The Constitution doesn’t outlaw the right to create a deadly panic by freely shouting fire in a theater. That’s a creation of a liberal SCOUS justice’s overreaching and making up law without any Constitutional support.
Twitter is a private enterprise with its own right to manage as it wishes. It is not required to provide a platform to people or entities it doesn’t want to. The state compelling them to would be unconstitutional unless, I suppose, an issue reached SCOTUS and, given who’s being blocked by Twitter decides that the 1st Amendment actually doesn’t prevent the state from restricting Twitter’s 1st Amendment rights.
It’s not free speech the ACLU’s stressing over, it’s the effects of irresponsible speech.
OTOH, our awesome nation, the envy of the world, as a matter of law cannot have a national response to a global pandemic so this idiocy as well, sure, why not. Can’t expect too much from a proven failed state.

Something’s lost here in encryption.

ACLU has always been one of Langley’s fake NGOs. Their seminal contribution to free speech was purging people who pointed out CIA’s apical coup in 1963.

N.B. the big unmentionable in this great debate: the supreme law of the land on freedom of expression, with which US law at all levels is obligated to come into conformity. And which, under the continuity-of-obligations principle, will remain as a state commitment despite any change of government, including in successor states. Article 19. Explained, for nitwit statists, in the authoritative interpretive guidance of HRC General Comment 34.

https://www.refworld.org/docid/4ed34b562.html

So with any talking head who can’t reconcile his viewpoint with Article 19 and General Comment 34, don’t waste your breath, just backhand his nuts. He’s an ignoramus talking out his ass.

@Hart Liss = fascist censorship apologist! own it! admit it! the censorship is ALL ABOUT SHUTTING DOWN CONSERVATIVE SPEECH. democrats get to say anything irresponsible they feel like at any time- libel, insulting, triggering, name-calling- you name it- liberals get away with it. and this was THE problem with twitter. AND THE ACLU is a liberal organization- so OF COURSE THEY SUPPORT THE CENSORSHIP OF CONSERVATIVES. when you censor only one side of the populace- that is the very definition of INFLUENCING ELECTIONS!!!. this has been going on for years. i know because i have been posting on yahoo comments for years, only to see them utterly and completely shut down their comments in the last 2 years- right before the fraudulent ‘biden stolen election’. HOW CONVENIENT! they briefly re-instated comments last month- guess what? it lasted barely 24 hours! they could not stand the fact that after they shut down all comments, conservative commenters came back stronger and more numerous and outnumbered the libtards- even with the yahoo censors and armny of paid yahoo trolls. so this is all about protecting the corrupt democRATS, who staged a coup on the US election. ACLU is coming to their rescue because elon musk dared to call them on their corruption.

ACLU Terrified That Conservatives Might Get to Speak Publically. there, i fixed the title for you!

apple and android are private companies- what if they decided to monitor your calls and terminate them if they didn’t like your comments? would that be OK with you Hart Liss? apparently so! and what about verizon and AT&T, would that be OK with you if they intercepted all your calls and decided which ones to allow through and which ones they blocked? apparently Hart Liss says this is perfectly within their rights! so, apparently, we have no rights unless the private companies decide otherwise, because biden certainly is NOT going to defend our rights. and pelosi certainly is not going to defend our rights- and obama has already come out and said ‘YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS!’.

How cute that Ukraine is used as the example of kicking in doors over internet postings.

Russia has been doing this for years and in fact will give you a 15 year sentence if you call it a war.

However the pro-Putin faction here is fine with locking down free speech and the internet as long as their dictator in height enhancing shoes is the one doing it. If the ACLU calls for internet speech controls then THATS WRONG CAUSE FREE SPEECH.

Seems like very few of us actually value free speech. It appears most have their political dogma that must be protected at all costs or favorite little boots dictator that they will defend as he steps on the necks of independent journalists and bloggers. Sad.

Unz Poster 2020:
The MSM and Twitter clearly can’t handle free speech since they are trying to bury the Hunter Biden laptop story. We need to protect free speech to counter these tyrannical organizations. Trump would have been re-elected if they actually investigated the Hunter story and forced Biden to explain himself.

