At +39 minutes Barrett brings up the point of immigration to Europe in relation to non-muslim sub-saharans and non-observant north africans being more of a problem than religious muslims.

Well, that really depends on what I am worrying about.

If I worry about street crime and various forms of obnoxious behaviour Barrett is obviously right.

On the other hand: If I worry (and I do…a lot) about groups eventually taking over my homeland and replacing norwegians then it is logical to see muslim immigration as particularly dangerous.

Islam is a strong religious and cultural force, muslims tend to stick together against outside pressure and open apostasy is rare, therefore I fear that the multi-cultural Norway of today will be replaced by (more or less) monocultural Islam in the future.

Barrett would obviously welcome Europe «accepting» and «embracing» Islam and consider it a great leap in humanity’s progress but I disagree, I fear it…whether by immigration or conversion.

I guess much of this is being discussed below MacDonald’s article. But since I haven’t read that article but did listen to this podcast, I’ll post my 2cents here.

I think professor MacDonald misuses the term “universalism” and grossly overstates the West’s penchant for it. Kant developed the “categorical imperative” and the US Constitution established the equality of all men, but neither were applied in practice or really meant what it stated. The Western world outlawed slavery, but slavery was outlawed many times in the course of human history.

Generally, Western universalism is conditional and implicitly exists in the context of religion, culture, and arguably race. It does not apply for those deemed the other, although the moral imperative for greater fairness needles the conscience of good men.

Equality in the Constitution, of course, also did not literally mean all men, but white male landowners.

If a crown were to be awarded for the most universalist ethical system, it would probably have to go to the Confucians. In the spiritual and religious realm, the prize goes to the Buddhists. That doesn’t mean that Confucians and Buddhists are practicing universalists, but the underlying creed dictates that they ought to be so.

Universalism should be always and everywhere good, but MacDonald suggests that it’s not always so because it can be used to deracinate a people. But is that universalism or something else? I think he describes something else in the vein of communism, globalism, or even neoconservatism.

Some versions of communism seem to believe that the traditional family is regressive and feudal, and loving your family more than the neighbors stinks of bourgeois affections.

Globalism is the ideology of a borderless world deracinated of indigenous people, indigenous cultures, indigenous societies, and national sovereignty.

Neoconservatism is a form of hyper cultural chauvinism married to globalism based on a communist ethos rebranded as right-wing conservatism backed by a powerful army.

But “universalism” is none of those things.

Universalism is simply objective moral fairness and logical consistency universally applied. Universalism does not teach that you cannot prefer your in-group over the out-group, but only that you should be objective, logical and morally consistent.

I don’t think universalism is antagonistic towards ethnocentrism, patriotism, nationalism, or love for family, assuming a benign understanding of these terms. Jewish in-group preference is not really the problem. The Amish also have in-group preference. Jewish psychopathy is the problem. Jewish pathological ethnocentrism is the problem.

I think mass immigration is inherently disruptive and inimical to indigenous society. It doesn’t matter how nice the people are. Except for extraordinary circumstances, it should be avoided. And even under extraordinary circumstances, the migrants should be identified and eventually returned to their countries of origin.

Immigration should be viewed with the next 100 years in mind. Short term economic gains are not sufficient.

I don’t know about anyone else reading here, but I’m not about to face Mecca and pray 5 times a day. I wonder how many Muslims actually spend so much time doing that.

