Thanks for making this informative conversation available. I know of a health care worker who tested positive for Covid shortly after being vaccinated against it. Weirdly, this woman claimed to have come down with Covid months prior to getting her jab, which seems it would have made the vaccine a redundancy IF the goal was immunity. She’s 35, mother of 3 daughters. Last time I saw her a week ago, she was by herself outside wearing a mask in California on the sidewalk in front of her apartment. One of her daughters was unable to start kindergarten because of Covid. Even her toddler has been encouraged to wear a mask.

Kinda unrelated and off-the-wall question. In one of your older TJ episodes, the topic of human consciousness and the soul came up. I can’t quite describe it well at the moment, but the conversation went a little something like this: You were trying to explain to your guest that the human soul indeed exists and that its existence can even be proven by science. You go on to reference a researcher in cognitive neurobiology (??) and her book, and you explain that research shows that human thought cannot merely arise from the neurons and the interaction of synapses in the brain, that something happens on the subatomic level, which is what initiates the firing of the neurons & synapses in the first place. And as you suggest, what else could this be but the soul/consciousness?

Does this trigger any recollection of anything that broadly follows the contours of what I’m talking about? I would really like to look up the book and read it (and also listen to the original TJ episode again, if you remember it).

Also:

The author was a woman, I believe.

Yup. Some of those phenomena have been overstated or misused by hucksters. But real neurology now agrees that conscious thought CAN have external effects. It’s not mysterious. Electromagnetic waves produced by the brain can obviously be shaped by external waves, and can actively influence external waves. The brain is an infinitely complex set of resonances and harmonies, not a mechanical computer.

I agree that “virology” is a somewhat difficult subject.

Bt I think the current crisis is not only about virology but more about *medicine*. And there are some basic logical steps, anyone can think through.

First, I think it is important to differentiate between the supposed disease “CoVid-19” and the supposed pathogenic agent “SARS-CoV-2”.

The supposedly new disease:

“CoVid-19” is supposed to be a new syndrome. That means that certain symptoms of illness are associated with that syndrome. Those are general symptoms of respiratory diseases like cough, fever, pneumonia etc.

Without those particular symptoms one has no “CoVid-19”. Thus the so called “asymptomatic carriers” do *not* have CoVid-19.

This is often mislabelled. Particularly the so called “confirmed cases of CoViD-19” are not cases of CoViD-19 at all, but are people with positive PCR test results, no matter if they have any symptoms. The numbers may even just be the number of positive PCR test results (i.e. one person can have multiple test results if they are tested repeatedly).

Without symptoms described in the syndrome definition of CoVid-19 one is not even a “suspect case” and there is nothing to confirm.

Differential diagnosis?:

If one *has* cough of fever of even a pneumonia one is a “suspect case” of CoVid-19. So how is determined whether one really has “CoVid-19”? A PCR test is taken and if the result is positive this is taken as a confirmation of “CoVid-19“?

But is that a valid diagnosis? How do we know that SARS-CoV-2 is the culprit. The person could carry other pathogenic agents like flu virus, other types of viruses or bacteria. Is that tested for?

The supposed pathogenic agent:

“SARS-CoV-2” supposedly is a new type of Corona virus. It is allegedly the cause of “CoVid-19”. But it is unclear how this is determined. How do we know if „SARS-CoV-2“ causes respiratory symptoms if there are “asymptomatic carriers”, i.e. people how are thought to carry “SARS-CoV-2” and have no symptoms?

Has “SARS-CoV-2” been isolated from patients in the US or in Europe and been purified and multiplied in culture? Could “the disease” be evoked with the cultivated virus?

And do we know that “SARS-CoV-2” causes particularly bad symptoms? If so how do we know?
Or do we know that “SARS-CoV-2” is particularly transmissible? If so how do we know?

The supposed test for “SARS-CoV-2”:

If we believe that there really is a new type of Corona virus that can be identified and we can call is “SARS-Cov-2” and if we believe that it is a pathogenic agent that causes, at least in some cases i.e. with certains co-factors, respiratory symptoms:

how can we detect the virus?

