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From the New York Times news section:
Why It’s So Hard to Tear Down a Crumbling Highway Nearly Everyone Hates
The Interstate 81 viaduct in Syracuse effectively destroyed a Black neighborhood when it was built, and it has been falling apart ever since. But getting rid of it is complicated.
By Jim Zarroli
June 3, 2023These days, hardly anyone in Syracuse sees the hulking Interstate 81 viaduct as anything but a menace, an ugly 1.4-mile overpass that spews noise and pollution and has steadily worsened race relations in the city.
So when the New York State Department of Transportation finally decided in 2019 that the crumbling roadway should be torn down and replaced with a pedestrian-friendly boulevard, the kind of project that’s helped rejuvenate other American cities, a lot of people were excited.
“It sounds crazy, but this project will hopefully be one of the most transformative things to happen in this region in a hundred years,” said Joe Driscoll, who left his position on the Syracuse Common Council in 2022 when the city offered him a job as project director for the viaduct’s removal.
But actually demolishing a highway that nearly everyone seems to hate has proved more complicated than expected.
Part of this stems from the fact that the area primarily affected is Syracuse’s 15th Ward, a historically Black neighborhood that abuts the highway and has long borne the brunt of its impact. Residents in the 15th Ward, despite the promise of the new development, are wary of gentrification and further disruption. But city planners have also faced a string of legal challenges from suburban communities that say the viaduct’s removal will harm businesses outside the city.
… Today, fewer and fewer people are alive who can remember the neighborhood in its heyday, when its streets were home to flourishing restaurants, barber shops and clothing stores, some of them Black-owned.
After World War II, large numbers of African Americans came to Syracuse to work in factories such as Carrier, the air-conditioning manufacturer. Virtually all of them moved to the 15th Ward, a sliver of a neighborhood between downtown and University Hill, home to many of the city’s colleges and hospitals. They did so largely because restrictive covenants barred Black people from buying or renting elsewhere in the city, according to Kishi Animashaun Ducre, the associate dean for diversity, equity and inclusion at Syracuse University, who has studied housing patterns in the city.
But within the 15th Ward, life could still be sweet, recalled Clarence Dunham, who grew up there and has seen the changes first hand. “In Syracuse, the Black neighborhood was very small,” Mr. Dunham recalled. “Most of the families knew everybody. If they didn’t know you, their grandparents did. Or they knew your mother, your father, your uncles. It was very tight-knit, and it was lovely.”
In other words the black community in Syracuse wasn’t very big and was composed of hard working ambitious people. But then its quantity exploded and its quality declined as poor Southern blacks poured in after the state of New York boosted welfare in 1961
Here’s the umpteenth article I’ve read about how a Racist Road destroyed a thriving black neighborhood in 1956-1966. But where now are the thriving black neighborhoods that were spared? Every city has its own excuse for the collapse of its black districts.
Rather than attributing each and every black business district’s demise to some specific 1960s local urban renewal project, isn’t it more likely the national cause was that lower blacks became more numerous and criminal in Northern cities and middle class blacks could move out?”
Also, middle class blacks during the Civil Rights era often switched from being small businessmen in the black business district to middle managers in corporations and government. Thus black neighborhoods today often have nice residential streets but bad commercial streets.
African Americans since the 1960s just aren’t that interested in small business. I can recall being shocked in 1990 to discover that in Chicago, owning a retail shop selling black hair care products, once the prototypical black business, was now dominated by Korean immigrants.
And it must have been discouraging for African Americans who wanted to own a small business in their own neighborhood, normally a reasonable and respectable ambition, to be crushed by workaholic Koreans with 110 IQs who’d come 10,000 miles to run a dry cleaner in the ‘hood.
Is there today a thriving non-immigrant black business district in urban America? I know of quite nice black residential neighborhoods, such as View Park-Windsor Hills in L.A., but I’m drawing a blank on today’s black commercial sectors to rival Harlem in Charlie Parker’s day.
Magic Johnson made some money in the late 1990s bringing Starbucks and a movie theatre to the commercial streets near the best black neighborhoods south of Beverly Hills, but they’ve been pretty marginal since 2008
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“It sounds crazy, but this project will hopefully be one of the most transformative things to happen in this region in a hundred years,”
They will be more intelligent, better behaved once it is gone.
It’s sad that in the time that Syracuse and NY State people spend just arguing over what is to be done with this 1.4 mile stretch of old road, in China, they’d have built 500 miles of high-speed rail.
Well, if you mean the streets, as in the pavement itself and the gutters and storm water drains, sure. Yet, one can tell very easily when he is driving through a Black! neighborhood, with not a soul in sight, and not even a Crown Vic on blocks in a yard.
That's actually an argument in favour of the US although you might not realize it.
The sensible parts of the high-speed railways were built long ago -- but China kept building and building. Almost all the lines are a huge money pit.
What would be much more sensible for China is ordinary roads (China still doesn't have a lot of those), highways (China has too many in some places and too few in others), maybe a few more metros -- and airlines, lots of new airlines.
A large part of the Chinese airspace is cordoned off by the military for no good reason at all + the Chinese public has been conditioned to thinking that trains = good and fast trains = plus good and plains = double-plus ungood luxury. Planes are actually cheaper (and better) between many of the cities served by high-speed trains.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
It’s not that they’re not interested. It’s that they don’t have “the necessities”. Even in colonial Africa such as Uganda, Indians came from 4,000 miles away to run the shops. This is the flaw with AD’s “one people” ideal. One people doesn’t necessarily possess all possible talents any more than one human does.
This is not what happened. Any black run dry cleaner was so poorly run that they went out of business. The owner didn’t enjoy working 84 hours weeks anyway. The owner then got a job at the motor vehicle office where incompetence is tolerated and 40 hrs is considered a full week plus you get pension and benefits.
Asian immigrant businesses operate on the 99% perspiration, 1% inspiration method. It’s not that they are so brilliant, it’s just that they are incredibly hard working. And they have an intuitive feel for business in the same way that blacks have a natural talent for playing basketball.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FHDwRECFL8M&pp=ygUVamVmZmVyc29ucyB0aGVtZSBzb25nReplies: @ScarletNumber
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Again, you keep grossly exaggerating the % of blacks in public employment.
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Blacks are about 1/2 as likely as whites to have self-employment income; it's less common but not unknown.
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As for dry cleaners, in everyone I've been in in the last 40 years, the staff looked decidedly underemployed.Replies: @kaganovitch, @possumman
Seriously, it's hilarious how pathetically stupid Jewish arguments are once you understand the con.
No wonder that the rest of the world is walking away from you guys. You have nothing to offer but grandiose stories.
are the roads in South Africa racist? what about the railroads? or for that matter, the railroads in India, that seem to kill so many Indians. it’s because they’re racist, right?
……..But there are so many better ways to get rich ……..basketball, rapper ,when one of your jackass relatives gets shot by the cops winning a big judgement and maybe getting to swan around with Al Sharpton.
Ah yes, Highway 8814, or the Erika. The last time I swore out loud I had just heard over the radio about a huge grant to correct unsafe railroad and automobile road crossings. Heckuva job, Buttie.
There’s a distinctly limited supply of blacks who are (a) reasonably intelligent, (b) able to get to work on time, and (c) able to conduct themselves in a reasonably business-like manner during working hours.
In an affirmative-action world, these few, these happy few, are inevitably going to be identified by hungry corporations and put on the magic escalator to a five hundred thousand a year vice-president of whatever slot or something; everyone will kind of squint and make it work.
Given that, why should one of these few blacks sweat blood making a small business go?
“Kishi Animashaun Ducre, the associate dean for diversity, equity and inclusion at Syracuse University”
Steve could have made his point just as well by making that the entire text of the article, thereby saving the wear and tear on his fingers of typing the rest of it.
“a highway nearly everyone hates”?
Lots of people don’t hate it.
Here are the plaintiffs who like the highway so much they are suing to keep it:
Onondaga County Legislator Charles Garland,
former Syracuse Police Chief Frank Fowler
“Other suburban politicians”
Charles Pierce-El, president of the Southside Homeowners Association
New York State Motor Truck Association
Bishop Carl Clark of Open Arms International Ministries
Spafford Town Supervisor Christopher Kozub
Citizens to Preserve the Character of Skaneateles.
The NY ACLU is heavily involved. Seems like they have dropped the pretense of being about civil liberties and instead are just a pure anti-White hate group now. Their
“brief underscores the environmental and racial justice necessity to tear down the I-81 viaduct to remedy the displacement and destruction of the 15th Ward, and replace it with the Community Grid. The NYCLU argues that Renew I-81’s plan to keep the highway in place or build a new, higher structure will perpetuate the same racist history and failed practices of the past five decades, forcing Black residents to shoulder the effects of the highway for the benefit of the predominately whiter, wealthier businesses and residents in the suburbs.”
It is a bold journalist who begins his article with a claim that is such obvious bullshit. Then again, it seems like that is the Times' metier these days. I-81 is placed where it is, running longitudinally through a valley, for the same reason that any highway is so sited: it's the best site. The racial stuff is just the Times' standard reaction to any story. If there is a racial angle, they will exploit it.
As you point out, the opposition to the Community Grid (basically making a heavily traveled Interstate into a city street, with traffic lights etc.) is significant, consisting of not just local politicians and commuters, but also the owners of one of the few viable large shopping malls in Syracuse, who see the loss of easy customer access and the ruination of their business.
The existing eastern loop highway 481 would be forced to absorb almost all of the heavy truck and auto traffic. Fast forward to the inevitable February white-out (for those of you from sunnier climes, this is when snow falls or blows so fast that you can't see 200 feet ahead) and you will have a traffic jam of Biblical proportions.
The real reason for the Community Grid? Unlike in 1959, the State is in big financial trouble, and Syracuse is not important enough politically any more for the politicians to spend big money on rebuilding the raised highway.
I will confess to a fear that the actual highway construction will proceed with the same efficiency that other local projects have...for example a one block stretch of main road leading into Syracuse has been closed for repairs since April 6. Speculation is that either dinosaur bones have been discovered, or the site is planned to be the extreme northern portion of the 2nd Avenue Subway.
I’ve got it know
In addition to the usual racial focus, this is a great example of the Times's seething cosmopolitan bias.
The part that made me laugh was resistance within the black community to replacing the interstate with a pedestrian, business, and neighborhood friendly boulevard because of fear of gentrification. Please don’t go makin’ my neighborhood nicer and more liveable because more affluent (white) people will buy in and pioneer the place into respectability. Well, raise my rent.
Here in the East Bay there is a movement to remove the two-mile long I-980 freeway in Oakland which I believe was completed sometime in the 80’s. It’s just the continuation of CA-24 which runs from Walnut Creek in central Contra Costa County through the affluent towns of Lafayette ad Orinda and then through the Caldecott Tunnel in the Oakland Hills into Oakland, where it spills over onto I-880 South which runs along the eastern bay shore to San Jose. It gets the higher-level interstate designation because of some funding thing, and the change in designation confuses even some locals.
The horror of the I-980 is that it divides black West Oakland from downtown Oakland, which is maybe 1/2 mile to the east. Of course there are several bridges/exits that cross over or under the freeway. Removing it would make access to and from downtown, Jack London Square, the Coliseum Complex, Oakland Airport and points southeast a lot more difficult from Central CoCoCo and points furthur east. And incidentally for myself who lives in SE Berkeley, along with Oakland’s more affluent Rockridge and Montclair districts.
As a “compromise” some suggest building over it and making park land. We all know what would happen to that.
Interstate 81 once boasted the Penn-Can Mall, catchily named for its equidistance from the Pennsylvania and Ontario borders– ca. 82 miles, as the Eastern bluebird flies– which 81 connected. It didn’t last 25 years before its conversion to an auto mall, Driver’s Village. In the ’70s, there was this fear that malls were taking over. Now that fear looks quaint. How many new technologies will be obsolete in 25 years?
The flip side of the 1920s immigration restrictions still in effect. Cheap white labor was mostly cut off. From abroad, that is– the number of white migrants to the Midwest was not that different from the number of blacks, was it?
(Many of Michigan’s white rockers had family roots in the South. Eddie Cochrane was born in Minnesota, of all places, to an Oklahoman family– Albert Lea was the site of a branch of a Tulsa company, to which Dad was transferred. Not all Okies went west!)
They’ve destroyed Wakanda! You maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!
This story is a bit like Steve's bugaboo, the lynching of Emmitt Till. The man is dead, but the story keeps being revived.
They opened a Whole Foods in Chicago’s notorious Englewood neighborhood. It last six years. I’d assume it operated at a loss all six of those years.
I’ll say it again.
The official hysteria over “racist roads” is fueled by white and gay gentrifiers that are using blacks as a human political shield.
Asian immigrant businesses operate on the 99% perspiration, 1% inspiration method. It's not that they are so brilliant, it's just that they are incredibly hard working. And they have an intuitive feel for business in the same way that blacks have a natural talent for playing basketball.
https://youtu.be/uSQ_lWEtMb4?t=73Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Alarmist, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @OilcanFloyd
Yep, this is why the descendants of the Jew friendly Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth–Poland, Belarus and your native Ukraine–rose to greatness and dominate the modern world while one-peoplish joints like England, France, the West generally, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, now China are such pathetic backwater dumps no one wants to live in.
Even today, a lot of heritage English complain about how they Chafe under the ‘Norman Yoke’ even a good 957 years later.
And Cornwall not just has its own language, but English didn’t become the dominant language in Cornwall until 1750.
Not to mention that the Welsh language is different enough from English as to be unintelligible to English speakers, even though Wales is all of 130 miles from London. Italian is closer to English than Welsh is.
For someone who thinks about race all day, and says the same thing every day, you know surprisingly little.Replies: @Colin Wright
The problem, you see, is that when they built those highways in the ‘hoods of America’s cities, they carted away all the magic dirt to the mostly White countryside and ‘burbs.
