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Mexican immigrants are stereotyped as not being very innovative. But one Mexican immigrant, Juan Corona, who died today at age 85, was one of the pioneers of one of the most heavily publicized Northern California-centered growth industries of the Seventies: serial killing.
Serial murder was barely a concept in American life before the Seventies. The 1971 discovery in Northern California of the corpses of 25 male fruit pickers apparently murdered by Corona came as confirmation that bizarre predecessors like the Zodiac Killer were turning into a genuine Social Trend.
Baseball statistician Bill James in his book on true crime claims that serial killing was quite rare in the United States until the end of the 1960s-early 1970s, when it took off. In fact, because policemen were trained to always assume the murder victim knew his or her killer, cops lagged public perceptions and didn’t really believe in the existence of serial killers until about 1980 when the huge publicity associated with Ted Bundy finally changed their mindset.
My impression is that serial killing in the U.S. has been in decline in this century, suggesting that the serial killing fad was a genuine emanation of the zeitgeist of fifty years ago.
Juan Corona’s life story is another example of the Extreme Vetting of immigrants. From Wikipedia:
Juan Corona was born in Autlán, Jalisco, Mexico in 1934.[1] He first entered the United States illegally in 1950. Crossing the border into California, the 16-year-old picked carrots and melons in the Imperial Valley for three months before moving on north to the Sacramento Valley. … On January 17, 1956, [Corona’s half-brother] Natividad had him committed to DeWitt State Hospital in Auburn, California, where he was diagnosed with “schizophrenic reaction, paranoid type.”
He received twenty-three shock treatments, before being pronounced recovered and released three months later. Upon his release, Corona was deported back to Mexico.
In 1962, Corona returned to the U.S. legally, with a green card.
Good job, border bureaucrats! Juan Corona, previously deported for being a paranoid schizophrenic, was obviously the best available New American a half dozen years later.
At this time, he stopped drinking. Aside from schizophrenic episodes and a reported violent temper, Corona was regarded as a hard worker. This same year, he became a licensed labor contractor. He was in charge of hiring workers to staff the local fruit ranches.
Corona reportedly was outwardly macho and had anger issues with homosexual men. His half-brother, Natividad, who was gay, owned the “Guadalajara Cafe” in Marysville. Early on the morning of February 25, 1970, a young man named José Romero Raya was brutally attacked with a machete in the restroom of the café. He was discovered by customers at 1:00 a.m., hacked about the head and face, and Natividad called the police. Raya filed a lawsuit against Natividad, winning a judgment of $250,000, which prompted Natividad to sell his business and return to Mexico instead of paying. The attack occurred after Raya rejected Natividad’s sexual advances.
In March 1970, Corona was again admitted to DeWitt State Hospital for treatment. A year later, in March 1971, he applied for welfare for the first time, as there was little ranch and/or farm work available. His application was denied, however, because he had too many assets, including two houses and some money in the bank.
On May 19, 1971, a farm owner who had used Corona to contract field workers noticed a freshly dug hole in his peach orchard.
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Juan Corona too many. Or maybe two too many.
Is it really serial killing when, in your culture, the police don’t exist, and you’re supposed to settle insults with a knife?
I can name quite a few serial killers whose predations predated 1950. Just off the top of my head we’ve got H.H. Holmes, Albert Fish, and Carl Panzram. Outside the US, Carl Grossmam and Peter Kurten in Germany. In Britain, a fellow by the name of Jack.
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agriculture
Oliver, an atheist and in my opinion one of the few really honest and authentic atheists in American intellectual life, admitted that here we had a "manifestation of pure evil".
Theist or otherwise, we must admit he was right. Serial killers are a special breed of bad and should be subject to especially exemplary punishment when thoroughly proven guilty. Public, televised executions are the minimum I can think of.Replies: @Kylie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Christie_(murderer)Replies: @Reg Cæsar
PtK does inevitably spend a lot of time on California. Not only was serial killing briefly aberrantly common in the sunshine state, it was specific to an area overlapping one of the state colleges for a stretch.
The West Coast explanation could go a couple of different ways: California's unique entertainment industry and state college system could provide a reliable supply of targets. The cutting edge police departments of midcentury LA and SF could have simply noticed sooner what was a more widely distributed problem. The huge government research footprint in California could be a factor. The drugs and tolerated degeneracy definitely were. California also has a higher balance of mixed urban and wilderness areas than other populous states, which guarantees hiding places and escape routes.
But serial killing was real yet rarer than cerulean lightning, and then one day, in a period overlapping explosive developments in psychiatric pharmacology, military research, and programnatic societal upheaval, it was alarmingly more common, and also wierdly concentrated.
So my point isn't necessarily that permissiveness is wholly responsible for serial murders, but that permissiveness and rootlessness present opportunities for the expression and duration of expression of violent psychopathy that otherwise would be mitigated by social bonds (both social bonds with the would-be killer and with the would-be victims).Replies: @syonredux
Rodney Alcala, who is on Death Row for about the fourth time, is 75. It seems the worse the murder(s) committed, the longer the murderer's "life" sentence lasts. Manson lived over 47 years in prison after being arrested for the Tate-Labianca murders.
Alcala was born in San Antonio, lived part of his childhood in Mexico.Replies: @J.Ross
OT: Turns out AOC’s chief of staff illegally funneled 1 million from her campaign funds into two private companies owned by him. I doubt this happened without AOC’s knowledge and approval. You just can’t take the corrupt out of the Democrat.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-chief-of-staff-ran-slush-fund-funneled-over-1-million-in-campaign-donations-to-his-own-companies/
This is something liberal whites really need to care about, end of day they are really into that whole civic virtue crap, increase in corruption from increase in south asians in America will corrode that very quickly.Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous
Obviously, we need to import more serial killers since the number of native-born serial killers are on the decline.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-chief-of-staff-ran-slush-fund-funneled-over-1-million-in-campaign-donations-to-his-own-companies/Replies: @indocon, @The Alarmist
The upper caste hindus like Chakrabarti are bringing their well honed skills in corruption from motherland to new land.
This is something liberal whites really need to care about, end of day they are really into that whole civic virtue crap, increase in corruption from increase in south asians in America will corrode that very quickly.
“Juan Vallejo Corona (1934 – March 4, 2019) was a Mexican serial killer who was convicted of the murders of 25 migrant farm workers found buried in shallow graves in peach orchards along the Feather River in Sutter County, California, in 1971.”
Bold mine. But let’s take a look at the names of his victims:
Sigurd Emil Beiermann
John Raggio Smallwood
Mark Beverly Shields
Joe Carriveau
Raymond Reand Muchache
Kenneth Edward Whiteacre
Melford Everett Sample
Charles Cleveland Fleming
John Joseph Haluka
Warren Jerome Kelley
Donald Dale Smith
William Emery Kamp
Elbert J.T. Riley
Paul Buel Allen
Clarence Hocking
James Wylie Howard
Edward Martin Cupp
Albert Leon Hayes
John Henry Jackson
Lloyd Wallace Wenzel
Joseph J. Maczak
4 unidentified
This list reads like a Grapes of Wrath movie extras list. I suppose they were “migrants” from the rural depressed US South, but they were not migrants in the way wikipedia intends the reader to believe.
If we assume the 4 unidentified are actually Mexican aliens, because they had no identification, that leaves one identified victim who has an unquestionably Spanish name.
The rest were most likely white men. Not exactly forgiving to the narrative.
However Juan Corona looks like a Caucasian male.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Peripatetic Commenter, @Hippopotamusdrome
The news stories at the time went on endlessly about his motive and why oh why did this happen.? I don’t remember anything about his insanity.There was a sick joke at the time. His motive was that he didn’t want to pay his workers so he killed them.Hispanic activists never marched demonstrated or tried to defend him the way blacks were doing at the time. They are better than blacksThe victim list is proof that there are jobs that Americans will do.
And it seems that hate is not really as bad as they claim!
Study claiming hate cuts 12 years off gay lives retracted
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agricultureReplies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jim Christian, @syonredux, @syonredux, @J.Ross, @Alec Leamas, @gate666, @Mr. Anon, @syonredux, @David In TN
An ancient case of a serial killer that I know is Gilles de Rais, a frenchman baron, that fought together with Joan of Arc, and liked to sexually abuse and kill boys.
De Rais and his men attackef and kidnapped her. They were married as soon as he got her back to his castle and grandfather. De Rais held a knife to the priests throat. Grandfather held a knife to the wife’s throat during the hasty ceremony. A few days later the priest was found floating in the river with his head bashed in.
De Rais and wife never lived together. She managed their numerous castles and estates. He took control of her soldiers and knights. Thus had one of the biggest private armies in France.
The murders were well known. But during the 100 year’s war neithe the King of France or England had authority over the De Rais and adjoining territory.
It really was bandit anarchy
Finally the church stepped in and convicted and executed him for the crime of witchcraft and satanism; sodomony snd murder of allegedly 800 young boys.
Soon the gays will make De Rais a victim of witch hunts the inquisition bigotry bias etc.
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agricultureReplies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jim Christian, @syonredux, @syonredux, @J.Ross, @Alec Leamas, @gate666, @Mr. Anon, @syonredux, @David In TN
In a 1965 lecture taped before a group-I forget if it was a German-American group or a JBS one-Revilo P. Oliver discussed some of the real monsters of the modern age: Leopold and Loeb, Albert Fish, and several others.
Oliver, an atheist and in my opinion one of the few really honest and authentic atheists in American intellectual life, admitted that here we had a “manifestation of pure evil”.
Theist or otherwise, we must admit he was right. Serial killers are a special breed of bad and should be subject to especially exemplary punishment when thoroughly proven guilty. Public, televised executions are the minimum I can think of.
