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Here’s a new Open Thread for all of you.

For those interested, here’s my most recent article:

On this same topic, here’s Laurent Guyénot’s YouTube documentary. Although it’s perhaps a little too hagiographic, I think it’s the best single video introduction to this issue:

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And despite being somewhat disorganized, I would also recommend Ryan Dawson’s complementary 2023 documentary, focusing heavily upon Israel’s nuclear weapons development program:

Video Link

Finally, conservative podcaster Candace Owens had a good 3 minute summary of the entire story:

 
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  1. Thanks, Mr. Unz! Regarding your JFK, Sr. theory, I did read some of your article and the comments. I was under the impression that you figured Candace Owens is a kook. What’s the deal now?

    I know this is probably important, but I care more about the here & now – the long-term invasion of the US is by far the most important and existential problem America faces, hence 300 posts exist here on the Peak Stupidity blog that discuss the topic.

    The Rolling Stones answered “Who killed the Kennedies” years ago. It was you and me, Mr. Unz.

    Video Link

    Now you know.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  2. One thing that needs addressing is the problem of subgroups of Whites spending their whole lives attacking Whites in general. It’s my Itty Bitty White Group against all the other Whites!

    The Irish (in Ireland) are one example. For generations, they fought against being ruled by Great Britain. Fine. They are independent. And what are they doing? With current non-White immigration they will be majority non-white in a few decades. So what was that noise about?

    It’s like they didn’t really care about being White or even Irish. They just wanted to stick it to their White enemies. We see this all over the place among the world’s White populations.

  3. Ron, no doubt you work hard researching and writing your articles, and have varied interests (usually featured on the main page), but I’m not sure that stuff is really iSteve material.

    OTOH, it appears Steve is in a slump over at Substack, asking the noobs in the comments what car he should get (recent purchase got wrecked), and recycling old articles.

    I guess I’ll step up and post (paste) some “content”, perhaps not exactly on-brand iSteve, either:

    Future Present

    First, watch this (good editing, might be a bit fast for olds here):

    Video Link

    https://im1776.com/2024/11/19/hyperamerica/

    HYPERAMERICA

    By Tobias Huber 2024.11.09

    Neo-America Arrives from the Future: American Accelerationism in 2024

    Excerpt and conclusion:

    America thus can be reconceptualized as Hyperamerica — a hyperstitional* engine that moves us inexorably toward a kind of apocalyptic rupture, where belief itself becomes an agent of creation. The “grip of ‘future shock’” is a symptom of a world entangled in this hyperstitional force field: an inevitable, self-reinforcing process driving us toward a revelatory space fusing mythic virtual fictions with geopolitical realities.

    America, along with its economy, market, culture, and theology, can be viewed not as a static, fixed system but as a shifting, cybernetic meta-organism that interacts with and intensifies apocalyptic feedback loops. American hegemony is, consequently, not merely a question of the military power and cultural dominance of a single nation. America is a mythic force that shapes geopolitics through a Promethean will.

    Will Hyperamerica appear in its synthetic form as a disturbing mixture of Blade Runner’s anarcho-futurist Off-World colonies, the gated space communities of Elysium, the luxury automated consumerism of Wall-E (which GLP-1 drugs might help to prevent), and the perfect simulation machines of the Matrix pods, which protect a listless population from a reality of post-apocalyptic wastelands, killer robot swarms, dirt, and gruel? We don’t know yet — one man’s fictional dystopia is another’s utopia.

    Like the figure of the Hyperborean Nietzsche describes in The Anti-Christ, Hyperamericanization is a movement that traverses ideology and space-time. As it expands across the West, “Neither by land nor by water will you find the road” to Hyperamerica.

    *TLDR on “hyperstition” :

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hyperstition

    Etymology
    Modelled on superstition (“belief, not based on reason, that one’s behaviour can magically influence events”)

    Noun
    hyperstition (plural hyperstitions)

    A cultural belief (especially a work of fiction) that makes itself real; a cultural self-fulfilling prophecy where some cultural idea or hype truly brings about the thing it describes.

  4. I know you aren’t referring to a 3rd Kennedy here, but Laurent Guyenot also wrote an article about the death of John F. Kennedy, Jr. Although Mr. Guyenot brought up a motive I hadn’t ever thought about – that the Hildabeast ended up winning the NY Senate seat that Mr. Kennedy might well have been a great candidate for – he got his story about the flying wrong. There were a number of errors.

    There’s a Latin phrase that I could have written from memory had I remembered my HS Latin, but it says if you’re wrong about one important thing, I’m not gonna believe the rest of your damn article. (I refer to Mr. Guyenot, of course, not the proprietor.)

    I’ll steer most of the rest of my comments toward iSteve topics. It’s only fitting.

    .

    .

    I noticed a pretty well-made movie about brutalist golf architecture the other day. That director got into the UCLA film school with only a 950 on his verbal SATs. He’s Black! so he’s very likely to be shot while driving 30 mph over the limit on the Ventura Highway.

  5. Mr. Anon says:

    Build up of bombers on Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean:

    Stealth Bombers Reportedly Deploying To America’s “Unsinkable Carrier”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/military/stealth-bombers-reportedly-deploying-americas-unsinkable-carrier

    Is this for a campaign against Iran? Is this what I voted for?

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Jack D
    , @Adam Smith
  6. @Achmed E. Newman

    Speaking of that, and getting slightly more seriously, traffic school sucks anymore. I’ve been 3 times, but it’s been a long while. Even though we watched basketball playoffs in one, the other was a budding comedian, and the other (yes, black) guy told me that 1 in 3 of us are bound to die in a car wreck in the US*, at least we talked about driving to some degree.

    My wife got pulled over and took the traffic school option. The guy must have made the same course for various problem children, as there were questions like (no kidding):

    Did your substance abuse cause harm to your family?
    [ ] Yes
    [ ] No
    [ ] Don’t know

    WHAT substance abuse? There were a bunch of these. Was the idea to get one on record for later on?

    Here was a good one, an essay question: How did your problem anger any family members?

    I told her what to write, but she wouldn’t: My husband is angry because I did not look up the hill for cops when I ran the 3-way stop sign.

    .

    * I wasn’t TRYING to shake my head, because I needed the points taken off, but apparently I was!

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  7. epebble says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Is this for a campaign against Iran? Is this what I voted for?

    He seems to be keeping his promise:

    Video Link

    and

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/iran-speeds-production-of-near-weapons-grade-uranium-iaea-says-as-tensions-with-u-s-increases

    can only mean an attempt to disrupt the weapons program is a matter of when rather than if.

  8. Jack D says:

    “How Israel Killed the Kennedys”

    coming soon to Unz. com

    How Israel Killed the Tooth Fairy

    How Israel Killed the Taste of Diet Coke

    How Israel Made the Milk in my Fridge Go Off

    Joos – is there anything (bad) that they DIDN’T do?

  9. epebble says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Since you mentioned ‘content’, I saw this recently and haven’t seen it being discussed anywhere:

    American Women Are Giving Up on Marriage
    Major demographic shifts have put men and women on divergent paths. That’s left more women resigned to being single. ‘The numbers aren’t netting out.’

    https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/relationships/american-women-are-giving-up-on-marriage-54840971

    • Replies: @bomag
  10. epebble says:
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    You may be overthinking. There is no ‘attacking’ or ‘stick it to’ or ‘enemies’. The only truth in your observation seems to be the simplest one: “they don’t really care about being White”. Like I don’t constantly think about being a man (than a woman or another species or inanimate object or not exist at all).

  11. Jack D says:
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Freud called it the narcissism of small differences. You couldn’t tell a Serbian from a Croatian to save your life because they are so similar but they hate each other with a white hot passion.

  12. Can people help spread this. Donald Trump did not pardon Jonathan Pollard. In fact Pollard was paroled under Obama in 2015 and his parole ended in November of 2020 at which point he flew to Israel.

  13. Jack D says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Yes it is. When Muslim pirates disrupted shipping in the Mediterranean the US Navy and Marine sailed to “the shores of Tripoli” in 1801. Now the Iranian’s proxies, the Houthis, are doing it again. Biden had no balls but Trump is not going to allow these chicken shits to disrupt the entire world trade system. The Houthis are just a bunch of sand naggers and have nothing worth bombing but their sponsors the Iranians do and they are going to lose it unless they tell the Houthis to cut it out. And hell no the Iranians cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

  14. @Achmed E. Newman

    There’s a Latin phrase that I could have written from memory had I remembered my HS Latin, but it says if you’re wrong about one important thing, I’m not gonna believe the rest of your damn article.

    Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @muggles
  15. BenKenobi says:
    @Jack D

    That’s just like, your opinion, man.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  16. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    I don’t mind if we use US military power to keep open shipping lanes that we use, although we don’t even use the Suez that much.

    But going to war with Iran? That isn’t in the interest of MY country. I don’t know about yours.

    And hell no the Iranians cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

    How about Israel? Should they be allowed to have nuclear weapons? And given that they are not a party to the NPT, and do have nuclear weapons, why aren’t we sanctioning them, according to US law.

    It’s none of our damned business if Iran has nuclear weapons, which by the way, they don’t seem to have much inclination to actually build anyway. According to Bibi, Iran has been 9 months (or 6 months, or 3 months, or whatever he’s saying today) away from a bomb for about the last 25 years. What Waltz is saying now is Iran will not even be “allowed” to enrich Uranium. Who are we to make demands like that? Who are we to tell them what they may and may not do?

    This has nothing to do with the US. This has everything to do with Israel.

  17. Mr. Anon says:
    @kaganovitch

    Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

    Which is latin for: “If you cheat at UNO, you’ll probably skip out on the bus fare too.”

  18. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    Your schtick is old and tired. Jack.

    Tell us………..do they never ever do anything bad? Are they the only group in history that is completely blameless of any fault? That seems to be what you, and the television, keep telling us.

    When it comes to MY group – white (nominally) Christian European-derived men – well, people are welcome to throw rotten vegetables at us every day and twice on Sunday. But, for YOUR group, for some reason……….reverence must be paid.

    It’s bullshit. We know it’s bullshit. We know you know it’s bullshit (but don’t care). And we know you know we know it’s bullshit.

    And we aren’t pretending it isn’t anymore.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Jack D
  19. @Jack D

    For sure, Jack is back!

    As you’ve decided to stick around after a two week hiatus, please share thoughts on Sailer’s Whimming that’s addressed in Open Thread 1.

    1. Did you want that amplification of your comments and suppression of those who disagreed?

    2. Is this now a better or worse forum, what with the more level playing field?

  20. @MEH 0910

    This is Hail’s turf, isn’t it? I thought you were fetching for Derbyshire.

  21. @MEH 0910

    Thanks. Surprisingly, he hasn’t publicized it at Substack yet.

    Steve makes some fair points, such as that we (Trump) seem to be needlessly antagonizing mild nominal allies such as Denmark and Canada.

    On Steve’s, and Norman Angell’s, big point, that war hasn’t been cost-effective since about the machine gun, yeah, that’s probably correct, but it just goes to demonstrate Thucydides’ point that most war—or at least the most costly wars—aren’t actually about cost-versus-benefit (“interest” in Thucydides’ terms), they are about what Thucydides called “honor” and we call by a number of names: credibility, prestige, balance of power, nationalism, etc.

    Nationalism in particular has gotten the credit/blame for a lot of post-machine-gun wars, and as a result there has been an epochal effort to stamp it out. This is an error for two reasons. The small reason is that the supposed antidote to nationalism—flooding nations with incompatible foreigners, while suppressing national dissent—is proving worse than the supposed disease. The second and bigger reason is that nationalism is not a disease, but a legitimate basis of state formation, as history since the Middle Ages has demonstrated.

    The wars that are usually blamed on nationalism might be more accurately blamed on impeding nationalism. After all, if people of one language, ethne, and nation want to live together in one state, why shouldn’t they? They might mistreat minorities? Okay, but then isn’t that an argument that the minority should have their own state too? I.e., there should be more nationalism, not less.

    And given how the post-medieval nationalist states have reformed the world in their interest, to great achievement, the further lesson of history might be that in the long term, honor makes its own interest. So the leaders of the last half millennium have been correct to act in honor rather than interest, while those standing athwart this history yelling Stop (while pitching millions of migrants into the breach) are the real revanchists who subvert order and peace.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @Greta Handel
  22. dearieme says:

    The best Jewish story I’ve heard was Benjamin Disraeli’s reply when he was asked whether he was a Jew or a Christian. “I am the blank page between the Old and the New Testament.”

    You gotta admit, many politicians in those Olden Times were just brighter, more articulate, and more interesting than modern ones.

    What relevance does this have to the output of the estimable Mr Sailer? Well, he’s always been interested in intelligence, race, and British literary figures. If only Dizzy had designed golf courses or collected baseball statistics, eh?

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
  23. Mike Tre says:
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    I typically agree with your POV but this is just nonsense. The Irish were subjugated by the English/GB for almost a millennia, and the Irish normies have nothing to do with the current flood of immigration taking place there. They didn’t ask for it. Ireland’s “leadership” if you can call it that has sold them out to their globalist masters just like the rest of the West.

    Do you also blame the residents of Podunk, USA for the 10,000 newly arrived Haitians living in their hotels?

    If you really believed in the things you say you’d support the Irish being Irish first, and white second.

  24. Mike Tre says:
    @Almost Missouri

    “The wars that are usually blamed on nationalism might be more accurately blamed on impeding nationalism. ”

    Or maybe we can blame those machine gun wars on resistance to the global banking cabal?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  25. dearieme says:
    @Mike Tre

    The Irish were subjugated by the English/GB for almost a millennia

    Come to that, substantial parts of Great Britain were subjugated by the Irish in the Dark Ages and afterwards. It’s the sort of thing that happens in a small archipelago.

    Of course the first “English/GB” intrusion into Ireland was by an army of Welshmen and Flemings commanded by Frenchmen that arrived at the invitation of one of the Irish kings. Also the sort of thing that happens in a small archipelago.

    After 1801 Ireland was not remotely “subjugated”, it was an integral part of the UK with – God knows why – a substantial over-representation in the House of Commons.

    • LOL: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Mike Tre
  26. @Almost Missouri

    Raytheon has never lost a war, and never will. Just ask Lloyd Au$tin.

    • LOL: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  27. J.Ross says:

    SHEEP NOISES INTENSIFY
    New Zealand is now facing the stomach-churning reality of a public health crisis after the government’s mass vaccination campaign led to the population being almost universally “vaccinated” for Covid.

    The nation is one of the most Covid-vaccinated countries in the world after administering a whopping 260.78 “vaccine” doses per 100 people.

    A major new study has found that adverse events are skyrocketing year after year among New Zealanders, specifically those who received mRNA-based preparations.

    https://ourarchive.otago.ac.nz/esploro/outputs/doctoral/The-profile-of-adverse-events-following/9926719960701891

    From 2010 to 2019 (9 years), only 2,788 AEFI reports related to the SIV were recorded, with 76% deemed non-serious.

    For the Pfizer injection, a massive 64,956 reports were filed from early 2021 through 2022 (2 years). More importantly, however, serious adverse events like heart failure and thrombosis also surged massively.

    According to multiple studies, only 1% of adverse events caused by vaccines is being reported, so real numbers might be incomparably higher. Moreover, a mRNA/vector gene therapy preparation (which technically is not a vaccine) can kill a receiver even 15-20 years after inoculation according to FDA/EMA documents. A health deterioration or death must happen in period between 2 weeks and 1 month after injection to be considered a side effect of vaccine, though. If it happens later, it is not recorded as adverse event of vaccination at all.

    According to the study, the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research admits that the “regulatory window of concern” for a novel genetic product, such as Covid mRNA “vaccines,” is 5-15 years.

    https://www.fda.gov/media/113768/download

    Fatal blood clots might be generated in bodies of mRNA “vaccinated” in period of 15 years

    https://ijirms.in/index.php/ijirms/article/view/2035

  28. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks, Mr. Unz! Regarding your JFK, Sr. theory, I did read some of your article and the comments. I was under the impression that you figured Candace Owens is a kook. What’s the deal now?

    Actually, Mike Whitney had added that clip from Candace Owens. But since she has a huge following and she seemed to sum things up the JFK/Mossad hypothesis pretty well in just 3 minutes, I decided to include it here for those unwilling to watch the two 90 minute documentaries or read my 11,500 word article.

    And I wouldn’t call her a “kook.” It’s just that she seems extremely credulous and therefore her work is very uneven.

    For example, I emphasized that her podcast interview on the U.S.S. Liberty got 5.5 million views, probably reaching more Americans than everything else published on that event during the last 50-odd years combined. But then she unfortunately followed it up with a very long multipart series claiming that the First Lady of France was a man and that Macron had probably married his own father:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/candace-owens-ryan-dawson-and-other-conspiracy-podcasters/

    Incidentally, based upon request, I’ve slightly relaxed the auto-approval threshold here to 50 previously approved comments since January 2023.

  29. @Mike Tre

    Who would impede nationalism?

    • LOL: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  30. @Ron Unz

    I left a note in the Bugs & Suggestions thread that Big Search may be shadowbanning your audio podcasts. Hope you saw it.

    Thanks for your incisive summaries of far more reading than I will likely ever get to. It has substantially remade my model of the world.

  31. @Ron Unz

    Do you have any thoughts that Candace Owens might be part of some intentional facilitation of the Cass Sunstein effect? (I can’t remember if you’ve alluded to this possibility before.) I.e., in this case when a speaker of reasonable hypotheses is deliberately conflated with outrageous ideas in the mind of the public, so as to taint consideration of the real possibilities.

  32. @dearieme

    After 1801 Ireland was not remotely “subjugated”, it was an integral part of the UK with – God knows why – a substantial over-representation in the House of Commons.

    Dunno bout dat. The British response to the Famine wasn’t what one would expect toward ‘an integral part of the UK’ but more like one would expect toward a ‘subjugated people.’ Unless you think the British government would have allowed, say, a million Liverpudlians to starve to death were the famine there? Their over-representation in the Commons wasn’t much help, then.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
  33. J.Ross says:

    Signalgate.
    Two possibilities.
    (1) Trump had said, there’s a mole and we’ll flush him out, next thing you hear, Trump enemy Jeffrey Goldberg is hopping up and down and claiming to be the world’s greatest journalist, cf TTSS (LeCarré), go figure. As always, a nothingburger much celebrated in the dinosaur media.
    (2) Pete Hegseth was in the army for twenty years but never once learned anything about opsec, and leaked war plans to Jeffrey Goldberg (look up Richard Ben Cramer laughing at Jeffrey Goldberg for being a coward, it’s hilarious; look up Jeffrey Goldberg’s homoerotic teenage malingering fantasy, it’s hilarious) — the war plans concerned the Houthis, a uniquely cut-off people, which it would be unusually safe to leak plans about — and Goldberg, in his loyalty and dutifulness, reported the leak but did not —
    Aaaaaaand the Atlantic published the complete transcript of the supposed war plans.
    New possibilities. Same as the old. Goldberg’s a faggot (look up him fellating his pet black man, it’s hilarious) and Hegseth played him and here Goldberg is confirming it, or
    These really are important secrets (they’re not), and the Atlantic just gave them to the Chinese and Russians and Iranians to score political points in a non-election year.
    In all scenarios Jeffrey Goldberg remains a complete faggot.

    • Thanks: TWS
  34. @Mike Tre

    Why were the Irish normies able to kick Great Britain out but not the globalists? Why can’t they handle the leaders that sell them out? They got their back up to fight as long as the enemy was another White group. But against Muslims and African they surrender.

    If the Irish were as passionate about keeping Ireland Irish as they had been during the Troubles, this wouldn’t be a problem.

    I understand many Americans are helpless against the non-White invasion, but it’s not like millions of us were pounding our chest about how we were gonna keep America white. But in the case of Ireland, they really did fight to keep it Irish. Or … were they just fighting to keep the English out? And now, they are happy to give their daughters to the Congolese.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  35. @Greta Handel

    That’s a good point.

    Also, in addition to profits made privately both during and between wars by those involved in military/defense spending, there is another motivation for wars: globalists and certain other groups and special interests stoking patriotism (nationalism in another form) for the purpose of moving entire majorities in great nations to support, to fight, and even to start wars for the the furtherance of whatever those entities or interests are.

    I am at the point where I find it hard to believe that any of the major wars in my lifetime, and in recent history before it, truly occurred for grass-roots, nationalist reasons or for any of the reasons publicly stated.

    • Agree: Greta Handel, Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  36. @Mr. Anon

    I hope those bombers don’t cause Diego Garcia to tip over and capsize…

    Video Link
    Fun Fact!: Diego Garcia is ~1/3 the size of Guam.

    Happy Wednesday! ☮

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  37. Fun fact.

    Japanese call traditional medicine “Eastern”, i.e. not Chinese because Japanese also contributed to it. And what in China they call plainly “Western medicine” in Japan is “modern medicine” because Japanese have contributed to it since 1880.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
  38. Mike Tre says:
    @dearieme

    I realize you’re a Brit and I do not want to get into picking old scabs, but come one, applying a sense of proportion seems necessary here. If the English were speaking Gaelic instead of vice versa you’d have a firmer leg to stand on. Anyway my comment was more about refuting the claim about Irish not being loyal enough to their own kind, which is risible compared to most other Western countries.

  39. @Jack D

    The joos can’t help being evil because the Demiurge put the joos on earth to create the suffering from which it feeds.

    Unfortunately. ☮

  40. Mike Tre says:
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    “Why were the Irish normies able to kick Great Britain out but not the globalists? Why can’t they handle the leaders that sell them out? They got their back up to fight as long as the enemy was another White group. But against Muslims and African they surrender.”

    You’re smart enough to know the answer. The English came at them with bullets. The globalists use media and education to brainwash, subvert and teach the Irish that someone’s else’s priorities are more important than their own… just like they do here in the US.

    Think of it this way, had the Israelis simply infiltrated the Palestinian education system and TV networks 100 years ago, they would have had the Pallies getting sex changes, addicted to pain meds, and breeding with negroes by now.

    The globalists have figured out that brainwashing works better than bullets. And just FTR, the Irish have put up more resistance to the importation of Africans than white Americans have.

  41. Mike Tre says:
    @Adam Smith

    Guam has better strip clubs!

    • LOL: Adam Smith
  42. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “OTOH, it appears Steve is in a slump over at Substack, asking the noobs in the comments what car he should get (recent purchase got wrecked), and recycling old articles.”

    Unclean hands are the only way anyone can destroy the otherwise immortal Toyota Corolla 🕊

    Hail’s repoasts here of Pfiser Steve’s substack demonstrate that, yes, PS is very lazy these daze.

  43. dearieme says:
    @kaganovitch

    The response of the British people was large charitable donations. The response of the government was mixed: it started off being constructive and then there was a pause when a new Whig government took office. Their response was impaired by the ideology of liberalism – i.e free markets and the minimum of government interference – which was sound in general but unwise for such an emergency. How long it took them to grasp the unusual scale and nature of the problem, I don’t know. There had been famine in Great Britain in the late 1600s but that would have seemed a long time ago by the mid 1800s. Anyway they did eventually restart relief efforts.

    I imagine that the fact that the Highlanders in Scotland were largely accessible by sea explains much of their greater resilience to the same potato blight. Of course it probably also helped the Highlanders that their settled political attitude didn’t consist largely of threatening to cut the throats of their landlords and their families. It’s wise to stay on decent terms with people whose help you might need rather than forever threatening them with terrorism.

    And there were cultural complications: some of the grain that was sent to Ireland was rejected by the recipients because it wasn’t the food that they were used to eating. There was also puzzlement that even the coastal Irish didn’t want to eat fish.

    I dare say the Whig attitude started as “The bloody Irish, always exaggerating and lying” – in other words, there was a price to pay for the Irish forever crying wolf. But it’s the duty of government to try to pin down the facts. Of course government was tiny by modern standards (it’s remarkable how few people seem to understand this), it didn’t have a telegraph network to let it get news quickly from a wide area on the other side of the Irish Sea, and Ireland didn’t have railways that could have been used to distribute food.

    I suppose things might have panned out differently if the blight had arrived twenty years later. The telegraph and railways might have changed things considerably. Just twenty years, but there you are – God’s will, if you believe in that sort of thing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_telegraphy_in_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=Their%20first%20success%20came%20in,commercial%20telegraph%20in%20the%20world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rail_transport_in_Ireland

    Still, it wasn’t like the poor old Red Indians being deliberately genocided, ethnically cleansed, and starved in the USA, before, during, and after the Irish Famine.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  44. @kaganovitch

    Not to mention, their “overrepresentation” in Parliament really consisted of their Anglo-Scots landlords rather than of autochthonic Gaelic peasants or Dublin labo[u]rers.

    OTOH, the Irish really are squandering their precious independence on being globalist suckups/victims. Whatever else the British did to the Irish, they weren’t airdropping Congolese on them.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @dearieme
  45. @kaganovitch

    Not to mention that the Irish “overrepresentation” in the Commons really consisted of their Anglo-Scots landlords rather than autochthonous Gaelic peasants or Dublin labo[u]rers.

    OTOH, the Irish really are squandering their precious independence on being globalist suckups/victims. Whatever else the British did to the Irish, they never airdropped Congolese on them.

    • Replies: @Pixo
  46. J.Ross says:

    Below more tag, analyst Rebecca Patterson describes the Mar-A-Lago accords (that is, what Trump appears to be attempting economically) from a hostile, pro-investor viewpoint, but it’s still the best one-stop treatment. The market is overheated and the dollar is still inflated, so things are going to have to the “wrong” way from the point of view of the eight per cent of oligarch scum heavily into the old slave auction. Louisiana’s already getting a steel mill, Kentucky’s getting a Honda plant, and durable goods orders are up for two months, so parts of the plan appear to already be working.

    [MORE]

    The Miran Plan.
    By Rebecca Patterson.
    John Ellis
    Mar 25

    Rebecca Patterson is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). A globally recognized investor and macro-economic researcher with more than twenty-five years of experience across the U.S., Europe, and Asia, Patterson studies how politics and policy intersect with economic trends to drive financial markets.

    Previously, Patterson was chief investment strategist for Bridgewater Associates, the world’s largest hedge fund. From 2012 through 2019, Patterson was chief investment officer of Bessemer Trust, a multi-family office where she managed $85 billion in client assets. Before joining Bessemer, Patterson spent more than fifteen years at JPMorgan, where she worked as a researcher in the firm’s investment bank in Europe, Singapore, and the U.S., served as chief investment strategist in the asset management arm of the firm, and ran the Private Bank’s global currency and commodity trading desk. Patterson’s transition to finance came after several years working as a journalist, covering financial markets, policy, and politics in the U.S. and Europe.

    This is another in a series of “guest columns” that appear in Political News Items and News Items from time to time. There’s been a lot of chatter of late about the Mar-A-Lago Accord. We’ve struggled to grok it, so we asked Rebecca to explain it.

    By Rebecca Patterson. 3/25/2025:

    President Trump wants to have his economic cake and eat it too.

    He wants to keep the dollar globally dominant but weakened to support US exporters. He wants tax cuts that will increase the budget deficit but lower Treasury bond yields. He wants to raise tariffs on other countries to reduce the US trade deficit but strengthen America’s standing as an attractive destination for foreign investment.

    Achieving these aggregate goals – aimed at increasing US manufacturing jobs and making the US economy more resilient – will be difficult enough. But even more complicated – and risky – are the proposals to bake this economic cake: the Mar-a-Lago Accord.

    Named after Trump’s Florida estate, the Mar-a-Lago Accord is the moniker given to a complicated set of plans and concepts of plans from Trump’s advisors that would mark an inflection point for the global economic order.

    Unlike the Plaza Accord of 1985 where five countries agreed at the New York Plaza Hotel to collectively act to weaken the dollar, Mar-a-Lago is unlikely to get the cross-border coordination required to succeed.

    But even just attempting to follow this policy recipe would create material risks for the US economy and financial markets. More immediately, these include a potential dislocation in the US Treasury market that would trigger global financial contagion and weigh on economic growth. Structurally, these efforts could call into question the Federal Reserve’s independence and increase incentives for countries around the world to reduce dependence on the USD-based financial system and US marketplace.

    The ideas behind the Mar-a-Lago Accord started getting broad attention through a research note published last year by Stephen Miran, now Chair of the White House’s Council of Economic Advisors. It has gotten more focus in recent weeks as the administration has quickly adopted other unorthodox policies and as the President and cabinet members have publicly highlighted that their longer-term policy goals may necessitate short-term economic and financial-market pain.

    To understand the risks from Mar-a-Lago, it’s useful to consider the policy recipe, so to speak, as laid out in five main steps by Miran.

    Step 1, already underway, is tariffs. Mar-a-Lago recommends previewing tariffs before implementation and then ramping up tariff levels gradually, all to give US firms room to prepare and countries time to negotiate. This is what has largely happened to date. Indeed, as Trump and his team provide hints at the next tariff wave expected sometime around April 2, what the president is calling “Liberation Day,” US companies are building inventories and foreign companies are offering US investments, the latter in hopes of getting tariff exemptions from the White House.

    Historically, tariffs have often caused the home country’s currency to strengthen and the currencies of tariffed countries to weaken, as consumers in the home country buy fewer of the pricier imports. Miran suggests that the weaker foreign currency allows US importers to get tariffed items more cheaply (one dollar gets you more of the weakened foreign currency). That means that even with the tariff applied, the final price paid doesn’t change much. Assuming this logic holds, which he acknowledges is uncertain, he sees tariffs as a way to bring in US revenue without material inflationary risk.

    Separately, Mar-a-Lago proponents expect tariff revenue will offset lower US tax revenue, which will help manage the country’s fiscal challenges.

    Step 2 is blending trade sticks with defense carrots. Mar-a-Lago, as described by Miran, posits that “national security and trade are joined at the hip.” He and the broader administration see the US security umbrella as something foreign countries should pay for in some way. That’s where the trade war comes in. Countries that want to continue benefitting from US protection could take a variety of steps to help US businesses, from reducing local subsidies, agreeing not to retaliate against US tariffs, joining the US in trade restrictions against China, or pledging major investments in the US.

    Step 3 is weakening the dollar while keeping it globally dominant. President Trump and Vice President JD Vance have stated their preference for the US dollar to remain the global reserve currency. At the same time, they want other countries’ currencies to strengthen from what are seen as unfair levels which give these countries an export advantage over the US. (Never mind that a weaker dollar, as noted in Step 1, could increase inflation risks.)

    Mar-a-Lago’s recipe attempts to address this “dominant-but-weaker” dilemma with multi-step, coordinated central bank intervention.

    The proposal suggests that the US would consider reducing tariffs if a foreign country agreed to sell its US government bonds from central bank reserves in exchange for its own currency. This would weaken the dollar and strengthen the local currency. The goal would be to get several major countries to do this at once, similar to Plaza in 1985.

    But selling such a large quantity of Treasury bonds could easily trigger a market crisis by sharply pushing up yields. To reduce that risk, the same central banks would also agree as they sell current holdings to swap into smaller dollar amounts of ultra-long Treasury bonds (say 50- or 100-year bonds with zero or low coupons). The hope here is that these steps together would get the US both a weaker dollar and longer-term financing without losing much share of global central bank reserves.

    This is where the recipe falls apart. In contrast to 1985, when countries agreed to pursue a weaker dollar and backed intervention with monetary and fiscal policies geared to achieve the same goal, today there is no broad agreement on preferred currency trends or policy.

    While the US wants much stronger foreign currencies, China for instance would likely prefer a gradual, modest weakening of its renminbi to help fight deflation and encourage more consumption. Japan, meanwhile, might be okay with a modestly stronger yen but is mainly focused on currency stability to help its global businesses in their longer-term planning. Europe is currently cutting interest rates to support growth; a stronger euro would work against that goal by hampering exports. If the US wants global coordination this time, it won’t come easily.

    Step 4 is a fix if Step 3 fails: Tax capital inflows or buy foreign currencies to weaken the dollar. Mar-a-Lago holds that if a multilateral effort can’t be secured, the US has alternative, unilateral ways to reach its goals. One idea is to have the President use the International Emergency Economic Powers Act to impose a type of “user fee” on official foreign holdings of US reserve assets to make them less attractive and therefore reduce dollar demand. A directionally similar idea is for the US to purchase foreign currencies, potentially funded by government-held gold reserves or the Federal Reserve.

    Finally, Step 5 encourages the Federal Reserve to support these government efforts and smooth over any market dislocations. Given risks of adverse market reactions to a number of these steps, a successful Mar-a-Lago Accord would require the Fed to act as supportive sous-chef. For instance, if the central banks’ shift into longer-term Treasury bonds causes panic selling of bonds by private investors, the Fed could intervene to ensure stability. It may also be required to provide short-term liquidity to central banks holding ultra-long bonds, which would likely be thinly traded and volatile.

    Overall, the administration sees this recipe as a way to help deliver on Trump’s economic promises. Of course, the White House is looking at additional creative ways to bake a great American economic cake. Supporting dollar stablecoins, cryptocurrencies that act as a globally available digital dollar, could increase demand for Treasuries held in stablecoin reserves to preserve the currency “peg” and reinforce global dollar usage. This could help cap US Treasury yields and reduce market risks from parts of the Mar-a-Lago Accord.

    Meanwhile, selling government assets like land or buildings could generate revenue to fund foreign-exchange reserves (or other priorities). And encouraging more energy production, if successful, could contribute to lower energy prices and offset inflation pressures that the weaker dollar could create.

    What about the risks? Miran acknowledges that these policies could cause near-term economic or market pain. He highlights the potential for inflation in particular, the latter already noted by the Fed at its March policy meeting and expected by many Wall Street economists if broad tariffs are pursued at a time when US inflection expectations are already rising.

    He also notes the risk of market volatility. Central banks unloading billions worth of Treasury holdings and dollars in short order would be a massive market event, creating contagion to broader markets that Miran seems to be significantly underappreciating.

    The Plaza Accord itself provides an example of what could easily happen. About a year after its implementation, then Treasury Secretary James Baker said: “The Plaza Agreement achieved its purpose, perhaps too well. What began as an orderly adjustment of exchange rates threatened to become a free fall.” After the dollar lost about 40% against the Japanese yen and 20% against the German deutsche mark, policymakers had to reunite in September 1987 for what was called the Louvre Accord – coordinated action to stabilize the dollar and financial markets.

    The Mar-a-Lago Accord creates more structural risks as well that could weigh on US growth – similar to what the UK experienced after its 2016 decision to exit the European Union.

    A trade war would not just put US companies at risk from retaliatory tariffs but also loss of market share, as foreign firms look for more reliable partners. US farms saw such a shift from the US-China 2018-19 trade war – Chinese buyers switched more of their soybean purchases to Brazil and to date have not come back. In the European Union, meanwhile, recent months have seen new trade deals finalized with Latin and South American countries, excluding the US. The EU, in its proposed “Readiness 2030” security strategy, could strictly limit purchases of US materials, a notable shift in policy from past decades.

    Meanwhile, risks arise from a potential loss of trust in the Federal Reserve’s independence and reliability of US institutions more generally. That could be reflected in foreign firms’ interest in investing in the US. (In Trump’s first term, foreign direct investment inflows slowed, even before the pandemic.) It could also emerge in a sustained, higher bond “term premium,” the extra return required over the policy interest rate to loan the US government money for longer time periods. Higher yields would mean more challenging borrowing costs for firms and households which could weigh on broader economic growth. Finally, this environment would likely increase support around dollar alternatives, including the BRICS group of emerging economies and led by Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. It’s no coincidence that China this month increased the number of local sectors available to foreign investment, offering tax breaks and other incentives. It hopes to gain “market share” not just in goods but also in global capital flows.

    Most Americans support the Trump administration’s goals of a stronger manufacturing sector and more resilient economy. But if they understand the risks involved, few seem likely to support the Mar-a-Lago Accord as the best recipe for reaching those goals.

  47. @Ron Unz

    Probably she gets her kicks by cultivating clicks.

    Take the example of Russell Brand, once an extremely amusing comedian wth some perceptive insights, but now a dunked-again Christian and conspiracy theorist.

    No one ever went wrong by following the money.

    As far as the JFK theory, there is an easy short cut. Read Oswald’s Tale by Norman Mailer and everything is made clear as daylight as it is explained how Oswald’s travels and deteriorating mental state took him from a transistor radio factory in Minsk, Belarus to the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Repository.

  48. Mr. Anon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Also, in addition to profits made privately both during and between wars by those involved in military/defense spending, there is another motivation for wars: globalists and certain other groups and special interests stoking patriotism (nationalism in another form) for the purpose of moving entire majorities in great nations to support, to fight, and even to start wars for the the furtherance of whatever those entities or interests are.

    The elites that seek to control society, and the governments through which they exercise that control, view crises as an opportunity to force through policies that people would never accept in “normal” non-crisis times. We saw this the so-called “War on Terror”. Wars are the ultimate crisis available to serve this purpose.

    Or at least I thought they were until COVID. That “War on Germs” proved to be a remarkably effective tool for pushing the agenda of TPTB: it accelerated the move to a cashless society, was a trial run for universal basic income, further concentrated economic power in the hands of large corporations, and normalized the idea that the government can violate any civil right you thought you had if they just wave a pandemic at you.

    I am at the point where I find it hard to believe that any of the major wars in my lifetime, and in recent history before it, truly occurred for grass-roots, nationalist reasons or for any of the reasons publicly stated.

    When a government tells you something that pertains to the maintenance or furtherance of its power, it’s usually a good idea to assume that they are lying.

    • Replies: @Dmon
  49. prosa123 says:

    The receptionist at my bank is a young, slightly chubby Hispanic woman who has noticeable arm hair. No, nothing like a man’s, just the sort you sometimes see on women. It stands out a bit on her because it’s dark while her skin is rather light.

    But here is what puzzles me: she allows noticeable hair to remain in a highly visible place, yet there is a 95% to 100% chance she is completely hairless in a rather less visible part of her body. Go figure.

    • Replies: @epebble
  50. Pixo says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Steve has covered Bridgette Macron a few times, and whether she has a penis as Ms.* Owens has argued at length is certainly on topic.

    Somewhat relatedly, Owens is married but did not take her husband’s surname. Ms. is still an ugly neologism but both Mrs. Owens and Miss Owens still seem wrong.

    Also, her husband is the eldest son of a baron, but she is not destined to have any more elevated title, as he is a life peer, not hereditary. However, Grok says the wife of the child of a life peer is addressed in the third person as follows: The Honourable Mrs [name of husband], but this right terminates on her father in law’s death.

  51. Mike Tre says:
    @dearieme

    “Still, it wasn’t like the poor old Red Indians being deliberately genocided, ethnically cleansed, and starved in the USA, before, during, and after the Irish Famine. ”

    Really? You’re going to invoke whataboutism? There was no genocide of Amerindians, unless you’re referring to how tribal conflicts would often result in the elimination of one tribe or another.

    That fact that you would compare the Irish to the barely human Amerindians points to your own biased dishonestly.

    “I dare say the Whig attitude started as “The bloody Irish, always exaggerating and lying” – in other words, there was a price to pay for the Irish forever crying wolf.”

    The Englishman cries out in pain as he invades your island for 1000 years. LOL

    • Replies: @dearieme
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  52. Mike Tre says:
    @Almost Missouri

    “OTOH, the Americans/Canadians/Australians/English really are squandering their precious independence on being globalist suckups/victims. Whatever else the British did to them, they weren’t airdropping Congolese on them. ”

    FIFY

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  53. epebble says:
    @prosa123

    Most women in the world do not cut or shave their hair.

    Why Chinese women like me aren’t ashamed of our body hair
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11694536/Chinese-women-dont-shave-their-body-hair.-Heres-why.html

  54. Pixo says:
    @Mike Tre

    The Jews can’t even get the Irish to stop funding Hamas.

    At some point you have to stop making excuses for people who vote for mass migration. Ireland doesn’t even have one mildly anti-migrant party, but they are all anti-Israel.

    They are a bit like NW Europe’s West Virginia: dysgenic changes resulting from 100+ years of brain draining emigration.

    I hope Conor McGregor takes over, but the fact he’s their best hope comes right out of Idiocracy’s President Hector Camacho Mountain Dew.

  55. @J.Ross

    I thought it was one of Waltz’s guys, and the main question was whether it was with or without malice.

    Agree on Goldberg in all scenarios though.

    He seems to be trying to use Waltz’s subordinate’s error to attack Hegseth. Not sure why Goldberg is so determined to make this attack. He’s getting a MIGA administration that rivals the previous one for MIGAness. Why not just be glad? Some people…. smdh

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  56. Pixo says:
    @Almost Missouri

    “ Whatever else the British did to the Irish, they never airdropped Congolese on them.”

    Well said. Probably will steal this.

  57. epebble says:
    @J.Ross

    I think J.D. Vance stands out as the genuine article here. He is the true MAGA faithful questioning the need to get involved in faraway conflicts that benefits Europeans and Asians mainly. This should serve as one more notice to the Europeans to grow up and man up.

  58. @Mike Tre

    Well, actually the English (or Portuguese or somebody), were airseadropping Congolese on the Americans. Few Americans welcomed this. Jefferson complained about it in his list of grievances in the Declaration of Independence, but some of the few got that particular grievance excised.

    Nevertheless, States began prohibiting it even before the War of Independence was over, and Congress banned it nationally in 1808, only 19 years after the Constitution was ratified.

    The Congolese-and-adjacent portion of the American population, which had been relentlessly rising prior to Independence, promptly began to recede again. This trend persisted until the 1930s when someone had the idea to create a welfare state.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @Mark G.
  59. What are the odds that Musk wraps up the DOGE project by finally definitively proving that the 16th Amendment was never ratified (it wasn’t)
    All the States legislative records must be online by now,

    That should be a hoot.

  60. @Almost Missouri

    Thank you. That’s what I was getting at, but I couldn’t remember if Ron had written about it with regard to Candace Owens. It’s worth a guess that she is not wittingly participating in the Sunstein Effect, but rather might be a gullible regurgitator of ideas (fed to her?) that facilitate it.

  61. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    The Irish (in Ireland) are one example. For generations, they fought against being ruled by Great Britain. Fine. They are independent. And what are they doing? With current non-White immigration they will be majority non-white in a few decades. So what was that noise about?

    The Irish first became a satrapy of the U.S. Security State/State Department via serving as a tax haven for American Technology companies and the resultant “Celtic Tiger.” Prior to this, it was common for the brightest and most ambitious Irish youth to be presented with a choice between emigration or remaining and muddling through limited economic and career opportunities. English language proficiency and (for those born Pre-1948) British citizenship were advantages in pursuing opportunities abroad.

    Ireland became infected with the U.S. Civil Rights ideology through these vectors. Ireland did not have the innate resistance to this form of emotional manipulation, as the Irish readily identified with the downtrodden. At the same time, a propaganda campaign to unseat the Roman Catholic Church as a driving factor in Irish life and State was mounted by the usual suspects. Referenda legalizing abortion and then state solemnized sodomy followed.

    Once you have the Civil Rights ideology propagandized to a generation of youth, they become unable to deal with the minoritarian dialectic which destroys identity.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
  62. @Jack D

    Freud called it the narcissism of small differences. You couldn’t tell a Serbian from a Croatian to save your life because they are so similar but they hate each other with a white hot passion.

    Good point, Jack. See also, Russians and Ukrainians.

    • Thanks: muggles
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    , @Gordo
  63. muggles says:
    @kaganovitch

    Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

    Hey, that’s great. Thanks!

    Wisdom always sounds better in Latin. Or at least more intelligent.

    About 50% of the iSteve presence here was the tidbits found in the comments.

    Stuff that people got from other websites, online social media, etc. which let’s face it, we’re mostly too busy to look for or find. Things that sometimes get later reported in Respectable Media.

  64. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Reading this interesting ditty reminds me of the origins of the scientistic cybernetic culture. It began after the Big One (WW2) and was funded by institutes ran by the likes of CIA-connected anthropologist Gregory Bateson. After researching security state/scientistic cults in early 1960s SF Bay Area one realizes the collusion of psychiatrists, scientists, intellectuals of a mystic bent, and chemists like Sidney Gottlieb who ran the CIA’s Bluebird program which was focused on the weaponization of LSD. MK-Ultra aka mind control and the development of personal computers shared the same trajectory in the goal to exploit consciousness. These are the roots of the biodigital convergence which the author of your posted article explores.

    In regard to Steve’s flaccid Subshack output: Back in February I mailed to Steve’s post office box two joints composed of hybrid marijuana with a THC content of 29.57% along with a large bag of jellybeans. In Steve’s beloved San Fernando Valley there are plenty of legal weed stores and spots to buy sugary treats. I like Steve but he is a Noah Cross Ranch operative.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  65. @epebble

    Agree.

    It’s funny that the Prestige Left are publishing this private chat in the assumption that it damages the administration, when what the texts reveal is that the cabinet members say the same thing in private that they say in public (aka, they have integrity), that they’ve got a good handle on the myriad ways that global-level issues interconnect (aka, they are intelligent and experienced), and that they’re debating these matters among themselves forthrightly, rationally, and without ulterior motive.

    Polar opposite from the last administration.

    As so often since 2016, the Dem-Left are running advertisements for their opponents without even realizing it.

    • Agree: J.Ross, res
  66. TWS says:
    @J.Ross

    See, this is why we need Steve now more than ever. To mock those suffering adverse vaccine effects and people who notice them.

    Of course, no one should mock anyone who compared Totally Legit Joe to Trump in cognitive ability after years of clear and unmistakable decline on Brandon’s part. Anyone could make that mistake.

  67. @Ron Unz

    Hello, Mr. Unz.

    It’s just that she seems extremely credulous and therefore her work is very uneven.

    I’ve watched Candace Owens maybe one time (can’t remember the story). She gets especially lots of attention for being a Black! woman who does NOT at all talk about blackety-blackety-black™* and leans Conservative. That is so unusual, and people are shocked yet relieved by it. Some like to watch her for that reason alone.

    As for your last point, I did read part of an article of yours in which you discussed this one of many “conspiracy theories”, the saga of Big Mike along with Mr./Mrs Macron. I will have to say that you take some things perhaps a bit too seriously. People like me use the term Big Mike for a quite different reason than you got into. No, I think she’s just a big-boned, non-brocolli-eating, fried-chicken-lovin’ black woman. OTOH, I’m not gonna be the one who makes a positive determination either way in the field.

    Why do I use the term? Ridicule. Michelle Øb☭ma is a typical anti-White chip-on-shoulder lefty proto-Commie (very unlike Candace Owens). I just plain do not like her. Since it’s been hard to do anything about our Globalist anti-White-men crowd in the Fed Gov, what else can you do but ridicule sometimes? It’s not only helpful that they know we are against them, but it’s kinda fun.

    That’s all it is for me. I really don’t care otherwise what xi’s got between xir legs. Not my monkey – not my circus.

    Finally, I wrote up something mentioning your post on the “Big Mike” “conspiracy” in On Matt Gaetz and Big Mike, on Peak Stupidity back last November. You are mentioned there, which is a REALLY BIG DEAL! ;-}

    .

    PS: I think women readers of infotainment – not too much a proportion of those reading TUR – are into the “human interest” aspect of Bridgette Macron being older than her husband and all that. The People magazine crowd laps that stuff up, so it sells.

    .

    * I believe the trademark on that is owned by John Derbyshire.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  68. dearieme says:
    @Mike Tre

    the barely human Amerindians

    Jesus Christ, man, do you realise what you are saying? Or are you just saying that as you live on land stolen from them the only way you can justify it to yourself is by classing them as untermensch?

    Shame on you.

    P.S. I’m not English. But I am a quarter Irish which is one reason why I find it easy to ignore stupid, lazy sentimentality about the Irish.

    After all the last attempted genocide in the British Isles was in the 17th century when Irish troops tried to exterminate the Campbells of Argyle. But that’s the sort of thing that happens in a small archipelago. And, no, I’m not proud of it and I don’t class the Campbells as barely human.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @Mark G.
  69. dearieme says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Actually their over-representation consisted of whoever they voted for. I assume that you are entirely ignorant of that part of parliamentary history.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  70. Mike Tre says:
    @Almost Missouri

    And again in the 1980’s when someone decided to create a welfare continent.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  71. dearieme says:

    One about Mr Sailer’s piece in Taki’s magazine.

    it’s not clear if there really is a norm against territorial expansion by purchase. There clearly has been one against expansion by conquest since shortly after World War II

    You might care to look at the acquisition by India of the Princely State of Hyderabad. Simple, old-fashioned, deadly conquest in 1948. But at least it isn’t, as far as I know, a live issue.

    By contrast India’s rule of part of Kashmir, which it justifies by an argument that is the opposite of the argument it used to justify the conquest of Hyderabad, is a live issue.

    Oh dear. Humans, eh?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  72. Mike Tre says:
    @dearieme

    “Jesus Christ, man, do you realise what you are saying? Or are you just saying that as you live on land stolen from them the only way you can justify it to yourself is by classing them as untermensch?

    Shame on you.”

    LOL you’re a blank slating egalitarian? Shame on you!

    “But I am a quarter Irish which is one reason why I find it easy to ignore stupid, lazy sentimentality about the Irish.”

    Ah, programmed to self hate. Thank you for admitting you’re a product of Marxist indoctrination.

  73. I guess we’re back to the New Normal at Steve Sailer Open Thread (the black dots are gone), but I still don’t get why some new comments are tinted blue and others are white (for example, new “J. Ross,” “Buzz Mohawk,” and “Mike Tre” comments seem to be white). Shouldn’t they all be blue? Blue means the browser goes straight to them, no scrolling necessary, but if all the new comments are white, you have to scroll. I looked at “Jung-Freud” today, and all the new comments were in blue, like they’re supposed to be. I feel like Roddy Piper in “They Live”; I’m the only one who sees the problem.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  74. J.Ross says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Update: it’s yet another Watergate style Democrat rat-f*cking. A fake USAID charity just happened to be ready to go with a lawsuit; the lawsuit just happens to be assigned to Enemy of the Constitution Boasberg (whose wife runs a fake USAID charity). They’re not even trying to be subtle or credible. People on social media are laughing about how obviously fake this is. I hope the response is real this time. The fake and gay Watergate op (which was recently proven through a FOIA by Geoff Shepard to have been 100% a Democrat construct relying on criminal judges, eg, telling witnesses what to say) succeeded in wrecking Nixon because Nixon just couldn’t imagine officers of the court would be so corrupt in America. He let it get big by going along with it and honestly expecting the system to work. Then, when he resigned, he did the Democrats’ work for them because the surprise resignation looked like an admission of guilt. Just like in Watergate, the “original” if you will “base crime” is pretty much nothing. Just like in Watergate, it’s just the thin end of the wedge, to be used to make as much noise as possible.
    It’s just like Watergate, learn from Nixon’s mistakes, hit them frequently and hit them hard, do not trust the system to exonerate you.

  75. @Mike Tre

    As has been previously pointed out, the “English” conquest of Ireland was carried out by the Normans, who’d only conquered England and Wales 130 years previously, using Welsh and Flemish soldiers, and at the invitation of an Irish chief.

    The English at the time were a conquered underclass.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  76. J.Ross says:
    @dearieme

    Does Steve mention territorial expansion such as we’ve been doing in Panama, through the Cold War, and up to the present, by taking over a distant government and then starting a war?

  77. Eagle Eye says:
    @Torna atrás

    Japanese call traditional medicine “Eastern”, i.e. not Chinese because Japanese also contributed to it.

    Not correct. The common Japanese term for Chinese medicine is 漢方藥 kanpoyaku – a Chinese-derived word meaning Chinese-recipe medications.

    • Disagree: Torna atrás
    • Thanks: kaganovitch
  78. @Corpse Tooth

    In Steve’s beloved San Fernando Valley there are plenty of legal weed stores and spots to buy sugary treats. I like Steve but he is a Noah Cross Ranch operative.

    Someone should find out if there’s a hidden connection between Jolly Rancher candy and the infamous Operation Ranch Hand:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ranch_Hand

    https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/jolly-rancher-candy-grape-tiktok-recipe-burns/

    “It was supposed to be a fun afternoon activity, it was raining outside,” she said.

    But that bowl of molten Jolly Ranchers came out of the microwave and somehow spilled onto Caidan’s hand as he walked with it to the counter. The candy immediately started to harden.

    “My instinct was ‘just pull it off, Christina.’ So I just grabbed him, and I was yanking it off. I think I was tearing skin,” Christina Blackstone said.

  79. @the one they call Desanex

    but I still don’t get why some new comments are tinted blue and others are white

    Yeah, there’s a bug that incorrectly highlights some comments as ‘new’ (blue) while other new comments aren’t highlighted. Or something like that…

  80. Mark G. says:
    @dearieme

    Most of the American Indians died from diseases Whites brought with them from Europe rather than being purposely killed by Whites in order to take their land. Since they had not been previously exposed to those diseases, they had not developed any natural immunity to them. The historian Jeff Flynn-Paul estimates up to ninety percent of Indians died this way.

    Some of the Founders wanted to civilize rather than kill the Indians. Benjamin Franklin suggested sending blacksmiths to live with them and teach them that trade. George Washington wanted them to become farmers. Thomas Jefferson said “our system is to live in perpetual peace with the Indians” and floated the idea of making them citizens.

    Later on, reservations were set up for the Indians. One of my ancestors, a pre-Civil War General, opposed killing the remaining Indians and supported letting them live on reservations or among Whites. My boss at work is a full blooded Sioux Indian who grew up on a reservation.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  81. Corvinus says:
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    “One thing that needs addressing is the problem of subgroups of Whites spending their whole lives attacking Whites in general.”

    You mean what you are doing right now?

    “And what are they doing? With current non-White immigration they will be majority non-white in a few decades. So what was that noise about?”

    Maybe it’s not as big of a deal as you think it ought to be?

    “It’s like they didn’t really care about being White or even Irish.”

    There you go again with this strict racial litmus test. We’re still waiting for you to explain why ALL whites must think and act as you do…

  82. Mike Tre says:
    @Mark G.

    “Most of the American Indians died from diseases Whites brought with them from Europe rather than being purposely killed by Whites in order to take their land. Since they had not been previously exposed to those diseases, they had not developed any natural immunity to them. ”

    Yep, we gave them small pox, and they gave us syphilis. But for some reason Amerindians deaths matter more.

  83. @Mike Tre

    The big start was in the 1930’s, but I can pin ALL of it down to half a decade – the mid-1960s. One man alone didn’t create it but he sure signed all of the legislation. That would be Socialist Scumbag Lyndon Bastard(?) Johnson. The Welfare State, Mass legal Non-White Immigration, and Affiirmative Action.

    Guess who wouldn’t have signed ANY of that? That would be Barry AuH2O, a true Libertarian-Conservative. Elections might not matter so much now, some say, but they sure mattered in 1964. Americans made the wrong choice, bigly. Those votes ruined the US of A.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  84. @MEH 0910

    The U.S. Virgin Islands consist of the main islands of Saint Croix, Saint John, and Saint Thomas and 50 other surrounding minor islands and cays.[10] The total land area of the territory is 133.73 square miles (346.36 km2).[8] The territory’s capital is Charlotte Amalie on the island of St. Thomas.

    Previously known as the Danish West Indies of the Kingdom of Denmark–Norway (from 1754 to 1814) and the independent Kingdom of Denmark (from 1814 to 1917), they were sold to the United States by Denmark for $25,000,000 in the 1917 Treaty of the Danish West Indies[8] ($614 million in 2024) in which the United States also recognized Denmark’s control over Greenland, and have since been an organized, unincorporated United States territory.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Virgin_Islands

  85. The Hillbilly Congress

    Out in the hills where the pine trees grow,
    Lived the MAGA clan down in Tupelo.
    They trapped and hunted, made moonshine fine,
    But they never once thought along the federal line.

    Then one day ole JD got it in his head,
    Said, *”If folks can vote, why not us instead?”*
    He threw his hat in the local race,
    With a big ole grin on his bearded face.

    The town folks laughed, but the votes came through,
    JD took the seat and the boys did too.
    Ma became the First Lady alright,
    And off they flew on the Spirit Air flight.

    Now Washington, it sure looked like a million dollars
    With Greek statues on buildings and fog in the hollers.
    They soon gave JD the keys to the office and
    Said please don’t mess with that red button, you must promise.”

    The boys all got jobs in the five-angled building
    But they missed their stills and they couldn’t go fishing,
    So they called back home on the party line,
    And spilled them secrets, one at a time.

    Next thing they knew, alarms bells were ringing
    As agents swarmed round, like wasps they was buzzin’
    Who’s been blabbin’ on a chit-chat app
    You can’t text like that, it could be a trap.

    JD said, *“Now hold up, don’t get sore—
    Back home we talk, that’s what talk is for!
    You can’t expect a man to see
    The world’s best gossip and not set it free!”*

    But they put ‘em on a homebound train,
    Said, *”Son, don’t meddle in state domain.”*
    Back to the hills they made their way,
    And politics ain’t been the same to this day.

  86. Mike Tre says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I agree however I was referring to Africa. 🙂

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  87. bomag says:
    @epebble

    Thanks.

    The kind of thing that should get more reckoning.

    Isn’t South Korea leading the way here?

    • Replies: @epebble
  88. epebble says:
    @bomag

    Isn’t South Korea leading the way here?

    In some respects, yes. There used to be a saying that what happens in California eventually will happen in U.S. May be the new formula is, what happens in South Korea will eventually happen in U.S.

  89. Mike Tre says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Yep, Irish subjugation: Totally overstated. Since when did people ever adopt the language of their conquerors?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  90. Tony says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Nobody really cares what Candace Owens has to say. She’s like Jasmine Crocket on the right. She should just go on Only Fans and pose nude.

  91. @dearieme

    I hoped not to assume that you were ignorant of the Penal Laws that kept public offices in the hands of Protestants, but here we are. The Irish could vote for whomever they liked, so long as he was an Anglo-Protestant.

  92. The US Supreme Court issued a 7-2 ruling in favor of the ATF in the Biden Ghost Gun fight.

    Video Link

    Ouch! The Supreme Court Upholds ATF’s Frame and Receiver Rule.

    Video Link

    William Kirk, along the National Associaiton for Gun Rights, gives you all the details from yesterday’s efforts in Olympia to stop HB 1163.

    Video Link
    https://twitter.com/NaviGoBoom/status/1904930063973253329
    https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1905060297318023393
    https://twitter.com/MorosKostas/status/1904905421942407528

  93. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    The Irish (in Ireland) are one example. For generations, they fought against being ruled by Great Britain. Fine. They are independent. And what are they doing? With current non-White immigration they will be majority non-white in a few decades. So what was that noise about?

    People do not like to be bossed around by foreigners. (Heck, I don’t like the situation in the USA.)

    Mike Tre hit the crux of it here:

    The Irish were subjugated by the English/GB for almost a millennia, and the Irish normies have nothing to do with the current flood of immigration taking place there. They didn’t ask for it. Ireland’s “leadership” if you can call it that has sold them out to their globalist masters just like the rest of the West.

    and Alec added some good points as well.

    Let me poke at the general issue, beyond just the Irish:

    1) Trickle Effect (boiling the frog)
    The immivasion is insidiously effective by using the slow drip. An outright invasion–the foreign bastards coming over the hill–will stir the passion of any red-blood man. But Western White gentiles tend to be neighborly. A Paki family drops into your neighborhood, you might not be thrilled, but hey they are “just looking for a better life” you aren’t going to just run ’em out of town. The whole “racism!” and–to pick up the previous thread–“Holocaust!” propaganda that Western man is pickled in play a big role. But then there’s two families, then three … then blacks start showing up with their antics … before you know it “there goes the neighborhood” and nation.

    2) “Our Democracy”
    All the above said, even Western Whites would defend themselves when they sense what’s going on and realize they are indeed being invaded. We saw that with the English riots last year. Likewise, if left alone, American men would self-organize and police the border. But this is where the super-state steps in.

    Properly the state is supposed to be the collective will of the nation’s people, doing the critical jobs that require collective action–stop invasion, preserving it for our posterity; enforce public order, suppress parasitism; and–ideally–provide public services that help the people prosper and thrive. If the government is not the collective will of the people and working to preserve the nation, it has no legitimacy.

    But the minoritarian ideology upends that. Rather than being the collective will of the nation’s people, working to preserve the nation, the purpose of government for the minoritarian is to prevent the nation’s people from “oppressing” minorities. Government acts to suppress the nation’s majority from repelling invasion, from protecting themselves from criminals and parasities–from being able to live in their own communities with their own norms!

