After half a century of decline in USA and Europe

and rise of China

finally the Chinese are overtaking everywhere

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Leftist dishonesty has corrupted social sciences1, journalism, and has brainwashed entire populations. Thus dishonesty has perverted elections2, and caused great harm.

Ok, here we go. Another propaganda piece from the resident CCP outreach worker.

Where’s the shill button on this site???

Westerners are simply not interested in going to University in china. It isn’t that they couldn’t. Whereas, it is quite the reverse with chinese students studying abroad. Chinese can’t wait to study in a Western country, especially at ivy league institutions.

Western universities have their own problems without a western student wanting to take a step backward by studying in china.

Imagination is what creates. Creations are what produce outcomes. Chinese need to steal Western technology borne of the imagination, an imagination the chinese themselves do not have and, thanks to the CCP, are not allowed to cultivate.

Imagination might just be a threat to the power structure in china and the CCP can not allow this.

US citizens: 429 Nobel Prizes.

Chinese citizens: 8 Nobel Prizes.

US citizens: 13 Fields medals.

Chinese citizens: 1 Fields medal.

Knowledge cannot be hidden, but must be passed on. That much is certain. However, when it comes to more intangibles, such as patriotism and love of country, I think it is clear that the Middle Kingdon wins out over whatever is going down in the Western Academy.

At the university, Wu Qinghua’s spirit is surely more organic than whomever Western youth attends.

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Forget about the US and China. India is the new scientific superpower.

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Give the Chinese time. They’ll catch up and if we don’t gives up our idiotic dedication to diversity, they will surpass us.

Guess who decides who gets Nobel Prizes? It is a certain peculiar tribe that decides where they go. Mostly they go to their own tribe, which to large extend resides in the US.

“Give the Chinese time. They’ll catch up and if we don’t give up our idiotic dedication to diversity, they will surpass us.”

Would giving up our idiotic dedication to diversity include not allowing the Chinese to immigrate to the US?

I think it would.

I have no doubt that — even in a diverse US with a minority of whites — a mere 10 million white Americans (maybe even fewer) could always surpass China.

China is good at copying but not so good at creating. All of its recent advances are based on prior Western achievements.

Remember when Japan was going surpass us? Back in the 1980’s, that’s all you heard about: The “Japanese miracle.” Then the whole thing fell apart. And we never heard about it again.

White Americans — spurred on by Jews — love to put themselves down. So, we get absurd contradictions such as white people who are “against” diversity nevertheless extolling the virtues of nonwhites (in this case, Asians).

White males of European heritage created 95% of civilization. But they only make up 11% of the entering classes at Harvard and other elite universities. No matter, though. You can’t kill talent. These whites are still going to achieve at their natural levels. They just won’t have a Yale or Harvard stamp of approval.

Corporate America has gone the diversity route, but it can’t last forever. At some point, you actually have to produce something good, or you go out of business.

Nobel? Do you think it might be coopeted? Is it the final word on creativity in understanding the world’s mysteries?

When Robert Zimmerman wins the Nobel Literature Prize, you know it is simply Jews giving Jews accolades, using their white sycophants as agents.

That said, there can be truth in it. Bob surely had positive takes on women, with songs like Baby Blue, Like a Rolling Stone, Queen Jane Approximately, Positively Fourth Street, Just Like a Woman, and As I Went Out This Morning.

For those songs, alone, he deserves a lot of credit. Much more insightful than Brits singing “I want to hold your hand”. The irony is, the Nobel committee certainly didn’t have those lyrics in mind when they gave him credit. That would have been misogynist on their part. And of course it was all lost upon the stupid goyim, not understanding the irony of Nobel’s selection–an irony lost upon the Nobel committee themselves.

I’m waiting for Nobel to give a poetic prize to Tandyn Almer, who wrote, “When vague desire is the fire in the eyes of chicks whose sickness is the games they play…” Or Robert Hunter: Tales of the Great Rum Runners. Probably won’t happen in my lifetime, but there’s always the next.

xyzxy, don’t forget Zimmerman’s magnum opus, the pill in the peanut butter for you goy curs, Neighborhood Bully. Zimmerman’s a μ 92 IQ Genocide Jew through & through, doo-doot doo-doot doot doot doo!

