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Proposed text of Russia’s migration reforms on the Kremlin website (via Google Translate w/ manual edits) follows the neo-nationalist line I have been propounding and reporting on for the past year.
Of relevance to Russians, esp. those in the Near Abroad:
11. The general conditions for ensuring the security of the Russian Federation in the field of migration, the formation of which these proposals are generally aimed at, are:
а) granting the right to permanent residence in the Russian Federation and Russian citizenship, first of all, to persons who speak the Russian language and are close to us in mentality and culture;
б) flexible and convenient migration rules for the temporary stay in the Russian Federation of law-abiding foreign citizens;
в) the widespread introduction of modern digital technologies for the analysis of the migration situation, the organization of the provision of public services and the implementation of state control in the migration sphere.
In recent days, it was accompanied by a law that the Russian government prepared a law that eased citizenship acquisition for citizens of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, and Kazakhstan, including a cancelation of the 5 year residency requirement and the requirement to demonstrate knowledge of the Russian language for citizens of Belarus and Ukraine. So who precisely these “persons who speak the Russian language and are close to us in mentality and culture” are is quite unambiguous in context.
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в) to increase the flexibility of mechanisms for granting citizenship, including in order not to create (or to correct) situations in which the formally correct application of citizenship legislation is perceived as a manifestation of injustice and bureaucratic formalism by society, to empower the Commission on Citizenship under the President of the Russian Federation with the powers to consider the materials and, if necessary, to send to the President of the Russian Federation draft decisions regarding:
persons who are reprieved from missed deadline for filing applications;
persons who do not have evidence of Russian citizenship and are therefore in difficult life circumstances of a humanitarian nature (prolonged actual residence in the Russian Federation until the passport was seized, family relations in the Russian Federation, loss of connection with a foreign state, etc.)
And of relevance to Tajiks:
8. To attract foreign citizens, a legal entity and an individual entrepreneur must register in the state information system and place information on the need for foreign labor in it, within which, after a certain time, necessary for the selection by the employment service bodies of suitable subjects of the Russian Federation of workers from among Russian citizens, may hire any foreign citizen having a single document.
Individuals can also register in the state information system… to attract foreign citizens (nannies, nurses, repairmen, etc.). Registration makes it possible to access the official service for checking personal data and the migration status of a foreign citizen.
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в) the realization of the possibility of transferring part of the migration procedures outside the Russian Federation, including the passage by foreign citizens of checks for the presence of factors that impede entry into the Russian Federation, including the presence of dangerous infectious diseases, biometric registration (provided that the relevant infrastructure is created in the territories of foreign states);
г) the introduction of the institution of “agreement on loyalty”. This is a mechanism in which foreign citizens officially enter into obligations to enter the territory of the Russian Federation, the violation of which may result in the declaration of undesirability of stay (residence) in the Russian Federation and the loss of their right to stay in the Russian Federation (compliance with the law, non-participation in political activities and in activities of organizations prohibited in the Russian Federation, etc.);
So, basically, hiring foreigners would only be allowed after a period during which no Russian citizens forwarded to it by a state agency expresses an interest in the vacancy. This system could probably be gamed, but it’s better than nothing.
In the large picture, this seems to be the continuation of a general right-wing populist trend that we can now retroactively date back to about 2018. Should this continue I see no reason for Putin to not stay past 2024.
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The culture part being especially important. It is almost impossible to assimilate those with fundamentally different cultural values, even if they can speak the language.
Trump should follow Putin’s lead in this. Every legitimate U.S. citizen would back this:
… permanent residence in the United States and U.S. citizenship, first of all, to persons who speak the English language and are close to us in mentality and traditional culture;
Sad that the word traditional is required. Getting back to historic U.S. values means shedding modern cultural abominations, such as political correctness.
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I know the U.S. adopting a rational concept of citizenship seems unduly optimistic. However, Trump’s judicial appointments are beginning to bear fruit. (1)
Keeping 60,000 out is a good start. Only handful (if any) have true asylum claims. With more SC and other judicial appointments, 2nd term Trump will help the nation reclaim traditional Constitutional interpretation.
Even if you do not like Trump on a personal level. Think about the damage Biden (or even worse Hillary) appointments would due to the Constitution and the country.
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(1) https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/03/thursday-round-up-517/
are close to us in mentality
Wow!
I can’t even…
It being the current year and all.
Should this continue I see no reason for Putin to not stay past 2024.
Why don’t you just go ahead and say it. He needs to be declared as Tzar Putin.
That said, I wouldn't mind changing "President" to "Supreme Ruler": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Ruler_of_RussiaReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @nokangaroos, @songbird, @Mr. Hack, @Tusk, @Seraphim, @Boswald Bollocksworth
Pretty good parallel to today.Replies: @Seraphim
I don’t want him to become Tsar, since it carries too much baggage, and the situation with heirs is unclear (neither of his two daughters are qualified).
That said, I wouldn’t mind changing “President” to “Supreme Ruler”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Ruler_of_Russia
if Alexander II could do it .... :P
Supreme Leader is pretty good too. Interesting how “Supreme Leader” sounds somehow more grandiose than “Highest Governor”. Does Верховный правитель sound as militaristic or even Science-fictiony in Russian as “Supreme Leader” in English?Replies: @Korenchkin, @AP
That said, I wouldn't mind changing "President" to "Supreme Ruler": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Ruler_of_RussiaReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @nokangaroos, @songbird, @Mr. Hack, @Tusk, @Seraphim, @Boswald Bollocksworth
How about Fuhrer?
https://twitter.com/Zhirinovskiy/status/1237662863734362112Replies: @216, @The Big Red Scary
No fake words, only proper national terms.
A plague even deadlier than Wu flu.
That said, I wouldn't mind changing "President" to "Supreme Ruler": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Ruler_of_RussiaReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @nokangaroos, @songbird, @Mr. Hack, @Tusk, @Seraphim, @Boswald Bollocksworth
That still leaves two sons –
if Alexander II could do it …. 😛
That said, I wouldn't mind changing "President" to "Supreme Ruler": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Ruler_of_RussiaReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @nokangaroos, @songbird, @Mr. Hack, @Tusk, @Seraphim, @Boswald Bollocksworth
I kind of like the idea of Russians reclaiming the word “Tsar.” At a bare minimum, it would discourage the glib use of the word for bureaucrats in the Anglosphere.
That said, I wouldn't mind changing "President" to "Supreme Ruler": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Ruler_of_RussiaReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @nokangaroos, @songbird, @Mr. Hack, @Tusk, @Seraphim, @Boswald Bollocksworth
Yes, but somehow I think the world is creaking backwards with these relic titles from the past…At least he’ll not be alone.
WWI titles can only lead to WWI results.
https://twitter.com/Zhirinovskiy/status/1237662863734362112Replies: @216, @The Big Red Scary
Party lists are an awful idea, almost no average people become a party member in these times, and this makes MPs accountable only to party leadership.
The direct primary system, combined with the direct election of the Senators, works better in the US than its hobby horse “originalist” detractors think it does.
Party lists are also another feature of excessive centralization.
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Wouldn’t the authentic Russian term be “Autocrat” ?
