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Serbia has been racked for months by disruptive protests largely attributed to students, opposition leaders and university authorities. Are these organic protests?
Serbia is a small country which used to be a favorite of Western Allied powers like France and Britain for its heroic resistance to Austrian and German invasion in two world wars.
They liked it so much that in redrawing European boundaries at Versailles in 1918, they enlarged it into the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes which later became Yugoslavia.
Some Serb leaders at the time felt that this was too much, but at the time, Croat and Slovene leaders were glad to leave the Austro-Hungarian Empire and join the winning side.
All this changed abruptly in the 1990s. Germany had been reunited and began to drop its humble post-World War II foreign policy. With German support and encouragement, the Yugoslav republics (states) of Slovenia and Croatia declared their independence, with the intention of joining the club of the rich: the European Union.
This shift enabled the two richest Yugoslav states to stop paying development funds for poorer regions such as Kosovo and to receive development funds from the EU. The debt crisis of the 1970s had strained relations among the republics.
But according to the secessionists, their sole motivation was to escape from “Serbian nationalism.” A great champion of this interpretation was the late Otto von Habsburg, an influential member of the European Parliament. As heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, dismantled as a result of World War I, he naturally held a personal grudge against Serbia.
As the Yugoslav disintegration grew confused and violent, Western media and government enthusiastically echoed the Habsburg line, not as such, but as defense of Western values and self-determination.
Western media put all the blame for everything on the Serbs, evoking the inevitable Hitler analogy to describe Serbia’s besieged leader, Slobodan Milosevic, as a “dictator” and to liken his failing efforts to keep Yugoslavia together with the Third Reich’s massive invasion of the rest of Europe.
“Heroic little Serbia” was transformed into the Pariah of the Western World.
A Nation in Limbo
The concrete result of the 1999 NATO bombing of Serbia was to transform the “defensive” alliance into an aggressive force; to deliver the historic Serbian province of Kosovo to armed ethnic Albanians; and to build an enormous U.S. military base in the province.
But NATO nations framed it as conspiratorial to say that such were the aims of the NATO bombing. No, the official purpose was “the right to intervene” on grounds of human rights, to “save the Kosovars” from a “genocide” that was never a real possibility. That’s what everyone in the West has been told, over and over.
NATOland and “Western values” do not — not any longer — dominate the whole world. But Serbia is situated, geographically and psychologically, in the West.
Serbia was part of Yugoslavia, an independent, nonaligned socialist country, not part of the Soviet bloc. But Serbs have an historic friendship with Russia, as fellow Orthodox Christians, dating back to Serbia’s struggle to free itself from the Ottoman Empire. Serbs are in fact torn between, or attached to, both East and West.
They are in a perfect situation to be friends with everyone, which is what the current government in Belgrade of President Alexander Vucic is trying to do.
From its history and natural inclinations, Serbia should be a bridge between East and West.
Vucic was elected president of Serbia in 2017 and he and his Serbian Progressive Party have won a number of elections since by wide majorities. His economic development policies have made a bad situation better.
After Western companies took over Serbian industries only to shut them down, Vucic has welcomed Chinese investments which are reviving Serbian industrial production and mining. The economic growth rate accelerated to a comfortable 3.9 percent in 2024. Higher education for students who pass entrance exams is free, and Serbian universities enjoy high international ratings.
In contrast to its neighbors, Serbs are staying in their native land, while others are leaving. (Bosnia Herzegovina has lost half of its population to emigration, relatively prosperous Montenegro 24.4 percent, North Macedonia 31.6 percent and Serbia only 7 percent, indicating that life prospects there are relatively promising.)
Serbia’s relations with China have long been friendly and profitable. Vucic’s foreign policy tries to balance between East and West, but the rise in hostility between the EU and Russia makes this difficult.
But the same Western supremacists who destroyed the natural “bridge” function of Ukraine by insisting on its “NATO destiny” are working to subvert all potential bridges to Russia — distant Georgia, Moldova and nearby Serbia.
As an applicant to join the European Union, Serbia is kept under constant observation to see whether it is adapting to EU standards, economic and political. To satisfy Brussels, Vucic has supplied weapons to Ukraine but refuses to enforce sanctions against Russia, which provides Serbia with gas.
He has rejected EU demands to recognize the independence of Kosovo, as any Serbian leader must do to remain in office until tomorrow. But his domestic critics consider him not tough enough.
Vucic defied EU threats by flying to Moscow to attend the May 9 ceremonies celebrating the 80th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany’s war of conquest. Otherwise, he would have been hotly condemned at home for slavish subservience to the EU. Instead, his enemies can cry “Putin’s puppet.”
Josip Tito’s policy of nonalignment was a great success and Vucic appears to emulate the former Yugoslavian leader’s approach. But his balancing act exposes him to criticism from both sides.
Protests Against…Whatever
Strangely, for months Serbia has been rocked by massive student protests and blockades, not over foreign policy or over any specific government policies, but primarily in response to tragic events with no obvious political significance.
In Belgrade on May 3, 2023, a 13-year-old boy armed with pistols and Molotov cocktails attacked his school, killing eight children and a security guard. The under-age shooter was eventually sent to a psychiatric hospital and the parents were charged.
On the evening of the very next day a 20-year-old man drove through two villages in central Serbia firing an automatic assault rifle, killing nine people and wounding 12 others. He fled but was caught and eventually sentenced to 20 years.
This was shocking in a country where gun ownership is high but shooting incidents rare. Large protest demonstrations were held in major cities for several months. Opposition leaders created a protest movement “Serbia Against Violence” which blamed Vucic for creating “an atmosphere” responsible for the killings.
This is surely an exaggeration. In fact, police repression in Serbia is relatively mild, and Vucic can hardly be blamed for the mood of violence that prevails in the world today. Former Prime Minister Ana Brnabic also risked exaggeration by claiming that the protests were “fueled by foreign intelligence services.”
Candidates for “Serbia Against Violence” won 24 percent of the vote in parliamentary elections on Dec. 17, 2023, just half the 48 percent won by the coalition supported by Vucic.
In February 2024, a delegation headed by Marinika Tepic of “Serbia Against Violence” and Radomir Lazovic of the “Serbian Green-Left Front” went to Strasbourg to complain to the European Parliament that the elections had been stolen.
Enjoying minimal legislative power, the European Parliament asserts itself mainly by adopting virtuous resolutions condemning human rights violations in foreign countries on the basis of often unverified complaints.
As was to be expected, by an overwhelming vote of 461 to 52 the European Parliament promptly adopted a strong resolution calling for an international investigation into “election irregularities” and threatening to stop EU funding. The main complaint was that by campaigning, President Vucic had unfairly influenced voters.
Marinika Tepic declared to Politico that “if something doesn’t change now, we will completely slide into a dictatorship.”
EU’s Missionary Work
Protests against recognizing the December 2023 elections reached such proportions that many feared a replay of the 2014 Maidan demonstrations that led to war in Ukraine.
Pavle Cicvaric, who had learned organizing skills in numerous programs and workshops funded by Western foundations, led the student protests in Belgrade. The young leader’s parents are both deeply involved in the work of NGOs.
His mother, Dr. Jelena Žunic Cicvaric, is project coordinator of the NGO “Regional EU Resource Center for Civil Society in Serbia,” a key channel for the redistribution of European Union funds, allocated only to those actively working on raising awareness of “European values.”
His father, Radovan Cicvaric, a long-time politician campaigning for Euro-integration, is also promoting “European values” as director of the NGO Užice Center for Child Rights (UCPD) founded in 1998.
While the UCPD focuses on children, another influential NGO, the Belgrade Open School (BOS), founded in 1993, sponsors programs for students and young professionals, including “training of social change agents.”
Both are part of the “Youth Umbrella Organization of Serbia” which receives significant funds from international donors such as USAID, the Soros’ Open Society Foundation, and various European Union programs.
They organize workshops, training sessions, and projects aimed at strengthening the capacities of local NGOs and promoting European values. “Transition” countries applying for EU membership must listen to instructions on how to be worthy Europeans.
This educational task is undertaken by the European Fund for the Balkans (EFB), a joint initiative of European foundations that envisions, runs and supports initiatives aimed at strengthening democracy and fostering European integration.
Significantly, the EFB is sponsoring a “Joint History Project” to produce and spread a unified version of regional history, with the kind support of the German Foreign Office.
The Balkan Trust for Democracy (BTD) is a foundation based in Belgrade. It was founded in March 2003 by the German Marshall Fund, USAID, and the Charles Stewart Mott Foundation. Other donors include the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Tipping Point Foundation, Robert Bosch Foundation, Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency, and the foreign affairs ministries of Denmark and Greece. The BTD supports grant donation, policy dialogue, and leadership development.
If you want to be a leader, you know where to go.
It is hard to imagine that these Western-financed organizations have not contributed to the zeal and skill of Serbian student protesters.
A Deadly Collapse
Novi Sad is Serbia’s second-largest city, a major stop on the new high speed railway route between Belgrade and Budapest being rebuilt with Chinese aid.
As part of this project, Novi Sad’s 60-year old modernistic railroad station was recently renovated, leaving in place a long concrete canopy across its entrance side. On the morning of Nov. 1, 2024, the concrete canopy suddenly collapsed, killing a total of 16 people.
The Serbian government declared a nation-wide day of mourning, a number of officials resigned, including the Serbian construction minister and the mayor of Novi Sad. Investigations of the causes are continuing.
For the student activists, the collapse was seen as clear proof of corruption, not only in construction work on the station but throughout society. Declaring that what happened in Novi Sad is proof that Serbia is overwhelmed by crime, violence, corruption and despair, the students have given themselves the task of changing this “unbearable social reality” to build a new Serbia.
An apparently leaderless movement organizes student plenums which privately decide by consensus what to do next. They have shut down university faculties and schools, preventing students from attending classes for months.
Students who want to attend classes are treated like traitors. Even hospitals have been blockaded. It has been observed that the activist students tend to come from well-to-do families and are not joined by working class youth. It is an elite revolt calling for equality.
Students blocking traffic are protected by police. The government clearly suspects provocation and has been avoiding the sort of violent repression used by the French government of Emmanuel Macron to put down the Yellow Vests movement.
Transition to What?
Serbian students under 26 were not born when NATO bombed Serbia.
Serbian youth has grown up torn between the scars of the NATO bombing and the persistent dominant Western view of Serbs as the guilty party for the destruction of Yugoslavia. No wonder that this creates some confusion.
It is understandable that a portion of middle class Serbian, urban youth find it unbearable to be excluded from “the West” by Serbia’s imposed Pariah status.
Youth can be very conformist in their rebelliousness, seeking to join together in defiance of their elders. However confused the West may be, it still excels most in selling itself as something marvelous.
A significant way it does this is through its massive web of non-governmental organizations.
In April, EU auditors issued a report noting a “lack of transparency” in granting some 4.8 billion euros to some 5,000 NGOs during the 2021-2023 period, in addition to Member State grants of some 2.6 billion euros to around 7,500 NGOs from EU funding sources.
It is not clear which countries benefited, but Marta Kos, the Slovenian EU commissioner for enlargement, has mentioned Serbia.
In a March 28 interview with Slovenian RTV, Kos rejected as “unacceptable” suggestions by President Vucic that EU-funded NGOs are encouraging student protests aimed to overthrow him. Kos nevertheless noted that she was “much more in contact with the NGOs I met in Brussels than with the Serbian government or its president.”
She said:
“Many NGOs in Serbia would not survive without our support, and it is precisely because of the exceptional importance of NGOs that I have decided to allocate an additional €16 million to them for the period from this year until the end of 2027.”
“Without the participation of civil society, there can be no enlargement process,” Kos said, adding that she trusts the Serbian people to “guide their politicians so that Serbia can become a member of the European Union.” Kos feels qualified to provide guidance.
Aleksander Vulin is a prominent Socialist who has held various ministerial posts. But no more. “I hope that Mr. Vulin will not be a member of the new government, because those who act in an anti-European manner cannot lead Serbia into the EU,” said Kos. She got her way.
Among his sins, Vulin favors joining BRICS and had called for a law revealing NGO financing by foreign governments. (When Georgia adopted such a law, EU leaders mobilized to stop it, but failed.)
On the other hand, Vucic defied dire threats by the EU against daring to attend the May 9 celebrations of the Allied Victory over Nazi Germany. He flew around Baltic States blocking his flight and showed up in Moscow, along with the courageous Slovak prime minister, Robert Fico.
Such is the Vucic balancing act. As a result, Vucic is denounced as “pro-Putin” in Brussels while his domestic adversaries denounce him for weakly giving in to EU demands.
The student protesters are still more ambiguous.
They clearly don’t want to give credence to government accusations that they are manipulated by EU NGOs. The EU flag has been tacitly banned from the huge student demonstrations, with only Serbian flags being waved, as if to demonstrate national independence.
However, this spring a contingent of student protesters created a spectacle by setting out to take their grievances to EU institutions, ostensibly on bicycles. They were warmly welcomed as they complained that everything in Serbia was absolutely awful.
On May 6, Serbia’s leading newspaper Politika reported that visiting Serbian blockaders in the European Parliament gallery listened meekly as they were lectured by a Croatian nationalist, Steven Nikola Bartulica, who told them that “European values mean also a confession of guilt for everything Serbia did to Croatia.”