The “gold standard” would be isolation from a swab, purification and multiplication in culture. Then we should be able to detect the virus under electron microscope and we should be able to analyse its chemistry.

But this is not done so often (if at all?) it seems. Instead a so called PCR test is used. PCR is a method to duplicate pieces of RNA (the type of biomolecule in which we assume the genetic code of the virus is stored).

Let us suppose the PCR method works as expected. It is supposed to multiply pieces of RNA up to a point where they can detected. One “cycle” in PCR means one duplication of the RNA the test is designed to multiply. So 30 cycles would be 30 duplications i.e. 2^30 or about 1 billion copies.

Let us further suppose that we really know the genetic code of “SARS-CoV-2”. (How do we know? That is a whole topic in itself.)

The “tests” do not search for the whole genome of “SARS-CoV-2”, they search for tiny subparts of the genetic code. We could say they search for some genes.

Figuratively if SARS-CoV-2 were a car the tests would search for a sidemirror, a door handle, a piece of the windscreen or something like that.

There are a lot of those “SARS-CoV-2” PCR tests. They are not standardized. They all look for different parts of the viral RNA, i.e. they look for different genes. Some tests look for mirrors, some look for trunks, some look for windshields (figuratively speaking).

Also it is not standardized for how many genes the tests look, nor is it standardized how many dupication cycles are used in order to get a positive test result.

And AFAIK there is no control whatsoever how reliably those countless PCR tests configurations really detect “SARS-CoV-2”.

One would expect that some patients or “asymptomatic” (i.e. healthy) people with a positive test result would serve a control. One could take swabs from those people, and the virus could be isolated, purified and multipied so that we know how many people tested positive *really have the virus*.

But I have not heard of such a procedure being performed. I do not know of any identifiable PCR test configuration for SARS-CoV-2 that has any real false positive rate, i.e. a statistical comparison of positive test result and virus isolation.

I think those fundamental questions about “SARS-CoV-2” and “CoVid-19” should be considered before taking “confirmed Covid case” numbers or even “Covid death” numbers at face value.

The numbers may even just be the number of positive PCR test results (i.e. one person can have multiple test results if they are tested repeatedly).

I’ve heard that this was done in many countries: people who tested twice and got two positives, were considered as “two Covid cases”.

Has “SARS-CoV-2” been isolated from patients in the US or in Europe and been purified and multiplied in culture? Could “the disease” be evoked with the cultivated virus?

As far as I know, never. For SARS-COVID-1, they supposedly did a study where they isolated the virus and passed it onto monkeys, making hem sick, but the reality was that it hadn’t actually been isolated properly.

Also, they never got a good vaccine for COVID-1, and, worse:

“Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus”

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421

This for the old vaccine for Covid-1, how about the new one for Covid-2 or “19”?

I have always really liked Kevin Barretts take on things…………..but I find him disappointing here. His guest has many great points but Kevin basically does not know enough about biology to conduct a meaningful interview. That might sound harsh but that’s the way I see it.

BTW it seems flu is diagnosed by using the PCR test. And so it seems are many other viruses. Trouble is PCR tends to give you what you are looking for as the late John Magufuli in Tanzania showed to great and even comic effect. In that way PCR can be and has been ‘weaponized’ to give the results the people in power want

I would suggest that Kevin check out Dr Tom Cowan, Dr Kaufman, Amandha Vollmer , Dr Stefan Lanka Janine Roberts, Arthur Firstenberg etc to get a better basic understanding of even what a virus is………………..otherwise he will be away with the faeries and gullible for Ron Unz catastrophising about the deaths from Covid. As for Mr Unz this kind of stuff reminds me of ‘holocaust talk’. Something he can’t seem to get away from in spite of his best efforts

Has “SARS-CoV-2” been isolated from patients in the US or in Europe and been purified and multiplied in culture? Could “the disease” be evoked with the cultivated virus?

I don’t know if cultivated viruses have been shown to be infectious.