The current mixed system with directly elected members of the Duma increases the dominance of the ruling party of power as the last Duma elections showed.
As leader of another relevant party, Zhirinovsky is of course opposed to that and wants to limit them to 2/5 of the seats.https://vk.com/zhirinovskyv
Autocrat is no better than Czar.Replies: @The Big Red Scary
American system is a corrupt freakshow.
At governor level, 2 United Russia governors got appointed because they were winners in the "leader of Russia" competition.
Autocrat is a nothing term. Putin is a million percent democratic politician and not a dictator - which the term "autocrat" might imply.Replies: @216
Party lists are a good idea if you want a multi-party system which is not too dominated by one party.
The current mixed system with directly elected members of the Duma increases the dominance of the ruling party of power as the last Duma elections showed.
As leader of another relevant party, Zhirinovsky is of course opposed to that and wants to limit them to 2/5 of the seats.
https://vk.com/zhirinovskyv
Autocrat is no better than Czar.
That said, I wouldn't mind changing "President" to "Supreme Ruler": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Ruler_of_RussiaReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @nokangaroos, @songbird, @Mr. Hack, @Tusk, @Seraphim, @Boswald Bollocksworth
What’s the Russian version of ‘Caudillo’?
United Russia does have primaries- I think it was 9-10 million people who voted in them.
American system is a corrupt freakshow.
At governor level, 2 United Russia governors got appointed because they were winners in the “leader of Russia” competition.
Autocrat is a nothing term. Putin is a million percent democratic politician and not a dictator – which the term “autocrat” might imply.
American system is a corrupt freakshow.
At governor level, 2 United Russia governors got appointed because they were winners in the "leader of Russia" competition.
Autocrat is a nothing term. Putin is a million percent democratic politician and not a dictator - which the term "autocrat" might imply.Replies: @216
But its our corrupt freakshow. I am not ashamed of this country’s traditions. No other system produces a multitude of offices and as many surprises as ours does.
lol
The election outcomes are well known in advance.
Which is a dictatorship, just like America’s perma-blue states (NY, CA, HI, etc)
Russians need to act like there is a group of people plotting to destroy their sovereignty. People who dream about grinding it into nothing every night – who are willing to use any means within their power, any deception, to slowly subvert it until it is Hyperborean Brazil.
If they are not doing this, if they are not testing their own defenses and plotting better ones, then they might as well follow the example of the white South Africans and decommission all their nuclear weapons because that would be a wiser course than handing them over to the stream of growing Africans, twenty years down the road.
That said, I wouldn't mind changing "President" to "Supreme Ruler": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Ruler_of_RussiaReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @nokangaroos, @songbird, @Mr. Hack, @Tusk, @Seraphim, @Boswald Bollocksworth
What about ‘Helmsman’ (рулевой, кормчий)?
https://twitter.com/Zhirinovskiy/status/1237662863734362112Replies: @216, @The Big Red Scary
A plague even deadlier than Wu flu.
The current mixed system with directly elected members of the Duma increases the dominance of the ruling party of power as the last Duma elections showed.
As leader of another relevant party, Zhirinovsky is of course opposed to that and wants to limit them to 2/5 of the seats.https://vk.com/zhirinovskyv
Autocrat is no better than Czar.Replies: @The Big Red Scary
At least to my ear, autocrat sounds better in Russian:
Samoderzh
I don’t know the precise etymology, but it looks to me like it should be translated as self-holder or self-possessor, rather than self-ruler.
And though it’s none of my business, I at least would have nothing against a new Tsar.
God grant him many years!
No hiring foreigners until literally every russian looking for work is employed?
We have officially reached peak based.
“So, basically, hiring foreigners would only be allowed after a period during which no Russian citizens forwarded to it by a state agency expresses an interest in the vacancy. This system could probably be gamed, but it’s better than nothing.”
If Russia ever become a place where people go to become faculty at a university or a leading scientist at a big research company, over let’s say, the USA… then this requirement would be bad as it would allow some less qualified Russian to deny me my job. I would like an even playing field in high skilled jobs. Still, we’re pretty far out from the time when poaching potential researchers from overseas is going to be an issue to consider and these rough edges would have to be worked out. I’d probably get permanent residence through my wife (and I share enough of the mentality and culture through her), but no way we’re going there unless we have good jobs and our current country of residence kicks us out in the middle of this Corona-crisis.
I would also appreciate provisions for second citizenship since I don’t want to give up my country’s. I haven’t lived there in forever of course, but all my family is there and I visit regularly. Since Putler reads this blog, please highlight these for him. Thx.
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/putler-only-wants-russian-and-or-smart-immigrants/Replies: @blatnoi
If Russia ever become a place where people go to become faculty at a university or a leading scientist at a big research company, over let's say, the USA... then this requirement would be bad as it would allow some less qualified Russian to deny me my job. I would like an even playing field in high skilled jobs. Still, we're pretty far out from the time when poaching potential researchers from overseas is going to be an issue to consider and these rough edges would have to be worked out. I'd probably get permanent residence through my wife (and I share enough of the mentality and culture through her), but no way we're going there unless we have good jobs and our current country of residence kicks us out in the middle of this Corona-crisis.
I would also appreciate provisions for second citizenship since I don't want to give up my country's. I haven't lived there in forever of course, but all my family is there and I visit regularly. Since Putler reads this blog, please highlight these for him. Thx.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
That is likely going to happen soon:
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/putler-only-wants-russian-and-or-smart-immigrants/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/putler-only-wants-russian-and-or-smart-immigrants/Replies: @blatnoi
Yeah, I read that post, but subsequently heard nothing materialize out of it. Though I only follow this blog and a few others pretty much and don’t read Russian news. Lately I’ve been trying to watch Artem Lebedev news on youtube, but he just talks very fast, swears a lot and doesn’t really tell you much useful information. It is good for brushing up on Russian though. I feel like he’s a good compliment to this blog on the Russian Zeitgeist, and he represents the pulse of what the young generation would like to see happen in politics; he did mention that he wants for qualified people to have no barriers in coming and working to Russia in one of his videos lately. But ultimately he’s just a designer.
If they are not doing this, if they are not testing their own defenses and plotting better ones, then they might as well follow the example of the white South Africans and decommission all their nuclear weapons because that would be a wiser course than handing them over to the stream of growing Africans, twenty years down the road.Replies: @neutral
It is hardly a secret that the there a lot of people in the elite corridors of power that want this, they say these things openly. What I don’t understand is the Russia reaction to this, it seems like they are incredibly naive at times, talking about improving relations with the USA when the US regime becoming increasingly belligerent.
Imperialism is based and redpilled so this is ok.
Sturm und Drang!
Large gold medallions and car parts worn as ornaments are traditional Democrat voter paraphernalia. French Montana (picture below) is a known associate of DNC presidential candidates (1).
Whoever added the verbiage to the cartoon got it wrong. This is clearly anti-MAGA, team Blue Pill in action.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.miaminewtimes.com/arts/miami-nightlife-photos-cardi-b-french-montana-the-democratic-candidates-11212020
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https://mojidelano.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/17-43-13-filepicker_cbrbdozqewbfvkdqwkfa_french-montana.pngReplies: @Mr. Hack
Is the Kazakhstan part limited to ethnic Russians or to everyone? Also, why Kazakhstan and not also the other Central Asian republics?