The boats. On pay per view only, of course. And to anyone who thinks that's barbaric, I say no. What's really barbaric is requiring taxpayerd to pay for feeding, housing and otherwise supporting these proven threats to members of society for years, even decades.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agricultureReplies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jim Christian, @syonredux, @syonredux, @J.Ross, @Alec Leamas, @gate666, @Mr. Anon, @syonredux, @David In TN
Jack the Ripper was an immigrant (Jewish) from an area of Eastern Europe that is in Poland.
Scotland Yard kept all the women’s clothes. Knife attackers often cut themselves
When DNA became reliable descendants of suspects were asked to give DNA. The DNA on the clothes was taken. Some DNA blood on the shawl of Catherine Eddowes matched the DNA of Kosminski’s relative.
There’s a massive effort to cover it up. Maybe some other woman just left her shawl lying at the scene of the murder. It was some other Kosminski. The DNA analysis was flawed , on and on At least there are no accusations of anti Semitic yet.
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agricultureReplies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jim Christian, @syonredux, @syonredux, @J.Ross, @Alec Leamas, @gate666, @Mr. Anon, @syonredux, @David In TN
Not from permissiveness. It’s just that media sped up in the sixties, these things were more publicized by then, news became more sensational. I think each of the aforementioned serial killers that predated the 50s likely arrived at their status independently. But with publicity and the Nightly News, from Ted, to the Green River guy, Uni-Bomber, those guys just as likely followed at least some degree of copy-cattery, if that’s a word, heh. Also, wasn’t there some sect of the Black Panthers killing Whites for awhile out there? That’s a serial, too!
https://thezebraproject.blogspot.com/
I remember reading Wikipedia’s “list of serial killers” to kill some time (heh) and realizing that a majority whose life we know anything about had had homosexual sex.
Seemed pretty significant. I remember thinking that this could tell us a lot of what homosexuality is and that someone sooner or later would address it, even in a careful, roundabout way. But nobody has and I feel like the keeper of the most arcane of arcane knowledge.
Who's to say, really?
Well, that clears that up!
Being wretched refuse, we are constitutionally required to take him in.
There’s a strain of Americanism that believes it can fix every problem; thus the Coronas of the world just have to drag themselves here and, presto!, it’s all good.
Maybe instead of fixing the Juan Corona’s of the world, Americans should raise up more of their own stock.
Oliver, an atheist and in my opinion one of the few really honest and authentic atheists in American intellectual life, admitted that here we had a "manifestation of pure evil".
Theist or otherwise, we must admit he was right. Serial killers are a special breed of bad and should be subject to especially exemplary punishment when thoroughly proven guilty. Public, televised executions are the minimum I can think of.Replies: @Kylie
“Serial killers are a special breed of bad and should be subject to especially exemplary punishment when thoroughly proven guilty. Public, televised executions are the minimum I can think of.”
The boats. On pay per view only, of course. And to anyone who thinks that’s barbaric, I say no. What’s really barbaric is requiring taxpayerd to pay for feeding, housing and otherwise supporting these proven threats to members of society for years, even decades.
And put everyone who pays to watch it (excepting victims' families) on a police database of sadists - a twofer.Replies: @Kylie, @Mr McKenna
did the rise of serial killers coincide with the development of interstate highways and the rise of hitchhiking? that puts you squarely into the ‘encountering lots of people i don’t know personally’ time period in the US, so the old police ideas about knowing the victim would no longer be a good guess due to transportation tech.
i would also guess serial killing is in decline in the US, but that’s mainly due to it becoming harder and harder to get away with it. budding serial killers get caught after a few kills now.
still extremely sparse reporting on samuel little, possibly the most prolific serial killer of all time in the US, and i don’t expect that to change much. he was vibrant, so books and magazine covers and 60 minute specials about him won’t be greenlit. no breathless reporting on how he killed over 90 people across 40 years in every state. imagine if samuel little looked like a frat boy during his younger days though. my god. the coverage. imagine, if you will, if he looked like haven monahan.
i’m less convinced serial killing is in decline outside the US. i would guess there are several serial killers active in latin america and eastern europe, at the minimum.
I've barely heard of Juan Corona and I'm pretty knowledgeable about serial killers.I think we're going to see a few more elderly prolific SKs picked up by familial DNA, but otherwise it's over. The Murder Accountability Project is using Big Data to get some active ones as well.Replies: @prime noticer
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agricultureReplies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jim Christian, @syonredux, @syonredux, @J.Ross, @Alec Leamas, @gate666, @Mr. Anon, @syonredux, @David In TN
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haarmann
Obligatory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_(1931_film)Replies: @Sean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_in_the_United_States
Can’t quite see much of a pattern.
And since you’re an LA-based movie reviewer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_Raoul
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agricultureReplies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jim Christian, @syonredux, @syonredux, @J.Ross, @Alec Leamas, @gate666, @Mr. Anon, @syonredux, @David In TN
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Christie_(murderer)
I had never heard of this guy. He raped his victims and hacked them to death with a machete. Another great gift from Jalisco, now ground zero for heroin distribution. A small price to pay for great burritos.
Some of his victims: Kenneth Whitacre, Charles Fleming, Melford Sample, Donald Smith, John J. Haluka, Warren Kelley, Sigurd Beierman, William Emery Kamp, Clarence Hocking, James W. Howard, Jonah R. Smallwood, Elbert T. Riley, Paul B. Allen, Edward Martin Cupp, Albert Hayes, Raymond Muchache, John H. Jackson, Lloyd Wallace Wenzel, Mark Beverly Shields, Sam Bonafide (also known as Joe Carriveau) and Joseph Maczak.
Almost all whites. Many were veterans who probably had PTSD. They drank a lot, got picked up for vagrancy or public intoxication and their employment prospects were wrecked. For all the rosy memories of the U.S. back in the good old days, it was often a brutal, harsh place.
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agricultureReplies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jim Christian, @syonredux, @syonredux, @J.Ross, @Alec Leamas, @gate666, @Mr. Anon, @syonredux, @David In TN
And of course there’s Sulla and Ivan Grozny. I don’t want to get into Dave McGowan’s Programmed to Kill, which goes over the whole phenomenon and lays out that the popular myth and mass media accounts have very little to do with reality (eg, the Boston Strangler was almost certainly more than one person and the incidents was completely different than the popular account), but Steve is talking about pop cultural consciousness and police training orthodoxy, and he’s right.
PtK does inevitably spend a lot of time on California. Not only was serial killing briefly aberrantly common in the sunshine state, it was specific to an area overlapping one of the state colleges for a stretch.
The West Coast explanation could go a couple of different ways: California’s unique entertainment industry and state college system could provide a reliable supply of targets. The cutting edge police departments of midcentury LA and SF could have simply noticed sooner what was a more widely distributed problem. The huge government research footprint in California could be a factor. The drugs and tolerated degeneracy definitely were. California also has a higher balance of mixed urban and wilderness areas than other populous states, which guarantees hiding places and escape routes.
But serial killing was real yet rarer than cerulean lightning, and then one day, in a period overlapping explosive developments in psychiatric pharmacology, military research, and programnatic societal upheaval, it was alarmingly more common, and also wierdly concentrated.
“Honorary” rights of citizenship? Are those different from regular rights of citizenship? Was he not German?
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agricultureReplies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jim Christian, @syonredux, @syonredux, @J.Ross, @Alec Leamas, @gate666, @Mr. Anon, @syonredux, @David In TN
In the U.S., serial killing seems to have been most prevalent in the Western United States, where people were less deeply rooted and more loosely associated – California was a place that people migrated to from the Midwest, South and East Coast. My surmise is that a mix of 1960s counterculture permissiveness and rootlessness/transitory populations is responsible for a peak in serial murders. Patterns and modus operandi are more difficult to detect when people don’t notice immediately that the victim is missing and are less wary of unusual behavior/outsiders.
So my point isn’t necessarily that permissiveness is wholly responsible for serial murders, but that permissiveness and rootlessness present opportunities for the expression and duration of expression of violent psychopathy that otherwise would be mitigated by social bonds (both social bonds with the would-be killer and with the would-be victims).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Denke
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gro%C3%9Fmann
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_K%C3%BCrten
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_SchumannReplies: @Anonymous
This is something liberal whites really need to care about, end of day they are really into that whole civic virtue crap, increase in corruption from increase in south asians in America will corrode that very quickly.Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous
Do Hindu and Pakistani immigrants tend to have different attitudes toward what you term “corruption” than White Americans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu91vVzyKLU
To me coming from there, the more shocking part was that this poor couple lay on the side of a busy road next to Delhi airport for hours before any passer by noticed them!! This is lack of social capital. Even Mexico and Arab countries are not that bad.
Why do I say this, well to answer your question on how South Asians view corruption differently than white Americans, because of where they come from, South Asians tend to develop this mentality of milking the system as much as possible all rules be dammed. You see this in medicine where South Asians are perhaps the most overrepresented group in the list of doctors who are caught cheating Medicare. So yes my friend, South Asians are helluva lot more corrupt on average than your regular white American.
Bold mine. But let's take a look at the names of his victims:
Sigurd Emil Beiermann
John Raggio Smallwood
Mark Beverly Shields
Joe Carriveau
Raymond Reand Muchache
Kenneth Edward Whiteacre
Melford Everett Sample
Charles Cleveland Fleming
John Joseph Haluka
Warren Jerome Kelley
Donald Dale Smith
William Emery Kamp
Elbert J.T. Riley
Paul Buel Allen
Clarence Hocking
James Wylie Howard
Edward Martin Cupp
Albert Leon Hayes
John Henry Jackson
Lloyd Wallace Wenzel
Joseph J. Maczak
4 unidentified
This list reads like a Grapes of Wrath movie extras list. I suppose they were "migrants" from the rural depressed US South, but they were not migrants in the way wikipedia intends the reader to believe.