Have you ever interviewed Alison Weir, Kevin? She can help you understand that much of the body count that Noam Chomsky lays at the feet of Christian Universalist America was driven by Jewish supremacist tribal interests since WWI. (I suspect Chomsky was well aware of his deception. He even tried to pin the crimes of Zionism on the US! He has some serious Chutzpuh, maybe something to do with his relationships with Jeffrey Epstein and Ehud Barak.) Also, I tend to agree with E Michael Jones that Americans who have left their faith are essentially operating on Jewish values – materialism, vengeance, shunning behavior, sexual liberation, selfishness, truth is situational… And that European institutions in the US and Norway are rooted in Catholicism, not Islam. Can’t really just swap it out. But those who rule us have demonized our Catholic faith along with our history. I suspect you as well have internalized the commands of our oppressors, Kevin, and you should work to undo the anti-Catholic programming you have been subjected to by both the WASPs and, for long since before we were born, the Jews. One book worth reading encapsulating quite a bit in a short space is Rodney Stark’s “Bearing False Witness” about various slanders of the Catholic Church. You will not regret reading it based on his first chapter alone which likely led him, a Protestant himself, to take on the task. He was recruited as a green grad student in history to help make the case of anti-Semitism against the Catholic Church at Vatican II for the ADL! I won’t beg you to come home to the Roman Catholic Church since you converted to Islam as part of your marriage agreement, but I think you should stop calling other Westerners away from the heritage our forebears preserved for us. Break ranks with the Jews who want us to adopt any religion but the version of Christianity with deep theological roots protecting it from the Zionist heresy, Roman Catholicism. In the West, Christ is King. And in the West, His Church is The Roman Catholic Church. OK, probably too hard a sell, but perhaps you will just consider anyhow. God protect you regardless! God Bless!

Jewish in-group preference is not really the problem. The Amish also have in-group preference. Jewish psychopathy is the problem. Jewish pathological ethnocentrism is the problem.

You will not receive a reply from Kevin MacDonald because he wishes to claim that he has advanced a novel theoretical concept: the group evolutionary strategy. As your reference to the Amish indicates, all endogamous groups, whether they experience desertions (boiling off) or not, prefer their in-group; this is simply tribalism. Jews have developed tribalism to a higher degree than perhaps any other group, but tribalism per se is not the problem.

Again as you point out, Jewish psychology is the cause of Jewish economic, societal, and physical attacks on other ethnic groups. Sociopathy is more common among Jews, especially the Ashkenazim, than among other ethnic groups. MacDonald refuses to engage with that fact. Mr. Unz, I, and others have argued that sociopathy directed at other ethnicities is an evolved feature of Ashkenazi psychology. Parental sexual selection of the most economically successful, the success due to sociopathic economic behavior, suitors of their daughters was the causal driver of an increase in genetically-based sociopathy among the Ashkenazim.

Who is Allah ?

https://soerenkern.com/web/2007/08/23/who-is-allah/

Thanks. I didn’t know that MacDonald pushes back against the idea that there’s more to it than just “hyper ethnocentrism.” Even Ron Unz seems to believe that there’s a level of sociopathy involved.

Very true. I think there are many similarities to prayer and meditation and the benefits from it. Modern psychology and self-help often speak to cultivating gratitude and thanks, and prayer is chock-full of it.

I think Protestantism lost something important when they gave up ritual and mantra type prayers which still exists in Catholicism. Ritual, repetition, that place of sacrality, and practices that help us drop the egoic mind… these things are important in spiritual practice and personal development because they work through the unconscious.

Kevin, I think you may have mentioned that you used to meditate (eastern style)? Your words suggest you write from experience. I’m curious, do the prayers and other things you practice as a Muslim also help to evoke similar states of “deep grounding” and “egoic dissolution”? (I think you effectively answered yes.) Do other adherents to orthodox Islam (excluding Sufis) who practice daily also testify to that as well?

OK. Your interview on her book “Against Our Better Judgement” didn’t get into as much detail as the later part of her talk here:

Video Link

So did the universalists create the America First movement against entering WWI or was it the universalists who crushed that movement with unconstitutional, deceptive means in order to get the Balfour declaration and be in a position to shape the treaty of Versailles such that it led to WWII and the creation of the state of Israel? Should the universalists be blamed for those devastating body counts? Blame isn’t the most important point, of course. But truth is what I hope we can all agree to be going for. It is in that spirit I raise these points.