BTW, off-topic, and I really hate to be a nuisance, but when exactly are you going to have a new open thread, Anatoly? It’s already been several days since you promised one.
This is a deadly game Russia must play, because the Anglo-Zionist Empire is determined to force the globe to bow to Anglophone multiculturalism, to multiculturalism as WASP Elites and Jews see it.
Russia can use an influx of people, but they must be the right people culturally and ethnically, else even when they bring great talents (say, PhD in physics or chemistry or computer science, or MDs), they will do more than a little harm.
Russia should not allow any Jews, Moslems, blacks, New Agers, Sodomites/Gomorrahans, Protestants, Mormons, Quakers, Scientologists, Hindus, Buddhists. Peoples of preponderantly Germanic ancestry should be allowed to immigrate into Russia only when there is a history proving that they have strong affinity for Slavic and other non-Germanic European cultures (and they definitely should not be any type Protestant).
Russia should make a concerted effort to woo whites who have been screwed by the Anglo-Zionist Empire, including whites not from the Anglosphere (French Yellow Vests, for example).
I would advise nations like Hungary and Poland to do the same.
I'm not a regular poster here as much as I am on the Audacious Epigone blog, but I don't recall any of the self-identified Russian posters indicating they are religiously observant.
If there is a Russian grand strategy, it seems like trying to outlast its neighbors as they implode one-by-one. A slow motion version of Bonaparte's Hundred Days.Replies: @Seraphim, @anonymous coward, @Big Beautiful Wall
Least of all "hig IQ" ones.
Remember, it was "high IQ intellectuals" who brought to Russia Marxism.
And today, high IQ people are even more completely pozzed.
High IQ people are idiots loyal to their "intellekshual" delusions, or complete mercenaries who care for $$$ and nothing else. None of them could ever be trusted.
Russia does not need immigration, Russia needs DEPORTATION.
Russia must ban multiple citizenship. Russian must be Russian and nothing else.
All dual citizens must be stripped of Russian citizenship and DEPORTED.
Armenians to Armenia, Georgians to Georgia, Germans to Germany, Jews to Israel. All the vermin who bought US citizenship and arranged fore their spawn to be born in US, send them to Mar-a-Lago.
Then, build BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL around Russian borders and do not let anyone in, ever.
This is a disaster for Russia. The road to national welfare socialism is laid out give or take anti semitism. An honest Russia would grant minority nations independence, including the various Volga Bulgars and Bashkiris, even Chuchkis and especially the North Caucasus. Maybe the different varieties of Finns can be kept. This will propagate a dozen Northen Irelands in time as civic rights of the minorities are eroded away.
I'm sure I'm stating the obvious here, but English tradition eschews a written constitution, in the belief that one is largely meaningless, as it is the quality and principles of the men who govern that matter. That idea contains some truth, but some thoughtful article might have prevented these radical demographic changes, which seem to have no end in sight, been a bulwark for good men to rally behind, without influencing the situation in Ireland whatsoever.
And, in fact, it was immigration that created the problems of Northern Ireland.
No point in starting Catholic vs Protestant conflicts when both sides become atheist and/or get replaced with non-Christians
There isn't even a language barrier since Irish is a dead language
Russia can use an influx of people, but they must be the right people culturally and ethnically, else even when they bring great talents (say, PhD in physics or chemistry or computer science, or MDs), they will do more than a little harm.
Russia should not allow any Jews, Moslems, blacks, New Agers, Sodomites/Gomorrahans, Protestants, Mormons, Quakers, Scientologists, Hindus, Buddhists. Peoples of preponderantly Germanic ancestry should be allowed to immigrate into Russia only when there is a history proving that they have strong affinity for Slavic and other non-Germanic European cultures (and they definitely should not be any type Protestant).
Russia should make a concerted effort to woo whites who have been screwed by the Anglo-Zionist Empire, including whites not from the Anglosphere (French Yellow Vests, for example).
I would advise nations like Hungary and Poland to do the same.Replies: @216, @Big Beautiful Wall, @Daniel Chieh
That’s a big ask, the most “based” people in the West tend to be of the “fundamentalist” Protestant variety. Trad Catholics, and worse RadTrads, are mostly a fringe community. Asking all of these people to convert to Orthodoxy looks like an even bigger ask, as Russian church attendance is about the same as France.
I’m not a regular poster here as much as I am on the Audacious Epigone blog, but I don’t recall any of the self-identified Russian posters indicating they are religiously observant.
If there is a Russian grand strategy, it seems like trying to outlast its neighbors as they implode one-by-one. A slow motion version of Bonaparte’s Hundred Days.
ROFL. Come on.
Are you fooled because some of them now like Russia? Tomorrow, their "pastors" could tell them it is written in the bible that Russia is Gog and Magog, and these bleating sheep will call for nuclear war.
Evangelicals are nothing than mindless robots mindlessly following their money grubbing "pastors", The most cucked people in existence.
I'm not a regular poster here as much as I am on the Audacious Epigone blog, but I don't recall any of the self-identified Russian posters indicating they are religiously observant.
If there is a Russian grand strategy, it seems like trying to outlast its neighbors as they implode one-by-one. A slow motion version of Bonaparte's Hundred Days.Replies: @Seraphim, @anonymous coward, @Big Beautiful Wall
Russia outlasted all her neighbors who came ‘demanding soil and water’ only to become themselves ‘soil and water’. And it will for the foreseeable future. Russia has not yet completed her circle of destiny. Euramerica has.
IMO, Russians should take care not to propagate modern Rotherham, Bermingham, or London. These are probably easier to recreate than Northern Ireland.
I’m sure I’m stating the obvious here, but English tradition eschews a written constitution, in the belief that one is largely meaningless, as it is the quality and principles of the men who govern that matter. That idea contains some truth, but some thoughtful article might have prevented these radical demographic changes, which seem to have no end in sight, been a bulwark for good men to rally behind, without influencing the situation in Ireland whatsoever.
And, in fact, it was immigration that created the problems of Northern Ireland.
I’m partial to Velikiy Knyaz’ Vladimir. (Grand Prince). Also, Grand Prince has Novgorod Republican tradition, and that was Putin’s neighborhood. And Novgorod was fairly democratic – they had veche (people’s assembly), elected executive power, transnational corporations (Hanseatic League merchant guild network), they beat back Western Armies (Teutons), and dealt with the rising East (Mongols).
Pretty good parallel to today.
That said, I wouldn't mind changing "President" to "Supreme Ruler": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Ruler_of_RussiaReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @nokangaroos, @songbird, @Mr. Hack, @Tusk, @Seraphim, @Boswald Bollocksworth
In the Kaiser Reich mod of HOI4 (which is fantastic) If you pick Savinkov as leader, he gets the title Вождь, I guess people would never go for that. A pity.
Supreme Leader is pretty good too. Interesting how “Supreme Leader” sounds somehow more grandiose than “Highest Governor”. Does Верховный правитель sound as militaristic or even Science-fictiony in Russian as “Supreme Leader” in English?