If we assume the 4 unidentified are actually Mexican aliens, because they had no identification, that leaves one identified victim who has an unquestionably Spanish name.
The rest were most likely white men. Not exactly forgiving to the narrative.Replies: @wilpattuHouse, @Alden
Juan Corona name also conjures up a mezito looking Mexican.
However Juan Corona looks like a Caucasian male.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/05/article-2070281-0F10AF9900000578-888_1024x615_large.jpg
Juan Corona, California serial killer convicted of killing 25 farmworkers, is again denied paroleReplies: @Alden
i would also guess serial killing is in decline in the US, but that's mainly due to it becoming harder and harder to get away with it. budding serial killers get caught after a few kills now.
still extremely sparse reporting on samuel little, possibly the most prolific serial killer of all time in the US, and i don't expect that to change much. he was vibrant, so books and magazine covers and 60 minute specials about him won't be greenlit. no breathless reporting on how he killed over 90 people across 40 years in every state. imagine if samuel little looked like a frat boy during his younger days though. my god. the coverage. imagine, if you will, if he looked like haven monahan.
i'm less convinced serial killing is in decline outside the US. i would guess there are several serial killers active in latin america and eastern europe, at the minimum.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lugash, @Desiderius, @Alden
Hitchhiking probably became a big deal in the US after WWI and then stopped being popular after the rise of serial killers in the 1970s. E.g. hitchhiking comes up fairly frequently as a plot element in Heinlein juvenile novels in the 1950s like Starman Jones. It’s not seen as dangerous in that 1952 book.
I never sensed even a whiff of danger, but Ireland was a much different place then. Hitchiking was well in the past in the eastern US by that time. Now that I think about it, I haven’t seen anyone thumbing a lift in Ireland in years now.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Now there’s an inaptonym!
However Juan Corona looks like a Caucasian male.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Peripatetic Commenter, @Hippopotamusdrome
nah – pure mestizo:
So my point isn't necessarily that permissiveness is wholly responsible for serial murders, but that permissiveness and rootlessness present opportunities for the expression and duration of expression of violent psychopathy that otherwise would be mitigated by social bonds (both social bonds with the would-be killer and with the would-be victims).Replies: @syonredux
Along those lines, there seems to have been an eruption of serial murders in Weimar -era Germany:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Denke
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gro%C3%9Fmann
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_K%C3%BCrten
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Schumann
Hitchhiking was universal in Communist worker’s paradises, where few people had a car but every truck driver was your equal, and shows up in stiries like the Cuban Guantanamera or the Russian Vor or Werewolf Problem. I would not be surprised to learn that the DPRK is the big exception there although I’ve never looked into it. In the Soviet Union it was very normal and travel guides talked about how safe it was.
If you knew an Anglo whose given name was Christmas, you’d assume they were gay or a stripper.
https://www.kubikbooks.com/pictures/medium/142719.jpg?v=1502741965Replies: @J.Ross
i would also guess serial killing is in decline in the US, but that's mainly due to it becoming harder and harder to get away with it. budding serial killers get caught after a few kills now.
still extremely sparse reporting on samuel little, possibly the most prolific serial killer of all time in the US, and i don't expect that to change much. he was vibrant, so books and magazine covers and 60 minute specials about him won't be greenlit. no breathless reporting on how he killed over 90 people across 40 years in every state. imagine if samuel little looked like a frat boy during his younger days though. my god. the coverage. imagine, if you will, if he looked like haven monahan.
i'm less convinced serial killing is in decline outside the US. i would guess there are several serial killers active in latin america and eastern europe, at the minimum.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lugash, @Desiderius, @Alden
I don’t think his vibrant nature is the cause of the under-reporting. Serial killers have been replaced by spree killers in the media’s(and public’s) imagination. Even the Golden State Killer, who was a white cop murdering sympathetic white victims and got caught using novel forensic methods has faded from view.
I’ve barely heard of Juan Corona and I’m pretty knowledgeable about serial killers.
I think we’re going to see a few more elderly prolific SKs picked up by familial DNA, but otherwise it’s over. The Murder Accountability Project is using Big Data to get some active ones as well.
this guy was national news for an entire month after they arrested him. he got 1 hour specials on network television.
i'm surprised a regular poster at unz.com thinks that the identity of the serial killer doesn't play into how interested the television media is in covering them. it's not a surprise that you weren't familiar with juan corona, for example. i wasn't either, but i'm not an expert on these guys. but i've been aware for years that the news media ignored the vibrant ones. one of the last ones, the cleveland strangler, there was not much coverage outside of ohio.
"The gas chamber is unncessarily dangerous to its operators and others in its vicinity."
the gas chamber and all other execution methods could easily be replaced with the nitrogen chamber, or some other inert gas. i'm not sure this would even be painful. i'm under the impression something like a helium chamber would not be. the pain is from carbon dioxide building up in your body. if you just breathed nitrogen or helium, you'd simply pass out eventually, and then your neurons would die after 10 or 15 minutes.
or, you could simply put people in water, the most simple and least expensive way. bad way to go for the people going, though.Replies: @Mr McKenna
One of Lovecraft’s young disciples (Harold Wandrei, if I recall correctly) hitch-hiked his way from Minnesota to Rhode Island back in the early ’30s in order to see the Master. No one back then seemed to find it remarkable.
Somewhat related: A Nebraska county just lost its appeal on a compensation payment ordered for several exonerated people who had been wrongly convicted of a brutal gang rape and murder (the real killer here was white). The men and women fell victim to an out-of-control forensic examiner*, who was shown to have wrongly impugned others.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-rejects-nebraska-county-appeal-over-28m-145026202--politics.html
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_Six
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https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Gilchrist
The popular mass media myth of the serial killer happens to require a white nerd and is self-explanatorily useful in distracting people from the boring but far more real and frequent incidences of violent black crime.
Mr. Stix references his earlier writing in the last article linked-to above:Thank you, Michelle Malkin, not just for the CPAC speech.Replies: @J.Ross, @Brutusale
This wonderfully apropo movie should be mandatory viewing for all Illinois school children to educate them on “corruption” in Second City. (Also, one of the songs has “Old Darkie” if you listen carefully.)
Twenty four shock treatments. You could have shoved a lightbulb in his butt and used him as a night light. But one shock treatment from old “Sparky” and the problem would have been solved. Some people should be removed from society, and I don’t mean incarcerated.
Kansas had hanging as the method, and given the right facilities that works too. The gas chamber is unncessarily dangerous to its operators and others in its vicinity. Lethal injection would be OK except that leftists and medical suppliers have been successful at gumming up the works.
The federal government should declare execution pharmaceuticals outside FDA regulation and specifically create safe harbor laws enabling states to use proven veterinary euthanizing agents, which are cheap, or massive overdoses of confiscated contraband opioids.
Kansas has a death penalty but has not actually used it since the In Cold Blood murders circa 1965. The state legislature has chosen to drag its feet because there are a lot of cucks in Johnson County and a bunch of Anabaptist type thinkers in Western Kansas in the Leg. The Carr brothers will die of old age, probably in prison, but they might get paroled in thirty or forty years.
Christmas Humphreys wasn’t either of those.
He was Britain’s top Buddhist in his time. Buddhists aren’t strippers, Protestants are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Denke
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gro%C3%9Fmann
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_K%C3%BCrten
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_SchumannReplies: @Anonymous
Is there a relationship between ethnic background and serial killers behavioral profile ? It seems that the vast majority of cannibal serial killers are ethnic Germans.
There's the whole nudity thing, and then, if you believe the Daily Mail, they have a huge population of beasties. Recently, I read a big expose of the German prostitution industry. Pretty sick.
Any Germans reading this feel free to completely contradict me. Please.
10 Gruesome Cases Of Cannibalism In Modern-Day America
In the 1980s, I found hitching easy in Germany and the UK, but quite difficult in Scandinavia.
https://www.kubikbooks.com/pictures/medium/142719.jpg?v=1502741965Replies: @J.Ross
I heard somewhere that as they were trying to appraise and restore historical English churches after the Blitz, they found pagan altars underneath the overt ones. That would be generally consistent with a wider practice of Christianizers maintaining the location of worship centers (The Spanish in the New World would build cathedrals on top of pyramids) but the wierd claim here was that these churches were not old enough. Is that book related to this idea?
Initially Ted Bundy was convicted only of a violent assault, I think, although he was suspected of multiple killings, even dozens. After his second escape he was caught 1978 in Florida far from northwest where he committed his crimes. He drove stolen vehicle, didn’t tell who he was, so they kept him locked up until he was forced to reveal his identity.
It’s amazing that the police or public in Florida and probably all over the US didn’t know who Ted Bundy was. Handsome guy was suspected of killings of attractive young females, he boldly escapes and almost no media coverage nationally. This is hard to understand from today’s perspective.
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Wilder
However Juan Corona looks like a Caucasian male.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Peripatetic Commenter, @Hippopotamusdrome
So, you have not seen many Caucasian males have you, or are you thinking of those only from the Caucasus?
The electric chair does have a certain elegance to it.
Kansas had hanging as the method, and given the right facilities that works too. The gas chamber is unncessarily dangerous to its operators and others in its vicinity. Lethal injection would be OK except that leftists and medical suppliers have been successful at gumming up the works.
The federal government should declare execution pharmaceuticals outside FDA regulation and specifically create safe harbor laws enabling states to use proven veterinary euthanizing agents, which are cheap, or massive overdoses of confiscated contraband opioids.