So they can tear down the highways, but they won’t achieve their ambitions for these neighbourhoods unless they bring back all the magic dirt. They might also throw in a few magic beans and some golden-egg-laying geese for good measure, to give the oppressed a leg up in life.
I guess it depends on the people. Maybe the British are so high IQ that they didn’t need any help but for the Ugandans, things got better when the Indian shopkeepers showed up. God was stingy and only made 44 million white Britons – not enough to populate the whole planet with their blessings, though they sure tried.
Generally they would take British women were they available, but that was rarely the case in the Services.
https://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poem/poems_ladies.htmAnd if you were a single British man in large parts of the Empire, you were ipso facto a high-status individual. But it could be tragic if the Brit bride you brought out was a Weihan follower and did NOT ALLOW.
https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/maughamws-completeshortstories01/maughamws-completeshortstories01-00-h.html#theforceofcircumstance
Asian immigrant businesses operate on the 99% perspiration, 1% inspiration method. It's not that they are so brilliant, it's just that they are incredibly hard working. And they have an intuitive feel for business in the same way that blacks have a natural talent for playing basketball.
https://youtu.be/uSQ_lWEtMb4?t=73Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Alarmist, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @OilcanFloyd
So, you’re saying The Jeffersons was a fairytale?
I’m skeptical of this claim. I could certainly be wrong – I’m sure there were realtors who steered prospective buyers from certain subdivisions/neighborhoods – but “largely the result of restrictive covenants?”
Wasn’t Jim Brown a local hero while playing for Syracuse in the late 50s?
I really cannot imagine the loser mindset that comes from blaming your problems, your neighborhood’s problems, your family’s problems, etc. on a 60 year old road. It is just mind-boggling to me. Take a step back and it is insane. That is three generations. That’s a long time. We’re talking about a damn road here. A road. Their neighborhood is apparently dysfunctional because of a road, when, as Steve points out, other groups are able to come to that same neighborhood, penniless, with no connection to it, and find success within a small fraction of those sixty years.
Okay, so let’s get rid of the road – fine. Oh, but that will cause even more problems, so now we need to complain about the road while also simultaneously complaining about getting rid of the road. This is impossible. How can we find common ground and peaceful co-existence with these people?
https://www.gutenberg.ca/ebooks/macdonellag-englandtheirengland/macdonellag-englandtheirengland-00-h.htmlThat book was published in the 30s, but few were the Times editorials urging Britain to break with France and ally with Germany.It is not black people who've deindustrialised the USA, caused male working wages to be in decline since 1973, opened the Southern border, printed money whenever the markets fall, caused the opiate epidemic. or advanced NATO borders a thousand miles to the East.
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The goal should be to replace the slums with tatty neighborhoods populated with impecunious wage earners. These neighborhoods would still have an issue with street crime, school disorder, and deficits of retail trade but ones about 1/3d the dimension they had previously. This is an achievable goal, but one the bulk of the political class eschews.
The official hysteria over "racist roads" is fueled by white and gay gentrifiers that are using blacks as a human political shield.Replies: @Known Fact
Also by newspaper editors desperate to fill those Sunday fronts with some Woke of the Week feature.
Betweeen the NYT and Gannett’s Journal News (the infamous gun-owner database paper), NO Westchester-area road can ever escape the taint of racism — It either desecrates some black nabe that otherwise would be a Wakandan paradise, or deliberately avoids it in some conscious conspiracy to “underserve the community.”
Cheering for waves of illegal immigration has for decades been the Journal News’ other biggie. A couple of Sundays ago, with NYC trying to offload its human baggage up north, the huge headline was Migrants Face Hostility. Well no shit
Judging from those brave souls who cruise through inner cities to make America’s Worst Ghettoes YouTube vids, the cars can be pretty nice, even as everything else is desolate and dilapidated
> in China, they’d have built 500 miles of high-speed rail.
That’s actually an argument in favour of the US although you might not realize it.
The sensible parts of the high-speed railways were built long ago — but China kept building and building. Almost all the lines are a huge money pit.
What would be much more sensible for China is ordinary roads (China still doesn’t have a lot of those), highways (China has too many in some places and too few in others), maybe a few more metros — and airlines, lots of new airlines.
A large part of the Chinese airspace is cordoned off by the military for no good reason at all + the Chinese public has been conditioned to thinking that trains = good and fast trains = plus good and plains = double-plus ungood luxury. Planes are actually cheaper (and better) between many of the cities served by high-speed trains.
That is, if you can go from a big city's downtown to another's, trains can beat airliners on some medium length routes. Chinese people DO live in downtowns, by the many millions, while American don't like to live there because of ... reasons.
Secondly, our country has that northeast corridor, and a few cities that could be connected along the west coast, but otherwise a grid of train lines would have to be too big. China is more compact and has many multiples more big cities in a 2-D arrangement rather than 1-D.
I'll link you to Peak Stupidity (but, of course!) with Trains in the Orient vs. America.Replies: @Fred Boynton
Send this fish and chips rugged antipodean lady to Syracuse, New York, to settle things down. Down under broad is shaming me into doing some exercises to increase muscle mass.
Eat a cheeseburger and lift some weights is good advice to all people six foot three and 7/8ths of an inch tall and going at a reported 180 pounds.
Orangeman Up The Hudson. New York state and New Jersey had Scotch-Irish settlements in pockets.
They will be more intelligent, better behaved once it is gone.Replies: @Peter Johnson
LOL
Steve, you haven’t–yet–posted on the big news of the day: The LIV, PGA-Tour, Euro-Tour merger. I.e. everyone in golf taking the Saudi “blood money”. Globalization, rah! rah!
This may be the biggest coup by the Saudis since the discovery of oil. This is probably the outcome they intended from the beginning, and represents a pretty intelligent strategy if so.
Or maybe the whole thing will collapse when they have to negotiate the fine print.
Or somewhere in between, e.g., the resulting agreement will amount to less than it seems -- just prestigious titles for well-connected people (like the head of PIF who will be the chairman of the board), the opportunity for Saudis to hobnob in corporate hospitality tents, and a few grandiose but money-losing events in the Kingdom with the PGA flag flying in front. Basically Saudi Arabia adding a subsidy to the PGA Tour in exchange for prestige but no real impact on the operation, with a net positive economic flow to the tour and players.
Well said. His argument sounds more like a poor justification for introducing a parasitic class of middle-men.
Yes, it’s an asymmetry, but everyone here knows that. Anyway (and I know you were not the one who suggested this), “Giving blacks a separate nation” would be a disaster for them–quite possibly, most of them would die. And for those who don’t care a whit about blacks, any conceivable separation would be very disruptive for the rest of the country as well. Why not simply crack down on crime–more intensive policing, harsher penalties, etc? And while we’re dreaming, restrict the reproduction and immigration of people unable to support themselves.
BTW, Upstate NY seems a good setup for my “separation!” solution.
Unlike the NYC metro area it is overwhelmingly white. Separated it could be a pretty nice place under traditional American republican self-government. And blacks and good-whites–who opted for Rainbow citizenship–encouraged to head south to the city and American citizens from the metro welcomed to come on up.
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America’s early love affair with Antiquity still shows on this map
One upstater with a classical name, from Philadelphia-- New York's Philadelphia-- was Cassius Marcellus Coolidge. You might not know his name, but you will recognize his art.Replies: @Colin Wright
“not enough to populate the whole planet with their blessings, though they sure tried”
Generally they would take British women were they available, but that was rarely the case in the Services.
https://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poem/poems_ladies.htm
And if you were a single British man in large parts of the Empire, you were ipso facto a high-status individual. But it could be tragic if the Brit bride you brought out was a Weihan follower and did NOT ALLOW.
https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/maughamws-completeshortstories01/maughamws-completeshortstories01-00-h.html#theforceofcircumstance
Unlike the NYC metro area it is overwhelmingly white. Separated it could be a pretty nice place under traditional American republican self-government. And blacks and good-whites--who opted for Rainbow citizenship--encouraged to head south to the city and American citizens from the metro welcomed to come on up.Replies: @Technite78, @Redneck Farmer, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson
Except that NYC politicians essentially run the state house in Albany, which means that all the idiotic ideas about DIE, LGBTQ+, “White Supremacy”, law & order, etc. are codified in state law.
The only chance of “Separation” I see is if somehow the states were able to take back power from the Federal government and each state was able to manage themselves according to the dominant demographics… which might encourage people to move to the state that is governed in the way closest to their ideals. Who knows… it might lead to a mass voluntary segregation of the US on a state by state basis.
Meanwhile, those dastardly Russians destroy another piece of major infrastructure and cause another ecological catastrophe. NATO Secretary General has already publicly and on-record blamed Russia for this outrage despite it on-net hindering Russian troop deployments and threatening important infrastructure in Russian-occupied Crimea. But Ukrainian claims of Russian responsibility were confirmed by careful tea-leaf reading and ouija board scrying. NYT will eventually publish a comprehensive and hard-hitting analysis 30 years after it gets to Nord Stream 2. Sailer vows to tease readers with dozens of flood and water-related posts (Hurricane Katrina ~20 years later, the glory of Hoover Dam, Noah’s flood and its prefiguring in Sumerian myth, Kevin Costner’s WATER WORLD, Led Zeppelin’s WHEN THE LEVEE BREAKS) without ever actually mentioning the incident by name.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65819591
For the pipeline sabotage, the obvious winners--hence suspects--were the Ukrainians and to a lesser extent the Poles. (Any Russian gas had to flow through them, and the Russians couldn't try and wheedle the Germans.) When you move onto easy operational capability then you get the Americans and Brits.
For the dam--assuming it wasn't just old and overfull from poor Russian management of the spring melt--I would first think the "Russians" as flooding serves as area denial and a Ukrainian offensive is expected.
But freely confess, I don't know enough about the lay of land to tell whom it creates more difficulty for. And I certainly have zero insight into either side's military planning.
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I'm not Slavic and have no particular interest in nor love for Slavs and their people and culture. But definitely feel bad for the boys Ukrainian and Russian--and ordinary Ukrainian civilians--involved in this completely unnecessary cluster. Both joints badly need their competent guys to be working hard, knocking up the local girls and making more Ukrainians and Russians. Not killing each other.
Putin could do the world--and the Russian people--a big favor, by saying "I made a mistake" calling his armies back and shooting himself in the head. But unfortunately, that good ending never happens (at least until things get really bad). Rather it is the ordinary Joes who suffer the plans of the "big" men being "big".Replies: @Colin Wright, @PhysicistDave
Unlike the NYC metro area it is overwhelmingly white. Separated it could be a pretty nice place under traditional American republican self-government. And blacks and good-whites--who opted for Rainbow citizenship--encouraged to head south to the city and American citizens from the metro welcomed to come on up.Replies: @Technite78, @Redneck Farmer, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson
Had to make a delivery to upstate New York a few years ago. I remember thinking, “WTF are all the BLM sighs doing HERE”?
Roads, vehicles, guns, buildings…. the number of inanimate objects that hate Blacks is amazing!
I often wondered why this was a desirable niche for Koreans, among all the niches beyond dry-cleaning, that they could branch out to. Is it because black women want the straightest hair their money can buy, and Koreans have the straightest hair of all humans, approaching porcupine-quill texture?
I have posed this question to Mr. Twinkacetti, but he would not give a straight (pun intended) answer.
Young women in various poor, third world nations grow their head hair long only for them to have it , literally, cropped and harvested and sold for spot cash, the hair being sold by weight.
The vast majority of the hair so harvested is exported to the USA, and is purchased, almost exclusively by black American women.
Curiously, the normally vociferous and low brow woke American left, NYT, etc would rage and rage and rage, scream and shout their heads off about such a blatant and obvious exploitation of the poor third world by big money American capitalist interests are deathly silent about this trade.
“some of them Black-owned.”
There’s your answer, Steve. The word “some” is doing a lot of work there.
Attn Mr Sailer – A very pertinent example of the coalition of the fringes falling apart here in Alberta
Canadian lib teacher rants against Muslim students for skipping Groomer “Pride Day”, says “you don’t belong here”:
This Pride Month has been a sensitive issue this year as large numbers of students, mainly Islamic and African (and a few White Christians) have been skipping class during pride days. Up to 60% of some schools are reported absent on June 1.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1666256989331107848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1666256989331107848%7Ctwgr%5E251168638fb3d3609d1890f0172abe1dd3f4d1b5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F588505%2F
The classical liberals that I know are beginning to question all of this crap.Replies: @ChrisZ, @Alden, @Corvinus, @Colin Wright
Helen Andrews review of Eve Fairbanks book The Inheritors is out from behind the paywall at Claremont. Andrews’s review gives us a pretty good idea of our future while commenting on South Africa.
https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/look-back-in-anger/
That isn’t always the case, there are streets in Baltimore that from Google Street View look like you would be driving on the surface of the moon. Pulling up the images of the 15th Ward in Syracuse, it looks better than that, but not by a lot.
The double decker stretch of I35 in Austin, completed in 1975, has long been condemned as a racist road that “cut off” East Austin, with its historically black neighborhoods, from the prosperous downtown/university core.
I never quite understood how this was supposed to have worked… It’s not exactly difficult to get from one side of the freeway to the other. You can drive under/over it at 1st street, 6th street, 7th, 8th, 11th… there’s no shortage of crossings.
In fact, the easy commute from east Austin to downtown is a major reason for the rapid gentrification of east Austin over the last couple of decades.
But people have been repeating the mantra that 35 “cut off” East Austin for decades, and it goes completely unquestioned.
From what I can tell, east Austin had relatively prosperous black neighborhoods through the mid-20th century, including some notable clubs on the Chitin’ Circuit, but it had become largely a ghetto by the 80s, around the same time black neighborhoods in urban cores around the country were turning into ghettos. This happened to coincide with the construction of the I35 double decker, but I don’t see any causal mechanism. And again, the double decker hasn’t prevented the area from becoming a hotspot for gentrification in the 21st century.
