioned above.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    The problem is that when it comes to ethnic Russians, they are actually divided, there are those who go along with this Noviop state or at least accept it passively and those who don’t view it as fully theirs and, frankly, whose identity really is different from those mentioned above.
     
    It's the same thing in the West where most normies go along whatever their propaganda teaches them. However, in RusFed at least some Russians are awake enough to write something along the lines of:

    https://www.libex.ru/detail/book860041.html

    Interestingly, Arestovitch seems to have read the book.

    https://youtu.be/ClYeySohKhk

    And yeah, I have recently learned that he is keenly interested in Trika Shaivism. He has a very good grasp on its co concepts and practical applications.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Shaivism

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Ukraine also had a non-permanent seat in the UN Security Council, and Podolyak is now saying that Ukraine

     

    Ukraine's economy before war, was the same size as Ethiopia. It's even more strange than Russia there (economy same size as Brazil).

    likes of bobroyedka Simonyan.

     

    Simonyan is not a journalist with their own view, it's a government spokesperson. It's like the unattractive version of Jen Psaki.

    ethnic Russians, they are actually divided, there are those who go along with this Noviop
     
    This theory doesn't not match the reality, but opposite of ordinary situation in the country.

    Minority nationalities in Russia, on average, are more opposed to the war, than majorityu population.

    Most Russians support the war and imperialist ideology, while in places like Tatarstan the population is more sceptical. You see this even just talking to people in the forums.

    Of course, multinational business elite in Russia is most opposed to war and even in 2014, while almost mononational circle of security people with origin in KGB developed the war, with support of the majority of the public.

    Replies: @LatW

  806. @AP
    @Dmitry


    Stalin begins with the most undeveloped country, ends with world’s most powerful land army, superpower controls half of Europe and has succeeded any impossible dreams of the Russian empire like panslavism
     
    Russia in 1910 was not as undeveloped as you imagine. Karlin had described it in detail in past posts.

    In 1905 Russia lost a war to Japan, but in 1914-1917 it defeated Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire at the same time, while losing less territory to Germany than Stalin did. So there was considerable improvement. It collapsed due to internal revolution; the Tsar had not been cruel enough to kill potential troublemakers.

    Industrialization and spread of mass education were happening at a quick pace. Etc.

    There is no reason to think those things would not have been achieved by a non-Soviet Russia, which would have had tens of millions of additional people.

    Stalin squandered the civilizational capital that Russia had been building up.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Yevardian, @LatW

    Industrialization and spread of mass education were happening at a quick pace. Etc.

    There is no reason to think those things would not have been achieved by a non-Soviet Russia, which would have had tens of millions of additional people.

    Stalin squandered the civilizational capital that Russia had been building up.

    Lenin, Trotsky and other Old Bolsheviks did that. Stalin played no role in the 1917 Revolution/Coup and didn’t become a major player until Lenin became seriously ill.

    I would say from a purely geopolitical standpoint, Stalin did extremely well in expanding Soviet power and influence, starting from the very weak position the USSR was in on Lenin’s death. If for example Trotsky, or worse, Brezhnev-style comittee leadership, succeeded Lenin, I think there’s a much higher probability that the USSR would not have survived the 30s and 40s.

    Stalin’s agreements with Hitler were rational enough. Litvinov’s pro-Western policy didn’t go anyway, and it’s not as if Poland or the Baltic states would have ever sided with Russia against Germany anyway.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    it’s not as if Poland or the Baltic states would have ever sided with Russia against Germany anyway.
     
    Maybe, but is there a reason to believe they would have sided with Germany, instead of trying to remain neutral? Regarding Poland we know that the country rejected German offers of alliance against the Soviet Union. Nor do I see any reason to believe the Baltic states would have become German allies (Latvian nationalism certainly had traditionally had an anti-German edge, and Lithuania had been forced to cede the Memel area to Germany in March 1939).
    Stalin's territorial expansion in 1940 also turned Finland and Romania into German allies and actual participants in Barbarossa. Much less likely they would have done so, if they hadn't hoped to regain lost territory.
    Really baffles me how anybody can regard Stalin's actions in 1939-1941 as an example of brilliant statesmanship.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  807. @AP
    @Dmitry


    Stalin begins with the most undeveloped country, ends with world’s most powerful land army, superpower controls half of Europe and has succeeded any impossible dreams of the Russian empire like panslavism
     
    Russia in 1910 was not as undeveloped as you imagine. Karlin had described it in detail in past posts.

    In 1905 Russia lost a war to Japan, but in 1914-1917 it defeated Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire at the same time, while losing less territory to Germany than Stalin did. So there was considerable improvement. It collapsed due to internal revolution; the Tsar had not been cruel enough to kill potential troublemakers.

    Industrialization and spread of mass education were happening at a quick pace. Etc.

    There is no reason to think those things would not have been achieved by a non-Soviet Russia, which would have had tens of millions of additional people.

    Stalin squandered the civilizational capital that Russia had been building up.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Yevardian, @LatW

    It collapsed due to internal revolution; the Tsar had not been cruel enough to kill potential troublemakers.

    It may have been that the Tsar may not have been able to control things, because the whole spectrum of these new ideas had been spreading for a long time already and widely, including in the upper classes. Some people identified as “democrats” in the beginning of the 20th century (from social democrat), not necessarily as straight up communists. And, of course, active social democrats were exiled.

    Industrialization and spread of mass education were happening at a quick pace. Etc.

    That was probably one of the reasons for the Revolution – maybe the urbanization was happening too fast, every baba had 7 kids and of those who remained alive, all of them rushed into the cities. At the same time, there were not enough highways in Imperial Russia.

    As to Stalin becoming so successful, one of the reasons for that is because the West helped him.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    What was the urban percentage in Russia in 1914? Just how much higher relative to 1897 was it?

  808. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @AP


    Industrialization and spread of mass education were happening at a quick pace. Etc.

    There is no reason to think those things would not have been achieved by a non-Soviet Russia, which would have had tens of millions of additional people.

    Stalin squandered the civilizational capital that Russia had been building up.
     

    Lenin, Trotsky and other Old Bolsheviks did that. Stalin played no role in the 1917 Revolution/Coup and didn't become a major player until Lenin became seriously ill.

    I would say from a purely geopolitical standpoint, Stalin did extremely well in expanding Soviet power and influence, starting from the very weak position the USSR was in on Lenin's death. If for example Trotsky, or worse, Brezhnev-style comittee leadership, succeeded Lenin, I think there's a much higher probability that the USSR would not have survived the 30s and 40s.

    Stalin's agreements with Hitler were rational enough. Litvinov's pro-Western policy didn't go anyway, and it's not as if Poland or the Baltic states would have ever sided with Russia against Germany anyway.

    Replies: @German_reader

    it’s not as if Poland or the Baltic states would have ever sided with Russia against Germany anyway.

    Maybe, but is there a reason to believe they would have sided with Germany, instead of trying to remain neutral? Regarding Poland we know that the country rejected German offers of alliance against the Soviet Union. Nor do I see any reason to believe the Baltic states would have become German allies (Latvian nationalism certainly had traditionally had an anti-German edge, and Lithuania had been forced to cede the Memel area to Germany in March 1939).
    Stalin’s territorial expansion in 1940 also turned Finland and Romania into German allies and actual participants in Barbarossa. Much less likely they would have done so, if they hadn’t hoped to regain lost territory.
    Really baffles me how anybody can regard Stalin’s actions in 1939-1941 as an example of brilliant statesmanship.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    I have a question for you: Do you think that the realists who argue that the West should throw Ukraine under the Russian bus so that the West can weaponize Russia against China (or at least try to do so) would have argued that the West should throw Poland, the Baltics, Finland, and Romania under the bus back in 1939 (had these realists actually been alive and already adults back then) so that the West should be able to establish an anti-Nazi alliance together with the Soviet Union?

    Replies: @Matra, @German_reader

  809. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Well, we both know that by the end of the Soviet Union, the Moscow nomenklatura was in great part made of southern Russian and Ukrainian clans. Especially the clan of Dneprpetrovsk, to which belonged Brezhnev.
     
    Brezhnev was an ethnic Russian. But yes - the end of the USSR was the only time when Russia was ruled by ethnic Russians.

    We also both know that the Ukrainian SSR had its own Communist Party
     
    Which was brought to Ukraine and imposed upon Ukraine by Bolshevik Russia. Which killed millions of Ukrainians.

    That it was represented in the United Nations
     
    Another vote for Moscow. It always voted as Moscow did.

    While, Russian Federation SSR had no Russian Rebuplican Communist Party, instead having the Soviet Union Communist Party, it had no Russian Republic KGB, but had the Union KGB
     
    Soviet Union itself was a grotesque recombination of the Russian Empire. Russian Empire also can be said not to have been "Russian." It had a German ruling family, and an aristocracy full of Germans, Tatar, etc. families.

    So yeah, the Moskaly have often in their history been ruled by foreign elites, among which the Ukrainians had their share of power (Potyomkin, Rozumovskyi)
     
    And Bezborodko. But none of them really had power. Rozumovsky was easily forced into retirement by the German Catherine II.

    Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.
     
    Ukraine got stuck under Moscow/Saint Petersburg as a consequence of Khmelnytsky's treason. What did it mean to be stuck under Moscow? It meant native local Slavic elites losing power, and sharing with Russians the fate of having cruel German, Georgian, Jewish etc. masters. The people who enserfed their Slavic subjects (the German Catherine), or starved millions of them to death (the Georgian Stalin and his Jewish underlings). If Russia conquered Ukraine and united the two countries, creatures like Kadyrov would have power over Ukrainians as they do over Russians.

    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol
     
    The genuine Russia you speak of had an elite full of Tatar origin and Norse (Rurikid) origin families. Why does the phenomenon of being ruled by those foreign-origin elites make it "genuine Russia" while being ruled by the Germans who followed, and after that the Georgians and Russian-speaking Jews, make it not genuine Russia?

    The Soviet regime did far more to Russify Ukraine linguistically than the Tsars ever did.

    Replies: @LatW, @Another Polish Perspective

    The Soviet regime did far more to Russify Ukraine linguistically than the Tsars ever did.

    Had the Tsars had more time and had their circumstances been more stable, they would’ve done it as well. They had set out to do it already starting late 19th century. But then revolutions started (in 1905).

    Ukrainians need to own up to some of their Russification. While some of it was clearly cruel and colonial, part of it is their own fault. Kharkiv was Ukrainian speaking in 1930s-40s. Clearly, many Ukrainians were lured into switching to Russian and having their kids speak Russian as their first language, why they did it is not fully clear. This is something that the Baltic people did not do, despite heavy Russification policies. It might have to do with the closeness of the languages maybe (or I may be entirely wrong – I don’t have enough info on what happened, except reasons such as “higher education was in Russian”, well, then why wasn’t it in Ukrainian?).

    they also inherited angry Latvians when they took land from Sweden

    Most Balts were good peaceful subjects, the problem was the war.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Kharkiv was almost half-Russian back in 1989, no? Maybe that also helped convince some of the Ukrainians in Kharkiv to speak Russian instead of Ukrainian?

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    I don’t have enough info on what happened, except reasons such as “higher education was in Russian”, well, then why wasn’t it in Ukrainian?).
     
    Doesn't the language policy in the Kharkiv school system that resulted in the use of the Russian language within its curriculum convincingly point to the intense Russification within Ukraine? Of course, the proximity of Kharkiv to Moscow would also point to a greater success in pulling this off than in other parts of Ukraine.

    Replies: @LatW

  810. German_reader says:

    Looks like Ukrainian troops (at least some of them) have trouble effectively utilizing their Western tanks (the following is from a pro-Ukrainian account, so no pro-Russian bias):

    [MORE]

    Maybe not surprising. The training period was just too short, so crews are falling back on the tactics they know from Soviet models.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    I wouldn't worry too much. These initial small probes ino Russian controlled territory will provide enough information to be useful for the full on Ukrainian counter attack to help minimize any future losses. But losses there will be, and who will suffer the most is still to be seen.

    , @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    The Westtards are coping by blaming the Ukrainians. The real issue is that what the Ukrainians are being asked to do is impossible. Despite not even having anything approaching parity in the air, the Ukrainians are attacking fully manned, fully prepared, modern defensive lines. This is something that no NATO force has EVER done.

    US arrogance caused this massacre

  811. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    it’s not as if Poland or the Baltic states would have ever sided with Russia against Germany anyway.
     
    Maybe, but is there a reason to believe they would have sided with Germany, instead of trying to remain neutral? Regarding Poland we know that the country rejected German offers of alliance against the Soviet Union. Nor do I see any reason to believe the Baltic states would have become German allies (Latvian nationalism certainly had traditionally had an anti-German edge, and Lithuania had been forced to cede the Memel area to Germany in March 1939).
    Stalin's territorial expansion in 1940 also turned Finland and Romania into German allies and actual participants in Barbarossa. Much less likely they would have done so, if they hadn't hoped to regain lost territory.
    Really baffles me how anybody can regard Stalin's actions in 1939-1941 as an example of brilliant statesmanship.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I have a question for you: Do you think that the realists who argue that the West should throw Ukraine under the Russian bus so that the West can weaponize Russia against China (or at least try to do so) would have argued that the West should throw Poland, the Baltics, Finland, and Romania under the bus back in 1939 (had these realists actually been alive and already adults back then) so that the West should be able to establish an anti-Nazi alliance together with the Soviet Union?

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Mr. XYZ


    would have argued that the West should throw Poland, the Baltics, Finland, and Romania under the bus back in 1939 (had these realists actually been alive and already adults back then) so that the West should be able to establish an anti-Nazi alliance together with the Soviet Union?
     
    Most realists would argue that there needed to be an alliance against expansionist Germany as it was upsetting the balance of power. They would say Russia taking the Donbass is irrelevant to the US's world position.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    have argued that the West should throw Poland, the Baltics, Finland, and Romania under the bus back in 1939
     
    Did Britain and France declare war on the Soviet Union as a result of Soviet encroachments on those countries? Does anybody in his right mind claim they should have (except maybe people who want to sell books, like Sean McMeekin)?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  812. @LatW
    @AP


    The Soviet regime did far more to Russify Ukraine linguistically than the Tsars ever did.
     
    Had the Tsars had more time and had their circumstances been more stable, they would've done it as well. They had set out to do it already starting late 19th century. But then revolutions started (in 1905).

    Ukrainians need to own up to some of their Russification. While some of it was clearly cruel and colonial, part of it is their own fault. Kharkiv was Ukrainian speaking in 1930s-40s. Clearly, many Ukrainians were lured into switching to Russian and having their kids speak Russian as their first language, why they did it is not fully clear. This is something that the Baltic people did not do, despite heavy Russification policies. It might have to do with the closeness of the languages maybe (or I may be entirely wrong - I don't have enough info on what happened, except reasons such as "higher education was in Russian", well, then why wasn't it in Ukrainian?).


    they also inherited angry Latvians when they took land from Sweden
     
    Most Balts were good peaceful subjects, the problem was the war.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

    Kharkiv was almost half-Russian back in 1989, no? Maybe that also helped convince some of the Ukrainians in Kharkiv to speak Russian instead of Ukrainian?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Kharkiv was almost half-Russian back in 1989, no? Maybe that also helped convince some of the Ukrainians in Kharkiv to speak Russian instead of Ukrainian?
     
    I was talking about the period before 1945. I've seen footage of Kharkiv in the 1940s under the German occupation and the signs on the streets and stores were in Ukrainian, not Russian. So the question is what language was most commonly spoken there in let's say 1930s, 40s and early 50s? What was the proportion of Ukrainian and Russian then?

    By 1989, it was heavily Russified of course, the question is why did they switch the language instead of just remaining bilingual. In a way they stayed bilingual, because it is quite easy for them to switch back to Ukrainian, but why did they switch to Russian in such large numbers, in Kyiv as well. I understand there may have been both pressure and incentives, but it still puzzles me. I grew up in a town that was 60% Russophone, but it would have never occurred to me to switch to Russian with family and non-Russophone friends or in public life in general. It's weird. Maybe these days English is that way in some cases, where people use English in business, but they don't use it at home or among friends.

    Replies: @QCIC

  813. @LatW
    @AP


    It collapsed due to internal revolution; the Tsar had not been cruel enough to kill potential troublemakers.
     
    It may have been that the Tsar may not have been able to control things, because the whole spectrum of these new ideas had been spreading for a long time already and widely, including in the upper classes. Some people identified as "democrats" in the beginning of the 20th century (from social democrat), not necessarily as straight up communists. And, of course, active social democrats were exiled.

    Industrialization and spread of mass education were happening at a quick pace. Etc.
     

    That was probably one of the reasons for the Revolution - maybe the urbanization was happening too fast, every baba had 7 kids and of those who remained alive, all of them rushed into the cities. At the same time, there were not enough highways in Imperial Russia.

    As to Stalin becoming so successful, one of the reasons for that is because the West helped him.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    What was the urban percentage in Russia in 1914? Just how much higher relative to 1897 was it?

  814. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Kharkiv was almost half-Russian back in 1989, no? Maybe that also helped convince some of the Ukrainians in Kharkiv to speak Russian instead of Ukrainian?

    Replies: @LatW

    Kharkiv was almost half-Russian back in 1989, no? Maybe that also helped convince some of the Ukrainians in Kharkiv to speak Russian instead of Ukrainian?

    I was talking about the period before 1945. I’ve seen footage of Kharkiv in the 1940s under the German occupation and the signs on the streets and stores were in Ukrainian, not Russian. So the question is what language was most commonly spoken there in let’s say 1930s, 40s and early 50s? What was the proportion of Ukrainian and Russian then?

    By 1989, it was heavily Russified of course, the question is why did they switch the language instead of just remaining bilingual. In a way they stayed bilingual, because it is quite easy for them to switch back to Ukrainian, but why did they switch to Russian in such large numbers, in Kyiv as well. I understand there may have been both pressure and incentives, but it still puzzles me. I grew up in a town that was 60% Russophone, but it would have never occurred to me to switch to Russian with family and non-Russophone friends or in public life in general. It’s weird. Maybe these days English is that way in some cases, where people use English in business, but they don’t use it at home or among friends.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    I assume this language shift would have happened naturally from 1950-1990 because the industrial base of Ukraine grew enormously as part of the Soviet Union. Technical, scientific and industrial ventures are more efficient with a shared language. This doesn't effect farmers, miners and shop keepers but is important for their kids who are growing up in the modernized economic reality.

    Replies: @LatW

  815. @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Well, we both know that by the end of the Soviet Union, the Moscow nomenklatura was in great part made of southern Russian and Ukrainian clans. Especially the clan of Dneprpetrovsk, to which belonged Brezhnev.

    We also both know that the Ukrainian SSR had its own Communist Party:


    Коммунисти́ческая па́ртия Украи́ны (КПУ) (укр. Комуністи́чна па́ртія Украї́ни), до 1952 года Коммунисти́ческая па́ртия (большевико́в) Украи́ны (КП(б)У) (укр. Комуністи́чна па́ртія (більшовиків) Украї́ни) — украинская политическая партия. Существовала с 3—5 декабря 1917 года по 30 августа 1991 года. Была одной из крупнейших партийных организаций Коммунистической партии Советского Союза и правящей партией в Украинской Советской Социалистической Республике. При ЦК КП Украины действовали Институт проблем социализма и Партийная школа
     
    That it also had its own autonomous KGB:

    Комите́т госуда́рственной безопа́сности Украинской ССР (КГБ Украинской ССР, укр. Комітет державної безпеки Української РСР) — центральный республиканский орган государственного управления Украинской ССР. В сфере обеспечения государственной безопасности, действовавший с 1954 по 1991 год.
     
    That it was represented in the United Nations :

    4 февраля 1945 года открылся саммит в Ялте. 6 февраля нарком иностранных дел СССР Вячеслав Молотов внёс опережающее предложение о принятии в ООН отдельно от СССР всего трёх его союзных республик – Украины, Белоруссии и Литвы. Это было мотивировано со стороны СССР, по воспоминаниям Черчилля, тем, что эти республики «понесли большие жертвы в войне, первыми подверглись нападению и сильно пострадали». Причём сразу было оговорено, что СССР согласен и на отдельное принятие в ООН только двух советских республик. Тем самым практически сразу круг кандидатов на самостоятельное вхождение в ООН из состава СССР был очерчен только Украиной и Белоруссией.
     
    While, Russian Federation SSR had no Russian Rebuplican Communist Party, instead having the Soviet Union Communist Party, it had no Russian Republic KGB, but had the Union KGB and of course was not represented in the UN, instead being represented as one among many Soviet Socialist Republics by the USSR delegation.

    When the time came to create the FSB in post-Soviet time, its first director was the former head of the Ukrainian SSR KGB.

    So yeah, the Moskaly have often in their history been ruled by foreign elites, among which the Ukrainians had their share of power (Potyomkin, Rozumovskyi), and before them it were people who originally came from the PLC. Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.

    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol. What came after was gradually deprived of its Russian spirit until today it reached such a level of self alienation that people such as Putin, Shoigu, Kadyrov and Prigozhin are the public faces of the RusFed and its muscle too.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.

    Could you expand a bit on this? I’d be curious to know how you would characterize the relationship between Russia and Ukraine for most of their historic encounters? If a country’s major political, economic, cultural, language and religious policies are all closely monitored and approved or disapproved in a neighboring country’s capital city, what would be a more accurate way to describe their relationship than colonizer/colonized?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    The relationship of the Velikoross and the Rusyn/Maloross was similar to the relationship of the Northern (langue d'oil) French and the Southern (langue d'oc) French. The only difference is that France managed to unify these distinct regional identities, while the Russian Empire failed. It failed mainly because it didn't really care about the cultural identification of the exploited masses, just like the British Raj didn't care whether someone self identified as Gurkha or as Punjabi as long as they remained obedient and useful subjects to the Empire.

    Now, about korenizatsia, it was not done to placate minorities, but to weaken the Velikoross ethnic majority and prevent the emergence (or perhaps the resurgence) of the Great Russian Chauvinism. In Ukraine, by the time of the Revolution, the townsfolk spoke Russian with some regional particularities (for example the Odessite way of speaking Russian was heavily influenced by Yiddish). The countryside spoke Ukrainian. The industrial regions such as Donbass spoke both and had mixes populations and people of mixed backgrounds such as my grandfather who was born somewhere between Debaltsevo and Yenakievo in the family of a middle class artisan and was raised in a bilingual milieu. He had never recognized any sizeable differences between (Southern) Russians and (Eastern) Ukrainian populations. I think he was entirely right, Kursk and Belgorod people are largely of exactly the same stock as the people on the other side of the border. Speaking Russian was a sign of higher education and greater social mobility. Speaking Ukrainian was seen as the manner to demonstrate one's roots, my grandfather did both, had a great career and achievements in his field and never had to renege on his roots unlike those ethnic Russians who happen to live in Ukraine today.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  816. @LatW
    @AP


    The Soviet regime did far more to Russify Ukraine linguistically than the Tsars ever did.
     
    Had the Tsars had more time and had their circumstances been more stable, they would've done it as well. They had set out to do it already starting late 19th century. But then revolutions started (in 1905).

    Ukrainians need to own up to some of their Russification. While some of it was clearly cruel and colonial, part of it is their own fault. Kharkiv was Ukrainian speaking in 1930s-40s. Clearly, many Ukrainians were lured into switching to Russian and having their kids speak Russian as their first language, why they did it is not fully clear. This is something that the Baltic people did not do, despite heavy Russification policies. It might have to do with the closeness of the languages maybe (or I may be entirely wrong - I don't have enough info on what happened, except reasons such as "higher education was in Russian", well, then why wasn't it in Ukrainian?).


    they also inherited angry Latvians when they took land from Sweden
     
    Most Balts were good peaceful subjects, the problem was the war.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

    I don’t have enough info on what happened, except reasons such as “higher education was in Russian”, well, then why wasn’t it in Ukrainian?).

    Doesn’t the language policy in the Kharkiv school system that resulted in the use of the Russian language within its curriculum convincingly point to the intense Russification within Ukraine? Of course, the proximity of Kharkiv to Moscow would also point to a greater success in pulling this off than in other parts of Ukraine.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    Doesn’t the language policy in the Kharkiv school system that resulted in the use of the Russian language within its curriculum convincingly point to the intense Russification within Ukraine?
     
    Do you know what it was like in detail? And how it had been before the war and how it changed exactly. If you don't have the info, I can try finding it myself, but I'm really curious as to what happened there. Kharkiv used to be the first capital of Ukraine, right? Obviously, it being an industrial center must have played a role, too.

    Of course, the proximity of Kharkiv to Moscow would also point to a greater success in pulling this off than in other parts of Ukraine.
     
    Actually, the physical proximity is not that different from the Baltic states, it is something like 700kms vs 900-1000kms. But of course Ukraine was in the SU much earlier, so that is a critical difference.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  817. @German_reader
    Looks like Ukrainian troops (at least some of them) have trouble effectively utilizing their Western tanks (the following is from a pro-Ukrainian account, so no pro-Russian bias):

    https://twitter.com/WAJKoenitz/status/1667243300355448868

    Maybe not surprising. The training period was just too short, so crews are falling back on the tactics they know from Soviet models.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Greasy William

    I wouldn’t worry too much. These initial small probes ino Russian controlled territory will provide enough information to be useful for the full on Ukrainian counter attack to help minimize any future losses. But losses there will be, and who will suffer the most is still to be seen.

  818. Johnny Miller sums it up well.

    “Those in favour of weapons to Ukraine, rather than promoting peace, are sending Ukrainian men to their deaths for a forlorn and failed proxy war. This was clear from the beginning…”

    I still see demonic neocons and other neoliberals talking about the goal is just to kill Russians, and all that implies about them.

  819. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    I don’t have enough info on what happened, except reasons such as “higher education was in Russian”, well, then why wasn’t it in Ukrainian?).
     
    Doesn't the language policy in the Kharkiv school system that resulted in the use of the Russian language within its curriculum convincingly point to the intense Russification within Ukraine? Of course, the proximity of Kharkiv to Moscow would also point to a greater success in pulling this off than in other parts of Ukraine.

    Replies: @LatW

    Doesn’t the language policy in the Kharkiv school system that resulted in the use of the Russian language within its curriculum convincingly point to the intense Russification within Ukraine?

    Do you know what it was like in detail? And how it had been before the war and how it changed exactly. If you don’t have the info, I can try finding it myself, but I’m really curious as to what happened there. Kharkiv used to be the first capital of Ukraine, right? Obviously, it being an industrial center must have played a role, too.

    Of course, the proximity of Kharkiv to Moscow would also point to a greater success in pulling this off than in other parts of Ukraine.

    Actually, the physical proximity is not that different from the Baltic states, it is something like 700kms vs 900-1000kms. But of course Ukraine was in the SU much earlier, so that is a critical difference.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    Sorry, I can't provide you with the exact information that you're looking for. But I'm sure that the overall story of Ukrainian cities being a magnet for obtaining jobs had a lot to do with it. Coupled with the migration of ethnic Russians, Jews etc to these larger cities, who were already accustomed to using the Russian language as a lingua/franca had a lot to do with it. Government offices no doubt communicated with the central unifying force in Moscow in Russian, also must have had a lot to do with it.

    Replies: @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

  820. @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    Doesn’t the language policy in the Kharkiv school system that resulted in the use of the Russian language within its curriculum convincingly point to the intense Russification within Ukraine?
     
    Do you know what it was like in detail? And how it had been before the war and how it changed exactly. If you don't have the info, I can try finding it myself, but I'm really curious as to what happened there. Kharkiv used to be the first capital of Ukraine, right? Obviously, it being an industrial center must have played a role, too.

    Of course, the proximity of Kharkiv to Moscow would also point to a greater success in pulling this off than in other parts of Ukraine.
     
    Actually, the physical proximity is not that different from the Baltic states, it is something like 700kms vs 900-1000kms. But of course Ukraine was in the SU much earlier, so that is a critical difference.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Sorry, I can’t provide you with the exact information that you’re looking for. But I’m sure that the overall story of Ukrainian cities being a magnet for obtaining jobs had a lot to do with it. Coupled with the migration of ethnic Russians, Jews etc to these larger cities, who were already accustomed to using the Russian language as a lingua/franca had a lot to do with it. Government offices no doubt communicated with the central unifying force in Moscow in Russian, also must have had a lot to do with it.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. Hack

    Well, that's how it was everywhere, in somewhat sizable cities. Either way, it's an impressive city, I wish it only more strength during these times. 🙏

    Btw, some folks in Belgorod still speak Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack


    Politically and culturally, the nativization policy aimed to eliminate Russian domination and culture in Soviet republics where ethnic Russians did not constitute a majority. This policy was implemented even in areas with large Russian-speaking populations; for instance, all children in Ukraine were taught in the Ukrainian language in school. The policies of korenizatsiia facilitated the Communist Party's establishment of the local languages in government and education, in publishing, in culture, and in public life. In that manner, the cadre of the local Communist Party were promoted to every level of government, and ethnic Russians working in said governments were required to learn the local language and culture of the given Soviet republic.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenizatsiia

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  821. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    Sorry, I can't provide you with the exact information that you're looking for. But I'm sure that the overall story of Ukrainian cities being a magnet for obtaining jobs had a lot to do with it. Coupled with the migration of ethnic Russians, Jews etc to these larger cities, who were already accustomed to using the Russian language as a lingua/franca had a lot to do with it. Government offices no doubt communicated with the central unifying force in Moscow in Russian, also must have had a lot to do with it.

    Replies: @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

    Well, that’s how it was everywhere, in somewhat sizable cities. Either way, it’s an impressive city, I wish it only more strength during these times. 🙏

    Btw, some folks in Belgorod still speak Ukrainian.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Kharkov was very Jewish. Not as much as Odessa, but still quite Jewish nevertheless. And when given the chance, Odessite Jews moved to Moscow or abroad (reason why Brighton Beach was also sometimes called Little Odessa), while those Jews who preferred staying closer to their native places moved to Kharkov. Remember that prior to 1917 there were nearly no Jews in most Velikoross lands except for the 1st guild merchants, university students, converts to some Christian denomination (Lenin's maternal grandpa). They really flooded the Russian cities after the end of the Civil War. Also, at that time, if you were of non-proletarian Velikoross background you couldn't attend University, all other nationalities could, but not Russians. That's how my grandfather and his brothers got their entry into higher education, they were from Ukraine and those born after 1917, the two younger ones were identified as Ukrainian in their birth certificates, despite being of Russian, Ukrainian, and Orthodox Polish (Ruthenian from modern day Belarus) background and even having Sluzhivye Tatary ancestry on the Russian side. For the Communist they were Ukrainians. Korenization - indigenization and affirmative action against the Great Russian chauvinism. I posted the Wiki entry above for Mr Hack, check it out. Today's woke leftists didn't invent much, they just added the LGBTQ+ angle to debase the White middle class majority even more because they can't just shoot them outright as the Bolshevik did to the educated Russian social class, they need to work it on a few generations time instead. But the results would be similar: American and European Noviop-like people replacing the native ethnic groups in circles of power and breeding them out under the aporoving gaze of the Globalist. Fortunately for all those involved, they probably will not have a few generations time to complete their dirty work.

  822. @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    involve original contributions
     
    Very small "contributions" or modifications, so you can't even see those American writers in a normal book shop, just all the European writers.

    In terms of the transfer of the ideas, except in technical areas where America is leader, they import the ideas from Europe.

    I guess it's similar to relation of Greece and Rome. So, even many years after loss of Greece as an important power, the important ideas of the classical world are almost imported from Greece, until rise of Christianity in the region in 3rd/4th century.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Very small “contributions” or modifications, so you can’t even see those American writers in a normal book shop, just all the European writers.

    You do see plenty of copies of ‘White Fragility’, Judith Butler and bell hooks books in bookshops. Not sure how sales compare to Deleuze, Lacan and Foucault, but suspect Butler is set reading on more university courses at the moment and DiAngelo and other people like X Kendi are more mass market but modish.

    Some French academics set up their own version of Heterodox Academy to monitor the spread of ‘Anglo-Saxon communitarianism’:

    https://decolonialisme.fr/

    In terms of the transfer of the ideas, except in technical areas where America is leader, they import the ideas from Europe.

    I remember reading somewhere that Hegel believed that perhaps America was the future and would be capable of taking Spirit to a higher level than Prussia or any other European countries could, can’t remember where I saw it though.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    America was the future and would be capable of taking Spirit to a higher level than Prussia or any other European countries could
     
    Sure, it took it way higher, all the way to the Drag Queen story time.

    BTW, it's the Pride Month (just in case you didn't notice it already because you live in some very remote location)

    https://youtu.be/FTHf_eYcjHk

    Replies: @Coconuts

  823. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    Sorry, I can't provide you with the exact information that you're looking for. But I'm sure that the overall story of Ukrainian cities being a magnet for obtaining jobs had a lot to do with it. Coupled with the migration of ethnic Russians, Jews etc to these larger cities, who were already accustomed to using the Russian language as a lingua/franca had a lot to do with it. Government offices no doubt communicated with the central unifying force in Moscow in Russian, also must have had a lot to do with it.

    Replies: @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

    Politically and culturally, the nativization policy aimed to eliminate Russian domination and culture in Soviet republics where ethnic Russians did not constitute a majority. This policy was implemented even in areas with large Russian-speaking populations; for instance, all children in Ukraine were taught in the Ukrainian language in school. The policies of korenizatsiia facilitated the Communist Party’s establishment of the local languages in government and education, in publishing, in culture, and in public life. In that manner, the cadre of the local Communist Party were promoted to every level of government, and ethnic Russians working in said governments were required to learn the local language and culture of the given Soviet republic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenizatsiia

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    I would have thought that somebody of your high erudition and honesty would be fully aware that korenizatsiya was a stop/gap measure designed to appease the various nationalities within the SU, and that it was abandoned in the early 1930's?:


    As the 1930s progressed, the official version of history shifted to one where the Russian Empire had brought progress and civilization to backward peoples, and where for the first time former Russian tsars and military leaders could be portrayed as national heroes. Whereas previously nationality policy had discriminated against Russians and frequently denied them national rights allowed to others, now the superiority of the Russian culture and people was increasingly celebrated. This ideological shift was reflected on the ground in the partial abandonment of korenizatsiya policies from 1932 onward and an increasing dominance of Russians in the non-Russian regions. By the end of the decade all of the national leaders of the 1920s had been purged and in many cases replaced by Russians. The semiofficial position of Russian as the lingua franca of the Soviet Union was acknowledged by a law of 1938 that made the study of Russian as a second language compulsory in all non-Russian schools.
     
    https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/nationalities-policies-soviet

    And thus the slow but certain train of Russification began to spread its grasps everywhere within the SU. BTW, I was hoping that you would favor me with a reply to my comment #821?

    Replies: @QCIC

  824. @LatW
    @Mr. Hack

    Well, that's how it was everywhere, in somewhat sizable cities. Either way, it's an impressive city, I wish it only more strength during these times. 🙏

    Btw, some folks in Belgorod still speak Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Kharkov was very Jewish. Not as much as Odessa, but still quite Jewish nevertheless. And when given the chance, Odessite Jews moved to Moscow or abroad (reason why Brighton Beach was also sometimes called Little Odessa), while those Jews who preferred staying closer to their native places moved to Kharkov. Remember that prior to 1917 there were nearly no Jews in most Velikoross lands except for the 1st guild merchants, university students, converts to some Christian denomination (Lenin’s maternal grandpa). They really flooded the Russian cities after the end of the Civil War. Also, at that time, if you were of non-proletarian Velikoross background you couldn’t attend University, all other nationalities could, but not Russians. That’s how my grandfather and his brothers got their entry into higher education, they were from Ukraine and those born after 1917, the two younger ones were identified as Ukrainian in their birth certificates, despite being of Russian, Ukrainian, and Orthodox Polish (Ruthenian from modern day Belarus) background and even having Sluzhivye Tatary ancestry on the Russian side. For the Communist they were Ukrainians. Korenization – indigenization and affirmative action against the Great Russian chauvinism. I posted the Wiki entry above for Mr Hack, check it out. Today’s woke leftists didn’t invent much, they just added the LGBTQ+ angle to debase the White middle class majority even more because they can’t just shoot them outright as the Bolshevik did to the educated Russian social class, they need to work it on a few generations time instead. But the results would be similar: American and European Noviop-like people replacing the native ethnic groups in circles of power and breeding them out under the aporoving gaze of the Globalist. Fortunately for all those involved, they probably will not have a few generations time to complete their dirty work.

    • Thanks: S, QCIC
  825. @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    Very small “contributions” or modifications, so you can’t even see those American writers in a normal book shop, just all the European writers.
     
    You do see plenty of copies of 'White Fragility', Judith Butler and bell hooks books in bookshops. Not sure how sales compare to Deleuze, Lacan and Foucault, but suspect Butler is set reading on more university courses at the moment and DiAngelo and other people like X Kendi are more mass market but modish.

    Some French academics set up their own version of Heterodox Academy to monitor the spread of 'Anglo-Saxon communitarianism':

    https://decolonialisme.fr/


    In terms of the transfer of the ideas, except in technical areas where America is leader, they import the ideas from Europe.
     
    I remember reading somewhere that Hegel believed that perhaps America was the future and would be capable of taking Spirit to a higher level than Prussia or any other European countries could, can't remember where I saw it though.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    America was the future and would be capable of taking Spirit to a higher level than Prussia or any other European countries could

    Sure, it took it way higher, all the way to the Drag Queen story time.

    BTW, it’s the Pride Month (just in case you didn’t notice it already because you live in some very remote location)

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool

    There is indeed some irony in Hegel's idea when looked at from the present.

    I am just about out of the way enough to avoid gay pride but the UK is not big enough and social media is too present to manage it entirely.

    I hear some things that enthusiasm for it is starting to wane, but it makes you wonder what might come next.

  826. How long before the Americans blow this pipeline up?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @A123
    @Yahya


    How long before the Americans blow this pipeline up?
     
    How long will it take for Germany to order America to act? They will need a puppet like Not-The-President Biden to obtain the requisite slavish obedience. There is a good chance that America will refuse to obey the Reich.

    More likely, the German Green Party will do it and then go into full "Blame America" propaganda mode.

    Why is Progressive Europe incapable of taking responsibility for its own actions?

    PEACE 😇

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    They will not need blowing it, they would easily prevent the building of the pipeline by destabilizing MENA once again. For example, they might encourage Moroccan-Algerian war. They already do through Isreali meddling on the Moroccan side of the border.

  827. @Greasy William
    @QCIC

    I dislike all real engineers. I don't have a problem with civil engineers. Real engineers have a totally unjustified superiority complex. If you were really that smart, you would have become a mathematician or at least a physicist. Nobody respects engineers.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Real engineers have a totally unjustified superiority complex.

    Very strange to hear that. Can we be clear we are talking about actual engineers? Not IT “Engineers”, Fashion Engineers or whatever?

    The closest thing to what you are saying that I know of is, of course, Architects ( often dickheads, even on a good day) masquerading as civil engineers and displaying extreme arrogance – or at least try and take the credit for engineering achievements. A lot of people get confused on the 2 roles as in what they do.

    Centuries before they were effectively the same thing/same person

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Gerard1234

    in America, engineers literally wear a ring to show off their putative superiority to regular people. But, like I said, if they were really that smart they would have become mathematicians or at least physicists (I hate physicists too).

    Software "engineers" know that they are a joke so they aren't nearly as bad.

    It's possible that engineers in other countries aren't as obnoxious as American engineers.


    One last thing: Hitler was a big fan of engineers. Anyone who supports engineers is basically saying that Hitler was right.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @A123

  828. A123 says: • Website
    @Yahya
    How long before the Americans blow this pipeline up?



    https://twitter.com/frank_stones/status/1667147204597874691?s=21

    Replies: @A123, @Ivashka the fool

    How long before the Americans blow this pipeline up?

    How long will it take for Germany to order America to act? They will need a puppet like Not-The-President Biden to obtain the requisite slavish obedience. There is a good chance that America will refuse to obey the Reich.

    More likely, the German Green Party will do it and then go into full “Blame America” propaganda mode.

    Why is Progressive Europe incapable of taking responsibility for its own actions?

    PEACE 😇

  829. @Yahya
    How long before the Americans blow this pipeline up?



    https://twitter.com/frank_stones/status/1667147204597874691?s=21

    Replies: @A123, @Ivashka the fool

    They will not need blowing it, they would easily prevent the building of the pipeline by destabilizing MENA once again. For example, they might encourage Moroccan-Algerian war. They already do through Isreali meddling on the Moroccan side of the border.

  830. @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Well, we both know that by the end of the Soviet Union, the Moscow nomenklatura was in great part made of southern Russian and Ukrainian clans. Especially the clan of Dneprpetrovsk, to which belonged Brezhnev.

    We also both know that the Ukrainian SSR had its own Communist Party:


    Коммунисти́ческая па́ртия Украи́ны (КПУ) (укр. Комуністи́чна па́ртія Украї́ни), до 1952 года Коммунисти́ческая па́ртия (большевико́в) Украи́ны (КП(б)У) (укр. Комуністи́чна па́ртія (більшовиків) Украї́ни) — украинская политическая партия. Существовала с 3—5 декабря 1917 года по 30 августа 1991 года. Была одной из крупнейших партийных организаций Коммунистической партии Советского Союза и правящей партией в Украинской Советской Социалистической Республике. При ЦК КП Украины действовали Институт проблем социализма и Партийная школа
     
    That it also had its own autonomous KGB:

    Комите́т госуда́рственной безопа́сности Украинской ССР (КГБ Украинской ССР, укр. Комітет державної безпеки Української РСР) — центральный республиканский орган государственного управления Украинской ССР. В сфере обеспечения государственной безопасности, действовавший с 1954 по 1991 год.
     
    That it was represented in the United Nations :

    4 февраля 1945 года открылся саммит в Ялте. 6 февраля нарком иностранных дел СССР Вячеслав Молотов внёс опережающее предложение о принятии в ООН отдельно от СССР всего трёх его союзных республик – Украины, Белоруссии и Литвы. Это было мотивировано со стороны СССР, по воспоминаниям Черчилля, тем, что эти республики «понесли большие жертвы в войне, первыми подверглись нападению и сильно пострадали». Причём сразу было оговорено, что СССР согласен и на отдельное принятие в ООН только двух советских республик. Тем самым практически сразу круг кандидатов на самостоятельное вхождение в ООН из состава СССР был очерчен только Украиной и Белоруссией.
     
    While, Russian Federation SSR had no Russian Rebuplican Communist Party, instead having the Soviet Union Communist Party, it had no Russian Republic KGB, but had the Union KGB and of course was not represented in the UN, instead being represented as one among many Soviet Socialist Republics by the USSR delegation.

    When the time came to create the FSB in post-Soviet time, its first director was the former head of the Ukrainian SSR KGB.

    So yeah, the Moskaly have often in their history been ruled by foreign elites, among which the Ukrainians had their share of power (Potyomkin, Rozumovskyi), and before them it were people who originally came from the PLC. Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.

    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol. What came after was gradually deprived of its Russian spirit until today it reached such a level of self alienation that people such as Putin, Shoigu, Kadyrov and Prigozhin are the public faces of the RusFed and its muscle too.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

    They don’t teach this in logic class. They do teach it at the debate team training which was extracurricular at my high school. No grades or credit like math and history and English.

    Did you go to high school in Russia? Did you ever have a history teacher mark you down for a true scotsman fallacy? How would the high school history teachers have marked it if you wrote Ukraine was a fake gay country?

    I have a book in my library that was written by my high school history teacher. I am reluctant to write this because the fakest gayest thing in the universe is people who talk about when they were in high school. The only exceptions are if something like the Berlin wall fall or 9/11 happened when you were going to high school.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I studied in a Soviet school, there were no Russian schools when I was a kid, only Soviet ones. The way they taught us history was very well structured, obviously along the Marxist framework lines. In that framework, the humankind evolves from the primitive tribal communism to the future final stateless high technology communism with an outreach to the Solar System if not further into space. Thetefore all states and nations are just impermanent human structures evolving according to socio-economic rules.

    However, the topic is not about the people, but about the state. The state was no longer Russian after the Time of Troubles and more specifically after the Raskol and Peterine Reforms, because most of the elite were no longer ethnic Russians. In the higher elite circles, only around 25 % of the people were of the pure ethnic Russian descent. They spoke French in early nineteenth
    aristocratic salons of St-Petersburg more than they spoke Russian. It is not a coincidence that the first few sentences in the War and Peace are full of French.

    And yes, Ukraine did not exist before 1918, despite whatever Ukrainian commenters here write to the opposite. But the Rusyn / Maloross branch of the Eastern Slav people exists since the middle ages, I would actually rank the Rusyn / Ruthenian people among the purest Slavs, much more so than Northern, Ural and Siberian Russians.

    Replies: @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard

  831. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool


    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

    They don't teach this in logic class. They do teach it at the debate team training which was extracurricular at my high school. No grades or credit like math and history and English.

    Did you go to high school in Russia? Did you ever have a history teacher mark you down for a true scotsman fallacy? How would the high school history teachers have marked it if you wrote Ukraine was a fake gay country?

    I have a book in my library that was written by my high school history teacher. I am reluctant to write this because the fakest gayest thing in the universe is people who talk about when they were in high school. The only exceptions are if something like the Berlin wall fall or 9/11 happened when you were going to high school.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I studied in a Soviet school, there were no Russian schools when I was a kid, only Soviet ones. The way they taught us history was very well structured, obviously along the Marxist framework lines. In that framework, the humankind evolves from the primitive tribal communism to the future final stateless high technology communism with an outreach to the Solar System if not further into space. Thetefore all states and nations are just impermanent human structures evolving according to socio-economic rules.

    However, the topic is not about the people, but about the state. The state was no longer Russian after the Time of Troubles and more specifically after the Raskol and Peterine Reforms, because most of the elite were no longer ethnic Russians. In the higher elite circles, only around 25 % of the people were of the pure ethnic Russian descent. They spoke French in early nineteenth
    aristocratic salons of St-Petersburg more than they spoke Russian. It is not a coincidence that the first few sentences in the War and Peace are full of French.

    And yes, Ukraine did not exist before 1918, despite whatever Ukrainian commenters here write to the opposite. But the Rusyn / Maloross branch of the Eastern Slav people exists since the middle ages, I would actually rank the Rusyn / Ruthenian people among the purest Slavs, much more so than Northern, Ural and Siberian Russians.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    The state was no longer Russian after the Time of Troubles and more specifically after the Raskol and Peterine Reforms
     
    Was the state "Russian" (in an East Slavic ethnic sense) when it was run by Norse Rurikids and their group of Scandinavian and Wendish adventurers?

    Was it "Russian" after it was ruled by a mix of the previous guys, plus Tatars and Mongols in a rather Tatarized environment? Russian historian Vernadsky writes that by 1450, the Tatar language had become fashionable in the court of the Grand Prince of Moscow, Vasily II. Was this state of affairs more "Russian" than later rulers speaking French?

    Why did it become less Russian when under Peter and his heirs the Germans, proto-Ukrainians, and Lithuanians joined the mix of foreign overlords who owned East Slavs in that part of the world?

    My point is that the there is something inherently Russian about having a largely foreign overclass ruling Eastern Slavs. Indeed, the very name Russia derives from the name of foreign overlords, the Rus, who came to East Slavic lands. If ethnic Russians dominated Moscow during the Khrushchev-Brezhnev era was a historical anomaly. The Noviop era is a return to normalcy. *

    Slavs ruling Slavs was a Polish and (thanks to Polish influence) a Ukrainian thing. Even if those Slavic rulers pretended they were Sarmatians.

    Russians were different. Their only chance to change that would have been if they were incorporated into the Rzeczpospolita. The smart and good people of Novogord tried, but the Tatarized Muscovite Ivan the Terrible destroyed them for doing so. And the English played a role in preventing a union with Rzeczpospolita in the early 17th century. That was the last chance. From then on it was rule by Germans, followed by being ruled by a shifting alliance of Jews, Caucasian, and Balts. Maybe in the next stage it will be Jews, Armenians and Chechens? Kadyrov and Prigozhin are kind of rough but the Russians will likely fall into line, they've done that before. If we are very lucky some places like Belgorod/Bilhorod can be salvaged, that would be great. But at the very least, save the Ukrainians from being stuck in the next version of Russia. That's what they are bravely fighting for.

    And yes, Ukraine did not exist before 1918, despite whatever Ukrainian commenters here write to the opposite
     
    The name was widely used by Ukrainians as an ethnic self-designation in the 19th century, the people as an ethnos separate from Great Russians developed in the 14th-15th centuries (the separation began in the 12th century).

    *Note that I am not saying it is good, just because it was Russia. I think either the original Rus one (shared with the people who would eventually become Ukrainians), or the late Romanov era were the best versions of Russia. The Soviet version was a disgusting one, the Noviop one not as bad but still much worse than the late Romanov one.
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    Did they subject you to Hegel?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Die_Freien_by_Friedrich_Engels.jpg/961px-Die_Freien_by_Friedrich_Engels.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Wielgus

  832. A123 says: • Website

    Jews take a stand against IslamoGloboHomo: (1)

    We Are Jews Against Soros

    Simply put, Soros is more responsible than any man in the world for the descent of some of America’s most iconic cities into anarchic urban hellholes.Simply put, Soros is more responsible than any man in the world for the descent of some of America’s most iconic cities into anarchic urban hellholes.

    The globalist archetype has routinely given massive sums to anti-sovereignty groups that seek to obliterate national borders, from the U.S. to his native Hungary to Israel. Speaking of Israel, the Jewish Soros harbors a unique disdain for the world’s only Jewish state: He has been a massive bankroller of the antisemitic “Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions” global movement, his foundations have supported internationally recognized Palestinian-Arab terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and he is the single largest donor ever to J Street and its affiliated PAC, which routinely peddle anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian agitprop and exist for the sole reason of providing “Jewish” cover for Democrats to bash Israel.

    Who can earnestly contend that this is someone whose influence cannot be criticized on the grounds that it is “antisemitic” to do so?

    Amichai Chikli, the Israeli government’s current minister of Diaspora affairs and minister for social equality, certainly objects. Following last month’s kerfuffle wherein Elon Musk compared Soros to X-Men arch-villain Magneto (who, like Soros, survived the Holocaust as a child) and asserted that Soros “hates humanity,” the masses predictably accused Musk of making “baseless” claims and furthering “antisemitic conspiracy theories.” But Chikli defended Musk, writing in a May 18 tweet: “As Israel’s minister who’s entrusted on combating anti-Semitism, I would like to clarify that the Israeli government and the vast majority of Israeli citizens see Elon Musk as an amazing entrepreneur and a role model. Criticism of Soros—who finances the most hostile organizations to the Jewish people and the state of Israel is anything but anti-Semitism, quite the opposite!”

    Israel’s minister is obviously correct. George IslamoSoros is an Anti-Semite.

    Why else would he fund — Genocidal Muslim operations like BDS? And, Jihadist troop transports smuggling combatants to Europe?
    ___

    There is hope though. Italy made significant wins in the latest round of talks with the EU. (2)

    A breakthrough late on Thursday, however, saw Italy offered a major concession, with Brussels handing the power back to member states to decide themselves whether a migrant can legally be deported back to their country of origin.

    It does not have to be their home country. The export can be to any “safe” country the invader passed through. Italy deems Tunisia safe, and that government takes cash to accept deportees.

    In addition there is an “accelerated review” lane for invaders with no credible chance at a successful claim. Imagine if almost all inbound Jihadists are rejected and pushed back to Africa within 72 hours of arrival.

    The deal is still far from perfect, but it is potentially much better than the status quo. The actual language (yet to be seen) of the bill could still blow up the arrangement. It must deliver on Italy’s need to quickly expel large numbers of violent & otherwise unacceptable anti-Christian arrivals.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.newsweek.com/we-are-jews-against-soros-opinion-1805473

    (2) https://rmx.news/european-union/member-states-forced-to-accept-migrants-or-face-hefty-fines-after-majority-vote-passed-on-new-eu-rules/

  833. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    The Revolution was inevitable because of the agrarian question and the deep resentment the Russian muzhik came to feel against the baré.
     
    Unrest of some sort would have been expected, but the Revolution succeeded because Russia swallowed the poison pill of Polish-Ukrainian lands and thereby gained a population of smart Jewish people hungry for power (they also inherited angry Latvians when they took land from Sweden), who would not have achieved power in Poland-Ukraine itself but who plugged into the Russian matrix (in which native Slavs are almost always ruled by foreigners) they managed to achieve a measure of power in Moscow, by (alongside Georgian, and multinational Lenin) overthrowing and replacing the largely German elites. A tragedy obviously, because by the time of the overthrow the German elites had become softer and kinder overlords to their Slavs than their ancestors such as the cruel Catherine had been,.

    Having taken power in Russia first, only then by using Russian servant-forces they were able to establish their rule over Ukraine too.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The Revolution succeeded also because the British and the French backstabbed their Russian Imperial allies, while the German and American interests also favored the dismantling of the Russian Empire. US (((bankers))) gladly financed Trotsky, while the Germans gladly financed Lenin. But iy were the pro-British/French democratic (actually masonic) circles that toppled the Tsar in February 1917. So French and British are the primary culprits. And they paid the price of their treason: the war was prolonged for another year and if not for the American intervention, Germany would have won the war. GermanWW1 victory timeline is actually preferable to the one we find ourselves in today.

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    Many factors were involved and I agree that this was an important one also, that is often ignored.

    However, if the Russian people weren't culturally primed to accept non-Russian overlords it would not have been possible. A multinational gang would never have taken over Poland, Germany, Ukraine (note that during the Revolutionary time all the main native players in Ukraine such as Petliura, Makhno, Hrushevsky, Vynnychenko, Skoropadsky etc. were Ukrainians, Ukraine's Jews had to go to Russia to achieve power). But they did so in Russia, despite their cruelty to the Russian people.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  834. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    The Revolution succeeded also because the British and the French backstabbed their Russian Imperial allies, while the German and American interests also favored the dismantling of the Russian Empire. US (((bankers))) gladly financed Trotsky, while the Germans gladly financed Lenin. But iy were the pro-British/French democratic (actually masonic) circles that toppled the Tsar in February 1917. So French and British are the primary culprits. And they paid the price of their treason: the war was prolonged for another year and if not for the American intervention, Germany would have won the war. GermanWW1 victory timeline is actually preferable to the one we find ourselves in today.

    Replies: @AP

    Many factors were involved and I agree that this was an important one also, that is often ignored.

    However, if the Russian people weren’t culturally primed to accept non-Russian overlords it would not have been possible. A multinational gang would never have taken over Poland, Germany, Ukraine (note that during the Revolutionary time all the main native players in Ukraine such as Petliura, Makhno, Hrushevsky, Vynnychenko, Skoropadsky etc. were Ukrainians, Ukraine’s Jews had to go to Russia to achieve power). But they did so in Russia, despite their cruelty to the Russian people.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @AP


    However, if the Russian people weren’t culturally primed to accept non-Russian overlords it would not have been possible.
     
    You really should read about the Time of Troubles, Raskol and Peterine Reforms.

    https://storage.yandexcloud.net/wr4img/421957_15_b00000729.jpg

    It broke the spine of the Velikoross with the notable exception of the Old Believer sects, which in some regions reached high 40% of the population. I am not myself of Old Believer descent, but when I understood how damaging was the rule of early Romanovs, that they were basically impostors and opportunists and how they were replaced with a nearly pure Germanic dynasty after some four generations, that really opened my eyes on a lot of things. Also the role of the Maloross clergy in the Raskol is troubling to say the least.

    Perhaps you like going to the Tretyakov Gallery museum when in Moscow, I just love the place, especially the Vrubel exposition. But another painting that I always stop in front of for a long moment is:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Surikov_streltsi.jpg

    Those were the final days of the Muskovite Rus, the aftershocks of which were felt until the Pugachev uprising, but then anger and hatred mostly went underground until 1905. And finally in 1917 it erupted but was misdirected by the crafty Bolshevik who promised freedom, but only brought slavery and death.

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/maysuryan/46825033/164948/164948_800.jpg

    Replies: @AP, @Wokechoke

  835. @Greasy William
    @sudden death

    It is a perfect scene.

    Mulholland Drive is a great film but Lost Highway is another solid Lynch film.

    Replies: @sudden death

    It is a perfect scene.

    There is a directorial decision, which arguably lessens immersion effect a bit imho – when the man with the tie goes to the counter to pay standing here, he doesn’t seem scared at all. Maybe just very slightly concerned about his probable friend/acquintance/colleague exhibiting some signs of potential mental instability perhaps.

    Or simply just this actor is not so good at portraying fear as his short haired companion without a tie? But this seems slightly less believable as director simply would search and find more competent actor for such short episodic performance if he didn’t instruct him not to act as very scared.

  836. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    That it was represented in the United Nations [..]

    Молотов внёс опережающее предложение о принятии в ООН отдельно от СССР всего трёх его союзных республик – Украины, Белоруссии и Литвы. Это было мотивировано со стороны СССР, по воспоминаниям Черчилля, тем, что эти республики «понесли большие жертвы в войне, первыми подверглись нападению и сильно пострадали».
     

    Interesting, didn't know that Molotov also proposed to include Lithuania separately. Thanks for that tidbit. That is quite fair and a reasonable argument, as these were the places that the Nazis attacked first, so in that sense he made a good point.

    Afaik, Ukraine also had a non-permanent seat in the UN Security Council, and Podolyak is now saying that Ukraine should remind the UN of that even though Russia alone inherited that seat. If they start fighting over that, it could be a huge diplomatic mess. I've even heard suggestions that they want to challenge that status and use these historical circumstances to rid Russia of this seat and propose that it'd be offered to other global players (such as some Arab states). This is probably too far fetched and things will most likely not get that far. But this is just another indication how these recent events have opened up a lot of revisionism.

    Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.
     

    The problem is that during the Civil War era, and all the following decades, of course, many Ukrainians who opposed the Soviet power were stomped out mercilessly. This happened as early as in 1918 (during events such as the Battle of Kruty, where Ukrainians were in fact attacked in their own capital, by a multi-ethnic Soviet army, led by an ethnic Russian and an ethnic Latvian).

    Putin, Shoigu, Kadyrov and Prigozhin are the public faces of the RusFed

     

    Don't forget the likes of bobroyedka Simonyan. The problem is that when it comes to ethnic Russians, they are actually divided, there are those who go along with this Noviop state or at least accept it passively and those who don't view it as fully theirs and, frankly, whose identity really is different from those mentioned above.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    The problem is that when it comes to ethnic Russians, they are actually divided, there are those who go along with this Noviop state or at least accept it passively and those who don’t view it as fully theirs and, frankly, whose identity really is different from those mentioned above.

    It’s the same thing in the West where most normies go along whatever their propaganda teaches them. However, in RusFed at least some Russians are awake enough to write something along the lines of:

    https://www.libex.ru/detail/book860041.html

    Interestingly, Arestovitch seems to have read the book.

    And yeah, I have recently learned that he is keenly interested in Trika Shaivism. He has a very good grasp on its co concepts and practical applications.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Shaivism

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Interestingly, Arestovitch seems to have read the book.
     
    I started reading that book, it's good (even if a bit too much "doom and gloom", as many of these nationalist books tend to be which is understandable).

    As to Arestovych, yes, I'm aware of his so called 5th project. There is a lot to dissect there, but let me just say that overall, yes, it is good to have such broader ideas, I like the very fact that an alternative is proposed and there is also a place for a polemic (I'm aware of the backlash he's getting from Ukrainian nationalists and even Euro-friendlies).

    This inclusive model is nothing new - it is essentially at play in many EE countries, who are open to attracting international talent, however most of those states are still nation-states with one dominating ethnicity. In fact, most of the European history has been that way, with constant exchange of ideas and the traversing of "elite" (and not so elite) human capital, as is the catchphrase these days on our site. :)

    In Ukraine, this could be considered for the future if Ukrainian is perceived as the default nationality (and of course Arestovych is talking about a complete reconstruction of the existing national narratives) but I don't think that's what Arestovych wants - he mentions several traditions (Ukrainian, Russian, Turkic, etc) that are present. The problem is that many will not agree with this concept of the multi-cultural state (especially now that the Ukrainian people have been through so much), although there would have been great potential to co-exist (if it wasn't for the war). There is also a big difference between a multi-ethnic state that respects all of its traditional groups (groups that have been present for hundreds of years if not longer) vs a post-national, global, multi-cultural, multi-racial, multi-gendered state ideology (there is a fundamental difference there and a very slippery slope there and a temptation by some to conflate or dilute these two very differing concepts so one must tread very carefully there, especially in EE).

    A lot of what he says seems attractive to me, I'm quite open to these musings at least on a conversational level, but there is a danger with this approach - once you let foreigners in (he goes beyond just Russian speakers, and talks about attracting exotic foreigners who are, funnily enough, not even exotic anymore by Western standards), you may end up not having control over them eventually and ideas and practices will expand at the expense of the native interests.

    He uses the example of Sich and proposes a kind of a neo-Sich for the modern age where anyone who has something valuable to contribute is welcomed on the Sich. However, let's not forget that the original Sich was a strictly all male military entity, essentially a military order of a kind. The rules, the goals and the function served are different there than in a larger society. Especially, with the future in mind, given how demographics are changing globally, this is a great risk, imo. Some select top performing and rare talent could be good to attract (and also regular EU citizens and friendly Russians and Belarusians, ofc), that goes without saying - but to invite anybody from anywhere in the world who has anything to offer, as he proposes? I think that's going a bit too far. Besides Ukrainians are a very talented people, they can cultivate and grow their own talent.

    As to korenizatsia, I'd have to read up on it fully, but my hunch is that this was done in the early SU to appease nationalities when the Soviet power structure and the policing mechanism and the Soviet state in general was not yet strong enough to dominate fully - they had to do this, otherwise there would be unrest and they could fail to control their newly created state after all the trials of revolution and Civil and world wars. Only later, after the 1930s terror and onwards, did the state solidify to have full control over all the nationalities. I mean, how do you expect this to be - incorporate sizable ethnic groups and not let them have any representation? There was a ton of work going on to cultivate native cadres, this is all part of the Sovietization. It's actually a pretty scary socio-political experiment.


    Also, at that time, if you were of non-proletarian Velikoross background you couldn’t attend University, all other nationalities could, but not Russians.
     
    Well, non-proletarians (or non-Communists) in general, of any ethnicity, had it harder as they were discriminated against - same thing happened in the Baltic states after the occupation and annexation into the SU. It was probably worse in the E.Slavic lands. People were discriminated based on the "wrong" class background. Are you saying that this discrimination was worse for ethnic Russians than for the Ukrainians? Of course, some Sovok s*thead of whatever ethnic background could lord it over a former Russian White, no doubt. But a Velikoros Sovok could also do it to other nationalities.

    A Velikoross with the "right" kind of background would have had no problems.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  837. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack


    Politically and culturally, the nativization policy aimed to eliminate Russian domination and culture in Soviet republics where ethnic Russians did not constitute a majority. This policy was implemented even in areas with large Russian-speaking populations; for instance, all children in Ukraine were taught in the Ukrainian language in school. The policies of korenizatsiia facilitated the Communist Party's establishment of the local languages in government and education, in publishing, in culture, and in public life. In that manner, the cadre of the local Communist Party were promoted to every level of government, and ethnic Russians working in said governments were required to learn the local language and culture of the given Soviet republic.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenizatsiia

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I would have thought that somebody of your high erudition and honesty would be fully aware that korenizatsiya was a stop/gap measure designed to appease the various nationalities within the SU, and that it was abandoned in the early 1930’s?:

    As the 1930s progressed, the official version of history shifted to one where the Russian Empire had brought progress and civilization to backward peoples, and where for the first time former Russian tsars and military leaders could be portrayed as national heroes. Whereas previously nationality policy had discriminated against Russians and frequently denied them national rights allowed to others, now the superiority of the Russian culture and people was increasingly celebrated. This ideological shift was reflected on the ground in the partial abandonment of korenizatsiya policies from 1932 onward and an increasing dominance of Russians in the non-Russian regions. By the end of the decade all of the national leaders of the 1920s had been purged and in many cases replaced by Russians. The semiofficial position of Russian as the lingua franca of the Soviet Union was acknowledged by a law of 1938 that made the study of Russian as a second language compulsory in all non-Russian schools.

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/nationalities-policies-soviet

    And thus the slow but certain train of Russification began to spread its grasps everywhere within the SU. BTW, I was hoping that you would favor me with a reply to my comment #821?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    It seems he has discussed two closely related policies of a strategy used to limit the political influence of ethnic Russians. One policy forced Russians to integrate into the associated non-Russian cultures, the other promoted Russian-speaking non-Russians and enabled them to integrate into and control an ostensibly (or vaguely?) Russian state. These tactics are directly related and I'm sure there are many other elements of the process.

    The promotion of Sharia law may be a vaguely similar process now happening in the USA. I assume this is really a promotion of Noahide law, based on the fact that Muslims have little or no agency in the West, while Jewish people have plenty. If this forced acceptance of a dual or triple law code takes root, Sharia-aware lawyers will be drawn up into the government. On the other hand, it will become impossible for normal English-speaking lawyers to retain power unless they learn Sharia. I think this is a long-shot play by Jewish interests and is unlikely to succeed. Nonetheless, it is an example where the paradigm is changed over several generations by driving the legacy power group down and forcing them to assimilate with outside groups while simultaneously drawing the outsider groups up and actively transferring power to them, all under the guise of some civically-minded process.

    This helps me understand the RusFed issue which Ivanka laments.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

  838. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    Many factors were involved and I agree that this was an important one also, that is often ignored.

    However, if the Russian people weren't culturally primed to accept non-Russian overlords it would not have been possible. A multinational gang would never have taken over Poland, Germany, Ukraine (note that during the Revolutionary time all the main native players in Ukraine such as Petliura, Makhno, Hrushevsky, Vynnychenko, Skoropadsky etc. were Ukrainians, Ukraine's Jews had to go to Russia to achieve power). But they did so in Russia, despite their cruelty to the Russian people.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    However, if the Russian people weren’t culturally primed to accept non-Russian overlords it would not have been possible.

    You really should read about the Time of Troubles, Raskol and Peterine Reforms.

    It broke the spine of the Velikoross with the notable exception of the Old Believer sects, which in some regions reached high 40% of the population. I am not myself of Old Believer descent, but when I understood how damaging was the rule of early Romanovs, that they were basically impostors and opportunists and how they were replaced with a nearly pure Germanic dynasty after some four generations, that really opened my eyes on a lot of things. Also the role of the Maloross clergy in the Raskol is troubling to say the least.

    Perhaps you like going to the Tretyakov Gallery museum when in Moscow, I just love the place, especially the Vrubel exposition. But another painting that I always stop in front of for a long moment is:

    Those were the final days of the Muskovite Rus, the aftershocks of which were felt until the Pugachev uprising, but then anger and hatred mostly went underground until 1905. And finally in 1917 it erupted but was misdirected by the crafty Bolshevik who promised freedom, but only brought slavery and death.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Perhaps you like going to the Tretyakov Gallery museum when in Moscow
     
    It is my favorite museum n Moscow and one of my favorites in the world. I visit it every time I'm in Moscow, it's like visiting an old friend.

    I just love the place, especially the Vrubel exposition
     
    That is also my favorite part. You must know that he painted in Kiev, there is a church full of his works there:

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2G6CTPF/kyiv-ukraine-may-18-2021-the-famous-frescoes-by-mikhail-vrubel-decorate-the-choir-of-st-cyril-church-on-may-18-in-kyiv-2G6CTPF.jpg

    I have a copy of this by him in my house:

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0k8VQVA2K9U/UMIW27dx3MI/AAAAAAAADt8/g_NQR64OuVk/s1600/Mikhail-Vrubel-Icon2-(fragment).png
    , @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    I was more interested in how fantastically modern the Streltsy soldiers looked. Odd too that they wore red coats with yellow flash back as far as the late Renaissance. Very practical looking uniforms that would have looked about right up until the post napoleonic period. The axes were obviously a hold over but the general look was practical. Axes must have made them good engineers.

    https://viktor-sbor.tumblr.com/post/661234410532831232/streltsy-russian-стрельцы-were


    Italian troops in ww2 get short changed with the anti-them propaganda but the Folgore parachute units with their pared back helmets, plate armour magazine carriers, and kneepads plus the 9mm Beretta SMG look contemporary.


    https://twitter.com/DVM_Vet/status/1295752371654602754?s=20

    50 years ahead in personal gear.

  839. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Kharkiv was almost half-Russian back in 1989, no? Maybe that also helped convince some of the Ukrainians in Kharkiv to speak Russian instead of Ukrainian?
     
    I was talking about the period before 1945. I've seen footage of Kharkiv in the 1940s under the German occupation and the signs on the streets and stores were in Ukrainian, not Russian. So the question is what language was most commonly spoken there in let's say 1930s, 40s and early 50s? What was the proportion of Ukrainian and Russian then?

    By 1989, it was heavily Russified of course, the question is why did they switch the language instead of just remaining bilingual. In a way they stayed bilingual, because it is quite easy for them to switch back to Ukrainian, but why did they switch to Russian in such large numbers, in Kyiv as well. I understand there may have been both pressure and incentives, but it still puzzles me. I grew up in a town that was 60% Russophone, but it would have never occurred to me to switch to Russian with family and non-Russophone friends or in public life in general. It's weird. Maybe these days English is that way in some cases, where people use English in business, but they don't use it at home or among friends.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I assume this language shift would have happened naturally from 1950-1990 because the industrial base of Ukraine grew enormously as part of the Soviet Union. Technical, scientific and industrial ventures are more efficient with a shared language. This doesn’t effect farmers, miners and shop keepers but is important for their kids who are growing up in the modernized economic reality.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    I assume this language shift would have happened naturally from 1950-1990 because the industrial base of Ukraine grew enormously as part of the Soviet Union. Technical, scientific and industrial ventures are more efficient with a shared language.
     
    You miss my point - I'm looking for details, not the general description. Everyone knows there was industrial growth during that period with everything that comes with it.



    I'm someone who was Russified at a very early age (attempted to be Russified, didn't work, possibly even before the age of 5 because I do not have a conscious memory of when I first spoke Russian, it was that early, I know that I spoke it well before I went to first grade and I remember learning to read Cyrillic with my mom before the age of 6, one of my first life memories is playing with a very cute Russian girl with angel blond hair in our neighborhood, possibly at around age 4 - so I'm just trying to figure out how the Eastern Ukrainians who predominantly spoke Ukrainian before the war and most likely in the 1950s still, why they changed / turned their language while I did not, why they didn't have two co-existing separate language environments the way we had it). I'm not talking about the growth and industrialization that intensified after the 1950s, actually later - that was taking place everywhere where there had been an Imperial economic, industrial and cultural center.

    For example, the Caucasian peoples were Russified, too, but they retained their languages - at least the Georgians and the Nohchi. Not to mention the Azeris.

    What is a language shift that "happens naturally", as you write? There is nothing natural about it. My guess is that in Ukraine's case there was something else going on in the dynamic between the Maloros and Velikoros that wasn't fully going on with others. Maybe that the Velikoros were considered some "golden standard".

    In the video above, Arestovych said something like "Every girl in Galicia wanted to date an NKVD'shnik because that meant she could move out of the countryside and into the city", and we can assume that this NKVD'shnik would most likely be a Russian speaking outsider, not even local Ukrainian Sovok collaborator. First of all, I don't believe this is true of W.Ukrainian women (with the exception of probably a certain type, what would I call "easier"), but if it were true to some significant extent, then this is very different from Baltic women - for Baltic women to wish to date an NKVD'shnik would have been unthinkable (although I'm sure all kinds of things may have happened but it's not the norm). The Balts also had their own city culture, that was a mixture of things inherited from before as well as some newly made Sovok stuff. I would imagine the Ukrainians would have something similar as well, even in places like Kharkiv. Why didn't they just stick to that? Maybe because it's a very large population and people do make these choices based on economic or social needs and similar strivings. There must have been a lot of intermarriage as well.

    Sorry for such mundane, primitive details, but it might be important to figure out what really happened there. There's no such thing as giving up one's language naturally. Maybe it could be interesting to see what happened with the languages on the British Isles and how they were eradicated or how people transitioned to English (but I believe the circumstances were harder for the native languages there than in the EE). I had a friend who when he was little, came home one day from school and started talking to his parents (!!) in Russian, because he had been speaking Russian half of the day at school, his dad freaked out and immediately put him in a different school (more Latvian speaking). But this would be a rare occurrance. I wonder why the East Ukrainian parents did not do this if this happened. It might have been because Russian and Ukrainian are somewhat close languages and maybe because the Russian language had higher status?

    Of course, there is no problem using both languages, the problem only starts when decades later the large neighboring country decides that you are in fact "Russian and need to be taken into the fold". It is clear that many E.Ukrainians were totally oblivious to this prospect.

    Replies: @QCIC

  840. @silviosilver
    @songbird


    Recently, I’ve been watching the old TV miniseries ‘The Shogun.’ It’s not high-brow and I am not very far into it, but I’m enjoying it so far.
     
    It's a personal favorite, watched it quite a few times. Also read the novel a few times.

    The novel is more complex - especially the alliances and Toranaga's political manoeuvring, which the film greatly simplifies - and also more brutal. Eg you're probably already past the scene near the start when Blackthorn is on the beach and everybody is bowing to Omi, except for one stubborn Jap fisherman and Omi slices his head off. In the novel, Omi chops the body into pieces. Small details like that are more brutal in the novel, and really accentuate Blackthorn's mixed feelings of admiration and revulsion at Jap society.

    The only part of the novel that let me down was the treatment of language differences. In the novel, Blackthorn speaks flawless Portuguese and Spanish, which he supposedly he picked up as a sailor, and converses in Latin with Mariko. He's thus able to pass himself of as Spanish to a Spanish Dominican friar who feeds him valuable information about the activities of the Jesuits and the Portuguese. In contrast, Father Alvito claims he still gets Japanese wrong despite having been instructed in it since he was a child. Not exactly realistic. (The film solves all this by having all the Europeans speak English, which is nice for the viewer, but detracts from the film's realism - eg the way it leaves most of the Japanese speech untranslated, so that the viewer is as much in the dark as Blackthorn.)

    Replies: @songbird

    eg the way it leaves most of the Japanese speech untranslated, so that the viewer is as much in the dark as Blackthorn.)

    They must have set some sort of record for lack of subtitles, and it was a good decision. Seems remarkably ambitious that it was filmed in Japan – though, at one point so far, I was thinking of a scene, is this shot inside a quarry in Japan? Though maybe not. I understand that the Shaw Brothers in HK carved the top off a mountain to get room to build their studio there.

  841. @AP
    @Greasy William

    Couldn’t.

    In the Soviet world, engineering was for people too dumb to study physics, chemistry, biology, medicine, etc. There were some elite schools that produces legitimately good engineers but for the most part engineering was a catchment for those smart enough to go past high school but not smart enough to do much. In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack

    In the Soviet world, engineering was for people too dumb to study physics, chemistry, biology, medicine, etc. There were some elite schools that produces legitimately good engineers but for the most part engineering was a catchment for those smart enough to go past high school but not smart enough to do much. In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers.

    LMAO!!! I just finished reading this fantasist scumbag AP’s nonsense with Beckow which, among other things, involved inventing a fake family in Ukraine for this scumbag, which of course doesn’t exist and is a place he has never been to……….now I get this psychiatric madness in the quote above about engineers! The “argument” from this retard is not like Soviets and Tsarists arguing with each other on the internet, or some consevative vs liberal thing…….its a hugely disturbed freak intentionally inventing a fake argument out of nowhere,based on zero experience , has no knowledge of Soviet Union, nor ANY about our elite schools or …..anything else.

    Anyway:

    Beglov, Governor of Saint Petersburg…..Civil Engineer
    Shoigu, Defense Minister (hugely successfully organising the destruction of 100s of 1000s of ukronazis in one of the most one-way military conflicts in history) – after being highly successful M.Ch.S ……..Civil Engineer
    Patrushev, Head of FSB…….Shipbuilding Engineer ( involves plenty of the same learning as civil engineer)

    So the 3 most important things to our President – his city, the military and his former profession, are controlled by 3 engineers, 2 of them civil engineers.

    How much of a seriously deranged fuckup does somebody have to be to invent the lies this imbecile has just done, and regularly does? Is it not clear that this bimbo doesn’t even know WTF engineering is?

    Not that I conflate the oligarchs with intelligence….but I am fairly sure most of the main ones were engineer qualified.

    LOL – 404’s most sane, or least insane/least incompetant and longest serving leaders was Kuchma – former head of Yuzhmash

    Other people reading – remember that different to western states, obviously from Post-soviet era was not inherited same legacy of former lawyers and bankers in such high concentrations of elites in business and politics,and I have just listed engineers at the top of many important positions this millenium.

    So from this bimbo “AP”,t would be like me criticising the Atlantic Ocean for it’s lack of wetness, or Valuev for not being tall, such is what this immensely demented, pitiful retard is (deliberately falsely) saying about civil Engineers.

    In the Soviet world, engineering was for people too dumb to study physics, chemistry, biology, medicine, etc.

    Of course its a complete amusing lie from this sociopath, hoping to succeed with naive readers on it. It was prestigious, well paid , well respected and heavily in demand profession in USSR, absolutely critical profession with the very best institutes educating it. As I say we are not talking about differing opinions here, just some tramp inventing hilarious garbage.

    Any civil engineer from USSR could literally name their price for any job in USSR.

    Inevitably from this fantasist, there is some inevitable recycling of actual ukrop projection. Of course Soviet and Tsarist civil engineering legacy is the only thing keeping this fake state together – the pussy, gangrene meme-seeking freaks in Azovstal being one of the best “advertisers” of it. I suppose destroying with khokhol deathcultism over the last 30 years entire huge industries of 404 and the completely non-existent construction industry in 404 in the last 9 years can be amusingly deflected aware by (pseudo) Galician fucktards by faking some nonsense about ” no engineering talent” LOL in USSR

    Again, among other things, surely the bimbo nonsense about the Patriot system in Kiev last week should have got this attention-whore banned on issues of decency?

  842. @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    Both of the militaries don't have very working air force (although this will probably change in 2024-25).

    Both sides have tanks, both sides also have anti-tank weapons to equalize the movement of tanks.

    It's like second year of the Iran-Iraq war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#1981:_Stalemate

    "Wagner" using "human wave" attacks of prisoners. But unlike in Iran-Iraq war, there won't be so many of those, as demographics of the countries are not exactly like 1980s Iran.