(In the summer of 1995, Croatia expelled about 200,000 Serbs from their homes in the Krajina region of Croatia, in the largest ethnic cleansing of the Yugoslav wars.)
Bartulica claimed Serbia was not a European-style liberal democracy and would not be normalized until it accepted paying reparations to Croatia.
Members of the European Parliament expressed satisfaction that the students had chosen “Europe” against Russia, and called for overthrowing Vucic and Fico for having gone to Moscow.
At home, however, the protest demonstrations seem to be losing momentum, to the extent that students have stopped demanding everything! now! and are retreating to the demand for elections.
Boosted by his trip to Moscow, where his delegation held serious talks with President Vladimir Putin, Vucic held a patriotic rally in the city of Nis where he declared that the students’ demands are over and do not interest him any more. He dismissed the blockaders as a very loud minority of mobbing bullies terrorizing the majority of citizens who want peace, work and unity.
By suddenly demanding snap elections, he assumed that they were simply seeking another opportunity for violent outbursts, since elections will always be declared stolen by the opposition. Elections will be held normally in a year or so, he said.
On May 22, Belgrade received a visit from Kaja Kallas, an Estonian chosen by Ursula von der Leyen to be high representative of the EU for foreign affairs. Having no diplomatic experience, Kallas’ most visible qualifications are being a young woman with an unsurpassed hatred of Russia.
While in Belgrade, the EU’s top diplomat met, in a strange twist, with the president and the prime minister to tell them what to do. But she met with representatives of student protesters to listen to what they had to say.
She praised her meetings with “civil society” and youth activists. “I heard their call and their aspirations – for fairness, for accountability so that Serbia can fulfill its full potential,” she said. “Their energy is needed to find a way forward.”
In contrast, Kallas scolded Vucic for meeting Putin in Moscow. Serbia’s future acceptance into the EU, she stressed, depends on the country’s “strategic choice” between East and West.
Putin, by contrast, accepts Vucic’s balancing act and has no objection to Serbia joining the EU. Variety is consistent with a multipolar world. But for the West, “you are with us or against us.” Between East and West, there are no bridges allowed.
Perplexity & Fear
In Belgrade, some people think the protests are petering out. Perhaps, but in the past they have died down only to revive over some incident. Since the causes are unclear, so are the solutions.
The difficulty, Dragan Pavlovic, a Serbian commentator, told me is that the protests are expressed in “very general demands for a ‘better life,’ which obviously does not offer any concrete basis for understanding what is essentially wanted or what should be done to calm the protests.” Such demands can go on forever.
“It is probably an orchestrated, mass hysteria, caused by the nuclear threat, the genocide in Gaza, the prolongation of the crisis in Kosovo and the actions of non-governmental organizations,” he suggests.
Journalist and writer Mara Knezevic Kern considers it impossible to understand these incredible events. “I do not believe that it is possible to describe this new variant of an attack on the state — it has not happened anywhere else yet.” In the 1990s, Yugoslavia served as an experimental laboratory for regime change. Many fear that this is happening again, in Serbia.
Diana Johnstone was press secretary of the Green Group in the European Parliament from 1989 to 1996. In her latest book, Circle in the Darkness: Memoirs of a World Watcher (Clarity Press, 2020), she recounts key episodes in the transformation of the German Green Party from a peace to a war party. Her other books include Fools’ Crusade: Yugoslavia, NATO and Western Delusions (Pluto/Monthly Review) and in co-authorship with her father, Paul H. Johnstone, From MAD to Madness: Inside Pentagon Nuclear War Planning (Clarity Press). She can be reached at diana.johnstone@wanadoo.fr
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immho, the only people that ever had the serbs back, are the russians and one would think this would lead to an unbreakable bond between the two slavic people but this is not the case. quite frankly they seem a bit duplicitous in nature but perhaps this can be chalked up to the many divisions and infighting factions within serbia.
they are a proud people, that seek autonomy but their janus like, east west faces are not going to lead them there. they are landlocked in the e.u. and encircled by wolves. apparently soros has run out and been run out of countries that he can color revolutionize. this may be the old fellows last hurrah before the devil calls him home. his “umbrella organizations” had their day in hong kong and were even present breaking windows in blm protests.
now serbia has its turn in the rainbow revolution, regime change machine. interesting that it’s the chinese that are also targeted. zato has been trying to run the chinese out of serbia since the blew up their embassy, in that terrible “accident” during the start of zato eastern expansion campaign under clinton. now 25 years later they’re trying to finish them off, here’s where serbian duplicity comes back to haunt them, vucic had a deal with the russians to buy su-35’s but backed out, to buy french rafales instead.
that was because “honest emmanuel” macron took his old mig 29’s as trade ins (gee, i wonder what he did with those?) on his shiny new rafales. after seeing what happened to duplicitous modi’s rafales, at the hands of chinese technology, vucic decided he just had to go to moscow, to see his old friend putin and wish him a happy 80th anniversary and to explain the administration error, that led to all those serbian arms ending up in ukraine, how embarrassing.
i wish the best to the serbian people, i just wish they could figure out who their real friends are.
The US-NATO bombings in the 90’s were a wakeup call for the Russians who saw how weakness invites the predators of the West to move in with their usual bombing runs. This led them to eventually be prepared for later events regarding Ukraine. Conveniently, the US intervention culminated in it establishing its largest military base in Kosovo as it engineered it as a breakaway province. As owners of the planet the US had the right to determine the borders in the faraway Balkans. Now the usual subversive NGOs ply their trade with their tried and true color revolution play scripts. Young people, being naive and stupid, are the useful tools of all this. Join the EU and become the dumping ground for the other member’s unwanted radioactive third worlders. Get used and thrown away like they’ve done with the Ukrainians.
If people are still duped by globalist manipulation, they are hopeless.
It’s all about the money. The Euuu is corrupting with the Euro in the hands of those putanas in charge and they’re handing it out to the Serbs. The Russians, their far away cousins, don’t have the Euros to spend on their cousins.
Hopefully the Serbs will see that getting closer to Russia 🇷🇺 is in their best interest even if they keep taking money 💰 from those whores in Brussels. Duplicitous? Why not!
Serbia strong. Or at least it was, until the Jews brutally invaded and began ethnically cleansing Serbs in their own country. What happened there is an illustration of how far Jewish swine will go to get what they want.
So became the first target of the Anglo-American empire once the Soviets withdrew from Eastern Europe.
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Can someone tell us how much are the Chinese paying for carting away all that gold (and copper) from the mine in Serbia while polluting the area. You may find that it is far far less than what Trump has offered Zelensky for exploiting Ukraine’s mineral wealth. Trump has offered the Ukraine 50%:50%. Do you think the Chinese have offered a better deal?
The protesters are the same as in Ukraine during the overthrow of the elected government, protests in Russia, Romania and other European Countries. They are radical leftist/LGBT. The Zionists use the homosexuals to overthrow governments now. Serbia is never going to be free again. They are economically controlled by EU and NATO nations. The current government will be gone before the end of Summer.
My first real understanding of the horror of modern war was what appeared to me, as a knee jerk supporter of an aggressive US foreign policy, as nothing but an attack on” Seberia’s “civilian population in an attempt to force a desired outcome.
Johnstone’s writings debunking the genocide claims and offering a more measured analysis, as well as a little historical perspective, was a breath of fresh air. And very welcome.
I enjoyed her Countrrpunch articles, and was sad to see her leave.
Hats off!
Great article. Fair and accurate.
Looks very much like a Maidan-style coup is being orchestrated. Too bad Vucic cannnot do away with all those venomous NGOs.
The KK despicable tool meeting with the “students” is clear foreign interference in Serbia’s internal affairs. The Albanians imported by NATO into Kosovo are a huge problem: organized crime.
The Serbs are admirably patriotic people.
This:
“In contrast to its neighbors, Serbs are st aying in their native land, while others are leaving. ”
was also true in Tito’s time. The Serbs travelled freely to the West unlike people in “sister socialist” countries,”, often worked there for a while, saved some money, but always came back home.
They deserve better.
The Europeans, including the Brits ,are losing in Ukrain and they don’t know what to do. They will recall that Germany attacked Serbia on Orthodox Easter,1941 and the Anglo Americans attacked on Orthodox Easter, 1944 and NATO attacked on Orthodox Easter,1999 and they now have a reason to attack Serbia again and this they believe will solve all their problems.I thought they would have done this in previous years, but that didn’t happen.But I am basing this on my understanding of Dan. 11: 44-45 . For maybe 1000 or even 2000 years there has been friction between Western Europe and Serbia.
When the Kosovo Liberation Army started its campaign to secede from Yugoslavia (as it was still called) the matter was taken to the ICJ by Yugoslavia (Serbia). They argued that, in international law, the right to secure borders meant that Kosovo did not have the right to secede. The Kosovan argument was that, in international law, the right to self-determination meant that Kosovo did have the right to secede The ICJ agreed that the two were contradictory and they would need to rule on which had precedence. They ruled that self-determination was more important than secure borders.
N.B. The administration of Kosovo declared independence without going to a referendum but the ICJ ruled that, since they were a regional government, they could be said to be expressing the will of the people of Kosovo.
Applying the, now, established principle to Ukraine would mean that Crimea had the right to secede and ask to join Russia (even if they hadn’t bothered with a referendum), and that Lugansk and Donetsk had the right to declare independence ……. and later to apply to join Russia.
This precedent was used by Putin against the US [to no avail] since the US and Germany had already made their minds up about the future of Kosovo.
By the way, and by a huge coincidence, Camp Bondsteel Army Base in Ferizaj, Kosovo, Camp Bondsteel is the largest and main US military base in Kosovo, run by the KFOR (Kosovo Force). It hosts more than 7000 troops.
All of these events, whether accurate or inaccurate, described above, leave people confused about Serbia’s role in supplying the current illegitimate Ukrainian regime with weapons in its fight against Russia.
Diana, thank you for everything you’ve done for the truth about the Western, Catholic, and Muslim crimes against Orthodox Christian Serbs/Serbia, as related to the events leading up to and during 90s in the Balkans, as well as what happened afterwards – as it is not over yet by any means!
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Re “Chaos”
I hope that you realize that Aleksandar Vucic is a Western puppet and just pretending to be balancing between the West and Russia. He goes to Russia just for show to fool many.
Recall that Vucic has been supplying weapons to Ukraine for years now and against the will of the Serbian people. Of course, Putin/Kremlin know this, but look the other way, as Serbia has been a colony of the West since the coup in October 2000, with which Putin/Kremlin helped. Yes, they helped US occupy Serbia (Primakov in Belgrade), with some Putin’s prep talk about it with Bill Clinton [1]! So, Russia just rips what it saw.
Vucic was installed by the West in 2012, election-free, as he made a deal with them to help them hijack Serbia’s Holy Land – Serbia’s Province of Kosovo! He’s been fulfilling that, and many other promises, ever since he came to power. He did not sign final surrender, but he did pretty much everything to allow primitive Muslim Shqiptars/Albanians terrorists and separatists to rule Occupied Kosovo as their own country – which they see as part of Greater Albania! This land theft is of course fully supported by the West, as well as Russia through the UNSC Resolution 1244, allowing foreign countries to occupy Serbia’s Holy Land.
Both American and Russian ambassadors support Vucic! Russian ambassador to Serbia, acts as Vucic’s promoter, and interferes in elections on Vucic’s behalf.
So no, this is not a color revolution! That is just lies from the West and their slimy Western puppet, aka “president” of Serbia – Aleksandar Vučić.
Aside from high-treason regarding Serbia’s Kosovo, he’s been allowing the West (USA/EU) to loot and ruin Serbia in every way possible – overpriced contracts, free land, free money, lithium, NGOs, attack on family and education, etc. Sabotaging and destroying existing industries in Serbia that West cannot compete with, etc. The list is endless!
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Re China & Serbia: Although China is not Serbia’s enemy, it is not a friend either. It seems that Vucic made a deal with them to allow him to escape to China once he loses power, and in return, he essentially gave them one of the biggest gold mines in Europe! They have been harvesting 10s of billions in gold from there every year while paying measly 2% commission! They also do not respect Serbia’s environmental laws and pollute the environment, and Vucic is not doing anything about it!
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[1] The regime changers Russia now rejects such talk as ‘color revolution,’ but Vladimir Putin and Bill Clinton discussed removing Slobodan Milosevic (Milošević) from power 20 years ago — Meduza
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/10/08/the-regime-changers
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Re occupied Serbia’s Province of Kosovo
Of course, the tern “Kosovo War” they use is a NATO/MSM propaganda term – to hide illegal and criminal war against the entire country (Orthodox Christian Serbia) by mass murdering NATO (aka Joint Criminal Enterprise) involving Bill Clinton (aka Butcher of the Balkans), Wesley Clark (7 Muslim countries in 5 years) and poor Madeline Albright, with the plan to steal Serbia’s Province of Kosovo, as that is a cradle of Orthodox Christianity, with 1,600 churches and monasteries. Primitive Muslim Shqiptars aka Albanians, so far have destroyed/desecrated around 200 of them.
Again, the term “Kosovo War” is actually MSM/NATO bait-and-switch trap, which they invented to slowly move away from the proper term, as I mentioned, war on the Orthodox Christian Serbia, which was illegal and criminal as not approved by UN!