Kansas has a death penalty but has not actually used it since the In Cold Blood murders circa 1965. The state legislature has chosen to drag its feet because there are a lot of cucks in Johnson County and a bunch of Anabaptist type thinkers in Western Kansas in the Leg. The Carr brothers will die of old age, probably in prison, but they might get paroled in thirty or forty years.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-rejects-nebraska-county-appeal-over-28m-145026202--politics.html
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_Six
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The popular mass media myth of the serial killer happens to require a white nerd and is self-explanatorily useful in distracting people from the boring but far more real and frequent incidences of violent black crime.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon
Hey, it’s kind of weird, but the Michelle Malkin video above (seen it, very good speech) reminded me that didn’t she have a number of articles about this shoddy forensics by the AA hire shown? I will try to find the columns later, if no one chimes in.
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Yes, here it is. "Black Magic" Gilchrist (who earned that nickname for her non-reproducible science) was in Nebraska and this one is Oklahoma.https://vdare.com/articles/michelle-malkin-daniel-holtzclaw-and-pyongyang-on-the-prairie-part-2
As with so many things in the seventies “Serial Killers” came out of San Francisco.
The Zodiac Killer oferred plot satisfaction because he got the celebrity killer taunting the police with letters thing started. Dirty Harry was after a thinly disguised Zodiac ” Scorpio”. Pauline Kael famously called the film “fascist”.
In the seventies quite a few mass murderers did the letters to the cops thin, g BTK did and so did the Original Night Stalker (aka Golden State Killer), who going back to the same neighborhoods again and again actually called the cops and said he was going to strike on Watts Avenue and was spotted masked and cycling across the large Watts Ave bridge there and hours later he was spotted again and evaded a cop in a foot-chase. He even wrote a poem and left it for them
He was what they call an organised offender, and these tend to be white men it seems.
I don’t think people thought hitchhiking was safer that it actually was in the 70 at all, but there was more acceptance of risk, eg the average amusement park was a death trap by todays standards and in NCY just off Times Square was so dangerous and relatively unpoliced the occasional cop told tourists she encountered to leave the area immediately. Especially in California people knew hitchhiking was risky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeway_Killer
(actually three separate 70s California gay serial killers who left over a hundred of bodies strewn around) Anyway it is notable they all possessed above average intelligence and two worked in quite a high level in computers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Christie_(murderer)Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Bizarre– I mentioned Christmas Humphreys in reply to J Ross. Humphreys was the prosecutor who had Timothy Evans wrongly hanged for a murder committed by Christie.
As a judge, though, Humphreys was often Christmas for criminals, Britain’s “Let ’em loose Bruce”. He gave a suspended sentence to a black teen convicted of two rapes. Maybe he felt guilty for his earlier mistakes. On the other hand, as a Buddhist he would have known of the idea of reincarnation, so perhaps it didn’t matter to him how accurate his decisions were. Alan Watts was skeptical about personal survival, and Humphreys was a mentor, so maybe, maybe not.
According to Wikipedia,
For Timothy Evans to be innocent, he would have had to have believed his wife died in an illegal abortion by Christie gone wrong, and then left his live 18 month old daughter with Christie and fled on Christie's advice, then came back and asked to see his daughter and thought nothing much of Christie having refused to let him see his own daughter. Then on being confronted with the evidence that his daughter as well as his wife were dead, and both had been strangled, Evans would have had to confess to murdering his own daughter, as well as his wife.
Evan's action in leaving London for Wales was that of a guilty man guilty of more than his wife dying in an illegal abortion that was not even by him, and if he was innocent of murdering his wife (who he used to furiously argue with about money) he quite likely was not innocent of murdering his 14 months' old daughter. There were workmen in the building during the events and the timings, and Evans own statements that the baby kept him awake with its non stop screaming evidence points to Evans' killing Geraldine his own little daughter to shut her up. It beggars belief that there were two murderers independently at work in the same house within days I know, but that is probabally what happened.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
You mean he didn’t make cigars?
It's amazing that the police or public in Florida and probably all over the US didn't know who Ted Bundy was. Handsome guy was suspected of killings of attractive young females, he boldly escapes and almost no media coverage nationally. This is hard to understand from today's perspective.Replies: @J.Ross
There was a similar guy shortly after, a tall, handsome, highly intelligent Australian who came to Florida and set up as a fashion photographer, and did a lot of long-distance driving. His case is interesting because he suffered a near-drowning early in life which may have damaged his brain and contributed to his later behavior.
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Wilder
I don’t know if it’s the same one, but she was focusing on an abysmal municipal law enforcement staff that was railroading a probably-good half-Asian cop at the height of the BLM thing, in the prairie states, and I thought the bad bureaucrat in that case was a white female.
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Yes, here it is. “Black Magic” Gilchrist (who earned that nickname for her non-reproducible science) was in Nebraska and this one is Oklahoma.
https://vdare.com/articles/michelle-malkin-daniel-holtzclaw-and-pyongyang-on-the-prairie-part-2
Just a hard working immigrant doing the serial killing Americans won’t do!
Funny that Düsseldorf and Hanover both had vampires at around the same time.
Obligatory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_(1931_film)
I've barely heard of Juan Corona and I'm pretty knowledgeable about serial killers.I think we're going to see a few more elderly prolific SKs picked up by familial DNA, but otherwise it's over. The Murder Accountability Project is using Big Data to get some active ones as well.Replies: @prime noticer
“Even the Golden State Killer, who was a white cop murdering sympathetic white victims and got caught using novel forensic methods has faded from view.”
this guy was national news for an entire month after they arrested him. he got 1 hour specials on network television.
i’m surprised a regular poster at unz.com thinks that the identity of the serial killer doesn’t play into how interested the television media is in covering them. it’s not a surprise that you weren’t familiar with juan corona, for example. i wasn’t either, but i’m not an expert on these guys. but i’ve been aware for years that the news media ignored the vibrant ones. one of the last ones, the cleveland strangler, there was not much coverage outside of ohio.
“The gas chamber is unncessarily dangerous to its operators and others in its vicinity.”
the gas chamber and all other execution methods could easily be replaced with the nitrogen chamber, or some other inert gas. i’m not sure this would even be painful. i’m under the impression something like a helium chamber would not be. the pain is from carbon dioxide building up in your body. if you just breathed nitrogen or helium, you’d simply pass out eventually, and then your neurons would die after 10 or 15 minutes.
or, you could simply put people in water, the most simple and least expensive way. bad way to go for the people going, though.
> His half-brother, Natividad, who was gay
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Natividad
Etymology
natividad (“birthday”), shortened from María (de la) Natividad, a Roman Catholic epithet of the Virgin Mary, often given to someone born on her birthday.
Proper noun
Natividad f
A female given name.
This is something liberal whites really need to care about, end of day they are really into that whole civic virtue crap, increase in corruption from increase in south asians in America will corrode that very quickly.Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous
Liberal whites also care a lot about gender inequality and sex-harassment. The increase in these things due to immigration hasn’t caused them to oppose immigration, just to screech ever-louder about whites who do these things.
IIRC, the police strongly suspected this guy was the killer, but had no evidence against him, so arrested and locked him up on minor unrelated charges. The killings stopped. That’s strong circumstantial evidence, but not conclusive.
Speaking of Mexican serial killers….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Guerrero_(serial_killer)
Mexican terrorist? Serial killer? Perhaps both?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felipe_Espinosa
Seemed pretty significant. I remember thinking that this could tell us a lot of what homosexuality is and that someone sooner or later would address it, even in a careful, roundabout way. But nobody has and I feel like the keeper of the most arcane of arcane knowledge.Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr McKenna
There used to be a “LGBT murderers” category on Wikipedia but it was deleted.
Timothy Evans was hanged for the murder of his wife Beryl and his infant daughter Geraldine partly as a result of him confessing to both. Years later Christie confessed to the murder of Evan’s wife and several other murders, but Christie never confessed to the murder of Evans daughter.
For Timothy Evans to be innocent, he would have had to have believed his wife died in an illegal abortion by Christie gone wrong, and then left his live 18 month old daughter with Christie and fled on Christie’s advice, then came back and asked to see his daughter and thought nothing much of Christie having refused to let him see his own daughter. Then on being confronted with the evidence that his daughter as well as his wife were dead, and both had been strangled, Evans would have had to confess to murdering his own daughter, as well as his wife.
Evan’s action in leaving London for Wales was that of a guilty man guilty of more than his wife dying in an illegal abortion that was not even by him, and if he was innocent of murdering his wife (who he used to furiously argue with about money) he quite likely was not innocent of murdering his 14 months’ old daughter. There were workmen in the building during the events and the timings, and Evans own statements that the baby kept him awake with its non stop screaming evidence points to Evans’ killing Geraldine his own little daughter to shut her up. It beggars belief that there were two murderers independently at work in the same house within days I know, but that is probabally what happened.
Obligatory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_(1931_film)Replies: @Sean
Don’t forget the coincidence of the Sacramento Vampire, living on Watt Avenue when the Original Night Stalker/ Golden State Killer was cycling back and forth on that street in his mask in the early hours during his East Area Rapist period. One the ultimate organised offender and the other the ultimate disorganized offender.
In his book “The Fox and the Flies: The World of Joseph Silver, Racketeer and Psychopath” (London: Jonathan Cape, 2007), Charles van Onselen claimed that Jack the Ripper was Joseph Silver, a J-wish man from Kielce, in Poland. He makes a convincing case, though the evidence is all circumstantial. The book recounts Silver’s career, from his childhood in Poland to his disappearance in 1918. Even if van Onselen is incorrect in identifying Silver as Jack, the book is fascinating for its portrait of the J-wish criminals from Eastern Europe, who took advantage of the open societies of the West, and established criminal networks that operated in Europe, the USA, South Africa and Latin America.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-chief-of-staff-ran-slush-fund-funneled-over-1-million-in-campaign-donations-to-his-own-companies/Replies: @indocon, @The Alarmist
But he’s a PoC and not a serial killer (at least as far as we know), so it’s all good.