    This is what the “Our Democracy” trope from the globo-goons means–the nation’s people from protecting themselves, from governing themselves. Rule by judges and bureaucrats to keep the people in check. This is what we see this Boasberg guy and the like. And this is what the people in all Western nations face. Rather than a government that does its core duty to protect their nation, their governments block and suppress any action by the people to protect the nation themselves.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
  94. ‘…But the minoritarian ideology upends that. Rather than being the collective will of the nation’s people…’

    This is one of the ironies of the current day.

    Even the most absolutist of the rulers of the past usually sincerely wanted the best for their people. Theodosius, Louis IX, Alexander III, Francisco Franco — they all really wanted what they conceived of as best for Romans/Frenchmen/Russians/Spaniards. They wanted lots of fat and happy oiks — really. And as an end in itself, not just as a means to some machiavellian goal.

    Now? In theory, we have a government of the people — which displays at best a decided indifference to the actual fate of the majority of the people. At least some of our representatives and senators don’t appear to care about what happens to us in the least. They don’t represent us at all — not even in the sense that a medieval monarch or your average twentieth century dictator represented his people.

  95. @Tony

    Nobody really cares what Candace Owens has to say… She should just go on Only Fans and pose nude.

    You misspelled Pam Bondi. (That will probably turn out to be the only thing she’s good for.)

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  96. @Mike Tre

    Oops. Never mind! My rant still stands, of course.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
  97. @MEH 0910

    Decent TakiMag piece by Steve.

    Trump’s weird, dickhead foreign policy strikes me as the dovetailing of two elements:

    1) Trump’s a real-estate guy.
    Everything is land and deals–good deal, bad deal. While not a complete turnip like Biden or Harris, Trump isn’t a particularly smart guy and more on point just has no intellectual interest. I doubt he’s ever given any thought to what is civilization? or what is a nation? Nor what makes a nation successful today. Nor any ideas about what is ailing America and what could done, what would help Americans–ex. help young Americans have families.

    To Trump real estate and good deal vs. bad deal pretty much covers it.

    2) Trump is incredibly narcissistic, and yet weirdly insecure.
    Trump is right about everything. Every thought that pops into his head is first rate. And everything Trump does is the best–a win.

    And–critically–Trump must somehow “leave his mark” to prove down through the ages that he was here and made America the best ever. And how can he do that … well obviously, by changing the map, making America bigger! More real estate!

    In this way, Trump is actually quite like Putin, though presumable less casually cruel. The stuff that actually matters–immigration, affordable family formation, eugenic fertility, strengthening the nation’s people and making their nation’s future bright is just too small. These guys need to be big, change the map, letting everyone forever know that they were here and were great.

    • Agree: epebble, Hail
    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  98. Wj says:

    The open comment section is good. Far better than the old SS posts. I couldn’t care less about black girl magic or world War hair or movie reviews

    • Agree: epebble
  99. Justice Thomas NUKES The Rest Of The SCOTUS With COMMON SENSE Over Gun Ruling.

  100. Hail says: • Website
    @MEH 0910

    Why are Trump & Vance threatening to invade the Frozen North?

    James K. Polk gave up on America conquering valuable British Columbia in 1846, so why is Trump intent on getting Greenland “one way or the other?”

    Steve Sailer
    March 26, 2025

    From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

    Danish Diplomacy

    One of the more curious aspects of the second Trump administration is how, without warning to voters, the White House has suddenly become more pugnacious than James K. Polk at threatening wars of conquest […]

    JD Vance told Fox News:

    Denmark, which controls Greenland, it’s not doing its job and it’s not being a good ally. So you have to ask yourself: “How are we going to solve that problem, solve our national security?” If that means that we need to take more territorial interest in Greenland, that is what President Trump is going to do, because he doesn’t care about what the Europeans scream at us. He cares about putting the interest of America’s citizens first.

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/why-are-trump-and-vance-threatening

    Steve Sailer is right to attack these people who have transmogrified into petty, undisciplined, unprincipled, myopic bullies after a few months in the limelight. These people who clamor to unilaterally annex foreign territories and even countries.

    (No one mentioned Greenland annexation and similar ideas in the 2015-16 campaign, the 2020 campaign, or the 2024 campaign. As for the fanatically pro-Israel foreign-policy including aggressive interventionism [Trump’s “Israel’s wars are America’s Wars”], it was mentioned but was not front-and-center to basic messaging.)

    Sailer continues:

    Denmark’s immigration restriction policies ought to have served as a role model for America over the past two dozen years.

    In other words, Denmark is close to America’s ideal ally.

    These are all reasons why nobody in America was sore at Denmark until Trump decided he was. Now, though, many are scrambling to come up with rationalizations for why Denmark deserves to have Greenland stolen from it.

    Presumably, Trump doesn’t really want to go to war with Denmark, he just wants to extort a lower price.

    But vindicating wars of conquest is one of the worst ideas imaginable in 2025.

    So often the problem when you use reckless rah-rah flagwaving as a tactic, or fall into hapless hubris as Vance has done — you get a low-info, low-thinking idiot contingent (“patriotards”) get all hyped up for the latest thing. And the stupidity gets locked in.

    The Left had this with an element of the Corona-Panic coalition in 2020-2022. They were irresponsible. These buffoonish Trump-II people are falling into the same trap in potentially even worse ways.

    Here is Steve Sailer’s summary of the pro-Annexation of Greenland side:

    I realize that a bunch of kids on Twitter think that Nietzsche made modern war sound like great fun.

    I realize that paying attention to international recognition sounds wussy

    Here Steve Sailer attacks Israel and the band of ironclad-pro-Israel influencers that mostly controlled his foreign policy in the first term, and control it in a truly absolute way in the second term:

    the Trump-Kushner administration recognized Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights. One could argue that Israel is special, but then, Trump-Kushner recognized mediocre Morocco’s invasion of Spain’s former colony of Western Sahara in order to secure Morocco’s recognition of Israel.

    To me, it sounds like a tedious imbroglio to take on responsibility for a bunch of drunken Eskimos who owe zero loyalty to America. But you can just do things, so what do I know relative to teenage Trump enthusiasts on X?

    Steve Sailer’s argument for principled nonintervention and non-bullying and petty-insult politics against neighbors and friends in all directions (The Trump Foreign Policy)

    [T]he fact that the United States could conquer Canada and Mexico but hasn’t, has contributed to the rest of the world more or less acceding to American world leadership. That America has such a fine piece of real estate that it doesn’t bother to bully its immediate neighbors suggests that it won’t attempt to pilfer the rest of the world.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Pericles
  101. Mark G. says:
    @Almost Missouri

    “This persisted until the 1930s when someone had the idea to create a welfare state.”

    Would this person have a first name starting with “F”, a middle name starting with “D” and a last name starting with “R”?

    A problem with Blacks are their economic views. A 2022 Pew survey found 52% of Blacks have a positive view of socialism, compared to 31% of Whites. Blacks really like a big government welfare state and free stuff and Democrats pander to them to get their votes. Republicans have difficulty competing here. In the 2020 election Trump offered his Platinum Plan to them but most Blacks still voted Democrat. Democrats are willing to offer Blacks more.

    Blacks as a percentage of the population has been rising since the thirties, due to Black births being subsidized by the government, while the White percentage of the population has been shrinking. The Black percentage of the population would be even higher if you subtracted out all the Hispanics and Asians who have come here in recent decades.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  102. @Mike Tre

    I do support the right of the Irish to have their own country by the way. And I am sure they were abused by the British. But, it was all for naught if they turn into Morocco. I would like them to learn to be loyal to themselves – not a doctrine or set of words or “globalism”.

    If you really believed in the things you say you’d support the Irish being Irish first, and white second.

    I get that various populations of Whites want their own countries. That makes sense. But they should all realize they have something in common as Whites.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  103. Hail says: • Website

    Steve Sailer revisits his “vaccine conspiracy theory” of 2020 (but declines to wade into waters of how statistically dangerous the rushed “Covid” vaccines may have been; and what the age-and-condition cutoff ought to have been):

    The World’s Least Popular True Conspiracy Theory

    The Feds are finally investigating what I’ve been pointing out since November 2020: Pfizer shut down its Operation Warp Speed vax clinical trial from late October until the day after the election.

    by Steve Sailer
    March 26, 2025

    “Federal prosecutors in Manhattan are probing a claim by GSK that Pfizer delayed announcing its COVID shot’s success in 2020 until after that year’s election, the Wall Street Journal reported […]”

    […] Pfizer had shut down processing of samples in its clinical trial from late October 2020 to the day after the election. If not for that remarkable deviation from its publicly announced protocol, Pfizer may well have announced that its vaccine had passed efficacy benchmarks a week or so earlier, perhaps Monday, November 2, the day before the Election. If that had happened, Trump would have spent the last 24 hours of his campaign trumpeting the success of his Operation Warp Speed. […]

    In a hilarious development, because Operation Warp Speed’s success was not announced in time to help Trump, which would have of course made Trump supporters very pro-vaccine and left liberals the main vaccine skeptics (as has historically been common), Trump supporters completely forgot Operation Warp Speed and declared vaccines a dangerous conspiracy. […]

    Today, RFK Jr. is working on solving the no more measles epidemics problem for us.

    But it’s easy to imagine an alternate timeline in which Pfizer announced the efficacy of its vaccine on the day before the election [election day: Tuesday, November 3, 2020], Trump is re-elected, and now anti-vaccine conspiracy theorizing remains what it was during the election campaign when fear, uncertainty, and doubt about a Trump vaccine were being spread by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris

    Steve Sailer states his theory directly and succinctly a little later:

    [T]he shutdown of processing of lab samples for approximately one week delayed the efficacy announcement from Monday, November 2, 2020 to Monday, November 9, 2020 (36 hours after the media announced Biden the victor Saturday, November 7)

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/the-worlds-least-popular-true-conspiracy

    In the top-ranked comment, the pro-Sailer voice, commenter on the Sailer-Unz blog, and Substack subscriber JMcG calls this essay by Sailer “disappointing” and “calumny” against the Covid-vaccine-skeptic side.

  104. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    Erik, who says he is a medical professional, critiques Sailer’s latest with this:

    The vaccine should have been solidly recommended for anyone over 60 or 65 with no push to vaccinate any otherwise healthy person under 40. In between the recommendation should be based on how healthy you are and how much contact you have with others.

    It’s possible the true cost-benefit cutoff line, absent complicating factors, should have even been age 70 or even 75; and the “advise against taking” line possibly should have been as high as age 50.

    Different researchers working at different times under different assumptions will come up with different numbers.

    The important thing is, there should have been this kind of three-tiered recommendation system. We know enough, now, to know that. The vaccine was good, on net, for some; the vaccine was bad, on net, for the majority (the younger and healthier, active population). That it was forced on the majority of the population when only a minority should have gotten it, that was one of the many errors of the Corona-Panic period.

    Given DJT’s demagogic-narcissistic instincts, it’s possible he wouldn’t have been able to handle the nuance of a three-tiered system for a product he, after all, created.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Mark G.
    , @Mike Tre
  105. Mark G. says:
    @Jack D

    “Muslim pirates disrupted shipping in the Mediterranean”

    At one time, Islam was the major threat to Europe. In the medieval era, Islam and Catholicism vied for control of Europe. Both of these religions had strong repressive and anti-science tendencies. The Islamic scientific golden age happened in spite of Islam, not because of it.

    The repressiveness of Catholicism moderated under the influence of the Enlightenment but the Enlightenment never penetrated into the Islamic countries of the Middle East. Islam is not really compatible with an advanced technological society. What technology it has is mostly imported from non-Islamic societies.

    • Agree: bomag
  106. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    Sailer-Substack commenter Sweet Mama says:

    The “vaccines” that weren’t, were neither safe nor effective, and there’s lots of evidence that they knew it.

    And it’s been disappointing that Trump continued to push the Big pHarma narrative that the toxic jabs “saved 100 million lives”, when in fact it saved no one and has killed more than 20 million people worldwide so far (that we know of, because they are still NOT collecting that data in many countries). The death and injury tolls have continued to be elevated years after the jabs.

    Trump was extremely naive and prone to being bought in his first term, which is why he appointed Big pHarma executives to run “public health” after Pfizer donated $1 Million to his inauguration.

    The Anti-Gnostic replies, offering a five-year-retrospective on the Corona-Panic:

    Trump was caught in a purity spiral; we all were.

    He couldn’t point out this was a respiratory virus that would just have to play itself out without hysterical Leftists screaming that meemaw survived the Holocaust but she was being KILLED by Trump. He couldn’t point out it was a lab leak without being accused of outright insanity. Same for masks and keeping grandparents away from their grandchildren.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  107. Hail says: • Website

    Steve Sailer suggests Othello was better off played by White men; or, at least, that Othello no longer works under an artistic regime of post-racialism, much less Wokeness:

    Washington Post: Too many blacks in Denzel’s “Othello”

    A critic complains that Jake Gyllenhaal’s Iago isn’t racist enough toward Denzel Washington’s Othello.

    by Steve Sailer
    March 26, 2025

    For about a century, it’s been common to set productions of Shakespeare’s plays in times and places unknown to Shakespeare. For example, the 22-year-old Orson Welles electrified the New York theater world in 1937 by staging Julius Caesar in then-contemporary Fascist Europe with snazzy military uniforms and Nuremberg rally-style lighting. […]

    [Wokeness] has caused no end of trouble for the British film and television industry, since they have an incredibly rich literary legacy, almost all of it written by and portraying whites, for the simple reason that very few nonwhites lived in Britain until quite recently.

    This led, first, to the dictum that the small number of classic roles depicting non-Europeans must be reserved for People of Color. For example, it used to be assumed that major white Shakespearean actors like Welles [in 1951, own movie], Sir Lawrence Olivier [in 1965, movie], Paul Scofield [in 1980, stage play?], and Anthony Hopkins [in 1981, tv movie?] would of course play Othello.

    After all, it’s by no means clear from the text of the play that Othello, a Christian Moor, is sub-Saharan African. He could be a Caucasian North African as Michael Gambon played him in the early 1990s to critical abuse [stage play, 1990; Michael Gambon previously played Othello in a 1965 movie]. […]

    I’d bet that Shakespeare, a professional showman, more or less conceived of Othello as sub-Saharan, because sub-Saharans tend to be more entertaining than sur-Saharan Moroccans. But I also suspect that Shakespeare didn’t imagine that 400 years in the future people would expect him to have chosen between North African and sub-Saharan African. It was all kind of woozy yonder down south to Shakespeare.

    Second, and more recently, the Brits have imposed strict racial quotas on productions, with wacky results:

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/washington-post-too-many-blacks-in

    ___________

    The Washington Post review of Jake Gyllenhaal & Denzel Washington’s Othello, which Steve Sailer is reacting to, has a Hindu reviewer slamming the play as mediocre because it is produced in, and seeks to portray, “a post-racial no-man’s-land” (hence Steve Sailer’s post title, “Washington Post: Too many blacks in Denzel’s Othello’…”):

    [MORE]

    Denzel Washington and Jake Gyllenhaal lead an oddly unserious ‘Othello’

    The big-ticket revival of Shakespeare’s tragedy lacks a big-ticket idea.

    Review by Naveen Kumar
    March 24, 2025
    Washington Post

    Broadway’s hottest spring ticket promises two Big Stars facing off in a Meaty Tragedy with challenging moral themes and a tangled legacy. But the production of “Othello” co-headlined by Denzel Washington and Jake Gyllenhaal lacks a Big Idea to make it seem like much more than a massive overinvestment. […]

    It pains me to say, as an admirer of thorny texts and risk-taking celebrities onstage, that “Othello” offers scant reward, even if your only sacrifice were time — and even that is arguably too precious. […]

    Iago’s motivations are the subject of scholarly debate — because he spits out so many and yet refuses to cop to any — but Gyllenhaal’s performance is rooted in convincing emotion. As his jealousy and spite curdle into bloodthirsty rage, it’s uncomfortable to admit that you feel for the guy.

    That’s possible, at least in part, because racism is excluded from his cauldron of hate. Though Iago still likens Othello to all manner of barnyard animals with a sneer, Iago’s wife, Emilia, is played by a Black actor (an appealingly frank Kimber Elayne Sprawl). So is the governor of Cyprus (Ezra Knight), who holds off a failed invasion with support from the Venetian troops. […]

    This is color-conscious casting as a kind of cop-out. Whether “Othello” traffics in or refutes reductive stereotypes — if Othello’s lustful jealousy is a racially tinged tragic flaw, if he’s a good man surrounded by terrible people, or whatever the case may be — is also a subject for debate.

    But the “moorish” general’s race, and what it means in the context of the story, demands interpretation onstage. At the very least, suggesting that Othello’s race is even somewhat incidental strips the play of complexity. What are we to make of the sour attitudes toward him? Does alienation not figure into his vengeful paranoia? There are a hundred possible arguments, but failure to come up with a strong one strands this production in a post-racial no-man’s-land, where Washington is playing a hero in search of an identity. […]

    [Denzel] Washington has demonstrated tremendous onstage presence, so his tendency to recede here is curious. He often speaks at a low clip, swallowing words or running them together, racing through verse as though its meaning were obvious rather than using the poetry to make it clear. […]

    It’s as though Washington is locked in a battle against the role — taming Othello’s demons to make him more silly than menacing, inviting laughs to preempt ridicule — and the result is an enigma where some sort of man ought to be.

  108. @Hail

    The only things interesting about these serial Substack dumps is their (1) delinquency and (2) apologism.

    1. Dozens of commenters here were making the same points years ago. In shilling for Big Pharma, Sailer never Noticed, for example, the important relative/absolute distinction in the context of statistical efficacy pointed out by those like Kratoklastes or, worse yet, feigned so.

    2. “Trump was caught in a purity spiral; we all were.” No, we all weren’t.

    Sailer failed the COVID test. And the end of Whimming — something else that was denied and still is by a few apologized for — has quickened the erosion of his credibility and reputation as a public intellectual.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  109. Mark G. says:
    @Hail

    “It’s possible the true cost-benefit cutoff line, absent complicating factors, should have even been age 70”

    I was 63 when the Covid epidemic hit. I went over a year without getting Covid, only getting it after a serious accident caused by someone else. I got Covid while I was trying to recover from my accident. Most people in their sixties who had serious cases of Covid had additional health issues, like me, instead of just being old. I was in no danger of Covid killing me but my accident was another story. It was only because a woman saw me staggering along the side of the road covered in blood right after my accident and got me to a hospital that I survived my accident.

    The cost-benefit analysis involving an inadequately tested vaccine with unknown long term effects would have changed if there had been an alternative. Some individual doctors had good success rates with early home treatments involving nutritional supplements, expired patent drugs and cheap patented steroid drugs but these treatments never became widely available because doctors offering them were threatened with the loss of their licenses. There was more money to be made by mass vaccinations and the use of expensive patented drugs like Remdesivir in hospital treatments.

  110. @Greta Handel

    Too bad there’s been no shrine erected for TUR alumnus C. J. Hopkins. Despite years of persecution for dempanic dissent in Germany, he appears to be back in vintage form, connecting several things about life in the 21st century that Sailer pretty much never Noticed:
    https://consentfactory.org/2025/03/26/the-war-on-whatever/

    • Thanks: Hail, emil nikola richard
  111. @Hail

    I have a peculiar theory about Othello; maybe this has been floated a lot before and I just never noticed. Or maybe it is easily refuted and so that’s why it’s not discussed. I don’t study Othello and never have, I’m not fond of it.

    My theory is simply this: race and “racism” would not have mattered to Shakespeare, there just weren’t enough blacks around for anyone to be bothered with it. But something else would have interested him, which is why he made the character an African.

    Othello is my least-liked of the major tragedies, largely because a) I find racial issues to be a tiresome subject for serious art, and b) more importantly, I’ve never believed that a guy as accomplished and as confident as Othello would really fall for Iago’s nonsense. *Unless*

    Othello really, really dislikes Muslims. That is partly because as a youth he was for a while a slave of Muslims — and Muslims castrate their male slaves, especially the black ones. So when Iago asks, “Are you *fast* married?”, he’s implying that he knows Othello cannot truly consummate his marriage, and that therefore he married Desdemona for other reasons — her youth and beauty, her empathy towards his troubled past, and subconsciously because “Aw yeah — I be fuckin’ a white girl!” Which could give him a guilty conscience, and inspire Iago’s enmity. The whole idea of Desdemona’s imaginary infidelity is therefore a smokescreen for more sinister lurking issues.

    And now, on to the theory, by Ann Elk, of brontosauruses.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri, Hail
  112. @Ron Unz

    So Ron, what’s it take to stop needing my comments to be approved?
    After many years of autoposting my stuff, Sailer retaliated for a snotty remark I made about his dog by holding them for 12 hours or so.
    I haven’t dissed your dog. have I?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  113. Old Prude says:
    @MEH 0910

    I thought Sailer’s latest at Takis was about people pretending to be turtles. I was rather shocked at some of the language he was using. Oops! Wrong Steve.

    The Turtle article was better than the Danish article, but it really had already been done years ago by Fred Reed riffing on a female lieutenant who insisted she was a cephalopod who could feel her other six arms and was micro-aggressed by calamari served in the mess hall.

  114. Hail says: • Website

    MAKE AMERICA GO AWAY (MAGA) cap introduced

    A Greenlandic patriot, Aannguaq Reimer-Johansen, has produced a new MAGA cap as he and others try to rally unity and resistance against Blumpfian imperialism:

    The cap, in red with white font, copies the designBlumpf made famous. It says “Make America Go Away.” The main symbol of the Greenlandic flag appears on the side.

    The creator and promoter of the cap, Mr. Aannguaq Reimer-Johansen, has plenty of White-European ancestry combined with substantial Inuit-Eskimo ancestry via his mother. That assessment is after a review of his public Facebook page, which is where he first introduced the cap and started gaining what has been, be Greenlandic standards, major attention.

    Also of interest on this unlikely Greenlandic hero of the hour: Aannguaq Reimer-Johansen is involved with the Greenlandic trading company KNI A/S, where he is a “maneger.” KNI A/S is “the successor to the Royal Greenland Trading Department, which controlled the government of Greenland itself from 1774 to 1908 and possessed a monopoly on Greenlandic trade from 1776 to 1950. Today, the company remains a major component of the Greenlandic economy and remains fully owned by the local government.”

    The history of this company, now called KNI A/S, is testament to Greenland’s long centuries as a protectorate of Denmark. Blumpf blunders in and says “Hey, there’s no reason they should have ties to Greenland; I wanna grab it, get lost.; no time for talk; have my people get on a messaging app to coordinate out campaign to undermine these Greenlandic bozos, and prepare slots in that El Salvador mega-prison for Greenlandic dissidents and resisters. And Canada, you’re next.”

    ___________

    Aannguaq Reimer-Johansen posted a message, in the Inuit language and Danish, accompanying his “Make America Go Away” cap. The Danish version auto-translates as:

    Call to citizens: Vance’s wife’s visit is a charm offensive.

    If you take a smiling selfie with them, you send a signal to the whole world that you love the United States and want to be a part of it.

    Therefore, do not show interest.

    We have already shown our position through a large demonstration. Let’s stand firm and stick together.

    The original was posted on the weekend of March 22-23, after the White House announced the Hindu-brahmin-elite wife of the USA’s anti-European vice president would make a leisurely tour of scenic Greenland, to observe the famous dogsled races (probably along with a contingent of security officials), although that part of the USA’s latest pressure campaign has now reportedly been altered:

    Sisimiuni innuttaasoqatinnut innersuut: Vancep nuliata tikeraarnera qujangeqqusaarneruvoq. Qungujukkussigit qungujullusiluunniit assileqatigigussigit nunarsuarmi tamat paasitissuasi USA nuannaralugu peqataaffigerusullugulu. Innersuukkusunnarpoq soqutigineqassanngittut, akerliussutsimik takutitserujussuaqqammerpungut tamanna attallungu soqutiginaveersaarniartingit.

    Opfordring til borgere: Vances kones besøge er en charmeoffensiv. Hvis I tager et smilende selfie med dem, sender I et signal til hele verden om, at I elsker USA og ønsker at være en del af det. Lad derfor være med at vise interesse. Vi har allerede vist vores holdning gennem en stor demonstration. Lad os stå fast og holde sammen.

  115. @Tony

    You and the rest of us here may not care what she has to say, but she has a big audience, much of it probably susceptible to the effect I mentioned. That is the point.

  116. Voltarde says:
    @Mark G.

    Both of these religions had strong repressive and anti-science tendencies.

    Meh. As a scientist by profession, I can’t agree.

    “The answer to almost every question in life is . . . a statistical distribution.”

    Take my favorite Jesuit (. . . please!), the Venerable Matteo Ricci. Deeply religious in word and deed, and an impressive scientist. There are countless others.

    Moreover, there is positive (natural) selection pressure (i.e., they are advantageous from an evolutionary standpoint) for some “anti-science tendencies,” and some are morally defensible.

    War has always been horrible. Science greatly amplified its horrors and destructiveness. See WWI and WWII.

    Science also made globalization not only possible, but inevitable. Again, the results span a statistical distribution of desirability. It’s neither all upside nor downside.

    Religion may kill some of the people some of the time. It may even kill most of the people some of the time. In the darkest hours of history religion may have killed most of the people most of the time.

    But only “science” has the potential to kill all of the people for all time.

    This can happen not just by nuclear war. Of late, people flush with money and hubris who don’t really understand why certain biological materials (DNA, RNA, proteins, etc.) do not exist in nature are now using AI to design novel “synthetic biology” products and even living systems whose inadvertent or malicious release could kill us all.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  117. @Stan Adams

    A lot of people are saying the funniest part of this story is

    • the Jews accusing each other of murderous antisemitism, or

    • the victim of the shooting by a Jew calling for “Death to the Arabs!”, which is what the Jewish shooter thought he was already practicing, or

    • the victim’s instant switch from murderous genocidism to kumbaya-coexistence-ism after he learned of his mistake, but

    • my candidate for the funniest part is the Daily Mail’s mis-labeling of the anti-ballistic protection worn by the defendant as a “suicide vest”.

  118. Mark G. says:
    @Voltarde

    I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with you that science can be used for bad purposes and has the potential to wipe out the human race. That was not really what I was trying to say in my previous comment, though, that science is always good. My previous comment was about the anti-science tendencies of Islam. The Islamic scientific golden age largely occurred because some copies of the Greek and Roman classics continued to exist in the Middle East and they encouraged an interest in science. Science declined in the Islamic world later on under the influence of Islamic philosophers like Al-Ghazali. The Middle East then remained a scientific backwater for hundreds of years while Europe was going through the Renaissance, 18th century Enlightenment, and 19th century Industrial Revolution.

    A world with science can potentially lead to bad results but a world without science would consign the human race to a world where the average life expectancy is in the thirties.

  119. Mike Tre says:
    @Hail

    “The vaccine should have been solidly recommended for anyone over 60 or 65 with no push to vaccinate any otherwise healthy person under 40. In between the recommendation should be based on how healthy you are and how much contact you have with others. ”

    Even this supposed more level headed suggestion goes to far. “Solidly recommended”? Based on what? Does everyone already forget that even among the elderly, comorbidities were something like 90%? Is there even any proof that this mRNA injection held any benefit to anyone regardless of age?

    That commenter can take his “otherwise healthy person under 40” and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. Try any otherwise healthy person under the age of oh… say… infinity..

    Further, my take is that Sailer is attempting to deflect from that fact that he himself was a huge, chest thumping proponent of everyone getting injected with this shit, and he is attempting to obscure that fact by criticizing the unethical and dishonest and cynical politicking surrounding the efficacy stuff around the election.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-lets-be-over-and-done-in-21/

    • Agree: Greta Handel
    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @Corpse Tooth
    , @Mark G.
  120. Mike Tre says:
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    ” But they should all realize they have something in common as Whites. ”

    Is that was the British were doing all this time? Acting under the realization of their fellow whites?

    Anyway, I”m sure all of the highbrow intellectuals will scoff at a bombastic controversial layman having the audacity to run for higher office, but Ireland’s current most famous person is apparently running for president there and seems to have quite an Ireland first message:

    https://nypost.com/2025/03/20/sports/conor-mcgregor-says-hes-running-for-president-in-ireland/

  121. @Hail

    Hello, Mr. Hail. This part really pisses me off, enough to where I’m glad now that I’m not throwing in a little money:

    In a hilarious development, because Operation Warp Speed’s success was not announced in time to help Trump, which would have of course made Trump supporters very pro-vaccine and left liberals the main vaccine skeptics (as has historically been common), Trump supporters completely forgot Operation Warp Speed and declared vaccines a dangerous conspiracy. […]

    Bull. As you’d written at the time, the Panic/Anti-Panic divide did not line up with our standard left/right. It was more about Daddy-Gov-knows-best people vs skeptics, skeptics of the Potomac Regime and Globalist evil. We know which side iSteve was on in ’20-’21, and he doesn’t make himself look any better in that excerpt.

    Many more skeptics of the whole system are MAGA types. Of course we are for Trump, as an only option for now (something I imagine you’d agree with to some degree). We were also completely against the PanicFest, most especially the Totalitarianism, but guys like me saw the UBI experiment and $4-$6 Trillion of more borrowing as a bad thing too. With the arrival of the vax came talk about it being mandatory, and that rightly set us off too. (For me, it being made mandatory via workplace enforcement was my very first impetus to decide to NEVER take it. More reasons came later.)

    Sorry, what Steve Sailer wrote is just wrong. Trump pushed the vax because he is a braggart and thinks he alone can save Americans from anything. He went along with some of the PanicFest early on because he, as usual, trusted the wrong “EXPERTS” and didn’t trust his usually-very-good instincts. (He was covering his ass, somewhat unusual for him.) MAGA types wanted nothing to do with the vax before the ’20 election, and we wanted nothing to do with it after.

    Those of us with memories longer than that of goldfish DO remember Operation Warp Speed, and we didn’t like it then, and we don’t like it now. Trump shut up when it came to bragging about the vax during the ’24 campaign because he knew we didn’t want to hear it. He knew that because we booed him. (I and a couple of guys booed him at a smaller-sized indoor rally in ’16 when he got all NeoConnie* for a bit. I don’t know if he heard it or not – I was in the back.)

    Steve Sailer is an honest guy. It must be where he gets his info. and who he hangs out with that explains how he doesn’t understand your average MAGA patriot. I was about to write “He needs to get out of his closet more.” or something, but he has been getting out and traveling over the last couple of years. Is it that he’s mostly among big fans and doesn’t get into the vax topic with them?

    PS: JMcG is usually right on the money – glad to see that.

    .

    * No, sorry, that’s not about any new version of the Lockheed Constellation. Too bad!

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    , @Hail
  122. Mr. Anon says:

    With The Donald………..The Winning……………..It just never stops!

    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114231437487201538

    “Senator Lindsey Graham has my Complete and Total Endorsement for Re-Election — HE WILL NOT LET YOU DOWN. Everyone in South Carolina should help Lindsey have a BIG WIN next year!”

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  123. Mr. Anon says:
    @Hail

    Steve always had a cartoon-like understanding of the COVID regime.

    Trump actually started to alienate a lot of his base when he started talking about the (excuse me – His…………His!) “Big Beautiful Vaccine”.

    But, in the end, they rallied around him. A lot of Trump’s base isn’t that bright – the real MAGA-tards, the ones who wave “Trump” flags and buy Trump-merch.

  124. @Achmed E. Newman

    And out of the pile Achmed breaks free! He’s across the 30 … the 20 .. 15 .. 10 .. 5 .

    [MORE]

    Steve Sailer is an honest guy.

    fumble.

  125. @Mr. Anon

    Here I don’t agree Mr. Anon, and that’s not because I think you called ME out with the dash on the end.

    People are not so stupid as to let the invasion continue – 4 more years of what Bie Dien, or his Globalist handlers, were doing would have meant THE END, demographically. I could see this coming. Trump was voted in to stop this. I am not pleased with the deportation numbers (though I am with the purposeful visibility of it), the ignorance on H1B and all legal immigration, but he’s been doing the job! This IS JOB 1.

    That Trump was stupid about the vax, well, I don’t see that as having been a good enough reason to let the country get swamped even more irreversibly. That’d have been going on right now, Mr. Anon.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Mr. Anon
  126. Why do they put blacks everywhere, even in trivial videos? This is annoying, just my opinion …

  127. @Mike Tre

    God speed to that guy.

    Just imagine if WWI and WWII hadn’t been fought. We’d have saved between 60 t0 80 million white people. Think of the amazing science and tech that was coming out of Germany, Heck, most of our drugs were invented in Germany 80 to 100 years ago! The EKG and the XRay were invented 125 years ago. Somehow we lost the fountainhead of new miracles drugs and devices.

    If we had avoided both world wars, we might have had a far higher standard of living and better healthcare than we do today. Loved ones who died might still be alive. Think on that, the next time someone speaks of the glories of war in the modern world.

  128. dearieme says:
    @Mr. Anon

    in the end, they rallied around him

    They don’t have much choice: he’s the lesser weevil.

    Compare Hillary, Biden, Kamala – they and their tribes are puke-provokingly horrible.

    Therefore vote for the absurd narcissist. He might even do enough good to cancel the harm he will do.
    You might say that his first couple of months shows promise. Heavens, he might even put an end to that charnel-house war in Ukraine. You never know.

    Mind you, I still suspect the Dems will have him shot. Perhaps Musk too.

  129. Hail says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    Trump actually started to alienate a lot of his base when he started talking about the (excuse me – His…………His!) “Big Beautiful Vaccine”.

    But, in the end, they rallied around him.

    The Trump/MAGA base differs across the different eras, of course. It’s not static. Steve Sailer famously said that Trump “dumbed down the Republican Party,” which is true to an important degree, never more true than this stage, in the mid-2020s. The ongoing trainwrecks speak for themselves. Dumbed down plus oligarchic control. The Left’s critique is not wrong. Except that I’d add more on Israel than most of the mainstream-Left want to do.

    The ten-year anniversary is approaching of Trump launching his first campaign. He launched it, most will recall, with an attack on consensus immigrationist policy. The line “They’re not sending their best,” with nominal reference to Mexico but really a rallying-cry against anti-White immigration per se. (The “Not sending their best” line was given on June 16, 2015, 11:09 AM EDT, at the Trump Hotel, Manhattan; a historic moment one way or another.)

    We might divide the past ten years into five two-year units, and could identify clear differences in the Trump/MAGA coalition between each of them.

    – 1.) mid-2015 to mid-2017
    – 2.) mid 2017 to mid-2019
    – 3.) mid 2019 to mid-2021
    – 4.) mid 2021 to mid-2023
    – 5.) mid 2023 to mid-2025

    You could create typical profiles of pro-Trump or MAGA constituent elements by: date of entry into active support, and date of exit from active support.

    My recollection is: There were a fair number of higher-info, morally-serious, thinking people leaving the Trump/MAGA movement starting by around the end of 2018 and were more-or-less gone, or nearly so, by mid-2019. They never again quite got back on the “Trump Train,” even if some got hyped up for the next big election spectacle. These people are “Join at 1, Leave at 2” people per the list.

    For this group, the mists of the euphoric 2016 victory and the let’s-hope-it-all-goes-well thinking that carried through 2017 (even forgiving things such as Trump bombing Syria. That one happened, in typical Trump style, because of a proposal by his airheaded daughter, Ivanka. She saw a photograph of a dead child while on her way to worship at her Jewish synagogue with Kushner; her suggestion to bomb Syria was quickly egged on by many malevolent parties and inspired a rebellion by Steve Bannon).

    Meanwhile, the people who were still pro-Trump in an active sense up through early- or mid-2020 but then turned against him because of the vaccines (the worst of the mandates coming under Biden, conveniently for Blumpf), are another distinct group (Join at 1 or 2; Leave at 3 or 4).

    The much-vaunted rise in Nonwhite support for Trump are actually big laggards and simply latched onto the movement at a very late stage. Some of them are “Join 4” or even “Join 5” people.

    There are ways that Trump-II is worse than Trump-I. It’s quite different in character, offering a different range of inducements for people to join (or leave), attracting some, repelling others. Opportunists run the show, to a great extent. The huge commitment to Israel’s interests is highly distasteful and may end up being the ruin of the USA itself. These people are much more interested in Jewish ethnonationalism, and their various narcissistic-demagogic hangups and tough-guy feuds with leftist media, than they are interested in White-Christian interests in the USA.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  130. @Bill Jones

    I haven’t dissed your dog. have I?

    No, but we can tell you were thinking about it.

  131. Hail says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Trump was voted in to stop [Third Worldization via immigration- and nationality-policy]. I am not pleased with the deportation numbers (though I am with the purposeful visibility of it), the ignorance on H1B and all legal immigration, but he’s been doing the job!

    This from C. J. Hopkins yesterday:

    [P]eople who are in the country illegally can be detained and deported according to existing laws. Criminals can be arrested and jailed. Rounding up brown people based on what some cop thinks of their tattoos […] and renditioning them off to a Salvadoran gulag without due process is not that. And, yes, I’m also referring to the Khalil case, which is a freedom of speech case.

    What this is is an authoritarian show of force, meant to placate people frustrated about illegal immigration, which is occurring everywhere, not because countries are sending gang members (or refugees) to do damage to the USA, or anywhere else, but because GloboCap has been globalizing the labor force and dissolving national borders, and national sovereignty, for decades. It has also been destabilizing and restructuring the Middle East for decades, which is what has caused most of the immigration problems in Europe, where I live.

    I appreciate that people are frustrated with what has been happening, but try to see the big picture and the actual forces at play, not just the “monster movie” the current Powers That Be are screening for you.

    Ann Coulter, too, sides with C. J. Hopkins on “the Khalil case,” calling for freedom for this Palestinian student. Khalil, a stateless Palestinian, is to be deported possibly an Israeli dungeon, because while a student he led anti-Israel protests in the USA last year.

    Quote from Ann Coulter, two weeks ago:

    “Zionist org preps list of foreign pro-Hamas students, hoping Trump will deport them,” by Job Levine, March 10, 2025

    [Ann Coulter comments:] There’s almost no one I don’t want to deport, but, unless they’ve committed a crime, isn’t this a violation of the first amendment?

    Ann Coulter’s objection is on first-amendment grounds — and possibly against the unrestrained use of Jewish power and influence on behalf of Israel. A puppetization of the USA. The process is managed less by the front-men (many of whom Trump liked because he saw them on tv a lot of times), and more by a range of obsequious assistants and manipulative yes-men. (Classic of this type is this Will Scharf, the man who narrates the “executive orders” that DJT signs in front of cameras several times a week; Will Scharf’s narration-explanation of the executive orders bloat up to two, three times their necessary length as he crams in as much flattery as possible).

    Israel’s ongoing, mega-scale “influence operation” has shown that its priorities come first; and that its priorities are not veto-able by anyone. Bombing Israel’s enemies, undermining neutral states in Europe and elsewhere seen as too soft on Palestinians, \hard crackdowns and deportations \for pro-Palestinian students. Any more-generalized deportation regime is on the backburner. A taboo shall be in force related to these things — defacto political censorship. Woe be unto him that violates the taboo(s). (It’s no wonder C. J. Hopkins is on trial for illegal political agitation in Germany.)

  132. @Hail

    Turns out you’re not a minion, like Derbyshire’s MEH 0910.

    That’s a pretty solid analysis, and instructive about the herd mentality exploited by Establishment politics, warmongering, orchestrated fear, and other contemporary life in general. Again, see the newest C. J. Hopkins essay I linked upthread.

    Don’t forget, though, those of us who smelled Trump’s bullshit out of the chute; in fact, the issue one commenting guest (another, better commenter went by that, too) flagged was his inconsistency and likely insincerity about immigration. Then, there were those like Realist (since banned by Ron Unz) who did so by about this time in 2017.

    Those who keep supporting Trump at this point share responsibility for all the little good and plenty bad he’s helped bring about.

  133. MEH 0910 says:
    @Hail

    Steve Sailer suggests Othello was better off played by White men

    National Lampoon:

    https://www.marksverylarge.com/2011/09/25/345/

    345. Richard Burton / Richard Harris Comic

    Q: Looking for an issue from about 1981-82 spoofing a drunken Richard Harris and Richard Burton trying to pick up girls at a bar—“a case of Aqua Velva and 4 Glasses!” My buddy and I have been laughing over that piece for years, but haven’t been able to track it down. Any ideas?

    A: It was “Double Date Comics: Trouble in Dublin” from the October 1981 (Movies) issue.

    https://archive.org/details/LampoonArchive1981/1981_10/page/n58/mode/1up?view=theater

    The comic ends with Richard Harris and Richard Burton in Central Park demonstrating how they portray Othello.

    • Replies: @Hail
  134. Hail says: • Website
    @MEH 0910

    Re-hosted:

    (National Lampoon, October 1981, folks! Steve Sailer was a lean 22 years of age. Grenada had not yet been invaded. The number of Muslims and miscellaneous Migrants in Sweden was still near zero. An innocent time.)

    Richard Burton [1925-1984] and Richard Harris [1930-2002] are shown, in comic-strip form, making comments racially disparaging of Blacks, in a way probably not possible in really any major commercial venue for much longer, even for an extremist-satirical outlet like National Lampoon. By the 1990s, one would expect this kind of content only to make is through into the light of day from the California cartoonist who signed his racially insensitive work “A. Wyatt Mann.”

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  135. @Greta Handel

    You are quite the critic, Mr. Handle. Since I don’t get paid to write, I usually tell critical critics to go fuck themselves. with no loss of income involved. So, go fuck yourself.

  136. Mark G. says:
    @Almost Missouri

    When interest in science started to increase in the late middle ages, the Greek and Roman classics had already been reintroduced in Europe. Aquinas, for example, had access to the works of Aristotle. The disdain for science was not universal in the medieval era and those intetested in it deserve credit for that. Scientific activity, though, did not explode until much later.

    After Galileo, scientific activity decreased in Catholic Italy and Spain as the Inquisition ramped up. After that, it was Northern Europe where it mostly continued.

    Average life expectancy stayed the same all through history until the 18th century. According to Angus Deaton, it first started to rise in Britain at the end of that century. It was in that century you started to see major medical advances like the smallpox vaccine or the discovery of a more effective form of quinine to treat malaria.

  137. @Hail

    I have somewhat of a different opinion of Trump-47, Mr. Hail, due to that I really don’t listen to him much. Other than my OCD-fueled watching of the Joe Rogan interview (mostly a waste of time), as you know, I did watch that whole Zelensky/Trump press conference. On the latter, I was pleasantly surprised.

    What he’s done on domestic policy, immigration foremost, but also trade policy, is miles ahead of Trump-45. There was the under-the-radar anti-invasion stuff from Trump-45, as 4 of us discussed toward the end of SS Open Thread 1, that was actually damned good but was bound to get overturned completely Jan 21st, ’21. (It did!) It think it’s good that it’s all out in the open this time.

    No, I don’t like the numbers, and Trump doesn’t like the numbers. Is he just trying to build up the BP CPB, ICE whatever, high-level staff with patriots first before they get to cranking it up for ALL here illegally? I don’t know. I’ve been surprised by a few smart moves out of Trump before.

    No, I don’t like the WWF (check out the Irish Colin guy – MMA too – nothing against him, but quite Idiocracy-leaning too) crap, the rap at the convention, etc. I don’t watch much – I’m just going by my reading of what’s been occurring.

    Look, he tried playing by the strict rules last time. It didn’t work. He and his advisors have much different tactics now, which is often making threats via the withholding funds. That’s a good one: Live by the Fed-Gov teat, die by the Fed-Gov teat.

    Perhaps I’d be more disgusted with him if I watched him speaking more.

    • Replies: @epebble
  138. Hail says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Trump pushed the vax because he is a braggart and thinks he alone can save Americans from anything.

    He went along with some of the PanicFest early on because he, as usual, trusted the wrong “EXPERTS” and didn’t trust his usually-very-good instincts.

    These two sentences follow one after the other and are an interesting contrast: I think the first line is right but the second line is better explained by the first line’s idea. It’s less that the Big Orange Man (or Orange Big-Man) was hoodwinked by malicious experts.

    In other words, DJT went along with the Panic — and promoted it, to an extent; hyped it up, as he does — in great part because he envisioned being able to take credit for “saving America from a killer virus.” He saved America; sucked in by the same hubris as many Experts. Those shouting blood-curdling, shrill demands for Lockdowns empowered demagogic and narcissistic-grandiose Save-the-World element, heavy near the top.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @J.Ross
  139. @Hail

    I can’t argue with Ann Coulter on that. It’d be different if Trump’s HHS were already in the middle of deporting* the MILLIONS of foreign students here. Then, you can go after the low-hanging fruit.

    As for Israel’s influence, I don’t think there will be any lull in that. The best we can hope for is that Trump keeps it more political rather than military and uses that influence to force the Congress to push through his OUR agenda. We know what is job 1.

    If you recall from the Peak Stupidity comments, Alarmist relayed a brilliant strategy, were it really in place. The idea would be to threaten Israel with the US military bugging out of the Middle East if AIPAC does not make sure that the Congressmen/Senators they control (90% of them?) vote for Trump’s domestic agenda.

    Yeah, Lindsey Graham?! Sickening.

    .

    * Really just suspending or not renewing their visas is necessary, though some Exit Controls/Tracking would need to be involved – see Dispatches from the Middle Kingdom: Exit Tracking. Foreign students, post-docs, etc. do everything they can to stay… because China is just so damn great… or something.

    I took the picture. The guy got really pissed, partially because we forgot to fill out the stupid healthcare app – WTH, man, we’re leaving. Why do you care? And, take the stupid face diapers off, you freaks!

  140. J.Ross says:

    ROSSIYA — LIVED.
    ROSSIYA — LIVES.
    ROSSIYA — WILL LIVE.
    NAFO will commit suicide, Bellingcat will be flight tested, and sanctions will fail.

  141. BenKenobi says:
    @Mike Tre

    The globalists have figured out that brainwashing works better than bullets

    I can’t be bothered to dig out my copy of Brave New World — wherever it is — but I’m reminded of a passage. Permit me to paraphrase:
    “Government’s about sitting, not hitting. You win with the brains and buttocks. Not with bullets.”

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @mel belli
  142. @Hail

    Perhaps he WANTED to believe these malicious experts, as you said, to SAVE THE PEOPLE!

  143. J.Ross says:
    @Hail

    I was just loving Doug Collins (whom see) and thinking that, Trump’s first term cabinet was a disaster but Trump’s second term cabinet is an equal and opposite reaction, and that proves the most important thing, which is that he has learned from his mistakes. Even the minor people in the cabinet are f*cking *sskickers. Listen to that Doug Collins clip.
    [All of a sudden, remembers that he is not away from keyboard]
    https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2025/03/27/va-secretary-doug-collins-ends-kaitlin-collins-trying-to-play-gotcha-with-signal-chat-n2410525
    Duh duh duh duhduhduh dey do dey do duh duh duh duhduhduh dey do DA!
    KILLER TOFU!
    [As an aside, God, YouTube is so dead, you can’t find anything on YouTube, it used to have the enhanced Google search features. I would search for an obscure PBS clip using the rough date and find it. Google is so dead as well.]

    • Replies: @emil nikola richard
  144. @Hail

    ‘Presumably, Trump doesn’t really want to go to war with Denmark, he just wants to extort a lower price.’

    I suspect Trump doesn’t even want Greenland at all — nor does anybody else.

    It’s a symbol, a device for denying our own decrepitude. We’re big and strong, we can take stuff.

    If Greenland wasn’t there, we’d have to invent it. Or pick a fight with Canada…which we are also doing, by the way, and for similar reasons.

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @John Johnson
  145. @Hail

    ‘…Bombing Israel’s enemies, undermining neutral states in Europe and elsewhere seen as too soft on Palestinians, \hard crackdowns and deportations \for pro-Palestinian students…’

    The whole thing bears a marked resemblance to 2001-2003. Just as our anger and desire to somehow strike back after 9/11 was co-opted and used by Israel to destroy Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, so now we have Israel using anti-immigrant sentiment to deport and intimidate her critics, and our general impulse to reassert American power to bomb her enemies in particular (i.e., the Houthis).

    …and I blame Israel’s fellow travelers as much as I blame Israel. The Leftist Jews in the media howl about everything under the sun — except how we’re being used by Israel.

    • Replies: @epebble
  146. @dearieme

    Mind you, I still suspect the Dems will have him shot. Perhaps Musk too.

    The politicization of Elon Musk may be the best thing to come out of this. He’s in it now — up to his neck. He’s got to win or die. No turning back.

    …and he’s the richest man in the world. It’s like being able to draft our own George Soros.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  147. J.Ross says:
    @dearieme

    Consider their marksmanship.
    Also, consider the track record.
    A failed attempt on Elon’s life would pound the final nail in their coffin, nobody has time for this complete and utter nonsense. If you oppose DOGE that means that you share none of my hardships, that, actually, you cause my hardships, and I want you to be thrown into a wood chipper, you don’t work for a living, and you’re fighting DOGE because your income is fraud.

  148. Mike Tre says:
    @Hail

    To hell with this palestinian “student”. Letting hordes of useless brown people remain in the US as a poke in the eye to jewish power is still suicide.

    He is not of the West and should have never been allowed into the US in the first place.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  149. Jack D says:
    @Mark G.

    Islam is not really compatible with an advanced technological society. What technology it has is mostly imported from non-Islamic societies.

    Keep in mind that while the Houthis on their own couldn’t produce anything more sophisticated than a dagger, they are being supplied by the Iranians. Iranians are not stupid people. Yemenites are right there on the shore of Africa and they all have more than a touch of the old tarbrush, but Iranians are literally Aryans. While Iran is not the originator of a lot of modern technology, neither were say the Chinese. You don’t have to have invented a technology to reproduce it.

    The Iranians make a fairly formidable array of rockets and drones and other weapons that they have supplied to the Houthis. Maybe a Shahed drone is a joke with a little motorcycle engine compared to say a B-2 bomber but it still can cause a lot of damage.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  150. @Greta Handel

    Listen, you want to know why I got pissed? It has to do with what’s wrong with YOU.

    Let’s use your tree fort analogy, Greta. The people here are mostly friends who come up here to converse fairly civilly, and we know each other in the internet sense. Additionally, many have been coming up here a long time. Most of us have generally agreed with the head of this club whose parents own the property upon which sits this fort – yeah in the Valley.

    We’ve gone through the iSteve Covid nonsense. We see some other flaws too with the club President but, hey, his single-Dad Ron Unz built the fort, and if we didn’t like it here we would leave. Each time you climb up the latter, just about, you come to comment on the flaws of the fort* and the flaws of the club members there. That’s not part of any discussion though.

    MEH does a great service leaving different types of links to material, be it John Derbyshire’s or Mr. Sailer’s. I try to avoid twitter, but I assume people find those tweets he’d put up useful. He has just provided helpful links for me in that last thread, in fact. Joe Stalin puts running commentary on gun rights, not quite pertinent most times, but as another feature some of us like. Mr. Hail, as I have, has been putting in information from the discussion in Steve Sailer’s new fort. (His Dad got laid off and moved to a place called substack in East LA.) That’s probably pretty good material for discussion here some of the time at least.

    Why don’t you write to people about the various subjects at hand and not worry about whether we’ve redeemed ourselves in your mind or some such crap.

    .

    * The whimming is one – are you over that yet?

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @Greta Handel
  151. epebble says:
    @Colin Wright

    If Greenland wasn’t there, we’d have to invent it.

    If Greenland doesn’t work, I think he will suddenly realize Antarctica is strategically very important. With minerals and all. Don’t forget all the freshwater from calving icebergs.

  152. @Hail

    [Wokeness] has caused no end of trouble for the British film and television industry, since they have an incredibly rich literary legacy, almost all of it written by and portraying whites, for the simple reason that very few nonwhites lived in Britain until quite recently.

    The whole “must have blacks” and “can’t let whites have their own stuff” nonsense would be a great basis for implementing the necessary separation all white countries now seem to need to survive. “If you believe in this diversity casting nonsense–go stand over there”. If you don’t stand over here. Ok, great. No everyone standing over there proceed to board the ship. Everyone else, you can go back home.”

    However, this question would give pretty much the same results as the actual crux of the issue, the “must have immigration!” nonsense. Simply separating out and packing off the “immigration!” loons would take care of the problem.

  153. @Hail

    Rounding up brown people based on what some cop thinks of their tattoos […] and renditioning them off to a Salvadoran gulag without due process is not that.

    Hmm. I support the immediate deportation of anyone with tattoos–citizen or not.

    And the immediate execution of anyone drilling this ugly ink into otherwise attractive young women.

    The problem is now even the effing cops are all tatted up like Salvadoran gang members.

    What the hell happened to America?

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @Jack D
  154. @Jack D

    According to Marco Rubio in the press conference yesterday after his recent meeting with the prime minister of Jamaica, the Houthies in Yemen are basically just a gang of pirates similar to the Tren de Aragua and many other gangs or drug cartels, only with an islamist flavor, and according to Rubio they should be dealt with in like manner.

    So there you have it from the horse’s mouth.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  155. @epebble

    Hello, ePebble, it’s funny that you mentioned this just now. I am just getting around to writing up the stuff about the Antarctic Ice cap and it’s having melted by possibly 0.01% in mass, as we discussed this past Summer. What you just wrote about Trump is going to be the intro.

  156. J.Ross says:

    23&Me is bankrupt. Everyone stupid enough to give away their DNA is now at risk of literally anyone with the money buying all that data.
    https://www.404media.co/dna-of-15-million-people-for-sale-in-23andme-bankruptcy/

    • Replies: @epebble
  157. epebble says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    He and his advisors have much different tactics now, which is often making threats via the withholding funds.

    I think I am seeing a pattern in DOGE tactics. Impounding Congressionally appropriated funds is legally dubious. Presidents have been demanding line-item veto for a long time without success. DOGE has figured if you render the agency dumb, deaf and mute, the purpose is served, even if crudely. By getting rid of a large number of employees at an agency, the agency will wither away on the branch. VA is firing 83,000 employees. That may cause many people with complex cases to just get frustrated and give up. Today, 10,000 HHS workers are being let go. That will render Medicare and Social Security less responsive causing some potential beneficiaries to give up in frustration. Generally, these were considered Sacred cows hitherto. DOGE twisting the dagger is a bold move.

    On the other side of the ledger, getting rid of 6,000 IRS employees will lower the chance that a return may get audited. Especially, the complex ones with tax shelters and other tax avoidance schemes that require human intervention. That will be a sort of implied ‘tax cut’ (with a wink and a nod).

    https://mwcllc.com/2025/01/28/impounding-congressionally-appropriated-funds/

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @EdwardM
  158. epebble says:
    @J.Ross

    I have seen this ‘risk’ being mentioned, never understood what it is. If I publish my entire DNA, all 3 billion base pairs, what can someone do to me? Most likely, 23 and me keeps a small subset since it is too expensive to keep 3 billion base pair data for every $49.95 customer. If someone wants to collect a lot of human DNA samples, they can go to a trash dump and collect a lot of used tissues.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  159. @epebble

    I’m glad too about the IRS, and ambivalent about the VA, HHS, etc. – depends on whether you get rid of bureaucrats or nurses.

    However, this wasn’t my meaning. I was thinking more of, for one example, universities with D.I.E. programs. Before they were almost all supported in various and sundry ways by Federal-tax-paers, what they did in this respect was NONE of any part of the Fed-Gov’s business. Now, one can say it is, because they are hooked on that sweet, sweet Fed cash. Who can pull the money? Well, you explained some of that.

    I no longer am bent out of shape about the President taking power like this. “Oh, but then next time it’ll be the left doing it.” I know, but they’ve BEEN doing this.

    Note, ePebble, that the deal with these judges blocking Presidential acts, including even simple defense of the country (deporting foreign criminals). With the shoes on the other feet, Republican judges would never do that. That’s simply because they know it’s not their jobs, so they wouldn’t even think of doing it.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
  160. J.Ross says:
    @epebble

    So you haven’t killed anybody?

    • Replies: @epebble
  161. vinteuil says:
    @AnotherDad

    I support the immediate deportation of anyone with tattoos–citizen or not.

    And the immediate execution of anyone drilling this ugly ink into otherwise attractive young women

    100% agreed.

    Trouble is – there’s all these young’uns like Pete Hegseth who apparently grew up in a culture that normalized this sort of crap.

    What can you do?

    • Replies: @epebble
  162. MEH 0910 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I try to avoid twitter, but I assume people find those tweets he’d put up useful.

    I used to put up too many tweets in my comments, until I learned from the general comments that tweets overly slowed the loading of the page, so I cut back.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  163. @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes. If you read Mr. Unz’s American Pravda articles, you’ll find he considers her very likely to be not controlled opposition but promoted opposition.

  164. @Mike Tre

    But you said “the English” invaded Ireland. Not true.

    Furthermore the Normans were invited to invade by an Irish chief. Just so was British England lost to the Angles, Saxons and Jutes when Vortigern invited them in as mercenaries.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_invasion_of_Ireland#Landings_of_1169

    Diarmait refusing to accept his fate sailed from Ireland on the 1 August for Bristol with his daughter Aoife and sought help from Henry II in regaining his kingship. Henry gave Diarmait permission to recruit forces and authorised his subjects to help Diarmait, in return for Diarmait swearing loyalty to Henry. Among other benefits, a loyal Diarmait restored to power would allow the fleet of Dublin to be used in Anglo-Norman campaigns against the Welsh and Scots.

    Several Marcher Lords agreed to help: Richard FitzGilbert de Clare (also known as Strongbow), Robert FitzStephen, Maurice FitzGerald, and Maurice de Prendergast. Diarmait promised Strongbow his daughter Aoífe in marriage and the kingship of Leinster upon Diarmait’s death. He promised Robert and Maurice the town of Wexford and two neighbouring cantreds. Under Irish law, Diarmait had no right to do this.

    “By 1170, Strongbow appears to have been funded financially for his invasion by a Jewish merchant by the name of Josce of Gloucester”

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  165. @Achmed E. Newman

    You obviously haven’t seen high-res close-ups of Pam Bondi’s face. Pam Anderson at 30000 feet; Emperor Palpatine at 3 feet.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  166. @epebble

    “I have seen this ‘risk’ being mentioned, never understood what it is.”

    That’s fine if you can be sure that none of your children, or nephews or nieces, will ever do anything illegal or otherwise upsetting to the Powers That Be.

  167. @Jonathan Mason

    As a child I watched on the evening news as Hawker Hunter jets strafed and bombed Yemenis.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aden_Emergency#Hostilities_commence

    The more things change, the more they remain the same.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
  168. @epebble

    With your DNA, it won’t matter….

    I’m thinking the threat is a possibility in the future, not something now. For example, maybe there will be a future biometric security technology that can be broken if you have someone’s DNA.

    Or maybe in the future, someone will create designer diseases that can target individuals or very small numbers of people. Actually building viruses is not that economically resource intensive, so maybe with all of (future doxxed) Unz commenters’ DNA, I could make up a batch of viruses that would target them…?

    or maybe in some future legal system, I’ll be able to clone you and claim all your property belongs to the clone.

    • Replies: @epebble
  169. HA says:
    @J.Ross

    “Fatal blood clots might be generated in bodies of mRNA ‘vaccinated’ in period of 15 years…”

    OK, I’ll bite. Let’s go to the TOTALLY REPUTABLE AND NOT IN THE LEAST FISHY journal International Journal of Innovative Science and Research Technology (such a snazzy name, no?) and see what’s going on here. From the abstract:

    We present a healthy, 47-year-old Caucasian male that died unexpectedly from acute pulmonary hemorrhage 555 days after completing the BNT162b2 (Pfizer) COVID-19 vaccination primary series.

    Wow, so what we have here is a sample size of ONE, count ’em one, individual whose death occurred a YEAR-AND-A-HALF after a COVID vaccine. So impressive! Wow, that COVID vaccine is mighty sneaky to wait around a year and half before doing you dirty — and clearly, it’s the likely culprit here. Or, as the “researchers” put it, “The evidence suggests that this man died of a cardiopulmonary arrest most likely as a result of acute pulmonary hemorrhage, with the COVID-19 vaccine POTENTIALLY PLAYING A ROLE” (in the same way that some hat-wearing flying monkeys carrying off Dorothy and Toto might POTENTIALLY HAVE PLAYED A ROLE by swooping down and striking the man dead, so that they are presumably implicated as well). No wonder the International Journal of Innovative Science and Research Technology is known for conducting its thorough peer review and accepting papers within two days. I guess the quality of their researchers is so stellar that little review is required.