Pretty good parallel to today.Replies: @Seraphim
You would have noticed that the ones who finally dealt with the Mongols (and with all others) have been the Muscovites.
I'm not a regular poster here as much as I am on the Audacious Epigone blog, but I don't recall any of the self-identified Russian posters indicating they are religiously observant.
If there is a Russian grand strategy, it seems like trying to outlast its neighbors as they implode one-by-one. A slow motion version of Bonaparte's Hundred Days.Replies: @Seraphim, @anonymous coward, @Big Beautiful Wall
You’re asking for Internet meme personalities to be sane?
ROFL. Come on.
You would have noticed that the ones who finally dealt with the Mongols (and with all others) have been the Muscovites.
And we are back to: Who are the real Russkies?
Don’t you know diversity is your real strength?
The real 'Russkies' are the ones who identify themselves as such (ethnically, linguistically, culturally), the Russian State Forming and State maintaining people, since Saint Vladimir to... Vladimir Putin.Replies: @AP
Supreme Leader is pretty good too. Interesting how “Supreme Leader” sounds somehow more grandiose than “Highest Governor”. Does Верховный правитель sound as militaristic or even Science-fictiony in Russian as “Supreme Leader” in English?Replies: @Korenchkin, @AP
Why not translate it as Supreme Commander
The conflict in Northern Ireland has evaporated with a pathetic wimper
No point in starting Catholic vs Protestant conflicts when both sides become atheist and/or get replaced with non-Christians
There isn’t even a language barrier since Irish is a dead language
I'm not a regular poster here as much as I am on the Audacious Epigone blog, but I don't recall any of the self-identified Russian posters indicating they are religiously observant.
If there is a Russian grand strategy, it seems like trying to outlast its neighbors as they implode one-by-one. A slow motion version of Bonaparte's Hundred Days.Replies: @Seraphim, @anonymous coward, @Big Beautiful Wall
LOL based. Evangelicals love Israel, love Africans, hate Muslims only because the Muslims hate Israel.
Are you fooled because some of them now like Russia? Tomorrow, their “pastors” could tell them it is written in the bible that Russia is Gog and Magog, and these bleating sheep will call for nuclear war.
Evangelicals are nothing than mindless robots mindlessly following their money grubbing “pastors”, The most cucked people in existence.
Russia can use an influx of people, but they must be the right people culturally and ethnically, else even when they bring great talents (say, PhD in physics or chemistry or computer science, or MDs), they will do more than a little harm.
Russia should not allow any Jews, Moslems, blacks, New Agers, Sodomites/Gomorrahans, Protestants, Mormons, Quakers, Scientologists, Hindus, Buddhists. Peoples of preponderantly Germanic ancestry should be allowed to immigrate into Russia only when there is a history proving that they have strong affinity for Slavic and other non-Germanic European cultures (and they definitely should not be any type Protestant).
Russia should make a concerted effort to woo whites who have been screwed by the Anglo-Zionist Empire, including whites not from the Anglosphere (French Yellow Vests, for example).
I would advise nations like Hungary and Poland to do the same.Replies: @216, @Big Beautiful Wall, @Daniel Chieh
And then, Russia shall stop all other immigrants, because Russia does not need any. NONE AT ALL.
Least of all “hig IQ” ones.
Remember, it was “high IQ intellectuals” who brought to Russia Marxism.
And today, high IQ people are even more completely pozzed.
High IQ people are idiots loyal to their “intellekshual” delusions, or complete mercenaries who care for $$$ and nothing else. None of them could ever be trusted.
Russia does not need immigration, Russia needs DEPORTATION.
Russia must ban multiple citizenship. Russian must be Russian and nothing else.
All dual citizens must be stripped of Russian citizenship and DEPORTED.
Armenians to Armenia, Georgians to Georgia, Germans to Germany, Jews to Israel. All the vermin who bought US citizenship and arranged fore their spawn to be born in US, send them to Mar-a-Lago.
Then, build BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL around Russian borders and do not let anyone in, ever.
I think the closest native Slavic equivalent would be вождь. It’s not quite the best fit etymologically, but probably most appropriate in terms of associations.
As in English, of course, there is also the direct loan: каудильо.
In my opinion, though, neither really seems to fit Vladimir Vladimirovich.
Supreme Leader is pretty good too. Interesting how “Supreme Leader” sounds somehow more grandiose than “Highest Governor”. Does Верховный правитель sound as militaristic or even Science-fictiony in Russian as “Supreme Leader” in English?Replies: @Korenchkin, @AP
So, an imitation of Banderism (this was his title).
This has a retro 30s flavor, the term used by Bandera lol.
Sounds cheap and third-worldly. Bolivia with nukes. Beneath Russia.
If VVP were younger, it would be cool if he married some Romanov and restored the dynasty.
But he could borrow a term from those guys, such as самодержец.
http://www.castaliahouse.com/downloads/victoria-a-novel-of-4th-generation-war/
I gather the writing is pretty mediocre, but the ideas sound kind of imaginative and original.
But I approve, then Putler can just claim to be following in the shining path of Lenin, Bandera and Stalin.
https://www.marxists.org/russkij/stalin/t4/lenin_as_organizer.htm
Why stop at just restoring a name and a dynasty? Why not complete the trifecta while you’re at it and restore the whole empire too? Now how cool is that?
Russia in its early 17th century borders was fine.
Unfortunately, it’s trying to recreate its 1991 borders.
Russia in its 1914 plus 1867 borders was fine.
I suppose that’s also valid. For some reason Supreme Leader and Supreme Commander both sound militaristic, or like some Science Fiction dictatorship. The Russian root to me makes me think “government” Chief Governor, like maybe it isn’t so militaristic
Well then. I withdraw my endorsement. Savinkov does have the best policies in Kaiser Reich tho, so I stand by picking him.
It was inherently unstable as later events proved. Having Ukraine, Poland and Baltics gave Russia the Latvian Rifles, Trotsky and many of the Bolsheviks, and a border population eager to help whoever came from the West.
Refusing to take Donbas contradicts this.
How about “Fearless Leader”, the title of the dictator like ruler of Pottsylvania, a loosely veiled reference to the Soviet Union in the 1960’s super hit comic cartoon show “The Rocky & Bullwinkle” show? This rendition of the authoritarian Russian strongman leader helped shape the views of millions of American boomers regarding the Soviet Union, or as it was almost synonymously referred to then, as just “Russia.” The campy humor exhibited within this “children’s cartoon show” often incorporated political and cultural topics usually reserved for a somewhat savvy and maturer adult audience. I mean all of the other titles thrown out here are silly and anachronistic, so why not “Fearless Leader?”
Robert De Niro plays the “Fearless Leader” in the 2000 classic “The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle.”
Why take the Donbas, when the real prize is the whole of Ukraine? A renewed “satellite” would more than suffice. I don’t think that Karlin would object to the idea?
Fine, if you agree to a “Ukraine” in its early 17th century borders, lol.
Is that James Carville dancing on the roof of his Toyota Prius?
Large gold medallions and car parts worn as ornaments are traditional Democrat voter paraphernalia. French Montana (picture below) is a known associate of DNC presidential candidates (1).