Anyway, it is a bit of an eyesore, and I hope they follow through on their plans to redevelop it with parks, etc, though I’m a bit skeptical that it will ever happen.
I don’t know anything about this particular stretch of road, but for once I’m going to differ from most of you on a general question, in this case freeways, cities, neighborhoods, urban renewal generally … Post WWII development really was hard on American urban life, and the freeways and such that ran into, encircled and drained cities were particularly hard on poor neighborhoods.
(Fwiw, I’ve read a lot about post WWII urban development. Maybe that means I’m brainwashed but maybe that means I know a thing or two.)
What, you think that rich and powerful neighborhoods were going to let big ugly strips of concrete divide them up? I don’t think so. So the poor neighborhoods took the brunt. Even at the time, blacks who were forced out of their housing referred to “urban renewal” as “Negro removal.” Just a fact.
Urban renewal generally was part of a brassy post WWII confidence: we could solve any problem the way we’d just won the war. Big plans, military-style interventions, wrecking things and then lots of concrete. We beat the Nazis with that combo! Big housing, big freeways, flattening existing neighborhoods, strips of pavement meant to move people around efficiently … It pretty quickly turned into a horror show, as people realized that countries, cities and neighborhoods are living organisms, not diagrams and engineering problems. Crush ‘em, divide ‘em up, etc, and they die.
A lot of the blocks that got demolished were in fact functioning neighborhoods. How would you like it if a man from the government showed up at your place, ordered you to move, and demolished your home and destroyed your neighborhood? Thus we very quickly got the likes of Jane Jacobs speaking up in opposition. Who was the real progressive? The advocate of flattening and rebuilding, or the person who advocates treating society as an organism, respecting what we already have, and not viewing people as machines? Who’s the real conservative here?
Urban renewal may have begun with good intentions of the liberal/progressive/Civil Rightsy sort, but it quickly got taken over by real estate interests and racists.
Happy to be irreverent about a lot of crazy claims the Wokies make these days, but I’m not sure how there can be any disputing the assertion that freeways and urban renewal were hard on our black neighborhoods. Add in mass immigration and poor neighborhoods generally, many of them black, really took it on the nose. And our cities have never been the same since.
I’m generally not a Henry Louis Gates Jr. fan but I liked his memoir “Colored People,” about growing up in a trad black neighborhood. Gates is an advocate of integration but in his book he admits that there were a lot of nice things about living life among people who are a lot like you.
William Whyte’s “City” and Jane Jacobs’ “Death and Life of Great American Cities” are key reading too, as well as smart and humane. There’s a memoir/academic book out there by a black woman whose title I can’t remember that’s really good on post WWII urban renewal from the point of view of the blacks whose homes and neighborhoods were destroyed.
I dunno, does it really cost us much to admit that a lot of post WWII American development has been awful, as well as particularly (and unfairly) hard on black people?
The notion that only blacks were affected by this kind of development is also more than a little tiresome.Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
My grandparents were forced to move from inner city Philadelphia in the 50s because of road construction. This gave them the chance to move to the suburbs. My father and his siblings got to grow up in a spacious, green, safe environment with good schools. The value of my grandparents suburban house didn’t collapse as it would have in the 60s and 70s if they had stayed in Philadelphia. So, at least for my immediate family, the results of post-war urban development were beneficial.
Would it have been a different experience if my family were black? Given that a lot of post-war suburbs wouldn’t sell homes to blacks, that is certainly possible. But there were also black suburban communities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willingboro_Township,_New_JerseyReplies: @Jack D
Going way back in time to the era you're referring to, the mother of a good friend in Atlanta grew up in her family's hotel/restaurant on US 41 before I 75 existed. She talked about all of the famous baseball players she met on their way to and from spring training and was a lifelong fan. When I75 went in everyone went flying past a mile or so away and their hotel folded. No doubt that story was repeated in one form or another all the way from Chattanooga down to Naples. Whites who lost businesses and property value.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Fred Boynton
Perhaps not, but the more complicated part of the issue is the one Steve raised. The hollowing out of the black community creating and sustaining black middle class by the transition from segregation to integration.
The notion that only blacks were affected by this kind of development is also more than a little tiresome.
Meanwhile, much later on, the Central Artery through downtown that separated the North End and the waterfront was replaced by the Big Dig in the mid 2000s. I suppose that means that TPTB care more about Italians than Blacks.Replies: @Brutusale
Have a wrestle with this shortish posting. As far as I know there’s nothing factually inaccurate in it at all.
https://catalyst.independent.org/2020/04/02/how-the-u-s-government-destroyed-black-neighborhoods/
Asian immigrant businesses operate on the 99% perspiration, 1% inspiration method. It's not that they are so brilliant, it's just that they are incredibly hard working. And they have an intuitive feel for business in the same way that blacks have a natural talent for playing basketball.
https://youtu.be/uSQ_lWEtMb4?t=73Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Alarmist, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @OilcanFloyd
I’ve never heard of this stretch of roadway and I lived in the region for 17 years.
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Again, you keep grossly exaggerating the % of blacks in public employment.
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Blacks are about 1/2 as likely as whites to have self-employment income; it’s less common but not unknown.
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As for dry cleaners, in everyone I’ve been in in the last 40 years, the staff looked decidedly underemployed.
Running a small business is hard no matter what your race is. It is not the romantic enterprise portrayed on TV.
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Again, you keep grossly exaggerating the % of blacks in public employment.
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Blacks are about 1/2 as likely as whites to have self-employment income; it's less common but not unknown.
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As for dry cleaners, in everyone I've been in in the last 40 years, the staff looked decidedly underemployed.Replies: @kaganovitch, @possumman
That all depends on location. In suburbs a not insignificant percentage of dry clean business is driven by police uniforms. With more casual aesthetic of the 21st century, not all that many clothes are being dry cleaned. If you go to Boro Park/Flatbush with massive Orthodox Jewish populations where at least once a week (Sabbath) everyone is wearing dresswear, the drycleaners are busier than a one-armed paper hanger.
Very interesting post Paleo. Let me challenge your thesis a little. Was being eminent domained out of your urban neighborhood as bad an experience as you propose?
My grandparents were forced to move from inner city Philadelphia in the 50s because of road construction. This gave them the chance to move to the suburbs. My father and his siblings got to grow up in a spacious, green, safe environment with good schools. The value of my grandparents suburban house didn’t collapse as it would have in the 60s and 70s if they had stayed in Philadelphia. So, at least for my immediate family, the results of post-war urban development were beneficial.
Would it have been a different experience if my family were black? Given that a lot of post-war suburbs wouldn’t sell homes to blacks, that is certainly possible. But there were also black suburban communities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willingboro_Township,_New_Jersey
But there was also a tradeoff. You lost the solidarity of living with people of a common background. You might not even know your neighbors anymore - everyone just stared at their TV screens instead of interacting with the people next door. Instead of the butcher and the baker who knew you by name and your order by heart, you had more rootless anonymity when you shopped. You lost the ability to go anywhere on foot - every trip was a car trip.
While the suburbs offered a lot of physical conveniences, there was a very high social cost. Corporate America loved it though because suburban residents all became interchangeable "consumers" .Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
Unlike the NYC metro area it is overwhelmingly white. Separated it could be a pretty nice place under traditional American republican self-government. And blacks and good-whites--who opted for Rainbow citizenship--encouraged to head south to the city and American citizens from the metro welcomed to come on up.Replies: @Technite78, @Redneck Farmer, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson
Or Roman, or Athenian. Look at the place names!
America’s early love affair with Antiquity still shows on this map
One upstater with a classical name, from Philadelphia– New York’s Philadelphia– was Cassius Marcellus Coolidge. You might not know his name, but you will recognize his art.
Isn't there a Delhi somewhere?Replies: @Ganderson
Racism is the name for whatever the “cultural élite” don’t like, and which they can pin on white people. This is proving to be almost anything, especially since there’s little to no pushback from…..white people.
From the article. Did anyone else hear a rude buzzer upon reading the word some?
(To me, it shows that the journalists’ experience of such neighborhoods derives mostly from Eddie Murphy movies.)
All out of THANKS but that was good.
I’m anxiously awaiting Steve’s take on the merger between LIV and the PGA.
Koepka’s tweet about Chamblee was savagely on point. Given Steve’s recent views, I’m wondering if he’s in Chamblee’s camp.
Such a d-bag.
The PGA did to its players what American corporations have been doing to the working class for decades. They ask for loyalty and then screw them over at the first chance that they get.
Lots of people don’t hate it.
Here are the plaintiffs who like the highway so much they are suing to keep it:
Onondaga County Legislator Charles Garland,
former Syracuse Police Chief Frank Fowler
“Other suburban politicians”
Charles Pierce-El, president of the Southside Homeowners Association
New York State Motor Truck Association
Bishop Carl Clark of Open Arms International Ministries
Spafford Town Supervisor Christopher Kozub
Citizens to Preserve the Character of Skaneateles.
The NY ACLU is heavily involved. Seems like they have dropped the pretense of being about civil liberties and instead are just a pure anti-White hate group now. Their
“brief underscores the environmental and racial justice necessity to tear down the I-81 viaduct to remedy the displacement and destruction of the 15th Ward, and replace it with the Community Grid. The NYCLU argues that Renew I-81’s plan to keep the highway in place or build a new, higher structure will perpetuate the same racist history and failed practices of the past five decades, forcing Black residents to shoulder the effects of the highway for the benefit of the predominately whiter, wealthier businesses and residents in the suburbs.”Replies: @additionalMike, @Alden, @EdwardM
“These days, hardly anyone in Syracuse sees the hulking Interstate 81 viaduct as anything but a menace, an ugly 1.4-mile overpass that spews noise and pollution and has steadily worsened race relations in the city.”
It is a bold journalist who begins his article with a claim that is such obvious bullshit. Then again, it seems like that is the Times’ metier these days. I-81 is placed where it is, running longitudinally through a valley, for the same reason that any highway is so sited: it’s the best site. The racial stuff is just the Times’ standard reaction to any story. If there is a racial angle, they will exploit it.
As you point out, the opposition to the Community Grid (basically making a heavily traveled Interstate into a city street, with traffic lights etc.) is significant, consisting of not just local politicians and commuters, but also the owners of one of the few viable large shopping malls in Syracuse, who see the loss of easy customer access and the ruination of their business.
The existing eastern loop highway 481 would be forced to absorb almost all of the heavy truck and auto traffic. Fast forward to the inevitable February white-out (for those of you from sunnier climes, this is when snow falls or blows so fast that you can’t see 200 feet ahead) and you will have a traffic jam of Biblical proportions.
The real reason for the Community Grid? Unlike in 1959, the State is in big financial trouble, and Syracuse is not important enough politically any more for the politicians to spend big money on rebuilding the raised highway.
I will confess to a fear that the actual highway construction will proceed with the same efficiency that other local projects have…for example a one block stretch of main road leading into Syracuse has been closed for repairs since April 6. Speculation is that either dinosaur bones have been discovered, or the site is planned to be the extreme northern portion of the 2nd Avenue Subway.
Gotta say I’m glad I’m not a David French fan. What a morally compromised mess.
In an affirmative-action world, these few, these happy few, are inevitably going to be identified by hungry corporations and put on the magic escalator to a five hundred thousand a year vice-president of whatever slot or something; everyone will kind of squint and make it work.
Given that, why should one of these few blacks sweat blood making a small business go?Replies: @Adolf Smith
Because its his baby?
Lots of people don’t hate it.
Here are the plaintiffs who like the highway so much they are suing to keep it:
Onondaga County Legislator Charles Garland,
former Syracuse Police Chief Frank Fowler
“Other suburban politicians”
Charles Pierce-El, president of the Southside Homeowners Association
New York State Motor Truck Association
Bishop Carl Clark of Open Arms International Ministries
Spafford Town Supervisor Christopher Kozub
Citizens to Preserve the Character of Skaneateles.
The NY ACLU is heavily involved. Seems like they have dropped the pretense of being about civil liberties and instead are just a pure anti-White hate group now. Their
“brief underscores the environmental and racial justice necessity to tear down the I-81 viaduct to remedy the displacement and destruction of the 15th Ward, and replace it with the Community Grid. The NYCLU argues that Renew I-81’s plan to keep the highway in place or build a new, higher structure will perpetuate the same racist history and failed practices of the past five decades, forcing Black residents to shoulder the effects of the highway for the benefit of the predominately whiter, wealthier businesses and residents in the suburbs.”Replies: @additionalMike, @Alden, @EdwardM
So the anti White ACLU and black activists want to tear down the overpass and force White commuters onto surface roads. Where the blacks can carjack, Rob, assault seriously injure rape and murder Whites at red lights and stop signs.
I’ve got it know
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America’s early love affair with Antiquity still shows on this map
One upstater with a classical name, from Philadelphia-- New York's Philadelphia-- was Cassius Marcellus Coolidge. You might not know his name, but you will recognize his art.Replies: @Colin Wright
Then — I assume a little later — you get names that are simply foreign exotica. Paris, Canton, Pekin, Moscow, Mahomet, Toulon, Nv (!)
Isn’t there a Delhi somewhere?
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Again, you keep grossly exaggerating the % of blacks in public employment.
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Blacks are about 1/2 as likely as whites to have self-employment income; it's less common but not unknown.
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As for dry cleaners, in everyone I've been in in the last 40 years, the staff looked decidedly underemployed.Replies: @kaganovitch, @possumman
Even if the staff is underemployed you have to be there all day and can’t be high, asleep or stealing from the till
Abe, not sure what the dam bursting has to do with my point about the non-awesome long-term development of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth after becoming a Jew friendly paradise. (It was great for the Jews–huge population expansion, dwarfing the natives … but for the natives and their nations?)
For the pipeline sabotage, the obvious winners–hence suspects–were the Ukrainians and to a lesser extent the Poles. (Any Russian gas had to flow through them, and the Russians couldn’t try and wheedle the Germans.) When you move onto easy operational capability then you get the Americans and Brits.