    Clearly the COVID epidemic has done wonders for the investigative powers of the alt-right. Marvel at the wealth of topics covered by this journal of “innovative research”. I see from the list that we’re talking not only cutting edge COVID research of sample size one, but also topics as diverse as mutual fund growth in India, Social Security Measures, Mergers and Acquisitions in India, electric cars in KDMC (which is in, suprise, surprise — India), a study on Tata technology, another study India’s gig economy. Yeah, nothing fishy about that at all — just the kind of journal where I’d go to in order to get state-of-the-art COVID research.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  170. @Mike Tre

    mRNA technology is used for genetic modification. The COVID 19 panicked pandemic was triggered to induce large segments of humanity into injecting the gene modification tech into their bodies. It was a global experiment. From the data collected genetic engineers will be able to refine their craft and create the next generation of human. We legacy humans are on the way out.

    I like Steve though I disagree with most of his positions. He is very Establishment-oriented. He doesn’t seem to be able to see the corruption that has infiltrated the discipline and turned science into the corporate, atheistic religion of Scientism.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  171. epebble says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Or maybe in the future, someone will create designer diseases that can target individuals or very small numbers of people.

    A 25-cent slug has been employed for a few centuries with great effectiveness. U.S. government gave up on bioweapons in 1969.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  172. Mike Tre says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “But you said “the English” invaded Ireland. Not true. ”

    Cromwell did invade Ireland. You’re cherry picking and splitting hairs over the Normans, but that invasion was the beginning over English/British meddling in Ireland until when… the 1990’s? It’s not like you to split hairs like this. It’s too bad your ethnic loyalty only extends to excusing British hostility toward the Irish, instead of defending BG from the current scourge of invading savages.

    I mean, Gaelic was effectively stamped out by English/British influence. That’s pretty difficult to justify but I’m sure you’ll give it a try.

    Or would you prefer to deflect to how American’s supposedly started genociding Amerindians, but not until AFTER 1776 so you English can’t be blamed.

    • Replies: @dearieme
  173. Brutusale says:
    @J.Ross

    I kinda like the Ghibli Jimmy Page.

  174. @epebble

    ‘…Don’t forget all the freshwater from calving icebergs.’

    Plus, ‘calving icebergs’ sounds vaguely anti-abortion, without actually committing us to anything.

    I know enough about Trump’s advisors to suspect they’d be all for that.

  175. J.Ross says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    For some incomprehensible reason this is what the flailing NAFO shills at 4chan have settled on as a party line: Republicans are unattractive.

  176. J.Ross says:
    @Brutusale

    Nice. There’s a kind of squaring the circle thing in that Queen guitarist Brian May was very popular in Japan during the period this emulates, and was the direct inspiration for several character designs.

  177. J.Ross says:
    @epebble

    You plead the fifth, your cousin who lives in another city betrays you, like with that one serial killer.

    • LOL: epebble
  178. @Achmed E. Newman

    “I’m glad too about the IRS, …”

    Cutting the IRS isn’t going to help the deficit.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  179. FEDERAL JUDGE RULES STUN GUNS ARE NOT PROTECTED BY 2A…

    William Kirk discusses the President’s most recent order and what this means for the security and integrity of elections moving forward.

    https://twitter.com/NatlGunRights/status/1905421319916978583
    https://twitter.com/MorosKostas/status/1905323678315020602
    https://twitter.com/MorosKostas/status/1905386920966049967
    https://twitter.com/FenixAmmunition/status/1905279393460846917

  180. @Brutusale

    I kinda like the original Maserati Ghibli.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  181. @Colin Wright

    I suspect Trump doesn’t even want Greenland at all — nor does anybody else.

    It’s a symbol, a device for denying our own decrepitude. We’re big and strong, we can take stuff.

    Which means Trump is just wasting everyone’s time and not fulfilling his promise to lower inflation or produce a better border bill. Wow and to think I was skeptical of re-electing a former Democrat who is on tape admitting to a felony. So glad that serving Israel and bullshitting about Greenland are top priorities.

    Trump is in fact adding to our problems.

    His idiotic tariffs could throw this country into a recession. There are already vacation destinations that are suffering from Canadian cancellations.

    Republicans are historically skeptical of tariffs and for good reason. They can quickly escalate whereby any projected revenue and market protection are offset when the other side retaliates. That is exactly what is happening unless someone is able to put a chain on this former WWE star and Hillary supporter.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  182. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    As for your last point, I did read part of an article of yours in which you discussed this one of many “conspiracy theories”, the saga of Big Mike along with Mr./Mrs Macron. I will have to say that you take some things perhaps a bit too seriously. People like me use the term Big Mike for a quite different reason than you got into.

    Sure. My guess is that the “Big Mike” thing just started off as a joke by people such as yourself. But unfortunately, lots of the conspiracy-activists tend to be very stupid and gullible, and apparently huge numbers of them believe it’s actually true and that Michelle Obama is a man. Some of them have bitterly argued with me about it.

    It’s also very possible that some of the Obama people decided it was an excellent means of diverting anti-Obama activists into ridiculous directions and therefore deliberately encouraged it. Exactly the same thing may have happened in France with the Mr. Brigitte Macron nonsense:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-controversy-over-mr-brigitte-macron-and-mr-michelle-obama/

    • Thanks: Hail
  183. Mark G. says:
    @HA

    HA, here’s an article I discovered on how the natural rights philosophy of Ron Paul is the wave of the future. This physicist Dave guy who wrote it is really smart:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2007/12/dave-miller/ron-paul-murray-rothbard-and-thekids/

    • Replies: @HA
    , @dearieme
  184. @epebble

    Occams Razor cuts this as deliberately leaked for the purpose of promoting the status of JD Vance or whatever his current World Wrestling Association stage name is.

  185. @Corpse Tooth

    mRNA technology is used for genetic modification.

    Gene therapy costs 2-3.5 million per treatment
    https://www.marketbeat.com/originals/gene-therapy-why-does-it-cost-millions-for-a-single-treatment/

    So drug companies have brought the cost down to $50 as part of a conspiracy? Why don’t they sell the technology?

  186. Hail says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    None of the links work for me.

  187. Hail says: • Website

    Steve Sailer says fraud recently discovered (alleged) at the National Diversity Council has likely been common to the Wokeness juggernaut. He suggests that Diversity industry fraud, or the inherent connection, may soon fade into “common knowledge” territory:

    How big is the DEI bezzle?

    With corporations and government throwing less cash at Woke NGOs, amusing frauds are now being revealed.

    by Steve Sailer
    March 28, 2025

    …[T]he looting of the nonprofit National Diversity Council, a Woke charity that put on conferences charging corporations $4,999 to have their DEI staffers hobnob with celebrities like Bill and Hill, by its three top executives.

    National Diversity Council Files For Bankruptcy, Says Top Employees Stole Millions

    Board said founder’s conduct ‘gives rise to criminal liability… at a minimum, a third degree felony.’

    By Luke Rosiak

    Mar 27, 2025 | DailyWire [dot] com

    The three executives basically paid themselves a million dollars extra from the NGO, which they marked as “back pay.”

    When the charity’s Board of Directors asked for the organization’s money back, the boss R. Dennis Kennedy cloned the National Diversity Council as his private possession, starting a for-profit business with a nearly identical name, reregistering the charity’s trademarks as his own, and setting up counterfeit websites owned by him.

    Bill Clinton and Oprah Winfrey are set to keynote a conference run by the alleged thief, apparently through his for-profit firm, next month.

    The National Diversity Council filed for bankruptcy on March 17 after its board said in a lawsuit that its founder R. Dennis Kennedy “improperly paid himself millions of dollars from NDC’s donor funds.” The suit said Kennedy “paid himself a grossly excessive salary” while using the nonprofit as a front for his for-profit diversity consulting business called Diversity & Leadership Inc (D&L). …

    As board members became suspicious and determined that there was no basis for the payments, Kennedy systematically moved the nonprofit’s trademarks and web domains into his own name, and essentially created a fake organization with the same name that would trick people into paying him directly, the suit indicated.


    NationalDiversityCouncil.org now leads to a website of an organization that purports to be the National Diversity Council, listing Kennedy as its founder and no board. Dawn Hooper, an accountant who is managing the bankruptcy for NDC’s board, told The Daily Wire that the site is “not operated by the National Diversity Council.” …

    The imposter NDC website advertises a conference in Los Angeles next month from April 7-10, which it says will feature Bill Clinton and Oprah Winfrey. … Conference-goers can meet them for $4,999. …

    For years, people were led to believe that the elaborate conference was part of NDC’s charity work, not Kennedy’s for-profit business.

    There are probably a hundred hilarious stories like this involving the DEI racket, especially now that the gravy train of the racial reckoning is slowing down.

    Economist John Kenneth Galbraith is famous for saying, “Recessions catch what the auditors missed. It’s not clear if he personally ever put it that pithily, but here’s a longer quote from his The Great Crash [1955]:

    […] In good times people are relaxed, trusting, and money is plentiful. But even though money is plentiful, there are always many people who need more. Under these circumstances the rate of embezzlement grows, the rate of discovery falls off, and the bezzle increases rapidly. In depression all this is reversed. Money is watched with a narrow, suspicious eye. The man who handles it is assumed to be dishonest until he proves himself otherwise. Audits are penetrating and meticulous. Commercial morality is enormously improved. The bezzle shrinks.

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/how-big-is-the-dei-bezzle

    • Replies: @epebble
  188. HA says:
    @Mark G.

    “the natural rights philosophy of Ron Paul is the wave of the future.”

    A paper written almost two decades ago in which Ron Paul was proclaimed to be the wave of the future? And you think the person who wrote that was really smart? Hmm.

    To me, this guy seems about as sad as this crackpot I vaguely remember arguing with in these threads back in the day — his name is on the tip of my tongue, but alas, his drivel was so forgettable that it escapes me. Oh, well. Then again, as I recall, that guy liked to pretend he was an anarchist or something (you know, in the usual way that insecure nerds pretend to espouse some out-there ideology because they think it will make them seem edgy and cool, even though it only makes them seem that much more pathetic). So even that guy (were he honest enough) would probably have to admit this joker you dug up from two decades ago was on crack or something when it comes to Ron Paul, though from I vaguely recall of him, he’d probably instead try some slippery weasel war-is-peace-freedom-is-slavery gaslighting routine to try and convince us that he was akshully 100% correct. Like I said, utterly forgettable.

    Again, I’m not surprised you’d fall for that, given that gullible thank-you you slapped onto that masterwork of COVID research J Ross cited. That just adds to its “credibility”, and that percussive sound you hear in the distance is me giving that comment the ol’ cinema slow clap.

    It’s really weird how people like Steve Sailer and Greg Cochran were so unimpressed by the COVID truthers, given the totally convincing sample-size-of-one data they keep bringing to the table.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  189. epebble says:
    @Hail

    Talking of DEI, I just saw the launch announcement from Blue Origin. The biography of the ‘astronauts’ is quite comical.

    Blue Origin released the NS-31 mission patch. A few of the key symbols embedded include:

    The target star symbolizes Aisha Bowe’s ambition for setting big goals, passion for STEM, and commitment to inspiring future generations.

    The scales of justice symbolize Amanda Nguyễn’s efforts to advocate for civil rights, break barriers, and empower everyday people to create change.

    The shooting star microphone represents Gayle King’s commitment to sharing important stories with the world.

    The firework symbolizes Katy Perry’s global influence across music, pop culture, and philanthropy.

    The film reel symbolizes Kerianne Flynn’s passion for filmmaking, storytelling, and crafting beautiful narratives.

    Flynn the Fly, the main character in Lauren Sánchez’s bestselling children’s book, The Fly Who Flew to Space, is along for the ride. The story is about overcoming adversity, inspiring kids with learning differences to pursue their dreams.

    New Shepard’s Crewed NS-31 Mission Targets Liftoff on April 14
    https://www.blueorigin.com/news/new-shepard-ns-31-mission

  190. @epebble

    Talking of DEI, I just saw the launch announcement from Blue Origin. The biography of the ‘astronauts’ is quite comical.

    It’s a mystery how it is that they haven’t left SpaceX in the dust long ago what with all their diversity/strength.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Brutusale
  191. epebble says:
    @kaganovitch

    My guess is, Blue Origin is Jeff Bezo’s trophy hobby. Since Amazon seems to be running on autopilot churning out billions in profit, he needs something to keep his curiosity engaged. Blue Origin is his Porsche or Ferrari. All the NS flights are suborbital; hence they are all good for space tourism and not much else. It may even be a good marketing ploy to send up a bunch of ‘diverse’ women of various ages, physical fitness and mental acuity. If they can go to ‘space’, anyone with $200,000 can go too. It is just an ‘airplane’ that goes ‘up’.

  192. epebble says:
    @vinteuil

    Not just any tattoo:

    Pete Hegseth unwittingly reveals controversial new tattoo
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14544271/pete-hegseth-tattoo-kafir-arabic-muslim.html

    He has tattooed to advertise himself as an enemy of Islam/Muslims.

  193. Hail says: • Website
    @epebble

    The superhero-movie-like launching into space, by billionaire Bezos’ Blue Origin, of the following six girlboss-astronauts (mid-April 2025), should be of great interest to the pen of the (non-feminist) Steve Sailer:

    Aisha Bowe (Black, b.1986, Bahamas origin; U.S. National Society of Black Engineers award winner);

    Amanda Nguyen (b.1991, Vietnamese origin but raised in city of Corona, Southern California; “social entrepreneur and civil rights activist,” Amanda Nguyen founded a sexual-assault-survivors group for women, days after the University of Virginia rape hoax of 2014, which Steve Sailer soon helped expose as a hoax);

    Gayle King (b.1954, Black U.S. origin with a military father; close friend of Oprah Winfrey; floated through a tv-media career, 1980s to present, host of the CBS News morning show, 2012 to present);

    Katy Perry (b.1984, typical U.S.-White-Protestant origin, albeit with slightly-oddball-conservative parents reacting against 1960s-70s excesses; born and raised in Santa Barbara, California but bailed out of normal life before completing 9th grade, ca. mid-2000, to begin a mad-dash music career, with an aggressive determination. This kind of gambit still had a fair chance of paying off in the 2000s, even if still definitely not a scaleable model. By the close of the 2000s, she was positioned very well; and became among the very-biggest names in music in the 2010s. Improbably, she still remains there in the mid-2020s at age 40. Some of the usual oddball behavior pops up, not necessarily unlike near-contemporary Tulsi Gabbard (a Hindu): Wiki: “[Katy Perry] married Russell Brand on October 23, 2010, in a traditional Hindu ceremony near the Ranthambhore tiger sanctuary in Rajasthan” but divorced 14 months later, after which they never spoke again. Perry “began a relationship with actor Orlando Bloom in early 2016, and the couple got engaged on February 14, 2019” and had a daughter — Daisy Dove Bloom, born Aug. 2020 — but they remain unmarried, technically, in 2025);

    Kerianne Flynn (b.1967? apparently White-American; has had “a successful career in fashion and human resources”); and

    Lauren Sanchez (b.1969, Hispanic-mestiza native of New Mexico but a characteristically California type of personality; tv-news producer; girlfriend of Blue Origin founder; her extramarital affair with Jeff Bezos, said to have been in 2018, led to the Bezos divorce of Jan. 2019 from longtime wife Mackenzie Scott; Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez are said to be having their own wedding ceremony in Venice in summer 2025, if Lauren Sanchez survives re-entry back to Earth).

  194. Mr. Anon says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Here I don’t agree Mr. Anon, and that’s not because I think you called ME out with the dash on the end.

    I didn’t call you out at all.

    But my opinion stands: waving a flag with the great leader’s name on it is unbecoming of a free people.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  195. Mr. Anon says:
    @dearieme

    They don’t have much choice: he’s the lesser weevil.

    Well of course.

    But not having much of a choice means that you………….don’t have much of a choice.

    Perhaps that could be Trump’s slogan in 2028 (after he abolishes the 22nd amendment by executive order):

    Trump! Not much of a choice!

    • Replies: @dearieme
  196. @Achmed E. Newman

    Why don’t you write to people about the various subjects at hand and not worry about whether we’ve redeemed ourselves in your mind or some such crap.

    Sailer’s “subjects at hand” were and from I see here remain by and large a distraction. I tried explaining this to you in a Ron Paul thread less than three weeks ago; maybe it’ll get through this time if I emphasize what seems to me his part in the most thoroughly propagandized society in human history:

    It didn’t take long after his arrival here at TUR to see that Mr. Sailer isn’t so much a dissident as a copium denmother for disaffected white guys who skew 40+ in age. In practically all other respects — and, thus, effectively in that one — he narrates or stands silent on behalf of the Establishment.

    This was obscured by the first few years of padding the HBD posts with sportsball, Hollywood, and pop music culture (anchored in his youth), which resonated with many of the target audience. When he got serious about the COVID dempanic and Ukraine warball commentary and adopted pets like Jack D, though, more than a few of the fellows noticed. Others will apparently remain loyal to the end.

    I was already in TUR’s tree when Sailer climbed up to great fanfare about respect for heterodox views, but apparently only after being granted chicken$hit moderation privileges. In ten years, enough people figured him out that donations dropped, so he’s changed trees. We’re now able — as we always should have been — to discuss that and his work on a level playing field.

    I’ll participate, read what others have to say, and try to bring people around to my way of thinking as long as it seems worthwhile. If you find that too upsetting, just block my comments.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  197. Mr. Anon says:
    @HA

    To me, this guy seems about as sad as this crackpot I vaguely remember arguing with in these threads back in the day………….

    That’s funny. I think we all feel that way about you. Except you’re worse than the garden-variety flat-earther or pyramid-power enthusiast, as you are a bloody-minded war-monger and tyranny-apologist. So, from all of us here, we wish you a heart-felt “F**k Off”.

    It’s really weird how people like Steve Sailer and Greg Cochran were so unimpressed by the COVID truthers, given the totally convincing sample-size-of-one data they keep bringing to the table.

    Your pro-COVID-hysteria posts were laughable in their ignorance and innumeracy, so you are hardly one to talk.

    And so popular was Steve’s take on COVID that he lost most of his donations and had to decamp this site for Substack.

    • Replies: @HA
  198. Mr. Anon says:
    @epebble

    U.S. government gave up on bioweapons in 1969.

    The US gave up overt development of bioweapons in 1969.

    Covert development might be a different matter.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  199. Hail says: • Website

    In other Steve Sailer news today…

    SAILER EMRBACES ROLE AS LOOKALIKE FOR GREEN-REVOLUTION FIGURE BORLAUG

    ____________

    Spandrell, today, quips:

    “I had no idea Steve Sailer is responsible for 1 billion Indians.”

    Steve Sailer responds: “Wow, I do look kinda like Norman Borlaug. Not the worst guy ever to look like. (Not that I have any clue about wheat.)”
    ____________

    A Hindu Twitterite had originally floated the Borlaug-Sailer lookalike shot, with these words: “Most tech bros have no idea who this man was.” Economist Alex Tabarrok said: “The tech bros absolutely know who that is.” This boring exchange was blown out of the water by Spandrell and Sailer’s intervention.

  200. @Mr. Anon

    I didn’t call you out at all.

    Nah, I should have worded that differently. I knew you didn’t mean me as one of the “MAGA-tards, Mr. Anon. English can be tricky – that should have been 2 sentences.

    Anyway, I agree about the flags unless you are talking about during a campaign. MAGA hats? It’s a movement. It’s a movement that could use a whole dugout full of guys who could take it over, because the leader/founder does go off the rails at time, more so as Trump-47 than -45, I admit. OTOH, -47 has come out of the corner swinging, with much better help and better tactics.

    Sometimes, however, just saying the word Trump in a positive manner sets the ctrl-left off, which is my goal at times.

  201. @James B. Shearer

    Cutting the IRS isn’t going to help the deficit.

    It might well help the deficit – my personal deficit, that is.

    Seriously, James, I don’t think DOGE can ever come close to cutting $1 Trillion of recurring expenses, much less the $2 Trillion average deficit. I won’t get into that here.

    It’s what they are exposing that’s so great, even if it’s small amounts that get spent in 2 minutes of normal Fed-Gov operations. Cutting 6,000 IRS employees, when they were instead gonna HIRE 87,000 auditors* to, as usual, screw over the little guy, is very satisfying to me. It’s a drop in the bucket though – just a little dead-weight.

    .

    * These would be the types to audit the little guy – some kid with a mower even – so that people wouldn’t get away without filing 1099s on EVERYTHING. They were gonna turn everyone into a rat with this. They don’t want ANYONE working for pay without them knowing about it.

  202. Hail says: • Website

    Vance and wife to visit Greenland; Sailer disapproves

    J.D. Vance — and his elite-Hindu wife, who uses the name “Usha” — are, at this hour, on board an aircraft en route to Greenland.

    The at-first-proposed stop on the planned “intimidation tour” was a locally famous dogsled race, as was widely reported and mocked by Steve Sailer earlier this week (See: “Why are Trump & Vance Threatening to Invade the Frozen North?“). The dogsled-race visit was cancelled a few days ago, for unspecified reasons.

    There still remained, until recently, a potential meeting by the Vances with a Greenlandic tourist agency. This visit had reached well into the planning stage. It was to be open to the public. We presume U.S. intelligence and security would deploy to vet the Greenlanders to keep out agitators and rough up the troublemakers and protestors; but in so doing would infringe on Danish sovereignty over the island.

    A day before the trip, the tourist agency in question, Tupilak Travel, cancelled their involvement and announced a boycott. The Greenlandic boycott against the visit by the Hindu-elite and her tag-along husband is now very broad and deep, up there.

    With the Vances out in the cold and the itinerary retreated to the U.S Space Force base far in the north. The cancellation, the tourist agency says, is in protest at the aggression of their trip and generally to show their disapproval at the Blumpf annexation plan.

    The full visit to Greenland will be over and done in less than 24 hours, but may well soak up a considerably portion of the Friday news-cycle.

    We have forewarning of the speech Vance will make on Greenlandic soil. Vance’s staffers have signaled that Vance will deliver a diatribe against the Danish government; and issue a veiled-fist demand for submission by the weak and petty Greenlanders. “Accept Trump-hegemony or face the consequences, losers.”

    Vance may think: Hey, this petty island desperately needs H1b invigoration, much like my own family-line has gotten. And we have-to have-to have-to humiliate Europe wherever possible. The Hindu-wife no doubt approves (they being proud joint parents of, in Vance’s words, “brown sons”).

    From CNN:

    [MORE]

    JD Vance expected to criticize Danish government on what had been second lady’s cultural visit to Greenland

    By Alayna Treene, Kevin Liptak and Betsy Klein
    CNN

    Updated: 1:22 AM EDT, Fri March 28, 2025

    […] [T]he shortened trip also carries a more overtly militaristic tenor and keeps the American visitors sequestered away from any planned protests.

    The Vances…will visit the US Space Force outpost at Pituffik, on the northwest coast of Greenland 1,000 miles from the capital of Nuuk, forgoing Usha Vance’s original plans and any semblance of a cultural exchange.

    The vice president is expected to receive a private briefing regarding how the Space Force has helped boost US national security interests and speak to the press.

    “Unfortunately, Danish leaders have spent decades mistreating the Greenlandic people, treating them like second class citizens and allowing infrastructure on the island to fall into disrepair. Expect the Vice President to emphasize these points as well,” the senior White House official said.

    Taylor Van Kirk, Vance’s press secretary [said,] “As the Vice President has said, previous US leaders have neglected Arctic security, while Greenland’s Danish rulers have neglected their security obligations to the island. The security of Greenland is critical in ensuring the security of the rest of the world, and the Vice President looks forward to learning more about the island.”

    Also set to join the delegation are national security adviser Mike Waltz – who has been at the center of this week’s scandal over top Trump Cabinet officials discussing strikes in Yemen in a Signal chain that included a reporter – and Energy Secretary Chris Wright, as well as Republican Sen. Mike Lee, a vocal supporter of Trump’s desire to control Greenland.

  203. @Ron Unz

    Firstly, sorry for not including that link in my previous comment – laziness. I just read the whole thing though 1/2 hour ago. Thanks for acknowledging in there that, yes, many of us just like the jokes. It’s not that they’re particularly hilarious, but it’s ridicule.

    Let’s start with Candace Owens, as you did. Why did she get into that weird stuff? When it comes to Bridgett or Big Mike (sorry!), you have to realize what women are about, even when they seem serious. They like being viewed.* That’s what a female “influencer” is all about – aren’t “influencers” mostly female? (I don’t know – it wasn’t an actual job when I was in the job market.)

    Miss Owens wanted to keep that huge audience she’s amazingly attained, so she branched out into things that attract women as well as men to keep her numbers way up. She’d bring in guys too, but all that talk about relationships (Macron and his much-older wife) are women things generally. Why wan’t she banned for her truth-telling on the political conspiracies? I’d say she had an advantage being a black woman there. Besides the “see, there ARE black women Conservatives”, Conservatives appreciate that “they can’t touch her – as with, say Tommy Robinson (who you didn’t mention in your intro. re: the UK, BTW), cause she’s a black woman”.

    As for your meta-conspiracy theory that there’s a conspiracy to promote conspiracy theories (I like that, though!):

    Does the Globalist ctrl-left appreciate that Miss Owens made herself look like a kook with this? Probably so. Did they set her up to it or specifically promote her more? I don’t think so. After all, by bringing in some people who care about Mrs. Macron’s private life and private parts, Candace will get even more viewers for her more political topics that they don’t want.

    Same with Big Mike, I’d say. Another thing, for both, errr, ladies, is that with the internet there’s a niche (no born-sex assumption pun here intended) for anything. Are there really so many people who think Michelle Robinson is a man?**. That is, as opposed to us who just make fun because we detest the anti-White Globalist ctrl-left.

    Speaking of his better half (wait, what?), Steve Sailer wrote a whole book on Barrack Øb☭ma. He’s careful, so I doubt he went into the gaiety angle too far, but he did discuss Øb☭ma’s being with the pot-smoking crowd. This is not the 1980s with Gary Hart dropping from the D-primary due to photographic proof of an affair (he had the chick on his boat). If Conservatives had brought up Øb☭ma’s pot-smoking, and his being a lazy member of that “Choom Gang”, they’d have just been called prudes, and the story would have gotten know where. Well, we know, it didn’t.

    Finally, I don’t know for sure whether it was a Candace Owens video or one of yours (a bit ambigous now) that was to appear, but ironically the last youtube video in your article says:

    This video has been removed for violating YouTube’s Terms of Service

    I hate having to continually clean these things up too. (Often for me, it’s a music copyright deal.)

    .

    * The most voluptuous biggest example I’ve seen of this was in a 3-minute Lauren Southern video about Turks taking over whole neighborhoods in the German city of Duisburg. I never did like the Paul Watson-style jerky editing to save seconds – gives me no time during usual pauses for things to sink in. As I related in Immigrant non-Assimilation in Germany and 2 more items, I swear I watched due to the immigration nightmare story, but when Lauren’s cleavage started flying around due to the editing, I forgot how to spell Turkey even, for a spell.

    ** Then there’s Truth, commenter here, who thinks any woman is a man. I’m guessing he’d say that – I’m going back a ways! – Farrah Faucet, Cheryl Tiegs, Valerie Bertinelli, and the whole bevy of 1980’s leggy supermodels too, are men. With men like that, I would seriously consider renouncing my heterosexuality!

  204. @Achmed E. Newman

    Missed the window end by 5 seconds. “Nowhere”, not “know where”!

  205. @J.Ross

    Who are #3 and #4 meant to be?

    • Replies: @Gordo
    , @Mr. Anon
  206. This is pretty iStevey.

    “Swahili? Mandarin? The UK is increasingly multilingual – yet our politicians won’t talk about it”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/27/swahili-mandarin-uk-increasingly-multilingual

    Next week in the Guardian – “Great Replacement Theory still inexplicably popular”

  207. Gordo says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Even more so, Serbs and Croats have a sameish language but diffrrent alphabets and generally different religions, Russians and Ukrainians have the same alphabet and generally the same religion.

  208. Gordo says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    #3 is famous photo of Dr Goebbels taken at a conference I think in Switzerland by a Jewish photographer who Goebbels recognised.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  209. @epebble

    Also comical is how Jeff Bezos is still launching celebrities on brief, suborbital flights (as he did for Willam Shatner) in hilariously penis-shaped rockets.
    The World’s Largest Dildo

    While Bezos’s rival billionaire Elon Musk has been sending astronauts into orbit repeatedly on reusable rockets for some time now.

  210. @MEH 0910

    Yes, I did experience more problems reading here with all the tweets. For you and Uncle Joe, though, I still appreciate all the info.

    These 2 threads don’t let one embed tweets from what I’ve seen. Is the whole site like that now?

  211. @Greta Handel

    I’ll participate, read what others have to say, and try to bring people around to my way of thinking as long as it seems worthwhile. If you find that too upsetting, just block my comments.

    It’s not too upsetting. The stupid bit in which you tell me how I’m doing is what I don’t like. You’re not a literary critic, and you don’t know everything.

    I’ve not blocked anyone, even Corvinus, because it’s easy enough to scroll past comments.

    BTW, now I’m getting delays, which I’m sure you’ll figure is only fitting. (Probably just a bug though.)

  212. @Greta Handel

    So, to get back to actual discussion, no, I don’t think Steve Sailer is a liar. The reason he gets things wrong is that he cannot always let go of that Government-knows-best thing (not just Gov but all Institutions) that was a lot more true in his youth.

    I mean he calls out the lying regarding the PRP, the college admission stuff till I’m sick of it, and a whole lot more. Somehow, the CDC and those “experts” were straight up with us in ’20. It’s just something he didn’t know much about and that Gell-Mann thing.

    BTW, this ought to be in reply to Mr. Hail, as he brought up Mr. Sailer’s point about Pfizer’s week or 2 delay on coming out with the vax very specifically to wait until after the election. I told Mr. Sailer that that should have been one hell of a scoop. Were he writing for National Review still, had they let him write that, it should have made him famous. They freaking held up that “moon shot” miracle cure that panicked Americans were so keen on, to deny Trump the glory.

    That said, he’s absolutely wrong that we MAGA types would have LUVED, LUVED, LUVED! the vax, had it come out when Trump was still (or again) President, because “he did it”. Let’s see, is that a lie? No, he’s just deluded and doesn’t get out enough, I guess. We were all against the vax before the ’20 election, before it was available. NFW, said I and also my wife who’d been a Panicker from March through, say August of that year. As with the guy turned into a newt in the Monty Python movie, “she got better.”

  213. @Hail

    “Vance may think: Hey, this petty island desperately needs H1b invigoration”

    In fact Danes have been adding their genes to the Inuit population for a century or more. In his book “A World of Men” the Antarctic explorer Wally Herbert, collecting sledge dogs in Greenland, noted how the Danish ship’s crew were “in great demand as lovers along the coast” and that “you could see the features of the people changing”.

  214. dearieme says:
    @Mike Tre

    Gaelic was effectively stamped out by English/British influence

    There’s rather a contrast between “influence” and “stamp out”. What exactly do you mean?

    I remember once reading an Irishman who blamed, in part, the Roman Catholic Church because it forbad services or bibles in the vernacular. TheTudors encouraged preaching in Wales in Welsh and Wales became Anglican easy as pie. And more literate:

    “In 1551 the Denbighshire scholar William Salesbury published a Welsh translation of the main texts of the Prayer Book. The translation of the New Testament into Welsh was first produced by Salesbury in 1567. It was superseded by a translation of the whole Bible by Bishop William Morgan in 1588.”

    But of course the Tudors were of Welsh descent.

    Mind you, the Cromwells were of Irish descent – or at least that was a common belief in the time of the first famous Cromwell in that family viz Thomas Cromwell, minister to Henry VIII.

    That, of course, is the sort of thing that happens in a small archipelago.

    • LOL: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  215. dearieme says:
    @Ron Unz

    Why don’t people demand to see Big Mike’s birth certificate?

    I have always assumed that the yarn is a (rather good) joke. Whereas the story about Madame Micron is merely absurd.

  216. dearieme says:
    @Mark G.

    How can a right be “natural”? Rights are part of the society in which we live; therefore rights are entirely artificial. Largely good artificial objects too, but artificial nonetheless.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Greta Handel
  217. MEH 0910 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    ** Then there’s Truth, commenter here, who thinks any woman is a man.

    I think that commenter Truth has a genuine delusional misidentification syndrome that as far as I can tell hasn’t been given a name yet (like, say, how Capgras delusion is the name of the delusion that someone you know has been replaced by an identical duplicate imposter). On the other hand, he could just be trolling.

  218. J.Ross says:

    If all historical anti-Semitic material disappeared (eg, Streicher cartoons), all that would be necessary would be to interview that dirty gangster from New York, what’s his name, the filthy criminal guy who’s always babbling about murder, you ask him about politics and his pulls put a knife and waves it around, there’s reel after reel of him saying “nice place you have here” type lines, — oh, yeah, Senator Charles Schumer.

  219. @dearieme

    Certain rights are unalienable.

    That is, they are natural, cannot be taken away, and therefore are not part of society or artificial. They are part of what it is to be human.

    • Agree: Greta Handel
    • Thanks: Mark G.
    • Replies: @dearieme
    , @Corvinus
  220. @Achmed E. Newman

    One more (likely not last) time:

    It didn’t take long after his arrival here at TUR to see that Mr. Sailer isn’t so much a dissident as a copium denmother for disaffected white guys who skew 40+ in age. In practically all other respects — and, thus, effectively in that one — he narrates or stands silent on behalf of the Establishment.

    What’s the most important thing written by Steve Sailer that these two sentences don’t explain?

  221. Mr. Anon says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    #4 is the guy who murdered the CEO of UnitedHealthcare on a New York street back in December.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  222. @J.Ross

    The great Rick Griffin painted John the Baptist in the style of a Popeye cartoon:

  223. MEH 0910 says:
    @Hail

    Vance may think: Hey, this petty island desperately needs H1b invigoration, much like my own family-line has gotten. And we have-to have-to have-to humiliate Europe wherever possible.

    JD Vance criticized mass immigration into Europe at the Munch Security Conference back in February.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_JD_Vance_speech_at_the_Munich_Security_Conference#Key_points

    The speech was said by media outlets to focus on Vance’s assertion that internal threats were the greatest dangers to European democracy, not external challenges from Russia or China.[7] He said mass immigration was Europe’s most significant problem, noting record levels of foreign-born residents in Germany and increased EU immigration from non-EU countries caused by “conscious decisions” from European leaders. Vance connected the vehicle-ramming attack by an Afghan immigrant on trade union demonstrators in Munich on the eve of the conference to the issue and argued for greater responsiveness to public concerns about migration.[8]

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/02/14/full_speech_vice_president_jd_vance_addresses_munich_security_conference.html

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  224. Hail says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A great joke-blurb for the back-cover of a book of Sailer’s satirical writings:

    “I don’t think Steve Sailer is a liar”
    — Achmed E. Newman

  225. dearieme says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I have a hankering for him to propose a modification to that amendment “except if the person has been cheated from winning a Presidential election in which case he may be elected a third time in compensation.”

  226. Jack D says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Ever since Adam, we are all fallen sinners. So while the Jews are not immaculate (BTW I don’t know who is saying that they are except you as a straw man) neither are they the root of all evil as some here seem to think.

    They are a people like any other people except maybe a little smarter than most. The same can be said of white men. Maybe in recent years you are getting a little bit of the feeling of what it is like to be an accomplished group. The envious masses always want to pull down those who stand a little taller. The Procrustean Bed is not a new concept. There are two ways of achieving equality – one way is to drag everyone down to the level of the lowest common denominator.

    Smart white people like Donald Trump know that it is better to get some smart Jews on your side. Calling all Jews the root of all evil is not a good way to go about this.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Johann Ricke
  227. @John Johnson

    ‘Republicans are historically skeptical of tariffs and for good reason…’

    !

    ‘…Smoot was a Republican from Utah and chairman of the Senate Finance Committee. Willis C. Hawley, a Republican from Oregon, was chairman of the House Committee on Ways and Means. During the 1928 United States presidential election, one of Herbert Hoover’s campaign promises was to help beleaguered farmers by increasing tariffs on agricultural products. Hoover won, and Republicans maintained comfortable majorities in the House and the Senate during 1928. The House passed a version of the act in May 1929, increasing tariffs on agricultural and industrial goods alike. The House bill passed on a vote of 264 to 147, with 244 Republicans and 20 Democrats voting in favor of the bill.[10] The Senate debated its bill until March 1930, with many members trading votes based on industries in their states. The Senate bill passed on a vote of 44 to 42, with 39 Republicans and 5 Democrats voting in favor of the bill…’

  228. @Achmed E. Newman

    A list of some things I remember at the moment that Steve has written or implied which made me wonder:

    • A small group of guys from Ukraine rented a boat and blew up the Nord Stream pipeline, just like on the old Sea Hunt TV show! Don’t look at the US and the West!

    • The Ukraine mess is “Putin’s War.” Ignore the shenanigans our side played there: the color revolution that overthrew a legitimately-elected, Russia-friendly government; the creeping threat to move NATO into that country on Russia’s border…

    • Bill Gates would make a great Covid czar. Remain in lockdown. This thing is gonna kill us all.

    • Oswald acted alone. There is nothing suspicious about what happened.

    • Sirhan acted alone too! In fact, he was the first Palestinian terrorist in America!

    • Elon and DOGE should slow down!

    • And what of Gaza? Silence…

    I think there have been more, but I’m lazy.

    These things made me wonder if Steve is just gullible, or stuck in old thinking from his trusting youth, or kind of stupid like some nerds who are clever with, say, statistics and such but are morons about most other things, or being fed disinformation by his friends with connections that he naively regurgitates, or is actively, knowingly being disingenuous and spreading lies.

    I suppose it just possible that he truly believes and has deeply thought out all of his opinions, even though the ones most in line with the powers that be, regarding most of the most important issues, so surprisingly clash with everything else he writes. And his silence about other things speaks volumes.

  229. @Greta Handel

    “Trump was caught in a purity spiral; we all were.” No, we all weren’t.

    I wasn’t. You weren’t. But if we all put on our thinking caps and joined forces to make it the list of public Americans who didn’t spew stupidity on the issue every single time they wrote or spoke would be very short.

    Offhand: Joe Rogan and Aaron Rodgers (on McAfee’s show.)

    Surreal situation when sports reporters’ asides are orders magnitude better information than the people with that purported job description. It’s too bad that Donald the Fat didn’t pick Rogan instead of Musk for the position of First Bro.

  230. @Mike Tre

    To hell with this palestinian “student”. Letting hordes of useless brown people remain in the US as a poke in the eye to jewish power is still suicide.

    He is not of the West and should have never been allowed into the US in the first place.

    But he’s here legally. So wake me up after we’ve got all the illegals deported.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Mike Tre
  231. dearieme says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    But the claim is utter bollocks as I’ve just explained. What they probably meant is “we want to keep our British rights” but it would have been too embarrassing to phrase it like that.

    Still, I have to admire your notion that something declaimed by politicians must necessarily be true: very bold of you. Does it apply to Trump and Biden too?

    We get no rights by virtue of being human. Man is a social animal – our rights come from our societies. Different societies, different rights.

  232. @dearieme

    J. S. Mill’s distinction between “right” and “liberty” would put, as best I recall, free speech in the latter category.

    But can you elaborate? Do you not see anarchy as worthy of idealization, even if not practically achievable?

  233. @Hail

    But would more people get the joke, or the book?

  234. Hail says: • Website
    @emil nikola richard

    “Trump was caught in a purity spiral; we all were.” No, we all weren’t.

    I think Anti-Gnostic’s original point was not, I think, that “we were all individually indulging in the Panic.” The phrasing “purity spiral” suggests, to me, a collective force.

    The mass-delusion of a movie-script-like Apocalypse Virus is one thing, but the “We’ve Got to DO Something!”-ism was something else. Things were taken outside the realm of rational individual choice at some point, likely by the closing days of February 2020, possibly earlier.

    The “Covid” purity-spiral limited the ability to act by dissenters. That is what the purity-spiral idea means.

    Those of us on the Anti-Panic side at the time were swept up in events and sidelined, certainly even vilified. A revolution occurred, or coup d’etat if you prefer, one which is dateable on a time-frame of weeks and not (as often the case) years to decades (as with something like “feminism,” “environmentalism” and others). The 2020 Covidian coup is something so embarrassing, already in the mid-2020s, that the leading Panickers of 2020-2022, and full-throated indulgers in the mass-delusion of 2020 are embarrassed to remember it. That’s why you see it so little discussed anymore, I think. Too many people are too embarrassed by their own mis-calls at the time.

    ________

    The real question of the “Corona-Panic” is not what Trump said, or did, at this-or-that time. Nor is the real question the exact date of the Trump Warp-Speed Vaccine was announced. The real question is how this medieval-like social monster, which I like to call the Corona-Panic, was able to break through, was able to succeed, in the early months of 2020.

    That’s where the “purity spiral” idea comes in. Anyone who was in the realm of the political, in 2020-2022, had to contend with the awe-some power of the Corona-Panic.

    The committed opponent of the Panic, — and there were too few who “stuck their necks out” at the critical time — generally saw the whole thing as a mass-delusion (basically the correct “call,” IMO, although often gotten-to for the “wrong” reasons, as Emil Nikola Richard writes here). But after April 2020 or so, such an Anti-Panic figure generally had to wait until spring 2022, or even later, to be too forceful about things. Otherwise, he’d get pigeonholed as a bad-uncaring-callous-antiscience person and mocked and crucified. Whether or not successful, an attempt at such would be made. It’s now forgotten how much they attempted to destroy Ron DeSantis at the time, for example.

    At its height, the Corona-Panic had the ability to escalate to nuclear-war-like conditions, over a flu virus (!!). It was able to do so with a relentlessly terrifying momentum.

    The truth is, IMO, we’d have been quite a lot better off, on net and all things considered, taking no measures at all. But in the period between late-February 2020 to early-April 2020 (or later), those terrible few weeks, purity-spiraling ruled the day. We ended up with a rapidly-ascendant Corona Cult (“Is ‘Corona’ a religious cult? An anthropological study” May 18, 2020, Hail To You).

    The Corona Cult of the early 2020s emerged quickly but powerfully. Its ascent to the commanding heights came through purity-spiraling, in no small part. It held the whip hand over sensible humanity, decency and human goodness of all kinds, for two grueling years. The cult-leaders have largely fled town and not been heard from again, but the damage is being felt even now, at the five-year mark.

  235. @Mr. Anon

    The US gave up overt development of bioweapons in 1969.

    Covert development might be a different matter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Alibek

    This guy thought there was no offensive bioweapon program in the US.

    Scroll down to “Career”.

    Just one guy’s opinion, but if he was willing to defect over it…of course he also signed off on the Saddam Hitler has WMD’s so maybe he’s really gullible.

    The obvious drawback to bioweapons (aside from morality) is: how do you make sure their side gets it, but not your side?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  236. @dearieme

    You do not think like an American.

    Unfortunately, many Americans today don’t think like Americans either. I can’t remember what you are, but the claim is not — to use your British term — “bollocks.” It is a legitimate part of a philosophy of human life. I did not repeat it because it was “declaimed by politicians.”

    Your view is perfect for most other countries, where the “citizens” (read subjects) accept whatever “rights” their governments tell them they may have. This is not a true, American view.

  237. Okay, now it seems that nobody’s new comments are tinted blue (if Corvinus and Jack D are no longer blue, I assume nobody is). If new comments aren’t blue, you have to scroll all the way to the bottom and read the new comments from the bottom up. I’ve already complained about this twice on “Bugs and Suggestions,” to no avail so far. Somebody else please complain.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  238. @Buzz Mohawk

    • Sirhan acted alone too!

    Citing an NFL icon over others present.

    Jockularity has always been part of the shtick, too.

  239. Brutusale says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It exudes “Bond…James Bond”!

  240. It would be nice if that ol’ antisemitism battery could just be allowed to run down, but…

    It keeps getting recharged. Anybody notice anything about those three activist judges Pam Bondi just singled out?

    One’s a Hispanic lesbian. The other two are Jews.

    Look. All you have to do is look. It never ends. It’s right there.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  241. Brutusale says:
    @kaganovitch

    “Blue Origin’s motto is “Gradatim Ferociter,” which translates to “Step by Step, Ferociously” in Latin. This motto reflects the company’s approach to developing space technologies incrementally and with intense dedication.”–Brave AI

    They’re just taking baby steps!

    • LOL: Kaganovitch
  242. HA says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “you are a bloody-minded war-monger and tyranny-apologist.”

    Ah, the Putin apologists and fans of the guy who wants us to swipe Greenland and Canada (not to mention ethnically cleansing Gaza) are accusing me of being a war-monger and tyranny-apologist. As if their side-splitting views on science were not comical enough, they’re giving us a comedy two-fer.

    “And so popular was Steve’s take on COVID that he lost most of his donations and had to decamp this site for Substack.”

    Yeah, it was the COVID thing that did it, and I’m sure he regrets that every single day. Because it’s a safe bet that the very people who are too poor to afford Substack (and too ignorant to see the cutting edge research International Journal of Innovative Research for what it is) were successful go-getters in life who generously parted with their hard-earned cash during every pledge drive. What a terrible downturn in prestige and economic standing it must have been to leave behind the oh-so-respectable Ron Unz and his forays into Hitler apologetics and Holocaust denial — I’m sure when Steve originally decided to sign up with Unz he would have been totally fine with that — and other such “research” and analysis that is right there on the level of the IJIRT.

    And I’ll bet he misses you most of all, Mr. Anon. You keep telling yourself that.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  243. Amazing how the media are covering the Vance family visit to Greenland.

    The island is already open to the US which has had a military base there since before World War II. It is open to US mining companies too, if they want to dig there.

    If the US really, really, really wants sovereignty over Greenland, then surely an amicable buyout could be arranged to the satisfaction of all. And if US citizens really want to live in icy conditions, there is always Alaska.

    Just needs a few adults in the White House.

  244. Hail says: • Website

    Trump hosted an Islamic Ramadan dinner (Iftar) this week at the White House.

    This was several days before the grand end-of-Ramadan feasting, to occur this weekend by those who find themselves involved with the religion created by Mohammed.

    The man did his usual Blumpf-boasting: how much he likes Muslims, how much they like him. (He knows no other mode than constant hype, constant self-aggrandizement.)

    https://twitter.com/dr_duchesne/status/1905594137832800307

  245. @the one they call Desanex

    Certainly. Best solution: auto-approve ALL commenters and rescind autoapprove ONLY if a commenter starts fedposting: viz threatening violence, etc.

    Since Pfiser Steve is gone, selective whimming no longer serve PS’s purpose of channeling commenters into his preferred narrative whilst censoring comments that undermine his narratives, false premises, and blatant trolling and shilling. Since PS vamoosed, the comments have improved immensely – the signal:noise ratio is now about 1:1 where it was 1:200 whenst Steve controlled the comments.

    Let ’em through, Ron. 👍

  246. @dearieme

    We get no rights by virtue of being human. Man is a social animal – our rights come from our societies. Different societies, different rights.

    And? This society, these rights.

    Almost everything is a social construct in some sense. As the widespread institution of human sacrifice demonstrates, even the urge to self-preservation can be suppressed. Suttee can become ordinary.

    Almost literally everything is somehow mandated or curbed through societal pressures. Sexual preferences, work habits, responses to provocation — it’s almost all socially determined.

    That doesn’t make it less real.

    So, as an American, I do have these rights. As long as there’s actually an America, the rights are actual.

    • Replies: @dearieme
  247. Corvinus says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “That is, they are natural, cannot be taken away,”

    But they were taken away for women and for non-whites. Mind you, that was the thought process at the time by the Founders. But was that something that ought to have been permanent, that it was a major error in judgement to have extended rights to those two ground? Why?

  248. Jack D says:
    @Colin Wright

    How about you look at Stephen Miller? At Howard Lutnick, Steve Witkoff, etc. Your “looking” seems to be very selective.

    How about “activist” judge Amir Ali? He sure doesn’t sound Jewish to me.

    But just keep looking for those Joos.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  249. Corvinus says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “These things made me wonder if Steve is just gullible, or stuck in old thinking from his trusting youth, or”

    No, he’s just simply right on those issues you mentioned, and you’re wrong. He knows more than you. His life’s work was published by a Jew (even though Mr. Sailer is not fond of the tribe) and was even interviewed by Tucker Carlson! Plus, his stories are real, not made up like your fanciful tales.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  250. @emil nikola richard

    Surreal situation when sports reporters’ asides are orders magnitude better information than the people with that purported job description. It’s too bad that Donald the Fat didn’t pick Rogan instead of Musk for the position of First Bro.

    Oh, I disagree.

    Elon Musk is the richest man in the world. And now he’s been flushed out of cover and forced to take sides. It’s the Right wins or he perishes.

    We’ve got our own George Soros — and with Twitter as a house newspaper. And he’s not Jewish!

    This should keep yielding dividends long after Trump is a memory.

    We want Elon. Nothing against Joe Rogan, but we want Elon.

  251. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    I agree, I don’t support rounding up brown people with tattoos so long as they are US citizens or aliens with valid visas that have not been revoked. And the Secretary of State can revoke your visa any time he wants. No alien has a “right” to stay in someone else’s country. You are a guest in America’s house and if you make yourself a pain in the ass then expect to get your visa revoked just like you would throw an unwanted guest out of your house. It is not subject to judicial review.

    If you have no valid visa, then you are deportable. Your home country has a responsibility to take you back just like America will take back any American. If I show up at the Beijing airport with no Chinese visa they are going to put me right back on a plane to the US.

    If your home country is ruled by scoundrels then we are STILL not obligated to keep you. If there is some 3rd country willing to hold you until your homeland fulfills its responsibility to you, they can have you. The minute Maduro says he will take back his own citizens they can leave El Salvador.

  252. Corvinus says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “I told Mr. Sailer that that should have been one hell of a scoop. Were he writing for National Review still, had they let him write that, it should have made him famous. They freaking held up that “moon shot” miracle cure that panicked Americans were so keen on, to deny Trump the glory.”

    Except Me. Sailer got that all wrong. Comment 18.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-the-missing-piece/#comment-5248262

    —Mr. Sailer is assuming here:

    1. there was a subset of voters who were awaiting news about a potential vaccine under Trump’s watch, and were ready to change their mind the moment there was an announcement;

    2. there was a subset of voters who up until the election day were uncertain who they were going to vote for, and needed “good news”, in particular on the vaccine front, and decided not to vote for Trump because he failed to deliver.

    The problem with Sailer’s peddling of this vaccine political conspiracy theory, while possible, is that there had been tens of millions of mail-in votes already casted before Pfizers alleged malfeasance, and thus they would have been unaffected compared to those going in person to the polls. More than likely, people had already made up their mind about who they were going to vote for.

    Of course, while we should give Trump credit for authorizing Operation: Warp Speed to find a vaccine for a global scourge, is that not what a president should be doing anyways? Besides, let us NOTICE that Pfizer notably did not accept government money to develop, test, or expand manufacturing capacity under Trump’s Operation Warp Speed initiative to quickly find a vaccine. Pfizer had partnered with the vaccine’s original developer, Germany’s BioNTech, in March 2020. The White House announced Operation Warp Speed in May 2020.—

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  253. @Achmed E. Newman

    That said, [Steve]’s absolutely wrong that we MAGA types would have LUVED, LUVED, LUVED! the vax, had it come out when Trump was still (or again) President, because “he did it”.

    AEN, did Steve actually write or imply that?

  254. @Buzz Mohawk

    It is a legitimate part of a philosophy of human life. I did not repeat it because it was “declaimed by politicians.”

    Also, those rights were not merely “declaimed by politicians”, they were already being defended by collective violence committed by ‘common’ men of a certain society:

    The 250th anniversary of Lexington and Concord is this April 19th.

    https://www.nps.gov/mima/index.htm

    https://www.nps.gov/mima/planyourvisit/patriots-day.htm

    https://www.nps.gov/mima/learn/historyculture/april-19-1775.htm

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  255. @Jack D

    How about you look at Stephen Miller? At Howard Lutnick, Steve Witkoff, etc. Your “looking” seems to be very selective.

    How about “activist” judge Amir Ali? He sure doesn’t sound Jewish to me.

    But just keep looking for those Joos.

    It was the Attorney General who selected the names. If you feel she picked out Jews because they were Jews, take it up with her.

    More seriously, there is a real problem here. Jews have come to dominate the legal field, and have both invested it with their own sensibility and extended its brief.

    I don’t see it all as having come about through any conscious or malevolent intent — but it has come about, and it is a problem.

    Kind of like rabbits in Australia. Rabbits are perfectly nice, and they don’t intend to be a problem there — but they are. It’s asking a lot of you, but if you could stop being so defensive and in denial about such phenomena, it might be possible to shed some light as well as heat.

    Whatever are we to do? Things can’t continue as they have to date. While it would be understandable if you objected to what you fear I and others might propose, it’s at least as understandable if we begin to find the current situation intolerable.

    I mean, it’s always fucking Jews! Or near enough. Surely you don’t propose we just let it go on and grow worse still? If not, then what do you suggest?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Corvinus
  256. @Jack D

    ‘And the Secretary of State can revoke your visa any time he wants.’

    Perhaps — but aren’t we talking about permanent residents? And those hold Green Cards, that are bestowed by a judge, and can only be revoked by a judge.

    Anyway, it’s the purest hypocrisy. Quite obviously, part of Miriam Adelson’s quid pro quo for her hundred million dollars was that the new administration move to suppress and intimidate criticism of Israel.

    And that’s what’s happening. After all, there have been far more noxious pro-Israel agitators who aren’t citizens. How many of them has Rubio shipped off to Louisiana?

    And worse: as I say, this is the Israel Lobby corrupting and manipulating US politics yet again. After 9/11, we were bamboozled into invading Iraq, and now our attempt to reverse the tidal wave of illegals the (Jewish) Biden administration inflicted on us is being distorted to serve the goal of silencing protest Israel doesn’t like.

    • Replies: @epebble
  257. @Corvinus

    ‘ (even though Mr. Sailer is not fond of the tribe) ‘

    That was not my impression at all. In fact, I had the impression that Steve Sailer had discovered that he was a Jew himself.

  258. EdwardM says:
    @epebble

    If Biden can pardon or grant clemency for everyone convicted of marijuana possession because he doesn’t like those laws, let’s see Trump do the same for everyone convicted of tax evasion.

  259. @Jack D

    You are a guest in America’s house and if you make yourself a pain in the ass then expect to get your visa revoked just like you would throw an unwanted guest out of your house. It is not subject to judicial review.

    If that is the case, then people who are given visas to visit the US should be informed of this in exactly those words.

    And what about green card holders–permanent residents of the United States? People who may have paid taxes, contributed to Social Security, have American spouses, professional licenses, parented American children, etc. Is it really right that one man can dismiss them from the country on a personal whim? If that is the law, then shouldn’t it be changed?

    It is childish to say that a country is a house and that even a permanent resident who owns a house in the US can be evicted from the country for no reason, or perhaps for a real reason, but one that is secret and not subject to review.

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @muggles
  260. MEH 0910 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    did Steve actually write or imply that?

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/the-worlds-least-popular-true-conspiracy

    The World’s Least Popular True Conspiracy Theory
    The Feds are finally investigating what I’ve been pointing out since November 2020: Pfizer shut down its Operation Warp Speed vax clinical trial from late October until the day after the election.
    Steve Sailer
    Mar 26, 2025
    […]
    In a hilarious development, because Operation Warp Speed’s success was not announced in time to help Trump, which would have of course made Trump supporters very pro-vaccine and left liberals the main vaccine skeptics (as has historically been common), Trump supporters completely forgot Operation Warp Speed and declared vaccines a dangerous conspiracy.
    […]
    Today, RFK Jr. is working on solving the no more measles epidemics problem for us.

    But it’s easy to imagine an alternate timeline in which Pfizer announced the efficacy of its vaccine on the day before the election, Trump is re-elected, and now anti-vaccine conspiracy theorizing remains what it was during the election campaign when fear, uncertainty, and doubt about a Trump vaccine were being spread by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris: a Democratic tendency with its epicenter in its traditional home of Marin County.

  261. epebble says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    If that is the law, then shouldn’t it be changed?

    For illegal aliens there is:

    50 U.S. Code § 21 – Restraint, regulation, and removal

    Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.

    (R.S. § 4067; Apr. 16, 1918, ch. 55, 40 Stat. 531.)

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/21

    For legal aliens, there is:

    Section 237(a)(4)(C) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

    Section 237(a)(4)(C)(i) renders deportable “[a]n alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States…”

    https://myattorneyusa.com/immigration-blog/deportation-and-removal/removal-deportation-defense/section-237-deportability-statutes-security-and-related-grounds/#C-FOREIGN-POLICY

    Both have stood the test of time and court challenges.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  262. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    How the British Gun Control Program Precipitated the American Revolution

    David B. Kopel

    This Article chronologically reviews the British gun control which precipitated the American Revolution: the 1774 import ban on firearms and gun powder; the 1774-75 confiscations of firearms and gun powder, from individuals and from local governments; and the use of violence to effectuate the confiscations. It was these events which changed a situation of rising political tension into a shooting war. Each of these British abuses provides insights into the scope of the modern Second Amendment.

    From the events of 1774-75, we can discern that import restrictions or bans on firearms or ammunition are constitutionally suspect — at least if their purpose is to disarm the public, rather than for the normal purposes of import controls (e.g., raising tax revenue, or protecting domestic industry). We can discern that broad attempts to disarm the people of a town, or to render them defenseless, are anathema to the Second Amendment; such disarmament is what the British tried to impose, and what the Americans fought a war to ensure could never again happen in America. Similarly, gun licensing laws which have the purpose or effect of only allowing a minority of the people to keep and bear arms would be unconstitutional. Finally, we see that government violence, which should always be carefully constrained and controlled, should be especially discouraged when it is used to take firearms away from peaceable citizens. Use of the military for law enforcement is particularly odious to the principles upon which the American Revolution was based.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1967702

  263. epebble says:
    @Colin Wright

    And those hold Green Cards, that are bestowed by a judge, and can only be revoked by a judge.

    Green cards are issued by DHS and can be revoked by Secretary of State. Court/judge enters into picture only for naturalization.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  264. @J.Ross

    Those features were to bait you in.

    They are still available if you pony up for the premium service. There is one of these marketers who occasionally gives out these free tidbits that wants us to pay 20.00 USD per month for her greatness. The internet is a firehose of free data. Why anybody would ever pay money to get more of it is one of the universe’s biggest mysteries.

  265. muggles says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The more things change, the more they remain the same.

    Especially in Yemen.

    I can still remember news from “North Yemen” and “South Yemen” in the 50s-60s, though the Brits for a while had military troops in one of those, “advisors.”

    I believe that the Sunni/Shia Muslim divide is a great factor in the chronic Yemeni fighting.

    Today, roughly, the Saudis fund the Sunni “South Yemenis” whereas Iran funds the “North Yemenis” who are mainly Shiite.

    Various groups are also referred to as “tribesmen” and “tribes” probably are the main political unit.

    None of these groups could fight with anything other than small arms were it not for outside funding and supply.

    So, the more things “change” there, the more they stay the same.

    Like Ireland, the Catholics and Protestants still don’t get along…

  266. muggles says:
    @Hail

    I just assumed that at the conclusion of the Vance’s visit to Nuuk, J.D. would announce the annexation of Greenland as a new US territory.

    I am undecided as to whether that would be a good thing.

    I think Trump thinks it is a smart long run real estate play for global warming.

    “Get it while it’s cheap!”

    Meanwhile, promote summer vacation ski trips. The designs for the new Trump Ski Resort and Casino look terrific!

    If Al Gore still believes in Global Warming, why has he been so quiet about this? Is he still alive? Does anyone know? Does anyone care?

    • Replies: @Hail
  267. @epebble

    ‘Green cards are issued by DHS and can be revoked by Secretary of State. Court/judge enters into picture only for naturalization.’

    I stand corrected. However, the Secretary of State has to have legally specified grounds for revoking a green card.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @epebble
  268. @YetAnotherAnon

    In Stephen Dorrill MI6 (like most real spy books it is tediously dull except for the sparse edible corn kernel buried in the feces) he reports the last time a real career MI6 officer was killed in the line of duty was in Yemen back in 1963. The Yemenis paraded his detached head on a stick in the main street of their great city.

    I wonder if MI6 vengeance from 60 years ago could be a contributing issue. If MI6 has forgotten the Yemenis have certainly not.

    Nearly all those dead people’s names on the wall of honor at CIA headquarters are contract idiots. Real CIA employees who get a paycheck with their tax and their health and dental subtracted every month do not get killed in the line of duty for many years now.

  269. @Colin Wright

    ‘…However, the Secretary of State has to have legally specified grounds for revoking a green card.’

    It also has to be noted that such grounds could only be specified by Congress. And the First Amendment explicitly bars Congress from passing any law that infringes upon the right to free speech. Therefore, any attempt to revoke a green card simply for the exercise of free speech would necessarily be unconstitutional.