You are entitled to your opinions, but if you have not had the chance to re-examine the fraudulent, Jewish version of American history championed by Jewish tribalist leftists like Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky that we were steeped in in American universities, then you may not be able to have an accurate picture of Christianity or its role in The West.

These breathless pro-genocide Letters to the Editor by obvious Jewish names in obviously Jewish locales slay me. Do they not know that the goyim now know? They think we view them as the guy standing up to speak in the Four Freedoms painting, lol.

MacDonald doesn’t push back. He simply will not discuss Jewish sociopathy, which is very strange given that he is a psychologist who is aware of the instruments with which to measure sociopathy and of experimental methods to test for sociopathic behaviors. One would think that he would be interested in at least advocating for research to determine the frequency of sociopathy (in all of its subtypes) among an array of ethnic groups.

The only such frequency data were compiled by Richard Lynn (Race Differences in Psychopathic Personality). For Jews, Lynn had only some Israeli data that did not separate Ashkenazim from other Jewish geographic isolates. Methodologically, Lynn used data on the frequencies of various anti-social behaviors, rather than data acquired from psychological instruments.

I would love to see Kevin “Thee Muslim” Barrett debate Sam Harris, and have his cunt handed to him.

You retards spend all your time trying to figure out the ‘jewish question’, when the reality is that Islam is BY FAR the greatest threat to humanity, and it’s not even close.

Of course, there are only 15 million jews in the world, and nearly 2 Billion Muslims. There are more muslims in fucking Mali than there are jews in the entire world. And that’s why they’re an easy target for you morons. Try railing against the so-called ‘prophet’ and see what happens.

Fucking cowards.

The thing that strikes me most about Jewish ethics is that so many of them believe in collective and inherited guilt. That’s why they’re OK with murdering tens of thousands of Palestinians to revenge the death of a few hundreds of their own — they’re ALL guilty! Even Walter Block, a libertarian I used to respect, went all “collective punishment” on the Gaza issue. Jewish, of course. And of course this is why they keep bringing up the “Christ killer” strawman and why they consider it the worst sort of anti-Semitism, because by their reckoning, that guilt goes on forever for all succeeding generations. What rot!

oh, so Muslims dominate the US Federal Reserve, blackmail of government officials, Hollywood, Universities, the porn industry, internet and media censorship, news media production and the pushes for gay marriage and abortion? Muslims led the Soviet Revolution that slaughtered millions of Christians? And the Muslims knew to make all those put options on 9/11? How did Muslims get in charge of US foreign policy to wage war on Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, all of Israel’s rivals? And Muslims torpedoed and strafed the life rafts of the USS Liberty, right? Thanks for setting me straight from your air conditioned cubicle during your IDF unit 8200 shift today.

I don’t think Sam Harris has ever actually won a debate. Every time he has a majorly publicized debate with someone with whom he disagrees, the overall takeaway from the event is that Sam Harris is a cringey douche with poor reasoning faculties, engaging in motivated reasoning and ostentatious public pants-wetting about some topic important to secular Jews. He’s not capable of winning a debate and it’s almost entirely attributable to his being the Platonic ideal of a smug Jew pest. Sending Sam Harris to debate your opponents is literally shooting yourself in the foot, the guy simply does not win debates.

As your reference to the Amish indicates, all endogamous groups, whether they experience desertions (boiling off) or not, prefer their in-group; this is simply tribalism.

I live in an area where there is a large Mennonite population, some still living in colonies. The Amish are a Mennonite sect. It was not unusual for Mennonite colonies to hire Jews to deal with their financial matters. Mennonites may be endogamous, but they have an affinity for Jews. Their non-colony, more secularized towns are highly successful because they believe in keeping money in circulation at low interest. Those towns have attracted many non-Mennonites, but not many Jews.