    There were already in this war also similar actions as the "War of the cities" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Cities

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Sean

    Both of the militaries don’t have very working air force

    Agree, and I’d push that further inasmuch there are grave doubts among Western airforces with access to what is really happening in Ukraine about whether continuing to operate in such an effective manpads and long range AA misiles heavy environment is as the Ukraine battlefield is a thing of the past. The Russians have been taught that Stingers , of which the Ukrainian army are lavishly equipped with makes ground attack a perilous undertaking. Withal, the drones of various types take away so many of the functions of airpower and are so much more repackable than a modern jet fighter bomber.

    Both sides have tanks, both sides also have anti-tank weapons to equalize the movement of tanks.

    Tank versus tank contests are virtually non existent in Ukraine now. There was an incident the other day when a single Russian tank was advancing towards a Ukrainian one and got destroyed by an AT missile from a Ukrainian infantry team in some tree cover. The main problem for tank (and infantry) advancing is not AT missiles or even omnipresent drones zeroing in artillery on formed up squadrons units, it is mines. The Russian armoured and motorised infantry casualties during their failed assaults’ Vuhleda were mines, and the repeated attacks by Russian columns along the same axis of advance was prolly not failure to realise they could be re laid by artillery as Western media suggested but rather a somewhat misplaced use of a sound although very brutal tactic. The disposable component of the Wagner infantry assault groups in Bakhmut were used along the same route over and over again partly because the Ukrainians had time not only to fortify but mainly them laying lots of minefields. There are no videos from the battle of bakhmut of Russians in a attacking wave being mown down but there are of bodies lying en mass as they had accumulated in a minefield.

    The recent operations by Ukraine are extremely costly (10% of their Bradleys lost in one day), but soaking up firepower and clearing mines by using second rate units like tissue paper is the only way. to mount any kind of effort without liquidating their first class formations. Ukraine ignored advice to follow up the Kharkov success ASAP with whatever was available and as a result they now have lost momentum , surprise as to time and place, and enemy psychological dislocation. Kiev’s forces are much better equipped, but waiting for the training and arms was a fatal error.

  843. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I studied in a Soviet school, there were no Russian schools when I was a kid, only Soviet ones. The way they taught us history was very well structured, obviously along the Marxist framework lines. In that framework, the humankind evolves from the primitive tribal communism to the future final stateless high technology communism with an outreach to the Solar System if not further into space. Thetefore all states and nations are just impermanent human structures evolving according to socio-economic rules.

    However, the topic is not about the people, but about the state. The state was no longer Russian after the Time of Troubles and more specifically after the Raskol and Peterine Reforms, because most of the elite were no longer ethnic Russians. In the higher elite circles, only around 25 % of the people were of the pure ethnic Russian descent. They spoke French in early nineteenth
    aristocratic salons of St-Petersburg more than they spoke Russian. It is not a coincidence that the first few sentences in the War and Peace are full of French.

    And yes, Ukraine did not exist before 1918, despite whatever Ukrainian commenters here write to the opposite. But the Rusyn / Maloross branch of the Eastern Slav people exists since the middle ages, I would actually rank the Rusyn / Ruthenian people among the purest Slavs, much more so than Northern, Ural and Siberian Russians.

    Replies: @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard

    The state was no longer Russian after the Time of Troubles and more specifically after the Raskol and Peterine Reforms

    Was the state “Russian” (in an East Slavic ethnic sense) when it was run by Norse Rurikids and their group of Scandinavian and Wendish adventurers?

    Was it “Russian” after it was ruled by a mix of the previous guys, plus Tatars and Mongols in a rather Tatarized environment? Russian historian Vernadsky writes that by 1450, the Tatar language had become fashionable in the court of the Grand Prince of Moscow, Vasily II. Was this state of affairs more “Russian” than later rulers speaking French?

    Why did it become less Russian when under Peter and his heirs the Germans, proto-Ukrainians, and Lithuanians joined the mix of foreign overlords who owned East Slavs in that part of the world?

    My point is that the there is something inherently Russian about having a largely foreign overclass ruling Eastern Slavs. Indeed, the very name Russia derives from the name of foreign overlords, the Rus, who came to East Slavic lands. If ethnic Russians dominated Moscow during the Khrushchev-Brezhnev era was a historical anomaly. The Noviop era is a return to normalcy. *

    Slavs ruling Slavs was a Polish and (thanks to Polish influence) a Ukrainian thing. Even if those Slavic rulers pretended they were Sarmatians.

    Russians were different. Their only chance to change that would have been if they were incorporated into the Rzeczpospolita. The smart and good people of Novogord tried, but the Tatarized Muscovite Ivan the Terrible destroyed them for doing so. And the English played a role in preventing a union with Rzeczpospolita in the early 17th century. That was the last chance. From then on it was rule by Germans, followed by being ruled by a shifting alliance of Jews, Caucasian, and Balts. Maybe in the next stage it will be Jews, Armenians and Chechens? Kadyrov and Prigozhin are kind of rough but the Russians will likely fall into line, they’ve done that before. If we are very lucky some places like Belgorod/Bilhorod can be salvaged, that would be great. But at the very least, save the Ukrainians from being stuck in the next version of Russia. That’s what they are bravely fighting for.

    And yes, Ukraine did not exist before 1918, despite whatever Ukrainian commenters here write to the opposite

    The name was widely used by Ukrainians as an ethnic self-designation in the 19th century, the people as an ethnos separate from Great Russians developed in the 14th-15th centuries (the separation began in the 12th century).

    *Note that I am not saying it is good, just because it was Russia. I think either the original Rus one (shared with the people who would eventually become Ukrainians), or the late Romanov era were the best versions of Russia. The Soviet version was a disgusting one, the Noviop one not as bad but still much worse than the late Romanov one.

  844. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @AP


    However, if the Russian people weren’t culturally primed to accept non-Russian overlords it would not have been possible.
     
    You really should read about the Time of Troubles, Raskol and Peterine Reforms.

    https://storage.yandexcloud.net/wr4img/421957_15_b00000729.jpg

    It broke the spine of the Velikoross with the notable exception of the Old Believer sects, which in some regions reached high 40% of the population. I am not myself of Old Believer descent, but when I understood how damaging was the rule of early Romanovs, that they were basically impostors and opportunists and how they were replaced with a nearly pure Germanic dynasty after some four generations, that really opened my eyes on a lot of things. Also the role of the Maloross clergy in the Raskol is troubling to say the least.

    Perhaps you like going to the Tretyakov Gallery museum when in Moscow, I just love the place, especially the Vrubel exposition. But another painting that I always stop in front of for a long moment is:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Surikov_streltsi.jpg

    Those were the final days of the Muskovite Rus, the aftershocks of which were felt until the Pugachev uprising, but then anger and hatred mostly went underground until 1905. And finally in 1917 it erupted but was misdirected by the crafty Bolshevik who promised freedom, but only brought slavery and death.

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/maysuryan/46825033/164948/164948_800.jpg

    Replies: @AP, @Wokechoke

    Perhaps you like going to the Tretyakov Gallery museum when in Moscow

    It is my favorite museum n Moscow and one of my favorites in the world. I visit it every time I’m in Moscow, it’s like visiting an old friend.

    I just love the place, especially the Vrubel exposition

    That is also my favorite part. You must know that he painted in Kiev, there is a church full of his works there:

    I have a copy of this by him in my house:

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  845. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Many bishops seem to have been closely related to aristocrats, as well as to each other, both across time and space.
     
    I don't think that's surprising. In medieval and early modern Germany there were sometimes almost dynasties of bishops in certain sees, e. g. a nephew succeeding his uncle. This wasn't always necessarily to the detriment of the church btw, a bishop had to take care not only of pastoral care after all, but also had to be able to defend the temporal property of his church, so being connected to leading aristocratic families and their networks could be useful.

    I’ve seen a remarkable concentration of names among priests and church officers, which suggests that at least a shadow of clans survived directly inside the Church into early penal times.
     
    Sounds very interesting, could be rewarding material for a prosopographical study, to see how family relationships worked in that context.

    Replies: @songbird

    I don’t think that’s surprising. In medieval and early modern Germany there were sometimes almost dynasties of bishops in certain sees

    I envy you, you could probably connect to some of that genealogically.

    [MORE]

    I was recently reading about a previous bishop that had dug up the corpses of heretics from the cathedral in 1641 or thereabouts, and I recognized the name of one of his officers, and thought, wouldn’t that be neat if he was the uncle of one of my ancestors? But I don’t think he is on any surviving pedigree, though he was said to be of noble blood and the bishop himself descended maternally from a former chief of the same clan.

    One bishop in penal times, who was not aristocratic is noted to have died in prison. Speaking of church property, one of my very distant Norman ancestors was made to swear some oath that he would not lay his hands on the local priest. Later family tradition, possibly apocryphical has it that one of his successors made all his heroic oaths by invoking the name of the same church.

    prosopographical

    You won’t believe me, but I think I encountered that word for the first time only a few days ago, and I had thought that there should be some ‘word of the day’ on this thread, and it would be a real challenge to get someone to use that word in a sentence. But congratulations, you have managed to do so, without looking it up!

    • Thanks: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    You won’t believe me, but I think I encountered that word for the first time only a few days ago, and I had thought that there should be some ‘word of the day’ on this thread, and it would be a real challenge to get someone to use that word in a sentence.
     
    Don't want to go too much into detail, but I tried something along those lines during my (mercifully) past academic career. There are quite a few theoretical models for researching and interpreting family relationships, aristocratic (and other) networks etc., but of course you run into serious problems when you've got only fragmentary data, and can't be certain about basic facts like which family someone belonged to. I'd still encourage you to persist in your genealogical research, it seems like you've already dug up some fascinating pieces of information, and maybe a larger picture will eventually emerge.

    Replies: @songbird

  846. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    I would have thought that somebody of your high erudition and honesty would be fully aware that korenizatsiya was a stop/gap measure designed to appease the various nationalities within the SU, and that it was abandoned in the early 1930's?:


    As the 1930s progressed, the official version of history shifted to one where the Russian Empire had brought progress and civilization to backward peoples, and where for the first time former Russian tsars and military leaders could be portrayed as national heroes. Whereas previously nationality policy had discriminated against Russians and frequently denied them national rights allowed to others, now the superiority of the Russian culture and people was increasingly celebrated. This ideological shift was reflected on the ground in the partial abandonment of korenizatsiya policies from 1932 onward and an increasing dominance of Russians in the non-Russian regions. By the end of the decade all of the national leaders of the 1920s had been purged and in many cases replaced by Russians. The semiofficial position of Russian as the lingua franca of the Soviet Union was acknowledged by a law of 1938 that made the study of Russian as a second language compulsory in all non-Russian schools.
     
    https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/nationalities-policies-soviet

    And thus the slow but certain train of Russification began to spread its grasps everywhere within the SU. BTW, I was hoping that you would favor me with a reply to my comment #821?

    Replies: @QCIC

    It seems he has discussed two closely related policies of a strategy used to limit the political influence of ethnic Russians. One policy forced Russians to integrate into the associated non-Russian cultures, the other promoted Russian-speaking non-Russians and enabled them to integrate into and control an ostensibly (or vaguely?) Russian state. These tactics are directly related and I’m sure there are many other elements of the process.

    The promotion of Sharia law may be a vaguely similar process now happening in the USA. I assume this is really a promotion of Noahide law, based on the fact that Muslims have little or no agency in the West, while Jewish people have plenty. If this forced acceptance of a dual or triple law code takes root, Sharia-aware lawyers will be drawn up into the government. On the other hand, it will become impossible for normal English-speaking lawyers to retain power unless they learn Sharia. I think this is a long-shot play by Jewish interests and is unlikely to succeed. Nonetheless, it is an example where the paradigm is changed over several generations by driving the legacy power group down and forcing them to assimilate with outside groups while simultaneously drawing the outsider groups up and actively transferring power to them, all under the guise of some civically-minded process.

    This helps me understand the RusFed issue which Ivanka laments.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    I appreciate your efforts in trying to help Ivashka out, but hopefully he'll find the time to answer my questions addressed to him, himself...he seems to have disappeared into the cave of limited communications, where AP can often be found luxuriating too:

    https://www.biblecartoons.co.uk/images/1206.jpg
    Where the New Intermarium comes to life! :-)

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @QCIC
    @QCIC

    Ivashka not Ivanka! Can I blame autocomplete?

    +++

    Ivanka is probably lamenting that her father staged pictures which straddled (crossed?) the line between Daddy's girl and horrifying child porn.

  847. @Coconuts
    @songbird

    I used to have a book about the French bishops under Louis XIV, so around 1660-1715, I sold it a while ago but going from memory it was similar in some respects. I found a summary of the book online:


    ‘Origins’, Bergin stresses, is an imprecise concept, but he nevertheless shows that over half the bishops were born north of the Loire, with a heavy concentration on Paris, and that most were of noble birth. He identifies several trends after 1661. There developed a growing ‘dynasticism’ within the prelacy. Once established in the hierarchy, families acquired other benefices, so that eventually some two-thirds of post-1661 bishops were related to each other or to their pre-1661 predecessors. The key to the crucial first step of securing a see increasingly depended on a family's service to the crown. Bergin examines the fathers of bishops and discovers that the majority were military men or senior officiers, the crown deploying the ecclesiastical promotion of sons as a reward for service in the secular sphere by fathers (with ‘military’ families being especially favoured from the 1690s when warfare was conducted on a huge scale).
     
    The difference here is that it seems more centralised in terms of space, but this would fit with the growing centralisation of higher level appointments during Louis XIVs' reign. The reward for military service aspect is interesting.

    It was a different Catholic church to the one that exists today.

    Replies: @songbird

    Thanks! That was interesting.

    James II was actually appointing (technically nominating) bishops in Ireland after he lost the Williamite War. I was thinking that there must be some connection to the war – some army officer in the family. Details about the war seem pretty fuzzy, but there is at least one candidate with what strikes me as an interesting story. (Sole survivor of a shipwreck) Remains to be seen whether I can ever locate a full list of his sons, or if one survives.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @songbird


    James II was actually appointing (technically nominating) bishops in Ireland after he lost the Williamite War.
     
    I think he was still the legitimate king really, especially for the Irish who remained Catholic so I can see why the Irish church and the Vatican would still accept his nominations. I can imagine that the English side would have been less happy about it though. I wonder how it was resolved?

    Details about the war seem pretty fuzzy, but there is at least one candidate with what strikes me as an interesting story. (Sole survivor of a shipwreck) Remains to be seen whether I can ever locate a full list of his sons, or if one survives.
     
    I know a bit about the English, Scottish and French armies in that era but not much about James' Irish one, except that iirc it was quite a decent size at the Boyne. I always wondered how it was organised and recruited. I realise I don't really know anything about the Irish side of my family beyond when they first arrived in England and where from originally (Sligo, Mayo and Cork).

    Replies: @songbird

  848. @AP
    @QCIC

    How did Chernobyl work out? Who won the moon race?

    As I wrote, Soviets did have some good engineers but the field was used as a catch-all for useless people, the types who in the USA would be in Human Resources or whatever. Many Soviet "engineers" would be technicians in the West.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    How did Chernobyl work out?

    Chernobyl worked out great from a civil engineering point of view you serial dumbfuck. It was immaculately designed, as with entire Soviet/Russian nuclear industry ( which 404 is of course still parasiting from) and the industry continues to grow very successfully. A freak combination of circumstances and human error lead to this you idiot .

    Now this is completely different to the disastrous AMERICAN made structural failure at Fukushima you demented retard. Design from seismic effects is literally one of the most fundamental critical state things to do for a NPP in Japan you idiot. There is no excuse for the structural collapses that happened, and which should have been built for seismic effects multiple times stronger.
    Or 3 mile Island incident which was clearly a failure of American engineering

    3 Mile Island killed the growth of Pindostan Nuclear Power industry, LOL. Fukushima harmed the entire western policy to Nuclear energy for a decade . Chernobyl – Soviet NP industry just carried on fine, even expanding you ridiculous scumtroll.

    Who won the moon race?

    The side spending 3-4 times more money, not having to spend the last 20 years rebuilding their country……..and the one with the most prestigious Nazi scientist leading the project ( should have been Nazi flag on moon I suppose), and of course the one with the least Galician engineers ( if such a concept even exists and isnt a contradiction in logic). Also the one who lost the space race, satellite race, orbit of Venus race, spacewalk race, woman in space, space-station in space ( ok – very low orbit, but still)

    Now , different to a sociopathic, non-life compulsive liar as yourself – I can appreciate good American engineering – Russia over centuries has welcomed and trained many great western engineers who have ran to work here ( though American engineers in post-soviet world have been nonexistant in successes)……..but Tacoma narrow bridge collapse is like the “classical” fuckup of failed engineering shown to civil engineering students in Russia and around the world you moron. Like the Eiffel tower is connected with Paris, American engineering uselessness is connected with that.

    As I wrote, Soviets did have some good engineers but the field was used as a catch-all for useless people, the types who in the USA would be in Human Resources or whatever. Many Soviet “engineers” would be technicians in the West.

    Again, this is an amusing lie from a fantasist with extreme problems – amusingly too scared to debate in directly in your comment to this Greasy commentator, and in addition with what must be extreme hemorrhoid problems. Just about the only thing truthful from a scumtroll as yourself is that you are American………and it looks like you spent the entire Friday night into Saturday morning in front of its computer judging by the timings of his posts, writing amazingly bad BS. A pitiful life.

  849. @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    America was the future and would be capable of taking Spirit to a higher level than Prussia or any other European countries could
     
    Sure, it took it way higher, all the way to the Drag Queen story time.

    BTW, it's the Pride Month (just in case you didn't notice it already because you live in some very remote location)

    https://youtu.be/FTHf_eYcjHk

    Replies: @Coconuts

    There is indeed some irony in Hegel’s idea when looked at from the present.

    I am just about out of the way enough to avoid gay pride but the UK is not big enough and social media is too present to manage it entirely.

    I hear some things that enthusiasm for it is starting to wane, but it makes you wonder what might come next.

  850. @German_reader
    Looks like Ukrainian troops (at least some of them) have trouble effectively utilizing their Western tanks (the following is from a pro-Ukrainian account, so no pro-Russian bias):

    https://twitter.com/WAJKoenitz/status/1667243300355448868

    Maybe not surprising. The training period was just too short, so crews are falling back on the tactics they know from Soviet models.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Greasy William

    The Westtards are coping by blaming the Ukrainians. The real issue is that what the Ukrainians are being asked to do is impossible. Despite not even having anything approaching parity in the air, the Ukrainians are attacking fully manned, fully prepared, modern defensive lines. This is something that no NATO force has EVER done.

    US arrogance caused this massacre

  851. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    I have a question for you: Do you think that the realists who argue that the West should throw Ukraine under the Russian bus so that the West can weaponize Russia against China (or at least try to do so) would have argued that the West should throw Poland, the Baltics, Finland, and Romania under the bus back in 1939 (had these realists actually been alive and already adults back then) so that the West should be able to establish an anti-Nazi alliance together with the Soviet Union?

    Replies: @Matra, @German_reader

    would have argued that the West should throw Poland, the Baltics, Finland, and Romania under the bus back in 1939 (had these realists actually been alive and already adults back then) so that the West should be able to establish an anti-Nazi alliance together with the Soviet Union?

    Most realists would argue that there needed to be an alliance against expansionist Germany as it was upsetting the balance of power. They would say Russia taking the Donbass is irrelevant to the US’s world position.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Matra


    Most realists would argue that there needed to be an alliance against expansionist Germany as it was upsetting the balance of power.
     
    Yes, but an anti-Nazi alliance with the Soviets made much more sense than one with the Poles due to the Soviets' much larger population, no?

    They would say Russia taking the Donbass is irrelevant to the US’s world position.
     
    Donbass, No, but all of Ukraine, Yes. Though even for the Donbass, the West should get some compensation for this, such as Russian consent to Ukrainian NATO membership.
  852. @AP
    @Dmitry


    The most recent non-slavic leader in Moscow, was only Stalin, where the judgement is mixed.
     
    Andropov was half Jewish. His Russian father died when he was 5 and he was raised by is Jewish mother.

    The period after Stalin was one of the few times in Russian history when Russians were mostly in positions of leadership.

    Of course, look beyond the leader himself and see the others. Russia's PM is Jewish, Foreign Minister Lavrov is Armenian, Defense Minister Shoigu is Tuvan. And the Chechen Kadyrov has a special role who is above many Russians.

    Stalin was one of the most successful leaders in history,
     
    Before the war he killed or starved to death millions of Soviet people. During the war, he lost 27 million Soviet citizens and allowed his huge empire to almost be conquered by much-smaller Germany that was busy occupying most of Europe while fighting on a second front.

    Stalin was the greatest gift to Russia's Anglo enemies.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Gerard1234

    Defense Minister Shoigu is Tuvan

    Amusing to see Shoigu mentioned by a clueless idiot as yourself. Shoigu – somebody with more “Ukrainian” ( such a term doesn’t exist) blood in him via his mother as accumulated in Avakov, Reznikov, Groizman, Zelensky, Schmeigel, Makarova ( Ambassador to US, so huge position for country controlled by US) and of course, the infamous wacko Danilov

    Russia’s PM is Jewish

    Ermm……..no he is not, imbecile. Armenian heritage. Most importantly he is not some random POS who steals his way into position, like in 404, but somebody who ran a very good performing stating agency -FNS.

    Foreign Minister Lavrov is Armenian,

    Half Armenian, and it thought of in Russia as Armenian as Tiger Woods is Vietnamese.
    Then there is the million other high profile positions with Russians in it. Not that there is anything wrong with non-slavs in positions of power anyway you idiot – just that in Banderastan non-ukrops control everything.

    “Coincidentally” – it always seems to be either huge majority those from the Russian regions, prostitutes or oligarchs in Russian regions, or those who have live and worked in Russia……..who get every single big position in 404. It’s fantastic that those from Tuva or Siberian region like Shoigu or Sobyanin etc are in a successful enough society that things like their appointment in powerful positions happen – different to failed states as 404

  853. @A123
    @songbird


    Wonder if A123’s prediction of Disney selling Lucasfilm will come true or not.
     
    More leaks on the potential Lucasfilm sale. Most likely buyer = George Lucas.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0p3TYk_yd5Y

    Disney needs a huge amount of money to buy out Hulu. And, they are not selling ESPN. Star Wars is their most easily sold IP.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    Seems extraordinary to me that anyone would consider Hulu to be worth $27 billion. (Minimum valuation). Isn’t the core of it just horrible network shows? But, then again, Musk paid $44 billion for Twitter.

    • Agree: A123
  854. @Philip Owen
    @QCIC

    Uh reality connection. It is Russia flirting with nuclear war. If it succeeds it will do it again. Tolerance of fascism must have its limits.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Response to Philip Owen #710

    I believe there are certain unwritten rules of Superpower military conduct which evolved during the late Cold War. These are directly related to the arms reduction treaties which were signed by the USA and the USSR and helped reduce the risk of World War 3. After the fall of the USSR, the West has unilaterally engaged in many acts against Russia which would have been recognized by all sides as extremely warlike and provocative just a decade before. This has now led to Russian RETALIATION in Ukraine and brought us to the brink of WW3.

    I think anyone wise enough to read The Unz Review can understand this perspective. Understanding doesn’t mean acceptance or agreement. However, I recommend people shake off their brainwashing and integrate these unpleasant facts.

    A partial list of seriously WARLIKE acts by the West

    Dropping out of the ABM treaty
    USA Missile sites in Romania and Poland. HELLO, this is similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis!
    Dropping out of the INF treaty on false pretenses
    Dropping out of the Open Skies Treaty on false pretenses
    Billions of dollars of regime-change NGO work in Russia and FSU countries
    Bioweapons labs in Ukraine and other FSU countries
    “Color revolutions” fomented and coups attempted in various FSU countries
    Expanding the anti-Russia NATO MILITARY ALLIANCE directly to the Russian border
    Western sanctions which could easily be considered an act of war
    Support for and participation in extensive murders of pro-Russian civilians in a neighboring country (30 miles from the Russian border!)

    This is all a continuation of the Cold War. Unfortunately, instead of wise statesmen and steely-eyed missile men at the helm we now have petulant, ignorant and cowardly adult children calling the shots in the West. If enough dangerous warlike actions are completed, well we probably get a war. Of course Russia has been doing provocative things on their own, but the scale appears to be tiny compared to the West.

    Don’t forget, due to Western provocations, Russia has developed the most lethal nuclear weapons capability in history. We did this.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @QCIC

    Here’s what the Hoover institute reacently pushed in their Steven Kotkin interview.

    Crimea and Donbas are officially ceded to Russia. The Ukies join the EU and get to buy all the German American and British equipment they want.

    This seems like the likely end point either way.


    I’d guess that the pipelines going through Poland and Ukraine are going to be dismantled though. No fee for having the pipe go through territory anymore.

    Replies: @QCIC

  855. German police have now concluded that Poland fascilitated the NS2 bombing

  856. German_reader says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    I have a question for you: Do you think that the realists who argue that the West should throw Ukraine under the Russian bus so that the West can weaponize Russia against China (or at least try to do so) would have argued that the West should throw Poland, the Baltics, Finland, and Romania under the bus back in 1939 (had these realists actually been alive and already adults back then) so that the West should be able to establish an anti-Nazi alliance together with the Soviet Union?

    Replies: @Matra, @German_reader

    have argued that the West should throw Poland, the Baltics, Finland, and Romania under the bus back in 1939

    Did Britain and France declare war on the Soviet Union as a result of Soviet encroachments on those countries? Does anybody in his right mind claim they should have (except maybe people who want to sell books, like Sean McMeekin)?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    No, but had the Anglo-French been willing to approve of Soviet expansion in the direction of these countries before the war, an Anglo-Franco-Soviet alliance against the Nazis might have had considerably greater odds of coming into fruition.

  857. @AP
    @Greasy William


    what do you think about the dam? Right now I’m leaning towards Russia did it
     
    It’s a good opportunity to identify people who are gullible and/or idiots and/or hopelessly brainwashed people. Those who think Ukraine did it are exactly such people. These kinds of idiots would be insisting that Napoleon is the one who burned Moscow down.

    - There is no evidence of rocket or artillery strikes that night. Russia controlled the dam. So Ukrainian commandos mined the dam under the Russians’ noses?

    - Blowing up dams is typically what defenses do to slow down or prevent an attack. Dutch and Soviets did it during the world wars, Ukrainians did it north of Kiev early in the war to stop the Russian advance on the city. Russia is on the defense now.

    - The greatest amount of damage occurs to areas under Ukrainian control now, or areas Ukraine hopes to capture in its counteroffensive. Scorched Earth by retesting Russian forces is a Russian specialty.

    The possible real explanations are:

    1. Accident, mismanagement, human error. The dam was compromised, the Russian authorities weren’t able to manage it, and they did stupid things like allowing the reservoir to reach record high levels which led to structural collapse. Months ago Zelensky had been asking the UN to send inspectors there for oversight, but the Russians refused. Parallel to Chernobyl accident caused by reckless incompetence.

    2. Russians meant to create a limited explosion that would wash away Ukrainian forces who had recently taken some islands and would make crossing more difficult, but instead the entire dam blew (incompetence) causing a much greater disaster than the Russians anticipated. Evidence for this was Russian bragging initially, followed by denial when the scale of the disaster became clear. Analogous to the shooting down of the Malaysian plane - Russians bragged about taking down a military transport jet, then denied it and blamed the Ukrainians.

    3. It was deliberate and planned. By blowing up the dam this weekend, this part of the front will be uncrossable for weeks (even after the water recedes the ground will be muddy and impassable for tanks for a long time). Analogous to the Soviets blowing up a dam on the same river during World War II in order to slow the German advance, killing 10,000s of Ukrainian civilians and thousands of Soviet soldiers who were also swept away.

    I think (1) and (2) are most likely because a lot of entrenched Russian equipment was lost; this stuff would probably have been moved prior to the dam’s destruction had it been planned to go the way it went. (3) is possible if it was a local commander making the decision (spooked?), without taking into consideration Russian forces downstream.

    Girkin states that both Ukrainians and Russians were surprised and unprepared for the dam’s total destruction (see under “more”), suggesting that (1) or (2) are the most likely explanations.



    https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1666347538780237825?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Russians changing their stories as the disaster unfolds:

    https://twitter.com/volodyatretyak/status/1666015265971118082?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @QCIC, @sudden death, @Gerard1234, @The Big Red Scary

    1)-3) not implausible. Also plausible is that Ukraine did it on purpose, given that they had tested doing it last year:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offensive-kharkiv-kherson-donetsk/

    • Replies: @AP
    @The Big Red Scary

    For Ukraine to have done it would have required a massive barrage of missiles and artillery and there is no evidence of them doing so. If the dam was blown up, it was blown up by mines, but the dam was under Russian control. No way that Ukrainians would have been able to mine it under that circumstance.

    So the only plausible explanations are it collapsed due to mismanagement (the water level was very high, the Russians controlling it failed to open enough sluice gages to relieve the pressure) or explosion at the base, in which case the Russians did it on purpose. Seismic data suggest the latter.

    The fact that the Ukrainians tested to see if they could blow it up (the strike they did caused minimal damage - it would take much more) doesn't change that. It suggests that Ukraine might have tried to blow it up if they got desperate due to a Russian advance across the Dnipro towards Odessa. But that isn't happening now.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @Wokechoke

  858. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    I don’t think that’s surprising. In medieval and early modern Germany there were sometimes almost dynasties of bishops in certain sees

     

    I envy you, you could probably connect to some of that genealogically.

    I was recently reading about a previous bishop that had dug up the corpses of heretics from the cathedral in 1641 or thereabouts, and I recognized the name of one of his officers, and thought, wouldn't that be neat if he was the uncle of one of my ancestors? But I don't think he is on any surviving pedigree, though he was said to be of noble blood and the bishop himself descended maternally from a former chief of the same clan.

    One bishop in penal times, who was not aristocratic is noted to have died in prison. Speaking of church property, one of my very distant Norman ancestors was made to swear some oath that he would not lay his hands on the local priest. Later family tradition, possibly apocryphical has it that one of his successors made all his heroic oaths by invoking the name of the same church.

    prosopographical
     
    You won't believe me, but I think I encountered that word for the first time only a few days ago, and I had thought that there should be some 'word of the day' on this thread, and it would be a real challenge to get someone to use that word in a sentence. But congratulations, you have managed to do so, without looking it up!

    Replies: @German_reader

    You won’t believe me, but I think I encountered that word for the first time only a few days ago, and I had thought that there should be some ‘word of the day’ on this thread, and it would be a real challenge to get someone to use that word in a sentence.

    Don’t want to go too much into detail, but I tried something along those lines during my (mercifully) past academic career. There are quite a few theoretical models for researching and interpreting family relationships, aristocratic (and other) networks etc., but of course you run into serious problems when you’ve got only fragmentary data, and can’t be certain about basic facts like which family someone belonged to. I’d still encourage you to persist in your genealogical research, it seems like you’ve already dug up some fascinating pieces of information, and maybe a larger picture will eventually emerge.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Am still somewhat hopeful of being able to connect it. Though the sources in general are poor, I still haven't tapped what I consider the most promising one.

    Entirely self-evaluation, (or perhaps some form of personal insanity) but I think I have an almost savant-like ability to identify locations. (Though the head of the Irish placenames division doesn't seem to agree!)

    Most recently I was reading an old will annotated in the 1800s, and they said some location was near a town in Ireland, but I realized it was in France. (Though spelled differently).

    Perhaps, it is because I am a poor speller, or because the internet makes it easier than ever before to synthesize info.

    But my big hope hinges on a hunch about another location. Believe it was misidentified (though somewhat logically) in the 1800s, as being a place with the same name, in a neighboring diocese. All based on the name of a bishop.

    But my theory is that he walked or rode horse slightly over the line of his diocese because the other diocese didn't have a standing bishop at the time.

    It is only one fleeting reference, not verifiable by any other easily-accessed source. But I have guessed it may have been a sort of temporary address, for a very short time, after the Restoration.

    Furthermore, there appears to be a reference to it in an Irish manuscript written about that time. (A lot hinges on when exactly) Think I would go blind, if I tried to to read it (about 1000 pages). But there is a translation, unfortunately under copyright.

    Don't even have access to the index, but still I've been able to determine that my placename appears seemingly only a short distance after what must be the start of a pedigree of that clan, though it wasn't in their old territory.

    All hinges on how long the pedigree is. I have no idea how many pages it might run, or what the quality of information is in it.

    Suppose I would have to try to get someone in Ireland to copy the pages for me, or try to hire someone. But, I'm honestly a little reluctant to try it because I think it would about crush my hopes of ever connecting it, if I was wrong.

    Replies: @German_reader

  859. AP says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    @AP

    1)-3) not implausible. Also plausible is that Ukraine did it on purpose, given that they had tested doing it last year:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offensive-kharkiv-kherson-donetsk/

    Replies: @AP

    For Ukraine to have done it would have required a massive barrage of missiles and artillery and there is no evidence of them doing so. If the dam was blown up, it was blown up by mines, but the dam was under Russian control. No way that Ukrainians would have been able to mine it under that circumstance.

    So the only plausible explanations are it collapsed due to mismanagement (the water level was very high, the Russians controlling it failed to open enough sluice gages to relieve the pressure) or explosion at the base, in which case the Russians did it on purpose. Seismic data suggest the latter.

    The fact that the Ukrainians tested to see if they could blow it up (the strike they did caused minimal damage – it would take much more) doesn’t change that. It suggests that Ukraine might have tried to blow it up if they got desperate due to a Russian advance across the Dnipro towards Odessa. But that isn’t happening now.

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    @AP

    You didn't read the article, did you?

    Replies: @AP

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    I don’t see a clear cut case where either side benefitted from this dam being blown up. Has it help either side at all?

    Replies: @German_reader

  860. @German_reader
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/06/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-ukraine-russia/

    Haha.
    Either Ukraine's leadership is really crazy, or this means the US is preparing to throw Ukraine under the bus to divert from its own responsibility for the Nordstream sabotage.
    At least the accident theory which some commenters here wanted to believe in can be firmly ruled out.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Matra, @The Big Red Scary

    Regardless of what really happened, German_reader is correct to ask why GAE is changing its story now. If if this story is true, why tell it? However, it might not be so much that the US is preparing to throw all of Ukraine under the bus, but that the screen-writers of this dark comedy have decided that this is Zaluzhny’s final season on the show.

    By the way. Israelis should exterminate the haredi parasites. Europe is so fake and gay it deserves to be nuked. If only everyone was so based and German_reader pilled.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @The Big Red Scary


    Europe is so fake and gay it deserves to be nuked.
     
    Europe's great failure is her weakness and eager acquiescence in letting others dictate her fate. If this war does go nuclear (and I'm not convinced the risk is actually that high, unless something drastically changes, like Ukraine breaking through towards Crimea, or Russia coming close to occupying all of Ukraine, both of which don't look that likely now), my greatest wish is that it won't be limited to central Europe as the sacrificial lamb dying for the sins of the great powers, but that both Russia and the US will be utterly destroyed.
    One can only hope that at least China and the rest of East Asia would escape such a conflagration and do a better job than the crazy white men.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @A123

  861. @AP
    @The Big Red Scary

    For Ukraine to have done it would have required a massive barrage of missiles and artillery and there is no evidence of them doing so. If the dam was blown up, it was blown up by mines, but the dam was under Russian control. No way that Ukrainians would have been able to mine it under that circumstance.

    So the only plausible explanations are it collapsed due to mismanagement (the water level was very high, the Russians controlling it failed to open enough sluice gages to relieve the pressure) or explosion at the base, in which case the Russians did it on purpose. Seismic data suggest the latter.

    The fact that the Ukrainians tested to see if they could blow it up (the strike they did caused minimal damage - it would take much more) doesn't change that. It suggests that Ukraine might have tried to blow it up if they got desperate due to a Russian advance across the Dnipro towards Odessa. But that isn't happening now.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @Wokechoke

    You didn’t read the article, did you?

    • Replies: @AP
    @The Big Red Scary

    It's behind a paywall. I assumed you referred to it when you mentioned the HIMARS strike a few months ago?

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @Emil Nikola Richard

  862. German_reader says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    @German_reader

    Regardless of what really happened, German_reader is correct to ask why GAE is changing its story now. If if this story is true, why tell it? However, it might not be so much that the US is preparing to throw all of Ukraine under the bus, but that the screen-writers of this dark comedy have decided that this is Zaluzhny's final season on the show.

    By the way. Israelis should exterminate the haredi parasites. Europe is so fake and gay it deserves to be nuked. If only everyone was so based and German_reader pilled.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Europe is so fake and gay it deserves to be nuked.

    Europe’s great failure is her weakness and eager acquiescence in letting others dictate her fate. If this war does go nuclear (and I’m not convinced the risk is actually that high, unless something drastically changes, like Ukraine breaking through towards Crimea, or Russia coming close to occupying all of Ukraine, both of which don’t look that likely now), my greatest wish is that it won’t be limited to central Europe as the sacrificial lamb dying for the sins of the great powers, but that both Russia and the US will be utterly destroyed.
    One can only hope that at least China and the rest of East Asia would escape such a conflagration and do a better job than the crazy white men.

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    @German_reader

    If it goes nuclear (which may happen through an escalation ladder each step of which is rational for either side until there is some mistake), then you'll probably get your wish. In particular, Ukraine is likely to suffer nothing worse than a bit of fallout. The Big Red Scary plan for Ukrainian victory in fact would be precisely to try to provoke a nuclear war between Russia and the US.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @A123
    @German_reader


    Europe’s great failure is her weakness and eager acquiescence in letting others dictate her fate
     
    Europe's great failure seems to be acquiescing to Germany. The German EU is all about replacing Christian European values with SJW German Globalist values.

    Who are these 'others' of whom you speak?

    Did some 'other' send German Leopard tanks to be destroyed in Ukraine? Hmmm... The German tank seems pretty German to me.

    Before you go into one of your highly predictable "Blame America" propaganda rants, understand what we are dealing with over here.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ljluzYTUcpM

    The illegitimate U.S. regime is being rolled by 2nd/3rd tier figures like AMLO and MbS. When Scholz commands America to jump -- Not-The-President Biden asks, "How High, Sir?"

    PEACE 😇

  863. Battle of the Nations
    Poland Czechia

  864. @German_reader
    @The Big Red Scary


    Europe is so fake and gay it deserves to be nuked.
     
    Europe's great failure is her weakness and eager acquiescence in letting others dictate her fate. If this war does go nuclear (and I'm not convinced the risk is actually that high, unless something drastically changes, like Ukraine breaking through towards Crimea, or Russia coming close to occupying all of Ukraine, both of which don't look that likely now), my greatest wish is that it won't be limited to central Europe as the sacrificial lamb dying for the sins of the great powers, but that both Russia and the US will be utterly destroyed.
    One can only hope that at least China and the rest of East Asia would escape such a conflagration and do a better job than the crazy white men.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @A123

    If it goes nuclear (which may happen through an escalation ladder each step of which is rational for either side until there is some mistake), then you’ll probably get your wish. In particular, Ukraine is likely to suffer nothing worse than a bit of fallout. The Big Red Scary plan for Ukrainian victory in fact would be precisely to try to provoke a nuclear war between Russia and the US.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @The Big Red Scary

    Presumably it would start with use of tactical nukes in Ukraine and a NATO reaction to that. I can't imagine Ukraine would get away mostly unscathed, there would at least be a couple of spare missiles for its cities.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary

  865. • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mikhail

    paranoid nonsense.

    The US military will never directly enter the conflict. The American public would not stand for it. Anyone who says otherwise does not understand US politics.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @QCIC

  866. @Mikhail
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifP1HK-hWV4&t=1755s

    Replies: @Greasy William

    paranoid nonsense.

    The US military will never directly enter the conflict. The American public would not stand for it. Anyone who says otherwise does not understand US politics.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Greasy William

    Listen to the whole video as the title is mocking.

    , @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    Keep dreaming. The government has made the economy of the USA extremely fragile. This state of affairs can easily be manipulated into creating widespread support for getting involved in a war. The details of the war probably don't matter too much :(

  867. @The Big Red Scary
    @AP

    You didn't read the article, did you?

    Replies: @AP

    It’s behind a paywall. I assumed you referred to it when you mentioned the HIMARS strike a few months ago?

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    @AP

    Move to Russia and you can read it for free.

    Your explanations are internally inconsistent, but it doesn't matter, because it's spooks all the way down and at the end of the day, who cares who blew up what? If I were Tsar, I would have gone full Ivan Grozny long ago. I don't believe the Russians did it because I don't believe they have the balls to do it, not because I feel the need to blame Ukraine. All that matters is what the new equilibrium will be, and that will probably take many years to develop.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AP

    https://archive.is/vIggz

    got around the paywall for me.

  868. @AP
    @The Big Red Scary

    It's behind a paywall. I assumed you referred to it when you mentioned the HIMARS strike a few months ago?

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Move to Russia and you can read it for free.

    Your explanations are internally inconsistent, but it doesn’t matter, because it’s spooks all the way down and at the end of the day, who cares who blew up what? If I were Tsar, I would have gone full Ivan Grozny long ago. I don’t believe the Russians did it because I don’t believe they have the balls to do it, not because I feel the need to blame Ukraine. All that matters is what the new equilibrium will be, and that will probably take many years to develop.

  869. The infamous American Pole, Ted Kaczynski just died.
    Whatever you think of him, he was a man of integrity truly acting on his own, unlike, let’s say, Assange. You don’t meet like him anymore. And his manifesto wasn’t really that bad.

    Moreover, he judged his own family as strong as he judged everyone else, and with a certain sense of humour still:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/10/unabomber-ted-kaczynski-81-dies-in-us-prison-cell

    “David Kaczynski wanted his role kept confidential, but his identity quickly leaked out and Ted Kaczynski vowed never to forgive his younger sibling. He ignored his letters, turned his back on him at court hearings and described David Kaczynski in a 1999 book draft as a “Judas Iscariot [who] … doesn’t even have enough courage to go hang himself.”

    Ironic how the people with the surname of Kaczynski have been becoming “bad” guys of history, despite them being actually true idealists.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Whatever you think of him, he was a man of integrity truly acting on his own, unlike, let’s say, Assange.
     
    Well, at least Assange hasn't murdered anyone so far (more likely he'll be himself, through the judicial process he's been subjected to).
    iirc his appeal against extradition to the US has been rejected, but of course not a big story in Western media.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    , @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Funny how the people with the surname of Kaczynski have been becoming bad guys of history, despite them being actually true idealists.
     
    One can be both. I disagree with the Romantic idea of absolving people because they are True Idealists.

    Didn't he seriously injure and kill a bunch of civilians with his letter bombs?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski#Bombings

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Another Polish Perspective

    His book held my interest.

    His brain was diseased. The most interesting tidbit in the Chase book was where he told the doctor he wanted a sex change operation because that was his only route for ever touching a woman.

    Matthew Ehret had a decent article on eco terrorism the other day.

    https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/roots-of-modern-eco-terrorism/

    , @silviosilver
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Ironic how the people with the surname of Kaczynski have been becoming “bad” guys of history, despite them being actually true idealists.
     
    There is nothing whatsoever "ironic" about that. It is simply correctly identifying him as the piece of shit that he was, not only for the harm he did do, but also for the far greater devastation a widespread adoption of his revolting "ideals" would have caused.

    I piss on his idealism. Humankind's destiny must be directed toward the stars. There is no turning back from technological advancement. Even if the worst predictions of the enviro-catastrophists are an actual possibility (rather than lurid fantasy), that is one all-or-nothing gamble I am more than willing to take.

    Replies: @German_reader

  870. @Gerard1234
    @Greasy William


    Real engineers have a totally unjustified superiority complex.
     
    Very strange to hear that. Can we be clear we are talking about actual engineers? Not IT "Engineers", Fashion Engineers or whatever?

    The closest thing to what you are saying that I know of is, of course, Architects ( often dickheads, even on a good day) masquerading as civil engineers and displaying extreme arrogance - or at least try and take the credit for engineering achievements. A lot of people get confused on the 2 roles as in what they do.

    Centuries before they were effectively the same thing/same person

    Replies: @Greasy William

    in America, engineers literally wear a ring to show off their putative superiority to regular people. But, like I said, if they were really that smart they would have become mathematicians or at least physicists (I hate physicists too).

    Software “engineers” know that they are a joke so they aren’t nearly as bad.

    It’s possible that engineers in other countries aren’t as obnoxious as American engineers.

    One last thing: Hitler was a big fan of engineers. Anyone who supports engineers is basically saying that Hitler was right.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William

    I support engineers!

    , @A123
    @Greasy William


    in America, engineers literally wear a ring to show off their putative superiority to regular people
     
    Where did you get this idea?

    In America one can buy a ring. But it is a home display / graduation item.

     
    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2553/0836/products/G_300x300.gif
     

    Engineers do not wear them. It is a good way to lose a finger. If you have a strong stomach search on "degloving finger injury".

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Greasy William

  871. German_reader says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    @German_reader

    If it goes nuclear (which may happen through an escalation ladder each step of which is rational for either side until there is some mistake), then you'll probably get your wish. In particular, Ukraine is likely to suffer nothing worse than a bit of fallout. The Big Red Scary plan for Ukrainian victory in fact would be precisely to try to provoke a nuclear war between Russia and the US.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Presumably it would start with use of tactical nukes in Ukraine and a NATO reaction to that. I can’t imagine Ukraine would get away mostly unscathed, there would at least be a couple of spare missiles for its cities.

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    @German_reader

    Use of tactical nukes in Ukraine is the beginning of one path to nuclear war, but I don't think among the more likely ones.

    Very likely there will still be major mistakes and disasters for Russia at the front, because the army is a rusty organization run by midwits, but the Russian government can evidently maintain the current level of war in Ukraine indefinitely The weapons factories where I live have tripled in size and are constantly recruiting all types of workers. Big money and advertising efforts are being put into military recruitment.

    And contrary to the rather amusing caricatures you read about Wagner in GAE media, for Russian proles Wagner and the other PMCs (there are many) are simply the coolest thing ever and pay really well too. All over the place you see prole mobiles plastered with Wagner stickers. The muzhiki are on the war path.

    Anyhow, you don't drop tactical nukes on a band of terrorists who have occupied your provincial capitals. You hit them with cruise missiles when you decide the time is right. So far Russia has been reluctant to hit even localized "decision making centers" in Kiev, let alone to bomb entire cities.

    Ukraine as such is just one small aspect of what this war is about. A more likely path, I think, is some standoff with NATO about either the Aegis missile bases (one of the main strategic issues that Russia is demanding be resolved) or a blockade of the Black or Baltic seas. We aren't there yet, though.

    Replies: @German_reader

  872. @QCIC
    @LatW

    I assume this language shift would have happened naturally from 1950-1990 because the industrial base of Ukraine grew enormously as part of the Soviet Union. Technical, scientific and industrial ventures are more efficient with a shared language. This doesn't effect farmers, miners and shop keepers but is important for their kids who are growing up in the modernized economic reality.

    Replies: @LatW

    I assume this language shift would have happened naturally from 1950-1990 because the industrial base of Ukraine grew enormously as part of the Soviet Union. Technical, scientific and industrial ventures are more efficient with a shared language.

    You miss my point – I’m looking for details, not the general description. Everyone knows there was industrial growth during that period with everything that comes with it.

    [MORE]

    I’m someone who was Russified at a very early age (attempted to be Russified, didn’t work, possibly even before the age of 5 because I do not have a conscious memory of when I first spoke Russian, it was that early, I know that I spoke it well before I went to first grade and I remember learning to read Cyrillic with my mom before the age of 6, one of my first life memories is playing with a very cute Russian girl with angel blond hair in our neighborhood, possibly at around age 4 – so I’m just trying to figure out how the Eastern Ukrainians who predominantly spoke Ukrainian before the war and most likely in the 1950s still, why they changed / turned their language while I did not, why they didn’t have two co-existing separate language environments the way we had it). I’m not talking about the growth and industrialization that intensified after the 1950s, actually later – that was taking place everywhere where there had been an Imperial economic, industrial and cultural center.

    For example, the Caucasian peoples were Russified, too, but they retained their languages – at least the Georgians and the Nohchi. Not to mention the Azeris.

    What is a language shift that “happens naturally”, as you write? There is nothing natural about it. My guess is that in Ukraine’s case there was something else going on in the dynamic between the Maloros and Velikoros that wasn’t fully going on with others. Maybe that the Velikoros were considered some “golden standard”.

    In the video above, Arestovych said something like “Every girl in Galicia wanted to date an NKVD’shnik because that meant she could move out of the countryside and into the city”, and we can assume that this NKVD’shnik would most likely be a Russian speaking outsider, not even local Ukrainian Sovok collaborator. First of all, I don’t believe this is true of W.Ukrainian women (with the exception of probably a certain type, what would I call “easier”), but if it were true to some significant extent, then this is very different from Baltic women – for Baltic women to wish to date an NKVD’shnik would have been unthinkable (although I’m sure all kinds of things may have happened but it’s not the norm). The Balts also had their own city culture, that was a mixture of things inherited from before as well as some newly made Sovok stuff. I would imagine the Ukrainians would have something similar as well, even in places like Kharkiv. Why didn’t they just stick to that? Maybe because it’s a very large population and people do make these choices based on economic or social needs and similar strivings. There must have been a lot of intermarriage as well.

    Sorry for such mundane, primitive details, but it might be important to figure out what really happened there. There’s no such thing as giving up one’s language naturally. Maybe it could be interesting to see what happened with the languages on the British Isles and how they were eradicated or how people transitioned to English (but I believe the circumstances were harder for the native languages there than in the EE). I had a friend who when he was little, came home one day from school and started talking to his parents (!!) in Russian, because he had been speaking Russian half of the day at school, his dad freaked out and immediately put him in a different school (more Latvian speaking). But this would be a rare occurrance. I wonder why the East Ukrainian parents did not do this if this happened. It might have been because Russian and Ukrainian are somewhat close languages and maybe because the Russian language had higher status?

    Of course, there is no problem using both languages, the problem only starts when decades later the large neighboring country decides that you are in fact “Russian and need to be taken into the fold”. It is clear that many E.Ukrainians were totally oblivious to this prospect.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    Interesting questions. Hebrew becoming dominant in the area which is now Israel seems to be an example of "unnatural" takeover of a language.

    In the Southwestern USA, I believe Spanish may become the dominant language in roughly 50 years. At that point we may have a few elites speaking English or Spanish with most people speaking a lingua franca which is a creole of roughly 2/3 Spanish and 1/3 English. The "invasion" of Spanish people which leads to this change is unnatural. The evolution of the language will be a simple side-effect of that invasion.

    The turning point in the transition might be visible in mixed American families of native Anglo and invader Hispanic parents when it becomes more acceptable to raise their American kids to speak Spanish instead of English. Modern technologies of instantaneous translation may change the way this process plays out.

    The history of different peoples, cultures and languages in Eastern Europe is much richer than the USA.

  873. German_reader says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    The infamous American Pole, Ted Kaczynski just died.
    Whatever you think of him, he was a man of integrity truly acting on his own, unlike, let's say, Assange. You don't meet like him anymore. And his manifesto wasn't really that bad.

    Moreover, he judged his own family as strong as he judged everyone else, and with a certain sense of humour still:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/10/unabomber-ted-kaczynski-81-dies-in-us-prison-cell

    "David Kaczynski wanted his role kept confidential, but his identity quickly leaked out and Ted Kaczynski vowed never to forgive his younger sibling. He ignored his letters, turned his back on him at court hearings and described David Kaczynski in a 1999 book draft as a “Judas Iscariot [who] ... doesn’t even have enough courage to go hang himself.”

    Ironic how the people with the surname of Kaczynski have been becoming "bad" guys of history, despite them being actually true idealists.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard, @silviosilver

    Whatever you think of him, he was a man of integrity truly acting on his own, unlike, let’s say, Assange.

    Well, at least Assange hasn’t murdered anyone so far (more likely he’ll be himself, through the judicial process he’s been subjected to).
    iirc his appeal against extradition to the US has been rejected, but of course not a big story in Western media.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader

    And yet Assange ideas are not really discussed unlike Kaczynski ideas which are more firmly set in public consciousness. In other words, Assange's ideas are not greater than his personality.

    As for his judicial travails, it took really long to decide this last appeal. A bit strange. Assange story either goes very fast or very slow. But someone takes care to assure its continuation. Which means that the system is not really interested in his true elimination.

  874. AP says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    The infamous American Pole, Ted Kaczynski just died.
    Whatever you think of him, he was a man of integrity truly acting on his own, unlike, let's say, Assange. You don't meet like him anymore. And his manifesto wasn't really that bad.

    Moreover, he judged his own family as strong as he judged everyone else, and with a certain sense of humour still:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/10/unabomber-ted-kaczynski-81-dies-in-us-prison-cell

    "David Kaczynski wanted his role kept confidential, but his identity quickly leaked out and Ted Kaczynski vowed never to forgive his younger sibling. He ignored his letters, turned his back on him at court hearings and described David Kaczynski in a 1999 book draft as a “Judas Iscariot [who] ... doesn’t even have enough courage to go hang himself.”

    Ironic how the people with the surname of Kaczynski have been becoming "bad" guys of history, despite them being actually true idealists.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard, @silviosilver

    Funny how the people with the surname of Kaczynski have been becoming bad guys of history, despite them being actually true idealists.

    One can be both. I disagree with the Romantic idea of absolving people because they are True Idealists.

    Didn’t he seriously injure and kill a bunch of civilians with his letter bombs?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski#Bombings

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @AP

    In his view, they were functionaries of industrial Moloch (to summon Fritz Lang imagery from "Metropolis"). They weren't postmen or bakers.
    Since you can freely choose your vocation in USA, in his eyes they were his legitimate opponents.

  875. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Well, we both know that by the end of the Soviet Union, the Moscow nomenklatura was in great part made of southern Russian and Ukrainian clans. Especially the clan of Dneprpetrovsk, to which belonged Brezhnev.
     
    Brezhnev was an ethnic Russian. But yes - the end of the USSR was the only time when Russia was ruled by ethnic Russians.

    We also both know that the Ukrainian SSR had its own Communist Party
     
    Which was brought to Ukraine and imposed upon Ukraine by Bolshevik Russia. Which killed millions of Ukrainians.

    That it was represented in the United Nations
     
    Another vote for Moscow. It always voted as Moscow did.

    While, Russian Federation SSR had no Russian Rebuplican Communist Party, instead having the Soviet Union Communist Party, it had no Russian Republic KGB, but had the Union KGB
     
    Soviet Union itself was a grotesque recombination of the Russian Empire. Russian Empire also can be said not to have been "Russian." It had a German ruling family, and an aristocracy full of Germans, Tatar, etc. families.

    So yeah, the Moskaly have often in their history been ruled by foreign elites, among which the Ukrainians had their share of power (Potyomkin, Rozumovskyi)
     
    And Bezborodko. But none of them really had power. Rozumovsky was easily forced into retirement by the German Catherine II.

    Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.
     
    Ukraine got stuck under Moscow/Saint Petersburg as a consequence of Khmelnytsky's treason. What did it mean to be stuck under Moscow? It meant native local Slavic elites losing power, and sharing with Russians the fate of having cruel German, Georgian, Jewish etc. masters. The people who enserfed their Slavic subjects (the German Catherine), or starved millions of them to death (the Georgian Stalin and his Jewish underlings). If Russia conquered Ukraine and united the two countries, creatures like Kadyrov would have power over Ukrainians as they do over Russians.

    And the genuine Russia ended with the Time of Troubles and the Raskol
     
    The genuine Russia you speak of had an elite full of Tatar origin and Norse (Rurikid) origin families. Why does the phenomenon of being ruled by those foreign-origin elites make it "genuine Russia" while being ruled by the Germans who followed, and after that the Georgians and Russian-speaking Jews, make it not genuine Russia?

    The Soviet regime did far more to Russify Ukraine linguistically than the Tsars ever did.

    Replies: @LatW, @Another Polish Perspective

    It seems Scandinavians ruled much of Europe. I have recently talked with some Scots, who made me aware that even Scottish independence movement wasn’t always fully Scottish since people like Robert the Bruce were actually Norman. Thus the Norman conquest of the British Isles is the defining factor for UK history, even if often forgotten.

    Perhaps due to this reason, these guys were strongly anti-British, to the point of quoting some “Lizzy in the box” memes from the funeral of Elisabeth II (memes which the British TV certainly did not relay to us, continentals).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Perhaps, somewhat amusingly, when Robert the Bruce sent his brother to invade Ireland, he made an appeal to common blood:


    Robert had smoothed his brother's way by writing a remarkable letter to: 'all the kings of Ireland, the prelates and clergy and to the inhabitants of all Ireland, our friends'.

    The Scots would come, he said, not as invaders but as liberators, for: 'our people and your people, free in times past, share the same national ancestry and are urged to come together more eagerly and joyfully in friendship by a common language and common custom'.

    What he was proposing was a Gaelic alliance, across the Irish Sea, 'so that God willing, nostra natio - our nation - may be restored to her former liberty'.
     
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/middle_ages/ireland_invasion_01.shtml

    Though he was supposedly descended from MacMurrough.

    Part of my family had a farm on top of the remains of some town that Edward completely razed to the ground. IIRC, lots of skeletons.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Sean

  876. @German_reader
    @songbird


    You won’t believe me, but I think I encountered that word for the first time only a few days ago, and I had thought that there should be some ‘word of the day’ on this thread, and it would be a real challenge to get someone to use that word in a sentence.
     
    Don't want to go too much into detail, but I tried something along those lines during my (mercifully) past academic career. There are quite a few theoretical models for researching and interpreting family relationships, aristocratic (and other) networks etc., but of course you run into serious problems when you've got only fragmentary data, and can't be certain about basic facts like which family someone belonged to. I'd still encourage you to persist in your genealogical research, it seems like you've already dug up some fascinating pieces of information, and maybe a larger picture will eventually emerge.

    Replies: @songbird

    Am still somewhat hopeful of being able to connect it. Though the sources in general are poor, I still haven’t tapped what I consider the most promising one.

    [MORE]

    Entirely self-evaluation, (or perhaps some form of personal insanity) but I think I have an almost savant-like ability to identify locations. (Though the head of the Irish placenames division doesn’t seem to agree!)

    Most recently I was reading an old will annotated in the 1800s, and they said some location was near a town in Ireland, but I realized it was in France. (Though spelled differently).

    Perhaps, it is because I am a poor speller, or because the internet makes it easier than ever before to synthesize info.

    But my big hope hinges on a hunch about another location. Believe it was misidentified (though somewhat logically) in the 1800s, as being a place with the same name, in a neighboring diocese. All based on the name of a bishop.

    But my theory is that he walked or rode horse slightly over the line of his diocese because the other diocese didn’t have a standing bishop at the time.

    It is only one fleeting reference, not verifiable by any other easily-accessed source. But I have guessed it may have been a sort of temporary address, for a very short time, after the Restoration.

    Furthermore, there appears to be a reference to it in an Irish manuscript written about that time. (A lot hinges on when exactly) Think I would go blind, if I tried to to read it (about 1000 pages). But there is a translation, unfortunately under copyright.

    Don’t even have access to the index, but still I’ve been able to determine that my placename appears seemingly only a short distance after what must be the start of a pedigree of that clan, though it wasn’t in their old territory.

    All hinges on how long the pedigree is. I have no idea how many pages it might run, or what the quality of information is in it.

    Suppose I would have to try to get someone in Ireland to copy the pages for me, or try to hire someone. But, I’m honestly a little reluctant to try it because I think it would about crush my hopes of ever connecting it, if I was wrong.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    But, I’m honestly a little reluctant to try it because I think it would about crush my hopes of ever connecting it, if I was wrong.
     
    If you don't try it, you'll always wonder about the missed opportunity. If it's a dead end, then it can't be helped. At least you'll have certainty, and maybe you'll find something unexpected in that manuscript that leads you somewhere else.
    Have you looked if there's some sort of general survey about Irish sees and their bishops? I just googled, and the only thing I could quickly find is this (from 1717, going to 1665)
    https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/details/bsb10939939
    but there must be more recent reference works.

    Replies: @songbird

  877. @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Funny how the people with the surname of Kaczynski have been becoming bad guys of history, despite them being actually true idealists.
     
    One can be both. I disagree with the Romantic idea of absolving people because they are True Idealists.

    Didn't he seriously injure and kill a bunch of civilians with his letter bombs?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski#Bombings

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    In his view, they were functionaries of industrial Moloch (to summon Fritz Lang imagery from “Metropolis”). They weren’t postmen or bakers.
    Since you can freely choose your vocation in USA, in his eyes they were his legitimate opponents.

  878. @AP
    @The Big Red Scary

    It's behind a paywall. I assumed you referred to it when you mentioned the HIMARS strike a few months ago?

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://archive.is/vIggz

    got around the paywall for me.

    • Thanks: AP
  879. @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Whatever you think of him, he was a man of integrity truly acting on his own, unlike, let’s say, Assange.
     
    Well, at least Assange hasn't murdered anyone so far (more likely he'll be himself, through the judicial process he's been subjected to).
    iirc his appeal against extradition to the US has been rejected, but of course not a big story in Western media.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    And yet Assange ideas are not really discussed unlike Kaczynski ideas which are more firmly set in public consciousness. In other words, Assange’s ideas are not greater than his personality.

    As for his judicial travails, it took really long to decide this last appeal. A bit strange. Assange story either goes very fast or very slow. But someone takes care to assure its continuation. Which means that the system is not really interested in his true elimination.

  880. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Am still somewhat hopeful of being able to connect it. Though the sources in general are poor, I still haven't tapped what I consider the most promising one.

    Entirely self-evaluation, (or perhaps some form of personal insanity) but I think I have an almost savant-like ability to identify locations. (Though the head of the Irish placenames division doesn't seem to agree!)

    Most recently I was reading an old will annotated in the 1800s, and they said some location was near a town in Ireland, but I realized it was in France. (Though spelled differently).

    Perhaps, it is because I am a poor speller, or because the internet makes it easier than ever before to synthesize info.

    But my big hope hinges on a hunch about another location. Believe it was misidentified (though somewhat logically) in the 1800s, as being a place with the same name, in a neighboring diocese. All based on the name of a bishop.

    But my theory is that he walked or rode horse slightly over the line of his diocese because the other diocese didn't have a standing bishop at the time.

    It is only one fleeting reference, not verifiable by any other easily-accessed source. But I have guessed it may have been a sort of temporary address, for a very short time, after the Restoration.

    Furthermore, there appears to be a reference to it in an Irish manuscript written about that time. (A lot hinges on when exactly) Think I would go blind, if I tried to to read it (about 1000 pages). But there is a translation, unfortunately under copyright.

    Don't even have access to the index, but still I've been able to determine that my placename appears seemingly only a short distance after what must be the start of a pedigree of that clan, though it wasn't in their old territory.

    All hinges on how long the pedigree is. I have no idea how many pages it might run, or what the quality of information is in it.

    Suppose I would have to try to get someone in Ireland to copy the pages for me, or try to hire someone. But, I'm honestly a little reluctant to try it because I think it would about crush my hopes of ever connecting it, if I was wrong.

    Replies: @German_reader

    But, I’m honestly a little reluctant to try it because I think it would about crush my hopes of ever connecting it, if I was wrong.

    If you don’t try it, you’ll always wonder about the missed opportunity. If it’s a dead end, then it can’t be helped. At least you’ll have certainty, and maybe you’ll find something unexpected in that manuscript that leads you somewhere else.
    Have you looked if there’s some sort of general survey about Irish sees and their bishops? I just googled, and the only thing I could quickly find is this (from 1717, going to 1665)
    https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/details/bsb10939939
    but there must be more recent reference works.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Ware unfortunately died before my confident relation became bishop. But perhaps he might still be an interesting source.

    By coincidence, the scribe who wrote the source of my greatest interest worked for Ware, at times.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubhaltach_Mac_Fhirbhisigh

    With your prodding, I just discovered a new, easily-accessed source: a prosopographical database.
    https://mural.maynoothuniversity.ie/7686/

    Doesn't have what I most wanted to know, the original source for the location of an ordination. (Think he probably copied some much later source I have seen) But am pleased to see he makes the same connection to France that I did, and has more info on two of these other figures I was curious about, including that one had a will, though he does not mention several others and says nothing genealogical.

    Don't get me wrong: my reluctance to pursue the source is more of the nature of procrastination than a refusal. Guess I am having fun poking around and don't want it to end yet.

    Vaguely recall there was some guy who wrote sketchy pedigrees for bishops. Next, I think I'll try to see for which ones.

  881. @Another Polish Perspective
    The infamous American Pole, Ted Kaczynski just died.
    Whatever you think of him, he was a man of integrity truly acting on his own, unlike, let's say, Assange. You don't meet like him anymore. And his manifesto wasn't really that bad.

    Moreover, he judged his own family as strong as he judged everyone else, and with a certain sense of humour still:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/10/unabomber-ted-kaczynski-81-dies-in-us-prison-cell

    "David Kaczynski wanted his role kept confidential, but his identity quickly leaked out and Ted Kaczynski vowed never to forgive his younger sibling. He ignored his letters, turned his back on him at court hearings and described David Kaczynski in a 1999 book draft as a “Judas Iscariot [who] ... doesn’t even have enough courage to go hang himself.”

    Ironic how the people with the surname of Kaczynski have been becoming "bad" guys of history, despite them being actually true idealists.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard, @silviosilver

    His book held my interest.

    His brain was diseased. The most interesting tidbit in the Chase book was where he told the doctor he wanted a sex change operation because that was his only route for ever touching a woman.

    Matthew Ehret had a decent article on eco terrorism the other day.

    https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/roots-of-modern-eco-terrorism/

  882. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    The problem is that when it comes to ethnic Russians, they are actually divided, there are those who go along with this Noviop state or at least accept it passively and those who don’t view it as fully theirs and, frankly, whose identity really is different from those mentioned above.
     
    It's the same thing in the West where most normies go along whatever their propaganda teaches them. However, in RusFed at least some Russians are awake enough to write something along the lines of:

    https://www.libex.ru/detail/book860041.html

    Interestingly, Arestovitch seems to have read the book.

    https://youtu.be/ClYeySohKhk

    And yeah, I have recently learned that he is keenly interested in Trika Shaivism. He has a very good grasp on its co concepts and practical applications.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Shaivism

    Replies: @LatW

    Interestingly, Arestovitch seems to have read the book.

    I started reading that book, it’s good (even if a bit too much “doom and gloom”, as many of these nationalist books tend to be which is understandable).

    As to Arestovych, yes, I’m aware of his so called 5th project. There is a lot to dissect there, but let me just say that overall, yes, it is good to have such broader ideas, I like the very fact that an alternative is proposed and there is also a place for a polemic (I’m aware of the backlash he’s getting from Ukrainian nationalists and even Euro-friendlies).

    This inclusive model is nothing new – it is essentially at play in many EE countries, who are open to attracting international talent, however most of those states are still nation-states with one dominating ethnicity. In fact, most of the European history has been that way, with constant exchange of ideas and the traversing of “elite” (and not so elite) human capital, as is the catchphrase these days on our site. 🙂

    In Ukraine, this could be considered for the future if Ukrainian is perceived as the default nationality (and of course Arestovych is talking about a complete reconstruction of the existing national narratives) but I don’t think that’s what Arestovych wants – he mentions several traditions (Ukrainian, Russian, Turkic, etc) that are present. The problem is that many will not agree with this concept of the multi-cultural state (especially now that the Ukrainian people have been through so much), although there would have been great potential to co-exist (if it wasn’t for the war). There is also a big difference between a multi-ethnic state that respects all of its traditional groups (groups that have been present for hundreds of years if not longer) vs a post-national, global, multi-cultural, multi-racial, multi-gendered state ideology (there is a fundamental difference there and a very slippery slope there and a temptation by some to conflate or dilute these two very differing concepts so one must tread very carefully there, especially in EE).

    A lot of what he says seems attractive to me, I’m quite open to these musings at least on a conversational level, but there is a danger with this approach – once you let foreigners in (he goes beyond just Russian speakers, and talks about attracting exotic foreigners who are, funnily enough, not even exotic anymore by Western standards), you may end up not having control over them eventually and ideas and practices will expand at the expense of the native interests.

    He uses the example of Sich and proposes a kind of a neo-Sich for the modern age where anyone who has something valuable to contribute is welcomed on the Sich. However, let’s not forget that the original Sich was a strictly all male military entity, essentially a military order of a kind. The rules, the goals and the function served are different there than in a larger society. Especially, with the future in mind, given how demographics are changing globally, this is a great risk, imo. Some select top performing and rare talent could be good to attract (and also regular EU citizens and friendly Russians and Belarusians, ofc), that goes without saying – but to invite anybody from anywhere in the world who has anything to offer, as he proposes? I think that’s going a bit too far. Besides Ukrainians are a very talented people, they can cultivate and grow their own talent.

    As to korenizatsia, I’d have to read up on it fully, but my hunch is that this was done in the early SU to appease nationalities when the Soviet power structure and the policing mechanism and the Soviet state in general was not yet strong enough to dominate fully – they had to do this, otherwise there would be unrest and they could fail to control their newly created state after all the trials of revolution and Civil and world wars. Only later, after the 1930s terror and onwards, did the state solidify to have full control over all the nationalities. I mean, how do you expect this to be – incorporate sizable ethnic groups and not let them have any representation? There was a ton of work going on to cultivate native cadres, this is all part of the Sovietization. It’s actually a pretty scary socio-political experiment.

    Also, at that time, if you were of non-proletarian Velikoross background you couldn’t attend University, all other nationalities could, but not Russians.

    Well, non-proletarians (or non-Communists) in general, of any ethnicity, had it harder as they were discriminated against – same thing happened in the Baltic states after the occupation and annexation into the SU. It was probably worse in the E.Slavic lands. People were discriminated based on the “wrong” class background. Are you saying that this discrimination was worse for ethnic Russians than for the Ukrainians? Of course, some Sovok s*thead of whatever ethnic background could lord it over a former Russian White, no doubt. But a Velikoros Sovok could also do it to other nationalities.

    A Velikoross with the “right” kind of background would have had no problems.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    As to korenizatsia, I’d have to read up on it fully, but my hunch is that this was done in the early SU to appease nationalities when the Soviet power structure and the policing mechanism and the Soviet state in general was not yet strong enough to dominate fully – they had to do this, otherwise there would be unrest and they could fail to control their newly created state after all the trials of revolution and Civil and world wars.
     
    It was done mainly to counter the Great Russian Chauvinism. You went directly to a GULAG camp for that, you were shot for antisemitism.

    But a Velikoros Sovok could also do it to other nationalities.
     
    He would have been accused of Great Russian Chauvinism if he did that on ethnic grounds. But he might have done it on political grounds as a Soviet citizen guiding other Soviet citizens to a more ideologically pure approach. To do that he would have had to renounce his Russian ethnic identity. The Russian fraction (Русская партия) inside the PCSU was trampled into the dust during the Leningrad affair by Gvishiani the elder (he was an NKVD General), at a time when in western Ukraine, some former Banderists were judged with an unusual leniency to avoid fuelling residual resistance. Same in the DDR, where many of the lower NSDAP cadres were let go without prosecution. But Russians of the "wrong background" were persecuted relentlessly well until the death of Stalin.

    USSR was the first multicultural and internationalist state, it was not the state of the Russian people, it was not ethnically Russian, and it was certainly not Russia if we imagine Russia as a country with a dominant Velikoross cultural code.

    In any multicultural society, the ethnic majority would have to be weakened and prevented from dominating and erasing the minorities. The Soviets did it first and it ended up badly. The West is walking into their footsteps.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @LatW

  883. @Another Polish Perspective
    @AP

    It seems Scandinavians ruled much of Europe. I have recently talked with some Scots, who made me aware that even Scottish independence movement wasn't always fully Scottish since people like Robert the Bruce were actually Norman. Thus the Norman conquest of the British Isles is the defining factor for UK history, even if often forgotten.

    Perhaps due to this reason, these guys were strongly anti-British, to the point of quoting some "Lizzy in the box" memes from the funeral of Elisabeth II (memes which the British TV certainly did not relay to us, continentals).

    Replies: @songbird

    Perhaps, somewhat amusingly, when Robert the Bruce sent his brother to invade Ireland, he made an appeal to common blood:

    Robert had smoothed his brother’s way by writing a remarkable letter to: ‘all the kings of Ireland, the prelates and clergy and to the inhabitants of all Ireland, our friends’.

    The Scots would come, he said, not as invaders but as liberators, for: ‘our people and your people, free in times past, share the same national ancestry and are urged to come together more eagerly and joyfully in friendship by a common language and common custom’.

    What he was proposing was a Gaelic alliance, across the Irish Sea, ‘so that God willing, nostra natio – our nation – may be restored to her former liberty’.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/middle_ages/ireland_invasion_01.shtml

    Though he was supposedly descended from MacMurrough.

    Part of my family had a farm on top of the remains of some town that Edward completely razed to the ground. IIRC, lots of skeletons.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @songbird

    Well, he comes from de Brus family which sounds rather Norman, and married Normans too (de Clare, de Dreux).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Brus,_5th_Lord_of_Annandale

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Sean
    @songbird

    You can see Northern Ireland from Ayr. Ayrshire is where Robert the Bruce and William Wallace started their rebellions against the English. The majority of those from Britain who were planted in Ireland were from Ayrshire and the neoghbouring county of Galloway (not the Borders as is commonly said). The religious fanatics known as the Covenanters who established a theocracy in Scotland (that the Rev, Ian Paisley idolised) were straight outa Ayrshire.

    Replies: @Matra

  884. http://www.martin-van-creveld.com/when-you-go-to-the-woman-dont-forget-to-turn-on-your-tape/

    his week something extraordinary happened in Israel. A thirty-something old man was acquitted of having committed rape—would you believe it? As if to make the story more unbelievable still, the alleged victim was 1. Eighty-two years old; and 2. A Holocaust survivor. Which, in this country and many others, automatically gets her a halloo and turns each word she says into gospel truth.

    To make things still worse for the accused, he was an Arab—and thus supposedly more likely than others to suffer from sexual deprivation and commit rape. So how did he and his lawyer get him off the hook? Very simple. It turns out that the couple had been in touch for some time, using the telephone to arrange trysts—more than one—and have sex. She even promised to pay him for visiting her. The tapes were produced in court, and that was that.

    As a famous seventeenth-century English lawyer, Matthew Hale, once said, of all crimes rape is the easiest to accuse a man of and the hardest to refute. With this in mind, I decided to repeat my warning by reproducing the list of idiots I first put on this website on 6 July 2018. Who knows: by so doing, I might even be saving a man’s life or two.

    Who is in danger?

    Any man who Approaches women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Assists women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Associates with women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    .Any man who Befriends women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Believes in women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Buys women a drink, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Coaches women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Dances with women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Directs women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Employs women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Flirts with women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Gives women a lift, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Greets women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Instructs women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Is alone with women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Jokes with women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.
    Any man who Looks at women, for whatever reason, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Offends women, in whatever way, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Plays with women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Praises women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Shakes hands with women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Shows affection for women, for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.

    Any man who Sleeps with women (apart from prostitutes, the only honest ones around), for he will be accused of “sexual harassment” and worse; it is only a question of time.
    {ECT ECT}
    *
    Finally: When you visit the woman—das Weib is what the original German says—don’t forget to turn on your tape!

  885. @songbird
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Perhaps, somewhat amusingly, when Robert the Bruce sent his brother to invade Ireland, he made an appeal to common blood:


    Robert had smoothed his brother's way by writing a remarkable letter to: 'all the kings of Ireland, the prelates and clergy and to the inhabitants of all Ireland, our friends'.

    The Scots would come, he said, not as invaders but as liberators, for: 'our people and your people, free in times past, share the same national ancestry and are urged to come together more eagerly and joyfully in friendship by a common language and common custom'.

    What he was proposing was a Gaelic alliance, across the Irish Sea, 'so that God willing, nostra natio - our nation - may be restored to her former liberty'.
     
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/middle_ages/ireland_invasion_01.shtml

    Though he was supposedly descended from MacMurrough.

    Part of my family had a farm on top of the remains of some town that Edward completely razed to the ground. IIRC, lots of skeletons.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Sean

    Well, he comes from de Brus family which sounds rather Norman, and married Normans too (de Clare, de Dreux).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Brus,_5th_Lord_of_Annandale

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Oh, I would definitely identify Bruce as a Norman, just not as a Scandi. Maybe, a hapa or something.

    If you trace these things on a map, you'd see a lot of movements between France and the British Isles in both directions. It is a small geographic circle.
    ____
    Watched part of that German movie. Did not have the tolerance for the whole thing. Seemed like they were making fun of East Germans, for not being progressive enough. The scene where he shot the dog was just too dumb and cartoonish. That's when I checked out.

  886. @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    Also, not hard to imagine Ukrainian war vets fifty years from now lamenting as David Irving says of British WWII vets that if they could’ve time-travelled to the end of the century to see what had become of their country
     
    My English grandfather was in the British army 1940-1946. He died in the early 1990s, so before the post-1997 deluge, but he absolutely hated the Pakis who were spreading even back then in his hometown. So yes, it's not just something David Irving or similar people are making up.
    More generally, while I don't think "Hitler was right" is a position one should adopt, it's becoming harder and harder to see how Nazi Europe could have been worse in the long run for Western Europeans at least than what this liberal system we're living in is leading to. By the end of this century Britain and France won't exist in any recognizable way anymore, which goes well beyond what the Nazis were likely to do regarding them. Could there be a more damning indictment of "liberal democracy" than this?
    Of course the perspective of Poles, Russians etc. is bound to be different, for very legitimate reasons. But on the other hand, we're now being treated to the spectacle of militant Westerners (all good liberals, presumably all pro-faggotry and good "antiracists") calling Russians collectively "orcs" and salivating at fantasies of breaking up Russia into dozens of statelets. So maybe even in that regard "liberal democracy" and its defenders aren't quite what they're made out to be.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sean, @Coconuts, @Another Polish Perspective

    More generally, while I don’t think “Hitler was right” is a position one should adopt

    I have recently seen on the German ICE train infotainment system (!) the new Hitler movie – Er ist wieder da. Interestingly, it was available only in German language version. But I was surprised by the pretty positive picture of Hitler the movie presented (actually adopting the position “Hitler was right” between the lines from time to time) as well as by the tidbits of the real Hitler lore (like that he sometimes made pretty long pauses in his speeches). Only the JQ was more or less omitted, as it was said that “JQ is not funny at all” (the movie was a comedy).