India will not equal China. At least in the near term. Why? They cannot speak univocally. For reasons unknown, India squandered the northern derived Aryan spirit. Recognized as a spiritual infusion of the Vedas, Mahabharata (Krishna’s council to Arjuna during war) and the Ramayana. This ‘native’ Indian spiritual absorption of an Aryan ground failed, resulting in a Buddhistic revision– a revision of Hinduism that had become degenerate, but was now directed to look back toward an original Aryan ground. In fine, the consolidation and reunification of Brahman and Kshatriya. Something India still struggles with.

Alternately, China is unique inasmuch at it has abandoned the Western influenced Marxist ideology, embracing its own indigenous, organic Taoist-Confucius spirit. China’s Buddhist tradition is, we must understand, an imposition from India. Yet inasmuch as it is Aryan based, it can be infused within an overall local tradition. For those of a literary bend, it is what Ezra Pound was getting at. Really, the triumph of what is called Perennialism, which we know from Guenon and Evola.

Consider Journey to the West as an exemplar. We read and understand it from the traditions: an opposition between ancient Aryan spiritual truths reflected in the conflict between Buddhism and Taoist teachings. Both come together (and in their own way, apart) in the character of Wukong.

I wonder where Seoul University ranks on this list. I ask because in the TV show Squid Game, a key plot point is the main character being constantly in awe of his friend’s academic background, always complementing him and name-dropping in front of others where his friend went to University. The main character himself is purely of a blue-collar background, which is reflective of how East Asian societies revere academic achievement in general. This is in contrast to the US, where in many working class communities they tend to be resentful and distrustful of those among them that find academic success. This applies to the US working class among Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics.

Interesting ranking but of limited use. Looks like it counts all articles in a subset of journals selected by subjective reputation – US News’ secret sauce. The ranking method doesn’t construct a graph showing citations, and that’s the real measure of importance.

https://www.nature.com/nature-index/faq

Odd choice of disciplines, too, no pure or applied math.

There is more to it. How many of the innovative researchers at top US universities are Asian? This might support your CCP contention or it might not.

I agree that creativity is the special spark.

Apparently some wealthy Chinese attending US colleges could not get into top Chinese universities: “They are not sending their best!”

In a world of propaganda an “organic” mindset is hard to find. I think this is true in the West and no less true in China.

Is the number of high caliber Indian scientists consistent with the relatively low average IQ of the country? I am asking based on Saini’s curious claim that India has a lot of engineers and scientists. Does it have a lot for a country with over a billion people or is the number actually low for such a populous country, while still being a substantial number in absolute terms?

India has done OK in certain technical fields, but like China, it is difficult to identify any native Indian S&T innovations. Indians working in the West are perceived as being innovative, but other factors may be involved.

We live in a time when nothing read can be believed. And at the same time almost anything can be accepted as true. The Chinese novel, Red Chamber Dream, I think fifth chapter, describes the modern world: Truth becomes fiction when the fiction’s true; Real becomes not-real where the unreal becomes real.

It’s a mixed up time we live in, for sure.

At one time, perhaps 70 years ago, US universities were without equal, these were the educational institutions like Stanford that spawned companies like Hewlett Packard and the whole Silicon Valley phenomenon. Those days are long over, 50 or more years of corrosive wokeness in the American academy have taken their toll. They’ve taken the proud, high achieving nation that the US was 70 years ago and reduced it to the pathetic shell it is today. Yale and Harvard et al, might still be considered leading, highly prestigious institutions, but they are simply riding on the momentum that was developed in the previous 100 years. They are the shiny outer skin of a 1920’s Hispano Suiza automobile being driven around by a long-faded movie star, while the interior upholstery is torn, the engine is smoking and backfiring and the chauffeur is half-dead.

The US higher educational system, like the whole nation is dead or dying, because the core people who made it great are dead or dying. The US, had it’s place in the sun for 100 years, now it’s another nations’ chance, or a bunch of nations, it’s too early to tell.

