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The last week saw Europe very publicly humiliated by the US – Vance lectured them that Europe’s biggest enemy is not Russia, but the anti-democratic European governments; Hegseth told them to take care of their own defence rather than counting on US largess; Trump made it clear Europe is not welcome at the negotiation table with Putin in Saudi Arabia.
The Europeans are huddling for warmth and consolation in Paris around the kiddo table as adults talk at the grownup table.
I remember some US figure said last year “you are either at the table or on the menu”. Europe must feel on the menu now. The old colonial slavers are now the veritable serfs – god works in mysterious ways!
An opinion piece by Hans Binnendijk of Atlantic Council and Daniel Hamilton of the Brookings Institute caught my attention today. Both have done stints at the State Department and are true swamp dwellers. Their suggestions to the Europeans are revealing.
Their opinion piece is titled Spending, troops and Asia: three ideas for Europe to stabilize NATO. The recommendations are straightforward: for Europe to convince the US not to abandon them, Europeans must do three things:
1) raise defence spending to 5% GDP like Poland and the Baltic chihuahua states have committed to. Basically bribery to US military industrial complex.
2) organize a “coalition of the willing” (we have heard this phrase before, haven’t we?) and commit European troops to a “peace-keeping” mission in Ukraine, but outside of NATO Article 5 protection and without US participation.
3) expand NATO to Asia to help US confront China. The world’s “exceptional” superpower needs all the help it can get to challenge China militarily and its lackeys must be fully mobilized and committed to defending the Don’s global dominance.
If the Europeans act on these sage advice, there might just be a sliver of hope the Don will change his mind about bringing the Europeans to the adult table.
This must be music to the ears for the hapless European leaders (including little Brits, the non-Europe Europeans). What can go wrong?
– Giving more money to Lockheed Martin and co. at the expense of heating homes or providing healthcare to their own citizens. It’s a no-brainer. Poland and Lithuania are all for it. Why should the Germans, French, Italians and Hungarians think any differently?
– Deploying troops to the Ukraine Russia frontline sounds perfectly reasonable. Aren’t there already an international legion fighting for Ukrainian democracy and freedom? Going in without the NATO Article 5 umbrella only shows European bravery and will let Putin know who is the boss.
– Bring NATO to Asia is a natural next step since expanding to the East has been a mission for 30+ years. Why not get to the end of the East in one go? This way, the Europeans can team up with its US daddy, and half brothers in Israel, Japan, South Korea, Australia and the Philippines to box in Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea in one great circle of ironwill and firepower. Finally, a showdown between democracies and the devils who won’t bend the knee. Rupture! Let’s party like 1991!
While we are at it, why stop at these three suggestions? I have more to help the Europeans retain and please its master and savior:
– Why not bring military spending to 10% GDP? 5% may be good enough to deal with the Ruskies but now we have to deal with the Persians, the Chinese and the non-slave Koreans as well. Let’s double the spend and make Lockheed really happy!
– Why not turn the whole of Romania and Czech into a giant US missile base? US missiles and tanks can be dispersed into schools and hospitals. This will really confuse the targeting of Russian hypersonic missiles and glide bombs, hence protecting valuable US hardware which are not being made in enough quantities.
– Let’s designate London, Brussels, Warsaw, Vilnius, and Paris as the cities the Russians can nuke. Since we are so civilized, let’s leave Moscow, New York, LA, and Washington alone. Mutually assured destruction of each other’s cities are for the barbarians. The Europeans, on the other hand, are dispensable.
– Let’s bring in some Brits, French, German, and Dutch troops to Taiwan as tripwires. American boys are too precious for the yellow Taiwanese. For the Europeans, either you fight the Chinese in Taiwan or fight them in Berlin and Rome. Easy choice.
If the Europeans do all of the above, I am confident the orange Don will be bigly pleased. Maybe he’ll leave behind some Forrest Gumps – after all, the retreat from Kabul in 2021 was a bit unbecoming for the “exceptional” and “indispensable” nation.
Having thousands of white Europeans cling to the outside of C-130 Hercules doesn’t play as well to the homeys watching FOX in El Paso, Texas. Brown people are more dispensable.
For those of us familiar with the movie Godfather, we know the manly way to show fealty to the Don is to chop off a few fingers. The Europeans are already on their knees before the Don, but this is not enough. Time to take out the big knife and cut off your right hand.