Here’s even USA describing Albanians as terrorists and separatists [1][2][3] and biggest drug dealers in Europe [4][5]. Of course, until they became ‘freedom fighters’ (TM).
Land theft is their main business with full support from NATO, not because they have any right to it, but because you are their useful murderers, butchers, and thieves, and NATO uses territories they steal for their military bases – like Camp Bondsteel!
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More than 200 Serbian Orthodox Christian Churches destroyed/vandalized [6] and 90,000 Serbian Orthodox Christian graves vandalized [7] in Occupied Kosovo, by these savages, i.e. primitive Muslim Shqiptars aka Albanians!
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[1] H.R.2203 – 114th Congress (2015-2016): To remove the Kosovo Liberation Army from treatment as a terrorist organization, and for other purposes. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2203
[2] Dec 2022 | Kosovo’s separatist leaders pose with Greater Albania map
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[3] Greater Albania Map – Wikimedia Commons:
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[4] The Rise and Rise of Britain’s Albanian Coke Dealers | Vice
https://www.vice.com/en/2017/08/21/the-rise-and-rise-of-britains-albanian-coke-dealers/
[5] Albanian gangsters running UK cocaine market but one ‘protected’ city won’t let them in – Mirror Online
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/albanian-gangsters-running-uk-cocaine-28952848
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[6] Google Image Search: Desecrated Serbian Orthodox Christian Churches in Occupied Kosovo
https://www.google.com/search?q=(desecrated+OR+destroyed+OR+burned)+serbian+churches+kosovo+-racak&tbm=isch
[7] Google Image Search: Desecrated Serbian Orthodox Christian Cemeteries in Occupied Kosovo
https://www.google.com/search?q=desecrated+serbian+cemetery+kosovo+-racak&tbm=isch
[8] 2004 Destruction of Serbian Orthodox Church (Church of St. Elijah, Podujevo)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_St._Elijah,_Podujevo
[9] Since 1999, numerous Serbian Orthodox cemeteries in Kosovo have been extensively and severely vandalized.
https://twitter.com/SRBinHolySee/status/1766743380606734518
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[10] Destruction of Serbian cultural heritage in Kosovo and Metohija – YouTube
Muslim Shqiptars aka Albanians in Occupied Kosovo | YouTube (<3 min video)
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[11] The Empire Bombed Serbia to Seize Kosovo in 1999 – YouTube
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Re Contemporary Nazi Croatia (ethnically cleansed, <5% non-Croats)
Of course, Catholic Croats legacy of expulsion, mass murder, and genocide of the Serbian people is well-hidden by the West, and not only from the 90s, but from both WW2 and WW1!
More than 600,000 Serb civilians have been expelled from Contemporary Nazi Croatia in the 90s, as expulsion was done in two stages – 200,000 at the end was the wrap up!
Serb civilians leaving Nazi Croatia in 1995
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Especially horrific is the Vatican’s Holocaust (WW2) – the most hidden and the least known genocide in the history of the World! Genocide of the Serbian people in the WW2 [1][2][3]!
According to the reports German Nazi officers themselves compiled, the ones stationed in Nazi Croatia during WW2, close to 2 million Serb civilians were exterminated in the most gruesome and bestial ways.
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There were 100s of locations in WW2 Nazi Croatia (pit caves, pits, villages, towns, etc.) where Serbs were slaughtered including multiple large extermination camps. Croats even had at least one extermination camp just for Serbian children. Estimates of Serb deaths in the largest, but not the only one, extermination camp called Jasenovac (5 times the size of Auschwitz) according to Gideon Greif [2], were at least 1.4 million. He explained that Serbs were tortured/slaughtered in 57 different ways. He also mentioned that the total number is for sure higher as many victims were not buried in mass graves, but rather thrown into Sava river, burned in furnaces, made soap of (yes you read that right – Croats made soap out of murdered Serbs), etc. Note that those were extermination camps and not concentration camps, as Croats did not feed the prisoners, since they were brought in to be slaughtered asap. According to American WW2 findings/reports, around 1,300 Croatian Catholic priests took direct part in murders, rapes, etc. Yes, you read that right – Croatian Catholic priests slitting throats, raping women and girls, torturing people, etc. as reported by USA WW2 archives.
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Croats are publicly proud Nazis even today [a][b], and no Western MSM reports that, as they are murderers of the Orthodox Christian Serbs, and as such useful for NATO and Vatican! I’m sure they will be used for some future dirty work too!
E.g. coming rock concert of Croatian Nazi singer called Thomson is all sold out – 500,000+ tickets! Below are the pictures from his 2007 concert. His lyrics openly praise mass murder of Orthodox Christian Serbs and advocate attack on Serbia!
[a] 2007 – Croatian Nazi salutes, caps and shirts at 2007 concert of the Nazi singer Marko Perković – Thompson celebrating Croatia’s 1995 mass-murder and expulsion of the Orthodox Christian Serbs
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[b] 2022 – Croatian Nazi Dinamo Zagreb fans performing the Nazi salute in the streets of Milan. | Twitter
https://twitter.com/stoolfootball/status/1570092654981009414
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[1] The Vatican’s Holocaust by Avro Manhattan | Vatican Holocaust ( HTML | PDF | EPUB EBOOK ) – One of the top books on Vatican’s Forbidden Books List ( Index Librorum Prohibitorum )
• HTML #1: https://www.reformation.org/holocaus.html
• HTML #2: https://chcpublications.net/Vatican_Holocaust_Croatia.html
• PDF: https://chcpublications.net/Vatican_Holocaust_Croatia.pdf
• EPUB: https://chcpublications.net/Vatican_Holocaust_Croatia.epub⬇
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[2] Jasenovac – Auschwitz of the Balkans by Gideon Greif (bi-lingual English/Serbian) – Internet Archive :
https://archive.org/details/auschwitz-of-the-balkans/mode/2up
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[3] Book: Hitler’s Pope (The Secret History of Pius XII)
Author: John Cornwell | ISBN: 0670886939 | Amazon:
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Serbia is arming the Ukraine to fight against Russia so it can’t claim that it is neutral.
https://www.rt.com/news/618337-russia-serbia-weapons-ukraine/
Just recently I got stuck in one of the “student demonstrations.” The cops used a pair of squad cars to block the boulevard on either end. All smooth as a duck takes to water. Organized with a Capital O. Nothing feels organic.
Diana understands mighty little about the people. Vučić has TRIPLED the national debt, with no end in sight. He’s had Eastern Serbia destroyed by foreign corporations. Wants ditto for Western Serbia. He’s probably the most corrupt marionette the country’s ever had and represents the 2nd worst regime in 80 years, only topped by that presumed Polish jew who masqueraded as a Bolshevik Croat or Slovene or whatever he was, under the false name “Josip Broz,” an ID he had stolen from a real man by that name (and he, too, was installed by Western Zionists like Churchill who were batting for the biggest baddest jews of them all, i.e. R’schild).
The ongoing horror deserves book-length treatments.
Committee on the Present Danger(1950s,1970s,2000s and 2019) these are the Brain Trusts?
Does slipping Smith Mundt Revision into 2013NDAA codify lying as a domestic tool give US politicians a pass for Lying?
Yes, the Russian People and the Russian Orthodox Church have been and always will be friends of the Orthodox Christian Serbs, but the Russian State has been an enemy of the Serbs for at least last 225 years, with very rare exceptions (WW1 entry, voting against British Srebrenica Lie/Fiction UNSC resolution attempt, etc.). More on that below.
Not torn – just trying to be independent from both. Orthodox Christian Serbs stand on their own! Serbs neither consider themselves small Russians nor Serbia small Russia!
So, with such strong and independence-minded attitude, both sides have been seeing Serbs as a problem, as Serbs reject servitude to both – West and Russia. Yes, in the past, Russia wanted Serbs/Serbia to be their voluntary colony, and did many evils once realized that Serbs wanted to be treated as equals, friends, and partners. E.g. making Orthodox Bulgarians mass murderers and permanent enemies of Serbs (Greater Bulgaria / Bulgarian Exarchate) as revenge for refusing servitude!
Re main misconceptions about Russia and Serbia
Current Russia has no friends, because it has betrayed and sold out all true friends and true partners (Serbia, Belarus, Armenia, Libya, Syria, Sudan, North Korea, etc.), while Russia’s enemies (West, Turkey) do not respect Russia because they suck up to them and show an enormous inferiority complex through openly craving to be invited into their club. Putin even asked Bill Clinton for Russia’s NATO membership!
Putin is a student of Klaus Schwab and Kissinger and attended globalist courses with Angela Merkel and Tony Blair as training/prep, after which all three were placed at the helm of their respective countries. Putin became the president of Russia by a decree, not by elections. Russia is currently a colony of globalists, and Putin is a colonial administrator.
Here is the list of betrayals, crimes and evils that the Putin/Kremlin (i.e. Russian State, not Russian People), has committed against Serbia just in the last 35 years:
1) 1992: Voting in the Security Council for sanctions against the FRY (Serbia and Montenegro) – the strictest sanctions ever imposed on a state. Zimbabwe abstained!
2) 1992: Russia recognized Contemporary Nazi Croatia before the US and even before they were officially recognized in the UN.
3) 1992-1995: Russia fully armed the army of Nazi Croatia (planes, helicopters, missiles, etc.) in violation of the international embargo! Serb civilians were killed and expelled with these weapons in 1995 in the operation called “Storm”.
4) 1999: Threat from the Russian representative to Milosevic that Serbia would be destroyed if it did not sign a peace treaty with NATO (Chernomyrdin in Belgrade).
5) 2000: Putin’s help to the USA and Bill Clinton to successfully carry out a color revolution in Serbia and occupy it (Primakov in Belgrade). There is a transcript of the conversation between Putin and Clinton regarding Serbia before October 2000 coup.
6) 2003: Withdrawal of Russian troops from occupied Kosovo. No, no one asked for it, but it was Putin’s favor to the West for which he received nothing. The pogrom of the Serbs followed shortly after. A high-ranking Russian general officially openly stated that they had no interest in the Balkans – I assume except for arming Nazi Croatia to kill Serb civilians?
7) 2006: Destroying Union of Serbia and Montenegro (aka FRY). Yes, you read that correctly – that was also Russia’s doing and not the USA’s. After Montenegro turn to the West, Kremlin publicly complained about Montenegro’s “betrayal” – i.e. they admitted what they have destroyed the Union.
Note: Resolution 1244, although presented as a big favor to Serbs by Russia, actually allows NATO to occupy part of Serbia’s territory – that’s why Russia voted for it. That was another favor to the West for which they got nothing but scorn.
After Russia broke Union of Serbia and Montenegro (FRY) in 2006, basically all major betrayals/crimes by Russia against Serbia were done. So after that, they’d occasionally visit Serbia (Lavrov, Zakharova, Putin) for some platitudes about Russia-Serbia “friendship”, some good photo shoots to help deceive both Serbs and Russians.
Of course, it’d take a lot of time to list all the evils committed by the Russian State against Serbs/Serbia in the 19th and the 20th century before 90s. For example, occupying Serbia in 1944 (officially called “liberating”) and handing it to local communists murderers (Tito) that proceeded to slaughter at last 250,000 Serb civilians as Serbs are monarchists and Christians!
Entry into the WW1 was a rare, rare exception, for which Serbs are very grateful. Although, very few people ask the following: Would the Austro-Hungarian Empire (AHE) even consider/plan attacking and destroying Serbia if they had not been sure that Russia would betray Serbia, as they have witnessed countless times in the 19th century. Let us remember that Russia handed Serbia over to Catholic Empires and Vatican zones of interest!
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Hi Mike,
See my comment # 14 regarding Vucic arming Ukraine.
https://www.unz.com/article/serbias-organized-chaos/?showcomments#comment-7144712
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When it comes to Serbian crimes against Muslims, the Serbs were barbaric, akin to Jewish Nazis targeting Palestinians. Diana suffered from dementia, so her opinions should not be taken seriously.
Don’t know, but certainly worthy of assessment.
Imperialists, not excepting the Chinese, usually pay the ‘down at knees’, induced, ‘market rate’.
‘All’ are happy, particularly ‘the elites’ who are thereby allowed to hang on by the skin of their teeth.
Same happened/is happening in Greece. Big Chinese buy up…”at “generous” market prices”.
Sad.
Again the perfidious and shallow younger folk. The older generation wouldn’t have allowed it.
“Socialism”, state ownership and control was above all, deeply nationalist. Same as here in Australia. The ONLY true viable form of national sovereignty in the modern Age of the Global Cartel.
In this context, they learned from the War that “Russia” couldn’t be trusted. Just look what their stooges did in Greece! They developed a significant body of theory to help extricate themselves from Stalinist tyranny. An old Communist mate of mine, as a supporter of the Yugoslavs in the late 40’s lost his Party ticket in travelling inter-city to new employment. He good naturedly put it down to his being “Lost in Transit”.
It looks like fewer are duped than previously. The EU project was genuinely popular 30 years ago (but then so was Israel 60 years ago). Support for globalism is evaporating.
The root cause seems to be that everyone is getting poorer rather than richer. Now most people realize that globalization deindustrialized their societies and that the whole thing runs on debt. Also their corrupt leaders endlessly lie to them – for example on mass immigration.