I agree with your sentiments. When you talk about Christianity before the wife killer Henry VIII, you are talking about Catholicism. Ironically, the fathers and grandfathers of all the Henry VIII victims were Catholics, killed by the movement/believe based on the trivial self-interest.

Don’t fear. Fight it, because it will now take total war to stop these invading hordes and their jew underwriting enablers. That’s reality son.

next 1000 years!

Sam Harris jumped the shark. He’s not a serious intellectual. He’s said too many things to sink himself. Ditto Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, though Shapiro was never a serious intellectual.

I think Shapiro belongs to that category of the new “social media intelligentsia” that include popular online personalities like Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, Destiny, Tim Pool, Steven Crowder, Charlie Kirk, Laura Loomer and others that appeal to the GenZ and Millennial crowd and lean young, right, dissident and disaffected.

There may be 2B Muslims and 15M Jews, but it’s not the quantity that creates the threat. Obviously.

Sam “the Cunt” Harris the Zio Jew pretend Atheist.
A complete waffler who tries to pull the wool over people’s eyes with his so called “intellect”.

Sam Harris’s Fairy-Tale Account of the Israel-Hamas Conflict.

By Eric Levitz.

Sam Harris is among America’s most prominent critics of fundamentalist thinking. The “new atheist” podcaster, meditation guru, and erstwhile neuroscientist has written multiple books lamenting the destructive power of religious certainty in general and Islamism in particular.

There are admirable aspects to Harris’s work. I’ve found his meditations on free will and the nature of consciousness stimulating. And I share his conviction that unsparing criticism of repressive, antifeminist theologies should take precedence over concerns for multiculturalism.

Yet on questions of foreign policy, Harris’s thinking can become nearly as dogmatic and blinkered as that of the religious zealots he’s dedicated himself to discrediting.

This was especially apparent on a recent episode of his podcast titled “The Bright Line Between Good and Evil.” Over the course of an hour, Harris laid out his views on Israel and why its present war with Hamas must be understood as a battle between “savagery and civilization.”……

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/11/sam-harriss-fairy-tale-account-of-the-israel-hamas-conflict.html

Sam Harris jumped the shark. He’s not a serious intellectual. He’s said too many things to sink himself.

I suppose we could argue about whether he’s a ‘serious intellectual’, whatever that means, but ultimately that’s an opinion, and it’s not relevant to the discussion.

What’s not an opinion, at least as far as I can tell, is his assessment of the Islamist/Jihadi threat.

White nationalists like to invoke the Protocols and/or the Talmud in order to attempt to understand jewish motives, but that’s just a bunch of intellectually dishonest nonsense. The Protocols are an obvious fraud, and the Talmud is completely irrelevant to most of the world’s most powerful jews.

The Koran, on the other hand, is an all-too-real handbook for how fundamentalist Muslims hope to organize the world. In a nutshell, the ultimate goal is a theocratic caliphate, and the means of achieving it are violence and mayhem.

Say what you will about the jews, but I’ve never heard of a jew strapping a bomb to a child and blowing it up in a crowded marketplace, with full confidence that the child will end up in paradise.

Fundamentalist Islam is absolutely incompatible with modern civilization.

And contrary to your quantity v. quality remark, the numbers matter. Islam is the fastest-growing religion on earth, and if we (meaning the civilized world) don’t figure out how to mitigate it, we are going to be up shit creek without a paddle.

The problem is that you think the jews want you dead, but the Muslims actually do, and they’ve got the numbers and resources to make it a reality.

Your problem is that you’ve bought into the retarded idea that jews control the US and the world.

Jews do not control the US. Money control the US.

Do jews have money? Of course. But they are one of innumerable interest groups with money, not the least of which is Saudi Arabia.

Believe it or not, one of the main driving forces behind the pro-Palestinian protests is the fact that the Saudis have been funding Islamic studies departments at major US universities for decades. Those kids are utterly brainwashed.

And, of course, there’s the business community. The food lobby, pharma lobby, arms lobby, realtor lobby, and on and on.