For the dam–assuming it wasn’t just old and overfull from poor Russian management of the spring melt–I would first think the “Russians” as flooding serves as area denial and a Ukrainian offensive is expected.
But freely confess, I don’t know enough about the lay of land to tell whom it creates more difficulty for. And I certainly have zero insight into either side’s military planning.
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I’m not Slavic and have no particular interest in nor love for Slavs and their people and culture. But definitely feel bad for the boys Ukrainian and Russian–and ordinary Ukrainian civilians–involved in this completely unnecessary cluster. Both joints badly need their competent guys to be working hard, knocking up the local girls and making more Ukrainians and Russians. Not killing each other.
Putin could do the world–and the Russian people–a big favor, by saying “I made a mistake” calling his armies back and shooting himself in the head. But unfortunately, that good ending never happens (at least until things get really bad). Rather it is the ordinary Joes who suffer the plans of the “big” men being “big”.
Look: by Russian standards, Putin is pretty good. You don't want the alternative.Replies: @Wielgus
I know one T.D. who’ll be in favor of this (and who knows who else?). Keep an eye on people in case they say something racist! Win-win!
America’s future looks bright!
Youth & minorities leading the way.
Holy cow! Separation!!!!
Meanwhile in North Syracuse (95%) white, I-81 is not racist.
Amazing how much more racist roads get as you head south. Must be those red-necks.
Youth & minorities leading the way. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Screenshot-2023-06-06-at-3.15.13-AM-1122x1536.pngReplies: @AnotherDad
Who are these people?
Holy cow! Separation!!!!
Asian immigrant businesses operate on the 99% perspiration, 1% inspiration method. It's not that they are so brilliant, it's just that they are incredibly hard working. And they have an intuitive feel for business in the same way that blacks have a natural talent for playing basketball.
https://youtu.be/uSQ_lWEtMb4?t=73Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Alarmist, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @OilcanFloyd
I was just thinking the same thing. I read that Israel is 74% Jewish. What a poverty of skills and talent they must have with that one people super-majority! Let’s get the world-wide immigration train going – destination Israel!
You also have to understand that "Jewish" in Israel can mean wildly different things, ranging from black Ethiopians to bearded Hasids to total atheists to Russians who really aren't Jewish at all. Even if Israel was 100% Jewish it would still be a wildly diverse place.Replies: @Art Deco
You could definitely spot the diversity administrator in this piece even without the title being spelled out, LOL.
Also touches on one of the intractable issues of trying to help black neighborhoods. They want nice amenities and so on, but don’t want it nice enough whites move in and somehow believe there is a balance that can be struck – but it can’t. Either there are enough issues and/or the real estate just isn’t that good and whites and better businesses stay way, or there is enough possible upside that the dreaded forces of gentrification move in. Really the only shield against this is maintaining enough disorder and dysfunction in the neighborhood and public institutions to chase a critical mass of whites away – like in Chicago.
Mel Gibson.
Okay, so let's get rid of the road - fine. Oh, but that will cause even more problems, so now we need to complain about the road while also simultaneously complaining about getting rid of the road. This is impossible. How can we find common ground and peaceful co-existence with these people?Replies: @Sam Hildebrand, @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon, @Art Deco
Sort of like simultaneously complaining about white flight and gentrification. They don’t want to find common ground, they just want to bitch.
Unlike the NYC metro area it is overwhelmingly white. Separated it could be a pretty nice place under traditional American republican self-government. And blacks and good-whites--who opted for Rainbow citizenship--encouraged to head south to the city and American citizens from the metro welcomed to come on up.Replies: @Technite78, @Redneck Farmer, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson
Agree.
Okay, so let's get rid of the road - fine. Oh, but that will cause even more problems, so now we need to complain about the road while also simultaneously complaining about getting rid of the road. This is impossible. How can we find common ground and peaceful co-existence with these people?Replies: @Sam Hildebrand, @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon, @Art Deco
Jim Crow.
For the pipeline sabotage, the obvious winners--hence suspects--were the Ukrainians and to a lesser extent the Poles. (Any Russian gas had to flow through them, and the Russians couldn't try and wheedle the Germans.) When you move onto easy operational capability then you get the Americans and Brits.
For the dam--assuming it wasn't just old and overfull from poor Russian management of the spring melt--I would first think the "Russians" as flooding serves as area denial and a Ukrainian offensive is expected.
But freely confess, I don't know enough about the lay of land to tell whom it creates more difficulty for. And I certainly have zero insight into either side's military planning.
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I'm not Slavic and have no particular interest in nor love for Slavs and their people and culture. But definitely feel bad for the boys Ukrainian and Russian--and ordinary Ukrainian civilians--involved in this completely unnecessary cluster. Both joints badly need their competent guys to be working hard, knocking up the local girls and making more Ukrainians and Russians. Not killing each other.
Putin could do the world--and the Russian people--a big favor, by saying "I made a mistake" calling his armies back and shooting himself in the head. But unfortunately, that good ending never happens (at least until things get really bad). Rather it is the ordinary Joes who suffer the plans of the "big" men being "big".Replies: @Colin Wright, @PhysicistDave
Sorta like Kaiser Wilhelm II abdicating, then.
Look: by Russian standards, Putin is pretty good. You don’t want the alternative.
I like how the Negros/leftistJews complain about: racist roads, white supremacy, et al but are too stupid to change a battery:see Beardson’s Law – https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Beardson%27s+Law
Ah yes, black men: well known for taking care of their babies.
There are probably a lot of reasons why black men aren’t very entrepreneurial – both carrots and sticks.
The brain drain explanation is a good one. It’s kind of the same reason a lot of American small towns have been hollowed out. Small towns used to have locally-owned businesses run by local entrepreneurs – banks, grocery stores, general stores, restaurants, etc. That took a decent IQ plus a lot of common sense and ambition. Most of the locally-owned small town businesses were taken over or pushed out of business by chains, and interstates made it easy to pass by them at 85 mph without so much as a nod in their general direction. A lot of the folks with intelligence and ambition packed up and moved on.
Immigrants have both intelligence and ambition, and also know which rules they can get away with bending or breaking. It should come as no great surprise that immigrants are most successful in businesses that handle a lot of cash (wink wink), often with a small number of employees where you can hire your cousin Sanjiv from some village in Uttar Pradesh.
White Americans tend to do just fine as franchisees of popular chains, where the chains have a powerful incentive (revenue sharing) not to allow franchise owners to cook the books.
That's actually an argument in favour of the US although you might not realize it.
The sensible parts of the high-speed railways were built long ago -- but China kept building and building. Almost all the lines are a huge money pit.
What would be much more sensible for China is ordinary roads (China still doesn't have a lot of those), highways (China has too many in some places and too few in others), maybe a few more metros -- and airlines, lots of new airlines.
A large part of the Chinese airspace is cordoned off by the military for no good reason at all + the Chinese public has been conditioned to thinking that trains = good and fast trains = plus good and plains = double-plus ungood luxury. Planes are actually cheaper (and better) between many of the cities served by high-speed trains.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
The Chinese have done an amazing job with the highways too, Peter, considering the kind of terrain they have to build them on/over/through! Regarding the use of trains vs planes, Mr. Sailer here brought up a good point back during some discussions that started with the California HS train boondoggle.
That is, if you can go from a big city’s downtown to another’s, trains can beat airliners on some medium length routes. Chinese people DO live in downtowns, by the many millions, while American don’t like to live there because of … reasons.
Secondly, our country has that northeast corridor, and a few cities that could be connected along the west coast, but otherwise a grid of train lines would have to be too big. China is more compact and has many multiples more big cities in a 2-D arrangement rather than 1-D.
I’ll link you to Peak Stupidity (but, of course!) with Trains in the Orient vs. America.
Asian immigrant businesses operate on the 99% perspiration, 1% inspiration method. It's not that they are so brilliant, it's just that they are incredibly hard working. And they have an intuitive feel for business in the same way that blacks have a natural talent for playing basketball.
https://youtu.be/uSQ_lWEtMb4?t=73Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Alarmist, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @OilcanFloyd
Wow. I guess Israel is getting ready to open its border to those hard-working Asians.
Seriously, it’s hilarious how pathetically stupid Jewish arguments are once you understand the con.
No wonder that the rest of the world is walking away from you guys. You have nothing to offer but grandiose stories.
From the first time i came across that phrase,racist roads,I loved it. I associated it immediately,of course,with country music.
Great premise for a heartfelt but woke song.
One example: A young feller loves his daddy, but rejects the racist ways of the past.
“I won’t forget my dear old daddy
Lord knows I love him so
But these old work boots I wear will never
Walk down racist roads”😥
Wasn't Jim Brown a local hero while playing for Syracuse in the late 50s?Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D
I don’t know. If you can’t trust “the associate dean for diversity, equity and inclusion…”, who can you trust?
https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/look-back-in-anger/Replies: @kaganovitch
Thanks. An outstanding article.
Has no poor white neighborhood ever had a freeway built through it? Anywhere? Even in West Virginia? If there was one, what result did it have on that neighborhood?
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West Virginia's population is the most dispersed in the nation bar one. Not too hard to avoid neighborhoods. The two largest urban settlements have just north of 60,000 people in them.
Translation: “replaced with a carjacking-friendly, gunshot-friendly boulevard full of young black males that will be avoided by anyone who doesn’t live there except for, every 10 years, census takers.”
replaced with a pedestrian-friendly Martin Luther King Boulevard .
ftfy
‘Racist roads, racist roads, oh how I wonder nobody knows ….’.
I have posed this question to Mr. Twinkacetti, but he would not give a straight (pun intended) answer.Replies: @Anonymous
There is an enormous international trade in human hair.
Young women in various poor, third world nations grow their head hair long only for them to have it , literally, cropped and harvested and sold for spot cash, the hair being sold by weight.
The vast majority of the hair so harvested is exported to the USA, and is purchased, almost exclusively by black American women.
Curiously, the normally vociferous and low brow woke American left, NYT, etc would rage and rage and rage, scream and shout their heads off about such a blatant and obvious exploitation of the poor third world by big money American capitalist interests are deathly silent about this trade.
Lots of people don’t hate it.
Here are the plaintiffs who like the highway so much they are suing to keep it:
Onondaga County Legislator Charles Garland,
former Syracuse Police Chief Frank Fowler
“Other suburban politicians”
Charles Pierce-El, president of the Southside Homeowners Association
New York State Motor Truck Association
Bishop Carl Clark of Open Arms International Ministries
Spafford Town Supervisor Christopher Kozub
Citizens to Preserve the Character of Skaneateles.
The NY ACLU is heavily involved. Seems like they have dropped the pretense of being about civil liberties and instead are just a pure anti-White hate group now. Their
“brief underscores the environmental and racial justice necessity to tear down the I-81 viaduct to remedy the displacement and destruction of the 15th Ward, and replace it with the Community Grid. The NYCLU argues that Renew I-81’s plan to keep the highway in place or build a new, higher structure will perpetuate the same racist history and failed practices of the past five decades, forcing Black residents to shoulder the effects of the highway for the benefit of the predominately whiter, wealthier businesses and residents in the suburbs.”Replies: @additionalMike, @Alden, @EdwardM
Exactly. By “everyone,” they mean the Starbucks baristas at the cafes from which their stringers file stories, Syracuse University professors who walk to their cushy jobs on campus, attendees of dinner parties in Manhattan, and of course the urban race hustlers who formed most of their sources. They literally don’t even consider the proles who drive trucks, commute to lower-level office jobs, have to get their kids to hockey practice, etc.
In addition to the usual racial focus, this is a great example of the Times’s seething cosmopolitan bias.
Agree this is a huge story.
This may be the biggest coup by the Saudis since the discovery of oil. This is probably the outcome they intended from the beginning, and represents a pretty intelligent strategy if so.
Or maybe the whole thing will collapse when they have to negotiate the fine print.
Or somewhere in between, e.g., the resulting agreement will amount to less than it seems — just prestigious titles for well-connected people (like the head of PIF who will be the chairman of the board), the opportunity for Saudis to hobnob in corporate hospitality tents, and a few grandiose but money-losing events in the Kingdom with the PGA flag flying in front. Basically Saudi Arabia adding a subsidy to the PGA Tour in exchange for prestige but no real impact on the operation, with a net positive economic flow to the tour and players.
For the pipeline sabotage, the obvious winners--hence suspects--were the Ukrainians and to a lesser extent the Poles. (Any Russian gas had to flow through them, and the Russians couldn't try and wheedle the Germans.) When you move onto easy operational capability then you get the Americans and Brits.
For the dam--assuming it wasn't just old and overfull from poor Russian management of the spring melt--I would first think the "Russians" as flooding serves as area denial and a Ukrainian offensive is expected.
But freely confess, I don't know enough about the lay of land to tell whom it creates more difficulty for. And I certainly have zero insight into either side's military planning.
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I'm not Slavic and have no particular interest in nor love for Slavs and their people and culture. But definitely feel bad for the boys Ukrainian and Russian--and ordinary Ukrainian civilians--involved in this completely unnecessary cluster. Both joints badly need their competent guys to be working hard, knocking up the local girls and making more Ukrainians and Russians. Not killing each other.
Putin could do the world--and the Russian people--a big favor, by saying "I made a mistake" calling his armies back and shooting himself in the head. But unfortunately, that good ending never happens (at least until things get really bad). Rather it is the ordinary Joes who suffer the plans of the "big" men being "big".Replies: @Colin Wright, @PhysicistDave
AnotherDad wrote:
Sy Hersh, who is a very successful investigative reporter, claimed to have a Deep State source that gave him lots of details about how the US took out Nordstream. So many details, a bit hard to believe the story was made up.
AD also wrote:
This war is not between Ukraine and Russia. It is WW III between the US Deep State and Russia: top figures in the US government have repeatedly made clear that the goal is to destroy Russia.
Putin understandably views this as an existential issue for Russia, and the Russian people seem to agree. After all, the US leaders say so.