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Western Europe is starting to get a taste of just how unimportant they have made themselves. If they want to commit suicide by immigration Trump is telling them go ahead. We’ll get by without you. Too bad we didn’t do this 80 years ago instead of going to fight an insane war for them.
Poor Eurotards! They were all keen to get into the war that Fatmerica provoked, but Uncle Schmuely has decided to cut his losses and get out. The Eurotards are now left holding the baby. Wha! Can you imagine a more stupid elite crowd of cretins. No you can’t.
European military strength is 2,000,000 (active and ready reserves )
European military budget is $400 billion. Russia‘s is $100 billion
They are all Germans now – couldn´t happen to a nicer bunch of assholes 😖
Karma is a bitch!
america starts a war, gets humiliated, declares victory, then cuts and runs. name an “american ally” that was not thrown under the bus? yet countries continue to fall for their freedom and democracy bullshit.
oh wait a minute, there is a country that hasn’t been thrown under the bus, israel…. that has thrown the u.s. under the bus.
America INC requires enemies. Enemies require a “defense” industry.
This comment is 50+ years old:
“Yet we slink about like whipped curs:;… our self-abasement principally takes the form of subservience to the United States:;… we are under no necessity to participate in the American nightmare of a Soviet monster barely held at bay in all quarters of the globe by an inconceivable nuclear armament and by political intervention everywhere from Poland to Cambodia. It is the Americans who need us in order to act out their crazy scenario… We simply do not need to go chasing up and down after the vagaries of the next ignoramus to become President of the United States.” ~ Enoch Powell
Same sh*t, different pile today.
Regarding Mr. Hua, TS/DR, but I caught the headline. I suppose if you want to write against all things American 24/7/365-366, you can’t write anything good about Trump’47. Mr. Unz is like this too, so you’re in good company.
However, this time around, Trump is doing a lot of good for America and the American people. We’ll see if it all happens, but cutting the military, bringing it home, well down to Texas, N. Mexico, Arizona, and California, and lately his (via JD Vance) telling the Euros to handle this “Russia, Russia, Russia!” stupidity themselves have been very heartwarming moves.
I know it’s impossible for most Unz Review writers and commenters to say, but Nice job, President Trump! The NATO thing is especially cool – cause a big fracture in NATO big enough to break it. NATO should have been disbanded at the end of the Cold War, 1989-’90.
As for any wisdom on China from this sycophant, you’re much better learning from a guy who’s been there a dozen or so times. There are over 200 post that discuss China here on the Peak Stupidity blog.
agree but they’re only holding half a (tar)baby. the u.s., with solomon like wisdom, has decided to cut the baby in half and they get stuck with the rump, giving a whole new meaning to cut and run.😆😅😂🤣
Very accurate and true article on the state of European international politics. Hua brings a very large issue to attention. Self respecting national leaders that are weaker militarily and economically when shunned would normally turn to the Brics. Trump must have European leadership figured out like Israel has American leadership figured out. What a shame the western world leaders will sell all self respect and their nations out for a kickback.
It’s highly unlikely that EU states will raise defence spending to 5% of GDP and even less likely that they’ll raise a “coalition of the willing” and send troops to fight the Russians in Ukraine. As for challenging China militarily in Asia that’s not going to happen.
They’re just US house servants who have unexpectedly been put on the street. They’re completely disorientated and don’t have a clue what to do.
Suggestion: Starmer could explain to Scholtz that it was British Special Services who blew up Germany’s Nordstream pipeline and that at the time they were just following US orders – nothing personal.
Putin knows who the boss is. The European tombstone will read “They did it to themselves.” Before project Ukraine came about, I never paid much attention to Euro politics. Because of project Ukraine I paid more attention and was appalled by their so-called leadership if you can call it that. Macron was ready to send the Frogs to Ukraine until Trump pulled article 5 from the mix. Of course, Macron flips on a daily basis. The idea of sending Euro troops to Ukraine is so absurd it’s beyond ridiculous. But that’s Euro leadership in a nutshell. Speaking of stupid, Zelenski just insulted the Donald. Big, big mistake. Huge. All the little household gods are crying now, so say goodbye Zelenski, it’s time to put to sea.