No discussion of this sort should fail to include Carl Eugene Watts. And what about Wayne Williams? And the Zebra Killers? You guys are trippin’.
Michigan found a witness to a murder Watts was suspected of and convicted him in 2004. Watts died in prison of prostate cancer in 2007.
They say that it was during the last days of the Republic, when the prophetic thundering of Cicerone from Queens had left the Senate floor in a tremble:
“…They’re not sending their best…”
“…They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists…”
“…And some, I assume, are good ”
However Juan Corona looks like a Caucasian male.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Peripatetic Commenter, @Hippopotamusdrome
LOL. Not quite:
Juan Corona, California serial killer convicted of killing 25 farmworkers, is again denied parole
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agricultureReplies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jim Christian, @syonredux, @syonredux, @J.Ross, @Alec Leamas, @gate666, @Mr. Anon, @syonredux, @David In TN
a poor article by sailer.
The boats. On pay per view only, of course. And to anyone who thinks that's barbaric, I say no. What's really barbaric is requiring taxpayerd to pay for feeding, housing and otherwise supporting these proven threats to members of society for years, even decades.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
“The boats. On pay per view only, of course.”
And put everyone who pays to watch it (excepting victims’ families) on a police database of sadists – a twofer.
A police database for sadists? Really?
You're missing the point. Certainty and severity of punishment are the two factors that have some possible deterrent effects on criminals.
And I believe serial killers victimize all of society, not just those they kill and their families. My friend was murdered when her husband went on a killing spree. I was very deeply affected by his actions even though he didn't harm me and I was not a family member.
Such murderers should be punished and they should be seen to be punished.
You and your ilk are part of the problem.
Unremarkable as American’s largest ancestry group is German. Even it’s President Drumpf has roots in Germany. Next thing you’re going to say is the majority of serial killers are white.
(Yes, Fritzl is Austrian, but was born shortly before Anschluss.)
Does anybody know the name of ethnicity of the "Sheffield incest case"? Maybe Germans aren't guiltier, just more open about it. Gein and Dahmer cooperated with police.Replies: @Kylie
“There used to be a “LGBT murderers” category on Wikipedia but it was deleted”
Dennis Nilsen, the Guardian reading chap, comes to mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Nilsen
Grindr and the web are making it easier to find victims, the popularity of BDSM makes it even easier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Port
Any wiki gurus here who can quasi-replicate the LGBT murderers? How can you do a search for categories “gay men” and “* serial killers”?
PS – I believe both Russia and France have a few serial killers which are joint, man-and-wife enterprise. In the UK we had the child killers Brady and Hindley, and more recently Fred and Rose West.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/horror-story-12312.html
When asked why he had killed them, he gave a rambling answer in which he called the victims “winos” and “creeps” who had been “trespassing.” It was the closest he ever came to saying why he did it. Prosecutors never offered a motive.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/obituaries/juan-corona-dead.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=Obituaries
This sort of thing goes on now:
Homeless man beaten into coma in Brooklyn
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uIcCV_1551532152
Most likely a Chinese ethnic group or gang was maintaining real estate values. They will probably rack up a significant body count. It is also why Americans will have trouble operating in certain businesses, they don’t have back up. Corona was extreme but good help is hard to find, and if you are an upstanding citizen you can’t exactly supervise your goons.
So, compare the number of Germans and non-Germans cannibals.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-rejects-nebraska-county-appeal-over-28m-145026202--politics.html
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_Six
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The popular mass media myth of the serial killer happens to require a white nerd and is self-explanatorily useful in distracting people from the boring but far more real and frequent incidences of violent black crime.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon
I do remember her helping the wrongly-convicted cop too, Mr. Ross and read the columns including the one you linked to. What I remembered was Lost, Buried, Burned—Oklahoma’s Rape Kit Scandal. This recent article refers back to Mrs. Malkin’s The Crisis in America’s Crime Labs from 2 years back, when she wrote about the AA-hire:
See also Nicholas Stix’s article Diversity Is Strength! It’s Also…Forensic Science Scandals about a number of forensic specialists that had people’s lives in their hands. People always mention surgeons and pilots, but how about the innocent people jailed for big pieces of their lives or executed due to your “affirmative action just for our own black people (and Indians)”, Steve Sailer?
Mr. Stix references his earlier writing in the last article linked-to above:
Thank you, Michelle Malkin, not just for the CPAC speech.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/03/05/manhunt-continues-for-dangerous-suspect-in-randolph-murder/
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agricultureReplies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jim Christian, @syonredux, @syonredux, @J.Ross, @Alec Leamas, @gate666, @Mr. Anon, @syonredux, @David In TN
To say nothing of those who were never caught: The Cleveland Torso Murderer, The New Orleans Axman, etc.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-rejects-nebraska-county-appeal-over-28m-145026202--politics.html
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_Six
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The popular mass media myth of the serial killer happens to require a white nerd and is self-explanatorily useful in distracting people from the boring but far more real and frequent incidences of violent black crime.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon
I believe that Law and Order based an episode on that case, substituting bogus fingerprint matches for bogus DNA matches. And – of course – they made the incompetent forensic specialist a white woman.
The blow up of hallucinogens being used probably has something to do with the rise of serial killers.
Well, Germans are really weird.
There’s the whole nudity thing, and then, if you believe the Daily Mail, they have a huge population of beasties. Recently, I read a big expose of the German prostitution industry. Pretty sick.
Any Germans reading this feel free to completely contradict me. Please.
i would also guess serial killing is in decline in the US, but that's mainly due to it becoming harder and harder to get away with it. budding serial killers get caught after a few kills now.
still extremely sparse reporting on samuel little, possibly the most prolific serial killer of all time in the US, and i don't expect that to change much. he was vibrant, so books and magazine covers and 60 minute specials about him won't be greenlit. no breathless reporting on how he killed over 90 people across 40 years in every state. imagine if samuel little looked like a frat boy during his younger days though. my god. the coverage. imagine, if you will, if he looked like haven monahan.
i'm less convinced serial killing is in decline outside the US. i would guess there are several serial killers active in latin america and eastern europe, at the minimum.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lugash, @Desiderius, @Alden
That’s the unstated theme of Bill James’ The Man From the Train.
Some of these boys were just takin’ out the trash, you know, e.g., Nikolay Radkevich (Russia) & Willy Pickton (Kanuckistan).
“Radkevich decided that vocation of his whole life is the purification of the world from depraved women. “ from wikipedia.
Willy Pickton is probably unique in the annals of garbage disposal. He was co-founder of the Piggy Palace Good Times Society, registered as a nonprofit charity with the Kanuckistani government. On March 10, 2004, the government revealed that Pickton may have ground up human flesh and mixed it with pork that he sold to the public; the province’s health authority later issued a warning. Another claim was made that he fed the bodies (mostly hos) directly to his pigs.
Cite needed.
For Timothy Evans to be innocent, he would have had to have believed his wife died in an illegal abortion by Christie gone wrong, and then left his live 18 month old daughter with Christie and fled on Christie's advice, then came back and asked to see his daughter and thought nothing much of Christie having refused to let him see his own daughter. Then on being confronted with the evidence that his daughter as well as his wife were dead, and both had been strangled, Evans would have had to confess to murdering his own daughter, as well as his wife.
Evan's action in leaving London for Wales was that of a guilty man guilty of more than his wife dying in an illegal abortion that was not even by him, and if he was innocent of murdering his wife (who he used to furiously argue with about money) he quite likely was not innocent of murdering his 14 months' old daughter. There were workmen in the building during the events and the timings, and Evans own statements that the baby kept him awake with its non stop screaming evidence points to Evans' killing Geraldine his own little daughter to shut her up. It beggars belief that there were two murderers independently at work in the same house within days I know, but that is probabally what happened.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Apparently the Evans family is more active on Wikipedia edits than the Christies. Welsh vs Scot, too.
I’ve noticed, too, that Germans, at home and abroad, appear overrepresented in the weirder and more planned-out sex crimes– Gein, Corll, Dahmer, Meiwes, Fritzl, etc. Maybe it’s a reaction to anal retentivity.
(Yes, Fritzl is Austrian, but was born shortly before Anschluss.)
Does anybody know the name of ethnicity of the “Sheffield incest case”? Maybe Germans aren’t guiltier, just more open about it. Gein and Dahmer cooperated with police.
Both were victims of horrendous parenting. Gein's mother was a religious fanatic and extreme misogynist. Dahmer was neglected to the point that his parents moved away when he was in high school and left him behind. I'm not excusing their crimes but neither seemed motivated by sadistic impulses like, say, Ted Bundy. Park Dietz, who interviewed Dahmer, admitted to liking him. Gein, once apprehended, was meekly amiable.
In a weird way, both Gein, who killed apparently so he could make a human coat resembling his deceased mother, and Dahmer, who wanted the companionship of "sex zombies", were motivated at least in part by extreme isolation and loneliness.Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden, @Johann Ricke
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agricultureReplies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jim Christian, @syonredux, @syonredux, @J.Ross, @Alec Leamas, @gate666, @Mr. Anon, @syonredux, @David In TN
Interesting to note that the Thames Torso Murders occurred at roughly the same time as Jack’s more celebrated killings…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Torso_Murders_of_1887%E2%80%931889
It was a match for Aaron Kamenski polish jewish insane immigrant. He’d been hospitalized before. He’d attacked women before. As soon as he was locked up in an asylum the Ripper murders stopped.
Unlike Corona, Kamenski was never released so no more victimsReplies: @syonredux, @Anonymous
I hitchiked all over Ireland in the early eighties. It was commonplace there and then. There’d be a little knot of young people gathered where the main roads left town. The girls always got picked up first.