    I suspect that is why Rubio is simply holding these people he’s seized in limbo. He knows that if he proceeds further, his action will be challenged in the courts, and inevitably ruled unconstitutional.

    At least notionally, we do still have the rule of the law.

  270. muggles says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    And what about green card holders–permanent residents of the United States? People who may have paid taxes, contributed to Social Security, have American spouses, professional licenses, parented American children, etc. Is it really right that one man can dismiss them from the country on a personal whim? If that is the law, then shouldn’t it be change

    So join the Democrat Party (while it still exists) and crusade for the “rights of foreign visitors” to be treated just like citizens.

    In the current cases, those being kicked out (other than gangsters) have openly espoused support for federally designated “terror groups”. I.e. groups which have or espoused violence against Americans and American property.

    In what fairy tale foreign land is such outspoken support for enemies tolerated and welcomed?
    These people are visitors and should expect to show respect and deference to the wishes of the governments which permit them entry.

    How long would you remain in any other nation when publicly agitating and endorsing terror groups which that government has declared criminal? And organizing boycotts and shutdowns of public and private universities in support of said terror groups?

    Go to the National University of Spain and shut it down in support of the ETA. See what happens.

    Or the Real IRA at Oxford. Or as a foreign student (or even a citizen) close down the University of Berlin to support “Justice for Neo Nazis.”

    What fairy tale land do you recommend?

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman, MEH 0910
  271. J.Ross says:
    @Colin Wright

    Your “noticing” seems to be highly selective, you like Jews when they make the country better, and you disapprove of Jews when they’re child molesters amd murderers.

    That’s how it’s supposed to work.

    This is actually an illustration of the phenomenon, best noticed in the dinner conversation scene in White Hunter, Black Heart, where it is the “anti-Semite” who is judging people by their conduct, and it is the Jew who insists that all Jews be put together in one category.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  272. @Brutusale

    Jimmy Page with two right hands.

    None of the Romanovs have correct hands either. Goebbels is the closest.

    The thing about this format is it allows you to punt on the eyes and the hair which are far more difficult than hands.

  273. epebble says:
    @Colin Wright

    While Section 237(a)(4) of INA has fairly compelling reasons to deport a resident alien, some seem fairly ‘lightweight’. For example,

    the Board held that an alien convicted of violating 18 U.S.C. 32(a)(5) (2006) (for interfering with a police helicopter pilot by shining a laser light into the pilot’s eyes while he operated the helicopter) was removable under section 237(a)(4)(ii).

    That could be a stupid fellow playing with his laser pointer ‘toy’!

    More powerfully, Marco Rubio is having a field day with:

    Section 237(a)(4)(C)(i) renders deportable “[a]n alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States…”

    He is systematically crawling through protesters social networks and media and deleting their green cards/visas.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  274. dearieme says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Preposterous poltroonery. If “rights” are natural how come only Americans have them? Surely you can come up with an argument with a little more internal consistency than that.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @J.Ross
  275. dearieme says:
    @Colin Wright

    Of course rights are actual. There would be no point discussing them otherwise. But they are not “natural”. They are part of your society. People in the same society at different times have different rights. People in different societies have different rights.

    Some people here seem both to conform and deny that, an odd way to look at things: they believe in Schrödinger’s rights, I suppose.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  276. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Busy day, Generic, but what MEH pasted in (from Mr. Hail’s comment above and I assume one of the SteveSailer.net posts).

    That’s pretty exasperating to read. Mr. Sailer does not know a lot of us. He’s anti-low-brow, even the very good people.

    • Thanks: Jenner Ickham Errican
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  277. Alfa158 says:
    @J.Ross

    I remember that video of the debate with Goldberg’s crush, Tennessee Coates trying to put out coherent thoughts, and Goldberg stepping in every 15 seconds to coach him. “What my very good friend Tennessee is trying to say is…”
    Even Coates started looking distinctly uncomfortable at the way he was getting fawned over.

  278. @Hail

    Tucker was more enthusiastic, but that’s still a favorable review. Maybe it’ll be on the back of my next copy.

    For Mr. Handel – I’ll write to Mr. Mohawk regarding his points, but as far as writing anti-Establishment stuff, I ask you to please give Mr Sailer’s book a chance. Even though I’d read parts of about 50-75% of his chapters in pieces on his blog, this book as well-organized and a fantastic read. Yes, it is anti-Establishment.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  279. @dearieme

    Not just Americans have those rights. Everyone has the same rights that God gave them as human beings, but Americans (ideally) only give their government enough power to protect those rights, not to decide what those rights are. God made you a man, and a man has certain rights. If you don’t stand up for them, you lose them.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

    • Agree: Mark G.
  280. @emil nikola richard

    .It’s too bad that Donald the Fat didn’t pick Rogan …

    I disagree, Mr. Richard. I’ve seen that 3 hour interview of his with Trump and maybe pieces of 3 or 4 others. I like the guy. He’s not stupid, but I don’t think he really knows anything about anything besides his own life, the MMA, TV, etc.

    He doesn’t seem to know any political history. He’s just a good listener who was in the right place (podcasting) at the right time. Tucker is a whole lot better interviewer, and, since I mentioned him, he’d have been a better President.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @emil nikola richard
  281. @Achmed E. Newman

    … I’ll write to Mr. Mohawk regarding his points…

    I’ll probably be too lazy or not have enough time to write a proper reply worthy of what no doubt will be your thorough discourse.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  282. Corvinus says:
    @Ron Unz

    “But since she has a huge following and she seemed to sum things up the JFK/Mossad hypothesis pretty well in just 3 minutes”

    No, she is a kook, especially when one of her white fanboys declares her video as “At this stage, if you don’t fully agree that Israel Mossad was the main culprit behind JFK assassination, then you’re either blackmailed, reetarded, bribed, and/or jewish.”

    This is beyond irrational.

    Also, perhaps in the future you can just open up the next thread without promoting one of your pieces. We all know where you reside on this fine opinion webzine.

    Furthermore, has Mr. Sailer indicated to you that he would prefer NOT to have open threads in his name, given how it discourages commenters here to pay for the privilege to comment on his Substack? I NOTICED that his comment section there is sparse in both numbers and in content.

  283. Corvinus says:
    @MEH 0910

    “The Feds are finally investigating what I’ve been pointing out since November 2020”

    Sailer is dead wrong. Refer to Comment 260.

    • Disagree: MEH 0910
  284. Corvinus says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “That’s pretty exasperating to read. Mr. Sailer does not know a lot of us. He’s anti-low-brow, even the very good people.”

    My vague impression is that he knows you, and “whimmed” enough of your comments so as to not clutter up his posts. But ever since his departure from unz—probably over money—you and Hail are free to bulldyke your way through. I get it. You both are trying to build up your brand.

  285. Pericles says:
    @Hail

    Suggestion to the Danes: float the idea of a 100% tariff on Ozempic to ‘certain countries’. Also sue sue sue anyone who tries to violate the patent, etc.

  286. Mike Tre says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sailer does two things most people do:

    He has a tendency to jump to conclusions, and

    Refuses to admit when he is wrong.

    Secure and humble people can admit they are wrong; the opposite can’t.

  287. Jack D says:
    @Colin Wright

    This was Biden’s fallacy. We can’t deport them all, therefore we can’t deport any of them. Gotta start somewhere.

    This is like the old lawyer joke.

    What do you call 100 lawyers chained to rocks at the bottom of the sea?

    A good beginning.

    Getting rid of Abdul was is a good beginning. All of a sudden the Men of Unz don’t like deporting aliens?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Colin Wright
  288. Mike Tre says:
    @Colin Wright

    “But he’s here legally.”

    LOL yeah let’s make a list of all the things that are legal that never should have been.

    ” So wake me up after ”

    You don’t wake up from suicide, silly.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  289. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    Colin does the opposite – he only notices when Jews are “bad” and then he concludes that all Joos are bad.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  290. @Buzz Mohawk

    A list of some things I remember at the moment that Steve has written or implied which made me wonder

    Boy you guys sure spend a lot of time thinking about someone that disagrees with you.

    Do you need that much group affirmation? Are you uncomfortable with anything less than total conformity? Maybe the open forum format isn’t for you.

    The Ukraine mess is “Putin’s War.” Ignore the shenanigans our side played there: the color revolution that overthrew a legitimately-elected, Russia-friendly government

    That pro-Russian president was removed by Ukrainian Parliament and was denounced by his own pro-Russian party.

    A detail that is always left out by pro-Putin bloggers and their dishonest “US dun it” narrative where Nulan somehow caused a coup with magic witch powers even though she wasn’t a director or even second in command.

    Unlike pro-Putin bloggers I can back what happened with a source to the actual vote:

    Ukrainian MPs vote to oust President Yanukovych (Feb 22 2014)
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26304842

    I can also dig up the statement from his pro-Russian party where they call him a murderer.

    The UN voted 143-5 that Russia is the unjust aggressor and not a victim. That vote would now be 144-4 now that Putin has betrayed Assad. Are you that offended that Steve agrees with the UN and not North Korea and Belarus?

  291. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Maybe because I am a horrible old neo-con or Joo or something, I think most of the positions that you ascribe to Steve are actually correct.

    For example, now that all the JFK files are out, I STILL see no reason to say that Oswald did not act alone. If there was a conspiracy to kill JFK it was an awfully good one in that 60+ years have passed and no one has uncovered any evidence of it yet.

    I highly recommend a visit to Dealey Plaza and the Texas Book Depository. It is all still there looking very much like it did in 1963. The terms used to describe it – the Plaza, the Grassy Knoll, etc. make it seem like Oswald was making impossibly lucky shots at some vast distance over the Texas plains. In fact the whole scene is quite compact. The Plaza is really a small on-ramp that sits at the edge of the downtown street grid, the entire Grassy Knoll would fit in your back yard and what Oswald did was akin to shooting fish in a barrel, especially for someone with Oswald’s Marine training.

    Please forgive me, but you sound like the prototypical conspiracy nut who believes that every single thing that you have ever been taught is false. You forgot to include the moon landings and the fact that the earth is not flat among the “false” things that Steve allegedly believes.

  292. Mike Tre says:
    @dearieme

    “There’s rather a contrast between “influence” and “stamp out”. What exactly do you mean?”

    What, are you playing dumb all of a sudden? WTF do you mean?

    “I remember once reading an Irishman who blamed, in part, the Roman Catholic Church because it forbad services or bibles in the vernacular.”

    Cool story bro. So I guess we can believe an Irishman when he says something that excuses British oppression. BTW, Catholic mass was held in Latin in the US up until the 1960’s. Pretty sure no one speaks Latin these days outside a university classroom. So you’re really struggling to lay the blame elsewhere? Maybe it was aliens?

    DDG AI Assist, Why don’t the Irish speak Gaelic anymore?

    Answer:

    The decline of the Irish language, often referred to as Gaelic, began in the 17th century due to English rule and policies that discouraged its use, leading to a preference for English. Today, while many people in Ireland can speak Irish, the number of daily speakers is low, and the language is classified as “definitely endangered” by UNESCO.

    “Mind you, the Cromwells were of Irish descent – or at least that was a common belief in the time of the first famous Cromwell in that family viz Thomas Cromwell, minister to Henry VIII.”

    Wow. Grok3, was Oliver Cromwell Irish?

    Answer:

    No, Oliver Cromwell was not Irish. He was born on April 25, 1599, in Huntingdon, England, to a moderately wealthy English family. Cromwell was a key figure in the English Civil War and later became Lord Protector of the Commonwealth of England, Scotland, and Ireland from 1653 until his death in 1658. While he had a significant impact on Ireland—particularly through his military campaigns and the brutal suppression of Irish resistance during the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland (1649–1653)—he was English by birth and heritage.

    You are proving yourself to be the Homer Simpson of British excuse making.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @dearieme
  293. @epebble

    ‘Section 237(a)(4)(C)(i) renders deportable “[a]n alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States…”’

    See the First Amendment. If the above is construed to permit an infringement upon the right to freedom of speech, it’s obviously unconstitutional.

    Look: this is like the right to bear arms, or the electoral college. If you don’t like it, amend the constitution. There’s a procedure for that.

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @James B. Shearer
  294. @Buzz Mohawk

    Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…

    Both you and dearieme are ultimately in agreement.

    As a practical matter, every government on earth, “justly” or not, is to some extent in power due to the ‘consent’ of the governed. That consent may not be expressed explicitly as such—(“we consent”)—by its citizens, subjects, or slaves, and the current respective earthly powers that be may in fact be ruling in manners undesirable to many of their subjects.

    However, as with my Battle Road citation, there are ancient ways for subjects to express disagreement if words alone (flattery, reasoning, threats) are not effective. Consent may be unmistakably withdrawn.

    In short, if people in any given sovereign country are not motivated enough to change their government or society from which their government is derived, they are de facto in consent, even if appears their “rights”, from an American patriot’s perspective, are being violated. Even shorter:

    American rights were for a self-selected group of Anglo-Saxon deists whose descendants sportingly extended those rights to others with whom they share territory.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  295. @Jack D

    Colin does the opposite – he only notices when Jews are “bad” and then he concludes that all Joos are bad.

    I used to not notice Jews at all. Account for the change.

    As to ‘Joos’ — that would be some fixation of yours. I’ve never encountered them.

    I will note that if you could read and comprehend, and if you were a person susceptible to reason — as opposed to blind tribalism and fear — there might be something to discuss.

    But there isn’t. You’re like some panicked sheep, galloping around the paddock. So much the worse for you.

    • Replies: @Kaganovitch
  296. @Jack D

    Asking again for your thoughts on Sailer’s Whimming that’s addressed in Open Thread 1.

    1. Did you want that amplification of your comments and suppression of those who disagreed?

    2. Is this now a better or worse forum, what with the more level playing field?

  297. @Mike Tre

    ‘“But he’s here legally.”

    LOL yeah let’s make a list of all the things that are legal that never should have been.

    ” So wake me up after ”

    You don’t wake up from suicide, silly.’

    So we’re no longer to be ‘a government of laws, not men’?

    If so, at least have the honesty to say it.

    Notice who all this is on behalf of. It’s not a question of national survival. It’s a question of manning up and pulling the plug on Israel.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  298. @Hail

    The real question is how this medieval-like social monster, which I like to call the Corona-Panic, was able to break through, was able to succeed, in the early months of 2020.

    It was the will of the people who own the bulk of the medical industry. The doctor professionals followed orders. The people followed the god doctors.

    There are now millions of people who will never again follow the god doctors. I’m pretty sure the doctor professionals will 99.9% follow orders. Let thousands of Luigis bloom seems to be the plan.

  299. Trump DOJ has announced an investigation into anti-gun jurisdictions that slow walk the issuance of CCW carry permits.

    A New York court found that the City’s outright ban on stun guns was constitutional.

    Greg Bishop reviews the status of a slew of lawsuits challenging Illinois gun bans, mass transit carry bans and more. The AR ban has been around two years!

    https://twitter.com/FenixAmmunition/status/1905742511639072805
    https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1905424624168419782
    https://twitter.com/ColoradoSun/status/1905768618186744156

  300. Mike Tre says:
    @Colin Wright

    “So we’re no longer to be ‘a government of laws, not men’?”

    Huh? Just because something is a law, doesn’t make it right or moral.

    “Notice who all this is on behalf of. It’s not a question of national survival. It’s a question of manning up and pulling the plug on Israel. ”

    OMFG spare me this bullshit. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. Two wrongs don’t make a (W)right. Weren’t you taught these things in grade school?

    The US was and is meant for Western European men and women. Period. There are likely 1000’s of more qualified green card applicants from there who sit in limbo while this dimwitted Pally shit stirrer got his simply because his skin looks like mud.

    Why don’t you be honest about YOU merely wanting your own group of brown people to use against your perceived enemies?

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  301. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    More seriously, there is a real problem here. Some whites automatically assume that because Jews dominate the legal field, it automatically is a major issue. I would say those who routinely make that accusation are simplistic in their thought process.

    But for argument’s sake, let us assume that Jews were no longer part of the American legal profession. Who is to say that the whites who replaced them would be “superior” or “meet your approval” in their approach to legal and constitutional matters?

    “Surely you don’t propose we just let it go on and grow worse still? If not, then what do you suggest?”

    How about asking Trump to declare all Jews as being a threat to white people and our national security, and thus the need to purge them? Because that ultimately is what you support.

    Furthermore, how about taking your own f—- advice—“I will note that if you could read and comprehend, and if you were a person susceptible to reason — as opposed to blind tribalism and fear — there might be something to discuss. But there isn’t. You’re like some panicked sheep, galloping around the paddock. So much the worse for you.”

  302. Jack D says:
    @Greta Handel

    There were something like 700 comments on that thread. I have no intention of going back and re-reading them all.

    This was Steve’s forum and he was free to moderate it as he saw fit. AFAIK, Steve didn’t suppress the comments of people who merely disagreed with him. There were a LOT of people who disagreed with him, sometimes in very insulting terms. AFAI can guess (I don’t know what he actually deleted but I can only imagine) he must have deleted comments that threatened violence or otherwise crossed the bounds of all decent discourse.

    Some posters here I think are literally clinically insane, either medicated or unmedicated (some have even confessed to mental health issues). Such individuals cannot be allowed completely free reign. You can be so open minded that your brains will fall out.

    Steve removed few if any of my posts because I am not a crazy person, I never threatened to kill anyone, etc. I think it was a pretty low bar but apparently that was asking too much of some.

    Personally I miss Steve’s participation here more than his moderation. He is a very intelligent man who had some intelligent things to say. His mind was not clouded by hate. It was not clouded by slavish adulation to some strong man or cause. He had a clear eyed view of history and did not look at it thru some ideologically distorted lens. He did not assume that conventional wisdom was wrong 100% of the time and that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. He did not accuse people of being paid agents of a foreign power or CIA plants without evidence. That is more than I can say about many here.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  303. Corvinus says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “American rights were for a self-selected group of Anglo-Saxon deists whose descendants sportingly extended those rights to others with whom they share territory.”

    You mean the American Constitution initially affords rights to white men of different European ethnicities, and by way of our posterity extended those rights to non-Europeans and women by way of legislation and by constitutional amendment.

    It’s who we are.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  304. epebble says:
    @Colin Wright

    This is an immigration attorney’s commentary:

    Understanding INA § 237(a)(4)(A)(i) and Its Application in Deportation Cases

    Brad Bernstein explains the implications of Section 237(a)(4)(A)(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) concerning deportation grounds. Key Points: • INA § 237(a)(4)(A)(i): This provision allows for the deportation of any non-citizen engaged in activities such as espionage, sabotage, treason, or sedition, which pose a threat to public safety or national security. Importantly, a criminal conviction is not required; the government only needs to present reasonable and bona fide reasons for deportation. • Burden of Proof: The government does not need to prove these activities beyond a reasonable doubt. Instead, demonstrating reasonable grounds is sufficient for deportation under this section. • Legal Process: Individuals facing deportation under this provision are entitled to a removal hearing before an immigration judge, where they can challenge the allegations and present evidence in their defense. Case Example: The recent arrest of Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia University graduate student and lawful permanent resident, highlights the application of INA § 237(a)(4)(A)(i). Khalil was detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents, who cited his involvement in activities allegedly aligned with Hamas, a designated terrorist organization. Despite not being charged with a specific crime, the Department of Homeland Security claims Khalil’s actions have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the U.S., thereby justifying deportation under this provision. Legal Challenges: Khalil’s legal team argues that his detention violates his First Amendment rights, asserting that his pro-Palestinian activism constitutes protected free speech. This case underscores the complex balance between national security concerns and individual constitutional rights, particularly regarding freedom of expression for non-citizens. Understanding INA § 237(a)(4)(A)(i) is crucial, as it outlines specific grounds for deportation related to national security without the necessity of a criminal conviction. Cases like Mahmoud Khalil’s illustrate the challenges and legal intricacies involved when this provision is applied, especially concerning the balance between safeguarding national interests and protecting individual rights. For more insights into immigration laws and your rights, follow our page and stay informed.

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1167620968186301

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  305. Jack D says:
    @Mike Tre

    It’s very sad when a language become extinct or near extinct like Irish (or Yiddish). It’s even sadder when the reason for the extinction is that most of the speakers have starved to death or been murdered or have been forced to emigrate.

    That being said, English is the lingua franca of the modern world. Speaking the world’s dominant commercial language is a real asset. If all of the Irish spoke Gaelic as their first language they would be much poorer than they are now. Switching to English was ironically in the long run one of the best things that the Irish ever did for themselves (or had done to them). Life is funny in that things that seem like (and are) a tragedy at one time may later turn out to be a blessing at some other time.

    The flip side of this is to see what happened in Quebec. The French speakers of Quebec wanted to preserve the primacy of their language as the embodiment of their culture and to a great extent they succeeded. However, this success came at a price. Montreal was at one time the undisputed commercial capital of Canada, where all the big banks and corporate HQs were. And Toronto was kind of a sleepy Midwestern city. But all of the nationalist schtick and language police nonsense caused big business to flee and now Toronto is the #1 city in Canada. And any child who grows up in Quebec speaking mainly French has crippled his marketability in the national and international job market. Fervent nationalism has a cost.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  306. @Buzz Mohawk

    Manana, my friend. I’ve gotta finish a post about Antarctica, before the Climate Calamity™ kills off the Penguins and/or Trump turns it into a freaking casino.

    Chillax, guys!
    .

    So please don’t say mañana if you don’t mean it.
    I have heard your lines for so very long.
    Don’t try to describe the ocean if you’ve never seen it
    Don’t ever forget that you just may wind up being wrong.

    Let’s Reggae, Penguins!
    .

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Joe Stalin
  307. @Jack D

    Another 300 words, but no answer to either question.

    Let’s try another: did you send him money?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  308. Hail says: • Website

    The Alarmist asks:

    – When was Peak American Womanhood?

    – When was Peak White-Western Womanhood?

    Are these the same period?

    The Alarmist comments:

    Having asked if Elizabeth Montgomery [1933-1995] might have been the peak of American womanhood, Grace Kelly [1929-1982] came to mind. She may very well have been the peak of Western womanhood.

    https://alarmist.substack.com/p/american-girls-versus-european-women
    https://alarmist.substack.com/p/youre-not-supposed-to-notice
    https://alarmist.substack.com/p/im-torn (he offers a few more nominations in this one; by decade, his proposed choices seem to be: 1950s, 1960s, or 1970s)

  309. Hail says: • Website
    @muggles

    I just assumed that at the conclusion of the Vance’s visit to Nuuk, J.D. would announce the annexation of Greenland as a new US territory.

    I am undecided as to whether that would be a good thing.

    I’ll tell you the reason the Greenland Grab gambit is a bad thing:

    It represents bullying of, and aggression against, a close friend and literal “treaty ally.” It is dishonorable. It undermines the idea that the USA is an ally (i.e., dependable partner and friend) at all, rather than a kind of mafia-state.It is terrible for the U.S. image. It actually means “we are the bad guys.” There is no reason we have to do this, to act like movie-villains under a buffoonish leader.

    It goes beyond that the dishonor of bullying allies and friends: As Steve Sailer pointed out in his essay, Denmark is, in many ways, a model for what a rich-Western country should be in the 21st-century, in policy-line terms, what given Sailer’s Most Important Graph and related thing:

    For many years, Denmark has maintained among the tightest immigration-restriction regimes against Non-Westerners. Even the social-democratic party on board with restrictionism. It is a consensus in their politics.

    Imagine a consensus by the U.S. Democratic Party and Republican Party, the main-lines of both and most wings of both, for serious VDare-like immigration-restrictionism, the consensus to hold for twenty years and more. That’s Denmark. It’s real. It’s not talk. With Trump and his clown-parade of petty-imperialists, aggressive-zionists, and the endless stream of flatterers, well, the immigration-restrictionism turns out to largely be “talk”; or, rather, all a show, with social-media-crafted memes or videos meant for symbolism, over real numbers.

    Sailer also points out that Denmark has strong defense spending and even participated in the USA’s wars at per-capita rates higher than most U.S. states. An ideal ally in addition to being a model WEIRD country. Not some caricature of decadent parasitism which Trump dreams up in his own fantasy0world. Denmark is a small-scale version of the kind the USA should try to get back to, rather than embracing Wrestlemania as an ideology and a Third Worldist line of practical governance. (See: “The Trump-as-Caudillo theory revisited: Fighting Third Worldization through another form of Third Worldization?” late-February 2025.)

    Even if Denmark were less admirable in all these terms (as Sailer identified), it is still among the closest allies in the world. Bullying it and grabbing territory, annexing unilaterally, is dishonorable and maybe worse for the U.S. image than even the Iraq War of 2003. It means the USA is now a kind of outright mafia-state (see the Trump-as-Caudillo essay).

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Corvinus
    , @Hail
  310. Hail says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’ve gotta finish a post about Antarctica, before the Climate Calamity™ kills off the Penguins and/or Trump turns it into a freaking casino

    We hear that the effort has been brought to a state of completeness:

    The melting of Antarctica: More Alarmist Trickery – Part 1 (Peak Stupidity)

    The melting of Antarctica: More Alarmist Trickery – Part 2 (Peak Stupidity)

    https://peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=3217
    https://peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=3218

    Conclusion (?) about a NASA-touted “Antarctic ice melt” graph:

    This form of graphical alarmism (hey, I like that term!) is not the same as picking a data range (of years). This one involves showing changes alone without showing the base number. Yes, it’s a big scam

    Advice given:

    Penguins and Polar Bears alike, chillax, dudes! Nothing’s gonna change your world. Nothing’s gonna change your world…

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  311. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    Nice deflection. And strawman.

    Sure, we are all of us capable of wrong. It’s just that when any particular member or members of your tribe is so accused, it is invariably a bum rap. There are always reasons – special reasons, that don’t apply to others – why it isn’t the way it looks.

    As I said, it’s an old schtick by now.

  312. epebble says:
    @Hail

    It is not difficult to notice that Trump admires ‘Strong’ states like Russia and China while having disdain and contempt for ‘Weak’ states like Canada and EU. For some reason, he is gentler with Mexico than with Canada. Definitely, no talk of 52nd state etc., While he is destroying friends like Canada and EU economically through tariffs etc., he just hung a carrot in front of China – I will reduce tariffs if you give us majority share of TikTok. It will be a hoot if they can sell 51% of TikTok to Oracle and get tariff reduced to below Canada and EU.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  313. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    This was Biden’s fallacy. We can’t deport them all, therefore we can’t deport any of them. Gotta start somewhere.

    Yeah, and if it just happens to be somewhere most desired by the pro-Israel lobby, well, that’s just a coincidence, isn’t it?

    Getting rid of Abdul was is a good beginning. All of a sudden the Men of Unz don’t like deporting aliens?

    What about that Turkish woman that ICED snatched off the street in Massachusetts? Six guys to abduct one woman who wrote an op-ed critical of Israel. Is that part of that good beginning?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  314. @Colin Wright

    “See the First Amendment. If the above is construed to permit an infringement upon the right to freedom of speech, it’s obviously unconstitutional.”

    The constitution doesn’t grant the same rights to non-citizens as it does to citizens.

  315. Mr. Anon says:
    @HA

    Ah, the Putin apologists and fans of the guy who wants us to swipe Greenland and Canada (not to mention ethnically cleansing Gaza) are accusing me of being a war-monger and tyranny-apologist.

    I am not a Putin apologist, nor am I a fan of Trump, nor do I want to annex Greenland or Canada.

    But then, “HA” is a known liar.

    As if their side-splitting views on science were not comical enough, they’re giving us a comedy two-fer.

    That’s rich, coming from, you vile creep.

    Yeah, it was the COVID thing that did it, and I’m sure he regrets that every single day.

    Ron Unz even stated that Sailer’s readership dropped dramatically after 2020. Anything in particular happen in 2020?

    And I’ll bet he misses you most of all, Mr. Anon. You keep telling yourself that.

    I’m sure he doesn’t, nor do I miss him. And – rest assured – nobody here would miss you.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @HA
  316. epebble says:

    wrote an op-ed critical of Israel

    Depending on the persuasiveness of the writing, it may constitute “potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States”. Cynical it may be, truthful it is. All the campus activism makes U.S. policy of supporting Israel look unpopular. So, it is in the interest of the Secretary of State to get her out of U.S.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  317. @epebble

    ‘Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government…’

    Kind of a moot point then, isn’t it? It’s specified that the war must be declared — and we haven’t been in a declared war for nearly seventy years.

    • Replies: @epebble
  318. @Corvinus

    Naturally, I said it better…

    Agree: Corvinus

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @res
  319. Mark G. says:
    @Hail

    “It’s now forgotten how much they attempted to destroy Ron DeSantis at the time.”

    DeSantis not only won reelection by a large margin but many people moved to Florida during the epidemic to get away from the lockdowns and vaccine mandates. States that followed opposite policies like New York and California are still struggling to recover from the negative economic effects of the lockdowns.

    During the campaign, the person who got the most enthusiastic response at Republican rallies next to Trump was lockdown and vaccine mandate opponent RFK Jr. This was likely a major factor in Trump picking him to head the Dept. of HHS and the Republicans in Congress going along with it. Also getting confirmed were vaccine mandate opponents Martin Makary, Jay Bhattacharya and Susan Monarez at the FDA, NIH and CDC.

  320. Mark G. says:
    @Mike Tre

    “Further, my take is that Sailer is attempting to deflect from that fact that he himself was a huge, chest thumping proponent of everyone getting injected with this shit”

    Yes, and Steve was doing that on the basis of the widely held belief at the time that the Covid vaccines would stop transmission of the disease, thus ending the epidemic. During this period, people trying to get the information out that the vaccines did not stop disease transmission were getting censored. For example, former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson was kicked off Twitter after the Biden administration asked Twitter behind the scenes to do so.

    A big problem during the epidemic was lack of statistical evidence about the negative effects of the vaccines. The system set up to collect such evidence, VAERS, was difficult to figure out how to use and slow. It could take hours to enter a report so in many cases no report was entered. Reporting was voluntary and not required. A user friendly system would likely have led to more reports of negative vaccine side effects. That would have probably led to only older people in high risk categories being encouraged to get the vaccine and more efforts made to develop and offer early home treatments for people reluctant to get an inadequately tested vaccine.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  321. @J.Ross

    Nice.

    Yes, it nicely epitomizes Sailer’s

    • limited thinking, addressing an Establishment versus people issue as a partisan political one

    • typical inking, demeaning skeptics as the sheep to obscure his gullibility and cowardly endorsement of that Establishment

    Sailer is, as others have noted here, generally disdainful of the stereotypical MAGA man. But there were thousands of comments at TUR starting in 2020 smelling the bullshit on the COVID dempanic that he Whimmed (and, concerning the crapshots, that Ron Unz “trashed”) from those who don’t even attend the Red+Blue puppet show. Despite the suppression, we helped each other understand what was going on.

    Some of us saw through Sailer, too.

  322. @Jack D

    The anomalous position of the Irish is probably the best example of the fundamental existential differences between Europe’s West & East.

    The West is full of “failed nations” who have long historical roots, but didn’t succeed to affirm themselves (Welsh, Irish, Basques, partly Catalonians, Provencals, Scots (?)..). They may be better off in many areas now, but- they are not, as far as definition of a nation goes, “real” nations- communities of destiny which have become communities of character.

    English (language) will probably lose much of its importance in the next 50 years to the development of technology.

    The position of the European East (and I would say most of civilized Asia) is that only literary, historical language makes a people a real entity. The Irish have, not because of their fault, become second rate English. There is no dominant Irish culture in their own language- Joyce, at the end, wrote from the perspective of a “conquered race”.

    As far as prosperity goes- by far more successful Danes, Icelanders, Dutch, Finns, Estonians … wouldn’t ever think of renouncing their native language.

    Even less Czech, Slovaks, Slovenes, Croats, Serbs, Bulgarians,Albanians, Poles, Lithuanians ….

    Would Poland exist as a real nation, had they lost their language & were forced to adopt German and Russian?

    Irish is probably typical for small Western nations that: 1) did not have forms of some kind of statehood based on national individuality, nor memory of some- real or imagined “glorious past”, 2) did not possess a significant literary production in some variety of their vernacular.

    That, I think, is the crucial difference between European West & East, as far as it goes for numerically smaller peoples. That stubbornness of will to be, rooted in history.

  323. MEH 0910 says:
    @Corvinus

    Except Me. Sailer got that all wrong. Comment 18.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-the-missing-piece/#comment-5248262

    I read the responses, by res (#26) and Hypnotoad666 (#36), to your tendentious comment.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  324. Brutusale says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Nice. Now, do the Kurds; they speak Kurdish and are oppressed by six different countries.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  325. Mike Tre says:
    @Mark G.

    “A big problem during the epidemic was lack of statistical evidence about the negative effects of the vaccines.”

    The bigger problem was the universal, instantaneous and hysterical dogmatic belief in the threat. It was almost quite literally a religious epiphany for 100’s of millions of people, with masks replacing rosaries and the jab replacing the Eucharist. Did you ever try not wearing a mask in public at that time? I did, and I was treated exactly as a heretic would be. The fear mongering made people insane.

    Sailer was swept up in this, because he, HE!, had cancer once! Can you not see the narcissism in that way of thinking? I was sick! I want to play golf! So YOUR kids need to be locked in their homes for a year.

    As I said before, he jumped to a conclusion and it was the wrong one, and he’ll never admit that he was wrong. That is the indication of an arrogant, insecure man.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
  326. Moshe Def says:

    Just a note on the ongoing line of discussion… None of the New Comments were blue for me this morning

  327. @epebble

    For some reason, he is gentler with Mexico than with Canada. Definitely, no talk of 52nd state etc.,

    With Mexico having a large problem with organized crime, extortion of businesses etc, even if the US invaded just a small part of Mexico they would probably find themselves involved in very nasty guerilla warfare creating a new refugee crisis which would drive even more people into the United States.

    I am not sure that the US would be very enthusiastic about extending the second amendment to the Mexican population.

  328. Corvinus says:
    @MEH 0910

    Digital Harpo! Long time, man. Now, recall how I responded back.

    —All you have done here is rely on your crutch of “you cannot trust the media”, rather than specifically address the points made in the source.
    The larger issue is that your “Fake News” insinuation is a farce, a joke. It leads people to become patently ill-informed. How? Because all it takes is someone to utter that phrase, and the assumption becomes “true”.

    A person who desires to be informed delves into the matter by perusing several sources and by astutely investigating one’s own recency or confirmation biases. In this manner, the person is more likely to arrive at a more objective finding of the available facts. Instead, anything that does not automatically fit into one’s crafted narrative as “fact” or “truth” becomes “Fake News”.

    It is virtually impossible to argue with those people who cling on this “Fake News” or “media lies” meme. Any fact one provides an argument, they immediately attack the SOURCE, rather than the SUBSTANCE. Unfortunately, this leads more people to become ignorant by facilitating echo chambers and confirmation bias. We are all guilty of it, just more people employ it on a regular basis compared to other people. Even Mr. Sailer and Mr. Unz? Of course. On one hand, they tacitly encourage readers to peddle this “Fake News” mantra. On the other hand, they latch on to MSM stories that seemingly support their conclusions.—

    Here is the advice of Ron Unz…

    I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980’s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions…On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”

    • LOL: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  329. HA says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “I am not a Putin apologist,…”

    Right. Just an apologist for those who want to bury their heads in the sand. Big difference, eh? But you best keep that kind of talk out of your Signal feeds or Putin may hear you.

    “Ron Unz even stated that Sailer’s readership dropped dramatically after 2020. Anything in particular happen in 2020?”

    Given that Ron Unz, unlike you, was never a self-appointed-spokesman of the just-a-flu bros, that would apply to him, no? But then, consistency was never your strong suit, was it, you self-appointed-spokesman you?

    “I’m sure he doesn’t, nor do I miss him.”

    And yet, here you come around again. No sir, you ain’t missing Sailer at all, no matter what no one says. Keep telling yourself that, too.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    , @Mr. Anon
  330. J.Ross says:
    @Brutusale

    He was talking about Europe but his point was that language protects identity regardless of what the map says, which the Kurds demonstrate.

  331. @Brutusale

    I don’t know enough about Kurdish history. Just, Muslim peoples do not have the same concept of nationality as European ones- for them, religion comes first. Shia Arabs are closer to Shia Iranians than to Sunni Arabs.

    European national individuality is closer to the east Asian one, for instance Korean or Japanese. Muslim peoples simply have a different way of perceiving their position in the world.

    For Europeans, from Lithuania to Georgia- it is something different.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  332. Corvinus says:
    @Hail

    Well, YOU voted Trump into office, knowing full well his flaws, and now you have buyers remorse?

    Too f—- bad.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  333. Mark G. says:
    @HA

    HA, how’s that Ukrainian invasion of the Kursk region doing these days? I seem to remember telling you it would end up working out about as well as the Confederates invading the North and heading for Gettysburg and you scoffing at the notion that there was any comparison.

    • Replies: @HA
  334. Mark G. says:
    @Corvinus

    “now you have buyers remorse”

    Four years of Donald Trump as president is still going to be better than four years of Kamala Harris as president. The Democrats may make a comeback in 2028 but they need to ditch the woke policies. The leading contender for the nomination is Gavin Newsom but under the Democrats California is such a dysfunctional state that large numbers of productive people have been moving out of it. Voters are aware of that and that will hurt Newsom’s chances.

    This is a problem for the political far left, that people can just leave the places where they run things. The Democrats can’t set up the equivalent of the Berlin Wall and shoot people trying to leave, though I imagine many of them would like to.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  335. res says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    One of the better uses of the fake reactions I have seen (nice link ; ). JIE, maybe try adding a nbsp before the dot for more verisimilitude?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  336. epebble says:
    @Colin Wright

    There is a conjunction after that doing the heavy lift:

    or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event

    Trump has proclaimed that the aliens are soldiers in a Trojan horse designed to destroy U.S. from the within.

    That said, my guess is,

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24A931/354225/20250328102104004_24a%20Trump%20v.%20JGG.pdf

    may not be entertained and SCOTUS may let the D.C. court opinion stay.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  337. Hail says: • Website

    Steve Sailer says baseball was better in the 1970s; and obsessive data-crunching (“the analytics revolution”) has had a harmful effect on enjoyability:

    Is Baseball 90% pitching?

    Can baseball survive the decline of the starting pitcher?

    by Steve Sailer
    March 29, 2025

    With baseball season gearing up again, the New York Times Magazine runs a long article about the decline of the starting pitcher. If starters aren’t allowed to throw more than 100 pitches per game, how can they achieve traditional superstar pitcher statistics such as 20 wins per season? How can this be good for baseball?

    How Analytics Marginalized Baseball’s Superstar Pitchers [New York Times Magazine]

    Why has pro baseball made it so hard for today’s pitchers to achieve greatness?

    For example, 2024 was the first year since 1961 when none of the top ten players in major league baseball were pitchers, according to the synthetic Wins Above Replacement statistic of all-around value:

    Since 1950, pitchers peaked in star value in the 1970s due to the huge number of innings the best pitchers threw at the end of the four-man rotation era.

    (By the way, for 2021-2023, I listed two-way superstar Shohei Ohtani as 0.5 pitcher per year.)

    So far, the 2020s have had lousy starting pitchers, but not much worse than the 1950s. People who grew up during the 1970s, the great era of starting pitchers, are probably most likely to be dissatisfied with current baseball.

    By Bruce Schoenfeld

    Mr. Schoenfeld is a frequent contributor to the magazine and the author of ‘‘Game of Edges: The Analytics Revolution and the Future of Professional Sports.’’

    March 26, 2025

    … Starting pitchers were traditionally taught to conserve strength so they could last deep into games. Throwing 300 innings in a season was once commonplace; in 1969 alone, nine pitchers did it.

    Here’s a graph of league leaders in innings pitched from 1950-2024:

    [Paywall.]

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/is-baseball-90-pitching

  338. @Greta Handel

    I think my confusion on what you’ve been continually griping about is that you were “Anon” or “Anonymous” before. Going back to 5 years ago tomorrow (just happens to be), I wrote this post on Peak Stupidity that was nothing much more than the pasting in of a great comment by E.H. Hail from, of course, a Steve Sailer thread.

    The SS post was How Long to Shut Down? Let’s Procrastinate on Making That Decision. Were you still an anon then? I didn’t see your Handel on that one nor, IIRK, all those SS posts about the Kung Flu that I could stand to go through. Were your comments about the Kung Flu blocked often too?

    That short post of his has 425 comments underneath. You might enjoy it, but maybe you did read it. There are some pretty worried people and some “calm TF down” folks like myself, Mr. Hail, and a host of others. Ron Unz chimed in. My first reply to “… Making That Decision” was “Rush said it best, Steve: If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” (That’s the band out of YYZ, not the jolly Conservative talk show host.)

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  339. @dearieme

    ‘Of course rights are actual. There would be no point discussing them otherwise. But they are not “natural”. They are part of your society. People in the same society at different times have different rights. People in different societies have different rights.’

    It’s a bit vexed. Yeah, you’re right that it’s absurd to expect everyone in all times and places to conform to our values du jour; it’s hard to be shocked, shocked that Milton of Paradise Lost was blatantly and ferociously sexist. But at the same time, that medieval Mongols thought it fit and proper to rape and kill everyone in the city after it fell and then salt the ground doesn’t make it cool. Should we agree the Holocaust was fine because the Nazis decided it was fine?

    Sometimes, these questions just don’t have a tidy answer that makes everything all better. However, I think my point is that culture is real. People assume society can just be rearranged without consequence — and they’re wrong.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  340. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    Norway today declared its support for Denmark over the Greenland Grab.

    The wording by Norway — which itself counts as an Arctic power — suggests it will take measures to help block Trumpist-imperial land-grabs, be it Greenland or any other European states. Is the EU far behind in this type of line?

    The question is: would Trump really escalate to the point of invading Greenland, and dispossessing it — from his own ally? Would such a stupid and unnecessary act destroy NATO? The other question is: Did anyone vote for this kind of foreign policy of endless streams of bullying, insults, and even invasions of allies’ territory?

    ___________

    The Norwegian foreign minister, Espen Barth Eide, released this statement today:

    Norway gives its full support to the Kingdom of Denmark. Mutual respect for territorial integrity and sovereignty is the fundamental principle of international law.

    Arctic security must be enhanced.

    As NATO allies, we shoulder the responsibility for Arctic security together.

    That statement, by Norway, followed a few hours after a more-diplomatic one by Lars Lokke Rasmussen, the Danish Foreign Minister, which said:

    Dear American friends.

    We agree that status quo in the Arctic is not an option.

    So let’s talk about how we can fix it – together.

    The Danish foreign minister included a 2-minute video statement: https://twitter.com/larsloekke/status/1905764027210547565

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @epebble
    , @Old Prude
  341. Mr. Anon says:
    @HA

    Right. Just an apologist for those who want to bury their heads in the sand. Big difference, eh? But you best keep that kind of talk out of your Signal feeds or Putin may hear you.

    I don’t have to take a side in somebody else’s fight. YOUR fight, evidently, given how many pixels you’ve spilled on it But I see no reason why my country should get involved. You want to fight Russia, YOU go fight them. There’s the airport. Here’s a rifle. Go get ’em, a**hole.

    Given that Ron Unz, unlike you, was never a self-appointed-spokesman of the just-a-flu bros,

    As usual, you are lying. I never said “just a flu”. I said “just a pandemic”. We’ve had them before. And events have vindicated my side, not yours. Your side – the screaming hysteric’s side of the argument is now being walked back and repudiated bit by bit. Even that awful shrew, Leana Wen, is starting to ever so quietly admit that she was wrong. And that’s how it is: WE were right. YOU were wrong. But I guess you can take some pride in being the last masked up zombie in the COVID bunker.

    And yet, here you come around again.

    I’m here for the same reason I’ve been here for the last five years – for the forum – the comment section. I haven’t much cared what Steve had to say since that time. But there are a number of people here whose opinions are worth the time, although not those of creepy little weasels like you.

    • Replies: @HA
  342. Mr. Anon says:
    @William Badwhite

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Alibek

    This guy thought there was no offensive bioweapon program in the US.

    Scroll down to “Career”.

    I read his book. That was 25 years ago. And we do have a “defensive” bioweapons program. Management of that is one reason that Anthony Fauci was one of the highest paid government employees. And it’s not clear that there is any meaningful distinction between “offensive” and “defensive” when it comes to bioweapons. Gain-of-Function research makes almost no sense in any context other than bioweapons development.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
  343. @Achmed E. Newman

    MeTV has a “cartune” OTA channel (26-7) in Chicago in which they run restored old, OLD cartoons which I have never seen or heard of… many of them from WWII or even before. One them is Chilly Willy.

  344. Corvinus says:
    @Hail

    “The question is: would Trump really escalate to the point of invading Greenland, and dispossessing it — from his own ally?”

    He might. But it wouldn’t matter. He wouldn’t get impeached. The GOP is cucked.

    “Would such a stupid and unnecessary act destroy NATO?”

    Isn’t that his ultimate goal?

    “The other question is: Did anyone vote for this kind of foreign policy of endless streams of bullying, insults, and even invasions of allies’ territory?”

    YOU did when YOU helped put Trump into office, given his nature.

  345. HA says:
    @Mark G.

    “HA, how’s that Ukrainian invasion of the Kursk region doing these days?”

    Given that the Ukrainians managed to tie up Russian troops for months, well after the October 1 deadline that Putin had set, then yes, any comparison with Gettysburg, which was over in 3 days, is pretty desperate on your part.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  346. Corvinus says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “The position of the European East (and I would say most of civilized Asia) is that only literary, historical language makes a people a real entity”m

    followed by…

    “ Would Poland exist as a real nation”

    Damn, great examples of the No True Scotsman Fallacy. So you are unilaterally redefining that a “real group of people” is one whose language remains intact AND a “real nation” only exists if they have preserved their language. Mind you, there are other major markers of culture and specific criteria of what constitutes a nation, but in your narrow minded world, that does not enter into your calculus.

    “Irish is probably typical for small Western nations that: 1) did not have forms of some kind of statehood based on national individuality, nor memory of some- real or imagined “glorious past”, 2) did not possess a significant literary production in some variety of their vernacular”

    By all means, keep embarrassing yourself.

    https://irelandprestigetours.com/blog/the-impact-of-the-irish-language-on-the-countrys-culture-identity

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  347. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    But at the same time, that white southerners thought it fit and proper to segregate blacks and whites and at times use extralegal measures in the process (see lynchings) doesn’t make it cool. Should we agree that Jim Crow was fine because aouthern whites decided it was fine to ultimately circumvent the Plessy ruling?

    Hoisted by your own petard.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  348. HA says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “I don’t have to take a side in somebody else’s fight.”

    If you’re going primarily after the ones speaking against Putin, you are taking a side. You’re just too much of a sleazebag to admit it.

    “As usual, you are lying. I never said ‘just a flu””.

    You just answered, using the word “WE”, a question addressed to the just-a-flu bros. I included the link for you though maybe you’ve forgotten how that blue/purple font works in addition to conveniently and conspicuously forgetting your own comments. So what does that tell you? Care to continue spouting lies, or do you want to make it obvious by projecting that onto me?

    As for Sailer, the fact that he never managed to be convinced by the side whose “research” consisted of Facebook memes and sample-size-of-one papers published in some predatory publishing scam journal alongside their surveys of Indian-made lawn furniture, that’s on you and the other bros, not him. As much as his publisher must have been dismayed that Steve chose to part ways with a publisher who embraces Hitler apologias and Holocaust denial — I’m sure that will make the marketing of the book and his further ouvre SO much harder — he seems to be doing pretty well on Substack without you. Which is more than can be said for you, given what you’ve been reduced to.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  349. Mark G. says:
    @HA

    But the Russians kicked the Ukrainians out of the Kursk region just like the Union army kicked the Confederates out of the North, right? Do you know how the Civil War ended?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @HA
  350. @Corvinus

    We have quite a few posters that have a hard time applying critical thinking to all media sources.

    They make this false assumption that because the MSM has poor credibility it means that:

    1. Everything reported in the MSM can be disregarded as false
    2. Small and independent media sources can be assumed as true

    Both are illogical assumptions. Someone with a small media following is just as capable of lying for an agenda as a CNN producer.

    Here is an example:

    1. The MSM lied about the Hunter laptop story (true)
    2. The MSM lied about Biden’s mental state (true)
    3. The MSM reported that Russia is using North Korean troops. Since the MSM is dishonest by pattern we should assume this report is propaganda. (false assumption)

    The problem here is that the use of NK troops isn’t being analyzed with available evidence. It’s being analyzed based on reporting. World events happen before they are reported by the media. The MSM lacks credibility but it is illogical to assume that everything they report is false.

    • Thanks: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  351. Mr. Anon says:
    @John Johnson

    1. The MSM lied about the Hunter laptop story (true)
    2. The MSM lied about Biden’s mental state (true)
    3. The MSM reported that Russia is using North Korean troops. Since the MSM is dishonest by pattern we should assume this report is propaganda. (false assumption)

    Nice strawman there, Johnson. Who the Hell here has ever claimed that Russia is not using Nork soldiers?

    I guess it’s easy to win an argument when you only ever argue against yourself.

  352. dearieme says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Not much bloody use defining rights in terms of a fictional old fascist in the sky.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  353. @Mike Tre

    “As I said before, he jumped to a conclusion and it was the wrong one, and he’ll never admit that he was wrong. That is the indication of an arrogant, insecure man.”

    Adoption does that to a person 😔. Rejection by your creator, by the very womb that bore you, makes you insecure your whole life. It makes people extremely conformist as well.

  354. Mr. Anon says:
    @HA

    “I don’t have to take a side in somebody else’s fight.”

    If you’re going primarily after the ones speaking against Putin, you are taking a side. You’re just too much of a sleazebag to admit it.

    No, I speak out against those who want to commit my country to a war that is not in my country’s interest, i.e. against a**holes like you.

    You just answered, using the word “WE”, a question addressed to the just-a-flu bros. I included the link for you though maybe you’ve forgotten how that blue/purple font works in addition to conveniently and conspicuously forgetting your own comments. So what does that tell you? Care to continue spouting lies, or do you want to make it obvious by projecting that onto me?

    I don’t even know what the f**k you’re talking about, and I suspect you don’t either. Are you capable of just plainly stating what you mean instead of enshrouding it in a cloud of squid-ink?

    As for Sailer, the fact that he never managed to be convinced by the side whose “research” consisted of Facebook memes and sample-size-of-one papers published in some predatory publishing scam journal alongside their surveys of Indian-made lawn furniture, that’s on you and the other bros, not him.

    Again, I don’t don’t know what you are talking about. The people who departed from actual science and embraced “The Science, TM” were your crowd. Fauci pooh-poohed off-label treatments for COVID saying that they had not been subjected to double-blind placebo trials. Really? Where were the double-blind placebo trials for making everybody where a mask or locking down the whole f**king World?

    People like you humiliated yourself with your defense of the indefensible. You’re just too stupid to recognize that you have been humiliated, or you simply have no shame. I don’t really care which.

    In any case, you are a contemptible piece of crap.

  355. @dearieme

    You, Mr. “dearieme” of apparently “bloody” British origins, affix to God the phrase, “a fictional old fascist in the sky.”

    I am what is called a deist. What is sometimes called a modern deist, mind you. Several of the founders of my country were deists.

    I have no concern or belief in those fake revelations of any religion. That includes our familiar Judaism, Christianity and Islam, but I’m sure it would apply to any other sales job played on people anywhere else in the world at any time.

    What is a deist? Well, I can’t pretend to define one any better than others before me have, but I will take a quick shot at it here: A deist “believes,” (or actually recognizes via his own observations) the existence of what we all call “God.” That is, we deists at least think, logically, that everything we see and experience — including our own consciousness — is not possible without some, very great something far beyond even our ability to describe or define it.

    Okay, so you may not care or even understand that.

    That is fine, because the true, American spirit necessarily includes the understanding that We The People have certain freedoms, liberties, rights that are simply necessary to even exist as what we conceive as “God’s” conscious, self-motivating, FREE! people.

    We are free. And we define our freedom as such. And you do not understand it. You and I are different people.

    Please note: this comment has been written while I am enjoying my third margarita. We have a wonderful, sunny, 70 degree (Fahrenheit) day here, and my lovely wife and I are relaxing in the sunshine on our south-facing deck, looking at the trees, the blue sky and the sun.

    • Thanks: Mark G.
    • Replies: @emil nikola richard
  356. Corvinus says:
    @Mike Tre

    “The US was and is meant for Western European men and women. Period.”

    Says who, f—-face?

    Besides, your comment is clearly anti-white when you exclude those from eastern and southern Europe.

  357. @Buzz Mohawk

    Fictional old fascist in the sky is an ignorant analogy. For the purposes of accurate communication Great Big Model Railroader in the Sky is not a horrible analogy. That is not too far off Isaac Newton’s theology. Fascists order people around and there are material consequences if you don’t submit.

    Whoever or whatever might be up there is apparently mostly hands off. There are a few people who observe demons and fairies running ragged all over the place but they can’t show their work.

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @dearieme
  358. @Jack D

    Magically you appear. Welcome back, Jack.

    Let’s skip first to your last paragraph. Let’s recognize that therein you are employing the Cass Sunstein Effect. I.e., you are imputing to me the characteristic of someone who believes in anything that is anti the powers that be or the mainstream media.

    I do not do that. You see, I am at least sophisticated enough to know that some things can be possibly true while others are absurd.

    Where to begin?

    You mentioned in a later comment

    “Some posters here I think are literally clinically insane, either medicated or unmedicated (some have even confessed to mental health issues). Such individuals cannot be allowed completely free reign.”

    Well thanks, asshole.

    I am very much more open and willing to write about my own, personal experiences with mental health issues. My own, particular problems have centered around Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, which is very much NOT a psychosis. That means I am fully capable of observing and understanding what is REAL.

    OCD is a neurosis, not a psychosis. If anything, my personal willingness to describe my experience with this is evidence that I am actually very…

    …What shall we call me? What would you say I am, Mr. JackeD?

  359. J.Ross says:
    @dearieme

    You’re trying to make an argument out of misunderstanding a term of art. Your analysis is explained by the other societies having a different ideology, not a proper refutation of the term. In context it makes perfect sense.
    See also “well regulated.”
    Here, read this:
    https://billofrightsinstitute.org/essays/background-essay-the-declaration-of-independence-natural-rights-and-slavery

  360. Jack D says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    that only literary, historical language makes a people a real entity.

    Keep in mind that most modern languages (and literary traditions) are relative recent (mostly from the 19th century) artificial constructions associated with modern nation-states. The norm in Europe (including E. Europe) was a language continuum -you started out on the Polish-German border with people speaking Polish that was influenced by German and as you moved east it became more Polish and eventually more Ukrainian and then more Russian. Every few miles the dialect would shift a few words. People didn’t even think that Ukrainian was an actual “language” (some people still don’t). Weinreich, a linguist (and the author of the definitive Yiddish dictionary) once said that “a language is a dialect with an army and a navy.” So first you have an army and a navy (and a centralized educational system) and THEN you define a standardized language that is taught in preference to the local dialect, and you pick out national (literary) heroes and you model the standard language from their prose, etc. You are pointing the arrow of causation the wrong way.

  361. Jack D says:
    @Greta Handel

    It’s really none of your business. If Steve approved (of) my comments, it had nothing to do with my contributions to him, if any. As I said before, try being not insane.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  362. Jack D says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I think we are getting deportees mixed up. The folks that were sent to El Salvador were Venezuelan, not Arabs. The Israel lobby had nothing to do with their deportation.

    Trump is determined to restore border security and get rid of criminals wherever they are from. People who disrupt and occupy universities and threaten other students are criminals too. People who support foreign terrorist organizations are criminals.

    All the folks who people are saying they “just wrote an op-ed” in fact did a LOT more. They turned certain campuses into unlivable hellholes. If you are paying $70k/yr you should be able to be free to attend class and walk around the campus without being molested by terrorist supporters.

    The Men of Unz couldn’t give a damn about free speech. If the keffiyeh wearers were demonstrating in favor of white farmers being killed in S. Africa then you would want them on the next plane out of here. It just so happens that you like people who hate Jews just like you do. These people are not your friends. They hate white Christians only a little bit less than they hate Jews. They hide behind “democracy” and “free speech” but there is no democracy in the Islamic world. Democracy to them is just a route to power. Erdogan said that democracy is like a trolley car – you ride it to your destination (power) and then you get off. If these folks were in power in the West, the FIRST thing they would do would be to ban free speech. Free speech for us, not for you.

    • Agree: A123
  363. Corvinus says:
    @Mark G.

    The war hasn’t ended in Ukraine. We don’t know the outcome. We can speculate, of course, but don’t be foolish to say you know for sure how it will turn out. If the Ukrainians seek to fight to the bitter end to ensure their sovereignty, so be it. If they decide to cave to Russia’s demands, so be it.

    If anything, European leaders understand that Trump is a fool with his brand of Neo Con expansion, and that the GOP—most notably McConnell and Graham—enabling him to peddle this nonsense without any meaningful rebuke proves they are cucks.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  364. Corvinus says:
    @Jack D

    “People who disrupt and occupy universities and threaten other students are criminals too.”

    OK.

    “People who support foreign terrorist organizations are criminals.”

    Support as in verbally and/or by way of specific actions?

    “All the folks who people are saying they “just wrote an op-ed” in fact did a LOT more.”

    This is what she and two others wrote.

    https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj

    “They turned certain campuses into unlivable hellholes.”

    In what specific ways did their op-ed directly and willingly facilitate this creation of “unlivable hellholes”? The burden of proof is on YOU, counselor, to make the case.

    “If you are paying $70k/yr you should be able to be free to attend class and walk around the campus without being molested by terrorist supporters.”

    Objection—facts not submitted.

    “If the keffiyeh wearers were demonstrating in favor of white farmers being killed in S. Africa then you would want them on the next plane out of here.”

    Says who?

    “It just so happens that you like people who hate Jews just like you do.”

    Similar to how you like people who hate Gazans just like you do?

    “They hide behind “democracy” and “free speech” but there is no democracy in the Islamic world. Democracy to them is just a route to power.”

    Not quite accurate on your part.

    https://www.ned.org/democracy-in-the-muslim-world-remarks-by-damon-wilson-at-center-for-the-study-of-islam-democracy/

    “Erdogan said that democracy is like a trolley car – you ride it to your destination (power) and then you get off. If these folks were in power in the West, the FIRST thing they would do would be to ban free speech. Free speech for us, not for you.”

    As opposed to Bibi?

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-war-palestinians-dissent-protest-849cc9250534b5bae98cea89e6f4d35e

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/03/10/middleeast/israel-freedom-of-speech-crackdown-intl

  365. @Corvinus

    AND a “real nation” only exists if they have preserved their language.

    Yes. Language is not the only thing that defines a nation, but it remains the central one. I am talking about historical nations, not newly “constructed” entities (Americans, Chileans,..); also, there are nations that supposedly are “real”, but in reality are not. For instance, Bengalis. They claim they are one people; they have the same name for their nation; they speak the same language. But, being split into Hindus and Muslims- they are not real people. They lack a unified identity & history. A nation cannot belong to different religious civilizations- for instance, Hindu and Muslim. Russified Catholic Poles would not become “proper” Russians; also, they wouldn’t remain “real” Poles.

    They would be like Irish- both & neither. A Schroedinger nation.

    That applies also to Jews, a different anomalous people. They had their Bible translated into Greek for Hellenized Jews living in Alexandria (the Septuagint). But- when it came to final crystallization, those books written in Greek were ditched (Book of Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus,..). Only those written in Hebrew (with small passages in Aramaic) were codified.

    The language was the clincher.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @epebble
  366. Corvinus says:
    @Hail

    “IMO, we have to ask a few basic questions about Vance: Who is he?”

    A politician who wants to be President.

    “What game is he playing?”

    Swamp politics.

    “He met and married a Hindu-elite in 2013-14. Why?”

    Occam’s Razor—he loves her. Nothing wrong with that at all. He (like Trump) doesn’t care about white ethnocentrism or the preservation of Western Civilization. He’s not even pro-white (whatever that means). Vance simply plays the political game to advance his career. Think, rather than going pavement ape and defending his mixed race (!) family, he cucked when one of Musk’s minions championed to “normalize Indian hate”.

    “How, exactly, did he end up in an elite position, given that he comes, relatively speaking, out of nowhere? Something seems odd about it.”

    Useful idiot, like Pence. You really think Trump wanted a strong VP? It would take away from his spotlight. Hopefully Vance won’t be hung out to dry like Pence was on 1/6/20.

    “But to be specific about his political identity between about ages 25 to age 40 (2009 to 2025): When was J.D. Vance “pretending”?”