Whoever added the verbiage to the cartoon got it wrong. This is clearly anti-MAGA, team Blue Pill in action.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.miaminewtimes.com/arts/miami-nightlife-photos-cardi-b-french-montana-the-democratic-candidates-11212020
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Russia can use an influx of people, but they must be the right people culturally and ethnically, else even when they bring great talents (say, PhD in physics or chemistry or computer science, or MDs), they will do more than a little harm.
Russia should not allow any Jews, Moslems, blacks, New Agers, Sodomites/Gomorrahans, Protestants, Mormons, Quakers, Scientologists, Hindus, Buddhists. Peoples of preponderantly Germanic ancestry should be allowed to immigrate into Russia only when there is a history proving that they have strong affinity for Slavic and other non-Germanic European cultures (and they definitely should not be any type Protestant).
Russia should make a concerted effort to woo whites who have been screwed by the Anglo-Zionist Empire, including whites not from the Anglosphere (French Yellow Vests, for example).
I would advise nations like Hungary and Poland to do the same.Replies: @216, @Big Beautiful Wall, @Daniel Chieh
Sergey Shoygu, the Minister of Defense, is Buddhist.
Vox Day’s publishing house put out a techno-thriller some years back that apparently had pretty much that as its plot. The United States collapsed into multicultural anarchy after a flu pandemic triggered an economic meltdown and destroyed public confidence in the government, while Russia was saved by a patriotic young general who restored the monarchy as Tsar Alexander Romanov. He then sent military aid to the “good guys” faction in the American civil war, as per the Syrian model.
http://www.castaliahouse.com/downloads/victoria-a-novel-of-4th-generation-war/
I gather the writing is pretty mediocre, but the ideas sound kind of imaginative and original.
Large gold medallions and car parts worn as ornaments are traditional Democrat voter paraphernalia. French Montana (picture below) is a known associate of DNC presidential candidates (1).
Whoever added the verbiage to the cartoon got it wrong. This is clearly anti-MAGA, team Blue Pill in action.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.miaminewtimes.com/arts/miami-nightlife-photos-cardi-b-french-montana-the-democratic-candidates-11212020
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https://mojidelano.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/17-43-13-filepicker_cbrbdozqewbfvkdqwkfa_french-montana.pngReplies: @Mr. Hack
Just your everyday garden variety boomer UNZ reader trying to get a handle on the modern slang (urban dictionary to the rescue). 🙂
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/based-and-redpilled
I still think the picture looks like team Blue Pill though. It's clearly James Carville performing a ritual summoning dance on top of his Lefty Prius. Precursor to the SMUG formation South Park warned us was coming:
https://i.giphy.com/media/l3vR8OQOUPsOeu6A0/200.webp
PEACE 😇Replies: @Mr. Hack
https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeopledotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2018%2F08%2Frobert-de-niro-5.jpg
Robert De Niro plays the "Fearless Leader" in the 2000 classic "The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle."Replies: @Hyperborean
Because Vova is not fat enough to be a Best Korean expy.
As you can see for yourself, the original “Fearless Leader” was a svelte, middle aged white guy, neither Korean looking nor overweight. Even Robert De Niro, in the new millennial readaptation wasn’t overweight nor Asian looking. Perhaps, you should reconsider the appropriateness of this new (0ld) nomenclature? 🙂
You may say that, but there is no way most people can overlook the "Dear Leader", "Cherished Leader", "Great Leader" association.
Anyway, if we are discussing dictator titles I would choose something more understated like Director or Viceroy (I'm guessing Supreme Leader or simply Dictator is too "powerful" for most people).
Restoration of some type of Intermarium would of course be a good thing.
Top kek.Replies: @AP
VVP is smart enough to know it isn’t feasible.
So, why is he still supporting (and behind) the long protracted war in the Donbas then, going on 6 years now? The propaganda war against Ukraine is progressing unabated. You don’t think that if a Yanukovych type leader were to somehow reemerge in Ukraine, even somebody less thuggish, a renewed and stronger emphasis from the Kremlin of reincorporation into Russian geopolitical spheres would reemerge? Don’t you think that reincorporating Ukraine under its influence, creating a bigger and more docile Byelorusian type state is high on old Putler’s wishlist? I think that nothing would thrill him more than having Ukraine under his thumb to recreate what everyone would see as a legitimate empire.
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You may say that, but there is no way most people can overlook the “Dear Leader”, “Cherished Leader”, “Great Leader” association.
Anyway, if we are discussing dictator titles I would choose something more understated like Director or Viceroy (I’m guessing Supreme Leader or simply Dictator is too “powerful” for most people).
Only in America: a self-described “Ukrainian nationalist” who thinks being conquered by Poland (of all places!) would be the best thing ever.
Top kek.
I never described myself as a Ukrainian nationalist and indeed consider nationalism to be a modern evil; albeit one that is not as bad as more-modern ones such as Communism or hedonism-consumerism. And of course partnership is not conquest.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
This does not mean what you seem to believe it means.
Not a boomer, but clearly not a 4chan-er either.
I still think the picture looks like team Blue Pill though. It’s clearly James Carville performing a ritual summoning dance on top of his Lefty Prius. Precursor to the SMUG formation South Park warned us was coming:
PEACE 😇
https://i.giphy.com/media/l3vR8OQOUPsOeu6A0/200.webpReplies: @A123
I still think the picture looks like team Blue Pill though. It's clearly James Carville performing a ritual summoning dance on top of his Lefty Prius. Precursor to the SMUG formation South Park warned us was coming:
https://i.giphy.com/media/l3vR8OQOUPsOeu6A0/200.webp
PEACE 😇Replies: @Mr. Hack
This is what I get when I go to your link? It doesn’t do much to explain what South Park warned us about what was coming?
____I'm still not sure why you would label "MAGA Gang" a drawing of anti-MAGA activists James Carville and French Montana. Whatever point you were trying to make was thoroughly obliterated by cognitive dissonance and internal inconsistency in the graphic that you shared.-- Are you saying that the NeoConDemocrat imperialism of Team Blue (Carville/Montana) is good?
-- Or, are you supporting the MAGA anti-imperialism of Team Red as good?Your sudden transition to German instead of English, also added to your lack of clarity.Would you like to try again in English, instead of German+4chan hybrid speak?PEACE 😇Replies: @Mr. Hack
And how would you know that?
It would be like connecting Wagner with a significant association to Vietnam, technically it can be done, but it would violate the spirit.Replies: @Mr. Hack
I assume you were connecting Sturm und Drang with Russian and Chinese autocracy and a general celebration of imperialism (unless you are simply making unconnected points).
It would be like connecting Wagner with a significant association to Vietnam, technically it can be done, but it would violate the spirit.
Exactly. Many freedom loving Americans are proud to make Russia their new home.
https://twitter.com/ColborneMichael/status/1239921669935968256
100% based, 100% redpilled, 200% perfect new Russian.
America’s loss, Russia’s gain!