One thing’s for certain, every civilization has it’s beginning, peak, and end, just like an organism. The US is truly in it’s dying phase, people who think that Trump will be able to put a stop to it simply haven’t read much history.

… institutions like Stanford that spawned companies like like Hewlett Packard …

One should seriously reflect upon HP as a primary example of the decline of Western technological influence. It is a very profound and emotionally heartbreaking episode in the story of Western apotheosis. But there are many others, so one must not be too specific. IBM is perhaps the most well known example of decline.

It’s like the old Amy Chua ‘Tiger Mom’ meme, admonishing her kids: “We didn’t name you Stanford for nothing…”

Traditionalist Marshall McLuhan used to say that people always approached the future (really, the present) by way of a ‘rear view mirror’. That is, judging the present from the past. But the future will never be reflected that way. China was certainly asleep to ‘modern’ ways. No one interested in history can deny it. But China today is not the China of, say Somerset Maugham’s, On A Chinese Screen. Yet that is how many still view it.

Because the educated classes exploit the labor of the workers. they are the slave masters.
We break our bodies, the boss gets a bonus and a new car.

Right. While the Chinese, like all humans, may have latent creativity, it’s been repressed, as witness to China’s primitivism until the Jewish control of finance transferred America’s factories and technology to China. One secret of Chinese students’ good behavior and working hard at Chinese universities—that is, before they became the beneficiaries of Western civilization—were things as simple as central heating and windows with glass keeping out the cold, as opposed to hellish conditions back home. The Chinese are correct in that their demonic rage to annihilate those to whom they own everything will result in war. Yet, has it ever occurred to these Chinese, or to Indians for that matter, that their attitude is why modernism left them behind until the Christian West brought modernism to them? Of course not, and as ever pride goeth before the fall.

The only thing hobbling Chinese universities are the Chinese ruling class. They always had, and still have, profound emotional fear and distaste for independence of mind and fight it savagely. This will always hobble Chinese universities as long as China has an authoritarian government. That government is the most paranoid on earth.

On the creativity and innovation in computers: quite a few pioneers there were Asian rather than Americans. The famous microprocessor revolution , Z80, was started by a Japanese dude collaborating with an Italian, with characters like Moore taking credit (and failing to deliver their original i496 or what was it called, no one remembers it now); there was then Wang computers, MSX, and all kinds of things. In fact, it can be said that it is the American Intel who cannot innovate, milking the Z80 line of architecture for 50 years and able for delivering almost nothing else.

However, the charge can be laid as follows. While East Asians are immensely creative, and flourish where allowed, their own society does not allow for doing anything first. Invention, innovation there is looked upon like a potentially criminal thing. Can a jap girl dye her hair blue? No. She has to paint it brown like everyone else.

So in the absence of Western enablement of innovation, China would slowly but surely return to its Confuzian stasis and would stay so for another milennium, no?

Bronze Age Pervert has an argument that western white people entranced by Asian IQ test scores are totally deranged. It is not a foolproof argument but it is worth a read.

Race in America and the Dork Right

https://substack.com/@bronzeagepervert/p-150810515

I read most of the comments. Two things. There seems to be a lot of denial. China has entered the competitive world of academia, and is scoring respectably. Trajectory. Where they weren’t, where they are now, and where they appear to be going. A body in motion, tends to stay in motion. Western civilization had that trajectory for quite a long while, but it is stagnating today, and going into a reversal. The failure of the education system to turn out the highest quality product foreshadows an epic decline, and coupled with loss of institutional knowledge, promises demotion on the world stage to a 2nd tier former global leader. Indeed, the charts I have seen recently showing declines in math and reading are frankly, embarrassing. Why the Trump administration has not taken down the DOE as of yet is a mystery to me, it has proven to be absolutely useless.

“Whose universities are better — China vs. the US”

Well, given that the US no longer has any universities (hell, the US doesn’t even have the US anymore) it’s sort of a one-way contest, innit.

Shouldn’t Chinese develop a phonetic system?