A good move would be to get rid of the European Union + kick out the EU NGOs with each country taking back its own responsibility for immigration, foreign policy, finance, industry etc.
Boring lies in most of the text, authored by a deranged Serbian partisan.
These protests in Serbia are the result of the society’s sickness in all strata. Vučić is not a dictator in a strict sense, but a manipulator, inciting hatred towards almost all neighboring peoples, and especially Croats and Albanians & conniving with the Serbian mob.
Serbs are a deranged society, believing in myths that never happened, in their superiority which never existed, duplicitous and malign. That’s who they are, especially their Church, which is in alignment with the Russian Church- both institutions should be dismantled, they’re no better than Islam.
Vučić sold Serbia’s wealth to the Chinese who exploit them mercilessly & is trying, for a long time, to sell minerals’ riches in the north to infamous Rio Tinto, which would result in ecological disaster.
Protesters are simply fed up with his corruption & stranglehold on the media- but when it comes to the Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians- they are probably even more cancerous.
This is a slow motion picture of a self-devouring sick society, while the EU still supports the government because they are afraid of the complete collapse of this lunatic country.
Very often we have the usual stereotypes about coloured revolutions. The fact is that the current Vučić government is the biggest American puppet in the region, and their potential alternative is even bigger. Vučić would give anything to stay in power, and when I say everything, I mean absolutely everything, including the most basic national interests.
He is widely regarded as one of the most corrupt politicians in Europe. He rose to power with direct support from Western intelligence services during a meeting in Paris. They concluded that, as a former nationalist, he would be more effective than the so-called democrats who came to power in Belgrade during the “Maidan” that led to the overthrow of Serbia’s last state-forming president, Slobodan Milošević. Since then, huge money has been invested by the West to suppress patriotic individuals and intellectuals in Serbia and make it impossible for them to organize.
The Serbian people, who are predominantly Russophiles, were misled for over a decade into believing that Vučić was pursuing a wise strategy of deceiving the West, which otherwise controls most processes in Serbia. In reality, Vučić has been quietly advancing the recognition of an independent Kosovo and transferring Serbia’s resources to entities like BlackRock, leaving the country with dwindling energy reserves.
He even accepted bribes from Rothschilds’ Rio Tinto to initiate toxic lithium mining in Serbia’s Tuscany like region, prioritizing German interests over Serbian well-being. This mining would pollute Serbia’s waterways, rendering parts of the country uninhabitable. Furthermore, he agreed to let France use Serbia as a nuclear waste dump.
Vučić is also implicated in large-scale corruption in numerous projects, including highway construction, the national stadium, and various infrastructure developments in the capital, where he appropriated significant portions of prime real estate. These schemes have reportedly enabled him to amass billions of dollars. He is now selling Serbia’s most fertile land to Arab investors, though many believe it is ultimately controlled by his mafia cartel.
Recently, a tragic canopy collapse at a train station killed 16 people. Vučić attempted to cover up the incident, but public outrage erupted, highlighting the corruption and negligence underpinning his administration. Vučić operates under the direct influence of the American ambassador and Western intelligence agencies, which have reportedly intercepted his communications with mafia elements responsible for political assassinations and the violent suppression of protests on his behalf.
This blackmail renders him powerless to act independently. He has adopted an anti-Russian stance, earning him unchecked support from Western powers to oppress and exploit the Serbian people. Serbia remains one of the few countries where the mafia has effectively subjugated the state. Now, as his regime begins to falter, even his closest allies are abandoning him.
The regime’s collapse seems imminent, though what follows may offer little hope. Those poised to succeed Vučić belong to pro-Western circles that have shown no patriotic commitment to Serbia’s interests. Like Vučić, they are unlikely to prioritize the nation’s well-being.
If this is true, then whoever allowed the Chinese to exploit the gold/copper mine in Serbia committed high treason. Gold is the most important financial resource and that is why Russia, China and others are accumulating it as fast as they can, with China doing it at Serbia’s expense. Money, paper or digital, is worthless. What you quote is far less than China and Russia are offering African countries for their resources. Trump is being accused of trying to turn the Ukraine into a colony yet his terms for the Ukrainian resources are quite fair when compared to the Chinese deal in Serbia.
Regarding the Ukraine, I don’t think Serbia should be supplying arms to the Ukrainians, not should it ever impose sanctions on Russia, but neither should it support the Russians diplomatically. Putin has said that the West has broken international law by recognising Kosovo’s independence so he went and did the same by annexing Crimea and later the other four territories. The Ukraine recognises Serbia’s territorial integrity so I guess Serbia has to do the same with regard to the Ukraine. But then Russia also doesn’t recognise Kosovo. Still, if Serbia wants to uphold international law for the sake of its claim on Kosovo, it has to condemn the Russian occupation of the Ukraine, even though it may be backed by the referendums. Kosovo did not have a referendum but that doesn’t matter as it is obvious what the result would have been. Serbs may be pro-Russian but as far as diplomacy goes, Serbia should not be backing Russia’s territorial claims in spite of the nature of the regime in Kiev.
I was walking my dog today and saw this:
That device belongs to a cable / TV operator whose fault is to have in its package channels that give voice to the opposition to Vučić. Two months ago, Serbian Telecom forcibly took over a satellite TV operator, of which I was a subscriber, and within a week, removed all opposition channels from the package. Mind you, they didn’t remove Euronews, CNN, Bloomberg TV or the likes, nope, they removed Serbian opposition channels, added Croatian channels, a dozen specialised in the most vulgar kind of reality TV and a few that air Vučić monologues on a daily basis. Compared to Vučić, who is a prototypal sociopath, even Tito was a parangon of discretion.
Serbia is a country run by an organised crime syndicate, infrastructure is falling apart, mining sites have been sold for a song to Chinese, Australian and Canadian companies that extract raw materials and poison the soil for centuries to come, the level of corruption makes banana republics look like rule of law havens and Diana Johnstone is a thick-headed communist gone senile.
PS: If Elon Musk were what he pretends, instead of providing Ukrainian neo-nazis with Starlink terminals, he would lend a few for free to Serbian students.
Who told you about those “crimes”? NATO and MSM – the very same people that told you the “truth” about Muslims in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria, etc.?
You Muslim hypocrite! You do not mind NATO murder and MSM lies where they serve Jihad/Islam. You only complain when Muslims get the “services” Serbian people suffered in the 90s.
I guess Wesley Clark is a war criminal when targeting 7 Muslims countries in 5 years, but humanitarian when killing Orthodox Christian Serbs?
You hypocrite! You are just like that shaytan’s servant, Kevin Barrett!
Also, I did not see your condemnation of Muslim rapists and savages in EU!
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Here’s some background about those “victims” from the 90s – all just “happen” to be WW2 partners of Nazi Germany: Bosnian Muslims (aka Bosniaks), Catholic Croats, primitive Muslim Shqiptars/Albanians, Catholic Slovenians.
Even Bosnian Muslims separatist leader, Alija Izetbegovic, was a Nazi soldier [1][3], and Jihadist post-WW2. Also, below is Muslim priest giving Nazi salute [2].
[1] Alija Izetbegović as a member of the 13th mountain division of the SS “Handschar” | source: The New York Times
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[2] November 1943 al-Husseini greeting Bosnian Waffen-SS volunteers with a Nazi salute. On the right is SS General Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig. Bundesarchiv, Bild 146-1980-036-05 / Unknown / CC-BY-SA 3.0
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[3] Book: Hitler’s Jihadis: Muslim Volunteers of the Waffen-SS (Hitler’s Legions) by Jonathan Trigg | Note: Bosnian Muslims separatist leader Alija Izetbegovic on the cover as Nazi (first on the right)
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Disagree with you on one count. Being old enough to remember the communists’ rule, I think Vučić’s regime is worse than Tito’s. Not b/c the communists were better people but b/c the rot we have today is the natural consequence of communist-caused decay.
Had the 13 year old boy killed the student leaders, who are paralyzing Serbia at behest of the international crook George Soros, instead of other youngsters then he and his parents would have been held heros.
At any rate, the only way Serbia can come out of the crippling crisis is to give up orthodoxy in favor of evangelical churches a la Texas style, bring in Africans refugees, allow Soros to rape the country financially, give up additional lands to the Muslims of Albania and Kosvo, send young Serbs to fight Russians in Ukraine and but most importantly, start taking up the derriere to show that you welcome the LGBTQ+ and transgenderism… it’ll put you in good graces with moneybags and harlots. Good luck and God speed!
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It is said that if you want to understand a person, then go check out his library,
Annacath has you pegged for a Troll. Can’t say that I blame him after looking up the authors of the books you posted.
Is your post a good example of Chutzpah or are you sincerely trying to wake up an ignorant TUR readership?
Avro Manhattan (jewish) operated a radio station called Radio Freedom for the Allies during WWII.
Gideon Greif Is an Israeli historian specializing in the Holocaust
“John Cornwell is in the department of history and philosophy of science at Cambridge University. He is a regular feature writer at the Sunday Times (London) and the author and editor of four books on science, including Power to Harm, on the Louisville Prozac trial, as well as Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII and Breaking Faith: Can the Catholic Church Save Itself? Cornwell shows how John Paul’s increasing sense of providential rightness profoundly influenced his reactions to turbulence in the secular world and within the Church, including the 9/11 attacks, the pedophilia scandals in the United States, the clash between Islam and Christianity.” Blame it on the Church!!!
Joke of an article that has already stoked the fantasies of the lying Servs. Only one tribe lies more fantastically than the Servs. The Jews.
They also have the very exact same Holohoax narrative.
For the Jew: it’s the German
For the Serv: it’s the Croat
6 million Jews
600,000 Servs. Although that number has, in their fantasies, reached 2 million.
Many of the things historically said about Jews can readily be applied to the Servs.
They always tell you what happened to them, but they never tell you why! — Russian proverb
If you’ll believe the Jew, you’ll believe the Serv.
And one more thing: The Servs did not FIGHT against the Ottoman Empire. They fought FOR the Ottoman Empire. SERVing it for 500 years.
MemeJooJoo has got competition. Too bad there’s no “Moron” button.
Always the innocent victims, they and Jews truly are birds of a feather. Hateful punks like ghali don’t deserve lengthy answers.
“The Serbs are admirably patriotic people….They deserve better.”
Here’s the problem, though: Those “student protesters” paralyzing the country and acting as the EU globalists’ agents of subversion and destruction, are ALSO Serbs.
If it wasn’t for THEIR allowing themselves to be used as a wrecking tool against their own nation, the hostile outside forces couldn’t do any of what they are doing.
You mean he should have killed this student leader shaking hands with Soros’s heir?
True the Serbs are a patriotic people but they are also a vicious lot, revisit history.
I agree, the fuckery into Serbia has the fingerprints of the dark side of the 5is working for the European Banking family cartels represented by the City of London. These Bankesters rule the world through their takeover of organized crime by the 5Is and the laundering of illicit trafficking money. (Have you considered why Trump is attacking Canada and City of London agent Carney? Is it because Trump is crazy? No. It is about the deficit in trade. The Fentanyl trade generates pallets of cash out of the US. Who converts them into bank balances so the cartel can buy air to surface shoulder fired missiles and other toys? The British Banking System or Shadow Banking. Canada is the last wealthy colony to be extracted to finance their WW3. The counter move? Resource rich Alberta leaves Eastern Canada. Make sense?)
So we know who’s behind the move into Serbia, but why? Well, none of us are told ahead of time so we need to look at a map and ask what are the possible vectors. Then as one vector establishes itself as the most probable and possible, then, we can begin to predict with some certainty the end goal, hopefully in time for the Internet to expose it as has happened before.
So looking at the map, we know Russia is moving North East to creat a protective buffer zone denying Western Cruise missiles their effective range. This is a good example of Russian and Chinese methodology of denying the enemy advantages instead of destructive contact. The next logical step for Russia is Odessa in order to bottle up what is still called Ukraine, thus, converting the Black sea to a Russian pond and denying the Bankesters a venue into Ukraine from the sea. Putin does not wish to own Western Ukraine, so what’s the solution? Give back the historical regions which constituted the Soviet era region called Ukraine back to Belarus, Poland and Romania. Recently, the Romanians have been voicing their claim on their historical territory.
Serbian unrest and the movement of organized crime into Serbia is a first step to destabilize Romania and we know who is behind it. Ukraine was an expansion to the Russian border, however, the Russian border has been pushed out to Romania and Poland. Hence, for now Romania must become the newely established base for Bankester criminality and destabilization into Russian territory, regardless of how many Slavs or Slaves die.
Unfortunately, this is typical. Unless these Bankesters begin to seriously fear for their lives, they will never moderate their fuckery. I don’t know how or who can have the reputation and divine guidance to be entrusted by the population to save them and their children from slavery? Is this why Jesus will return to rule with Justice for all? The Christians and Muslims believe it to be true.
PS. We live in intetesting time, oh yes and Estrogen is leading us into war. Behind every great warring man, there is a woman, Ursual, Vicky, Analena, Hillary, Albright and very recently Rice. However, this subject is for another time.
Excellent primer on the geopolitics of Serbia. Thank you Mrs. Johnstone.
It appears conclusively that EU has its own slush fund similar to USAID for covertly sponsoring NGOs & Color Revolutions.