    For such a movie, I would expect to have more echo in Germany… On the other hand, it was among 10 hits of ICE infotainment system, and one of two available only in German…

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4176826/

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective

    I suspect the message of the movie was rather that someone like Hitler could still come across as likeable and charismatic and have success even today. In other words the usual antifascist "We have to be eternally vigilant" message.
    But I admit I haven't seen the movie (nor do I intend to).

    Replies: @silviosilver

  887. @LatW
    @QCIC


    I assume this language shift would have happened naturally from 1950-1990 because the industrial base of Ukraine grew enormously as part of the Soviet Union. Technical, scientific and industrial ventures are more efficient with a shared language.
     
    You miss my point - I'm looking for details, not the general description. Everyone knows there was industrial growth during that period with everything that comes with it.



    I'm someone who was Russified at a very early age (attempted to be Russified, didn't work, possibly even before the age of 5 because I do not have a conscious memory of when I first spoke Russian, it was that early, I know that I spoke it well before I went to first grade and I remember learning to read Cyrillic with my mom before the age of 6, one of my first life memories is playing with a very cute Russian girl with angel blond hair in our neighborhood, possibly at around age 4 - so I'm just trying to figure out how the Eastern Ukrainians who predominantly spoke Ukrainian before the war and most likely in the 1950s still, why they changed / turned their language while I did not, why they didn't have two co-existing separate language environments the way we had it). I'm not talking about the growth and industrialization that intensified after the 1950s, actually later - that was taking place everywhere where there had been an Imperial economic, industrial and cultural center.

    For example, the Caucasian peoples were Russified, too, but they retained their languages - at least the Georgians and the Nohchi. Not to mention the Azeris.

    What is a language shift that "happens naturally", as you write? There is nothing natural about it. My guess is that in Ukraine's case there was something else going on in the dynamic between the Maloros and Velikoros that wasn't fully going on with others. Maybe that the Velikoros were considered some "golden standard".

    In the video above, Arestovych said something like "Every girl in Galicia wanted to date an NKVD'shnik because that meant she could move out of the countryside and into the city", and we can assume that this NKVD'shnik would most likely be a Russian speaking outsider, not even local Ukrainian Sovok collaborator. First of all, I don't believe this is true of W.Ukrainian women (with the exception of probably a certain type, what would I call "easier"), but if it were true to some significant extent, then this is very different from Baltic women - for Baltic women to wish to date an NKVD'shnik would have been unthinkable (although I'm sure all kinds of things may have happened but it's not the norm). The Balts also had their own city culture, that was a mixture of things inherited from before as well as some newly made Sovok stuff. I would imagine the Ukrainians would have something similar as well, even in places like Kharkiv. Why didn't they just stick to that? Maybe because it's a very large population and people do make these choices based on economic or social needs and similar strivings. There must have been a lot of intermarriage as well.

    Sorry for such mundane, primitive details, but it might be important to figure out what really happened there. There's no such thing as giving up one's language naturally. Maybe it could be interesting to see what happened with the languages on the British Isles and how they were eradicated or how people transitioned to English (but I believe the circumstances were harder for the native languages there than in the EE). I had a friend who when he was little, came home one day from school and started talking to his parents (!!) in Russian, because he had been speaking Russian half of the day at school, his dad freaked out and immediately put him in a different school (more Latvian speaking). But this would be a rare occurrance. I wonder why the East Ukrainian parents did not do this if this happened. It might have been because Russian and Ukrainian are somewhat close languages and maybe because the Russian language had higher status?

    Of course, there is no problem using both languages, the problem only starts when decades later the large neighboring country decides that you are in fact "Russian and need to be taken into the fold". It is clear that many E.Ukrainians were totally oblivious to this prospect.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Interesting questions. Hebrew becoming dominant in the area which is now Israel seems to be an example of “unnatural” takeover of a language.

    In the Southwestern USA, I believe Spanish may become the dominant language in roughly 50 years. At that point we may have a few elites speaking English or Spanish with most people speaking a lingua franca which is a creole of roughly 2/3 Spanish and 1/3 English. The “invasion” of Spanish people which leads to this change is unnatural. The evolution of the language will be a simple side-effect of that invasion.

    The turning point in the transition might be visible in mixed American families of native Anglo and invader Hispanic parents when it becomes more acceptable to raise their American kids to speak Spanish instead of English. Modern technologies of instantaneous translation may change the way this process plays out.

    The history of different peoples, cultures and languages in Eastern Europe is much richer than the USA.

  888. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    It seems he has discussed two closely related policies of a strategy used to limit the political influence of ethnic Russians. One policy forced Russians to integrate into the associated non-Russian cultures, the other promoted Russian-speaking non-Russians and enabled them to integrate into and control an ostensibly (or vaguely?) Russian state. These tactics are directly related and I'm sure there are many other elements of the process.

    The promotion of Sharia law may be a vaguely similar process now happening in the USA. I assume this is really a promotion of Noahide law, based on the fact that Muslims have little or no agency in the West, while Jewish people have plenty. If this forced acceptance of a dual or triple law code takes root, Sharia-aware lawyers will be drawn up into the government. On the other hand, it will become impossible for normal English-speaking lawyers to retain power unless they learn Sharia. I think this is a long-shot play by Jewish interests and is unlikely to succeed. Nonetheless, it is an example where the paradigm is changed over several generations by driving the legacy power group down and forcing them to assimilate with outside groups while simultaneously drawing the outsider groups up and actively transferring power to them, all under the guise of some civically-minded process.

    This helps me understand the RusFed issue which Ivanka laments.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    I appreciate your efforts in trying to help Ivashka out, but hopefully he’ll find the time to answer my questions addressed to him, himself…he seems to have disappeared into the cave of limited communications, where AP can often be found luxuriating too:
    Where the New Intermarium comes to life! 🙂

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Ha, ha. I don't think he needs my help. I was trying to clarify my own thinking.

    I will leave it to the Slavs, it is your history, not mine.

    As always my message is something like this:

    Whatever the pro-Ukrainians hope to accomplish in a fight with Russia, the terrors and destruction of World War Three will dwarf any benefits which led them to it.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  889. German_reader says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    More generally, while I don’t think “Hitler was right” is a position one should adopt
     
    I have recently seen on the German ICE train infotainment system (!) the new Hitler movie - Er ist wieder da. Interestingly, it was available only in German language version. But I was surprised by the pretty positive picture of Hitler the movie presented (actually adopting the position "Hitler was right" between the lines from time to time) as well as by the tidbits of the real Hitler lore (like that he sometimes made pretty long pauses in his speeches). Only the JQ was more or less omitted, as it was said that "JQ is not funny at all" (the movie was a comedy).

    For such a movie, I would expect to have more echo in Germany... On the other hand, it was among 10 hits of ICE infotainment system, and one of two available only in German...


    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4176826/

    Replies: @German_reader

    I suspect the message of the movie was rather that someone like Hitler could still come across as likeable and charismatic and have success even today. In other words the usual antifascist “We have to be eternally vigilant” message.
    But I admit I haven’t seen the movie (nor do I intend to).

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    I suspect the message of the movie was rather that someone like Hitler could still come across as likeable and charismatic and have success even today.
     
    It's more like it tries to associate what it portrays as "superficially" legitimate or at least plausible grievances with ideas from the past that we know are wrong (or evil). "Oh you, so you think Salafists in Germany is a bad idea? Well look, Hitler thinks the same thing!' It's incredible how much mileage shitlibs get from people's general assumption that if some idea or practice from the past was abandoned, it must be because we know it was wrong (factually inaccurate or necessarily immoral). It absolves shitlibs from any need to debate the point; just associate it with past "failed thinking" and the job is done.

    The movie itself wasn't too bad, but I wouldn't watch it again. It mimics Hitler's overwrought pontifications quite entertainingly, made me laugh out of loud a few times.

  890. @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    I appreciate your efforts in trying to help Ivashka out, but hopefully he'll find the time to answer my questions addressed to him, himself...he seems to have disappeared into the cave of limited communications, where AP can often be found luxuriating too:

    https://www.biblecartoons.co.uk/images/1206.jpg
    Where the New Intermarium comes to life! :-)

    Replies: @QCIC

    Ha, ha. I don’t think he needs my help. I was trying to clarify my own thinking.

    I will leave it to the Slavs, it is your history, not mine.

    As always my message is something like this:

    Whatever the pro-Ukrainians hope to accomplish in a fight with Russia, the terrors and destruction of World War Three will dwarf any benefits which led them to it.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    I agree that any war is a terrible affair, anyone who thinks otherwise knows nothing of wars. There's nothing noble about wars, killing people is not glorious. But it sometimes cannot be avoided.

    That was the message of one of the most popular Soviet songs of the Perestroika times. I don't know whether you would like it but I post it with this clip:

    https://youtu.be/31HZBhoMRQA

    It was one of the songs of my teenage years, recently an Odessite refugee kid sang it in Lvov playing guitar in the street and a nationalist MP made a fuss that he played Moskal music. The kid told her to f☆ck off and it started a great debate in Ukraine with Russophone Ukrainians defending the kid online, including politicians such as Arestovitch and people fighting on the frontline. The author of the song was Viktor Tsoi a Russian Korean Hapa from Leningrad. He was famous across the Soviet Union and is still respected in the FURSS despite dying in 1990.

    Despite whatever American and Canadian Ukrainian diaspora types believe, we have more in common than what divides us. And in due time all this suffering will be healed and peace will come back to the two brotherly peoples that have been pitched against each other by the sociopathic scum in high places.

    F☆ck the Noviop/Neocon/Globalist. Long live honest hardworking people accross the World. Nationalists of the World unite, you only have your globalized chains to lose.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  891. @songbird
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Perhaps, somewhat amusingly, when Robert the Bruce sent his brother to invade Ireland, he made an appeal to common blood:


    Robert had smoothed his brother's way by writing a remarkable letter to: 'all the kings of Ireland, the prelates and clergy and to the inhabitants of all Ireland, our friends'.

    The Scots would come, he said, not as invaders but as liberators, for: 'our people and your people, free in times past, share the same national ancestry and are urged to come together more eagerly and joyfully in friendship by a common language and common custom'.

    What he was proposing was a Gaelic alliance, across the Irish Sea, 'so that God willing, nostra natio - our nation - may be restored to her former liberty'.
     
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/middle_ages/ireland_invasion_01.shtml

    Though he was supposedly descended from MacMurrough.

    Part of my family had a farm on top of the remains of some town that Edward completely razed to the ground. IIRC, lots of skeletons.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Sean

    You can see Northern Ireland from Ayr. Ayrshire is where Robert the Bruce and William Wallace started their rebellions against the English. The majority of those from Britain who were planted in Ireland were from Ayrshire and the neoghbouring county of Galloway (not the Borders as is commonly said). The religious fanatics known as the Covenanters who established a theocracy in Scotland (that the Rev, Ian Paisley idolised) were straight outa Ayrshire.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Matra
    @Sean

    You can see Northern Ireland from Ayr.

    Yes, but it has to be a pretty clear day, at least that was my experience from Co. Antrim.

    To this day connections between people in eastern Ulster & southwest Scotland are closer, especially on the Protestant side, than they are between Ulster and the rest of Ireland.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  892. @AP
    @Greasy William

    Couldn’t.

    In the Soviet world, engineering was for people too dumb to study physics, chemistry, biology, medicine, etc. There were some elite schools that produces legitimately good engineers but for the most part engineering was a catchment for those smart enough to go past high school but not smart enough to do much. In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack

    In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers.

    I rarely (if ever) find cause to criticize you or your thoughts expressed at this website. In fact, I think that you are one of the better commenters that expresses himself here, and I think that you’d have to admit that nobody who regularly blogs here has lavished greater praise for your comments than I.

    Yet in this one outburst of yours, you’ve managed to give a poor example of humility and have managed to put substance to a characterization of yours as being a haughty individual with an uncontrollable ego expressed by individuals like AaronB and even Dmitry (a commenter that I know that you appreciate). Is it proper for a Christian to write such demeaning nonsense about people, perhaps less fortunate than you, who have managed to raise their place in the world by educating themselves (not at the PhD level perhaps, BTW have you acquired a PhD, and if not, why not?) and working hard to put food on their table. Honest and hard work should never be denigrated.

    I work among these types of people today, that you so callously try and denigrate. I do so now, towards the end of my working career, for it’s not as stressful as full time more responsible work. I worked for many years as a manager with 25 plus retirement plans that I was responsible for. Not everybody can handle the stress nor feels comfortable doing the necessary calculations of this kind of work. Yet I try not to denigrate others that are working honestly within their chosen professions. Where would you be today without some sort of help from the “office plankton” of the world?

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Don't fight among yourselves on the little stuff. Focus on bringing this insane war to an end through negotiation, not combat. Capitulation is better than dying. With AI and full globalism looming around the corner (I mean like next week) the painful family differences between the Slavs should be banished. People who care have bigger battles to fight.

    You are both articulate and persuasive. I recommend you work to persuade your Ukrainian brethren to shake off the Western spell which has made them pawns and settle this sooner rather than later. As you know I am not so optimistic about the details, but who cares? If we can save a few lives it is worth a lifetime of our everyday toil. The fact that you will not know of your impact and will surely get no credit for it has a nice Christian vibe.

    I don't know how you two might influence the outcome, but the idea of the "butterfly effect" has a nice resonance in times like this. The good news is that butterflies are accidental, people are not.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

    , @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    "In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers."

    Is it proper for a Christian to write such demeaning nonsense about people, perhaps less fortunate than you, who have managed to raise their place in the world
     
    I worked as an office plankton once when I was an undergraduate student (knowing Excel was good enough). It was fairly useless work. Something involving spreadsheets. I did a good enough job that they wanted to keep me on and promote me as a "project manager" but I resumed my studies instead. I don't remember what my actual duties were anymore, despite indeed working and spending 8 hours a day there. I remember what I did in other jobs, such as at a restaurant as a teenager, or in a warehouse/factory (not to mention more professionally), but here it's vague. This reflects the relative uselessness of that type of work, I think.

    Honest and hard work should never be denigrated.
     
    Well, it is honest. Not particularly hard. One wakes up early and goes to work and spends 8 hours in an office 5 days a week. Attends meetings occasionally. Chats with coworkers on breaks and at lunch. It's a way to keep people honestly employed.

    There is a place for people who are bright enough to get a degree past high school but not bright (or motivated) enough to do much else such as engineering, finance, medicine, law, hard sciences, etc. I had a friend like that in university, partied a bit much so switched from engineering to business administration which was a lot easier and accommodating to his lifestyle. In America such people end up in cubicles, HR departments, etc. The USSR didn't have businesses to absorb such people so it mass produced pseudo-engineers instead.

    It's good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver

  893. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @The Big Red Scary


    Europe is so fake and gay it deserves to be nuked.
     
    Europe's great failure is her weakness and eager acquiescence in letting others dictate her fate. If this war does go nuclear (and I'm not convinced the risk is actually that high, unless something drastically changes, like Ukraine breaking through towards Crimea, or Russia coming close to occupying all of Ukraine, both of which don't look that likely now), my greatest wish is that it won't be limited to central Europe as the sacrificial lamb dying for the sins of the great powers, but that both Russia and the US will be utterly destroyed.
    One can only hope that at least China and the rest of East Asia would escape such a conflagration and do a better job than the crazy white men.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @A123

    Europe’s great failure is her weakness and eager acquiescence in letting others dictate her fate

    Europe’s great failure seems to be acquiescing to Germany. The German EU is all about replacing Christian European values with SJW German Globalist values.

    Who are these ‘others’ of whom you speak?

    Did some ‘other’ send German Leopard tanks to be destroyed in Ukraine? Hmmm… The German tank seems pretty German to me.

    Before you go into one of your highly predictable “Blame America” propaganda rants, understand what we are dealing with over here.

    The illegitimate U.S. regime is being rolled by 2nd/3rd tier figures like AMLO and MbS. When Scholz commands America to jump — Not-The-President Biden asks, “How High, Sir?”

    PEACE 😇

  894. @German_reader
    @songbird


    But, I’m honestly a little reluctant to try it because I think it would about crush my hopes of ever connecting it, if I was wrong.
     
    If you don't try it, you'll always wonder about the missed opportunity. If it's a dead end, then it can't be helped. At least you'll have certainty, and maybe you'll find something unexpected in that manuscript that leads you somewhere else.
    Have you looked if there's some sort of general survey about Irish sees and their bishops? I just googled, and the only thing I could quickly find is this (from 1717, going to 1665)
    https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/details/bsb10939939
    but there must be more recent reference works.

    Replies: @songbird

    Ware unfortunately died before my confident relation became bishop. But perhaps he might still be an interesting source.

    [MORE]

    By coincidence, the scribe who wrote the source of my greatest interest worked for Ware, at times.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubhaltach_Mac_Fhirbhisigh

    With your prodding, I just discovered a new, easily-accessed source: a prosopographical database.
    https://mural.maynoothuniversity.ie/7686/

    Doesn’t have what I most wanted to know, the original source for the location of an ordination. (Think he probably copied some much later source I have seen) But am pleased to see he makes the same connection to France that I did, and has more info on two of these other figures I was curious about, including that one had a will, though he does not mention several others and says nothing genealogical.

    Don’t get me wrong: my reluctance to pursue the source is more of the nature of procrastination than a refusal. Guess I am having fun poking around and don’t want it to end yet.

    Vaguely recall there was some guy who wrote sketchy pedigrees for bishops. Next, I think I’ll try to see for which ones.

  895. @Greasy William
    @Gerard1234

    in America, engineers literally wear a ring to show off their putative superiority to regular people. But, like I said, if they were really that smart they would have become mathematicians or at least physicists (I hate physicists too).

    Software "engineers" know that they are a joke so they aren't nearly as bad.

    It's possible that engineers in other countries aren't as obnoxious as American engineers.


    One last thing: Hitler was a big fan of engineers. Anyone who supports engineers is basically saying that Hitler was right.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @A123

    I support engineers!

  896. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    have argued that the West should throw Poland, the Baltics, Finland, and Romania under the bus back in 1939
     
    Did Britain and France declare war on the Soviet Union as a result of Soviet encroachments on those countries? Does anybody in his right mind claim they should have (except maybe people who want to sell books, like Sean McMeekin)?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    No, but had the Anglo-French been willing to approve of Soviet expansion in the direction of these countries before the war, an Anglo-Franco-Soviet alliance against the Nazis might have had considerably greater odds of coming into fruition.

  897. @Matra
    @Mr. XYZ


    would have argued that the West should throw Poland, the Baltics, Finland, and Romania under the bus back in 1939 (had these realists actually been alive and already adults back then) so that the West should be able to establish an anti-Nazi alliance together with the Soviet Union?
     
    Most realists would argue that there needed to be an alliance against expansionist Germany as it was upsetting the balance of power. They would say Russia taking the Donbass is irrelevant to the US's world position.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Most realists would argue that there needed to be an alliance against expansionist Germany as it was upsetting the balance of power.

    Yes, but an anti-Nazi alliance with the Soviets made much more sense than one with the Poles due to the Soviets’ much larger population, no?

    They would say Russia taking the Donbass is irrelevant to the US’s world position.

    Donbass, No, but all of Ukraine, Yes. Though even for the Donbass, the West should get some compensation for this, such as Russian consent to Ukrainian NATO membership.

  898. @Another Polish Perspective
    @songbird

    Well, he comes from de Brus family which sounds rather Norman, and married Normans too (de Clare, de Dreux).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Brus,_5th_Lord_of_Annandale

    Replies: @songbird

    Oh, I would definitely identify Bruce as a Norman, just not as a Scandi. Maybe, a hapa or something.

    If you trace these things on a map, you’d see a lot of movements between France and the British Isles in both directions. It is a small geographic circle.
    ____
    Watched part of that German movie. Did not have the tolerance for the whole thing. Seemed like they were making fun of East Germans, for not being progressive enough. The scene where he shot the dog was just too dumb and cartoonish. That’s when I checked out.

  899. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    He was just a lawyer.
     
    I’m not talking about his professional training, but his personal qualities. He was a singularly capable leader, the closest real-life model of a philopsher-king in the 20th centurions. He possesses many of Plato’s essential qualities for rulers: a good memory, quickness at learning, broadness of vision, morality, courage, and self-discipline. And most importantly, he was hard-headed, wise, and rational.

    Lee was not one who believed in the politically correct egalitarianism of his day. He argued that every society had a segment of its population–say, the top 5 to 10 per cent–which was exceptionally able. These people, like the philosopher kings of old, would have to be thrown up through a meritocratic process, or actively sought out, and put into the top positions in government and the private sector. To charges that such an approach was elitist, Lee would counter that doing so would help raise the lot of all in society, more so than a pretence that all men were equally capable or talented.

    These observations led Lee to conclude that nature and nurture had combined to produce distinct “tribes” or ethnic groups which were different in their genetic and cultural makeup. Some of these were more predisposed to success. At one time, he contended that as much as 80 per cent of this was due to nature.

    “You take the American Red Indian. He is genetically a Mongolian or Mongoloid, the same as the Chinese and the Koreans. But they crossed over, according to the anthropologists and the geologists, when the Bering Straits was a bridge between America and Asia. But for a few thousand years, in Asia, they had invading armies to-ing and fro-ing, huge infusions of different kinds of genes into the population from Genghis Khan, from the Mongols, from the Manchus, God knows how many invasions. And in the other, isolation, with only the buffaloes, until the white men came and they were weak and defenceless against white men’s diseases and were eliminated. So whilst they were identical in stock, origin, they ended up different. “I didn’t start off with that knowledge. But by observation, reading, watching, arguing, asking, that is the conclusion I’ve come to. “This is something which I have read and I tested against my observations. We read many things. The fact that it’s in print and repeated by three, four authors does not make it true. They may all be wrong. But through my own experience, meeting people, talking to them, watching them, I concluded: yes, there is this difference. Then it becomes part of the accepted facts of life, for me.”
     

    “In the older generations, economics and culture settled it. The pattern of procreation was settled by economics and culture. The richer you are, the more successful you are, the more wives you have, the more children you have. That’s the way it was settled. I am the son of a successful chap. I myself am successful, so I marry young and I marry more wives and I have more children. You read Hong Lou Meng, A Dream of the Red Chamber, or you read Jin Ping Mei, and you’ll find Chinese society in the 16th, 17th century described. So the successful merchant or the mandarin, he gets the pick of all the rich men’s daughters and the prettiest village girls and has probably five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten different wives and concubines and many children. And the poor labourer who’s dumb and slow, he’s neutered. It’s like the lion or the stag that’s outside the flock. He has no harems, so he does not pass his genes down. So, in that way, a smarter population emerges.
     
    https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Kuan-Yew-Man-Ideas/dp/9814677620

    Although lawyer from England, which is where the usually effective recipe in terms of legal and political system in the last years.
     
    Out of the 57 colonies, dominions and territories of the British Empire, only a handful managed to reach upper income levels 50 years after independence.

    Singapore
    Hong Kong
    Australia
    Canada
    Brunei

    Brunei is rich because of vast fossil fuel reserves. The other 4 countries are predominantly East Asian or Ango-Celtic (or at least, they were). Meanwhile, not a single Latin American, sub-Saharan African, Middle Eastern, or South Asian former colony of Great Britain has reached first world status. Not Nigeria, not Honduras, not Burma, not Egypt, not Sri Lanka.

    Only Singapore and Hong Kong.

    I wonder what the common factor is?

    And if the influence of English “software” was the key ticker, then why did South Korea and Taiwan develop all the same without Anglo influence? And why is China likewise on the path to the First World, while the Anglophilic India remains three steps behind, despite not being hindered by a legacy of communism?


    https://i.ibb.co/Jkw3h5L/AB6-A5-B67-CAF0-4-DC2-8-D27-E8121408-D0-E8.jpg


    Was it something in the soil in East Asia that made them magically adopt all the governmental best practices, while not a single South Asian, Middle Eastern, or sub-Saharan African country did?

    Please Dmitry, explain why it never occurred to the Oxbridge-educated Hindustani elite to adopt British governmental best practices? Did all these lectures in politics, philosophy and economics fly over their heads?

    https://youtu.be/iEtmVYYedbM

    Look at this BBC interview with Pandit Nehru. Watch carefully his diction and demeanor. The man comes across as more English than the Englishmen themselves.

    You think it never occurred to this Cambridge-educated member of the Fabian Society to import British software?

    Please read Gregory Clark’s works on British economic and social history. I’ve already linked to them many times, but you show no signs of engaging with the literature.

    This book adds additional empirically-backed explanations to the question of Western divergence.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RZFCPMD/ref=x_gr_bb_amazon?ie=UTF8&tag=x_gr_bb_amazon-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B07RZFCPMD&SubscriptionId=1MGPYB6YW3HWK55XCGG2

    Please read them with an open mind.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Philip Owen

    East Asia was a leader in civilization before colonialism. It’s cultural capital was strong.

    The Arabs were broken by the Mongols and did not recover. The Turks took over and were certainly a great power even if the peasants were poor and the technology putchased.

    Latin America did, for an Anglophile while, produce Argentina, very much 1st world until the Brits were expelled.. Chile was also part of the informal British Empire and is close to recovering 1st world status.

    Nothing to discuss in SSA that does not apply to India. Egypt made some very serious attempts to break through but failed.

    The only remaining contender is India. Before the British, there were the Moghuls. So India did not have self government for half a millenium. On indpendence India was burdened with Fabian Society Socialism as shown above. Not just Nehru. Ghandi, like many African leaders had his economic opinions formed at the London School of Economics. Indeed that is where he was taught Hinduism or at least a Theosophist version. The LSE was a hotbed of socialism. It supplied the first and second rank of many ex colonial administations. Hence generations of socialism from which the Japanese and Koreans, even the Maoists really, did not suffer. 50 years ago when I was a student, the mainland Chinese did not go to Doxbridge or London. They went to Manchester, Cardiff and other redbricks (newer universities) not so full of elitists with luxury beliefs.

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
    @Philip Owen

    Before the British, there were the Moghuls. So India did not have self government for half a millenium.

    By the time if Battle of Plassey Mughals were glorified kings of Delhi.

    The biggest empire in South Asia at that time by far was the Maratha Empire.Hindus had substantially conquered back the sub continent.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Philip Owen

    , @silviosilver
    @Philip Owen


    On indpendence India was burdened with Fabian Society Socialism as shown above. Not just Nehru. Ghandi, like many African leaders had his economic opinions formed at the London School of Economics.,
     
    Nehru and Ghandi were at loggerheads over economics.

    From Daniel Yergin's "The Commanding Heights":

    Whereas Gandhi and Nehru were united on political objectives, they were divided on economics. For Gandhi, the model was swadeshi, self-reliance—simple home production of basic goods, self-sufficiency in the village, and a spinning wheel in every hut.

    Nehru’s view disagreed fundamentally with Gandhi’s. He sought a different kind of self-sufficiency—industrialization and the steel mill. He believed in technology and progress, in machines and industrialization—“I’m all for tractors and big machinery,” he said—and he intended to use twentieth-century means to achieve his goal.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  900. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Interestingly, Arestovitch seems to have read the book.
     
    I started reading that book, it's good (even if a bit too much "doom and gloom", as many of these nationalist books tend to be which is understandable).

    As to Arestovych, yes, I'm aware of his so called 5th project. There is a lot to dissect there, but let me just say that overall, yes, it is good to have such broader ideas, I like the very fact that an alternative is proposed and there is also a place for a polemic (I'm aware of the backlash he's getting from Ukrainian nationalists and even Euro-friendlies).

    This inclusive model is nothing new - it is essentially at play in many EE countries, who are open to attracting international talent, however most of those states are still nation-states with one dominating ethnicity. In fact, most of the European history has been that way, with constant exchange of ideas and the traversing of "elite" (and not so elite) human capital, as is the catchphrase these days on our site. :)

    In Ukraine, this could be considered for the future if Ukrainian is perceived as the default nationality (and of course Arestovych is talking about a complete reconstruction of the existing national narratives) but I don't think that's what Arestovych wants - he mentions several traditions (Ukrainian, Russian, Turkic, etc) that are present. The problem is that many will not agree with this concept of the multi-cultural state (especially now that the Ukrainian people have been through so much), although there would have been great potential to co-exist (if it wasn't for the war). There is also a big difference between a multi-ethnic state that respects all of its traditional groups (groups that have been present for hundreds of years if not longer) vs a post-national, global, multi-cultural, multi-racial, multi-gendered state ideology (there is a fundamental difference there and a very slippery slope there and a temptation by some to conflate or dilute these two very differing concepts so one must tread very carefully there, especially in EE).

    A lot of what he says seems attractive to me, I'm quite open to these musings at least on a conversational level, but there is a danger with this approach - once you let foreigners in (he goes beyond just Russian speakers, and talks about attracting exotic foreigners who are, funnily enough, not even exotic anymore by Western standards), you may end up not having control over them eventually and ideas and practices will expand at the expense of the native interests.

    He uses the example of Sich and proposes a kind of a neo-Sich for the modern age where anyone who has something valuable to contribute is welcomed on the Sich. However, let's not forget that the original Sich was a strictly all male military entity, essentially a military order of a kind. The rules, the goals and the function served are different there than in a larger society. Especially, with the future in mind, given how demographics are changing globally, this is a great risk, imo. Some select top performing and rare talent could be good to attract (and also regular EU citizens and friendly Russians and Belarusians, ofc), that goes without saying - but to invite anybody from anywhere in the world who has anything to offer, as he proposes? I think that's going a bit too far. Besides Ukrainians are a very talented people, they can cultivate and grow their own talent.

    As to korenizatsia, I'd have to read up on it fully, but my hunch is that this was done in the early SU to appease nationalities when the Soviet power structure and the policing mechanism and the Soviet state in general was not yet strong enough to dominate fully - they had to do this, otherwise there would be unrest and they could fail to control their newly created state after all the trials of revolution and Civil and world wars. Only later, after the 1930s terror and onwards, did the state solidify to have full control over all the nationalities. I mean, how do you expect this to be - incorporate sizable ethnic groups and not let them have any representation? There was a ton of work going on to cultivate native cadres, this is all part of the Sovietization. It's actually a pretty scary socio-political experiment.


    Also, at that time, if you were of non-proletarian Velikoross background you couldn’t attend University, all other nationalities could, but not Russians.
     
    Well, non-proletarians (or non-Communists) in general, of any ethnicity, had it harder as they were discriminated against - same thing happened in the Baltic states after the occupation and annexation into the SU. It was probably worse in the E.Slavic lands. People were discriminated based on the "wrong" class background. Are you saying that this discrimination was worse for ethnic Russians than for the Ukrainians? Of course, some Sovok s*thead of whatever ethnic background could lord it over a former Russian White, no doubt. But a Velikoros Sovok could also do it to other nationalities.

    A Velikoross with the "right" kind of background would have had no problems.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    As to korenizatsia, I’d have to read up on it fully, but my hunch is that this was done in the early SU to appease nationalities when the Soviet power structure and the policing mechanism and the Soviet state in general was not yet strong enough to dominate fully – they had to do this, otherwise there would be unrest and they could fail to control their newly created state after all the trials of revolution and Civil and world wars.

    It was done mainly to counter the Great Russian Chauvinism. You went directly to a GULAG camp for that, you were shot for antisemitism.

    But a Velikoros Sovok could also do it to other nationalities.

    He would have been accused of Great Russian Chauvinism if he did that on ethnic grounds. But he might have done it on political grounds as a Soviet citizen guiding other Soviet citizens to a more ideologically pure approach. To do that he would have had to renounce his Russian ethnic identity. The Russian fraction (Русская партия) inside the PCSU was trampled into the dust during the Leningrad affair by Gvishiani the elder (he was an NKVD General), at a time when in western Ukraine, some former Banderists were judged with an unusual leniency to avoid fuelling residual resistance. Same in the DDR, where many of the lower NSDAP cadres were let go without prosecution. But Russians of the “wrong background” were persecuted relentlessly well until the death of Stalin.

    USSR was the first multicultural and internationalist state, it was not the state of the Russian people, it was not ethnically Russian, and it was certainly not Russia if we imagine Russia as a country with a dominant Velikoross cultural code.

    In any multicultural society, the ethnic majority would have to be weakened and prevented from dominating and erasing the minorities. The Soviets did it first and it ended up badly. The West is walking into their footsteps.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool


    In any multicultural society, the ethnic majority would have to be weakened and prevented from dominating and erasing the minorities. The Soviets did it first and it ended up badly. The West is walking into their footsteps.
     
    I also think this might be the case. I remember comparing family stories with my wife and noticing that hers was like a compressed version of my own, with some more radical content due to the war. The political and moral references points were fairly similar.

    One explanation of this would be that there were several European 'liberal empires', the Soviet Union was just the most radical and uncompromising variant. Current discussions of the Western empires seem to avoid drawing too much attention to some of the Republican and liberal aspects of the French Empire, in the same way as the liberal economic ideas behind the British one are less in the foreground. I don't think I've seen anyone drawing any connection/comparison to the RF recently either.
    , @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    It was done mainly to counter the Great Russian Chauvinism.
     
    Well, having Russian Chauvinism in places that are inhabited by Ukrainians is probably not a great idea. Because if you try to colonize a territory with a population that is not your own or a population that doesn't fully support your ideology (which was definitely the case in Ukraine with regards to the Soviet Communism), how do you expect to have control over that population without some, even minimal compliance from them? Without accommodating them even just a little and without allowing them into some decision making? You will simply alienate that population and will not be able to establish full control or at least agreement. The new Soviet state in 1919 did not have enough strength to crush all these nationalities or impose their will on them (besides they did not want to crush them but to co-opt and exploit them instead, so they had to prove somehow that they were better than the ancien regime).

    There was a vast dislike of the Russification policies that had been started in the late 19th century.

    Even the Teutonic Knights or the Nazis couldn't pull it off, they had to come into all sorts of alliances with the locals. They used local traitors (probably groomed them) even in the early Middle Ages.

    And why wouldn't the Ukrainian children be taught in Ukrainian language schools? On their own ancestral land. Same as the Russian children who lived on исконно русские земли. Or Russian speaking children in places where they were numerous (such as Odessa).

    This is all moot anyway because Russification came back in full speed after the 1950s (plus the minorities had been purged in 1937). The so called national communists were removed.

    These are very large and geographically dispersed territories that are very hard to assimilate, as amply shown in history. An ethny is a natural phenomenon, and to eradicate ethnic differences as Tsar Alexander II had wanted (they simply wanted to turn into Russian nationalities that had never been Russian before in history and some not even Slavic) or to eradicate ethnonationalism as Stalin wanted in his "nationalities policy" is very ambitious (or to take it even further, into religious differences, such as trying to dilute or artificially limit ancient Muslim traditions, for instance, is even crazier).

    And this is just a plain unnatural and overly ambitious idea: "The main danger, Great-Russian chauvinism, should be kept in check by the Russians themselves, for the sake of the larger goal of building socialism." (Stalin) Only a part of the Russian population would do this consciously (even if it was a considerable number). So it worked for a while (because the Russian ethnonationalists and the Russian monarchist imperialists were silenced and because most Russians were content with their position during the later Soviet times).

    Korenizatsia sounds like a sinister endeavor. They tried to re-engineer the deepest structures of society and the ethnicity, and do it after an extremely violent period when society was already traumatized. It is very sinister, trying to rip out the soul of the nation, to stomp out the natural modes of thinking and behavior, encourage children to rat on their parents, for wives to betray their husbands.

    They wanted the locals to work for the Soviet state, for the Soviet ideology, instead of their own national project. The Soviet power killed off the ones who were opposing them physically or politically and the rest of the population was supposed to be brainwashed into their ideology. They had to use the Ukrainian language for this. If they had allowed "Russian chauvinism" to stay there, it would have alienated those masses. And from what the Wiki article says, the ethnic Ukrainians were only allowed in the lower levels of the bureaucracy (oh, how generous!), so essentially to serve as enforcers over their own fellow country men, to watch over the masses in the service of the big Soviet people in Moscow.

    But it looks like for a considerable number of Ukrainians this was good enough. After the ones resisting had been killed.

    And this doesn't negate the fact that on Russia proper they had tried to do the same, to those Velikoros who did not go with the program, and with great cruelty. Possibly with greater cruelty, since it was the biggest ethnos and thus held a lot of weight. Imagine if the Reds had to fight the Whites or various types of neo-Vlasovites or anarchists for a long time. Remember the Novocherkassk tragedy - they had to literally shoot regular, unarmed workers, imagine what kind of trouble an armed resistance would've created for the Soviet state.

    I think beyond just physical and political repressions which were imposed on the Russian people, the acceptance levels of that new Communist ideology is also a factor (many White officers switched to the Red, for example), so it was not black and white, but more nuanced and complex.

    And, of course, the Woke indoctrination in the West is awful as well, being rolled out with a great enthusiasm by a few, but far and wide. Funny how this ideology fits better with the early Soviet ideology vs the later stagnation period.

    Imagine, it is now a "pride" month - a decade or so ago, wasn't it only "friendship days" or just one day for the parade and a hang out for their "community"? Now it's a whole month and everybody must be involved! That's like assuming every 12th person is homosexual (or a transvestite or their "friend"). So they are taking up way more of our headspace than they deserve.

    I guess the one good thing is that in the West there is only economic and thought control (and even that is not full, there is still some freedom), there is thankfully no physical extermination of the "undesirables" or the "enemies of the state". But there could be racial extermination (or gender related). Or, as you seem to believe, the "liberation of one from his humanity or human nature". Indeed, from his mortal coil...

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Ivashka the fool

  901. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @Gerard1234

    in America, engineers literally wear a ring to show off their putative superiority to regular people. But, like I said, if they were really that smart they would have become mathematicians or at least physicists (I hate physicists too).

    Software "engineers" know that they are a joke so they aren't nearly as bad.

    It's possible that engineers in other countries aren't as obnoxious as American engineers.


    One last thing: Hitler was a big fan of engineers. Anyone who supports engineers is basically saying that Hitler was right.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @A123

    in America, engineers literally wear a ring to show off their putative superiority to regular people

    Where did you get this idea?

    In America one can buy a ring. But it is a home display / graduation item.

     

     

    Engineers do not wear them. It is a good way to lose a finger. If you have a strong stomach search on “degloving finger injury”.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @A123

    tl;dr: engineers are scum

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer%27s_Ring

    Replies: @A123, @QCIC

  902. @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Thanks! That was interesting.

    James II was actually appointing (technically nominating) bishops in Ireland after he lost the Williamite War. I was thinking that there must be some connection to the war - some army officer in the family. Details about the war seem pretty fuzzy, but there is at least one candidate with what strikes me as an interesting story. (Sole survivor of a shipwreck) Remains to be seen whether I can ever locate a full list of his sons, or if one survives.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    James II was actually appointing (technically nominating) bishops in Ireland after he lost the Williamite War.

    I think he was still the legitimate king really, especially for the Irish who remained Catholic so I can see why the Irish church and the Vatican would still accept his nominations. I can imagine that the English side would have been less happy about it though. I wonder how it was resolved?

    Details about the war seem pretty fuzzy, but there is at least one candidate with what strikes me as an interesting story. (Sole survivor of a shipwreck) Remains to be seen whether I can ever locate a full list of his sons, or if one survives.

    I know a bit about the English, Scottish and French armies in that era but not much about James’ Irish one, except that iirc it was quite a decent size at the Boyne. I always wondered how it was organised and recruited. I realise I don’t really know anything about the Irish side of my family beyond when they first arrived in England and where from originally (Sligo, Mayo and Cork).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Upon further reading, some of James II's nominations met with resistance, but his son was still making them. I wonder to what extent the Stuarts were indirectly responsible for the continued dispossession of Catholics.
    _____
    Most of my folks came from the Western Coast. Unfortunately, it is probably about an order of magnitude harder to get into deep history. (Which is already quite hard in Ireland). Don't think I have any chance of it there.

    One of the reasons I am so interested in tracing what little I can is that I feel like learning about one traceable line helps you learn about all the untraceable ones.

    Many parishes didn't even have a register until about 1840-1850. But depending on when they left, or which parishes specifically, you might still be able to find a few interesting things. Believe I found some interesting things, even if I cannot trace it very far.

  903. @A123
    @Greasy William


    in America, engineers literally wear a ring to show off their putative superiority to regular people
     
    Where did you get this idea?

    In America one can buy a ring. But it is a home display / graduation item.

     
    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2553/0836/products/G_300x300.gif
     

    Engineers do not wear them. It is a good way to lose a finger. If you have a strong stomach search on "degloving finger injury".

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Greasy William

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William

    Theoretically possible, but real world rare to non-existent in the U.S. From your own citation.

    • Starting in 1970
    • must be a certified Professional Engineer

    Most engineers do not obtain a PE license. So the idea that this is common behaviour is bunk.

    Certain regulatory and insurance purposes require specific drawings to be stamped/signed by a PE. The bulk of the profession doesn't fall under those rules. It primarily Civil or Mechanical that have higher PE rates.

    PEACE 😇

    , @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    Hah. First I've heard of it. What kind of weird trouble are you mixed up in that makes this a problem for you?

    The closest I've seen are MIT grads with their rings. That jewelry incorporates a beaver as a symbol of engineering prowess which is also weird. When the actual beavers moved into our local pond they rapidly knocked down all the trees. Come to think of it, that might be the mantra for all grads from Cambridge.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  904. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    That it was represented in the United Nations [..]

    Молотов внёс опережающее предложение о принятии в ООН отдельно от СССР всего трёх его союзных республик – Украины, Белоруссии и Литвы. Это было мотивировано со стороны СССР, по воспоминаниям Черчилля, тем, что эти республики «понесли большие жертвы в войне, первыми подверглись нападению и сильно пострадали».
     

    Interesting, didn't know that Molotov also proposed to include Lithuania separately. Thanks for that tidbit. That is quite fair and a reasonable argument, as these were the places that the Nazis attacked first, so in that sense he made a good point.

    Afaik, Ukraine also had a non-permanent seat in the UN Security Council, and Podolyak is now saying that Ukraine should remind the UN of that even though Russia alone inherited that seat. If they start fighting over that, it could be a huge diplomatic mess. I've even heard suggestions that they want to challenge that status and use these historical circumstances to rid Russia of this seat and propose that it'd be offered to other global players (such as some Arab states). This is probably too far fetched and things will most likely not get that far. But this is just another indication how these recent events have opened up a lot of revisionism.

    Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.
     

    The problem is that during the Civil War era, and all the following decades, of course, many Ukrainians who opposed the Soviet power were stomped out mercilessly. This happened as early as in 1918 (during events such as the Battle of Kruty, where Ukrainians were in fact attacked in their own capital, by a multi-ethnic Soviet army, led by an ethnic Russian and an ethnic Latvian).

    Putin, Shoigu, Kadyrov and Prigozhin are the public faces of the RusFed

     

    Don't forget the likes of bobroyedka Simonyan. The problem is that when it comes to ethnic Russians, they are actually divided, there are those who go along with this Noviop state or at least accept it passively and those who don't view it as fully theirs and, frankly, whose identity really is different from those mentioned above.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    Ukraine also had a non-permanent seat in the UN Security Council, and Podolyak is now saying that Ukraine

    Ukraine’s economy before war, was the same size as Ethiopia. It’s even more strange than Russia there (economy same size as Brazil).

    likes of bobroyedka Simonyan.

    Simonyan is not a journalist with their own view, it’s a government spokesperson. It’s like the unattractive version of Jen Psaki.

    ethnic Russians, they are actually divided, there are those who go along with this Noviop

    This theory doesn’t not match the reality, but opposite of ordinary situation in the country.

    Minority nationalities in Russia, on average, are more opposed to the war, than majorityu population.

    Most Russians support the war and imperialist ideology, while in places like Tatarstan the population is more sceptical. You see this even just talking to people in the forums.

    Of course, multinational business elite in Russia is most opposed to war and even in 2014, while almost mononational circle of security people with origin in KGB developed the war, with support of the majority of the public.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry

    Oh, those children in the video who are dressed up in Red Army uniforms, are singing a song with lyrics "The order is to march to the West!". Very nice...


    Simonyan is not a journalist with their own view, it’s a government spokesperson.
     
    That makes it even worse and just re-enforces my point that these figures do not represent all of the Russians out there. But unfortunately they represent many. The most eff'd up part is that the decent ones are going to have to pay for what these scum have done. It's going to be injustice upon injustice.

    It’s like the unattractive version of Jen Psaki.
     
    It's worse. Did Jen Psaki ever encourage elimination of a large neighboring population or did she ever propose hunger as an instrument of power (restraining grain exports)? I'm not saying all her talking points are great, but it's not the most correct comparison. Zakharova is Psaki. Simonyan is way more evil.

    This theory doesn’t not match the reality, but opposite of ordinary situation in the country.
     
    Sorry, I must not have expressed myself clearly. What I meant was that within the ethnic Russian population, there are examples of people who would not only oppose the war for various reasons, but to whom an idea of such a war is alien or to whom the whole Z culture is alien. Their very identity is different than these people.

    And, btw, we don't know the real numbers - the support for the "SVO" was / is high, but we don't know the exact percentage of those who oppose (again, for various reasons), it could be up to 30%, as speculated by some experts. Those Russians that I was talking about are among that 30% (many of them probably in the Northern parts).

    I did not mean to imply that the minorities are more pro-war per se. But it is also a fact that some of the most rabid pro-war propagandists have been assimilated minorities. Of course, it doesn't give me the right to blame minorities as such, as most of them had no choice over this and many of them have been needlessly hurt by this war. The whole thing was needless... there should've never been a war between any of us, the differences, while they exist and can be painful, are not deep enough to merit such a savage and large war, the differences can be at least partially reconciled, this recent spill was really so unnecessary... we should've all worked harder for a way to co-exist.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  905. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Ukraine has never been the colony that some (such as Mr Hack) pretend it was, while Russians were not the colonizers that some portray they were.
     
    Could you expand a bit on this? I'd be curious to know how you would characterize the relationship between Russia and Ukraine for most of their historic encounters? If a country's major political, economic, cultural, language and religious policies are all closely monitored and approved or disapproved in a neighboring country's capital city, what would be a more accurate way to describe their relationship than colonizer/colonized?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The relationship of the Velikoross and the Rusyn/Maloross was similar to the relationship of the Northern (langue d’oil) French and the Southern (langue d’oc) French. The only difference is that France managed to unify these distinct regional identities, while the Russian Empire failed. It failed mainly because it didn’t really care about the cultural identification of the exploited masses, just like the British Raj didn’t care whether someone self identified as Gurkha or as Punjabi as long as they remained obedient and useful subjects to the Empire.

    Now, about korenizatsia, it was not done to placate minorities, but to weaken the Velikoross ethnic majority and prevent the emergence (or perhaps the resurgence) of the Great Russian Chauvinism. In Ukraine, by the time of the Revolution, the townsfolk spoke Russian with some regional particularities (for example the Odessite way of speaking Russian was heavily influenced by Yiddish). The countryside spoke Ukrainian. The industrial regions such as Donbass spoke both and had mixes populations and people of mixed backgrounds such as my grandfather who was born somewhere between Debaltsevo and Yenakievo in the family of a middle class artisan and was raised in a bilingual milieu. He had never recognized any sizeable differences between (Southern) Russians and (Eastern) Ukrainian populations. I think he was entirely right, Kursk and Belgorod people are largely of exactly the same stock as the people on the other side of the border. Speaking Russian was a sign of higher education and greater social mobility. Speaking Ukrainian was seen as the manner to demonstrate one’s roots, my grandfather did both, had a great career and achievements in his field and never had to renege on his roots unlike those ethnic Russians who happen to live in Ukraine today.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Now, about korenizatsia, it was not done to placate minorities, but to weaken the Velikoross ethnic majority and prevent the emergence (or perhaps the resurgence) of the Great Russian Chauvinism.
     
    After reading your response, I think that we'll both have to admit that there's truth in both of our positions. Everything that I've read about korinizatsiya points to it being indeed a response to the nascent and powerful evolution of Ukrainian nationalism in Ukraine. I've also read that it was thought of a as way to curb the resurgence of Great Russian chauvinism. In Ukraine's case, both of these currents were really the opposite sides of the same coin.

    https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/3/d/3dd7fbd-2.jpg
    These demonstrations in Kyiv in 1917 in favor of Ukrainian independence, represent the mood and feelings of Ukrainians that the Bolsheviks were to encounter in 1921. As our friend AP has pointed out numerous times, political parties that were popular in Russia, were not so in Ukraine during those turbulent times.

    Yet you were also discussing the supposed coloniser/colonist relationship between Russia and Ukraine (although I don't think that I ever brought this sort of thing up?). You failed to address an important question that I had posed to you:


    If a country’s major political, economic, cultural, language and religious policies are all closely monitored and approved or disapproved in a neighboring country’s capital city, what would be a more accurate way to describe their relationship than colonizer/colonized?

     

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  906. @Philip Owen
    @Yahya

    East Asia was a leader in civilization before colonialism. It's cultural capital was strong.

    The Arabs were broken by the Mongols and did not recover. The Turks took over and were certainly a great power even if the peasants were poor and the technology putchased.

    Latin America did, for an Anglophile while, produce Argentina, very much 1st world until the Brits were expelled.. Chile was also part of the informal British Empire and is close to recovering 1st world status.

    Nothing to discuss in SSA that does not apply to India. Egypt made some very serious attempts to break through but failed.

    The only remaining contender is India. Before the British, there were the Moghuls. So India did not have self government for half a millenium. On indpendence India was burdened with Fabian Society Socialism as shown above. Not just Nehru. Ghandi, like many African leaders had his economic opinions formed at the London School of Economics. Indeed that is where he was taught Hinduism or at least a Theosophist version. The LSE was a hotbed of socialism. It supplied the first and second rank of many ex colonial administations. Hence generations of socialism from which the Japanese and Koreans, even the Maoists really, did not suffer. 50 years ago when I was a student, the mainland Chinese did not go to Doxbridge or London. They went to Manchester, Cardiff and other redbricks (newer universities) not so full of elitists with luxury beliefs.

    Replies: @Vishnugupta, @silviosilver

    Before the British, there were the Moghuls. So India did not have self government for half a millenium.

    By the time if Battle of Plassey Mughals were glorified kings of Delhi.

    The biggest empire in South Asia at that time by far was the Maratha Empire.Hindus had substantially conquered back the sub continent.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Vishnugupta

    Marathas never issued coins in their own name.
    Singhs destroyed Sirhind within a decade.

    Guru Hargobind Sahib (6th) defeated Shah Jahan outnumbered before Shiva Ji was born.

    Vegetarian brahmanism's era of holding bakc Endia is ended.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    , @Philip Owen
    @Vishnugupta

    The Sikhs and Tipu Sultan feature in this too. Mysore even. Tipu Sultan specialized in loot. It was how Indian armies were paid but he did a lot of it. He was then looted himself.

  907. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @A123

    tl;dr: engineers are scum

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer%27s_Ring

    Replies: @A123, @QCIC

    Theoretically possible, but real world rare to non-existent in the U.S. From your own citation.

    • Starting in 1970
    • must be a certified Professional Engineer

    Most engineers do not obtain a PE license. So the idea that this is common behaviour is bunk.

    Certain regulatory and insurance purposes require specific drawings to be stamped/signed by a PE. The bulk of the profession doesn’t fall under those rules. It primarily Civil or Mechanical that have higher PE rates.

    PEACE 😇

  908. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    As to korenizatsia, I’d have to read up on it fully, but my hunch is that this was done in the early SU to appease nationalities when the Soviet power structure and the policing mechanism and the Soviet state in general was not yet strong enough to dominate fully – they had to do this, otherwise there would be unrest and they could fail to control their newly created state after all the trials of revolution and Civil and world wars.
     
    It was done mainly to counter the Great Russian Chauvinism. You went directly to a GULAG camp for that, you were shot for antisemitism.

    But a Velikoros Sovok could also do it to other nationalities.
     
    He would have been accused of Great Russian Chauvinism if he did that on ethnic grounds. But he might have done it on political grounds as a Soviet citizen guiding other Soviet citizens to a more ideologically pure approach. To do that he would have had to renounce his Russian ethnic identity. The Russian fraction (Русская партия) inside the PCSU was trampled into the dust during the Leningrad affair by Gvishiani the elder (he was an NKVD General), at a time when in western Ukraine, some former Banderists were judged with an unusual leniency to avoid fuelling residual resistance. Same in the DDR, where many of the lower NSDAP cadres were let go without prosecution. But Russians of the "wrong background" were persecuted relentlessly well until the death of Stalin.

    USSR was the first multicultural and internationalist state, it was not the state of the Russian people, it was not ethnically Russian, and it was certainly not Russia if we imagine Russia as a country with a dominant Velikoross cultural code.

    In any multicultural society, the ethnic majority would have to be weakened and prevented from dominating and erasing the minorities. The Soviets did it first and it ended up badly. The West is walking into their footsteps.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @LatW

    In any multicultural society, the ethnic majority would have to be weakened and prevented from dominating and erasing the minorities. The Soviets did it first and it ended up badly. The West is walking into their footsteps.

    I also think this might be the case. I remember comparing family stories with my wife and noticing that hers was like a compressed version of my own, with some more radical content due to the war. The political and moral references points were fairly similar.

    One explanation of this would be that there were several European ‘liberal empires’, the Soviet Union was just the most radical and uncompromising variant. Current discussions of the Western empires seem to avoid drawing too much attention to some of the Republican and liberal aspects of the French Empire, in the same way as the liberal economic ideas behind the British one are less in the foreground. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone drawing any connection/comparison to the RF recently either.

  909. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Ha, ha. I don't think he needs my help. I was trying to clarify my own thinking.

    I will leave it to the Slavs, it is your history, not mine.

    As always my message is something like this:

    Whatever the pro-Ukrainians hope to accomplish in a fight with Russia, the terrors and destruction of World War Three will dwarf any benefits which led them to it.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I agree that any war is a terrible affair, anyone who thinks otherwise knows nothing of wars. There’s nothing noble about wars, killing people is not glorious. But it sometimes cannot be avoided.

    That was the message of one of the most popular Soviet songs of the Perestroika times. I don’t know whether you would like it but I post it with this clip:

    It was one of the songs of my teenage years, recently an Odessite refugee kid sang it in Lvov playing guitar in the street and a nationalist MP made a fuss that he played Moskal music. The kid told her to f☆ck off and it started a great debate in Ukraine with Russophone Ukrainians defending the kid online, including politicians such as Arestovitch and people fighting on the frontline. The author of the song was Viktor Tsoi a Russian Korean Hapa from Leningrad. He was famous across the Soviet Union and is still respected in the FURSS despite dying in 1990.

    Despite whatever American and Canadian Ukrainian diaspora types believe, we have more in common than what divides us. And in due time all this suffering will be healed and peace will come back to the two brotherly peoples that have been pitched against each other by the sociopathic scum in high places.

    F☆ck the Noviop/Neocon/Globalist. Long live honest hardworking people accross the World. Nationalists of the World unite, you only have your globalized chains to lose.

    • Thanks: QCIC
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Don't worry, Tsoi became a "patriot".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0A50m_AmBo

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  910. @AP
    @The Big Red Scary

    For Ukraine to have done it would have required a massive barrage of missiles and artillery and there is no evidence of them doing so. If the dam was blown up, it was blown up by mines, but the dam was under Russian control. No way that Ukrainians would have been able to mine it under that circumstance.

    So the only plausible explanations are it collapsed due to mismanagement (the water level was very high, the Russians controlling it failed to open enough sluice gages to relieve the pressure) or explosion at the base, in which case the Russians did it on purpose. Seismic data suggest the latter.

    The fact that the Ukrainians tested to see if they could blow it up (the strike they did caused minimal damage - it would take much more) doesn't change that. It suggests that Ukraine might have tried to blow it up if they got desperate due to a Russian advance across the Dnipro towards Odessa. But that isn't happening now.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @Wokechoke

    I don’t see a clear cut case where either side benefitted from this dam being blown up. Has it help either side at all?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Wokechoke


    Has it helped either side at all?
     
    If so, probably only in the sense that the other side has been even more affected. Found this analysis interesting (unfortunately only in German):
    https://politik.watson.de/international/analyse/883528741-ukraine-nach-kachowka-staudamm-sprengung-experte-wagt-erste-prognose
    Mentions that Russian defenses on the eastern side of the Dnepr were swept away by the floods, there are pictures of Russian soldiers having to leave their positions after water had risen up to their chests. But the Ukrainians also had to deal with negative consequences, they had to hastily evacuate islands in the river which presumably would have been useful for attempting a landing operation on the eastern side. So at the moment it's not clear at all, if any of the two sides can profit from this.
  911. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Original Russia was deadly wounded during the Raskol and the Time of Troubles, due to that wound, the Romanov dynasty the ancestor of which came from Prussia and who rapidly intermarried with German princely houses, could build a Russian Empire in which, the majority of the aristocratic elites were not ethnic Russians, and Jews in their Pale of Settlement had more civic rights than ethnic Russian serfs.

    I deeply love Saint Petersburg, but I don't forget that it was built on bones, blood and sweat of the Russian muzhik. That it was the siege of power of a self-colonizing Empire managed by an European elite to extract the riches from the soil and the populace of natives.

    Russian muszhik serfs were no better treated in their own lands than Indian Shudra were treated in the British Raj India. Actually, the Shudra probably had a better life. Both colonized people were ruthlessly exploited and both were also used as cannon fodder in the colonial wars.

    Ans I am not the only one to say that RusFed is not related to Russia, the former president of RusFed, Dmitry Medvedyev said "we are a very young country" and he was absolutely right. That is the reason that the Noviop had trampled the 1993 patriotic uprising, to build the crap they built from scratch with too much patriotic guidance. They built another colonial extractive regime under the Globalist influence and called it the Russian Federation, just like the Romanovs called theirs Russian Empire. That is hiding the exploitative class behind the large Russian muzhik's back. But the muzhik is getting tired of it all and is stopping breeding. The land is emptying up and is filled with the Central Asian and the Caucasus immigrants instead. Will they still call it Russian when Babazhon is the President, Dzhamshud is the prime minister and Rezvan is the minister of defense?

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry

    Petersburg, but I don’t forget that it was built on bones, blood

    Ten of thousands of serfs are killed to construct Petersburg. Does this mean we cannot enjoy the beautiful city?

    If serfs had smartphones and uploaded videos of their killing to YouTube, we would see the city like a zone of massacre, instead of a “cultural city”.

    It reminds of African Americans situation in relation to parts of American history, possibly including the Washington Monument. (If you learn historical science from Spider Man https://youtu.be/K9Yo_M6sAMs?t=4.)

    In normal society with slave colony history, there should be historical reconciliation and consensus for designing systems or mechanism to prevent repeating the destruction of human rights and slavery, in the future.

    Ukrainians were going like Malcolm X, in Russia nowadays, there has been often identification of slaves to the power of their masters, or alternative, kind of self-pity trying to be a special snowflake because of martyrology about ancestors victims.

    One of the examples is Victory Day. In 1941, millions of soldiers and civilians were killed, partly because of military and diplomatic incompetence of the authorities.

    Responsible attitude would be studying how to avoid this situation in the future, irresponsible attitude we have martyrology and kind of karmic desire to repeat the past in future.

    Parents who dress small children in military uniforms, should not be parents, to say this mildly.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Kids should be left to have an innocent and peaceful childhood. Those who want them to become adults ASAP are imbeciles that are not adults themselves. And yeah, any sane person would want to avoid to his children and grandchildren going through war. All these можем повторить slogans from the "patriotic pensioners" are just a sign of social and psychological ill adapted outlook. Interestingly enough, that is the generation that flatly betrayed USSR and cowardly support the patriotic and nationalist insurgents in 1993 in Moscow even gloating when the protesters got liquidated. So these фраеры today walk around with pics of their long gone parents and grandparents who have gone through hell during WW2 and with their own children and grandchildren dressed as if cosplaying the Red Army. It makes me want to ask these people: а где вы бл☆ в 1991 и 1993 годах были ?

    Уроды бл☆дь...

    Replies: @Dmitry, @silviosilver

  912. @Ivashka the fool
    @AP


    However, if the Russian people weren’t culturally primed to accept non-Russian overlords it would not have been possible.
     
    You really should read about the Time of Troubles, Raskol and Peterine Reforms.

    https://storage.yandexcloud.net/wr4img/421957_15_b00000729.jpg

    It broke the spine of the Velikoross with the notable exception of the Old Believer sects, which in some regions reached high 40% of the population. I am not myself of Old Believer descent, but when I understood how damaging was the rule of early Romanovs, that they were basically impostors and opportunists and how they were replaced with a nearly pure Germanic dynasty after some four generations, that really opened my eyes on a lot of things. Also the role of the Maloross clergy in the Raskol is troubling to say the least.

    Perhaps you like going to the Tretyakov Gallery museum when in Moscow, I just love the place, especially the Vrubel exposition. But another painting that I always stop in front of for a long moment is:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Surikov_streltsi.jpg

    Those were the final days of the Muskovite Rus, the aftershocks of which were felt until the Pugachev uprising, but then anger and hatred mostly went underground until 1905. And finally in 1917 it erupted but was misdirected by the crafty Bolshevik who promised freedom, but only brought slavery and death.

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/maysuryan/46825033/164948/164948_800.jpg

    Replies: @AP, @Wokechoke

    I was more interested in how fantastically modern the Streltsy soldiers looked. Odd too that they wore red coats with yellow flash back as far as the late Renaissance. Very practical looking uniforms that would have looked about right up until the post napoleonic period. The axes were obviously a hold over but the general look was practical. Axes must have made them good engineers.

    https://www.tumblr.com/viktor-sbor/661234410532831232/streltsy-russian-%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%86%D1%8B-were

    Italian troops in ww2 get short changed with the anti-them propaganda but the Folgore parachute units with their pared back helmets, plate armour magazine carriers, and kneepads plus the 9mm Beretta SMG look contemporary.

    50 years ahead in personal gear.

  913. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I studied in a Soviet school, there were no Russian schools when I was a kid, only Soviet ones. The way they taught us history was very well structured, obviously along the Marxist framework lines. In that framework, the humankind evolves from the primitive tribal communism to the future final stateless high technology communism with an outreach to the Solar System if not further into space. Thetefore all states and nations are just impermanent human structures evolving according to socio-economic rules.

    However, the topic is not about the people, but about the state. The state was no longer Russian after the Time of Troubles and more specifically after the Raskol and Peterine Reforms, because most of the elite were no longer ethnic Russians. In the higher elite circles, only around 25 % of the people were of the pure ethnic Russian descent. They spoke French in early nineteenth
    aristocratic salons of St-Petersburg more than they spoke Russian. It is not a coincidence that the first few sentences in the War and Peace are full of French.

    And yes, Ukraine did not exist before 1918, despite whatever Ukrainian commenters here write to the opposite. But the Rusyn / Maloross branch of the Eastern Slav people exists since the middle ages, I would actually rank the Rusyn / Ruthenian people among the purest Slavs, much more so than Northern, Ural and Siberian Russians.

    Replies: @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Did they subject you to Hegel?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Well, we had an introduction to the Western philosophy along well established Marxist Leninist lines. The whole philosophical evolution leading towards the dialectal materialism. That's probably why I ended up becoming a Buddhist (just kidding).

    🙂

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Wielgus
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    A pen caricature by Engels, who seems to have had some artistic talent.

  914. @Greasy William
    @Mikhail

    paranoid nonsense.

    The US military will never directly enter the conflict. The American public would not stand for it. Anyone who says otherwise does not understand US politics.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @QCIC

    Listen to the whole video as the title is mocking.

  915. German_reader says:
    @Wokechoke
    @AP

    I don’t see a clear cut case where either side benefitted from this dam being blown up. Has it help either side at all?

    Replies: @German_reader

    Has it helped either side at all?

    If so, probably only in the sense that the other side has been even more affected. Found this analysis interesting (unfortunately only in German):
    https://politik.watson.de/international/analyse/883528741-ukraine-nach-kachowka-staudamm-sprengung-experte-wagt-erste-prognose
    Mentions that Russian defenses on the eastern side of the Dnepr were swept away by the floods, there are pictures of Russian soldiers having to leave their positions after water had risen up to their chests. But the Ukrainians also had to deal with negative consequences, they had to hastily evacuate islands in the river which presumably would have been useful for attempting a landing operation on the eastern side. So at the moment it’s not clear at all, if any of the two sides can profit from this.

  916. @Vishnugupta
    @Philip Owen

    Before the British, there were the Moghuls. So India did not have self government for half a millenium.

    By the time if Battle of Plassey Mughals were glorified kings of Delhi.

    The biggest empire in South Asia at that time by far was the Maratha Empire.Hindus had substantially conquered back the sub continent.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Philip Owen

    Marathas never issued coins in their own name.
    Singhs destroyed Sirhind within a decade.

    Guru Hargobind Sahib (6th) defeated Shah Jahan outnumbered before Shiva Ji was born.

    Vegetarian brahmanism’s era of holding bakc Endia is ended.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  917. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Sure, I brought up "collateral damage" in relation to the whites that were mauled down by gunfire by a deranged teenager in Norway. You're the one who tries to twist and turn every discussion into how the Ukrainian position is the wrong one and are unable to discuss or see anything else.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    In pure terms of exterminating a political opposition Breivik takes the cake.

  918. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    I agree that any war is a terrible affair, anyone who thinks otherwise knows nothing of wars. There's nothing noble about wars, killing people is not glorious. But it sometimes cannot be avoided.

    That was the message of one of the most popular Soviet songs of the Perestroika times. I don't know whether you would like it but I post it with this clip:

    https://youtu.be/31HZBhoMRQA

    It was one of the songs of my teenage years, recently an Odessite refugee kid sang it in Lvov playing guitar in the street and a nationalist MP made a fuss that he played Moskal music. The kid told her to f☆ck off and it started a great debate in Ukraine with Russophone Ukrainians defending the kid online, including politicians such as Arestovitch and people fighting on the frontline. The author of the song was Viktor Tsoi a Russian Korean Hapa from Leningrad. He was famous across the Soviet Union and is still respected in the FURSS despite dying in 1990.

    Despite whatever American and Canadian Ukrainian diaspora types believe, we have more in common than what divides us. And in due time all this suffering will be healed and peace will come back to the two brotherly peoples that have been pitched against each other by the sociopathic scum in high places.

    F☆ck the Noviop/Neocon/Globalist. Long live honest hardworking people accross the World. Nationalists of the World unite, you only have your globalized chains to lose.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Don’t worry, Tsoi became a “patriot”.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Чё за кринж ваще...

    I prefer watching Tsoi being played in Piter during the protests:

    https://youtu.be/PsSoAPygB_Y

    Sounds more appropriate.

  919. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool


    Petersburg, but I don’t forget that it was built on bones, blood
     
    Ten of thousands of serfs are killed to construct Petersburg. Does this mean we cannot enjoy the beautiful city?

    If serfs had smartphones and uploaded videos of their killing to YouTube, we would see the city like a zone of massacre, instead of a "cultural city".

    It reminds of African Americans situation in relation to parts of American history, possibly including the Washington Monument. (If you learn historical science from Spider Man https://youtu.be/K9Yo_M6sAMs?t=4.)

    In normal society with slave colony history, there should be historical reconciliation and consensus for designing systems or mechanism to prevent repeating the destruction of human rights and slavery, in the future.

    Ukrainians were going like Malcolm X, in Russia nowadays, there has been often identification of slaves to the power of their masters, or alternative, kind of self-pity trying to be a special snowflake because of martyrology about ancestors victims.

    -

    One of the examples is Victory Day. In 1941, millions of soldiers and civilians were killed, partly because of military and diplomatic incompetence of the authorities.

    Responsible attitude would be studying how to avoid this situation in the future, irresponsible attitude we have martyrology and kind of karmic desire to repeat the past in future.

    Parents who dress small children in military uniforms, should not be parents, to say this mildly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfPJiRVyVV4

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Kids should be left to have an innocent and peaceful childhood. Those who want them to become adults ASAP are imbeciles that are not adults themselves. And yeah, any sane person would want to avoid to his children and grandchildren going through war. All these можем повторить slogans from the “patriotic pensioners” are just a sign of social and psychological ill adapted outlook. Interestingly enough, that is the generation that flatly betrayed USSR and cowardly support the patriotic and nationalist insurgents in 1993 in Moscow even gloating when the protesters got liquidated. So these фраеры today walk around with pics of their long gone parents and grandparents who have gone through hell during WW2 and with their own children and grandchildren dressed as if cosplaying the Red Army. It makes me want to ask these people: а где вы бл☆ в 1991 и 1993 годах были ?

    Уроды бл☆дь

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    By the way, in this world, you usually need water to stop a fire. To catch the hard surface, you need a soft cushion.

    In reconciliation with the Ukrainian mainstream population, it's going to be possible by liberals, hippies. E.g. https://youtu.be/AW9kMVEVn5k?t=286.

    And currently, many Ukrainians also hate Russian liberals.

    Probably the window for reconciliation is not at least until 20-30 years, kind of optimistic and depends how liberal the Ukrainian mainstream population will be in the future. But more likely the mainstream Ukrainian population even in EU, will be not be liberals controlling the government, they will be more like Poland who like to add salt to old wounds.

    Even in Poland today, it's usually only Polish liberals, not Polish conservatives, who hate only Russia and not also racist against Russians.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool


    Kids should be left to have an innocent and peaceful childhood. Those who want them to become adults ASAP are imbeciles that are not adults themselves.
     
    Dressing children in military uniforms is about instilling a sense of patriotism in them. It's part of their education (a proper education, not the shitlib variety) in "who they are" and what life is like - we are a people, and we have enemies who want to hurt us, and we need to be prepared to defend ourselves. Nobody is pretending they're going to be marched off to war ("become adults ASAP") or that frivolity has no place in childhood. And anyway, when has "playing war" ever been a burden to children? The way I remember it, any kid that didn't want to play war struck me as a bit weird.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @Dmitry, @Philip Owen

  920. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Don't worry, Tsoi became a "patriot".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0A50m_AmBo

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Чё за кринж ваще…

    I prefer watching Tsoi being played in Piter during the protests:

    Sounds more appropriate.

  921. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    As to korenizatsia, I’d have to read up on it fully, but my hunch is that this was done in the early SU to appease nationalities when the Soviet power structure and the policing mechanism and the Soviet state in general was not yet strong enough to dominate fully – they had to do this, otherwise there would be unrest and they could fail to control their newly created state after all the trials of revolution and Civil and world wars.
     
    It was done mainly to counter the Great Russian Chauvinism. You went directly to a GULAG camp for that, you were shot for antisemitism.

    But a Velikoros Sovok could also do it to other nationalities.
     
    He would have been accused of Great Russian Chauvinism if he did that on ethnic grounds. But he might have done it on political grounds as a Soviet citizen guiding other Soviet citizens to a more ideologically pure approach. To do that he would have had to renounce his Russian ethnic identity. The Russian fraction (Русская партия) inside the PCSU was trampled into the dust during the Leningrad affair by Gvishiani the elder (he was an NKVD General), at a time when in western Ukraine, some former Banderists were judged with an unusual leniency to avoid fuelling residual resistance. Same in the DDR, where many of the lower NSDAP cadres were let go without prosecution. But Russians of the "wrong background" were persecuted relentlessly well until the death of Stalin.

    USSR was the first multicultural and internationalist state, it was not the state of the Russian people, it was not ethnically Russian, and it was certainly not Russia if we imagine Russia as a country with a dominant Velikoross cultural code.

    In any multicultural society, the ethnic majority would have to be weakened and prevented from dominating and erasing the minorities. The Soviets did it first and it ended up badly. The West is walking into their footsteps.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @LatW

    It was done mainly to counter the Great Russian Chauvinism.

    Well, having Russian Chauvinism in places that are inhabited by Ukrainians is probably not a great idea. Because if you try to colonize a territory with a population that is not your own or a population that doesn’t fully support your ideology (which was definitely the case in Ukraine with regards to the Soviet Communism), how do you expect to have control over that population without some, even minimal compliance from them? Without accommodating them even just a little and without allowing them into some decision making? You will simply alienate that population and will not be able to establish full control or at least agreement. The new Soviet state in 1919 did not have enough strength to crush all these nationalities or impose their will on them (besides they did not want to crush them but to co-opt and exploit them instead, so they had to prove somehow that they were better than the ancien regime).

    There was a vast dislike of the Russification policies that had been started in the late 19th century.

    Even the Teutonic Knights or the Nazis couldn’t pull it off, they had to come into all sorts of alliances with the locals. They used local traitors (probably groomed them) even in the early Middle Ages.

    And why wouldn’t the Ukrainian children be taught in Ukrainian language schools? On their own ancestral land. Same as the Russian children who lived on исконно русские земли. Or Russian speaking children in places where they were numerous (such as Odessa).

    This is all moot anyway because Russification came back in full speed after the 1950s (plus the minorities had been purged in 1937). The so called national communists were removed.

    [MORE]

    These are very large and geographically dispersed territories that are very hard to assimilate, as amply shown in history. An ethny is a natural phenomenon, and to eradicate ethnic differences as Tsar Alexander II had wanted (they simply wanted to turn into Russian nationalities that had never been Russian before in history and some not even Slavic) or to eradicate ethnonationalism as Stalin wanted in his “nationalities policy” is very ambitious (or to take it even further, into religious differences, such as trying to dilute or artificially limit ancient Muslim traditions, for instance, is even crazier).

    And this is just a plain unnatural and overly ambitious idea: “The main danger, Great-Russian chauvinism, should be kept in check by the Russians themselves, for the sake of the larger goal of building socialism.” (Stalin) Only a part of the Russian population would do this consciously (even if it was a considerable number). So it worked for a while (because the Russian ethnonationalists and the Russian monarchist imperialists were silenced and because most Russians were content with their position during the later Soviet times).

    Korenizatsia sounds like a sinister endeavor. They tried to re-engineer the deepest structures of society and the ethnicity, and do it after an extremely violent period when society was already traumatized. It is very sinister, trying to rip out the soul of the nation, to stomp out the natural modes of thinking and behavior, encourage children to rat on their parents, for wives to betray their husbands.

    They wanted the locals to work for the Soviet state, for the Soviet ideology, instead of their own national project. The Soviet power killed off the ones who were opposing them physically or politically and the rest of the population was supposed to be brainwashed into their ideology. They had to use the Ukrainian language for this. If they had allowed “Russian chauvinism” to stay there, it would have alienated those masses. And from what the Wiki article says, the ethnic Ukrainians were only allowed in the lower levels of the bureaucracy (oh, how generous!), so essentially to serve as enforcers over their own fellow country men, to watch over the masses in the service of the big Soviet people in Moscow.

    But it looks like for a considerable number of Ukrainians this was good enough. After the ones resisting had been killed.

    And this doesn’t negate the fact that on Russia proper they had tried to do the same, to those Velikoros who did not go with the program, and with great cruelty. Possibly with greater cruelty, since it was the biggest ethnos and thus held a lot of weight. Imagine if the Reds had to fight the Whites or various types of neo-Vlasovites or anarchists for a long time. Remember the Novocherkassk tragedy – they had to literally shoot regular, unarmed workers, imagine what kind of trouble an armed resistance would’ve created for the Soviet state.

    I think beyond just physical and political repressions which were imposed on the Russian people, the acceptance levels of that new Communist ideology is also a factor (many White officers switched to the Red, for example), so it was not black and white, but more nuanced and complex.

    And, of course, the Woke indoctrination in the West is awful as well, being rolled out with a great enthusiasm by a few, but far and wide. Funny how this ideology fits better with the early Soviet ideology vs the later stagnation period.

    Imagine, it is now a “pride” month – a decade or so ago, wasn’t it only “friendship days” or just one day for the parade and a hang out for their “community”? Now it’s a whole month and everybody must be involved! That’s like assuming every 12th person is homosexual (or a transvestite or their “friend”). So they are taking up way more of our headspace than they deserve.

    I guess the one good thing is that in the West there is only economic and thought control (and even that is not full, there is still some freedom), there is thankfully no physical extermination of the “undesirables” or the “enemies of the state”. But there could be racial extermination (or gender related). Or, as you seem to believe, the “liberation of one from his humanity or human nature”. Indeed, from his mortal coil…

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    It's Putin's view. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1_%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5_%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B8_%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2

    -

    Reality of the history of unity is irrelevant, because it's history, when we are interested in future. Future is not determined and in terms of principles, people should have freedom and principle of self-determination, so why not groups of people. In normal life, we accept people should be allowed to go separate life, divorce, find a more attractive girlfriend/boyfriend. Groups of people would inherit the same rights, from their individual components.

    Also in practical view, in general, smaller countries are usually happier than larger countries, as the government is often managing better with millions of people, than hundreds of millions of people.

    All top 10 countries in the world happiness report, except Netherlands, have populations 10 million or less.
    https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/world-happiest-countries-2023-wellness/index.html

    Smaller countries are bad for their elite, as there is smaller internal market. So, smaller countries have less powerful elites. They are also bad from point of view of national defense, as they can be more difficult to defend against large countries in terms of military. But for internal life, governments are often more responsive for their populations, when the country is smaller. It's easier to match the interests of population and interests of government.

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Well, having Russian Chauvinism in places that are inhabited by Ukrainians is probably not a great idea.
     
    They couldn't be Russian Chauvinist even in Russia itself, much less so anywhere else.

    population that doesn’t fully support your ideology (which was definitely the case in Ukraine with regards to the Soviet Communism),
     
    Do not project the Baltic situation on the Ukrainian Soviet past. The level of support for communism in Eastern Ukraine was about the same as in the Russian parts of RSFSR. Neither higher, nor lower. Of course it was completely different in western Ukraine, which should have never been annexed to the USSR, that's the case of жадность фраера сгубила, Stalin bit more than he could chew, and then chew more than he could swallow.

    Without accommodating them even just a little and without allowing them into some decision making? You will simply alienate that population and will not be able to establish full control or at least agreement.
     
    Why do you think that they weren't accommodated? They accommodated everyone except the Russians. Russians had to be the good Vanya and accommodate everyone else. It is still the expectation in the FUSSR, although it has started to change for the obvious reasons.

    There was a vast dislike of the Russification policies that had been started in the late 19th century.
     
    Tell me more about the way they attempted to Russify the Ostsea Germans who were the masters of your lands back then and were also the most influential fraction of the Imperial bureaucracy and a substantial portion of the aristocracy overall. There was a reason general Yermolov famously said to the Czar : "Ваше Величество, прикажите произвести меня в Немцы". After all, the Czar himself spoke better German than Russian which he spoke with a typical German accent.

    And why wouldn’t the Ukrainian children be taught in Ukrainian language schools?
     