    Not pretending, shape shifting. Just ask Senator Graham and ex-Senator Rubio.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  367. @Achmed E. Newman

    The only thing as goofy as bitcoin for a middle class person is tesla stock. Not that some people cannot make a fortune on it. Almost all of those people already own a fortune they get to play with. The intention of the Elon life form is to fuck a lot of people in the face.

    • Replies: @muggles
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  368. @Achmed E. Newman

    I was “nudged” into coming up with a pseudonym on October 16, 2020, when RU arbitrarily limited anonymous contributors.

    I posted nothing on that Sailer thread, but have been reading TUR since circa 2014, and began commenting in 2015.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  369. muggles says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    That, I think, is the crucial difference between European West & East, as far as it goes for numerically smaller peoples. That stubbornness of will to be, rooted in history.

    Yes, language can make a “people” though not necessarily a nation. As for literature, it is more of a sad historic legacy, practically a “folk tale” than some kind of magic national identity.

    Unless things drastically change, minor languages will go extinct. Trade and mass culture already dominate via a small number of European and Asian languages.

    People will insist on teaching their children languages which matter to commerce, politics, larger cultures. They may still learn “native tongues” but for how long?

    The Chinese are already forcing mass teaching of Mandarin and generally discouraging other languages by non-Han ethnic groups. English is now the dominate language for trade, science and many mass cultural purposes. It is relatively easy to learn, read and write.

    Russian serves the same purpose in the far eastern former USSR.

    Modern electronic communication has accelerated this homogenization.

    The long run effect on “national identity” is more uncertain. But in 500 years, Poland will probably exist as a nation, but few other than scholars will probably write/speak “Polish.”

  370. muggles says:
    @emil nikola richard

    The intention of the Elon life form is to fuck a lot of people in the face.

    Ha! Your crude, rude statements are best kept in the dank recesses of your soul.

    I bought ten shares of Tesla for $104/ea. It had been as high as nearly $500 and the WSJ had just bad mouthed it after the new year last year.

    I figured it was a steal. I sold half of those recently for about $ 440/ea.

    I don’t know where your hate comes from. But it isn’t investment wisdom.

    Trying to stop and reverse Fedgov bloat and waste is unpopular with the beneficiaries of that.

    Taxation is theft, after all. No one forces you to buy a Tesla or pay for a ride on SpaceX.

    Since the Democrats have become nothing but the Party of Hate, I suspect that is where you come from and belong. Please take that elsewhere.

  371. @Jack D

    I am aware of all that, but different national languages do exist in a continuous way before the 19th C (I am speaking of Europe). Standardization is a process that may take centuries, but one can easily recognize a written language type after, say, 1100-1200.

    For instance, Italian is Dante’s Tuscan, although it has a history of codification. Italian is not French,nor Romanian, nor Castillan….let alone some Germanic language.

    There are basically three criteria for a language:

    a) genetic
    b) structural-typological
    c) cultural-identitarian, which belongs to sociolinguistics

    In the case of West Germanic languages, you have according to these criteria:

    a) 2 languages, high and low German
    b) 4 languages, Dutch, high and low German, Yiddish
    c) 3 languages- Dutch, German and Yiddish

    So, the cultural/historical-identitarian criterion is the decisive factor in the case of similar languages, even before final standardization.

    In the case of completely different languages- Polish vs German, there is nothing dubious. Nor in the case of somewhat close languages like Polish and Russian- Polish being a West Slavic & Russian an East Slavic.

    Ukrainian vs Russian is simple, too. Russians forbade using Ukrainian by czarist decrees in 1704 & continued to suppress it in the next 2 centuries. But, there was a continuity in written Ukrainian- Ivan Kotlyarevsky wrote a satirical epic somewhere in the beginning of the 19th C, before Pushkin effectively standardized Russian. In the case of Ukrainian, there is a continuity of writing & suppression of writing for at least 3 centuries. If it is just some regional variety of Russian- why forbid its use?

    As far as Irish and English go- Irish is a Celtic language & English a Frenchified-Romanized Germanic (modern English is an atypical Germanic language because of French Norman invasion & 3 centuries language yoke that fundamentally changed it). Two completely different language types. Had Irish possessed a continuity of written culture combined with the military & political success to resist- it would have survived.

    Slovene, a language that appeared much later on the scene, in the 16th C, due to various circumstances successfully repelled German & Italian encroachment, survived & now thrives.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  372. Corvinus says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “Yes. Language is not the only thing that defines a nation, but it remains the central one.”

    In your opinion.

    “I am talking about historical nations, not newly “constructed” entities (Americans, Chileans,..)”

    Historical nations were also constructed.

    “there are nations that supposedly are “real”, but in reality are not.”

    Says who? According to what metrics?

    “For instance, Bengalis. They claim they are one people; they have the same name for their nation; they speak the same language.”

    There is no “claim”. They ARE.

    —Bengalis are an Indo-Aryan ethnolinguistic group originating from and culturally affiliated with the Bengal region of South Asia, primarily residing in Bangladesh and the Indian state of West Bengal, with a shared language and rich cultural heritage. The Bengali language, also known as Bangla, is spoken by over 200 million people, making it one of the world’s largest languages. Bengalis share a common cultural heritage, encompassing traditions, cuisine, literature, and art.”

    “But, being split into Hindus and Muslims- they are not real people.”

    JFC. That’s like saying the French are not “real people” since some are Catholic and some are Protestant. No, the Bengal people are “real”.

    “They lack a unified identity & history.”

    Again, says who?

    “A nation cannot belong to different religious civilizations- for instance, Hindu and Muslim. “

    Yes, a nation can have citizens who belong to two or more religions, and many countries are religiously diverse with multiple faiths coexisting. Many countries embrace religious pluralism, meaning they recognize and accommodate the presence of multiple religions within their borders.

    “Russified Catholic Poles would not become “proper” Russians; also, they wouldn’t remain “real” Poles.”

    Yet another “No True Scotsman” fallacy.

    Do you speak squarely for the Bengalese people? For Poles? What if they come out collectively and say you are dead wrong? Would you tell them YOU know better?

    • Replies: @Corpse Tooth
  373. @muggles

    Your crude, rude statements are best kept in the dank recesses of your soul.

    Quotation from the Elon. Addressed at people who objected to him importing thousands of Indian coder coolies to the United States of America (and all of their 50 closest relatives.)

  374. epebble says:
    @muggles

    Consider yourself lucky. You got back your investment and then some. Tesla brand has been severely damaged both in and out of U.S. Currently, it is trading at P/E of 130. If it comes to the normal P/E of automakers like GM, F, Toyota, Honda, etc., it’s stock should reach 20’s.

    https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/this-is-how-tesla-will-die

  375. mel belli says:
    @BenKenobi

    According to Chat GPT, that was a quote by John Wayne!

    I guess he was plagiarizing.

    • Replies: @muggles
  376. @Jack D

    “and get rid of criminals wherever they are from

    Not quite.

  377. Ralph L says:
    @dearieme

    You missed the “We hold these truths to be self-evident” part.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @dearieme
  378. In 1960, Licklider’s seminal paper on Man-Computer Symbiosis foreshadowed interface computing.

    “The hope is that, in not too many years, human brains and computing machines will be coupled together very tightly, and that the resulting partnership will think as no human brain has ever thought and process data in a way not approached by the information-handling machines we know today.”

    The biodigital convergence was formulated in the aftermath of WW2 — the Big One. You and your handsome children are entering the Age of Unreality. So whilst you mourn the loss of your dear departed boner that smart phone in your clammy hand has transformed you into a eunuch of the electronic collective.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  379. @Corvinus

    Steve, is that you? If so, you have mastered the patois of the passive-aggressive moob sweater-wearer.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  380. At cursing old folks looked askance;
    things have changed, but it’s not an advance.
    Saying, “It’s cold as shit!”
    is what passes for wit
    with millennials like J. D. Vance.

  381. Corvinus says:
    @Corpse Tooth

    “Steve, is that you? If so, you have mastered the patois of the passive-aggressive moob sweater-wearer.“

  382. epebble says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    A nation cannot belong to different religious civilizations

    28% of U.S. adults are now religiously unaffiliated. What do you think may happen to U.S.?

    Religious ‘Nones’ in America: Who They Are and What They Believe
    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2024/01/24/religious-nones-in-america-who-they-are-and-what-they-believe/

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  383. @Bardon Kaldian

    Had Irish possessed a continuity of written culture combined with the military & political success to resist- it would have survived.

    Irish Gaelic had no chance. With Gaelic, they could speak with each other, and perhaps with the Scots and the Manx. With English, they could speak to the world. And too often do.

    It was too tempting for them to turn down. It’s inward-looking peoples such as the Finns and Icelanders who protect their languages.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @prosa123
  384. Bad news this week for any Dagoes here:

    Italy tightens rules for claiming citizenship by descent

    It probably doesn’t affect Italian-Americans, anyway. Even under the liberal old law, descent from an Italian citizen after 1870 would be disqualified had anyone in that line formally renounced his Italian citizenship. But renouncing such citizenship was a requirement for naturalization here. It would take a case where an Italian immigrant never took citizenship, and his children were born in America.

  385. Ralph L says:
    @Mr. Anon

    They justified Gain of Function research as a way to make defenses for possible future diseases, yet they failed to do that successfully. Pretty stupid not to do that work in tandem.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  386. @epebble

    I am talking about nations with deeper roots in history (although something may be said about the US).

    A nation cannot belong to various religious civilizations, as I said- the major ones being Western Christianity, Eastern Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc.

    Religiously indifferent nations have the same cultural-historical codes. For instance, Slovenes and Czechs are 30-50% atheists. But, they are Western Christians with both popular cultural codes (Christmas, Gregorian calendar,..) & high culture (symphonic music, literature, ethics,..).. Bengalis, on the other hand, have Ramadan (for Muslims) and various Hindu holidays (for Hindus); they view history differently (for Muslims, Islamic conquest was a blessing, for Hindus- a disaster); they don’t intermarry; they massacre each other during socio-economic upheavals. So called Bengali renaissance (Ramakrishna, Aurobindo, Tagore, Yukteshwar,..) was an entirely Hindu phenomenon.

    As far as Americans go- there is an abyss between informed Christian atheists and Muslim atheists. I doubt that Muslims can be Americans, because the US was for English speaking whites belonging to the Western civilization. Muslims don’t belong to the West; their roots, even when atheists, are not in ancient Greece and Rome, nor in Christian cultural codes (in Turkey and other Muslim countries, they don’t work on Friday and Saturday, not Saturday & Sunday). In high school, they don’t understand Christian associations in Hawthorne and Hemingway. Their cultural universe is different.

    So, nonbelievers still belong to the cultural matrix of a religious civilization & its vestiges (in Western Christianity, Baroque paintings depicting Greek mythology- Rembrandt, Titian,…- something alien to ex-Muslims or ex-Buddhists).

    One cannot found a nation on baseball, football & McDonalds.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  387. @Jack D

    IOW:

    1. Yes

    2. Worse (for Jack)

    3. Yes

  388. @Reg Cæsar

    The point is that Irish spirit was broken. Because they belonged to clannish society, they didn’t stand a chance against high feudalism & the beginning of the modern world. If they adapted, they would have developed early national-language consciousness & English would be defeated in most their efforts, even if they ruled the country for centuries.

    Slovaks, for instance, were put under pressure of intense Hungarization & Germanization. They were decimated in the 17th C religious wars, perhaps 50% of them perished. But they remained stubborn, codified Slovak language in the 1840s & ultimately, along with Czechs, repelled Germans and Hungarians.

    Now, they have Hungarian minority in Slovakia under their thumb.

    It is not about “am I in a better position to become someone other”. It is: I AM, and if necessary I’ll slash your throat if you try to subdue me.

  389. @res

    JIE, maybe try adding a nbsp before the dot for more verisimilitude?

    Thanks. How do I do that?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @res
  390. @Corvinus

    But at the same time, that white southerners thought it fit and proper to segregate blacks and whites and at times use extralegal measures in the process (see lynchings) doesn’t make it cool. Should we agree that Jim Crow was fine because aouthern whites decided it was fine to ultimately circumvent the Plessy ruling?

    Hoisted by your own petard.

    God, you’re an idiot.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  391. @epebble

    ‘…Trump has proclaimed that the aliens are soldiers in a Trojan horse designed to destroy U.S. from the within…’

    Yeah, but that’s complete bullshit, and anyone with an IQ this side of A123 or Corvinus realizes it — hopefully including Trump.

    I don’t need to see people who want to move into my house as soldiers in some sinister plot — I will freely grant that they might even be mighty fine folks. A lot of them are.

    I just don’t want them moving into my house.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
  392. @epebble

    Strangely, the reasoning is not applied to the far, far more serious case of Miriam Adelson.

    Whatever could be the distinction?

    • Replies: @Kaganovitch
    , @J.Ross
  393. @emil nikola richard

    My comment was about Joe Rogan, not Elon Musk.

    I do agree with you regarding Musk’s greedy anti-White support of the H1B scam.

    • Replies: @emil nikola richard
  394. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Less-than sign nbsp Greater-than-sign

    No spaces in what I wrote above. Pun unintended, but if I were to write it as you should, it would be HTML, so you couldn’t read it. Let me try it for you.

    If you see a lot of space between “me” and “try”, then it works.

    “nbsp” stands for non-breaking space, as in a space without a line break. It’s all coming back to me.

    In preview even, it doesn’t work. Dang.

    .

    .

    Anyway, you got me with that one, JIE. I was floored – Covinus agreeing with someone! What’s next, dogs and cats living together?! Then, per Res, I clicked on the name. LOL, again.

    • Thanks: Jenner Ickham Errican
  395. prosa123 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Icelanders protect their language, sure, but they also speak English. No reason why the Irish couldn’t do the same with Gaelic.

    • Replies: @muggles
  396. Corvinus says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “A nation cannot belong to various religious civilizations, as I said**- the major ones being Western Christianity, Eastern Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc”.

    JFC, one more time— a nation can have citizens who belong to two or more religions, and many countries are religiously diverse with multiple faiths coexisting. Many countries embrace religious pluralism, meaning they recognize and accommodate the presence of multiple religions within their borders.

    **Right, YOU said. Doesn’t mean you are right.

    “Bengalis, on the other hand, have Ramadan (for Muslims) and various Hindu holidays (for Hindus); they view history differently (for Muslims, Islamic conquest was a blessing, for Hindus- a disaster); they don’t intermarry”

    Doesn’t mean both groups are not part of a nation.

    “they massacre each other during socio-economic upheavals”

    Recently?

    “So called Bengali renaissance (Ramakrishna, Aurobindo, Tagore, Yukteshwar,..) was an entirely Hindu phenomenon.”

    No. The Bengali Renaissance was not monolithic; rather, it was a period of intellectual and cultural exchange between Hindu Bengalis and Muslim Bengalis.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  397. @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes Joe Rogan has many flaws I agree.

    Still. He would be a far better first bro than what we have got. If you sum all the debits and credits at least he has a bunch in both columns. The Boyle video is entertaining if you are not infuriated by all of the implications.

  398. @Colin Wright

    But there isn’t. You’re like some panicked sheep, galloping around the paddock. So much the worse for you.

    I believe paddocks are exclusive to horses. Sheep have pens.

  399. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    I’m using your own words against you. I suggest you regroup.

  400. res says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    AEN covered it pretty well (except & and ; before and after). More here.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/emmett-tills-victim-dies-before-she-can-by-lynched/#comment-5940512

    For a sample, here are an a and b with three spaces between then with three nbsp between (& before and ; after each nbsp). If this still does not make sense take a look at the page source.
    a b
    a   b

  401. @Corpse Tooth

    So whilst you mourn the loss of your dear departed boner that smart phone in your clammy hand has transformed you into a eunuch of the electronic collective.

    My boner has untold RAM capacity

  402. @res

    Ahhha, so it DIDN’T quite come back to me. Thanks, Res.

  403. @Jack D

    Weinreich, a linguist (and the author of the definitive Yiddish dictionary) once said that “a language is a dialect with an army and a navy.”

    The quip was by Weinreich pere(Max). The dictionary was by Weinreich fils (Uriel.)

  404. @Colin Wright

    Strangely, the reasoning is not applied to the far, far more serious case of Miriam Adelson.

    Whatever could be the distinction?

    Adelson is an American citizen

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  405. @Corvinus

    Bengali Renaissance was exclusively Hindu, in religion, science, philosophy, literature… A few Muslims produced prominent works, but without being a part of the movement.

    As for murders:

    https://stophindudvesha.org/western-medias-whitewashing-of-hindu-genocide-in-bangladesh/

    Western Media’s Whitewashing of Hindu Genocide in Bangladesh

    And no- crystallized segments of a society that collectively & permanently view the world, their people(s), history, culture…. do not share a common identity & cannot be parts of one nation.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  406. @Greta Handel

    “Asking again for your thoughts on Sailer’s Whimming that’s addressed in Open Thread 1.”

    Perhaps you have made some worthwhile comments but the only ones I remember are your constant whining about the way comments were moderated. Maybe you could give it a rest.

  407. J.Ross says:
    @Colin Wright

    She’s a citizen, but also, he’s accused of assault. Who did she assault?
    (Of course, there were those Israeli terrorists at UCLA. For that matter, there were those art students in New York. The enemy of my enemy is not guaranteed to be my friend. Adelson is a rich person influencing the politics of her country — I wish we had Iran rules [own a business, worship how you want, but law is not for you and you will hold no office], but we don’t, and rich people influencing the government is literally universal, even in communist countries the big not!Magnates tell the Minister and the Præsidium what’s what. You’re not hurting the culprits of IX/XI and AGTR-5 one iota, you’re defending hostile foreigners coming here without proper legal cover to make trouble.)

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Colin Wright
  408. Corvinus says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “Bengali Renaissance was exclusively Hindu”

    Not quite.

    https://sanskrit.org/kedarnath-datta-bhaktivinoda-the-bengal-renaissance/index.html

    “And no- crystallized segments of a society that collectively & permanently view the world, their people(s), history, culture…. do not share a common identity & cannot be parts of one nation”

    The historical record shows otherwise. Many countries embrace religious pluralism, meaning they recognize and accommodate the presence of multiple religions within their borders. The United States is a prime example of a nation with different religions who share a common identity and culture.

    I get it—you’ve dug in your heels and are not going to openly admit you’re wrong.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  409. Corvinus says:
    @J.Ross

    Donna Adelson is accused of assault, not Miriam Adelson.

  410. epebble says:
    @Hail

    Andrew Sullivan has written a critique of the first two months of Trump presidency.

    Yes, it’s been a big beautiful opener from MAGA 2.0., hasn’t it?

    In all fairness, let’s start with a real, substantive achievement. The Southern border is more secure than it has been in decades. . . .

    But the rest is chaos, malice, revenge, and failure, tinged with levels of indecency never before seen from the Oval Office.

    https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/two-perfect-months-506?triedRedirect=true

    • Thanks: Hail
  411. @Kaganovitch

    I believe paddocks are exclusive to horses. Sheep have pens.

    Quite right. I had a feeling paddock wasn’t quite right — but I wanted something Jack could run around in. A pen’s kind of small.

    Anyway, I have chased sheep around whatever. They do panic and gallop around the encircling fence, hopelessly seeking a way out…

  412. @J.Ross

    ‘You’re not hurting the culprits of IX/XI and AGTR-5 one iota, you’re defending hostile foreigners coming here without proper legal cover to make trouble.)’

    I note that it’s trouble for Israel and we focus on those and only those. Tibetan activists, Armenians, whoever — they can knock themselves out. But woe betide those who protest Israel and our support for it. I also note that we never seem to actually specify a criminal offense and file charges.

    Finally, I note the intent. Nobody is actually aggrieved that these are foreigners here on visas rather than American citizens. Israel-supporters are intent on suppressing dissent, and these are the most vulnerable targets. The current hostility towards actual illegal immigrants can be diverted and put to good use in support of another cause entirely.

    When have we gone down this road before? The deceit is manifest.

    • Replies: @epebble
  413. @Kaganovitch

    Adelson is an American citizen

    Be that way.

  414. epebble says:
    @Colin Wright

    I think some people are focusing excessively on those protesting Israel. But the deportation dragnet is wider and deeper. For example,

    These families built decades-long lives in the US. Facing deportation, they might have to leave it all behind
    https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/29/us/longtime-migrants-facing-deportations/index.html

    The motive seems to be to jack up the number of deportations for political advantage combined with ease of seizing those that are easily traceable. Catching undocumented may need more police resources and work. Seizing those about whom ICE already has the information is much easier.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
  415. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    I think we are getting deportees mixed up. The folks that were sent to El Salvador were Venezuelan, not Arabs. The Israel lobby had nothing to do with their deportation.

    I wasn’t talking about the TdA gang members. I was specifically talking about that Turkish woman who was here legally and who was arrested on the street by six ICE agents. I would be curious to know what she was studying. Perhaps it’s some useless left-wing crap and perhaps we shouldn’t extend visas to people to study such stuff here. But she had been granted a visa and had some legitimate expectation to stay here as long as she doesn’t break any laws.

    All the folks who people are saying they “just wrote an op-ed” in fact did a LOT more. They turned certain campuses into unlivable hellholes. If you are paying $70k/yr you should be able to be free to attend class and walk around the campus without being molested by terrorist supporters.

    There is no evidence that she did anything other than write an op-ed.

    The Men of Unz couldn’t give a damn about free speech.

    Yeah, a lot of us do. It’s you who don’t seem so enthusiastic about it.

    If these folks were in power in the West, the FIRST thing they would do would be to ban free speech. Free speech for us, not for you.

    And what do you think about attempts to ban “anti-semitism”? About laws that have been passed that debar people from doing business with state governments if they take part in boycotts of Israel?

    It seems that there are a lot of people about who would like to ban free speech. For us, that is, not for them.

  416. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ralph L

    They justified Gain of Function research as a way to make defenses for possible future diseases, yet they failed to do that successfully. Pretty stupid not to do that work in tandem.

    Even the premise of GoF is crazy, and a little suspicious. So you modify a pathogen in the laboratory; that doesn’t necessarily tell you what an evolved pathogen in the wild would look like. There’s no guarantee that it will change that way in the wild due to random mutations. Because they are random mutations.

    But GoF is a way of doing bio-weapons research disguised as an endevour to protect the public.

  417. @James B. Shearer

    Well (as the publisher who’s keeping open the shrine might say), I think this one’s pretty worthwhile:

    It didn’t take long after his arrival here at TUR to see that Mr. Sailer isn’t so much a dissident as a copium denmother for disaffected white guys who skew 40+ in age. In practically all other respects — and, thus, effectively in that one — he narrates or stands silent on behalf of the Establishment.

    A quick look at your archive indicates that you’re among those who followed him here to TUR, and are familiar with his work years earlier. What’s the last important thing written by Steve Sailer that those two sentences don’t explain?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  418. @Mr. Anon

    “>There is no evidence that she did anything other than write an op-ed.

    –The Men of Unz couldn’t give a damn about free speech.

    >Yeah, a lot of us do. It’s you who don’t seem so enthusiastic about it.”

    Where I come from we say, When things get confusing, slow everything down a bit and see.

    From that perspective…

    Before we say “We care about Free Speech!” (even though we do), we might do well to begin by saying, We care about clarity and honesty of discourse! We demand a sane and un-polluted and non-distorted public forum. We care, in a nutshell, about the Confucian “rectification of names”: we want things to mean what they say, and say what they mean, and to be sure about that before we even undertake to *say* anything in the first place. Which is obviously *not* the case in the present American public discourse and forum.

    For instance, if we were scrupulously honest both linguistically and analytically, we would conclude at once that a voodoo totem like “structural racism” is nonsense and does not exist. At least not in the way that its mau-maus intend; if we were to be honest we would say that “structural racism” does indeed exist — against White goyim. We would say that in terms of black interests, there are, here and there, sort of background-radiation primitive vestiges of old-fashioned boogeyman racism, but that they are rare and not-networked. Whereas anti-white “structural racism” is common, and fully networked.

    We’d say all sorts of things, now wouldn’t we.

    And one of the reasons these things aren’t being said, and can’t be said, is that a single finger controls the recording booth and the sound-mixing board and all the microphones and the mastering and pressing and sequencing and the distribution and the press reviews and the sales system and the concert system and the multimedia distribution system, for well, pretty much everything.

    And that finger is existentially determined to make sure you never realize or understand that the boogeyman “anti-Semitism” does not exist, and has never existed.

    — Why do you keep losing so much weight, dad? It’s getting weird. Has your doctor checked you for tapeworms?
    — Nah, Dr. Goldbergstein says there is absolutely no need to check for tapeworms. And I trust him; after all, my last internist, Dr. Bergsteingold, said he was the best in town.

  419. @James B. Shearer

    Well, well.

    I just looked at the other end of your archive. Your impression of my commenting history may also be malformed by ignorance — all 83 of yours this year have been posted here in the HBD Tree Fort.

    Do you read anything else at this website?

  420. @James B. Shearer

    Finally, you and I have engaged on something else at least once, about how appeals to bigotry were one of the ways insecure people were manipulated into taking the COVID crapshots. Pete Rose, RIP (Steve Sailer • September 30, 2024), starting with comment #164.

  421. dearieme says:
    @Mike Tre

    On Cromwell you entirely miss the point. Of course he was English born and so was his famous ancestor. My point was that in that ancestor’s time his family was said to be of Irish origin. Similarly Elizabeth I’s great minister, Cecil, was English born to a family of Welsh origin. It’s the sort of thing that happens in a small archipelago.

    Are you are simply a bloody fool, or dishonest? Or both?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  422. dearieme says:
    @emil nikola richard

    Fascists order people around and there are material consequences if you don’t submit.

    That’s pretty much the guy described in the Old Testament. Annihilate the Amalekites!

    Of course I use “fascist” in the vague sense of violent totalitarian who does not self-describe as communist. I don’t suggest that God has strong views on the subjection of corporations to the state.

    (Though, come to think of it, Biden and many of the tech bros did have strong views on the subjection of corporations to the state during the Covid fiasco, didn’t they?)

  423. dearieme says:
    @Ralph L

    We hold these truths to be self-evident simply means ‘we can’t think of a logical justification of these truths that is political acceptable to us’.

  424. MEH 0910 says:
    @Corvinus

    Useful idiot, like Pence.

    Vance is sharp and can think on his feet.

    Not pretending, shape shifting.

    I think at some point JD Vance got red-pilled online and changed his mind about things.

    https://thedailyscroll.substack.com/p/june-16-who-is-jd-vance

    And Vance, as a right-wing Silicon Valley millennial, has been known to read and consort with “New Right” figures like Curtis Yarvin, aka Mencius Moldbug, the “red-pill prince” profiled by Jacob Siegel in Tablet in 2022.

    Indeed, the list of right-wing influencers that Vance follows on X—including figures such as Steve Sailer, FischerKing, Second City Bureaucrat, and Bronze Age Pervert—has provoked considerable consternation on the left that Vance is a “Nazi” or “white nationalist.”

  425. Mike Tre says:
    @dearieme

    “On Cromwell you entirely miss the point.”

    LOL yeah, the point being “Look! Squirrel!” Didn’t work.

    “Are you are simply a bloody fool, or dishonest? Or both? ”

    This is projection worthy of a chapter in the Old Testament.

    The English subjugated (and worse) the Irish for centuries. All your foot stamping, deflection, and (indeed) dishonesty doesn’t change any of that, mate.

    • Replies: @Kaganovitch
  426. Old Prude says:
    @Hail

    Trump is not going to invade Greenland. Anyone who thinks he will is an idiot. That would include, it appears, all the dopes running Europe into the ground.

  427. Old Prude says:
    @epebble

    People leave the lands their families have lived in for hundreds of years to squat in America. Why is it wrong to send them back to their homelands, even if “they have made a life here”?

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Colin Wright
  428. Old Prude says:
    @epebble

    “Levels of indecency never before seen”

    Worse than Clinton’s antics, or Biden soiling himself? Sullivan has a rather elastic idea of indecency, which isn’t a surprise coming from a degenerate.

    • Agree: Mark G., R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  429. @Corvinus

    The historical record shows otherwise. Many countries embrace religious pluralism, meaning they recognize and accommodate the presence of multiple religions within their borders. The United States is a prime example of a nation with different religions who share a common identity and culture.

    Just for the record, intended for those with rational capabilities: nation is a common destiny, not some list of proclamations.

    It is evident that “Americans” meant from the beginning to the end of the 19th C only English speaking whites belonging to Western culture.

    Blacks were not Americans, but an American racial-national minority; Indians were also a minority consisting of a number of tribes.

    So, that real nation was only white; only English speaking; and only belonging to the Western cultural code, that means Western Christians plus a smattering of assimilated Jews (not traditional Jews).

    From the 1950s to the present, American nation in many elements- dissolved. Maybe some American progressives think that an Abdul or Ping Chong are “Americans”, I won’t go into the issue. But, for us outsiders- this is laughable. These populations have not the potential to assimilate into the historical American nation- including Obama, never mind where he was born.

    For any common sense person, it is like seriously considering that a Nigerian can proudly assert his Englishness or a Tunisian his Frenchness.

    Beyond absurd.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  430. Corvinus says:
    @MEH 0910

    “Vance is sharp and can think on his feet.”

    That still doesn’t mean that he isn’t a useful idiot for Trump.

    “I think at some point JD Vance got red-pilled online and changed his mind about things.”

    Right, he shape-shifted. He joined the team of a man he called “America’s Hitler”, “morally reprehensible” and a “demagogue”.

    “Curtis Yarvin”

    He says democratic governments are inefficient and wasteful and should be replaced with sovereign joint-stock corporations whose “shareholders” (large owners) elect an executive with total power, but who must serve at their pleasure.

    No thanks.

  431. Corvinus says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “It is evident that “Americans” meant from the beginning to the end of the 19th C only English speaking whites belonging to Western culture.”

    Yes, American Constitution initially afforded citizenship and rights to white men of different European ethnicities, but by way of our posterity, extended citizenship and rights to non-Europeans and women by way of legislation and by constitutional amendment.

    “So, that real nation was only white”

    It was a nation that was real and consisted of different peoples who had granted citizenship rights to white men.

    You are employing a false premise and continuing to use the No True Scotsman Fallacy. You do not get to unilaterally create a definition and proceed to tell everyone YOUR definition is THE standard.

    It’s getting to the point that you claim to possess THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH on this matter, and no one ought to question it. That is irrational on your part.

    “From the 1950s to the present, American nation in many elements- dissolved.”

    According to who?

    “Maybe some American progressives think that an Abdul or Ping Chong are “Americans”, I won’t go into the issue.”

    They are.

    “But, for us outsiders- this is laughable.”

    Again, do you speak squarely for the Bengalese people? For Poles? For the Irish? For Americans?What if they come out collectively and say you are dead wrong? Would you tell them YOU know better? How?

    “These populations have not the potential to assimilate into the historical American nation- including Obama, never mind where he was born.”

    In your opinion.

    For any common sense person, it is like seriously considering that a Nigerian can proudly assert his Englishness or a Tunisian his Frenchness.

    Beyond absurd.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  432. @dearieme

    We hold these truths to be self-evident simply means ‘we can’t think of a logical justification of these truths that is political acceptable to us’.

    It’s a sort of subtle clever dare—if any opponents disagreed with any the following claims, they’d have to come up with a convincing rhetorical rebuttal, which could be tricky in the Age of Enlightenment.

  433. Corvinus says:
    @Corvinus

    “For any common sense person, it is like seriously considering that a Nigerian can proudly assert his Englishness or a Tunisian his Frenchness.”

    Yet, they can.

  434. Back to Steve Sailer, how much Linux does he know, and when did he learn it?

    Hacker Hits NYU Website, Posts Alleged Test Scores, GPAs Based On Race (Originally on The College Fix, but ZeroHedge is bound to have great comments.)

    Mr. Hail, I haven’t been checking SteveSailer.net so much since reading that vax BS of his, so has Mr. Sailer written about this story? If not… hmmmm…

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @res
    , @Ralph L
  435. @Jack D

    A friend of mine visited Dealey Plaza and went inside the Texas School Depository. He said Oswald was right on top of JFK as he came by. It was an easy shot.

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Replies: @Jack D
  436. Pericles says:

    LOL, now that the Saileran lid is off there certainly seem to be a lot of scores being settled.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  437. Mark G. says:
    @Greta Handel

    Before 2022 Steve had diverged from the establishment by advocating the “Sailer Strategy” saying the Republican party could win elections by appealing to average middle and working class Whites by opposing the “coalition of the fringes” made up of various non-White minorities and White elites like Hillary Clinton who advocated “invade the world, invite the world” policies that did not really benefit average American Whites.

    The change came in 2022. Steve had opposed the Iraq war but seemed to come out in favor of the United States engaging in a proxy war against Russia in the Ukraine. We have also become involved in a proxy war against the Palestinians using the Israelis and Steve appears to be in favor of this too.

  438. @MEH 0910

    I think at some point JD Vance got red-pilled online and changed his mind about things.

    Good grief – how gullible can you get? He’s tacking, like his supposed boss has been since 2015.

    Maybe you should stick to fetching spam for the Diffident Right after all.

  439. Corvinus says:
    @epebble

    News Channel 3 (local CBS affiliate in Detroit): “CBS News Detroit’s Jack Springgate spoke with two cancer survivors who attended the rally. ‘They’re cutting children’s cancer research and the NIH and also interfering with grant funding rules for medical research,’ said rally attendee Elliot Stephens. ‘I have a daughter with cancer, and that for me is unforgivable.’ Stephens and his brother are also cancer survivors. They say potential health care cuts could have fatal consequences. ‘If they cut Medicaid, that’s going to hurt a lot of people,’ Elliot Stephens said. ‘Senior citizens, disabled people, single moms, children who rely on Medicaid, it’s going to hurt them. People are going to die from that.’”

    Oh, well. Too bad for then. According to Elon, if they die, they die.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Old Prude
    , @Brutusale
  440. epebble says:
    @Old Prude

    When long term residents and green card holders are deported, it makes it newsworthy. Especially, the deportation of green carders who have opposed Gaza war is upsetting many First amendment purists.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/24/us/colombia-immigrants-deported/index.html

  441. Jack D says:
    @David In TN

    Yes, correct. The car was coming around a 90 degree corner on the street grid at parade speed. Oswald was in a 6th floor window and the car was on the city street directly below and in front of him. It was literally like shooting fish in a barrel. Once Kennedy was shot, the car sped up and made for the highway (the on-ramp was right there) but at the time of the shooting it was just crawling along.

  442. Corvinus says:
    @Mark G.

    “The change came in 2022. Steve had opposed the Iraq war but seemed to come out in favor of the United States engaging in a proxy war against Russia in the Ukraine.”

    He is opposed to dictatorships. Foreign, at least.

    “We have also become involved in a proxy war against the Palestinians using the Israelis and Steve appears to be in favor of this too.”

    No, he is not. That is all Trump and Vance. But whites who voted for them knew this Jewish alliance and essentially went against their own interests.

    Isn’t it time for you to heed Elon’s call to retire from the Swamp?

  443. epebble says:
    @Corvinus

    Sad as that may be, when money starts drying out, something has to be cut. Whether they are cutting the right things is debatable, but this is bankruptcy time for the government and many an egg will be broken and many an ox will be gored. You can bet that bad moon is rising for the economy.

  444. @Old Prude

    People leave the lands their families have lived in for hundreds of years to squat in America. Why is it wrong to send them back to their homelands, even if “they have made a life here”?

    Well, it is wrong. But it’s also wrong to feel obliged to let them stay.

    The original sin was allowing them to enter illegally, of course. But that’s water under the bridge.

    Now we have to choose which of the two alternative sins the first one necessitates we wish to commit. I go with expelling them. They knew what they were doing when they came; the risk that they would be sent back was always implicit in their choice.

    I have a piece of land down on the river. Right now, I’m at the point where I have to decide whether to build legally, or build illegally. Each has its attractions — but one consideration when it comes to building illegally is that in theory, I might be forced to tear it all down someday.

    My choice.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
  445. @Corvinus

    ‘“We have also become involved in a proxy war against the Palestinians using the Israelis and Steve appears to be in favor of this too.”

    No, he is not. That is all Trump and Vance…’

    If only. Should I quote Pelosi, Biden, Harris, Schumer, Fetterman, Schiff…?

  446. Old Prude says:
    @Corvinus

    Corvina, cuts in legitimate Medicare and social security payments will occur right after the invasion of Greenland.

    None of the cancer protesters are going to die because of Trump, and they know it. They just hate the Orange Man. Using their own sick kid to hate on Trump is typical of these hatey haters.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Disagree: Corvinus
  447. Old Prude says:
    @Colin Wright

    I see nothing wrong in sending folks back to their native lands. When Mama and Papa decide to uproot Miguel from THE ONLY LAND HE’S EVER KNOWN! and bust the U.S border, then I have no issue sending a “Dreamer” back to Guatemala even if the USA is “the only land he’s ever known”.

    That didn’t bother Mama and Papa when ripping off the gringo suckers was on the line.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  448. Corvinus says:
    @MEH 0910

    About Bronze Age Pervert…

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-conservatives-must-reject-the-bronze-age-mindset-and-offer-something-better/

    —Even granting the highest possible charity to Alamariu’s nihilism, however, it could only ever critique. It cannot build. Apart from his worldview’s aforementioned defects, Alamariu advises his followers to reject the “Phariseeism” of virtue and to consider descending into “a floating world of complete vice.” He also downplays the importance of starting a family, doubting that such an act would “ever be enough” to meaningfully address our contemporary moral decay. To dismiss not just Christianity and the American Founding but also morality and family life is not to save our country, but to renounce our best chances for rehabilitating it, thereby ensuring its doom.—

    Yes, real sharp of Vance to be inspired by BAP. I’m sure BAP is required reading for your sons, right?

    • LOL: MEH 0910
  449. Mark G. says:
    @epebble

    “this is bankruptcy time for the government”

    Yes, we have a thirty six trillion dollar national debt and are adding another two trillion dollars every year now. Because of our dysgenic immigration and welfare policies of the last sixty years, we are headed towards this being a a country where a majority of the population are low IQ non-Whites who will not be as productive as or who pay as much in taxes as previous generations of Americans. Already, Whites are a minority of Americans under the age of sixteen. Once all the mostly White Boomers have passed away, Whites will be in the minority.

    There has been a lot of squawking from the left so far about the spending cuts made by Elon Musk and DOGE. Those cuts, though, only amount to around a hundred billion dollars, which is nothing as compared to the involuntary cuts the government will have to make later.

  450. Hail says: • Website

    Steve Sailer on literary critics/theorists who fan the flames of such theories as “The Great Gatsby was Black or Jewish”:

    Was the Great Gatsby black?

    Or was he Jewish?

    by Steve Sailer
    March 30, 2025

    In the New York Times, former film critic A.O. Scott concludes his article on the 100th anniversary of F. Scott Fitzgerald’s The Great Gatsby:

    Which raises the question of who he has been all along. The theory that Gatsby was “a Black man in whiteface” (to cite the subtitle title of a 2017 book) has been in circulation for some time, linking academic scholarship and internet fan theorizing. Gatsby’s outsider status is suggestive, as is the fact that his nemesis, Tom Buchanan, is an outspoken racist, obsessed with miscegenation and in thrall to the racial pseudoscience of the day.

    In a brilliant 2023 essay in The Atlantic, Alonzo Vereen describes teaching “Gatsby” to high school students in a way that highlights the indeterminate, “unraced” aspects of the character’s identity. “Gatsby’s American identity is so ambiguous,” Vereen writes, “that the students could layer on top of it any ethnic or racial identity they brought to the novel. When they did, the text was freshly lit.”

    The light at the end of the dock is an entire constellation.

    So, was Gatsby black?

    Or was he Jewish?

    Or was he gay?

    [Paywall.]

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/was-the-great-gatsby-black

    My comment: We say, and feel, that Wokeness has suffered serious defeats in the open field, these past few years. The “vibe-shift” as it was called in Winter 2024-25.

    What, then, is to be done when some 2010s-type theories pop back up, in this giant whack-a-mole game of cultural commentary?

    Is the purpose of the theories and framing to smooth the path of de-Westernization and post-Westernization? Should a respectable White man, like Steve Sailer, take pains to bash down somebody who says, “In my literary opinion, the Great Gatsby was half-Jewish, half-Black, and possibly Transgendered”?

  451. @Corvinus

    lol. Now now Corvy, would your rabbi like you saying that, no matter how much Mr. Soros pays you?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  452. @epebble

    Andrew Sullivan.

    What a fag.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  453. @Old Prude

    Hysterical sissy is hysterical sissy, film at 11.

    Sullivan hyperventialated on Bill Maher about the deportations of Venezuelan gang members, breaking down in tears. Probably because his rent boys were trafficked by the gang.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  454. @Jack D

    I think it’s pretty obvious that Oswald took his rifle to work that day, and that he fired it out the window, hitting Kennedy in the back, possibly in the head, and hitting Governor Connally.

    I also think he shot Officer Tippet, and that he tried to shoot at the police who arrested him in the theater.

    But that is not my point. You used it, in a simpleminded way, to pretend that it all means Oswald acted alone.

    Did you know, BTW, that a year or so ago a Secret Service agent finally came out and told the world that he found the “magic bullet” on the rear deck of the limousine? That kind of blows away the single bullet theory.

    You also focused in on just the one “bullet” point of mine (LOL) about that one assassination to discredit everything I listed.

    That’s typical of you.

    I even thought to myself, when writing my original comment, that I need not include Steve’s mentions of the two Kennedy assassinations, because those are probably the weakest and most debatable items on my list. I opened a door to a slimy lawyer like you to stick his big, fat nose into.

    My point stands: Sailer is a conventional thinker who supports the powers that be and inserts mainstream assumptions into his writing.

    • Replies: @muggles
  455. @Old Prude

    I see nothing wrong in sending folks back to their native lands. When Mama and Papa decide to uproot Miguel from THE ONLY LAND HE’S EVER KNOWN! and bust the U.S border, then I have no issue sending a “Dreamer” back to Guatemala even if the USA is “the only land he’s ever known”.

    We don’t actually disagree about what should be done in the end. I’m merely pointing out that it’s not a black/white issue, with all the moral arguments on one side.

  456. @Mark G.

    But the “Sailer Strategy” – just go back and read what you wrote – is explained by the first of my two sentences, isn’t it?

  457. @R.G. Camara

    No, no thanks required. That’s what I’m here for.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  458. @Hail

    We say, and feel, that Wokeness has suffered serious defeats in the open field, these past few years. The “vibe-shift” as it was called in Winter 2024-25.

    It’s been the near culmination of the Long March through the Institutions that has allowed the wide spread of Wokeness. However, there’s a top down element too, IMO.

    Mr. Sailer seems under the impression that the whole thing was a fad. I disagree. There had been some pushback beforehand, but the real shift has been the election of Donald Trump. Were the Kameltoe, basically her Globalist/Commie/ctrl-left handlers, in charge now, Wokeness would only be going into higher gear.

    Were people to fight back in their small ways under a “Harris” administration, there’d be nobody to watch their backs. Communist cadres would enforce the Wokeness like we haven’t seen yet.

    • Replies: @Sam Hildebrand
  459. epebble says:
    @Corvinus

    Trump, the consummate troll, seems to be targeting this at the easily excited:

    Trump won’t rule out seeking a third term in the White House, tells NBC News ‘there are methods’ for doing so
    President Donald Trump said in a Sunday-morning phone call that he was “not joking” about a third term, adding that “it is far too early to think about it.”
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-third-term-white-house-methods-rcna198752

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  460. @epebble

    I hit the [AGREE] based on your general idea of what’s coming, but I don’t think actual NOMINAL cuts will be necessary. Inflation will continue, as Trump (don’t really blame him) keeps pushing the FED to keep rates down. At some point, when the interest payments to bondholders are well over half the Feral revenue, the world will see the $ is just that green paper, and inflation will take off.

    So, yeah, you’ll get your $2,750 SS payments as we promised, people. I know, Big Mac meal are $119.99 and rent for a 2 bedroom house in the ghetto is $4,500, but, listen, we’re paying out what we promised. Mad, bro?

    Down in Montevideo a while back Peak Stupidity asked “¿Esta la mierda golpea el ventilador?” (You may have to pay extra for more Thousand Island dressing special sauce and extra upside-down question marks.)

    [MORE]
    Luckily, the $ is not down equal to the Uruguayan Peso yet. They use the same symbology for some reason.

    • Replies: @epebble
  461. muggles says:
    @mel belli

    According to Chat GPT, that was a quote by John Wayne!

    That reminded me of another John Wayne quote:

    “Life is hard, it’s even harder when you’re stupid.”

    However, Snopes and other Internet chatter says there is no proof he ever said that.

    Well, he should have said it. It’s true and demonstrated daily.

    When I read it, I can hear Wayne’s voice saying it…

  462. muggles says:
    @prosa123

    The Icelanders protect their language, sure, but they also speak English. No reason why the Irish couldn’t do the same with Gaelic.

    They already do. Have a Gaelic radio and TV broadcast. Many local signs are in Gaelic.

    That was 50 years ago, probably more now.

    But whether languages can be “protected” by such things is another matter. How does this benefit anyone, forcing an ancient language to be used.

    Does anyone miss conversational Hittite?

  463. res says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks. Any idea of where the data or a more detailed analysis is available?

    I liked this at your link.

    While NYU spokesperson’s John Beckman confirmed the hack, he did not say whether the data was correct to Washington Square News or the Post.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @res
  464. muggles says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    My point stands: Sailer is a conventional thinker who supports the powers that be and inserts mainstream assumptions into his writing.

    This is a rather odd assertion about our now departed iSteve.

    How “conventional” is “noticing” things which are rarely if ever seen in Respectable Media?

    How does he, any more than you or I, “support the powers that be’?

    Should we be vandalizing Teslaas now? Rioting w/ BLM and antifa? Voting for Kamala?

    How does he “insert mainstream assumptions into his writing” any more than anyone else?

    He isn’t pro Hitler or Stalin either. People who try to follow your Style Guide here are mostly in nuthouses or posting rants elsewhere. Nor is Sailer required to be a Rebel With All the Causes.

    Steve does have an eye for the unusual, but with literally thousands of posts and articles on Unz and elsewhere, how “different” must he be to satisfy your tastes?

    Your own stuff here hasn’t been particularly earth shattering either. Most of what we observe is pretty much what it seems to be.

    If I had a buck for every bad “prediction” here, I’d be in a much higher tax bracket. But that’s just my sour “mainstream” assumption back in my harness.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  465. Corvinus says:
    @R.G. Camara

    How much does Putin pay you?

  466. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mark G.

    We have also become involved in a proxy war against the Palestinians using the Israelis and Steve appears to be in favor of this too.

    With respect, that is a misreading of the situation. We are not using the Israelis. We are being used by them.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
  467. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mike Tre

    The bigger problem was the universal, instantaneous and hysterical dogmatic belief in the threat. It was almost quite literally a religious epiphany for 100’s of millions of people, with masks replacing rosaries and the jab replacing the Eucharist. Did you ever try not wearing a mask in public at that time? I did, and I was treated exactly as a heretic would be. The fear mongering made people insane.

    Quite right.

    Sailer was swept up in this, because he, HE!, had cancer once! Can you not see the narcissism in that way of thinking? I was sick! I want to play golf! So YOUR kids need to be locked in their homes for a year.

    The arrogant selfishness of boomers during COVID was truly stunning. The left side of that generation used to be anti-establishment during the Nixon and then later the Reagan administrations (or at least imagined themselves to be so). They turned into the most God-awful authoritarians, seemingly overnight, as soon as they were told their hides were on the line. A lot of Millennials and Gen-Z’s went along with it too. Yet I wonder if they won’t someday come to deeply resent their parent’s and grandparent’s generation for putting them through all that.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  468. @Achmed E. Newman

    but the real shift has been the election of Donald Trump. Were the Kameltoe, basically her Globalist/Commie/ctrl-left handlers, in charge now, Wokeness would only be going into higher gear.

    Wokeness went into hyperdrive during Trump’s first term. The left control the press, academia and the govt bureaucracies and they used that control to punish the deplorables. When the left is in power, wokeness just makes a steady advance. When threatened, the left goes full throttle. Look what Colorado is up to:

    https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/colorado-gun-control-bill-semi-autos/

    I hope I’m wrong, and wokeness is beaten back the next four years. But fully expect another lynching of a good boy Floyd, completely handcuffing Trump’s agenda.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  469. Mike Tre says:
    @Hail

    Back in his review of Gladiator II, Sailer mentioned in the comments that he had no problem with negroes reprising the roles of European historical figures in stage and film as long as he was, ahem, not not entertained.

    So his objection these repeated attempts to rewrite history come off as half hearted. As long as it’s a good movie, who gives a shit – that is Sailer’s position.

  470. HA says:
    @Mark G.

    “But the Russians kicked the Ukrainians out of the Kursk region”

    You mean in 3 days like the Union Army did? No? All right, then.

    And given all the interest you’ve shown in Pokrovsk, I’d say diverting Russian troops away from it worked out far better than you were hoping.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  471. @Achmed E. Newman

    lol. But I give you thanks anyway.

  472. @muggles

    I think Steve’s mindset has always been that he deliberately wouldn’t “notice” anything beyond a few pet bugaboos that he could easily and ruthlessly defend with statistics. This would separate him from other people, who notice one thing and then start noticing a whole bunch of things in other areas, rendering them vulnerable to the “conspiracy theorist” label. Thus, Steve could seem more believable to a lot more people.

    Can’t say he’s wrong to have that mindset. Steve was cancelled two decades ago and yet just had a hit book and is thriving at his new blog and is the most influential deep thinker of the Dissident Right (and all the Right, if we’re honest).

    All this from a guy who regularly posts about the intricacies of golf course architecture. Wild!

    • Replies: @Pericles
  473. epebble says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That trick with SS payments won’t work since it is indexed to inflation (Cost-of-Living Adjustment (COLA)). I don’t think there will be anything dramatic in this decade. It will be a replay of the 1970s. Ford & Carter administrations have been resurrected. The ‘new’ buzzword for those younger than 40 is ‘Stagflation’. Like Bell Bottom pants and long hair.

    Stagflation Warning Signs Emerge In The U.S. Economy
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/garthfriesen/2025/03/29/stagflation-warning-signs-emerge-in-the-us-economy/

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  474. @Mike Tre

    The English subjugated (and worse) the Irish for centuries.

    Yeah, but what are you gonna do? It’s the kind of thing that happens on small archipelagos.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  475. @Mr. Anon

    The arrogant selfishness of boomers during COVID was truly stunning. The left side of that generation used to be anti-establishment during the Nixon and then later the Reagan administrations (or at least imagined themselves to be so). They turned into the most God-awful authoritarians, seemingly overnight, as soon as they were told their hides were on the line

    Its nothing new. Rewind almost 60 years – the protests against the Vietnam War didn’t start until college kids became eligible for the draft. Before that, there no concern, just let the party continue. Oh wait, I might have to sacrifice? The injustice!

    Then they couched it in all sorts of moral mumbo-jumbo about how they were against the war, when in reality they were against possibly having to grow up.

    Its not really all boomers though – I hold my scorn for those born 1946 to say, 1955, and that attended college. A lot of the working class ones volunteered for Vietnam, while those born in the late 50’s and early 60’s didn’t even know about Vietnam. I have a sibling born in 1962 (technically a boomer), and Vietnam was over before he was out of elementary school.

    Please note I don’t really care about someone not wanting to serve in Vietnam, I object to the BS that those protests were ever about anything other than themselves.

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
  476. @Achmed E. Newman

    dunno why but Sobran’s observation sprang to mind: We’ve gone from teaching latin and Greek in high school to teaching remedial English in College

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  477. @epebble

    The COLA data comes from the BLS, and inflation numbers out of them are garbage. 1 to 2% numbers have been reported (for the most part) over the past couple of decades when the real inflation rate has been 4-5%. Over time, the difference is HUGE.

    Were they to put out accurate numbers, counting shrinkflation, quality “fade” from Cheap China-made Crap, and the definition of any current “basket of goods (and services)” being subject to lots of hanky-panky, you’d see higher numbers.

    I’ve got loads of material on this here. There are many apples-to-apples comparisons of over 2 and up to even 4 decade apart differences. Some might call it cherry picking, but no, I didn’t do cherries, because I can’t remember the price of them from an earlier era.

    Roofing shingles (using non-architectural for apples-to-apples) were $6.60 a bundle of 20 in the mid-1990s – I did 2 small roofs. Even a decade ago, those ones were $24, and now they are in the mid-$30s. I take compounding into effect, so that’s an average annual rate of 7% – see On Inflation, Oil, and Roofing Shingles.

    Utility bills (same location – per kWhr and per cubic ft, etc.), lumber, auto parts, home and car insurance (same good driver, for a stretch anyway), stuff you need, you name it. I don’t want to even get into healthcare. You’re gonna see numbers like 4-5% average over the decades, which is a couple of points – over the many years, what the BLS comes up with. Since I’m gonna write about the evils (NOT!) of deflation on my blog soon, I’ll do more calculating on this, ePebble.

    That said, the BLS HAS to do this. Otherwise the Feral budget would be even worse – with a big chunk of it being payments are subject to COLA.

  478. @Sam Hildebrand

    Wokeness went into hyperdrive during Trump’s first term.

    Right. Sam. It’s not D vs. R, but whether someone will do something about it. Trump-45 didn’t have his act in gear. Whatever else I’ve got against his actions this time, Trump-47 is using whatever power he has (or doesn’t!) to kill this D.I.E. stuff where he can. Credit should be given where it’s due.

    Yes, unless Trump’s people spend this whole 4 years, and someone else (Vance?) another bunch, cleaning house, the people will be in place to revive it all.

    (Steve Sailer is loath to give Trump credit, simply because he doesn’t like his kind.)

    • Agree: Sam Hildebrand
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  479. Mike Tre says:
    @Kaganovitch

    You’re right. This all started when Mr. Loyalty Etc invoked the Irish (talk about low hanging fruit) of all groups as not being appropriately white enough or supporting whites enough, to which I merely tried to offer a little bit more context. It was then a couple other commenters decided they were going to start rewriting history about generous English philanthropy efforts over the centuries and how those dumb micks were just too stupid to offer any gratitude!

    I don’t go around stewing about it, because it is in the past and right now more than ever European descended people need to stand together. I’m also perfectly willing to accept that the Irish aren’t at the vanguard of European achievement and innovation, but I do get annoyed when people try to shovel shit into my cup and call it corned beef and cabbage.

  480. @Bill Jones

    Did you read the this Roger Devlin article, Mr. Price? If not, it’s very coincidental that this came to mind just now.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  481. I thought without Steve, we would at least lose Corvinus and Jack D too, but I see they are still posting.

    Oh well. I can still look forward to Ron Unz’s next article–American Pravda: Who’s Buried in Grant’s Tomb?

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  482. @Hail

    Should a respectable White man, like Steve Sailer, take pains to bash down somebody who says, “In my literary opinion, the Great Gatsby was half-Jewish, half-Black, and possibly Transgendered”?

    Of course he should. That idpol cultural/political criticism is/was one of Steve’s best purposes outside of HBD stuff.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  483. Mr. Anon says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, unless Trump’s people spend this whole 4 years, and someone else (Vance?) another bunch, cleaning house, the people will be in place to revive it all.

    Removing their sinecures will help – actually firing the professors, university administrators, consultants, corporate trainers, and professional activists who push this stuff. They’re only able to infuse this stuff into the culture because it’s their full-time job. That seems to be happening, at least to some extent. Shutting off the government money that subsidizes it, as DOGE is doing or trying to do, is a good start.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  484. @res

    Well, you know how I unfortunately feel about all this, Res – kinda’ jaded is all… but I went to this NY Post article linked to somewhere on that ZH article. It has the screenshot of the guy’s bar graph from the NYU website and more info. Hopefully you can get farther from there.

    BTW, this same culprit was said to have hacked 7 million SS #s from Minnesota in the past, so worst case, he can bug-out to India and make a nice comfortable career there.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  485. Corvinus says:
    @epebble

    “Sad as that may be, when money starts drying out, something has to be cut”

    Not (white) children’s cancer research. That’s not even debatable.

    “Trump, the consummate troll, seems to be targeting this at the easily excited:”

    He’s not trolling. He’s dead serious. Raptors testing fences.

    • Disagree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Mark G.
    , @Old Prude
  486. MEH 0910 says:
    @res

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/emmett-tills-victim-dies-before-she-can-by-lynched/#comment-5940512

    Res, I left you a new reply to your old comment on that closed comment section.

    • Replies: @res
  487. @Mr. Anon

    It’s not all just DOGE, Mr. Anon. When you receive Federal money – none of it which is Constitutional, but leaving that aside – you’ve got to play by the man’s rules. Trump is apparently that man now, so check out the BIG NUMBERS in this story on the U. of Michigan – University Of Michigan Guts DEI Programs.

    The University of Michigan said it will eliminate all diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) efforts following the Trump administration’s warning that colleges with discriminative policies could lose federal funding.

    That’s the way you do it. We’re talking 241 employees – that could be the whole teaching staff at a medium sized university. $30.7 million yearly went to those 241, averaging $127,000 each… for nuthin’. “Maybe get a blister on your little finger… maybe get a blister on your thumb.”

    Now, you gotta wonder how much the whole Federal Funding is, that the U. is trying to cover the ass for. Do the government-supplied student loans get included in that? I think not. That’s a whole nother deal.

  488. Brutusale says:
    @Corvinus

    Only Cyprus does a better job against cancer.

    https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/cancer-survival-rates-by-country/

    I know it taxes your already strained intellect, but does any of the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted on things like trans awareness in Peru impact the ability of the government to cure childhood cancer?

    What’s important to the Left?

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
  489. epebble says:
    @Corvinus

    Children’s cancer tugs at everyone’s heartstrings. But,

    How common is cancer in children and adolescents?

    Although cancer in children and adolescents is rare, it is the leading cause of death by disease after infancy among children in the United States. It is estimated that, in 2024, a total of 14,910 children and adolescents ages 0 to 19 will be diagnosed with cancer and 1,590 will die of the disease in the United States. Among children (ages 0 to 14 years), it is estimated that 9,620 will be diagnosed with cancer and 1040 will die of the disease. And among adolescents (ages 15 to 19 years), it is estimated that 5,290 will be diagnosed with cancer and 550 will die of the disease.

    In the United States, the most common types of cancer diagnosed in 2016–2020 among children and adolescents were leukemias, malignant brain and other central nervous system (CNS) tumors, lymphomas, epithelial neoplasms and melanomas, soft tissue tumors, malignant germ cell tumors, and bone tumors.

    In comparison, leading causes of death for all Americans is:

    Heart disease: 702,880
    Cancer: 608,371

    Any rational public policy will not invest an additional dollar towards childhood cancer compared to general heart disease and cancer research.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  490. Mark G. says:
    @HA

    “diverting Russian troops”

    The Ukrainians had to divert their troops away from the same eastern front so they could engage in the publicity stunt of invading Russia. The Russians then picked them off one at a time in their exposed position until the few remaining Ukrainians left fled for the border, leaving large amounts of equipment behind. Just the same sort of display of poor judgement as when the Confederates invaded the North and headed in the direction of Gettysburg.

    It’s fun watching HA turning into Baghdad Bob when it comes to how well the Ukrainians are doing in their war. I look forward to more of it.

    • Replies: @HA
  491. The 2A movement can learn much from mall cops.

    Trump issues an executive order ordering the expediting of CCWs in Washington, DC.

    Can Trump really save you from your state’s terrible unconstitional gun laws?

    William Kirk discusses the story breaking that efforts are underway to merge ATF with the DEA. A memo is already being circulated inside DOJ and specific Department heads are being asked for their input.

  492. Mark G. says:
    @Corvinus

    Since 1990, cancer has been on the rise among people under the age of fifty despite large amounts spent on cancer research. A likely culprit here is the increasing amounts of linoleic acid, found in many seed oils, being consumed in the modern American diet. Another factor is increased levels of obesity, since there is a link between obesity and cancer.

    We often spend large amounts on cancer research, which then leads to very expensive drugs of limited effectiveness, rather than finding less expensive ways of reducing cancers such as improving American diets. One of the big proponents of improving American diets in recent years is RFK Jr. and Trump just picked him to head the Dept. of HHS.

    Over the last 65 years, medical spending has gone from six percent of GDP to almost triple that. In 1960 the United States was among the top twelve countries in the world in average life expectancy. Now we have fallen out of the top thirty. Our current medical system does not work very well for the amount of money we spend on it. Our two trillion dollar yearly federal deficits are leading to an era when this current level of medical spending will become impossible so in the future we will need to focus more on low cost interventions to reduce cancer and other disease rates.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  493. HA says:
    @Mark G.