I’m interested in exploring this “Deepstate of the EU” and how long this CIA analog has been operating in the shadows of the European continent. There’s definitely a lot of public-private partnerships (see Open Society/Soros), but I’d like to identify the key players and teams running this OP; sunlight is the best disinfectant else they wouldn’t resort to the optics of “student protests” to accomplish regime changes.
Your understanding of Jihad has been pissed into your ears by those Western 5Is who run those criminals.
Load your brain before you start slamming your keyboard, fool. It is tiring reading the crap from these brainwashed Eastern Europeans.
Your Blowhard talk about regions and peoples with such certainty of your ignorance, never havevvisited or spoke the language, or even known the true history from those on the ground, is shameful.
When ISIS was first introduced, all one had to do was look at Arabic newspapers to realize the amount of comedy around ISIS’ appearance and to discover how ridiculous the Arabs considered it. However, it worked like expected on ignorant, arrogant, racist Christian Europeans. Get over it, Jesus wasn’t born in Athens or Rome. Europe has no resources. No one wants Europe.
Are we all sick of self inflicted ignorance and fear, leading to prejudice, yet? I am sick of those morons who allow satanic forces to divide us against each other.
Like I said, load your brain before you convince some of us of how ignorant you are.
PS. As soon as you consider yourself a fan about to be a hooligan for your religious team, regardless of which team, you are an idiot.
Lots of Serbian companies are supplying weapons and ammunition to Kiev: Yugoimport SDPR, Zenitprom, Krusik, Sofag, Reyer DTI, Sloboda, Prvi Partizan, at all.
They’re supplying hundreds of thousands of shells for MLRS and howitzers and a million rounds of ammunition for small arms.
This fact, coupled with Anon001’s retarded vitriolic propaganda, makes it clear what a perfidious, loathsome people these Serbs are. Saddens me to say this as I was always a champion of them and even protested the NATO bombing of Serbia outside the NATO meeting in D.C. during the 78-day NATO bombing campaign in 1999.
Ahhah…whatta joke.
Serbs are nutters, I know them.
They’re as crazy as hell (except most of my schoolmates). I’ll give just one example & then c-p something I wrote long ago & which most people here will find boring & incomprehensible.
Biblical Nephilim murdered 800,000,000 Serbs in Tatarstan ca. 300 years ago, when there were 1 billion Serbs. Jews are cockroaches who form some ”Black Nobility”(?), which dominates the world & rules all other countries. And why are Siberian forests not older than 300 years?
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The Chinese had exterminated hundreds of millions of Serbs (hint-just dig a bit under the Great Wall). Why then is Vučić trying to present the Chinese as “historical friends”, having in mind they had perpetrated the greatest genocide of Serbs in history & to buy Chinese vaccines? And Xi Ji Ping’s granny was a Jewish woman, so …
As for the past and present, I’ll insert MORE because most people don’t care about history & complexities.
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Numerically, Serbs/Croats are something like 1.6/1. It is not such a big disproportion; then, in our wars in the 20th C we feel we defeated them: during WW2, we were on both sides & were not defeated by them; in the 1990s wars they fled from Croatia proper & we would also greatly reduce their presence in Bosnia & Herzegovina, were it not for Bosnian Muslim national/ideological confusion.
Also, Serbs harbor this victim mentality that we had, in this century, killed ca. 1-2 million of them. This is absurd exaggeration, but it is, nevertheless, a reflection of their fear of us. They see us as bloodthirsty monsters (which is something radically different from Polish-Russian relations).
Also, since Croatian & Serbian are 100% mutually intelligible, we are somehow closer.
As for Serbs & Russia, there is a sort of “kitschy Orthodoxy luuv” expounded by many priests & some fringe politicians. Serbs are, emphatically, pro-Russian, but in real life they are Americanized & don’t care about Russians, except in situations involving political rhetoric. They also emigrate to Canada, Germany, Sweden,… & hardly anyone goes to Russia. Historical ties from the 18th C are gone, since Serbs mostly use our version of Roman alphabet & Cyrillic script is no more than 20% present in everyday life.
Serbs are, with rare exceptions, mostly irreligious so their “Orthodoxy” is frequently vastly exaggerated (actually, Orthodox priests are the butt of numerous tasteless jokes).
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1. In the past 500-600 years the national issue was not the central one. It became crucial from around the 1820s.
2. during past 500 years many “Serbs” (actually, a mixture of proper Serbs & partially Serbianized Vlachs, Albanians, Bulgarians, Greeks,…) had been migrating, following Ottoman armies, to what is now Croatia & ca. 50-70% of what is now Bosnia & Herzegovina. These people were Eastern Orthodox & called themselves Vlachs &, in a few instances, Serbs. Ottoman sources almost exclusively call them “Serbs” by religion (Srb-milleti). At the same time, the process of Islamization of local South Slavic populations of what are now Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro & Serbia proper was under way. Local Catholics were much more vulnerable because their centers of power had been outside (Rome, Venice, Habsburg empire,..), while Orthodox inhabitants were treated more leniently because their spiritual center was under the Ottoman control & no Orthodox force, until Russia much later, was their adversary. So, many local Catholics who went by proto-national & regional names (Dalmatians, Croats, Bosnians,..) had been Islamized; those Orthodox Slavs who had been Islamized, from Serbia, Montenegro to Bulgaria lost their ethnic identity in Ottoman officials’ eyes (because “Greeks” and “Serbs” could be only Orthodox), while Croats retained it. Thus there is a phenomenon that there were from the late 1400s to the early 1700s many highly placed Ottoman officials bearing the cognomen “Croat” (Rustem Pasha Croat), while no one bears the cognomen “Serb”- because it was, according to Ottoman classifications, a denomination, not an ethnicity. In Turkish eyes, “Croats” were in many cases not only ancestors of contemporary Croats, but any South Slav, any variant of Christianity, who had converted to Islam.Thus, paradoxically, Croatian name is much more prevalent in Ottoman sources than in Western (Venetian, Habsburg, French, English,…), where due to historical confusions various names for ancient tribes (Illyrians, Slovins, even Goths..) had been more applied to historical Croats & marginally all South Slavs. Also, due to that confusion rooted in medieval Croatian Glagolitic literary culture, some important early (the 15th-17th C) Croatian authors call all Slavs (including Poles and Russians) generic “Croats”.
3. local Eastern Orthodox who had settled in Croatian & Bosnian lands did not have a clear ethnic self-consciousness. In most records they are called Vlachs; in many others, they were referred to by others, as they were by themselves, as “Croats”. What did they mean by that, we don’t know. Also, their priests had retained elements of medieval Serbian literary culture, so in the elite Orthodox circles, the ancestors of contemporary Croatian Serbs were frequently called “Serbs” or “Slavo-Serbs”.
4. during the period of ca. 100 years, i.e. post-Napoleonic time to the start of the WW 1, for most modern Croats chief enemies had been Hungarians, Germans & Italians, while Serbs had been treated either as deluded Orthodox Croats or close cousins somewhere in the East; Bosnian Muslims were considered, “racially”, to be Croats & there was, in the spirit of 19th C liberal nationalism, no need for their re-conversion to Christianity.
5. from 1918- 1991, many things had happened, but the life in 2 Yugoslav states finally crystallized peoples around religion & historical cultures. Apart from Macedonians & Slovenes, Catholics were Croats, Orthodox were Serbs & Muslims were first Muslims by nationality, then they changed their name to Bosniaks. From Croatian perspective, Western peoples like Hungarians or Germans ceased to be enemies simply because they were not here anymore & there was no threat from them; Serbs are the central enemies who had been defeated in Croatia, but they remain in Bosnia & Herzegovina a problem- if they behave well, there can be cooperation with them, especially when their Serbian central gives up their provincial imperial dreams.
As for Muslims/Bosniaks, there are very few of them who are Croatian nationalists “of Islamic faith”; basically, they are considered to be a new, separate South Slavic people not easy to deal with because they, Bosnian Muslims, are riding on the wave of infantile national fantasies & would like to subdue both Croats & Serbs in Bosnia & Herzegovina. So, Serbs remain chief adversary with potential of becoming an uneasy neighbor; Muslims are unpredictable & volatile element which can be used as allies in difficult times, but are generally culturally foreign people who are here to stay in the vicinity, but are too different & immature in their behavior, oscillating between Ottoman nostalgias & inflated new Bosniak nationalism, so there is no consensus what to do with them.
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As for Serbs, they’re lost in space-time. They rot within; corruption is astonishingly high; they- most of them- adulate their president Vučić (or treat him as the traitor because he, the word goes around, has”sold out” the Kosovo province). Serbs have both superiority & inferiority complexes. For instance, ca. 20-40% believe that most Europeans are of Serbian origin (Germans, Russians, French,..); that Aristotle wrote in Serbian; that most Egyptian pharaohs & Roman emperors were, actually, Serbs; that there is continuity with the Neolithic Vinča culture, some 8,000 years old & that contemporary Serbian Cyrillic script, which was reformed by a philologist & ethnographer Vuk Karadžić in the 19th C is the direct continuation of some Neolithic scribbles in Vinča.
True, academic historians are fighting this nonsense, but at least 30% of Serbs believe in this.
At the same time, Serbs feel an ineradicable inferiority complex towards us, Croats. It goes deeper than geography, standard of living or anything similar. They are continually watching our TV programs- I don’t watch TV, any language & any country, but know this from others; they’re jealous of some of our TV documentaries about our medieval history; they cannot compile serious encyclopedic works on their written heritage, art, history…. so they’ve taken a few books from Croatian Renaissance & Baroque literature into their, pompously named, edition “10 centuries of Serbian literature” (of course that Renaissance & Baroque, as literary stylistic formations, don’t exist in Eastern Orthodox cultures); they…
Serbs have also enormously magnified ustaša atrocities during WW2 & somehow fused them with their lost war during the 1990s, which has created in their collective psyche the image of us, Croats, as something diabolic beyond comprehension. Before WW2, they mostly harbored contempt for us (Croatian faggots); after WW2, and especially after they lost in the 90s wars, they fear us as hell (Croatian demons).
For us, Serbs are either boring or we simply don’t know what’s going on with them. True, some, a more primitive layer, finds them attractive as a clownish & picturesque, “Balkan” entity, but this attraction soon wears out.
They are, along with Albanians & Macedonians, some sad east where nothing happens & where the future is the neverending fictionalized & mythologized past.
Diana,
Just wanted to say thank you for writing the article Thank You, Ed Herman back in 2017 and giving Ed Herman the credit due for the book Manufacture of Consent. Although this book is too limited in its perspective with regards to its revisions, it is an important book that is relative today. Reading that book and other related books on the deception industry is highly recommended, especially concerning the infiltration and control of history and political science at the universities.
If Serbian terrorists hadn’t assassinated the Archduke we wouldn’t have had WWI – or not until Kaiser Bill had found another excuse for it, at least.
But that was all a long time ago, so when Slick Willie began his bombing campaign against the Serbs I disapproved strongly – killing poor old women on the bus to the market and so on. Disgraceful.
The trend in the West has been to “extend the franchise”: letting more and more groups of people vote in elections. This was seen as “good” and “democratic”.
It’s time to think about restricting the franchise to fewer voters, starting with “idealistic youth” (useful idiots). Scottish Nationalists recently wanted to extend the franchise to 16 year olds to enlist more useful idiots so they could pass their independence referendum.
We have to read between the lines of this piece.
We learn that Croatia and Serbia are “richer”. They have an interest in keeping the moneys they earn, locally. Serbia, “poorer”, has an interest in rent-extraction.
Milosevic promised to his people – the Serbs – they could still live large off Croatian labor.
Maybe that’s not “nationalism”. If not, it is worse: it is the attitude of a feudal Slavic lord over his serfs.
Always assume that what is posted at Unz is a propagandum until proven otherwise. This post has proven likewise.
Yeah, well, Muslims have been committing crimes against Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists for more than a millennium. Muslims have done to Christians in the lands they occupied what the Europeans have done to the natives in the Americas, genocided them. All of North Africa and the Middle East was Christian before the Muslims came along to slaughter, forcibly convert and expel the Christians. How many of those native Christians remain in those lands? And now Muslims are extending their crimes against Christians deep inside Europe. Maybe it is time to settle the old scores, eh?
The best globalist agent of subversion in Serbia is the man who hired Israeli PR firms run by Mossad to make his promotion in the West, who hired Tony Blair as advisor, who is pal with Soros son, who sells Ukraine ammunition to kill Russians, who donated a million dollar of Serbian money to the Clinton Foundation, who took a two-billion loan to pay for French Rafales that will be used for air shows and nothing else, who appointed a lesbian USAID creature and granddaughter of a ustasha officer first as prime minister and now as president of the National Assembly, who sold out natural resources to foreign companies for trifles, including a 2+ billion worth gold mine for 37 million $, who signed off any form of Serbian institutional presence in Kosovo and delivered it to Albanians, who accepted a Kosovo Albanian representation in Belgrade that is an embassy in all but name and which they themselves consider as their unofficial embassy, who cozies up to drug traffickers, who has hired thugs to beat up students and calls heroes punks who have broken the jaw of a 20yr old girl with a baseball bat, I mean I could go on and on and on enumerating his crimes, this is but an excerpt of what he has done.