Their language crazy. It no good.

“Nobel? Do you think it might be coopted?”

Yes, of course – mostly by the Left. I’m just using the metrics people who brag about Chinese achievements use in order to counter their arguments.

” … it’s simply the Jews giving Jews accolades.”

A disproportionate number of Jews have won Nobel Prizes. I don’t think that will last. Unz has shown that Jews in the US make up 6% of top high school graduates — not the 25% you’d expect if you go by the Jewish percentage of Harvard’s entering class.

There are times when certain groups achieve beyond what would be expected of them. Those times are not the norm.

And I agree that giving Zimmerman the Literature prize is absurd. They really shouldn’t even be awarding that prize. We haven’t had good literature, philosophy, art architecture, theater and music for at least half a century.

Certainly not at the level of Balzac, Aristotle, Michelangelo, Shakespeare, Baron Haussmann or J.S. Bach!

I see that more in terms of evolutionary biology …
the East Asian adaptation of suppressing intraspecific aggression (well, maybe
not quite: seven of the ten bloodiest wars in history were fought in China) may
smother initiative to some degree also, while Americans were bred for the opposite:
Centuries of near-isothermic expansion, and devil take the hindmost.
It enables the Chinese to thrive under conditions that would turn Americans into
impotent cannibals (hint, hint) and makes it all the more remarkable how they
compete on Western turf.
In evolutionary terms Americans are niggers, and China will still be there when
they have devoured each other in impotent rage.

Of course, of *far far* greater importance than this is the radical population change implicit in western Europe and north America. That is the turnaround in population from a predominately ethnic European one to one that is primarily African/west/south Asian/mestizo in ethnicity. Already *most* school and college age Americans are not ethnically European.
It is, of course, from this pool that college students are selected.
One needs only a cursory glance at IQ levels by ethnicity to see where this is heading.

Totally agree.

Though I would point out that back in the thirties and forties of the 20th century the one nation that was at the cutting edge of technology was Germany. Operation Paper Clip proves the point.

Another big question mark about the primacy of the American higher education system was the failure of the United States to beat the French- British joint venture that produced the first hypersonic passenger plane back in the seventies, the Concorde. JFK learned about the deal in the early sixties and moved swiftly to push the American aeronautic industry to beat the French and the British in that kind of innovation, and after years of research the project was abandoned deeming it too expensive and too difficult. The Concorde proved to be a commercial flop but it is an undisputed icon of technological achievement.

So, what did the Germans had back then in common with the Chinese today; I think that it was all about a strict policy of meritocracy as well as a government policy of encouraging innovation in a field that is deemed essential for the national economy. Should the Chinese manage within five to ten years to beat the U.S. in the computer chip industry, that would lay to rest the claim that the Chinese lack imagination.

Killing DEI is the first step towards making MAGA succeed, but then the natural cycle of the rise and decline of nations and societies will be the deciding factor. We can take a hint from the percentage of American graduates in STEM which is estimated at 7% compared to that of Germany and Russia which hovers near 24%, while China produces at least a couple of million more such graduates every year. The U.S. is lucky that so many foreign students in STEM prefer to learn and work in the U.S. rather than in China, for many of them end up net contributors to the advancement of American technology.

“Westerners are simply not interested in going to University in china. ”

Can’t pass the entrance exam, so it’s stupid as you.

“Westerners are simply not interested in going to University in china. ”

Can’t pass the entrance exam, so it’s stupid as you.

White males of European heritage created 95% of civilization.

In the 7th century Europeans had to go to the Arab world to learn how to count(they didn’t understand the concept of zero). And learn advanced mathematics(algebra is Arab). So your knuckle dragging ass doesn’t know shi*.

There is no problem in secondary school in America if you remove the scores of low IQ black and Hispanic hordes.