    “The Ukrainians had to divert their troops away from the same eastern front so they could engage in the publicity stunt of invading Russia.”

    If it were just a publicity stunt, how did they manage to divert thousands of Russian and NK troops? Are the Russians that gullible?

    “The Russians then picked them off one at a time…”

    A very, very, very long time, from the looks of it, even if what you say is true (which based on past experience is highly unlikely). We’re talking months and months. How long did it take for Gettysburg to be settled again? And Baghdad Bob was minister of information from the 20th of March to the 8th of April of 2003.

    So let’s recap: for THREE YEARS you and your ilk been predicting the Ukrainians are completely done. What will the Russians be using to make up for their increasingly sparse tank supply in the next deployment? Burros? Now there’s a shout out to the Civil War, though again, Gettysburg was over in 3 days (and Baghdad Bob was over in 3 weeks)..

    I think your comparison game is weak.

    “I look forward to more of it.”

    More of it? So you mean the Ukrainians are NOT two weeks away from utter annihilation? Another fanboy pronouncement bites the dust.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  494. Ralph L says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sailer hasn’t posted anything that I’ve seen, but many others have on X.
    i/o
    @rational_wiki
    Mar 24
    REJECTED Asian applicants outperform ACCEPTED black applicants by about 100 SAT points at NYU. (bar graph of 4 races’ mean and rejected SAT scores.)

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman, res
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  495. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    If anything, European leaders understand that Trump is a fool with his brand of Neo Con expansion, and that the GOP—most notably McConnell and Graham—enabling him to peddle this nonsense without any meaningful rebuke proves they are cucks.

    Can it with the alt-right lingo, you posturing fool. Yeah, you can speakee the pidgen you learned from trolling websites like this one. But you don’t understand any of the meaning behind the words.

    Nobody here knows where you stand on anything, because you stand for nothing. That is, you stand for nothing except being a yammering, petulant little a**hole.

    F**k off already, you contemptible dips**t.

  496. Mr. Anon says:
    @HA

    So let’s recap: for THREE YEARS you and your ilk been predicting the Ukrainians are completely done.

    They’re done the moment the weapons spigot from the West shuts off. I want to the US to shut off it’s stream now. If the Eurofags who run the other NATO countries (run them into the ground that is) want to keep cranking the meat grinder handle, that’s their business, but they’re going to run out of hardware too. In that case, the US should withdraw from NATO. We should withdraw anyway.

    Eventually, it will be up to blowhard armchair warrior s**theads like you to defend Ukraine. What are you waiting for, coward? Arm yourself and get in the fight already, a**hole.

    • Agree: Mark G., Old Prude
    • Replies: @HA
  497. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mark G.

    Corvinus is incapable of reason, nor does he discuss in good faith. He may as well be a bot. You’re wasting your breath arguing with him. He doesn’t deserve a reasoned argument. All he deserves is derision.

  498. Old Prude says:
    @Corvinus

    How would you put it, Corva? “Disagree”.

  499. @Jack D

    Perhaps, but- why then so many fishy details? Destroying the evidence? Conflicting autopsy reports? Car refurbished? 100-200 “suspicious” deaths in the next 10-15 years.

  500. Pericles says:
    @R.G. Camara

    When you look at what Sailer wrote in, say, 2014, his 2024 work and topics seem fairly watered-down. It might be age, it might be deciding to get along better. Well, now he’s somewhat acceptable again. I say enjoy it while it lasts, Steve.

    • Replies: @Sam Hildebrand
    , @Hail
  501. dearieme says:

    This thread is getting too long to absorb. Where have we got to?

    Are we all agreed that Ze Choos wrote Shakespeare? But they contributed little to golf course design?

  502. Hail says: • Website

    Steve Sailer is (continues to be) critical of Trump’s proposed war against ally Denmark:

    America has always been at war with Eastdenmark

    Who can forget the USA’s eternal enemy, Hans Christian Andersen?

    by Steve Sailer
    March 31, 2025

    From Mr. Show in 1997:

    Odenkirk: “We have an announcement to make. On July 4th of this year, America will blow up the moon.”

    Cross: “We have the technology. The time is now. Science can wait no longer. Children are our future. America can, should, must, and will blow up the moon.”

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/america-has-always-been-at-war-with

    In this short post, Steve Sailer declares himself against the reversal-of-reality that longstanding allies are really enemies, to be confronted and undermined.

    The “Mr. Show” clip (originally aired, Oct 31, 1997) has people all excited about an out-of-nowhere proposal to blow up the Moon by NASA. Then a monkey specially trained in sign language, who is being kept at NASA HQ, asks one of the top scientists: “Why? Why do you want to blow up the moon?” This deflates the fervor, is taken as an affront, and shortly incites anger against the monkey.

    The top brass at NASA get rid of the skeptical monkey, salvaging the situation. They replace it with a monkey straight from the circus, who knows no sign language. The new monkey asks no unpatriotic or inconveniently impertinent questions. The plan goes on.

    Sailer i susing this 1990s comedy-skit as an allegory for the more over-the-top and aggressive-expansionist foreign-policy programs coming from the Trump White House, and the quality of the people with which Trump has chosen to surround himself.

  503. @Pericles

    When you look at what Sailer wrote in, say, 2014, his 2024 work and topics seem fairly watered-down. It might be age, it might be deciding to get along better.

    Maybe he is just trying to stack up some real cash for his retirement years. I don’t blame him. The prospect of getting old without money is scary. He doesn’t want to end up at a place like this when he is 80:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=JixOHjScsU8

    The isteve open thread and copying and pasting his articles here so we can comment without paying the subscription fee is funny, but it does have an icky feeling.

  504. Hail says: • Website
    @Pericles

    A search of news.google.com finds no major news-outlets have mentioned the name “Steve Sailer” so far in calendar-year 2025.

    One of the most recent appearances of Steve Sailer in the press, per news.google.com, was by one Diane Roberts of the Florida Phoenix. It was a condemnation of Sailer as a “garden variety racist,” eccentric obsessed with Black hair, and retrograde proponent of eugenics. The Sailer views are so outrageous, she believes, they’d cause Socrates himself to arise from the grave and rush to join a mob tossing stones against Sailer.

    The anti-Sailer diatribe was published ahead of a Great Race debate to be held at a college in Florida but was postponed by a hurricane (and remains “new date TBD”).

    Sailer was to debate against half-Black professor Wilfred Reilly (a gadfly who published a book on hate-crime hoaxes, largely lifting old Sailer material) and full-Black professor Marvin Dunn (who believes White Racism is the Problem).

    I quote the important parts of Diane Roberts’ anti-Sailer screed:

    Invitation to ‘eugenicon’ shows how far off the track New College has wandered
    Welcoming white supremacists to campus is not good

    by Diane Roberts
    Florida Phoenix [Tallahassee]
    Oct 14, 2024

    Perhaps you’re wondering what’s been going on at New College of Florida. The venal idiots Ron DeSantis put in charge of that once-renowned institution have:

    – Run off nearly 40% of the faculty;
    – Thrown books on history, gender, and Judaism in the dumpster;
    – Fired the librarian;
    – Admitted a bunch of low-scoring jocks;
    – Mowed down and dug up a beloved nature preserve — the jocks needed somewhere to play ball — and;
    – Under the Visigoth-style “leadership” of Richard Corcoran, generally have done their damnedest to turn the clock back to 1950.

    Probably you won’t be surprised to hear what’s going on is not good — as in welcoming white supremacists to campus not good.

    Steve Sailer, a “eugenicon” who believes Black people are genetically inferior to whites, race is biological, interracial marriage is wrong, and “core Americans” are by definition white, has been invited to speak at one of the college’s “Socratic Stage Dialogues.”

    Socrates himself would not know whether to laugh, cry, or take an even bigger swig of hemlock.

    Sailer claims “young woman-of-color journalists” are obsessed with hair and thus tangled up (somehow) in “Haitian voodoo and Southern hoodoo magic.”

    (No, I don’t understand it either.)

    [MORE]

    According to Sailer, Black men are in thrall to a “primal African cult of fertility,” and all Black folks, being not terribly bright, “possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus, they need stricter moral guidance from society.”

    White people, being better at stuff like morality, book-learning, and hair, must help these poor benighted African Americans.

    This kind of talk puts him on the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe: Even the dinosaurs at The National Review, not exactly friends of racial equality, declared such statements beyond the pale.

    New College’s kind of racist

    The New College event was scheduled for Oct. 8 but, given the Old Testament-level wrath of Hurricane Milton, it’s been postponed — possibly the only positive effect of this terrible storm.

    While I’d love to think there are a couple of sane people left at New College who might decide to cancel the whole thing and save themselves embarrassment, that’s wishful thinking.

    Sailer is the new New College’s kind of racist.

    We should hardly be shocked: Sailer is Donald Trump’s kind of racist, too. […]

    Florida’s honors college has been remade according to…white supremacist, anti-diversity, hate-driven vision for higher education.

    Thus, the invitation to the indefensible Steve Sailer, a garden-variety racist with no academic credentials.

    No matter what happens in November, the…Sailers of the world are not going away, so look for this “Socratic Dialogue” to happen in 2025.

    https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/10/14/invitation-to-eugenicon-shows-how-far-off-the-track-new-college-has-wandered/

  505. @Hail

    Each time I have something to credit President Trump about (see my comment above to Mr. Anon), I hear about something else he’s done which makes no sense. Rather than being distracted by others as Tump-45, Trump-47 seems to be distracting himself. He needs to FOCUS!

    What do you think is wrong with Trump leading to his doing all this international El Caudillo Yankee behavior, Mr. Hail? My guess is that his ego is so big he’s just got to have some big story in the news every day rather than hunkering down to get done the good stuff (lots of it) that he and his guys have already started.

    BTW, that “Mr. Show” skit was damn funny. I especially liked the San Fran. protesters near the end. “Earth First! Blow up stuff here!” Hahaaa.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  506. @Sam Hildebrand

    Mr. Hildebrand, it does seem a little low down. OTOH, before I just read your comment, I had just copied into the “clipboard”* a comment even from Mr. Hail’s linked SS post/comments.

    Tell you what, though. If he were to just put up a couple/three posts a week here, and asked for donations occasionally, I’d send some money his way – I just don’t like the format of substack.

    Here’s some pushback on the Ukraine war for which Mr. Sailer has been on the Establishment side.

    From AMac78

    > what could make more sense than blowing up the Moon?

    For Today, that’s an important question to ponder. Forced sale of Greenland? Occupy Toronto?

    For the first 22 years of the 21st Century, the answer was more obvious: urge Ukraine to join NATO. Help Ukrainians to elect governments that are hostile to their giant neighbor to the East. Belligerently inform that giant neighbor that it has no such thing as a “Near Abroad,” and therefore no legitimate interests even 1 km past its post-Soviet borders.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Good one.

    .

    * That may be a Microsoft term, but it’s the memory space used when you ctrl-c (this is an apple device). Someone riddle me this. Why after 4 decades of Windows, etc, and all the useless (for me!) updates, why haven’t they added multiple clipboards? ctrl-c-1, etc., so I can get more done. [What do you mean, getting stuff done? What’s getting done here?!] oops, that wasn’t Ron Unz – wife just showed up… gotta go!

  507. First Romania, now France:

    In Latest Blow To European Democracy, Judge Rules Marine Le Pen Ineligible To Run For President In 2027

    Le Pen has also been sentenced to four years in prison, with two years suspended.

    Notably, the news comes right as Le Pen leads the polling for French presidential elections in 2027, as Remix News reported earlier today.

    Maybe I’m just a “conspiracy nut” who belongs in the loony bin.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  508. Since I’m already on a roll with this, I’d meant to insert 2 comments off the iSteve substack post on the policially-purposeful delay of the Pfizer vax in Oct-Nov ’20. For the record, again, I think that was a hell of a scoop by Mr. Sailer! However, what he wrote, as annotated above, pissed me off. Two of. the comments did too.

    1) From one Mr. Grand Mal Twerkin (LUV the handle!):

    Maybe against you, but I guarantee that plenty of Republicans who refused the jab would have gotten jabbed, and possibly have favored mandates, had Trump won, just as many Democrats who got it, and favored mandates, would have refused it

    Guaranteed? I’ll never by a used (or new) vehicle from that guy. COMPLETELY WRONG! Also, only real Totalitarians wanted mandated vaccines, and where do you usually find those folks? ((You got it.)

    2) From Alexander Turok (used to post here – pro-Panic), in reply to JMcG who noted that the vax didn’t help him and his family one bit:

    It’s the same kind of reasoning as the guy who says “if cigarettes reduce life expectancy, how come that one guy I know smoked and live to 90?” Often from the same exact people. Hopefully a eugenics program will eventually eliminate such illogic.

    That might SOUND like a good analogy, but it’s not. Turok is a dope, and here’s why:

    Cigarette smoking has a very significant statistical effect on the contraction of lung cancer. That doesn’t mean that one guy or even 2 out of 10, smokers not contracting it contradicts anything. It depends what the stats are, a 2x greater chance, 5x, whatever.

    With the Kung Flu vax, as supposedly ANY vaccine, it keeps one from contracting the disease and spreading it. PERIOD. Now, should you have 1 in 10,000 who got it anyway, you may say those are real flukes, but the vax is good. These are not the numbers though. Had Mr. McG and his family all got measles after all taking that vaccine, I think that’d be news.

    Thank you, JMcG and also Yancey Ward.

  509. Ralph L says:
    @Sam Hildebrand

    I don’t believe anyone has posted Steve’s material past the paywall that he sometimes puts halfway in a post.

  510. TWS says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    First time I was involved in a news story it was false to facts beginning to end.

    I knew instinctively not to ever speak to any arm of the media and over the years, I never once saw a media story get something I knew the facts about right. I went from skeptical to entirely disbelieving. In one case people were receiving bomb threats daily because of a pet psychic. This individual sensed a disturbance in the animal force from hundreds of miles away and brought paid for protesters from across the nation to harass a decent community.

    Was the news skeptical of any of this? No it was merely a way to sell advertising.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  511. Mike Tre says:

    Meanwhile, on the front page, Ron Unz is a doing a fantastic job of getting a bunch of white commenters, most of whom claim to be “knowing goys”, to advocate for more foreign brown people to arrive and remain in the US, because that how you fight jewish power or something.

    Even though its one of the strategies of jewish power to, you know, flood white countries with brown people. Cognitive dissonance is how you stick it to the Zionists!

    One guy even said “first they came for the green card holders.” LOL

    I eagerly await Ron’s next pravda article where he backhandedly advocates for even more H1B’s to arrive and remain in the US, because that’s how you fight jewish power, and it’s safe to assume most or all of his herd will celebrate that idea as well.

    I mean, you have to hand it to him. He literally has his readers in a suicidal feedback loop: “We need more brown immigration that jews advocate for so we can stick it to the jews!”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  512. Mr. Anon says:
    @Hail

    Sailer i susing this 1990s comedy-skit as an allegory for the more over-the-top and aggressive-expansionist foreign-policy programs coming from the Trump White House, and the quality of the people with which Trump has chosen to surround himself.

    The people Trump has chosen to surround himself with is FOX News.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @epebble
  513. Hail says: • Website

    Steve Sailer says the hit Adolescence tv-show, now being much talked-about, is really about White-males acculturating to Nonwhite-immigrant norms, away from classically European behavior.

    Sailer says there are two choices: (1.) Mass Deportations plus White Self-Respect; or, (2.) Punish Whites (two-tiered justice system) plus loose racial policy allowing Andrew Tates (nonwhite big-talkers) of the world to be thought-leaders. Which will it be?

    “Adolescence” proves need for two-tier justice

    Just look at this kid: he’s white!

    by Steve Sailer
    March 31, 2025

    The hit British / Netflix TV show Adolescence is about is about how a 13 year old boy stabs a girl to death because he’s an incel, even though, apparently, he looks like a TV star and (did I mention?) he’s 13.

    Really?

    Is this a realistic portrayal of the demographics of either British knife violence or of inceldom?

    But, the point is, he’s been red-pilled by Andrew Tate, a part-black Muslim convert pornographer who is particularly popular with nonwhite youth.

    So, this has set off a giant Conversation among the Nice People about how something must be done about social media spreading misogyny, as you can see from watching Adolescence.

    We can’t do anything about immigration policy, so we must instead have a moral panic about white youths adopting nonwhite attitudes, which are all the fault of whites.

    Or something.

    [Paywall.]

    https://www.stevesailer.net/p/adolescence-proves-need-for-two-tier

    (The British government, today, announced all schools would be provided copies of Adolescence, as educational material to reduce the menace of “social-media-fueled young-male rage.”)

    • Replies: @mc23
  514. epebble says:
    @Mr. Anon

    The people Trump has chosen to surround himself with

    Steve Witkoff, a real estate developer like Trump (and golfing buddy) has been entrusted with the most delicate foreign policy negotiations. Unsurprisingly, he is ‘failing’. But I see this as ‘Glass half full’ situation. Only when Trump gets rebuffed in our ‘foreign policy’, he will stick to domestic issues as MAGA wants.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-witkoff-putin-zelensky-gaza-ceasefire-signal-b2724296.html

  515. res says:
    @res

    Anyone else seeing behavior like:
    – Now I am moderated here.
    – My March 30 comment does not appear in my comment history.

  516. epebble says:
    @Colin Wright

    The whole thing bears a marked resemblance to 2001-2003

    When I read

    ‘Detention Alley’: inside the Ice centres in the US south where foreign students and undocumented migrants languish
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/29/ice-detention-centers-immigration-asylum

    it reminded me of the Gulags in USSR. The people are not even being put on a plane and shipped to their homelands. That would have been preferable to holding them in faraway places indefinitely. I don’t know why the DoJ is so lacking in confidence that that can’t get a charge written up, say ‘National security’, get it stamped from a co-operating judge and put them on an airplane out.

    • Replies: @muggles
    , @AnotherDad
  517. res says:
    @MEH 0910

    I’m not seeing it? Last comment I see there is from 2023. I thought it was not possible to leave new comments on a post with closed comments

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  518. @Buzz Mohawk

    I’ve been keeping up with Romania, Buzz, though I’m sure not as much as you and the Mrs. have.

    From some Moslem-infested shithole in the north of England to Trieste in the Adriatic, Iron Curtain 2.0 has descended across the Continent.

    – Achmed E. Churchill, in famous speech to the student body of Meridian Mississippi Community College, via WebEx, March 31st, 2025

    .

    Maybe I’m just a “conspiracy nut” who belongs in the loony bin.

    You’re not/ 3 hots and a cot – not a bad deal!

  519. @Mike Tre

    Agreed on this one, Mike. It’s one thing to call out the hypocrisy of Jewish power. It’s another to make a big deal about some highly foreign student bitching it up and causing mayhem on the campus.

    Send him back. Send ALL foreign students home!

    Thank you for Suicide is Painless too. Great tune, though I like it sung better by the black guy in the movie. The movie, BTW, was SO much better and more realistic, humanity-wise, than the show with holier-than-thou Alan Alda.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Joe Stalin
  520. MEH 0910 says:
    @res

    A couple of days ago or so I was moderated for a day, and then it went back to unmoderated. And it takes about a day for comments to show up in the comment history.

    • Thanks: res
  521. MEH 0910 says:
    @res

    Can you see this comment?:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/emmett-tills-victim-dies-before-she-can-by-lynched/#comment-7057164

    If you can’t see it, it would be interesting that only I can see the new comment that I left. It does show up in my comment history.

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=MEH+0910

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @res
  522. @res

    Anyone else seeing behavior like:
    – Now I am moderated here.
    – My March 30 comment does not appear in my comment history.

    Its happened to me as well. My most recent comment (yesterday) is in the thread, but not my comment history.

  523. @Corvinus

    How about asking Trump to declare all Jews as being a threat to white people and our national security, and thus the need to purge them? Because that ultimately is what you support.

    He’d never do it — ironically, because Jews have too much power, not because he’d necessarily scruple to. He wouldn’t do it because he couldn’t.

    But what do you support instead? Your attempt to argue otherwise, Jewish dominance does have a marked — and intolerable — effect on the condition and direction of our country.

  524. @Achmed E. Newman

    ‘…Send him back. Send ALL foreign students home!’

    That wouldn’t be so bad if that’s what was happening.

    But it’s not. What’s happening is that foreign students who criticize Israel are being sent home — and only them.

    And if we permit that, what happens next? What makes you so confident you’ll be allowed to continue to express your views?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  525. @MEH 0910

    I saw that one yesterday, MEH. You found a hole in the system!

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  526. @TWS

    Thanks and agreed, TWS. I wrote up my 1st experience with the news (TV) from long, long ago in this post: My Introduction to the Lyin’ Press.

  527. @Corvinus

    But for argument’s sake, let us assume that Jews were no longer part of the American legal profession. Who is to say that the whites who replaced them would be “superior” or “meet your approval” in their approach to legal and constitutional matters?

    Jews are heavily populated two areas (LA and NYC) so I actually wouldn’t describe them as dominating the legal profession. However in NYC it is a quietly spoken belief among both Whites and non-Whites to find a Jewish lawyer if you are in trouble or have a serious case. So to say they dominate law in NYC is a fair assessment.

    If Jews dominate law or medicine in some areas then I honestly don’t care. I live in rural America and your best chance of running into a Jew is through medicine or law. Statistically speaking you are unlikely to come across one that owns a ranch or a company that produces industrial equipment. They seem less interested in anything related to agriculture or construction. This same observation was made by Europeans hundreds of years ago. Jews even joke amongst themselves about how they don’t like outdoor sports or cold weather.

    A huge problem I see however is that clown world has a massive double standard with White men. If White men are overrepresented in some area then the powers that be do everything possible to correct this awful wrong. There is no investigation on whether it is based in merit. In fact professors have lost their careers for even *HINTING* that there could *POSSIBLY* be some differences that at least explain part of the results. This wouldn’t be so bad if we had a right wing or conservative party that pushed back with reality-based explanations. However our DU GOODER conservatives don’t like talking about racial or gender differences and in fact support affirmation action in their own realms. Which means they sit back and let the system discriminate against Whites in government and also bash them in the schools and media. This is mostly done by White women and not Jews as many here assume. The typical public school is dominated by liberal White women that feel Whites are too unequal and need to be bashed for historical correction. They are the ones that give the slavery guilt talks to kids as young as 6.

    All this amounts to Jews sort of getting a free pass in areas where they are overrepresented. They get to be both White and a minority. But unlike most posters I don’t see that as the main problem. The main problem is that we have endless double standards that our cowardly conservatives refuse to address. They prefer feel-good conservative politics where they preach about tax cuts and run ex-NFL players. It just amounts to letting liberals win over the long term.

    If we had a right that pushed back then the liberals of the schools and media wouldn’t feel they had a free pass to denigrate Whites. But they know full well that conservatives will never cross that line. Our Christian conservatives don’t like the issue of racial differences as it has an evolutionary angle. Their libertarian allies also don’t like the subject of race as they want everyone to just work and make the stock market tick upwards. Basically everyone agrees that race is not to be discussed which amounts to letting liberals win.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @res
  528. @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you for Suicide is Painless too.

    The song was written for Ken Prymus, the actor playing Private Seidman, to sing during the faux-suicide of Walter “Painless Pole” Waldowski (John Schuck) in the film’s “Last Supper” scene. Director Robert Altman had two stipulations about the song for composer Johnny Mandel: it had to be called “Suicide Is Painless” and it had to be the “stupidest song ever written”. Altman attempted to write the lyrics himself, but, upon finding it too difficult for his “45-year-old brain” to write something “stupid” enough, he gave the task to his 15-year-old-son Michael, who reportedly wrote the lyrics in five minutes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Is_Painless

    I recall hearing that Robert Altman was pissed that his son made far more money for the song than Altman did directing the film!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  529. Corvinus says:
    @epebble

    “Any rational public policy…”

    Wow, another great example of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

    “will not invest an additional dollar towards childhood cancer compared to general heart disease and cancer research.”

    It’s about focusing on the future of white kids. Furthermore, is it rational for Musk to substantially cut funding for and towards medical research?

    • Replies: @epebble
  530. J.Ross says:

    Virginia Guiffre, victim of the Epstein blackmail ring and accuser of Prince Andrew, has claimed that she was hit by a speeding schoolbus in Australia and has days to live.
    https://www.newsweek.com/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-jeffrey-epstein-4-days-live-car-crash-2053056

  531. @Ralph L

    REJECTED Asian applicants outperform ACCEPTED black applicants by about 100 SAT points at NYU. (bar graph of 4 races’ mean and rejected SAT scores.)

    Anyone who has been in the trenches doesn’t need these studies. In fact it is just a massive eyeroll to everyone and that includes liberals that pretend to not know.

    It is basically like getting this in your newsfeed: Banned study shows that a hot stove will not only burn your hand but also your foot. Even more evidence that stoves get hot!

    We still have posters at Unz that seem to think the White liberal women of cities like DC are all brainwashed by Jewish propaganda. As if White women in those areas have no idea that race exists and believe everything they see on TV.

    This is why the Murray/Sailer approach always cracked me up. As if White teachers and administrators in these areas just needed a couple graphs and charts. This approach shows that Murray types haven’t been in the thick of it and continue to project their Whiteness. They assume Blacks are basically Romanians with some bad habits and it’s all just a matter of the system not wanting to face some undesirable statistics.

  532. @epebble

    “Trump, the consummate troll, seems to be targeting this at the easily excited:

    Trump won’t rule out seeking a third term in the White House, tells NBC”

    Oh, our President shoulda triggered Corvi et al by announcing he’ll seek a fourth term. 🤯

  533. muggles says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Maybe

    I’m just a “conspiracy nut” who belongs in the loony bin.

    Maybe. Though “conspiracy nuts” who are later proven correct are then deemed “prophets.” Doesn’t happen often but…

    This trend towards reducing candidates by declaring them criminals or ineligible is an old Third World staple.

    The Biden Democrats worked hard to disqualify Trump in various ways, but those failed.

    Now Europe is working on this, France and Romania, among others. Ukraine no longer bothers to hold elections. In Russia, losing candidates end up in Siberia or dead, or both.

    Third party candidates in the US rarely get on ballots and it is quite expensive and time consuming to do so. Every presidential election year some group comes out of the blue to declare a “new party” and run someone, liberalish, usually. A few states have easy ballot access. But reality sets in and most give up.

    So, two choices, not just one.

    Lawfare is the usual means to exclude candidates. Corrupt DAs, judges, etc.

    One reason why Trump is going after DC fixer law firms who worked against him. Also purging Justice Dept lawyers and FBI goons who tried to set him up, harassed him, etc.

    Where is that second would be Trump assassin? The guy at the FL golf course. He has disappeared into the ozone. Why?

    “Democracy” ain’t for the faint of heart.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  534. res says:
    @MEH 0910

    That first link takes me to the top of the post. I can’t see your recent comment under that post.

    I see the comment in your comment history though. It only has a fake Thanks followed by the action Thanks, right?

    AEN, can you see the comment from the first link or anywhere under the original post?

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  535. @Sam Hildebrand

    Didn’t anyone here save his address? I expect that he’s still happy to cash a check.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  536. @John Johnson

    ‘…This is mostly done by White women and not Jews as many here assume. The typical public school is dominated by liberal White women that feel Whites are too unequal and need to be bashed for historical correction…’

    But who fed them this line? Who created the ideological authority to which they submit?

    Another aspect of this is that women are instinctively more conformist, more interested in seeking and abiding by consensus than men. This isn’t necessarily bad so much as just the way it is — but it does have implications.

    But to return to the point, who dreamed up this ideology, this consensus which they now so willingly serve? Care to do an ethnic analysis? Want to enumerate its founders?

    Now, you can actually trace the roots of these ideas back hundreds of years; and they’re not necessarily entirely bad. But as with all things, it’s a question of proportion and balance — and I’ll insist that over the last century Jews have come along and put their thumb down — hard — on one side of the scale.

    And it’s not working out.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  537. epebble says:
    @Corvinus

    It is the basic economic truism. As long as there is scarcity, the best choice to make among alternatives is to pick that which has the highest marginal benefit/marginal cost. What is your fixation with ‘white kids’? If you see the medical research, it shows childhood cancers have poor outcomes in spite of advanced treatment.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  538. @Colin Wright

    Solution: Don’t pick on the pro-Palestinians., Kick all foreign students out.

    Shoulda’ been done long ago…

    (“But muh full outta-Stat tuition!” – U. Admins. “Don’t need it – cut 241 employees and $30.7 million annual D.I.E. costs, and you’ll be in the black.” – AEN on behalf of DJT and the cute blonde.)

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  539. @Jack D

    Keep in mind that most modern languages (and literary traditions) are relative recent (mostly from the 19th century) artificial constructions associated with modern nation-states.

    LOL Hey Will, Jack D wants to explain you’re just blabbering in an “artificial construct”.

    The norm in Europe (including E. Europe) was a language continuum–you started out on the Polish-German border …

    Polish-German border? Why did you start there?

    There is just no end to your Jewish anti-nationalist lying, spin and bafflegab.

    No saying the “norm” is “language continuum” is to deliberately obfuscate what’s actually important. The actual human norm is that people and their languages come from various tribes that moved around and have settled–through conquest–in various places.

    That you start at the “Polish German” border just makes the point. There’s not much actual “language continuum” there. People near the border might know a little–or a lot–of both. But they are from two entirely separate Indo-European language families, with any commonality all the way back at Proto-Indo-European. One or the other might as well be speaking Sanskrit.

    Running mentally across the northern European plain you have Bretons–(Celts formerly speaking a Celtic language now mostly French)–then French and Waloons (mostly Celts with some Roman conqueror admixture, speaking Latin derivatives from the Romans)–then various German peoples (speaking various Germanic languages–then the Poles (Slavs speaking a Slavic language)– then Lithuanians (Balts speaking a Baltic language)–then Belarusians and Russians (Slavs speaking Slavic languages). Four completely separate Indo-European language families. And, of course, if you dipped south you could hit the Hungarians speaking a language basically unrelated to the Indo-European languages at all.

    What you actually have is not “continuum”, but more like “clumps”. After the Migration Period various tribes were more or less settled. Under the civilizing influence of the Church and its universalism–inc. its “marry the girl next door”, discouragement of cousin marriage–you had a blurring of tribal boundaries. And sometimes states straddling underlying tribal boundaries. Think of it, like going to Basin Robbins and filling a bowl with scoops–with the variations on the big flavors (e.g. chocolate) mostly plopped next to each other. Melting blurs the scoops together, but the scoops still remain distinct scoops. If you want a bit of Rocky Road you can figure out where to stick your spoon.

    Nations are not “arbitrary constructs” but rather expressions of those clumps, their genes and culture. Sure, Standard High German is a product of 19th century German nationalism and more importantly modern radio and TV communication. Which German settled territory ended up in the modern “German” state is a product of history. But still you could go back 1500 years in most of these German speaking areas and find people who were recognizably “Germans” speaking some sort of recognizably German language–even if unintelligible to modern Germans. And likewise find nearby peoples who are clearly non-Germans. I’m a pretty Euro-culture clueless middle American and yet if you parade a mixture of Germans and Poles by me, even my sorting rate would be well over 50%. The boundary specifics are historical, but real organic nations exist whether you like it or not.

    And, of course, you know all that.

    ~~

    There is something deeply obnoxious about this incessant Jewish anti-nationalism.

    The most tribal people Europe–people who refused for 1000 years to assimilate with their neighbors but maintained themselves endogamously and culturally separate; people who yap incessantly about their precious 6 million War dead being extra special more important than everyone else’s dead, because it was a genocide; people who yell “anti-Semitism!” when anyone criticizes their brand new freshly conquered nation Israel–always telling white gentiles that their nations are fake and gay “artificial constructs” that really ought not to exist … because it makes Jews feel uncomfortable and possibly even the gentiles might not let the Jews in to loot them.

    Believe me, we get it: Your tribe is super-duper important–the bestest most wonderful people ever. Our–much more open and assimilative and pleasant–nations are not.

    You’d think y’all should have a little more decency towards the “boring”, “white bread” people … who have fed you for past 1000 years. Maybe simply stop trying to shit on and destroy our nations? But no, apparently for Jews that’s just too much to ask.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  540. muggles says:
    @epebble

    it reminded me of the Gulags in USSR. The people are not even being put on a plane and shipped to their homelands. That would have been preferable to holding them in faraway places indefinitely. I don’t know why the DoJ is so lacking in confidence that that can’t get a charge written up, say ‘National security’, get it stamped from a co-operating judge and put them on an airplane out.

    You “don’t know why” because like many here, you are too lazy to do easy research.

    First, you know nothing about the actual Gulag. It was nothing like deporting illegal gang members here who have no valid immigration status. Nearly everyone in Stalinist gulags was a citizen of the USSR.

    The “reason” the TdA gangsters weren’t nicely flown to Venezuela is that until after the deportations to El Salvador occurred, the Venezuelan government refused to accept deported illegal “migrants.”

    Now they have changed that policy, they say.

    A relevant recent WSJ story documented the tale of a woe begotten American solo sailor who foolishly thought sailing into Venezuela unannounced (and shipwrecked) was a good idea.

    In his 50s, he was accused of being a spy, held in various jails and prisons, and treated harshly like a criminal. After 5 months of captivity, he along with several other accused American “spies” were swapped for some Venezuelans who had been in American captivity for various crimes.

    So, the VZ government treats “illegal migrants”, even those washed up on shore, absent their boat, even worse than the US treats theirs.

    No nation on earth has let their country become flooded with strangers and no vetting like Biden did. If you travel abroad absent host country permission and procedures, you will be arrested and booted out.

    • Replies: @epebble
  541. @John Johnson

    ‘We still have posters at Unz that seem to think the White liberal women of cities like DC are all brainwashed by Jewish propaganda. As if White women in those areas have no idea that race exists and believe everything they see on TV.’

    In a sense they don’t have any idea race exists, and do accept everything they see on TV.

    It’s an observable fact that people will give preference to what they’re told over what they can see. And none more so than women. In fact women will — entirely seriously — ignore what is right in front of them in favor of what other women tell them.

    Let me give you an example. My wife and I were sitting in a bus depot in Turkey — and a bus depot really is a good place to get a look at the non-elite of any society. My wife was killing time on Facebook or whatever. She informed me Muslim women were fat.

    I got up and took photos of literally the first seven Muslim women I saw. They were right there; my wife could see them. One middle-aged matron was a tad matronly. All the others were impeccably slender.

    Didn’t matter. My wife was being told they were fat — so they were.

    This is how people are — really. I suspect we’d all kill each other if it were otherwise. We DEPEND on maintaining a consensus, and we maintain that consensus by accepting what others tell us — often blindly. How do you think the Germans all accepted that the Jews were evil and had to be…’sent away’? The Nazis managed to create that as a consensus: never mind the Jews people had actually known.

    So that’s how we are. And women even more so. TELL them race doesn’t exist, etc, and they’ll at least try to behave as if that were true.

    I mean, we’re all that way to at least some degree. We WANT blacks to be equal to the rest of us, reasonably competent, trustworthy, etc. We’re positively grateful if one actually is. And why?

    Think about it. Where would we be if we accepted the truth?

  542. @res

    AEN, can you see the comment from the first link or anywhere under the original post?

    Yes, yesterday and just now I could/can see MEH’s short comment of yesterday 10:15 GMT as the last one under that old Emmitt Shill post.

    Yeah, Mr. Unz’s routine (a stored procedure in the dBase or something) that fills up one’s Comments table must be on a less frequent schedule.

    Also, I see a very short (maybe under 15 min.) auto-moderation schedule for my comments. That’s not a problem – it might be a solution to one of Ron’s.

  543. res says:
    @John Johnson

    If Jews dominate law or medicine in some areas then I honestly don’t care.

    Important to recognize that law and medicine are fundamentally different. Law REQUIRES multiple lawyer parties be involved (simply stated, counsel, opposing counsel, and judge).

    Judges and the appeals process make law hierarchical in a way medicine is not. If you think Jews dominating some echelons of law (e.g. NYC) does not affect you locally then you are mistaken.

    Some relevant numbers.
    https://www.americanprogress.org/article/building-inclusive-federal-judiciary/

    a 2017 study by scholars Sepehr Shahshahani and Lawrence J. Liu found that among federal appellate judges, 45.1 percent were Protestant, 28.2 percent were Catholic, 19 percent were Jewish, and 5.1 percent were Mormon.

    An interesting what if in this area. If Garland had been confirmed in 2016 there would have been four Jewish Supreme Court justices. Now we are down to one.
    https://forward.com/news/507745/jewish-representation-on-the-supreme-court-a-history/

  544. @Joe Stalin

    Ha! I remember knowing about that before, Joe, but thanks for the reminder of this story. Lyrics are generally the least important part of a song, so I imagine the guy could be singing something completely different and I’d like the song just as much.

    I do like the simple acoustic guitar and singing in the movie better than the produced

    Not a bad job for any 15 y/o kid based on having to start out with “Suicide is Painless”. (“Painless” being the name of the Army Dentist involved.) And, I hate to tell Director Robert Altman after all these years, but there have been many much stupider songs than this one since!

  545. @Colin Wright

    ‘…I mean, we’re all that way to at least some degree. We WANT blacks to be equal to the rest of us, reasonably competent, trustworthy, etc. We’re positively grateful if one actually is…

    Let me give you an example of this.

    Back in the day, when I had my moving business, I obsessively tracked everything about it — like tips. This was a one truck operation, so I was always one of the guys who got tips, so I knew exactly how much we got tipped.

    Now, one of the helpers I regularly used was black. He was good — but so were all the helpers I used. I mean, the field of ways you can demonstrate quality as a mover’s helper really is pretty limited. Show up, be strong, work fast, don’t bang things, don’t start arguing with me or the customer. Really: a good man is a good man, but it wasn’t rocket science.

    And a good helper is a good helper. But one thing I noticed about Anthony. Whenever I used him, our tips were literally double what they would be if I used a white helper.

    Now, you can interpret that as you will. I think it’s because the customers were so grateful to see a black who was actually hard working, careful with their stuff, etc.

    It’s what we want. And why do we want it? Why would it be so hard to accept the black average for what it actually is?

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
  546. MEH 0910 says:
    @res

    That first link takes me to the top of the post. I can’t see your recent comment under that post.

    That’s what I see when I first make the reply to a comment that is in the closed comments post. There is an additional step needed to make the comment appear there.

    Funny that me and AEN can see my new reply in the closed comment section, and you can’t.

    I see the comment in your comment history though. It only has a fake Thanks followed by the action Thanks, right?

    Right. Try hitting a reaction button to my reply comment in my comment history, and see if it makes a difference to you seeing my same reply comment on the closed comments page.

    • Replies: @res
  547. epebble says:
    @muggles

    I was not commenting on TdA deportees. Since they are in Gulags outside of U.S., that is O.K. Like GITMO is for Al Qaeda men. The article talks about Mahmoud Khalil, Badar Khan Suri and Rumeysa Ozturk, academics now jailed in facilities along ‘Detention Alley’ in the US south. This sounds like Gulag on American soil since they are in indefinite detention far from their usual place of residence for primarily thought crimes. At least Dr. Suri and (Dr) Ozturk could have been sent home from where they were arrested. There is no evidence that either India or Turkey refused their return trip home.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  548. @muggles

    Where is that second would be Trump assassin? The guy at the FL golf course. He has disappeared into the ozone. Why?

    I’ve been wondering the same thing.

    My wife has been wondering where Melania is, but that’s a different matter.

    Or is it?

    LOL

  549. @Colin Wright

    ‘…This is mostly done by White women and not Jews as many here assume. The typical public school is dominated by liberal White women that feel Whites are too unequal and need to be bashed for historical correction…’

    But who fed them this line? Who created the ideological authority to which they submit?

    Yes you clearly view those White women as victims that would never do such a thing like indoctrinate children if given the facts. That makes the situation easier for you to deal with mentally as you can remove all agency from White authorities. As if those poor naive souls with grad degrees really believe that the starting line of the Cowboys can be Black but too many White engineers in a company must mean racist Whites are at it again. I have news for you which is that teachers do not actually believe in equality. They see inequality constantly and know it is a lie. It is a lie that women support just like lying about relationships. They view lying as preferable to truth if feelings are involved.

    You want to believe that Whites are victim of a Jewish conspiracy. I’d probably entertain that belief had I not lived around liberal Whites who in private would admit to their secular religion not being true and would even make jokes about it.

    You and others here underestimate how many Whites both liberal and conservative cannot handle the reality of race. They view it as “not fair” and want it fixed. That includes Christian Republicans and secular libertarians. The majority of both groups support keeping it as a taboo. Are the Jews forcing Roger Ailes to run endless programs on how “Big government dun ruined Black cities”? Doesn’t he have the option of doing nothing? No one forced Rush Limbaugh to have “NFL sundays” and indoctrinate millions of rural Whites into believing that “big government” makes all inequality. Those are lies told by rich Whites that could just as easily keep their mouths shut.

    Another aspect of this is that women are instinctively more conformist, more interested in seeking and abiding by consensus than men. This isn’t necessarily bad so much as just the way it is — but it does have implications.

    I completely agree here and yet conservatives quietly endorse the idea that women and men don’t have innate psychological differences that are manifested in politics. Women seek social stability and conformity even if the order is based on lies. This was observed not decades but thousands of years ago by Greek philosophers. Women are far less likely to rebel or question a ruling authority. From an evolutionary perspective it makes sense as they get pregnant regardless and need a stable village for the children. They have less to gain from the risk of rebellion. But we aren’t supposed to approach that topic from either a liberal or conservative viewpoint. It’s a taboo for both sides. Liberals maintain that gender is a social construct (fake science) and conservatives support keeping human evolution a suppressed subject for the sake of Christianity.

    But to return to the point, who dreamed up this ideology, this consensus which they now so willingly serve? Care to do an ethnic analysis? Want to enumerate its founders?

    Which ideology exactly? I have pointed out numerous times that the open-borders and anti-racial ideology of the libertarian party was created by Ayn Rand who was not only Jewish but broke her own rules for Isreal. Libertarians don’t care. They like the idea of “muh minimal government” being everything and that race will go away once we get rid of big government. Just look in my history. I have pointed out that the libertarian ideology is more dependent on Jewish writers than the left and their most common response is to give me the True Libertarian defense even though the party members vote exactly as Rand decreed. They don’t care.

    Or do you mean liberalism? You think liberal White women would drop their beliefs if they found out that X% of make-believe equality science was written by Jewish men like Gould? They don’t care since it is all fake anyways. Gould was exposed as a fraud and his book is still a top seller. They simply don’t care. Liberal academics is dominated by White women that want a different reality to exist. They think race and gender are completely not fair to the point where they will take anything to change them. They have no choice but to lie. Take away the Goulds and the desire would remain along with Whites that will happily write their feel-good lies. Those White liberal women wouldn’t stop and say Well gosh I guess we were lying this whole time. We will quit and stop taking 120k salaries for the sake of the truth. In fact before the waves of Russian Jewish immigrants we had abolitionist Whites that paraded around mulattoes as “proof” that race doesn’t exist. Oh look at this half-White Black guy! He is so articulate! Frederick Douglas was the Obama of his time. He was paraded around by egalitarians like a unicorn.

  550. @John Johnson

    Denial is not a river in Egypt.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  551. @Achmed E. Newman

    ‘Solution: Don’t pick on the pro-Palestinians., Kick all foreign students out.’

    Solution to what?

    There are ten million illegals in the country — and you want to kick out the ones who are here legally?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  552. @Jack D

    This was Biden’s fallacy. We can’t deport them all, therefore we can’t deport any of them. Gotta start somewhere.

    You are intentionally conflating legal and illegal immigrants.

    I might argue that people who haven’t been issued a driver’s license shouldn’t be allowed to drive. How does that demonstrate that I should forbid you from driving as well?

    The legal position here is very clear. If others don’t grasp it, I can attribute it to ignorance or sheer stupidity.

    You’re a lawyer. If you pretend not to, to what should I attribute your position?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  553. @Colin Wright

    Denial of what exactly? Why don’t you try quoting me.

    The theory that removing the Jews will create some utopia has already been tested.

    Hitler also believed that removing the Jews would decimate the left.

    Well that didn’t happen. The German center-left is much worse than the one from the 1930s. It was a non-Jewish Christian center-left Chancellor that let in a million Muslims. She has publicly stated that it was a mistake. WHOOPSIES…..GOSH DID I DO THAT? She also admitted to botching it with Putin.

    I don’t mind the Jewish question and I certainly don’t support the suppression of the discussion. Either we have free speech or we don’t.

    But I don’t buy the general theory that the Jews are the cause of all liberalism or leftism and Whites are all doe eyed naive automatons. I think the theory that Whites are pre-disposed to group egalitarianism actually has more weight. In fact I used to live in an area where a lot of the leftists were noticeably Nordic. There were Irish and Italians in the area and yet the White leftists tended to be thin and tall. In fact to this day I have not met a self-loathing Italian leftist male. Disproportionate Jewish influence within the left and Hollywood is a fact of life but I don’t buy the theory that a majority of Whites would accept race if not for Jews. I in fact used to hang around a Republican activist that fully admitted that they have to lie about race. He and his friends had the same opinion which is that we can’t talk about race and have to play up “minimal government” as a solution to anything with non-Whites. In fact he had no problem with the Jewish question behind closed doors. You want to believe that such conservatives just need some type of Unz enlightenment and walk around indoctrinated. As if he used the internet for years and never googled “Jewish hollywood”. You really think these leaders are that naive?

    You and others here are stuck in 1930s. Removing the Jews would just lead to a dingbat liberalism with women like Joy Behar or Merkel in charge. Wapo has had a White female in charge for years and they aren’t a centrist or balanced outlet.

    Maybe you grew up in an area with a lot of Jews and that affected your opinion. Well I grew up with Gud Whites doing their best to control my questions and in college I actually had a professor pull me aside and tell me that they have to lie about race. I asked too many questions and she pulled me aside and said that we (liberalism) don’t have a choice. That was a White woman being paid around 150k a year to lie and she knew full well as to what she was doing. You and others here want me to forget about that and put it all on the Jews. Well I found it extremely insulting as this prof pointed her little finger about race at the class and then basically cried Uncle when I asked too many questions. I was a Sophomore and I made her circus collapse with a few questions. It’s a load of bullshit and they know it. They know it is a lie and don’t give a damn if you point out how some theorist was Jewish. They would support giving him an award for “stopping da racists” or something.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  554. res says:
    @MEH 0910

    Try hitting a reaction button to my reply comment in my comment history, and see if it makes a difference to you seeing my same reply comment on the closed comments page.

    That made it visible. Thanks.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  555. @epebble

    ‘I was not commenting on TdA deportees. Since they are in Gulags outside of U.S., that is O.K. Like GITMO is for Al Qaeda men. The article talks about Mahmoud Khalil, Badar Khan Suri and Rumeysa Ozturk, academics now jailed in facilities along ‘Detention Alley’ in the US south. This sounds like Gulag on American soil since they are in indefinite detention far from their usual place of residence for primarily thought crimes. At least Dr. Suri and (Dr) Ozturk could have been sent home from where they were arrested. There is no evidence that either India or Turkey refused their return trip home.’

    I suspect the hangup is that actually deporting them involves a stop before a judge.

    And of course, since there are no legal grounds for deporting them, that’ll be the end of that.

    • Replies: @epebble
  556. epebble says:
    @Colin Wright

    I suspect the hangup is that actually deporting them involves a stop before a judge.

    Since they are on non-immigrant (F-1) visa, the received wisdom is that they have no rights at all, and Marco can just cancel their visa on a whim and ask them to go home. Analogous to declaring him/her “Persona non grata”. Even if a court appearance is needed, how hard is it to mumble, mumble “National security” and get it rubber stamped.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  557. MEH 0910 says:
    @res

    Now try going back to my same reply comment in my comment history and make a reply of your own to it there using the REPLY button. It will not show up on the closed comments page, but it will show up in your own comment history (after the currently longer waiting period). After your new reply shows up in your comment history, hit a reaction button to your own new reply make it appear on the closed comments page.

    • Replies: @res
  558. Corvinus says:
    @epebble

    “As long as there is scarcity, the best choice to make among alternatives is to pick that which has the highest marginal benefit/marginal cost”.

    Which means the continuation of federal funding for such research.

    “What is your fixation with ‘white kids’?”

    It’s not my fixation. That’s the Alt Right. I’m merely pointing out the HbD reasoning here. According to their “wisdom”, white kids are most important to our future compared to “vibrants”. Just ask RG Camara, Loyalty…, AnotherDad, Achmed, etc. If you disagree, take it up with them, not me. Just expect to be called a race traitor or anti-white… or Jewish, if you do. It’s truly bizarre.

    “If you see the medical research, it shows childhood cancers have poor outcomes in spite of advanced treatment.”

    Perhaps. Depends on the type. Although the overall survival rate for childhood cancer has significantly improved, with about 85% of children diagnosed with cancer surviving for at least 5 years, a dramatic increase from the 58% survival rate in the mid-1970’s. So maybe that is exactly why the focus ought to be on these forms of cancer.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8198981/

    —Childhood cancers are mostly of unknown etiology and represent devastating diagnoses. The clinical benefits of steadily increasing tumor control and survival rates are countered by severe and fatal health consequences from genotoxic therapies in long-term survivors of pediatric cancers. Among them, iatrogenic second primary malignancies represent the heaviest burden for the patient. Therefore, particularly in pediatric tumor patients, the reduction of genotoxic treatments and the use of targeted or immune-based oncologic strategies are of high clinical interest.—

    Furthermore…

    https://solvingkidscancer.org/blog/why-research-childhood-cancers-with-low-survival-rates/

    —Childhood cancers are all “rare diseases” as they make up only 1% of all cancers diagnosed annually. There are 16 major types of cancer that affect children, with a host of subtypes, with some types affecting just dozens or less of children per year in the U.S. This makes any childhood cancer truly ultra-rare, which presents distinct challenges for research and clinical trials to improve survival. Despite this rarity, cancer is the most common cause of disease-related death in children in developed countries.

    While there have been dramatic improvements in outcomes for some pediatric cancers[2] such as leukemia (ALL), there are some tumor types that have had no improvement in survival in decades[3], such as metastatic sarcomas and some brain tumors. Chronic and severe late effects from toxic treatments plague the survivors of cancers such as neuroblastoma, and there is a growing and urgent need to improve therapies with less toxic and novel approaches.

    Today’s research environment also contributes to the difficulty of advancing research for cancers with low survival rates. Limited availability of funds encourages competition rather than collaboration, resulting in frequently uncoordinated efforts. Some agents are advanced even when little or no benefit is demonstrated. Pre-clinical data is often not translated into clinical trials, resulting in missed opportunities to utilize novel agents, approaches, and targets. The lack of a collaborative and coordinated approach across research teams limits the impact on improved survival. One important effort to improve international collaborations is through the multi-stakeholder ACCELERATE platform[9] where Solving Kids’ Cancer serves on working groups with industry, academics, regulatory experts, and leading advocates.—

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  559. @epebble

    Since they are on non-immigrant (F-1) visa, the received wisdom is that they have no rights at all…

    When exactly did this become ‘received wisdom’? When Israel wanted to silence dissent in the US, or earlier?

    In any case, if it was true that the Secretary of State can just deport whoever he pleases without reference to the law, why doesn’t he do so?

    I suspect that it’s because in fact he can only act if he has legal authority to do so. So these individuals are being held in limbo — presumably until they agree to ask to be permitted to return home.

    The point is that of course the Secretary of State, being part of the executive branch, can only act to implement laws passed by Congress, and since no law that Congress passes can infringe on free speech, the Secretary of State has no authority to deport these individuals. He can no more deport them than you can.

    • Replies: @epebble
  560. @John Johnson

    ‘The theory that removing the Jews will create some utopia has already been tested.’

    But that wouldn’t be my theory. It might be a theory held by others, but it’s not mine.

    My theory is that there is a balance. The Jews have effectively put their thumb on one side of that balance — with catastrophic effects. I would elaborate, but if you’re really interested, read through some of my past posts.

    I don’t even particularly want to remove Jews. After all, if anyone’s responsible for Israel, it’s us, and so if that nightmare is ever to be ended, the Jews will have to come here. It’s a decided irony that the only group of immigrants I would ever argue should be admitted to the US would be Israeli Jews. Where else should they go? (although of late I’m beginning to think that maybe Somalia or the South Sudan would be more appropriate. After all, they think those places would suit the Palestinians).

    But whatever…

    The point is that Jewish influence needs to be curbed somehow. As I’ve said, I wouldn’t want an America the Mormons were able to shape to suit their preferences either — but since Mormons have an influence at least vaguely proportionate to their numbers, that’s not a real concern.

    Ditto for Jews. If Jews actually had a voice proportionate to their numbers, there wouldn’t be any particular problem.

    The trick is figuring out just how to arrange that.

  561. Brutusale says:
    @res

    Not to mention the comment search functionality going bye-bye.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @Pericles
  562. Mark G. says:
    @Corvinus

    After Elizabeth Warren said Elon Musk and the Republicans cut funding for childrens cancer research, Musk went on X and called her a liar. A stand alone bill funding childrens cancer research passed the Republican controlled House and got held up in the Democrat controlled Senate.

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1870195469315649581

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  563. Mike Tre says:
    @Brutusale

    The “next new comment” feature isn’t working, but only in the Sailer open threads.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  564. @Buzz Mohawk

    Interesting Zero Hedge article published today regarding this bit of lawfare by the authoritarian Left judiciary in France which made the DC Circuit drool with envy. I wasn’t able to post a link because I’m old and unskilled. The article went on to examine the domination of BlackRock personnel in governments across the European landscape. They figure a “limited” war with Putin and subsequent deficit military spending will cure the entropy of European populations.

  565. mc23 says:
    @Hail

    If you posted an accurate take down of Adolescence you could probably be accused of a Hate Crime in Great Britain. Talk about the ratchet moving only one way. If one didn’t have a conscience about violence, White nationalists would suggest native British violence will shortly rise to overwhelming levels.

  566. @Colin Wright

    No, there are WAY more than 10 million illegal aliens here, first of all. It was probably near 30 million BEFORE the Bai Dien invited surge, so likely over 40 million right now.

    The solution to not making the whole thing into a 1st Amendment issue is to deport people fairly. Green card? So what? Almost all of the students who come, minus some Europeans and such, are scamming to get a green card and stay for good. Enough of that.

    Yes, kick out the first bunch of the 40 million at a SERIOUS rate, and the rest will self-deport*. In the meantime, stop the student visa scam (on the Chinese side this will result in less lost IP and spying) and kick all Nationals out of National Labs while we’re at it. Then, terminate the H1B and other work visa programs with extreme prejudice.

    I don’t take the whole thing lightly. That’s been the problem for the last half a century, half-assed measures from half-assed people.

    .

    * Operation Wetback had a 6-9 x factor of self- via forced- deportations

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  567. @John Johnson

    I gotta admit it, that was a very good comment. I’ve seen the people in question. The nice White ladies of the PTO (formerly PTA) run their own show. Of course they get ideas from media which does have a big Jewish influence.

    However, they’ve got their pecking order with the MILF who dresses best and is involved in the most activities being looked up to by the others. I’m not knocking what they do for the kids until a time comes for well, the decisions men should be making. The whole Kung Flu PanicFest was a great example of why women should not be in charge of anything bigger than the PTO. I had it out with one of them when I tossed my stupid face mask into the bushes.

    They do not like to push back against The System, whatever the current system is. It’s rude, and you’re creepy if you’re a guy and don’t go along.

    I do a lot of linking to my site, Mr. Johnson, but that’s because I’ve about said it all there. Let me link you to this story in which I tell a neighbor she might not like it if blacks were to move into this new apartment building very nearby the “leafy neighborhood”. (Really, there ARE lots of trees.) Since you likely won’t click, the “punchline”, as it were, was this perfectly intelligent Mom of 3 telling me, (in private, mind you) in reply “I”d LOVE to have Black! neighbors!” That’s quite the blatant fib, but was the fib to me or to herself?

  568. @John Johnson

    I gotta add this though, but we’ve been through this before. I don’t think your whole overview of Libertarians is sound. (Ever read Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, and those type of Constitutionalists?)

    Secondly, your take on the GOP standards like El Rushbo is off slightly, IMO. Rush likely really knew that an America society with too many black people will not work. However, his and others points about the evil of the Welfare State are not wrong. That 75% of black boys grow up without Dads IS important. It’s just not the whole story.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  569. @Achmed E. Newman

    ‘…I don’t take the whole thing lightly. That’s been the problem for the last half a century, half-assed measures from half-assed people.’

    But you are allowing yourself to be taken for a ride.

    This is Iraq all over again. The Jews are taking your outrage — and diverting it to where it can serve Jews.

    Illegals, shmillegals. What we need to do is set an example for those who dare to criticize Jewish crimes!

    Twenty million illegals will wind up staying — but anybody on a green card who made the mistake of thinking they had freedom of speech will be gone. You can take that to the bank.

  570. Anon[419] • Disclaimer says:

    I love how Trump is vandalizing woke-captured orgs like Columbia, and now perhaps Harvard. Destroy or neuter them, then rebuild. This is exactly what I was hoping for when I voted for Trump.
    .
    My only criticism is that it is being done under the pretext of ‘anti-Semitism’, instead of the real problem of anti-white, anti-male, anti-normalism. But, whatever it takes.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  571. Mark G. says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “I don’t think your whole overview of libertarians is sound.”

    A 2013 PRRI survey of libertarians found that they had less warm feelings for immigrants than the general public. The same survey found more libertarians vote for the Republican party than the Libertarian party. Therefore, the Libertarian party is not representative of the views of libertarians as a whole.

    https://www.prri.org/research/2013-american-values-survey/

    I have pointed this out to John a couple of times in the past but he keeps portraying most libertarians as a bunch of open borders fanatics. I just do not have time to keep repeating something over and over to someone.

    Mises, Rothbard, Hayek and Friedman all opposed open borders. The other big name among libertarians, Ayn Rand, was pro-immigration. That, though, was because she was an immigrant and she saw immigrants as being people much like herself, wanting to come to the land of freedom. If she were alive today, she would probably be against bringing in third world immigrants unlikely ever to become productive tax paying citizens. She would be for letting the Elon Musk types immigrate here.

  572. epebble says:
    @Colin Wright

    Looks like they are facing a judge after all:

    Judge says Trump administration can’t deport Georgetown University fellow
    https://www.weny.com/story/52592383/judge-says-trump-administration-cant-deport-georgetown-university-fellow

    Turkish student detained in US should not be deported for now, judge orders
    https://news.sky.com/story/turkish-student-detained-in-us-should-not-be-deported-for-now-judge-orders-13337667

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  573. @epebble

    Looks like they are facing a judge after all:

    But can Ms. Adelson be made to understand?

    We could give her back her money.

    Wouldn’t I and the Mrs’ share come to $0.63 or something? We’ll pony up.

    • Replies: @epebble
  574. @Colin Wright

    The Jews are taking your outrage — and diverting it to where it can serve Jews.

    I get that, but I think it’s you that’s the one falling for something. The issue is being turned into a free speech and Police State issue. That will halt deportations of any of foreign students going forward. Better we should move forward and say this program will become more of a “comprehensive” (haha) program.

    No, Trump & Co should not be detaining them, just revoking visas or even Green Cards, so they can leave through normal channels.

    Also can you embrace the power of “AND”, Colin? It’s been too slow a start for my tastes, but illegal aliens are being deported (just as importantly, as the border is being much more locked down by troops).

    I wouldn’ t take it to the bank, but I do get your point.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  575. @Mike Tre

    Occam’s Eraser: Ron pulled too hard unplugging Sailer’s moderation software.

  576. @Mark G.

    I have pointed this out to John a couple of times in the past but he keeps portraying most libertarians as a bunch of open borders fanatics. I just do not have time to keep repeating something over and over to someone.

    Well the libertarians of the libertarian party hold an annual referendum and they continue to support open borders.

    You are free to petition them and you can in fact join the libertarian party if you want to argue that they shouldn’t support open borders, legal fentanyl, full auto machine guns for felons or 9 month abortions.

    All the above is part of the libertarian party platform that you can verify:
    https://lp.org/platform-page/

    You can continue to provide us with the True Libertarian Scotsman argument but that doesn’t change the platform or that thousands of members vote on it annually.

    The libertarian party is mostly White men and they believe that legal fentanyl and open borders to the third world will improve America. That is what Ayn Rand preached and continues to be part of the platform[1]. Over a million men whose beliefs amount to Because Rand hath decreed it. Who ever knew that so many White men would get on their knees for a bitch atheist. Oh and she not only mocked Christianity but also charitable giving.