Unz Poster 2022:
I support the Russian dictator and his merciless war against dissenters. If Putin locks down the internet then good….because…..Jews or something….. You must be a Jew with your “explain why you support killing and suppressing Whites” talk. We don’t want to explain anything and would support banning you from this website.

Unz: A corner of the internet dedicated to free speech unless the posters rally around a dictator that is explicitly anti-free speech.

Is it CIA? I was considering it might be FBI instead.

Yeah, when I looked up their early history it was immediately obvious they were consistently kto kogo, not civil liberties. American Communist Liberties Union.

To be honest even the name ‘civil liberties’ screams religious fanaticism. The [union] thing is probably a nod to the conquest and enslavement of the south by Lincoln. And of course “”labour”” unions.

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Do you think the ATF owns one of the drug cartels in Mexico? As opposed to, say, all of them. I figure the cartel war is really a proxy war between the ATF and, like, the FCC. Which is why you find large ammo purchases in their budgets occasionally.

Hypothesis: Fed => ATF => Cartel => Carlos Slim => NYT. Wholly owned and operated by Uncle Sam…inefficiently and expensively through three cutouts.

ACLU Worries That Elon Musk Might Allow Free Speech on Twitter.

Now, read this sentence several times and then, Think.

ACLU’s comment on their page:
“While Elon Musk is an ACLU card-carrying member and one of our most significant supporters, there’s a lot of danger having so much power in the hands of any one individual. In today’s world, a small handful of private tech companies — including Twitter — play a profound and unique role in enabling our right to express ourselves online. Social media is a critical tool used to share ideas, express opinions, and consume information that has real-life impacts in discourse in the offline world. We should be worried about any powerful central actor, whether it’s a government or any wealthy individual — even if it’s an ACLU member — having so much control over the boundaries of our political speech online.”

How about Zuckerberg or Greenblatt?

What a bunch of horse shit. They are supposed to be for “civil liberties”, but not for straight, white males. So they spin it like that: We’re for free speech, but not like this. You see how the woke has to twist themselves into intellectual knots to maintain their narrative?

Libertarians can now officially stop supporting this left-wing organization.

If another Libertarian claims to be a card-carrying member of the ACLU then tell him to chop his balls off and hand in his guns.

Unreal that Whites still send this organization money when they openly favor illegals over gun owners.

I guess SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED wasn’t clear enough for them.

She really has a good voice and it’s kind of fun to have a goofball around.

However, I think of Allison Chabloz in prison for mocking the holohoax at the hands of those filthy European style socialists.

Oh Elon, give us back our J words.

Although I dragged my feet for a couple of years on it, I finally sent the ACLU a resignation letter some months ago. It seemed that mailings had discontinued as requested, but recently I received one of their renewal letters. Not surprising, really. Coincidentally, narcissistic abusers also have a hard time accepting that anyone can say no to them, or break up with them and mean it. The Mafia also has been known not to accept rejection gracefully.

I had resigned from the Democratic Party a few years ago. They recently sent a questionnaire saying they had me listed me as inactive with lots of questions. Needless to say, I did not respond. Apparently a person cannot simply resign from the Democrats; they can only become “inactive.” As an Episcopal priest once screeched at me, if you are baptized, you cannot become a non-Christian, only a bad Christian.

As for the ACLU, I’ll wait till they send a second request and then send them another letter along with a copy of the first. They are a tiresome lot.

Unz Poster 2022:
I support the Russian dictator and his merciless war against dissenters. If Putin locks down the internet then good….because…..Jews or something….. You must be a Jew with your “explain why you support killing and suppressing Whites” talk. We don’t want to explain anything and would support banning you from this website.

Please provide – or at least cite by thread and # – a specific example or two of this “Unz Poster 2022” comment you’ve caricatured.

ACLU should change its name to AJPU or American Jewish Power Union.

It’s no longer about civil liberties. As Jews got the most power, they control the laws and don’t need protections. Protections are for the weak or less powerful. With all their power, Jews are focused on control and suppression. ACLU now serves that purpose. As Jews change, so do all the institutions controlled by them.