A better solution would be for Biden to “do the world–and the [American] people–a big favor, by saying ‘I made a mistake’ calling his armies back and shooting himself in the head.” Well, if Biden were actually in charge.
It is really the whole US Deep State that needs to be liquidated. The US Deep State is the primary threat to the survival of humanity: hostes humani generis.
Funny that Sailer is the guy who made the phrase “Deep State” famous in the US context, but now Steve himself and some of his longest commenters have forgotten what Sailer himself pointed out: “Invade the world/invite the world.”
Seems to be mainly guys around my age who are so time-locked into the old Cold War days — when “Rah, rah America!” sort of made sense — that they cannot adjust to the new geopolitical realities, that the US Deep State is now the Evil Empire.
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replaced with a pedestrian-friendly Martin Luther King Boulevard .
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Asian immigrant businesses operate on the 99% perspiration, 1% inspiration method. It's not that they are so brilliant, it's just that they are incredibly hard working. And they have an intuitive feel for business in the same way that blacks have a natural talent for playing basketball.
https://youtu.be/uSQ_lWEtMb4?t=73Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Alarmist, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @OilcanFloyd
Without racial quotas so blacks smart enough to run small businesses can get cushy sinecures in comfy office settings, there would be plenty of small business owners from the black community. That’s not the world we live in.
But he is literally the only black pharmacist that I recall ever meeting. In recent decades they appear to be mostly Asian. I doubt that his kids became pharmacists.Replies: @res
And ťrees.
All roads need blocked leading to and from inner city areas. Everyone knows it. I love racist roads!!!
Okay, so let's get rid of the road - fine. Oh, but that will cause even more problems, so now we need to complain about the road while also simultaneously complaining about getting rid of the road. This is impossible. How can we find common ground and peaceful co-existence with these people?Replies: @Sam Hildebrand, @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon, @Art Deco
“How can we find common ground and peaceful co-existence with these people?”
Which people? The single black guy quoted who remembers the good old days, or the people who educated and hired Jim Zarroli, and persuaded him to state as fact not theory that a road “worsened race relations”.
You can always find people with, er, interesting theories about who to blame. But you don’t generally find them in the prestige press. Unless someone has an agenda. By the way, did you know that the number of Europeans seeing Russia as a threat has doubled? Well I never.
https://www.gutenberg.ca/ebooks/macdonellag-englandtheirengland/macdonellag-englandtheirengland-00-h.html
That book was published in the 30s, but few were the Times editorials urging Britain to break with France and ally with Germany.
It is not black people who’ve deindustrialised the USA, caused male working wages to be in decline since 1973, opened the Southern border, printed money whenever the markets fall, caused the opiate epidemic. or advanced NATO borders a thousand miles to the East.
Years ago, drove through upstate NY. Looked like East Germany without the barbed wire.
St Paul MN has “historic” Rondo as a poster child for racist roads, in this case the I94 corridor, completed in 1968. Who could have imagined that all the urban problems of the Twin Cities could be traced to the placement of a mile long stretch of highway? Look at Wikipedia if you don’t believe me. Strangely, historic Bloomington escaped devastation by the placement of I 35 and I494 through its midsection. In fact, the Mail of America popped up in the midst of the carnage.
There's your answer, Steve. The word "some" is doing a lot of work there.Replies: @G. Poulin
On the bright side, they still run the numbers business, the crack business, the smack business, and the rent-a-whore business. American enterprise at its finest.
You can't make this stuff up.
Look: by Russian standards, Putin is pretty good. You don't want the alternative.Replies: @Wielgus
I suspect the habit of fascination with the No.1 guy, especially as Super-Villain, is a symptom of the West’s hidden history. A history of assassination. (“Kill X and all our problems are solved.”)
There are all kinds of examples where putting in fast, limited access highways killed white neighborhoods and businesses. Just recently here in WI the state put a new multi-lane limited access road 10-15 miles to connect two small cities and bypass a third and the businesses along the surface street between those towns that was once the main route have all dried up. I have no doubt property values tanked as well. I appreciate the half hour I save each way by zooming along at 65 unimpeded and not having to contend with traffic, stop lights, and low speeds, but I can see that convenience came at a cost.
Going way back in time to the era you’re referring to, the mother of a good friend in Atlanta grew up in her family’s hotel/restaurant on US 41 before I 75 existed. She talked about all of the famous baseball players she met on their way to and from spring training and was a lifelong fan. When I75 went in everyone went flying past a mile or so away and their hotel folded. No doubt that story was repeated in one form or another all the way from Chattanooga down to Naples. Whites who lost businesses and property value.
Going way back in time to the era you're referring to, the mother of a good friend in Atlanta grew up in her family's hotel/restaurant on US 41 before I 75 existed. She talked about all of the famous baseball players she met on their way to and from spring training and was a lifelong fan. When I75 went in everyone went flying past a mile or so away and their hotel folded. No doubt that story was repeated in one form or another all the way from Chattanooga down to Naples. Whites who lost businesses and property value.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Fred Boynton
That’s the premise of the Pixar movie “Cars.” Radiator Springs thrives when it’s on Route 66, but then I-10 bypasses it and it becomes a ghost town. Similarly, I think that’s the premise of Hitchcock’s “Psycho.” Norman Bates used to be on 66 but is now cut off.
The PGA Tour players ultimately own and run the PGA Tour. The management works for the players. The PGA Tour players decided (not all of them I’m sure) they wanted to merge with LIV because if benefited PGA Tour players. No doubt sponsors played a big role in this as the sponsors did not want to sponsor completing tours or have to make tough decisions about which tour to sponsor. Making this about skin color or “morality” (LOL) is such a boomer mindset.
Going way back in time to the era you're referring to, the mother of a good friend in Atlanta grew up in her family's hotel/restaurant on US 41 before I 75 existed. She talked about all of the famous baseball players she met on their way to and from spring training and was a lifelong fan. When I75 went in everyone went flying past a mile or so away and their hotel folded. No doubt that story was repeated in one form or another all the way from Chattanooga down to Naples. Whites who lost businesses and property value.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Fred Boynton
A lot of old movies used the bypassed city or business as a plot point. Psycho is the one that immediately comes to mind. The Bates Motel had recently been bypassed by the new interstate/road and now nobody was staying there, except for the ill-fated Janet Leigh.
New York State has given blacks (at least those with criminal records for drug dealing) priority in obtaining State licenses to sell legal marijuana, so that “the community” won’t be deprived of that career.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Racist roads, take me home
to the place I belong
Wasn't Jim Brown a local hero while playing for Syracuse in the late 50s?Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D
The US Supreme Court ruled racial covenants to be unenforceable in May, 1948, so there was only a very brief window (less than 3 years) when this was possible. I doubt that this was the major reason as to why blacks congregated in one neighborhood.
Until the US was atomized by the disruptions caused by the war and then by the building of the highways and the flight from (the blacks who had moved into) the cities, it was quite normal for people of all ethnicities to live in their little ethnic enclaves. There you would find the butchers, bakeries, delicatessens, etc. that catered to your ethnic group. There you would find houses of worship that “spoke your language” as well as other bilingual service providers for the older generation. And on and on. Even if people worked in “mixed” workplaces during the day and interacted with those of other ethnic groups and (in keeping with the assimilationist trends of the time) were baseball loving ” all Americans”, at night they would retreat to their little ethnic enclave.
This applied not only to groups who were restricted by name (e.g. non-whites and non-Christians). Even though there were no applicable covenants, every city had its Little Italy. There were also German neighborhoods, Swedish neighborhoods, Polish neighborhoods, etc. depending on the city. Those had nothing to do with covenants because legally white Christians could live anywhere.
And further to your point, in Syracuse, the Irish were on the westside, Italians and Germans were on the northside, Jews were on the eastside, and blacks were on the southside.Replies: @additionalMike
That is, if you can go from a big city's downtown to another's, trains can beat airliners on some medium length routes. Chinese people DO live in downtowns, by the many millions, while American don't like to live there because of ... reasons.
Secondly, our country has that northeast corridor, and a few cities that could be connected along the west coast, but otherwise a grid of train lines would have to be too big. China is more compact and has many multiples more big cities in a 2-D arrangement rather than 1-D.
I'll link you to Peak Stupidity (but, of course!) with Trains in the Orient vs. America.Replies: @Fred Boynton
if you can go from a big city’s downtown to another’s, trains can beat airliners on some medium length routes
Going to the airport and flying can be incredibly time consuming. I recall reading how the NHL’s New York Rangers often take the train down to Philadelphia for games (if they’re traveling there from NYC, note that they can catch the train from Penn Station which is on the lower levels of Madison Square Garden where the Rangers play their home games) and even sometimes Boston and Washington.
When making the schedule for teams the league tries to start the eastern Canada three game swing of games in either Toronto or Montreal so that teams can take the bus after a game in one of those cities to Ottawa for the next game without flying (hopping on the bus after the game and just driving to the hotel in Ottawa is faster and more convenient than getting on the bus, driving to the airport, boarding a plane, flying to Ottawa, disembarking the plane, getting back on another bus to take them to their Ottawa hotel) From Ottawa they can do the same thing when it’s time to move on to Toronto or Montreal.
My grandparents were forced to move from inner city Philadelphia in the 50s because of road construction. This gave them the chance to move to the suburbs. My father and his siblings got to grow up in a spacious, green, safe environment with good schools. The value of my grandparents suburban house didn’t collapse as it would have in the 60s and 70s if they had stayed in Philadelphia. So, at least for my immediate family, the results of post-war urban development were beneficial.
Would it have been a different experience if my family were black? Given that a lot of post-war suburbs wouldn’t sell homes to blacks, that is certainly possible. But there were also black suburban communities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willingboro_Township,_New_JerseyReplies: @Jack D
It was a trade-off. It’s true that the suburbs had certain advantages – more space, a yard for your kids to play in, a place to park your car and with the car the ability to conveniently shop in a large supermarket where everything you needed was under one roof, etc.
But there was also a tradeoff. You lost the solidarity of living with people of a common background. You might not even know your neighbors anymore – everyone just stared at their TV screens instead of interacting with the people next door. Instead of the butcher and the baker who knew you by name and your order by heart, you had more rootless anonymity when you shopped. You lost the ability to go anywhere on foot – every trip was a car trip.
While the suburbs offered a lot of physical conveniences, there was a very high social cost. Corporate America loved it though because suburban residents all became interchangeable “consumers” .
That's exactly why most whites hate the city once they have kids. City living in say London was like an airport transit lounge in the 80s, Lord knows what it's like now. Might be different if you're in an enclave of your own, but I'm not allowed that.I'm reminded of how Carole King's first husband hated the Gentile burbs, while she loved them. I think she lives out in the hills now, a mountain woman.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/04/i-moved-from-the-city-to-the-suburbs-and-i-cant-believe-my-luckReplies: @Jack D
See Robert Moses activities in the Bronx, ca. 1952. It’s disgusting in our own time how the segment of the population John Leo called ‘the preventers’ are able to stop salutary public projects. Moses’ career is a reminder that purveyors of public works at one time had too much of a free hand.
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West Virginia’s population is the most dispersed in the nation bar one. Not too hard to avoid neighborhoods. The two largest urban settlements have just north of 60,000 people in them.
When Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points for the Philadelphia Warriors in 1962, he lived in New York City. He got a ride home with four members of the losing NYC Knicks. Whether or not they had a lot to talk about is unknown.
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/wilt-chamberlain-had-the-knicks-players-drive-him-home-after-he-scored-100-points-on-them-you-guys-are-nice-sons-of-b-tches-letting-me-score-100-points-and-then-giving-me-a-ride-back-heres-gas-money
Okay, so let's get rid of the road - fine. Oh, but that will cause even more problems, so now we need to complain about the road while also simultaneously complaining about getting rid of the road. This is impossible. How can we find common ground and peaceful co-existence with these people?Replies: @Sam Hildebrand, @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon, @Art Deco
You have two problems. One is feral young men. They’re a modest segment of the population at any one time and can be dealt with through conventional public administration. Your problem is the professional-managerial types and their dependents and hangers-on, who prevent sensible people from dealing with the problem, because the sensible people manifests the interests of ordinary (non-criminal) wage earners, and the professional-managerial class by default despises such people and wants to injure them. See, for a minor example, the Anheuser-Bush marketing executive who was embarrassed to be selling Bud Light to the sort of people buying it or see Peter Sztrok’s description of Wal-Mart shoppers in that part of Virginia which is not a Washington suburb.
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The goal should be to replace the slums with tatty neighborhoods populated with impecunious wage earners. These neighborhoods would still have an issue with street crime, school disorder, and deficits of retail trade but ones about 1/3d the dimension they had previously. This is an achievable goal, but one the bulk of the political class eschews.
But there was also a tradeoff. You lost the solidarity of living with people of a common background. You might not even know your neighbors anymore - everyone just stared at their TV screens instead of interacting with the people next door. Instead of the butcher and the baker who knew you by name and your order by heart, you had more rootless anonymity when you shopped. You lost the ability to go anywhere on foot - every trip was a car trip.
While the suburbs offered a lot of physical conveniences, there was a very high social cost. Corporate America loved it though because suburban residents all became interchangeable "consumers" .Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
” You lost the solidarity of living with people of a common background. “
That’s exactly why most whites hate the city once they have kids. City living in say London was like an airport transit lounge in the 80s, Lord knows what it’s like now. Might be different if you’re in an enclave of your own, but I’m not allowed that.
I’m reminded of how Carole King’s first husband hated the Gentile burbs, while she loved them. I think she lives out in the hills now, a mountain woman.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/04/i-moved-from-the-city-to-the-suburbs-and-i-cant-believe-my-luck
Isn't there a Delhi somewhere?Replies: @Ganderson
There’s a Delhi in Upstate NY, pronounced, as I recall Del high.
“Look there’s already four of us. You’ll have to ride in the trunk, Wilt.”