    Sure, they were thaught in Ukrainian schools, just like in the Baltics you were also thought in local language schools. For example, when I was in Tallinn in 1989 no Estonian went to a Soviet Russian school, they all went to Estonian school, the communities didn't live in the same neighborhoods, the kids from both communities were literally segregated, it was in fact an Apartheid with Estonians in charge of the local communist party and all streets named in Estonian only along the shops and everything else and it was still under Soviet rule (although it was nearing the end). And yeah, the level of comfort and affluence in Estonian parts of the town were higher than in Russophone neighborhoods and actually well higher than in Moscow. That's usually not the way the colonialism is supposed to work.

    Same as the Russian children who lived on исконно русские земли.
     
    Sure, what are these native Russian lands ? The communist were quite creative with the border drawing. For example, the Donbass Republic was initially included into the RSFSR, while Belgorod was part of Ukraine, but then they shaped both sides, or Crimea which was in RSFSR until Khrushev gave it to his beloved Ukraine. Or the entirety of Kazakhstan that has been included into RSFSR, but then made an independent state including ethnic Russian majority territories that the Kazakh never lived in great numbers prior to Russian Cossacks building their forts and villages there. And while these lands, that have been Russian for centuries were given away, Tuva which has never been Russian was included into RSFSR. Go figure what was going on in the Bolshevik megabrains.

    This is all moot anyway because Russification came back in full speed after the 1950s (plus the minorities had been purged in 1937
     
    Which minorities were purged? And do you think that Russians haven't been purged? I don't think there was an ethnic angle at play during the Great Purge.

    Tsar Alexander II had wanted
     
    Holstein-Gottorp Czar Alexander II, right? Germans tend to establish sometimes quite ambitious goals and try unsuccessfully to implement final solutions. To complex problems. Russians OTOH haven't managed to Russify completely the Mordvinians with whom they lived side by side for a thousand years. You really think that a Russian Czar, let's say Ivan the Dreadful, would have said "чухонцев и литвинов поганых в правосдавные русские люди перевести повеляю ?" Don't think so, he didn't even try that with the Tatar or the Cheremiss...

    And, of course, the Woke indoctrination in the West is awful as well, being rolled out with a great enthusiasm by a few, but far and wide. Funny how this ideology fits better with the early Soviet ideology vs the later stagnation period.
     
    Globalism is very similar to early Trotskyite communism on many levels. Probably it's in the blood of those who move the Overton window towards the NWO. They cannot act otherwise, it's instinctive. Same causes leading to same consequences. And they have an interesting sense of humor:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF

    🙂

    Replies: @AP, @LatW, @silviosilver

  922. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Kids should be left to have an innocent and peaceful childhood. Those who want them to become adults ASAP are imbeciles that are not adults themselves. And yeah, any sane person would want to avoid to his children and grandchildren going through war. All these можем повторить slogans from the "patriotic pensioners" are just a sign of social and psychological ill adapted outlook. Interestingly enough, that is the generation that flatly betrayed USSR and cowardly support the patriotic and nationalist insurgents in 1993 in Moscow even gloating when the protesters got liquidated. So these фраеры today walk around with pics of their long gone parents and grandparents who have gone through hell during WW2 and with their own children and grandchildren dressed as if cosplaying the Red Army. It makes me want to ask these people: а где вы бл☆ в 1991 и 1993 годах были ?

    Уроды бл☆дь...

    Replies: @Dmitry, @silviosilver

    By the way, in this world, you usually need water to stop a fire. To catch the hard surface, you need a soft cushion.

    In reconciliation with the Ukrainian mainstream population, it’s going to be possible by liberals, hippies. E.g. https://youtu.be/AW9kMVEVn5k?t=286.

    And currently, many Ukrainians also hate Russian liberals.

    Probably the window for reconciliation is not at least until 20-30 years, kind of optimistic and depends how liberal the Ukrainian mainstream population will be in the future. But more likely the mainstream Ukrainian population even in EU, will be not be liberals controlling the government, they will be more like Poland who like to add salt to old wounds.

    Even in Poland today, it’s usually only Polish liberals, not Polish conservatives, who hate only Russia and not also racist against Russians.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    And currently, many Ukrainians also hate Russian liberals.
     
    The Russian liberals are in a very unenviable situation right now - they were never bound to gain much power to begin with, they have largely limited their activities to all sorts of forums in Europe, and they have not done that much for Ukraine compared to what the rest of Europe have done. Then again, it's not their job. I do sympathize with them (even if I don't fully share their politics). The Russian armed resistance hates them too because of their empty talk and the Ukrainians just straight up believe they are the same Russian imperialists (just in a more "civilized" veneer). There is absolutely nothing they can do short of joining the armed resistance to placate the Ukrainians.

    Btw, speaking of nationalities... besides the Jews, the Russian liberal opposition is actually quite Northern Russian. And all the individuals who are the most compatible with Europe and who have the most peaceful, democratic, egalitarian (in the good sense of the word), humane opinions also happen to be Northern Russian (Gudkov Sr & Jr, Navalny, Nevzorov, Gleb Pyanyh and others). They are just so benign and helpless, and they don't get much support from either side.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

  923. @Sean
    @songbird

    You can see Northern Ireland from Ayr. Ayrshire is where Robert the Bruce and William Wallace started their rebellions against the English. The majority of those from Britain who were planted in Ireland were from Ayrshire and the neoghbouring county of Galloway (not the Borders as is commonly said). The religious fanatics known as the Covenanters who established a theocracy in Scotland (that the Rev, Ian Paisley idolised) were straight outa Ayrshire.

    Replies: @Matra

    You can see Northern Ireland from Ayr.

    Yes, but it has to be a pretty clear day, at least that was my experience from Co. Antrim.

    To this day connections between people in eastern Ulster & southwest Scotland are closer, especially on the Protestant side, than they are between Ulster and the rest of Ireland.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Matra

    Until the invention of rail it was always quicker to travel by sea, there is that academic book, or theory, about the North Sea acting like a highway, connecting the people's of the region.

  924. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    It was done mainly to counter the Great Russian Chauvinism.
     
    Well, having Russian Chauvinism in places that are inhabited by Ukrainians is probably not a great idea. Because if you try to colonize a territory with a population that is not your own or a population that doesn't fully support your ideology (which was definitely the case in Ukraine with regards to the Soviet Communism), how do you expect to have control over that population without some, even minimal compliance from them? Without accommodating them even just a little and without allowing them into some decision making? You will simply alienate that population and will not be able to establish full control or at least agreement. The new Soviet state in 1919 did not have enough strength to crush all these nationalities or impose their will on them (besides they did not want to crush them but to co-opt and exploit them instead, so they had to prove somehow that they were better than the ancien regime).

    There was a vast dislike of the Russification policies that had been started in the late 19th century.

    Even the Teutonic Knights or the Nazis couldn't pull it off, they had to come into all sorts of alliances with the locals. They used local traitors (probably groomed them) even in the early Middle Ages.

    And why wouldn't the Ukrainian children be taught in Ukrainian language schools? On their own ancestral land. Same as the Russian children who lived on исконно русские земли. Or Russian speaking children in places where they were numerous (such as Odessa).

    This is all moot anyway because Russification came back in full speed after the 1950s (plus the minorities had been purged in 1937). The so called national communists were removed.

    These are very large and geographically dispersed territories that are very hard to assimilate, as amply shown in history. An ethny is a natural phenomenon, and to eradicate ethnic differences as Tsar Alexander II had wanted (they simply wanted to turn into Russian nationalities that had never been Russian before in history and some not even Slavic) or to eradicate ethnonationalism as Stalin wanted in his "nationalities policy" is very ambitious (or to take it even further, into religious differences, such as trying to dilute or artificially limit ancient Muslim traditions, for instance, is even crazier).

    And this is just a plain unnatural and overly ambitious idea: "The main danger, Great-Russian chauvinism, should be kept in check by the Russians themselves, for the sake of the larger goal of building socialism." (Stalin) Only a part of the Russian population would do this consciously (even if it was a considerable number). So it worked for a while (because the Russian ethnonationalists and the Russian monarchist imperialists were silenced and because most Russians were content with their position during the later Soviet times).

    Korenizatsia sounds like a sinister endeavor. They tried to re-engineer the deepest structures of society and the ethnicity, and do it after an extremely violent period when society was already traumatized. It is very sinister, trying to rip out the soul of the nation, to stomp out the natural modes of thinking and behavior, encourage children to rat on their parents, for wives to betray their husbands.

    They wanted the locals to work for the Soviet state, for the Soviet ideology, instead of their own national project. The Soviet power killed off the ones who were opposing them physically or politically and the rest of the population was supposed to be brainwashed into their ideology. They had to use the Ukrainian language for this. If they had allowed "Russian chauvinism" to stay there, it would have alienated those masses. And from what the Wiki article says, the ethnic Ukrainians were only allowed in the lower levels of the bureaucracy (oh, how generous!), so essentially to serve as enforcers over their own fellow country men, to watch over the masses in the service of the big Soviet people in Moscow.

    But it looks like for a considerable number of Ukrainians this was good enough. After the ones resisting had been killed.

    And this doesn't negate the fact that on Russia proper they had tried to do the same, to those Velikoros who did not go with the program, and with great cruelty. Possibly with greater cruelty, since it was the biggest ethnos and thus held a lot of weight. Imagine if the Reds had to fight the Whites or various types of neo-Vlasovites or anarchists for a long time. Remember the Novocherkassk tragedy - they had to literally shoot regular, unarmed workers, imagine what kind of trouble an armed resistance would've created for the Soviet state.

    I think beyond just physical and political repressions which were imposed on the Russian people, the acceptance levels of that new Communist ideology is also a factor (many White officers switched to the Red, for example), so it was not black and white, but more nuanced and complex.

    And, of course, the Woke indoctrination in the West is awful as well, being rolled out with a great enthusiasm by a few, but far and wide. Funny how this ideology fits better with the early Soviet ideology vs the later stagnation period.

    Imagine, it is now a "pride" month - a decade or so ago, wasn't it only "friendship days" or just one day for the parade and a hang out for their "community"? Now it's a whole month and everybody must be involved! That's like assuming every 12th person is homosexual (or a transvestite or their "friend"). So they are taking up way more of our headspace than they deserve.

    I guess the one good thing is that in the West there is only economic and thought control (and even that is not full, there is still some freedom), there is thankfully no physical extermination of the "undesirables" or the "enemies of the state". But there could be racial extermination (or gender related). Or, as you seem to believe, the "liberation of one from his humanity or human nature". Indeed, from his mortal coil...

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Ivashka the fool

    It’s Putin’s view. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1_%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5_%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B8_%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2

    Reality of the history of unity is irrelevant, because it’s history, when we are interested in future. Future is not determined and in terms of principles, people should have freedom and principle of self-determination, so why not groups of people. In normal life, we accept people should be allowed to go separate life, divorce, find a more attractive girlfriend/boyfriend. Groups of people would inherit the same rights, from their individual components.

    Also in practical view, in general, smaller countries are usually happier than larger countries, as the government is often managing better with millions of people, than hundreds of millions of people.

    All top 10 countries in the world happiness report, except Netherlands, have populations 10 million or less.
    https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/world-happiest-countries-2023-wellness/index.html

    Smaller countries are bad for their elite, as there is smaller internal market. So, smaller countries have less powerful elites. They are also bad from point of view of national defense, as they can be more difficult to defend against large countries in terms of military. But for internal life, governments are often more responsive for their populations, when the country is smaller. It’s easier to match the interests of population and interests of government.

  925. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Ukraine also had a non-permanent seat in the UN Security Council, and Podolyak is now saying that Ukraine

     

    Ukraine's economy before war, was the same size as Ethiopia. It's even more strange than Russia there (economy same size as Brazil).

    likes of bobroyedka Simonyan.

     

    Simonyan is not a journalist with their own view, it's a government spokesperson. It's like the unattractive version of Jen Psaki.

    ethnic Russians, they are actually divided, there are those who go along with this Noviop
     
    This theory doesn't not match the reality, but opposite of ordinary situation in the country.

    Minority nationalities in Russia, on average, are more opposed to the war, than majorityu population.

    Most Russians support the war and imperialist ideology, while in places like Tatarstan the population is more sceptical. You see this even just talking to people in the forums.

    Of course, multinational business elite in Russia is most opposed to war and even in 2014, while almost mononational circle of security people with origin in KGB developed the war, with support of the majority of the public.

    Replies: @LatW

    Oh, those children in the video who are dressed up in Red Army uniforms, are singing a song with lyrics “The order is to march to the West!”. Very nice…

    Simonyan is not a journalist with their own view, it’s a government spokesperson.

    That makes it even worse and just re-enforces my point that these figures do not represent all of the Russians out there. But unfortunately they represent many. The most eff’d up part is that the decent ones are going to have to pay for what these scum have done. It’s going to be injustice upon injustice.

    It’s like the unattractive version of Jen Psaki.

    It’s worse. Did Jen Psaki ever encourage elimination of a large neighboring population or did she ever propose hunger as an instrument of power (restraining grain exports)? I’m not saying all her talking points are great, but it’s not the most correct comparison. Zakharova is Psaki. Simonyan is way more evil.

    This theory doesn’t not match the reality, but opposite of ordinary situation in the country.

    Sorry, I must not have expressed myself clearly. What I meant was that within the ethnic Russian population, there are examples of people who would not only oppose the war for various reasons, but to whom an idea of such a war is alien or to whom the whole Z culture is alien. Their very identity is different than these people.

    And, btw, we don’t know the real numbers – the support for the “SVO” was / is high, but we don’t know the exact percentage of those who oppose (again, for various reasons), it could be up to 30%, as speculated by some experts. Those Russians that I was talking about are among that 30% (many of them probably in the Northern parts).

    I did not mean to imply that the minorities are more pro-war per se. But it is also a fact that some of the most rabid pro-war propagandists have been assimilated minorities. Of course, it doesn’t give me the right to blame minorities as such, as most of them had no choice over this and many of them have been needlessly hurt by this war. The whole thing was needless… there should’ve never been a war between any of us, the differences, while they exist and can be painful, are not deep enough to merit such a savage and large war, the differences can be at least partially reconciled, this recent spill was really so unnecessary… we should’ve all worked harder for a way to co-exist.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW


    Did Jen Psaki ever encourage elimination of a large neighboring population or did she ever propose hunger as an instrument of power (restraining grain exports)?
     
    At 9:55 of Carlton Meyer's video on the CIA coup in Ukraine he has a photograph of a meeting in Kiev starring American Secretary of State John Kerry. Sitting on his side of the table: Victoria Newland and Jen Psaki.

    https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=MtbnLuKpjpoab_channel=TalesoftheAmericanEmpire
  926. @LatW
    @Dmitry

    Oh, those children in the video who are dressed up in Red Army uniforms, are singing a song with lyrics "The order is to march to the West!". Very nice...


    Simonyan is not a journalist with their own view, it’s a government spokesperson.
     
    That makes it even worse and just re-enforces my point that these figures do not represent all of the Russians out there. But unfortunately they represent many. The most eff'd up part is that the decent ones are going to have to pay for what these scum have done. It's going to be injustice upon injustice.

    It’s like the unattractive version of Jen Psaki.
     
    It's worse. Did Jen Psaki ever encourage elimination of a large neighboring population or did she ever propose hunger as an instrument of power (restraining grain exports)? I'm not saying all her talking points are great, but it's not the most correct comparison. Zakharova is Psaki. Simonyan is way more evil.

    This theory doesn’t not match the reality, but opposite of ordinary situation in the country.
     
    Sorry, I must not have expressed myself clearly. What I meant was that within the ethnic Russian population, there are examples of people who would not only oppose the war for various reasons, but to whom an idea of such a war is alien or to whom the whole Z culture is alien. Their very identity is different than these people.

    And, btw, we don't know the real numbers - the support for the "SVO" was / is high, but we don't know the exact percentage of those who oppose (again, for various reasons), it could be up to 30%, as speculated by some experts. Those Russians that I was talking about are among that 30% (many of them probably in the Northern parts).

    I did not mean to imply that the minorities are more pro-war per se. But it is also a fact that some of the most rabid pro-war propagandists have been assimilated minorities. Of course, it doesn't give me the right to blame minorities as such, as most of them had no choice over this and many of them have been needlessly hurt by this war. The whole thing was needless... there should've never been a war between any of us, the differences, while they exist and can be painful, are not deep enough to merit such a savage and large war, the differences can be at least partially reconciled, this recent spill was really so unnecessary... we should've all worked harder for a way to co-exist.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Did Jen Psaki ever encourage elimination of a large neighboring population or did she ever propose hunger as an instrument of power (restraining grain exports)?

    At 9:55 of Carlton Meyer’s video on the CIA coup in Ukraine he has a photograph of a meeting in Kiev starring American Secretary of State John Kerry. Sitting on his side of the table: Victoria Newland and Jen Psaki.

    https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=MtbnLuKpjpoab_channel=TalesoftheAmericanEmpire

  927. @Greasy William
    @A123

    tl;dr: engineers are scum

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer%27s_Ring

    Replies: @A123, @QCIC

    Hah. First I’ve heard of it. What kind of weird trouble are you mixed up in that makes this a problem for you?

    The closest I’ve seen are MIT grads with their rings. That jewelry incorporates a beaver as a symbol of engineering prowess which is also weird. When the actual beavers moved into our local pond they rapidly knocked down all the trees. Come to think of it, that might be the mantra for all grads from Cambridge.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @QCIC

    I studied to become an engineer but I didn't make it due to my health problems. I have hated engineers ever since. And they really are subhuman. Nobody respects engineers. They think they are better than everyone else but actually they are inferior to a cashier at Walmart.

    Replies: @A123, @Gerard1234

  928. @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    Hah. First I've heard of it. What kind of weird trouble are you mixed up in that makes this a problem for you?

    The closest I've seen are MIT grads with their rings. That jewelry incorporates a beaver as a symbol of engineering prowess which is also weird. When the actual beavers moved into our local pond they rapidly knocked down all the trees. Come to think of it, that might be the mantra for all grads from Cambridge.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I studied to become an engineer but I didn’t make it due to my health problems. I have hated engineers ever since. And they really are subhuman. Nobody respects engineers. They think they are better than everyone else but actually they are inferior to a cashier at Walmart.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William


    I studied to become an engineer but I didn’t make it due to my health problems
     
    If you do not want to answer due to self doxxing risk, I understand.

    However, health problems do not block the study of engineering mathematics. The best engineer I know has only one arm.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Gerard1234
    @Greasy William

    It would have been better if you had mentioned this at the beginning!! LOL

    I would say the following :

    All the great skyscrapers of America were built in the 1920s/30s and 60s/70s. Many of them too iconic to replace ,so there has not been any thinking of changing or expanding the skyline of most US cities for a few decades. Russia, like most places around the world are expanding their suburbs, but different to US are still building new and rebuilding Soviet high rise buildings for city populations to live in. US is just one-way to the suburbs, no real mass building/rebuilding of cathedrals as in Russia the last 20 years, and no real tension of those wanting to desovietise and those wanting to keep historic soviet or Tsarist buildings dominating cities as of course in Russia.

    Despite America's quite high rate of population expansion, from what I can see, there is no desire to expand the federal road or rail network. Different to Europe /Middle East and Orient Asia - there is zero built and zero intention to build high speed rail in the US.

    All canals needed in US were built over 100 years before, HEPP/Dams already built and still within their design life cycles, same thing for all the longest road /rail bridge or viaduct crossings, core sewage network for cities are much "younger" for US compared to the European countries by 80-150 years - so mass repair/upgrade stage of them not required now.
    Different to all major cities around the world I don't hear much of the US metropolises either expanding their underground metro lines or constructing any for big cities that didn't have them before (particularly for the southern States)

    All these issues above are not to say US with its size and wealth does not have much fcivil engineering projects occurring.......
    just that the mass-scale megaprojects that engage the public are not happening there compared to Europe Asia or the rest of the world

  929. @Another Polish Perspective
    The infamous American Pole, Ted Kaczynski just died.
    Whatever you think of him, he was a man of integrity truly acting on his own, unlike, let's say, Assange. You don't meet like him anymore. And his manifesto wasn't really that bad.

    Moreover, he judged his own family as strong as he judged everyone else, and with a certain sense of humour still:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/10/unabomber-ted-kaczynski-81-dies-in-us-prison-cell

    "David Kaczynski wanted his role kept confidential, but his identity quickly leaked out and Ted Kaczynski vowed never to forgive his younger sibling. He ignored his letters, turned his back on him at court hearings and described David Kaczynski in a 1999 book draft as a “Judas Iscariot [who] ... doesn’t even have enough courage to go hang himself.”

    Ironic how the people with the surname of Kaczynski have been becoming "bad" guys of history, despite them being actually true idealists.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard, @silviosilver

    Ironic how the people with the surname of Kaczynski have been becoming “bad” guys of history, despite them being actually true idealists.

    There is nothing whatsoever “ironic” about that. It is simply correctly identifying him as the piece of shit that he was, not only for the harm he did do, but also for the far greater devastation a widespread adoption of his revolting “ideals” would have caused.

    I piss on his idealism. Humankind’s destiny must be directed toward the stars. There is no turning back from technological advancement. Even if the worst predictions of the enviro-catastrophists are an actual possibility (rather than lurid fantasy), that is one all-or-nothing gamble I am more than willing to take.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @silviosilver

    I'm surprised that Kaczynski seems to be considered a hero even by quite a few right-wingers, apparently they don't aspire to anything higher than living as a hermit in a cabin in the woods. I agree such technophobia is revolting. A collapse of industrial civilization with all its marvels is something to be dreaded, not to be hoped for, and people actively seeking to advance it are sick freaks who should be suppressed.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  930. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    It was done mainly to counter the Great Russian Chauvinism.
     
    Well, having Russian Chauvinism in places that are inhabited by Ukrainians is probably not a great idea. Because if you try to colonize a territory with a population that is not your own or a population that doesn't fully support your ideology (which was definitely the case in Ukraine with regards to the Soviet Communism), how do you expect to have control over that population without some, even minimal compliance from them? Without accommodating them even just a little and without allowing them into some decision making? You will simply alienate that population and will not be able to establish full control or at least agreement. The new Soviet state in 1919 did not have enough strength to crush all these nationalities or impose their will on them (besides they did not want to crush them but to co-opt and exploit them instead, so they had to prove somehow that they were better than the ancien regime).

    There was a vast dislike of the Russification policies that had been started in the late 19th century.

    Even the Teutonic Knights or the Nazis couldn't pull it off, they had to come into all sorts of alliances with the locals. They used local traitors (probably groomed them) even in the early Middle Ages.

    And why wouldn't the Ukrainian children be taught in Ukrainian language schools? On their own ancestral land. Same as the Russian children who lived on исконно русские земли. Or Russian speaking children in places where they were numerous (such as Odessa).

    This is all moot anyway because Russification came back in full speed after the 1950s (plus the minorities had been purged in 1937). The so called national communists were removed.

    These are very large and geographically dispersed territories that are very hard to assimilate, as amply shown in history. An ethny is a natural phenomenon, and to eradicate ethnic differences as Tsar Alexander II had wanted (they simply wanted to turn into Russian nationalities that had never been Russian before in history and some not even Slavic) or to eradicate ethnonationalism as Stalin wanted in his "nationalities policy" is very ambitious (or to take it even further, into religious differences, such as trying to dilute or artificially limit ancient Muslim traditions, for instance, is even crazier).

    And this is just a plain unnatural and overly ambitious idea: "The main danger, Great-Russian chauvinism, should be kept in check by the Russians themselves, for the sake of the larger goal of building socialism." (Stalin) Only a part of the Russian population would do this consciously (even if it was a considerable number). So it worked for a while (because the Russian ethnonationalists and the Russian monarchist imperialists were silenced and because most Russians were content with their position during the later Soviet times).

    Korenizatsia sounds like a sinister endeavor. They tried to re-engineer the deepest structures of society and the ethnicity, and do it after an extremely violent period when society was already traumatized. It is very sinister, trying to rip out the soul of the nation, to stomp out the natural modes of thinking and behavior, encourage children to rat on their parents, for wives to betray their husbands.

    They wanted the locals to work for the Soviet state, for the Soviet ideology, instead of their own national project. The Soviet power killed off the ones who were opposing them physically or politically and the rest of the population was supposed to be brainwashed into their ideology. They had to use the Ukrainian language for this. If they had allowed "Russian chauvinism" to stay there, it would have alienated those masses. And from what the Wiki article says, the ethnic Ukrainians were only allowed in the lower levels of the bureaucracy (oh, how generous!), so essentially to serve as enforcers over their own fellow country men, to watch over the masses in the service of the big Soviet people in Moscow.

    But it looks like for a considerable number of Ukrainians this was good enough. After the ones resisting had been killed.

    And this doesn't negate the fact that on Russia proper they had tried to do the same, to those Velikoros who did not go with the program, and with great cruelty. Possibly with greater cruelty, since it was the biggest ethnos and thus held a lot of weight. Imagine if the Reds had to fight the Whites or various types of neo-Vlasovites or anarchists for a long time. Remember the Novocherkassk tragedy - they had to literally shoot regular, unarmed workers, imagine what kind of trouble an armed resistance would've created for the Soviet state.

    I think beyond just physical and political repressions which were imposed on the Russian people, the acceptance levels of that new Communist ideology is also a factor (many White officers switched to the Red, for example), so it was not black and white, but more nuanced and complex.

    And, of course, the Woke indoctrination in the West is awful as well, being rolled out with a great enthusiasm by a few, but far and wide. Funny how this ideology fits better with the early Soviet ideology vs the later stagnation period.

    Imagine, it is now a "pride" month - a decade or so ago, wasn't it only "friendship days" or just one day for the parade and a hang out for their "community"? Now it's a whole month and everybody must be involved! That's like assuming every 12th person is homosexual (or a transvestite or their "friend"). So they are taking up way more of our headspace than they deserve.

    I guess the one good thing is that in the West there is only economic and thought control (and even that is not full, there is still some freedom), there is thankfully no physical extermination of the "undesirables" or the "enemies of the state". But there could be racial extermination (or gender related). Or, as you seem to believe, the "liberation of one from his humanity or human nature". Indeed, from his mortal coil...

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Ivashka the fool

    Well, having Russian Chauvinism in places that are inhabited by Ukrainians is probably not a great idea.

    They couldn’t be Russian Chauvinist even in Russia itself, much less so anywhere else.

    population that doesn’t fully support your ideology (which was definitely the case in Ukraine with regards to the Soviet Communism),

    Do not project the Baltic situation on the Ukrainian Soviet past. The level of support for communism in Eastern Ukraine was about the same as in the Russian parts of RSFSR. Neither higher, nor lower. Of course it was completely different in western Ukraine, which should have never been annexed to the USSR, that’s the case of жадность фраера сгубила, Stalin bit more than he could chew, and then chew more than he could swallow.

    Without accommodating them even just a little and without allowing them into some decision making? You will simply alienate that population and will not be able to establish full control or at least agreement.

    Why do you think that they weren’t accommodated? They accommodated everyone except the Russians. Russians had to be the good Vanya and accommodate everyone else. It is still the expectation in the FUSSR, although it has started to change for the obvious reasons.

    There was a vast dislike of the Russification policies that had been started in the late 19th century.

    Tell me more about the way they attempted to Russify the Ostsea Germans who were the masters of your lands back then and were also the most influential fraction of the Imperial bureaucracy and a substantial portion of the aristocracy overall. There was a reason general Yermolov famously said to the Czar : “Ваше Величество, прикажите произвести меня в Немцы”. After all, the Czar himself spoke better German than Russian which he spoke with a typical German accent.

    And why wouldn’t the Ukrainian children be taught in Ukrainian language schools?

    Sure, they were thaught in Ukrainian schools, just like in the Baltics you were also thought in local language schools. For example, when I was in Tallinn in 1989 no Estonian went to a Soviet Russian school, they all went to Estonian school, the communities didn’t live in the same neighborhoods, the kids from both communities were literally segregated, it was in fact an Apartheid with Estonians in charge of the local communist party and all streets named in Estonian only along the shops and everything else and it was still under Soviet rule (although it was nearing the end). And yeah, the level of comfort and affluence in Estonian parts of the town were higher than in Russophone neighborhoods and actually well higher than in Moscow. That’s usually not the way the colonialism is supposed to work.

    Same as the Russian children who lived on исконно русские земли.

    Sure, what are these native Russian lands ? The communist were quite creative with the border drawing. For example, the Donbass Republic was initially included into the RSFSR, while Belgorod was part of Ukraine, but then they shaped both sides, or Crimea which was in RSFSR until Khrushev gave it to his beloved Ukraine. Or the entirety of Kazakhstan that has been included into RSFSR, but then made an independent state including ethnic Russian majority territories that the Kazakh never lived in great numbers prior to Russian Cossacks building their forts and villages there. And while these lands, that have been Russian for centuries were given away, Tuva which has never been Russian was included into RSFSR. Go figure what was going on in the Bolshevik megabrains.

    This is all moot anyway because Russification came back in full speed after the 1950s (plus the minorities had been purged in 1937

    Which minorities were purged? And do you think that Russians haven’t been purged? I don’t think there was an ethnic angle at play during the Great Purge.

    Tsar Alexander II had wanted

    Holstein-Gottorp Czar Alexander II, right? Germans tend to establish sometimes quite ambitious goals and try unsuccessfully to implement final solutions. To complex problems. Russians OTOH haven’t managed to Russify completely the Mordvinians with whom they lived side by side for a thousand years. You really think that a Russian Czar, let’s say Ivan the Dreadful, would have said “чухонцев и литвинов поганых в правосдавные русские люди перевести повеляю ?” Don’t think so, he didn’t even try that with the Tatar or the Cheremiss…

    And, of course, the Woke indoctrination in the West is awful as well, being rolled out with a great enthusiasm by a few, but far and wide. Funny how this ideology fits better with the early Soviet ideology vs the later stagnation period.

    Globalism is very similar to early Trotskyite communism on many levels. Probably it’s in the blood of those who move the Overton window towards the NWO. They cannot act otherwise, it’s instinctive. Same causes leading to same consequences. And they have an interesting sense of humor:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF

    🙂

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    The level of support for communism in Eastern Ukraine was about the same as in the Russian parts of RSFSR.
     
    If by Eastern Ukraine you mean everything east of Galicia (that is, former Russian Empire Ukraine) - definitely not. In the 1917 election Bolsheviks got 10% of the vote in Ukraine, compared to around 20% in Russia.

    Here is a map of Bolshevik votes in 1917:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/%D0%92%D1%8B%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%A3%D1%87%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_1917_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4_-_%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%94%D0%A0%D0%9F%28%D0%B1%29_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC.svg/800px-%D0%92%D1%8B%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%A3%D1%87%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_1917_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4_-_%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%94%D0%A0%D0%9F%28%D0%B1%29_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC.svg.png

    Bolsheviks were most popular in Latvia and Belarus (presumably among soldiers?), but after that they were most popular in central Russia (the population heartland, from Moscow and environs to Saint Petersburg) and Rostov on Don regions. No region in Ukraine supported the Bolsheviks as strongly as those Russian regions did.

    "And why wouldn’t the Ukrainian children be taught in Ukrainian language schools?"

    Sure, they were thaught in Ukrainian schools
     
    Some were, but it didn't correspond to the population. In 1991 only 45% of secondary schools in Ukraine used Ukrainian as the primary language of instruction. According to the 1989 census, Ukrainians were 73% of the population. Russification was real.

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    , @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Do not project the Baltic situation on the Ukrainian Soviet past. The level of support for communism in Eastern Ukraine was about the same as in the Russian parts of RSFSR. Neither higher, nor lower.
     
    Right, I should be careful not to speak in their name (although quite a few of them would agree with my outlook). I was also referring to certain events in the Kyiv city rather than in Eastern Ukraine (that maybe shouldn't be extrapolated). My bad, I wasn't careful.

    Why do you think that they weren’t accommodated? They accommodated everyone except the Russians. Russians had to be the good Vanya and accommodate everyone else.
     
    Were Russians not in the highest levels of the Party, of the Red Army and the NKVD? Good positions in science. But I understand what you mean. They probably could not be an openly practicing Orthodox, but they didn't have to give up their nationality to achieve status (like all those Ukrainians did who married Jews to gain status, although to be fair, it was their own choice). This korenizatsia touched everyone, in fact, a more appropriate word would be выкорчёвывание (as in, выкоронить народный дух). Maybe the Eastern Ukrainians gained from it, but if they already spoke Ukrainian, why shouldn't they get those schools and books? Especially if they were such good Soviet citizens. Come on, it's the 20th century.

    Tell me more about the way they attempted to Russify the Ostsea Germans who were the masters of your lands back then and were also the most influential fraction of the Imperial bureaucracy and a substantial portion of the aristocracy overall.
     
    But that's exactly the problem - the Imperial powers ganged up with the Baltic Germans to screw over the native Baltic population. You wouldn't dare touch those Germans because then there would be problems. But you sure as heck did not worry about Russifying innocent Balts who had never been Orthodox and had never spoken Russian in their whole thousands of years of existence. And these policies went very very deep and very far West into the Baltic lands. Why should I be happy about this and that you spared these "Ostsee German" manor holders? How is it the fault of the non-German Baltic people what these people did in Russia proper? (And yes some Baltic Germans were ethnically Baltic but not most, that group was more mixed than is perceived but mostly German ofc).

    Sure, they were thaught in Ukrainian schools, just like in the Baltics you were also thought in local language schools.
     
    Why wouldn't we be taught in our native schools by our own native teachers on our own ancestral lands where we had had all levels of education in our native languages for a long time? The angle from which you approach this argument is a priori faulty - that we had this is a basic non disputable right not some kind of a privilege, the way you make it sound.

    For example, when I was in Tallinn in 1989 no Estonian went to a Soviet Russian school, they all went to Estonian school,
     
    Why would they go to a Russian school? If they wanted to study theater acting or engineering in Moscow, if they were lucky enough to get into one of those prestigious schools at the time, then they would study in Russian there.

    the communities didn’t live in the same neighborhoods, the kids from both communities were literally segregated
     
    It varied depending on the neighborhood or town, but, yes, it was largely separate. Probably more so than now. The Estonians are entitled to living separately in their own country if they so wish, and the Russians were recent arrivals there. Even in the US, there were separate settlements for nationalities (especially for Nordic peoples). However, there was a rather bad housing shortage for a while (due to so many Slavic people arriving and many people moving into the city and due to the baby boom in mid 80s). It was somewhat improving by the late 80s, as they managed to build more housing and improve the living standards (but I admit that this was too slow). My town was majority Russian speaking and it had higher living standards than elsewhere (Kosigyn used to have a summer property there), it was full of Russian speakers and recent arrivals, as well as summer guests. Yes, the Russians tended to live in those high rises (rayonchik) but they did occasionally have different and better types of housing and as I said eventually they built better housing.

    it was in fact an Apartheid with Estonians in charge of the local communist party and all streets named in Estonian only along the shops and everything else and it was still under Soviet rule
     
    Estonians speak a Finnic language and for them Russian was always hard. In LV & LT, everything was bilingual, including a lot of the government documentation (and street names). The problem with the locals being "in charge of the local Communist party" is that there should have not been a Communist party. But even in those circumstances, I doubt they somehow refused to service the needs of the Russian population. I highly doubt Estonians would cooperate that well with some Russian dude in charge. Btw, those local commies were bad enough.

    And yeah, the level of comfort and affluence in Estonian parts of the town were higher than in Russophone neighborhoods and actually well higher than in Moscow. That’s usually not the way the colonialism is supposed to work.
     
    They had slightly higher comfort due to what they had accrued from before the war and also because they prioritize comfort and their whole life revolves around organizing things properly. In Riga, Russians lived pretty well and we mixed with Russians much more than the Estonians did (they are much more reserved). The way that colonialism worked in the Baltic region was more through the military facilities and surveillance towards Sweden. I think that was the main benefit for the Soviets. Maybe also some spying and a few factories.

    Sure, what are these native Russian lands ? The communist were quite creative with the border drawing.
     
    This has been turned into the big question now. Clearly, the doors to some revisionism have been opened wide. With everything that comes with it.

    For example, the Donbass Republic was initially included into the RSFSR, while Belgorod was part of Ukraine
     
    Yea, that's why there is now an attempt to create a Belgorod People's Republic (not funny). BNR & DNR, that's creative as well (not!). As to the original Donbass situation, wasn't there a large Ukrainian population there as well and further into Kuban'? And in Sloboda Ukraine? Either way, the linguistic and cultural situation should've stayed intact there - there was a good equilibrium in that regard with the population speaking mostly Russian but also understanding Ukrainian. That's part of this historic region so the people there should not have been threatened with any drastic changes.

    Go figure what was going on in the Bolshevik megabrains.
     
    I agree. And the Russian side does have legitimate concerns in some ways (this is very complicated). I heard somewhere that Stalin tried to divide up territories in a weird way purposefully to control territories through ethnic strife. Btw, on a happier note, I heard that Stalin wanted to give Kaliningrad to Lithuania back in 1945, but Lithuania refused (I understand why, but still dumb, imo). The problem is that these things, even if they had been dealt with in 1991, would have been difficult to sort out.

    Which minorities were purged?
     
    Poles, Latvians and everyone else, a whole Latvian theater group were shot. Including an actress who had been famous in silent movies at the time (Marija Leiko). There were many refugees who had fled to Russia during WW1 who never made it back home, they deserved to stay and live in Russia instead of being persecuted or killed.

    And do you think that Russians haven’t been purged?
     
    Of course, they were! And very cruelly. I once read about how they shot a young, handicapped Russian priest, it was just so heartbreaking.

    I don’t think there was an ethnic angle at play during the Great Purge.
     
    There was a terror state in action, with an air of paranoia, they tried to find whatever pre-text to purge whoever ("a spy of this or that background"), but the fact that they had things such as the Polish action, does have an ethnic angle. That doesn't mean that what they did to the Russians is in any way less significant. Maybe in some ways more.

    Germans tend to establish sometimes quite ambitious goals and try unsuccessfully to implement final solutions. To complex problems.
     
    Yea, but it sucks to be on the receiving end, completely unfairly. This was done in response to the Polish uprising, btw. Neither Russians, nor Germans should have been on those lands, period!

    Russians OTOH haven’t managed to Russify completely the Mordvinians with whom they lived side by side for a thousand years.
     
    Why should they be Russified? They've lived there longer than the Slavs. They're not doing all that great, btw, in terms of language. Btw, there have been Mordvin guests in the Baltics with an ethnographic program and they are really liked.

    Globalism is very similar to early Trotskyite communism on many levels. Probably it’s in the blood of those who move the Overton window towards the NWO. They cannot act otherwise, it’s instinctive.

     

    Cosmopolitanism & internationalism take on different forms over the ages, but its essence stays the same. It just becomes a question of the technological means which are used to facilitate its spread and eventually control over masses.

    And they have an interesting sense of humor
     
    It is indeed funny how they called Lenin "the epitome of Russianness". You know, we fell for it as kids because the name Volodya just sounds so endearingly Russian...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool


    Which minorities were purged? And do you think that Russians haven’t been purged? I don’t think there was an ethnic angle at play during the Great Purge.
     
    I think she was referring to the deportations (Tatars, Koreans, Poles etc) rather than "purges," although she specified 1937, which probably made you think of the Great Purge.

    Go figure what was going on in the Bolshevik megabrains.
     
    It's not supposed to make conventional sense.

    Stalin, from Walker Connor's "The National Question in Marxist-Leninist Theory and Strategy":


    It may seem strange that we, who are in favor of the fusion of national cultures in the future into one common culture (both in form and content), with a single, common language, are at the same time in favour of the blossoming of national cultures at the present time, in the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat....

    It may be said that, presented in this way, the question is “selfcontradictory.” But is there not the same sort of “self-contradiction” in our treatment of the question of the state? We are in favour of the withering away of the state, yet we are at the same time in favour of strengthening the dictatorship of the proletariat, which represents the most powerful and mighty of all forms of state power that have hitherto existed. The supreme develepment of the power of the state, with the object of preparing the way for the withering away of state power—such is the Marxist formula. Is that “self-contradictory’? Yes, it is “self-contradictory.” But this contradiction is a living thing, and it is a complete reflection of Marxian dialectics.

    The same must be said of the formula of national culture: the blossoming of national cultures (and languages) in the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat in one country, with the object of preparing the way for their dying away and fusion into a single, common, socialist culture (and a single, common language) in the period of victory of socialism all over the world.

    Whoever has failed to understand this peculiarity and this “selfcontradictory” nature of our transitional times, whoever has failed to understand this dialectical character of historical processes, is lost to Marxism.
     

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  931. @Greasy William
    @Mikhail

    paranoid nonsense.

    The US military will never directly enter the conflict. The American public would not stand for it. Anyone who says otherwise does not understand US politics.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @QCIC

    Keep dreaming. The government has made the economy of the USA extremely fragile. This state of affairs can easily be manipulated into creating widespread support for getting involved in a war. The details of the war probably don’t matter too much 🙁

  932. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    Did they subject you to Hegel?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Die_Freien_by_Friedrich_Engels.jpg/961px-Die_Freien_by_Friedrich_Engels.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Wielgus

    Well, we had an introduction to the Western philosophy along well established Marxist Leninist lines. The whole philosophical evolution leading towards the dialectal materialism. That’s probably why I ended up becoming a Buddhist (just kidding).

    🙂

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    Over here in the center of the new world order we were instructed that the apex of Soviet triumphalism was represented by Marx's quip (pooping on his master Hegel) the point is not to explain the world but to change it.

    A couple of years ago I read this which was entirely new to me and fascinating:

    https://www.amazon.com/Hegel-Hermetic-Tradition-Glenn-Alexander/dp/0801474507

    One item which stuck out is that Magee claimed if you scrape the entirety of Hegel's complete works you find twice as many references to Jakob Bohme than to Plato or Kant. I can't imagine what it would do to my more reliable neural paths if I were to read the complete works of Hegel.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  933. German_reader says:
    @silviosilver
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Ironic how the people with the surname of Kaczynski have been becoming “bad” guys of history, despite them being actually true idealists.
     
    There is nothing whatsoever "ironic" about that. It is simply correctly identifying him as the piece of shit that he was, not only for the harm he did do, but also for the far greater devastation a widespread adoption of his revolting "ideals" would have caused.

    I piss on his idealism. Humankind's destiny must be directed toward the stars. There is no turning back from technological advancement. Even if the worst predictions of the enviro-catastrophists are an actual possibility (rather than lurid fantasy), that is one all-or-nothing gamble I am more than willing to take.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I’m surprised that Kaczynski seems to be considered a hero even by quite a few right-wingers, apparently they don’t aspire to anything higher than living as a hermit in a cabin in the woods. I agree such technophobia is revolting. A collapse of industrial civilization with all its marvels is something to be dreaded, not to be hoped for, and people actively seeking to advance it are sick freaks who should be suppressed.

    • Agree: Yahya, Mr. XYZ
    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    The other thing I remember from Chase's book is he quoted one of the guys on Kaczynkski's PhD committee at U. Mich. The guy said his dissertation was the most brilliant he had ever read.

    Ted's story is a tragedy. Some of the characters in it got it worse than Ted. The people who promote him as some sort of ideal are idiots. If you have not read his book you are missing out. It is quite good.

    https://www.amazon.com/Technological-Slavery-Theodore-John-Kaczynski/dp/1944228039

  934. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @QCIC

    I studied to become an engineer but I didn't make it due to my health problems. I have hated engineers ever since. And they really are subhuman. Nobody respects engineers. They think they are better than everyone else but actually they are inferior to a cashier at Walmart.

    Replies: @A123, @Gerard1234

    I studied to become an engineer but I didn’t make it due to my health problems

    If you do not want to answer due to self doxxing risk, I understand.

    However, health problems do not block the study of engineering mathematics. The best engineer I know has only one arm.

    PEACE 😇

  935. @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers.
     
    I rarely (if ever) find cause to criticize you or your thoughts expressed at this website. In fact, I think that you are one of the better commenters that expresses himself here, and I think that you'd have to admit that nobody who regularly blogs here has lavished greater praise for your comments than I.

    Yet in this one outburst of yours, you've managed to give a poor example of humility and have managed to put substance to a characterization of yours as being a haughty individual with an uncontrollable ego expressed by individuals like AaronB and even Dmitry (a commenter that I know that you appreciate). Is it proper for a Christian to write such demeaning nonsense about people, perhaps less fortunate than you, who have managed to raise their place in the world by educating themselves (not at the PhD level perhaps, BTW have you acquired a PhD, and if not, why not?) and working hard to put food on their table. Honest and hard work should never be denigrated.

    I work among these types of people today, that you so callously try and denigrate. I do so now, towards the end of my working career, for it's not as stressful as full time more responsible work. I worked for many years as a manager with 25 plus retirement plans that I was responsible for. Not everybody can handle the stress nor feels comfortable doing the necessary calculations of this kind of work. Yet I try not to denigrate others that are working honestly within their chosen professions. Where would you be today without some sort of help from the "office plankton" of the world?

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    Don’t fight among yourselves on the little stuff. Focus on bringing this insane war to an end through negotiation, not combat. Capitulation is better than dying. With AI and full globalism looming around the corner (I mean like next week) the painful family differences between the Slavs should be banished. People who care have bigger battles to fight.

    You are both articulate and persuasive. I recommend you work to persuade your Ukrainian brethren to shake off the Western spell which has made them pawns and settle this sooner rather than later. As you know I am not so optimistic about the details, but who cares? If we can save a few lives it is worth a lifetime of our everyday toil. The fact that you will not know of your impact and will surely get no credit for it has a nice Christian vibe.

    I don’t know how you two might influence the outcome, but the idea of the “butterfly effect” has a nice resonance in times like this. The good news is that butterflies are accidental, people are not.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @QCIC

    I should have written:

    I implore you to help end this conflict posthaste [not recommend].

    , @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    See the new thread for an answer.

  936. @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective

    I suspect the message of the movie was rather that someone like Hitler could still come across as likeable and charismatic and have success even today. In other words the usual antifascist "We have to be eternally vigilant" message.
    But I admit I haven't seen the movie (nor do I intend to).

    Replies: @silviosilver

    I suspect the message of the movie was rather that someone like Hitler could still come across as likeable and charismatic and have success even today.

    It’s more like it tries to associate what it portrays as “superficially” legitimate or at least plausible grievances with ideas from the past that we know are wrong (or evil). “Oh you, so you think Salafists in Germany is a bad idea? Well look, Hitler thinks the same thing!’ It’s incredible how much mileage shitlibs get from people’s general assumption that if some idea or practice from the past was abandoned, it must be because we know it was wrong (factually inaccurate or necessarily immoral). It absolves shitlibs from any need to debate the point; just associate it with past “failed thinking” and the job is done.

    The movie itself wasn’t too bad, but I wouldn’t watch it again. It mimics Hitler’s overwrought pontifications quite entertainingly, made me laugh out of loud a few times.

  937. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Well, we had an introduction to the Western philosophy along well established Marxist Leninist lines. The whole philosophical evolution leading towards the dialectal materialism. That's probably why I ended up becoming a Buddhist (just kidding).

    🙂

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Over here in the center of the new world order we were instructed that the apex of Soviet triumphalism was represented by Marx’s quip (pooping on his master Hegel) the point is not to explain the world but to change it.

    A couple of years ago I read this which was entirely new to me and fascinating:

    One item which stuck out is that Magee claimed if you scrape the entirety of Hegel’s complete works you find twice as many references to Jakob Bohme than to Plato or Kant. I can’t imagine what it would do to my more reliable neural paths if I were to read the complete works of Hegel.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I read it too. A very interesting book, maybe even TRUE.....
    Which however suggests continuity of traditions (and not creation of truly new things), and more influence of secret societies than we usually think... More like the world from Umberto Eco's 'Foucault's Pendulum"

    Entirely possible that the end point of Hegelian Spirit Unfolding process is Boehme's Time of the Lilly...

  938. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    It seems he has discussed two closely related policies of a strategy used to limit the political influence of ethnic Russians. One policy forced Russians to integrate into the associated non-Russian cultures, the other promoted Russian-speaking non-Russians and enabled them to integrate into and control an ostensibly (or vaguely?) Russian state. These tactics are directly related and I'm sure there are many other elements of the process.

    The promotion of Sharia law may be a vaguely similar process now happening in the USA. I assume this is really a promotion of Noahide law, based on the fact that Muslims have little or no agency in the West, while Jewish people have plenty. If this forced acceptance of a dual or triple law code takes root, Sharia-aware lawyers will be drawn up into the government. On the other hand, it will become impossible for normal English-speaking lawyers to retain power unless they learn Sharia. I think this is a long-shot play by Jewish interests and is unlikely to succeed. Nonetheless, it is an example where the paradigm is changed over several generations by driving the legacy power group down and forcing them to assimilate with outside groups while simultaneously drawing the outsider groups up and actively transferring power to them, all under the guise of some civically-minded process.

    This helps me understand the RusFed issue which Ivanka laments.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    Ivashka not Ivanka! Can I blame autocomplete?

    +++

    Ivanka is probably lamenting that her father staged pictures which straddled (crossed?) the line between Daddy’s girl and horrifying child porn.

  939. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    By the way, in this world, you usually need water to stop a fire. To catch the hard surface, you need a soft cushion.

    In reconciliation with the Ukrainian mainstream population, it's going to be possible by liberals, hippies. E.g. https://youtu.be/AW9kMVEVn5k?t=286.

    And currently, many Ukrainians also hate Russian liberals.

    Probably the window for reconciliation is not at least until 20-30 years, kind of optimistic and depends how liberal the Ukrainian mainstream population will be in the future. But more likely the mainstream Ukrainian population even in EU, will be not be liberals controlling the government, they will be more like Poland who like to add salt to old wounds.

    Even in Poland today, it's usually only Polish liberals, not Polish conservatives, who hate only Russia and not also racist against Russians.

    Replies: @LatW

    And currently, many Ukrainians also hate Russian liberals.

    The Russian liberals are in a very unenviable situation right now – they were never bound to gain much power to begin with, they have largely limited their activities to all sorts of forums in Europe, and they have not done that much for Ukraine compared to what the rest of Europe have done. Then again, it’s not their job. I do sympathize with them (even if I don’t fully share their politics). The Russian armed resistance hates them too because of their empty talk and the Ukrainians just straight up believe they are the same Russian imperialists (just in a more “civilized” veneer). There is absolutely nothing they can do short of joining the armed resistance to placate the Ukrainians.

    Btw, speaking of nationalities… besides the Jews, the Russian liberal opposition is actually quite Northern Russian. And all the individuals who are the most compatible with Europe and who have the most peaceful, democratic, egalitarian (in the good sense of the word), humane opinions also happen to be Northern Russian (Gudkov Sr & Jr, Navalny, Nevzorov, Gleb Pyanyh and others). They are just so benign and helpless, and they don’t get much support from either side.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Btw, speaking of nationalities… besides the Jews, the Russian liberal opposition is actually quite Northern Russian. And all the individuals who are the most compatible with Europe and who have the most peaceful, democratic, egalitarian (in the good sense of the word), humane opinions also happen to be Northern Russian (Gudkov Sr & Jr, Navalny, Nevzorov, Gleb Pyanyh and others). They are just so benign and helpless, and they don’t get much support from either side.
     
    Maybe the Finnic admixture does something positive for them? Finland is remarkably free, democratic, and non-corrupt, and when I think about it, Navalny is one of Russia's few prominent anti-corruption campaigners.

    Maybe Russia's future is to be ruled by humane Judeo-Finnic overlords lol?

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    , @Dmitry
    @LatW


    imply that the minorities are more pro-war per se. But it is also a fact that some of the most rabid pro-war propagandists have been assimilated minorities.

     

    In my experience, of the forums A lot of ordinary people (i.e. not liberals) who oppose the government's decisions of last decade, especially in Ukraine seem to have Tatar names.

    While in Russian mainstream, outside the center of the wealthy cities, it's relatively more "patriotic".

    Caucasian Muslims, if they can have opportunity to say openly, are probably not interested in death in Ukraine. About Tuvans, Buryats, etc, who can say. There isn't much of reception of the views in their regions.

    Jen Psaki ever encourage elimination of a large neighboring population or did she ever propose hunger

     

    I'm not criticizing Psaki. If you remember, in 2014, Psaki was also like an attractive school teacher.

    In 2014, in Russia, people were obsessed with Psaki and believed she was the important person in America, who was deciding to support Ukraine.

    Partly, I guess, because Psaki has red hair and good looking. It generated the clicks in the Russian media. Everyone in Russian media seemed to enjoy the opportunity to post photos of Psaki and increase their traffic.

    But it creates incorrect interpretation. She was just spokesperson. She says, what her employer said. This is the same situation with most of the Russian media today. It's not independent, but every day they are given the list of "themes" to talk about.

    Simonyan seems some baba-yaga from the collective nightmares, but probably she just improvises from the script controlled by the FSB. If the government changed, these workers would reverse opinions the next minute.

    Northern Russian (Gudkov Sr & Jr, Navalny, Nevzorov, Gleb Pyanyh and others). They are just so benign

     

    Well, Nevzorov is from Leningrad, as some of the better liberal media resources. But the most important clique in Russian history since around 1996, are also from Leningrad, often including dwarfs.

    In my opinion, this is the clique which creates the February 2022, against interest of many of the other elite groups in Russia.

    So, Russian politics is opaque for everyone except few powerful people. It's possible there are all kind of conspiracy we don't understand. But with limited evidence I could see, the superficial evidence seem like the Leningrad clique security people decide to invade Ukraine.

    liberal opposition is actually quite Northern
     
    Liberalism in Russia (which is a bit different than the West in the topics like immigration), was a kind of upper class ideology of younger people the last 20 years.

    It's correlating a lot to education and income level. In terms of regionally, I'm not sure. Obviously, the middle class people in the important cities like Moscow and Petersburg.

    Ekaterinburg is famous as the "center of the liberals", but actually a lot of "redneck politics" of the city.

    I guess Ekaterinburg could have more wide distribution of liberalism, to the working class which is unlike some other areas. Roizman was example of kind of "populist liberal", i.e. he was anti-immigration liberal quite popular with the working class people.

    -

    In terms of the nationality of the famous liberals. In the Echo of Moscow, they often liked to promote more minority liberals, although it could be Venediktov strategy to highlight the liberalism as anti-patriotic.

    I was never fan or listening often to Echo of Moscow. But people I remember from there, is kind of women who talk about how they are ethnic minorities. Felgenhauer (German roots), Shevardnadze (Georgian), Albats (Jewish roots), Orlova (Armenian roots), Latynina (Polish roots),

    Oh, those children in the video who are dressed up in Red Army uniforms, are singing a song with lyrics “The order is to march to the West!”. Very nice…

     

    It's a negative situation not just compared to Soviet times, when usually memory of war was processed in more respectful and anti-glamorous way, but also compared to just 15 years ago.

    -
    I feel Yahya has too many war films I recommended to watch, but there was a possible selection of Soviet films
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lnb1bI0VIk.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjIiApN6cfg.

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  940. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Don't fight among yourselves on the little stuff. Focus on bringing this insane war to an end through negotiation, not combat. Capitulation is better than dying. With AI and full globalism looming around the corner (I mean like next week) the painful family differences between the Slavs should be banished. People who care have bigger battles to fight.

    You are both articulate and persuasive. I recommend you work to persuade your Ukrainian brethren to shake off the Western spell which has made them pawns and settle this sooner rather than later. As you know I am not so optimistic about the details, but who cares? If we can save a few lives it is worth a lifetime of our everyday toil. The fact that you will not know of your impact and will surely get no credit for it has a nice Christian vibe.

    I don't know how you two might influence the outcome, but the idea of the "butterfly effect" has a nice resonance in times like this. The good news is that butterflies are accidental, people are not.

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    I should have written:

    I implore you to help end this conflict posthaste [not recommend].

  941. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Kids should be left to have an innocent and peaceful childhood. Those who want them to become adults ASAP are imbeciles that are not adults themselves. And yeah, any sane person would want to avoid to his children and grandchildren going through war. All these можем повторить slogans from the "patriotic pensioners" are just a sign of social and psychological ill adapted outlook. Interestingly enough, that is the generation that flatly betrayed USSR and cowardly support the patriotic and nationalist insurgents in 1993 in Moscow even gloating when the protesters got liquidated. So these фраеры today walk around with pics of their long gone parents and grandparents who have gone through hell during WW2 and with their own children and grandchildren dressed as if cosplaying the Red Army. It makes me want to ask these people: а где вы бл☆ в 1991 и 1993 годах были ?

    Уроды бл☆дь...

    Replies: @Dmitry, @silviosilver

    Kids should be left to have an innocent and peaceful childhood. Those who want them to become adults ASAP are imbeciles that are not adults themselves.

    Dressing children in military uniforms is about instilling a sense of patriotism in them. It’s part of their education (a proper education, not the shitlib variety) in “who they are” and what life is like – we are a people, and we have enemies who want to hurt us, and we need to be prepared to defend ourselves. Nobody is pretending they’re going to be marched off to war (“become adults ASAP”) or that frivolity has no place in childhood. And anyway, when has “playing war” ever been a burden to children? The way I remember it, any kid that didn’t want to play war struck me as a bit weird.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @silviosilver

    The normal way to go about that is the Youth Guard which starts at age 10 (earliest), ideally no sooner than age 12. Instilling patriotism is good, but not indoctrinating kids to grow up to want to kill their neighbors by default (as is the case with those kids in the video).

    Replies: @QCIC, @silviosilver

    , @QCIC
    @silviosilver

    They are great kids. What they grow into depends on many things. Should we help them grow into Heroes, Saints or Butchers?

    This looked OK and made me smile. A universal problem is that it may look the same even when it is not OK :(

    , @Dmitry
    @silviosilver

    What's the relevance of your post? You are from Italy or some Western country where the most dangerous event for young men will be meeting their parents in law.

    They started dressing small children in Victory Day like this around 10 years ago. They change the school text books to the "patriotic" model in the last ten years. They started invading Ukraine around 1 year ago. I'm not sure if you want to argue about the healthy culture preparing the young cattle to walk passively to the slaughterhouse their owners have been designing for them last decade.

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    , @Philip Owen
    @silviosilver

    The Scouts and Guides can do much the same job without incitement to murder. They have been explicitly pacifist since 1916 when Baden Powell saw his boys die by the 100,000 at the Somme. The military focus of these organizations is explicitly fascist.

  942. @Philip Owen
    @Yahya

    East Asia was a leader in civilization before colonialism. It's cultural capital was strong.

    The Arabs were broken by the Mongols and did not recover. The Turks took over and were certainly a great power even if the peasants were poor and the technology putchased.

    Latin America did, for an Anglophile while, produce Argentina, very much 1st world until the Brits were expelled.. Chile was also part of the informal British Empire and is close to recovering 1st world status.

    Nothing to discuss in SSA that does not apply to India. Egypt made some very serious attempts to break through but failed.

    The only remaining contender is India. Before the British, there were the Moghuls. So India did not have self government for half a millenium. On indpendence India was burdened with Fabian Society Socialism as shown above. Not just Nehru. Ghandi, like many African leaders had his economic opinions formed at the London School of Economics. Indeed that is where he was taught Hinduism or at least a Theosophist version. The LSE was a hotbed of socialism. It supplied the first and second rank of many ex colonial administations. Hence generations of socialism from which the Japanese and Koreans, even the Maoists really, did not suffer. 50 years ago when I was a student, the mainland Chinese did not go to Doxbridge or London. They went to Manchester, Cardiff and other redbricks (newer universities) not so full of elitists with luxury beliefs.

    Replies: @Vishnugupta, @silviosilver

    On indpendence India was burdened with Fabian Society Socialism as shown above. Not just Nehru. Ghandi, like many African leaders had his economic opinions formed at the London School of Economics.,

    Nehru and Ghandi were at loggerheads over economics.

    From Daniel Yergin’s “The Commanding Heights”:

    Whereas Gandhi and Nehru were united on political objectives, they were divided on economics. For Gandhi, the model was swadeshi, self-reliance—simple home production of basic goods, self-sufficiency in the village, and a spinning wheel in every hut.

    Nehru’s view disagreed fundamentally with Gandhi’s. He sought a different kind of self-sufficiency—industrialization and the steel mill. He believed in technology and progress, in machines and industrialization—“I’m all for tractors and big machinery,” he said—and he intended to use twentieth-century means to achieve his goal.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @silviosilver

    Still both socialists. William Morris versus The Chartists to use non Marxist British thinkers on the subject.

  943. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Well, having Russian Chauvinism in places that are inhabited by Ukrainians is probably not a great idea.
     
    They couldn't be Russian Chauvinist even in Russia itself, much less so anywhere else.

    population that doesn’t fully support your ideology (which was definitely the case in Ukraine with regards to the Soviet Communism),
     
    Do not project the Baltic situation on the Ukrainian Soviet past. The level of support for communism in Eastern Ukraine was about the same as in the Russian parts of RSFSR. Neither higher, nor lower. Of course it was completely different in western Ukraine, which should have never been annexed to the USSR, that's the case of жадность фраера сгубила, Stalin bit more than he could chew, and then chew more than he could swallow.

    Without accommodating them even just a little and without allowing them into some decision making? You will simply alienate that population and will not be able to establish full control or at least agreement.
     
    Why do you think that they weren't accommodated? They accommodated everyone except the Russians. Russians had to be the good Vanya and accommodate everyone else. It is still the expectation in the FUSSR, although it has started to change for the obvious reasons.

    There was a vast dislike of the Russification policies that had been started in the late 19th century.
     
    Tell me more about the way they attempted to Russify the Ostsea Germans who were the masters of your lands back then and were also the most influential fraction of the Imperial bureaucracy and a substantial portion of the aristocracy overall. There was a reason general Yermolov famously said to the Czar : "Ваше Величество, прикажите произвести меня в Немцы". After all, the Czar himself spoke better German than Russian which he spoke with a typical German accent.

    And why wouldn’t the Ukrainian children be taught in Ukrainian language schools?
     
    Sure, they were thaught in Ukrainian schools, just like in the Baltics you were also thought in local language schools. For example, when I was in Tallinn in 1989 no Estonian went to a Soviet Russian school, they all went to Estonian school, the communities didn't live in the same neighborhoods, the kids from both communities were literally segregated, it was in fact an Apartheid with Estonians in charge of the local communist party and all streets named in Estonian only along the shops and everything else and it was still under Soviet rule (although it was nearing the end). And yeah, the level of comfort and affluence in Estonian parts of the town were higher than in Russophone neighborhoods and actually well higher than in Moscow. That's usually not the way the colonialism is supposed to work.

    Same as the Russian children who lived on исконно русские земли.
     
    Sure, what are these native Russian lands ? The communist were quite creative with the border drawing. For example, the Donbass Republic was initially included into the RSFSR, while Belgorod was part of Ukraine, but then they shaped both sides, or Crimea which was in RSFSR until Khrushev gave it to his beloved Ukraine. Or the entirety of Kazakhstan that has been included into RSFSR, but then made an independent state including ethnic Russian majority territories that the Kazakh never lived in great numbers prior to Russian Cossacks building their forts and villages there. And while these lands, that have been Russian for centuries were given away, Tuva which has never been Russian was included into RSFSR. Go figure what was going on in the Bolshevik megabrains.

    This is all moot anyway because Russification came back in full speed after the 1950s (plus the minorities had been purged in 1937
     
    Which minorities were purged? And do you think that Russians haven't been purged? I don't think there was an ethnic angle at play during the Great Purge.

    Tsar Alexander II had wanted
     
    Holstein-Gottorp Czar Alexander II, right? Germans tend to establish sometimes quite ambitious goals and try unsuccessfully to implement final solutions. To complex problems. Russians OTOH haven't managed to Russify completely the Mordvinians with whom they lived side by side for a thousand years. You really think that a Russian Czar, let's say Ivan the Dreadful, would have said "чухонцев и литвинов поганых в правосдавные русские люди перевести повеляю ?" Don't think so, he didn't even try that with the Tatar or the Cheremiss...

    And, of course, the Woke indoctrination in the West is awful as well, being rolled out with a great enthusiasm by a few, but far and wide. Funny how this ideology fits better with the early Soviet ideology vs the later stagnation period.
     
    Globalism is very similar to early Trotskyite communism on many levels. Probably it's in the blood of those who move the Overton window towards the NWO. They cannot act otherwise, it's instinctive. Same causes leading to same consequences. And they have an interesting sense of humor:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF

    🙂

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    The level of support for communism in Eastern Ukraine was about the same as in the Russian parts of RSFSR.

    If by Eastern Ukraine you mean everything east of Galicia (that is, former Russian Empire Ukraine) – definitely not. In the 1917 election Bolsheviks got 10% of the vote in Ukraine, compared to around 20% in Russia.

    Here is a map of Bolshevik votes in 1917:

    Bolsheviks were most popular in Latvia and Belarus (presumably among soldiers?), but after that they were most popular in central Russia (the population heartland, from Moscow and environs to Saint Petersburg) and Rostov on Don regions. No region in Ukraine supported the Bolsheviks as strongly as those Russian regions did.

    “And why wouldn’t the Ukrainian children be taught in Ukrainian language schools?”

    Sure, they were thaught in Ukrainian schools

    Some were, but it didn’t correspond to the population. In 1991 only 45% of secondary schools in Ukraine used Ukrainian as the primary language of instruction. According to the 1989 census, Ukrainians were 73% of the population. Russification was real.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Bolsheviks were most popular in Latvia and Belarus (presumably among soldiers?), but after that they were most popular in central Russia (the population heartland, from Moscow and environs to Saint Petersburg) and Rostov on Don regions. No region in Ukraine supported the Bolsheviks as strongly as those Russian regions did.
     
    True, but half-Ukrainian Kuban was pretty Bolshevik-friendly. What explains this? And could this have been a factor in making them so easy for Stalin to forcibly Russify later on?

    (BTW, interesting that even Caucasian mountain men liked Bolsheviks to a relative extent.)

    Anatoly Karlin once said that if Russia as a whole had Yaroslavl's demographics, then the Bolshevik Revolution would have failed in Russia, but what do you think? Yaroslavl was one of the most pro-Bolshevik regions in 1917, no? Albeit with it also subsequently turning sour on the Bolsheviks later on:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/yaroslavl-rebellion/
  944. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Well, having Russian Chauvinism in places that are inhabited by Ukrainians is probably not a great idea.
     
    They couldn't be Russian Chauvinist even in Russia itself, much less so anywhere else.

    population that doesn’t fully support your ideology (which was definitely the case in Ukraine with regards to the Soviet Communism),
     
    Do not project the Baltic situation on the Ukrainian Soviet past. The level of support for communism in Eastern Ukraine was about the same as in the Russian parts of RSFSR. Neither higher, nor lower. Of course it was completely different in western Ukraine, which should have never been annexed to the USSR, that's the case of жадность фраера сгубила, Stalin bit more than he could chew, and then chew more than he could swallow.

    Without accommodating them even just a little and without allowing them into some decision making? You will simply alienate that population and will not be able to establish full control or at least agreement.
     
    Why do you think that they weren't accommodated? They accommodated everyone except the Russians. Russians had to be the good Vanya and accommodate everyone else. It is still the expectation in the FUSSR, although it has started to change for the obvious reasons.

    There was a vast dislike of the Russification policies that had been started in the late 19th century.
     
    Tell me more about the way they attempted to Russify the Ostsea Germans who were the masters of your lands back then and were also the most influential fraction of the Imperial bureaucracy and a substantial portion of the aristocracy overall. There was a reason general Yermolov famously said to the Czar : "Ваше Величество, прикажите произвести меня в Немцы". After all, the Czar himself spoke better German than Russian which he spoke with a typical German accent.

    And why wouldn’t the Ukrainian children be taught in Ukrainian language schools?
     
    Sure, they were thaught in Ukrainian schools, just like in the Baltics you were also thought in local language schools. For example, when I was in Tallinn in 1989 no Estonian went to a Soviet Russian school, they all went to Estonian school, the communities didn't live in the same neighborhoods, the kids from both communities were literally segregated, it was in fact an Apartheid with Estonians in charge of the local communist party and all streets named in Estonian only along the shops and everything else and it was still under Soviet rule (although it was nearing the end). And yeah, the level of comfort and affluence in Estonian parts of the town were higher than in Russophone neighborhoods and actually well higher than in Moscow. That's usually not the way the colonialism is supposed to work.

    Same as the Russian children who lived on исконно русские земли.
     
    Sure, what are these native Russian lands ? The communist were quite creative with the border drawing. For example, the Donbass Republic was initially included into the RSFSR, while Belgorod was part of Ukraine, but then they shaped both sides, or Crimea which was in RSFSR until Khrushev gave it to his beloved Ukraine. Or the entirety of Kazakhstan that has been included into RSFSR, but then made an independent state including ethnic Russian majority territories that the Kazakh never lived in great numbers prior to Russian Cossacks building their forts and villages there. And while these lands, that have been Russian for centuries were given away, Tuva which has never been Russian was included into RSFSR. Go figure what was going on in the Bolshevik megabrains.

    This is all moot anyway because Russification came back in full speed after the 1950s (plus the minorities had been purged in 1937
     
    Which minorities were purged? And do you think that Russians haven't been purged? I don't think there was an ethnic angle at play during the Great Purge.

    Tsar Alexander II had wanted
     
    Holstein-Gottorp Czar Alexander II, right? Germans tend to establish sometimes quite ambitious goals and try unsuccessfully to implement final solutions. To complex problems. Russians OTOH haven't managed to Russify completely the Mordvinians with whom they lived side by side for a thousand years. You really think that a Russian Czar, let's say Ivan the Dreadful, would have said "чухонцев и литвинов поганых в правосдавные русские люди перевести повеляю ?" Don't think so, he didn't even try that with the Tatar or the Cheremiss...

    And, of course, the Woke indoctrination in the West is awful as well, being rolled out with a great enthusiasm by a few, but far and wide. Funny how this ideology fits better with the early Soviet ideology vs the later stagnation period.
     
    Globalism is very similar to early Trotskyite communism on many levels. Probably it's in the blood of those who move the Overton window towards the NWO. They cannot act otherwise, it's instinctive. Same causes leading to same consequences. And they have an interesting sense of humor:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF

    🙂

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    Do not project the Baltic situation on the Ukrainian Soviet past. The level of support for communism in Eastern Ukraine was about the same as in the Russian parts of RSFSR. Neither higher, nor lower.

    Right, I should be careful not to speak in their name (although quite a few of them would agree with my outlook). I was also referring to certain events in the Kyiv city rather than in Eastern Ukraine (that maybe shouldn’t be extrapolated). My bad, I wasn’t careful.

    Why do you think that they weren’t accommodated? They accommodated everyone except the Russians. Russians had to be the good Vanya and accommodate everyone else.

    Were Russians not in the highest levels of the Party, of the Red Army and the NKVD? Good positions in science. But I understand what you mean. They probably could not be an openly practicing Orthodox, but they didn’t have to give up their nationality to achieve status (like all those Ukrainians did who married Jews to gain status, although to be fair, it was their own choice). This korenizatsia touched everyone, in fact, a more appropriate word would be выкорчёвывание (as in, выкоронить народный дух). Maybe the Eastern Ukrainians gained from it, but if they already spoke Ukrainian, why shouldn’t they get those schools and books? Especially if they were such good Soviet citizens. Come on, it’s the 20th century.

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    Tell me more about the way they attempted to Russify the Ostsea Germans who were the masters of your lands back then and were also the most influential fraction of the Imperial bureaucracy and a substantial portion of the aristocracy overall.

    But that’s exactly the problem – the Imperial powers ganged up with the Baltic Germans to screw over the native Baltic population. You wouldn’t dare touch those Germans because then there would be problems. But you sure as heck did not worry about Russifying innocent Balts who had never been Orthodox and had never spoken Russian in their whole thousands of years of existence. And these policies went very very deep and very far West into the Baltic lands. Why should I be happy about this and that you spared these “Ostsee German” manor holders? How is it the fault of the non-German Baltic people what these people did in Russia proper? (And yes some Baltic Germans were ethnically Baltic but not most, that group was more mixed than is perceived but mostly German ofc).

    Sure, they were thaught in Ukrainian schools, just like in the Baltics you were also thought in local language schools.

    Why wouldn’t we be taught in our native schools by our own native teachers on our own ancestral lands where we had had all levels of education in our native languages for a long time? The angle from which you approach this argument is a priori faulty – that we had this is a basic non disputable right not some kind of a privilege, the way you make it sound.

    For example, when I was in Tallinn in 1989 no Estonian went to a Soviet Russian school, they all went to Estonian school,

    Why would they go to a Russian school? If they wanted to study theater acting or engineering in Moscow, if they were lucky enough to get into one of those prestigious schools at the time, then they would study in Russian there.

    the communities didn’t live in the same neighborhoods, the kids from both communities were literally segregated

    It varied depending on the neighborhood or town, but, yes, it was largely separate. Probably more so than now. The Estonians are entitled to living separately in their own country if they so wish, and the Russians were recent arrivals there. Even in the US, there were separate settlements for nationalities (especially for Nordic peoples). However, there was a rather bad housing shortage for a while (due to so many Slavic people arriving and many people moving into the city and due to the baby boom in mid 80s). It was somewhat improving by the late 80s, as they managed to build more housing and improve the living standards (but I admit that this was too slow). My town was majority Russian speaking and it had higher living standards than elsewhere (Kosigyn used to have a summer property there), it was full of Russian speakers and recent arrivals, as well as summer guests. Yes, the Russians tended to live in those high rises (rayonchik) but they did occasionally have different and better types of housing and as I said eventually they built better housing.

    it was in fact an Apartheid with Estonians in charge of the local communist party and all streets named in Estonian only along the shops and everything else and it was still under Soviet rule

    Estonians speak a Finnic language and for them Russian was always hard. In LV & LT, everything was bilingual, including a lot of the government documentation (and street names). The problem with the locals being “in charge of the local Communist party” is that there should have not been a Communist party. But even in those circumstances, I doubt they somehow refused to service the needs of the Russian population. I highly doubt Estonians would cooperate that well with some Russian dude in charge. Btw, those local commies were bad enough.

    And yeah, the level of comfort and affluence in Estonian parts of the town were higher than in Russophone neighborhoods and actually well higher than in Moscow. That’s usually not the way the colonialism is supposed to work.

    They had slightly higher comfort due to what they had accrued from before the war and also because they prioritize comfort and their whole life revolves around organizing things properly. In Riga, Russians lived pretty well and we mixed with Russians much more than the Estonians did (they are much more reserved). The way that colonialism worked in the Baltic region was more through the military facilities and surveillance towards Sweden. I think that was the main benefit for the Soviets. Maybe also some spying and a few factories.

    Sure, what are these native Russian lands ? The communist were quite creative with the border drawing.

    This has been turned into the big question now. Clearly, the doors to some revisionism have been opened wide. With everything that comes with it.

    For example, the Donbass Republic was initially included into the RSFSR, while Belgorod was part of Ukraine

    Yea, that’s why there is now an attempt to create a Belgorod People’s Republic (not funny). BNR & DNR, that’s creative as well (not!). As to the original Donbass situation, wasn’t there a large Ukrainian population there as well and further into Kuban’? And in Sloboda Ukraine? Either way, the linguistic and cultural situation should’ve stayed intact there – there was a good equilibrium in that regard with the population speaking mostly Russian but also understanding Ukrainian. That’s part of this historic region so the people there should not have been threatened with any drastic changes.

    Go figure what was going on in the Bolshevik megabrains.

    I agree. And the Russian side does have legitimate concerns in some ways (this is very complicated). I heard somewhere that Stalin tried to divide up territories in a weird way purposefully to control territories through ethnic strife. Btw, on a happier note, I heard that Stalin wanted to give Kaliningrad to Lithuania back in 1945, but Lithuania refused (I understand why, but still dumb, imo). The problem is that these things, even if they had been dealt with in 1991, would have been difficult to sort out.

    Which minorities were purged?

    Poles, Latvians and everyone else, a whole Latvian theater group were shot. Including an actress who had been famous in silent movies at the time (Marija Leiko). There were many refugees who had fled to Russia during WW1 who never made it back home, they deserved to stay and live in Russia instead of being persecuted or killed.

    And do you think that Russians haven’t been purged?

    Of course, they were! And very cruelly. I once read about how they shot a young, handicapped Russian priest, it was just so heartbreaking.

    I don’t think there was an ethnic angle at play during the Great Purge.

    There was a terror state in action, with an air of paranoia, they tried to find whatever pre-text to purge whoever (“a spy of this or that background”), but the fact that they had things such as the Polish action, does have an ethnic angle. That doesn’t mean that what they did to the Russians is in any way less significant. Maybe in some ways more.

    Germans tend to establish sometimes quite ambitious goals and try unsuccessfully to implement final solutions. To complex problems.

    Yea, but it sucks to be on the receiving end, completely unfairly. This was done in response to the Polish uprising, btw. Neither Russians, nor Germans should have been on those lands, period!

    Russians OTOH haven’t managed to Russify completely the Mordvinians with whom they lived side by side for a thousand years.

    Why should they be Russified? They’ve lived there longer than the Slavs. They’re not doing all that great, btw, in terms of language. Btw, there have been Mordvin guests in the Baltics with an ethnographic program and they are really liked.

    Globalism is very similar to early Trotskyite communism on many levels. Probably it’s in the blood of those who move the Overton window towards the NWO. They cannot act otherwise, it’s instinctive.

    Cosmopolitanism & internationalism take on different forms over the ages, but its essence stays the same. It just becomes a question of the technological means which are used to facilitate its spread and eventually control over masses.

    And they have an interesting sense of humor

    It is indeed funny how they called Lenin “the epitome of Russianness”. You know, we fell for it as kids because the name Volodya just sounds so endearingly Russian…

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    (Marija Leiko)
     
    Seems like she made a terrible blunder in moving to the USSR:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marija_Leiko

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  945. @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool


    Kids should be left to have an innocent and peaceful childhood. Those who want them to become adults ASAP are imbeciles that are not adults themselves.
     
    Dressing children in military uniforms is about instilling a sense of patriotism in them. It's part of their education (a proper education, not the shitlib variety) in "who they are" and what life is like - we are a people, and we have enemies who want to hurt us, and we need to be prepared to defend ourselves. Nobody is pretending they're going to be marched off to war ("become adults ASAP") or that frivolity has no place in childhood. And anyway, when has "playing war" ever been a burden to children? The way I remember it, any kid that didn't want to play war struck me as a bit weird.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @Dmitry, @Philip Owen

    The normal way to go about that is the Youth Guard which starts at age 10 (earliest), ideally no sooner than age 12. Instilling patriotism is good, but not indoctrinating kids to grow up to want to kill their neighbors by default (as is the case with those kids in the video).

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    I don't get your meaning. Are you saying the kids are being indoctrinated to kill their neighbors?