The Jews haven’t changed since they clamored for Barabbus.

33 AD Barabbus
2020 AD George Floyd

But, you’re correct, their reign is supported by all of their deep-pocketed organizations.

Where’s our organization, PF?

“Hate speech” is a way to bring in the elimination of free speech. The Disinformation group led by the fascist wannabe Julie Andrews is another affront to liberty. She is an enemy of the people. The ACLU has degenerated into a steaming, stinky pile of fascist ordure left on the front lawn. Those who still contribute should have their money refunded, since, looking at the present views of the organization, against free speech and for medicofascism, it has become one of the leading enemies of civil liberties. Accordingly, all of their pleas for money are fraudulent, since they are among the leading gravediggers of civil liberties now in existence.
Baldwin, if he were alive, would order the liquidation of the organization he founded. I am also sure that the ACLU supports concentration camps such as the lockups of victims of regime persecution based on their actions during the Reichstag, or excuse me, US congress occupation of 6 January 2021.

She needs to be put out of her misery, as a symbol of the complete breakdown of the rule of law and constitutional government in the US.

In case you are not aware, Putin is in America, the ACLU is. It is they (and the ADL, and Facebook, and jews like you) that are censoring speech in America, not Putin.

Reuters, the high C of Wisner’s wurlitzer, spysplains us about hate speech. The junior spy cadets of Reuters are evidently ignorant of the US reservation to Article 20 of the ICCPR. In a legally void action, the US told the ICCPR treaty parties that hate speech is okey-dokey here and everywhere in the world. That’s because government war propaganda is hate speech, and CIA needs war propaganda to justify its incessant sneak attacks and crimes of aggression. So you can say whatever the fuck you want.

American dimbulbs are trained to react emotionally to the magic words without knowing the definition. Hate speech is advocacy of violence or discrimination. As such the statement niggers niggers niggers is not hate speech. In fact, any disembodied voice on the Internet has great latitude for broadcasting whatever he wants from Mom’s basement, because no on gives a shit what he thinks, under Article 19’s interpretation. It’s warlike governments that Article 20 is meant to stop.

In classic one-trick CIA mind control manipulation, CIA evades its obligation to refrain from war propaganda and hate speech, and imposes it on you. So since it’s legal by US government acclamation, let us agree that all CIA employees, contractors, and agents should be hanged a little, cut down to be disemboweled and castrated, with the attached entrails grilled, and then dismembered by traction with four Ringling Brothers clown cars. And then we send the videos to their wife and kids, and put their heads on sticks.

In jurisdictions that have a modicum of sanity, it is generally held that de facto monopolies are subject to the same regulations as entities under public law. That is to say, you can ban and censor anyone at will if you are running a small blog, but those who control the market must abide by the constitutional guarantees – the reason being that in both cases there is effectively no viable alternative.

Apart from that, the entire thing about leftists and liberals screaming for censorship reminds me of the opening words of Sima Qian’s “Records of the Grand Historian”: “Whenever history has run its course for long enough, everything that once was joined will be found separated, and everything that once was separated will be found joined…”
Recently I was informed that scholars even have a word for this; they call it enantiodromy.

And as an aside, I do not believe in messianic figures, and Elon Musk is not even a particularly alluring one. I think he’s just pushing up the ante in a bid to advance from simple multi-billionaire status to being the silverback of silverbacks. (One man, one vote — Da Man has Da Vote.)

Please provide – or at least cite by thread and # – a specific example or two of this “Unz Poster 2022” comment you’ve caricatured.

Anglin threads. A few back. Also Mike Whitney.

I was accused of being a Jew for asking how this war benefitted Whites over Jews. Also accused of being a Jew for pointing out that Israel gets cheap oil from this war.

Maybe you underestimate how many fake White nationalist incels are in the Anglin threads. Basically the type that profess to like Whites and then celebrate as they are blown to pieces. They also don’t like having to explain why the war exists.

Anglin and his followers have been cheering this war from the beginning.

I was also called a Jew in this thread for pointing out that Putin is anti-free speech.