    [1] Rand provided a borders exemption for Israel but not America or Western Europe

    If she were alive today, she would probably be against bringing in third world immigrants unlikely ever to become productive tax paying citizens.

    That would conflict with her ideology that clearly states it would be collectivist for the home country to set any restrictions of foreign individuals. That means limitless immigration from the third world. The libertarian party platform in fact echos her basis of open borders.

    She is also on record stating that human traits are not tied to chemistry. That was of course validated as incorrect with the discovery of DNA.

    Instead of getting upset with me for sourcing a verifiable political platform you should try working within the party if you think they should change.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  577. HA says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “…the US should withdraw from NATO. We should withdraw anyway…What are you waiting for, coward? Arm yourself and get in the fight already…”

    Ah, and here we see again the Putin stooge (as evidenced by his spewing out the usual Putin line on what the US should do with regard to NATO) doubling down on his Putin stoogery by telling me what I should do.

    Oh, that’s a tough one — should I take a Putin stooge’s advice and do what he says? Oh, it’s a real head-scratcher!

    Nah, on second thought, I’ll stick with the stuff already on my task list, specifically the part directed “against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”. And that means you, little weasel. Deal with it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Mark G.
  578. @Mark G.

    A 2013 PRRI survey of libertarians found that they had less warm feelings for immigrants than the general public. The same survey found more libertarians vote for the Republican party than the Libertarian party. Therefore, the Libertarian party is not representative of the views of libertarians as a whole.

    That is what was claimed in the article but I went over the data and that isn’t what the study shows.

    It was a poll of mostly non-libertarians:

    IF INDEPENDENT OR OTHER [PARTY=3,4], ASK [N=805]:
    PARTYLN As of today do you lean more towards the Republican Party or more
    towards the Democratic Party?

    37 Republican
    37 Democrat
    21 Other [SPECIFY]
    4 Refused
    100 Total

    The professor doesn’t provide a data set that backs his claim. The sample size would in fact be too small to make assumptions about libertarians.

    Also look at this question:
    Senator Rand Paul

    6 Very favorable
    19 Mostly favorable
    24 Mostly unfavorable
    15 Very unfavorable
    32 Have not heard of
    4 Refused
    100 Total

    Most polled were clearly not libertarians.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  579. Mr. Anon says:
    @HA

    Ah, and here we see again the Putin stooge (as evidenced by his spewing out the usual Putin line on what the US should do with regard to NATO) doubling down on his Putin stoogery by telling me what I should do.

    The usual lazy lie about “Putin stooges”. So an American citizen doesn’t get an opinion on what his country’s foreign policy should be? Well, then………F**k you.

    Nah, on second thought, I’ll stick with the stuff already on my task list, specifically the part directed “against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”. And that means you, little weasel. Deal with it.

    We don’t even know if you are an American citizen. I suspect that you are not. You won’t just come out and say you are. You don’t just come out and say anything definitively. You’re a shifty, deceitful prick with tendencies towards totalitarianism. As far as I’m concerned you’re the enemy, you despicable piece of s**t.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  580. epebble says:
    @Colin Wright

    My guess about how this will proceed is, lower court and circuit court may put roadblocks based on 1A, but then it will reach SCOTUS. They will use the “deference to the POTUS on matters of ‘National security’” and green light the deportation. This is the general rubric whenever alien + Constitutional rights + ‘National security’ fuse together.

  581. Mark G. says:
    @John Johnson

    “you should try working within the party”

    No, like many libertarians I understand that third parties do not do well here because of the way the American political system is designed. We have a winner take all system rather than a proportional representation system like some European countries have. Such countries often have multiple parties.

    Since our political system leads to two parties, libertarians have to pick the lesser of two evils, vote for a third party that can’t win or stay home on election day. As the link I provided in my last last comment shows, a majority of libertarians vote Republican, having decided it is the best option. Anyone is welcome to look at the data provided there:

    https://www.prri.org/research/2013-american-values-survey/

  582. Mark G. says:
    @HA

    Apparently, the New York Times has concluded the Ukraine war is lost since they have just published an article trying to shift the blame for the loss from the Biden administration over to the Ukrainians. Basically the argument is the genius Americans came up with a winning strategy but the Ukrainians were too dumb or too stubborn to follow orders. Yes, the Times is actually trying to argue that the Ukrainians did not appreciate the intellectual brilliance of Joe Biden, Mark Milley, affirmative action hire Lloyd Austin and so on.

    • Thanks: Kaganovitch
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @MEH 0910
    , @HA
  583. @Achmed E. Newman

    ‘I get that, but I think it’s you that’s the one falling for something. The issue is being turned into a free speech and Police State issue. That will halt deportations of any of foreign students going forward. Better we should move forward and say this program will become more of a “comprehensive” (haha) program…’

    And I think that once we move away from the rule of the law, we’ll discover it to be difficult to get back again.

    Deporting illegals is one thing. By definition, they have no right to be here. But if someone was legally admitted, you have to have constitutionally defensible grounds for deporting them. That last has emphatically not been the case.

  584. @Mark G.

    ‘…A 2013 PRRI survey of libertarians found that they had less warm feelings for immigrants than the general public. The same survey found more libertarians vote for the Republican party than the Libertarian party. Therefore, the Libertarian party is not representative of the views of libertarians as a whole…’

    Your ‘therefore’ there isn’t convincing. The Libertarians in question may merely have not wanted to throw away their vote. After all, in 2000, those who voted for Nader probably wound up putting Bush over the top.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  585. Mark G. says:
    @Colin Wright

    “The libertarians in question may merely not have wanted to throw their vote away.”

    Yes, they voted for a major party for that reason. They could have joined the other major party, the Democrats, though, for that same reason. The survey I linked to, however, found about 45% of libertarians identify as Republican and only 5% as Democrat. This is pretty lopsidedly in favor of the Republicans, which indicates they believe more in Republican values. The survey found about 10% of libertarians identify with the Libertarian party, with the rest being other third party or independent.

    This does not surprise me. Libertarians are more likely to be White and male, two groups that tend to vote Republican. There are more libertarian leaning politicians in the Republican party than the Democrat party. The Republican Liberty Caucus puts out yearly rankings of how libertarian Republican Congressmen are, with politicians like Rand Paul and Thomas Massie at the top. There is no Democrat Liberty Caucus.

    https://rlc.org/

    Back when I was in college decades ago I read a book by George Nash about the conservative movement since 1945. According to Nash, the modern day conservative movement that developed after 1945 was made up of three groups: economic libertarians, social conservatives and foreign policy hawks. These groups have formed an alliance but do not always get along with each other and each group tries to be the dominant member of the alliance. In recent years, the foreign policy hawks have been losing power within the coalition and some of them have migrated over to the Democrats.

  586. @Kaganovitch

    Don’t sheep have folds?

    “The Assyrian came down like a wolf on the fold”

    • Replies: @Kaganovitch
  587. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    PLEASE DIE ON THIS HILL. PLEASE TELL EVERYONE HOW JACK KENNEDY — NOT ADOLF HITLER, NOT LYNDON JOHNSON, NOT RICHARD NIXON, BUT JACK KENNEDY — IS YOUR NEMESIS, AND YOU BAGGED HIM WITHOUT TRYING TOO HARD, AND NOW YOYR DAMAGE CONTROL CONSISTS OF ARGUING THAT THE KENNEDIES WERE REALLY NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL. PLEASE.

  588. Pericles says:
    @Brutusale

    I’d like to suggest that all of these issues be brought into the “Bugs & Suggestions” thread (visible on the front page), so that Unz gets to see them and can fix them.

  589. @YetAnotherAnon

    Indeed they do but not paddocks.

  590. @J.Ross

    Eh, this is a shoddy piece of work. Also looks to be 10 years old at least. Just a random example; Microsoft is trading at $375 rather than $25.

  591. J.Ross says:
    @Mark G.

    In defense of (sigh) the Times, it objectively did happen at least ten times that the Ukrainians came up with something completely insane, like destroying the pipeline or the Kursk misadventure, and the Americans like Milley were all like no don’t do that, and Zaluzhny was like, yeah, no we gaan.

  592. @J.Ross

    Too much ‘Zero Hedge’ is making you EXCITABLE. Jack’s point is not that the Kennedy assassination is insignificant, but that the Jewish/Israeli connection thereto is entirely fanciful. Now, you may disagree with him and think the connection is strong but that’s another matter.

  593. Mike Tre says:
    @Colin Wright

    “Twenty million illegals will wind up staying — but anybody on a green card who made the mistake of thinking they had freedom of speech will be gone. You can take that to the bank. ”

    Don’t care. they had no right or reason to be here in the first place. How about this, if you prefer Palestinians to whites, why don’t you go to Palestine?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  594. MEH 0910 says:
    @Mark G.

    Apparently, the New York Times has concluded the Ukraine war is lost since they have just published an article trying to shift the blame for the loss from the Biden administration over to the Ukrainians.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/29/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-wiesbaden.html
    Archived link: https://archive.is/3Jfl8

    The Partnership: The Secret History of the War in Ukraine
    This is the untold story of America’s hidden role in Ukrainian military operations against Russia’s invading armies.
    By Adam Entous
    March 29, 2025

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/30/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-takeaways.html
    Archived link: https://archive.is/hcBbE

    Key Takeaways From America’s Secret Military Partnership With Ukraine
    An investigation by The New York Times has revealed that America was woven into the war far more than previously known.
    By Adam Entous
    March 30, 2025

  595. @Hail

    Why does Sailer hate Trump so much? As someone here said, Sailer seemed almost disappointed when he survived the attempt on his life. Sailer never expressed this much sass towards Biden or Obama. He rather liked those fellows.

    The Mr. Show skit was mocking White conservative Christian types by portraying them as dumb yahoos that can easily be turned into a dangerous mob (which fits the beliefs of the writers of the show. David Cross is a super anti-white liberal). This is smug liberals on display almost 30 years ago.

    • Disagree: Hail
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  596. Moshe Def says:
    @Colin Wright

    TLDR version: By definition, in a High Trust Society, most people are NPCs

  597. Moshe Def says:
    @J.Ross

    Indian poople are a Flesh Suit for a Microbial Hivemind in the Gut
    These are their Shitgods
    It is a Religion of Shit
    Shitniggers are thus vegetarian
    They don’t even eat any of the stray dogs or cows or goats that they have roaming around
    This is to maximize the total volume of Shit
    Eating vegetables/fiber increases jeet Shit
    And, of course, not eating meat leaves the animals alive to further Shit
    Shit for the Shitgods
    That’s why everything revolves around Shit for them
    (SH)IT IS WHAT THEY ARE
    They should be declared a Biological Weapon and banned from the Western Hemisphere

    https://odysee.com/@Minnesota-tan:5/Codex-Pajeet-II:4?t=%7Bseek_to_second_number%7D

  598. @Colin Wright

    We have already moved well away from the rule-of-law-not-men. I know you were paying attention the last 4 years. If/when the ctrl-left takes power again, the rule-of-law will be ignored gooder and harder.

    There’s no violation of rule-of-law when these student visas are revoked anyway. There’s a difference between immigrant- and non-immigrant visas. Try raising hell and blocking buildings in protest of the CCP in China as an American foreign student. You’ll be just lucky if you’re out on your ass on a plane with the week.

    But if someone was legally admitted, you have to have constitutionally defensible grounds for deporting them.

    They’re guests is all. Expelling visitors happens time and again. America has got to stop being “exceptional’ in things like this.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  599. @John Johnson

    This is why the Murray/Sailer approach always cracked me up. As if White teachers and administrators in these areas just needed a couple graphs and charts.

    Maybe pie charts would work! Yep, Teachers are Preachers of PC Dogma.

    This approach shows that Murray types haven’t been in the thick of it

    Very true. Although, Murray recently flashed anger at Tom Hanks for pushing an anti-white trope on SNL. Maybe he finally got out on the streets.

    We still have posters at Unz that seem to think the White liberal women of cities like DC are all brainwashed

    It’s hard for a lot of White guys to accept that not every White babygirl is a sweet thing with heart of gold. The whole Pedestal thing. Most White women are great, but there is a strong minority that are just rancid. Get away from them. Do not attempt to “reform”.

  600. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Why does Sailer hate Trump so much?

    Trump is low-brow. Steve Sailer is a Peacetime Consigliere. He’s too high-brow, civil, and reasonable to understand that being high-brow, civil, and reasonable do not work with the enemy we have. Hey, it’s not like we haven’t tried all that, for half a century!

  601. @Colin Wright

    Deporting illegals is one thing. By definition, they have no right to be here. But if someone was legally admitted, you have to have constitutionally defensible grounds for deporting them. That last has emphatically not been the case.

    Who has been “unconstitutionally” deported? So far as I know, all detainees and deportees have been handled according to due process, with relevant established law being cited by the Trump administration.

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Colin Wright
  602. @Achmed E. Newman

    Okay, but Biden wasn’t high-brow or civil. And Sailer dug him.

    Hey, it’s not like we haven’t tried all that, for half a century!

    Be NICE harder! Our moral vanity matters more than results, right?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  603. @Achmed E. Newman

    Samuel T Francis did a great job of addressing this whole “beautiful loser” thing among conservatives. ChatGPT actually summed it up pretty good:

    Samuel T. Francis used the phrase “beautiful losers” to describe conservatives who, in his view, cared more about preserving moral and intellectual purity than actually winning political fights. He argued that they took pride in losing gracefully, valuing abstract principles over practical power, and as a result, remained politically ineffective. Francis believed this mindset left conservatism stuck in a cycle of noble defeat, unable or unwilling to challenge the left in any real way.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  604. @duncsbaby

    Thank you. I am glad someone enjoyed the story. It’s going on my blog, along with a story about the Neilson ratings for radio. You did not read that wrong – radio. Ha! The funny part will be where I have to put SOMETHING about listening to some radio somewhere in these diaries – got 5 of them, and they’re paying me – so it’ll be like:

    Thursday – 3:30 P: Pulled up next to some ghetto thug with his window open by the stop light. The “music” was crap. I don’t know what station it was. I rolled up my window. Total listening time, 8 seconds.

  605. Mark G. says:
    @John Johnson

    “It was a poll of mostly non-libertarians”

    No, it included looking at the subset of libertarians too. Among them 45% are Republicans, 5% Democrats, 35% Independents and 15% third party. Among the third party members, two thirds were Libertarian party members. As for sample sizes being too small, it is certainly better than you just saying something based on nothing but your own subjective opinion.

    John, if I make a comment it is better if you consolidate your response into one reply rather than expecting me to carry on a conversation with you on multiple comment threads. I have already been through all this before with you yet you continue to spew out misinformation and engage in dishonesty and obfuscation. You need to acknowledge that most libertarians are not in the Libertarian party and, therefore, the Libertarian party does not represent the views of most libertarians.

  606. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Whaddya’ mean? Bai Dien was a polished 52 year veteran Washington politician. You CAN polish a turd, don’t ever let ’em tell ya’ otherwise.

    I don’t think Sailer dug Bai Dien though. OTOH, he’s way too civl to have called him “Dark Brandon”. As for Øb☭ma, he never used names and Commie lettering, but Mr. Sailer did write an unflattering book about him.

    R.I.P. Sam Francis. It’s been about 20 years – I think I read most of what I read from him on VDare after his passing.

  607. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    But… women do tend to “go along to get along”. So back in the bad old 50s days the complaint, certainly in the UK, was that women were too conservative – because the overarching culture was conservative.

    Now the culture is woke, and that’s what they follow. Always exceptions of course, but that’s the tendency.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  608. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    Thanks for putting words in my mouth that I never said.

    And your cap key is stuck. Nothing like all caps to make you sound even more insane than you already are.

    There is no connection between Israel and the JFK assassination whatsoever. Zero. The alleged connections were dreamed up by Arab antisemites and are a complete fiction.

    • Replies: @Corpse Tooth
  609. epebble says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Other than the tattoo infested folks, DHS seems hesitant to send the thought criminals home. The only one who was terrorized into self-deporting was Ms. Ranjani Srinivasan, a Ph.D. student from Columbia.

  610. Jack D says:
    @Colin Wright

    You are only a legal immigrant for so long as the Sec. of State has not revoked your status, which he can do on grounds of the interests of US foreign policy and national security which only he (and not a judge) gets to determine. Once your status is revoked now you are an illegal immigrant subject to deportation.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  611. Department of “Don’t Say I Never Did Nuthin For Ya” Dept. ….

    Here, for the dining and dancing pleasure of you cavemen, is the incomparable Martha Argerich performing the incomparable Schumann Piano Concerto in A Minor. Just so you understand, the pinnacle of the form is reached in the final six Mozart piano concertos, about more which later; and there are a couple of relative equals, this one by Schumann, another one by Brahms, probably one or two more that I somehow don’t know about. Knock yourselves out, knuckleheads.

    • Replies: @anon
  612. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    There were (and are) language groups but with varying degrees of mutual intelligibility within groups. For example, before Italian was standardized based on the Florentine dialect and Dante’s writings, the Venetian dialect and the Sicilian dialect and Florentine would have been more or less mutually unintelligible despite both being based on Latin originally. In France you had regional languages such as Breton that are TOTALLY different than French.

    While there are language groups, language is not some binary thing. Especially in the pre-modern world, dialects were very localized so you had THOUSANDS of languages/dialects all across Europe, even WITHIN each language group. Yes, either it was a Slavic or a Germanic or whatever group language ( BTW, the language did not necessarily respond to your underlying ethnicity but often to the language of the conquerors – e.g. the English are a Celtic people speaking a Germanic/Normal French language.) From one village to the next the dialect might be 99% intelligible but by the time you got 100 miles away it was 80% intelligible and 500 miles away two villagers would barely be able to understand each other even though they were both speaking a “Romance” language. (BTW we see this in America – NY and Philly are less than 100 miles apart but they both have very distinctive regional accents and 100 miles NE of NY people have a New England accent and local slang.)

    And you had all sorts of crazy mixed up languages especially on islands where people were either isolated of frequently conquered. For example Maltese is Semitic language derived from late medieval Sicilian Arabic (but written in Roman letters), but with significant influence from Italian and English.

    For example, here is a map of the Romance languages (languages plural). These people are all speaking “Latin” (despite most of them not being of Roman ancestry):

    As you can see, it’s a hugely complicated picture and nothing like your oversimplified imaginary world of linguistic purity before the Joos showed up and toppled the Tower of Babel in which all good white Europeans spoke the same language.

  613. @Colin Wright

    ‘We still have posters at Unz that seem to think the White liberal women of cities like DC are all brainwashed by Jewish propaganda. As if White women in those areas have no idea that race exists and believe everything they see on TV.’

    In a sense they don’t have any idea race exists, and do accept everything they see on TV.

    No that is incorrect.

    You can’t live in a city like DC and believe that race doesn’t exist. It isn’t possible.

    White liberal women of DC will watch TV shows about race but they know full well it is fantasy.

    I really wonder if you have even lived in one of these areas. Race becomes as obvious as the sun. DC in fact has de facto segregated bars. The “wine bars” have a specific purpose which is to give liberal White women a safe space.

    There are really just two types of liberals:
    1. The ones that know
    2. The ones that don’t know

    White liberal women in the burbs fully buy into what they see on television.

    White liberal women that work in a city like DC and interact with the public are fully aware that TV lies. They of course support the lies for the sake of society but privately they don’t actually believe it.

    Being around Blacks in a Black area will completely wreck any illusions. It’s impossible to believe that race is just skin color. Completely impossible.

    Most Whites even at Unz have not been in Black areas. They have been around mulattoes that have basically been vetted by polite society.

    We WANT blacks to be equal to the rest of us, reasonably competent, trustworthy, etc. We’re positively grateful if one actually is.

    Projecting your White ideals on Blacks to me shows a lack of experience. You haven’t seen the full side of nature.

    Describing what you want from Blacks to me is like visiting a beach and saying it would be nice if there wasn’t seaweed or at least maybe we can pick some of it up for this section. Maybe we can pick up seaweed and there won’t be as much in the morning.

  614. @Jack D

    Joos – is there anything (bad) that they DIDN’T do?

    Point taken — but you have to agree that for a group making up 0.2% of humanity, Jews have done a great deal, even if they aren’t responsible for depleted salmon runs. After all, imagine Mennonites stalking through world history, or even Gypsies (who are a dreadful nuisance but really quite limited in their impact).

    We’ve got a lot of Mennonites around here, and let me tell you, they are a plague. (I’m being sarcastic.)

  615. @John Johnson

    ‘…Being around Blacks in a Black area will completely wreck any illusions. It’s impossible to believe that race is just skin color. Completely impossible.’

    Check with Corvinus on that one.

    More seriously, people do notice things with one eye, and pretend — even to themselves — that they don’t see it with the other. Mothers think their children aren’t coming home stoned every day, men pretend another man isn’t physically intimidating them (I love it when people pull that tacit physical intimidation number), wives pretend they don’t know their husbands are cheating on them.

    As with the more general case of accepting what others tell us reality is rather than believing the evidence of our lying eyes, it’s a survival mechanism. It can fall apart, making grist for innumerable melodramas, but this does go on — all the time. It’s how we live with each other.

    So yeah. Women can see what blacks are — and tell themselves they don’t. They may not be such fools as to feed their children to them — they’ll make sure that the town they move to has ‘good schools’ — but they will never, ever enunciate the truth of the matter, even to themselves. After all, think ‘nigger,’ and you might accidentally say ‘nigger.’ Some lies, you need to tell to yourself above all.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  616. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    We still have posters at Unz that seem to think the White liberal women of cities like DC are all brainwashed

    It’s hard for a lot of White guys to accept that not every White babygirl is a sweet thing with heart of gold. The whole Pedestal thing. Most White women are great, but there is a strong minority that are just rancid. Get away from them. Do not attempt to “reform”.

    I have a good wife and I have been around some very talented White women that are far more useful than the average White man. In fact I have come across some very interesting secretly dissenting women that actually despise the system and also the women around them.

    It’s a delicate subject for that reason.

    But I have been around a lot of college educated liberal White women and in a city like DC they fully know they are lying and yet support “the cause” with a smiling face. They in fact excel at maintaining a completely fake persona around what they know is false reality. They are certainly not doe eyed innocent creatures that have been tricked by Jews or television. This is quite obvious in how they simply move around a city or who they choose for company. They take Ubers for a 5 block trip and their friends “just happen” to be all White except for maybe one half Indian mulatto. They are not skipping around Black areas at night as if their life is a diversity musical.

    I think they are also less likely to have emotional burden over their contradictory beliefs when compared to White male liberals. In fact I don’t think they care at all if their beliefs don’t add up. If they get the job or husband they desire then they will repeat any line for the system. Their unspoken attitude is Well of course we lie about race. What else would we do? Tell the truth? They have zero problems with maintaining a massive lie and would ship every single poster here off to diversity education camps. Then they would go have drinks at an all-White wine bar and talk about their favorite Netflix show.

  617. @Achmed E. Newman

    We have already moved well away from the rule-of-law-not-men. I know you were paying attention the last 4 years. If/when the ctrl-left takes power again, the rule-of-law will be ignored gooder and harder.

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. If we’ve moved away from the rule of the law, that’s not a reason to move further away still. If I weigh 243, that’s not a reason to say ‘to hell with it,’ and aim for 400.

    There’s no violation of rule-of-law when these student visas are revoked anyway. There’s a difference between immigrant- and non-immigrant visas. Try raising hell and blocking buildings in protest of the CCP in China as an American foreign student. You’ll be just lucky if you’re out on your ass on a plane with the week.

    I’m skeptical of that. If it were true, surely you could cite examples. Aside from your putative Chinese, Turks of Armenian extraction causing problems, Irishmen born in the U.K. doing IRA-type things?

    But if someone was legally admitted, you have to have constitutionally defensible grounds for deporting them.

    They’re guests is all. Expelling visitors happens time and again. America has got to stop being “exceptional’ in things like this.

    So if you want, amend the Constitution. There’s a mechanism for that. As of right now, it’s legally impossible to deport someone for exercising their right to free speech — a right which is enjoyed by anyone physically in the United States, without regard to their citizenship.

  618. @John Johnson

    ‘Projecting your White ideals on Blacks to me shows a lack of experience. You haven’t seen the full side of nature.’

    Umm. It would be pretty hard to have had more experience with blacks than I have had. I suppose I could have been raised as a white adoptee in a black ghetto family, but short of that…

  619. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Who has been “unconstitutionally” deported? So far as I know, all detainees and deportees have been handled according to due process, with relevant established law being cited by the Trump administration.

    We’ve been through that. If the relevant established law is interpreted so as to infringe on the right to free speech, that interpretation would be unconstitutional. Reread the First Amendment if you have any further questions.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  620. @J.Ross

    I haven’t dug into the beefs the Zionists had with JFK. However, James Jesus Angleton’s exceptionally close relationship with Mossad and with Zionism in general is a good trail to explore. Even if the killing of the American president was not an Israeli operation, Angleton’s involvement is well documented. JFK’s murder plot was hatched in Allen Dulles’s Georgetown mansion with Angleton doing the bidding of his dark arts godfather.

  621. @Colin Wright

    I’m skeptical of that. If it were true, surely you could cite examples.

    There are no examples, Colin, because nobody is stupid enough to do that!

    I should add “ungrateful”, because that gets to my next point. It is perfectly legal to deport visitors for ANYTHING. I don’t that they speak out against Israel or whomever should be the reason. However, when foreign students get involved in any political actions, why would we put up with it? You would simply not get away with that in any non-Western (as in, SERIOUS) country. Ungrateful mofos, that’s what they are. No Amendment is required for the actions of the State Dept. in revoking visas.

    (Hell, the State Department was full of Commies supporting Communism around the world for a few decades there, until Ike took over… and then some. It’d be nice if the “State” in “State Department” meant this country.)

    Now, even citizens can be deported, were they naturalized on false pretenses. This is why CongressRagHead Ilhan Omar (D-SO) can and should be deported. Peak Stupidity agrees (because I write the posts) – DEPORT OMAR.

    Watch this, and see what treason is like. (At least she mentions our President.)

  622. @Jack D

    Even if the Zionists weren’t involved operationally a connection exists in the form of James Jesus Angleton. Angleton, who had his own connections with the post war Nazi survival groups like Odessa, Die Spinne, and the Bormann Brotherhood, became a committed Zionist after the war. He was actively involved in helping Israel’s nascent atomic weapons program getting up and running.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  623. @Colin Wright

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. If we’ve moved away from the rule of the law, that’s not a reason to move further away still. If I weigh 243, that’s not a reason to say ‘to hell with it,’ and aim for 400.

    Your analogy doesn’t make sense to me. Here’s a better one:

    You are about to be dragged out of your house by Paul Pot’s men because you wear glasses and THE LAW says that intellectuals like you should be shot. It’s also illegal for citizens to own weapons. Therefore, you better not shoot back with your AR, because, you know, 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

    Are you going to be thinking along these same lines when “our” ctrl-left Commies have you lined up in front of a ditch?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  624. @Colin Wright

    Turks of Armenian extraction causing problems, Irishmen born in the U.K. doing IRA-type things.

    Well, are they visiting scholars?

  625. @Jack D

    We’ve been through that. If the relevant law is interpreted so as to infringe on the right to free speech, that interpretation would be unconstitutional. Reread the First Amendment if you have any further questions.

    Beyond that, Jack, I’ll point out some salient facts.

    This perversion of the law is fairly obviously being promoted by Miriam Adelson, her protege Marco Rubio, Canary Mission, Betar, and other odious elements determined to stifle criticism of Israel — even when it’s purely a matter of exercising the right to free speech. It also goes far beyond just the deportation cases — as you know full well. It’s a full-spectrum attempt to force colleges to silence criticism of Israel. At the same time, I don’t see you calling for the deportation of that Israeli academic at Columbia who was spraying people with noxious fluids, or those Persian Jewish thugs at UCLA who were simply assaulting people — clearly criminal activities in no way simply exercises of the their rights under the First Amendment.

    And you effectively support this. And ‘this’ amounts to eroding our freedom as Americans. And then you moan when people decry the influence of Jews in America.

    For fuck’s sake, look in the mirror. Look at what you represent. We should just smile and nod and let you get on with it?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  626. @Colin Wright

    So yeah. Women can see what blacks are — and tell themselves they don’t. They may not be such fools as to feed their children to them — they’ll make sure that the town they move to has ‘good schools’ — but they will never, ever enunciate the truth of the matter, even to themselves. After all, think ‘nigger,’ and you might accidentally say ‘nigger.’ Some lies, you need to tell to yourself above all.

    I think you are denial of how acutely aware White women in a city like DC are aware of race. They aren’t lying to themselves or trying to live a fantasy. They fully support lying to the rest of America but they aren’t walking around DC with thoughts like well gosh just a few more Democrat programs and I’ll bet we will get this city cleaned up.

    To be clear I am not talking about White women that live in the burbs and maybe venture into the city on occasion or manage to work a job where they are isolated.

    I mean the college educated White liberal woman that is in the thick of it. Social workers, nurses, educators, etc. Saying they lie to themselves in DC is like suggesting the people of Alaska lie to themselves about it being cold. Race completely mocks any beliefs you try to maintain. It in fact mocks liberal beliefs in ways that liberals never imagine. Race isn’t something that just shows up in test scores and news articles.

    The proof is in who promotes race-denial based programs. It was Bill Gates that heavily invested in charter schools based on the libertarian claim that the public schools “hold back” Black students with big government or low standards. Those plans are never supported by liberal White women in the cities. It is always White outsiders that lament gaps in the schools and argue about how to fix them. It’s White people that haven’t been in the trenches. Some wealthy libertarian who reads a few articles on the internet and thinks 20 million into charter schools should fix it. As if thousands of White female teachers are complete big government idiots that just aren’t trying. White women in these areas know full well that they are lying but also don’t make appeals to equal outcomes. That is always from some do-gooder that lives upstate. It’s always outside Whites that declare equal outcomes must exist. White liberal women in these areas roll their eyes. It just shows naivety.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  627. HA says:
    @Mark G.

    “Apparently, the New York Times has concluded the Ukraine war is lost…”

    I missed that part. And you’re a big believer in NYTimes conclusions all of a sudden?

    As I see it, the article describes, in some detail, how the Americans have been chock full of helpful advice that the Ukrainians repeatedly chose to ignore. I wonder if there was anything in those helpful directives that the reporters might have overlooked? As in, “Here, why don’t you Ukrainians do these cool NATO-esque moves but without the benefit of NATO-esque air cover on which NATO-esque maneuvers depend)? Minor omissions, I’m guessing, but assuming they amount to something more, I wonder whether it was the Ukrainians or the Americans who were the “sources” for this analysis?

    And anyway the “takeaways” article begins with the phrase “The war in Ukraine is at an inflection point…”, which is a curious phrase to use if anyone has claimed the war is lost. So I’m thinking you made up that part, and maybe don’t know what inflection point means.

    Moreover, the so-called inflection point is the result of “Trump seeking rapprochement with the Russian leader, Vladimir V. Putin, and pressing for an end to the fighting”. How well is that working out? Let’s check the headlines:

    the Kremlin “cannot accept” American proposals…

    Apparently, not that well. So much for ending the war in 24 hours, or even in 3 months. I presume Trump’s response will be to blame the negotiators for being too hard on Russia, and saying the West should bend over harder, but in the meantime the war will continue.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @res
  628. @Achmed E. Newman

    There are no examples, Colin, because nobody is stupid enough to do that!

    Exercise their right to free speech?

    However, when foreign students get involved in any political actions, why would we put up with it?

    As long as they confine themselves to free speech, we put up with it because we have to. For reasons I’ve already stated several times.

    • Replies: @res
  629. @Achmed E. Newman

    ‘..Now, even citizens can be deported, were they naturalized on false pretenses. This is why CongressRagHead Ilhan Omar (D-SO) can and should be deported…’

    I suspect the main argument for deporting Ilhan Omar is that the Jews can’t beat her at the polls.

    And the Jews can’t beat her at the polls because a majority of her constituents like her.

    Doesn’t democracy suck? But more seriously, do you really want to head down the road of finding some other way of getting rid of every elected representative you can’t beat at the polls?

    Be careful what you wish for.

  630. @Achmed E. Newman

    ‘…Are you going to be thinking along these same lines when “our” ctrl-left Commies have you lined up in front of a ditch?’

    You’re the one who’s advocating dispensing with the law when it’s awkward.

    If the First Amendment can be ignored, why can’t the Second?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @res
  631. res says:
    @HA

    HA, perhaps you could lay out what you think would constitute a Ukrainian or Russian victory? Then add in a possible settlement. Lastly, what you think the chances are of each. Then we could evaluate the accuracy of your statements later.

    The continual cheerleading and attempts to turn defeat (e.g. ejection from Kursk) into “victory” are tiresome. As others have said, if you feel so strongly about the importance of Ukrainian victory you should grab a rifle and join the battle. Although it is unclear to me which side you should join to be the greatest help to Ukraine.

    My position is this:
    – This is not the United States’s battle and we should not be expending the resources and political capital we are on it.
    – The US has played far too large a role in starting and escalating this war. Starting with talk of expanding NATO to the Ukraine and fomenting regime change there. Continuing with supplying weapons (and even more importantly, intelligence) and enabling their use even on Russian soil.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @HA
  632. Jack D says:
    @Corpse Tooth

    If you play six degrees of separation and do a lot of hand waving you can always connect someone to someone. The Israelis got their nuclear technology from the French at a time when they were close allies (at that time the US was NOT an Israeli ally – the Israelis used to fly Mirage jets). Some of their bomb grade uranium may or may not have been stolen from the US Numec facility without the knowledge of the US gov.

    Old State Dept. types hated Joos and loved the romantic sheiks of the desert, Laurence of Arabia style. They also loved Saudi oil. Israel at that time was socialist and not exactly well matched with the US as an ally. Israel got a lot of private support from American Jews but not much of anything from the US government. The USS Liberty incident (beloved of the Men of Unz) may give you some indication of how close the US and Israel were in those days – not at all.

    Later, in 1967 the Russians backed the Arabs in the 6 Day War. The US then started backing Israel as part of the dynamics of the Cold War and in the ’73 war it sent a lot of weapons. Regional wars were a good test bed for the Pentagon to assess how well US armaments compared with Soviet stuff. Since ’73 we have backed Israel pretty consistently but not before that.

    The idea of the US as the eternal supporter of Israel (also beloved of the Men of Unz) is a fictional retconning of history. The switch to being a US ally happened under JFK’s nemesis, Nikon, long after JFK was dead.

    • Replies: @res
    , @John Johnson
  633. res says:
    @Colin Wright

    The free speech for non-citizens issue seems more complicated to me than it is usually portrayed.
    https://www.freedomforum.org/non-citizens-protected-first-amendment/

    What bothers me most about the current cases is the selectivity. The kind of behavior being punished now has been tolerated at US universities for a long time. Any one remember the anti-apartheid protests? But the moment Israel or Jews are targeted the rules change (no matter all Jack D’s pleading otherwise).

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  634. Jack D says:
    @Colin Wright

    Your line of thinking is why Democrat support has tanked. The Constitution is not a suicide pact. If we are completely defenseless against foreign shit stirrers and criminals in the name of free speech then our country is doomed.

    What was going on in college campuses was not “criticism” and you know it. Their is a big difference between peaceful criticism and rioting and pogroms.

    I think every foreign citizen who breaks US law in a significant fashion (fart spray doesn’t count) or whom the Sec. of State deems undesirable should do their criticizing of America from their homeland. You can do all the criticizing you want once you get back to Turkey or wherever (of course don’t criticize Erdogan or he will have your ass in jail, but sure criticize America all you want.) These people never liked America to begin with. Half the time they are openly dedicated to America’s downfall. They come here to take advantage of the free gibmedats doled out by the Democrats but they have zero patriotism or loyalty to America. Honestly, they will not be missed by anyone who loves America.

  635. res says:
    @Jack D

    The idea of the US as the eternal supporter of Israel (also beloved of the Men of Unz) is a fictional retconning of history. The switch to being a US ally happened under JFK’s nemesis, Nikon, long after JFK was dead.

    Agreed there is frequently retconning on that topic, but how do you explain the importance of James Jesus Angleton and the Mossad in the JFK files released recently? And the degree to which the Israel connection was concealed by earlier redacting?

    I think you underestimate the degree to which the US-Israel relationship was changing during LBJ’s time in office as well.
    The 1967 Arab-Israeli War Origins and Consequences
    7 – The United States and the 1967 War
    https://doi.org/10.1017/CBO9780511751431.009

    Summary

    America’s Middle East policy today exists in the shadow of decisions made during the 1967 Arab-Israeli War. Those decisions were based on positions suggested by Israel, backed by persons close to President Lyndon B. Johnson, and never discussed at any level of the Johnson administration prior to their adoption. The key shift in U.S. policy was to permit Israel to retain territories conquered in the conflict until it could reach peace accords with individual Arab states, a radical change from Washington’s previous stance of seeking to maintain the territorial status quo.

    The basic question, addressed in 1992 at a conference on the war by retired Ambassador Alfred Atherton, was how that change in policy occurred, especially since the State Department was omitted from the discussion. Input from William Quandt, retired Ambassador to Egypt, Lucius Battle, and White House National Security staffer during the crisis, Harold Saunders, suggested that no policy discussion occurred in the Johnson White House, and that it was impossible to track the developments that led to the positions outlined in President Johnson’s 19 June 1967 speech where he left peace up to the respective states; this stance became the foundation of UN Security Council Resolution 242 passed in November 1967. These comments led retired Ambassador to Israel, Samuel Lewis, to declare that “no political scientist or historian would dare write in his book that policy changes could be made in the fashion described by Messrs. Atherton, Quandt, and Battle.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
  636. @Achmed E. Newman

    THE FOUR* DIVORCES OF ILHAN OMAR

    Ilhan Omar, a wife and a mother,
    Ditched husband to marry gay brother;
    Divorced, rewed first;
    Re-divorced, and what’s worst,
    Her next husband she stole from another.

    *The divorce of his wife by Mynett
    makes a total of four, as of yet.

    PS, Check out my three new funny limericks on X today, in honor of April Fool’s Day. I’m on fire!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  637. @Colin Wright

    If the relevant established law is interpreted [e.a.] so as to infringe on the right to free speech, that interpretation would be unconstitutional.

    Colin, that’s a big “if”. And “interpreted” by whom—some TDS idiot judge(s)? Apparently according to various statutes pertaining to aliens, First Amendment protection (as well as some other legal protection) doesn’t apply as strictly as for citizens. One brilliant thing the Trump administration is doing is conducting a stress test on various standing immigration/visitation laws.

    If you’re upset about those statutes, cite them and argue for their repeal. I haven’t yet seen you do that (maybe I’ve missed it), making your complaints about Trump’s detaining and deportations of aliens in violation of said statutes misguided: It seems you’re selectively upset about who is being deported, rather than having any intelligible criticism about constitutionality.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  638. HA says:
    @res

    “Then we could evaluate the accuracy of your statements later.”

    Which statements? You want me to be specific, then how about you start?

    In particular, when have I ever predicted either a Ukrainian or Russian “victory”, aside from repeatedly noting that without outside aid, Ukraine will indeed “lose”? When you can answer me that, oh great self-appointed evaluator of my statements, we’ll continue, assuming you exhibit a corresponding interest as to the accuracy of any of the far more numerous pro-Putin trolls who regularly chime in to tell us Ukraine is most certainly over and done with (give or take two weeks) and such. I’m not holding my breath on the latter, but until it happens, this is just more of your trolling, which is getting a little creepy. As desperate as some of you seem to be to keep this corner of Unz’s site going without Sailer’s input or oversight, I’m not as eager to play along, given that Substack seems to be working well enough for me.

    • Replies: @res
  639. @Jack D

    Israel at that time was socialist and not exactly well matched with the US as an ally.

    Thanks for bringing up that point. A forgotten “middle ground” aspect of the cold war.

    Israel had ignored requests to make a capitalism uber alles state.

    They adopted the Nordic model and expanded family care which of course irked our free market believers.

    They and Sweden were viewed as suspiciously “middle ground” in the cold war.

    As in you can’t have something like public health care that works. The proles in the US might get some crazy ideas.

    Israel was actually allied with South Africa for a period. In fact Israel was one of RSA’s last Western supporters. There goes the theory that the Jews always align against Whites. It was actually a Boer that handed the country over to Blacks.

    Israel was selling weapons to South Africa which drew the wrath of both the US and the USSR.

  640. anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    sounds like Rachmaninoff

  641. @Mike Tre

    ‘…Don’t care. they had no right or reason to be here in the first place. How about this, if you prefer Palestinians to whites, why don’t you go to Palestine?’

    There’s a brilliant argument that perfectly addresses my point. You have all the intelligence of a barking dog.

    • Agree: epebble
  642. @Jack D

    Your line of thinking is why Democrat support has tanked. The Constitution is not a suicide pact. If we are completely defenseless against foreign shit stirrers and criminals in the name of free speech then our country is doomed.

    What was going on in college campuses was not “criticism” and you know it. Their is a big difference between peaceful criticism and rioting and pogroms…

    Is this the best you can do?

  643. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    …If you’re upset about those statutes, cite them and argue for their repeal…’

    Sigh. Congress cannot infringe upon the right of free speech. If a statute is interpreted so as to permit an infringement on the right to free speech, it’s invalid.

    It’s not a matter of interpretation. It doesn’t even have anything to do with citizenship. An alien from the Planet Glorg can land here. He can say what he likes.

  644. Mike Tre says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    ” He’s too high-brow, civil, and reasonable to ”

    Some might call this snobby and naive.

  645. epebble says:
    @Jack D

    Give a list of “rioting and pogroms” done by:

    1. Ranjani Srinivasan of India, Doctoral candidate at Columbia (terrorized by ICE into ‘self-deporting’ to avoid being held in a Gulag in Louisiana)
    2. Dr. Badar Khan Suri of India, a Post Doctoral candidate at Georgetown (held in a Gulag in Louisiana)
    3. Rumeysa Ozturk of Turkey, a Doctoral candidate at Tufts (held in a Gulag in Louisiana)

    Dr. Suri and Ozturk could have been simply sent home instead of indefinite detention and abuse. As far as I could find out, they are all thought criminals who have condemned the violence in Gaza as excessive.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  646. Mike Tre says:
    @res

    “What bothers me most about the current cases is the selectivity. ”

    Obviously, but the selectivity was there long before some pally decided to cash in on the gibs. Heritage white Americans have been selectively discriminated against since the 60’s or longer, by the same small group of people.

    Colin Wright’s desire is to let all the new brown people stay for no better reason than to poke the eye of jewish power. That’s like trying to get all of the hippos out of your pond by flooding it with crocodiles.

    His appeal to “muh Constitution” is just the same type of dishonest lawyer speak that Jack D uses to obfuscate an issue.

    Colin wright doesn’t give a fuck that this midwit agitator Pally took a spot at a US college that otherwise would and should have gone to a white student. Colin Wright doesn’t care that this Pally is and will continue to be a net loss socially and economically on the US for as long as it remains. Colin Wright apparently doesn’t care about actual white Americans at all.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  647. @epebble

    ‘Detention Alley’: inside the Ice centres in the US south where foreign students and undocumented migrants languish
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/29/ice-detention-centers-immigration-asylum

    it reminded me of the Gulags in USSR.

    Gulag? Oh come on. They aren’t out breaking rocks up on the Kolyma River.

    They’re in a camp getting three squares while awaiting a deportation hearing. And presumably to escape all they have to do to get out is raise their hand and say “Please send me back home.”

    Even the Guardians sob stories are pathetic. Some guy from Pigsknuckle China who snuck across the border last year and doesn’t speak English. You want to come to America, the very least you can do is learn to speak American. Then some illegal Honduran guy–who also can’t speak English–and we’re supposed to pout about because he has hypertension and fatty liver disease. Sure, it’s not fun to be healthy and I wish the guy good luck getting better. But what, American tax payers are supposed to pickup the medical bills for sick Central Americans? Their final one is the most sympathetic, some Mexican illegal who has lived here a while and was picked up after causing a minor traffic accident. The point is … he is a Mexican and here illegally. He can go home and have his traffic accidents in Mexico.

    Then you get to the real killer:

    Cases heard from detention are far less likely to result in relief. At LaSalle, 78.6% of asylum cases are rejected, compared with the national average of 57.7%,

    LOL. So about half of all these mostly bogus–“America is better than my shitty country”–asylum claims are sailing through. But even when the feds round up the worst of the worst and send ’em to the “gulag” … over 1 in 5 given the golden ticket to life in America.

    We might as well be wearing a big “kick me” “loot me” sign.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @epebble
  648. Corvinus says:
    @Mark G.

    You and Musk are purposely circumventing the truth.

    https://twitter.com/NancyFGoodman/status/1872513602323906902

    —But three hours before a scheduled vote, to the surprise of the country, the funding bill fell apart. What Congress ultimately passed into law was a stripped down bill from which the reauthorization of the pediatric priority review voucher program and the Give Kids a Chance Act had been dropped. Other critical pediatric cancer bills had been stripped as well, including a bill to ensure kids with cancer on Medicaid can cross state lines for treatment.

    We went into action. Social media stories blew up the internet. We were covered by CNN, ABC, MSNBC, STATNews, Newsweek, Rolling Stones, The Bulkward.

    We had one more chance. At 11:50 pm on December 20th, the last hour of the last day of this Congress, the Senate took up our bills. Senator Rand Paul objected. The vote failed.—

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  649. @Bill Jones

    My bad. (must have seen a Bill Price)

    My point was this quip by Joe Sobran was in Mr. Devlin’s recent article on this site. I figure you may have seen it there.

  650. Corvinus says:
    @Jack D

    “What was going on in college campuses was not “criticism” and you know it. There is a big difference between peaceful criticism and rioting and pogroms.”

    You make a big claim here. Now prove it, Uncle Leo.

    “whom the Sec. of State deems undesirable”

    You know damn well as a lawyer—although there are occasions where I seriously doubt that you are one—that you want specifics in such cases, not vagueness and insinuation.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  651. @Colin Wright

    This 1st Amendment is very simple:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,

    Congress has made no law. The wording says nothing about citizen or not, but that’s not the point.

    Citizenship MEANS something. If you come to a country on a visa, even an immigration visa, you are still a guest until you get Citizenship. Of course if you come on a non-immigration visa, tourist, business, student, what-have-you, you are a guest too. I don’t say that I am OK with the Trump administration picking specifically on those who protested against Israel’ war. I think this would be a great way to start getting rid of ALL foreign students but particularly starting with those who are not availing themselves of the opportunity to study but are getting into politics as well.

    Yeah, were they Israeli foreign students doing the same, we all know they’d probably catch a break. Thing is, you don’t see much of them at that.* The Israeli influence is at a higher level. I’m completely against dual citizenship. Pick a side/ pick a country. There are plenty of people we’d like to send back to Israel, but they are citizens and born here. (That’s how we get Omar – she scammed the INS.)

    This has been made into a free speech issue, granted, partly by the way Trump is doing it. Where you and others are really getting played, however, is that the ctrl-left is using this to make sure there are ways of guilting Americans to not even think about deporting worthless, ungracious foreign students ever again.
    .

    * I remember the end of that anti-Apartheid protesting on campus too – it was a big thing. Most protesters were Americans, and not just because almost all students were Americans too. Were Reagan or Bush, via the State Dept. to have revoked visas and kicked out any foreigners getting involved, that’d be fair enough too. The problem was “Racisstt!!” (I get it, “Anti-Semite!!”, but see above.)

  652. BenKenobi says:

    As of this writing, which will take some time to come through because of my extended absence: total comments – 668

    Out of curiosity:

    Ctrl-F: Whorevinus – 110 results

    Since xe replies to every single reply to xer, that means ~74 comments itt alone

    Ctril-F: Whack D – 85 results

    Our precious little bubbe (a lawyuh!) doesn’t really counter-reply, so ~42 comments itt alone

    Can’t really Ctrl-F for “HAck” but going by comment history I’m tracking 9 and 1 is too many.

    Total shill comments: 125, divded by 668 total gives us 0.187% or about 1 in 5

    Conclusion: HOLY DOGSHIT! I haven’t even factored-in Jonathan Goatse! I just wanted to bro-out with my bros that I’ve missed dearly. This has to be worse than in the before-time, in the long-long-ago.

    • LOL: Mark G.
    • Replies: @res
    , @HA
  653. @AnotherDad

    ‘…They’re in a camp getting three squares while awaiting a deportation hearing. And presumably to escape all they have to do to get out is raise their hand and say “Please send me back home.”…’

    …which I suspect is precisely the idea.

    Hitler’s little helpers know perfectly well that if any of these individuals get a hearing, the judge will have no choice but to order their release; there are no grounds whatsoever for deporting them.

    On the other hand, if they can just be kept incarcerated long enough, they’ll agree to go home ‘voluntarily.’

    Clever, clever, clever. It would work on you. Let’s say I want title to your house…

  654. @Colin Wright

    He can say what he likes.

    Yes, he sure can. But if we don’t like it, or ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT HIM, the State Dept. can revoke his visa, put him on a rocket and send him home. That is, UNLESS he’s been naturalized as a citizen legally (as in no scam involved like in his marrying his brother Kodos.)

    Then too, were he to have landed in US territory without a clearance, he will be considered an illegal alien, hence, a criminal.

  655. @Corvinus

    You make a big claim here. Now prove it, Uncle Leo.

    “whom the Sec. of State deems undesirable”

    The point is that if the statute is interpreted to permit an infringement of the right to free speech, it is immediately overridden by the First Amendment. The language couldn’t be clearer: Congress cannot pass such a law.

    It’s the same situation as those who want to restrict the right to keep and bear arms. Gonna have to modify the Constitution. Until then, no can do.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  656. Corvinus says:
    @Mike Tre

    “Colin Wright apparently doesn’t care about actual white Americans at all.”

    JFC, you are an idiot. First, thanks again for employing the No True Scotsman Fallacy. Apparently, only you and a few other fine posters here are able to unilaterally discern who meets and who does not meet this criteria for “actual white American” by way of a strict racial litmus test. As if that was logical and realistic.

    Second, Colin’s position has been clear—he wants a return to white-black segregation and Jewish malfeasance in all areas of American life to come to a screeching halt. He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the Palestinians—they serve as the convenient cudgel to JackD’s and Kagavonich’s insistence that Israel is justified in genociding Gazans.

    “Heritage white Americans”…

    And in your small minded world, that doesn’t include eastern and southern European immigrants whose kinfolk are American citizens. Good luck touting your ideology to whites at large. Maybe they will take pity on you and refrain from curb stomping you.

    “His appeal to “muh Constitution””

    It’s called law and order and the rule of law, f—-face, and tens of millions of white people espouse those principles.

  657. @Colin Wright

    I guess you didn’t watch that video, Colin. It’s only about a minute long. No one can beat a Somalian at the polls in a Somalian district. I’m not sure the Jews have anything to do with this one.

    … do you really want to head down the road of finding some other way of getting rid of every elected representative you can’t beat at the polls?

    Sure, so long as he also obtained citizenship to the US on false pretensions and actively works in Congress on behalf of, not only some other country, but a portion of said highly-foreign country that is in a civl war with the other portion, speaking in his native languages to hide his intentions. Treason is bad, mmmkayy?

    Of course, if we’re gonna bring that up, then Alex Mayorkas and Merrick Garland need to be subpoenaed prontomundo in addition.

  658. Corvinus says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “He’s too high-brow, civil, and reasonable to understand that being high-brow, civil, and reasonable do not work with the enemy we have”.

    This is con artistry at its best. Mr. Sailer clearly sees right through your mischaracterization, one that is rooted in emotionality and irrationality.

    “Of course they (women) get ideas from media which does have a big Jewish influence.”

    Or not.

    “The whole Kung Flu PanicFest was a great example of why women should not be in charge of anything bigger than the PTO”.

    Tell that directly to, say, MTG’s or Kristi Noem’s face. See how that turns out.

    My vague impression is your own wife is in charge of your household, including finances, and while you privately resent the fact you submit to her leadership, you don’t have the balls to put her in her proper place.

    So in your newfound safe space here—after having your comments previously whimmed by the one who NOTICES—you are emboldened to make such bombastic claims.

  659. @the one they call Desanex

    Nice one, sir!

    My House Rep (a D from Somalia),
    just back from her trip to Vidalia,
    with two billion in store
    for her tax-funded war,
    Want constituent info? She’s mail ya’.

    I don’t get on X on purpose, Mr. Desanex. If you would kindly paste them in, I’m sure I (for one) would appreciate that.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  660. res says:
    @Colin Wright

    An interesting analogy. Especially given some of the case law around the second amendment.
    https://houstonlawreview.org/article/126276-second-amendment-implications-for-unlawfully-present-aliens

    In April 2023, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit decided United States v. Sitladeen, which effectively held that unlawfully present aliens in the United States are not part of “the people” to whom the Second Amendment confers the right to bear and keep arms.[1] The Eighth Circuit’s decision in Sitladeen highlights a circuit split among the courts of appeals, with several circuits holding that “the people” the Second Amendment seeks to protect can include, to some degree, unlawfully present aliens.[2] In contrast, the Fifth and Eighth Circuits have held that the Second Amendment does not bestow Second Amendment rights to unlawfully present aliens because unlawfully present aliens are not included within “the people.”[3]

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  661. res says:
    @HA

    You want me to be specific, then how about you start?

    I will be happy to do that if you agree to respond in kind.

    • Replies: @HA
  662. epebble says:
    @AnotherDad

    They’re in a camp getting three squares while awaiting a deportation hearing.

    This is what the ‘camp’ experience was for some recent tourists:

    German tourist with US visa reflects on being held in ICE custody for weeks
    Lucas Sielaff spent 16 days locked up at the Otay Mesa Detention facility south of San Diego before being allowed to fly home to Germany. He shares his story.
    https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/politics/german-tourist-with-us-visa-reflects-on-being-held-in-ice-custody-for-weeks/3786489/

    I’m the Canadian who was detained by Ice for two weeks. It felt like I had been kidnapped
    I was stuck in a freezing cell without explanation despite eventually having lawyers and media attention. Yet, compared with others, I was lucky
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

    British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue
    Backpacker Rebecca Burke was handcuffed and taken to a detention facility in Washington state
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/10/british-tourist-detained-us-authorities-10-days-visa-issue

    • Replies: @HA
  663. @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, he sure can. But if we don’t like it, or ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT HIM, the State Dept. can revoke his visa, put him on a rocket and send him home.

    Actually, no. Hence the conspicuous disinclination of the State Department to move ahead with these deportations. They’re the executive branch, the executive branch is charged with…blah blah blah.

    Then too, were he to have landed in US territory without a clearance, he will be considered an illegal alien, hence, a criminal.

    That is an entirely different kettle of fish. In fact, obscuring the distinction is precisely how the Jews are using you. It’s Iraq 2003 all over again.

    Your outrage and exasperation is being put to good use…serving Israel.

    Here’s a bet. Most of those illegals will stay — but criticism of Israel will be silenced. After all, look what’s going on with the universities right now. Now that is moving forward.

    And you’re being manipulated into applauding.

  664. @res

    An interesting analogy. Especially given some of the case law around the second amendment…

    That’s a valid point. But I’ll note the right to freedom of speech isn’t confined to ‘the people.’

    In fact, no such right is conferred. It’s just that Congress can’t pass any law that infringes on it.

    Hence the legal impossibility of actually deporting Turkish girl, et al. If Congress cannot pass a law infringing on their right of free speech, how can a law passed by congress be construed to permit deporting them if they exercise their right to free speech?

  665. @Colin Wright

    Sigh. Congress cannot infringe upon the right of free speech. If a statute is interpreted so as to permit an infringement on the right to free speech, it’s invalid.

    Really. Can one legally stand on the sidewalk with a bullhorn at 3:00 AM in a residential neighborhood and give loud political commentary to the public? Or, are there existing enforceable noise and disturbing-the-peace statutes:

    interpreted so as to permit an infringement on the right to free speech

    … so wait—those statues are actually “invalid”, you say?? Big if true!

    “Free speech” is not absolute, nor absolutely overriding. Not even for American citizens. Should children be legally allowed to verbally disrupt public school classrooms because First Amendment ? If one is tried and imprisoned for whatever crime, can one can legitimately claim “Hey, you can’t take away my 24/7 access to my blog! I have a right to a phone and laptop in my cell! Frreee speeeeeechh!” LOL.

    Do you think all domestic prisoners have a right to go on talk shows, hold rallies at will, etc. because “free speech”? Double LOL. “Hey man, your statutes that say I have to remain in prison infringes on my free speech, maaan. Checkmate!”

    Believe it or not, domestic criminals and aliens who break federal (and local) rules can’t hide behind “free speech” as a magic talisman to do whatever they want. You have yet to criticize the specific statutes (speech-related or not) that have enabled the Trump administration to deport/detain aliens; you only sophomorically cite vague “interpretations”.

    Well, whose interpretations matter more—Trump’s, or some judge who has no unilateral power to strike down the statutes Trump is following? Until the Supreme Court weighs in, Trump legally has the Trump card. As is right.

    An alien from the Planet Glorg can land here. He can say what he likes.

    It can (attempt to) say what it likes, but if it’s breaking the rules/law, or for government precaution, its speech could be legally restricted, or terminated. E.g., there might be (secret) federal quarantine/termination rules for extraterrestrials, sanctioned by law, that would necessarily infringe on its “free speech” ability.

  666. res says:
    @MEH 0910

    That finally came through. Thanks.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  667. Corvinus says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Well, whose interpretations matter more—Trump’s, or some judge who has no unilateral power to strike down the statutes Trump is following?”

    The judges are not striking down any law. Rather, they are holding Trump and his administration constitutionally accountable in his application of the statute. Their ability to issue rulings falls squarely under the purview of checks and balances. As epebble stated earlier, “President Eisenhower was a man of character unlike Trump. He was not a charlatan with no respect for rule of law.”

    “And if you try to intimidate judges, if that’s your goal, so that they do not do their constitutional duty, then you jeopardize the rule of law,” said Grimm, who leads the Bolch Judicial Institute at Duke Law School. “And without the rule of law, every liberty and every right that we cherish as Americans is vulnerable.”

    Maybe you can threaten the judges for Trump. Show him you are a good (white) patriot. He will pardon you.

    And as I outlined earlier to that bitch AnotherMissouri…

    —Only a declaration of war by Congress can justify the use of the [Alien] act. Yet, no declared war is taking place today.

    Now, if we take a textualism approach in statutory interpretation and an originalism approach in constitutional interpretation as advocated by your hero, the late Antonin Scalia, and by conservatives on the Supreme Court, Trump has a high wall to climb and get over.

    He must make good on the claim the act applies by producing specific evidence that the deported individuals in question were sent by another government with the intent to perpetrate a “hostile entrance, attack, or assault”. In other words, Trump would have to show that TdA is effectively acting on behalf of a foreign government. Yet it appears that DofJ lawyers admitted in their recent court filings the direction is “clandestine” by TdA itself and not linked directly to Venezuela.

    This is a high evidentiary standard that even Scalia would agree must be met, given his own judicial philosophy.

    Then again, since there has been no declaration of war by Congress, it would appear that the point is moot.—

    And as epebble reported on March 27…

    —D.C. Circuit court ruled today against the administration. If SCOTUS, lets it stand, that will set the precedent (against using the alien enemy act for deporting without due process).

    Appeals court sides with judge who blocked deportations under wartime authority
    https://www.npr.org/2025/03/26/g-s1-56392/appeals-circuit-alien-enemies-act

    Government also suffered a setback deporting a South Korean national without due process.

    Judge temporarily blocks Trump admin from deporting South Korean Columbia student
    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5213841-judge-blocks-columbia-student-deportation/

    For all the Sturm and Drang, Trump and his people can’t win in courts!—

    Finally…

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/foreign-college-students-targeted-deportation-rights/story?id=120262362

    Once the Trump administration attempts to revoke a visa or green card – which grants permanent residency rather than a short-term stay in the US for a specific purpose — students still have the right to an immigration hearing to determine if their deportations are justified, according to Cheryl David, a New York immigration attorney.

    “The level of due process that they may be entitled to will depend on what immigration status they have in the United States, and whether or not the Trump administration has a basis for revoking their lawful status in the United States that has any reasonable basis in law or not,” said Elora Mukherjee, a professor at Columbia Law School and director of its Immigrants’ Rights Clinic.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  668. @Colin Wright

    The point is that if the statute is interpreted to permit an infringement of the right to free speech, it is immediately overridden by the First Amendment. The language couldn’t be clearer: Congress cannot pass such a law.

