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If you have paid attention to what various polls and officials in the U.S. and elsewhere in the West have been doing and saying about Ukraine lately, you know the look and sound of desperation. You would be desperate, too, if you were making a case for a war Ukrainians are on the brink of losing and will never, brink or back-from-the-brink, have any chance of winning. Atop this, you want people who know better, including 70 percent of Americans according to a recent poll, to keep investing extravagant sums in this ruinous folly.

And here is what seems to me the true source of angst among these desperados: Having painted this war as a cosmic confrontation between the world’s democrats and the world’s authoritarians, the people who started it and want to prolong it have painted themselves into a corner. They cannot lose it. They cannot afford to lose a war they cannot win: This is what you see and hear from all those good-money-after-bad people still trying to persuade you that a bad war is a good war and that it is right that more lives and money should be pointlessly lost to it.

Everyone must act for the cause in these dire times. You have Chuck Schumer in Kyiv last week trying to show House Republicans that they should truly, really authorize the Biden regime to spend an additional $61 billion on its proxy war with Russia. “Everyone we saw, from Zelensky on down made this very point clear,” the Democratic senator from New York asserted in an interview with The New York Times. “If Ukraine gets the aid, they will win the war and beat Russia.”

Even at this late hour people still have the nerve to say such things.

You have European leaders gathering in Paris Monday to reassure one another of their unity behind the Kyiv regime—and where Emmanuel Macron refused to rule out sending NATO ground troops to the Ukrainian front. “Russia cannot and must not win this war,” the French president declared to his guests at the Elysée Palace.

Except that it can and, barring an act of God, it will.

Then you have Jens Stoltenberg, NATO’s war-mongering sec-gen, telling Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty last week that it will be fine if Kyiv uses F–16s to attack Russian cities once they are operational this summer. The U.S.–made fighter jets, the munitions, the money—all of it is essential “to ensure Russia doesn’t make further gains.” Stephen Bryen, formerly a deputy undersecretary at the Defense Department, offered an excellent response to this over the weekend in his Weapons and Strategy newsletter: “Fire Jens Stoltenberg before it is too late.”

Good thought, but Stoltenberg, Washington’s longtime water-carrier in Brussels, is merely doing his job as assigned: Keep up the illusions as to Kyiv’s potency and along with it the Russophobia, the more primitive the better. You do not get fired for irresponsible rhetoric that risks something that might look a lot like World War III.

What would a propaganda blitz of this breadth and stupidity be without an entry from The New York Times? Given the extent to which The Times has abandoned all professional principle in the service of the power it is supposed to report upon, you just knew it would have to get in on this one.

The Times has published very numerous pieces in recent weeks on the necessity of keeping the war going and the urgency of a House vote authorizing that $61 billion Biden’s national security people want to send Ukraine. But never mind all those daily stories. Last Sunday it came out with its big banana. “The Spy War: How the C.I.A. Secretly Helps Ukraine Fight Putin” sprawls—lengthy text, numerous photographs. The latter show the usual wreckage—cars, apartment buildings, farmhouses, a snowy dirt road lined with landmines. But the story that goes with it is other than usual.

Somewhere in Washington, someone appears to have decided it was time to let the Central Intelligence Agency’s presence and programs in Ukraine be known. And someone in Langley, the CIA’s headquarters, seems to have decided this will be O.K., a useful thing to do. When I say the agency’s presence and programs, I mean some: We get a very partial picture of the CIA’s doings in Ukraine, as the lies of omission—not to mention the lies of commission—are numerous in this piece. But what The Times published last weekend, all 5,500 words of it, tells us more than had been previously made public.

Let us consider this unusually long takeout carefully for what it is and how it came to make page one of last Sunday’s editions.

In a recent commentary I reflected on the mess The Times landed in when it published a thoroughly discredited p.o.s.—and I leave readers to understand this newsroom expression—on the sexual violence Hamas militias allegedly committed last Oct. 7. I described a corrupt but routinized relationship between the organs of official power and the journalists charged with reporting on official power, likening it to a foie gras farmer feeding his geese: The Times’s journalists opened wide and swallowed. For appearances’ sake, they then set about dressing up what they ingested as independently reported work. This is the routine.