In case you are not aware, Putin is in America, the ACLU is. It is they (and the ADL, and Facebook, and jews like you) that are censoring speech in America, not Putin.

Here we go again. I’m now a Jew because I’m pointing out that Putin censors speech?

You can get 15 years in a Russian prison for calling it a war:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/07/russia-criminalizes-independent-war-reporting-anti-war-protests

Hilarious that you call me a Jew for pointing out easily verifiable facts.

Russia hasn’t had an open internet for over a decade. Putin doesn’t allow free speech or a free internet. Kind of a duh at this point.

It’s actually possible to be against the ACLU and the shoe heightening dictator of Russia. Think on that for a few hours. Try using your brain instead of just shouting JEW when someone takes a critical or dissenting view.

Putting her in charge of the Ministry of Truth with all of her obvious character flaws and ruthless dishonesty just demonstrates the contempt ZOG has for us.

Really disturbing how far we have fallen as a decent nation and as a free people under their sinister control.

One thing is for certain. This control has to end as it isn’t good for us or the world, and it isn’t any good for them either.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that the Jews are really good at f——– things up. And equally obvious and disturbing: We are very good at letting them gain control over our institutions and our culture and aiding them in their unethical behaviors.

What a bunch of horse shit. They are supposed to be for “civil liberties”, but not for straight, white males. So they spin it like that: We’re for free speech, but not like this. You see how the woke has to twist themselves into intellectual knots to maintain their narrative?

They don’t want White men to have open discussions about reality.

That is what it comes down to.

They hate the internet because unlike Academia it is anonymous and social/workplace pressure can’t be used to discourage the discourse of certain realities. The internet terrifies them and corporate control through a communication medium like twitter at least allowed websites like this one to be kept away from the mainstream.

The left has always been against free speech but assumed they would control any narrative related to race. They have only taken the side of free speech in the past when their actions undermined Western culture. Mostly cases where they target civil decency laws like requiring libraries to carry pornagraphy.

The last thing they want is for Whites to openly discuss what they see. If they had the power they would happily ship us off to camps to make sure that doesn’t happen. White people need to be silenced. Other races don’t intimidate them.

A great article by Dr B! It’s a pity it is only read by the assorted cranks at Unz.

I find it more than a bit silly that Putin is upset when Russians call the Russian-Ukranus war a ‘war’, instead of a ‘Special Military Operation’, since there is no obvious difference in reality. I would have thought that he was more intelligent than to try to micromanage that sort of semantic difference. But he is not the only one. The Krauts are even sillier.

“Lower Saxony and Bavaria are taking action against the “Z” symbol, which is the symbol of the Russian army in the war against Ukraine. The two federal states have ordered the public use of the symbol in Germany, for example during demonstrations, by law. Possible penalties for using the sign of the Russian aggressor in Ukraine is a fine or up to three years in prison.”

You failed to specify any examples of any comment akin to “I support the Russian dictator and his merciless war against dissenters.”

Please try again – and be specific, as requested previously.

There is a very simple solution:
Declare that any social media site with more than 10% market share be reclassified as a “common carrier”, just like the phone and internet service providers.
This one move would release the social media sites from responsibility for content and would be a good way to restore true freedom of speech.
Since social media sites are considered the equivalent of the “town square”, there should be no problem making this work.

You failed to specify any examples of any comment akin to “I support the Russian dictator and his merciless war against dissenters.”

Please try again – and be specific, as requested previously.

You can get 15 years in a Russian prison for calling it a war. Even saying “I support the war” is technically a crime.

I already posted the link and the law itself is public information. Meaning it isn’t a rumor and you can verify the actual law.

Try reading something other than Putin cheerleader blogs.

It is also punishable by fine and or jail to eat an ice cream cone while riding your horse on the street in Louisville Ky. And there are speed limit laws that are essentially ignored. My point being there are numerous laws passed but really not enforced. It’d make more of a point to show examples of how much the laws are being enforced. For example, no matter the laws passed in the US, big tech censors anything the government (or it’s ngo lackeys) lables as mis/disinfo. How does this fit into your cozy little Putin is a dictator metric?