From the Jovanjica cannabis plantation to the Novi Sad railway station’s canopy, to using a sound cannon to cause panic among peaceful demonstrators, to the turning of the park between the National Assembly and the Serbian presidency into an encampment for violent felons that he pays with public money to protect him, Vučić’s rule is one long litany of crimes.
How devoid of a moral compass, what kind of p o s do you have to be to support the most repugnant sociopath to ever rule Serbia?
Only power of pain and suffering, or bribery will change anything in this “modern” world. Rule of Law is dead; Global jurisprudence has collapsed completely.
Auschwitz of the Balkans? You do know its fake and gay?
Re: Kosovo and Metohija
UNSCR1244 codfied in international law that Kosovo and Metohija is part of Serbia. That hasn‘t changed.
SFSN
Avro Manhattan was a trashy Jewish propagandist who wrote mythological nonsense about NDH/Independent State of Croatia, 1931-1945 atrocities. This is simply- exaggerated bunch of lies.
Greif is corrupt ex-Israeli historian who doesn’t speak Croatian and Serbian languages, but has authored a mammoth pseudo-historical book on Jasenovac CC, paid by Serbian government & which was awarded the book of the year title at Belgrade book fair- Serbs are obsessing about NDH as I write.
They equate current democratic Croatia, member of all international organizations with NDH (which encompassed Bosnia and Herzegovina) & was a puppet dictatorship of Mussolini and Hitler.
Sometimes, I encounter their lunacies in their contemporary press & they all lie, distort, evade, … In all, they are a sick society. Reasonable people among them died in the early 2000s & were remnants of the Communist system period (Svetozar Petrović, Vaso Milinčević, Miodrag Popović, ..).
As I wrote some time ago, there is an unbridgeable gulf between them and Croats, something foreigners cannot comprehend because they speak very similar, almost identical modern standard languages.
Who are the Serbs? It is a Slavophone people belonging to the Eastern Christianity of a specific, Saint Sava’s religious-historical culture, speaking the West South Slavic dialect continuum plus, in part, the Torlak dialects that form the Bulgarian-Serbian Sprachbund. The Nemanjić dynasty played a key role in constituting this people at the end of the Middle Ages, as well as the mythized past about the Battle of Kosovo (1389), folk hero Obilić & other anti-Ottoman real & imagined heroes, etc. So, for Serbs, the case is simple – the Balkan Orthodox people, who came into contact with Western culture during their migrations towards the north and the west, enriching themselves through the process – but that did not change their essential national physiognomy.
Who are the Croats? And why can’t Serbs, even when they are well disposed, understand anything about Croats? The thing is that the Croatian identity is multi-layered and for something as simple or different as the Serbian ethnicity – it is actually inconceivable. Croats are a Slavophone people belonging to Western Christianity, inheriting the traditions of the early medieval Croatian state through the institution of Parliament, and the old Bosnian polity, marginally, through the Franciscan order. Croats speak West South Slavic dialects, but their identity is multi-layered. Also – Croats are the only Catholic Slavic people having a Cyril and Methodius / Church Slavonic tradition, while other similar peoples (Slovenes, Czechs, Poles … – do not possess). For Croats, everything comes in threes: the Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia; three scripts historical culture: Glagolitic, Croatian or Bosnian Cyrillic, Roman; trilingual historical culture: Latin, Old Church Slavonic, Croatian; three dialects Croatian language: Čakavian, Štokavian and Kajkavian; belonging to three cultural circles or civilizations: Mediterranean, Central European and Balkan-Oriental.
It is precisely the complexity of the Croatian identity that makes it impossible for even the most well-meaning Serbs to comprehend, since it doesn’t fit in any concept of nationality they can conceptualize & understand.Incompatibility of temper and national beings.
For complexities, here are many links I guess people here are not interested to read. But without them, one cannot comprehend the situation.
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But, in sum: from the early 19th C Serbs formulated their national unification program, which included most of historical Croatian lands & was explicit in denigration of Croatian national identity. This turned into clash & eventually violence in the 20th C.
The Greater Serbia ideology is the reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Serbia
Milosevic never promised such a thing.
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I’ll say it again, Serbs don’t give a sh*t about Croats or what is going on in Croatia. Heck, I have absolutely no idea of who’s president or prime minister of Croatia. The only Croatian politician I’ve heard of is Tonino Picula and I am grateful to him for opposing Serbia’s membership in the EU. But whenever, wherever, on whatever media, there’s an article or a story about Serbia or Serbs, even if it has no bearing whatsoever on Croatia, Croats feel obliged to comment.
Tell me punk, why are you so obsessed with us? Somehow, I don’t think that the hundreds of thousands of Serbs you slaughtered during WW2 – in such barbaric ways that in comparison Islamist butchers could pass for moderates – weigh on your conscience. So what’s your problem?
Croats- Ustase Thumb Knife:)
A question for you:
Do you think Adam and Eve were Serbs?
only problem is, that free money always comes with strings attached, that way they can snatch it back. once they have enough strings attached, you become their marionet and they call the tunes to which you dance.
0ne thing to consider, is that if the russians end up with a security zone to hungary, then the serbs will then no long be trapped within the e.u. and can align with hungary and slovika. while orban did not attend victory day in moscow, for the following reasons:
https://tass.com/society/1879147
fico on the other hand did attend much to the consternation of e.u., along with vucic, who suddenly grew a spinal column and here he is displaying it in action:
Video Link
fico, orban and vucic, have all complained about the ukranazis interfering with their gas deliveries from russia, perhaps part of the security zone will include protections of their pipelines. i just have a feeling these three countries will come together, breaking the e.u. stranglehold, preventing their working with the russian federation. this would also give them a backdoor to the b.r.i. through russia.
wouldn’t it be wonderful, if e.u. treachery lead to the demise of the block and it’s borg hive mindset, along with their ukranazi proxy the e.u. should be balkanized and broken up into smaller less dangerous states.
April 12, 2025 “Peace on Planet Earth: Cancel Your NATO Membership. It’s Easy? “Say Goodbye” to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)Say No to WWIII: “Cease to be Party to NATO” (art. 13)
US-NATO-Israel’s “humanitarian wars” consist of crimes against humanity, genocide and the destruction and fragmentation of entire countries: Palestine, Vietnam, Cambodia, Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine, … not to mention military coup’s, regime change, color revolutions, … poverty and famine.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/peace-on-planet-earth-cancel-your-nato-membership-its-easy-say-goodbye-to-the-atlantic-treaty-organization-nato/5874098
Bardon Kaldian
I thank you for your info, you appear to be quite knowledgeable on the Serb/Croatia relationship. I, on the other hand, know or understand nothing of this topic.
However, as I read your writings on this subject, I must take into account a statement that you had made elsewhere:
Your Croatian “gladness” is typical of tribal identity and at a fundamental level we are in disagreement just as I am in disagreement with Seneca’s quote. When you are thinking like something you are really not thinking. You may be 100% correct on this issue but can you blame an ignoramus for pointing this out.
You further state elsewhere that the Serbs:
A “rational world” is another fundamental disagreement.
Despite what I perceive as very strong nationalism that defines the rational and irrational, I find some of your other comments (from other writings) interesting and worthy of exploration. I will give them a looking over and maybe we can find some common ground. You appear to be a very interesting person.
Well- “punk” your mother.
Serbian newspapers incessantly blather about some non-existent ustaša threat; Serbian government is obsessing about WW2 “genocide” (which never happened); Serbian curriculum in the higher education includes 11 Croatian authors; Serbian cultural circles are trying to split Croatian corpus by inventing “Bunjevac language”; Serbian discourse is fixated on the Operation Storm in a typically pathological manner:
https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/s-olujom-je-zavrsila-mucna-epizoda-duga-cetiri-godine-na-zalost-na-takav-nacin-ali-to-je-bio-srpski-izbor-1607120
Serbian intelligentsia is full of paranoid view on Croatian influence and identity:
https://jadovno.com/milo-lompar-miroslav-krleza-osioni-negator-srpske-istoriJe-ili-enciklopediska-arbitraza-2/?lng=lat
Rational Croatian video:
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Typical Serbian nonsense:
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Croats, on the other hand, don’t pay attention to anything Serbian (which is weakness, because one should be aware of unpleasant neighbors); don’t know anything about Serbian history and identity, and don’t care about them; when Croatian PM Plenković says something marginal & indifferent, Serbian government gets an apocalyptic fit; nor do Serbs enter Croatian consciousness- except when there is case of deliberate provocations, which is frequent.
https://www.index.hr/world/clanak/why-is-vucic-so-obsessed-with-croatia/2198175.aspx
Why is Vucic so obsessed with Croatia?
I guess we disagree on two issues, collective identity & “rationality”.
As far as collective identity goes, an individual can flourish only within a national culture (I mean those immersed in it, organically). As historians had defined: A nation is a community of destiny that has become a community of character. Speaking even of radical individualists like Nietzsche, he is unthinkable outside of German culture. A nation is an extended tribe, which is an extended family. This is natural and normal, and becomes stifling only if one is obsessed with their identity while simultaneously disparaging other nations.
As rabbi Hillel famously said:
If I am not for myself- who will be for me?
But- if I am only for myself- who am I?
As far as rationality goes, in Europe you have the Catholic and later also Protestant West that have passed through rigorous schools of logic, Aristotle, Abelard, Leibniz,… and are capable of qualified discourse.
Orthodox East approach is mostly based on emotions & irrational approach, which may be good for some time as propaganda,but ultimately collapses under closer scrutiny.
Putin’s lies & concoctions are a good example of this.
Do your friends in Belgrade know the EU Refugee Management Committee intends to dump loads of negroes and muslims and muslim-negroes in their neighborhoods?
You two, go get a room and get the hell away from Serbs.
Creepy 73-year old men who like 24-year old girls.
All they need is a rump Ukraine which is neutral on the 🇦🇹 Austrian model with Mother Russia annexing the eastern third.
Putin, stay strong!!! 💪
And between, all was sweetness and light? We seem to have skipped over a few things there.
You are fabricating history to portray the Serbs as victims, similar to how the Jews have done. I do not believe that Donald Trump or Novak Djokovic agrees with your fabrication.
I’m reluctant to do more than dip my toe into all this, both because I don’t actually know enough and because the responses from this part of the world can be explosive.
However, I will go so far as to observe that Serbia was far more completely absorbed into the Ottoman Empire and for a far longer time than Croatia ever was. Obviously, that would have led to two very different national cultures.
Interesting article.
Regrettably, I was actually part of the forces that bombed Croatia, specifically the Udbina Air Base in 1994, out of Aviano, Italy. Naturally, at the time, I had no idea what any of it was about, but years later, finding out it was naked aggression by NATO, and that “we” were once again on the wrong side, was disappointing.
That said, this article, in the various quotes, references so many phases and buzz words that are glaring red flags, and synonymous with “Western Nations” fuckery and bullshit-
NGO’s- If the world has a single ailment, it’s the cancer of NGO’s. Basically, every nation that cares about survival, should ban them all. They’re just tools for color revolutions, PsyOps, perversion, subversion, and manufactured chaos, as indicated by-
“Western values, Liberal Democracy, European values, Civil Society, Social Change Agents, Student Protests, Election Integrity, Transparency, etc., etc.”
This is all the current politi-speak for typical fuckery. Any “NGO” speaking like that, or promoting any of that bullshit, cannot be trusted, and should be banned.
Only one?
That reminds me of something that occurred to me last night.
It’s amusing to note those nations with something of a ‘historical friendship’ with Russia — at least an occasional one: Bulgaria, Serbia, the Czechs.
They share one common property: they are not immediately adjacent to Russia. Nations that are or were — Finland, the Baltic states, Poland, Hungary, Romania — don’t have such a tradition of historic friendship. To say the least.
Yes we do. And because we don’t want them, we need both Vučić and his “opposition” to be sent to the garbage heap of History.
if the ukranazis won’t agrre to terms (and they won’t), the russians will take odessa. after what these bastards did in odessa, they have no right to it. if they don’t and the perfidious albion, ends up there the russians will regret it. i think that’s all part of the plan but the russians want be able to say we offered you better terms many times and you refused.
everyone hates the soviets but somehow their creation of ukraine is sacrosanct. they are a phony made up state, created by jewish supremacists, exactly like israel. the goblin king even proclaimed, he wanted to make it a big israel, i guess that’s why he was voted the world’s most influential jew in 2022.
this is exactly why the russians haven’t killed the rat, they know he can never accept losing an inch of ukraine, or risk being killed by his masters, the ukranazis in e.u.kraine and ashkenazis in israel. the russians have been stating they will need a security barrier area, in addition to the oblasts that are already part of the russian federation. if nothing else they will demand a fully autonomous region for russian speaking ukrainians.
if these dirty bastards, can break off kosevo and recognize its independence, there’s no reason the russians couldn’t do the same. r2p and all, right? in this case it would be fully justified. the best part of it, is ratlensky is going to be blamed for everything, by everybody in the end, poetic justice, couldn’t happen to a nicer goblin.
Because he is half-Albanian, half-Croat and needs to conceal his true origin? That said, Vučić is not at all representative of Serbs, while you are representative of Croats and the fact remains that Serbs don’t give a f*ck for articles about Croatia while you feel the need to denigrate Serbs in the comment section of every article about Serbia everywhere regardless of whether it has or hasn’t any bearing whatsoever on Croatia.