ORDER IT NOW

It is the same, yet more obviously, with this extended piece on the CIA’s activities in Ukraine. Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz tell the story of—this the subhead—“a secret intelligence partnership with Ukraine that is now critical for both countries in countering Russia.” They set the scene in a below-ground monitoring and communications center the CIA showed Ukrainian intel how to build beneath the wreckage of an army outpost destroyed in a Russian missile attack. They report on the archipelago of such places the agency paid for, designed, equipped, and now helps operate. Twelve of these, please note, are along Ukraine’s border with Russia.

Entous and Schwirtz, it is time to mention, are not based in Ukraine. They operate from Washington and New York respectively. This indicates clearly enough the genesis of “The Spy War.” There was no breaking down of doors involved here, no intrepid correspondents digging, no tramping around in Ukraine’s mud and cold, unguided. The CIA handed these two material according to what it wanted and did not want disclosed, and various officials associated with it made themselves available as “sources”—none of the American sources named, per usual.

Are we supposed to think these reporters found the underground bunker and all the other such installations by dint of their “investigation”—a term they have the gall to use as they describe what they did? And then they developed some kind of grand exposé of all the agency wanted to keep hidden? Is this it?

Sheer pretense, nothing more. Entous and Schwirtz opened wide and got fed. There appears to be nothing in what they wrote that was not effectively authorized, and we can probably do without “effectively.”

There is also the question of sources. Entous and Schwirtz say they conducted 200 interviews to get this piece done. If they did, and I will stay with my “if,” they do not seem to have been very good interviews to go by the published piece. And however many interviews they did, this must still be counted a one-source story, given that everyone quoted in it reflects the same perspective and so reinforces, more or less, what everyone else quoted has to say. The sources appear to have been handed to Entous and Schwirtz as was access to the underground bunker.

The narrative thread woven through the piece is interesting. It is all about the two-way, can’t-do-without-it cooperation between the CIA and Ukraine’s main intel services—the SBU (the domestic spy agency) and military intelligence, which goes by HUR. In this the piece reads like a difficult courtship that leads to a happy-at-last consummation. It took a long time for the Americans to trust the Ukrainians, we read, as they, the Americans, assumed the SBU was thick with Russian double agents. But the Ukrainian spooks enticed them with stacks and stacks of intelligence that seems to have astonished the CIA people on the ground and back in Langley.

So, a tale with two moving parts: The Americans helped the Ukrainians get their technology, methods, and all-around spookery up to snuff, and the Ukrainians made themselves indispensable to the Americans by providing wads of raw intel. Entous and Schwirtz describe this symbiosis as “one of Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today.” Here is how a former American official put it, as The Times quotes him or her:

The relationships only got stronger and stronger because both sides saw value in it, and the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv—our station there, the operation out of Ukraine—became the best source of information, signals and everything else, on Russia. We couldn’t get enough of it.

As to omissions and commissions, there are things left out in this piece, events that are blurred, assertions that are simply untrue and proven to be so. What amazes me is how far back Entous and Schwirtz reach to dredge up all this stuff—even to the point they make fools of themselves and remind us of the Times’s dramatic loss of credibility since the current round of Russophobia took hold a decade ago.

Entous and Schwirtz begin their account of the CIA–SBU/HUR alliance in 2014, when the U.S. cultivated the coup in Kyiv that brought the present regime to power and ultimately led to Russia’s military intervention. But no mention of the U.S. role in it. They write, “The CIA’s partnership in Ukraine can be traced back to two phone calls on the night of Feb. 24, 2014, eight years to the day before Russia’s full-scale invasion.” Neat, granular, but absolutely false. The coup began three days earlier, on Feb. 21, and as Vladimir Putin reminded Tucker Carlson during the latter’s Feb. 6 interview with the Russian president, it was the CIA that did the groundwork.

I confess a special affection for this one: “The Ukrainians also helped the Americans go after the Russian operatives who meddled in the 2016 U.S. presidential election,” Entous and Schwirtz write. And later in the piece, this:

In one joint operation, a[n] HUR team duped an officer from Russia’s military intelligence service into providing information that allowed the C.I.A. to connect Russia’s government to the so-called Fancy Bear hacking group, which had been linked to election interference efforts in a number of countries.

Wonderful. Extravagantly nostalgic for that twilight interim that began eight years ago, when nothing had to be true so long as it explained why Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump, and why Donald Trump is No. 1 among America’s “deplorables.”