Where’s the shill button on this site???

exactly. fuck this guy. i was for it initially but the associated gookalanche has wrecked this place. cue the troll army 3 2 1…

Your comment is as wrong as it’s nasty. Science was stillborn in every civilization and era and among every people until the European Medieval Scholastics, who overcame superstition by uniting faith with reason, created the logical concepts and language that made science possible. There’s also the European creation of higher mathematics such as, for example, calculus and the numerical quantification of probability. So, let’s restate that. Science was solely a product of Christian Civilization and none other, and that’s with all the red herrings about Inquisitions, heliocentrism, Galileo, burning libraries, and other lies and distortions aside.

hypersonic passenger plane

It wasn’t that fast.

Yes the maths of people like Cauchy and Lagrange and numerous other French and Germans was utterly unlike anything ever seen before.

And who promotes this dishonesty? Ashkenazim cultural Marxists!

Maher say China no good.

🇨🇳 THIS IS WHY CHINA IS WINNING!

THE MEDIA DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE THIS!

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— Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸 (@jacksonhinklle) February 10, 2025

Because the West, actually the Northern-European center, along with Jewish talent, has been at the forefront of advances in science and innovation in technology for so long, the main objective of the East was to learn, follow, keep up. Sometimes, nations like Japan became a peer competitor in certain fields, but the East failed to develop a model of leadership.

It was always to learn, catch up, or improve something invented in the West. It wasn’t to be the leader in creating whole new paradigms of thought and possibility.

The East can step on the accelerator but can it take over the steering wheel and decide on the direction of the future?

China has a foundation of 5,000 years of civilization. The US is a flash in the pan with barely 250 and it is already coming apart. I know where I’m placing my bets.

“Europeans had to go to the Arab world to learn how to count (they didn’t understand the concept of zero).”

Pythagoras didn’t understand the concept of zero?

Zeno – with his paradoxes – didn’t understand the concept of zero?

Pythagoras and Zeno lived over 1,000 years before the 7th century A.D.

What an idiotic claim for you to make!

Stop listening to NPR — or whatever crap propaganda you fill your empty noggin with.

” … percentage of American graduates in STEM which is estimated at 7% …”

According to Google AI, 16.9% of all American college degrees that were awarded in 2023 (B.S., M.S., Ph.D.) were in STEM.

“Back in the thirties and forties of the 20th century, the one nation that was at the cutting edge of technology was Germany.”

True. But leading American universities were not exactly second-rate. Ernest Lawrence invented the cyclotron at Berkeley in 1929, the same year that J. Robert Oppenheimer joined the Berkeley faculty. The race was on to develop the atomic bomb, and America won.

“Another big question mark about the primacy of the American higher education system was the failure of the United States French-British joint venture that produced … the Concorde.”

The Concorde was a minor achievement compared to the moon landing (unless you believe that never happened). The Concorde wasn’t hypersonic, it was supersonic. The US created the world’s first supersonic aircraft in 1946 (Bell X-1). It created the world’s first hypersonic aircraft (X-15) in 1958. I doubt the US was all that interested in having its own supersonic passenger jet. It was a vanity project – not practical for flying across the US itself – and there was no reason for America to feel any need to “beat” France and Britain.

“Should the Chinese manage within five to ten years to beat the US in the computer chip industry, that would lay to rest the claim that the Chinese lack imagination.”

Would it? The microchip was invented in the US. That’s where imagination came into the picture.

“The US is lucky that so many foreign students in STEM prefer to learn and work in the US rather than in China, for many of them end up net contributors to the advancement of American technology.”

Really? That’s what American universities (who can charge foreigners more) and American corporations (that have leverage over people going through the naturalization process to become US citizens) would like you to think. But we have seen from the H-1B program that it’s mainly cheap labor the companies are looking for. US citizens expect decent pay commensurate with their level of skill and education. Foreigners who wish to become US citizens are likely to be much less demanding.

Agreed absolutely! A recent world known example of decline is Boeing!

every “top” univeristy in the west is a diploma mill for eichmanns. nothing more. being the trade schools for capitalist zealots they rely on the capitalist idea of “branding”. it’s like saying burberry or iphones or “lambos” are actually “worth” their delusional price tags. pure subjective wank.

look at how the “ivys” (god what a fucking 19th century WASP term) handled the gaza issue. by acting like vicious whores who will kill for their pimps. so…basically the same as the entire western media and “elite” class.

facts and numbers and ideas passed down through several centuries don’t need the midwifery of some overpaid idiots who “teach to the test” to be understood. or, to reverse a common saying, “it’s not who you know, it’s what you know”. also:

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the west has proven nothing over its long, annoying existence. other than “don’t trust whitey”, of course.