But yes, the virus has been purified, cultivated, imaged with electronic microscopy and sequenced.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7036342/

https://jvi.asm.org/content/94/11/e00543-20

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html

https://www.pasteur.fr/fr/espace-presse/documents-presse/institut-pasteur-isole-souches-du-coronavirus-2019-ncov-detecte-france (sorry, last one in French)

Stephane:

yes, the virus has been purified, cultivated, imaged with electronic microscopy and sequenced

That statement is total Bullshit.

If you really believe that nonsense Stephane, then surely you will be willing to prove it:

fightbackmt.org is offering a $5,000.00 reward for irrefutably proving that a novel corona virus named – SARS-CoV-2 – has in fact been conclusively proven to actually exist.

https://gab.com/FightBackMontana

Lots of good questions there Paul2. As far as this statement:

I think those fundamental questions about “SARS-CoV-2” and “CoVid-19” should be considered before taking “confirmed Covid case” numbers or even “Covid death” numbers at face value.

May I suggest the latest interview with Dr. Andrew Kaufman:

Video Link

He not only considers your statements and more, he utterly destroys Stephane’s bogus claims.

Kevin Barrett:

Nor have various COVID skeptics convinced me that COVID is vastly less than it appears.

Why not start with accepting the inconvenient fact that SARS-CoV-2 has never been proven to actually exist?

The way I understand them, the objections raised in that challenge are applicable to about any viral cultivation and isolation done by anybody anywhere since the beginning of virology, and the standard it set in defining “isolation” is basically unreachable.

So let’s agree to disagree and keep it at that.

That’s a very honest reply and again I give you much credit for that. At the same time since this is the arena we are now playing I think it would do no harm at all to bone up a bit. The authors I mention will take you into a much clearer and rational world than we are getting from the Government and it’s allies. Of course one problem with this psy-op is unlike 9/11 where we can at least see a lot of what happened here we are dealing with the ‘invisible’ A virus is about a BILLIONTH the size of a typical call and is NOT ‘alive’………………how dangerous can that be?

The truth is it is not dangerous at all and this story is rank deception on all counts. The virus is not ‘lethal’ viruses to the extent they exist are products of our own cells and are not some outside force out to get us. So like 9/11 itself this is an ‘inside job’ but blamed on an external enemy. The story that 9/11 was hatched from a cave in Afghanistan is matched by the notion that this bat virus sprung from a wet market in Wuhan. But a good grasp of biology from the right sources will give you a foundation that will make a lot of this confusion clearer. I would start with “Fear of the Invisible” by Janine Roberts and go on from there.

Firstenberg’s book was interesting in that he shows the idea of flu being ‘contagious’ is quite wrong and the same applies to Covid.

I agree with what you say……….but that raises an even more troubling issue, i.e. the WHOLE of ‘virology’ is not on solid foundations. And this is a big part of the problem. This is where Stefan Lanka can elucidate a lot

http://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/wissenschafftplus-the-virus-misconception-part-1.pdf

http://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/wissenschafftplus-the-virus-misconception-part-2.pdf

Stephane:

…the standard it set in defining “isolation” is basically unreachable.

So let’s agree to disagree and keep it at that.

Yet another total bullshit response from Stephane.

Stephane, you said in your previous post:

yes, the virus has been purified, cultivated, imaged with electronic microscopy and sequenced

Stephane is is now talking out of both sides of her mouth and trying to cover up her first bullshit statement with another bullshit statement, which can easily be demonstrated with a few simple questions.

Let’s start with this one:

Stpehane, is it – True. – or – False. – that SARS-CoV-2 is alleged to be a complete, singular, visible, tangible, isolable, identifiable, characterizable, literal autonomous physical entity that has been scientifically authenticated via electron microscopy and genomic sequencing – ??

True. or False. Stephane?

Maybe Dr Mike Yeadon should be invited to talk about his concerns about “the jab”.

Here is a very interesting and also frightening interview in which Yeadon talks about the possible hidden agenda behind the current campaign:

JamesDelingpole Published March 31, 2021

Dr Mike Yeadon, former CSO and VP, Allergy and Respiratory Research Head with Pfizer Global R&D and co-Founder of Ziarco Pharma Ltd, talks about his grave concerns about the Coronavirus jab

https://rumble.com/vf8fz5-dr-mike-yeadon.html