Are you jealous b/c there are articles about Serbia and no articles about Croatia on TUR? I mean, if I stumble upon an article about Croatia anywhere, I don’t even bother to read, let alone feel the need to denigrate Croats in the comments section, I skip b/c I have zero interest in what happens to you. Whether good or bad, I simply don’t care and I want to have nothing to do with you. You otoh seem to have no other purpose in life than badmouthing Serbs.
You have your independence, our ways have parted, hopefully forever, so for f*ck’s sake, forget us. We’d have no problem forgetting you if you weren’t such low-life petit-bourgeois Peeping Toms constantly on the lookout for what happens in our yard.
Until target states arrest ALL these treacherous NGO leaders and ban ALL the NGOs, outright, unless entirely financed and staffed by locals, the Western predators will never cease targeting the rest of the world, so that the entire planet can be run by vermin like the hideous anorexic fascist Kallas. And lock ’em up for a LONG time. And NO exile in the West when released.
Clever girl!
Bardon,
You are describing the egocentric state of mind which is normal. But the egocentric state of mind is fundamentally irrational which is also normal. Do you really want to be trapped in the normal?
The collective identity is the consequence a survival program to persevere, protect and function within an authoritative social system.
What I am proposing to you is a transition from the programed mind into a state of awareness. In this state of mind you will loose your metal prison of collective identity and cultivate an awareness of Self. Many call it the autonomous Self.
I highly suggest that you explore this further. All the books and learning cannot help you cultivate an awareness of Self. It is not easy but necessary if you want to advance as a human being. If you think of yourself as a Croatian then you will be stuck in an egocentric state of mind. I am not discussing geopolitics, but fundamentals of advancing to a higher state of mind.
To all U.S. military: Get the hell out of Kosovo and as a matter of fact, Europe. We, American people do not support the expenditure of our dollars to prop up the MIC. Bring all troops home to fix, construct and expand the collapsing infrastructure to benefit the USA. Stop creating “enemies”. No country plans on attacking the U.S. Stop fear mongering for profit. Banker’s wars, that is all we have had for the last 100 years. End the FED, shutter the corrupt FBI,CIA,NSA and all the evil agencies who fleece the public.
Stop attempting to turn the tables on the man. He literally handed your ass to you on this topic. Yours and the asses of many others.
Very few Westerners understand the historical rift, to put it lightly, between Croats and Servs. It runs much deeper than Croats extolling 1,300 years of Roman Catholicism and Servs extolling 800 years of a cheap and false Eastern Orthodoxy called St.Savism.
Despite mutual linguistic intelligibility, they are not, never were and never will be one people.
The CROATS are NOT catholicized Servs, as Servian megalomaniacs claim. Even St. Sava (Rastko Nemanjić) was christened Roman Catholic. Before him, Stefan Nemanja was christened Roman Catholic.
That right there is the destruction of contemporary Servian jingoism and mythology.
They shared the SAME confession of medieval CROATS, who, unlike the Servs, REMAIN in their ORIGINAL Roman Catholic confession.
Have a nice day. Better luck in Servian Milwaukee or Servian Mumbai.
No one needs to denigrate Serbs- just, they need exposition of their lies in the media space. Their lying won’t go unnoticed. And it is Serbian media machinery & its elite, not any obscure commenter anywhere. They should be exposed, and only sometimes are because Croatian people & its elites don’t know nor care.
As for TUZ- iz had one worthy column (not anymore) & the other stuff consists of mostly lunatic conspiracy texts. No articles on serious stable countries like Finland or, let alone, Denmark. Shitholes are the subject matter.
The article circumnavigate around the obvious: a color revolution has been attempted and is still attempted in Serbia.
The usual suspects have been named though:
– the EUSSR (which replaced the USSR when it imploded, the Maastricht “treaty dates from 1992, this is not a coincidence). The inept, incompetent, idiotic, unelected and irrelevant Kalas (like her criminal mistress vonder leyen).
– Foreign intelligence agencies are obviously involved along with fake NGO’s linked to the EUSSR, Soros and all the other usual scumbags involved in regime changes.
They tried to kill Robert Fico in Slovakia, They rigged elections in Moldava, they canceled legitimate elections in Romania, arrested the winner and forbade him to run, then organized new elections and when the patriot candidate was winning, they rigged the second round of the election.
This is what the EUSSR is all about.
By the way German elections too were rigged. They also recently banned Marine Lepen to run for political office in France because she won the last elections in 2022 which were rigged too and to make sure she won’t win in 2027.
They also tried a color revolution in Georgia and they have been at trying in Serbia for a while now.
This is the work of the EUSSR, NATO, their billionaire handlers and of course the US might also be involved.
Most Europeans like Americans are too ignorant, credulous, oblivious and cowardly to want to know that they live under the yoke of totalitarian regimes worse than Hitler’s Germany or Stalin’s USSR. At least Hitler didn’t work to exterminate and replace his won population as the criminals in power in Europe do.
Vucic should take example on Fico and Orban, wait for no good and want nothing from the totally rotten and dying ‘west’, ally himself with Russia and renounce once and for all to shackle his nation to the EUSSR.
Croats were assigned the dirtiest jobs by the Vatican mafia organization. That is why the Croats are the only genocidal group in the world and I have yet to see a single Croat who has ever acknowledged the Croatian-Catholic genocide of the Serbs.
There were 100s of locations in WW2 Nazi Croatia (pit caves, pits, villages, towns, etc.) where Serbs were slaughtered including multiple large extermination camps. Croats even had at least one extermination camp just for Serbian children. Estimates of Serb deaths in the largest, but not the only one, extermination camp called Jasenovac (5 times the size of Auschwitz) according to the historian Gideon Greif, were at least 1.4 million. He explained that Serbs were tortured/slaughtered in 57 different ways.
He also mentioned that the total number is for sure higher as many victims were not buried in mass graves, but rather thrown into Sava river, burned in furnaces, made soap of (yes you read that right – Croats made soap of murdered Serbs), etc. Note that those were extermination camps and not concentration camps, as Croats did not feed the prisoners, since they were brought in to be slaughtered asap.
According to American WW2 findings/reports, around 1,300 Croatian Catholic priests took direct part in murders, rapes, etc. Yes, you read that right – Croatian Catholic priests slitting throats, raping women and girls, torturing people, etc. as reported by USA WW2 archives.
These 57 ways of killing Serbs, inspired by the Vatican, can be seen in the following table. Now if you condemn these Croatian crimes I will immediately withdraw my qualification that the Croats are a genocidal group without a single exception.
You admit not actually knowing enough, yet immediately claim things about Croatia.
Croatia actually never existed as a country until 1941-1945, as illegitimate self-declared Nazi country [1], followed by the second attempt in 1991, when illegitimately self-declared again, and then cried Serb aggression after Yugoslav National Army (JNA) reacted to their Nazi insignia, separatism, organized pogroms of non-Croats, as well as their organized and synchronized attacks on Army barracks/bases. Today’s Croatia is <5% non-Croat, and the most popular singer is a Nazi/Ustashe rocker called Thomson.
They were recognized in 1992. thanks to the efforts of Contemporary Nazi Germany (post reunification) and Vatican (i.e. Unholy See), so that is when Croatia, with land theft from the communists times they themselves organized, as they ruled communist Yugoslavia with Tito (a non-Serb) and Slovenians, was made official. That land theft includes 95% of the Adriatic Coast.
That is why map of Croatia looks funny – like a boomerang – all due to land theft. One boomerang arm is a theft of some of the most fertile land in Former Yugoslavia (Slavonia, etc.), while the other is Adriatic Coast theft.
There was no kingdom of Croatia, there were no Croatian kings – all that is just fiction concocted by them, Vatican, and Germans. Fake maps, fake history, fake documents, etc. – all classic new nation engineering/creation. In some cases, even them admitted docs being forgeries – like Pacta Conventa.
"Croatian" language is just a dialect of the Serbian language, and "Croatian" alphabet is just a Latin version of the Serbian one. No need for translators even today after they invented many new words to try to make it look like a separate language.
Croats are descendants of Orthodox Christian Serbs, that were for the most part, force converted into Catholicism through blackmail and threats over many decades, and then, at the very end of the 19th century forced to declare, not as Serbs of Catholic faith as they called themselves up to that point, but as "Croats". Modern genetic studies show a complete match!
See Austro-Hungarian Empire (AHE) census books [2] showing zero Croats and 100% Serbs in e.g. Dubrovnik in 1890, and recall the fact that the Serbian Party won the elections in Dubrovnik in 1890! Today, there are essentially close to no Serbs in Dubrovnik!
In short, Croats are an artificial nation of religious converts – i.e. they are former Serbs.
Many of them know their roots, as they've found Orthodox Christian icons and grandparents' Orthodox baptism certificates in the attics, but afraid to speak due to potential violent reprisals. Even those very few Serbs that still live there, have to keep quiet about it. One of the most famous Serbs there is a former wrestler called Mirko Cro Cop (last name Filipović) who is a Serb, but you will not hear him say who he is, as he may get doxxed, gang-beaten or even killed.
Hope this helps. You are welcome.
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[1] WWII – Independent State of Croatia | Nazi Croatia | NDH – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_of_Croatia
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[2] Scan of Austro-Hungarian Empire (AHE) census list from Dubrovnik and other places (today’s Croatia) from 1890 AD – zero Croats!
Title reads: According to the language spoken at home.
Columns with counts are as follows: Serbian, Italian, Slovenian, Russian, Czech, Polish, German, Hungarian
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Actually no, Catholic baptism and Pope’s crown were lies injected by Vatican and Jesuits into only one copy (Paris’ copy) of the only 3 preserved copies of Nemanja’s biography – the other two do not have that. He was never a Catholic nor ever used any Pope-sent crowns.
As a matter of fact, Serbian St. Sava (Nemanjić) always referred to Roman Catholic Church and Vatican as Latin heretics and schismatics!
That is how Vatican “corrects” history – making copies of the original, adding little things here and there to fit their agenda, and then declaring the original as lost. Very subtle lies, but with major impact on the history, like lies about Serbia Orthodox Christian Nemanjic Dynasti.
In cases where forgery is not feasible either due to a large amount of work required or too complex, Vatican used strategy number two – forbidding books.
For example, Mauro Orbini’s “Kingdom of the Slavs” was immediately censored by Vatican as he wrote 100s of pages about the Serbs. If you’d believe it, special official note has been attached to the copy of that book in the Vatican library – it reads “Do not show it to Serbs!” This work was translated in communist Yugoslavia by ignoring the part where Serbs were mentioned. Hence, only the second half was translated, while the first part was declared as fiction by the communist professors and ignored. One interesting tidbit from it: Mauro refers to the Serbian leader Lazar of Kosovo Battle fame as the King of Triballi!
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Interesting additional tidbit is that the forgery known as pseudo-Porphyrogennetos, alleging migration of Serbs to the Peninsula in the 7th century, was also “discovered” in Paris’ library. Vatican/Catholics ruled France in those days (17th century), as you know, so it was easy and handy to forge and “discover”.
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You should take a look at “Russia and the Universal Church” by Vladimir Solovyev. Islam is less a hostile foreign religion forced upon the Orthodox peoples and more the honest expression of the religious impulse of the Oriental peoples (Greeks, Arabs, Slavs, and etc) when the people deliberately choose to disobey their bishops or refuse any practical application of the gospel in everyday life.
Thank you Odyssey. It is good to keep pointing this out even though it is likely to keep falling on deaf ears.
Having established their identity on hate of anything and everything Serbian and Orthodox Christian, having poisoned their souls and minds, having committed most despicable crimes over decades, and having escaped unpunished, the Croats have given themselves eternal chains and will never be able to escape this predicament.
I have studied in Zagreb at the time and I have witnessed first hand this hate and accompanying hysteria. It was an irrational and cult like behaviour. As if they were possessed. I was not able to explain it then nor now although I have vague sense that it is deeply rooted in the sense of inferiority and insecurity. Yes, they will never admit their crimes, at least as long as they remain protected.
Thank you Anon001, appreciate your depth of information and knowledge as well as your courage.
Truly incredible things, some similar ones can be seen in the adjacent text by Hudson.
So much aggression and decadence in the West. For example, members of the Catholic sect very aggressively defend the monopoly of their organisation to be an intermediary in the relationship of the individual (and entire nations) to God.
Moreover, so many indoctrinated and brainwashed believe that the guy at the top of the mafia organisation is infallible, even the successor of Saint Peter (lol) that neither the Bible nor Jesus himself is needed anymore because this Godfather can overrule everything. His word is the last.
And such people consider themselves intellectuals and free thinkers who, consciously or unconsciously, transfer this aggression to other individuals (and entire nations) by prescribing to them what is permissible and what is not and what they should do.
Then we have a whole series of other secondary sects, derivatives of this original sect, which we cannot understand either head or tail. What they all have in common is that they aggressively promote their product like car salesmen, not hesitating to intercept you on the street, enter your driveway or even try to break into your house like a travelling salesman offering you salvation.
Some commentators here even mock the Orthodox, for whom the church does not impose itself as an intermediary to God, but people have their own direct relationship with Him, and in the church they can (if they want) hear optional opinions and advice, socialise with others and share their opinions or problems with them.