The biggest difference is China’s academia is overseen by the Chi-coms and would never allow criticism of their own system while American academia is overseen by organized jewry who use it to dismantle Western civilization. The more time Americans spend in academia, the more they align with the organized jewry that wants to destroy them. The system is designed to to create self loathing.

Supersonic is the right word. It was twice the speed of sound.

Just watch ’em, Prissy. One aspect of Western dominance you omit is the deliberate sabotage of other societies, as they are trying today with China.

“ According to Google AI, 16.9% of all American college degrees that were awarded in 2023 (B.S., M.S., Ph.D.) were in STEM.”

You are right but if we talk about hard core engineering, most research puts the percentage of U.S. graduates around the 7% figure, well behind countries like Russia, Germany, China and Iran.

“The US created the world’s first supersonic aircraft in 1946 (Bell X-1).”

It was based on a jet engine which the Germans produced at the beginning of WWII but which Hitler refused to develop deeming it too expensive, one of the big mistakes that contributed to his loss of the war.

“ The microchip was invented in the US. That’s where imagination came into the picture”

There is no denying the creativity of American science. But it has always been the case that a country invents something and loses its edge over time to other competitors. The same story happened between Britain and the USA.

“ The race was on to develop the atomic bomb, and America won.”

The Germans were the first to successfully split the atom. Hitler stopped all nuclear research between 1936 and 1939. The Germans resumed their nuclear research as the WWII started and were much closer to producing the first nuclear bomb had it not been for the bombardment of their nuclear research facility producing heavy water in Norway in November 1943. Some historians speculate that the surrender of Germany many months before the nuking of Japan provided the Manhattan project with some crucial ingredients to the nuclear bomb.

The purpose of my comment was not to belittle the American higher education system but rather to point out that the assumption that American Universities are second to none is not a slam dunk case. The current American incapacity to compete with Russia and Iran in the hypersonic missiles field proves that current American R&D leaves much to be desired.

And speaking about the contribution of foreign minds, you boast about Americans reaching the moon. While I am a skeptic for the simple reason that had the event truly happened more than fifty years ago it should have been followed by other attempts reaching the moon and far beyond. Still there is a salient fact in the American space program which is that the head of NASA team was the German Von Braun. The U.S.has been a magnet for some of the brightest minds from all over the world. Think about Nicolas Tesla as an example. The H-1B visa is another story.

I mentioned DEI as a big impediment to American competitiveness. A few years ago I read a report about the University of Michigan spending 11 million USD on its Diversity Department with the dean of the department enjoying a salary of USD 400,000. That is the kind of the parasitic body that is a hindrance to the resumption of a more efficient higher educational system in the U.S.

If you peruse Needham et al’s ‘Science and Civilization in China’, you will find that you are very mistaken, and that science, mathematics, and much else were highly developed in China over millennia. Volume Three on mathematics and the sciences of Heaven and Earth’ ie geology, geography, seismology, mineralogy etc might be a place to start.

Ah, Thelma-so ‘Chosen’, so racist, so pig ignorant. The complete kosher package.

“If we talk about hardcore engineering, most research puts the percentage of US graduates around the 7% figure, well behind countries like Russia, Germany, China and Iran.”

You were wrong when you said the percentage of US graduates in STEM was only 7%. So, now you’ve shifted the goal posts, applying the 7% figure to engineering alone, not STEM as a whole. Well, it might be interesting for you to find out what Google AI says regarding the “hardcore” engineers that you mention:

Google AI: “In 2021, 20% of doctorates awarded in the United States were in engineering.”

“The purpose of my comment was not to belittle the American higher education system.”

But that’s what you did and continue to do.