I think rules against tattoos would be a good supplement to any system of immigration restrictionism. There should be a blanket ban on women with tattoos.Replies: @another anon
And as to RT's intention, assuming this story ran in Russian as well, I'd say their intention was more likely to humiliate Americans and make them look like losers "Average American Man Must Flee to Russian Federation in Search of Liberty!".
How exactly would Bad Vlad actually be able to pull this off, though? I mean, even back in 2012, Yanukovych actually needed to change the rules in favor of winner-take-all in order for the pro-Russian forces in Ukraine to actually win a parliamentary majority–and that was before the post-2014 anti-Russian wave of sentiment in Ukraine!
If the real prize is the whole of Ukraine, why take Crimea and thus both remove a lot of pro-Russian voters from Ukraine and make the rest of Ukraine (other than the Donbass) extremely angry at Russia for doing this?
What about having Russia give up all of these territories as well as southern Central Asia (too many Muslims) but annex Mongolia, Xinjiang, Pontus, and Ottoman Armenia to compensate for this?
Top kek.Replies: @AP
As usual you are wrong. But being wrong is who you are. 🙂
I never described myself as a Ukrainian nationalist and indeed consider nationalism to be a modern evil; albeit one that is not as bad as more-modern ones such as Communism or hedonism-consumerism. And of course partnership is not conquest.
It would be like connecting Wagner with a significant association to Vietnam, technically it can be done, but it would violate the spirit.Replies: @Mr. Hack
I meant it as perhaps a loose rendering of “Away we go” in a sort of sarcastic manner. Many readers here (perhaps even yourself) are emotionally supportive of an autocratic sort of ruler – I’m not. I believe that too much power held in the hands of any ruler for a long period of time only breeds corruption. Not enough corrupt oligarchs, politicians and business leaders in Russia are made to pay for their crimes, unlike the US, where many white collar crook are behind bars (where they belong). Russia’s corruption is so entrenched, that it’s hard to see its society moving forward in any meaningful way.
Putler actually tried to foment separation in all of the so called “Novo-Russia” and only ended up successful in Crimea and partially successful in Donbas. I believe he would have gladly tried to gobble up more had the Easterners showed more support for separation.
Well, really anyone after Benito can’t really claim originality.
But I approve, then Putler can just claim to be following in the shining path of Lenin, Bandera and Stalin.
https://www.marxists.org/russkij/stalin/t4/lenin_as_organizer.htm
Oh, I would like to apologise for my insinuations then.
While I don’t think democracy really works for any country which is below World Power-tier at the moment due to the deep-rooted psychological behaviour of people, I am not actually in favour of personalistic rule and cults of personality (not counting dead people or ceremonial monarchs) and would prefer a regime which is more institutional and more reliant on its “Ideological State Apparatus” for obedience.
Well, that’s an idealistic view.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_white-collar_criminals
Anything comparable about Russian white collar criminals?Replies: @Hyperborean
https://twitter.com/ColborneMichael/status/1239921669935968256
100% based, 100% redpilled, 200% perfect new Russian.
America's loss, Russia's gain!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETUIwzzWoAQDig7.jpgReplies: @Hyperborean, @Mr. Hack, @songbird, @Athletic and Whitesplosive
Whatever views one has, there is no way to make anyone with a tattooed face look telegenic.
At least when RT were so stupid as put the Russian Hannibal Lecter on the front page, Zverev turned out to be an イケメン.
https://twitter.com/ColborneMichael/status/1239921669935968256
100% based, 100% redpilled, 200% perfect new Russian.
America's loss, Russia's gain!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETUIwzzWoAQDig7.jpgReplies: @Hyperborean, @Mr. Hack, @songbird, @Athletic and Whitesplosive
The guy looks like a walking talking freakshow – good luck with your new “bro”. 🙂
https://i.giphy.com/media/l3vR8OQOUPsOeu6A0/200.webpReplies: @A123
Hmmm…. You have to know the South Park episode (from 2006). Perhaps you are too young to remember the show.
https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Smug_Alert!
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I’m still not sure why you would label “MAGA Gang” a drawing of anti-MAGA activists James Carville and French Montana. Whatever point you were trying to make was thoroughly obliterated by cognitive dissonance and internal inconsistency in the graphic that you shared.
— Are you saying that the NeoConDemocrat imperialism of Team Blue (Carville/Montana) is good?
— Or, are you supporting the MAGA anti-imperialism of Team Red as good?
Your sudden transition to German instead of English, also added to your lack of clarity.
Would you like to try again in English, instead of German+4chan hybrid speak?
PEACE 😇
You can’t have a genuine Intermarium without lots and lots of Jews, though!
First of all, it’s PUTLER!, not Putler. Secondly, this just strengthens my point here–Ukrainians aren’t exactly eager for a return to the Russian orbit. Galicians and western Ukrainians were actually willing to work hard and aggressively protest and even fight for months for what they believed in–hence the success of the Maidan Revolution in 2013-2014. Among Novorussians, though, this same level of enthusiasm for Russia appears to have only existed in Crimea and the Donbass.
I never described myself as a Ukrainian nationalist and indeed consider nationalism to be a modern evil; albeit one that is not as bad as more-modern ones such as Communism or hedonism-consumerism. And of course partnership is not conquest.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Except Belarusian nationalism, right? That specific type of nationalism is harmless, no?
https://twitter.com/ColborneMichael/status/1239921669935968256
100% based, 100% redpilled, 200% perfect new Russian.
America's loss, Russia's gain!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETUIwzzWoAQDig7.jpgReplies: @Hyperborean, @Mr. Hack, @songbird, @Athletic and Whitesplosive
Probably atypical. In my experience, most people who engage in forms of extreme body modification are for open borders.
I think rules against tattoos would be a good supplement to any system of immigration restrictionism. There should be a blanket ban on women with tattoos.
If he is atypical, why RT chose him as example of model immigrant to Russia? I fail to understand the thinking of someone who okayed it (unless he was mole trying to sabotage RT from within and discredit Russia as much as possible).Replies: @Dmitry, @songbird
____I'm still not sure why you would label "MAGA Gang" a drawing of anti-MAGA activists James Carville and French Montana. Whatever point you were trying to make was thoroughly obliterated by cognitive dissonance and internal inconsistency in the graphic that you shared.-- Are you saying that the NeoConDemocrat imperialism of Team Blue (Carville/Montana) is good?
-- Or, are you supporting the MAGA anti-imperialism of Team Red as good?Your sudden transition to German instead of English, also added to your lack of clarity.Would you like to try again in English, instead of German+4chan hybrid speak?PEACE 😇Replies: @Mr. Hack
Your complaint with the comic strip depiction should be with the artist, not with me. I was surprised that I found it with the caption “Based & Red Pilled” and decided to use it to elicit a response from the original commenter. I wanted to draw him out as to why he felt that imperialism is Okay? I apologize if I misused the cartoon, not familiar with the 2006 South Park episode.
check this out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_white-collar_criminals
Anything comparable about Russian white collar criminals?
My apologies. I thought that you grafted the comic together, rather than the problem being upstream. It’s hard to believe anyone, even a 4chan-er, intentionally drafted it that way.
Perhaps there was a joke that went with the original image that was lost along the way. The yellow area behind the title might be Ohio shaped.