There is no aggression and harassment of individuals and pressure to come to church regularly (as with Catholics in smaller places), nor is there any attempt to attract an atheist or a member of one of the aforementioned Western sects to their own camp, presumably to put a few dollars on a plate at the end of the service.
When reading some of the experiences of individuals in the West, an Orthodox person truly feels mentally free that at least no one is terrorising him in a Kafkaesque or Orwellian way in that regard, in addition to all the potential everyday and existential problems that we all have.
Commenting while not even knowing the difference between a terrorist act (civilians as targets) and political assassination act (political figures as targets)?
This political assassination was the work of a revolutionary/anarchist organization called Young Bosnia, which was a creation of Free Masons, and not Kingdom of Serbia (KoS). Also, Young Bosnia was not ethnic Serbian, but multi-ethnic as it also included Croats, Bosnian Muslims, and others. Gabriel (Gavrilo), although allegedly an ethnic Serb, was not declaring himself as such. Also, he was an atheist.
Of course, primitive West is the source of the filthiest lies – including this who-triggerred-WW1 you swallowed hook, line, and sinker, and that is why the Kingdom of Serbia and the Serbian people are still falsely blamed for this Western-organized murder operation!
Excuse was indeed needed as Austro-Hungarian Empire (AHE) actually attempted to start a war on Kingdom of Serbia (KoS) in 1912, but failed unexpectedly, in a way they could not have predicted it.
Yes, 1912! Two years before it officially started! I’ll leave it up to you to find out what happened.
So they went back to the drawing board, as they realized that they needed an event to “justify” it – sound familiar?
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Young Bosnia, Gabriel (Gavrilo) Princip was a member of, was a revolutionary/anarchist organization based in Austro-Hungarian Empire, established by Free Masons, and not Kingdom of Serbia (KoS). Ferdinand was sacrificed by his own, for the “higher” goal, in a false-flag to “justify” attack on Serbia. British agent trained Gavrilo Princip to shoot.
Aside from Young Bosnia, Free Masons established many other same-purpose organizations: Young Italy, Young Belgium, Young Turkey, Young Poland, and Young Vienna. Does this sound like a network of anarchist organizations planned, financed and organized by the Kingdom of Serbia?
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Masonic (non-Serbian) background of it all is mentioned in the book “Under The Sign of The Scorpion” by Jüri Lina [1][4] in the chapter titled “How the Communists Reached Power” [1]. Here’s an excerpt from it: The Background of the First World War – Here I should mention something about the background to the First World War. It was revealed during the trial of Gavrilo Princip and Nedelko Cabrinovic, the assassins of Franz Ferdinand (the heir to the Austrian throne), that the French Masonic organization Grand Orient was behind the assassination plans, and not the Serbian nationalist organization the Black Hand. This enormous provocation had been planned in Paris in 1912 at 16 Rue Cadets, the headquarters of Grand Orient. Nedelko Cabrinovic revealed in court how the freemasons had sentenced Franz Ferdinand to death. He learned this from the freemason Ziganovic (it was he who gave the assassin Princip a Browning pistol). Princip was also a freemason. The sentence was executed on the 28th of June 1914. Everything according to the stenographic report of the court published in Alfred Mousset’s book “L’Attentat de Sarajevo”, Paris, 1930 [2]. This information was later hushed up.
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Re False flag as WWI trigger: Archduke Ferdinand sacrificed: Below is one short video [3] describing details of the event itself and how it all seemed to be prepared for the Archduke to be disposed of. He was literally driven around and delivered to Gavrilo Princip, who was in the sandwich shop after he gave up on the operation and went to get something to eat. Extra police protection, after the first failed attempt, was essentially denied, and the cars continued through streets as if nothing has happened. Also, British agent and not Serbian military/intelligence trained Gavrilo Princip to shoot for the event.
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[1] Under The Sign of The Scorpion – 06:
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/signscorpion/signscorpion06.htm
[2] L’ Attentat de Sarajevo | documents inédits et texte intégral des sténogrammes du procès by Albert Mousset | Published in Paris, 1930
https://openlibrary.org/books/OL20589244M/L’_Attentat_de_Sarajevo
[3] The Hilarious Death of Archduke Ferdinand (22 mins) – YouTube:
(Note: after he starts talking about video sponsor, just fast forward to 2m 53s)
[4] Under the Sign of the Scorpion (The Rise and Fall of the Soviet Empire)
Author: Jüri Lina | ISBN 9197289779 | 978-9197289771
Author’s website: https://jyrilina.com/english/under-the-sign-of-the-scorpion-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-soviet-empire/
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Thank you, Big Z! Not a problem at all – glad it helped shine some light on it.
Feel free to ask any questions.
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Obey your bishops untermensch, the successors of Christ in both East and West, the college of bishops have decreed the authority of the Papacy. The personal opinions of the disobedient mob are of no consequence. God wills it.
Psychos- we possess your smelly little soul until eternity.
Is it basically a clash of civilizations, i.e. something infinitely more than “debunking”?
I just want to say-it’s not just Serbian propaganda. It is about the mental & moral maturity of that people. Let me explain, and this may sound not just harsh, but even vitriolic. Just- I cannot think otherwise. It is not something guttural, but based on my interactions with Serbs.
Most Serbs who went to grammar & high school with me are, give or take, like us. Actually, I wouldn’t even call them Serbs (not that I am denying their right to be whatever they want to be, like Starčević did in the 19th C). They just don’t care about anything specifically Serbian (history, language, culture, religion,…). What defined them, my acquaintances from high school, as Serbs, was their fear of ustaše & Jasenovac, the entire NDH mental-emotional complex.
Personally- I’ve read hundreds,perhaps thousands of relevant books on Serbian identity, history, culture, their self-consciousness and interactions with “others”. Long since I’ve come to the conclusion that their intellectual elites, not just vulgar propagandists & extremists, are almost without exception members of the Byzantine-Balkan civilizational area & simply cannot escape limitations of that cultural- mental sphere. In effect, that means they’re doomed to irrationality & cognitive dissonance with the modern, rational world. What I want to emphasize is that goes for the elites (I don’t mean financially powerful people, nor women & men who are into the exact sciences etc.) – and not just for semi-educated citizens or semi-literate peasants.
These elites which create their public opinion have produced a mass of published works in the past, say, 30-50 years, with roots of their political & historical literature going back to the 1850s.
And, with a negligible differing part, their published significant papers, books, studies .. of anything dealing with Croats is simply- lunatic. Sure, there shine a few exceptions, but they are marginal- and more, they are colored with Yugoslav sentiment.
So, the fields that matter are what they write & learn from: historiography, history of culture, religion, language, literature, art, politics, sociology … as well as newer areas like ethno-psychology or older ones, but with new interpretations in archaeology and anthropology.
I don’t quite know what they’ve written about Albanians (with a few exceptions) & Macedonians, but they seem to be obsessed with Croats re. their own self-identity & national being, and to a lesser extent with Bosnian Muslims.
Perhaps this is a condition they share with all other non-Western peoples, I don’t know (this sounds like a “cultural racism”). Just, through my communication both with their “lower” and “higher” mental strata of the intellectual spectrum, I’ve always encountered dreary old same stuff.
Even when they try to comprehend something outside of what they’ve been taught, they fail. They fall into the trap of mythic thinking, fantasies of self-importance, a cartoon-like interpretation of history etc. Also, even their brightest minds in the pentagram history- language-literature-culture-ethnogeny cannot escape “eastern” irrationality. Their knowledge about Croats is extremely superficial, even when not inimical.
What is good, in my opinion, is that their mental ejaculations cannot pass the critical- empirical mental litmus of the modern world, which is- despite its contraries, decadence, frequent shallowness, tendentiousness, …. set high enough so that they can’t get away with shenanigans as they did decades ago, perhaps a century & a half.
We have known about the Croats and their genocide for a long time. But all this is actually a mirror of the West. They are not bothered by it at all, nor do they see the monstrous nature of the Croats. On the other hand, we see the unprecedented Serbophobia towards the people who have experienced countless genocides over the past several thousand years, both here and in other threads.
Unfortunately, we do not have an author here, at UNZ, who would deal with Serbophobia, which is much older than anti-Semitism. Serbophobia is welcomed and encouraged by the West, while anti-Semitism is persecuted by the political West and the largest aggressive army in the world, for which this is the only reason for its existence.
Be as it may, this is how new nations are created and how nations were created in the past. Most of them were created by breaking up from some other. This is living history and, like it or not, we are privileged to be observing it in our lifetime. And thank God it’s not the end of history as some idiot in the 1990s had hoped. In the future yet more new nations could be created, and not just from the Serbs. The question is can this be reversed? We’ll have to watch if, when Russia takes over most or all of the Ukraine, it will be able to bring the Ukrainians back into the Russian fold or not. On the other hand, some nations, like the Kurds, still don’t have their own state.
Some readers simply cannot understand some things and get out of the stereotypes they have so far. This is not about this or that policy, about turning the face of Janus, about selling weapons to Ukros, etc. Here is a naked mafia that was brought to power by the West and received a mandate from it to ruthlessly rob its own people, commit political murders.
Overnight, 47 billionaires were suddenly created in a country the size of Serbia. The mafia and its boss have no choice, the West has all the information about them and their actions (the recipe from the Protocols) so there is nothing they will not do, with high treason being the least they are capable of doing.
I have the impression that there is a complete misunderstanding of the student uprising here and that Vučić’s narrative about the so-called coloured revolution has been accepted. The role of the Russian authorities in everything is shameful, from today to tomorrow, and without any strategic depth, while they are even willing to ignore the mafia arms sales to Ukros, which is already known to everyone.
Balija coming to the rescue of the ustasha, who’d have expected? Do we Serbs look into your yard? No we don’t? Do we Serbs stay on the lookout for everything written about you on the Internet and then spew our hatred of you in the comments sections? No, we don’t? Do you stay on the lookout for everything written about us on the Internet and then spew your hatred of us in comments section? Yes, you do. Why are you so obsessively hateful of us? Have we slaughtered between 400000 and 700000 Croats and Muslims during WW2? No, we haven’t. Have you slaughtered between 400000 and 700000 Serbs during WW2? Yes, you have. Have we returned the favour? No, we haven’t. Have you expelled over a million Serbs from their homes in the 1990s? Yes, you have. Have we expelled a million of you from their homes during the 1990s? Well, we have expelled some of you to separate ourselves from you at last but we fell far short of that number. How many people that you have expelled were allowed to return to their homes? Compared to how many people that we have expelled have returned to their homes? If they asked me, I would have made a hell of the lives of those of you who returned b/c you people are the most disgusting human genetic waste on planet Earth.
But things are what they are and as far as we are concerned, we don’t give a damn whether you exist or not. We don’t give a sh*t for you. We will never forget nor forgive you what you have done to us but we do not obsess over it, we do not obsess over you, we have moved on. Obviously, you haven’t. The obvious and humane solution to avoid any further bloodshed is that each of us stay in his own yard. Obviously, it isn’t a solution to your liking. There is no point in arguing with mentally ill people because they are impervious to logic and facts. Obviously, you are mentally ill people.
One of those Serbian weapons plants supplying the Ukrainian armed forces was rocked by an explosion.
https://en.topwar.ru/265454-v-serbii-proizoshel-vzryv-na-zavode-proizvodjaschem-boepripasy-dlja-vsu.html
Question for Diana: are all the people of the world supposed to give up protest and revolutions … because they may be colour revolutions, and NGOs and foreign agents may get involved in them?
As I wrote in response to the resident Turk, there’s no point in arguing with mentally ill people, they are impervious to logic and facts. Their lives would have no purpose if they didn’t hate us. They are mentally ill people.
The ones adjacent are, with the exception of the Poles, not Slavs.
This phenomenon of being friendlier with peoples who are a bit further away is quite common. Poles and Hungarians are proverbially supposed to be friends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_and_Hungarian_brothers_be
Interestingly there is no particular tradition of Polish-Czech or Polish-Slovak friendship, even though they are all West Slavs and even the languages are somewhat mutually comprehensible.
You are showing the effects of years of molestation by your local priest (successor of Christ – lol), to whom you were slavishly obedient when you were an altar boy. Now you not only have chronic problems with sitting, but he also seems to have fcuked you in the brain, which is why you have remained a masochistic moron.
Just keep up the same pace with Kaldian and soon the table in #84 will be seen by 100K readers.
The Serbs have good reason to be proud of their history.
They were the first Balkan people to fight for, and win, their independence from the Ottoman Empire.
The Ottoman Empire was, by far, the most evil empire which ever existed.
All of humanity owes the Serbs a debt of gratitude for their brave fight against the Ottomans.
The Jews, on the other hand, to their eternal shame, collaborated extensively with the Ottomans.
Vuk Branković.
Mara Branković nursed Mehmed Pasha II the conqueror of Constantinople.
The Servs committed treason against Christianity, becoming the Ottomans’ most favored VASSALS (you dumb motherfucker).
The CROATS fought them for 500 years.
“Stefan Nemanja was christened in the LATIN rite.”
— Vladimir Ćorović
Servia’s most prominent historian in his magnum opus: “The History of the Servian people.”
Shoot yourself.
Be as it may, it does not justify implementing the Ustashe programme on the Serbs (everything Croat comes in threes, eh): kill a third, expel a third and convert a third, or pretending it didn’t happen after it did.