“The current incapacity of America to compete with Russia and Iran in the hypersonic missiles field proves that American R&D leaves much to be desired.”

Incapacity? Or just misplaced priorities on the part of our politicians and military establishment? Engineers and professors of engineering don’t run American foreign policy.

“I am a skeptic [that the moon landing actually occurred] for the simple reason that had the event truly happened more than fifty years ago, it should have been followed by other attempts reaching the moon and beyond.”

What purpose would have been served by repeating what had already been done? As for going beyond the moon, we’ve done that using robots. Why not humans? Because the earth is the only habitable planet in our solar system. Providing the needed infrastructure to allow significant numbers of humans to live on another planet would be an expensive and pointless endeavor.

Traveling at 17,000 mph, it would take at least 16 centuries to get to the nearest habitable planet (bring lots of food, water, oxygen, fuel and baby formula!), assuming there were such a planet orbiting the nearest star. The likelihood of that being the case is a million-to-one against.

“DEI.”

I doubt many people get Ph.D.’s in STEM based solely on their race, gender, gender-identity or sexual orientation. The real problem is that talented white American males are being discouraged from pursuing degrees in STEM because 1) universities prefer foreign students who pay high fees, 2) white males are discriminated against in hiring/promotion and selective university admissions, and 3) corporations want cheap labor – not uppity white Americans who expect to be paid what they’re worth.

“Von Braun.”

Wasn’t he a US citizen by the time he solved the rocket propulsion problem?

It seems that legacy Americans just love to put each other down. They romanticize “exotic” foreigners. An excellent example is the near total absence of American symphony conductors, who
can only get hired abroad, including (ironically) Europe.

People with names like “Smith” and “Jones” offend the sensibilities of American classical music snobs. For them, classical music leadership has to be foreign. And if a European (or lately Asian) conductor can’t be found, well then, they’ll just hire a Jew like Leonard Bernstein – lol.

Wernher von Braun was Oberth´s lab assistant, but among Americans he was god
(Hermann Oberth was the godfather of German rocketry but he steadfastly refused –
we may assume under considerable personal duress – to make weapons for the
Americans); for Apollo specifically Kurt Debus (the one played by Ed Harris
in Apollo 13) was probably more important than von Braun himself.
It marked the apotheosis of US tech – liberated German engineers and liberated
German patents; the patents ran out, Germans became inopportune, and the rest
of the World had rebuilt – game over.
Did I mention the same American engineerdom laughed Goddard off the stage
during his lifetime?

Sorry for the mixup on my part between STEM and Engineering. As far as I can recall the data I got was from Dmitry Orlov, a Russian-American citizen who is a blogger and writer and an article which I cannot trace where it showed far more emphasis on humanities in the U.S. as opposed to the other countries I mentioned. One thing that stunned me in the article was that Iran had the highest percentage of Engineering graduates at 66%. True or false I have no way to tell.

In the final analysis, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The contest between American and Russian weaponry in Ukraine did not impress me with the performance of the former. Whether it is the politicians’ fault or the result of a greedy MIC is not of concern to outsiders trying to get an informed opinion for their only recourse is to judge through results.

“Wernher von Braun was Oberth’s lab assistant …”

Yes, as a young man. So, what?

“Oberth … steadfastly refused – we may assume under considerable personal duress – to make weapons for the Americans.”

Wikipedia, Hermann Oberth: ” … Oberth eventually worked from 1955 for his former assistant Wernher von Braun, who was developing space rockets for NASA in Huntsville, Alabama.”

Von Braun was also developing missiles carrying nuclear warheads.

” … for Apollo specifically, Kurt Debus … was probably more important than von Braun himself.”

What does that have to do with American universities being “inferior”?

“Did I mention the same American engineerdom laughed Goddard off the stage during his lifetime?

If true, what does that have to do with anything?

I wouldn’t have mentioned the Goddard if I were you. Von Braun relied heavily on him in developing his rockets. Oh, and did I mention the Wright Brothers? I don’t think I did. Silly me …

“The contest between American and Russian weaponry in Ukraine did not impress me with the performance of the former.”