    For children this young, how much difference is there between instilling a willingness to protect your family as opposed to developing an impulse to defend against your neighbors?

    I am asking. I have wondered how morality was taught in an atheist USSR/Russia. On the other hand, I wonder if it is taught at all in the contemporary West.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @silviosilver
    @LatW


    Instilling patriotism is good, but not indoctrinating kids to grow up to want to kill their neighbors by default (as is the case with those kids in the video).
     
    I didn't watch the video. Although I replied to Bash's post, I was actually responding to Dmitry's claim that parents who dress their kids in uniforms are unfit for parenthood (a post which Bash hit "AGREE" on).

    I don't think it's difficult to maintain a distinction between instilling an awareness of (and pride and respect for) the necessity of armed defence and instilling a hatred of neighbors. The former is quite compatible with teaching respect for, and even appreciation of, neighboring peoples.

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  946. @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool


    Kids should be left to have an innocent and peaceful childhood. Those who want them to become adults ASAP are imbeciles that are not adults themselves.
     
    Dressing children in military uniforms is about instilling a sense of patriotism in them. It's part of their education (a proper education, not the shitlib variety) in "who they are" and what life is like - we are a people, and we have enemies who want to hurt us, and we need to be prepared to defend ourselves. Nobody is pretending they're going to be marched off to war ("become adults ASAP") or that frivolity has no place in childhood. And anyway, when has "playing war" ever been a burden to children? The way I remember it, any kid that didn't want to play war struck me as a bit weird.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @Dmitry, @Philip Owen

    They are great kids. What they grow into depends on many things. Should we help them grow into Heroes, Saints or Butchers?

    This looked OK and made me smile. A universal problem is that it may look the same even when it is not OK 🙁

  947. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    The level of support for communism in Eastern Ukraine was about the same as in the Russian parts of RSFSR.
     
    If by Eastern Ukraine you mean everything east of Galicia (that is, former Russian Empire Ukraine) - definitely not. In the 1917 election Bolsheviks got 10% of the vote in Ukraine, compared to around 20% in Russia.

    Here is a map of Bolshevik votes in 1917:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/%D0%92%D1%8B%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%A3%D1%87%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_1917_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4_-_%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%94%D0%A0%D0%9F%28%D0%B1%29_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC.svg/800px-%D0%92%D1%8B%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%A3%D1%87%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_1917_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4_-_%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%94%D0%A0%D0%9F%28%D0%B1%29_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC.svg.png

    Bolsheviks were most popular in Latvia and Belarus (presumably among soldiers?), but after that they were most popular in central Russia (the population heartland, from Moscow and environs to Saint Petersburg) and Rostov on Don regions. No region in Ukraine supported the Bolsheviks as strongly as those Russian regions did.

    "And why wouldn’t the Ukrainian children be taught in Ukrainian language schools?"

    Sure, they were thaught in Ukrainian schools
     
    Some were, but it didn't correspond to the population. In 1991 only 45% of secondary schools in Ukraine used Ukrainian as the primary language of instruction. According to the 1989 census, Ukrainians were 73% of the population. Russification was real.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Bolsheviks were most popular in Latvia and Belarus (presumably among soldiers?), but after that they were most popular in central Russia (the population heartland, from Moscow and environs to Saint Petersburg) and Rostov on Don regions. No region in Ukraine supported the Bolsheviks as strongly as those Russian regions did.

    True, but half-Ukrainian Kuban was pretty Bolshevik-friendly. What explains this? And could this have been a factor in making them so easy for Stalin to forcibly Russify later on?

    (BTW, interesting that even Caucasian mountain men liked Bolsheviks to a relative extent.)

    Anatoly Karlin once said that if Russia as a whole had Yaroslavl’s demographics, then the Bolshevik Revolution would have failed in Russia, but what do you think? Yaroslavl was one of the most pro-Bolshevik regions in 1917, no? Albeit with it also subsequently turning sour on the Bolsheviks later on:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/yaroslavl-rebellion/

  948. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    And currently, many Ukrainians also hate Russian liberals.
     
    The Russian liberals are in a very unenviable situation right now - they were never bound to gain much power to begin with, they have largely limited their activities to all sorts of forums in Europe, and they have not done that much for Ukraine compared to what the rest of Europe have done. Then again, it's not their job. I do sympathize with them (even if I don't fully share their politics). The Russian armed resistance hates them too because of their empty talk and the Ukrainians just straight up believe they are the same Russian imperialists (just in a more "civilized" veneer). There is absolutely nothing they can do short of joining the armed resistance to placate the Ukrainians.

    Btw, speaking of nationalities... besides the Jews, the Russian liberal opposition is actually quite Northern Russian. And all the individuals who are the most compatible with Europe and who have the most peaceful, democratic, egalitarian (in the good sense of the word), humane opinions also happen to be Northern Russian (Gudkov Sr & Jr, Navalny, Nevzorov, Gleb Pyanyh and others). They are just so benign and helpless, and they don't get much support from either side.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    Btw, speaking of nationalities… besides the Jews, the Russian liberal opposition is actually quite Northern Russian. And all the individuals who are the most compatible with Europe and who have the most peaceful, democratic, egalitarian (in the good sense of the word), humane opinions also happen to be Northern Russian (Gudkov Sr & Jr, Navalny, Nevzorov, Gleb Pyanyh and others). They are just so benign and helpless, and they don’t get much support from either side.

    Maybe the Finnic admixture does something positive for them? Finland is remarkably free, democratic, and non-corrupt, and when I think about it, Navalny is one of Russia’s few prominent anti-corruption campaigners.

    Maybe Russia’s future is to be ruled by humane Judeo-Finnic overlords lol?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Maybe the Finnic admixture does something positive for them?
     
    It's not just Finnic, but mostly Northern Slavic genes. The phenotype is not distinctly Finnic. But yea, they wear these knitted turtle necks and are totally peaceful and rational and very different from some of the very vocally violent individuals on the Russian propaganda channels.

    Maybe Russia’s future is to be ruled by humane Judeo-Finnic overlords lol?
     
    Very funny, lol. You know there is something to it.. I would have never thought of before. It's definitely not for everyone though. On a more serious note, they should not have any overlords. They should be free and focus on their own people. Maybe everyone should have some "Me time" (except the Intermarium peoples of course!). :)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  949. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Do not project the Baltic situation on the Ukrainian Soviet past. The level of support for communism in Eastern Ukraine was about the same as in the Russian parts of RSFSR. Neither higher, nor lower.
     
    Right, I should be careful not to speak in their name (although quite a few of them would agree with my outlook). I was also referring to certain events in the Kyiv city rather than in Eastern Ukraine (that maybe shouldn't be extrapolated). My bad, I wasn't careful.

    Why do you think that they weren’t accommodated? They accommodated everyone except the Russians. Russians had to be the good Vanya and accommodate everyone else.
     
    Were Russians not in the highest levels of the Party, of the Red Army and the NKVD? Good positions in science. But I understand what you mean. They probably could not be an openly practicing Orthodox, but they didn't have to give up their nationality to achieve status (like all those Ukrainians did who married Jews to gain status, although to be fair, it was their own choice). This korenizatsia touched everyone, in fact, a more appropriate word would be выкорчёвывание (as in, выкоронить народный дух). Maybe the Eastern Ukrainians gained from it, but if they already spoke Ukrainian, why shouldn't they get those schools and books? Especially if they were such good Soviet citizens. Come on, it's the 20th century.

    Tell me more about the way they attempted to Russify the Ostsea Germans who were the masters of your lands back then and were also the most influential fraction of the Imperial bureaucracy and a substantial portion of the aristocracy overall.
     
    But that's exactly the problem - the Imperial powers ganged up with the Baltic Germans to screw over the native Baltic population. You wouldn't dare touch those Germans because then there would be problems. But you sure as heck did not worry about Russifying innocent Balts who had never been Orthodox and had never spoken Russian in their whole thousands of years of existence. And these policies went very very deep and very far West into the Baltic lands. Why should I be happy about this and that you spared these "Ostsee German" manor holders? How is it the fault of the non-German Baltic people what these people did in Russia proper? (And yes some Baltic Germans were ethnically Baltic but not most, that group was more mixed than is perceived but mostly German ofc).

    Sure, they were thaught in Ukrainian schools, just like in the Baltics you were also thought in local language schools.
     
    Why wouldn't we be taught in our native schools by our own native teachers on our own ancestral lands where we had had all levels of education in our native languages for a long time? The angle from which you approach this argument is a priori faulty - that we had this is a basic non disputable right not some kind of a privilege, the way you make it sound.

    For example, when I was in Tallinn in 1989 no Estonian went to a Soviet Russian school, they all went to Estonian school,
     
    Why would they go to a Russian school? If they wanted to study theater acting or engineering in Moscow, if they were lucky enough to get into one of those prestigious schools at the time, then they would study in Russian there.

    the communities didn’t live in the same neighborhoods, the kids from both communities were literally segregated
     
    It varied depending on the neighborhood or town, but, yes, it was largely separate. Probably more so than now. The Estonians are entitled to living separately in their own country if they so wish, and the Russians were recent arrivals there. Even in the US, there were separate settlements for nationalities (especially for Nordic peoples). However, there was a rather bad housing shortage for a while (due to so many Slavic people arriving and many people moving into the city and due to the baby boom in mid 80s). It was somewhat improving by the late 80s, as they managed to build more housing and improve the living standards (but I admit that this was too slow). My town was majority Russian speaking and it had higher living standards than elsewhere (Kosigyn used to have a summer property there), it was full of Russian speakers and recent arrivals, as well as summer guests. Yes, the Russians tended to live in those high rises (rayonchik) but they did occasionally have different and better types of housing and as I said eventually they built better housing.

    it was in fact an Apartheid with Estonians in charge of the local communist party and all streets named in Estonian only along the shops and everything else and it was still under Soviet rule
     
    Estonians speak a Finnic language and for them Russian was always hard. In LV & LT, everything was bilingual, including a lot of the government documentation (and street names). The problem with the locals being "in charge of the local Communist party" is that there should have not been a Communist party. But even in those circumstances, I doubt they somehow refused to service the needs of the Russian population. I highly doubt Estonians would cooperate that well with some Russian dude in charge. Btw, those local commies were bad enough.

    And yeah, the level of comfort and affluence in Estonian parts of the town were higher than in Russophone neighborhoods and actually well higher than in Moscow. That’s usually not the way the colonialism is supposed to work.
     
    They had slightly higher comfort due to what they had accrued from before the war and also because they prioritize comfort and their whole life revolves around organizing things properly. In Riga, Russians lived pretty well and we mixed with Russians much more than the Estonians did (they are much more reserved). The way that colonialism worked in the Baltic region was more through the military facilities and surveillance towards Sweden. I think that was the main benefit for the Soviets. Maybe also some spying and a few factories.

    Sure, what are these native Russian lands ? The communist were quite creative with the border drawing.
     
    This has been turned into the big question now. Clearly, the doors to some revisionism have been opened wide. With everything that comes with it.

    For example, the Donbass Republic was initially included into the RSFSR, while Belgorod was part of Ukraine
     
    Yea, that's why there is now an attempt to create a Belgorod People's Republic (not funny). BNR & DNR, that's creative as well (not!). As to the original Donbass situation, wasn't there a large Ukrainian population there as well and further into Kuban'? And in Sloboda Ukraine? Either way, the linguistic and cultural situation should've stayed intact there - there was a good equilibrium in that regard with the population speaking mostly Russian but also understanding Ukrainian. That's part of this historic region so the people there should not have been threatened with any drastic changes.

    Go figure what was going on in the Bolshevik megabrains.
     
    I agree. And the Russian side does have legitimate concerns in some ways (this is very complicated). I heard somewhere that Stalin tried to divide up territories in a weird way purposefully to control territories through ethnic strife. Btw, on a happier note, I heard that Stalin wanted to give Kaliningrad to Lithuania back in 1945, but Lithuania refused (I understand why, but still dumb, imo). The problem is that these things, even if they had been dealt with in 1991, would have been difficult to sort out.

    Which minorities were purged?
     
    Poles, Latvians and everyone else, a whole Latvian theater group were shot. Including an actress who had been famous in silent movies at the time (Marija Leiko). There were many refugees who had fled to Russia during WW1 who never made it back home, they deserved to stay and live in Russia instead of being persecuted or killed.

    And do you think that Russians haven’t been purged?
     
    Of course, they were! And very cruelly. I once read about how they shot a young, handicapped Russian priest, it was just so heartbreaking.

    I don’t think there was an ethnic angle at play during the Great Purge.
     
    There was a terror state in action, with an air of paranoia, they tried to find whatever pre-text to purge whoever ("a spy of this or that background"), but the fact that they had things such as the Polish action, does have an ethnic angle. That doesn't mean that what they did to the Russians is in any way less significant. Maybe in some ways more.

    Germans tend to establish sometimes quite ambitious goals and try unsuccessfully to implement final solutions. To complex problems.
     
    Yea, but it sucks to be on the receiving end, completely unfairly. This was done in response to the Polish uprising, btw. Neither Russians, nor Germans should have been on those lands, period!

    Russians OTOH haven’t managed to Russify completely the Mordvinians with whom they lived side by side for a thousand years.
     
    Why should they be Russified? They've lived there longer than the Slavs. They're not doing all that great, btw, in terms of language. Btw, there have been Mordvin guests in the Baltics with an ethnographic program and they are really liked.

    Globalism is very similar to early Trotskyite communism on many levels. Probably it’s in the blood of those who move the Overton window towards the NWO. They cannot act otherwise, it’s instinctive.

     

    Cosmopolitanism & internationalism take on different forms over the ages, but its essence stays the same. It just becomes a question of the technological means which are used to facilitate its spread and eventually control over masses.

    And they have an interesting sense of humor
     
    It is indeed funny how they called Lenin "the epitome of Russianness". You know, we fell for it as kids because the name Volodya just sounds so endearingly Russian...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    (Marija Leiko)

    Seems like she made a terrible blunder in moving to the USSR:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marija_Leiko

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ

    She was a creative person so she did not have an ordinary life - she had a spouse and a child in Georgia, and she was visiting the child in Georgia. She was probably not fully aware of the severity of what was happening politically at the time (though she may have heard about it). She was known not just in Russia but also Germany.

  950. @LatW
    @silviosilver

    The normal way to go about that is the Youth Guard which starts at age 10 (earliest), ideally no sooner than age 12. Instilling patriotism is good, but not indoctrinating kids to grow up to want to kill their neighbors by default (as is the case with those kids in the video).

    Replies: @QCIC, @silviosilver

    I don’t get your meaning. Are you saying the kids are being indoctrinated to kill their neighbors?

    For children this young, how much difference is there between instilling a willingness to protect your family as opposed to developing an impulse to defend against your neighbors?

    I am asking. I have wondered how morality was taught in an atheist USSR/Russia. On the other hand, I wonder if it is taught at all in the contemporary West.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    I don’t get your meaning. Are you saying the kids are being indoctrinated to kill their neighbors?
     
    I'm not sure it's worth my time to jump over hoops to try to explain to you what I see and to belabor my point - whenever I've spoken to you, you have seemed very rigid in your outlook, really set in your ways and it sounds like you've already made up your mind about people like me. I'm not sure it's worth it for me to bend over backwards to provide the cultural, regional and linguistic context here, knowing that it won't be accepted or even heard anyway.

    Replies: @QCIC

  951. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers.
     
    I rarely (if ever) find cause to criticize you or your thoughts expressed at this website. In fact, I think that you are one of the better commenters that expresses himself here, and I think that you'd have to admit that nobody who regularly blogs here has lavished greater praise for your comments than I.

    Yet in this one outburst of yours, you've managed to give a poor example of humility and have managed to put substance to a characterization of yours as being a haughty individual with an uncontrollable ego expressed by individuals like AaronB and even Dmitry (a commenter that I know that you appreciate). Is it proper for a Christian to write such demeaning nonsense about people, perhaps less fortunate than you, who have managed to raise their place in the world by educating themselves (not at the PhD level perhaps, BTW have you acquired a PhD, and if not, why not?) and working hard to put food on their table. Honest and hard work should never be denigrated.

    I work among these types of people today, that you so callously try and denigrate. I do so now, towards the end of my working career, for it's not as stressful as full time more responsible work. I worked for many years as a manager with 25 plus retirement plans that I was responsible for. Not everybody can handle the stress nor feels comfortable doing the necessary calculations of this kind of work. Yet I try not to denigrate others that are working honestly within their chosen professions. Where would you be today without some sort of help from the "office plankton" of the world?

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    “In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers.”

    Is it proper for a Christian to write such demeaning nonsense about people, perhaps less fortunate than you, who have managed to raise their place in the world

    I worked as an office plankton once when I was an undergraduate student (knowing Excel was good enough). It was fairly useless work. Something involving spreadsheets. I did a good enough job that they wanted to keep me on and promote me as a “project manager” but I resumed my studies instead. I don’t remember what my actual duties were anymore, despite indeed working and spending 8 hours a day there. I remember what I did in other jobs, such as at a restaurant as a teenager, or in a warehouse/factory (not to mention more professionally), but here it’s vague. This reflects the relative uselessness of that type of work, I think.

    Honest and hard work should never be denigrated.

    Well, it is honest. Not particularly hard. One wakes up early and goes to work and spends 8 hours in an office 5 days a week. Attends meetings occasionally. Chats with coworkers on breaks and at lunch. It’s a way to keep people honestly employed.

    There is a place for people who are bright enough to get a degree past high school but not bright (or motivated) enough to do much else such as engineering, finance, medicine, law, hard sciences, etc. I had a friend like that in university, partied a bit much so switched from engineering to business administration which was a lot easier and accommodating to his lifestyle. In America such people end up in cubicles, HR departments, etc. The USSR didn’t have businesses to absorb such people so it mass produced pseudo-engineers instead.

    It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    Well, it is honest. Not particularly hard. One wakes up early and goes to work and spends 8 hours in an office 5 days a week. Attends meetings occasionally. Chats with coworkers on breaks and at lunch. It’s a way to keep people honestly employed...In America such people end up in cubicles, HR departments, etc...It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.
     
    You make it sound as if corporations within America employ people as some sort of social justice program. In the office that I work in, of approximately 60 people, 1-2- work in HR positions, 1-2 in marketing positions, one at the front desk, and about 7-8 as Investment Advisor assistants. Oh, there's a compliance guy and an IT guy too. These assistants are paid directly by the Advisors, so if they're not doing some sort of useful work they'd soon get the axe. I can imagine that in the whole office, perhaps 1-2 are involved in what could possibly be seen as "fluff work". So, in my opinion, a lot of the plankton are necessary cogs in a much bigger wheel, and are paid by somebody who benefits directly from their output. Not everybody in the world can boast that due to their work the world is now safe from Covid or from cancer. Have a little empathy, AP. :-)

    Replies: @AP

    , @silviosilver
    @AP


    I worked as an office plankton once when I was an undergraduate student (knowing Excel was good enough). It was fairly useless work.
     
    For someone who routinely extols the virtues of the market economy over communism, you seem to have a bizarre understanding of its operation. If a private enterprise hires you to carry out some task, the working assumption (at least) ought to be that your employer perceives it as useful - else why in the world would they hire you to do it? That isn't to say it's actually useful. Employers aren't omniscient. Bad business decisions which waste time and resources are very common. In the long run, however, occasionally getting it wrong is a necessary part of getting it right. And it's supremely doubtful that you, when you were doing that work, were in any position to know whether the business was getting it wrong or right.

    It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.
     
    What a ludicrously high opinion you have of yourself. It's actually quite amusing that you seem blithely unaware of how poorly it comes off. For all its many faults, one of the best things about an egalitarian society is the ability to dismiss and candidly smirk at the vainglory of self-appointed social superiors. (Imagine a world in which social forces demanded we indulge their conceits - eeuuww!)

    Replies: @AP, @Gerard1234

  952. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    The relationship of the Velikoross and the Rusyn/Maloross was similar to the relationship of the Northern (langue d'oil) French and the Southern (langue d'oc) French. The only difference is that France managed to unify these distinct regional identities, while the Russian Empire failed. It failed mainly because it didn't really care about the cultural identification of the exploited masses, just like the British Raj didn't care whether someone self identified as Gurkha or as Punjabi as long as they remained obedient and useful subjects to the Empire.

    Now, about korenizatsia, it was not done to placate minorities, but to weaken the Velikoross ethnic majority and prevent the emergence (or perhaps the resurgence) of the Great Russian Chauvinism. In Ukraine, by the time of the Revolution, the townsfolk spoke Russian with some regional particularities (for example the Odessite way of speaking Russian was heavily influenced by Yiddish). The countryside spoke Ukrainian. The industrial regions such as Donbass spoke both and had mixes populations and people of mixed backgrounds such as my grandfather who was born somewhere between Debaltsevo and Yenakievo in the family of a middle class artisan and was raised in a bilingual milieu. He had never recognized any sizeable differences between (Southern) Russians and (Eastern) Ukrainian populations. I think he was entirely right, Kursk and Belgorod people are largely of exactly the same stock as the people on the other side of the border. Speaking Russian was a sign of higher education and greater social mobility. Speaking Ukrainian was seen as the manner to demonstrate one's roots, my grandfather did both, had a great career and achievements in his field and never had to renege on his roots unlike those ethnic Russians who happen to live in Ukraine today.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Now, about korenizatsia, it was not done to placate minorities, but to weaken the Velikoross ethnic majority and prevent the emergence (or perhaps the resurgence) of the Great Russian Chauvinism.

    After reading your response, I think that we’ll both have to admit that there’s truth in both of our positions. Everything that I’ve read about korinizatsiya points to it being indeed a response to the nascent and powerful evolution of Ukrainian nationalism in Ukraine. I’ve also read that it was thought of a as way to curb the resurgence of Great Russian chauvinism. In Ukraine’s case, both of these currents were really the opposite sides of the same coin.
    These demonstrations in Kyiv in 1917 in favor of Ukrainian independence, represent the mood and feelings of Ukrainians that the Bolsheviks were to encounter in 1921. As our friend AP has pointed out numerous times, political parties that were popular in Russia, were not so in Ukraine during those turbulent times.

    Yet you were also discussing the supposed coloniser/colonist relationship between Russia and Ukraine (although I don’t think that I ever brought this sort of thing up?). You failed to address an important question that I had posed to you:

    If a country’s major political, economic, cultural, language and religious policies are all closely monitored and approved or disapproved in a neighboring country’s capital city, what would be a more accurate way to describe their relationship than colonizer/colonized?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    Interesting question for you, Hackster: Had Russia avoided the Bolshevik coup in 1917 and instead limped on in WWI up to the very end, just how grateful do you think that Ukrainians would have been to Russians for shedding an extraordinarily massive amount of their blood so that Galicia could be unified together with the rest of Ukraine in a free and democratic federal Russia, very possibly led by the Socialist Revolutionary Party?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  953. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Btw, speaking of nationalities… besides the Jews, the Russian liberal opposition is actually quite Northern Russian. And all the individuals who are the most compatible with Europe and who have the most peaceful, democratic, egalitarian (in the good sense of the word), humane opinions also happen to be Northern Russian (Gudkov Sr & Jr, Navalny, Nevzorov, Gleb Pyanyh and others). They are just so benign and helpless, and they don’t get much support from either side.
     
    Maybe the Finnic admixture does something positive for them? Finland is remarkably free, democratic, and non-corrupt, and when I think about it, Navalny is one of Russia's few prominent anti-corruption campaigners.

    Maybe Russia's future is to be ruled by humane Judeo-Finnic overlords lol?

    Replies: @LatW

    Maybe the Finnic admixture does something positive for them?

    It’s not just Finnic, but mostly Northern Slavic genes. The phenotype is not distinctly Finnic. But yea, they wear these knitted turtle necks and are totally peaceful and rational and very different from some of the very vocally violent individuals on the Russian propaganda channels.

    Maybe Russia’s future is to be ruled by humane Judeo-Finnic overlords lol?

    Very funny, lol. You know there is something to it.. I would have never thought of before. It’s definitely not for everyone though. On a more serious note, they should not have any overlords. They should be free and focus on their own people. Maybe everyone should have some “Me time” (except the Intermarium peoples of course!). 🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    It’s not just Finnic, but mostly Northern Slavic genes. The phenotype is not distinctly Finnic. But yea, they wear these knitted turtle necks and are totally peaceful and rational and very different from some of the very vocally violent individuals on the Russian propaganda channels.
     
    Well, I mentioned Finnic genes because I know that Northern Slavs are essentially Finnic-Slavic hybrids, on average, in terms of their genetic ancestry.

    Very funny, lol. You know there is something to it.. I would have never thought of before. It’s definitely not for everyone though. On a more serious note, they should not have any overlords. They should be free and focus on their own people. Maybe everyone should have some “Me time” (except the Intermarium peoples of course!). 🙂
     
    Why shouldn't the Intermarium peoples also get some "Me time"?

    As a side note, I like the Freedom of Russia Legion logo:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Patch_of_the_Ukrainian_Free_Russian_Legion.svg/800px-Patch_of_the_Ukrainian_Free_Russian_Legion.svg.png

    I wish that if the Russian people will decisively lose this war, they will subsequently reject expansionist nationalism and instead become more pro-Western over the subsequent decades. Ilya Somin talked about how the popularity of ideologies is often determined by just how successful they are:

    https://reason.com/volokh/2023/02/24/a-conflict-between-liberal-democracy-and-authoritarian-nationalism-implications-of-a-broader-stake-in-the-russia-ukraine-war/

    It would be cool to see a more peaceful Russian nationalism emerge in place of the current one, though. An Amish-style Russian nationalism, if you will. Would be nice if they could also breed more, along with other the Intermarium peoples. And also maybe invite Israeli Jews to settle there in large numbers if Israel will ever join the EU and become severely overpopulated itself? In such a scenario, I hope and envision Russia itself eventually joining the EU as well. Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered, but they shouldn't worry, since Germany, Japan, and Italy all contribute more to human progress (in terms of elite science production + R & D spending) relative to Russia in spite of their own prospects of being their own unique civilizational poles being decisively and permanently crushed decades ago (as a result of their loss in WWII, to be more specific).

    By the way, if a much more Woke future Russia will want more diversity, it should seriously consider engaging in (consensual) proselytization of the Russian Orthodox faith, primarily in the developing world. This could attract a sizable numbers of converts, I suspect. And then create a Law of Return for these converts similar to what Israel has for Jews, including for Jewish converts.

    Replies: @LatW, @The Big Red Scary, @German_reader

  954. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    And currently, many Ukrainians also hate Russian liberals.
     
    The Russian liberals are in a very unenviable situation right now - they were never bound to gain much power to begin with, they have largely limited their activities to all sorts of forums in Europe, and they have not done that much for Ukraine compared to what the rest of Europe have done. Then again, it's not their job. I do sympathize with them (even if I don't fully share their politics). The Russian armed resistance hates them too because of their empty talk and the Ukrainians just straight up believe they are the same Russian imperialists (just in a more "civilized" veneer). There is absolutely nothing they can do short of joining the armed resistance to placate the Ukrainians.

    Btw, speaking of nationalities... besides the Jews, the Russian liberal opposition is actually quite Northern Russian. And all the individuals who are the most compatible with Europe and who have the most peaceful, democratic, egalitarian (in the good sense of the word), humane opinions also happen to be Northern Russian (Gudkov Sr & Jr, Navalny, Nevzorov, Gleb Pyanyh and others). They are just so benign and helpless, and they don't get much support from either side.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    imply that the minorities are more pro-war per se. But it is also a fact that some of the most rabid pro-war propagandists have been assimilated minorities.

    In my experience, of the forums A lot of ordinary people (i.e. not liberals) who oppose the government’s decisions of last decade, especially in Ukraine seem to have Tatar names.

    While in Russian mainstream, outside the center of the wealthy cities, it’s relatively more “patriotic”.

    Caucasian Muslims, if they can have opportunity to say openly, are probably not interested in death in Ukraine. About Tuvans, Buryats, etc, who can say. There isn’t much of reception of the views in their regions.

    Jen Psaki ever encourage elimination of a large neighboring population or did she ever propose hunger

    I’m not criticizing Psaki. If you remember, in 2014, Psaki was also like an attractive school teacher.

    In 2014, in Russia, people were obsessed with Psaki and believed she was the important person in America, who was deciding to support Ukraine.

    Partly, I guess, because Psaki has red hair and good looking. It generated the clicks in the Russian media. Everyone in Russian media seemed to enjoy the opportunity to post photos of Psaki and increase their traffic.

    But it creates incorrect interpretation. She was just spokesperson. She says, what her employer said. This is the same situation with most of the Russian media today. It’s not independent, but every day they are given the list of “themes” to talk about.

    Simonyan seems some baba-yaga from the collective nightmares, but probably she just improvises from the script controlled by the FSB. If the government changed, these workers would reverse opinions the next minute.

    Northern Russian (Gudkov Sr & Jr, Navalny, Nevzorov, Gleb Pyanyh and others). They are just so benign

    Well, Nevzorov is from Leningrad, as some of the better liberal media resources. But the most important clique in Russian history since around 1996, are also from Leningrad, often including dwarfs.

    In my opinion, this is the clique which creates the February 2022, against interest of many of the other elite groups in Russia.

    So, Russian politics is opaque for everyone except few powerful people. It’s possible there are all kind of conspiracy we don’t understand. But with limited evidence I could see, the superficial evidence seem like the Leningrad clique security people decide to invade Ukraine.

    liberal opposition is actually quite Northern

    Liberalism in Russia (which is a bit different than the West in the topics like immigration), was a kind of upper class ideology of younger people the last 20 years.

    It’s correlating a lot to education and income level. In terms of regionally, I’m not sure. Obviously, the middle class people in the important cities like Moscow and Petersburg.

    Ekaterinburg is famous as the “center of the liberals”, but actually a lot of “redneck politics” of the city.

    I guess Ekaterinburg could have more wide distribution of liberalism, to the working class which is unlike some other areas. Roizman was example of kind of “populist liberal”, i.e. he was anti-immigration liberal quite popular with the working class people.

    In terms of the nationality of the famous liberals. In the Echo of Moscow, they often liked to promote more minority liberals, although it could be Venediktov strategy to highlight the liberalism as anti-patriotic.

    I was never fan or listening often to Echo of Moscow. But people I remember from there, is kind of women who talk about how they are ethnic minorities. Felgenhauer (German roots), Shevardnadze (Georgian), Albats (Jewish roots), Orlova (Armenian roots), Latynina (Polish roots),

    Oh, those children in the video who are dressed up in Red Army uniforms, are singing a song with lyrics “The order is to march to the West!”. Very nice…

    It’s a negative situation not just compared to Soviet times, when usually memory of war was processed in more respectful and anti-glamorous way, but also compared to just 15 years ago.


    I feel Yahya has too many war films I recommended to watch, but there was a possible selection of Soviet films
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lnb1bI0VIk.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjIiApN6cfg.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Dmitry


    I feel Yahya has too many war films I recommended to watch, but there was a possible selection of Soviet films
     
    "Come and See" is very powerful. That and "They Fought For Their Country" are the two best Soviet war movies I've seen. I've seen a few others, including one made very shortly after the war (and in color) whose name I forget, none of which I thought I were very good. I haven't heard of the other one you linked to in this post.

    I think someone recently mentioned the German film "Stalingrad" (1993). That's another favorite. More recently, I liked the German miniseries "Generation War" (2013), which caught flack for presenting the Germans as complex human beings rather than evil incarnate as the times require.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @German_reader

  955. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    (Marija Leiko)
     
    Seems like she made a terrible blunder in moving to the USSR:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marija_Leiko

    Replies: @LatW

    She was a creative person so she did not have an ordinary life – she had a spouse and a child in Georgia, and she was visiting the child in Georgia. She was probably not fully aware of the severity of what was happening politically at the time (though she may have heard about it). She was known not just in Russia but also Germany.

  956. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Well, having Russian Chauvinism in places that are inhabited by Ukrainians is probably not a great idea.
     
    They couldn't be Russian Chauvinist even in Russia itself, much less so anywhere else.

    population that doesn’t fully support your ideology (which was definitely the case in Ukraine with regards to the Soviet Communism),
     
    Do not project the Baltic situation on the Ukrainian Soviet past. The level of support for communism in Eastern Ukraine was about the same as in the Russian parts of RSFSR. Neither higher, nor lower. Of course it was completely different in western Ukraine, which should have never been annexed to the USSR, that's the case of жадность фраера сгубила, Stalin bit more than he could chew, and then chew more than he could swallow.

    Without accommodating them even just a little and without allowing them into some decision making? You will simply alienate that population and will not be able to establish full control or at least agreement.
     
    Why do you think that they weren't accommodated? They accommodated everyone except the Russians. Russians had to be the good Vanya and accommodate everyone else. It is still the expectation in the FUSSR, although it has started to change for the obvious reasons.

    There was a vast dislike of the Russification policies that had been started in the late 19th century.
     
    Tell me more about the way they attempted to Russify the Ostsea Germans who were the masters of your lands back then and were also the most influential fraction of the Imperial bureaucracy and a substantial portion of the aristocracy overall. There was a reason general Yermolov famously said to the Czar : "Ваше Величество, прикажите произвести меня в Немцы". After all, the Czar himself spoke better German than Russian which he spoke with a typical German accent.

    And why wouldn’t the Ukrainian children be taught in Ukrainian language schools?
     
    Sure, they were thaught in Ukrainian schools, just like in the Baltics you were also thought in local language schools. For example, when I was in Tallinn in 1989 no Estonian went to a Soviet Russian school, they all went to Estonian school, the communities didn't live in the same neighborhoods, the kids from both communities were literally segregated, it was in fact an Apartheid with Estonians in charge of the local communist party and all streets named in Estonian only along the shops and everything else and it was still under Soviet rule (although it was nearing the end). And yeah, the level of comfort and affluence in Estonian parts of the town were higher than in Russophone neighborhoods and actually well higher than in Moscow. That's usually not the way the colonialism is supposed to work.

    Same as the Russian children who lived on исконно русские земли.
     
    Sure, what are these native Russian lands ? The communist were quite creative with the border drawing. For example, the Donbass Republic was initially included into the RSFSR, while Belgorod was part of Ukraine, but then they shaped both sides, or Crimea which was in RSFSR until Khrushev gave it to his beloved Ukraine. Or the entirety of Kazakhstan that has been included into RSFSR, but then made an independent state including ethnic Russian majority territories that the Kazakh never lived in great numbers prior to Russian Cossacks building their forts and villages there. And while these lands, that have been Russian for centuries were given away, Tuva which has never been Russian was included into RSFSR. Go figure what was going on in the Bolshevik megabrains.

    This is all moot anyway because Russification came back in full speed after the 1950s (plus the minorities had been purged in 1937
     
    Which minorities were purged? And do you think that Russians haven't been purged? I don't think there was an ethnic angle at play during the Great Purge.

    Tsar Alexander II had wanted
     
    Holstein-Gottorp Czar Alexander II, right? Germans tend to establish sometimes quite ambitious goals and try unsuccessfully to implement final solutions. To complex problems. Russians OTOH haven't managed to Russify completely the Mordvinians with whom they lived side by side for a thousand years. You really think that a Russian Czar, let's say Ivan the Dreadful, would have said "чухонцев и литвинов поганых в правосдавные русские люди перевести повеляю ?" Don't think so, he didn't even try that with the Tatar or the Cheremiss...

    And, of course, the Woke indoctrination in the West is awful as well, being rolled out with a great enthusiasm by a few, but far and wide. Funny how this ideology fits better with the early Soviet ideology vs the later stagnation period.
     
    Globalism is very similar to early Trotskyite communism on many levels. Probably it's in the blood of those who move the Overton window towards the NWO. They cannot act otherwise, it's instinctive. Same causes leading to same consequences. And they have an interesting sense of humor:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF

    🙂

    Replies: @AP, @LatW, @silviosilver

    Which minorities were purged? And do you think that Russians haven’t been purged? I don’t think there was an ethnic angle at play during the Great Purge.

    I think she was referring to the deportations (Tatars, Koreans, Poles etc) rather than “purges,” although she specified 1937, which probably made you think of the Great Purge.

    Go figure what was going on in the Bolshevik megabrains.

    It’s not supposed to make conventional sense.

    Stalin, from Walker Connor’s “The National Question in Marxist-Leninist Theory and Strategy”:

    It may seem strange that we, who are in favor of the fusion of national cultures in the future into one common culture (both in form and content), with a single, common language, are at the same time in favour of the blossoming of national cultures at the present time, in the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat….

    It may be said that, presented in this way, the question is “selfcontradictory.” But is there not the same sort of “self-contradiction” in our treatment of the question of the state? We are in favour of the withering away of the state, yet we are at the same time in favour of strengthening the dictatorship of the proletariat, which represents the most powerful and mighty of all forms of state power that have hitherto existed. The supreme develepment of the power of the state, with the object of preparing the way for the withering away of state power—such is the Marxist formula. Is that “self-contradictory’? Yes, it is “self-contradictory.” But this contradiction is a living thing, and it is a complete reflection of Marxian dialectics.

    The same must be said of the formula of national culture: the blossoming of national cultures (and languages) in the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat in one country, with the object of preparing the way for their dying away and fusion into a single, common, socialist culture (and a single, common language) in the period of victory of socialism all over the world.

    Whoever has failed to understand this peculiarity and this “selfcontradictory” nature of our transitional times, whoever has failed to understand this dialectical character of historical processes, is lost to Marxism.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @silviosilver

    Your quote is Pure Gold.

    Everyone should read it carefully and process it in depth.

    It makes perfect sense if one thinks in a dialectic materialistic manner and is aiming at building a NWO of a uniform kind. You first need to break great ethnic "ensembles" into smaller groups, you need to break these groups into smaller still, then you break these bits into the 666 gender or color or shape or IQ category or whatever really, so everyone is completely atomized, and finally you can impose uniformity on the whole lot of them, and build the New Historical Community (Novaya Istoricheskaya Obsshnost' = Noviop) according to your arbitrary rules and regulations. And in the end, when the technology is right, you can even pretend that there's no State at all, only the Market, the Information Highway & the Cloud & AI, the Smart Contract & Stakeholder Capitalism & ESG, the Jedi Force & Master Yoda & the Cosmic Feng Shui.

    It's simple, they just cannot think and act otherwise, they instinctively need trying to impose an end of history on an endless cyclical (or rather a very lengthy spiral) process. And when they finally manage to arrest the development, they want to be at the top of the pyramid and be the only ones who can see, analyze and mange the whole system.

    It's really that simple - we are ruled by functional sociopaths that dislike everything natural and non-linear in human beings and want everything to become a well oiled social machine with them as operators.

    They dislike the natural in human beings because they are themselves unnatural degenerate inbred bio-thrash that poses and parades as "high quality human capital".

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1238/6952/products/80ef60f81246567d75fbd526bf4ba588_large.jpeg

  957. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    "In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers."

    Is it proper for a Christian to write such demeaning nonsense about people, perhaps less fortunate than you, who have managed to raise their place in the world
     
    I worked as an office plankton once when I was an undergraduate student (knowing Excel was good enough). It was fairly useless work. Something involving spreadsheets. I did a good enough job that they wanted to keep me on and promote me as a "project manager" but I resumed my studies instead. I don't remember what my actual duties were anymore, despite indeed working and spending 8 hours a day there. I remember what I did in other jobs, such as at a restaurant as a teenager, or in a warehouse/factory (not to mention more professionally), but here it's vague. This reflects the relative uselessness of that type of work, I think.

    Honest and hard work should never be denigrated.
     
    Well, it is honest. Not particularly hard. One wakes up early and goes to work and spends 8 hours in an office 5 days a week. Attends meetings occasionally. Chats with coworkers on breaks and at lunch. It's a way to keep people honestly employed.

    There is a place for people who are bright enough to get a degree past high school but not bright (or motivated) enough to do much else such as engineering, finance, medicine, law, hard sciences, etc. I had a friend like that in university, partied a bit much so switched from engineering to business administration which was a lot easier and accommodating to his lifestyle. In America such people end up in cubicles, HR departments, etc. The USSR didn't have businesses to absorb such people so it mass produced pseudo-engineers instead.

    It's good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver

    Well, it is honest. Not particularly hard. One wakes up early and goes to work and spends 8 hours in an office 5 days a week. Attends meetings occasionally. Chats with coworkers on breaks and at lunch. It’s a way to keep people honestly employed…In America such people end up in cubicles, HR departments, etc…It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.

    You make it sound as if corporations within America employ people as some sort of social justice program. In the office that I work in, of approximately 60 people, 1-2- work in HR positions, 1-2 in marketing positions, one at the front desk, and about 7-8 as Investment Advisor assistants. Oh, there’s a compliance guy and an IT guy too. These assistants are paid directly by the Advisors, so if they’re not doing some sort of useful work they’d soon get the axe. I can imagine that in the whole office, perhaps 1-2 are involved in what could possibly be seen as “fluff work”. So, in my opinion, a lot of the plankton are necessary cogs in a much bigger wheel, and are paid by somebody who benefits directly from their output. Not everybody in the world can boast that due to their work the world is now safe from Covid or from cancer. Have a little empathy, AP. 🙂

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    You make it sound as if corporations within America employ people as some sort of social justice program.
     
    That's literally the case when it comes to Equity departments that many large corporations have.

    But in the cases I am talking about, there is certainly some inefficiency which is tolerated. If the company experiences some financial trouble they sacrifice those people. Typically the first and often second round of layoffs involves jettisoning the people who are semi-useful. Presumably they didn't "have" to work there in the first place. But I'm glad they did! And it's sad when they can no longer be supported. These are people who provide for their families.

    A little inefficiency is more humane, takes an edge off. When the entire system is in its essence inefficient (as in socialism) it is a problem, all of society is poor, but that's not the case with cubicle plankton in our system. Let them come in to work each day, rearranging spreadsheets and attending meetings. Some of what they do at work is useful some of the time, and more importantly they are people who live lives outside of work also, they need the income and feel productive, in order to live dignified lives.

    Have a little empathy
     
    I don't see realism as being opposed to empathy.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  958. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    Over here in the center of the new world order we were instructed that the apex of Soviet triumphalism was represented by Marx's quip (pooping on his master Hegel) the point is not to explain the world but to change it.

    A couple of years ago I read this which was entirely new to me and fascinating:

    https://www.amazon.com/Hegel-Hermetic-Tradition-Glenn-Alexander/dp/0801474507

    One item which stuck out is that Magee claimed if you scrape the entirety of Hegel's complete works you find twice as many references to Jakob Bohme than to Plato or Kant. I can't imagine what it would do to my more reliable neural paths if I were to read the complete works of Hegel.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    I read it too. A very interesting book, maybe even TRUE…..
    Which however suggests continuity of traditions (and not creation of truly new things), and more influence of secret societies than we usually think… More like the world from Umberto Eco’s ‘Foucault’s Pendulum”

    Entirely possible that the end point of Hegelian Spirit Unfolding process is Boehme’s Time of the Lilly…

  959. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Maybe the Finnic admixture does something positive for them?
     
    It's not just Finnic, but mostly Northern Slavic genes. The phenotype is not distinctly Finnic. But yea, they wear these knitted turtle necks and are totally peaceful and rational and very different from some of the very vocally violent individuals on the Russian propaganda channels.

    Maybe Russia’s future is to be ruled by humane Judeo-Finnic overlords lol?
     
    Very funny, lol. You know there is something to it.. I would have never thought of before. It's definitely not for everyone though. On a more serious note, they should not have any overlords. They should be free and focus on their own people. Maybe everyone should have some "Me time" (except the Intermarium peoples of course!). :)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    It’s not just Finnic, but mostly Northern Slavic genes. The phenotype is not distinctly Finnic. But yea, they wear these knitted turtle necks and are totally peaceful and rational and very different from some of the very vocally violent individuals on the Russian propaganda channels.

    Well, I mentioned Finnic genes because I know that Northern Slavs are essentially Finnic-Slavic hybrids, on average, in terms of their genetic ancestry.

    Very funny, lol. You know there is something to it.. I would have never thought of before. It’s definitely not for everyone though. On a more serious note, they should not have any overlords. They should be free and focus on their own people. Maybe everyone should have some “Me time” (except the Intermarium peoples of course!). 🙂

    Why shouldn’t the Intermarium peoples also get some “Me time”?

    As a side note, I like the Freedom of Russia Legion logo:

    I wish that if the Russian people will decisively lose this war, they will subsequently reject expansionist nationalism and instead become more pro-Western over the subsequent decades. Ilya Somin talked about how the popularity of ideologies is often determined by just how successful they are:

    https://reason.com/volokh/2023/02/24/a-conflict-between-liberal-democracy-and-authoritarian-nationalism-implications-of-a-broader-stake-in-the-russia-ukraine-war/

    It would be cool to see a more peaceful Russian nationalism emerge in place of the current one, though. An Amish-style Russian nationalism, if you will. Would be nice if they could also breed more, along with other the Intermarium peoples. And also maybe invite Israeli Jews to settle there in large numbers if Israel will ever join the EU and become severely overpopulated itself? In such a scenario, I hope and envision Russia itself eventually joining the EU as well. Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered, but they shouldn’t worry, since Germany, Japan, and Italy all contribute more to human progress (in terms of elite science production + R & D spending) relative to Russia in spite of their own prospects of being their own unique civilizational poles being decisively and permanently crushed decades ago (as a result of their loss in WWII, to be more specific).

    By the way, if a much more Woke future Russia will want more diversity, it should seriously consider engaging in (consensual) proselytization of the Russian Orthodox faith, primarily in the developing world. This could attract a sizable numbers of converts, I suspect. And then create a Law of Return for these converts similar to what Israel has for Jews, including for Jewish converts.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Why shouldn’t the Intermarium peoples also get some “Me time”?
     
    I meant they should have "Me time" just among themselves, without external interferences, when this is over.

    As a side note, I like the Freedom of Russia Legion logo

     

    I love the Legion, they're such valiant polar bears and even slightly humorous! And their symbols are awesome indeed, I love that combination of pristine white and azure, it conjures up everything I love about Russia. When the sun is shining on the ice or snow, it creates a beautiful deep blue aqua like color, it's such a beautiful color in the snow light color scheme, I have seen it on the Briksdal Glacier in Norway and I'm sure one can see it in many places in Russia. And the Legion wants to promote a kind of a Nordic democracy.

    Normally, I wouldn't approve of such radical steps that they've taken, but the attacks on Ukraine have been too intense. They have been in opposition to Putin for 15 years. When Westerners were trading and shaking hands with Putin, they were fighting him.

    I wish that if the Russian people will decisively lose this war, they will subsequently reject expansionist nationalism and instead become more pro-Western over the subsequent decades.
     
    I never thought that I could ever dream of them stopping being expansionist in my life time, until I saw the Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps. There is a little light of hope now and it is so incredible that I don't even dare dream. But I don't think that they should necessary become pro-Western in the sense that they would need anything from the West (or China), they should be completely independent, self-reliant and national democratic.

    There are 75 trillions of dollars worth of natural resources under their soil. They don't need anybody.

    It would be cool to see a more peaceful Russian nationalism emerge in place of the current one, though. An Amish-style Russian nationalism, if you will.
     
    Yea, like an Old Believer nationalism - but that's an oxymoron. But I know what you mean, I agree with that part.

    And also maybe invite Israeli Jews to settle there in large numbers if Israel will ever join the EU and become severely overpopulated itself
     
    Is there a risk that Israel could get overpopulated? Then maybe they should slow down their program or make the program more selective? Have you heard of Birobidzhan?

    Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered
     
    They can decide themselves what they want to do with their civilizational mission and how to maintain their own special, unique civilization, they don't need the EU.

    By the way, if a much more Woke future Russia will want more diversity, it should seriously consider engaging in (consensual) proselytization of the Russian Orthodox faith, primarily in the developing world.
     
    I think the Orthodox Church is not all that pushy that way and is used to operating in its traditional space (except those Old Believer settlements overseas but that's because they fled). But it's not a bad idea. It looks like some right wingers in the US want to convert to Orthodoxy.

    LOL, you have very creative ideas. Not sure they are all realistic though. :)

    Well, I mentioned Finnic genes because I know that Northern Slavs are essentially Finnic-Slavic hybrids, on average, in terms of their genetic ancestry.
     
    Well, they have their own phenotype.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/fd/4a/d6fd4a05d3f9c38e69eab450300650ef.jpg

    https://s-cdn.sportbox.ru/images/styles/upload/fp_fotos/ec/f0/Fiedor-Fiedorov-456456.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    , @The Big Red Scary
    @Mr. XYZ

    But is it good for the Jews, Mr. XYZ?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered, but they shouldn’t worry, since Germany, Japan, and Italy all contribute more to human progress
     
    Germany and Italy are caught in a death spiral, unless some miracle happens it's over for them. Neither country can be regarded as truly sovereign.
    Japan's prospects may be a bit better, but it's an open question whether it won't eventually succumb to the same fate as much of the West.
    I don't approve of Russia's actions in Ukraine, but this "Why can't Russia be a normal country? Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America's benevolent hegemony" is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Keypusher, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

  960. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Now, about korenizatsia, it was not done to placate minorities, but to weaken the Velikoross ethnic majority and prevent the emergence (or perhaps the resurgence) of the Great Russian Chauvinism.
     
    After reading your response, I think that we'll both have to admit that there's truth in both of our positions. Everything that I've read about korinizatsiya points to it being indeed a response to the nascent and powerful evolution of Ukrainian nationalism in Ukraine. I've also read that it was thought of a as way to curb the resurgence of Great Russian chauvinism. In Ukraine's case, both of these currents were really the opposite sides of the same coin.

    https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/3/d/3dd7fbd-2.jpg
    These demonstrations in Kyiv in 1917 in favor of Ukrainian independence, represent the mood and feelings of Ukrainians that the Bolsheviks were to encounter in 1921. As our friend AP has pointed out numerous times, political parties that were popular in Russia, were not so in Ukraine during those turbulent times.

    Yet you were also discussing the supposed coloniser/colonist relationship between Russia and Ukraine (although I don't think that I ever brought this sort of thing up?). You failed to address an important question that I had posed to you:


    If a country’s major political, economic, cultural, language and religious policies are all closely monitored and approved or disapproved in a neighboring country’s capital city, what would be a more accurate way to describe their relationship than colonizer/colonized?

     

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Interesting question for you, Hackster: Had Russia avoided the Bolshevik coup in 1917 and instead limped on in WWI up to the very end, just how grateful do you think that Ukrainians would have been to Russians for shedding an extraordinarily massive amount of their blood so that Galicia could be unified together with the rest of Ukraine in a free and democratic federal Russia, very possibly led by the Socialist Revolutionary Party?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    Are you suggesting that somehow at the end of WWI, if Russia had wrested away Eastern Galicia from Poland, would Ukrainians be grateful? I never thought about that. I don't think that Russia in whatever form that it found itself in at the end of WWI would do something like that, it already had enough on its plate to deal with, especially to help solidify Ukrainian statehood. We can see what happened about 20 years later after WWII. It would probably would have had a similar outcome then as it did after WWII. Why do you ask?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  961. @QCIC
    @LatW

    I don't get your meaning. Are you saying the kids are being indoctrinated to kill their neighbors?

    For children this young, how much difference is there between instilling a willingness to protect your family as opposed to developing an impulse to defend against your neighbors?

    I am asking. I have wondered how morality was taught in an atheist USSR/Russia. On the other hand, I wonder if it is taught at all in the contemporary West.

    Replies: @LatW

    I don’t get your meaning. Are you saying the kids are being indoctrinated to kill their neighbors?

    I’m not sure it’s worth my time to jump over hoops to try to explain to you what I see and to belabor my point – whenever I’ve spoken to you, you have seemed very rigid in your outlook, really set in your ways and it sounds like you’ve already made up your mind about people like me. I’m not sure it’s worth it for me to bend over backwards to provide the cultural, regional and linguistic context here, knowing that it won’t be accepted or even heard anyway.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    That's fine, but you should know this was a simple question to clarify your meaning and not a challenge. Probably due to a failing on my part not recognizing what you meant. The video of the children is moving and involves important questions of world view and raises the question of how to help the next generation find its way. If I mistook your meaning to be the opposite of what you intended, that mistake on my part would make the dialog pointless and frustrating for both of us, not to mention other readers.

    I think similar misunderstandings between us happened before. Is this important? I don't know. I think there is an intrinsic attraction to these online dialogs across different languages and cultures, but the discussions related to the strife in Ukraine are understandably extremely polarizing. I have a slight knowledge of German, Latin and Spanish but I marvel at those of you with different native tongues who can write better English than most Americans, which sadly includes me.

  962. S says:

    The subject of Prigozhin has been put on ice (for the moment) and it’s back to UFO hysteria. They are now reporting heavily on a nearly six week old event in Las Vegas where a family reported aliens in their backyard after a shooting star was seen.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/crashed-las-vegas-ufo-witness-174735392.html

    While I believe there probably is other life outside of our solar system, I am quite leery (due to the context) of the present day claims of ET visitation.

    In this regard, people might recall a 1963 episode of the Outer Limits where a group of progressive scientists, for everyone else’s own good (naturally!), fake an alien invasion of the Earth in an attempt to bring about world peace.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Architects_of_Fear

    Ultimately their plan fails spectacularly and people are hurt. The viewer is then admonished that honesty in life really is the best policy.

    Indeed!

    ‘This man-made monster!’

    ‘Men like you using tricks..’

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @S

    The top brass in the Russian Military have put that kike in a box. Big Mouthed fucking grandstander.

  963. Does anyone else find it strange that Evangelical Christians are dramatically more invested in the whole Gog and Magog prophecy than the Jews are?

    Like, we have everything lining up just like the Bible predicts: Russia forms an alliance with Iran that goes into conflict with the Western world. Then Russia/Iran bring on Turkey, Sudan and Libya as junior partners. To mention Sudan and Libya is amazing because who could possible have predicted that such backwaters would end up as flashpoints in the conflict between Russia and the West (both countries are currently engaged in civil wars that will end with them being ruled by Russia aligned regimes)?

    On top of this, we have prophesies from many Hasidic/Litvak masters that Russia would link up with Iran to invade Israel. One thing that always confused me about these prophesies was that they usually included the process beginning with a Russian invasion of Turkey. Here is what I think happened: the rabbis were seeing the Russian entry into Syria and the invasion of Ukraine and they were confused because they came from a time/place where they would have had no concept of Ukraine (which the Jews at that time simply called “Little Russia”; hell, my own grandfather always described his Kiev born parents as being from “Russia”) as a separate country from Russia. Furthermore, the rabbis would have thought of Syria as part of the Ottoman Empire, not an independent state, so they ended up conflating a bunch of different events together in a mixed up fashion. In reality, the biblical prophecy calls for Russia to take Turkey on as an ally, not a subject.

    We have at least one rabbinic prophecy from the 1920’s that the War of Gog and Magog would include a direct clash between China and the United States, a prediction that would have seemed totally insane in the 1920’s but almost looks inevitable now.

    And yet, no Jews (except me) seem interested at all. If you want to find information about Gog and Magog you pretty much have to go to Evangelical Christian sources. I was able to find one Jewish source that discussed it but it basically just said, “yeah, everything matches the prophecies but whatever”.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    Interested? For fucks sake the Jews are teeing up the ball for the war.

  964. @LatW
    @silviosilver

    The normal way to go about that is the Youth Guard which starts at age 10 (earliest), ideally no sooner than age 12. Instilling patriotism is good, but not indoctrinating kids to grow up to want to kill their neighbors by default (as is the case with those kids in the video).

    Replies: @QCIC, @silviosilver

    Instilling patriotism is good, but not indoctrinating kids to grow up to want to kill their neighbors by default (as is the case with those kids in the video).

    I didn’t watch the video. Although I replied to Bash’s post, I was actually responding to Dmitry’s claim that parents who dress their kids in uniforms are unfit for parenthood (a post which Bash hit “AGREE” on).

    I don’t think it’s difficult to maintain a distinction between instilling an awareness of (and pride and respect for) the necessity of armed defence and instilling a hatred of neighbors. The former is quite compatible with teaching respect for, and even appreciation of, neighboring peoples.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @silviosilver

    When I was a kid we often played at being at war with some other group of kids. Plastic machine guns, plastic or metallic pistols, water guns when in summer (actually self made guns equivalent made of plastic bottles - брызгалки), snowballs in winter. It's normal and healthy. Then as I grew up, we started playing harder, using slingshots and self-made pneumatic guns (духовушки). These shot small screws or small ball bearing balls propelled by the air pushing a small lump of playdoh. It was dangerous, it could seriously hurt someone, perhaps poke out an eye. We used to shoot it at the road signs and the thick glass made bus stops, but we also shot it at the kids from the ennemy gang. Once one of our kids got seriously wounded, it took a couple of weeks to heal. By the second half of my teenage years, some neighborhood kids got involved with local gangs (конторы/бригады). It was a time when the Lubertsy (a Moscow suburb) gangs were wreaking havoc not only in Moscow but even as far as Tallinn and Saint-Petersburg. The older teenage kids fought with chains and rebar, the fashion was to wear a Soviet army belt with a heavy metallic buckle, it could be used to hit someone if attacked. It was also the time when Punks and Metalheads appeared in USSR, and they also used to fight each other. It was actually really a violent atmosphere, you could be beat up because you were from the "wrong " neighborhood or just because you were wearing a heavy metal band t-shirt or a punk band t-shirt or because you weren't wearing one of these and were dressed in an average outfit. And it was okay, it was pure adrenaline and testosterone, but it was genuine grassroots teenage fashion. It was not linked with state ideology or some historical grievances. Boys be boys and kids be kids, but we should keep them away from any ideological indoctrination.

    Replies: @S

  965. @LatW
    @QCIC


    I don’t get your meaning. Are you saying the kids are being indoctrinated to kill their neighbors?
     
    I'm not sure it's worth my time to jump over hoops to try to explain to you what I see and to belabor my point - whenever I've spoken to you, you have seemed very rigid in your outlook, really set in your ways and it sounds like you've already made up your mind about people like me. I'm not sure it's worth it for me to bend over backwards to provide the cultural, regional and linguistic context here, knowing that it won't be accepted or even heard anyway.

    Replies: @QCIC

    That’s fine, but you should know this was a simple question to clarify your meaning and not a challenge. Probably due to a failing on my part not recognizing what you meant. The video of the children is moving and involves important questions of world view and raises the question of how to help the next generation find its way. If I mistook your meaning to be the opposite of what you intended, that mistake on my part would make the dialog pointless and frustrating for both of us, not to mention other readers.

    I think similar misunderstandings between us happened before. Is this important? I don’t know. I think there is an intrinsic attraction to these online dialogs across different languages and cultures, but the discussions related to the strife in Ukraine are understandably extremely polarizing. I have a slight knowledge of German, Latin and Spanish but I marvel at those of you with different native tongues who can write better English than most Americans, which sadly includes me.

  966. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    "In a capitalist system these types would get an associates degree in business administration and work as fairly useless cubicle plankton. In the USSR they became engineers."

    Is it proper for a Christian to write such demeaning nonsense about people, perhaps less fortunate than you, who have managed to raise their place in the world
     
    I worked as an office plankton once when I was an undergraduate student (knowing Excel was good enough). It was fairly useless work. Something involving spreadsheets. I did a good enough job that they wanted to keep me on and promote me as a "project manager" but I resumed my studies instead. I don't remember what my actual duties were anymore, despite indeed working and spending 8 hours a day there. I remember what I did in other jobs, such as at a restaurant as a teenager, or in a warehouse/factory (not to mention more professionally), but here it's vague. This reflects the relative uselessness of that type of work, I think.

    Honest and hard work should never be denigrated.
     
    Well, it is honest. Not particularly hard. One wakes up early and goes to work and spends 8 hours in an office 5 days a week. Attends meetings occasionally. Chats with coworkers on breaks and at lunch. It's a way to keep people honestly employed.

    There is a place for people who are bright enough to get a degree past high school but not bright (or motivated) enough to do much else such as engineering, finance, medicine, law, hard sciences, etc. I had a friend like that in university, partied a bit much so switched from engineering to business administration which was a lot easier and accommodating to his lifestyle. In America such people end up in cubicles, HR departments, etc. The USSR didn't have businesses to absorb such people so it mass produced pseudo-engineers instead.

    It's good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver

    I worked as an office plankton once when I was an undergraduate student (knowing Excel was good enough). It was fairly useless work.

    For someone who routinely extols the virtues of the market economy over communism, you seem to have a bizarre understanding of its operation. If a private enterprise hires you to carry out some task, the working assumption (at least) ought to be that your employer perceives it as useful – else why in the world would they hire you to do it? That isn’t to say it’s actually useful. Employers aren’t omniscient. Bad business decisions which waste time and resources are very common. In the long run, however, occasionally getting it wrong is a necessary part of getting it right. And it’s supremely doubtful that you, when you were doing that work, were in any position to know whether the business was getting it wrong or right.

    It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.

    What a ludicrously high opinion you have of yourself. It’s actually quite amusing that you seem blithely unaware of how poorly it comes off. For all its many faults, one of the best things about an egalitarian society is the ability to dismiss and candidly smirk at the vainglory of self-appointed social superiors. (Imagine a world in which social forces demanded we indulge their conceits – eeuuww!)

    • Replies: @AP
    @silviosilver


    For someone who routinely extols the virtues of the market economy over communism, you seem to have a bizarre understanding of its operation. If a private enterprise hires you to carry out some task, the working assumption (at least) ought to be that your employer perceives it as useful – else why in the world would they hire you to do it?
     
    Any system is inherently inefficient, and total efficiency is not ideal anyways. The market economy overall is far more efficient than was the commie word's economy, which is why materially life is far better in market economies. But within the context of the market economy, a little bit of "fat" is a good thing, a humane touch. I described the "office plankton" as semi useful, not totally useless (totally useless would be the DEI departments that many corporations now have - though I guess they are "useful" for marketing purposes by signaling to consumers that the company is progressive). Note that I never complained that they exist, I merely pointed out their existence. There is a place in society for such people.

    Employers aren’t omniscient. Bad business decisions which waste time and resources are very common
     
    Indeed. There are a lot of semi-useful people and positions in a market economy. Didn't Musk get rid of something like half of Twitter's staff, without much noticeable difference?

    And it’s supremely doubtful that you, when you were doing that work, were in any position to know whether the business was getting it wrong or right.
     
    When there is an economic slowdown or some such thing, many companies suddenly find that 10% or 30% of their workforce is expendable.

    That doesn't mean that every company ought to be cut throat all the time. These people have families, etc. There would be instability if every company was run with ruthless efficiency. It would also be immoral.

    "It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that."

    What a ludicrously high opinion you have of yourself
     
    Was what I said wrong? And where did I mention myself as being better or something? I don't measure worth that way. I was born with certain abilities (through no effort of my own, its genetic) that I leveraged into an advanced degree in a more lucrative field, choosing a specialty that enabled me not to work too hard either. Does that make me a better person than the one born without such gifts and who as a result must earn a living doing spreadsheets?

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    , @Gerard1234
    @silviosilver

    You have taken the bait of this worthless scumbag. Quite naive.

    Basically through his stupid writings I exposed that quite clearly he is no medic, despite his fantasist claims. To try and deflect from this blow he, amusingly in a way that is like being "attacked" physically by Stephen Hawking and attacked verbally by Vitaly Klitschko......he tried to nonsensically write mind-numbing disinformation about Civil Engineers when I mentioned I was one. Amusing in that he clearly invented his claims the moment I wrote them ( probably recycling from other retarded comments he has tried to do on others for his other disinformation attempts)....and he did it in a way that suggest he doesn't even know what a civil engineer is.


    That was before, then of course this freak started writing engineering-illiterate nonsense about the dam............hence this retards latest insidious nonsense.......of course not supported by anyone, because its an amusing and ridiculous lie. Its essentially that you are replying to.

  967. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    Interesting question for you, Hackster: Had Russia avoided the Bolshevik coup in 1917 and instead limped on in WWI up to the very end, just how grateful do you think that Ukrainians would have been to Russians for shedding an extraordinarily massive amount of their blood so that Galicia could be unified together with the rest of Ukraine in a free and democratic federal Russia, very possibly led by the Socialist Revolutionary Party?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Are you suggesting that somehow at the end of WWI, if Russia had wrested away Eastern Galicia from Poland, would Ukrainians be grateful? I never thought about that. I don’t think that Russia in whatever form that it found itself in at the end of WWI would do something like that, it already had enough on its plate to deal with, especially to help solidify Ukrainian statehood. We can see what happened about 20 years later after WWII. It would probably would have had a similar outcome then as it did after WWII. Why do you ask?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    Hackster, I have now replied to you at the very start of the new open thread.

    BTW, you don't mind it if I call you Hackster, right?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  968. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    It’s not just Finnic, but mostly Northern Slavic genes. The phenotype is not distinctly Finnic. But yea, they wear these knitted turtle necks and are totally peaceful and rational and very different from some of the very vocally violent individuals on the Russian propaganda channels.
     
    Well, I mentioned Finnic genes because I know that Northern Slavs are essentially Finnic-Slavic hybrids, on average, in terms of their genetic ancestry.

    Very funny, lol. You know there is something to it.. I would have never thought of before. It’s definitely not for everyone though. On a more serious note, they should not have any overlords. They should be free and focus on their own people. Maybe everyone should have some “Me time” (except the Intermarium peoples of course!). 🙂
     
    Why shouldn't the Intermarium peoples also get some "Me time"?

    As a side note, I like the Freedom of Russia Legion logo:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Patch_of_the_Ukrainian_Free_Russian_Legion.svg/800px-Patch_of_the_Ukrainian_Free_Russian_Legion.svg.png

    I wish that if the Russian people will decisively lose this war, they will subsequently reject expansionist nationalism and instead become more pro-Western over the subsequent decades. Ilya Somin talked about how the popularity of ideologies is often determined by just how successful they are:

    https://reason.com/volokh/2023/02/24/a-conflict-between-liberal-democracy-and-authoritarian-nationalism-implications-of-a-broader-stake-in-the-russia-ukraine-war/

    It would be cool to see a more peaceful Russian nationalism emerge in place of the current one, though. An Amish-style Russian nationalism, if you will. Would be nice if they could also breed more, along with other the Intermarium peoples. And also maybe invite Israeli Jews to settle there in large numbers if Israel will ever join the EU and become severely overpopulated itself? In such a scenario, I hope and envision Russia itself eventually joining the EU as well. Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered, but they shouldn't worry, since Germany, Japan, and Italy all contribute more to human progress (in terms of elite science production + R & D spending) relative to Russia in spite of their own prospects of being their own unique civilizational poles being decisively and permanently crushed decades ago (as a result of their loss in WWII, to be more specific).

    By the way, if a much more Woke future Russia will want more diversity, it should seriously consider engaging in (consensual) proselytization of the Russian Orthodox faith, primarily in the developing world. This could attract a sizable numbers of converts, I suspect. And then create a Law of Return for these converts similar to what Israel has for Jews, including for Jewish converts.

    Replies: @LatW, @The Big Red Scary, @German_reader

    Why shouldn’t the Intermarium peoples also get some “Me time”?

    I meant they should have “Me time” just among themselves, without external interferences, when this is over.

    [MORE]

    As a side note, I like the Freedom of Russia Legion logo

    I love the Legion, they’re such valiant polar bears and even slightly humorous! And their symbols are awesome indeed, I love that combination of pristine white and azure, it conjures up everything I love about Russia. When the sun is shining on the ice or snow, it creates a beautiful deep blue aqua like color, it’s such a beautiful color in the snow light color scheme, I have seen it on the Briksdal Glacier in Norway and I’m sure one can see it in many places in Russia. And the Legion wants to promote a kind of a Nordic democracy.

    Normally, I wouldn’t approve of such radical steps that they’ve taken, but the attacks on Ukraine have been too intense. They have been in opposition to Putin for 15 years. When Westerners were trading and shaking hands with Putin, they were fighting him.

    I wish that if the Russian people will decisively lose this war, they will subsequently reject expansionist nationalism and instead become more pro-Western over the subsequent decades.

    I never thought that I could ever dream of them stopping being expansionist in my life time, until I saw the Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps. There is a little light of hope now and it is so incredible that I don’t even dare dream. But I don’t think that they should necessary become pro-Western in the sense that they would need anything from the West (or China), they should be completely independent, self-reliant and national democratic.

    There are 75 trillions of dollars worth of natural resources under their soil. They don’t need anybody.

    It would be cool to see a more peaceful Russian nationalism emerge in place of the current one, though. An Amish-style Russian nationalism, if you will.

    Yea, like an Old Believer nationalism – but that’s an oxymoron. But I know what you mean, I agree with that part.

    And also maybe invite Israeli Jews to settle there in large numbers if Israel will ever join the EU and become severely overpopulated itself

    Is there a risk that Israel could get overpopulated? Then maybe they should slow down their program or make the program more selective? Have you heard of Birobidzhan?

    Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered

    They can decide themselves what they want to do with their civilizational mission and how to maintain their own special, unique civilization, they don’t need the EU.

    By the way, if a much more Woke future Russia will want more diversity, it should seriously consider engaging in (consensual) proselytization of the Russian Orthodox faith, primarily in the developing world.

    I think the Orthodox Church is not all that pushy that way and is used to operating in its traditional space (except those Old Believer settlements overseas but that’s because they fled). But it’s not a bad idea. It looks like some right wingers in the US want to convert to Orthodoxy.

    LOL, you have very creative ideas. Not sure they are all realistic though. 🙂

    Well, I mentioned Finnic genes because I know that Northern Slavs are essentially Finnic-Slavic hybrids, on average, in terms of their genetic ancestry.

    Well, they have their own phenotype.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    I meant they should have “Me time” just among themselves, without external interferences, when this is over.
     
    That makes sense.

    I love the Legion, they’re such valiant polar bears and even slightly humorous! And their symbols are awesome indeed, I love that combination of pristine white and azure, it conjures up everything I love about Russia. When the sun is shining on the ice or snow, it creates a beautiful deep blue aqua like color, it’s such a beautiful color in the snow light color scheme, I have seen it on the Briksdal Glacier in Norway and I’m sure one can see it in many places in Russia. And the Legion wants to promote a kind of a Nordic democracy.

    Normally, I wouldn’t approve of such radical steps that they’ve taken, but the attacks on Ukraine have been too intense. They have been in opposition to Putin for 15 years. When Westerners were trading and shaking hands with Putin, they were fighting him.
     
    My own concerns with the risk of attacking Belgorod Oblast have to do with the risk of escalation.

    Agreed with your analysis of the Legion's symbols. They're great! :)

    I never thought that I could ever dream of them stopping being expansionist in my life time, until I saw the Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps. There is a little light of hope now and it is so incredible that I don’t even dare dream. But I don’t think that they should necessary become pro-Western in the sense that they would need anything from the West (or China), they should be completely independent, self-reliant and national democratic.

    There are 75 trillions of dollars worth of natural resources under their soil. They don’t need anybody.
     
    They need more people to have stronger economies of scale, though. They can aim to achieve this goal by breeding much more like Israeli Jews are already currently doing (they, unlike Israeli Jews, actually have the necessary space for this), or they can achieve this by joining the EU. Resources aren't enough; one also needs a lot of people, especially smart people, in order to become a prominent force. And within the EU, they would have a decent amount of say due to their large size.

    Yea, like an Old Believer nationalism – but that’s an oxymoron. But I know what you mean, I agree with that part.
     
    Yeah, a Russia that breeds a lot (non-dysgenically) and that is peaceful would be absolutely great! :)

    Is there a risk that Israel could get overpopulated? Then maybe they should slow down their program or make the program more selective? Have you heard of Birobidzhan?
     
    Israel doesn't get all that much immigration nowadays, with the exception of the recent mini-wave as a result of the current Ukraine war. As for curbing Israeli fertility, some Israeli left-wingers might advocate for this. Alon Tal, for instance:

    https://in.bgu.ac.il/en/Pages/news/land-full.aspx

    And Yes, I know about the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. This is extraordinarily far-fetched, but if there will ever be an opportunity for Israel to purchase the JAO, it should certainly do so. This should give Israel power projection in the Asia-Pacific region, additional space for its rapid population growth, easy access to Chinese food for Christmas, et cetera.

    They can decide themselves what they want to do with their civilizational mission and how to maintain their own special, unique civilization, they don’t need the EU.
     
    The EU would allow them to become a part of a bloc with many more people, though.

    I think the Orthodox Church is not all that pushy that way and is used to operating in its traditional space (except those Old Believer settlements overseas but that’s because they fled). But it’s not a bad idea. It looks like some right wingers in the US want to convert to Orthodoxy.

    LOL, you have very creative ideas. Not sure they are all realistic though. 🙂
     
    I know that Rod Dreher among US/Western conservatives converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. Who else?

    And what's wrong with spreading the Eastern (Russian) Orthodox message to more people?

    Well, they have their own phenotype.
     
    Yeah, possibly.

    Replies: @LatW, @Dmitry

    , @Dmitry
    @LatW


    the Legion, they’re
     
    It's not clear who is responsible, but it's possible in these border trollings, they are killing conscripts inside Russia (inside Belgorod region).

    What kind of future they have in Russia, unless the country would destabilize. The history of killing conscripted youth inside Russia.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q14weCS8QI

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  969. @German_reader
    @The Big Red Scary

    Presumably it would start with use of tactical nukes in Ukraine and a NATO reaction to that. I can't imagine Ukraine would get away mostly unscathed, there would at least be a couple of spare missiles for its cities.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary

    Use of tactical nukes in Ukraine is the beginning of one path to nuclear war, but I don’t think among the more likely ones.

    Very likely there will still be major mistakes and disasters for Russia at the front, because the army is a rusty organization run by midwits, but the Russian government can evidently maintain the current level of war in Ukraine indefinitely The weapons factories where I live have tripled in size and are constantly recruiting all types of workers. Big money and advertising efforts are being put into military recruitment.

    And contrary to the rather amusing caricatures you read about Wagner in GAE media, for Russian proles Wagner and the other PMCs (there are many) are simply the coolest thing ever and pay really well too. All over the place you see prole mobiles plastered with Wagner stickers. The muzhiki are on the war path.

    Anyhow, you don’t drop tactical nukes on a band of terrorists who have occupied your provincial capitals. You hit them with cruise missiles when you decide the time is right. So far Russia has been reluctant to hit even localized “decision making centers” in Kiev, let alone to bomb entire cities.

    Ukraine as such is just one small aspect of what this war is about. A more likely path, I think, is some standoff with NATO about either the Aegis missile bases (one of the main strategic issues that Russia is demanding be resolved) or a blockade of the Black or Baltic seas. We aren’t there yet, though.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @The Big Red Scary


    So far Russia has been reluctant to hit even localized “decision making centers” in Kiev, let alone to bomb entire cities.
     
    It's not clear to me whether this is primarily because of a political decision for restraint (your interpretation) or because Russia wouldn't be able to wage such a campaign anyway (the interpretation of Western media). The Russian air force can't operate freely over Ukraine under present conditions, and missiles might not be plentiful and accurate enough to achieve such goals. But I admit I don't know what's correct.

    or a blockade of the Black or Baltic seas.
     
    Those would be major escalations by NATO. In case of the Black Sea it would also depend on cooperation by Turkey, which I don't really see forthcoming. Maybe not impossible, but I don't regard it as that likely a scenario for now. What would such a blockade even entail? Stopping and confiscating all vessels going to and from Russia? Would lead to enormous complications with Global South countries and also all but ensure massive Chinese support for Russia.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary

  970. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    It’s not just Finnic, but mostly Northern Slavic genes. The phenotype is not distinctly Finnic. But yea, they wear these knitted turtle necks and are totally peaceful and rational and very different from some of the very vocally violent individuals on the Russian propaganda channels.
     
    Well, I mentioned Finnic genes because I know that Northern Slavs are essentially Finnic-Slavic hybrids, on average, in terms of their genetic ancestry.

    Very funny, lol. You know there is something to it.. I would have never thought of before. It’s definitely not for everyone though. On a more serious note, they should not have any overlords. They should be free and focus on their own people. Maybe everyone should have some “Me time” (except the Intermarium peoples of course!). 🙂
     
    Why shouldn't the Intermarium peoples also get some "Me time"?

    As a side note, I like the Freedom of Russia Legion logo:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Patch_of_the_Ukrainian_Free_Russian_Legion.svg/800px-Patch_of_the_Ukrainian_Free_Russian_Legion.svg.png

    I wish that if the Russian people will decisively lose this war, they will subsequently reject expansionist nationalism and instead become more pro-Western over the subsequent decades. Ilya Somin talked about how the popularity of ideologies is often determined by just how successful they are:

    https://reason.com/volokh/2023/02/24/a-conflict-between-liberal-democracy-and-authoritarian-nationalism-implications-of-a-broader-stake-in-the-russia-ukraine-war/

    It would be cool to see a more peaceful Russian nationalism emerge in place of the current one, though. An Amish-style Russian nationalism, if you will. Would be nice if they could also breed more, along with other the Intermarium peoples. And also maybe invite Israeli Jews to settle there in large numbers if Israel will ever join the EU and become severely overpopulated itself? In such a scenario, I hope and envision Russia itself eventually joining the EU as well. Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered, but they shouldn't worry, since Germany, Japan, and Italy all contribute more to human progress (in terms of elite science production + R & D spending) relative to Russia in spite of their own prospects of being their own unique civilizational poles being decisively and permanently crushed decades ago (as a result of their loss in WWII, to be more specific).

    By the way, if a much more Woke future Russia will want more diversity, it should seriously consider engaging in (consensual) proselytization of the Russian Orthodox faith, primarily in the developing world. This could attract a sizable numbers of converts, I suspect. And then create a Law of Return for these converts similar to what Israel has for Jews, including for Jewish converts.

    Replies: @LatW, @The Big Red Scary, @German_reader

    But is it good for the Jews, Mr. XYZ?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @The Big Red Scary

    What's good for the Jews? Having a larger Jewish Diaspora? Why not?

  971. German_reader says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    @German_reader

    Use of tactical nukes in Ukraine is the beginning of one path to nuclear war, but I don't think among the more likely ones.

    Very likely there will still be major mistakes and disasters for Russia at the front, because the army is a rusty organization run by midwits, but the Russian government can evidently maintain the current level of war in Ukraine indefinitely The weapons factories where I live have tripled in size and are constantly recruiting all types of workers. Big money and advertising efforts are being put into military recruitment.

    And contrary to the rather amusing caricatures you read about Wagner in GAE media, for Russian proles Wagner and the other PMCs (there are many) are simply the coolest thing ever and pay really well too. All over the place you see prole mobiles plastered with Wagner stickers. The muzhiki are on the war path.