You can probably stream the South Park episode (with commercials). Short form, it is about the smug moral superiority of leftist signalling. Season 10 of South Park is very funny, such as Al Gore as ManBearPig.
https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/ManBearPig
PEACE 😇
I think rules against tattoos would be a good supplement to any system of immigration restrictionism. There should be a blanket ban on women with tattoos.Replies: @another anon
Well, this guy is for open borders, at least for him 😉
If he is atypical, why RT chose him as example of model immigrant to Russia? I fail to understand the thinking of someone who okayed it (unless he was mole trying to sabotage RT from within and discredit Russia as much as possible).
Do you want to suggest that the Muscovites are not ‘real’ Russkies?
The real ‘Russkies’ are the ones who identify themselves as such (ethnically, linguistically, culturally), the Russian State Forming and State maintaining people, since Saint Vladimir to… Vladimir Putin.
In the nationality sense of the word I assume you mean – it’s people who are racially and culturally Russians (i.e. the racially Russian people that grow up in Russia).
But unlike in the USSR, there is no legal basis of this term anymore. In Soviet times, nationality was a legal category, based on the nationality of parents, and written on a lot of your documents. (Although people of mixed nationality almost always choose “Russian” for their children, so the meaning became diluted). Whereas today in the Russian Federation nationality is only recorded in the census, and people are allowed to identify as any nationality they want for the census (so in the census nationality became a category that tracks self-identifications).
If he is atypical, why RT chose him as example of model immigrant to Russia? I fail to understand the thinking of someone who okayed it (unless he was mole trying to sabotage RT from within and discredit Russia as much as possible).Replies: @Dmitry, @songbird
RT does not need to be logically consistent.
It is designed to undermine the confidence of citizens in the West, and probably as it is the easiest way to get an audience, it targets the weakest and stupidest people in the herd.
So its audience are not “high IQ people” who will think critically or care about logical inconsistencies. I doubt they even watch the same platform across different languages.
To look at it at the deeper level though, the motive of the working people there, like for many government projects, is the money from the budget. I mean, its journalist director along with her boyfriend are the couple who somehow used millions of dollars to produce…
(too lazy to find the real statistics)Sure it wouldn't be too hard to find some succesful and presentable one who would be willing to talk on RT how great is life in Russia and how great leader is Putin, while showing his big house, big car, happy family and nice Russian town where he lives.
It is designed to undermine the confidence of citizens in the West
And it did the exact opposite – confirmed the worst stereotypes about Russia (land of alcoholic losers and criminal thugs).
There are thousands, possibly tens of thousands of Americans living permanently in Russia.
(too lazy to find the real statistics)
Sure it wouldn’t be too hard to find some succesful and presentable one who would be willing to talk on RT how great is life in Russia and how great leader is Putin, while showing his big house, big car, happy family and nice Russian town where he lives.
If he is atypical, why RT chose him as example of model immigrant to Russia? I fail to understand the thinking of someone who okayed it (unless he was mole trying to sabotage RT from within and discredit Russia as much as possible).Replies: @Dmitry, @songbird
I don’t follow RT enough to give a reasoned opinion, but I think Dmitry may be right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_white-collar_criminals
Anything comparable about Russian white collar criminals?Replies: @Hyperborean
Sorry I can’t open the wikipedia link right now.
But there is a lot open corruption in America (and to be fair, internationally) that goes unremarked upon like immense speaking fees, book deals for politicians, revolving door employment, sub-contractors.
I’m not saying Russia is a wonderful country when it comes to corruption, it is not, simply that Americans take “legalised” corruption for granted.
The real 'Russkies' are the ones who identify themselves as such (ethnically, linguistically, culturally), the Russian State Forming and State maintaining people, since Saint Vladimir to... Vladimir Putin.Replies: @AP
Friendly reminder that “Seraphim” thinks that words are magic and that by his logic Romanians are the real Romans.
Relativly speaking compared to Russia, USA is a virgin.
For sure Romanians are more descendants of the real Romans than ‘Ukrainians’ of the Khazars.
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russians-in-20th-century-2/#comment-2304523
https://www.unz.com/tsaker/ukie-nationalism-vs-otto-von-bismarck/#comment-3412801
Man, you people confuse the hell out of this boomer. I thought the Jews were the descendants of the Khazars.
"God, who is wondrous and unfathomable in his judgments, merciful in forbearance, just in punishment, has ever since the beginning of this visible> world elevated some kingdoms and peoples according to his most equitable judgment and humiliated others because of their offences and iniquities, reduced some to slavery and liberated others, exalted some and cast down others. In the same way, the valiant and ancient Cossack people, formerly called Khazar, was at first exalted by immortal glory, spacious territory, and heroic exploits which inspired fear both at sea and on land not only among neighbouring peoples but even in the Eastern Empire, so much so that the Eastern emperor, wishing to make lasting peace with it, joined his son in matrimony to the daughter of the Khagan, that is to say, the Cossack prince. Then, the same God, the most righteous judge glorified in the highest, chastised that Cossack people with many punishments for its multiple iniquities and sins, degraded and humbled it, and reduced it to a state of almost perpetual ruin. Finally, he made it subject to the Polish kingdom, through the victorious arms of the Polish kings Boleslaw the Brave and Stephen Bathory..."
BTW the 'noble Cossak' (@...https://www.hackwriters.com/OrlykConstitution.htm) Pylyp Orlyk was of 'Czech-Belarusian origin', born in Lithuania.Replies: @AP
They are. And no one here claims otherwise.
I didn’t claim Ukrainians are descendants of Khazars. But didn’t you?
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russians-in-20th-century-2/#comment-2304523
https://www.unz.com/tsaker/ukie-nationalism-vs-otto-von-bismarck/#comment-3412801
https://twitter.com/ColborneMichael/status/1239921669935968256
100% based, 100% redpilled, 200% perfect new Russian.
America's loss, Russia's gain!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETUIwzzWoAQDig7.jpgReplies: @Hyperborean, @Mr. Hack, @songbird, @Athletic and Whitesplosive
The guy looks like an unstable nut (getting completely tatted up like a freak is a giveaway), but to compare apples to apples let’s see a montage of some of America’s worst new “Americans”, I reckon I’d take this guy in a heartbeat.
And as to RT’s intention, assuming this story ran in Russian as well, I’d say their intention was more likely to humiliate Americans and make them look like losers “Average American Man Must Flee to Russian Federation in Search of Liberty!”.
I think that the “Raving Romanian” is in all actuality himself a “descendant of the Khazars!” His attachment to some sort of “Romano-Russophile” identity smacks of a decidedly sovok past that he longs for to this day.
The two-headed “Seraphim” espouses a very incongruous double identity.