America dumped its old weapons stock on Ukraine so MIC could sell new ones, paid for by American taxpayers — or added to the national debt — and then kick back some of the money to the politicians.

The few advanced and complicated weapons systems Ukraine received were useless due to the fact that the Ukrainians couldn’t operate them. There was also the problem of getting them into Ukraine without the Russians finding out and destroying them before they could be used.

US leaders stopped trying to win (or help their proxies win) wars a long time ago. It’s not winning wars that’s profitable; it’s being perpetually at war that’s profitable.

“ US leaders stopped trying to win (or help their proxies win) wars a long time ago. It’s not winning wars that’s profitable; it’s being perpetually at war that’s profitable.”

Well stated. Agree

Two of our daughters, top students in their classes in English, Mandarin, and Math, are very much interested in studying at universities in China.

Not a step backward unless you are very ill-informed about the mainland chinese higher education, research, work ethic, and economy; engaged in wishful thinking and denial rooted in embarrassment and insecurity; and living some decades in the past where the usa was superior in many more areas than it is now.

I imagine they would need to do well enough on the HSK exam. We’ll be looking into how university instruction and foreigner admissions work in China, for at least two of our daughters.

https://www.chinesetest.cn/

Modernism is the antithesis of biblical Christianity.

As to no central heating… Actually even as China has gotten more wealthy they still do not have central heating in many regions (especially south of Shanghai) because it is seen as a waste of resources. People wear coats inside. Offices and otherwise. You know the other reason? Keeps the people from getting too soft and spoiled. It obviously doesn’t affect their health since they have made the greatest strides in increased life expectancy – surpassing the US (though behind Europe as a whole).

In any event – you need to get a lesson on the history of scholarship in China. Goes back millennia…

I have had the opportunity to teach, university courses at graduate and post graduate levels in both China and in North America. I have also sent my two children to Chinese public schools (so that they could learn Mandarin and gain an understanding of the country).

From this perspective (as a parent of 2 “educated in China” children, as a professional working in China, and as an adjunct professor) I can state that I thought, initially, that the Chinese system would be far worse than that found in North America. But I quickly found this to be erroneous. The facilities are, often not as good (especially gyms and libraries), but the students are superior. Although they share the same desires and hopes as their counterparts in the USA and Canada, they have a far stronger command of the fundamentals, are more respectful towards their teachers, have a healthier attitude towards homework and learning in general, and are simply more pleasant, less woke, and happier. They are also accustomed to hard work and enured to sacrifice.

Whereas it certainly was true that we had outpaced China in terms of creativity, this too, is slowly changing. Creativity is often a reflection of circumstance. China has been a very poor country and has only recently made strides to alleviate this. Given its rapid rise, it is simply miraculous how much innovation, inventiveness, and entrepreneurialism exists. I predict that it will far outshine the “west” for two reasons. Its trend is upward while the trend in the “west” is sloping downwards.

To make this worse, is the unfortunate realization that the negative trajectory in the “west” is exacerbated by inexcusable policies encouraging civilizational suicide and the death of the middle class (such as migration, uncontrolled spending, inflationary practices, high taxation, attacks on merit, wokism, DEI, ESG, sky-rocketing costs of energy, foolish attempts to replace meat-based proteins with insects, etc). So if this is not stopped, then clearly, our creativity will drop as our standard of living declines.

Our leadership has made the mistake of turning our natural friends into enemies. Our media has fed this and now, many western people look fearfully at the Chinese, whereas we should be learning from them (they have demonstrated the power of a merit-based system, the value of strong planning, the focusing of resources to accomplish worthwhile goals, and the review of leaders for corruption), copying them (they now have industrial practices, management techniques, and logistical methods that outshine ours), and most certainly sending our children to their universities. (only in this way will bridges be built…our Children should be learning Mandarin, Chinese history, strategy, and business techniques). The “west” has so much to be thankful for. But the fact is we have lost our advantage (either because of the machinations of a parasite class OR because “good times have led to soft people”) and, given the malevolent behavior of our leaders, we should NOT believe anything they have to say …about anything,… including China.