    Anyhow, you don't drop tactical nukes on a band of terrorists who have occupied your provincial capitals. You hit them with cruise missiles when you decide the time is right. So far Russia has been reluctant to hit even localized "decision making centers" in Kiev, let alone to bomb entire cities.

    Ukraine as such is just one small aspect of what this war is about. A more likely path, I think, is some standoff with NATO about either the Aegis missile bases (one of the main strategic issues that Russia is demanding be resolved) or a blockade of the Black or Baltic seas. We aren't there yet, though.

    Replies: @German_reader

    So far Russia has been reluctant to hit even localized “decision making centers” in Kiev, let alone to bomb entire cities.

    It’s not clear to me whether this is primarily because of a political decision for restraint (your interpretation) or because Russia wouldn’t be able to wage such a campaign anyway (the interpretation of Western media). The Russian air force can’t operate freely over Ukraine under present conditions, and missiles might not be plentiful and accurate enough to achieve such goals. But I admit I don’t know what’s correct.

    or a blockade of the Black or Baltic seas.

    Those would be major escalations by NATO. In case of the Black Sea it would also depend on cooperation by Turkey, which I don’t really see forthcoming. Maybe not impossible, but I don’t regard it as that likely a scenario for now. What would such a blockade even entail? Stopping and confiscating all vessels going to and from Russia? Would lead to enormous complications with Global South countries and also all but ensure massive Chinese support for Russia.

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    @German_reader


    It’s not clear to me whether this is primarily because of a political decision for restraint (your interpretation) or because Russia wouldn’t be able to wage such a campaign anyway (the interpretation of Western media).
     
    It doesn't take use of the air force, just of the cruise missiles, and they've shown they can do it when they choose to. For example, they regularly successfully hit gatherings of senior military officers, and they recently hit the Main Directorate of Intelligence in Kiev, which is evidently the proximate cause of Budanov's recent tantrum.

    The air force is probably not being used because apparently Soviet air defense works pretty well when operated by Slavs rather than Arabs, and now there has been some replacement with Western air defense. But the system seems very fragile, and Russia is in no hurry, because time is on its side. As I said, I would have gone full Ivan Grozny a long time ago, not least because I think that would ultimately be more merciful, but Putin is no Ivan Grozny.

    Those would be major escalations by NATO... Maybe not impossible, but I don’t regard it as that likely a scenario for now.
     
    I agree. We aren't there yet, but there were similar situations during the Cold War.

    Replies: @AP

  972. German_reader says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    It’s not just Finnic, but mostly Northern Slavic genes. The phenotype is not distinctly Finnic. But yea, they wear these knitted turtle necks and are totally peaceful and rational and very different from some of the very vocally violent individuals on the Russian propaganda channels.
     
    Well, I mentioned Finnic genes because I know that Northern Slavs are essentially Finnic-Slavic hybrids, on average, in terms of their genetic ancestry.

    Very funny, lol. You know there is something to it.. I would have never thought of before. It’s definitely not for everyone though. On a more serious note, they should not have any overlords. They should be free and focus on their own people. Maybe everyone should have some “Me time” (except the Intermarium peoples of course!). 🙂
     
    Why shouldn't the Intermarium peoples also get some "Me time"?

    As a side note, I like the Freedom of Russia Legion logo:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Patch_of_the_Ukrainian_Free_Russian_Legion.svg/800px-Patch_of_the_Ukrainian_Free_Russian_Legion.svg.png

    I wish that if the Russian people will decisively lose this war, they will subsequently reject expansionist nationalism and instead become more pro-Western over the subsequent decades. Ilya Somin talked about how the popularity of ideologies is often determined by just how successful they are:

    https://reason.com/volokh/2023/02/24/a-conflict-between-liberal-democracy-and-authoritarian-nationalism-implications-of-a-broader-stake-in-the-russia-ukraine-war/

    It would be cool to see a more peaceful Russian nationalism emerge in place of the current one, though. An Amish-style Russian nationalism, if you will. Would be nice if they could also breed more, along with other the Intermarium peoples. And also maybe invite Israeli Jews to settle there in large numbers if Israel will ever join the EU and become severely overpopulated itself? In such a scenario, I hope and envision Russia itself eventually joining the EU as well. Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered, but they shouldn't worry, since Germany, Japan, and Italy all contribute more to human progress (in terms of elite science production + R & D spending) relative to Russia in spite of their own prospects of being their own unique civilizational poles being decisively and permanently crushed decades ago (as a result of their loss in WWII, to be more specific).

    By the way, if a much more Woke future Russia will want more diversity, it should seriously consider engaging in (consensual) proselytization of the Russian Orthodox faith, primarily in the developing world. This could attract a sizable numbers of converts, I suspect. And then create a Law of Return for these converts similar to what Israel has for Jews, including for Jewish converts.

    Replies: @LatW, @The Big Red Scary, @German_reader

    Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered, but they shouldn’t worry, since Germany, Japan, and Italy all contribute more to human progress

    Germany and Italy are caught in a death spiral, unless some miracle happens it’s over for them. Neither country can be regarded as truly sovereign.
    Japan’s prospects may be a bit better, but it’s an open question whether it won’t eventually succumb to the same fate as much of the West.
    I don’t approve of Russia’s actions in Ukraine, but this “Why can’t Russia be a normal country? Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America’s benevolent hegemony” is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.

    • Agree: Coconuts, S
    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    I was listening to an interview with a progressive pro-natalist last week, he was saying that it is now more recognised that there may be no floor to how low the fertility rate can fall (surprising thing he mentioned was that until recently sociologists and demographers still assumed the floor was around 2 children per couple).

    It seems there is a point, and it can come faster than people might assume, when recovery will be impossible even if a general realisation about the seriousness of the problem develops. It was something to do with their being too many people over 50 in the society.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Keypusher
    @German_reader

    “Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America’s benevolent hegemony” is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.”

    They are wealthy, peaceful, and prosperous, not like before American hegemony . So yeah, forgive my dumb normie take, but it seems obvious that American hegemony has been really quite spectacularly good for both countries.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    My comment here was actually a bit narrower than that. I was specifically talking about how much they contribute to human progress using these two metrics, and both Italy and Germany are on average ahead of Russia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_research_and_development_spending

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_Index

    (Italy is very slightly behind Russia on the first index but more than compensates for this by being way ahead of Russia on the second index, thus "on average" still being ahead of Russia, in spite of it having more than two times less people than Russia has. Germany is significantly ahead of Russia on both of these indices.)

    Obviously Italy and Germany would be in better shape if they would have had less working-class Third Worlders, especially working-class Muslims and Africans, but this doesn't appear to significantly prevent these countries from contributing to human progress. Maybe it will eventually if there will ever be too many Third Worlders in these countries and their institutions will collapse--I don't know--but it hasn't happened yet.

    , @Gerard1234
    @German_reader


    I don't approve of Russia's actions in Ukraine
     
    Then you are a lazy, stupid cretin....... no better than that worthless little shit "Mikel" who dishonestly comments here or the 2 Baltic Tsipso troll freaks.

    You support genocide in Donbass?
    The idea of Russia supporting an enemy states military by forcing them to pay, against freemarket principles, billions in gas transit fees because of the German slave decision to stop NS2 pipeline?
    You "admire" the Ukrainian "governance" and chaotic, failing state condition from 2014-22? Germany and Singapore could benefit from having this type of "system" and personnel?

    You are stupid enough to think that ukrop history and USSR breakup, and the many complications that followed can be deflected away by chanting "International Law" - laws that are noncompatible with the totally unique Russia - 404 situation?

    You support the Banderastan non-attempt at the Minsk Agreements and water (then electricity) blockade of Crimea?

    Clearly you know jacksh*t about the situation, maybe its a nonsense attempt to be "cool" by giving an ambiguous assessment of the SMO.
  973. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered, but they shouldn’t worry, since Germany, Japan, and Italy all contribute more to human progress
     
    Germany and Italy are caught in a death spiral, unless some miracle happens it's over for them. Neither country can be regarded as truly sovereign.
    Japan's prospects may be a bit better, but it's an open question whether it won't eventually succumb to the same fate as much of the West.
    I don't approve of Russia's actions in Ukraine, but this "Why can't Russia be a normal country? Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America's benevolent hegemony" is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Keypusher, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

    I was listening to an interview with a progressive pro-natalist last week, he was saying that it is now more recognised that there may be no floor to how low the fertility rate can fall (surprising thing he mentioned was that until recently sociologists and demographers still assumed the floor was around 2 children per couple).

    It seems there is a point, and it can come faster than people might assume, when recovery will be impossible even if a general realisation about the seriousness of the problem develops. It was something to do with their being too many people over 50 in the society.

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    he was saying that it is now more recognised that there may be no floor to how low the fertility rate can fall
     
    South Korea is pretty frightening in this regard, iirc now at 0,8 children per woman or so. Not sure if it's a special case due to their excessive work culture or some other reason, but definitely indicates things could get even worse in Europe.

    It was something to do with their being too many people over 50 in the society.
     
    True enough, but in Western Europe at least there's another aggravating factor, the presence of large economically unproductive immigrant communities consuming resources that might otherwise perhaps be used for natalist policies among the native population. Coupled with the mass retirement of boomers in coming years it's a disastrous mix, one wonders how long it will be sustainable.

    Replies: @Hartnell, @Mr. XYZ

  974. @German_reader
    @The Big Red Scary


    So far Russia has been reluctant to hit even localized “decision making centers” in Kiev, let alone to bomb entire cities.
     
    It's not clear to me whether this is primarily because of a political decision for restraint (your interpretation) or because Russia wouldn't be able to wage such a campaign anyway (the interpretation of Western media). The Russian air force can't operate freely over Ukraine under present conditions, and missiles might not be plentiful and accurate enough to achieve such goals. But I admit I don't know what's correct.

    or a blockade of the Black or Baltic seas.
     
    Those would be major escalations by NATO. In case of the Black Sea it would also depend on cooperation by Turkey, which I don't really see forthcoming. Maybe not impossible, but I don't regard it as that likely a scenario for now. What would such a blockade even entail? Stopping and confiscating all vessels going to and from Russia? Would lead to enormous complications with Global South countries and also all but ensure massive Chinese support for Russia.

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary

    It’s not clear to me whether this is primarily because of a political decision for restraint (your interpretation) or because Russia wouldn’t be able to wage such a campaign anyway (the interpretation of Western media).

    It doesn’t take use of the air force, just of the cruise missiles, and they’ve shown they can do it when they choose to. For example, they regularly successfully hit gatherings of senior military officers, and they recently hit the Main Directorate of Intelligence in Kiev, which is evidently the proximate cause of Budanov’s recent tantrum.

    The air force is probably not being used because apparently Soviet air defense works pretty well when operated by Slavs rather than Arabs, and now there has been some replacement with Western air defense. But the system seems very fragile, and Russia is in no hurry, because time is on its side. As I said, I would have gone full Ivan Grozny a long time ago, not least because I think that would ultimately be more merciful, but Putin is no Ivan Grozny.

    Those would be major escalations by NATO… Maybe not impossible, but I don’t regard it as that likely a scenario for now.

    I agree. We aren’t there yet, but there were similar situations during the Cold War.

    • Replies: @AP
    @The Big Red Scary


    For example, they regularly successfully hit gatherings of senior military officers
     
    According to whom?

    As I said, I would have gone full Ivan Grozny a long time ago, not least because I think that would ultimately be more merciful, but Putin is no Ivan Grozny.
     
    When Novgorod turned towards Poland, Ivan Grozny massacred up to 1/3 of its population, executed most of the elites, and engaged in mass deportations. He also ruined the surrounding farmlands which led to further mass death by starvation. In this way, Novgorod as a fourth East Slavic ethnos was effectively genocided out of existence.

    In Ukraine’s case this would be many millions dead and further millions deported.

    I’m not sure how in any world this could be considered “ultimately more merciful.”

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @The Big Red Scary

  975. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    imply that the minorities are more pro-war per se. But it is also a fact that some of the most rabid pro-war propagandists have been assimilated minorities.

     

    In my experience, of the forums A lot of ordinary people (i.e. not liberals) who oppose the government's decisions of last decade, especially in Ukraine seem to have Tatar names.

    While in Russian mainstream, outside the center of the wealthy cities, it's relatively more "patriotic".

    Caucasian Muslims, if they can have opportunity to say openly, are probably not interested in death in Ukraine. About Tuvans, Buryats, etc, who can say. There isn't much of reception of the views in their regions.

    Jen Psaki ever encourage elimination of a large neighboring population or did she ever propose hunger

     

    I'm not criticizing Psaki. If you remember, in 2014, Psaki was also like an attractive school teacher.

    In 2014, in Russia, people were obsessed with Psaki and believed she was the important person in America, who was deciding to support Ukraine.

    Partly, I guess, because Psaki has red hair and good looking. It generated the clicks in the Russian media. Everyone in Russian media seemed to enjoy the opportunity to post photos of Psaki and increase their traffic.

    But it creates incorrect interpretation. She was just spokesperson. She says, what her employer said. This is the same situation with most of the Russian media today. It's not independent, but every day they are given the list of "themes" to talk about.

    Simonyan seems some baba-yaga from the collective nightmares, but probably she just improvises from the script controlled by the FSB. If the government changed, these workers would reverse opinions the next minute.

    Northern Russian (Gudkov Sr & Jr, Navalny, Nevzorov, Gleb Pyanyh and others). They are just so benign

     

    Well, Nevzorov is from Leningrad, as some of the better liberal media resources. But the most important clique in Russian history since around 1996, are also from Leningrad, often including dwarfs.

    In my opinion, this is the clique which creates the February 2022, against interest of many of the other elite groups in Russia.

    So, Russian politics is opaque for everyone except few powerful people. It's possible there are all kind of conspiracy we don't understand. But with limited evidence I could see, the superficial evidence seem like the Leningrad clique security people decide to invade Ukraine.

    liberal opposition is actually quite Northern
     
    Liberalism in Russia (which is a bit different than the West in the topics like immigration), was a kind of upper class ideology of younger people the last 20 years.

    It's correlating a lot to education and income level. In terms of regionally, I'm not sure. Obviously, the middle class people in the important cities like Moscow and Petersburg.

    Ekaterinburg is famous as the "center of the liberals", but actually a lot of "redneck politics" of the city.

    I guess Ekaterinburg could have more wide distribution of liberalism, to the working class which is unlike some other areas. Roizman was example of kind of "populist liberal", i.e. he was anti-immigration liberal quite popular with the working class people.

    -

    In terms of the nationality of the famous liberals. In the Echo of Moscow, they often liked to promote more minority liberals, although it could be Venediktov strategy to highlight the liberalism as anti-patriotic.

    I was never fan or listening often to Echo of Moscow. But people I remember from there, is kind of women who talk about how they are ethnic minorities. Felgenhauer (German roots), Shevardnadze (Georgian), Albats (Jewish roots), Orlova (Armenian roots), Latynina (Polish roots),

    Oh, those children in the video who are dressed up in Red Army uniforms, are singing a song with lyrics “The order is to march to the West!”. Very nice…

     

    It's a negative situation not just compared to Soviet times, when usually memory of war was processed in more respectful and anti-glamorous way, but also compared to just 15 years ago.

    -
    I feel Yahya has too many war films I recommended to watch, but there was a possible selection of Soviet films
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lnb1bI0VIk.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjIiApN6cfg.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    I feel Yahya has too many war films I recommended to watch, but there was a possible selection of Soviet films

    “Come and See” is very powerful. That and “They Fought For Their Country” are the two best Soviet war movies I’ve seen. I’ve seen a few others, including one made very shortly after the war (and in color) whose name I forget, none of which I thought I were very good. I haven’t heard of the other one you linked to in this post.

    I think someone recently mentioned the German film “Stalingrad” (1993). That’s another favorite. More recently, I liked the German miniseries “Generation War” (2013), which caught flack for presenting the Germans as complex human beings rather than evil incarnate as the times require.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @silviosilver

    Come and See is a good film but because it was a one sided massacre it's more Holocaust Genre than War Film. Russia, post-Soviet Era has made much more interesting sets of films about the period and other Russian wars. I'd say that Poland and Ukrainian film makers have done interesting stuff too over the last 20 years.

    Russian language War genre: Battle for Afghanistan was excellent made in 2010 about the debacle in Afghanistan. There was also a film the Russians made about Soviet advisors in Vietnam who were often dressed as US SpecOp troops. Genuinely entertaining narrative.

    the Last Day's in Kandagar...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfnqZRFRns4

    The Nam in Russian...surreal...The Soldier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4nebRKVfcs

    There's more to play with in these post ww2 stories. Too much piety surrounds ww2.
    .

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    More recently, I liked the German miniseries “Generation War” (2013), which caught flack for presenting the Germans as complex human beings rather than evil incarnate as the times require.
     
    Didn't see all of it, but that series was pretty grotesque imo and got a lot of deserved criticism. The scene near the beginning where the gentile protagonists were merrily dancing with their Jewish friend (to jazz music iirc) - in 1941! - was absurd on many levels. For once I even found some merit in Polish criticism (unusual for me), the portrayal of AK (?) resistance fighters as rabid antisemites was in stunningly poor taste. Also had the feeling they tried to cram together too many disparate elements for such a small group of protagonists, which made the entire affair unbelievable.
    Probably very hard or even impossible to make a movie or series about WW2 from a German pov that wouldn't be inaccurate or offensive to someone at least in part, but this was definitely a failed attempt imo.
  976. @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool


    Which minorities were purged? And do you think that Russians haven’t been purged? I don’t think there was an ethnic angle at play during the Great Purge.
     
    I think she was referring to the deportations (Tatars, Koreans, Poles etc) rather than "purges," although she specified 1937, which probably made you think of the Great Purge.

    Go figure what was going on in the Bolshevik megabrains.
     
    It's not supposed to make conventional sense.

    Stalin, from Walker Connor's "The National Question in Marxist-Leninist Theory and Strategy":


    It may seem strange that we, who are in favor of the fusion of national cultures in the future into one common culture (both in form and content), with a single, common language, are at the same time in favour of the blossoming of national cultures at the present time, in the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat....

    It may be said that, presented in this way, the question is “selfcontradictory.” But is there not the same sort of “self-contradiction” in our treatment of the question of the state? We are in favour of the withering away of the state, yet we are at the same time in favour of strengthening the dictatorship of the proletariat, which represents the most powerful and mighty of all forms of state power that have hitherto existed. The supreme develepment of the power of the state, with the object of preparing the way for the withering away of state power—such is the Marxist formula. Is that “self-contradictory’? Yes, it is “self-contradictory.” But this contradiction is a living thing, and it is a complete reflection of Marxian dialectics.

    The same must be said of the formula of national culture: the blossoming of national cultures (and languages) in the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat in one country, with the object of preparing the way for their dying away and fusion into a single, common, socialist culture (and a single, common language) in the period of victory of socialism all over the world.

    Whoever has failed to understand this peculiarity and this “selfcontradictory” nature of our transitional times, whoever has failed to understand this dialectical character of historical processes, is lost to Marxism.
     

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Your quote is Pure Gold.

    Everyone should read it carefully and process it in depth.

    It makes perfect sense if one thinks in a dialectic materialistic manner and is aiming at building a NWO of a uniform kind. You first need to break great ethnic “ensembles” into smaller groups, you need to break these groups into smaller still, then you break these bits into the 666 gender or color or shape or IQ category or whatever really, so everyone is completely atomized, and finally you can impose uniformity on the whole lot of them, and build the New Historical Community (Novaya Istoricheskaya Obsshnost’ = Noviop) according to your arbitrary rules and regulations. And in the end, when the technology is right, you can even pretend that there’s no State at all, only the Market, the Information Highway & the Cloud & AI, the Smart Contract & Stakeholder Capitalism & ESG, the Jedi Force & Master Yoda & the Cosmic Feng Shui.

    It’s simple, they just cannot think and act otherwise, they instinctively need trying to impose an end of history on an endless cyclical (or rather a very lengthy spiral) process. And when they finally manage to arrest the development, they want to be at the top of the pyramid and be the only ones who can see, analyze and mange the whole system.

    It’s really that simple – we are ruled by functional sociopaths that dislike everything natural and non-linear in human beings and want everything to become a well oiled social machine with them as operators.

    They dislike the natural in human beings because they are themselves unnatural degenerate inbred bio-thrash that poses and parades as “high quality human capital”.

  977. @Matra
    @Sean

    You can see Northern Ireland from Ayr.

    Yes, but it has to be a pretty clear day, at least that was my experience from Co. Antrim.

    To this day connections between people in eastern Ulster & southwest Scotland are closer, especially on the Protestant side, than they are between Ulster and the rest of Ireland.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Until the invention of rail it was always quicker to travel by sea, there is that academic book, or theory, about the North Sea acting like a highway, connecting the people’s of the region.

  978. @Greasy William
    Does anyone else find it strange that Evangelical Christians are dramatically more invested in the whole Gog and Magog prophecy than the Jews are?

    Like, we have everything lining up just like the Bible predicts: Russia forms an alliance with Iran that goes into conflict with the Western world. Then Russia/Iran bring on Turkey, Sudan and Libya as junior partners. To mention Sudan and Libya is amazing because who could possible have predicted that such backwaters would end up as flashpoints in the conflict between Russia and the West (both countries are currently engaged in civil wars that will end with them being ruled by Russia aligned regimes)?

    On top of this, we have prophesies from many Hasidic/Litvak masters that Russia would link up with Iran to invade Israel. One thing that always confused me about these prophesies was that they usually included the process beginning with a Russian invasion of Turkey. Here is what I think happened: the rabbis were seeing the Russian entry into Syria and the invasion of Ukraine and they were confused because they came from a time/place where they would have had no concept of Ukraine (which the Jews at that time simply called "Little Russia"; hell, my own grandfather always described his Kiev born parents as being from "Russia") as a separate country from Russia. Furthermore, the rabbis would have thought of Syria as part of the Ottoman Empire, not an independent state, so they ended up conflating a bunch of different events together in a mixed up fashion. In reality, the biblical prophecy calls for Russia to take Turkey on as an ally, not a subject.

    We have at least one rabbinic prophecy from the 1920's that the War of Gog and Magog would include a direct clash between China and the United States, a prediction that would have seemed totally insane in the 1920's but almost looks inevitable now.

    And yet, no Jews (except me) seem interested at all. If you want to find information about Gog and Magog you pretty much have to go to Evangelical Christian sources. I was able to find one Jewish source that discussed it but it basically just said, "yeah, everything matches the prophecies but whatever".

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Interested? For fucks sake the Jews are teeing up the ball for the war.

  979. I must confess that the more I see events on the ground and the way the world is heading in, the more I realise that atomised individualism, globalism, AI and mass miscegenation is the wave of the future and it cannot be in fact be halted. I do feel that the current events in Europe really is a last battle between the nation state and the global state.

    If America is victorious, then it can pretty much impose it’s totalitarian agenda on the entire world. There will be no more competition left. I suspect Iran will collapse in a revolution at some point and both India and China will toe the line. They are dependant really on America and they know it. If America shut down it’s cheap labour convoy with China, well it would heavily pound the nation into economic irrelevance. Russia I don’t want to get into but Putin is right. Uncle Sam does seek to destroy that country and will tolerate no more opposition to it’s global agenda.

    Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, all will become irrelevant as the masses of the third world descend upon them for cheap labour. Perhaps they might get lucky and use AI to solve their labour problems but that might take a while and there is millions of Africans that need a new home.

    The entire millennial generation across the world (with the exception of Afghanistan and Israel) are now de facto liberal. They grew up on American entertainment, listened to American songs and played American video games. It’s only the boomers from these nations that grew up. In a different era that are opposed to this Americanism. The millennials will quite happily build a new global order because differences between the high IQs is very minute. Of course you have the lower IQs that still have differences but it matters not as the high IQs are fully globalised, international and universal.

    It’s been a realisation I have tried to fight for so long but now it hits me. There is no going back. We will have a global society whether we want it or not and nothing will stop it.

    I predict an AI run global Brazil by the end of the century with a paler mixed race upper class lording it over the dark mixed underclass.

    It is a depressing thought but with birth rates continuing to drop, there is no future for nation states and instead high IQs will most likely mix with other high IQs regardless of national identity.

    A sad fate of the world to be sure but one that is inevitable.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Hartnell

    I might quibble with a few details, but that does indeed seem the most likely fate.

    The one chance I see to avert this fate is not a long-hoped for national reawakening, at least not initially, rather a 'multicultural racism' model, in which the various ethnic communities, feeling they have secured their positions in the west, no longer feel the need to bullshit about the wonders of diversity and mixed societies, and move instead to establish homogeneous communities under the auspices of a common federal government which acts as a coordinating mechanism (rather than a source of legitimacy or object of loyalty). People already tend to self-segregate, so in large part it'll just be a case of "let's make it official." Whites (or pro-Whites, WNs, whatever) can cooperate in this endeavour, or they can choose to follow the traditional whites vs the rest of the world gameplan, which hasn't achieved anything in over fifty years. I could be wrong about this, especially in Europe, but I think even there, where traditional nationalist parties show some promise, the realization will eventually set in that the support for their platforms just isn't there.

    A couple of points I'd disagree on are that China is dependent on America; and that the desire for cheap labor will continue to fuel immigration (esp from the soon-to-be four billion - oh gawd - Africans).

    Firstly, China uses America for her own purposes, and China has thereby accelerated the achievement of her interests, but going forward China will not need America.

    Secondly, if the past couple of decades have taught us anything it's that the left has an insatiable apatite for useless third world immigrants - refugees, asylum seekers, fake or real (99% the former), illegals, criminals, whatever. It just doesn't matter to them. You can cite indices as long as your arm for why importing these people is a terrible idea and the left remains completely unmoved. Their parroting cheap labor talking points is just a rhetorical strategy to use on the unsophisticated masses who've allowed themselves to be gulled that immigration somehow fuels growth, ie it's going to make us all rich. That say it because (sadly) it works, but if that tactic ever fails, they will not be deterred; they want these people in no matter what.

    Replies: @Hartnell

    , @German_reader
    @Hartnell


    It’s only the boomers from these nations that grew up. In a different era that are opposed to this Americanism.
     
    I don't see any sign of this at all. Boomer bashing can be overdone, but their voting behavior is clear enough. In Germany AfD is especially strong among people in the middle age cohorts (early 30s to late 40s), whereas boomers keep happily voting en masse for CDU/CSU and SPD as if it were still 1980, despite the clear commitment of those parties to mass immigration. I believe it's similar across Western countries (in the pre-1989 sense). Boomers are a fundamentally fucked up generation which mostly refuses to understand anything, really baffles me at times what's going on in their heads (probably not much).

    Replies: @Hartnell

    , @china-russia-all-the-way
    @Hartnell


    If America shut down it’s cheap labour convoy with China, well it would heavily pound the nation into economic irrelevance.
     
    The Chinese economy is different in 2023 compared to 2010. China moved from cheap manufacturing to tech competition with the US.

    https://www.economist.com/img/b/400/436/90/media-assets/image/20230225_WBC032.png

    Factory wages are a lot higher and Chinese exports are composed of advanced products from chemicals to cars rather than toys and textiles.

    Last month, the homegrown COMAC c919 narrowbody passenger jet entered into commercial service. Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation of China is not at the cutting edge of chip production but pretty advanced with mass production of 14nm. It will take a maximum 15 years and China will have caught up to to the US and allies in all major technologies including aviation and chips.

    A political and economic combination of China and Russia can resist American cultural hegemony. America is still the sole superpower and inspires high end immigration from around the world. However, what will America be like in 2050 when it is 40% white?

    China and Russia can make it as most of the rest of the world crumbles by standing firm together. However, as noted by Karlin recently, China has been a poor ally over the past year even without considering lack of aid for the Russian war effort. Construction of the Power of Siberia-2 pipeline has stalled while the Central Asia pipeline to Turkmenistan is being expanded. Both projects should be under construction but China is pursuing price negotiation with way too much insistence. I can't understand the calculation behind squeezing Russia for a better price on gas. A strong Russia = a strong China.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @S
    @Hartnell


    I must confess that the more I see events on the ground and the way the world is heading in, the more I realise that atomised individualism, globalism, AI and mass miscegenation is the wave of the future..
     
    You sound as though you've been channeling your inner Gregory Eliot . :-D

    Eliot (1854 - 1915) was a gifted essayist, director of New York's Metropolitan Opera Company, and the grand nephew of James Fenimore Cooper, author of The Last of the Mohicans.

    Eliot wrote the excerpt below as part of a larger 1898 essay (see link) entitled, 'The United States of Europe' which appeared in the journal North American Review.

    To his credit, like yourself, he decried this.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.17436845&view=1up&seq=518

    'The social formula of the future will be bitter protection of money interests and local patriotism replaced by a ferocious individualism.'

    The United States of Europe (1898)

    '..you may be sure that the financiers will step forward and arrange among themselves an international understanding. The money centres once working in union, the governments will follow, then the people.'

    'Was it not the 'capitalists' of our country which instigated the insurrection in Cuba?'

    'We will see a United States of Europe, united by finance, and many political questions which today appear without possible solution (because we insist on arguing on abstract ideas - patriotism, republicanism, 'jingoism') will be straightened out by financial necessities, as surely as the mountain snow melted by the sun runs by nature's laws in the streams and rivers to the sea.'

    'This new 'union of states' will have all the attributes of our own. Where there is an even greater mixing of peoples, Asia and Europe having each contributed it's contingent, they will develop the same financial ferocity, and their politics will be a politics of money. Battles will be fought out at the stock exchange.'

    'When Cleveland's warlike message made American securities drop on the London markets, how we all became suddenly pacific as by enchantment.'

    'The social formula of the future will be bitter protection of money interests and local patriotism replaced by a ferocious individualism.'
     
  980. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    James II was actually appointing (technically nominating) bishops in Ireland after he lost the Williamite War.
     
    I think he was still the legitimate king really, especially for the Irish who remained Catholic so I can see why the Irish church and the Vatican would still accept his nominations. I can imagine that the English side would have been less happy about it though. I wonder how it was resolved?

    Details about the war seem pretty fuzzy, but there is at least one candidate with what strikes me as an interesting story. (Sole survivor of a shipwreck) Remains to be seen whether I can ever locate a full list of his sons, or if one survives.
     
    I know a bit about the English, Scottish and French armies in that era but not much about James' Irish one, except that iirc it was quite a decent size at the Boyne. I always wondered how it was organised and recruited. I realise I don't really know anything about the Irish side of my family beyond when they first arrived in England and where from originally (Sligo, Mayo and Cork).

    Replies: @songbird

    Upon further reading, some of James II’s nominations met with resistance, but his son was still making them. I wonder to what extent the Stuarts were indirectly responsible for the continued dispossession of Catholics.

    [MORE]

    _____
    Most of my folks came from the Western Coast. Unfortunately, it is probably about an order of magnitude harder to get into deep history. (Which is already quite hard in Ireland). Don’t think I have any chance of it there.

    One of the reasons I am so interested in tracing what little I can is that I feel like learning about one traceable line helps you learn about all the untraceable ones.

    Many parishes didn’t even have a register until about 1840-1850. But depending on when they left, or which parishes specifically, you might still be able to find a few interesting things. Believe I found some interesting things, even if I cannot trace it very far.

  981. Can anyone recommend a good book about the Warring States period in Japan?

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird

    I recommend reading the Japanese wiki with DeepL (or ChatGPT). Is there a reason that you are interested in the Japanese period with borrowed nomenclature over the Chinese one?

    戦国時代(せんごくじだい)Sengoku jidai is rather like HRE with many statelets. The Chinese Warring States period is more relevant for the present:

    https://i.postimg.cc/Nff3BYCd/1580545484id.jpg

    The PRC strategy is partly borrowed from Qin 秦 of the seven Warring States-- the six other states formed a nominal alliance against Qin, similar to G7 being allied against PRC.

    But Qin picked apart the alliance by forming bilateral alliances with four of the six states-- similar to PRC being presently the top trade partner of US, Japan, and Germany.

    Replies: @songbird, @nebulafox

  982. @German_reader
    @silviosilver

    I'm surprised that Kaczynski seems to be considered a hero even by quite a few right-wingers, apparently they don't aspire to anything higher than living as a hermit in a cabin in the woods. I agree such technophobia is revolting. A collapse of industrial civilization with all its marvels is something to be dreaded, not to be hoped for, and people actively seeking to advance it are sick freaks who should be suppressed.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The other thing I remember from Chase’s book is he quoted one of the guys on Kaczynkski’s PhD committee at U. Mich. The guy said his dissertation was the most brilliant he had ever read.

    Ted’s story is a tragedy. Some of the characters in it got it worse than Ted. The people who promote him as some sort of ideal are idiots. If you have not read his book you are missing out. It is quite good.

  983. @Gerard1234
    @Philip Owen

    Hi Phillip . my dear friend ( just joking, you hideous POS)


    Last night, 3 June was a full moon. A full moon will negate the Ukrainians advantage in night vision (main subject of British training).
     
    Except for

    Also there will be longer hours of daylight to operate logistics.
     
    the remaining comment is a disgusting use of NATO propaganda vomit/lies.

    In two weeks there will be no moon. That’s when the big attack should come, plus or minus a few days
     
    Well, it was a completely different type of operation, but today is anniversary of western allies landing at Normandy.........which also occurred on the date of a full moon! So I would say for many reasons that your claim is just a useless supposition. True it was a long time before and warfare has changed, but the fundamental thinking of those in charge has not .

    1. British had huge advantage over Nazis in cryptography and photogrammetry - as shown in the absence of interception of any western allied communications, plentiful Nazi messages intercepted ( I think Britain fed the Nazis false intelligence leading them to send men to the wrong beach)............and aerial reconnaissance and the photogrammetry techniques used from them giving Britain full knowledge of where all the fortifications and weapons installations along the coast ...including those best hidden /camouflaged on 2d camera image.

    English Channel crossing is 30-50km? I don't know much about those particular waters, but am always hearing about people regularly swimming across there, absence of any shipwrecks , africans/arab refugees sailing across there............are they that difficult waters for a mass-scale amphibious landing? Western allies heavily outnumbered those defending Nazi positions around the coast.

    Nazi's had control of Channel Islands for all of the war ( unbelievably) - you would think that early warning position would eliminate the possibility of western allies trying to land at much of the french coast

    So with all those conditions, you would think less the requirement to start invasion on the night of the full moon - giving the Nazis maximum use of one of the few advantages they had........and more to use the darkness given the enhanced knowledge of the enemy positions and installations . But they didn't - because your full moon is bad theory is a load of c*ap - certainly as an isolated factor to make such a decision.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Allied misinformation was designed to lead the Germans to expect an invasion around Calais, the narrowest point of the Channel. The Normandy beaches are well to the west of this and the Channel much wider.

    The Channel Islands are many miles further west again and “round the corner” of the French coast, strictly speaking rheir name is a bit of a misnomer. They offered the Germans no strategic advantage with regard to protecting against invasion.

  984. @silviosilver
    @Dmitry


    I feel Yahya has too many war films I recommended to watch, but there was a possible selection of Soviet films
     
    "Come and See" is very powerful. That and "They Fought For Their Country" are the two best Soviet war movies I've seen. I've seen a few others, including one made very shortly after the war (and in color) whose name I forget, none of which I thought I were very good. I haven't heard of the other one you linked to in this post.

    I think someone recently mentioned the German film "Stalingrad" (1993). That's another favorite. More recently, I liked the German miniseries "Generation War" (2013), which caught flack for presenting the Germans as complex human beings rather than evil incarnate as the times require.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @German_reader

    Come and See is a good film but because it was a one sided massacre it’s more Holocaust Genre than War Film. Russia, post-Soviet Era has made much more interesting sets of films about the period and other Russian wars. I’d say that Poland and Ukrainian film makers have done interesting stuff too over the last 20 years.

    Russian language War genre: Battle for Afghanistan was excellent made in 2010 about the debacle in Afghanistan. There was also a film the Russians made about Soviet advisors in Vietnam who were often dressed as US SpecOp troops. Genuinely entertaining narrative.

    the Last Day’s in Kandagar…

    The Nam in Russian…surreal…The Soldier.

    There’s more to play with in these post ww2 stories. Too much piety surrounds ww2.
    .

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Wokechoke


    Come and See is a good film but because it was a one sided massacre it’s more Holocaust Genre than War Film.
     
    Despite being a movie about WW2 Eastern front deep rear "anti-partisan" actions, it still has arguably one of the best ever depictions of bombardment captured on screen, both from aural and visual standpoints, roughly from 34.10 min till 37.10 in the video below:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkkJZweYaLI

    If being very nitpicky, still probably entirely not truly realistic, cause in reality both of heroes, being so at the open, would be dead or at least wounded to the point of incapacitation by shrapnels or wood splinters.

    Overall, movie is memorable and done by talented director who managed to create specific appropriate and fitting atmosphere/mood all around, but still chock-full of questionable directorial decisions like Mullholland drive;)

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  985. @Hartnell
    I must confess that the more I see events on the ground and the way the world is heading in, the more I realise that atomised individualism, globalism, AI and mass miscegenation is the wave of the future and it cannot be in fact be halted. I do feel that the current events in Europe really is a last battle between the nation state and the global state.

    If America is victorious, then it can pretty much impose it's totalitarian agenda on the entire world. There will be no more competition left. I suspect Iran will collapse in a revolution at some point and both India and China will toe the line. They are dependant really on America and they know it. If America shut down it's cheap labour convoy with China, well it would heavily pound the nation into economic irrelevance. Russia I don't want to get into but Putin is right. Uncle Sam does seek to destroy that country and will tolerate no more opposition to it's global agenda.

    Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, all will become irrelevant as the masses of the third world descend upon them for cheap labour. Perhaps they might get lucky and use AI to solve their labour problems but that might take a while and there is millions of Africans that need a new home.

    The entire millennial generation across the world (with the exception of Afghanistan and Israel) are now de facto liberal. They grew up on American entertainment, listened to American songs and played American video games. It's only the boomers from these nations that grew up. In a different era that are opposed to this Americanism. The millennials will quite happily build a new global order because differences between the high IQs is very minute. Of course you have the lower IQs that still have differences but it matters not as the high IQs are fully globalised, international and universal.

    It's been a realisation I have tried to fight for so long but now it hits me. There is no going back. We will have a global society whether we want it or not and nothing will stop it.

    I predict an AI run global Brazil by the end of the century with a paler mixed race upper class lording it over the dark mixed underclass.

    It is a depressing thought but with birth rates continuing to drop, there is no future for nation states and instead high IQs will most likely mix with other high IQs regardless of national identity.

    A sad fate of the world to be sure but one that is inevitable.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @German_reader, @china-russia-all-the-way, @S

    I might quibble with a few details, but that does indeed seem the most likely fate.

    The one chance I see to avert this fate is not a long-hoped for national reawakening, at least not initially, rather a ‘multicultural racism’ model, in which the various ethnic communities, feeling they have secured their positions in the west, no longer feel the need to bullshit about the wonders of diversity and mixed societies, and move instead to establish homogeneous communities under the auspices of a common federal government which acts as a coordinating mechanism (rather than a source of legitimacy or object of loyalty). People already tend to self-segregate, so in large part it’ll just be a case of “let’s make it official.” Whites (or pro-Whites, WNs, whatever) can cooperate in this endeavour, or they can choose to follow the traditional whites vs the rest of the world gameplan, which hasn’t achieved anything in over fifty years. I could be wrong about this, especially in Europe, but I think even there, where traditional nationalist parties show some promise, the realization will eventually set in that the support for their platforms just isn’t there.

    A couple of points I’d disagree on are that China is dependent on America; and that the desire for cheap labor will continue to fuel immigration (esp from the soon-to-be four billion – oh gawd – Africans).

    Firstly, China uses America for her own purposes, and China has thereby accelerated the achievement of her interests, but going forward China will not need America.

    Secondly, if the past couple of decades have taught us anything it’s that the left has an insatiable apatite for useless third world immigrants – refugees, asylum seekers, fake or real (99% the former), illegals, criminals, whatever. It just doesn’t matter to them. You can cite indices as long as your arm for why importing these people is a terrible idea and the left remains completely unmoved. Their parroting cheap labor talking points is just a rhetorical strategy to use on the unsophisticated masses who’ve allowed themselves to be gulled that immigration somehow fuels growth, ie it’s going to make us all rich. That say it because (sadly) it works, but if that tactic ever fails, they will not be deterred; they want these people in no matter what.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Hartnell
    @silviosilver

    Good post. You know I moved to Eastern Europe a few years ago. Thought I would escape the multiracial west. It is beautiful but you can see the beginnings of the growing diversity and despite their hate towards Russia, their youth votes liberal and are obsessed with individualism, "freedom" And democracy. The only reason they have remained more homogeneous so far is that their Soviet educated elite do not agree with Western ideals. Yet when that generation retires, the millennial Western educated youth will take over and will probably continue the trend. Only difference is it will be economic for them and not ideological, as you point out with the Western elites.

    As for Russia, it doesn't seem better there either. It's split between two camps. On the one hand you have once again, the Soviet educated elites such as Putin who do see the West as a genuine threat to it's interests (and rightly so). On the other hand, you have the middle class liberal IT types who have about as much patriotism as a potato and would quite happily felitate Uncle Sam with the false beliefs they will have this magical great quality of life. Doesn't seem there really is a third option and I suspect if these people ever got into power, they would kill whatever good remains of Russia for their own selfish desires and purposes.

    Regarding autonomous communities - I was debating if some kind of ethno-patriotism could become a thing (with couples worried about their blonde hair blue eyed daughter not continuing the line) yet I am reminded of South Africa.

    You know, I once visited Orania about 13 years ago. It was a stable community back then although they had a rather obscene hatred of the British. I suspect they keep the hatred in order to justify their own existence.

    Even still, despite all of the praise that nationalists laud on Orania, the truth is it's not a success story. At all. Originally when the town was conceived, Carol Boshoff III, the founder of the town and once Broederbond chairman decreed that within 10 years, Orania should have about 25,000 people and be able to accommodate such a large number. He genuinely believed all of the patriotic Boer volk would follow him into the deep North and build a new Volkstaat in order to survive.

    How wrong the man was. Orania when I was there had about 1,100 people and has grown to between 1,700 to 2,000 people just over a decade. It's not impressive growth at all and just goes to show much of a failure the Volkstaat really is.

    Why did it fail? Well several reasons:

    1) The high IQ Afrikaners fled the country.

    2) The others could not get out so made peace with the new SA

    3) The poor were not looked after in Orania and instead treated like dogs. Basically they became the new black man with the Oranian elite treating them as such. Had Orania have enacted some sort of zionist model, they could have quickly built up a settlement with thousands of poor Afrikaners but in general they didn't want too.

    So as far as community building is concerned, trying to escape it and build a new nation is moot. All of these WNist community types would fail even harder then Orania has done. Hell Orania is so far off the radar that no one is bothered about the place anymore and it has become just a white village in the middle of nowhere.

    Another factor to add is that you have a very large group of young men in Western countries who have no sense of wanting to persevere their genes and are more than happy to sleep outside of the group with whoever. The passport bros is a pretty big phenomenon now with young men going abroad to bring home a Filipina, Columbian, Thai or even African wife because women in their own country are so left wing they don't want to be with them. Something that only 30 years ago in my fathers generation would have been looked down upon is now the trend. In their eyes, "pussy is pussy. " I suspect that this trend will only continue to grow as time goes forward.

    So yeah, after this Ukraine debacle is over, I am overall pretty damn pessimistic. The world is going global 🌎 and covid, Trump, Brexit, Ukraine, these are just road bumps on the inevitable conclusion towards global humanity with America as it's midwife.

    By my reckoning, I'd say we could very much be seeing the birth of some kind of world government by about.... 2050. When the millennials are in power. It won't be a full world government of course but the ideological framework will be there. What do all millennials want? A good life. Nothing more. So they have no reason to fight.

    As for China, that is an interesting question. Is China going to try and remake the world in it's own image or just follow Western values whilst remaining a high income economy? Same as India? Honestly, I don't see a strong ideological competition between China and America - just a "they are interfering with our markets" Mindset. I don't think their youth really care either.

    The only light at the end of the tunnel is John Michael Greer and his "The Long Descent" Work. In it he declares new cultures will come about as resource shortages continues to erode people's living standards and the global order slowly collapses. Yet this could be a century in the making and our plucky millennials will probably adapt to the new reality and push towards cold fusion or something.

    Greer's ideas are comfort reading. Nice to hope for but as I have noted, globalism and the American midwife remains remarkedly resilient. It seems to get stronger, not weaker, with each passing decade.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  986. Battle of the Nations *

    * The French Tennis Federation does not recognize Taiwan. The shorter Chinese lady is purportedly from someplace they refer to as Chinese Taipei. Also she is 5’7″ so short is relative–she is not short for a woman from Taiwan.

  987. @silviosilver
    @Hartnell

    I might quibble with a few details, but that does indeed seem the most likely fate.

    The one chance I see to avert this fate is not a long-hoped for national reawakening, at least not initially, rather a 'multicultural racism' model, in which the various ethnic communities, feeling they have secured their positions in the west, no longer feel the need to bullshit about the wonders of diversity and mixed societies, and move instead to establish homogeneous communities under the auspices of a common federal government which acts as a coordinating mechanism (rather than a source of legitimacy or object of loyalty). People already tend to self-segregate, so in large part it'll just be a case of "let's make it official." Whites (or pro-Whites, WNs, whatever) can cooperate in this endeavour, or they can choose to follow the traditional whites vs the rest of the world gameplan, which hasn't achieved anything in over fifty years. I could be wrong about this, especially in Europe, but I think even there, where traditional nationalist parties show some promise, the realization will eventually set in that the support for their platforms just isn't there.

    A couple of points I'd disagree on are that China is dependent on America; and that the desire for cheap labor will continue to fuel immigration (esp from the soon-to-be four billion - oh gawd - Africans).

    Firstly, China uses America for her own purposes, and China has thereby accelerated the achievement of her interests, but going forward China will not need America.

    Secondly, if the past couple of decades have taught us anything it's that the left has an insatiable apatite for useless third world immigrants - refugees, asylum seekers, fake or real (99% the former), illegals, criminals, whatever. It just doesn't matter to them. You can cite indices as long as your arm for why importing these people is a terrible idea and the left remains completely unmoved. Their parroting cheap labor talking points is just a rhetorical strategy to use on the unsophisticated masses who've allowed themselves to be gulled that immigration somehow fuels growth, ie it's going to make us all rich. That say it because (sadly) it works, but if that tactic ever fails, they will not be deterred; they want these people in no matter what.

    Replies: @Hartnell

    Good post. You know I moved to Eastern Europe a few years ago. Thought I would escape the multiracial west. It is beautiful but you can see the beginnings of the growing diversity and despite their hate towards Russia, their youth votes liberal and are obsessed with individualism, “freedom” And democracy. The only reason they have remained more homogeneous so far is that their Soviet educated elite do not agree with Western ideals. Yet when that generation retires, the millennial Western educated youth will take over and will probably continue the trend. Only difference is it will be economic for them and not ideological, as you point out with the Western elites.

    As for Russia, it doesn’t seem better there either. It’s split between two camps. On the one hand you have once again, the Soviet educated elites such as Putin who do see the West as a genuine threat to it’s interests (and rightly so). On the other hand, you have the middle class liberal IT types who have about as much patriotism as a potato and would quite happily felitate Uncle Sam with the false beliefs they will have this magical great quality of life. Doesn’t seem there really is a third option and I suspect if these people ever got into power, they would kill whatever good remains of Russia for their own selfish desires and purposes.

    Regarding autonomous communities – I was debating if some kind of ethno-patriotism could become a thing (with couples worried about their blonde hair blue eyed daughter not continuing the line) yet I am reminded of South Africa.

    You know, I once visited Orania about 13 years ago. It was a stable community back then although they had a rather obscene hatred of the British. I suspect they keep the hatred in order to justify their own existence.

    Even still, despite all of the praise that nationalists laud on Orania, the truth is it’s not a success story. At all. Originally when the town was conceived, Carol Boshoff III, the founder of the town and once Broederbond chairman decreed that within 10 years, Orania should have about 25,000 people and be able to accommodate such a large number. He genuinely believed all of the patriotic Boer volk would follow him into the deep North and build a new Volkstaat in order to survive.

    How wrong the man was. Orania when I was there had about 1,100 people and has grown to between 1,700 to 2,000 people just over a decade. It’s not impressive growth at all and just goes to show much of a failure the Volkstaat really is.

    Why did it fail? Well several reasons:

    1) The high IQ Afrikaners fled the country.

    2) The others could not get out so made peace with the new SA

    3) The poor were not looked after in Orania and instead treated like dogs. Basically they became the new black man with the Oranian elite treating them as such. Had Orania have enacted some sort of zionist model, they could have quickly built up a settlement with thousands of poor Afrikaners but in general they didn’t want too.

    So as far as community building is concerned, trying to escape it and build a new nation is moot. All of these WNist community types would fail even harder then Orania has done. Hell Orania is so far off the radar that no one is bothered about the place anymore and it has become just a white village in the middle of nowhere.

    Another factor to add is that you have a very large group of young men in Western countries who have no sense of wanting to persevere their genes and are more than happy to sleep outside of the group with whoever. The passport bros is a pretty big phenomenon now with young men going abroad to bring home a Filipina, Columbian, Thai or even African wife because women in their own country are so left wing they don’t want to be with them. Something that only 30 years ago in my fathers generation would have been looked down upon is now the trend. In their eyes, “pussy is pussy. ” I suspect that this trend will only continue to grow as time goes forward.

    So yeah, after this Ukraine debacle is over, I am overall pretty damn pessimistic. The world is going global 🌎 and covid, Trump, Brexit, Ukraine, these are just road bumps on the inevitable conclusion towards global humanity with America as it’s midwife.

    By my reckoning, I’d say we could very much be seeing the birth of some kind of world government by about…. 2050. When the millennials are in power. It won’t be a full world government of course but the ideological framework will be there. What do all millennials want? A good life. Nothing more. So they have no reason to fight.

    As for China, that is an interesting question. Is China going to try and remake the world in it’s own image or just follow Western values whilst remaining a high income economy? Same as India? Honestly, I don’t see a strong ideological competition between China and America – just a “they are interfering with our markets” Mindset. I don’t think their youth really care either.

    The only light at the end of the tunnel is John Michael Greer and his “The Long Descent” Work. In it he declares new cultures will come about as resource shortages continues to erode people’s living standards and the global order slowly collapses. Yet this could be a century in the making and our plucky millennials will probably adapt to the new reality and push towards cold fusion or something.

    Greer’s ideas are comfort reading. Nice to hope for but as I have noted, globalism and the American midwife remains remarkedly resilient. It seems to get stronger, not weaker, with each passing decade.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Hartnell


    On the other hand, you have the middle class liberal IT types who have about as much patriotism as a potato and would quite happily felitate Uncle Sam with the false beliefs they will have this magical great quality of life.
     
    The advertised magic will probably (P~.99) never arrive. Apparently semaglutide doesn't even work as advertised. A large portion of the patients selectively lose muscle mass. Anatoly Karlin ain't ever going to be a transhuman. When his friends start dropping dead from cancer and heart disease maybe he will change his tune. Fentanyl overdoses demonstrably are not sufficient.
  988. @Wokechoke
    @silviosilver

    Come and See is a good film but because it was a one sided massacre it's more Holocaust Genre than War Film. Russia, post-Soviet Era has made much more interesting sets of films about the period and other Russian wars. I'd say that Poland and Ukrainian film makers have done interesting stuff too over the last 20 years.

    Russian language War genre: Battle for Afghanistan was excellent made in 2010 about the debacle in Afghanistan. There was also a film the Russians made about Soviet advisors in Vietnam who were often dressed as US SpecOp troops. Genuinely entertaining narrative.

    the Last Day's in Kandagar...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfnqZRFRns4

    The Nam in Russian...surreal...The Soldier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4nebRKVfcs

    There's more to play with in these post ww2 stories. Too much piety surrounds ww2.
    .

    Replies: @sudden death

    Come and See is a good film but because it was a one sided massacre it’s more Holocaust Genre than War Film.

    Despite being a movie about WW2 Eastern front deep rear “anti-partisan” actions, it still has arguably one of the best ever depictions of bombardment captured on screen, both from aural and visual standpoints, roughly from 34.10 min till 37.10 in the video below:

    If being very nitpicky, still probably entirely not truly realistic, cause in reality both of heroes, being so at the open, would be dead or at least wounded to the point of incapacitation by shrapnels or wood splinters.

    Overall, movie is memorable and done by talented director who managed to create specific appropriate and fitting atmosphere/mood all around, but still chock-full of questionable directorial decisions like Mullholland drive;)

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    Good film. However I suspect it was a sort of inspiration to the then growing Holocaust genre that Spielberg could even be said to have imitated in the 1990s with Schindler’s List and the odious character of Amon Goeth. The film even felt a little like SPR as cinematography.

    There’s so much that Soviet film makers were doing that was ahead of US based film makers as it turns out.

    Replies: @sudden death

  989. @Greasy William
    @QCIC

    I studied to become an engineer but I didn't make it due to my health problems. I have hated engineers ever since. And they really are subhuman. Nobody respects engineers. They think they are better than everyone else but actually they are inferior to a cashier at Walmart.

    Replies: @A123, @Gerard1234

    It would have been better if you had mentioned this at the beginning!! LOL

    I would say the following :

    All the great skyscrapers of America were built in the 1920s/30s and 60s/70s. Many of them too iconic to replace ,so there has not been any thinking of changing or expanding the skyline of most US cities for a few decades. Russia, like most places around the world are expanding their suburbs, but different to US are still building new and rebuilding Soviet high rise buildings for city populations to live in. US is just one-way to the suburbs, no real mass building/rebuilding of cathedrals as in Russia the last 20 years, and no real tension of those wanting to desovietise and those wanting to keep historic soviet or Tsarist buildings dominating cities as of course in Russia.

    Despite America’s quite high rate of population expansion, from what I can see, there is no desire to expand the federal road or rail network. Different to Europe /Middle East and Orient Asia – there is zero built and zero intention to build high speed rail in the US.

    All canals needed in US were built over 100 years before, HEPP/Dams already built and still within their design life cycles, same thing for all the longest road /rail bridge or viaduct crossings, core sewage network for cities are much “younger” for US compared to the European countries by 80-150 years – so mass repair/upgrade stage of them not required now.
    Different to all major cities around the world I don’t hear much of the US metropolises either expanding their underground metro lines or constructing any for big cities that didn’t have them before (particularly for the southern States)

    All these issues above are not to say US with its size and wealth does not have much fcivil engineering projects occurring…….
    just that the mass-scale megaprojects that engage the public are not happening there compared to Europe Asia or the rest of the world

  990. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    Did they subject you to Hegel?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Die_Freien_by_Friedrich_Engels.jpg/961px-Die_Freien_by_Friedrich_Engels.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Wielgus

    A pen caricature by Engels, who seems to have had some artistic talent.

  991. German_reader says:
    @silviosilver
    @Dmitry


    I feel Yahya has too many war films I recommended to watch, but there was a possible selection of Soviet films
     
    "Come and See" is very powerful. That and "They Fought For Their Country" are the two best Soviet war movies I've seen. I've seen a few others, including one made very shortly after the war (and in color) whose name I forget, none of which I thought I were very good. I haven't heard of the other one you linked to in this post.

    I think someone recently mentioned the German film "Stalingrad" (1993). That's another favorite. More recently, I liked the German miniseries "Generation War" (2013), which caught flack for presenting the Germans as complex human beings rather than evil incarnate as the times require.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @German_reader

    More recently, I liked the German miniseries “Generation War” (2013), which caught flack for presenting the Germans as complex human beings rather than evil incarnate as the times require.

    Didn’t see all of it, but that series was pretty grotesque imo and got a lot of deserved criticism. The scene near the beginning where the gentile protagonists were merrily dancing with their Jewish friend (to jazz music iirc) – in 1941! – was absurd on many levels. For once I even found some merit in Polish criticism (unusual for me), the portrayal of AK (?) resistance fighters as rabid antisemites was in stunningly poor taste. Also had the feeling they tried to cram together too many disparate elements for such a small group of protagonists, which made the entire affair unbelievable.
    Probably very hard or even impossible to make a movie or series about WW2 from a German pov that wouldn’t be inaccurate or offensive to someone at least in part, but this was definitely a failed attempt imo.

  992. @sudden death
    @Wokechoke


    Come and See is a good film but because it was a one sided massacre it’s more Holocaust Genre than War Film.
     
    Despite being a movie about WW2 Eastern front deep rear "anti-partisan" actions, it still has arguably one of the best ever depictions of bombardment captured on screen, both from aural and visual standpoints, roughly from 34.10 min till 37.10 in the video below:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkkJZweYaLI

    If being very nitpicky, still probably entirely not truly realistic, cause in reality both of heroes, being so at the open, would be dead or at least wounded to the point of incapacitation by shrapnels or wood splinters.

    Overall, movie is memorable and done by talented director who managed to create specific appropriate and fitting atmosphere/mood all around, but still chock-full of questionable directorial decisions like Mullholland drive;)

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Good film. However I suspect it was a sort of inspiration to the then growing Holocaust genre that Spielberg could even be said to have imitated in the 1990s with Schindler’s List and the odious character of Amon Goeth. The film even felt a little like SPR as cinematography.

    There’s so much that Soviet film makers were doing that was ahead of US based film makers as it turns out.

    • Agree: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Wokechoke

    btw, one more thing that would be hard to pick for Westerners in the movie - it's quite accurately full of native Belarus language.

    IIRC during the course of the WWII nearly 25% of prewar population vanished there, so Nazi occupation was also one of the main reasons why this place could be so thoroughly sovietized and linguisticaly russified after WWII as many rural native language speakers were straight out burned to the ground alive.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

  993. German_reader says:
    @Hartnell
    I must confess that the more I see events on the ground and the way the world is heading in, the more I realise that atomised individualism, globalism, AI and mass miscegenation is the wave of the future and it cannot be in fact be halted. I do feel that the current events in Europe really is a last battle between the nation state and the global state.

    If America is victorious, then it can pretty much impose it's totalitarian agenda on the entire world. There will be no more competition left. I suspect Iran will collapse in a revolution at some point and both India and China will toe the line. They are dependant really on America and they know it. If America shut down it's cheap labour convoy with China, well it would heavily pound the nation into economic irrelevance. Russia I don't want to get into but Putin is right. Uncle Sam does seek to destroy that country and will tolerate no more opposition to it's global agenda.

    Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, all will become irrelevant as the masses of the third world descend upon them for cheap labour. Perhaps they might get lucky and use AI to solve their labour problems but that might take a while and there is millions of Africans that need a new home.

    The entire millennial generation across the world (with the exception of Afghanistan and Israel) are now de facto liberal. They grew up on American entertainment, listened to American songs and played American video games. It's only the boomers from these nations that grew up. In a different era that are opposed to this Americanism. The millennials will quite happily build a new global order because differences between the high IQs is very minute. Of course you have the lower IQs that still have differences but it matters not as the high IQs are fully globalised, international and universal.

    It's been a realisation I have tried to fight for so long but now it hits me. There is no going back. We will have a global society whether we want it or not and nothing will stop it.

    I predict an AI run global Brazil by the end of the century with a paler mixed race upper class lording it over the dark mixed underclass.

    It is a depressing thought but with birth rates continuing to drop, there is no future for nation states and instead high IQs will most likely mix with other high IQs regardless of national identity.

    A sad fate of the world to be sure but one that is inevitable.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @German_reader, @china-russia-all-the-way, @S

    It’s only the boomers from these nations that grew up. In a different era that are opposed to this Americanism.

    I don’t see any sign of this at all. Boomer bashing can be overdone, but their voting behavior is clear enough. In Germany AfD is especially strong among people in the middle age cohorts (early 30s to late 40s), whereas boomers keep happily voting en masse for CDU/CSU and SPD as if it were still 1980, despite the clear commitment of those parties to mass immigration. I believe it’s similar across Western countries (in the pre-1989 sense). Boomers are a fundamentally fucked up generation which mostly refuses to understand anything, really baffles me at times what’s going on in their heads (probably not much).

    • Replies: @Hartnell
    @German_reader

    Interesting observation. Tell me, what's the reason for this recent drive to the AfD? I thought they were actually a dying party yet it seems they have hurtled themselves into second place in the polls which is impressive I must say.

    Replies: @German_reader

  994. @Hartnell
    @silviosilver

    Good post. You know I moved to Eastern Europe a few years ago. Thought I would escape the multiracial west. It is beautiful but you can see the beginnings of the growing diversity and despite their hate towards Russia, their youth votes liberal and are obsessed with individualism, "freedom" And democracy. The only reason they have remained more homogeneous so far is that their Soviet educated elite do not agree with Western ideals. Yet when that generation retires, the millennial Western educated youth will take over and will probably continue the trend. Only difference is it will be economic for them and not ideological, as you point out with the Western elites.

    As for Russia, it doesn't seem better there either. It's split between two camps. On the one hand you have once again, the Soviet educated elites such as Putin who do see the West as a genuine threat to it's interests (and rightly so). On the other hand, you have the middle class liberal IT types who have about as much patriotism as a potato and would quite happily felitate Uncle Sam with the false beliefs they will have this magical great quality of life. Doesn't seem there really is a third option and I suspect if these people ever got into power, they would kill whatever good remains of Russia for their own selfish desires and purposes.

    Regarding autonomous communities - I was debating if some kind of ethno-patriotism could become a thing (with couples worried about their blonde hair blue eyed daughter not continuing the line) yet I am reminded of South Africa.

    You know, I once visited Orania about 13 years ago. It was a stable community back then although they had a rather obscene hatred of the British. I suspect they keep the hatred in order to justify their own existence.

    Even still, despite all of the praise that nationalists laud on Orania, the truth is it's not a success story. At all. Originally when the town was conceived, Carol Boshoff III, the founder of the town and once Broederbond chairman decreed that within 10 years, Orania should have about 25,000 people and be able to accommodate such a large number. He genuinely believed all of the patriotic Boer volk would follow him into the deep North and build a new Volkstaat in order to survive.

    How wrong the man was. Orania when I was there had about 1,100 people and has grown to between 1,700 to 2,000 people just over a decade. It's not impressive growth at all and just goes to show much of a failure the Volkstaat really is.

    Why did it fail? Well several reasons:

    1) The high IQ Afrikaners fled the country.

    2) The others could not get out so made peace with the new SA

    3) The poor were not looked after in Orania and instead treated like dogs. Basically they became the new black man with the Oranian elite treating them as such. Had Orania have enacted some sort of zionist model, they could have quickly built up a settlement with thousands of poor Afrikaners but in general they didn't want too.

    So as far as community building is concerned, trying to escape it and build a new nation is moot. All of these WNist community types would fail even harder then Orania has done. Hell Orania is so far off the radar that no one is bothered about the place anymore and it has become just a white village in the middle of nowhere.

    Another factor to add is that you have a very large group of young men in Western countries who have no sense of wanting to persevere their genes and are more than happy to sleep outside of the group with whoever. The passport bros is a pretty big phenomenon now with young men going abroad to bring home a Filipina, Columbian, Thai or even African wife because women in their own country are so left wing they don't want to be with them. Something that only 30 years ago in my fathers generation would have been looked down upon is now the trend. In their eyes, "pussy is pussy. " I suspect that this trend will only continue to grow as time goes forward.

    So yeah, after this Ukraine debacle is over, I am overall pretty damn pessimistic. The world is going global 🌎 and covid, Trump, Brexit, Ukraine, these are just road bumps on the inevitable conclusion towards global humanity with America as it's midwife.

    By my reckoning, I'd say we could very much be seeing the birth of some kind of world government by about.... 2050. When the millennials are in power. It won't be a full world government of course but the ideological framework will be there. What do all millennials want? A good life. Nothing more. So they have no reason to fight.

    As for China, that is an interesting question. Is China going to try and remake the world in it's own image or just follow Western values whilst remaining a high income economy? Same as India? Honestly, I don't see a strong ideological competition between China and America - just a "they are interfering with our markets" Mindset. I don't think their youth really care either.

    The only light at the end of the tunnel is John Michael Greer and his "The Long Descent" Work. In it he declares new cultures will come about as resource shortages continues to erode people's living standards and the global order slowly collapses. Yet this could be a century in the making and our plucky millennials will probably adapt to the new reality and push towards cold fusion or something.

    Greer's ideas are comfort reading. Nice to hope for but as I have noted, globalism and the American midwife remains remarkedly resilient. It seems to get stronger, not weaker, with each passing decade.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    On the other hand, you have the middle class liberal IT types who have about as much patriotism as a potato and would quite happily felitate Uncle Sam with the false beliefs they will have this magical great quality of life.

    The advertised magic will probably (P~.99) never arrive. Apparently semaglutide doesn’t even work as advertised. A large portion of the patients selectively lose muscle mass. Anatoly Karlin ain’t ever going to be a transhuman. When his friends start dropping dead from cancer and heart disease maybe he will change his tune. Fentanyl overdoses demonstrably are not sufficient.

  995. It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.

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  996. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    Well, it is honest. Not particularly hard. One wakes up early and goes to work and spends 8 hours in an office 5 days a week. Attends meetings occasionally. Chats with coworkers on breaks and at lunch. It’s a way to keep people honestly employed...In America such people end up in cubicles, HR departments, etc...It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.
     
    You make it sound as if corporations within America employ people as some sort of social justice program. In the office that I work in, of approximately 60 people, 1-2- work in HR positions, 1-2 in marketing positions, one at the front desk, and about 7-8 as Investment Advisor assistants. Oh, there's a compliance guy and an IT guy too. These assistants are paid directly by the Advisors, so if they're not doing some sort of useful work they'd soon get the axe. I can imagine that in the whole office, perhaps 1-2 are involved in what could possibly be seen as "fluff work". So, in my opinion, a lot of the plankton are necessary cogs in a much bigger wheel, and are paid by somebody who benefits directly from their output. Not everybody in the world can boast that due to their work the world is now safe from Covid or from cancer. Have a little empathy, AP. :-)

    Replies: @AP

    You make it sound as if corporations within America employ people as some sort of social justice program.

    That’s literally the case when it comes to Equity departments that many large corporations have.

    But in the cases I am talking about, there is certainly some inefficiency which is tolerated. If the company experiences some financial trouble they sacrifice those people. Typically the first and often second round of layoffs involves jettisoning the people who are semi-useful. Presumably they didn’t “have” to work there in the first place. But I’m glad they did! And it’s sad when they can no longer be supported. These are people who provide for their families.

    A little inefficiency is more humane, takes an edge off. When the entire system is in its essence inefficient (as in socialism) it is a problem, all of society is poor, but that’s not the case with cubicle plankton in our system. Let them come in to work each day, rearranging spreadsheets and attending meetings. Some of what they do at work is useful some of the time, and more importantly they are people who live lives outside of work also, they need the income and feel productive, in order to live dignified lives.

    Have a little empathy

    I don’t see realism as being opposed to empathy.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Your opinion here makes more sense and does show a little bit of sympathy for these sorts of people. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Equity departments" and their role in this societal betterment program?


    Presumably they didn’t “have” to work there in the first place. But I’m glad they did! And it’s sad when they can no longer be supported. These are people who provide for their families.
     
    Where I work, these very few examples actually may include some "higher ups" that may have some equity interests in the company.
  997. AP says:
    @silviosilver
    @AP


    I worked as an office plankton once when I was an undergraduate student (knowing Excel was good enough). It was fairly useless work.
     
    For someone who routinely extols the virtues of the market economy over communism, you seem to have a bizarre understanding of its operation. If a private enterprise hires you to carry out some task, the working assumption (at least) ought to be that your employer perceives it as useful - else why in the world would they hire you to do it? That isn't to say it's actually useful. Employers aren't omniscient. Bad business decisions which waste time and resources are very common. In the long run, however, occasionally getting it wrong is a necessary part of getting it right. And it's supremely doubtful that you, when you were doing that work, were in any position to know whether the business was getting it wrong or right.

    It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.
     
    What a ludicrously high opinion you have of yourself. It's actually quite amusing that you seem blithely unaware of how poorly it comes off. For all its many faults, one of the best things about an egalitarian society is the ability to dismiss and candidly smirk at the vainglory of self-appointed social superiors. (Imagine a world in which social forces demanded we indulge their conceits - eeuuww!)

    Replies: @AP, @Gerard1234

    For someone who routinely extols the virtues of the market economy over communism, you seem to have a bizarre understanding of its operation. If a private enterprise hires you to carry out some task, the working assumption (at least) ought to be that your employer perceives it as useful – else why in the world would they hire you to do it?

    Any system is inherently inefficient, and total efficiency is not ideal anyways. The market economy overall is far more efficient than was the commie word’s economy, which is why materially life is far better in market economies. But within the context of the market economy, a little bit of “fat” is a good thing, a humane touch. I described the “office plankton” as semi useful, not totally useless (totally useless would be the DEI departments that many corporations now have – though I guess they are “useful” for marketing purposes by signaling to consumers that the company is progressive). Note that I never complained that they exist, I merely pointed out their existence. There is a place in society for such people.

    Employers aren’t omniscient. Bad business decisions which waste time and resources are very common

    Indeed. There are a lot of semi-useful people and positions in a market economy. Didn’t Musk get rid of something like half of Twitter’s staff, without much noticeable difference?

    And it’s supremely doubtful that you, when you were doing that work, were in any position to know whether the business was getting it wrong or right.

    When there is an economic slowdown or some such thing, many companies suddenly find that 10% or 30% of their workforce is expendable.

    That doesn’t mean that every company ought to be cut throat all the time. These people have families, etc. There would be instability if every company was run with ruthless efficiency. It would also be immoral.

    “It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.”

    What a ludicrously high opinion you have of yourself

    Was what I said wrong? And where did I mention myself as being better or something? I don’t measure worth that way. I was born with certain abilities (through no effort of my own, its genetic) that I leveraged into an advanced degree in a more lucrative field, choosing a specialty that enabled me not to work too hard either. Does that make me a better person than the one born without such gifts and who as a result must earn a living doing spreadsheets?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AP


    Was what I said wrong? And where did I mention myself as being better or something? I don’t measure worth that way. I was born with certain abilities (through no effort of my own, its genetic) that I leveraged into an advanced degree in a more lucrative field, choosing a specialty that enabled me not to work too hard either. Does that make me a better person than the one born without such gifts and who as a result must earn a living doing spreadsheets?
     
    Well, let's see, would you ever describe yourself as plankton? If not, then you do indeed consider yourself vastly superior. I mean, dude, plankton - as though you couldn't have possibly found a gentler way to put it. And why? For no other reason than the jobs they hold, as though that were the sole measure of any interest to anyone.

    Your criticism is silly even on its own terms. Oh those poor people, they're not as brilliant and important to the world as me, so they're forced to take clean, comfortable jobs with decent hours and plenty of room for advancement that would have been the envy of anyone born a hundred years earlier. How horribly some people live.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    (totally useless would be the DEI departments that many corporations now have – though I guess they are “useful” for marketing purposes by signaling to consumers that the company is progressive).
     
    Their main value is in terms of positive PR. Though honestly if the public wasn't obsessed with this, these departments can be massively trimmed. How about just an office to find and recruit aspiring potential talent, especially with unique life stories? That would achieve much the same goal but at a lower cost, I suspect.
    , @Dmitry
    @AP

    What's the relation of "genetics", except your ancestors immigrated from their undeveloped to a developed country, so now you can enjoy having middle class life in a developed country New England, instead of sitting in a trench in an undeveloped country like you would be without immigration.

    Life as office plankton is great, on average, if you are in a developed Western country.

    Life as office plankton is not great if you are in a undeveloped country (although excluding some of your ideas about "people with median salary of Moscow of $800 per month with two children has a great life" etc).

  998. AP says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    @German_reader


    It’s not clear to me whether this is primarily because of a political decision for restraint (your interpretation) or because Russia wouldn’t be able to wage such a campaign anyway (the interpretation of Western media).
     
    It doesn't take use of the air force, just of the cruise missiles, and they've shown they can do it when they choose to. For example, they regularly successfully hit gatherings of senior military officers, and they recently hit the Main Directorate of Intelligence in Kiev, which is evidently the proximate cause of Budanov's recent tantrum.

    The air force is probably not being used because apparently Soviet air defense works pretty well when operated by Slavs rather than Arabs, and now there has been some replacement with Western air defense. But the system seems very fragile, and Russia is in no hurry, because time is on its side. As I said, I would have gone full Ivan Grozny a long time ago, not least because I think that would ultimately be more merciful, but Putin is no Ivan Grozny.

    Those would be major escalations by NATO... Maybe not impossible, but I don’t regard it as that likely a scenario for now.
     
    I agree. We aren't there yet, but there were similar situations during the Cold War.

    Replies: @AP

    For example, they regularly successfully hit gatherings of senior military officers

    According to whom?

    As I said, I would have gone full Ivan Grozny a long time ago, not least because I think that would ultimately be more merciful, but Putin is no Ivan Grozny.

    When Novgorod turned towards Poland, Ivan Grozny massacred up to 1/3 of its population, executed most of the elites, and engaged in mass deportations. He also ruined the surrounding farmlands which led to further mass death by starvation. In this way, Novgorod as a fourth East Slavic ethnos was effectively genocided out of existence.

    In Ukraine’s case this would be many millions dead and further millions deported.

    I’m not sure how in any world this could be considered “ultimately more merciful.”

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    @AP


    I’m not sure how in any world this could be considered “ultimately more merciful.”
     
    Late medieval numbers do not scale to modern numbers, and "Ivan Grozny" is dark irony. I am a rational peace-lover: you should avoid long and bloody wars by well-organized and decisive ones. The current war is half-hearted and poorly organized, partly because of misguided mercifulness, and therefore far more bloody than necessary. It is indeed a disaster.
    , @The Big Red Scary
    @AP


    According to whom?
     
    You can read original sources on the ground in Ukraine. Unlike normie Westoids, you don't have an excuse for ignorance.
  999. @AP
    @The Big Red Scary


    For example, they regularly successfully hit gatherings of senior military officers
     
    According to whom?

    As I said, I would have gone full Ivan Grozny a long time ago, not least because I think that would ultimately be more merciful, but Putin is no Ivan Grozny.
     
    When Novgorod turned towards Poland, Ivan Grozny massacred up to 1/3 of its population, executed most of the elites, and engaged in mass deportations. He also ruined the surrounding farmlands which led to further mass death by starvation. In this way, Novgorod as a fourth East Slavic ethnos was effectively genocided out of existence.

    In Ukraine’s case this would be many millions dead and further millions deported.

    I’m not sure how in any world this could be considered “ultimately more merciful.”

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @The Big Red Scary

    I’m not sure how in any world this could be considered “ultimately more merciful.”

    Late medieval numbers do not scale to modern numbers, and “Ivan Grozny” is dark irony. I am a rational peace-lover: you should avoid long and bloody wars by well-organized and decisive ones. The current war is half-hearted and poorly organized, partly because of misguided mercifulness, and therefore far more bloody than necessary. It is indeed a disaster.

  1000. @AP
    @The Big Red Scary


    For example, they regularly successfully hit gatherings of senior military officers
     
    According to whom?

    As I said, I would have gone full Ivan Grozny a long time ago, not least because I think that would ultimately be more merciful, but Putin is no Ivan Grozny.
     
    When Novgorod turned towards Poland, Ivan Grozny massacred up to 1/3 of its population, executed most of the elites, and engaged in mass deportations. He also ruined the surrounding farmlands which led to further mass death by starvation. In this way, Novgorod as a fourth East Slavic ethnos was effectively genocided out of existence.

    In Ukraine’s case this would be many millions dead and further millions deported.

    I’m not sure how in any world this could be considered “ultimately more merciful.”

    Replies: @The Big Red Scary, @The Big Red Scary

    According to whom?

    You can read original sources on the ground in Ukraine. Unlike normie Westoids, you don’t have an excuse for ignorance.

  1001. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    I was listening to an interview with a progressive pro-natalist last week, he was saying that it is now more recognised that there may be no floor to how low the fertility rate can fall (surprising thing he mentioned was that until recently sociologists and demographers still assumed the floor was around 2 children per couple).

    It seems there is a point, and it can come faster than people might assume, when recovery will be impossible even if a general realisation about the seriousness of the problem develops. It was something to do with their being too many people over 50 in the society.

    Replies: @German_reader

    he was saying that it is now more recognised that there may be no floor to how low the fertility rate can fall

    South Korea is pretty frightening in this regard, iirc now at 0,8 children per woman or so. Not sure if it’s a special case due to their excessive work culture or some other reason, but definitely indicates things could get even worse in Europe.

    It was something to do with their being too many people over 50 in the society.

    True enough, but in Western Europe at least there’s another aggravating factor, the presence of large economically unproductive immigrant communities consuming resources that might otherwise perhaps be used for natalist policies among the native population. Coupled with the mass retirement of boomers in coming years it’s a disastrous mix, one wonders how long it will be sustainable.

    • Replies: @Hartnell
    @German_reader

    Robots. They have them now. I saw a video the other day of a robot jumping, passing things to the guy in the video and running.

    Already they are using ChatGPT to get the robots to do complex thinking tasks.

    I predict in 10 years, most of the manual jobs will be done by machines. It is a reality already here now.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    True enough, but in Western Europe at least there’s another aggravating factor, the presence of large economically unproductive immigrant communities consuming resources that might otherwise perhaps be used for natalist policies among the native population. Coupled with the mass retirement of boomers in coming years it’s a disastrous mix, one wonders how long it will be sustainable.
     
    Maybe AI could help with increasing national productivity?

    Also, it's worth noting that Eastern Europe doesn't have very many Third Worlders and yet their fertility situation isn't much better than Western Europe's is.
  1002. Orban has provided incentives to raise birth rates. Going by the Tweet below he’s had some success but someone responded that the areas doing better have a lot of Roma Gypsies.

    [MORE]

  1003. Iran has hypersonic missiles according to this discussion –

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail

    It has Ritter's face on the promo and thus will go unwatched. Even people potentially on your side do not trust this droog.

    Sharing information via video, limits your audience. Adding Ritter to that concept is a 100% communication failure.


    Iran has hypersonic missiles
     
    Iran has terrible military technology. For example, their highly vaunted missile guidance packages went 1 out of 1,500 versus Iron Dome in the latest Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ] attack.

    Hypersonic is decades beyond their capabilities. Maybe longer.

    PEACE 😇
  1004. @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    Good film. However I suspect it was a sort of inspiration to the then growing Holocaust genre that Spielberg could even be said to have imitated in the 1990s with Schindler’s List and the odious character of Amon Goeth. The film even felt a little like SPR as cinematography.