    Is this really as sweeping as you claim? Can a visa not be rejected for a troublemaker before he is here? Can a diplomat not be declared ‘persona non grata’ for a speech he makes ?

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Brutusale
  669. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Really. Can one legally stand on the sidewalk with a bullhorn at 3:00 AM in a residential neighborhood and give loud political commentary to the public? Or, are there existing enforceable noise and disturbing-the-peace statutes:

    Any passed by Congress?

    interpreted so as to permit an infringement on the right to free speech

    … so wait—those statues are actually “invalid”, you say?? Big if true!

    If Congress passed them, quite possibly.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  670. Colorado has enacted a new targeted tax on firearms and ammo, and a lawsuit has just been filed.

    William Kirk, discusses the legal possibilities of a Trump third term and examines some of the ideas being floated by some on how this could be accomplished.

    IL State Rifle Association asks AG Pam Biondi to include IL in their anti-2A practices investigations.

    https://twitter.com/JohnRLottJr/status/1907184020053762269
    https://twitter.com/2Aupdates/status/1907107865900290072
    https://twitter.com/BearingArmsCom/status/1907176183847920090

  671. Corvinus says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Really. Can one legally stand on the sidewalk with a bullhorn at 3:00 AM in a residential neighborhood and give loud political commentary to the public?”

    Trump can. He be the prezzie, bitchazz. He’s above the law. Would YOU as a police officer issue him a ticket for disturbing the peace, at worst, or gently request him to leave the premises, at best, possibly risking your career in the process because (checks notes) MAGAHeads say you are unduly persecuting him?

  672. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    ‘“Free speech” is not absolute, nor absolutely overriding…’

    Certainly not if it’s critical of Israel. In other respects, maybe so far…

    You’re being used. Just like you were before.

    Wait a year. 95% of the illegals will still be here — but no one will dare say a word against Israel.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  673. @Colin Wright

    I suspect the main argument for deporting Ilhan Omar is that the Jews can’t beat her at the polls.

    While I’m no great admirer of Ms. Omar, the main argument for deporting her is that it’s a virtual certainty that she commited citizenship fraud. I think it was Arendt who said “One of the great advantages of the totalitarian elites of the twenties and thirties was to turn any statement of fact into a question of motive.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Colin Wright
  674. HA says:
    @epebble

    “I’m the Canadian who was detained by Ice for two weeks. It felt like I had been kidnapped”

    I would have thought that when you’re reduced to picking up “aliens” looking like this,

    that some signals have been crossed. I suspect the ICE official involved was hoping to get her to say “you know, I’d do anything to get out of this, can we maybe work something out?”

    Or maybe she should have applied for one of those O-1 genius visas like what’s-her-name. She’s Canadian so she must know French.

    He asked why I had gone to the San Diego border the second time to apply. I explained that that was where my lawyer’s offices were… After a long interrogation, the officer told me it seemed “shady” and that my visa hadn’t been properly processed. He claimed I also couldn’t work for a company in the US that made use of hemp – one of the beverage ingredients [in the “health tonics called Holy! Water” that she was tasked with marketing].”

    Then there’s this:

    The reality became clear: ICE detention [is]… a business. These facilities are privately owned and run for profit. Companies like CoreCivic and GEO Group receive government funding based on the number of people they detain, which is why they lobby for stricter immigration policies.

    So it’s basically an extension of the for-profit prison industry. Talk about “shady”. I’d say it’s a little like the flipside of what Catholic and Lutheran and other church groups get for bringing immigrants in, thoug I’m guessing that on a per-immigrant basis, the prisons are far more lucrative.

    • Replies: @epebble
  675. Corvinus says:
    @kaganovitch

    “the main argument for deporting her is that it’s a virtual certainty that she commited citizenship fraud.”

    JFC, this not an “argument”, it’s wild speculation on your part. Can you for once not be…Jewish? Or so I’ve been told by the fine posters here at unz.

    That is like me saying I know for a fact that your ancestors, because they are Jews—a group that can NEVER be trusted (just ask Colin Wright)—bribed their way to get American citizenship. No proof needed. Just a good old fashioned accusation.

    Now, mind you, if hardcore evidence comes to light showing that Ilhan Omar outright lied, then deportation is way too f—ing lenient.

    Maybe you can convince your boy Stephen Miller to let you shoot her as her punishment. One less Muzzie to deal with, right?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @kaganovitch
  676. @kaganovitch

    Is this really as sweeping as you claim? Can a visa not be rejected for a troublemaker before he is here? Can a diplomat not be declared ‘persona non grata’ for a speech he makes ?

    We certainly don’t have to let people in.

    But once they’re here…one would want to look at what the precise legal status of a diplomat is. ‘Diplomatic immunity’ implies they’re somehow not subject to our jurisdiction.

  677. @kaganovitch

    ‘…While I’m no great admirer of Ms. Omar, the main argument for deporting her is that it’s a virtual certainty that she commited citizenship fraud…’

    I’m skeptical of that. But in any case, it’s another example of the same sin as the attempt to bog down Trump in court cases. Barring extremes, when it comes to politicians, you should beat them at the ballot box. In spite of considerable expenditures, that hasn’t worked for the Zionists, so now they’re trying another way.

    I think it’s intolerable. If her constituents want Ilhan Omar to represent them, that’s their prerogative.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  678. @Colin Wright

    “So if you want, amend the Constitution. There’s a mechanism for that. As of right now, it’s legally impossible to deport someone for exercising their right to free speech — a right which is enjoyed by anyone physically in the United States, without regard to their citizenship.”

    I am unconvinced that the Constitution grants exactly the same rights to citizens and non-citizens physically present in the United States. And as pointed out by Jenner Ickham Errican the courts have never interpreted “freedom of speech” to be absolute. So I don’t think it is certain the courts will see things your way.

    • Agree: HA
  679. epebble says:
    @HA

    The senselessness in all that is, they could have spirited her away for $200 to Canada (on Spirit Airlines). She would have been disappointed but perfectly willing to go home if told point blank – “We don’t like Canadians here (anymore)”. The two-week detention would have likely cost $10,000. Canadians are decent people. They have stopped coming over to U.S. for tourism and buying U.S. made stuff.

    • Agree: HA
  680. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    “the main argument for deporting her is that it’s a virtual certainty that she commited citizenship fraud.”

    JFC, this not an “argument”, it’s wild speculation on your part.

    She married her brother, you halfwit.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8013283/Ilhan-Omar-DID-marry-brother-reveals-Somali-community-leader.html

    Jesus, but you are stupid.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  681. @Corvinus

    —Only a declaration of war by Congress can justify the use of the [Alien] act.

    So you say. You might want to read this:

    https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title50/chapter3&edition=prelim

    No “declaration of war” required, ya goof. First line:

    Title 50—WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE

    CHAPTER 3—ALIEN ENEMIES

    Section 21. Restraint, regulation, and removal

    Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, [e.a.] and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  682. @Colin Wright

    We certainly don’t have to let people in.

    Why not, though. According to the way you are construing the statute as long as Congress can make no law abridging F.O.S. does it matter whether the speech is in France b4 coming or in Michigan after coming?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  683. @Colin Wright

    But in any case, it’s another example of the same sin as the attempt to bog down Trump in court cases. Barring extremes, when it comes to politicians, you should beat them at the ballot box.

    I’m not sure why you’re skeptical, it seems to be an open secret in the Somali community and could easily be settled with a DNA test were Ms. Omar so inclined. That aside, do you feel the same way about , say, someone who snuck across the Rio Grande and lived here under an assumed name and was elected to office? It amounts to the difference between a burglar and a bunco artist.

    How far does this dispensation go? Can someone constitutionally ineligible for the presidency due to age or birth, who lied his way in, also serve because ‘the people have spoken’?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  684. @Colin Wright

    Any passed by Congress?

    Sure. Several acts of Congress established the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which holds inmates whose First Amendment rights are severely curtailed (infringed), by circumstance of being incarcerated. Do you hold the view that federal prisons are therefore unconstitutional?

    Also, articles 88 and 91 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, established by Congress, also infringe on “free speech”. I’m likely missing other examples.

    BTW, which protester(s) were detained/deported for engaging in “free speech”? I must have missed that headline. Please cite. It seems you’re trying to pull a “free speech” red herring, but to my knowledge no one was arrested on those grounds.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
  685. @Colin Wright

    Wait a year. 95% of the illegals will still be here — but no one will dare say a word against Israel.

    “Without importing swarthy aliens, anti-Israel protests are rotting in the quads! They’re doing the jobs Americans won’t do!”

    Relax, dawg, there are plenty of vocal domestic protesters to go around. I hope they continue—I want Trump to have an unstoppable mandate to cut off federal funding from those schools. He’s found a wedge to punish them for their leftism, which isn’t only about Israel, which you may have noticed.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  686. @Corvinus

    That is like me saying I know for a fact that your ancestors, because they are Jews—a group that can NEVER be trusted (just ask Colin Wright)—bribed their way to get American citizenship. No proof needed. Just a good old fashioned accusation.

    That kind of amusing as you, mutatis mutandis, pretty much did just that..
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/karens-in-the-jungle/#comment-6883650
    “Furthermore, I believe Jags is from the States. More than likely given his air of superiority and virtue signaling, his ancestors sold Negroes.” Though “more than likely” is not quite “I know for a fact”.

    Now, mind you, if hardcore evidence comes to light showing that Ilhan Omar outright lied, then deportation is way too f—ing lenient.

    But there is hardcore evidence as Mr. Anon wrote in his reply.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Colin Wright
  687. @Colin Wright

    We certainly don’t have to let people in.

    But once they’re here…one would want to look at what the precise legal status of a diplomat is. ‘Diplomatic immunity’ implies they’re somehow not subject to our jurisdiction.

    LOL, your ignorance (or is it dishonesty) is astounding. Diplomats are certainly subject to federal jurisdiction and can be, and are, expelled. Just like the non-diplomat aliens Trump is expelling.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  688. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “…I’m likely missing other examples”

    Laws against fraud, threats and libel come to mind. Also the Hatch Act. Lots of examples.

  689. @Achmed E. Newman

    Who, here, is “we”?

    But if we don’t like it, or ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT HIM, the State Dept. can revoke his visa, put him on a rocket and send him home.

    You and others on the thread sound like aroused statists, channeling your bigotry and getting off on government force.

    Identifying with one’s rulers reminds me of supposedly grown men wearing replica jerseys to root for athletes who couldn’t care less about them. If you someday cross the Establishment’s line, do you expect its reciprocal loyalty?

  690. MEH 0910 says:
    @res

    Yesterday I could see in my comment history that you left a new reply to my comment, but when I hit Replies: @res, it took me to the top of the closed comments page, and scrolling down your new comment didn’t appear. I went to your comment history, but your new comment wasn’t there yet. Today your new comment showed up in your comment history, and I hit a reaction button to it there, which made it show up on the closed comments page.

    • Thanks: res
  691. Mark G. says:
    @Corvinus

    “Senator Rand Paul objected”

    Rand Paul ended up dropping his objections to the Gabriella Miller Kids First Research Act and it then passed. Paul dropped his objections after Tim Kaine committed to making sure there’s “no overlapping programs where we’re spending money to do the same thing”.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  692. Mike Tre says:
    @Colin Wright

    “It’s not a matter of interpretation. It doesn’t even have anything to do with citizenship. An alien from the Planet Glorg can land here. He can say what he likes.”

    Thank you for revealing your utter lack of understanding of possibly the most basic amendment in the BoR.

    Aside from what AEN already pointed out, congress has made no law. I’ll repeat that: Congress has made no law. Is it sinking in?

    Further, you’re dishonestly deflecting the intent of the 1A. It was never a loophole for foreign nationalists to invade the US, get on the dole, and then start screaming about foreign conflicts in order to become an instagram influencer. Provoking and agitating are beyond the definition of “peaceful protest”.

    The 1A also does not protect from acts of sedition, which most of these Pally assholes are technically guilty of when they come here, with all of their anti US rhetoric.

    So no, you, Pally boy and your cousins from outer space cannot actually say whatever you like. This is the biggest lie told about the 1A by people like you who use it as a loophole to excuse any and all degenerate behavior. Immigrant/alien statuses are not protected by the 1A, and the US can throw him out.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  693. @kaganovitch

    Why not, though. According to the way you are construing the statute as long as Congress can make no law abridging F.O.S. does it matter whether the speech is in France b4 coming or in Michigan after coming?

    Recent assumptions notwithstanding, we do not rule the planet. The Constitution does not apply in France, nor do laws passed by Congress.

    This was all the truer at the time the Constitution was drawn up.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  694. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    LOL, your ignorance (or is it dishonesty) is astounding…

    There’s no such thing as diplomatic immunity? Learn something new every day.

    Good thing for poor ignoramuses like me that founts of wisdom like you are around, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  695. Jack D says:
    @Colin Wright

    You have this completely backward. Even in the case of diplomats where we have no jurisdiction to imprison them even if they kill someone, we STILL have the power to expel them. Kicking a non-citizen out of the country so that he can return in complete freedom (or whatever sort of freedom they have in his shitty home country) is the LEAST that we could do. We even pay for their ticket home.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  696. Jack D says:
    @epebble

    The reason that #2 and 3 are in a “gulag” is that they are fighting their deportation. If they would voluntarily agree to go back home they could be on a plane tomorrow. This is true of virtually everyone that is being held by the INS.

    IF (as the Biden Administration did) the US let every illegal alien (once your visa is revoked you are an illegal alien) live freely until their immigration status was resolved and IF we had a completely dysfunction legal system where “resolving” a case could take years or decades (in the past if you killed someone you could be tried and executed in a month and not 2 decades later- that’s insane) then people would have (DID have) an enormous incentive to enter the country illegally because this would mean you could just walk free and live here for decades and produce anchor babies, marry green card spouses, etc. and you would NEVER have to go home. Putting someone in detention takes away this incentive. Maybe you are a TRUE asylum seeker who fears death back home so sitting in detention is better than death but if you are just an economic migrant you’ll give up. Detention helps to separate the wheat from the chaff.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @epebble
  697. Jack D says:
    @res

    The stuff about Atherton, Quandt, and Battle just confirms my point that the old line WASP dominated State Dept. was not pro-Israel. Luckily (for the people of America, not just for Israel or American Jews) the elected President of the United States is the one who makes policy changes, not unelected diplomats. If we had left American foreign policy to the diplomats we would all be speaking Russian by now.

    The US tilt toward Israel began right after the Six Day War (so under Johnson) but there was no significant material assistance until Nixon. Everyone loves a winner (esp. if the losers were Soviet backed).

  698. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Free speech” is not absolute…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  699. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Relax, dawg…

    It would be easier to relax if we weren’t currently sponsoring and enabling the worst atrocities committed by a First World state since the Nazis put down the Warsaw Uprising, and if all this weren’t in aid of that.

  700. @Jack D

    You have this completely backward. Even in the case of diplomats where we have no jurisdiction to imprison them even if they kill someone, we STILL have the power to expel them. Kicking a non-citizen out of the country so that he can return in complete freedom (or whatever sort of freedom they have in his shitty home country) is the LEAST that we could do. We even pay for their ticket home.

    Not without a legal basis for the action we don’t have the power. Read the Constitution. What does the executive branch do?

    Fuck, Jack. This isn’t even law school. It’s high school civics.

  701. @Jack D

    ‘…The reason that #2 and 3 are in a “gulag” is that they are fighting their deportation. If they would voluntarily agree to go back home they could be on a plane tomorrow…’

    And that’s the only way they could be deported — and that’s the hang up. They can’t legally be deported.

    They haven’t committed a crime. They’ve merely displeased the Israel lobby.

    …and that’s what the Trump administration is being diverted towards. Screw getting rid of the tens of millions of illegals. Screw restoring our industry. Fentanyl? Vagrants?

    Never mind. Stop criticism of Israel and get that war with Iran. That’s what we need.

  702. @Colin Wright

    Recent assumptions notwithstanding, we do not rule the planet. The Constitution does not apply in France, nor do laws passed by Congress.

    I’m not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that there is a de facto issue that Congress’s writ doesn’t apply in foreign countries? Do you think the first amendment would permit Congress to censor an American citizen residing in France? Why would it permit Congress to censor a French citizen so residing then? Surely then you agree that American citizenship confers constitutional rights that foreign citizenship does not. Why are you so certain this changes because someone was granted discretionary permission to enter the USA?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  703. @Colin Wright

    There’s no such thing as diplomatic immunity? Learn something new every day.

    You seem to not understand the jurisdictional difference between local and federal authority. “Diplomatic immunity” only partially restrains local authorities. There, another thing you’ve learned today. Baby steps for you, but progress nonetheless. 🙂

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  704. @Colin Wright

    the worst atrocities committed by a First World state since the Nazis put down the Warsaw Uprising

    Do you have constant nightmares about “atrocities” past and present?

    Colin, are you religious?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  705. @Colin Wright

    Fuck, Jack. This isn’t even law school. It’s high school civics.

    The most retarded regular commenter has long been Corvinus. As of late, you look to be a successful challenger to the ‘crown’. You might want to slow down and review your comments history (once Ron fixes the bugs) and see if you experience a cringe reflex. If not, uh-oh.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  706. epebble says:
    @Jack D

    There is no evidence (I am aware of) that they refused to go home after being informed of visa revocation. They were never given a chance. Masked and hooded strongmen came at dusk to whisk them away. DHS could have informed them of visa revocation and given them 72 hours or so to leave. Like the procedure for persona non grata notification. They are respectable scholars who would not have vanished into thin air with family and assets around.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  707. @Adam Smith

    Seriously, Donald Trump X’d that?

    Michael Scott explained this years ago:

    • LOL: Adam Smith
  708. muggles says:

    These open threads are now down to about 15 commentators making 90% of the comments.

    You know who…

    The signal/noise ratio down considerably.

    Colin W and Corvey now vying for 50% or more it seems. Coln W now leading.

    I may be forced over to Substack since if comments worth reading get any fewer, not much gold in the gravel here left.

    Plus, I’m missing out on New Trends in Golf Course Architecture or film review for stuff I would never watch.

    NUUK NOW!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  709. @Mike Tre

    Agreed, and let me add something that might help:

    It might look like it is , and the pressure from you know to pick on those foreign students that say certain things is probably part of this, but this is not a free speech issue. The fact is, foreigners on visas and even Nationals (with Green Cards) CAN be kicked out of the country. It might be because of this, and it might be because of that. It might be because someone said something we don’t like.

    Now, I don’t think that’s the way to go, SOLELY. The way to go is to start the process of sending home any foreigner who gets involved in US politics, period!* Other countries would do the same thing. Try to imagine it, Colin – you are in Spain** as a foreign exchange math student, and you join protests against whatever. No, you might not get sent home, but you might. If you do, I really doubt you would consider that unexpected. Yes, as AD wrote, the US is a patsy.

    Next, the Admininistration, via the State Dept., really ought to consider sending a large majority of foreign students home. I explained what the whole foreign student infiltration is mostly about here (in other TUR comments).

    .
    * Yes, of course, along with a deportation program designed to get 40,000,000 illegal aliens to go home too – much bigger numbers and a bigger priority I will agree.

    ** I take that as a random generic example of a pretty normal place.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
  710. @kaganovitch

    I’m not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that there is a de facto issue that Congress’s writ doesn’t apply in foreign countries? Do you think the first amendment would permit Congress to censor an American citizen residing in France? Why would it permit Congress to censor a French citizen so residing then? Surely then you agree that American citizenship confers constitutional rights that foreign citizenship does not. Why are you so certain this changes because someone was granted discretionary permission to enter the USA?

    American law only applies to people who are on American territory.

    This is all really quite obvious. I would submit, though, that the obvious leads to conclusions you don’t like, so you find it necessary to obfuscate.

  711. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The most retarded regular commenter has long been Corvinus. As of late, you look to be a successful challenger to the ‘crown’. You might want to slow down and review your comments history (once Ron fixes the bugs) and see if you experience a cringe reflex. If not, uh-oh.

    I’m not too worried.

  712. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    ‘You seem to not understand the jurisdictional difference between local and federal authority. “Diplomatic immunity” only partially restrains local authorities.’

    Zzz.

    ‘Diplomatic immunity is a principle of international law by which certain foreign government officials are recognized as having legal immunity from the jurisdiction of another country.’

    As I thought. Now, are you going to waste more of my time claiming the untrue?

    There, another thing you’ve learned today. Baby steps for you, but progress nonetheless.

    No comment.

  713. Mike Tre says:
    @Colin Wright

    “It would be easier to relax if we weren’t currently sponsoring and enabling the worst atrocities committed by a First World state since the Nazis put down the Warsaw Uprising,”

    More hysterical nonsense.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  714. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Do you have constant nightmares about “atrocities” past and present?

    Colin, are you religious?

    I do object to atrocities we sponsor.

    This isn’t China, Burma, or the Congo. Without us, Israel couldn’t be murdering women and children by the tens of thousands. She herself admits she would have run out of ammunition a good year ago. And never mind our groveling, supine, utterly revolting support for those crimes (‘US blames Hamas for Israel’s killing of 15 emergency workers in Gaza’, for example).

    And now we’re working on silencing criticism of Israel’s crimes. By any device we can dream up. And since the rule of the law is now being dispensed with, the prospects for this are bright.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  715. Jack D says:
    @Colin Wright

    Hmm, that’s funny. Israel wasn’t committing any atrocities in Gaza on October 6, 2023. Was there something that the Gazans did on the following day that changed the status quo? Gazans are not opposed to atrocities, they just want to be the ones committing them.

    • Agree: muggles
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  716. @Jack D

    Hmm, that’s funny. Israel wasn’t committing any atrocities in Gaza on October 6, 2023.

    Oh. In 2023 alone, Israel had already killed more than two hundred Palestinians by October 6th.

    October 7th wasn’t the Palestinians attacking; it was the Jews having to take it for once as well as getting to keep dishing it out.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  717. @Mike Tre

    “It would be easier to relax if we weren’t currently sponsoring and enabling the worst atrocities committed by a First World state since the Nazis put down the Warsaw Uprising,”

    More hysterical nonsense.

    It sounds like hysterical nonsense, doesn’t it?

    But it’s not. It’s fact — and we support it. At least we opposed the original Nazis.

  718. Corvinus says:
    @Mark G.

    In the end, the bill passed. It got held up in the “Democrat controlled Senate” because of Senator Rand. You neglected to include this important detail.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  719. Corvinus says:
    @kaganovitch

    “But there is hardcore evidence as Mr. Anon wrote in his reply”.

    He is on his way to the glue factory. Anyways, he has the audacity to say he doesn’t trust the media (yet links to a source) AND doesn’t trust Muzzies (yet somehow believes what the guy says).

    Listen, his story is anecdotal. It may or may not be true. Besides, there hasn’t been any corroboration. The source even acknowledges there has been this rumor persisting, and that the man allegedly was told this “fact” years ago.

    So, no, it is NOT hardcore proof.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  720. Corvinus says:
    @muggles

    “Colin W and Corvey now vying for 50% or more it seems. Coln W now leading.”

    F–face, it’s called having a discussion.

    “I may be forced over to Substack since if comments worth reading get any fewer, not much gold in the gravel here left.”

    Then go. No one is stopping you.

  721. @Colin Wright

    And now we’re working on silencing criticism of Israel’s crimes.

    So far, has that “criticism” done any good for Palestine? Seems like those critics aren’t convincing enough people here that the drama in the Levant matters. The campus protests/occupations themselves are a fun sideshow pitting hypocritical Jews against their golems, and I love how the protests give President Trump and friends a pretext to put the hammer down on ‘higher education’.

    And since the rule of the law is now being dispensed with,

    All you’ve offered on that score are red herrings and non sequiturs. Cite a law that has been broken by the Trump administration. You haven’t yet, because you’ve still got nothing. You’re as bad as Jack D for making false claims and ignoring rebuttals to those claims.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Disagree: Colin Wright
  722. Corvinus says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “So you say. You might want to read this”

    I already addressed this OR statement in Comment 689. Pay closer attention next time.

    Again, TdA is NOT a nation or a foreign government, nor is part of the Venezuelan government, nor has Venezuela or TdA invaded or threatened to invade our nation. The act has only been a power invoked THREE TIMES IN WARTIME. So far, the courts in their proper and legitimate function–despite your virtue signaling–have ruled it cannot used against nationals of a country—Venezuela—with whom the United States is not at war, which is not invading the United States, and which has not launched a predatory incursion into the United States.

    George Fishman, who worked for Trump in his first administration in Homeland Security, said that the law could not be applied here since “I don’t think their actions can be attributed to those governments. And even if they could, then the question comes up of whether mass illegal immigration constitutes an invasion. That argument has been made … but no federal court has yet accepted it. So that would be another hurdle”.

    So far, the courts in their proper role (checks and balances!) have indicated it is a patently bad faith move for the executive branch to unilaterally say that migration is an invasion, or that non-state actors are foreign governments, and thus must be automatically removed without a hearing.

    Furthermore, from epebble…

    Give a list of “rioting and pogroms” done by:

    1. Ranjani Srinivasan of India, Doctoral candidate at Columbia (terrorized by ICE into ‘self-deporting’ to avoid being held in a Gulag in Louisiana)

    2. Dr. Badar Khan Suri of India, a Post Doctoral candidate at Georgetown (held in a Gulag in Louisiana)

    3. Rumeysa Ozturk of Turkey, a Doctoral candidate at Tufts (held in a Gulag in Louisiana)

    This sounds like Gulag on American soil since they are in indefinite detention far from their usual place of residence for primarily thought crimes.

    The motive seems to be to jack up the number of deportations for political advantage combined with ease of seizing those that are easily traceable.

    Legal Process: Individuals facing deportation under this provision are entitled to a removal hearing before an immigration judge, where they can challenge the allegations and present evidence in their defense. Case Example: The recent arrest of Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia University graduate student and lawful permanent resident, highlights the application of INA § 237(a)(4)(A)(i). Khalil was detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents, who cited his involvement in activities allegedly aligned with Hamas, a designated terrorist organization. Despite not being charged with a specific crime, the Department of Homeland Security claims Khalil’s actions have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the U.S., thereby justifying deportation under this provision**. Legal Challenges: Khalil’s legal team argues that his detention violates his First Amendment rights, asserting that his pro-Palestinian activism constitutes protected free speech. This case underscores the complex balance between national security concerns and individual constitutional rights, particularly regarding freedom of expression for non-citizens.

    **This comes directly out of Stephen Miller’s playbook. So why are you supporting Jewish policy when you have given the distinct impression you are not fond of their machinations. Furthermore, Bruce Jenner, show us exactly how and why Khalil is a direct threat to U.S. foreign policy, at worst, or “potentially has serious adverse foreign policy consequences” for America, at best.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  723. epebble says:

    Cite a law that has been broken by the Trump administration.

    OK, how about U.S. Public Law 118-50 AKA 15 U.S.C. § 9901 AKA Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act

    An Act to protect the national security of the United States from the threat posed by foreign adversary controlled applications, such as TikTok and any successor application or service and any other application or service developed or provided by ByteDance Ltd. or an entity under the control of ByteDance Ltd.

    Enacted by the 118th United States Congress, Signed into law on April 24, 2024

    Also, TikTok v. Garland: Petition for review denied. TikTok Inc. and ByteDance Ltd. v. Garland, No. 24-1113 (D.C. Cir 2024). Decided January 17, 2025

    This was ‘fixed’ with a EO 14166 on January 20.

  724. @Colin Wright

    “American law only applies to people who are on American territory.”

    This is what you wish to be true not what is actually true.

    Consider the case of Manuel Noriega:

    “Following his capture Noriega was transferred to a cell in the Miami federal courthouse, where he was arraigned on the ten charges which the Miami grand jury had returned two years earlier.[162] The trial was delayed until September 1991 over whether Noriega could be tried after his detention as a prisoner of war, the admissibility of evidence and witnesses, and how to pay for Noriega’s legal defense.[163] The trial ended in April 1992, when Noriega was convicted on eight of the ten charges of drug trafficking, racketeering, and money laundering.[164] On July 10, 1992, Noriega was sentenced to 40 years in prison.[165]”

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  725. J.Ross says:

    Israel and Turkey are directly fighting in Syria, there are reports of Israeli reconnaissance planes downed, Turkish assets and personnel on a military base including engineers were hit.
    https://twitter.com/MenchOsint/status/1907551447547523173

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @res
  726. @Corvinus

    So far, the courts in their proper and legitimate function–despite your virtue signaling–have ruled it cannot used against nationals of a country—Venezuela—with whom the United States is not at war

    You might want to cite and quote those supposed court cases, bucko. If not, you got nothing.

    So far, the courts in their proper role (checks and balances!) have indicated

    Ohhhh, “indicated”. But not ruled. Still nothing from you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  727. @Colin Wright

    American law only applies to people who are on American territory.

    Wot. Are you saying that the American military has only killed people on “American territory”, and all foreign wars involving American forces are just fictional stories? Wow, I must be deeper in Plato’s cave than I thought!

  728. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    He is on his way to the glue factory.

    No where near it, you little f**k.

    Anyways, he has the audacity to say he doesn’t trust the media (yet links to a source) AND doesn’t trust Muzzies (yet somehow believes what the guy says).

    I never said I don’t trust muslims. I at least don’t insult them by calling them “muzzies”, using the lingo of conservatives whom you despise in order to gain………what, exactly? Rhetorical points. Who knows with you – you’re such a meathead. I don’t trust the media, but then I don’t trust Congressional representatives either, certainly not Ilhan Omar. And, of course, I don’t trust you.

    Listen, his story is anecdotal. It may or may not be true. Besides, there hasn’t been any corroboration.

    That’s better than anything you say, which is bound to be false, you mewling nitwit.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  729. @James B. Shearer

    Alright, crimes committed in America, then. Noriega was indicted, tried, and convicted of offenses related to smuggling drugs into the United States.

  730. @J.Ross

    Just so long as Israel has a war.

    It’ll be interesting to see when this finally ends.

  731. @kaganovitch

    ‘…But there is hardcore evidence as Mr. Anon wrote in his reply.

    Said ‘hardcore evidence’ seems to consist of the unsupported allegations of one Abdihakim Osman, retailed in the Daily Mail (!)

    Admittedly, I just skimmed the article. Perhaps I missed something.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  732. Mark G. says:
    @Corvinus

    It got held up in the Senate by Rand Paul for the reasons I gave you, that he did not want duplicate programs. When he was assured that would not be the case, he lifted his objection.

    First you said Elon Musk opposes cancer research for kids. When I pointed out that was not the case, rather than acknowledge that, you switched to Rand Paul opposes cancer research for kids. Now that I have pointed out that is also not true what is your gripe now, that Paul supported one child cancer research program rather than another child cancer research program you prefer? Maybe he opposed the other program for some reason other than he hates children and wants to see them die.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  733. @Mark G.

    Libertarians oppose all publicly funded research.

    They think the US would be better off if Musk gets a tax break over funding cancer research.

    That is in their platform. No Federal funding for medical research.

    Why would we assume that Rand Paul is any different?

    His dad Ron Paul supports legalizing all drugs including fentanyl.

    In fact Ron Paul supported open borders before switching to the Republican party. That’s public record and I have provided it many times to disgruntled libertarians.

    Libertarians: Did you know that Ayn Rand was an atheist that admired a child killer?

    Ayn Rand’s Admiration of Murderer-Dismemberer William Edward Hickman
    https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/03/07/18640112.php

    It’s really kind of funny how libertarians get upset over verifiable facts. They claim to value free speech until you start talking about their heroes.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    , @muggles
  734. Mark G. says:
    @John Johnson

    There are a lot of diseases, a lot of theories on the cause of each disease, and a lot of theories on how to treat each disease. How can politicians rationally decide which research projects get funded? They can’t. They do not have the knowledge for that.

    What just ends up happening is that research institutions with the most political influence get the government money. You have a corrupt system that benefits corrupt politicians and corrupt recipients of government money.

    The main function of government should be to prevent the use of force between people, such as having a military to prevent foreign invasions or police to prevent crimes. The government should not be engaging in force itself by transferring money from taxpayers over to those with political pull.

  735. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    During the 1950s the US government tried, sometimes successfully, to deport foreign-born people with Communist histories back to their countries of origin. In 1958 government representatives grabbed the Finnish-born William Heikkila as he was leaving work in San Francisco. They loaded him onto a plane and flew him to Helsinki, still in his light California clothes and with only pocket change. Only at midnight did they tell his wife why he wasn’t coming home. Heikkila had been a Communist in the 1930s and had been contesting deportation for years. It emerged that the Justice Department had acted precipitously and due process had not been served, and at public expense Heikkila had to be brought back. He died in 1960 in the USA, still fighting deportation attempts.

  736. @Jack D

    Smart white people like Donald Trump know that it is better to get some smart Jews on your side. Calling all Jews the root of all evil is not a good way to go about this.

    From the way Trump hangs out with Jews, and has his name on various projects in Israel, long before politics, I am gonna say he likes hanging out with Jews, and considers them his people, if that makes sense. No other way to interpret the blank check he wrote Bibi, in terms of what could be done to Gaza. Frankly, if Bibi doesn’t milk Trump’s tenure for all he can, in terms of resolving Israel’s territorial issues, Bibi is every bit the wimp some Israelis accuse him of being.

  737. Jack D says:
    @epebble

    Maybe they should have been offered this courtesy, but it’s not too late. They can leave for home TODAY. Any time they stop fighting their deportation they will be on the next plane out of here.

    A lot of what the government does is INTENTIONALLY humiliating, in order to set an example for others. When the government has say a prominent political figure arrested for “election racketeering” they publicly release his mug shot in order to discourage others from similarly offending. (Sometimes this backfires politically).

    • Replies: @epebble
  738. res says:
    @J.Ross

    If Turkey and Israel go to war then what happens with Article 5 of NATO?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_in_NATO

    The details seem important. Some excerpts from the treaty. Emphasis (aside from section headings) added.
    https://www.nato.int/cps/ua/natohq/official_texts_17120.htm

    Article 5

    The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

    Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

    Article 6

    For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

    – on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
    – on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.

    As I understand it:
    – Israel has so far only attacked Turkish assets in Syria.
    – If Israel were to attack Turkish land (or in Turkish airspace?) the above would apply.

    How do others see this?

    Article about the Israeli attacks on a Syrian airbase.
    https://www.twz.com/air/israel-craters-runway-to-keep-turkey-from-taking-over-syrian-airfield

    Also see this.
    https://www.twz.com/news-features/israel-turkey-tensions-mounting-over-air-bases-in-syria

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  739. @Colin Wright

    See the series of posts from Powerline Stand by your sham. Representative samples ..
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/07/david-steinberg-tying-up-loose-threads-in-the-curious-case.php
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/09/stand-by-your-sham-datapoints.php

    Evidence is basically

    1- Full name of Ilhan’s father would yield Nur Said Elmi for son.
    2- NSE is flagrantly gay making marriage likely fraud (brother or not)
    3- Since scrubbed social media posts from NSE calling Ilhan’s daughters “my nieces”.
    4- Ahmed Hirsi (real husband) using address where Ilhan purportedly lived with NSE contemporaneously.
    5- Ilhan and NSE ‘marriage’ by Christian goodwhite minister.
    6- Since scrubbed social media posts showing Ilhan and NSE together in London in 2015, a time when she purportedly lost contact with him per divorce claim docs.
    7- Ongoing familial relationship between Sarah Noor/Nur (Ilhan sister) and NSE well documented on social media, since scrubbed.
    8- Ahmed Hirsi coming along to N. Dakota State when married ‘couple’ Ilhan and NSE attended.
    9- Various docs demonstrating that Leila Elmi of London, UK is Ilhan’s sister and various other docs demonstrating that she is also NSE’s sister.

    There’s some other stuff that I’m forgetting but seems compelling to me.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Corvinus
  740. @kaganovitch

    ‘There’s some other stuff that I’m forgetting but seems compelling to me.’

    But conversely…did you read the Snopes piece?

    To make a long story short, the evidence seems inconclusive to me — and her constituents want her as their representative in Congress. Their choice.

    If you don’t like that, work to defeat her at the polls. In any case, if you actually do have a case that Omar committed immigration fraud, the standard of proof required to bring about her defeat at the polls should prove a lot lower than it would to obtain her conviction in court. I might not be able to get Woody Allen locked up for child abuse — but I bet I can keep him out of Congress.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Brutusale
  741. res says:
    @Colin Wright

    But conversely…did you read the Snopes piece?

    Be careful trusting Snopes. They can be a good source of references for further research, but seem to engage in selective presentation of evidence and FUD too often for my taste.

    One thing to try is looking for a controversial topic with which you are familiar and evaluate their presentation of that.

    In case Snopes’s bias is not clear, here they are on critical race theory.
    https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/05/27/what-is-critical-race-theory/
    Race is solely a social construct, right? /sarc

    For reference, here is the Snopes piece you linked about Ilhan Omar.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ilhan-omar-marry-brother/

    Here is kaganovitch’s comment with the Powerline links and his summary of the evidence.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/open-thread-2-2/#comment-7063260

    I haven’t delved into this enough to be sure of the truth, but I do think that Snopes piece consists mostly of FUD (particularly the Uncertainty and Doubt) directed against the Powerline accusations. In particular, I don’t see how they justify the Unfounded vs. Unproven label.

  742. epebble says:
    @Jack D

    They are not fighting their deportation. They are not being allowed to go home. The DHS rules are:

    F-1 students must leave the United States within 15 days of the termination date.

    https://studyinthestates.dhs.gov/sevis-help-hub/student-records/completions-and-terminations/termination-reasons

    These scholars are being held in Gulags for their thought crimes.

  743. @res

    ‘Be careful trusting Snopes. They can be a good source of references for further research, but seem to engage in selective presentation of evidence and FUD too often for my taste…’

    I agree. But ultimately…who hates Ilhan Omar, and why? Why should we trust their evaluation and presentation of the evidence any more than Snopes’?

    If a provable case can be made against her, great. Take it to court. Meantime, I’d rather put up with her than with the Zionists. After all, she’s under attack because she dared to say that the reason Congress is so much more strongly supportive of Israel than the American people at large are is because Congress is bought — not because of any putative shenanigans involving getting her brother into the United States (as Snopes very tellingly points out, why? If he really was her brother, that would have sufficed to get him in right there.)

    In any case, it is curiously analogous to the Left’s attacks on Donald Trump. They’re not upset that he engaged in extra-marital affairs; they don’t want his ideas to prevail in government. Ditto for those who stalk Ilhan Omar.

  744. @res

    As I understand it:
    – Israel has so far only attacked Turkish assets in Syria.
    – If Israel were to attack Turkish land (or in Turkish airspace?) the above would apply.

    How do others see this?

    At the moment, both sides seem to be intently acting as if nothing happened.

    That means one of two things.

    Either (a) it really didn’t happen,

    or (b) both parties find it inconvenient to admit that it happened. Turkey might not feel too optimistic about the potential outcome of war with Israel, while Israel might realize that it really could turn out to be a bridge too far if they start bombing a NATO power hundreds of miles from Israel’s legal borders.

    • Replies: @res
  745. res says:
    @Colin Wright

    Seems to me only one side is being quiet.
    Israel destroys Assad-era military assets across Syria, sends warning to Turkey
    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-848620

    In Israel, the message to Syria’s leader was clear: Do not cross red lines. Defense Minister Israel Katz said on Thursday that he warned Syrian leader Al-Joulani, “Do not allow hostile forces to enter Syria and jeopardize Israeli security interests, or you will pay a heavy price.”

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  746. @res

    Seems to me only one side is being quiet.
    Israel destroys Assad-era military assets across Syria, sends warning to Turkey
    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-848620

    That is decidedly not the same thing as killing actual Turkish troops.

    Whether that happened is an unknown. Maybe it did, but it was an actual boo-boo.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  747. Corvinus says:
    @kaganovitch

    Those articles have since been scrubbed–aka, the links are dead. Seems like Fake News on the part of a (Jewish) writer.

    There have been similar efforts of fabrication.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/world/false-headline-claim-ilhan-omar-faces-40-years-in-prison-and-deportation-idUSKBN22V27T/

    Politfact investigated Steinberg’s allegations in 2019.

    https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/jul/18/did-ilhan-omar-marry-her-brother-her-hometown-news/

    • Replies: @res
  748. @res

    Be careful trusting Snopes. They can be a good source of references for further research, but seem to engage in selective presentation of evidence and FUD too often for my taste.

    I’d go a little further with that thought, Res. Snopes and dozens of other “fact-checking” sites are complete lefty propaganda. The way they work is they have SEO such that their blurbs that deign (OK, LIE) to say the exact opposite of any big Conservative news story appear and fill up the first 3 pages of search results.

    I have seen this with something I know about in great detail. I did a search and noted that Snopes and all the rest were lying about this subject.

    • Replies: @deep anonymous
  749. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    • Troll: Corvinus

    Troll is offended. Cry, little troll, cry.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  750. Those articles have since been scrubbed–aka, the links are dead.

    Just tried them, they work fine.

    Politfact investigated Steinberg’s allegations in 2019.

    Their conclusion is not exactly a ringing endorsement of Ilhan’s probity “Since the article came out, no one has come forward with smoking-gun, decisive proof that would make it look like we missed something. You see circumstantial evidence that begs for some kind of explanation from a member of Congress, but there’s no smoking gun that she married her brother.”

    I will note that the beginning of the Politifact article
    “Here are some of the key points from their report:

    • In 2002, Omar, then 19, religiously married Ahmed Hirsi, but not legally. Omar and Hirsi had two children, but in 2008, they obtained a religious divorce. The following year, in 2009, Omar married Ahmed Nur Said Elmi both religiously and legally.

    Little is known about Elmi, other than that Omar has referred to him as a “British citizen” and that he attended high school in the Minneapolis area and, like Omar, later attended North Dakota State University.

    • In 2011, Omar and Elmi divorced religiously, but remained married legally. In 2012, Omar and Hirsi reconciled and had a third child. In 2017, Omar legally divorced Elmi, and the following year, she legally married Hirsi.” consists mostly of transcribing ex post facto claims by Ilhan to explain away her apparent bigamy/joint filing tax issue.

    There is no evidence/witnesses that Ilhan and Hirsi obtained a religious divorce in 2008. Nor is there evidence that Ilhan married NSE in a Muslim ceremony. Nor is there any evidence that Ilhan and NSE divorced religiously in 2011. The only basis for any of this are just-so stories from Ilhan when backed into a corner.

  751. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    Yes. For example, in December 2022 I got in my Twitter feed, or was it X by then, an Israeli cop on the West Bank having an altercation with a Palestinian youth. The cop then pulled his pistol out and shot the youth in the head. The incident was filmed by another Palestinian on the other side of the road. No consequences for the cop. I doubt whether it was even give much coverage in Anglophone Twitter, but the item like much of my Twitter feed comes from Turkish sources, and they are more willing to show the dark side of Zion.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @muggles
    , @Colin Wright
  752. @Achmed E. Newman

    I recall reading that the entire “fact-checking” universe is basically astroturfed. Financially and logistically coordinated by our enemies, including behind-the-scenes coordination with governments. I thought that was one of the primary revelations from the release of the Twitter files.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  753. Brutusale says:
    @Colin Wright

    Just two countries fighting over the control of a neighboring failed state. A year ago, it was American and Russian forces, now it’s their proxies.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/rare-firefight-erupts-between-israeli-troops-jolani-militants-syrias-south

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  754. Brutusale says:
    @Colin Wright

    You might want to slow your roll defending Snopes. The founding couple went through a bitter divorce when the husband took up with a porn actress; he’d been hooking up with escorts behind his wife’s back. The wife sold her half of the business to a vendor, and Snopes has been begging for money since. A highly credible rumor suggests Snopes is taking that sweet, sweet Soros money.

    Mikkelson is a whore monger…
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730092/Snopes-brink-founder-accused-fraud-lying.html

    …a plagiarist…
    https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-arts-and-entertainment-8254cd876d91d04a79e53ebac9f358e5

    …and an embezzler.
    https://dailycaller.com/2016/12/21/snopes-co-founder-accused-of-embezzling-company-money-spending-it-on-prostitutes/

    I especially like the part about the Snopes employee, a self-described lefty, who likes to get high and do her fact-checking!

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  755. @deep anonymous

    Thanks, D.A.. I believe it. I have a screenshot of evidence from something like 2 years ago. It had to do with the Kung Flu vax and a story I DID know a lot about.

    You can’t easily get real information even if you know these people are liars. All these different FCL (“Fact-Checking” Liar) sites fill up many pages of search result blurbs, so you have to go way deep in or keep trying other search sites. (Yandex is often more helpful but sometimes gives the same-old-same-old.)

    It’s pretty evil, is what it is.

    • Agree: deep anonymous
  756. HA says:
    @res

    “I will be happy to do that if you agree to respond in kind.”

    How about you start with the top 3 forecasts I’ve issued, and we’ll take it from there? And that’s being generous to an extent above and beyond anything you deserve, given the embarrassing display of idiocy we witnessed earlier, which I will recap, in the interest of keeping track of the real accuracy howlers here, given that you somehow seem to have overlooked them.

    Specifically, I am referring to the COVID-truther article that got you and Mr Anon and Mark G so upset with me, which I will again remind you was based on a SAMPLE SIZE OF ONE, involving a death that occurred a FULL YEAR AND A HALF after a COVID shot, complete with a hook consisting of weasel words (we know you love those. am I right?) with the vaccine stated as “POTENTIALLY PLAYING A ROLE” in the death.

    Admittedly, I almost sped right past it. But then, I naïvely thought to myself, hey, the just-a-flu bros have had a couple of years in which to put together some kind of sensible counter-argument, let’s see what they’ve managed to scrape up in all that time. And as it turns out, underneath the evidence-free refrains of “see, we were right all along”, it turns out the bros still have nothing but hot air with which to back up their outrage, which is why they have to scour some predatory-publishing scam journal for a headline, hoping that no one will ask questions in the way I did.

    So hot was the resultant burn from this smackdown, that three blind mice immediately jumped out of the sewers where they bide their time in to provide comic relief by scurrying around like Keystone Kops and desperately attempting to shift the attention elsewhere. Specifically, we had Mark G (who had slapped an agree on the original comment) trying to double down on his science illiteracy with a corresponding ignorance on the Civil War, we had Mr. Anon with his usual rambling spew of meaningless invective, and then YOU, figuring this was somehow the right moment to question me about MY accuracy. Really? After that steaming pile of stupidity J Ross had dumped into this thread, you think I’m the one who needs to be monitored? Odd timing, wouldn’t you admit?

    So get over yourself. I see through your flimsy devotion to accuracy, and recognize it for the damage control that it is. Read the fine print on my offer and note that it is contingent on you exhibiting a dedication to accuracy that gets past the anti-vaxx echo chamber and loony bin you’ve squirmed into to avoid those ouchy needles. In other words, the next time you and Mark G and Mr. Anon feel like you need to question anyone’s accuracy, it had better not be right after you’ve given loons like J Ross a complete pass (or even, as in Mark G’s case, a thank-you).

    • Replies: @res
  757. res says:
    @HA

    If you want me to engage with something you posted that long ago include a link.

    So get over yourself.

    Physician, heal thyself.

    • Replies: @HA
  758. HA says:
    @res

    “include a link.”

    I did. If you’re color-blind, or your monitor doesn’t distinguish blue font from black, do a ctrl-f on “COVID-truther article” and click on that (or else ctrl-f for any of the other passages of text I bold-faced or enclosed in double quotes, and you can locate the comment itself without any links).

    Or else, assuming the comment numbers are stable, you can also find it at #178. Orelse, just click on the reply from links the site helpfully provides at the top of each comment. Lots of ways to skin that cat, even without me spelling them out.

    All of which again makes me think that your inaccuracy radar is suspiciously intermittent given what it fixates on and what manages to slide right past it, to the point where it’s impossible for you to even locate it without assistance.

    • Replies: @res
  759. Corvinus says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “You might want to cite and quote those supposed court cases, bucko. Ohhhh, “indicated”. But not ruled. Still nothing from you.”

    JFC, you’re getting murdered here, and deservedly so. The courts indicated, i.e. ruled on the matter, that Trump’s interpretation of the law is unconstitutional.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/judge-blocks-trump-administration-stripping-deportation-protections-venezuelans-2025-03-31

    https://www.wbaltv.com/article/appeals-court-trump-venezuelan-deportations/64300946

    https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-weigh-if-trump-administration-violated-order-not-deport-venezuelans-2025-04-03

    Should the Supreme Court ultimately weigh in? Absolutely. Because as I indicated in a previous comment, the conservatives in order to be ideologically consistent must take the textualism approach in statutory interpretation and an originalist approach in constitutional interpretation.

  760. res says:
    @HA

    I had already followed that link so it showed up as low contrast purple. It looks like you were responding to J. Ross and had Mark G respond to you. I don’t appear in the links in any of those three comments so not sure what that has to do with me.

    If you have an issue with one of my comments link to it. Otherwise, stop attributing the views of others to me.

    • Replies: @HA
  761. @Brutusale

    ‘Just two countries fighting over the control of a neighboring failed state. A year ago, it was American and Russian forces, now it’s their proxies.’

    But who worked to make sure that state failed? Ever notice what happens to states adjacent to Israel?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  762. muggles says:
    @John Johnson

    Although he doesn’t claim to be a “libertarian” “jack johnson” here is happy to tell us about “what they believe.”

    So, all Wokies believe the “same thing.” Ditto conservatives, liberals, leftists, moderates?

    Yes there is a tiny political party called “Libertarian”. They have a platform which a few dozen or even several hundred party members have voted upon (not unanimously of course) to reflect their views at the time. They do these every four years since 1972.

    Does this process involving a few party members establish what all libertarians believe now, today?

    How about Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Socialists?

    Ayn Rand denounced “libertarians” by the way. Does that affect your analysis?

    Your tiresome anti libertarian rants here are foolish.

    Did someone calling themselves a libertarian once steal your girlfriend? Boyfriend?

    Your claims about Ron and Rand Paul are equally foolish.

    If you think these notional “libertarians” are responsible for America’s problems the last few decades, you are living in a different country than I am.

    But enjoy your ignorance here. Just stop trying to infect others with your nonsense.

  763. muggles says:
    @Wielgus

    like much of my Twitter feed comes from Turkish sources, and they are more willing to show the dark side of Zion.

    The Turkish government has long been publicly hostile to Israel. They are a Muslim nation officially.

    You believe some person from Turkey is not beyond misusing or faking something to post on Twitter/X?

    Do you also trust Iranian or Iraqi posters?

    You obviously aren’t Armenian.

    Maybe this was real and in context, or not. Muslim Palestinians have attacked Israeli citizens in Israel ever since it was founded. Bad stuff no matter who is doing it.

    However, I have yet to read of any news regarding Israeli citizens going to neighboring countries and attacking civilians in those places. Violence begets violence.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Wielgus
  764. @Wielgus

    ‘Yes. For example, in December 2022 I got in my Twitter feed, or was it X by then, an Israeli cop on the West Bank having an altercation with a Palestinian youth. The cop then pulled his pistol out and shot the youth in the head. The incident was filmed by another Palestinian on the other side of the road. No consequences for the cop….’

    I wonder if that’s still up?

  765. @muggles

    ‘However, I have yet to read of any news regarding Israeli citizens going to neighboring countries and attacking civilians in those places…’

    Norway? Iran? Tunisia? Libya? Egypt? Jordan? Iraq? Lebanon? Palestine? Germany? Columbia University? UCLA?

    • LOL: muggles
  766. res says:
    @BenKenobi

    It’s pretty bad. For more accurate metrics search for variants of “HA says” (currently 14 for HA). Just searching names picks up both action buttons and replies from and to.

    • Thanks: BenKenobi
  767. HA says:
    @res

    “If you have an issue with one of my comments link to it.”

    It’s the fact that you presume to be a worthy arbiter and dispenser of metrics when it comes to the “accuracy of [my] statements” (as well as predictions I never made), while letting sample-size-of-one gems from J Ross and his ilk slide ride past you — THAT is what is at issue here. It’s that crickets-chirping absence of your dweeby commentary whenever it might get in the way of your desperate need for affirmation from your fellow anti-vaxx and other conspiracy loons.

    Oftentimes, one needs to pay attention to when the dog DIDN’T bark if one really wants to solve the mystery.

    Are you telling me that even something as simple as that needed spelling out? Admittedly, the embarrassingly sub-par ctrl-f skills should have alerted me that something was off, but come on.

    • LOL: res
    • Replies: @res
  768. res says:
    @HA

    It’s the fact that you presume to be a worthy arbiter and dispenser of metrics when it comes to the “accuracy of [my] statements” (as well as predictions I never made), while letting sample-size-of-one gems from J Ross and his ilk slide ride past you — THAT is what is at issue here.

    I choose what I engage with. Not you. A hint regarding that. I tend not to view *ssholes favorably. Especially lying *ssholes. Your tactic here of holding me accountable for everyone else’s comments just demonstrates how unable you are to effectively respond to MY comments.

    Regarding your accuracy comment I am assuming you are referring to the #HAisaLIAR thread. Let’s revisit that for context.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/my-movie-review-of-conclave/#comment-7038577

    Regarding “predictions I never made” I am intrigued by why you are so exercised that I asked you to make a prediction regarding the outcome of the Ukraine/Russia war. The only explanation I am coming up with is you don’t like having your cowardice exposed. Perhaps you can offer an alternative?

    • Replies: @HA
  769. HA says:
    @res

    “I choose what I engage with.”

    Yeah, and those oh-so selective choices say as much about you as any comment. When it comes to Snopes or any number of other topics, you’re full of helpful warnings and cautions and concern-trolling. And yet, when I drop in to throw egg on the faces of those dispensing the usual sample-size-of-one COVIDiocy, it slips right past you and you instead think it’s a good time to question my accuracy on Ukraine or whatever, as if that will fool anyone who’s paying attention. It didn’t fool me.

    I didn’t hold you accountable for anyone’s accuracy. YOU did that. If you had any interest in accuracy whatsoever, you’d be more circumspect about the crowd of loons you’re so desperate to conform to, given the outrageous lapses in sanity that get met with “Thanks” around here. But that won’t happen, will it? So spare me your one-sided concerns about my accuracy and who’s lying around here.

    “Let’s revisit that for context.”

    Oh, look — he’s suddenly re-learned how hypertext works, at least sort of. Convenient! But no thanks, we’re not going to play double-down best-two-out-of-three, and shifting the argument elsewhere whenever you don’t want to deal with the topic at hand. You also don’t get to slap “daunting” on a graph and then pretend it’s anything other than another one of those scary weasel words you resort to when you’ve got nothing of substance. That’s right up there with “potentially playing a role”. It’s no wonder you had no problem with that, but like I said, your selective lack of concern is as worth discussing as anyone’s accuracy. Fix your own issues, physician, and then work on mine. Speaking of which, maybe it’s time for you to expand your phrase-book of putdowns and find a less hackneyed comeback than the one about healing thyself, wouldn’t you say? You can always just keep slapping LOL’s too. I doubt you’re ever going to stop thinking that’s somehow clever.

    • LOL: res
  770. Wielgus says:
    @muggles

    Officially, Turkey is in fact a secular state, not a Muslim one. Erdoğan has undermined that in practice, chipping away at it gradually, but that is still the wording on the label. Anyway, apart from a minority near the Syrian border, Turks are not Arabs and they are taught the Arabs betrayed the Ottoman Empire in WW1. Turkey was also the first Muslim-majority country to diplomatically recognise Israel.

    You believe some person from Turkey is not beyond misusing or faking something to post on Twitter/X?

    Do you also trust Iranian or Iraqi posters?

    And Israelis always tell the truth? For example, that story they told about feeling threatened so they just had to kill 15 Red Crescent paramedics in Gaza is unravelling fast.

    You obviously aren’t Armenian.

    Why would being Armenian make me think an Israeli policeman would never gun down a Palestinian kid? But if I was Armenian, I would wonder why the Holocaust is all over school syllabuses but relatively few people know about the genocide of Armenians… Is your lobby so much stronger? And if so, why?

    However, I have yet to read of any news regarding Israeli citizens going to neighboring countries and attacking civilians in those places. Violence begets violence.

    Israelis go to neighbouring countries all the time, and bomb them or fire missiles. And then there are the ground incursions. You obviously do not read widely enough.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Har-Zion

    He liked to go on illegal forays into Arab countries. Apparently this was considered a rite of passage for elite Israeli youth. Sometimes violence arose. “Violence begets violence.” Yeah, I read the Old Testament too. Hardly a pacifist document…

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  771. HA says:
    @BenKenobi

    “Can’t really Ctrl-F for “HAck” but going by comment history I’m tracking 9 and 1 is too many.”

    If you clowns would just ignore me, we could cut that comment number down considerably, but that never seems to happen, does it? This time, given that the self appointed “accuracy metric” monitors and dispensers of “pro tips” chose to doze off on their self-appointed rounds, I was the one who dared to peek beneath the hood of yet another COVID urban legend — according to which the vaccines can supposedly come back and kill you a decade late — only to discover that the “research” on which this claim was based had a SAMPLE SIZE OF ONE, a DELAY OF A YEAR AND A HALF, and a connection to the vaccine consisting of the phrase POTENTIALLY PLAYING A ROLE (i.e. wishful thinking and weasel words). And all of this was dispensed in some predatory publishing scam. In other words, comedy gold.

    This embarrassing spectacle, not to mention my horrific lack of decorum and unwillingness to accept the COVIDiocracy narrative, resulted in a frenzy of pearl-clutching and shrieking from said rodeo clowns caught with their pants down, to the effect that I’m actually the real liar and coward and whatever else, which is the exact opposite of ignoring me, and so there we are. If you want to blame anyone for that, look within.

  772. So, having lost his best writer, Unz is still trying to cash in.

    David Cole put it best when he wrote of Sailer and Unz,

    And that’s all Unz.com is these days. Unz writing about Holocaust denial, Andrew Anglin writing about “satanic blood-drinking kikes,” and Steve Sailer, the jazzman who plays the whorehouse, belting out incredible music as depravity occurs around him.

    • Replies: @Curle
  773. Curle says:
    @Mike Tre

    Ireland’s “leadership” if you can call it that has sold them out to their globalist masters just like the rest of the West.

    I’m not sure America’s southerners ever sold out their people on a similar scale. Sure, they gave in to Grant and there’s been some southern White cucks here and there over the years, but the capital of White cuckery remains North of the Mason Dixon and on the West Coast. I know southerners who use Christianity as a shield to avoid critical commentary re: their neighbors from the ghetto. But I don’t see their women going as far out of their way as to hallucinate White causation for Black bad behavior as do women in college towns and on the western side of the western states.

  774. Curle says:
    @International Jew

    writing about Holocaust denial

    Holocaust denial as in giving a number of dead under 6 million or do you have something else in mind? I’m not saying he’s given a number below 6 million but just to ensure Holocaust denial fits within reliable parameters, what is your measuring stick? Accept the 6 million number unequivocally plus full throated denial of Jews playing the role of political or military spoiler? What test are you subjecting him to?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  775. Mike Tre says:
    @Curle

    The official Auschwitz Museum revised it’s total number death from 4 million to 1.1 million as far back as the 90’s, but the 6 million number still remains.

    • Replies: @HA
  776. Brutusale says:
    @Colin Wright

    Indeed, but it’s humerous that the project began under no friend of Israel, Obama, and his Three Harpies.

  777. HA says:
    @Mike Tre

    “The official Auschwitz Museum revised it’s total number death from 4 million to 1.1 million as far back as the 90’s, but the 6 million number still remains.”

    This has been addressed repeatedly. Short answer: “Few (if any) historians ever believed the Museum’s four million figure [as stipulated by Soviet/WarsawPact officials], having arrived at their own estimates independently. The museum’s inflated figures were never part of the estimated five to six million Jews killed in the Holocaust…”

    If you want a breezier discussion (but still far more substantive than the meandering conspiracy ravings of some Chicago truck driver and creepy girls’ coach), see.

    https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4gmxqm/why_the_count_six_million_still_persists_when_the/

    Also, just because a given number of Jews didn’t die at Auschwitz per se, it doesn’t mean they made it out safe and sound. The film-maker Billy Wilder believed for decades that his mother, grandmother and stepfather had perished at Auschwitz. Historical detective work revealed that that was not true. They perished at Belzec and at Nowy Tag. The fact remains that they perished.

    • Thanks: Mark G.
  778. @Colin Wright

    “And a good helper is a good helper. But one thing I noticed about Anthony. Whenever I used him, our tips were literally double what they would be if I used a white helper.”

    Interesting story. I am curious about one thing. Suppose Anthony had been the boss and you had been the helper. Do you think the tips would have been better, worse or about the same?

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