I never sensed even a whiff of danger, but Ireland was a much different place then. Hitchiking was well in the past in the eastern US by that time. Now that I think about it, I haven’t seen anyone thumbing a lift in Ireland in years now.
It was the Nation of Islam, as well an an offshoot in the East Bay area in Northern California.
https://thezebraproject.blogspot.com/
The Zodiac Killer oferred plot satisfaction because he got the celebrity killer taunting the police with letters thing started. Dirty Harry was after a thinly disguised Zodiac " Scorpio". Pauline Kael famously called the film "fascist".
In the seventies quite a few mass murderers did the letters to the cops thin, g BTK did and so did the Original Night Stalker (aka Golden State Killer), who going back to the same neighborhoods again and again actually called the cops and said he was going to strike on Watts Avenue and was spotted masked and cycling across the large Watts Ave bridge there and hours later he was spotted again and evaded a cop in a foot-chase. He even wrote a poem and left it for themHe was what they call an organised offender, and these tend to be white men it seems.
I don't think people thought hitchhiking was safer that it actually was in the 70 at all, but there was more acceptance of risk, eg the average amusement park was a death trap by todays standards and in NCY just off Times Square was so dangerous and relatively unpoliced the occasional cop told tourists she encountered to leave the area immediately. Especially in California people knew hitchhiking was risky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeway_Killer
(actually three separate 70s California gay serial killers who left over a hundred of bodies strewn around) Anyway it is notable they all possessed above average intelligence and two worked in quite a high level in computers.Replies: @Pericles
Awful book as it happens, but least the author died in a funny way.
Building false memories is, after all, the purpose of Law and Order.
Also, accepting rather than culling degenerates.
I haven’t read it, but I understand it argues that the Reformation was un-English, and that the common people had been especially Marian. Indeed, Mary remained the top girl’s name in the English-speaking world until quite recently.
My grandfather once said that “this country doesn’t have the gumption to stand a man up against a wall and shoot him.” I was appalled at the time, but he was absolutely right.
(Yes, Fritzl is Austrian, but was born shortly before Anschluss.)
Does anybody know the name of ethnicity of the "Sheffield incest case"? Maybe Germans aren't guiltier, just more open about it. Gein and Dahmer cooperated with police.Replies: @Kylie
“Gein and Dahmer cooperated with police.”
Both were victims of horrendous parenting. Gein’s mother was a religious fanatic and extreme misogynist. Dahmer was neglected to the point that his parents moved away when he was in high school and left him behind. I’m not excusing their crimes but neither seemed motivated by sadistic impulses like, say, Ted Bundy. Park Dietz, who interviewed Dahmer, admitted to liking him. Gein, once apprehended, was meekly amiable.
In a weird way, both Gein, who killed apparently so he could make a human coat resembling his deceased mother, and Dahmer, who wanted the companionship of “sex zombies”, were motivated at least in part by extreme isolation and loneliness.
I'd suggest you read Lionel Dahmer's memoir. There's no indication of anything horrendous, before or after Dahmer's parents divorced. Lots of family situations are abrasive and unsatisfying for various parties. Doesn't generate many serial killers. Dahmer's younger brother isn't known to have comitted any crimes.Replies: @Kylie
I know people who wished their parents would have moved away and left them when they were in high school.
There was a documentary about Dahmer He killed animals and had sadistic fantasies as a young child.Replies: @Kylie
My impression is that many serial killers were born bad to the bone. Upon apprehension, they will tell all kinds of fairy tales, with themselves as put-upon victims to questioners because it's a way to get a lighter sentence or even a stint in a mental institution from which they can one day walk free.Replies: @Alden
If your argument was that serial killing wasn’t a thing before muh 60s permissiveness, I must disagree. Violent psychopathy is likely older than agricultureReplies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jim Christian, @syonredux, @syonredux, @J.Ross, @Alec Leamas, @gate666, @Mr. Anon, @syonredux, @David In TN
Serial killers weren’t given much press before the 1960’s.
Rodney Alcala, who is on Death Row for about the fourth time, is 75. It seems the worse the murder(s) committed, the longer the murderer’s “life” sentence lasts. Manson lived over 47 years in prison after being arrested for the Tate-Labianca murders.
Alcala was born in San Antonio, lived part of his childhood in Mexico.
Mr. Stix references his earlier writing in the last article linked-to above:Thank you, Michelle Malkin, not just for the CPAC speech.Replies: @J.Ross, @Brutusale
Yes, for years there was this big propaganda build-up of The Forensic Pathologist, detouring with the Burbs and climaxing with CSI. It’s a reminder that anything the mainstream media builds up is probably overblown or poisonous.
Speaking of Watts, he is the only “known” serial killer ever to get a parole date. Due to his plea bargain, the state of Texas was going to have to release him.
Michigan found a witness to a murder Watts was suspected of and convicted him in 2004. Watts died in prison of prostate cancer in 2007.
Rodney Alcala, who is on Death Row for about the fourth time, is 75. It seems the worse the murder(s) committed, the longer the murderer's "life" sentence lasts. Manson lived over 47 years in prison after being arrested for the Tate-Labianca murders.
Alcala was born in San Antonio, lived part of his childhood in Mexico.Replies: @J.Ross
I am inclined to think it was an objectively less frequent phenomenon which at its least extant received as much hysterical hype as could be squeezed into it. Maniac killers were a staple of movies and novels. Something different in frequency and quality happened in California in the late sixties through the seventies, and that different thing became our modern understanding. It also seems to be objectively less common now thanks to the panopticon and universal phones.
I think at one point a Baltic state established that prostitution in their country was one hundred per cent Jewish controlled. This is a common weak point of theirs: as a people they’re a small minority and as people they’re control freaks, so they will hyper-consolidate, co-opt, corner and homogenize, enabling their enemies to blame them for crimes that elsewhere are never thought of as having a specific source.
South Asia, including both India and Pakistan, are perhaps where least amount of social capital exists. I am sure you have heard of horrific sexual violence stories from there like this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape
To me coming from there, the more shocking part was that this poor couple lay on the side of a busy road next to Delhi airport for hours before any passer by noticed them!! This is lack of social capital. Even Mexico and Arab countries are not that bad.
Why do I say this, well to answer your question on how South Asians view corruption differently than white Americans, because of where they come from, South Asians tend to develop this mentality of milking the system as much as possible all rules be dammed. You see this in medicine where South Asians are perhaps the most overrepresented group in the list of doctors who are caught cheating Medicare. So yes my friend, South Asians are helluva lot more corrupt on average than your regular white American.
Both were victims of horrendous parenting. Gein's mother was a religious fanatic and extreme misogynist. Dahmer was neglected to the point that his parents moved away when he was in high school and left him behind. I'm not excusing their crimes but neither seemed motivated by sadistic impulses like, say, Ted Bundy. Park Dietz, who interviewed Dahmer, admitted to liking him. Gein, once apprehended, was meekly amiable.
In a weird way, both Gein, who killed apparently so he could make a human coat resembling his deceased mother, and Dahmer, who wanted the companionship of "sex zombies", were motivated at least in part by extreme isolation and loneliness.Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden, @Johann Ricke
Both were victims of horrendous parenting.
I’d suggest you read Lionel Dahmer’s memoir. There’s no indication of anything horrendous, before or after Dahmer’s parents divorced. Lots of family situations are abrasive and unsatisfying for various parties. Doesn’t generate many serial killers. Dahmer’s younger brother isn’t known to have comitted any crimes.
Lol! As if the memoir of the father of an infamous serial killer/necrophiliac/cannibal would be other than self-serving.
The documentary I saw stressed the isolation in which Dahmer grew up. When I say "horrendous", I mean extreme isolation, which I understand both Gein and Dahmer experienced in childhood. My father beat us kids with a belt whenever he got angry. It was miserable but I'd rather experience that than what I've read of Gein and Dahmer's childhoods.
And I'm not excusing their crimes. Both should have been executed. I am saying that extreme isolation results in a kind of emotional deprivation that's very damaging. Obviously some personalities are too vulnerable, fragile or otherwise flawed to cope with it in a more or less healthy manner.Replies: @Art Deco
Only slightly off topic, Steve, but did you happen to catch any of the miniseries “I Am the Night” that just wrapped up?
It’s chock-full of Sailer-bait: In the late 1940s, a prominent Los Angeles family gives a white baby girl to a single black woman to raise. When the girl, who grows up thinking she’s mixed, learns who her family is, she tracks them down in L.A. on the eve of the Watts riots. Her grandfather is George Hodel, an eccentric doctor who was the suspected killer in the Black Dahlia murder. Hilarity ensues!
There’s architecture, too. Hodel lived in the Snowden House in Los Feliz, which was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright’s son. It has everything you could want but golf course design.
Chris Pine stars as an (I’m guessing fictional) antihero journalist who covered another Hodel scandal in the 1940s.
Overall, it’s good TV, not great. But I’m sure you’d have an interesting take.
Dr Hodel was tried for incest child moleststion with his daughter. He was acquitted. A couple months later daughter had a baby. Who has most access to daughters?
According to detective Hodel Dr Hodel was sadistic child beater. He had a whipping chamber in the basement. There was an entire ritual. An accusation of misbehavior, a trial the sentence and then the slow march to the basement to be whipped.
Obviously detective Hodel hated Dr Hodel.
The quite enjoyable Netflix series Mindhunter follows two FBI agents in the Bureau’s Behavioral Scences division (one a plucky Roomie, the other a grizzled Veteran – yes it’s peak Buddy Cop) in the 60s as they slowly grapple with the reality that the US is crawling with Serial (or as they first call them, “sequence”) Killers. It never quite puts its finger on it, but most of the killers they encounter, including fictionalized encounters with real killers, seem to grow out of the children being motherless/fatherless.