It’s not so much how you spend, but what you do with what you have.
The US wildly out-spent the Afghans and the Vietnamese, but in the end it didn’t matter.
Some say European governments are American vassals. Others argue they are mere toadies. As if there is a difference. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter, because they don’t matter.
Latest news from the political Moronosphere: a nervous Duda met with Kellogg the other day, the latter supposedly promising that despite Warsaw’s worries, US troops would remain strong, on the ‘Eastern Front’. Andrzej, relieved to hear that, was then heard muttering something about a new military base, to be called Fort Trump.
The Beat Goes On.
BTW, what’s with the AP? When checking out their news feed, you get a pop up asking for donations. In order to support ‘the power of fact-based journalism’. I guess USAID checks must have bounced this month. LOL
Wow, so mighty, and still being conquered by the Third World.
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So there should be no problem for the Europeans and their jew boy overlords (maybe today but not in the old days of the past) to conquer Russia. Just ask Napoleon or Hitler. That means they don’t need us Americans and that’s good.
And which side has the battle-hardened army and proven superior armaments?
Yet America is committing suicide through immigration too, so what the fuck is Trump even talking about?
From its inception to the present, NATO has been intent on pursuing a policy of aggression
NATO Parliamentary Assembly. The body voted to cease cooperation with Russia in April 2014
‘Keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.’ Those were the words of NATO’s first Secretary General, Lord Ismay, when explaining the aims behind the new military alliance (as it was then). Simple rhetoric it may well be, but Ismay’s words seem to be of haunting significance in the world we inhabit more than half a century later. https://newcoldwar.org/history-nato-keep-russians-americans-germans/
NATO as a military alliance may have been a good idea against the communist Soviet Union after 1945, but why should we spend trillions of Dollars on a military alliance against a neighboring European country who since the break up of the Soviet Union have tried to integrate into Europe and the greater world economy. Yeltsin then Putin are both capitalist leaders who want Russia to succeed in the wider capitalist system, they have huge potential given its vast natural mineral resources and huge land mass. The United States see the NATO alliance as the cutting edge of US hegemony, think about it, it leads NATO, it insists on all other NATO states spend two and a half per cent [Trump now insisting on 5% GDP] on military spending. Then consider what an enormous amount of money that is, Germany for instance has a GDP of approx $4 Trillion dollars, the UK and France approx $3 trillion dollars each. Most of that money is spent in the US military Industrial complex with the likes of Boeing, Raytheon etc, this is all used by the MIC to ensure inter compatibility, i.e. you must spend your money in the US. Just as an example when Russia launched its Special military operation in 2022 Germany bought two fleets of US made F35 fighters.
The US use NATO to further its own hegemony projections, and uses its vassals to fund NATO’s massive expenses, whats not to like for the US in this arrangement?
The EU and UK cannot afford to fund a war on behalf of Ukraine or supply the necessary arms and finances to do it, nor should they think that any such war can be won, remember Russia considers this existential for its survival, needless to say they will use any means available to survive. The US threat to break up Russia, to dissolve Russia made by US leaders was not an idle threat.
Finally there is no evidence that Putin wants to take over the whole of Ukraine, he did say once he regretted the break up of the Soviet Union, however he followed up that remark with ” no one would be mad enough to try and recreate it” this last remark is always left out of western MSM reporting.
Whoop pee dooo…an armed forces twice as big and spending 4 times as much but still only a pipsqueak meanwhile the Don revealed last week that there are tens of millions of people on US welfare/pension rolls that don’t exist (including two and three hundred year olds)- the financial corruption of the modern West is undeniable
I have some other options for Europe, starting by toppling some tyrannical regime, starting by Rothschild owned “Britain”, then the EUSSR, and cut some heads, #twotierkeir, Macron, Vonder Leyen, Tusk, etc…
Let Europeans raze Brussels “EU” quarter to the ground and avenge decades of top down war and aggression against them by lynching the few hundred thousand leaches ‘EUSSR” bureaucrats & technocrats that suck Europe’s blood since too long.
Let the British rotten on their island anyway as nobody wants them.
Then, end the monopoly fake money called the ‘euro’, burn the Frankfurt central bank with all its banksters inside, nationalize all national central banks and go back to the Europe we know and like.