    There’s so much that Soviet film makers were doing that was ahead of US based film makers as it turns out.

    Replies: @sudden death

    btw, one more thing that would be hard to pick for Westerners in the movie – it’s quite accurately full of native Belarus language.

    IIRC during the course of the WWII nearly 25% of prewar population vanished there, so Nazi occupation was also one of the main reasons why this place could be so thoroughly sovietized and linguisticaly russified after WWII as many rural native language speakers were straight out burned to the ground alive.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    A subtle part of these late Soviet and post Soviet films (not ww2) is how they feed into national narratives. A lot of the Ukie productions, over the last 20 years are clumsy with this. One film I saw had a Mongol with a belt buckle that used an Imperial Russian two headed eagle as the design.

    Russians are even more in love with Dubya Dubya Two than American filmmakers.

    , @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    I wanted to revisit your comment.

    The film clearly states it is happening in Belorussia at the start and at the End. 666 or thereabouts Villages burned in Belorussia, without trace.

    Couple of elements. The scene with the villagers herded into the unused church. I’m sure it happened. However please, it’s an equalisation with these Holocaust movies. The Germans even find a single Yiddish victim and toss him in with the Village Victims. The inside of the church is made to resemble a cinematic gas chamber. It’s very clever but once you see you can’t Unsee. Spielberg copied off this movie.

    I thought the depiction of scummy Hiwis (local volunteers) was interesting. Were they Ukies or Belorussians or Poles, or other Slavs or perhaps Balts? I noticed that one top brass, but, beautiful looking SS character was very Nordic, he was speaking German at the end under the bridge, but I got the point that he was not a German. He spoke clearly about how inferior races spread communism. A Swede eugenicist maybe? I can’t pick out the accents. The SS unit appeared to be Pan European. The crowd of partisans who shoot the surviving SS mostly Tartar looking.

    Replies: @sudden death

  1005. @German_reader
    @Hartnell


    It’s only the boomers from these nations that grew up. In a different era that are opposed to this Americanism.
     
    I don't see any sign of this at all. Boomer bashing can be overdone, but their voting behavior is clear enough. In Germany AfD is especially strong among people in the middle age cohorts (early 30s to late 40s), whereas boomers keep happily voting en masse for CDU/CSU and SPD as if it were still 1980, despite the clear commitment of those parties to mass immigration. I believe it's similar across Western countries (in the pre-1989 sense). Boomers are a fundamentally fucked up generation which mostly refuses to understand anything, really baffles me at times what's going on in their heads (probably not much).

    Replies: @Hartnell

    Interesting observation. Tell me, what’s the reason for this recent drive to the AfD? I thought they were actually a dying party yet it seems they have hurtled themselves into second place in the polls which is impressive I must say.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Hartnell


    Tell me, what’s the reason for this recent drive to the AfD?
     

    - Continuing mass immigration (110 000 new asylum applications just January-February this year), which is already straining the resources of many regions and towns to breaking point, yet total refusal by the establishment to take any measures that would limit the influx. Asylum seekers everywhere, even in the middle of nowhere (went to my high school reunion in rural Bavaria a few weeks ago, in a town of 6000, in the bus on the final stretch I was pretty much the only German). An endless litany of grotesque horror crimes committed by them. Continuing radicalization by the establishment, e. g. they want to make naturalization even easier (possible after only three years residence), and by now you're already declared an enemy of the constitution for stating that Germans exist as an ethnic group and it may not be ok to make them a minority in Germany. Anybody who isn't a moron can see that the governing parties are pursuing an ideological agenda to bring in as many foreigners as possible and naturalize them in record speed.
    - Another big issue are "Green" policies. There has been intense controversy over proposed legislation that would make oil and gas heating eventually illegal and force house owners to install heat pumps, burdening them with massive costs. Also plans by the EU to force investing in increased insulation on house owners. Coupled with a high tax burden, high energy prices and inflation it's hard not to feel they're intentionally trying to impoverish you.
    - Energy and economic policies are disastrous. The minister of the economy is a former writer of young adult novels who's installed a network of Green ideologues in his ministry. No real effort to do something against the increasing signs of de-industrialization of the German economy, instead focus on ever more regulation in service of the Green agenda...while shutting down the remaining nuclear power stations in the midst of an energy crisis and replacing them with coal plants...
    - Probably only a minor issue for most, but still indicative: Massive promotion of the LGBTQ agenda. The government has its own Queer commissioner who's attacking anybody voicing even slight criticism of the trans agenda.
    - Foreign policy that consists of a bizarre mixture of lecturing others ("feminist foreign policy", lol) and total servility towards the American hegemon. Hard not to feel that the government would prefer a permanent cover-up of the Nordstream agenda.

    Of course this is only my subjective view, but essentially: Germany is ruled by malicious ideologues who are pursuing deeply destructive policies, voting AfD is an act of self-defense.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

  1006. @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    Response to Philip Owen #710

    I believe there are certain unwritten rules of Superpower military conduct which evolved during the late Cold War. These are directly related to the arms reduction treaties which were signed by the USA and the USSR and helped reduce the risk of World War 3. After the fall of the USSR, the West has unilaterally engaged in many acts against Russia which would have been recognized by all sides as extremely warlike and provocative just a decade before. This has now led to Russian RETALIATION in Ukraine and brought us to the brink of WW3.

    I think anyone wise enough to read The Unz Review can understand this perspective. Understanding doesn't mean acceptance or agreement. However, I recommend people shake off their brainwashing and integrate these unpleasant facts.

    A partial list of seriously WARLIKE acts by the West

    Dropping out of the ABM treaty
    USA Missile sites in Romania and Poland. HELLO, this is similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis!
    Dropping out of the INF treaty on false pretenses
    Dropping out of the Open Skies Treaty on false pretenses
    Billions of dollars of regime-change NGO work in Russia and FSU countries
    Bioweapons labs in Ukraine and other FSU countries
    "Color revolutions" fomented and coups attempted in various FSU countries
    Expanding the anti-Russia NATO MILITARY ALLIANCE directly to the Russian border
    Western sanctions which could easily be considered an act of war
    Support for and participation in extensive murders of pro-Russian civilians in a neighboring country (30 miles from the Russian border!)

    This is all a continuation of the Cold War. Unfortunately, instead of wise statesmen and steely-eyed missile men at the helm we now have petulant, ignorant and cowardly adult children calling the shots in the West. If enough dangerous warlike actions are completed, well we probably get a war. Of course Russia has been doing provocative things on their own, but the scale appears to be tiny compared to the West.

    Don't forget, due to Western provocations, Russia has developed the most lethal nuclear weapons capability in history. We did this.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Here’s what the Hoover institute reacently pushed in their Steven Kotkin interview.

    Crimea and Donbas are officially ceded to Russia. The Ukies join the EU and get to buy all the German American and British equipment they want.

    This seems like the likely end point either way.

    I’d guess that the pipelines going through Poland and Ukraine are going to be dismantled though. No fee for having the pipe go through territory anymore.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Wokechoke

    I believe Hoover thinks this is the endpoint, but what would make Russia accept this arrangement?

    From what little information I can glean,

    -Russian conventional military capability is gradually improving in real time, with improved hardware, manpower, training and leadership.

    -The Russian economy is fairly stable and is gradually moving to a permanent non-Dollar paradigm.

    -General popular sentiment toward the war is gradually becoming more accepting of the necessity of the SMO, with more people recognizing that the situation in Ukraine represents a serious attack on Russians by the West.

    Russia still has lots of NeoNazi's and foreign mercenaries to hunt down. Why would they stop when continuing makes everything better?

    While the combat continues, Russia is probably slowly stabilizing the situation in the newly repatriated areas and establishing rock solid security. Once they have choked this down, why wouldn't they continue this process with Kharkov, Odessa, Dnipro and Zaporozhye?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  1007. @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    he was saying that it is now more recognised that there may be no floor to how low the fertility rate can fall
     
    South Korea is pretty frightening in this regard, iirc now at 0,8 children per woman or so. Not sure if it's a special case due to their excessive work culture or some other reason, but definitely indicates things could get even worse in Europe.

    It was something to do with their being too many people over 50 in the society.
     
    True enough, but in Western Europe at least there's another aggravating factor, the presence of large economically unproductive immigrant communities consuming resources that might otherwise perhaps be used for natalist policies among the native population. Coupled with the mass retirement of boomers in coming years it's a disastrous mix, one wonders how long it will be sustainable.

    Replies: @Hartnell, @Mr. XYZ

    Robots. They have them now. I saw a video the other day of a robot jumping, passing things to the guy in the video and running.

    Already they are using ChatGPT to get the robots to do complex thinking tasks.

    I predict in 10 years, most of the manual jobs will be done by machines. It is a reality already here now.

  1008. @sudden death
    @Wokechoke

    btw, one more thing that would be hard to pick for Westerners in the movie - it's quite accurately full of native Belarus language.

    IIRC during the course of the WWII nearly 25% of prewar population vanished there, so Nazi occupation was also one of the main reasons why this place could be so thoroughly sovietized and linguisticaly russified after WWII as many rural native language speakers were straight out burned to the ground alive.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    A subtle part of these late Soviet and post Soviet films (not ww2) is how they feed into national narratives. A lot of the Ukie productions, over the last 20 years are clumsy with this. One film I saw had a Mongol with a belt buckle that used an Imperial Russian two headed eagle as the design.

    Russians are even more in love with Dubya Dubya Two than American filmmakers.

  1009. German_reader says:
    @Hartnell
    @German_reader

    Interesting observation. Tell me, what's the reason for this recent drive to the AfD? I thought they were actually a dying party yet it seems they have hurtled themselves into second place in the polls which is impressive I must say.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Tell me, what’s the reason for this recent drive to the AfD?

    [MORE]

    – Continuing mass immigration (110 000 new asylum applications just January-February this year), which is already straining the resources of many regions and towns to breaking point, yet total refusal by the establishment to take any measures that would limit the influx. Asylum seekers everywhere, even in the middle of nowhere (went to my high school reunion in rural Bavaria a few weeks ago, in a town of 6000, in the bus on the final stretch I was pretty much the only German). An endless litany of grotesque horror crimes committed by them. Continuing radicalization by the establishment, e. g. they want to make naturalization even easier (possible after only three years residence), and by now you’re already declared an enemy of the constitution for stating that Germans exist as an ethnic group and it may not be ok to make them a minority in Germany. Anybody who isn’t a moron can see that the governing parties are pursuing an ideological agenda to bring in as many foreigners as possible and naturalize them in record speed.
    – Another big issue are “Green” policies. There has been intense controversy over proposed legislation that would make oil and gas heating eventually illegal and force house owners to install heat pumps, burdening them with massive costs. Also plans by the EU to force investing in increased insulation on house owners. Coupled with a high tax burden, high energy prices and inflation it’s hard not to feel they’re intentionally trying to impoverish you.
    – Energy and economic policies are disastrous. The minister of the economy is a former writer of young adult novels who’s installed a network of Green ideologues in his ministry. No real effort to do something against the increasing signs of de-industrialization of the German economy, instead focus on ever more regulation in service of the Green agenda…while shutting down the remaining nuclear power stations in the midst of an energy crisis and replacing them with coal plants…
    – Probably only a minor issue for most, but still indicative: Massive promotion of the LGBTQ agenda. The government has its own Queer commissioner who’s attacking anybody voicing even slight criticism of the trans agenda.
    – Foreign policy that consists of a bizarre mixture of lecturing others (“feminist foreign policy”, lol) and total servility towards the American hegemon. Hard not to feel that the government would prefer a permanent cover-up of the Nordstream agenda.

    Of course this is only my subjective view, but essentially: Germany is ruled by malicious ideologues who are pursuing deeply destructive policies, voting AfD is an act of self-defense.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @German_reader

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1oBLM5BJ7E&t=1443s

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    On the alternative media they said that there were 100's 1000's at Robert Kennedy Jr.'s Berlin speech. Did anybody report anything in Germany?

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    You know, if I myself lived in Germany, I might have very well voted for the AfD *if* it was actually more pro-Ukraine, similar to Giorgia Meloni's nationalist party in Italy. I'm both pro-Ukraine and a critic of working-class Muslim and African immigration, especially into developed Western countries.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  1010. @German_reader
    @Hartnell


    Tell me, what’s the reason for this recent drive to the AfD?
     

    - Continuing mass immigration (110 000 new asylum applications just January-February this year), which is already straining the resources of many regions and towns to breaking point, yet total refusal by the establishment to take any measures that would limit the influx. Asylum seekers everywhere, even in the middle of nowhere (went to my high school reunion in rural Bavaria a few weeks ago, in a town of 6000, in the bus on the final stretch I was pretty much the only German). An endless litany of grotesque horror crimes committed by them. Continuing radicalization by the establishment, e. g. they want to make naturalization even easier (possible after only three years residence), and by now you're already declared an enemy of the constitution for stating that Germans exist as an ethnic group and it may not be ok to make them a minority in Germany. Anybody who isn't a moron can see that the governing parties are pursuing an ideological agenda to bring in as many foreigners as possible and naturalize them in record speed.
    - Another big issue are "Green" policies. There has been intense controversy over proposed legislation that would make oil and gas heating eventually illegal and force house owners to install heat pumps, burdening them with massive costs. Also plans by the EU to force investing in increased insulation on house owners. Coupled with a high tax burden, high energy prices and inflation it's hard not to feel they're intentionally trying to impoverish you.
    - Energy and economic policies are disastrous. The minister of the economy is a former writer of young adult novels who's installed a network of Green ideologues in his ministry. No real effort to do something against the increasing signs of de-industrialization of the German economy, instead focus on ever more regulation in service of the Green agenda...while shutting down the remaining nuclear power stations in the midst of an energy crisis and replacing them with coal plants...
    - Probably only a minor issue for most, but still indicative: Massive promotion of the LGBTQ agenda. The government has its own Queer commissioner who's attacking anybody voicing even slight criticism of the trans agenda.
    - Foreign policy that consists of a bizarre mixture of lecturing others ("feminist foreign policy", lol) and total servility towards the American hegemon. Hard not to feel that the government would prefer a permanent cover-up of the Nordstream agenda.

    Of course this is only my subjective view, but essentially: Germany is ruled by malicious ideologues who are pursuing deeply destructive policies, voting AfD is an act of self-defense.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail

    Alice W. is rather hott lol. Too bad that she's a lesbian. ;)

  1011. @German_reader
    @Hartnell


    Tell me, what’s the reason for this recent drive to the AfD?
     

    - Continuing mass immigration (110 000 new asylum applications just January-February this year), which is already straining the resources of many regions and towns to breaking point, yet total refusal by the establishment to take any measures that would limit the influx. Asylum seekers everywhere, even in the middle of nowhere (went to my high school reunion in rural Bavaria a few weeks ago, in a town of 6000, in the bus on the final stretch I was pretty much the only German). An endless litany of grotesque horror crimes committed by them. Continuing radicalization by the establishment, e. g. they want to make naturalization even easier (possible after only three years residence), and by now you're already declared an enemy of the constitution for stating that Germans exist as an ethnic group and it may not be ok to make them a minority in Germany. Anybody who isn't a moron can see that the governing parties are pursuing an ideological agenda to bring in as many foreigners as possible and naturalize them in record speed.
    - Another big issue are "Green" policies. There has been intense controversy over proposed legislation that would make oil and gas heating eventually illegal and force house owners to install heat pumps, burdening them with massive costs. Also plans by the EU to force investing in increased insulation on house owners. Coupled with a high tax burden, high energy prices and inflation it's hard not to feel they're intentionally trying to impoverish you.
    - Energy and economic policies are disastrous. The minister of the economy is a former writer of young adult novels who's installed a network of Green ideologues in his ministry. No real effort to do something against the increasing signs of de-industrialization of the German economy, instead focus on ever more regulation in service of the Green agenda...while shutting down the remaining nuclear power stations in the midst of an energy crisis and replacing them with coal plants...
    - Probably only a minor issue for most, but still indicative: Massive promotion of the LGBTQ agenda. The government has its own Queer commissioner who's attacking anybody voicing even slight criticism of the trans agenda.
    - Foreign policy that consists of a bizarre mixture of lecturing others ("feminist foreign policy", lol) and total servility towards the American hegemon. Hard not to feel that the government would prefer a permanent cover-up of the Nordstream agenda.

    Of course this is only my subjective view, but essentially: Germany is ruled by malicious ideologues who are pursuing deeply destructive policies, voting AfD is an act of self-defense.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    On the alternative media they said that there were 100’s 1000’s at Robert Kennedy Jr.’s Berlin speech. Did anybody report anything in Germany?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. If it's been reported, I missed it.

  1012. German_reader says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    On the alternative media they said that there were 100's 1000's at Robert Kennedy Jr.'s Berlin speech. Did anybody report anything in Germany?

    Replies: @German_reader

    Haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere. If it’s been reported, I missed it.

  1013. What is the reason for the harsh hierarchy between peasant and men of note in Japan? Why did it develop so early? And persist so long?

    Circa 297AD, the Chinese were noting how lowly men drew to the side of the road and bowed low, putting their hands on the ground.

    Are the Burakumin more Yayoi?

  1014. Would be interesting if the Saudis bought Star Wars.

    One of the rumors is a foreign oil tycoon. Could they not buy it as part of the sovereign wealth fund? Or perhaps that Indian guy Mukesh Ambani.

  1015. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikhail
    Iran has hypersonic missiles according to this discussion -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZQdBoAJWV8

    Replies: @A123

    It has Ritter’s face on the promo and thus will go unwatched. Even people potentially on your side do not trust this droog.

    Sharing information via video, limits your audience. Adding Ritter to that concept is a 100% communication failure.

    Iran has hypersonic missiles

    Iran has terrible military technology. For example, their highly vaunted missile guidance packages went 1 out of 1,500 versus Iron Dome in the latest Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ] attack.

    Hypersonic is decades beyond their capabilities. Maybe longer.

    PEACE 😇

    • Disagree: Mikhail
  1016. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered, but they shouldn’t worry, since Germany, Japan, and Italy all contribute more to human progress
     
    Germany and Italy are caught in a death spiral, unless some miracle happens it's over for them. Neither country can be regarded as truly sovereign.
    Japan's prospects may be a bit better, but it's an open question whether it won't eventually succumb to the same fate as much of the West.
    I don't approve of Russia's actions in Ukraine, but this "Why can't Russia be a normal country? Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America's benevolent hegemony" is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Keypusher, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

    “Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America’s benevolent hegemony” is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.”

    They are wealthy, peaceful, and prosperous, not like before American hegemony . So yeah, forgive my dumb normie take, but it seems obvious that American hegemony has been really quite spectacularly good for both countries.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Keypusher

    Dumb normie status confirmed. Go to Reddit.

  1017. German_reader says:
    @Keypusher
    @German_reader

    “Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America’s benevolent hegemony” is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.”

    They are wealthy, peaceful, and prosperous, not like before American hegemony . So yeah, forgive my dumb normie take, but it seems obvious that American hegemony has been really quite spectacularly good for both countries.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Dumb normie status confirmed. Go to Reddit.

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ

  1018. Dumb normie status confirmed. Go to Reddit

    No. Explain “Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America’s benevolent hegemony” is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.”

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Keypusher


    No. Explain “Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America’s benevolent hegemony” is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.”
     
    1) Correlation =/ causation. It is plausible that Germany would’ve developed all the same in a counterfactual where America was not hegemonic over Europe. War does necessarily inhibit development over the long-run, in fact sometimes is a spur. Germany already was among the first-rank economies in the world before American hegemony.

    2) Assuming American hegemony facilitated European prosperity, German_reader probably thinks the prosperity was not worth the demographic displacement. I don’t agree with his emphasis on American hegemony as being the key contributor to Europe’s demographic predicament (neither Israel nor Saudi Arabia nor Japan are facing same issues despite being under American umbrella), but it is reasonable to pin some blame on American ideas and influence for Western Europe’s demographic trajectory.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1019. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered, but they shouldn’t worry, since Germany, Japan, and Italy all contribute more to human progress
     
    Germany and Italy are caught in a death spiral, unless some miracle happens it's over for them. Neither country can be regarded as truly sovereign.
    Japan's prospects may be a bit better, but it's an open question whether it won't eventually succumb to the same fate as much of the West.
    I don't approve of Russia's actions in Ukraine, but this "Why can't Russia be a normal country? Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America's benevolent hegemony" is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Keypusher, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

    My comment here was actually a bit narrower than that. I was specifically talking about how much they contribute to human progress using these two metrics, and both Italy and Germany are on average ahead of Russia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_research_and_development_spending

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_Index

    (Italy is very slightly behind Russia on the first index but more than compensates for this by being way ahead of Russia on the second index, thus “on average” still being ahead of Russia, in spite of it having more than two times less people than Russia has. Germany is significantly ahead of Russia on both of these indices.)

    Obviously Italy and Germany would be in better shape if they would have had less working-class Third Worlders, especially working-class Muslims and Africans, but this doesn’t appear to significantly prevent these countries from contributing to human progress. Maybe it will eventually if there will ever be too many Third Worlders in these countries and their institutions will collapse–I don’t know–but it hasn’t happened yet.

  1020. @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    he was saying that it is now more recognised that there may be no floor to how low the fertility rate can fall
     
    South Korea is pretty frightening in this regard, iirc now at 0,8 children per woman or so. Not sure if it's a special case due to their excessive work culture or some other reason, but definitely indicates things could get even worse in Europe.

    It was something to do with their being too many people over 50 in the society.
     
    True enough, but in Western Europe at least there's another aggravating factor, the presence of large economically unproductive immigrant communities consuming resources that might otherwise perhaps be used for natalist policies among the native population. Coupled with the mass retirement of boomers in coming years it's a disastrous mix, one wonders how long it will be sustainable.

    Replies: @Hartnell, @Mr. XYZ

    True enough, but in Western Europe at least there’s another aggravating factor, the presence of large economically unproductive immigrant communities consuming resources that might otherwise perhaps be used for natalist policies among the native population. Coupled with the mass retirement of boomers in coming years it’s a disastrous mix, one wonders how long it will be sustainable.

    Maybe AI could help with increasing national productivity?

    Also, it’s worth noting that Eastern Europe doesn’t have very many Third Worlders and yet their fertility situation isn’t much better than Western Europe’s is.

  1021. @The Big Red Scary
    @Mr. XYZ

    But is it good for the Jews, Mr. XYZ?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    What’s good for the Jews? Having a larger Jewish Diaspora? Why not?

  1022. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered, but they shouldn’t worry, since Germany, Japan, and Italy all contribute more to human progress
     
    Germany and Italy are caught in a death spiral, unless some miracle happens it's over for them. Neither country can be regarded as truly sovereign.
    Japan's prospects may be a bit better, but it's an open question whether it won't eventually succumb to the same fate as much of the West.
    I don't approve of Russia's actions in Ukraine, but this "Why can't Russia be a normal country? Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America's benevolent hegemony" is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Keypusher, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

    I don’t approve of Russia’s actions in Ukraine

    Then you are a lazy, stupid cretin……. no better than that worthless little shit “Mikel” who dishonestly comments here or the 2 Baltic Tsipso troll freaks.

    You support genocide in Donbass?
    The idea of Russia supporting an enemy states military by forcing them to pay, against freemarket principles, billions in gas transit fees because of the German slave decision to stop NS2 pipeline?
    You “admire” the Ukrainian “governance” and chaotic, failing state condition from 2014-22? Germany and Singapore could benefit from having this type of “system” and personnel?

    You are stupid enough to think that ukrop history and USSR breakup, and the many complications that followed can be deflected away by chanting “International Law” – laws that are noncompatible with the totally unique Russia – 404 situation?

    You support the Banderastan non-attempt at the Minsk Agreements and water (then electricity) blockade of Crimea?

    Clearly you know jacksh*t about the situation, maybe its a nonsense attempt to be “cool” by giving an ambiguous assessment of the SMO.

  1023. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Why shouldn’t the Intermarium peoples also get some “Me time”?
     
    I meant they should have "Me time" just among themselves, without external interferences, when this is over.

    As a side note, I like the Freedom of Russia Legion logo

     

    I love the Legion, they're such valiant polar bears and even slightly humorous! And their symbols are awesome indeed, I love that combination of pristine white and azure, it conjures up everything I love about Russia. When the sun is shining on the ice or snow, it creates a beautiful deep blue aqua like color, it's such a beautiful color in the snow light color scheme, I have seen it on the Briksdal Glacier in Norway and I'm sure one can see it in many places in Russia. And the Legion wants to promote a kind of a Nordic democracy.

    Normally, I wouldn't approve of such radical steps that they've taken, but the attacks on Ukraine have been too intense. They have been in opposition to Putin for 15 years. When Westerners were trading and shaking hands with Putin, they were fighting him.

    I wish that if the Russian people will decisively lose this war, they will subsequently reject expansionist nationalism and instead become more pro-Western over the subsequent decades.
     
    I never thought that I could ever dream of them stopping being expansionist in my life time, until I saw the Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps. There is a little light of hope now and it is so incredible that I don't even dare dream. But I don't think that they should necessary become pro-Western in the sense that they would need anything from the West (or China), they should be completely independent, self-reliant and national democratic.

    There are 75 trillions of dollars worth of natural resources under their soil. They don't need anybody.

    It would be cool to see a more peaceful Russian nationalism emerge in place of the current one, though. An Amish-style Russian nationalism, if you will.
     
    Yea, like an Old Believer nationalism - but that's an oxymoron. But I know what you mean, I agree with that part.

    And also maybe invite Israeli Jews to settle there in large numbers if Israel will ever join the EU and become severely overpopulated itself
     
    Is there a risk that Israel could get overpopulated? Then maybe they should slow down their program or make the program more selective? Have you heard of Birobidzhan?

    Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered
     
    They can decide themselves what they want to do with their civilizational mission and how to maintain their own special, unique civilization, they don't need the EU.

    By the way, if a much more Woke future Russia will want more diversity, it should seriously consider engaging in (consensual) proselytization of the Russian Orthodox faith, primarily in the developing world.
     
    I think the Orthodox Church is not all that pushy that way and is used to operating in its traditional space (except those Old Believer settlements overseas but that's because they fled). But it's not a bad idea. It looks like some right wingers in the US want to convert to Orthodoxy.

    LOL, you have very creative ideas. Not sure they are all realistic though. :)

    Well, I mentioned Finnic genes because I know that Northern Slavs are essentially Finnic-Slavic hybrids, on average, in terms of their genetic ancestry.
     
    Well, they have their own phenotype.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/fd/4a/d6fd4a05d3f9c38e69eab450300650ef.jpg

    https://s-cdn.sportbox.ru/images/styles/upload/fp_fotos/ec/f0/Fiedor-Fiedorov-456456.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    I meant they should have “Me time” just among themselves, without external interferences, when this is over.

    That makes sense.

    I love the Legion, they’re such valiant polar bears and even slightly humorous! And their symbols are awesome indeed, I love that combination of pristine white and azure, it conjures up everything I love about Russia. When the sun is shining on the ice or snow, it creates a beautiful deep blue aqua like color, it’s such a beautiful color in the snow light color scheme, I have seen it on the Briksdal Glacier in Norway and I’m sure one can see it in many places in Russia. And the Legion wants to promote a kind of a Nordic democracy.

    Normally, I wouldn’t approve of such radical steps that they’ve taken, but the attacks on Ukraine have been too intense. They have been in opposition to Putin for 15 years. When Westerners were trading and shaking hands with Putin, they were fighting him.

    My own concerns with the risk of attacking Belgorod Oblast have to do with the risk of escalation.

    Agreed with your analysis of the Legion’s symbols. They’re great! 🙂

    I never thought that I could ever dream of them stopping being expansionist in my life time, until I saw the Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps. There is a little light of hope now and it is so incredible that I don’t even dare dream. But I don’t think that they should necessary become pro-Western in the sense that they would need anything from the West (or China), they should be completely independent, self-reliant and national democratic.

    There are 75 trillions of dollars worth of natural resources under their soil. They don’t need anybody.

    They need more people to have stronger economies of scale, though. They can aim to achieve this goal by breeding much more like Israeli Jews are already currently doing (they, unlike Israeli Jews, actually have the necessary space for this), or they can achieve this by joining the EU. Resources aren’t enough; one also needs a lot of people, especially smart people, in order to become a prominent force. And within the EU, they would have a decent amount of say due to their large size.

    Yea, like an Old Believer nationalism – but that’s an oxymoron. But I know what you mean, I agree with that part.

    Yeah, a Russia that breeds a lot (non-dysgenically) and that is peaceful would be absolutely great! 🙂

    Is there a risk that Israel could get overpopulated? Then maybe they should slow down their program or make the program more selective? Have you heard of Birobidzhan?

    Israel doesn’t get all that much immigration nowadays, with the exception of the recent mini-wave as a result of the current Ukraine war. As for curbing Israeli fertility, some Israeli left-wingers might advocate for this. Alon Tal, for instance:

    https://in.bgu.ac.il/en/Pages/news/land-full.aspx

    And Yes, I know about the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. This is extraordinarily far-fetched, but if there will ever be an opportunity for Israel to purchase the JAO, it should certainly do so. This should give Israel power projection in the Asia-Pacific region, additional space for its rapid population growth, easy access to Chinese food for Christmas, et cetera.

    They can decide themselves what they want to do with their civilizational mission and how to maintain their own special, unique civilization, they don’t need the EU.

    The EU would allow them to become a part of a bloc with many more people, though.

    I think the Orthodox Church is not all that pushy that way and is used to operating in its traditional space (except those Old Believer settlements overseas but that’s because they fled). But it’s not a bad idea. It looks like some right wingers in the US want to convert to Orthodoxy.

    LOL, you have very creative ideas. Not sure they are all realistic though. 🙂

    I know that Rod Dreher among US/Western conservatives converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. Who else?

    And what’s wrong with spreading the Eastern (Russian) Orthodox message to more people?

    Well, they have their own phenotype.

    Yeah, possibly.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    My own concerns with the risk of attacking Belgorod Oblast have to do with the risk of escalation.
     

    The situation is very dire now. Regardless of the borders, this calamity is now spreading and crawling into more and more spaces. You might fear escalation, looking from the West (and, ofc, this is reasonable), but Ukrainian POV is different - what they have gone through is simply too much, after every vicious missile attack they keep asking "Is this not enough of an escalation?". Some say that the recent spill can be compared to a nuclear blast in terms of its consequences, especially on the left bank. With a huge war like this, the logic is that sooner or later, if it doesn't stop by one side winning, then the war goes into the enemy territory. It's called the boomerang, it's the internal logic of war. If your house was being fired at and your children being fired at from another house, you would hit that other window immediately. It's basic logic and that's how they think on the ground there. The things they say on Ukrainian YT channels and on the Russian tv are even crazier than some of the things discussed on this forum.

    Belgorod is actually a well maintained place, the infrastructure in the region is quite good, lots of new houses, it's a real shame what things have come to. By the way, it is mostly Russian forces firing at the rebels, they are doing this instead of sending in spetsnaz (although it seems some units are indeed there), they are firing missiles that are hitting people's homes. It is really dire there, the Volunteer Corps had casualties.

    Agreed with your analysis of the Legion’s symbols. They’re great! 🙂
     
    https://whitebluewhite.info/english

    White color symbolizes peace, purity, prudence, and azure (blue) is for truth and justice.

    The white-blue-white flag is similar to the symbolics of Veliky Novgorod. One of the oldest cities in Russia was the center of the Novgorod Republic, the only proto-democratic state formation in the history of our country. The Novgorod Republic did not have a flag in the modern sense of the word, so we borrow colors from the flag of Veliky Novgorod.
     
    I also really like the spaika of Larionov that the Volunteer Corps is using but that one is more ideological and far right so may not be for everybody.


    They need more people to have stronger economies of scale, though.
     
    Why are you so focused on this idea of "economies of scale"? Do you feel they don't have a big enough population already to ramp up wide scale production? I think they do. Many of their products could compete with the price. The price is lower even than Lithuanian products. Although that might change with the growing labor shortage.

    Btw, the economic cooperation with the EU was growing even without them being in the EU (or without any kind of special agreements). They were starting to both invest and export more. It was on the track for growth. It's really messed up that it was interrupted. I wonder if the Kremlin clique who started the war were aware of this growth. They totally pulled a plug on something that would've benefitted the Russian entrepreneurs.

    Resources aren’t enough; one also needs a lot of people, especially smart people, in order to become a prominent force. And within the EU, they would have a decent amount of say due to their large size.

     

    They could cultivate their own talent. The EU is already very large at this point and there are internal issues that need to be taken care of, there is an ongoing struggle over the power dynamic there that will take up a lot of energy in the years to come. Also, Russia would need to comply with democratic standards, they should do it for their own sake, first and foremost, but I'm not sure there is a will for that. They need to figure out for themselves if they are a European, Eurasian or their own kind of civilization and there is a plurality of opinions about that. Frankly, I don't think outsiders such as Russia or China should be given much access or say over the EU market and politics unless they show long term amicability and fairness. They live by different rules.

    Yeah, a Russia that breeds a lot (non-dysgenically) and that is peaceful would be absolutely great! 🙂

     

    That would be heaven on earth. One can only dream. 🤍💙🤍

    And what’s wrong with spreading the Eastern (Russian) Orthodox message to more people?
     
    Frankly, I think it becomes less authentic if it's located outside of the traditional Orthodox space, but, ofc, there are Orthodox churches in the US and they seem to be doing fine.
    , @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    have stronger economies of scale
     
    Why do you continue writing this incorrect comment about "economies of scale". You are still writing this, after I already explained to you this is not a real concept.

    Almost all most successful countries have populations around 10 million people or less people.


    Russian) Orthodox message
     
    This is crazy. It's a dead religion for a century, possibly more. The proportion of religious orthodox people in Russia is between 0,5-2%. Church attendance is like 1,4%. These are mainly old people.

    And why would Africans want to immigrate to Russia. They want to immigrate to Europe.


    bout the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. This is
     
    It's one of the most dying regions, even in dying regions. Nobody wants to pay for such dying places, not even people near there like China, especially not Middle Eastern countries would invest there.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE3oKuq4Rt4

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1024. @German_reader
    @Hartnell


    Tell me, what’s the reason for this recent drive to the AfD?
     

    - Continuing mass immigration (110 000 new asylum applications just January-February this year), which is already straining the resources of many regions and towns to breaking point, yet total refusal by the establishment to take any measures that would limit the influx. Asylum seekers everywhere, even in the middle of nowhere (went to my high school reunion in rural Bavaria a few weeks ago, in a town of 6000, in the bus on the final stretch I was pretty much the only German). An endless litany of grotesque horror crimes committed by them. Continuing radicalization by the establishment, e. g. they want to make naturalization even easier (possible after only three years residence), and by now you're already declared an enemy of the constitution for stating that Germans exist as an ethnic group and it may not be ok to make them a minority in Germany. Anybody who isn't a moron can see that the governing parties are pursuing an ideological agenda to bring in as many foreigners as possible and naturalize them in record speed.
    - Another big issue are "Green" policies. There has been intense controversy over proposed legislation that would make oil and gas heating eventually illegal and force house owners to install heat pumps, burdening them with massive costs. Also plans by the EU to force investing in increased insulation on house owners. Coupled with a high tax burden, high energy prices and inflation it's hard not to feel they're intentionally trying to impoverish you.
    - Energy and economic policies are disastrous. The minister of the economy is a former writer of young adult novels who's installed a network of Green ideologues in his ministry. No real effort to do something against the increasing signs of de-industrialization of the German economy, instead focus on ever more regulation in service of the Green agenda...while shutting down the remaining nuclear power stations in the midst of an energy crisis and replacing them with coal plants...
    - Probably only a minor issue for most, but still indicative: Massive promotion of the LGBTQ agenda. The government has its own Queer commissioner who's attacking anybody voicing even slight criticism of the trans agenda.
    - Foreign policy that consists of a bizarre mixture of lecturing others ("feminist foreign policy", lol) and total servility towards the American hegemon. Hard not to feel that the government would prefer a permanent cover-up of the Nordstream agenda.

    Of course this is only my subjective view, but essentially: Germany is ruled by malicious ideologues who are pursuing deeply destructive policies, voting AfD is an act of self-defense.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    You know, if I myself lived in Germany, I might have very well voted for the AfD *if* it was actually more pro-Ukraine, similar to Giorgia Meloni’s nationalist party in Italy. I’m both pro-Ukraine and a critic of working-class Muslim and African immigration, especially into developed Western countries.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    No you are not.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1025. @Mikhail
    @German_reader

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1oBLM5BJ7E&t=1443s

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Alice W. is rather hott lol. Too bad that she’s a lesbian. 😉

  1026. @sudden death
    @Wokechoke

    btw, one more thing that would be hard to pick for Westerners in the movie - it's quite accurately full of native Belarus language.

    IIRC during the course of the WWII nearly 25% of prewar population vanished there, so Nazi occupation was also one of the main reasons why this place could be so thoroughly sovietized and linguisticaly russified after WWII as many rural native language speakers were straight out burned to the ground alive.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    I wanted to revisit your comment.

    The film clearly states it is happening in Belorussia at the start and at the End. 666 or thereabouts Villages burned in Belorussia, without trace.

    Couple of elements. The scene with the villagers herded into the unused church. I’m sure it happened. However please, it’s an equalisation with these Holocaust movies. The Germans even find a single Yiddish victim and toss him in with the Village Victims. The inside of the church is made to resemble a cinematic gas chamber. It’s very clever but once you see you can’t Unsee. Spielberg copied off this movie.

    I thought the depiction of scummy Hiwis (local volunteers) was interesting. Were they Ukies or Belorussians or Poles, or other Slavs or perhaps Balts? I noticed that one top brass, but, beautiful looking SS character was very Nordic, he was speaking German at the end under the bridge, but I got the point that he was not a German. He spoke clearly about how inferior races spread communism. A Swede eugenicist maybe? I can’t pick out the accents. The SS unit appeared to be Pan European. The crowd of partisans who shoot the surviving SS mostly Tartar looking.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Wokechoke

    At the time it became almost routine event at those geographical places, even non-Slavic Lithuania has one equivalent disastervillage:


    The village is known since 16th century, when Grand Dukes of Lithuania used it as hunting grounds. On June 3, 1944, a group of Nazi Germans were attacked by Soviet partisans in a nearby forest. The Germans sent a punishment squadron and burned alive almost all inhabitants of Pirčiupiai. On that day 119 people (including 49 children under age of 16) were killed and only 13 escaped from the Pirčiupiai massacre. The SS Commander Walter Titel of the 16th SS Police Regiment ordered that the civilians were burnt alive. The bodies were allowed to be buried only after a week on June 11, 1944.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pir%C4%8Diupiai

    https://www.tracesofwar.com/persons/14033/Titel-Walter.htm

    https://www.vle.lt/tmp/vle-images/127114_1.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  1027. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    You know, if I myself lived in Germany, I might have very well voted for the AfD *if* it was actually more pro-Ukraine, similar to Giorgia Meloni's nationalist party in Italy. I'm both pro-Ukraine and a critic of working-class Muslim and African immigration, especially into developed Western countries.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    No you are not.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    Why not?

  1028. @QCIC
    @Wokechoke

    Speak for yourself!

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Every dead American soldier gives Uncle Sam a windfall in Life Insurance policy. I shit you not.

  1029. @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    I wanted to revisit your comment.

    The film clearly states it is happening in Belorussia at the start and at the End. 666 or thereabouts Villages burned in Belorussia, without trace.

    Couple of elements. The scene with the villagers herded into the unused church. I’m sure it happened. However please, it’s an equalisation with these Holocaust movies. The Germans even find a single Yiddish victim and toss him in with the Village Victims. The inside of the church is made to resemble a cinematic gas chamber. It’s very clever but once you see you can’t Unsee. Spielberg copied off this movie.

    I thought the depiction of scummy Hiwis (local volunteers) was interesting. Were they Ukies or Belorussians or Poles, or other Slavs or perhaps Balts? I noticed that one top brass, but, beautiful looking SS character was very Nordic, he was speaking German at the end under the bridge, but I got the point that he was not a German. He spoke clearly about how inferior races spread communism. A Swede eugenicist maybe? I can’t pick out the accents. The SS unit appeared to be Pan European. The crowd of partisans who shoot the surviving SS mostly Tartar looking.

    Replies: @sudden death

    At the time it became almost routine event at those geographical places, even non-Slavic Lithuania has one equivalent disastervillage:

    The village is known since 16th century, when Grand Dukes of Lithuania used it as hunting grounds. On June 3, 1944, a group of Nazi Germans were attacked by Soviet partisans in a nearby forest. The Germans sent a punishment squadron and burned alive almost all inhabitants of Pirčiupiai. On that day 119 people (including 49 children under age of 16) were killed and only 13 escaped from the Pirčiupiai massacre. The SS Commander Walter Titel of the 16th SS Police Regiment ordered that the civilians were burnt alive. The bodies were allowed to be buried only after a week on June 11, 1944.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pir%C4%8Diupiai

    https://www.tracesofwar.com/persons/14033/Titel-Walter.htm

    • Thanks: LatW
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    I’m well aware of reprisal devillaging. Partisans really didn’t do anyone any favours.

    Replies: @sudden death

  1030. @AP
    @silviosilver


    For someone who routinely extols the virtues of the market economy over communism, you seem to have a bizarre understanding of its operation. If a private enterprise hires you to carry out some task, the working assumption (at least) ought to be that your employer perceives it as useful – else why in the world would they hire you to do it?
     
    Any system is inherently inefficient, and total efficiency is not ideal anyways. The market economy overall is far more efficient than was the commie word's economy, which is why materially life is far better in market economies. But within the context of the market economy, a little bit of "fat" is a good thing, a humane touch. I described the "office plankton" as semi useful, not totally useless (totally useless would be the DEI departments that many corporations now have - though I guess they are "useful" for marketing purposes by signaling to consumers that the company is progressive). Note that I never complained that they exist, I merely pointed out their existence. There is a place in society for such people.

    Employers aren’t omniscient. Bad business decisions which waste time and resources are very common
     
    Indeed. There are a lot of semi-useful people and positions in a market economy. Didn't Musk get rid of something like half of Twitter's staff, without much noticeable difference?

    And it’s supremely doubtful that you, when you were doing that work, were in any position to know whether the business was getting it wrong or right.
     
    When there is an economic slowdown or some such thing, many companies suddenly find that 10% or 30% of their workforce is expendable.

    That doesn't mean that every company ought to be cut throat all the time. These people have families, etc. There would be instability if every company was run with ruthless efficiency. It would also be immoral.

    "It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that."

    What a ludicrously high opinion you have of yourself
     
    Was what I said wrong? And where did I mention myself as being better or something? I don't measure worth that way. I was born with certain abilities (through no effort of my own, its genetic) that I leveraged into an advanced degree in a more lucrative field, choosing a specialty that enabled me not to work too hard either. Does that make me a better person than the one born without such gifts and who as a result must earn a living doing spreadsheets?

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    Was what I said wrong? And where did I mention myself as being better or something? I don’t measure worth that way. I was born with certain abilities (through no effort of my own, its genetic) that I leveraged into an advanced degree in a more lucrative field, choosing a specialty that enabled me not to work too hard either. Does that make me a better person than the one born without such gifts and who as a result must earn a living doing spreadsheets?

    Well, let’s see, would you ever describe yourself as plankton? If not, then you do indeed consider yourself vastly superior. I mean, dude, plankton – as though you couldn’t have possibly found a gentler way to put it. And why? For no other reason than the jobs they hold, as though that were the sole measure of any interest to anyone.

    Your criticism is silly even on its own terms. Oh those poor people, they’re not as brilliant and important to the world as me, so they’re forced to take clean, comfortable jobs with decent hours and plenty of room for advancement that would have been the envy of anyone born a hundred years earlier. How horribly some people live.

    • Replies: @AP
    @silviosilver


    Well, let’s see, would you ever describe yourself as plankton? If not, then you do indeed consider yourself vastly superior. I mean, dude, plankton – as though you couldn’t have possibly found a gentler way to put it. And why? For no other reason than the jobs they hold, as though that were the sole measure of any interest to anyone
     
    That's an accurate measure of the job though, isn't it? I was an office plankton too once. We all probably know people like that. There's a popular TV show with endearing office plankton.

    I was specifically making a comparison between jobs and describing their nature. There exist people who are smart enough to advance beyond secondary school but not far beyond that. These are some of the jobs such people do.

    Oh those poor people...so they’re forced to take clean, comfortable jobs with decent hours and plenty of room for advancement that would have been the envy of anyone born a hundred years earlier
     
    Indeed. An example of how the capitalist system is superior to the socialist one in the USSR in that our office plankton with degrees in business admin who don't do much live rather comfortable lives while their analogues with engineering pseudo-degrees in the USSR who also didn't do much, lived in squalor.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  1031. @Keypusher
    @Keypusher
    Dumb normie status confirmed. Go to Reddit

    No. Explain “Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America’s benevolent hegemony” is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.”

    Replies: @Yahya

    No. Explain “Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America’s benevolent hegemony” is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.”

    1) Correlation =/ causation. It is plausible that Germany would’ve developed all the same in a counterfactual where America was not hegemonic over Europe. War does necessarily inhibit development over the long-run, in fact sometimes is a spur. Germany already was among the first-rank economies in the world before American hegemony.

    2) Assuming American hegemony facilitated European prosperity, German_reader probably thinks the prosperity was not worth the demographic displacement. I don’t agree with his emphasis on American hegemony as being the key contributor to Europe’s demographic predicament (neither Israel nor Saudi Arabia nor Japan are facing same issues despite being under American umbrella), but it is reasonable to pin some blame on American ideas and influence for Western Europe’s demographic trajectory.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya

    Saudi Arabia did experience a lot of population replacement due to its oil boom, no? It's just that there, unlike in the West, this was not accompanied by the mass granting of Saudi citizenship to the immigrants or even their Saudi-born descendants, IIRC.

    Israel had a type of population replacement: Ashkenazi Jews from historically Catholic and Protestant Europe were partially replaced first by Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews and then by ex-USSR Jews and ex-USSR people of partial Jewish descent (and of course by some black Ethiopian Jews and black Ethiopians of Jewish descent as well).

    Replies: @Yahya

  1032. @sudden death
    @Wokechoke

    At the time it became almost routine event at those geographical places, even non-Slavic Lithuania has one equivalent disastervillage:


    The village is known since 16th century, when Grand Dukes of Lithuania used it as hunting grounds. On June 3, 1944, a group of Nazi Germans were attacked by Soviet partisans in a nearby forest. The Germans sent a punishment squadron and burned alive almost all inhabitants of Pirčiupiai. On that day 119 people (including 49 children under age of 16) were killed and only 13 escaped from the Pirčiupiai massacre. The SS Commander Walter Titel of the 16th SS Police Regiment ordered that the civilians were burnt alive. The bodies were allowed to be buried only after a week on June 11, 1944.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pir%C4%8Diupiai

    https://www.tracesofwar.com/persons/14033/Titel-Walter.htm

    https://www.vle.lt/tmp/vle-images/127114_1.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    I’m well aware of reprisal devillaging. Partisans really didn’t do anyone any favours.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Wokechoke

    It should be mentioned though that noble Soviet partisans on occasion were not very hesitant to do relatively similar stuff too, but it is swept under the rug due PC reasons, especially when such names as Yitzhak Arad might potentially be involved too:


    The Koniuchy massacre (Polish: Zbrodnia w Koniuchach) or the Kaniūkai massacre (Lithuanian: Kaniūkų žudynės) was a World War II massacre of civilians, mostly women and children,carried out in the village of Koniuchy (now Kaniūkai, Lithuania) on 29 January 1944 by a Soviet partisan unit together with a contingent of Jewish partisans under Soviet command. At least 38 civilians who have been identified by name were killed, and more than a dozen were injured. In addition, houses were burned and livestock was slaughtered. It was the largest atrocity committed by the Soviet partisans in present-day Lithuania.
    ................................................................
    According to the census, carried out in August 1942 in Generalbezirk Litauen, the village had 374 people – 41 of them declared their nationality as Lithuanians, 17 as Poles, and the rest chose ambiguous "of Lithuania". Polish and Lithuanian authors disagree whether the village and the victims should be considered Polish or Lithuanian. Sometimes the victims are also described as Belarusian.

    Soviet partisans became more active in the area in 1943. Koniuchy is located at the edge of the Rudniki Forest (now Rūdininkai Forest [lt]), where partisan groups, both Soviet and Jewish, set up bases from which they attacked the German forces.The local Soviet partisans were commanded by Genrikas Zimanas [lt] and were subordinated to the Lithuanian section of the Central Headquarters of the Partisan Movement in Moscow chaired by Antanas Sniečkus. Starting in fall 1943, Soviet partisans were cut off from supplies from the Soviet Union. As per directives from Moscow, they were allowed to confiscate material goods from their opponents, and execute them. Unlike Polish partisans of Armia Krajowa (Home Army), these partisans did not enjoy widespread local support and could not depend on voluntary food contributions from local farmers. Therefore, Soviet partisans regularly raided nearby villages to rob the locals of food stock, cattle, and clothing.This raiding led to clashes between the farmers and the partisans. In response, German administration deployed Lithuanian Auxiliary Police Battalions in the area and provided weapons to self-defence units organized by villagers. This led to increased three-way hostilities between the Soviet partisans, Polish partisans, and Lithuanian police, with local residents caught in the middle and subject to arbitrary executions by any one of the three sides if suspected of aiding the "wrong" side.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koniuchy_massacre
  1033. @S
    The subject of Prigozhin has been put on ice (for the moment) and it's back to UFO hysteria. They are now reporting heavily on a nearly six week old event in Las Vegas where a family reported aliens in their backyard after a shooting star was seen.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/crashed-las-vegas-ufo-witness-174735392.html

    While I believe there probably is other life outside of our solar system, I am quite leery (due to the context) of the present day claims of ET visitation.

    In this regard, people might recall a 1963 episode of the Outer Limits where a group of progressive scientists, for everyone else's own good (naturally!), fake an alien invasion of the Earth in an attempt to bring about world peace.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Architects_of_Fear

    Ultimately their plan fails spectacularly and people are hurt. The viewer is then admonished that honesty in life really is the best policy.

    Indeed!

    'This man-made monster!'

    https://youtu.be/iSuVaomXW8g


    'Men like you using tricks..'

    https://youtu.be/fh7hqOkfzas

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The top brass in the Russian Military have put that kike in a box. Big Mouthed fucking grandstander.

  1034. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    No you are not.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Why not?

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
  1035. @Yahya
    @Keypusher


    No. Explain “Just look at how good the former Axis powers have it under America’s benevolent hegemony” is really one of the dumbest normie takes imaginable.”
     
    1) Correlation =/ causation. It is plausible that Germany would’ve developed all the same in a counterfactual where America was not hegemonic over Europe. War does necessarily inhibit development over the long-run, in fact sometimes is a spur. Germany already was among the first-rank economies in the world before American hegemony.

    2) Assuming American hegemony facilitated European prosperity, German_reader probably thinks the prosperity was not worth the demographic displacement. I don’t agree with his emphasis on American hegemony as being the key contributor to Europe’s demographic predicament (neither Israel nor Saudi Arabia nor Japan are facing same issues despite being under American umbrella), but it is reasonable to pin some blame on American ideas and influence for Western Europe’s demographic trajectory.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Saudi Arabia did experience a lot of population replacement due to its oil boom, no? It’s just that there, unlike in the West, this was not accompanied by the mass granting of Saudi citizenship to the immigrants or even their Saudi-born descendants, IIRC.

    Israel had a type of population replacement: Ashkenazi Jews from historically Catholic and Protestant Europe were partially replaced first by Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews and then by ex-USSR Jews and ex-USSR people of partial Jewish descent (and of course by some black Ethiopian Jews and black Ethiopians of Jewish descent as well).

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Mr. XYZ


    Saudi Arabia did experience a lot of population replacement due to its oil boom, no?
     
    No.

    It’s just that there, unlike in the West, this was not accompanied by the mass granting of Saudi citizenship to the immigrants or even their Saudi-born descendants, IIRC.
     
    That’s the key.

    Israel had a type of population replacement: Ashkenazi Jews
     
    Yes, but Jews being replaced by Jews is different than Germans being replaced by Muslims.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1036. @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya

    Saudi Arabia did experience a lot of population replacement due to its oil boom, no? It's just that there, unlike in the West, this was not accompanied by the mass granting of Saudi citizenship to the immigrants or even their Saudi-born descendants, IIRC.

    Israel had a type of population replacement: Ashkenazi Jews from historically Catholic and Protestant Europe were partially replaced first by Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews and then by ex-USSR Jews and ex-USSR people of partial Jewish descent (and of course by some black Ethiopian Jews and black Ethiopians of Jewish descent as well).

    Replies: @Yahya

    Saudi Arabia did experience a lot of population replacement due to its oil boom, no?

    No.

    It’s just that there, unlike in the West, this was not accompanied by the mass granting of Saudi citizenship to the immigrants or even their Saudi-born descendants, IIRC.

    That’s the key.

    Israel had a type of population replacement: Ashkenazi Jews

    Yes, but Jews being replaced by Jews is different than Germans being replaced by Muslims.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya


    That’s the key.
     
    Well, are they expected to eventually leave, or do they just stick around there eventually, with them only being deported if they actually agitate in favor of revolution?

    I suspect that open borders proponents such as Bryan Caplan would view such a model for the West as being superior to the status quo. Of course, this would not prevent Muslim guest workers from murdering Westerners (or East Asians, I guess) over Islamophobic speech, which is the problem with Caplan's proposal as applied to Muslims without strong selection.

    Yes, but Jews being replaced by Jews is different than Germans being replaced by Muslims.
     
    Very true, though it's worth noting that the more conservative and religious Israelis don't actually view all of the recent ex-USSR immigrants to Israel as actually being sufficiently Jewish. This is why Israel recently had attempts at stupid moves such as this:

    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-736186

    It didn't pass yet, and hopefully won't ever actually pass, but it just shows that Israeli tolerance for the new arrivals isn't actually universal, even if they are of Jewish descent, since sometimes their Jewish descent is on the "wrong" side of their family tree. One ideally shouldn't care about this, but unfortunately, a lot of nationalistic and religious Israeli Jews very much do care about this. :(

    But Yes, certainly much better to have this kind of replacement, or even the US version of replacement which is primarily geared towards Hispanics and Asians, than being replaced by working-class Muslims and Africans. The latter should especially be resisted if one's country is not already heavily Muslim-majority.

    Muslim population replacement in some of the duller European countries might have worked had Muslims not been so culturally incompatible with the existing populations of these countries, due to the widespread Muslim tendency towards radicalism, supporting murdering people over Islamophobic speech, et cetera. Thus even duller European countries such as Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia, et cetera are better-off being replaced by Hindus or Sikhs or Thais or Vietnamese or Filipinos than being replaced by Muslims.

    I greatly admire Muslims (and others) who seek to reform and improve their faith/religion for the better. But unfortunately, there is still a huge amount of religious radicalism right now, especially but not only (ex.: extremely visceral and violent Ugandan Christian homophobia) among Muslims.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Yahya

  1037. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    Are you suggesting that somehow at the end of WWI, if Russia had wrested away Eastern Galicia from Poland, would Ukrainians be grateful? I never thought about that. I don't think that Russia in whatever form that it found itself in at the end of WWI would do something like that, it already had enough on its plate to deal with, especially to help solidify Ukrainian statehood. We can see what happened about 20 years later after WWII. It would probably would have had a similar outcome then as it did after WWII. Why do you ask?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Hackster, I have now replied to you at the very start of the new open thread.

    BTW, you don’t mind it if I call you Hackster, right?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    With a self chosen pseudonym like "Mr. Hack" does it look like I'm particularly sensitive?

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/pcUAAOSwu6xjL5Bw/s-l960.jpg

  1038. @silviosilver
    @LatW


    Instilling patriotism is good, but not indoctrinating kids to grow up to want to kill their neighbors by default (as is the case with those kids in the video).
     
    I didn't watch the video. Although I replied to Bash's post, I was actually responding to Dmitry's claim that parents who dress their kids in uniforms are unfit for parenthood (a post which Bash hit "AGREE" on).

    I don't think it's difficult to maintain a distinction between instilling an awareness of (and pride and respect for) the necessity of armed defence and instilling a hatred of neighbors. The former is quite compatible with teaching respect for, and even appreciation of, neighboring peoples.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    When I was a kid we often played at being at war with some other group of kids. Plastic machine guns, plastic or metallic pistols, water guns when in summer (actually self made guns equivalent made of plastic bottles – брызгалки), snowballs in winter. It’s normal and healthy. Then as I grew up, we started playing harder, using slingshots and self-made pneumatic guns (духовушки). These shot small screws or small ball bearing balls propelled by the air pushing a small lump of playdoh. It was dangerous, it could seriously hurt someone, perhaps poke out an eye. We used to shoot it at the road signs and the thick glass made bus stops, but we also shot it at the kids from the ennemy gang. Once one of our kids got seriously wounded, it took a couple of weeks to heal. By the second half of my teenage years, some neighborhood kids got involved with local gangs (конторы/бригады). It was a time when the Lubertsy (a Moscow suburb) gangs were wreaking havoc not only in Moscow but even as far as Tallinn and Saint-Petersburg. The older teenage kids fought with chains and rebar, the fashion was to wear a Soviet army belt with a heavy metallic buckle, it could be used to hit someone if attacked. It was also the time when Punks and Metalheads appeared in USSR, and they also used to fight each other. It was actually really a violent atmosphere, you could be beat up because you were from the “wrong ” neighborhood or just because you were wearing a heavy metal band t-shirt or a punk band t-shirt or because you weren’t wearing one of these and were dressed in an average outfit. And it was okay, it was pure adrenaline and testosterone, but it was genuine grassroots teenage fashion. It was not linked with state ideology or some historical grievances. Boys be boys and kids be kids, but we should keep them away from any ideological indoctrination.

    • Replies: @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    It was also the time when Punks and Metalheads appeared in USSR, and they also used to fight each other. It was actually really a violent atmosphere, you could be beat up because you were from the “wrong ” neighborhood or just because you were wearing a heavy metal band t-shirt or a punk band t-shirt...
     
    I'd never heard of that before. That is interesting.

    Sounds something like the 'troubles' between the 'Mods' and 'Rockers' in Britain during the 1960's.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mods_and_rockers

    Punks and Metelheads, Mods and Rockers...Who says AK's old site is an intellectual wasteland!

    There's no question, really, one couldn't pay to get this sort of an education anywhere else, even if they tried. ;-)
  1039. @Wokechoke
    @QCIC

    Here’s what the Hoover institute reacently pushed in their Steven Kotkin interview.

    Crimea and Donbas are officially ceded to Russia. The Ukies join the EU and get to buy all the German American and British equipment they want.

    This seems like the likely end point either way.


    I’d guess that the pipelines going through Poland and Ukraine are going to be dismantled though. No fee for having the pipe go through territory anymore.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I believe Hoover thinks this is the endpoint, but what would make Russia accept this arrangement?

    From what little information I can glean,

    -Russian conventional military capability is gradually improving in real time, with improved hardware, manpower, training and leadership.

    -The Russian economy is fairly stable and is gradually moving to a permanent non-Dollar paradigm.

    -General popular sentiment toward the war is gradually becoming more accepting of the necessity of the SMO, with more people recognizing that the situation in Ukraine represents a serious attack on Russians by the West.

    Russia still has lots of NeoNazi’s and foreign mercenaries to hunt down. Why would they stop when continuing makes everything better?

    While the combat continues, Russia is probably slowly stabilizing the situation in the newly repatriated areas and establishing rock solid security. Once they have choked this down, why wouldn’t they continue this process with Kharkov, Odessa, Dnipro and Zaporozhye?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @QCIC

    They've shown their gear is good enough to sell internationally now. Suddenly the T90 and t14 look like a good deal.

  1040. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @Hartnell
    I must confess that the more I see events on the ground and the way the world is heading in, the more I realise that atomised individualism, globalism, AI and mass miscegenation is the wave of the future and it cannot be in fact be halted. I do feel that the current events in Europe really is a last battle between the nation state and the global state.

    If America is victorious, then it can pretty much impose it's totalitarian agenda on the entire world. There will be no more competition left. I suspect Iran will collapse in a revolution at some point and both India and China will toe the line. They are dependant really on America and they know it. If America shut down it's cheap labour convoy with China, well it would heavily pound the nation into economic irrelevance. Russia I don't want to get into but Putin is right. Uncle Sam does seek to destroy that country and will tolerate no more opposition to it's global agenda.

    Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, all will become irrelevant as the masses of the third world descend upon them for cheap labour. Perhaps they might get lucky and use AI to solve their labour problems but that might take a while and there is millions of Africans that need a new home.

    The entire millennial generation across the world (with the exception of Afghanistan and Israel) are now de facto liberal. They grew up on American entertainment, listened to American songs and played American video games. It's only the boomers from these nations that grew up. In a different era that are opposed to this Americanism. The millennials will quite happily build a new global order because differences between the high IQs is very minute. Of course you have the lower IQs that still have differences but it matters not as the high IQs are fully globalised, international and universal.

    It's been a realisation I have tried to fight for so long but now it hits me. There is no going back. We will have a global society whether we want it or not and nothing will stop it.

    I predict an AI run global Brazil by the end of the century with a paler mixed race upper class lording it over the dark mixed underclass.

    It is a depressing thought but with birth rates continuing to drop, there is no future for nation states and instead high IQs will most likely mix with other high IQs regardless of national identity.

    A sad fate of the world to be sure but one that is inevitable.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @German_reader, @china-russia-all-the-way, @S

    If America shut down it’s cheap labour convoy with China, well it would heavily pound the nation into economic irrelevance.

    The Chinese economy is different in 2023 compared to 2010. China moved from cheap manufacturing to tech competition with the US.

    Factory wages are a lot higher and Chinese exports are composed of advanced products from chemicals to cars rather than toys and textiles.

    Last month, the homegrown COMAC c919 narrowbody passenger jet entered into commercial service. Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation of China is not at the cutting edge of chip production but pretty advanced with mass production of 14nm. It will take a maximum 15 years and China will have caught up to to the US and allies in all major technologies including aviation and chips.

    A political and economic combination of China and Russia can resist American cultural hegemony. America is still the sole superpower and inspires high end immigration from around the world. However, what will America be like in 2050 when it is 40% white?

    China and Russia can make it as most of the rest of the world crumbles by standing firm together. However, as noted by Karlin recently, China has been a poor ally over the past year even without considering lack of aid for the Russian war effort. Construction of the Power of Siberia-2 pipeline has stalled while the Central Asia pipeline to Turkmenistan is being expanded. Both projects should be under construction but China is pursuing price negotiation with way too much insistence. I can’t understand the calculation behind squeezing Russia for a better price on gas. A strong Russia = a strong China.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    I think the Chinese believe that they would win whatever the outcome. If Russia wins (unlikely), then NATO gets a "bloody nose" via Ukrainian proxy and US is humbled down. If Russia loses, then China can bargain down Russian ressources and take away forever the former Russian sphere of influence in Central Asia (already happening). Also perhaps the Chinese understand that in a few years the West will be way weaker than it is today. The Chinese are also playing the European divisions between the hardcore anti-Chinese and those who are pragmatic. Going in full support of RusFed would consolidate the anti-Chinese sentiment in the EU. China wants EU, especially Germany as a friend, Russia is somewhat expendable in its current state into which the Noviop have put it.

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way

  1041. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @Hartnell


    If America shut down it’s cheap labour convoy with China, well it would heavily pound the nation into economic irrelevance.
     
    The Chinese economy is different in 2023 compared to 2010. China moved from cheap manufacturing to tech competition with the US.

    https://www.economist.com/img/b/400/436/90/media-assets/image/20230225_WBC032.png

    Factory wages are a lot higher and Chinese exports are composed of advanced products from chemicals to cars rather than toys and textiles.

    Last month, the homegrown COMAC c919 narrowbody passenger jet entered into commercial service. Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation of China is not at the cutting edge of chip production but pretty advanced with mass production of 14nm. It will take a maximum 15 years and China will have caught up to to the US and allies in all major technologies including aviation and chips.

    A political and economic combination of China and Russia can resist American cultural hegemony. America is still the sole superpower and inspires high end immigration from around the world. However, what will America be like in 2050 when it is 40% white?

    China and Russia can make it as most of the rest of the world crumbles by standing firm together. However, as noted by Karlin recently, China has been a poor ally over the past year even without considering lack of aid for the Russian war effort. Construction of the Power of Siberia-2 pipeline has stalled while the Central Asia pipeline to Turkmenistan is being expanded. Both projects should be under construction but China is pursuing price negotiation with way too much insistence. I can't understand the calculation behind squeezing Russia for a better price on gas. A strong Russia = a strong China.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I think the Chinese believe that they would win whatever the outcome. If Russia wins (unlikely), then NATO gets a “bloody nose” via Ukrainian proxy and US is humbled down. If Russia loses, then China can bargain down Russian ressources and take away forever the former Russian sphere of influence in Central Asia (already happening). Also perhaps the Chinese understand that in a few years the West will be way weaker than it is today. The Chinese are also playing the European divisions between the hardcore anti-Chinese and those who are pragmatic. Going in full support of RusFed would consolidate the anti-Chinese sentiment in the EU. China wants EU, especially Germany as a friend, Russia is somewhat expendable in its current state into which the Noviop have put it.

    • Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way
    @Ivashka the fool


    I think the Chinese believe that they would win whatever the outcome.
     
    No way. If Russia loses then we are in danger of being completely encircled. We are as of now half encircled but with unity of Russia have security over the Eurasian land mass. China + Russia + Central Asia + Iran + North Korea + Pakisan + Russia's restraining influence and arms sales to India and Vietnam.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1042. @Yahya
    @Mr. XYZ


    Saudi Arabia did experience a lot of population replacement due to its oil boom, no?
     
    No.

    It’s just that there, unlike in the West, this was not accompanied by the mass granting of Saudi citizenship to the immigrants or even their Saudi-born descendants, IIRC.
     
    That’s the key.

    Israel had a type of population replacement: Ashkenazi Jews
     
    Yes, but Jews being replaced by Jews is different than Germans being replaced by Muslims.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    That’s the key.

    Well, are they expected to eventually leave, or do they just stick around there eventually, with them only being deported if they actually agitate in favor of revolution?

    I suspect that open borders proponents such as Bryan Caplan would view such a model for the West as being superior to the status quo. Of course, this would not prevent Muslim guest workers from murdering Westerners (or East Asians, I guess) over Islamophobic speech, which is the problem with Caplan’s proposal as applied to Muslims without strong selection.

    Yes, but Jews being replaced by Jews is different than Germans being replaced by Muslims.

    Very true, though it’s worth noting that the more conservative and religious Israelis don’t actually view all of the recent ex-USSR immigrants to Israel as actually being sufficiently Jewish. This is why Israel recently had attempts at stupid moves such as this:

    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-736186

    It didn’t pass yet, and hopefully won’t ever actually pass, but it just shows that Israeli tolerance for the new arrivals isn’t actually universal, even if they are of Jewish descent, since sometimes their Jewish descent is on the “wrong” side of their family tree. One ideally shouldn’t care about this, but unfortunately, a lot of nationalistic and religious Israeli Jews very much do care about this. 🙁

    But Yes, certainly much better to have this kind of replacement, or even the US version of replacement which is primarily geared towards Hispanics and Asians, than being replaced by working-class Muslims and Africans. The latter should especially be resisted if one’s country is not already heavily Muslim-majority.

    Muslim population replacement in some of the duller European countries might have worked had Muslims not been so culturally incompatible with the existing populations of these countries, due to the widespread Muslim tendency towards radicalism, supporting murdering people over Islamophobic speech, et cetera. Thus even duller European countries such as Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia, et cetera are better-off being replaced by Hindus or Sikhs or Thais or Vietnamese or Filipinos than being replaced by Muslims.

    I greatly admire Muslims (and others) who seek to reform and improve their faith/religion for the better. But unfortunately, there is still a huge amount of religious radicalism right now, especially but not only (ex.: extremely visceral and violent Ugandan Christian homophobia) among Muslims.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Mr. XYZ


    (ex.: extremely visceral and violent Ugandan Christian homophobia).
     
    This + earlier prurient interest in trans "attractiveness" = total faggot detected.

    Political divorce now.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Yahya
    @Mr. XYZ


    Well, are they expected to eventually leave, or do they just stick around there eventually, with them only being deported if they actually agitate in favor of revolution?
     
    They are expected to leave, and are deported promptly if they overstay. The notion of foreign workers in Saudi Arabia throwing a revolt, or even demanding political rights, is comical. Most of them arrive with full knowledge that the Saudi state has no intention of handing out citizenship. They are there to earn higher wages than can be found in their home countries, send remittances, and then leave when the iqama permit is up. Most guest workers are only granted short-term residence permits, typically under the kafala system (sponsorship by a Saudi national). But even the long-term workers do not have any expectations of being granted citizenship.

    It’s fairly easy for a high-income country to utilize guest workers without committing demographic suicide. It’s actually as simple as passing a law that mandates citizenship is only given through paternal lineage (i.e. father has to be Saudi). Also a basic governmental and cultural commitment that guest workers are strictly temporary in nature. The West is messed up because of the bizarre notion that foreign workers are entitled to eventual citizenship; and that not giving them political rights is a moral transgression.


    But Yes, certainly much better to have this kind of replacement, or even the US version of replacement which is primarily geared towards Hispanics and Asians, than being replaced by working-class Muslims and Africans. The latter should especially be resisted if one’s country is not already heavily Muslim-majority.
     
    It’s true that Hispanic and Asian migration to the US has not been catastrophic, and in fact was economically beneficial, net, over the short-run for the American nation (some working class Americans had their wages depressed, but the net effect has been positive due to comparative advantage-incuded gains in productivity).

    But, when it comes to migration and fertility, you also need to be thinking about their impact on racial, cultural and institutional quality over the long-run. It is not wise to merely cite the temporary economic benefits of mass migration. I’m sure the Ancient Egyptians had good economic reasons for importing Nubian slave workers, but it has been catastrophic for Egyptian racial quality over the long-term. The Ancients shafted their descendants for a few pounds more of bread (although they did leave us some revenue-generating Pyramids, so I cut them some slack).

    The cultural and institutional arguments against mass immigration have already been made by mainstream conservative thinkers, so I won’t delve into them here. But the racial quality aspect is severely neglected, because of the offensive nature of this kind of discussion. The sensitivity however does not detract from its importance. Simply put, whenever multiple groups live within the same polity for a prolonged period of time, they inevitably mix and homogenize into a single genetic pool. Examples abound across time and continents: Egypt, Tajikistan, Mexico, Serbia etc. There is one notable exception to this rule - the caste-based society of India - but that is a remarkably unusual phenomena.

    You therefore need to think about how this admixture process will affect racial quality over the long-run. Ideally, you’d want your group’s genetic quality to be preserved, and even elevated. You do not want it to be diminished. The chief racial characteristics to look for are the ones I mentioned in my response to Beckowski: 1) intellect, 2) phenotype, 3) toughness, 4) refinement. Ultimately it is the first two factors which are incredibly critical. Toughness and refinement are predominantly culturally-mediated; but intelligence and phenotype are heavily genetic in basis. Once the genetic code is altered, there is little coming back. Some future advancements in genetic engineering technology may alter this reality, but it’s prudent imo not to rely on future tech to fix problems. A wiser approach is to avoid making mistakes in the first place. In the words of Ben Franklin: “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound in cure”.

    There are other desirable personal qualities such as judgement, self-discipline, humor, industriousness, creativity, integrity, memory, eloquence, musical aptitude etc. which can be taken into assessment when making immigration decisions, but it is difficult to measure these qualities on a racial level using the scientific method. Again, it really boils down to intelligence and phenotype, which are readily observable and decently measurable. Ideally, you’d want an immigration system which only admits scientists and beauty queens. That is incidentally the path that was outlined by the late Francis Galton some 140 years ago. I recommend his book Inquiries into Human Faculty and Its Development for a more comprehensive treatment of the racial quality question.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1043. @QCIC
    @Wokechoke

    I believe Hoover thinks this is the endpoint, but what would make Russia accept this arrangement?

    From what little information I can glean,

    -Russian conventional military capability is gradually improving in real time, with improved hardware, manpower, training and leadership.

    -The Russian economy is fairly stable and is gradually moving to a permanent non-Dollar paradigm.

    -General popular sentiment toward the war is gradually becoming more accepting of the necessity of the SMO, with more people recognizing that the situation in Ukraine represents a serious attack on Russians by the West.

    Russia still has lots of NeoNazi's and foreign mercenaries to hunt down. Why would they stop when continuing makes everything better?

    While the combat continues, Russia is probably slowly stabilizing the situation in the newly repatriated areas and establishing rock solid security. Once they have choked this down, why wouldn't they continue this process with Kharkov, Odessa, Dnipro and Zaporozhye?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    They’ve shown their gear is good enough to sell internationally now. Suddenly the T90 and t14 look like a good deal.

  1044. @AP
    @silviosilver


    For someone who routinely extols the virtues of the market economy over communism, you seem to have a bizarre understanding of its operation. If a private enterprise hires you to carry out some task, the working assumption (at least) ought to be that your employer perceives it as useful – else why in the world would they hire you to do it?
     
    Any system is inherently inefficient, and total efficiency is not ideal anyways. The market economy overall is far more efficient than was the commie word's economy, which is why materially life is far better in market economies. But within the context of the market economy, a little bit of "fat" is a good thing, a humane touch. I described the "office plankton" as semi useful, not totally useless (totally useless would be the DEI departments that many corporations now have - though I guess they are "useful" for marketing purposes by signaling to consumers that the company is progressive). Note that I never complained that they exist, I merely pointed out their existence. There is a place in society for such people.

    Employers aren’t omniscient. Bad business decisions which waste time and resources are very common
     
    Indeed. There are a lot of semi-useful people and positions in a market economy. Didn't Musk get rid of something like half of Twitter's staff, without much noticeable difference?

    And it’s supremely doubtful that you, when you were doing that work, were in any position to know whether the business was getting it wrong or right.
     
    When there is an economic slowdown or some such thing, many companies suddenly find that 10% or 30% of their workforce is expendable.

    That doesn't mean that every company ought to be cut throat all the time. These people have families, etc. There would be instability if every company was run with ruthless efficiency. It would also be immoral.

    "It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that."

    What a ludicrously high opinion you have of yourself
     
    Was what I said wrong? And where did I mention myself as being better or something? I don't measure worth that way. I was born with certain abilities (through no effort of my own, its genetic) that I leveraged into an advanced degree in a more lucrative field, choosing a specialty that enabled me not to work too hard either. Does that make me a better person than the one born without such gifts and who as a result must earn a living doing spreadsheets?

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    (totally useless would be the DEI departments that many corporations now have – though I guess they are “useful” for marketing purposes by signaling to consumers that the company is progressive).

    Their main value is in terms of positive PR. Though honestly if the public wasn’t obsessed with this, these departments can be massively trimmed. How about just an office to find and recruit aspiring potential talent, especially with unique life stories? That would achieve much the same goal but at a lower cost, I suspect.

  1045. AP says:
    @silviosilver
    @AP


    Was what I said wrong? And where did I mention myself as being better or something? I don’t measure worth that way. I was born with certain abilities (through no effort of my own, its genetic) that I leveraged into an advanced degree in a more lucrative field, choosing a specialty that enabled me not to work too hard either. Does that make me a better person than the one born without such gifts and who as a result must earn a living doing spreadsheets?
     
    Well, let's see, would you ever describe yourself as plankton? If not, then you do indeed consider yourself vastly superior. I mean, dude, plankton - as though you couldn't have possibly found a gentler way to put it. And why? For no other reason than the jobs they hold, as though that were the sole measure of any interest to anyone.

    Your criticism is silly even on its own terms. Oh those poor people, they're not as brilliant and important to the world as me, so they're forced to take clean, comfortable jobs with decent hours and plenty of room for advancement that would have been the envy of anyone born a hundred years earlier. How horribly some people live.

    Replies: @AP

    Well, let’s see, would you ever describe yourself as plankton? If not, then you do indeed consider yourself vastly superior. I mean, dude, plankton – as though you couldn’t have possibly found a gentler way to put it. And why? For no other reason than the jobs they hold, as though that were the sole measure of any interest to anyone

    That’s an accurate measure of the job though, isn’t it? I was an office plankton too once. We all probably know people like that. There’s a popular TV show with endearing office plankton.

    I was specifically making a comparison between jobs and describing their nature. There exist people who are smart enough to advance beyond secondary school but not far beyond that. These are some of the jobs such people do.

    Oh those poor people…so they’re forced to take clean, comfortable jobs with decent hours and plenty of room for advancement that would have been the envy of anyone born a hundred years earlier

    Indeed. An example of how the capitalist system is superior to the socialist one in the USSR in that our office plankton with degrees in business admin who don’t do much live rather comfortable lives while their analogues with engineering pseudo-degrees in the USSR who also didn’t do much, lived in squalor.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AP

    Very well then. I'll retract the accusation that you intended to demean people who could do no better than a lower tier office job of questionable economic value. Happy to know I got you wrong.

  1046. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    I think the Chinese believe that they would win whatever the outcome. If Russia wins (unlikely), then NATO gets a "bloody nose" via Ukrainian proxy and US is humbled down. If Russia loses, then China can bargain down Russian ressources and take away forever the former Russian sphere of influence in Central Asia (already happening). Also perhaps the Chinese understand that in a few years the West will be way weaker than it is today. The Chinese are also playing the European divisions between the hardcore anti-Chinese and those who are pragmatic. Going in full support of RusFed would consolidate the anti-Chinese sentiment in the EU. China wants EU, especially Germany as a friend, Russia is somewhat expendable in its current state into which the Noviop have put it.

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way

    I think the Chinese believe that they would win whatever the outcome.

    No way. If Russia loses then we are in danger of being completely encircled. We are as of now half encircled but with unity of Russia have security over the Eurasian land mass. China + Russia + Central Asia + Iran + North Korea + Pakisan + Russia’s restraining influence and arms sales to India and Vietnam.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    You forgot to mention Afghanistan here. The Taliban will ensure that this new Eurasian bloc will be super-based, which would be funny if it wasn't so tragic due to the Taliban's extreme brutality.

  1047. @songbird
    Can anyone recommend a good book about the Warring States period in Japan?

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I recommend reading the Japanese wiki with DeepL (or ChatGPT). Is there a reason that you are interested in the Japanese period with borrowed nomenclature over the Chinese one?

    戦国時代(せんごくじだい)Sengoku jidai is rather like HRE with many statelets. The Chinese Warring States period is more relevant for the present:

    The PRC strategy is partly borrowed from Qin 秦 of the seven Warring States– the six other states formed a nominal alliance against Qin, similar to G7 being allied against PRC.