Bold mine. But let's take a look at the names of his victims:
Sigurd Emil Beiermann
John Raggio Smallwood
Mark Beverly Shields
Joe Carriveau
Raymond Reand Muchache
Kenneth Edward Whiteacre
Melford Everett Sample
Charles Cleveland Fleming
John Joseph Haluka
Warren Jerome Kelley
Donald Dale Smith
William Emery Kamp
Elbert J.T. Riley
Paul Buel Allen
Clarence Hocking
James Wylie Howard
Edward Martin Cupp
Albert Leon Hayes
John Henry Jackson
Lloyd Wallace Wenzel
Joseph J. Maczak
4 unidentified
This list reads like a Grapes of Wrath movie extras list. I suppose they were "migrants" from the rural depressed US South, but they were not migrants in the way wikipedia intends the reader to believe.
If we assume the 4 unidentified are actually Mexican aliens, because they had no identification, that leaves one identified victim who has an unquestionably Spanish name.
The rest were most likely white men. Not exactly forgiving to the narrative.Replies: @wilpattuHouse, @Alden
Some his victims were black as I remember. They followed the harvests. None were the age of the 1930s Oklahoma immigrants.
The news stories at the time went on endlessly about his motive and why oh why did this happen.? I don’t remember anything about his insanity.
There was a sick joke at the time. His motive was that he didn’t want to pay his workers so he killed them.
Hispanic activists never marched demonstrated or tried to defend him the way blacks were doing at the time. They are better than blacks
The victim list is proof that there are jobs that Americans will do.
Both were victims of horrendous parenting. Gein's mother was a religious fanatic and extreme misogynist. Dahmer was neglected to the point that his parents moved away when he was in high school and left him behind. I'm not excusing their crimes but neither seemed motivated by sadistic impulses like, say, Ted Bundy. Park Dietz, who interviewed Dahmer, admitted to liking him. Gein, once apprehended, was meekly amiable.
In a weird way, both Gein, who killed apparently so he could make a human coat resembling his deceased mother, and Dahmer, who wanted the companionship of "sex zombies", were motivated at least in part by extreme isolation and loneliness.Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden, @Johann Ricke
You mean Dahmer couldn’t find gay lovers or one night stands who wanted to be killed and eaten. That would cause sex frustration and loneliness.
I know people who wished their parents would have moved away and left them when they were in high school.
There was a documentary about Dahmer He killed animals and had sadistic fantasies as a young child.
I'm not excusing his crimes. However people like him got to be the way they are is irrelevant. They're irreparably damaged and incurably dangerous. They should be permanently removed from society by execution.Replies: @J.Ross
Scotland Yard kept all the clothing of the victims. Knife attackers often cut themselves. Descendants of suspects gave DNA. Their DNA was compared to the DNA in the blood on the clothes.
It was a match for Aaron Kamenski polish jewish insane immigrant. He’d been hospitalized before. He’d attacked women before. As soon as he was locked up in an asylum the Ripper murders stopped.
Unlike Corona, Kamenski was never released so no more victims
Herman Mudgett aka HH Holmes killed numerous people in Chicago in the 1890s. He had a torture murder crematorium
set up in a commercial building he owned.
Would it still be on InfoGalactic?
He killed about 800 boys. His parents died young and he was raised by a truly vicious grandfather. They were big landowners. De Rais kidnapped his wife. She and her sister were heiresses to one of the biggest estates in France. Not joining but lots of holdings. Parents dead girls lords of the manor. One was out riding accompanied by many of her soldiers and ladies.
De Rais and his men attackef and kidnapped her. They were married as soon as he got her back to his castle and grandfather. De Rais held a knife to the priests throat. Grandfather held a knife to the wife’s throat during the hasty ceremony. A few days later the priest was found floating in the river with his head bashed in.
De Rais and wife never lived together. She managed their numerous castles and estates. He took control of her soldiers and knights. Thus had one of the biggest private armies in France.
The murders were well known. But during the 100 year’s war neithe the King of France or England had authority over the De Rais and adjoining territory.
It really was bandit anarchy
Finally the church stepped in and convicted and executed him for the crime of witchcraft and satanism; sodomony snd murder of allegedly 800 young boys.
Soon the gays will make De Rais a victim of witch hunts the inquisition bigotry bias etc.
It's chock-full of Sailer-bait: In the late 1940s, a prominent Los Angeles family gives a white baby girl to a single black woman to raise. When the girl, who grows up thinking she's mixed, learns who her family is, she tracks them down in L.A. on the eve of the Watts riots. Her grandfather is George Hodel, an eccentric doctor who was the suspected killer in the Black Dahlia murder. Hilarity ensues!
There's architecture, too. Hodel lived in the Snowden House in Los Feliz, which was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright's son. It has everything you could want but golf course design.
Chris Pine stars as an (I'm guessing fictional) antihero journalist who covered another Hodel scandal in the 1940s.
Overall, it's good TV, not great. But I'm sure you'd have an interesting take.Replies: @Alden
I read the book by Hodel’s son, a Los Angeles police detective. He claims his father was the infamous killer of Elizabeth Short known as the Black Dahlia.
Dr Hodel was tried for incest child moleststion with his daughter. He was acquitted. A couple months later daughter had a baby. Who has most access to daughters?
According to detective Hodel Dr Hodel was sadistic child beater. He had a whipping chamber in the basement. There was an entire ritual. An accusation of misbehavior, a trial the sentence and then the slow march to the basement to be whipped.
Obviously detective Hodel hated Dr Hodel.
Both were victims of horrendous parenting. Gein's mother was a religious fanatic and extreme misogynist. Dahmer was neglected to the point that his parents moved away when he was in high school and left him behind. I'm not excusing their crimes but neither seemed motivated by sadistic impulses like, say, Ted Bundy. Park Dietz, who interviewed Dahmer, admitted to liking him. Gein, once apprehended, was meekly amiable.
In a weird way, both Gein, who killed apparently so he could make a human coat resembling his deceased mother, and Dahmer, who wanted the companionship of "sex zombies", were motivated at least in part by extreme isolation and loneliness.Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden, @Johann Ricke
Plenty of people have bad parents. A minuscule number (not even a rounding error) become serial killers. Criminologists tend to talk about how they were all subjected to corporal punishment. The idea propounded here is that if you beat your kids, they will become serial killers. Maybe they have causation reversed. Maybe they were beaten because they were little Beelzebubs when they were kids. Note that many of the school mass killers (including the one in Florida) were pampered by their parents.
My impression is that many serial killers were born bad to the bone. Upon apprehension, they will tell all kinds of fairy tales, with themselves as put-upon victims to questioners because it’s a way to get a lighter sentence or even a stint in a mental institution from which they can one day walk free.
Fraudian psychiatry is one of the worst ideas of the last 1,000 years.
It got into the criminal justice system in the 1930s. Those Fraudians went so far as to blame not breast feeding and potty training for criminal behavior.
It was Aaron Kosminskii. He was the chief suspect. He’d attacked women before with knives. He had spent time in a mental hospital but was out again
Scotland Yard kept all the women’s clothes. Knife attackers often cut themselves
When DNA became reliable descendants of suspects were asked to give DNA. The DNA on the clothes was taken. Some DNA blood on the shawl of Catherine Eddowes matched the DNA of Kosminski’s relative.
There’s a massive effort to cover it up. Maybe some other woman just left her shawl lying at the scene of the murder. It was some other Kosminski. The DNA analysis was flawed , on and on At least there are no accusations of anti Semitic yet.
Juan Corona, California serial killer convicted of killing 25 farmworkers, is again denied paroleReplies: @Alden
Every time I drive to visit my family I see all the signs for Atascadero prison hospital for the criminal insane. They’re all there
i would also guess serial killing is in decline in the US, but that's mainly due to it becoming harder and harder to get away with it. budding serial killers get caught after a few kills now.
still extremely sparse reporting on samuel little, possibly the most prolific serial killer of all time in the US, and i don't expect that to change much. he was vibrant, so books and magazine covers and 60 minute specials about him won't be greenlit. no breathless reporting on how he killed over 90 people across 40 years in every state. imagine if samuel little looked like a frat boy during his younger days though. my god. the coverage. imagine, if you will, if he looked like haven monahan.
i'm less convinced serial killing is in decline outside the US. i would guess there are several serial killers active in latin america and eastern europe, at the minimum.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lugash, @Desiderius, @Alden
There was a black guy who killed about 20 White women in a very liberal neighborhood of Los Angeles in the 1960s.
Can't quite see much of a pattern.
And since you're an LA-based movie reviewer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_RaoulReplies: @Alden
I remember that movie.
Then there’s Edmund Kemper another 70s serial killer like Corona. He killed mother and grandparents and at least 7 hitchhikers mostly girl college students although there could have been more as he operated near the mountains plenty of burial places
He’s probably at Atascadero along with the other paranoid schizophreniac California murderers Like Corona he’d been diagnosed and hospatilized before the murders.
My impression is that many serial killers were born bad to the bone. Upon apprehension, they will tell all kinds of fairy tales, with themselves as put-upon victims to questioners because it's a way to get a lighter sentence or even a stint in a mental institution from which they can one day walk free.Replies: @Alden
Thank you for your sensible and realistic comment.
Fraudian psychiatry is one of the worst ideas of the last 1,000 years.
It got into the criminal justice system in the 1930s. Those Fraudians went so far as to blame not breast feeding and potty training for criminal behavior.
I know people who wished their parents would have moved away and left them when they were in high school.
There was a documentary about Dahmer He killed animals and had sadistic fantasies as a young child.Replies: @Kylie
I mean he was susceptible, weak, vulnerable. The admittedly awful childhood he had someone else could have overcome. I also don’t believe he was a sexual sadist in the way Gacy was.