Europe started to suicide when European nations traded their sovereignty for a totalitarian imported project (from the US actually) called the ‘political union’.
When this Europe was just an economic union, everything was fine.
As soon as it started to become more and wanted more ‘integration’ (that is national disintegration and globalist control), it started to go down and become more and more the little US poodle we know today.
People like de Gaulle once told the US to go home, developed their own nuclear force, their own economy and despite countless assassination attempts propulsed their nations towards independence and dignity.
This is this Europe that people like.
For that to happen, Europeans, who for the most part are too brainwashed to even realize that the “mammoth in the room” in Brussels is the source of all their problems, will have to be back to the wall and given the bottomless corruption and criminality of their mock ‘leaders’, it might come sooner than expected by the rotten elite.
Russia might even be the trigger for liberation.
Biden’s America WAS deliberately committing national suicide thru uncontrolled immigration, but that’s been slowed to a trickle of what it was since Orange Man assumed power and started kicking ass. Deporting millions of illegals, as Trump claimed he would do, will prove to be a much harder fight. As ICE is woefully understaffed, perhaps a few of the fired useless young bureaucrats could be retrained to join the fight. Others could become air traffic controllers, another understaffed profession, if they have what it takes.
Over 100 years ago if you count The Great War (WWI).
China builds more coal fired powerplants than the entire world combined. Now they are building even more. Meanwhile, the western world is hampered with green policy constraints while the CCP destroys the atmosphere and brooms every last living thing from the Oceans?
https://www.ft.com/content/4658e336-930f-49db-abc9-0036ee0ea777?shareType=nongift
Why does Elon Musk allow CCP government anti-western propaganda on X, but yet X is censored in china from the outside world by the CCP?
Then, isn’t Musk hampering the USA while simultaneously DOGEing it?
As if the Germans don’t know the US did it.
CIA funds some bad shit.
The corruption of the West is so embedded that it looks beyond repair.
In the US for example, why not follow the shutting down of corrupt USAID with the shutting down of the corrupt CIA and FBI. Then the healthcare insurance industry and the Federal Reserve.
Completely rethink these activities to meet real public needs at low cost.
Then move on to education and “defence” swamp. In fact build a new efficient and clean United States that genuinely serves the public.
It is possible.
although DJT and Elon Musk carry with them personal failings and liabilities (like all people) they could be the ones to carry through a major swamp clean-up. The Don certainly hates the Deep State after the constant sabotages of his first term (and don’t forget the two publicly-known assassination attempts)- a lesser man would learn to submit to the Deep State but Trump has come out fighting which is very good sign.
Notably, Mr. Hua has nothing to say about Vance’s observation that (Western) Europeans have slipped away from the common “Western” values, like freedom and democracy, so there is no more a conceptual base for a common military defence system. Freedom and democracy are seemingly so lowbrow that Mr. Hua cannot be bothered to mention them at all. (As an old-fashioned European, I don’t agree with him.)
This is a casual reading article, by which I mean no prescription or proscription is offered; no remedy or course of action, short or long term is proposed.
But I can see one clearly. The only public figure that stands above the rest is Alice Weidel, candidate for Chancellor of Germany, of the Alternative For Deutschland. She and Sahra Wagenknecht have stated that Germany should reconnect the Nordstreams and run them at full capacity. Also: drop all sanctions on Russia and re-establish trade, good relations, and cooperation. Same with the JUSA.
It is clear, without overtly expressing same, that both these women of outstanding intelligence, education [PhDs], and common sense see Germany’s future as most likely that of a neutral state, evaluationg its interests based on Realpolitik and economics.
As Putin has said, all European and Western leaders are like little puppies at the feet of the Master Trump. Wagging their little tales.
And what of “poor little Ukraine”? They don’t even mention it, except to say their country’s involvement is shameful in its actions against Russia. They both seem to talk about Russian relations more than USSA.
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Very inspiring.
Plummeting birthrates will undermine the rise of China, as with rest of East Asia.
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You guys crack me up, Trump is a bitch and the Deep state are the very people he’s writing fucking laws that violate the first amendment just to protect from being criticized, fuck him. We’re talking about the same guy who just gave the ONES 2000 pound bombs to be used soon. The same guy who took credit for the death shot. He’s not fighting no deep state, he writes laws to protect them.