Now, if you hate jews as much as many here on TUR do, it’s basically the old chestnut: if all you’ve got is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

And incidentally, that jew money is utterly inconsequential without the support of the true power in the US–Evangelical Christianity. The Evangelicals need the jews in Israel in order for magic Jesus to make his triumphant return, which is why the US is unwavering in its support of Israel, and for that matter, why Israel was created in the first place.

Israel’s existence is much more a function of British Evangelicals’ agenda than it is the aspirations for a jew homeland.

Sounds like my Day Dreaming of old. My primary school teachers would accuse me of that.

Mainstream Jews may not read the Talmud and they may not read the protocols, but they never repudiate them either, and they never repudiate the rabbis who do read the Talmud and set the Jewish agenda. Thus your analysis fails. When I say that they never repudiate the protocols I mean that they never repudiate the ideas expressed therein.

Muslims don’t want you dead. They want you to stop killing them.

The gaslighting is a nostalgic throwback. It’s as if you fell into a coma circa 2003 and woke up yesterday.

Sam is an intellectual clusterf***. It’s morally execrable that he uses meditation and spirituality to lure people into his orbit where Christianity is the repeat object of slander and hypothetical scenarios of nuking Muslim countries are concocted and morally justified.

And he tells us that while Judaism and Israel are imperfect, they’re less imperfect than the rest. (Of course)

It’s nice that the author takes on Sam Harris, but the Talmudic level parsing of the morality of Hamas in order to find the perfect balance of blame, innocence and guilt for each side is tiresome.

But as Dr. Barrett well knows, they are praying five times a day in the wrong direction, but let’s not worry about that. Allah resides in all directions it is said. Let us hope that his well-meaning attempt to convert the Musloon hordes to directionless meditative practice is successfull!

makes one wonder if a swung chicken would absolve us in the eyes of the jews

pS. maybe that’s why the space lasers set chicken farms on fire

From an evolutionary perspective, might it be possible that after the destruction of Jewish society under Roman occupation, the following diaspora with persecutions and pogroms in Europe that culminated in the Holocaust, created over a period of 2000 years certain behavioral traits?

What happens when one combines traits of religious supremacism with traits of constant fear of persecution? I think over two millennia it is possible there will be inherited changes in behavior.

Judaism never had a reformation. It is rigidly anchored in religious doctrines from 2500 years ago in which religion and state are one. The Torah (Old Testament) is supplemented by the Talmud, the legal foundation of the theocracy that interprets the Torah.

The zio-fascists ruling the country today have politicized religion in order to justify their actions. They think they are on a mission from God. There are others that tried that and it ended is disaster.

You will not get a response from him Kevin.
Him and others of his ilk only debate those that they choose.

ITS HEATING UP

OMG – There's thousands of them jumping up and down next to Al-Aqsa mosque at the western wall.

They're all performing Talmudic rituals.

“Jerusalem unification day” aka the day they Occupied Jerusalem and became illegal settlers. pic.twitter.com/Fe2gq9kJaY

— Khalissee (@Kahlissee) June 5, 2024

That’s a powerful comment.

I especially would echo the part about how East Asian cultures had decently universal ethics in Confucianism and Bhuddism. I am interested in both systems. I hope that future generations of caucasians will be more knowledgeable about these things than people of KMac’s generation.

I think it will with the rise of the East.

Confucianism is often criticized for being hierarchical and patriarchal, but one ought to remember that Confucianism has no dogma. Confucianism adapts to the exigencies and wisdom of the times with the view to the human good.

It’s natural that Confucianism in feudal times should be expressed in a feudal way, just as Confucianism in modern form should be expressed differently from its pre-modern past.

Confucianism is both universalist and humanist, and preceded the Western Enlightenment by a thousand years. I don’t think it gets the acknowledgment it deserves and often unfairly dismissed as something rigid and anachronistic.