I’m not excusing his crimes. However people like him got to be the way they are is irrelevant. They’re irreparably damaged and incurably dangerous. They should be permanently removed from society by execution.
I never sensed even a whiff of danger, but Ireland was a much different place then. Hitchiking was well in the past in the eastern US by that time. Now that I think about it, I haven’t seen anyone thumbing a lift in Ireland in years now.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Lots of hitchhikers in rural Ireland in 1987.
I'd suggest you read Lionel Dahmer's memoir. There's no indication of anything horrendous, before or after Dahmer's parents divorced. Lots of family situations are abrasive and unsatisfying for various parties. Doesn't generate many serial killers. Dahmer's younger brother isn't known to have comitted any crimes.Replies: @Kylie
“I’d suggest you read Lionel Dahmer’s memoir. There’s no indication of anything horrendous, before or after Dahmer’s parents divorced.”
Lol! As if the memoir of the father of an infamous serial killer/necrophiliac/cannibal would be other than self-serving.
The documentary I saw stressed the isolation in which Dahmer grew up. When I say “horrendous”, I mean extreme isolation, which I understand both Gein and Dahmer experienced in childhood. My father beat us kids with a belt whenever he got angry. It was miserable but I’d rather experience that than what I’ve read of Gein and Dahmer’s childhoods.
And I’m not excusing their crimes. Both should have been executed. I am saying that extreme isolation results in a kind of emotional deprivation that’s very damaging. Obviously some personalities are too vulnerable, fragile or otherwise flawed to cope with it in a more or less healthy manner.
He grew up in an ordinary suburban neighborhood with a pair of married parents. His father was a research chemist for a commercial company. His mother in later years was a social worker. Jeffrey Dahmer himself met the baselines then in effect to enlist in the military. You're not going to find medical reports or social service referrals or memoranda from school psychologists which would provide evidence that he was mistreated at home.
Lionel Dahmer is now 82 years old and has over the last 60 years been a married man for about 90% of the time. Nothing disagreeable is known of his younger son. His second marriage managed to survive the horrors of his son's public exposure. (He notes in his memoir that his 2d wife spotted anomalies the rest of the family missed).
What you notice about the memoir is how patient Lionel Dahmer, his mother, and his 2d wife were with the peculiar young man in their charge. Nothing that happened over the period running from 1978 to 1991 caused a breach more severe than a request that he move out of his grandmother's home.
And put everyone who pays to watch it (excepting victims' families) on a police database of sadists - a twofer.Replies: @Kylie, @Mr McKenna
“And put everyone who pays to watch it (excepting victims’ families) on a police database of sadists – a twofer.”
A police database for sadists? Really?
You’re missing the point. Certainty and severity of punishment are the two factors that have some possible deterrent effects on criminals.
And I believe serial killers victimize all of society, not just those they kill and their families. My friend was murdered when her husband went on a killing spree. I was very deeply affected by his actions even though he didn’t harm me and I was not a family member.
Such murderers should be punished and they should be seen to be punished.
You and your ilk are part of the problem.
He’s probably at Atascadero along with the other paranoid schizophreniac California murderers Like Corona he’d been diagnosed and hospatilized before the murders.Replies: @Anonymous
Big Ed Kemper had a really bad mother. His last kill was her.
He would have been executed, but :
Study claiming hate cuts 12 years off gay lives retractedReplies: @Mr McKenna
I'm not excusing his crimes. However people like him got to be the way they are is irrelevant. They're irreparably damaged and incurably dangerous. They should be permanently removed from society by execution.Replies: @J.Ross
Dahmer definitely had a huge sexual element to his activities, not sure how you get around that.
Seemed pretty significant. I remember thinking that this could tell us a lot of what homosexuality is and that someone sooner or later would address it, even in a careful, roundabout way. But nobody has and I feel like the keeper of the most arcane of arcane knowledge.Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr McKenna
Or who knows, having to hide your true self because everyone believes it’s worse than death?
Who’s to say, really?
And put everyone who pays to watch it (excepting victims' families) on a police database of sadists - a twofer.Replies: @Kylie, @Mr McKenna
No kidding. First I’ve ever heard of that one.
Have always supported capital punishment–it’s remarkably effective at curtailing repeat offenses–but this one would give me pause.
It shouldn’t be the People’s goal to prove they are sicker than the sick.
Some of his victims: Kenneth Whitacre, Charles Fleming, Melford Sample, Donald Smith, John J. Haluka, Warren Kelley, Sigurd Beierman, William Emery Kamp, Clarence Hocking, James W. Howard, Jonah R. Smallwood, Elbert T. Riley, Paul B. Allen, Edward Martin Cupp, Albert Hayes, Raymond Muchache, John H. Jackson, Lloyd Wallace Wenzel, Mark Beverly Shields, Sam Bonafide (also known as Joe Carriveau) and Joseph Maczak.
Almost all whites. Many were veterans who probably had PTSD. They drank a lot, got picked up for vagrancy or public intoxication and their employment prospects were wrecked. For all the rosy memories of the U.S. back in the good old days, it was often a brutal, harsh place.Replies: @Mr McKenna
Is it really reasonable to extrapolate so broadly from one mad killer?
Note please that I agree with your points otherwise.
It was a match for Aaron Kamenski polish jewish insane immigrant. He’d been hospitalized before. He’d attacked women before. As soon as he was locked up in an asylum the Ripper murders stopped.
Unlike Corona, Kamenski was never released so no more victimsReplies: @syonredux, @Anonymous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Kosminski#DNA_evidence
this guy was national news for an entire month after they arrested him. he got 1 hour specials on network television.
i'm surprised a regular poster at unz.com thinks that the identity of the serial killer doesn't play into how interested the television media is in covering them. it's not a surprise that you weren't familiar with juan corona, for example. i wasn't either, but i'm not an expert on these guys. but i've been aware for years that the news media ignored the vibrant ones. one of the last ones, the cleveland strangler, there was not much coverage outside of ohio.
"The gas chamber is unncessarily dangerous to its operators and others in its vicinity."
the gas chamber and all other execution methods could easily be replaced with the nitrogen chamber, or some other inert gas. i'm not sure this would even be painful. i'm under the impression something like a helium chamber would not be. the pain is from carbon dioxide building up in your body. if you just breathed nitrogen or helium, you'd simply pass out eventually, and then your neurons would die after 10 or 15 minutes.
or, you could simply put people in water, the most simple and least expensive way. bad way to go for the people going, though.Replies: @Mr McKenna
What about beheadings? Why do we consider them barbaric? Awfully quick, I daresay.
Replies: @Mr McKenna
You can take the boy out of Maya country..
You’re funny. And tempting fate.
Mr. Stix references his earlier writing in the last article linked-to above:Thank you, Michelle Malkin, not just for the CPAC speech.Replies: @J.Ross, @Brutusale
What timing! Annie Dookhan, the gift that keeps on giving.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/03/05/manhunt-continues-for-dangerous-suspect-in-randolph-murder/
Have you any details?
Lol! As if the memoir of the father of an infamous serial killer/necrophiliac/cannibal would be other than self-serving.
The documentary I saw stressed the isolation in which Dahmer grew up. When I say "horrendous", I mean extreme isolation, which I understand both Gein and Dahmer experienced in childhood. My father beat us kids with a belt whenever he got angry. It was miserable but I'd rather experience that than what I've read of Gein and Dahmer's childhoods.
And I'm not excusing their crimes. Both should have been executed. I am saying that extreme isolation results in a kind of emotional deprivation that's very damaging. Obviously some personalities are too vulnerable, fragile or otherwise flawed to cope with it in a more or less healthy manner.Replies: @Art Deco
There wasn’t any extreme isolation. He just couldn’t build friendships with people.
He grew up in an ordinary suburban neighborhood with a pair of married parents. His father was a research chemist for a commercial company. His mother in later years was a social worker. Jeffrey Dahmer himself met the baselines then in effect to enlist in the military. You’re not going to find medical reports or social service referrals or memoranda from school psychologists which would provide evidence that he was mistreated at home.
Lionel Dahmer is now 82 years old and has over the last 60 years been a married man for about 90% of the time. Nothing disagreeable is known of his younger son. His second marriage managed to survive the horrors of his son’s public exposure. (He notes in his memoir that his 2d wife spotted anomalies the rest of the family missed).
What you notice about the memoir is how patient Lionel Dahmer, his mother, and his 2d wife were with the peculiar young man in their charge. Nothing that happened over the period running from 1978 to 1991 caused a breach more severe than a request that he move out of his grandmother’s home.
I’m not sure where I extrapolated. I stated that he’s a bad guy from a city in Mexico that’s produced lots of bad guys. Unless you mean I exaggerated the menace of Mexican killers? Well you have this guy and Ángel Maturino Reséndiz, and I doubt much more extrapolation is necessary.
It was a match for Aaron Kamenski polish jewish insane immigrant. He’d been hospitalized before. He’d attacked women before. As soon as he was locked up in an asylum the Ripper murders stopped.
Unlike Corona, Kamenski was never released so no more victimsReplies: @syonredux, @Anonymous
Wasn’t there some Jewish graffiti found scrawled on the wall nearby one of the victims?
You do it. It’s your thesis.
Here’s a clickbait article on about American cannibals. Overrepresentation of blacks as you (or maybe just me) would expect, with a Hispanic and an Oriental thrown in for good measure. But then again they aren’t serial killer cannibals.
10 Gruesome Cases Of Cannibalism In Modern-Day America
Was referring to your last sentence. And again, not saying it’s false, just that it’s a stretch from the preceding material.
Given the relationship between serial killers and pornography maybe the greater availability of pornography in the seventies fueled the burst in serial killers?