I have never seen evidence of Russian government interference in another nation’s elections, including America’s in 2016, and I will say with confidence you haven’t, either. All that came to be associated with the Russiagate fable, starting with the never-happened hack of the Democratic Party’s mail, was long ago revealed to be concocted junk. As to “Fancy Bear,” and its cousin “Cozy Bear”—monikers almost certainly cooked up over a long, fun lunch in Langley—for the umpteenth time these are not groups of hackers or any other sort of human being: They are sets of digital tools available to anyone who wants to use them.

Sloppy, tiresome. But to a purpose. Why, then? What is The Times’s purpose in publishing this piece?

We can start, logically enough, with that desperation evident among those dedicated to prolonging the war. The outcome of the war, in my read and in the view of various military analysts, does not depend on the $61 billion in aid that now hangs in the balance. But the Biden regime seems to think it does, or pretends to think it does. The Times’s most immediate intent, so far as one can make out from the piece, is to add what degree of urgency it can to this question.

Entous and Schwirtz report that the people running Ukrainian intelligence are nervous that without a House vote releasing new funds “the CIA will abandon them.” Good enough that it boosts the case to cite nervous Ukrainians, but we should recognize that this is a misapprehension. The CIA has a very large budget entirely independent of what Congress votes one way or another. William Burns, the CIA director, traveled to Kyiv two weeks ago to reassure his counterparts that “the U.S. commitment will continue,” as Entous and Schwirtz quote him saying. This is perfectly true, assuming Burns referred to the agency’s commitment.

More broadly, The Times piece appears amid flagging enthusiasm for the Ukraine project. And it is in this circumstance that Entous and Schwirtz went long on the benefits accruing to the CIA in consequence of its presence on the ground in Ukraine. But read these two reporters carefully: They, or whoever put their piece in its final shape, make it clear that the agency’s operations on Ukrainian soil count first and most as a contribution to Washington’s long campaign to undermine the Russian Federation. This is not about Ukrainian democracy, that figment of neoliberal propagandists. It is about Cold War II, plain and simple. It is time to reinvigorate the old Russophobia, thus—and hence all the baloney about Russians corrupting elections and so on. It is all there for a reason.

To gather these thoughts and summarize, This piece is not journalism and should not be read as such. Neither do Entous and Schwirtz serve as journalists. They are clerks of the governing class pretending to be journalists while they post notices on a bulletin board that pretends to be a newspaper.

Let’s dolly out to put this piece in its historical context and consider the implications of its appearance in the once-but-fallen newspaper of record. Let’s think about the early 1970s, when it first began to emerge that the CIA had compromised the American media and broadcasters.

Jack Anderson, the admirably iconoclastic columnist, lifted the lid on the agency’s infiltration of the media by way of a passing mention of a corrupted correspondent in 1973. A year later a former Los Angeles Times correspondent named Stuart Loory published the first extensive exploration of relations between the CIA and the media in the Columbia Journalism Review. Then, in 1976, the Church Committee opened its famous hearings in the Senate. It took up all sorts of agency malfeasance—assassinations, coups, illegal covert ops. Its intent was also to disrupt the agency’s misuse of American media and restore the latter to their independence and integrity.

The Church Committee is still widely remembered for getting its job done. But it never did. A year after Church produced its six-volume report, Rolling Stone published “The CIA and the Media,” Carl Bernstein’s well-known piece. Bernstein went considerably beyond the Church Committee, demonstrating that it pulled its punches rather than pull the plug on the CIA’s intrusions in the media. Faced with the prospect of forcing the CIA to sever all covert ties with the media, a senator Bernstein did not name remarked, “We just weren’t ready to take that step.”

We should read The Times’s piece on the righteousness of the CIA’s activities in Ukraine—bearing in mind the self-evident cooperation between the agency and the newspaper—with this history in mind.

America was just emerging from the disgraces of the McCarthyist period when Stuart Loory opened the door on this question, the Church Committee convened, and Carl Bernstein filled in the blanks. In and out of the profession there was disgust at the covert relationship between media and the spooks. Now look. What was then viewed as top-to-bottom objectionable is now routinized. It is “as usual.” In my read this is one consequence among many of the Russiagate years: They again plunged Americans and their mainstream media into the same paranoia that produced the corruptions of the 1950s and 1960s.

Alas, the scars of the swoon we call Russiagate are many and run deep.