Canadian lib teacher rants against Muslim students for skipping Groomer "Pride Day", says "you don't belong here":
https://www.reddit.com/r/Edmonton/comments/142gyxl/a_teacher_at_londonderry_junior_high_school_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
This Pride Month has been a sensitive issue this year as large numbers of students, mainly Islamic and African (and a few White Christians) have been skipping class during pride days. Up to 60% of some schools are reported absent on June 1.Replies: @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob
The Men in Gold Chains ain’t having it, either!
The classical liberals that I know are beginning to question all of this crap.
But look at who the police protect. And they do so gladly, with an urgent passion. That’s a real social change of the past years. “Defund the Police” was not meant to eradicate police from society, but to replace the old stock of cops—a lot with ethnic Catholic backgrounds—with a more tractable, obedient cohort, whose highest moral instinct is to whatever the mutants on city council are willing to pay for.
The major reason liberals commies perverts and other minions of Satan love Hispanics so much is that they are so docile. Yes they have a high crime rate which is connected to their machismo. But Hispanics in the USA are descendants of oppressed slaves of Aztecs and ruling class Indians. Later peons of the Spanish and Portuguese. So despite cultural Catholicism and fervent sincere Protestantism, they don’t do much to fight perversion and the liberal communist satanic plans for America.
Hispanics voted against gay marriage. But that was a referendum. Where they had a choice. But noticing gay pride month isn’t what Hispanic parents do. They trust the schools.
In most of America including California public school end the last week of May and begin again mid late August.
But pride month is June. So what’s a liberal commie minion of Satan school administrator to do?? Easy solution. Just move the public school gay pride month to May.
The gays have already extended pride month to all summer long. With the schools celebrating it in May, it’s a 4 month orgy of spreading STDs.
'First they came for Antifa -- but Antifa REALLY deserved it, so that was cool.'
Not just at that word, HammerJack. Only in an article about a lost “golden age” of black economic flourishing will you see “barber shops” given pride of place.
(To me, it shows that the journalists’ experience of such neighborhoods derives mostly from Eddie Murphy movies.)
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1666256989331107848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1666256989331107848%7Ctwgr%5E251168638fb3d3609d1890f0172abe1dd3f4d1b5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F588505%2F
The classical liberals that I know are beginning to question all of this crap.Replies: @ChrisZ, @Alden, @Corvinus, @Colin Wright
Those Armenian men and women are heroes. Let them have a fair fight against the masked weakling-perverts on the other side and it would be a service to the whole nation, with ripple effects felt elsewhere.
But look at who the police protect. And they do so gladly, with an urgent passion. That’s a real social change of the past years. “Defund the Police” was not meant to eradicate police from society, but to replace the old stock of cops—a lot with ethnic Catholic backgrounds—with a more tractable, obedient cohort, whose highest moral instinct is to whatever the mutants on city council are willing to pay for.
That's exactly why most whites hate the city once they have kids. City living in say London was like an airport transit lounge in the 80s, Lord knows what it's like now. Might be different if you're in an enclave of your own, but I'm not allowed that.I'm reminded of how Carole King's first husband hated the Gentile burbs, while she loved them. I think she lives out in the hills now, a mountain woman.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/04/i-moved-from-the-city-to-the-suburbs-and-i-cant-believe-my-luckReplies: @Jack D
I don’t know ab0ut the UK, but in the US it’s the same in the suburbs nowadays, even upscale ones. My two most recent immediate neighbors are a Indian doctor and a couple of Jordanian doctors. There are none on my block but there are also lots of Chinese, Koreans, etc. in the area. Also various ex-Soviets, Israelis and so on. Pretty much the entire globe east of Berlin and north of the Equator. The older residents are Jewish, WASP, Italian, etc. but the newer arrivals are mostly non-Western.
Poland is 93% Polish Catholic. Shouldn’t we work on Europe first before you start in on Israel? Once Poland goes below 74% Polish Catholic then call me back.
You also have to understand that “Jewish” in Israel can mean wildly different things, ranging from black Ethiopians to bearded Hasids to total atheists to Russians who really aren’t Jewish at all. Even if Israel was 100% Jewish it would still be a wildly diverse place.
I agree. Growing up, the pharmacist in my small town was black. He had been a football star in HS and some of the local businessmen sponsored his college education and helped set him up in business (in a white suburban part of town). So much for racism. This was before the days of chain pharmacies and in those days independent drugstore was a viable business. The store appeared to be well run and he stayed in business for many decades and was admired as a member of the community. Yes, he had been given a head start because of his football talent but he took the ball and ran with it.
But he is literally the only black pharmacist that I recall ever meeting. In recent decades they appear to be mostly Asian. I doubt that his kids became pharmacists.
But he is literally the only black pharmacist that I recall ever meeting. In recent decades they appear to be mostly Asian. I doubt that his kids became pharmacists.Replies: @res
If you have any way of finding out what they became it would be interesting to know. And I think it would cast some light on the conversation about the black middle class moving out of their local communities (even though in this example that community was not black).
The notion that only blacks were affected by this kind of development is also more than a little tiresome.Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
In Boston it was definitely not blacks that were hurt by urban renewal. The West End that was demolished and replaced by large apartment complexes in the early 60s– when you pass them as you near the end of Storrow Drive there is/was a sign that said “if you lived here you’d be home now” — was home to ethnic whites. Adjacent was the lively, somewhat seedy Scollay Square which was torn down to make space for the notorious City Hall Plaza.
Meanwhile, much later on, the Central Artery through downtown that separated the North End and the waterfront was replaced by the Big Dig in the mid 2000s. I suppose that means that TPTB care more about Italians than Blacks.
We do know what happened in the car with Wilt and the four Knicks players.
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/wilt-chamberlain-had-the-knicks-players-drive-him-home-after-he-scored-100-points-on-them-you-guys-are-nice-sons-of-b-tches-letting-me-score-100-points-and-then-giving-me-a-ride-back-heres-gas-money
Canadian lib teacher rants against Muslim students for skipping Groomer "Pride Day", says "you don't belong here":
https://www.reddit.com/r/Edmonton/comments/142gyxl/a_teacher_at_londonderry_junior_high_school_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
This Pride Month has been a sensitive issue this year as large numbers of students, mainly Islamic and African (and a few White Christians) have been skipping class during pride days. Up to 60% of some schools are reported absent on June 1.Replies: @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob
Intersectionality indeed!
You also have to understand that "Jewish" in Israel can mean wildly different things, ranging from black Ethiopians to bearded Hasids to total atheists to Russians who really aren't Jewish at all. Even if Israel was 100% Jewish it would still be a wildly diverse place.Replies: @Art Deco
The Law of Return allows 2d degree relatives of Jews to immigrate. People who are neither Arab nor Jewish are enumerated separately.
Glad to know so many of you think that a few examples of whites being dispossessed by topdown post-WWII development proves that blacks have no right to complain about having been hit particularly hard by it.
Glad to know too that y’all are OK with the feds forcibly relocating millions of citizens, flattening thousands of trad neighborhoods, and replacing what had been living social entities with obviously-dead and depressing freeways, towers and concrete blocks.
At the risk of repeating myself: why is it so hard to admit that 1) much topdown post WWII development was atrocious? (We’d all be better off if it had simply never happened. In my view the freeway mania and the urban-renewal disasters were among the worst disasters America has ever inflicted upon itself, and that’s saying a lot.) And 2) blacks in particular were hit very hard by it?
“Racist roads” deserves plenty of ridicule as a slogan or rallying cry, but facts are facts and history is history.
I’m as Alt-Right and HBD-sympathetic as it’s possible to be but I have no problem admitting all the above. Doesn’t contradict my general worldview one little bit. Rather confirms it, in fact.
Read James Kunstler’s books about the post WWII development fiasco for god’s sake. Key cultural history.
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Note, suburban land use is unappealing to many people. It's not comprehensively unappealing. Some people don't mind the segregation of commerce and residence or the ghastly commercial strips you see in suburban zones.
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You can mourn the destruction undertaken to construct limited access highways, but one should remember that the share of a city's land area so razed was likely in the low single digits. Alternatives to limited-access highways on the surface might be underground roadways or a more extensive commitment to light rail in a city, above-ground and below ground. (Buses are a problem). Not in my wheelhouse, but I suspect constructing tunnels is superexpensive.
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The federal government made some important policy errors in the post-war era. It left a mess of mercantile regulations in place which placed railway development at a disadvantage. It was only during the Carter Administration that these were dismantled. Also, Eisenhower insisted the Interstate system be free of tolls. This socialized the cost of making use of them. Ideally, the maintenance and amortization of limited access highways would be financed by tolls and that of ordinary roads by motor fuel excises and auto-registration fees. Local governments dismantled their light rail systems in favor of bus service, which is inadequate.
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I'm not sure how blacks have been dispossessed in the post-war period. The problem black neighborhoods have faced has been a consequence of a menu of policy errors interacting with unfortunate cultural shifts in the society at large and in the black population in particular.
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Ideally, as suburban development progressed, municipal police departments would have been replaced with departments operated by counties or consortia of counties; municipal governments would have been financed by a combination of unrestricted grants from county governments (with the per capita grant inversely associated with a municipality's per capita income), municipal taxes, and service fees; local school districts would have been financed by a like system of state grants conjoined to local property taxes; and core city governments and school districts would have been given a special franchise to reduce or eliminate the levy rate on real property in slum neighborhoods and those adjacent and substitute for that with sales or value-added taxes. Ideally, federal intervention in urban development or primary and secondary schooling would have been nil, while state intervention would have been limited to composing building codes, fire codes, and regents examinations.Replies: @Alden
Thanks for those.
I thought it was so obvious as to not require explanation.
Seattle built I-5 right through the middle of the city, splitting many neighborhoods. Crime and poverty and social dysfunction did not ensue. Seattle Scandinavians just kept mowing their lawns and enjoyed the greater mobility the freeway provided.
Blacks continued their usual dysfunction on both sides of the freeway and under the overpass.
Another example of an iSteve signature, the abrupt ending. So abrupt, in fact, that the last sentence doesn’t even have a period.
P.S. I kind of like the abrupt endings. Kind of like in math textbooks, “the solution is left to the reader…”
I really have no (easy) way of finding out. I found his obituary – he passed away about a dozen years ago at an advanced age but the obit did not list survivors. I found a link to a woman who I suspect may be a granddaughter and her job is Human Resources Director at a nursing home, which sounds about right. The pharmacy is still in business but is now owned by ultra-Orthodox Jews and the business next door (which I recall as a bar) is a Glatt Kosher deli. The neighborhood done change.
Except that’s not what really happened. People bemoan the construction of the Cross Bronx Expressway but the expressway was one block wide and the entire Bronx fell apart, not just the part close to the highway.
Very few expressways were built in Philly (the main one was routed along a river and did not take out any residential neighborhoods) but the same thing happened. When my MIL and her husband returned to Philly at the end of WWII, the city was FULL. There was no housing available. The population of the city had increased during the war due to war industries and no new housing had been built since 1929. A lot of the existing housing was very old and substandard. Their only chance at owning a home of their own was to buy a little ranch house in a new subdivision in a former farm field outside of the city. The price was right – $16,000! And this was mostly covered by the VA mortgage – the payments were affordable to a working man, while mom stayed home and took care of the kids. And this house came with a garage, a yard for the kids to play in, a dishwasher, etc. It was a pain that you had to go everywhere by car but they had a car and gas was cheap.
Patterns of land use after the 2d world war are unappealing. They’re not ‘top-down’, except to the extent that local authorities adopted model codes. (See Marc Hinshaw’s discussion of this in True Urbanism).
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Note, suburban land use is unappealing to many people. It’s not comprehensively unappealing. Some people don’t mind the segregation of commerce and residence or the ghastly commercial strips you see in suburban zones.
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You can mourn the destruction undertaken to construct limited access highways, but one should remember that the share of a city’s land area so razed was likely in the low single digits. Alternatives to limited-access highways on the surface might be underground roadways or a more extensive commitment to light rail in a city, above-ground and below ground. (Buses are a problem). Not in my wheelhouse, but I suspect constructing tunnels is superexpensive.
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The federal government made some important policy errors in the post-war era. It left a mess of mercantile regulations in place which placed railway development at a disadvantage. It was only during the Carter Administration that these were dismantled. Also, Eisenhower insisted the Interstate system be free of tolls. This socialized the cost of making use of them. Ideally, the maintenance and amortization of limited access highways would be financed by tolls and that of ordinary roads by motor fuel excises and auto-registration fees. Local governments dismantled their light rail systems in favor of bus service, which is inadequate.
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I’m not sure how blacks have been dispossessed in the post-war period. The problem black neighborhoods have faced has been a consequence of a menu of policy errors interacting with unfortunate cultural shifts in the society at large and in the black population in particular.
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Ideally, as suburban development progressed, municipal police departments would have been replaced with departments operated by counties or consortia of counties; municipal governments would have been financed by a combination of unrestricted grants from county governments (with the per capita grant inversely associated with a municipality’s per capita income), municipal taxes, and service fees; local school districts would have been financed by a like system of state grants conjoined to local property taxes; and core city governments and school districts would have been given a special franchise to reduce or eliminate the levy rate on real property in slum neighborhoods and those adjacent and substitute for that with sales or value-added taxes. Ideally, federal intervention in urban development or primary and secondary schooling would have been nil, while state intervention would have been limited to composing building codes, fire codes, and regents examinations.
Pacifica Half Moon Bay Moss Beach Morgan Hill Ross and Hillsborough Ca are the exact opposite of what Wikipedia told you. Morgan Hill 10 acres and huge glorious mansions. Hillsborough and Ross smaller lots but since most of the houses are pre 1940 the mansions are just glorious plus plus ultra So are the small houses.