    But Qin picked apart the alliance by forming bilateral alliances with four of the six states– similar to PRC being presently the top trade partner of US, Japan, and Germany.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Been watching the old TV miniseries Shogun, and it made me realize my ignorance of some of these major figures that the Japanese are always referencing like Nobunaga. Plus, I have a general interest in the workings of feudalism, and the transitions of ages.

    Also, I wanted to test out some things that I assume Clavell (who wrote the novel) said. Like that Japan was a country with (IIRC, could be misremembering) "800 years of civil war." (Or maybe it was 600). Seems to be somewhat false. Thought Heian period was relatively peaceful.

    And also the idea that Japan was, on a certain level, for practical purposes, a country without the wheel. I.e., one of the characters said only the emperor was permitted to use it on roads.

    , @nebulafox
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    >戦国時代(せんごくじだい)Sengoku jidai is rather like HRE with many statelets.

    That's an interesting comparison, particularly for the 30 year's war era HRE. Even the religious element caused by the beginnings of globalization is there.

    You have any resources for ancient Chinese history? Pretty much everything I know is post-Sui/Tang, and it's really causing problems at this point.

    Also, never did thank you for wishing me well earlier. So: thanks.

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  1048. @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya


    That’s the key.
     
    Well, are they expected to eventually leave, or do they just stick around there eventually, with them only being deported if they actually agitate in favor of revolution?

    I suspect that open borders proponents such as Bryan Caplan would view such a model for the West as being superior to the status quo. Of course, this would not prevent Muslim guest workers from murdering Westerners (or East Asians, I guess) over Islamophobic speech, which is the problem with Caplan's proposal as applied to Muslims without strong selection.

    Yes, but Jews being replaced by Jews is different than Germans being replaced by Muslims.
     
    Very true, though it's worth noting that the more conservative and religious Israelis don't actually view all of the recent ex-USSR immigrants to Israel as actually being sufficiently Jewish. This is why Israel recently had attempts at stupid moves such as this:

    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-736186

    It didn't pass yet, and hopefully won't ever actually pass, but it just shows that Israeli tolerance for the new arrivals isn't actually universal, even if they are of Jewish descent, since sometimes their Jewish descent is on the "wrong" side of their family tree. One ideally shouldn't care about this, but unfortunately, a lot of nationalistic and religious Israeli Jews very much do care about this. :(

    But Yes, certainly much better to have this kind of replacement, or even the US version of replacement which is primarily geared towards Hispanics and Asians, than being replaced by working-class Muslims and Africans. The latter should especially be resisted if one's country is not already heavily Muslim-majority.

    Muslim population replacement in some of the duller European countries might have worked had Muslims not been so culturally incompatible with the existing populations of these countries, due to the widespread Muslim tendency towards radicalism, supporting murdering people over Islamophobic speech, et cetera. Thus even duller European countries such as Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia, et cetera are better-off being replaced by Hindus or Sikhs or Thais or Vietnamese or Filipinos than being replaced by Muslims.

    I greatly admire Muslims (and others) who seek to reform and improve their faith/religion for the better. But unfortunately, there is still a huge amount of religious radicalism right now, especially but not only (ex.: extremely visceral and violent Ugandan Christian homophobia) among Muslims.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Yahya

    (ex.: extremely visceral and violent Ugandan Christian homophobia).

    This + earlier prurient interest in trans “attractiveness” = total faggot detected.

    Political divorce now.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver

    I find women such as this:

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/couple-kissing-in-the-sea-stock-footage/473405929?adppopup=true

    And this attractive:

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/female-beach-volleyball-player-diving-for-the-ball-stock-video-footage/137364898?adppopup=true

    But I also enjoy fapping to photos of Doris Day such as this one while imaging her as an old feminine guy:

    https://footwearnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/doris-day-1973.jpg

    And of course male-to-female crossdressers such as this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2JzUlr3Ki4&t=223s

    And the occasional tastiness such as this:

    https://nitter.1d4.us/dawnxmode

    Don't worry; he's 18+!

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  1049. @silviosilver
    @Mr. XYZ


    (ex.: extremely visceral and violent Ugandan Christian homophobia).
     
    This + earlier prurient interest in trans "attractiveness" = total faggot detected.

    Political divorce now.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I find women such as this:

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/couple-kissing-in-the-sea-stock-footage/473405929?adppopup=true

    And this attractive:

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/female-beach-volleyball-player-diving-for-the-ball-stock-video-footage/137364898?adppopup=true

    But I also enjoy fapping to photos of Doris Day such as this one while imaging her as an old feminine guy:

    And of course male-to-female crossdressers such as this one:

    And the occasional tastiness such as this:

    https://nitter.1d4.us/dawnxmode

    Don’t worry; he’s 18+!

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ

    I am unsure whether Silvio qualifies as a sexologist. But you sure qualify as a perv.

  1050. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @Ivashka the fool


    I think the Chinese believe that they would win whatever the outcome.
     
    No way. If Russia loses then we are in danger of being completely encircled. We are as of now half encircled but with unity of Russia have security over the Eurasian land mass. China + Russia + Central Asia + Iran + North Korea + Pakisan + Russia's restraining influence and arms sales to India and Vietnam.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    You forgot to mention Afghanistan here. The Taliban will ensure that this new Eurasian bloc will be super-based, which would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic due to the Taliban’s extreme brutality.

  1051. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    I meant they should have “Me time” just among themselves, without external interferences, when this is over.
     
    That makes sense.

    I love the Legion, they’re such valiant polar bears and even slightly humorous! And their symbols are awesome indeed, I love that combination of pristine white and azure, it conjures up everything I love about Russia. When the sun is shining on the ice or snow, it creates a beautiful deep blue aqua like color, it’s such a beautiful color in the snow light color scheme, I have seen it on the Briksdal Glacier in Norway and I’m sure one can see it in many places in Russia. And the Legion wants to promote a kind of a Nordic democracy.

    Normally, I wouldn’t approve of such radical steps that they’ve taken, but the attacks on Ukraine have been too intense. They have been in opposition to Putin for 15 years. When Westerners were trading and shaking hands with Putin, they were fighting him.
     
    My own concerns with the risk of attacking Belgorod Oblast have to do with the risk of escalation.

    Agreed with your analysis of the Legion's symbols. They're great! :)

    I never thought that I could ever dream of them stopping being expansionist in my life time, until I saw the Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps. There is a little light of hope now and it is so incredible that I don’t even dare dream. But I don’t think that they should necessary become pro-Western in the sense that they would need anything from the West (or China), they should be completely independent, self-reliant and national democratic.

    There are 75 trillions of dollars worth of natural resources under their soil. They don’t need anybody.
     
    They need more people to have stronger economies of scale, though. They can aim to achieve this goal by breeding much more like Israeli Jews are already currently doing (they, unlike Israeli Jews, actually have the necessary space for this), or they can achieve this by joining the EU. Resources aren't enough; one also needs a lot of people, especially smart people, in order to become a prominent force. And within the EU, they would have a decent amount of say due to their large size.

    Yea, like an Old Believer nationalism – but that’s an oxymoron. But I know what you mean, I agree with that part.
     
    Yeah, a Russia that breeds a lot (non-dysgenically) and that is peaceful would be absolutely great! :)

    Is there a risk that Israel could get overpopulated? Then maybe they should slow down their program or make the program more selective? Have you heard of Birobidzhan?
     
    Israel doesn't get all that much immigration nowadays, with the exception of the recent mini-wave as a result of the current Ukraine war. As for curbing Israeli fertility, some Israeli left-wingers might advocate for this. Alon Tal, for instance:

    https://in.bgu.ac.il/en/Pages/news/land-full.aspx

    And Yes, I know about the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. This is extraordinarily far-fetched, but if there will ever be an opportunity for Israel to purchase the JAO, it should certainly do so. This should give Israel power projection in the Asia-Pacific region, additional space for its rapid population growth, easy access to Chinese food for Christmas, et cetera.

    They can decide themselves what they want to do with their civilizational mission and how to maintain their own special, unique civilization, they don’t need the EU.
     
    The EU would allow them to become a part of a bloc with many more people, though.

    I think the Orthodox Church is not all that pushy that way and is used to operating in its traditional space (except those Old Believer settlements overseas but that’s because they fled). But it’s not a bad idea. It looks like some right wingers in the US want to convert to Orthodoxy.

    LOL, you have very creative ideas. Not sure they are all realistic though. 🙂
     
    I know that Rod Dreher among US/Western conservatives converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. Who else?

    And what's wrong with spreading the Eastern (Russian) Orthodox message to more people?

    Well, they have their own phenotype.
     
    Yeah, possibly.

    Replies: @LatW, @Dmitry

    My own concerns with the risk of attacking Belgorod Oblast have to do with the risk of escalation.

    [MORE]

    The situation is very dire now. Regardless of the borders, this calamity is now spreading and crawling into more and more spaces. You might fear escalation, looking from the West (and, ofc, this is reasonable), but Ukrainian POV is different – what they have gone through is simply too much, after every vicious missile attack they keep asking “Is this not enough of an escalation?”. Some say that the recent spill can be compared to a nuclear blast in terms of its consequences, especially on the left bank. With a huge war like this, the logic is that sooner or later, if it doesn’t stop by one side winning, then the war goes into the enemy territory. It’s called the boomerang, it’s the internal logic of war. If your house was being fired at and your children being fired at from another house, you would hit that other window immediately. It’s basic logic and that’s how they think on the ground there. The things they say on Ukrainian YT channels and on the Russian tv are even crazier than some of the things discussed on this forum.

    Belgorod is actually a well maintained place, the infrastructure in the region is quite good, lots of new houses, it’s a real shame what things have come to. By the way, it is mostly Russian forces firing at the rebels, they are doing this instead of sending in spetsnaz (although it seems some units are indeed there), they are firing missiles that are hitting people’s homes. It is really dire there, the Volunteer Corps had casualties.

    Agreed with your analysis of the Legion’s symbols. They’re great! 🙂

    https://whitebluewhite.info/english

    White color symbolizes peace, purity, prudence, and azure (blue) is for truth and justice.

    The white-blue-white flag is similar to the symbolics of Veliky Novgorod. One of the oldest cities in Russia was the center of the Novgorod Republic, the only proto-democratic state formation in the history of our country. The Novgorod Republic did not have a flag in the modern sense of the word, so we borrow colors from the flag of Veliky Novgorod.

    I also really like the spaika of Larionov that the Volunteer Corps is using but that one is more ideological and far right so may not be for everybody.

    They need more people to have stronger economies of scale, though.

    Why are you so focused on this idea of “economies of scale”? Do you feel they don’t have a big enough population already to ramp up wide scale production? I think they do. Many of their products could compete with the price. The price is lower even than Lithuanian products. Although that might change with the growing labor shortage.

    Btw, the economic cooperation with the EU was growing even without them being in the EU (or without any kind of special agreements). They were starting to both invest and export more. It was on the track for growth. It’s really messed up that it was interrupted. I wonder if the Kremlin clique who started the war were aware of this growth. They totally pulled a plug on something that would’ve benefitted the Russian entrepreneurs.

    Resources aren’t enough; one also needs a lot of people, especially smart people, in order to become a prominent force. And within the EU, they would have a decent amount of say due to their large size.

    They could cultivate their own talent. The EU is already very large at this point and there are internal issues that need to be taken care of, there is an ongoing struggle over the power dynamic there that will take up a lot of energy in the years to come. Also, Russia would need to comply with democratic standards, they should do it for their own sake, first and foremost, but I’m not sure there is a will for that. They need to figure out for themselves if they are a European, Eurasian or their own kind of civilization and there is a plurality of opinions about that. Frankly, I don’t think outsiders such as Russia or China should be given much access or say over the EU market and politics unless they show long term amicability and fairness. They live by different rules.

    Yeah, a Russia that breeds a lot (non-dysgenically) and that is peaceful would be absolutely great! 🙂

    That would be heaven on earth. One can only dream. 🤍💙🤍

    And what’s wrong with spreading the Eastern (Russian) Orthodox message to more people?

    Frankly, I think it becomes less authentic if it’s located outside of the traditional Orthodox space, but, ofc, there are Orthodox churches in the US and they seem to be doing fine.

  1052. S says:
    @Hartnell
    I must confess that the more I see events on the ground and the way the world is heading in, the more I realise that atomised individualism, globalism, AI and mass miscegenation is the wave of the future and it cannot be in fact be halted. I do feel that the current events in Europe really is a last battle between the nation state and the global state.

    If America is victorious, then it can pretty much impose it's totalitarian agenda on the entire world. There will be no more competition left. I suspect Iran will collapse in a revolution at some point and both India and China will toe the line. They are dependant really on America and they know it. If America shut down it's cheap labour convoy with China, well it would heavily pound the nation into economic irrelevance. Russia I don't want to get into but Putin is right. Uncle Sam does seek to destroy that country and will tolerate no more opposition to it's global agenda.

    Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, all will become irrelevant as the masses of the third world descend upon them for cheap labour. Perhaps they might get lucky and use AI to solve their labour problems but that might take a while and there is millions of Africans that need a new home.

    The entire millennial generation across the world (with the exception of Afghanistan and Israel) are now de facto liberal. They grew up on American entertainment, listened to American songs and played American video games. It's only the boomers from these nations that grew up. In a different era that are opposed to this Americanism. The millennials will quite happily build a new global order because differences between the high IQs is very minute. Of course you have the lower IQs that still have differences but it matters not as the high IQs are fully globalised, international and universal.

    It's been a realisation I have tried to fight for so long but now it hits me. There is no going back. We will have a global society whether we want it or not and nothing will stop it.

    I predict an AI run global Brazil by the end of the century with a paler mixed race upper class lording it over the dark mixed underclass.

    It is a depressing thought but with birth rates continuing to drop, there is no future for nation states and instead high IQs will most likely mix with other high IQs regardless of national identity.

    A sad fate of the world to be sure but one that is inevitable.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @German_reader, @china-russia-all-the-way, @S

    I must confess that the more I see events on the ground and the way the world is heading in, the more I realise that atomised individualism, globalism, AI and mass miscegenation is the wave of the future..

    You sound as though you’ve been channeling your inner Gregory Eliot . 😀

    Eliot (1854 – 1915) was a gifted essayist, director of New York’s Metropolitan Opera Company, and the grand nephew of James Fenimore Cooper, author of The Last of the Mohicans.

    Eliot wrote the excerpt below as part of a larger 1898 essay (see link) entitled, ‘The United States of Europe’ which appeared in the journal North American Review.

    To his credit, like yourself, he decried this.

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.17436845&view=1up&seq=518

    ‘The social formula of the future will be bitter protection of money interests and local patriotism replaced by a ferocious individualism.’

    The United States of Europe (1898)

    ‘..you may be sure that the financiers will step forward and arrange among themselves an international understanding. The money centres once working in union, the governments will follow, then the people.’

    ‘Was it not the ‘capitalists’ of our country which instigated the insurrection in Cuba?’

    ‘We will see a United States of Europe, united by finance, and many political questions which today appear without possible solution (because we insist on arguing on abstract ideas – patriotism, republicanism, ‘jingoism’) will be straightened out by financial necessities, as surely as the mountain snow melted by the sun runs by nature’s laws in the streams and rivers to the sea.’

    ‘This new ‘union of states’ will have all the attributes of our own. Where there is an even greater mixing of peoples, Asia and Europe having each contributed it’s contingent, they will develop the same financial ferocity, and their politics will be a politics of money. Battles will be fought out at the stock exchange.’

    ‘When Cleveland’s warlike message made American securities drop on the London markets, how we all became suddenly pacific as by enchantment.’

    ‘The social formula of the future will be bitter protection of money interests and local patriotism replaced by a ferocious individualism.’

  1053. @AP
    @silviosilver


    Well, let’s see, would you ever describe yourself as plankton? If not, then you do indeed consider yourself vastly superior. I mean, dude, plankton – as though you couldn’t have possibly found a gentler way to put it. And why? For no other reason than the jobs they hold, as though that were the sole measure of any interest to anyone
     
    That's an accurate measure of the job though, isn't it? I was an office plankton too once. We all probably know people like that. There's a popular TV show with endearing office plankton.

    I was specifically making a comparison between jobs and describing their nature. There exist people who are smart enough to advance beyond secondary school but not far beyond that. These are some of the jobs such people do.

    Oh those poor people...so they’re forced to take clean, comfortable jobs with decent hours and plenty of room for advancement that would have been the envy of anyone born a hundred years earlier
     
    Indeed. An example of how the capitalist system is superior to the socialist one in the USSR in that our office plankton with degrees in business admin who don't do much live rather comfortable lives while their analogues with engineering pseudo-degrees in the USSR who also didn't do much, lived in squalor.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Very well then. I’ll retract the accusation that you intended to demean people who could do no better than a lower tier office job of questionable economic value. Happy to know I got you wrong.

    • Thanks: AP
  1054. @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    I’m well aware of reprisal devillaging. Partisans really didn’t do anyone any favours.

    Replies: @sudden death

    It should be mentioned though that noble Soviet partisans on occasion were not very hesitant to do relatively similar stuff too, but it is swept under the rug due PC reasons, especially when such names as Yitzhak Arad might potentially be involved too:

    The Koniuchy massacre (Polish: Zbrodnia w Koniuchach) or the Kaniūkai massacre (Lithuanian: Kaniūkų žudynės) was a World War II massacre of civilians, mostly women and children,carried out in the village of Koniuchy (now Kaniūkai, Lithuania) on 29 January 1944 by a Soviet partisan unit together with a contingent of Jewish partisans under Soviet command. At least 38 civilians who have been identified by name were killed, and more than a dozen were injured. In addition, houses were burned and livestock was slaughtered. It was the largest atrocity committed by the Soviet partisans in present-day Lithuania.
    ……………………………………………………….
    According to the census, carried out in August 1942 in Generalbezirk Litauen, the village had 374 people – 41 of them declared their nationality as Lithuanians, 17 as Poles, and the rest chose ambiguous “of Lithuania”. Polish and Lithuanian authors disagree whether the village and the victims should be considered Polish or Lithuanian. Sometimes the victims are also described as Belarusian.

    Soviet partisans became more active in the area in 1943. Koniuchy is located at the edge of the Rudniki Forest (now Rūdininkai Forest [lt]), where partisan groups, both Soviet and Jewish, set up bases from which they attacked the German forces.The local Soviet partisans were commanded by Genrikas Zimanas [lt] and were subordinated to the Lithuanian section of the Central Headquarters of the Partisan Movement in Moscow chaired by Antanas Sniečkus. Starting in fall 1943, Soviet partisans were cut off from supplies from the Soviet Union. As per directives from Moscow, they were allowed to confiscate material goods from their opponents, and execute them. Unlike Polish partisans of Armia Krajowa (Home Army), these partisans did not enjoy widespread local support and could not depend on voluntary food contributions from local farmers. Therefore, Soviet partisans regularly raided nearby villages to rob the locals of food stock, cattle, and clothing.This raiding led to clashes between the farmers and the partisans. In response, German administration deployed Lithuanian Auxiliary Police Battalions in the area and provided weapons to self-defence units organized by villagers. This led to increased three-way hostilities between the Soviet partisans, Polish partisans, and Lithuanian police, with local residents caught in the middle and subject to arbitrary executions by any one of the three sides if suspected of aiding the “wrong” side.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koniuchy_massacre

  1055. @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver

    I find women such as this:

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/couple-kissing-in-the-sea-stock-footage/473405929?adppopup=true

    And this attractive:

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/female-beach-volleyball-player-diving-for-the-ball-stock-video-footage/137364898?adppopup=true

    But I also enjoy fapping to photos of Doris Day such as this one while imaging her as an old feminine guy:

    https://footwearnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/doris-day-1973.jpg

    And of course male-to-female crossdressers such as this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2JzUlr3Ki4&t=223s

    And the occasional tastiness such as this:

    https://nitter.1d4.us/dawnxmode

    Don't worry; he's 18+!

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I am unsure whether Silvio qualifies as a sexologist. But you sure qualify as a perv.

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ
  1056. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @silviosilver

    When I was a kid we often played at being at war with some other group of kids. Plastic machine guns, plastic or metallic pistols, water guns when in summer (actually self made guns equivalent made of plastic bottles - брызгалки), snowballs in winter. It's normal and healthy. Then as I grew up, we started playing harder, using slingshots and self-made pneumatic guns (духовушки). These shot small screws or small ball bearing balls propelled by the air pushing a small lump of playdoh. It was dangerous, it could seriously hurt someone, perhaps poke out an eye. We used to shoot it at the road signs and the thick glass made bus stops, but we also shot it at the kids from the ennemy gang. Once one of our kids got seriously wounded, it took a couple of weeks to heal. By the second half of my teenage years, some neighborhood kids got involved with local gangs (конторы/бригады). It was a time when the Lubertsy (a Moscow suburb) gangs were wreaking havoc not only in Moscow but even as far as Tallinn and Saint-Petersburg. The older teenage kids fought with chains and rebar, the fashion was to wear a Soviet army belt with a heavy metallic buckle, it could be used to hit someone if attacked. It was also the time when Punks and Metalheads appeared in USSR, and they also used to fight each other. It was actually really a violent atmosphere, you could be beat up because you were from the "wrong " neighborhood or just because you were wearing a heavy metal band t-shirt or a punk band t-shirt or because you weren't wearing one of these and were dressed in an average outfit. And it was okay, it was pure adrenaline and testosterone, but it was genuine grassroots teenage fashion. It was not linked with state ideology or some historical grievances. Boys be boys and kids be kids, but we should keep them away from any ideological indoctrination.

    Replies: @S

    It was also the time when Punks and Metalheads appeared in USSR, and they also used to fight each other. It was actually really a violent atmosphere, you could be beat up because you were from the “wrong ” neighborhood or just because you were wearing a heavy metal band t-shirt or a punk band t-shirt…

    I’d never heard of that before. That is interesting.

    Sounds something like the ‘troubles’ between the ‘Mods’ and ‘Rockers’ in Britain during the 1960’s.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mods_and_rockers

    Punks and Metelheads, Mods and Rockers…Who says AK’s old site is an intellectual wasteland!

    There’s no question, really, one couldn’t pay to get this sort of an education anywhere else, even if they tried. 😉

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
  1057. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    Hackster, I have now replied to you at the very start of the new open thread.

    BTW, you don't mind it if I call you Hackster, right?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    With a self chosen pseudonym like “Mr. Hack” does it look like I’m particularly sensitive?

  1058. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    You make it sound as if corporations within America employ people as some sort of social justice program.
     
    That's literally the case when it comes to Equity departments that many large corporations have.

    But in the cases I am talking about, there is certainly some inefficiency which is tolerated. If the company experiences some financial trouble they sacrifice those people. Typically the first and often second round of layoffs involves jettisoning the people who are semi-useful. Presumably they didn't "have" to work there in the first place. But I'm glad they did! And it's sad when they can no longer be supported. These are people who provide for their families.

    A little inefficiency is more humane, takes an edge off. When the entire system is in its essence inefficient (as in socialism) it is a problem, all of society is poor, but that's not the case with cubicle plankton in our system. Let them come in to work each day, rearranging spreadsheets and attending meetings. Some of what they do at work is useful some of the time, and more importantly they are people who live lives outside of work also, they need the income and feel productive, in order to live dignified lives.

    Have a little empathy
     
    I don't see realism as being opposed to empathy.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Your opinion here makes more sense and does show a little bit of sympathy for these sorts of people. I’m not quite sure what you mean by “Equity departments” and their role in this societal betterment program?

    Presumably they didn’t “have” to work there in the first place. But I’m glad they did! And it’s sad when they can no longer be supported. These are people who provide for their families.

    Where I work, these very few examples actually may include some “higher ups” that may have some equity interests in the company.

  1059. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Don't fight among yourselves on the little stuff. Focus on bringing this insane war to an end through negotiation, not combat. Capitulation is better than dying. With AI and full globalism looming around the corner (I mean like next week) the painful family differences between the Slavs should be banished. People who care have bigger battles to fight.

    You are both articulate and persuasive. I recommend you work to persuade your Ukrainian brethren to shake off the Western spell which has made them pawns and settle this sooner rather than later. As you know I am not so optimistic about the details, but who cares? If we can save a few lives it is worth a lifetime of our everyday toil. The fact that you will not know of your impact and will surely get no credit for it has a nice Christian vibe.

    I don't know how you two might influence the outcome, but the idea of the "butterfly effect" has a nice resonance in times like this. The good news is that butterflies are accidental, people are not.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

    See the new thread for an answer.

  1060. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird

    I recommend reading the Japanese wiki with DeepL (or ChatGPT). Is there a reason that you are interested in the Japanese period with borrowed nomenclature over the Chinese one?

    戦国時代(せんごくじだい)Sengoku jidai is rather like HRE with many statelets. The Chinese Warring States period is more relevant for the present:

    https://i.postimg.cc/Nff3BYCd/1580545484id.jpg

    The PRC strategy is partly borrowed from Qin 秦 of the seven Warring States-- the six other states formed a nominal alliance against Qin, similar to G7 being allied against PRC.

    But Qin picked apart the alliance by forming bilateral alliances with four of the six states-- similar to PRC being presently the top trade partner of US, Japan, and Germany.

    Replies: @songbird, @nebulafox

    Been watching the old TV miniseries Shogun, and it made me realize my ignorance of some of these major figures that the Japanese are always referencing like Nobunaga. Plus, I have a general interest in the workings of feudalism, and the transitions of ages.

    [MORE]

    Also, I wanted to test out some things that I assume Clavell (who wrote the novel) said. Like that Japan was a country with (IIRC, could be misremembering) “800 years of civil war.” (Or maybe it was 600). Seems to be somewhat false. Thought Heian period was relatively peaceful.

    And also the idea that Japan was, on a certain level, for practical purposes, a country without the wheel. I.e., one of the characters said only the emperor was permitted to use it on roads.

  1061. @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya


    That’s the key.
     
    Well, are they expected to eventually leave, or do they just stick around there eventually, with them only being deported if they actually agitate in favor of revolution?

    I suspect that open borders proponents such as Bryan Caplan would view such a model for the West as being superior to the status quo. Of course, this would not prevent Muslim guest workers from murdering Westerners (or East Asians, I guess) over Islamophobic speech, which is the problem with Caplan's proposal as applied to Muslims without strong selection.

    Yes, but Jews being replaced by Jews is different than Germans being replaced by Muslims.
     
    Very true, though it's worth noting that the more conservative and religious Israelis don't actually view all of the recent ex-USSR immigrants to Israel as actually being sufficiently Jewish. This is why Israel recently had attempts at stupid moves such as this:

    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-736186

    It didn't pass yet, and hopefully won't ever actually pass, but it just shows that Israeli tolerance for the new arrivals isn't actually universal, even if they are of Jewish descent, since sometimes their Jewish descent is on the "wrong" side of their family tree. One ideally shouldn't care about this, but unfortunately, a lot of nationalistic and religious Israeli Jews very much do care about this. :(

    But Yes, certainly much better to have this kind of replacement, or even the US version of replacement which is primarily geared towards Hispanics and Asians, than being replaced by working-class Muslims and Africans. The latter should especially be resisted if one's country is not already heavily Muslim-majority.

    Muslim population replacement in some of the duller European countries might have worked had Muslims not been so culturally incompatible with the existing populations of these countries, due to the widespread Muslim tendency towards radicalism, supporting murdering people over Islamophobic speech, et cetera. Thus even duller European countries such as Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia, et cetera are better-off being replaced by Hindus or Sikhs or Thais or Vietnamese or Filipinos than being replaced by Muslims.

    I greatly admire Muslims (and others) who seek to reform and improve their faith/religion for the better. But unfortunately, there is still a huge amount of religious radicalism right now, especially but not only (ex.: extremely visceral and violent Ugandan Christian homophobia) among Muslims.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Yahya

    Well, are they expected to eventually leave, or do they just stick around there eventually, with them only being deported if they actually agitate in favor of revolution?

    They are expected to leave, and are deported promptly if they overstay. The notion of foreign workers in Saudi Arabia throwing a revolt, or even demanding political rights, is comical. Most of them arrive with full knowledge that the Saudi state has no intention of handing out citizenship. They are there to earn higher wages than can be found in their home countries, send remittances, and then leave when the iqama permit is up. Most guest workers are only granted short-term residence permits, typically under the kafala system (sponsorship by a Saudi national). But even the long-term workers do not have any expectations of being granted citizenship.

    It’s fairly easy for a high-income country to utilize guest workers without committing demographic suicide. It’s actually as simple as passing a law that mandates citizenship is only given through paternal lineage (i.e. father has to be Saudi). Also a basic governmental and cultural commitment that guest workers are strictly temporary in nature. The West is messed up because of the bizarre notion that foreign workers are entitled to eventual citizenship; and that not giving them political rights is a moral transgression.

    But Yes, certainly much better to have this kind of replacement, or even the US version of replacement which is primarily geared towards Hispanics and Asians, than being replaced by working-class Muslims and Africans. The latter should especially be resisted if one’s country is not already heavily Muslim-majority.

    It’s true that Hispanic and Asian migration to the US has not been catastrophic, and in fact was economically beneficial, net, over the short-run for the American nation (some working class Americans had their wages depressed, but the net effect has been positive due to comparative advantage-incuded gains in productivity).

    But, when it comes to migration and fertility, you also need to be thinking about their impact on racial, cultural and institutional quality over the long-run. It is not wise to merely cite the temporary economic benefits of mass migration. I’m sure the Ancient Egyptians had good economic reasons for importing Nubian slave workers, but it has been catastrophic for Egyptian racial quality over the long-term. The Ancients shafted their descendants for a few pounds more of bread (although they did leave us some revenue-generating Pyramids, so I cut them some slack).

    The cultural and institutional arguments against mass immigration have already been made by mainstream conservative thinkers, so I won’t delve into them here. But the racial quality aspect is severely neglected, because of the offensive nature of this kind of discussion. The sensitivity however does not detract from its importance. Simply put, whenever multiple groups live within the same polity for a prolonged period of time, they inevitably mix and homogenize into a single genetic pool. Examples abound across time and continents: Egypt, Tajikistan, Mexico, Serbia etc. There is one notable exception to this rule – the caste-based society of India – but that is a remarkably unusual phenomena.

    You therefore need to think about how this admixture process will affect racial quality over the long-run. Ideally, you’d want your group’s genetic quality to be preserved, and even elevated. You do not want it to be diminished. The chief racial characteristics to look for are the ones I mentioned in my response to Beckowski: 1) intellect, 2) phenotype, 3) toughness, 4) refinement. Ultimately it is the first two factors which are incredibly critical. Toughness and refinement are predominantly culturally-mediated; but intelligence and phenotype are heavily genetic in basis. Once the genetic code is altered, there is little coming back. Some future advancements in genetic engineering technology may alter this reality, but it’s prudent imo not to rely on future tech to fix problems. A wiser approach is to avoid making mistakes in the first place. In the words of Ben Franklin: “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound in cure”.

    There are other desirable personal qualities such as judgement, self-discipline, humor, industriousness, creativity, integrity, memory, eloquence, musical aptitude etc. which can be taken into assessment when making immigration decisions, but it is difficult to measure these qualities on a racial level using the scientific method. Again, it really boils down to intelligence and phenotype, which are readily observable and decently measurable. Ideally, you’d want an immigration system which only admits scientists and beauty queens. That is incidentally the path that was outlined by the late Francis Galton some 140 years ago. I recommend his book Inquiries into Human Faculty and Its Development for a more comprehensive treatment of the racial quality question.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya

    Don't upper-class whites in the US primarily intermarry with Asians and Jews, not with blacks and Hispanics, unless we're talking about the elite Hispanics that are likely of overwhelming European descent?

    Replies: @Yahya

  1062. @Yahya
    @Mr. XYZ


    Well, are they expected to eventually leave, or do they just stick around there eventually, with them only being deported if they actually agitate in favor of revolution?
     
    They are expected to leave, and are deported promptly if they overstay. The notion of foreign workers in Saudi Arabia throwing a revolt, or even demanding political rights, is comical. Most of them arrive with full knowledge that the Saudi state has no intention of handing out citizenship. They are there to earn higher wages than can be found in their home countries, send remittances, and then leave when the iqama permit is up. Most guest workers are only granted short-term residence permits, typically under the kafala system (sponsorship by a Saudi national). But even the long-term workers do not have any expectations of being granted citizenship.

    It’s fairly easy for a high-income country to utilize guest workers without committing demographic suicide. It’s actually as simple as passing a law that mandates citizenship is only given through paternal lineage (i.e. father has to be Saudi). Also a basic governmental and cultural commitment that guest workers are strictly temporary in nature. The West is messed up because of the bizarre notion that foreign workers are entitled to eventual citizenship; and that not giving them political rights is a moral transgression.


    But Yes, certainly much better to have this kind of replacement, or even the US version of replacement which is primarily geared towards Hispanics and Asians, than being replaced by working-class Muslims and Africans. The latter should especially be resisted if one’s country is not already heavily Muslim-majority.
     
    It’s true that Hispanic and Asian migration to the US has not been catastrophic, and in fact was economically beneficial, net, over the short-run for the American nation (some working class Americans had their wages depressed, but the net effect has been positive due to comparative advantage-incuded gains in productivity).

    But, when it comes to migration and fertility, you also need to be thinking about their impact on racial, cultural and institutional quality over the long-run. It is not wise to merely cite the temporary economic benefits of mass migration. I’m sure the Ancient Egyptians had good economic reasons for importing Nubian slave workers, but it has been catastrophic for Egyptian racial quality over the long-term. The Ancients shafted their descendants for a few pounds more of bread (although they did leave us some revenue-generating Pyramids, so I cut them some slack).

    The cultural and institutional arguments against mass immigration have already been made by mainstream conservative thinkers, so I won’t delve into them here. But the racial quality aspect is severely neglected, because of the offensive nature of this kind of discussion. The sensitivity however does not detract from its importance. Simply put, whenever multiple groups live within the same polity for a prolonged period of time, they inevitably mix and homogenize into a single genetic pool. Examples abound across time and continents: Egypt, Tajikistan, Mexico, Serbia etc. There is one notable exception to this rule - the caste-based society of India - but that is a remarkably unusual phenomena.

    You therefore need to think about how this admixture process will affect racial quality over the long-run. Ideally, you’d want your group’s genetic quality to be preserved, and even elevated. You do not want it to be diminished. The chief racial characteristics to look for are the ones I mentioned in my response to Beckowski: 1) intellect, 2) phenotype, 3) toughness, 4) refinement. Ultimately it is the first two factors which are incredibly critical. Toughness and refinement are predominantly culturally-mediated; but intelligence and phenotype are heavily genetic in basis. Once the genetic code is altered, there is little coming back. Some future advancements in genetic engineering technology may alter this reality, but it’s prudent imo not to rely on future tech to fix problems. A wiser approach is to avoid making mistakes in the first place. In the words of Ben Franklin: “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound in cure”.

    There are other desirable personal qualities such as judgement, self-discipline, humor, industriousness, creativity, integrity, memory, eloquence, musical aptitude etc. which can be taken into assessment when making immigration decisions, but it is difficult to measure these qualities on a racial level using the scientific method. Again, it really boils down to intelligence and phenotype, which are readily observable and decently measurable. Ideally, you’d want an immigration system which only admits scientists and beauty queens. That is incidentally the path that was outlined by the late Francis Galton some 140 years ago. I recommend his book Inquiries into Human Faculty and Its Development for a more comprehensive treatment of the racial quality question.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Don’t upper-class whites in the US primarily intermarry with Asians and Jews, not with blacks and Hispanics, unless we’re talking about the elite Hispanics that are likely of overwhelming European descent?

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Mr. XYZ


    Don’t upper-class whites in the US primarily intermarry with Asians and Jews, not with blacks and Hispanics, unless we’re talking about the elite Hispanics that are likely of overwhelming European descent?
     
    Gene pool tends to homogenize over time, unless there are strict cultural/religious taboos against inter-marriage, as in Hinduism or Judaism.

    But class barriers are relatively weak in America, religious objections are non-existent, and there is plenty of social flux over time. Judeo-Happa overlords will eventually filter downwards to Hispano-Teuton middle class, and gene pool will homogenize, at a lower plane. Remember, just a small change in the mean can have a disproportionate impact on the far-edge of the distribution. Doesn’t bode well for civilizational productivity and advancement, which comes almost exclusively from the right-tail.

    Unless future technological development changes the picture.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1063. @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya

    Don't upper-class whites in the US primarily intermarry with Asians and Jews, not with blacks and Hispanics, unless we're talking about the elite Hispanics that are likely of overwhelming European descent?

    Replies: @Yahya

    Don’t upper-class whites in the US primarily intermarry with Asians and Jews, not with blacks and Hispanics, unless we’re talking about the elite Hispanics that are likely of overwhelming European descent?

    Gene pool tends to homogenize over time, unless there are strict cultural/religious taboos against inter-marriage, as in Hinduism or Judaism.

    But class barriers are relatively weak in America, religious objections are non-existent, and there is plenty of social flux over time. Judeo-Happa overlords will eventually filter downwards to Hispano-Teuton middle class, and gene pool will homogenize, at a lower plane. Remember, just a small change in the mean can have a disproportionate impact on the far-edge of the distribution. Doesn’t bode well for civilizational productivity and advancement, which comes almost exclusively from the right-tail.

    Unless future technological development changes the picture.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya

    I thought that most Americans marry within their social class, with major exceptions being if a wealthy man marries a hot young attractive woman who's poorer than he is or something like that?

    This young straight man married a gay man who is much older and much wealthier than he himself is because the older man was looking for a hott boy toy and didn't care that he was of a lower social class, for instance:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/3lkw9s/im_a_straight_24_year_old_male_who_is_engaged_to/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1064. @Yahya
    @Mr. XYZ


    Don’t upper-class whites in the US primarily intermarry with Asians and Jews, not with blacks and Hispanics, unless we’re talking about the elite Hispanics that are likely of overwhelming European descent?
     
    Gene pool tends to homogenize over time, unless there are strict cultural/religious taboos against inter-marriage, as in Hinduism or Judaism.

    But class barriers are relatively weak in America, religious objections are non-existent, and there is plenty of social flux over time. Judeo-Happa overlords will eventually filter downwards to Hispano-Teuton middle class, and gene pool will homogenize, at a lower plane. Remember, just a small change in the mean can have a disproportionate impact on the far-edge of the distribution. Doesn’t bode well for civilizational productivity and advancement, which comes almost exclusively from the right-tail.

    Unless future technological development changes the picture.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I thought that most Americans marry within their social class, with major exceptions being if a wealthy man marries a hot young attractive woman who’s poorer than he is or something like that?

    This young straight man married a gay man who is much older and much wealthier than he himself is because the older man was looking for a hott boy toy and didn’t care that he was of a lower social class, for instance:

    I'm a straight 24 year old male who is engaged to a wealthy 51 year old man. I'm in it for the money (and he knows that). I have no interest in a relationship with a woman, so I figure why not. AMA
    byu/mopeia incasualiama

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    Mr. XYZ, we all get it here, that you're a gay man that is coming out of the closet, but Yahya's excellent comment #1072 is about gene pool homogeneity/dilution due to marriage patterns among different social classes. The "love affair" between a young 24 year old man and his 51 year old sugar daddy has no bearing on this discussion. Please try to stay focused and on topic.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1065. @AP
    @silviosilver


    For someone who routinely extols the virtues of the market economy over communism, you seem to have a bizarre understanding of its operation. If a private enterprise hires you to carry out some task, the working assumption (at least) ought to be that your employer perceives it as useful – else why in the world would they hire you to do it?
     
    Any system is inherently inefficient, and total efficiency is not ideal anyways. The market economy overall is far more efficient than was the commie word's economy, which is why materially life is far better in market economies. But within the context of the market economy, a little bit of "fat" is a good thing, a humane touch. I described the "office plankton" as semi useful, not totally useless (totally useless would be the DEI departments that many corporations now have - though I guess they are "useful" for marketing purposes by signaling to consumers that the company is progressive). Note that I never complained that they exist, I merely pointed out their existence. There is a place in society for such people.

    Employers aren’t omniscient. Bad business decisions which waste time and resources are very common
     
    Indeed. There are a lot of semi-useful people and positions in a market economy. Didn't Musk get rid of something like half of Twitter's staff, without much noticeable difference?

    And it’s supremely doubtful that you, when you were doing that work, were in any position to know whether the business was getting it wrong or right.
     
    When there is an economic slowdown or some such thing, many companies suddenly find that 10% or 30% of their workforce is expendable.

    That doesn't mean that every company ought to be cut throat all the time. These people have families, etc. There would be instability if every company was run with ruthless efficiency. It would also be immoral.

    "It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that."

    What a ludicrously high opinion you have of yourself
     
    Was what I said wrong? And where did I mention myself as being better or something? I don't measure worth that way. I was born with certain abilities (through no effort of my own, its genetic) that I leveraged into an advanced degree in a more lucrative field, choosing a specialty that enabled me not to work too hard either. Does that make me a better person than the one born without such gifts and who as a result must earn a living doing spreadsheets?

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    What’s the relation of “genetics”, except your ancestors immigrated from their undeveloped to a developed country, so now you can enjoy having middle class life in a developed country New England, instead of sitting in a trench in an undeveloped country like you would be without immigration.

    Life as office plankton is great, on average, if you are in a developed Western country.

    Life as office plankton is not great if you are in a undeveloped country (although excluding some of your ideas about “people with median salary of Moscow of $800 per month with two children has a great life” etc).

  1066. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    I meant they should have “Me time” just among themselves, without external interferences, when this is over.
     
    That makes sense.

    I love the Legion, they’re such valiant polar bears and even slightly humorous! And their symbols are awesome indeed, I love that combination of pristine white and azure, it conjures up everything I love about Russia. When the sun is shining on the ice or snow, it creates a beautiful deep blue aqua like color, it’s such a beautiful color in the snow light color scheme, I have seen it on the Briksdal Glacier in Norway and I’m sure one can see it in many places in Russia. And the Legion wants to promote a kind of a Nordic democracy.

    Normally, I wouldn’t approve of such radical steps that they’ve taken, but the attacks on Ukraine have been too intense. They have been in opposition to Putin for 15 years. When Westerners were trading and shaking hands with Putin, they were fighting him.
     
    My own concerns with the risk of attacking Belgorod Oblast have to do with the risk of escalation.

    Agreed with your analysis of the Legion's symbols. They're great! :)

    I never thought that I could ever dream of them stopping being expansionist in my life time, until I saw the Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps. There is a little light of hope now and it is so incredible that I don’t even dare dream. But I don’t think that they should necessary become pro-Western in the sense that they would need anything from the West (or China), they should be completely independent, self-reliant and national democratic.

    There are 75 trillions of dollars worth of natural resources under their soil. They don’t need anybody.
     
    They need more people to have stronger economies of scale, though. They can aim to achieve this goal by breeding much more like Israeli Jews are already currently doing (they, unlike Israeli Jews, actually have the necessary space for this), or they can achieve this by joining the EU. Resources aren't enough; one also needs a lot of people, especially smart people, in order to become a prominent force. And within the EU, they would have a decent amount of say due to their large size.

    Yea, like an Old Believer nationalism – but that’s an oxymoron. But I know what you mean, I agree with that part.
     
    Yeah, a Russia that breeds a lot (non-dysgenically) and that is peaceful would be absolutely great! :)

    Is there a risk that Israel could get overpopulated? Then maybe they should slow down their program or make the program more selective? Have you heard of Birobidzhan?
     
    Israel doesn't get all that much immigration nowadays, with the exception of the recent mini-wave as a result of the current Ukraine war. As for curbing Israeli fertility, some Israeli left-wingers might advocate for this. Alon Tal, for instance:

    https://in.bgu.ac.il/en/Pages/news/land-full.aspx

    And Yes, I know about the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. This is extraordinarily far-fetched, but if there will ever be an opportunity for Israel to purchase the JAO, it should certainly do so. This should give Israel power projection in the Asia-Pacific region, additional space for its rapid population growth, easy access to Chinese food for Christmas, et cetera.

    They can decide themselves what they want to do with their civilizational mission and how to maintain their own special, unique civilization, they don’t need the EU.
     
    The EU would allow them to become a part of a bloc with many more people, though.

    I think the Orthodox Church is not all that pushy that way and is used to operating in its traditional space (except those Old Believer settlements overseas but that’s because they fled). But it’s not a bad idea. It looks like some right wingers in the US want to convert to Orthodoxy.

    LOL, you have very creative ideas. Not sure they are all realistic though. 🙂
     
    I know that Rod Dreher among US/Western conservatives converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. Who else?

    And what's wrong with spreading the Eastern (Russian) Orthodox message to more people?

    Well, they have their own phenotype.
     
    Yeah, possibly.

    Replies: @LatW, @Dmitry

    have stronger economies of scale

    Why do you continue writing this incorrect comment about “economies of scale”. You are still writing this, after I already explained to you this is not a real concept.

    Almost all most successful countries have populations around 10 million people or less people.

    Russian) Orthodox message

    This is crazy. It’s a dead religion for a century, possibly more. The proportion of religious orthodox people in Russia is between 0,5-2%. Church attendance is like 1,4%. These are mainly old people.

    And why would Africans want to immigrate to Russia. They want to immigrate to Europe.

    bout the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. This is

    It’s one of the most dying regions, even in dying regions. Nobody wants to pay for such dying places, not even people near there like China, especially not Middle Eastern countries would invest there.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry


    Almost all most successful countries have populations around 10 million people or less people.
     
    They're successful, but they don't get to be major world players like the US or the EU or China or India are.

    And why would Africans want to immigrate to Russia. They want to immigrate to Europe.

     

    I wasn't only or even primarily talking about Africans here, but rather about Thais, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Hindus, Sikhs, and Latin Americans.

    It’s one of the most dying regions, even in dying regions. Nobody wants to pay for such dying places, not even people near there like China, especially not Middle Eastern countries would invest there.
     
    Israel could certainly benefit from having more space, though, even if this space is located extremely far away.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  1067. @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool


    Kids should be left to have an innocent and peaceful childhood. Those who want them to become adults ASAP are imbeciles that are not adults themselves.
     
    Dressing children in military uniforms is about instilling a sense of patriotism in them. It's part of their education (a proper education, not the shitlib variety) in "who they are" and what life is like - we are a people, and we have enemies who want to hurt us, and we need to be prepared to defend ourselves. Nobody is pretending they're going to be marched off to war ("become adults ASAP") or that frivolity has no place in childhood. And anyway, when has "playing war" ever been a burden to children? The way I remember it, any kid that didn't want to play war struck me as a bit weird.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @Dmitry, @Philip Owen

    What’s the relevance of your post? You are from Italy or some Western country where the most dangerous event for young men will be meeting their parents in law.

    They started dressing small children in Victory Day like this around 10 years ago. They change the school text books to the “patriotic” model in the last ten years. They started invading Ukraine around 1 year ago. I’m not sure if you want to argue about the healthy culture preparing the young cattle to walk passively to the slaughterhouse their owners have been designing for them last decade.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Dmitry


    I’m not sure if you want to argue about the healthy culture preparing the young cattle to walk passively to the slaughterhouse their owners have been designing for them last decade.
     
    Look, I don't know what the kids in that video were up to and I don't care. My opinion is that parents dressing their children in military uniforms in no way signifies a desire to see them go off and die in battle some day. It's just one among a thousand ways of instilling some national pride in kids, and a kind of fun one too ("aww look at little Billy in his uniform").

    I didn't realize you had such an extreme pacifist streak ("young cattle...walk passively...slaughterhouse"). Countries have interests and sometimes military force is required to secure those interests, in the course of which it's understood some people are going to lose their lives. That's the way it goes on planet earth. Maybe you are letting your distaste for this war (and for those prosecuting it) cloud your judgement.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Dmitry

  1068. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Why shouldn’t the Intermarium peoples also get some “Me time”?
     
    I meant they should have "Me time" just among themselves, without external interferences, when this is over.

    As a side note, I like the Freedom of Russia Legion logo

     

    I love the Legion, they're such valiant polar bears and even slightly humorous! And their symbols are awesome indeed, I love that combination of pristine white and azure, it conjures up everything I love about Russia. When the sun is shining on the ice or snow, it creates a beautiful deep blue aqua like color, it's such a beautiful color in the snow light color scheme, I have seen it on the Briksdal Glacier in Norway and I'm sure one can see it in many places in Russia. And the Legion wants to promote a kind of a Nordic democracy.

    Normally, I wouldn't approve of such radical steps that they've taken, but the attacks on Ukraine have been too intense. They have been in opposition to Putin for 15 years. When Westerners were trading and shaking hands with Putin, they were fighting him.

    I wish that if the Russian people will decisively lose this war, they will subsequently reject expansionist nationalism and instead become more pro-Western over the subsequent decades.
     
    I never thought that I could ever dream of them stopping being expansionist in my life time, until I saw the Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps. There is a little light of hope now and it is so incredible that I don't even dare dream. But I don't think that they should necessary become pro-Western in the sense that they would need anything from the West (or China), they should be completely independent, self-reliant and national democratic.

    There are 75 trillions of dollars worth of natural resources under their soil. They don't need anybody.

    It would be cool to see a more peaceful Russian nationalism emerge in place of the current one, though. An Amish-style Russian nationalism, if you will.
     
    Yea, like an Old Believer nationalism - but that's an oxymoron. But I know what you mean, I agree with that part.

    And also maybe invite Israeli Jews to settle there in large numbers if Israel will ever join the EU and become severely overpopulated itself
     
    Is there a risk that Israel could get overpopulated? Then maybe they should slow down their program or make the program more selective? Have you heard of Birobidzhan?

    Their dreams of becoming a separate civilizational pole will be shattered
     
    They can decide themselves what they want to do with their civilizational mission and how to maintain their own special, unique civilization, they don't need the EU.

    By the way, if a much more Woke future Russia will want more diversity, it should seriously consider engaging in (consensual) proselytization of the Russian Orthodox faith, primarily in the developing world.
     
    I think the Orthodox Church is not all that pushy that way and is used to operating in its traditional space (except those Old Believer settlements overseas but that's because they fled). But it's not a bad idea. It looks like some right wingers in the US want to convert to Orthodoxy.

    LOL, you have very creative ideas. Not sure they are all realistic though. :)

    Well, I mentioned Finnic genes because I know that Northern Slavs are essentially Finnic-Slavic hybrids, on average, in terms of their genetic ancestry.
     
    Well, they have their own phenotype.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/fd/4a/d6fd4a05d3f9c38e69eab450300650ef.jpg

    https://s-cdn.sportbox.ru/images/styles/upload/fp_fotos/ec/f0/Fiedor-Fiedorov-456456.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    the Legion, they’re

    It’s not clear who is responsible, but it’s possible in these border trollings, they are killing conscripts inside Russia (inside Belgorod region).

    What kind of future they have in Russia, unless the country would destabilize. The history of killing conscripted youth inside Russia.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Russia blurred the distinction between Russia and not-Russia when it annexed four Ukrainian oblasts. Officially, according to Russia, Kherson and Zaporizhia are just as Russian as Belgorod is.

  1069. @Dmitry
    @silviosilver

    What's the relevance of your post? You are from Italy or some Western country where the most dangerous event for young men will be meeting their parents in law.

    They started dressing small children in Victory Day like this around 10 years ago. They change the school text books to the "patriotic" model in the last ten years. They started invading Ukraine around 1 year ago. I'm not sure if you want to argue about the healthy culture preparing the young cattle to walk passively to the slaughterhouse their owners have been designing for them last decade.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    I’m not sure if you want to argue about the healthy culture preparing the young cattle to walk passively to the slaughterhouse their owners have been designing for them last decade.

    Look, I don’t know what the kids in that video were up to and I don’t care. My opinion is that parents dressing their children in military uniforms in no way signifies a desire to see them go off and die in battle some day. It’s just one among a thousand ways of instilling some national pride in kids, and a kind of fun one too (“aww look at little Billy in his uniform”).

    I didn’t realize you had such an extreme pacifist streak (“young cattle…walk passively…slaughterhouse”). Countries have interests and sometimes military force is required to secure those interests, in the course of which it’s understood some people are going to lose their lives. That’s the way it goes on planet earth. Maybe you are letting your distaste for this war (and for those prosecuting it) cloud your judgement.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @silviosilver

    True. He is writing total garbage. Plus in a world where children all over are dressing up as superheroes, parents wasting lots of money on these costumes ( and these superheroes often having subversive promotions of American military or American itself) ...........how is it not great that we pay tribute to our own relatives who were ACTUAL heroes?

    Plus there is a huge amount of great imagery, iconic weapons and hugely enjoyable songs from the time of the war that is enthusiastically celebrated now. I don't think American legacy from the time has anywhere near the scale of that which we do, Britain has some iconic aircraft but nothing great in imagery or music from that time.

    , @Dmitry
    @silviosilver


    some national pride in kids, and a kind of fun one too (“aww look at little Billy in his uniform”).

     

    Why are you writing about Billy and national pride (in Italy?). It's not relevant to Russia.

    extreme pacifist streak (“young cattle…walk passively…slaughterhouse”). Countries have
    interests
     
    I'm not sure how you think this comment implies pacifism. They (military leaders) move their own children and money to the West, while the education department prepare children for war with the same West.

    This is Golikova kind of "optimization" of the health costs. It's not necessarily the main motivation. But some of the optimization, is in the resource extraction economy, there are fixed income, but size of the population reduces the proportion of income which goes to the elite. Then there are parts of population like young men, which reduce political stability. You can also create from the postsoviet conflicts some kind of filter for "patriotism", so you filter the educated part of the population to emigrate, while people selected for passivity and following instructions of their masters are not emigrating.


    Countries have interests and sometimes military force is required to secure those interests, in the course of which it’s understood some people are going to lose their lives

     

    Which would imply investing in the military instead of Monaco, not preparing children for voluntary-created war with much more powerful societies while they will have no protection if they go into the war - they will have to buy their own equipment, as the mobilized soldiers today.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  1070. @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya

    I thought that most Americans marry within their social class, with major exceptions being if a wealthy man marries a hot young attractive woman who's poorer than he is or something like that?

    This young straight man married a gay man who is much older and much wealthier than he himself is because the older man was looking for a hott boy toy and didn't care that he was of a lower social class, for instance:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/3lkw9s/im_a_straight_24_year_old_male_who_is_engaged_to/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Mr. XYZ, we all get it here, that you’re a gay man that is coming out of the closet, but Yahya’s excellent comment #1072 is about gene pool homogeneity/dilution due to marriage patterns among different social classes. The “love affair” between a young 24 year old man and his 51 year old sugar daddy has no bearing on this discussion. Please try to stay focused and on topic.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    I was using it as an example to show a case where attractiveness might result in a wealthy man marrying below his social station. It could happen with smart and wealthy men marrying a poorer and duller, but nevertheless extremely attractive, woman as well.

  1071. @silviosilver
    @Dmitry


    I’m not sure if you want to argue about the healthy culture preparing the young cattle to walk passively to the slaughterhouse their owners have been designing for them last decade.
     
    Look, I don't know what the kids in that video were up to and I don't care. My opinion is that parents dressing their children in military uniforms in no way signifies a desire to see them go off and die in battle some day. It's just one among a thousand ways of instilling some national pride in kids, and a kind of fun one too ("aww look at little Billy in his uniform").

    I didn't realize you had such an extreme pacifist streak ("young cattle...walk passively...slaughterhouse"). Countries have interests and sometimes military force is required to secure those interests, in the course of which it's understood some people are going to lose their lives. That's the way it goes on planet earth. Maybe you are letting your distaste for this war (and for those prosecuting it) cloud your judgement.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Dmitry

    True. He is writing total garbage. Plus in a world where children all over are dressing up as superheroes, parents wasting lots of money on these costumes ( and these superheroes often having subversive promotions of American military or American itself) ………..how is it not great that we pay tribute to our own relatives who were ACTUAL heroes?

    Plus there is a huge amount of great imagery, iconic weapons and hugely enjoyable songs from the time of the war that is enthusiastically celebrated now. I don’t think American legacy from the time has anywhere near the scale of that which we do, Britain has some iconic aircraft but nothing great in imagery or music from that time.

  1072. @silviosilver
    @AP


    I worked as an office plankton once when I was an undergraduate student (knowing Excel was good enough). It was fairly useless work.
     
    For someone who routinely extols the virtues of the market economy over communism, you seem to have a bizarre understanding of its operation. If a private enterprise hires you to carry out some task, the working assumption (at least) ought to be that your employer perceives it as useful - else why in the world would they hire you to do it? That isn't to say it's actually useful. Employers aren't omniscient. Bad business decisions which waste time and resources are very common. In the long run, however, occasionally getting it wrong is a necessary part of getting it right. And it's supremely doubtful that you, when you were doing that work, were in any position to know whether the business was getting it wrong or right.

    It’s good that they work, plankton are necessary for a healthy ecosystem. Nothing wrong with that.
     
    What a ludicrously high opinion you have of yourself. It's actually quite amusing that you seem blithely unaware of how poorly it comes off. For all its many faults, one of the best things about an egalitarian society is the ability to dismiss and candidly smirk at the vainglory of self-appointed social superiors. (Imagine a world in which social forces demanded we indulge their conceits - eeuuww!)

    Replies: @AP, @Gerard1234

    You have taken the bait of this worthless scumbag. Quite naive.

    Basically through his stupid writings I exposed that quite clearly he is no medic, despite his fantasist claims. To try and deflect from this blow he, amusingly in a way that is like being “attacked” physically by Stephen Hawking and attacked verbally by Vitaly Klitschko……he tried to nonsensically write mind-numbing disinformation about Civil Engineers when I mentioned I was one. Amusing in that he clearly invented his claims the moment I wrote them ( probably recycling from other retarded comments he has tried to do on others for his other disinformation attempts)….and he did it in a way that suggest he doesn’t even know what a civil engineer is.

    That was before, then of course this freak started writing engineering-illiterate nonsense about the dam…………hence this retards latest insidious nonsense…….of course not supported by anyone, because its an amusing and ridiculous lie. Its essentially that you are replying to.

  1073. @silviosilver
    @Philip Owen


    On indpendence India was burdened with Fabian Society Socialism as shown above. Not just Nehru. Ghandi, like many African leaders had his economic opinions formed at the London School of Economics.,
     
    Nehru and Ghandi were at loggerheads over economics.

    From Daniel Yergin's "The Commanding Heights":

    Whereas Gandhi and Nehru were united on political objectives, they were divided on economics. For Gandhi, the model was swadeshi, self-reliance—simple home production of basic goods, self-sufficiency in the village, and a spinning wheel in every hut.

    Nehru’s view disagreed fundamentally with Gandhi’s. He sought a different kind of self-sufficiency—industrialization and the steel mill. He believed in technology and progress, in machines and industrialization—“I’m all for tractors and big machinery,” he said—and he intended to use twentieth-century means to achieve his goal.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Still both socialists. William Morris versus The Chartists to use non Marxist British thinkers on the subject.

  1074. @silviosilver
    @Ivashka the fool


    Kids should be left to have an innocent and peaceful childhood. Those who want them to become adults ASAP are imbeciles that are not adults themselves.
     
    Dressing children in military uniforms is about instilling a sense of patriotism in them. It's part of their education (a proper education, not the shitlib variety) in "who they are" and what life is like - we are a people, and we have enemies who want to hurt us, and we need to be prepared to defend ourselves. Nobody is pretending they're going to be marched off to war ("become adults ASAP") or that frivolity has no place in childhood. And anyway, when has "playing war" ever been a burden to children? The way I remember it, any kid that didn't want to play war struck me as a bit weird.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @Dmitry, @Philip Owen

    The Scouts and Guides can do much the same job without incitement to murder. They have been explicitly pacifist since 1916 when Baden Powell saw his boys die by the 100,000 at the Somme. The military focus of these organizations is explicitly fascist.

  1075. @Vishnugupta
    @Philip Owen

    Before the British, there were the Moghuls. So India did not have self government for half a millenium.

    By the time if Battle of Plassey Mughals were glorified kings of Delhi.

    The biggest empire in South Asia at that time by far was the Maratha Empire.Hindus had substantially conquered back the sub continent.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Philip Owen

    The Sikhs and Tipu Sultan feature in this too. Mysore even. Tipu Sultan specialized in loot. It was how Indian armies were paid but he did a lot of it. He was then looted himself.

  1076. @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    have stronger economies of scale
     
    Why do you continue writing this incorrect comment about "economies of scale". You are still writing this, after I already explained to you this is not a real concept.

    Almost all most successful countries have populations around 10 million people or less people.


    Russian) Orthodox message
     
    This is crazy. It's a dead religion for a century, possibly more. The proportion of religious orthodox people in Russia is between 0,5-2%. Church attendance is like 1,4%. These are mainly old people.

    And why would Africans want to immigrate to Russia. They want to immigrate to Europe.


    bout the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. This is
     
    It's one of the most dying regions, even in dying regions. Nobody wants to pay for such dying places, not even people near there like China, especially not Middle Eastern countries would invest there.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE3oKuq4Rt4

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Almost all most successful countries have populations around 10 million people or less people.

    They’re successful, but they don’t get to be major world players like the US or the EU or China or India are.

    And why would Africans want to immigrate to Russia. They want to immigrate to Europe.

    I wasn’t only or even primarily talking about Africans here, but rather about Thais, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Hindus, Sikhs, and Latin Americans.

    It’s one of the most dying regions, even in dying regions. Nobody wants to pay for such dying places, not even people near there like China, especially not Middle Eastern countries would invest there.

    Israel could certainly benefit from having more space, though, even if this space is located extremely far away.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    world players like the US or the EU or China or India
     
    Yes, a tragedy.

    Citizens of Norway, Switzerland and Sweden, are crying every day, they are not a "world player like factory workers in China or lentil farmers in India".

    People drinking champagne in Monaco every day saying "If we lived in India, we could be major world players".


    Africans here, but rather about Thais, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Hindus, Sikhs, and Latin Americans.
     
    A significant immigration from Africa was already unlikely and this is even less likely.

    Why would any significant number of people in Thailand, Argentina or Vietnam want to emigrate to Russia? People emigrate to countries with higher standard of living. Thailand has almost 10 years more life expectancy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy


    Israel could certainly benefit from having more space, though, even if this space is located extremely far away.

     

    Why would they benefit from buying irrelevant land in unrelated areas, with elderly population. Unless there are special resources like gas or oil they can extract, and nobody would sell those places without adding value of the resources like oil or gas to the price of the land.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1077. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    Mr. XYZ, we all get it here, that you're a gay man that is coming out of the closet, but Yahya's excellent comment #1072 is about gene pool homogeneity/dilution due to marriage patterns among different social classes. The "love affair" between a young 24 year old man and his 51 year old sugar daddy has no bearing on this discussion. Please try to stay focused and on topic.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I was using it as an example to show a case where attractiveness might result in a wealthy man marrying below his social station. It could happen with smart and wealthy men marrying a poorer and duller, but nevertheless extremely attractive, woman as well.

  1078. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    the Legion, they’re
     
    It's not clear who is responsible, but it's possible in these border trollings, they are killing conscripts inside Russia (inside Belgorod region).

    What kind of future they have in Russia, unless the country would destabilize. The history of killing conscripted youth inside Russia.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q14weCS8QI

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Russia blurred the distinction between Russia and not-Russia when it annexed four Ukrainian oblasts. Officially, according to Russia, Kherson and Zaporizhia are just as Russian as Belgorod is.

  1079. @silviosilver
    @Dmitry


    I’m not sure if you want to argue about the healthy culture preparing the young cattle to walk passively to the slaughterhouse their owners have been designing for them last decade.
     
    Look, I don't know what the kids in that video were up to and I don't care. My opinion is that parents dressing their children in military uniforms in no way signifies a desire to see them go off and die in battle some day. It's just one among a thousand ways of instilling some national pride in kids, and a kind of fun one too ("aww look at little Billy in his uniform").

    I didn't realize you had such an extreme pacifist streak ("young cattle...walk passively...slaughterhouse"). Countries have interests and sometimes military force is required to secure those interests, in the course of which it's understood some people are going to lose their lives. That's the way it goes on planet earth. Maybe you are letting your distaste for this war (and for those prosecuting it) cloud your judgement.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Dmitry

    some national pride in kids, and a kind of fun one too (“aww look at little Billy in his uniform”).

    Why are you writing about Billy and national pride (in Italy?). It’s not relevant to Russia.

    extreme pacifist streak (“young cattle…walk passively…slaughterhouse”). Countries have
    interests

    I’m not sure how you think this comment implies pacifism. They (military leaders) move their own children and money to the West, while the education department prepare children for war with the same West.

    This is Golikova kind of “optimization” of the health costs. It’s not necessarily the main motivation. But some of the optimization, is in the resource extraction economy, there are fixed income, but size of the population reduces the proportion of income which goes to the elite. Then there are parts of population like young men, which reduce political stability. You can also create from the postsoviet conflicts some kind of filter for “patriotism”, so you filter the educated part of the population to emigrate, while people selected for passivity and following instructions of their masters are not emigrating.

    Countries have interests and sometimes military force is required to secure those interests, in the course of which it’s understood some people are going to lose their lives

    Which would imply investing in the military instead of Monaco, not preparing children for voluntary-created war with much more powerful societies while they will have no protection if they go into the war – they will have to buy their own equipment, as the mobilized soldiers today.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Dmitry


    Why are you writing about Billy and national pride (in Italy?). It’s not relevant to Russia.
     
    But it is relevant to Russia. It's relevant to parents anywhere on earth. Because, as I clearly stated, I'm defending the general idea - not the content of that video (which I don't even know what it was because I don't care enough to watch it) - the general idea that there's nothing necessarily "unfit for parenthood" about parents who dress their kids in military uniforms. If you want to disagree, fine, we can just leave it at that.

    I’m not sure how you think this comment implies pacifism.
     
    Because emotionalizing the issue of war with expressions like "cattle off to be slaughtered" is a common approach used by pacifists. (Also by people who have actually experienced and been traumatized by war, especially when they feel they were badly led, but I don't think this applies to you.)
  1080. @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry


    Almost all most successful countries have populations around 10 million people or less people.
     
    They're successful, but they don't get to be major world players like the US or the EU or China or India are.

    And why would Africans want to immigrate to Russia. They want to immigrate to Europe.

     

    I wasn't only or even primarily talking about Africans here, but rather about Thais, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Hindus, Sikhs, and Latin Americans.

    It’s one of the most dying regions, even in dying regions. Nobody wants to pay for such dying places, not even people near there like China, especially not Middle Eastern countries would invest there.
     
    Israel could certainly benefit from having more space, though, even if this space is located extremely far away.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    world players like the US or the EU or China or India

    Yes, a tragedy.

    Citizens of Norway, Switzerland and Sweden, are crying every day, they are not a “world player like factory workers in China or lentil farmers in India”.

    People drinking champagne in Monaco every day saying “If we lived in India, we could be major world players”.

    Africans here, but rather about Thais, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Hindus, Sikhs, and Latin Americans.

    A significant immigration from Africa was already unlikely and this is even less likely.

    Why would any significant number of people in Thailand, Argentina or Vietnam want to emigrate to Russia? People emigrate to countries with higher standard of living. Thailand has almost 10 years more life expectancy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    Israel could certainly benefit from having more space, though, even if this space is located extremely far away.

    Why would they benefit from buying irrelevant land in unrelated areas, with elderly population. Unless there are special resources like gas or oil they can extract, and nobody would sell those places without adding value of the resources like oil or gas to the price of the land.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry


    Yes, a tragedy.

    Citizens of Norway, Switzerland and Sweden, are crying every day, they are not a “world player like factory workers in China or lentil farmers in India”.

    People drinking champagne in Monaco every day saying “If we lived in India, we could be major world players”.
     

    Being rich is obviously better than being poor, but being rich in a world power is better than being rich is a non-world power if you are equally rich in both places and if everything else (democracy level, freedom level, et cetera) remains the same.

    A significant immigration from Africa was already unlikely and this is even less likely.

    Why would any significant number of people in Thailand, Argentina or Vietnam want to emigrate to Russia? People emigrate to countries with higher standard of living. Thailand has almost 10 years more life expectancy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
     

    AFAIK, the low Russian life expectancy is not so much a symptom of Russia's bad healthcare system but rather because Russians still drink too much, commit too much suicide, engage in too much risky behavior, et cetera on average.

    Why would they benefit from buying irrelevant land in unrelated areas, with elderly population. Unless there are special resources like gas or oil they can extract, and nobody would sell those places without adding value of the resources like oil or gas to the price of the land.
     
    Can't some Israelis live there while engaging in remote work (IT, et cetera)?
  1081. @Dmitry
    @silviosilver


    some national pride in kids, and a kind of fun one too (“aww look at little Billy in his uniform”).

     

    Why are you writing about Billy and national pride (in Italy?). It's not relevant to Russia.

    extreme pacifist streak (“young cattle…walk passively…slaughterhouse”). Countries have
    interests
     
    I'm not sure how you think this comment implies pacifism. They (military leaders) move their own children and money to the West, while the education department prepare children for war with the same West.

    This is Golikova kind of "optimization" of the health costs. It's not necessarily the main motivation. But some of the optimization, is in the resource extraction economy, there are fixed income, but size of the population reduces the proportion of income which goes to the elite. Then there are parts of population like young men, which reduce political stability. You can also create from the postsoviet conflicts some kind of filter for "patriotism", so you filter the educated part of the population to emigrate, while people selected for passivity and following instructions of their masters are not emigrating.


    Countries have interests and sometimes military force is required to secure those interests, in the course of which it’s understood some people are going to lose their lives

     

    Which would imply investing in the military instead of Monaco, not preparing children for voluntary-created war with much more powerful societies while they will have no protection if they go into the war - they will have to buy their own equipment, as the mobilized soldiers today.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Why are you writing about Billy and national pride (in Italy?). It’s not relevant to Russia.

    But it is relevant to Russia. It’s relevant to parents anywhere on earth. Because, as I clearly stated, I’m defending the general idea – not the content of that video (which I don’t even know what it was because I don’t care enough to watch it) – the general idea that there’s nothing necessarily “unfit for parenthood” about parents who dress their kids in military uniforms. If you want to disagree, fine, we can just leave it at that.

    I’m not sure how you think this comment implies pacifism.

    Because emotionalizing the issue of war with expressions like “cattle off to be slaughtered” is a common approach used by pacifists. (Also by people who have actually experienced and been traumatized by war, especially when they feel they were badly led, but I don’t think this applies to you.)

  1082. @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    world players like the US or the EU or China or India
     
    Yes, a tragedy.

    Citizens of Norway, Switzerland and Sweden, are crying every day, they are not a "world player like factory workers in China or lentil farmers in India".

    People drinking champagne in Monaco every day saying "If we lived in India, we could be major world players".


    Africans here, but rather about Thais, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Hindus, Sikhs, and Latin Americans.
     
    A significant immigration from Africa was already unlikely and this is even less likely.

    Why would any significant number of people in Thailand, Argentina or Vietnam want to emigrate to Russia? People emigrate to countries with higher standard of living. Thailand has almost 10 years more life expectancy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy


    Israel could certainly benefit from having more space, though, even if this space is located extremely far away.

     

    Why would they benefit from buying irrelevant land in unrelated areas, with elderly population. Unless there are special resources like gas or oil they can extract, and nobody would sell those places without adding value of the resources like oil or gas to the price of the land.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yes, a tragedy.

    Citizens of Norway, Switzerland and Sweden, are crying every day, they are not a “world player like factory workers in China or lentil farmers in India”.

    People drinking champagne in Monaco every day saying “If we lived in India, we could be major world players”.

    Being rich is obviously better than being poor, but being rich in a world power is better than being rich is a non-world power if you are equally rich in both places and if everything else (democracy level, freedom level, et cetera) remains the same.

    A significant immigration from Africa was already unlikely and this is even less likely.

    Why would any significant number of people in Thailand, Argentina or Vietnam want to emigrate to Russia? People emigrate to countries with higher standard of living. Thailand has almost 10 years more life expectancy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    AFAIK, the low Russian life expectancy is not so much a symptom of Russia’s bad healthcare system but rather because Russians still drink too much, commit too much suicide, engage in too much risky behavior, et cetera on average.

    Why would they benefit from buying irrelevant land in unrelated areas, with elderly population. Unless there are special resources like gas or oil they can extract, and nobody would sell those places without adding value of the resources like oil or gas to the price of the land.

    Can’t some Israelis live there while engaging in remote work (IT, et cetera)?

  1083. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird

    I recommend reading the Japanese wiki with DeepL (or ChatGPT). Is there a reason that you are interested in the Japanese period with borrowed nomenclature over the Chinese one?

    戦国時代(せんごくじだい)Sengoku jidai is rather like HRE with many statelets. The Chinese Warring States period is more relevant for the present:

    https://i.postimg.cc/Nff3BYCd/1580545484id.jpg

    The PRC strategy is partly borrowed from Qin 秦 of the seven Warring States-- the six other states formed a nominal alliance against Qin, similar to G7 being allied against PRC.

    But Qin picked apart the alliance by forming bilateral alliances with four of the six states-- similar to PRC being presently the top trade partner of US, Japan, and Germany.

    Replies: @songbird, @nebulafox

    >戦国時代(せんごくじだい)Sengoku jidai is rather like HRE with many statelets.

    That’s an interesting comparison, particularly for the 30 year’s war era HRE. Even the religious element caused by the beginnings of globalization is there.

    You have any resources for ancient Chinese history? Pretty much everything I know is post-Sui/Tang, and it’s really causing problems at this point.

    Also, never did thank you for wishing me well earlier. So: thanks.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @nebulafox

    Sengoku and Spring and Autumn are both comparable to HRE-- weak centralization, Tennō and Eastern Zhou Son of Heaven are both figureheads, many petty states, constant warfare but not total war.

    Spring and Autumn evolved to Seven Warring States which is total war and Zhou Son of Heaven deposed, in parallel to HRE deposed by Napoleon and evolved to (about) Seven European Warring States from 1915 to 1945. Japan never made it to that step.

    Pre-Sui is still a broad set-- divided mainly to Pre-Qin and Post-Qin. I actually read most of it in Chinese, but Ebrey is a good anthology:

    https://archive.org/details/cambridgeillustr00ebre

    I would of course recommend Romance and Records of the Three Kingdoms since ink spilled on analysis and poetics on 3rd c. A.D. outweighs probably all the other 34 centuries combined. You want to know all the characters to converse with a literate native speaker.

    (You'll miss alot in the translation, but again GPT translator is getting really good at explaining context)

  1084. @nebulafox
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    >戦国時代(せんごくじだい)Sengoku jidai is rather like HRE with many statelets.

    That's an interesting comparison, particularly for the 30 year's war era HRE. Even the religious element caused by the beginnings of globalization is there.

    You have any resources for ancient Chinese history? Pretty much everything I know is post-Sui/Tang, and it's really causing problems at this point.

    Also, never did thank you for wishing me well earlier. So: thanks.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Sengoku and Spring and Autumn are both comparable to HRE– weak centralization, Tennō and Eastern Zhou Son of Heaven are both figureheads, many petty states, constant warfare but not total war.

    Spring and Autumn evolved to Seven Warring States which is total war and Zhou Son of Heaven deposed, in parallel to HRE deposed by Napoleon and evolved to (about) Seven European Warring States from 1915 to 1945. Japan never made it to that step.

    Pre-Sui is still a broad set– divided mainly to Pre-Qin and Post-Qin. I actually read most of it in Chinese, but Ebrey is a good anthology:

    https://archive.org/details/cambridgeillustr00ebre

    I would of course recommend Romance and Records of the Three Kingdoms since ink spilled on analysis and poetics on 3rd c. A.D. outweighs probably all the other 34 centuries combined. You want to know all the characters to converse with a literate native speaker.

    (You’ll miss alot in the translation, but again GPT translator is getting really good at explaining context)

  1085. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I'm not defending Russia, Putin or the war. I am explaining it in adult terms.

    Russian leaders have given a lot of speeches where they point out:

    1) The USA dropping out of the ABM treaty is an existential threat to Russia. The USA knows this, that was the point.

    2) Expansion of the anti-Russian NATO military alliance to the Russian border is an existential threat to Russia. NATO knows this, that is the point.

    3) Supporting an anti-Russia coup in a Russian sister-border country is an existential threat to Russia. The West knows this, that was the point.

    4) Russia will respond to these dire threats at a time and place of her choosing.

    The West believes Russia is weak and can be tamed while keeping the risk of nuclear war to a moderate level. The existence of the Status-6 and "Dead hand" systems suggest the Russian military takes this more seriously than our amateur Western statesmen believe.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Wokechoke, @John Johnson

    The assault in the Ukraine capital freaked out a lot of politicos.

  1086. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I'm not defending Russia, Putin or the war. I am explaining it in adult terms.

    Russian leaders have given a lot of speeches where they point out:

    1) The USA dropping out of the ABM treaty is an existential threat to Russia. The USA knows this, that was the point.

    2) Expansion of the anti-Russian NATO military alliance to the Russian border is an existential threat to Russia. NATO knows this, that is the point.

    3) Supporting an anti-Russia coup in a Russian sister-border country is an existential threat to Russia. The West knows this, that was the point.

    4) Russia will respond to these dire threats at a time and place of her choosing.

    The West believes Russia is weak and can be tamed while keeping the risk of nuclear war to a moderate level. The existence of the Status-6 and "Dead hand" systems suggest the Russian military takes this more seriously than our amateur Western statesmen believe.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail, @Wokechoke, @John Johnson

    Russian leaders have given a lot of speeches where they point out:

    Let’s see a source on that. As with the other Putin defenders you rarely provide one. Here is Putin’s original speech for the war:

    The USA dropping out of the ABM treaty is an existential threat to Russia. The USA knows this, that was the point.

    Putin hasn’t mentioned a treaty from 20 years ago in any of his war speeches. That is your own personal theory.

    Here is the full text of his Feb 2022 speech:
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/full-text-putin-s-declaration-of-war-on-ukraine/

    No mention of the ABM.

    Expansion of the anti-Russian NATO military alliance to the Russian border is an existential threat to Russia. NATO knows this, that is the point.

    Explain this statement given that:
    1. The Baltics are already on the Russian border and yet they don’t have nuclear weapons
    2. Ukraine did not qualify for NATO and did not have the votes of Germany and France before the invasion

    Supporting an anti-Russia coup in a Russian sister-border country is an existential threat to Russia. The West knows this, that was the point.

    Do explain how removing a corrupt president is a coup. Or are you denying that he was corrupt?

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