Patrick Lawrence, a correspondent abroad for many years, chiefly for the International Herald Tribune , is a media critic, essayist, author and lecturer. His new book, Journalists and Their Shadows , is out now from Clarity Press. His website is Patrick Lawrence. Support his work via his Patreon site.

(Republished from Scheerpost by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. A well written, informative essay.

    More here from this author, please, Mr. Unz.

    • Disagree: Alden, BrooLidd
    • Thanks: Gallatin
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  2. Notsofast says:

    ……painted themselves into a corner…. and let me add to that they are rats and there’s a great big russian cat, that is patiently waiting for the paint to dry, good luck belling that cat, rat.

    maria zakharova (the sexiest big cat, i can think of), has just reminded “little boots” macron, that the french ss division charlemagne defended the fuhrerbunker to the end, adding “emmanuel, have you decided to organize the charlemagne 2 division to defend zelensky’s bunker”, 😂😆 god, i love that woman!

    this is just a game of cat and mouse, or rather cat and rat, now. expect the cat to have some fun, before biting off the rats head.

  3. Notsofast says:
    @Notsofast

    rarrr…

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    , @RobinG
    , @Avery
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  4. People mock the Holocaust Religion but isn’t the Democracy Religion sillier? What wild, mad, cruel things our rulers do in the name of democracy!

    • Agree: Emslander, TKK, BlackFlag
    • Replies: @Mulga mumblebrain
    , @HT
  5. Richard B says:
    @Greta Handel

    The CIA in Ukraine — the NY Times Gets a Guided Tour

    The CIA, the NY Times. And the difference is?

    Not much since they’re both subsumed by Supremacy Inc.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive, El_Kabong
    • Thanks: Justrambling
  6. Sheer pretense, nothing more. Entous and Schwirtz opened wide and got fed.

    Well, that’s one way of putting it. Since both Entous and Schwirtz are presstitutes, I rather think it was their legs that were opened wide … we’ll leave the rest to the reader’s imagination.

    • Replies: @anon
  7. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    not based in Ukraine. They operate from Washington and New York respectively.

    Smells of fabrication, playing into the usual Murican chest thumping along the lines of we’re the ones who ‘won the war’ and fantasies of superiority. What would those dumb Ukrainians have done without us and our Rambo super covert ops warriors? Fact is US has never fought a peer enemy but only the mortally weakened and third worlders. All our put together proxy forces have collapsed in the blink of an eye from the S Vietnamese army to the more recent puppet national armies in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pretty dismal track record. Hundreds of thousands of dead and injured Ukrainians as a result of US meddling, not really something to brag about in view of current realities. When it comes to the hush-hush stuff I’d like to know more about what those bio-labs were up to.

    • Agree: Old Prude, 1jonny
  8. I read this NYT piece the other day and my jaw dropped. It’s still unbelievable to me how Langley can admit in its premier propaganda organ that it has in fact been balls-deep in Ukraine for over ten years, that it did Maidan, that it’s done everything the “Putin apologists” have accused it of from the get-go, with a straight face, and we somehow are still the assholes.

    It doesn’t really move me, after the whole Covid tragicomedy nothing is outrageous enough to move me anymore, but it still gets some head-shakes out of me.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @Richard B
  9. Saggy says:

    Patrick Lawrence, a correspondent abroad for many years, chiefly for the International Herald Tribune ,

    I.e. he has spent his life lying for the establishment, and he doesn’t have a clue. Thus, he witnesses the world on the verge of WW III and he reveals to us that the media is lying. Everyone who has been at least half awake knows that the media is lying, the relevant question is why.

    It’s all very simple, really. This 1 – minute vid gives an explicit characterization of current US policy …


    Video Link
    But, Kennedy did not understand history or the US government. He did not understand that Jews have controlled US foreign policy since WW I.
    The key factor is that Jews control the US govt/media/academia, and their loyalty is to Israel, and further, they want to see east and west destroyed. Thus, they have forgotten and abandoned the MAD doctrine, and have the US fighting a war on Russia’s border that if continued can only have 1 consequence, a nuclear response from Russia and WW III.

    If you have another interpretation of events and a logical explanation for it, let’s hear it.

    The Jews have been planning for a war between east and west that would destroy both for 200 years. Netanyahu’s father wrote a book about it. The rabbis in this 1-hour vid explain –


    Video Link

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    , @BlackFlag
  10. That article justifies Russian intervention.