Pacifica Half Moon Bay Moss Beach and south to Santa Cruz the houses are ordinary. But the forests mountains and canyons are glorious. Did you see the first Lord of the Rings movie. Where the hobbits stayed in that canyon of the elves? That’s what the entire coast between Daly City and Santa Cruz looks like. A fantasy wonderland of forests mountains beaches and ocean
Santa Cruz would still be wonderful. But the state built a communist black university there. Purpose; jobs for the likes of Angela Davis and every commie black that needed a job.
The comments on this site would be greatly improved if people commented about what they know and observe. Not the results of hasty google searches.Replies: @Art Deco
The seat of Delaware County– nice alliteration, intentional or not. There’s a two-year state college there.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1666256989331107848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1666256989331107848%7Ctwgr%5E251168638fb3d3609d1890f0172abe1dd3f4d1b5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F588505%2F
The classical liberals that I know are beginning to question all of this crap.Replies: @ChrisZ, @Alden, @Corvinus, @Colin Wright
The parents of Saticoy elementary school N Hollywood Los Angeles neighborhood burnt the pride flag. In LA elementary is grades K through 5th. And many have a pre school on campus. Saticoy is 64 percent White the rest mostly Hispanic. Even before I looked at the location and demographics I assumed the dissenters against the perverts were Armenian Persian Russian Israeli. Who haven’t yet made it to Encino Beverly Hills or BH adjacent
The major reason liberals commies perverts and other minions of Satan love Hispanics so much is that they are so docile. Yes they have a high crime rate which is connected to their machismo. But Hispanics in the USA are descendants of oppressed slaves of Aztecs and ruling class Indians. Later peons of the Spanish and Portuguese. So despite cultural Catholicism and fervent sincere Protestantism, they don’t do much to fight perversion and the liberal communist satanic plans for America.
Hispanics voted against gay marriage. But that was a referendum. Where they had a choice. But noticing gay pride month isn’t what Hispanic parents do. They trust the schools.
In most of America including California public school end the last week of May and begin again mid late August.
But pride month is June. So what’s a liberal commie minion of Satan school administrator to do?? Easy solution. Just move the public school gay pride month to May.
The gays have already extended pride month to all summer long. With the schools celebrating it in May, it’s a 4 month orgy of spreading STDs.
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Note, suburban land use is unappealing to many people. It's not comprehensively unappealing. Some people don't mind the segregation of commerce and residence or the ghastly commercial strips you see in suburban zones.
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You can mourn the destruction undertaken to construct limited access highways, but one should remember that the share of a city's land area so razed was likely in the low single digits. Alternatives to limited-access highways on the surface might be underground roadways or a more extensive commitment to light rail in a city, above-ground and below ground. (Buses are a problem). Not in my wheelhouse, but I suspect constructing tunnels is superexpensive.
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The federal government made some important policy errors in the post-war era. It left a mess of mercantile regulations in place which placed railway development at a disadvantage. It was only during the Carter Administration that these were dismantled. Also, Eisenhower insisted the Interstate system be free of tolls. This socialized the cost of making use of them. Ideally, the maintenance and amortization of limited access highways would be financed by tolls and that of ordinary roads by motor fuel excises and auto-registration fees. Local governments dismantled their light rail systems in favor of bus service, which is inadequate.
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I'm not sure how blacks have been dispossessed in the post-war period. The problem black neighborhoods have faced has been a consequence of a menu of policy errors interacting with unfortunate cultural shifts in the society at large and in the black population in particular.
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Ideally, as suburban development progressed, municipal police departments would have been replaced with departments operated by counties or consortia of counties; municipal governments would have been financed by a combination of unrestricted grants from county governments (with the per capita grant inversely associated with a municipality's per capita income), municipal taxes, and service fees; local school districts would have been financed by a like system of state grants conjoined to local property taxes; and core city governments and school districts would have been given a special franchise to reduce or eliminate the levy rate on real property in slum neighborhoods and those adjacent and substitute for that with sales or value-added taxes. Ideally, federal intervention in urban development or primary and secondary schooling would have been nil, while state intervention would have been limited to composing building codes, fire codes, and regents examinations.Replies: @Alden
Looks as though you clipped and pasted 9 or 10 wikipedia articles together to come up with this melange of other people’s opinions.
Pacifica Half Moon Bay Moss Beach Morgan Hill Ross and Hillsborough Ca are the exact opposite of what Wikipedia told you. Morgan Hill 10 acres and huge glorious mansions. Hillsborough and Ross smaller lots but since most of the houses are pre 1940 the mansions are just glorious plus plus ultra So are the small houses.
Pacifica Half Moon Bay Moss Beach and south to Santa Cruz the houses are ordinary. But the forests mountains and canyons are glorious. Did you see the first Lord of the Rings movie. Where the hobbits stayed in that canyon of the elves? That’s what the entire coast between Daly City and Santa Cruz looks like. A fantasy wonderland of forests mountains beaches and ocean
Santa Cruz would still be wonderful. But the state built a communist black university there. Purpose; jobs for the likes of Angela Davis and every commie black that needed a job.
The comments on this site would be greatly improved if people commented about what they know and observe. Not the results of hasty google searches.
I like the picture essays that you and your co-bloggers composed over at Uncouth Reflections. Walking around while taking snapshots of streetscapes, sidewalks, parks and buildings. The accompanying commentary focused on what gives a neighborhood its character. Which elements foster connectedness among neighbors, which contribute to charm, livability, walkability. You gave me new ways to think about a history of architecture, development, and organic evolution, when I visit a city.
Thanks for those.
Au contraire mon frere. You missed my point by 180 degrees. My examples were to show that if whites lost businesses and property value from the creation of interstates (which no one argued against) that one could not then argue that blacks were not similarly affected, or because of their already lower social standing and weaker economic resilience, even more severely affected.
I thought it was so obvious as to not require explanation.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1666256989331107848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1666256989331107848%7Ctwgr%5E251168638fb3d3609d1890f0172abe1dd3f4d1b5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F588505%2F
The classical liberals that I know are beginning to question all of this crap.Replies: @ChrisZ, @Alden, @Corvinus, @Colin Wright
According to the official police report, most crowd members were peaceful. A small contingent consisted of Antifa. Andy Ngo has a history of overstating the raw numbers of violent far leftists in any all protests.
...that was deliberate, right?Replies: @Corvinus
Asian immigrant businesses operate on the 99% perspiration, 1% inspiration method. It's not that they are so brilliant, it's just that they are incredibly hard working. And they have an intuitive feel for business in the same way that blacks have a natural talent for playing basketball.
https://youtu.be/uSQ_lWEtMb4?t=73Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Alarmist, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Johann Ricke, @OilcanFloyd
Which is why Jews are about as good as blacks at creating or sustaining functioning civilizations.
LOL. I didn’t think you knew so little about the history of England. Hadrian’s Wall. Britons, Angles, Saxons, Picts, etc.
Even today, a lot of heritage English complain about how they Chafe under the ‘Norman Yoke’ even a good 957 years later.
And Cornwall not just has its own language, but English didn’t become the dominant language in Cornwall until 1750.
Not to mention that the Welsh language is different enough from English as to be unintelligible to English speakers, even though Wales is all of 130 miles from London. Italian is closer to English than Welsh is.
For someone who thinks about race all day, and says the same thing every day, you know surprisingly little.
...incidentally, if you want to nitpick, Picts were never in England. I didn't think you knew so little about the history of England.
So?
How?
Agree.
Not sure how blacks were hit particularly hard by freeways.
Seattle built I-5 right through the middle of the city, splitting many neighborhoods. Crime and poverty and social dysfunction did not ensue. Seattle Scandinavians just kept mowing their lawns and enjoyed the greater mobility the freeway provided.
Blacks continued their usual dysfunction on both sides of the freeway and under the overpass.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FHDwRECFL8M&pp=ygUVamVmZmVyc29ucyB0aGVtZSBzb25nReplies: @ScarletNumber
George Jefferson was the last successful black small-business man. Maybe because he was light skinned. Fun Fact: Sherman Hemsley (George) was 20 years younger than his TV wife Isabel Sanford (Weezy).
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1666256989331107848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1666256989331107848%7Ctwgr%5E251168638fb3d3609d1890f0172abe1dd3f4d1b5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F588505%2F
The classical liberals that I know are beginning to question all of this crap.Replies: @ChrisZ, @Alden, @Corvinus, @Colin Wright
Sad that the police stopped them. Isn’t beating up Antifa something we can all come together over?
‘First they came for Antifa — but Antifa REALLY deserved it, so that was cool.’
Not bad.
…that was deliberate, right?
Even today, a lot of heritage English complain about how they Chafe under the ‘Norman Yoke’ even a good 957 years later.
And Cornwall not just has its own language, but English didn’t become the dominant language in Cornwall until 1750.
Not to mention that the Welsh language is different enough from English as to be unintelligible to English speakers, even though Wales is all of 130 miles from London. Italian is closer to English than Welsh is.
For someone who thinks about race all day, and says the same thing every day, you know surprisingly little.Replies: @Colin Wright
It’s all relative. All of the above look remarkably similar if you line them up with a black.
…incidentally, if you want to nitpick, Picts were never in England. I didn’t think you knew so little about the history of England.
Fun Fact # 2: John Amos (James) was 19 years younger than his TV wife, Esther Rolle (Florida) on the other 1970s CBS negro stcom, Good Times.
...that was deliberate, right?Replies: @Corvinus
Deliberate in that it was factual.
See, marches or protests today will unfortunately bring in people who just want to stir up trouble. So Mr. Sailer and Andy Ngo and others will focus on that riotous element as being definitive proof all or most are “Antifa” or are sympathetic to their tactics, when in reality that is not the case. And you’re falling for that trick.
“Sad that the police stopped them. Isn’t beating up Antifa something we can all come together over“
So you’re really not a fan of law and order after all. Listen, why don’t you buy a police scanner, and the next time there is something similar taking place, go there to offer up your services.
Pacifica Half Moon Bay Moss Beach Morgan Hill Ross and Hillsborough Ca are the exact opposite of what Wikipedia told you. Morgan Hill 10 acres and huge glorious mansions. Hillsborough and Ross smaller lots but since most of the houses are pre 1940 the mansions are just glorious plus plus ultra So are the small houses.
Pacifica Half Moon Bay Moss Beach and south to Santa Cruz the houses are ordinary. But the forests mountains and canyons are glorious. Did you see the first Lord of the Rings movie. Where the hobbits stayed in that canyon of the elves? That’s what the entire coast between Daly City and Santa Cruz looks like. A fantasy wonderland of forests mountains beaches and ocean
Santa Cruz would still be wonderful. But the state built a communist black university there. Purpose; jobs for the likes of Angela Davis and every commie black that needed a job.
The comments on this site would be greatly improved if people commented about what they know and observe. Not the results of hasty google searches.Replies: @Art Deco
I haven’t a clue to whom you fancy you’re responding. I made no references to anything to do with the Bay Area.
Bizarre how you try to project American culture onto India.
Sharpton seems to have mostly retired and passed the torch of black supremacist terrorism onto Ben Crump.
Right, this is why Israel and Haiti are similar places.
Yeah, they destroyed the 5th ward in the early ’60s when I-81 was built, and the NYT just noticed, 60 years later.
This story is a bit like Steve’s bugaboo, the lynching of Emmitt Till. The man is dead, but the story keeps being revived.
People named “Floyd” aren’t known for their better judgment.
The point wasn’t that Israel and Haiti are the same. The point is that groups that have lots of people of differing abilities are more likely to function well and build civilizations. Israel is not a civilization, and would not be much of a place without tons of outside money, support, technology, protection, labor…. Blacks and Jews do tend to depend on others.
So where are the great black and Jewish civilizations? Israel isn’t a great civilization, and it wouldn’t be much at all without money, protection, technology, labor, etc. from others. Jews are like blacks in that they do not produce enough people of differing abilities to build and maintain high level civilizations. Both depend greatly on others for different reasons. Neither group values labor, and both produce low-trust societies when they have influence.
The early Zionists made the same point I am making, but Israel still turned out to be pretty much what one would expect.
This is very truncated history. The section referred to as the 15th ward contained the only public housing in Syracuse, at the time–unlikely that factory workers would’ve been eligible residents. The charitable way to describe the 15th ward was/is public benefit recipients. Also, Carrier’s air conditioning business was not yet booming in the immediate post-war period–not until the ’60s and ’70s. Furthermore, General Electric and General Motors were then bigger factory employers. And either way, the impoverished residents of the 15th ward would’ve needed a car, access to one, or carpool to commute to Carrier, GE, or GM, who were effectively located in suburbs out of the city.
And further to your point, in Syracuse, the Irish were on the westside, Italians and Germans were on the northside, Jews were on the eastside, and blacks were on the southside.
Both shows were spinoffs of All in the Family, as Florida Evans was the maid for Edith Bunker’s cousin Maude. As for John Amos, he was only 7½ years older than his TV son Jimmie JJ Walker.
Funny–E. Michael Jones, who apparently writes for this site, complains that the interstate highway system destroyed *Catholic* neighborhoods. In Milwaukee, a beloved Italian Catholic church was demolished:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/life/green-sheet/2017/09/26/end-milwaukees-little-pink-church-1967/698608001/
The fact is, the interstate system required the destruction of some urban neighborhoods, chances are poorer neighborhoods. NIMBY and all that. The end.
Meanwhile, much later on, the Central Artery through downtown that separated the North End and the waterfront was replaced by the Big Dig in the mid 2000s. I suppose that means that TPTB care more about Italians than Blacks.Replies: @Brutusale
I’ve argued that the construction of the Southeast Expressway, which created a hard line between white Irish-Catholic Dorchester and white Irish-Catholic Southie, held the Black Plague coming out of formerly ((( ))) Mattapan at the Dot line for a decade or so.