I did quote repeatedly from the ‘Constitution of Pylyp Orlyk’, aka the ‘Bendery Constitution’, this ‘monument of Ukrainian philosophical and legal thought’, ‘the first democratic constitution in the world…(‘Predating the classic example of an expression of democratic polity – the American Constitution by over 65 years, the Orlyk Constitution testifies to the long-standing traditions of democracy in Ukraine’), so it would not be any need to repeat myself. But ‘repetitio is mater studiorum’. So here you are:
“God, who is wondrous and unfathomable in his judgments, merciful in forbearance, just in punishment, has ever since the beginning of this visible> world elevated some kingdoms and peoples according to his most equitable judgment and humiliated others because of their offences and iniquities, reduced some to slavery and liberated others, exalted some and cast down others. In the same way, the valiant and ancient Cossack people, formerly called Khazar, was at first exalted by immortal glory, spacious territory, and heroic exploits which inspired fear both at sea and on land not only among neighbouring peoples but even in the Eastern Empire, so much so that the Eastern emperor, wishing to make lasting peace with it, joined his son in matrimony to the daughter of the Khagan, that is to say, the Cossack prince. Then, the same God, the most righteous judge glorified in the highest, chastised that Cossack people with many punishments for its multiple iniquities and sins, degraded and humbled it, and reduced it to a state of almost perpetual ruin. Finally, he made it subject to the Polish kingdom, through the victorious arms of the Polish kings Boleslaw the Brave and Stephen Bathory…”
BTW the ‘noble Cossak’ (@…https://www.hackwriters.com/OrlykConstitution.htm) Pylyp Orlyk was of ‘Czech-Belarusian origin’, born in Lithuania.
Your arguments went further than that though.He was born in what is now Belarus. It along with the rest of Belarus was part of Lithuania. And Ukraine had been part of Poland. Writing as you do, one could claim that anyone from Ukraine was "born in Poland."
Orlyk family moved from Bohemia to Belarus in the 15th century.
It's funny that you claim actual Scandinavians are Russians like modern Russians but imagine that this guy wasn't a Ukrainian or Cossack. But, as we know, you believe that names are magic. You must be very proud of the greatest Romanian ruler ever, Augustus Caesar.
* For other readers: In the 17th and early 18th centuries the Polish civilizational zone believed in Sarmatism, the idea that Sarmatians were a Turkic people (they are not, we know they are Indo-European, but people didn't know that back then) and that the nobles in Poland were descendants of those Turkic Sarmatians while peasants were Slavs. Khazars were also a Turkic people. By claiming descent from Khazars, the Cossacks were claiming equality with the Polish nobles. Seraphim in his duplicity is using this statement as "evidence" that Cossacks and Ukrainians are actually descended from Khazars.
"God, who is wondrous and unfathomable in his judgments, merciful in forbearance, just in punishment, has ever since the beginning of this visible> world elevated some kingdoms and peoples according to his most equitable judgment and humiliated others because of their offences and iniquities, reduced some to slavery and liberated others, exalted some and cast down others. In the same way, the valiant and ancient Cossack people, formerly called Khazar, was at first exalted by immortal glory, spacious territory, and heroic exploits which inspired fear both at sea and on land not only among neighbouring peoples but even in the Eastern Empire, so much so that the Eastern emperor, wishing to make lasting peace with it, joined his son in matrimony to the daughter of the Khagan, that is to say, the Cossack prince. Then, the same God, the most righteous judge glorified in the highest, chastised that Cossack people with many punishments for its multiple iniquities and sins, degraded and humbled it, and reduced it to a state of almost perpetual ruin. Finally, he made it subject to the Polish kingdom, through the victorious arms of the Polish kings Boleslaw the Brave and Stephen Bathory..."
BTW the 'noble Cossak' (@...https://www.hackwriters.com/OrlykConstitution.htm) Pylyp Orlyk was of 'Czech-Belarusian origin', born in Lithuania.Replies: @AP
Yes, so you claim that Ukrainians are Khazars, based on a tendentious interpretation of an unimportant part of this document.*
Your arguments went further than that though.
He was born in what is now Belarus. It along with the rest of Belarus was part of Lithuania. And Ukraine had been part of Poland. Writing as you do, one could claim that anyone from Ukraine was “born in Poland.”
Orlyk family moved from Bohemia to Belarus in the 15th century.
It’s funny that you claim actual Scandinavians are Russians like modern Russians but imagine that this guy wasn’t a Ukrainian or Cossack. But, as we know, you believe that names are magic. You must be very proud of the greatest Romanian ruler ever, Augustus Caesar.
* For other readers: In the 17th and early 18th centuries the Polish civilizational zone believed in Sarmatism, the idea that Sarmatians were a Turkic people (they are not, we know they are Indo-European, but people didn’t know that back then) and that the nobles in Poland were descendants of those Turkic Sarmatians while peasants were Slavs. Khazars were also a Turkic people. By claiming descent from Khazars, the Cossacks were claiming equality with the Polish nobles. Seraphim in his duplicity is using this statement as “evidence” that Cossacks and Ukrainians are actually descended from Khazars.
https://varldsinbordeskriget.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/hetman-pylyp-orlyks-constitution-of-1710-the-sources/
My scant and distant research on the ethnology of the Khazars also points to their Turkish origins, however, if the association of the Khazars to a Samartian origin, as indicated in the quote above is true, it would make sense. It is well understood that the original settlement of Slavs (the Antae) in Central Ukraine was accompanied by a confederation with the already existent Sarmation tribes in the same area.
In 2010, Orlyk’s famous historical Ukrainian’ constitution was commemorated in Bendery, Moldovia with a monument. I would suggest that our resident duplicitous “Romanian” get out of his cloistered cellar and visit the place and get some fresh air to clear out his thought process, of course after his exhaustive studies have come to an end.
Anyway, please refrain from using fake nonsense terms like "famous historical Ukrainian...". Simply no such thing exists. If the Nazis couldn't find anything "famously historically Ukrainian" in a few years of occupation and retreat, then that is because no such thing exists.
Even the ukrainian state institute of national remembrance whatever could not find anybody decent to lead it- that's why they got that dropout sadist loser Viatrovich- a guy only in his 30s who had spent 5 years of his adult life in.... of course.... America!
So in other words, a CIA project.Replies: @Mr. Hack
Mr Hack- my sincere best wishes to you in repelling coronavirus – aren’t you something like 107 years old? That’s why I forgive all your dummy comments – it is simply not your fault.
Anyway, please refrain from using fake nonsense terms like “famous historical Ukrainian…”. Simply no such thing exists. If the Nazis couldn’t find anything “famously historically Ukrainian” in a few years of occupation and retreat, then that is because no such thing exists.
Even the ukrainian state institute of national remembrance whatever could not find anybody decent to lead it- that’s why they got that dropout sadist loser Viatrovich- a guy only in his 30s who had spent 5 years of his adult life in…. of course…. America!
So in other words, a CIA project.
Anyway, please refrain from using fake nonsense terms like "famous historical Ukrainian...". Simply no such thing exists. If the Nazis couldn't find anything "famously historically Ukrainian" in a few years of occupation and retreat, then that is because no such thing exists.
Even the ukrainian state institute of national remembrance whatever could not find anybody decent to lead it- that's why they got that dropout sadist loser Viatrovich- a guy only in his 30s who had spent 5 years of his adult life in.... of course.... America!
So in other words, a CIA project.Replies: @Mr. Hack
I hope you don’t take any offense, Ms. Karlin-Gerard, but I actually liked you better and found you to be a bit more lucid before you had your sex change operation. It must be hard living in Russia as a “He-She”.
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