You might as well say you trust Georgina Meloni.
Trump’s America continues to commit suicide through “LEGAL” immigration, as exemplified by gay Bowman and his curry beard and their Vivek brood. Until this fundamental problem is addressed, all Trump’s triumphs of the moment amount only to a streamlining-for-efficiency “center-right” version of the Great Reset.
In the meantime I have read some more articles by Mr. Hua. He shows a disdain for, indifferently, all conflict parties in Europe and America – probably a result of a deep resentment. Also he really thinks that freedom and democracy are useless, because “we the Chinese have come to wealth without them” (a standpoint very similar to imperial Germany around 1900). I insist that freedom and democracy were very helpful in finishing a longtime English Civil War – more generally viewed, they are solutions if a society gets broken either by discontent plebs or by rivalling elites (or both connected). Which on the short or on the long run will be important for China, too.
The following article may be of assistance to you:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-02-22/feral-pharma-phile-libs-riot-over-rfk-jr-investigating-ssri-safety
If you want to pull your own words out of another author, please give quote where Hua Bin indicated such resentment.
The reason you chose here on Unz to comment, not YahooNews or BBC showed that you cared truth, and you also realized you did NOT have freedom to discuss certain issues, related to certain interest groups on other sites,
If you dare do so publicly, under current political climate, one might face discrimination, social barrage, job instability, career suicide, family wreckage or prosecution.
I would suggest you remove the shackle around neck first, before telling a Free Man to chain himself again, I’m dealing with homeland real Chinese on daily basis,
Chinese shed tons of blood, their own blood to free themselves from monarchy, warlords, captalists, foreign invasions etc since 1850s,
They don’t need a Slave to lecture them how ‘oppressed’ they are
Delusional indeed,,
THE USA has fought no wars for Europe – that is a disturbingly common Usonian delusion, doubtless rooted in the absurd notion of ‘Uhmurrikan’ exceptionalism. However, the only thing exceptional about the militarily incompetent Yanks is their seemingly limitless capacity for swaggering braggadocio and self delusion.
Poor, brainwashed, troll. There is no ‘freedom’ and ‘democracy’ in the USA, you dolt. The gaols are chock-full, the poor are burgeoning, homelessness grows apace, ‘deaths of despair’ sky-rocket, inequality is the greatest ever, elite wealth grows like topsy, and you still gotta die eventually, and you squawk about ‘freedom’. The ‘freedom’ to rip others off yet survives, I suppose, or the ‘freedom’ to work three jobs and still be poor, or the ‘freedom’ to buy politics, wholesale etc.
As for ‘democracy’-Jesus wept. A crude, corrupt, Jewintern dominated oligarchy, and you call it ‘democracy’. No wonder the Chinese hold you in contempt. Utter contempt.
Wishful, racist, frightened, thinking. It’s ‘clutching at straws’ time.
‘Freedom’ and ‘democracy’ are Western LIES, troll. You are thoroughly well brainwashed, at least.
Election by Lot is needed, but I’m afraid Veep Vance is not going to fight for that.
Why would the Europeans want to conquer Russia??? Does not make any sense.
Yes EU can fight on its own, it has the money and technology for it but European Countries have been ignoring their military for a long time, it will take time for them to get their militaries and their military manufacturing industries into order. The positive thing is Europan nations will have less to spend on social security which benefits a lot of foreigners anyways.
However, Russia as per its military doctrine and its military industrial complex, gets done a lot more on the cheap than the West.
Maybe your numbers are correct but it hasn’t changed results on the battlefield. Ukraine had gigantic numbers of available cannon fodder and Europe had very large amounts of cash and military equipment, but Ukraine/NATO still lost the war.
Wow!
This article is like when I order Szechuan Beef, “Hawt an Spiceey!”
All cynicism aside, the reality, for the most part, is that the era for armed conflict is pretty much coming to an end. At least amongst most first world nations.
It’s just too expensive, disruptive, and dangerous. Yes, I realize the ones that are currently underway, but they basically prove my point- Major wars just aren’t “worth it”, unless it’s existential, and you have no choice.
Europe, is fucking done! Even if they pulled their collective heads out of their asses, tomorrow, it would take 10-20 years to make them functional nation states again; Starting with mass deportations, re-industrialization, and efforts to boost population growth, fiscal solvency for their governments, and end the stupid EU, and NATO, and the UN.