More shameless dissembling. Again, here’s what you were asked:

Please provide – or at least cite by thread and # – a specific example or two of this “Unz Poster 2022” comment you’ve caricatured.

Is the “Putin cheerleader” name calling out of the Pentagon Patriot’s Playbook, too?

ACLU Worries That Elon Musk Might Allow Free Speech on Twitter

I appreciate Kevin Barrett, but I’m probably not the only one who has a nagging doubt about him.

If it was in his power as a Muslim to enforce, would he tolerate free speech his religion would not tolerate?

What if elon just reengineered twitter such that moderation became impossible, no editing at mgmt level. The web today is censored because some people cannot handle honesty and the reason you have to have accounts and sign in and all that is because they want to track users and what they say. moderation is censorship. happens on this website also

Twitter — play a profound and unique role in enabling our right to express ourselves online.

What rubbish. I write whatever I like on my own websites. “Twitter” has got absolutely nothing to do with it. As far as I am concerned, so-called “social media” are totally irrelevant.

I believe Mr. Unz was correct is saying that about all that gets “expressed” in 140 characters is slogans and insults. Which is rather like graffiti, or political posters, if you think about it.

the boundaries of our political speech online.

The privilege of writing insults on the walls of a virtual latrine?
Speak for yourself, ese.

What a degenerate. Don’t know for sure, but I’ve read that Berlin in the 1920’s harbored a similar disgusting cohort.

I prefer the wholesome rock and roll of my youth:

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Too bad the U.S. A., as we knew it, no longer exists.
I owe no allegiance to the sewer in D.C.

Presumably, this film:

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or even the knowledge that it exists, must now be banned in Deutschland.
Actually, I believe I saw a You Tube video in which thousands took to the streets in protest. Whether that had any effect, I do not know.

And equally obvious and disturbing: We are very good at letting them gain control over our institutions and our culture and aiding them in their unethical behaviors.

What will happen when the woke wake up?

A family member-by-marriage is/was? a model millennial lefty: marched in the Jan 17 pussy parade; went into mourning at Hillary’s defeat; worshiped at the altar of Obama.

Her 10-year old FB was a diary of her political/emotional life. Last FB photo she posted — a year or so ago — was a selfie in a frame boasting of her vaccinated status, and denigrating anyone who was not similarly maimed.

Today, the entire FB is gone, erased, removed.

What happened, I wonder?

Is she or someone she cares about experiencing negative after-effect of vaccine?

Has she suddenly awakened to the government perfidy that so seduced her?

Assuming for the sake of argument that a bubble has popped and she now perceives that much of what she believed in so fervently was a delusion constructed by an evil government/establishment, how will she carry on? Where will she place her beliefs and her energy? Where will she find friends — presumably New friends? How will she relate to those closest to her who, one assumes, were either Fellow Believers before-, or pulled into her orbit after- entering into relationship with her?

Being 40-ish, having a young family, competing in career-world with younger equally-trained professionals, and making ends meet is tough enough without also realizing that your center of gravity was false.

I do not think my cousin-in-law is alone, maybe just a harbinger of a coming phenomenon.
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PS Speaking of free speech: My cousin-in-law would remove any comment of mine that she disagreed with, and blocked access to her FB altogether when others expressed thoughts contrary to her own. That’s open-minded wokeism for you.

I don’t expect the woke to ever do anything but stay woke.

The extreme white liberal mindset seems more like madness to me than any clinical form of madness. Schizophrenics are more sane than are white liberals.

Completely impervious to reason or reality. A dreamlike state of constant delusion mixed up with an inordinate sense of personal virtue. The world of upside down.

Insanity.

This

A dreamlike state of constant delusion mixed up with an inordinate sense of personal virtue.

also explains how social media accelerates the frenzies — CoVID, Ukraine, the rumored SCOTUS opinion on abortion. No time for reflection, no room for nuance. Every issue’s morally fundamental, every discussion an emotionalized, adolescent fire drill. And the adults are afraid to open their mouths.

John Johnson – are you sure that Putin wear height enhancing shoes?