The early Zionists made the same point I am making, but Israel still turned out to be pretty much what one would expect.Replies: @Art Deco
Israel is the most prosperous country outside of Europe, North America, and the Antipodes bar a half-dozen states in the peripheral Far East (and compares favorably to a menu of European countries as well). It has never had a formal military alliance with any country and only in recent years has it had even tiny foreign military installations. The ratio of foreign aid to gross domestic income is about 0.012. The aid is not crucial to country’s prosperity. Israel received scarcely any foreign aid prior to 1973, when the country was already established as one of the more affluent middle-income countries. Foreign aid was at its proportionate peak around 1984 and has in consequence declined consistently since them. Israel is also one of a small number of affluent countries which has a fertility rate above replacement level.
Sure a bunch of useless kibbutzniks generated the revenue needed to build a modern nation and military all on their own in only decades. That’s even worse than the “making the desert bloom” stuff. Israel was gifted from pretty much every nation in the West from the beginning.
I will write about my experience with Syracuse.
In 2016, I rode the Erie Canal on a bicycle, along with 700 other riders, on a fully supported trip planned by the Parks and Trails of NY, a non-governmental agency that lobbies the state to spend more on recreational infrastructure.
It is an eight-day ride, from Buffalo to Albany. The vast length of this bicycle trail is rural, except some stops including Syracuse. The riders were almost exclusively white, middle to upper middle income people who wish to spend their vacation time on an energetic and inexpensive tour.
I am a longtime reader of Mr. Sailer’s blog, and I have several degrees in STEM. I have a complete awareness of the statistics regarding the race differences in criminality that Mr. Sailer often posts about.
On most nights, we camped on rural high school soccer fields. There were no instances of any sort of criminality on these rural fields.
When our stop was in Syracuse, it was completely different. There were blacks everywhere. I am a ‘race realist’ and fully understood that all items, particularly the bicycles, must be chained to solid objects, to deter theft.
What I found particularly amusing was the number of other cyclists that approached me and said, “Lock up your bike.” All of these middle-class whites approaching me with warnings about rampant criminality. I wanted to ask these middle-class whites, “Why? Is there something different here than in, say, Lockport”? What is this difference of which you speak, that I can leave my bicycle unlocked in Lockport, but not Syracuse? What is it specifically?
Of course, such questions would not be received congenially.
Syracuse was grotesque, with large numbers of obese young black women with several children. These women were completely unable to hold down a job and provide material support for their children, requiring government assistance in lieu of their incapacity.
It was just grotesque.
Erronius
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/11/syracuse-new-york-victims-shot-stabbed/70310614007/
I gather you don’t believe production statistics, but you do believe what you pull out of your ass.
The support that Israel has received is common knowledge, and the true support is likely far more than admitted. You are the one who is being dishonest or denying reality.
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Make the numbers up if it helps you feel better. Just don't bother normal people with your fantasies.
And further to your point, in Syracuse, the Irish were on the westside, Italians and Germans were on the northside, Jews were on the eastside, and blacks were on the southside.Replies: @additionalMike
Heh. Jews are still on the east side. It is well known that Dewitt (east side) is where you can get the best Chinese and kosher food.
Funny how the likes of Art Deco (and Whiskey, back when he was around here) like to pooh-pooh the foreign aid that Israel takes as being some infinitesimally small fraction of GDP.
So, I ask, and have yet to receive a reasonable answer, if it’s so inconsequential, that money, why is it they don’t give it back?
How about if the dollar amount really is inconsequential, but the symbolic value is large?
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It's not cash. It's credits to buy military equipment from American manufacturers. If the aid were withdrawn tomorrow, it might trigger a mild business recession and some fiscal problems which could be worked out over the course of a business cycle. If there were strings attached which compromised their security in some way, they could readily refuse the aid.
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Economic prosperity comes from the development of human capital. Israel's economy, like that of any other affluent country, is devoted primarily to production of services with the bulk of its factors of production otherwise devoted to construction and manufacturing. Exports of fuel and minerals account for < 1% of gross domestic product. There is no natural resource bonanza which accounts for Israel's prosperity, and there never has been. OilCanFloyd fancies Israel's prosperity is a function of secret aid flows because that's how he responds to realities which contradict his priors.Replies: @Ennui
You aren’t going to get an answer to that question.
In 2016, I rode the Erie Canal on a bicycle, along with 700 other riders, on a fully supported trip planned by the Parks and Trails of NY, a non-governmental agency that lobbies the state to spend more on recreational infrastructure.
It is an eight-day ride, from Buffalo to Albany. The vast length of this bicycle trail is rural, except some stops including Syracuse. The riders were almost exclusively white, middle to upper middle income people who wish to spend their vacation time on an energetic and inexpensive tour.
I am a longtime reader of Mr. Sailer's blog, and I have several degrees in STEM. I have a complete awareness of the statistics regarding the race differences in criminality that Mr. Sailer often posts about.
On most nights, we camped on rural high school soccer fields. There were no instances of any sort of criminality on these rural fields.
When our stop was in Syracuse, it was completely different. There were blacks everywhere. I am a 'race realist' and fully understood that all items, particularly the bicycles, must be chained to solid objects, to deter theft.
What I found particularly amusing was the number of other cyclists that approached me and said, "Lock up your bike." All of these middle-class whites approaching me with warnings about rampant criminality. I wanted to ask these middle-class whites, "Why? Is there something different here than in, say, Lockport"? What is this difference of which you speak, that I can leave my bicycle unlocked in Lockport, but not Syracuse? What is it specifically?
Of course, such questions would not be received congenially.
Syracuse was grotesque, with large numbers of obese young black women with several children. These women were completely unable to hold down a job and provide material support for their children, requiring government assistance in lieu of their incapacity.
It was just grotesque.
ErroniusReplies: @trevor
Apparently, Syracuse residents have great neighborhood block parties
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/11/syracuse-new-york-victims-shot-stabbed/70310614007/
Just to play devil’s advocate a bit…
How about if the dollar amount really is inconsequential, but the symbolic value is large?
Upstate is more like Northern Italy with more muscle cars.
and the true support is likely far more than admitted.
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Make the numbers up if it helps you feel better. Just don’t bother normal people with your fantasies.
if it’s so inconsequential, that money, why is it they don’t give it back?
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It’s not cash. It’s credits to buy military equipment from American manufacturers. If the aid were withdrawn tomorrow, it might trigger a mild business recession and some fiscal problems which could be worked out over the course of a business cycle. If there were strings attached which compromised their security in some way, they could readily refuse the aid.
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Economic prosperity comes from the development of human capital. Israel’s economy, like that of any other affluent country, is devoted primarily to production of services with the bulk of its factors of production otherwise devoted to construction and manufacturing. Exports of fuel and minerals account for < 1% of gross domestic product. There is no natural resource bonanza which accounts for Israel's prosperity, and there never has been. OilCanFloyd fancies Israel's prosperity is a function of secret aid flows because that's how he responds to realities which contradict his priors.
We also pay their neighbors off, and we subsidize displaced Palestinians (which is the least we could do for the latter).
For aid money that doesn't matter and can get sorted out over one business cycle, AIPAC, Israeli politicians, and American congress swine fight for every cent like a rabid dog. Try cutting it.
That money could make all the difference in quality of life if spent on a US state or metropolitan area.
Sure. You are the normal person with all the statistics. I didn’t give numbers, and neither did you. I just stated the obvious, which is that Israel has had massive aid and support of all kinds since the very beginning.
Statistics (whatever you claim) mean nothing when applied to a nation that has its loans and fuel guaranteed on very favorable terms, if Israel is even held accountable for either. The U.S. government even gave a Covid relief package to Israel. The claim that a nation whose leaders regularly make demands on the West for money, reparations, military aid, technological aid, protection from enemies, and God only knows what else, and usually gets what it wants, is not a leech is laughable. Israel even got a free nuclear program! And the political protection that Israel receives from the U.S. prevents the sanctions that cripple other far less odious nations. Half of the third world is mired in debt because their leaders have to go through the usual channels to borrow money.
Israel apparently does have racist roads in spades, though.
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It hasn't. Aid to Israel was minimal for 25 years. The big run up in aid occurred from 1973 to 1984, after which it was frozen in nominal terms and declined in contextual importance as Israel's economy grew.
Statistics (whatever you claim) mean nothing when applied to a nation that has its loans and fuel guaranteed on very favorable terms, if Israel is even held accountable for either. The U.S. government even gave a Covid relief package to Israel. The claim that a nation whose leaders regularly make demands on the West for money, reparations, military aid, technological aid, protection from enemies, and God only knows what else, and usually gets what it wants, is not a leech is laughable. Israel even got a free nuclear program! And the political protection that Israel receives from the U.S. prevents the sanctions that cripple other far less odious nations. Half of the third world is mired in debt because their leaders have to go through the usual channels to borrow money.
Israel apparently does have racist roads in spades, though.Replies: @Art Deco
which is that Israel has had massive aid and support of all kinds since the very beginning.
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It hasn’t. Aid to Israel was minimal for 25 years. The big run up in aid occurred from 1973 to 1984, after which it was frozen in nominal terms and declined in contextual importance as Israel’s economy grew.
That is completely untrue. You also don’t have access to the data that goes into figuring Israel’s economic numbers any more than I do. But one only has to be semi-literate and marginally well-informed to understand that Israel gets far more than the $4 billion yearly official figure. Here’s a little help for you:
https://citizentruth.org/us-senate-quietly-approves-38-billion-for-israel-amid-historic-economic-downturn/
And that’s still likely just a small part of what Israel receives, since Israel has wormed its way into every nook and cranny of the U S. System.
Anyone with any sense at all would understand that having energy guarantees, loan guarantees, covid aid,
unlimited political, PR and military cover, very generous yearly aid, technological assistance, reparations for 70 plus years, free nuclear program…is a huge advantage. There would likely be no third world if every nation got as much.
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That is absolutely true, it's just that you are unaware of it and knowing little, you have filled in the blanks from your imagination.
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It's not cash. It's credits to buy military equipment from American manufacturers. If the aid were withdrawn tomorrow, it might trigger a mild business recession and some fiscal problems which could be worked out over the course of a business cycle. If there were strings attached which compromised their security in some way, they could readily refuse the aid.
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Economic prosperity comes from the development of human capital. Israel's economy, like that of any other affluent country, is devoted primarily to production of services with the bulk of its factors of production otherwise devoted to construction and manufacturing. Exports of fuel and minerals account for < 1% of gross domestic product. There is no natural resource bonanza which accounts for Israel's prosperity, and there never has been. OilCanFloyd fancies Israel's prosperity is a function of secret aid flows because that's how he responds to realities which contradict his priors.Replies: @Ennui
Art
We also pay their neighbors off, and we subsidize displaced Palestinians (which is the least we could do for the latter).
For aid money that doesn’t matter and can get sorted out over one business cycle, AIPAC, Israeli politicians, and American congress swine fight for every cent like a rabid dog. Try cutting it.
That money could make all the difference in quality of life if spent on a US state or metropolitan area.
I agree with you OF, but you have nobody but the Anglos going back to Truman to blame.
https://citizentruth.org/us-senate-quietly-approves-38-billion-for-israel-amid-historic-economic-downturn/
And that's still likely just a small part of what Israel receives, since Israel has wormed its way into every nook and cranny of the U S. System.
Anyone with any sense at all would understand that having energy guarantees, loan guarantees, covid aid,
unlimited political, PR and military cover, very generous yearly aid, technological assistance, reparations for 70 plus years, free nuclear program...is a huge advantage. There would likely be no third world if every nation got as much.Replies: @Art Deco
That is completely untrue.
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That is absolutely true, it’s just that you are unaware of it and knowing little, you have filled in the blanks from your imagination.
You haven’t refuted a thing. All I’ve done is state the obvious, which is mostly public knowledge. The following article pretty much states what I stated, so the information is out there.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-true-cost-of-israel/
Your great knowledge so far is just several figures from the Israeli government, which are likely as reliable as any economic figures put out by any government. Either way, I seriously doubt that you have gone through the figures that make up your stats, so you aren’t an expert.
I’m not sure what it is that you deny. Is it massive military aid totaling $148 billion since 1948, according to a 2018 report by the Congressional Research service? Loan guarantees that Keep Israel from going through the normal channels the keep half the world mired in debt? Diplomatic cover that protects Israel from sanctions? Tech and employment agreements that no other nation with Israel’s history of spying, unstable geographical location, and low national iq (92 on average) and PISA scores would receive? What is it that you deny?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/lockheed-martin-to-open-major-subsidiary-in-israel/
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/microsoft-to-hire-2500-in-israel-in-coming-years-681204
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country
https://www.voltairenet.org/article174315.html
https://www.newsweek.com/israels-aggressive-spying-us-mostly-hushed-250278
This tells the favorable terms that Israel receives on loans, even if the bias is laughably in Israel’s favor:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/u-s-loan-guarantees-for-israel
My guess is that you have no more first-hand knowledge than I have, and, if you do, you are being dishonest. Even with the ridiculous media slant in Israel’s favor, it’s not hard to read between the lines to see at least part of what is going on, and that reality is far, and likely very far, from what is presented as true on all topics Israel.
If every nation received all the favors given to Israel, there would be no third-world nations.
George Marshall was against recognizing Israel, and Harry Truman complained bitterly about pressure from Jewish groups. The usual story is that Truman reluctantly recognized Israel due to pressure from influential Jews over votes and donations. Eisenhower, Kennedy, Carter and Bush I all tried to oppose the Jewish lobby. Too bad no e of them were completely honest about what they were up against.
I guess you could say the old Amglo elites made a deal with the devil to raise Jews as a victim group and partner group of elites to cover for Allied crimes and complicity in starting WWII. That sounds likely. But that’s not in the same class of blame that falls on organized Jewry.
Your description of Eisenhower, Kennedy, Carter, Bush I, and Truman complaining, but caving sounds like what might call “profiles in courage.”
It wasn’t just the Jews, btw, got to add in the Dispensationalist voting block and activists. Israel would have never existed if not for American and British Dispensationalists going back to the 19th century. Dispensationalists were rabidly Zionist at a time when most Jews still had not come around to the idea for either religious or assimilationist reasons.