The US can’t afford a major war- our MIC is too goddamned expensive, it would bankrupt us for a century, AND nobody wants to enlist for that shit, because we’ve fought, and lost, a whole series of optional wars, and nobody likes a loser.
Russia has pulled off the Ukraine thing, but they didn’t want it to come to this.
No nation wants to become a wartime economy, because it’s not good in the long term.
In all of this, Trump is right- Have economic rivals, protect your borders, have fair trade deals, and let’s all agree to stop trying to build armies to destroy one another. Because it will cost so much, that even if you “win” the war, you’ll lose because of economics.
It’s all a lose-lose-lose proposition.
And if you can’t win the game, don’t bother playing.
Europe could fight it’s way out of a paper bag right now. The very idea that they could project power into the far East!? Don’t make me laugh.
This latest report on the UK military tells a very sobering story- They’re fucked!
Who did the US fight for in Europe in WW2?
Well obviously not Germany/Austria, Italy, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovakia or Finland.
Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, Spain and Portugal were neutral. So not them.
The Baltics were under Soviet rule prior to the war . . . and afterwards. So not for them either. Poland ended up under Soviet domination. Yugoslavia ended up under communist rule – so the war was clearly not fought for any of them.
And of course there’s Britain – which was never in danger of German invasion.
That leaves France, Belgium, Holland, Greece, Norway and Denmark. Of which US troops were only directly involved in liberating France and Belgium. It could be argued then that war was fought for these five alone.
So, other than them, which ‘Europe’ was this war really for?
The white percentage of the US population is lower than in any European country.
Glad to hear you’ve deposed the US jew overlords. It’s odd that’s not made the news anywhere, surprising I have to learn about it from your comment actually.
Yep, the mightier you are, the easier you fall.
Russia liberated Europe; the americants changed the narrative through their propaganda machine.
The Euro elites want Russian assets, and want to get the successor states, after Russia’s division into several statelets as in the Yugoslavia and Soviet Union precedents, to join the Racist Crusade to destroy the Yellow Plague, China. Moreover, many German politicians, like Bareback and von der Lyin’ are hereditary Nazis, after vengeance for WW2. West Germany, after all, was a Nazi successor state set up to be so by the West, that entered an alliance with the Nazis after about 1943.
West Germany was never a Nazi state, the Globalist Satanic Jews can never accept any Nationalist Socialism anywhere on Earth unlike Satanic Globalist Captalism or Satanic Marxism, which Globalist Satanic Jews like. Germany and the West went through decades of de-nazification. Satanic Jew has being slowly spreading marxist brainwashing in the West including Germany.
Whom the USA built up by providing loads of technology and money. This proves that the elites running the West are a bunch of madmen. Build up a country and then fight a war to create more destruction and mayhem. War is profit after all.
Or, much easier, make voting compulsory as in Australia.
They are not being “shunned”. Europe is the closest ally and trading partner of N. America, and the main source of the original people who colonised the continent.
Nobody got “shunned” LOL it’s a huge tourist destination and vice versa. They will not suddenly be transformed into 3rd world coolies because you got triggered on the internet with topics over your wavelength.
Thanks.
As in WW1, for WW2 too, (a) it was Britain that ensured the war went ahead regardless of peace offers (b) US waited until the others countries were wrecked or exhausted. Contrary to the non-stop propaganda, it was USSR that did most of the fighting against Germany – and suffered the biggest losses.
Who the leaping fuck denies that the Soviet defeated Germany?
Believe me, compulsory voting is a farce. Here in Austfailia, as everywhere, 50% of the serfs are below median intelligence, many very far eg Truth Vigilante. Any measure of morality, knowledge, psychopathy etc would find similar results. We always elect collections of morons, ignoramuses, racist and the corrupt, to reflect the electorate. Left to our own devices, we help others out, then politicians boast of it, as if all other peoples do not share our communal solidarity.
Are you stupid and ignorant, or lying? De-nazification in West Germany was skin-deep and the German intelligence, the BND, was simply the Nazi Gehlen Nework, operating for new masters.
As for China, it built itself up you poor, jealous, sepoy. Unlike poor old India, which remains a shit-hole.