    The CIA has been in Ukraine since 1945 after it took over the Nazi intelligence group for the Soviet Union.


    Video Link

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  11. RobinG says:
    @Notsofast

    So, that precocious punk Hinkle won some award, met her, had dinner with Lavrov. Check his X for a cavalcade of luminaries. I’m not just a little jealous, lol.

    • Agree: annacat
    • LOL: Dr. Rock
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  12. Russian Army is now taking territory like a Pak Man.

  13. Alden says:

    “ América was just emerging from the disgrace of the McCarthy period” another woke faggot communist liberal. McCarthy was right. The federal government was full of communist spies. So was the media and colleges.

    Carl Bernstein’s parents were communists federal employees. Fired when FDR died and Truman for once in his life did the right thing and fired some communists. That might have been his motive for going after Nixon in Watergate

    McCarthy was absolutely correct about the communist spies. The anti McCarthy crowd was absolutely wrong. Because they were very very pro communist.

    This author is so ignorant he writes McCarthy a disgrace. In 2024 decades after the truth that McCarthy was correct came out. So why should I believe sword he writes? . Scheerpost is that anything to do with anti White ultra woke anti White activist Robert Scheer?

  14. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Democracy in a capitalist state is IMPOSSIBLE. The two are entirely antithetical. Add the Jewish filter, where generous Jewish political contributions dominate political financing, and the joke grows unfunnier.
    Throw in a brainwashing system of the MSM, ‘entertainment’, PR and advertising also dominated by the Celestial Beings and their stooges, and the chuckles become guffaws. Then consider the electorate, 50% by definition of below median intelligence, most utterly indifferent to human affairs, and increasingly metabolically deranged by junk food, junk medicine, junk ‘entertainment’, junk everything, and you begin to choke on your laughter.
    Clearly, the West is the wonder of the world, that all other societies must imitate-or else.

    • Agree: Dr. Rock
  15. This is basically a good article, if a bit overwritten—although nothing like as repetitive as it would have been had Jung-Freud been the author. The only real sour note comes towards the end:

    America was just emerging from the disgraces of the McCarthyist period when Stuart Loory opened the door on this question, the Church Committee convened, and Carl Bernstein filled in the blanks. … [T]he Russiagate years … again plunged Americans and their mainstream media into the same paranoia that produced the corruptions of the 1950s and 1960s.

    If Patrick Lawrence is suggesting that the elite press was allied with Senator Joseph McCarthy, he is either misinformed or mendacious. Prestige journalists of the day were, at best, barely tolerant of the postwar, Democrat-run House Un-American Activities Committee—precisely because it was run by the Democrats—but when the committee went after the Hollywood Ten in 1947,* the press barons dropped the final veil and openly sided with their fellow Jews.

    When Ike won in 1952 and the Republicans won both houses of Congress by a hair’s breadth, McCarthy briefly became a hero to a vast multitude of ordinary Americans, even though his vilification by the press and by the radio and TV networks had begun prior to the day of his committee’s first hearing.

    In other words, the “paranoia” and “the corruptions of the 1950s and 1960s” that Lawrence bemoans were “McCarthyist” solely in the sense that McCarthy, his few congressional allies, and the majority of the US population were the targets of paranoia and corruption, not their cause.
    ____________
    *For at least the past sixty years, the media has shamelessly lied in blaming the Hollywood blacklist and the “persecution” of the Ten either directly on McCarthy or—if they fear being caught in a big lie—on the McCarthyite spirit abroad in the land. Virtually never is the accusing finger pointed at HUAC or the corrupt Truman administration, which was desperate to appear anti-Communist in the run-up to the 1948 election.

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  16. Thanks! Impeccable piece and very well written.

  17. Teilhard says:

    Even Mr. Lawrence doesn’t use the J word, even though it’s Js all the way down: Nuland, Blinken, the ersatz Ukrainian Zelensky, others we don’t read about. From Howard Sachar’s History of the Jews in the Modern World: Russia is “the archenemy of the Jewish people.” It’s payback time, you Slavic bastards, you and the Ukrainians, whatever they are. Winning and losing is not the point. Punishment is the point, punishment and pain. That is our goal, our raison d’être, to be supercilious about it. But it’s true – we live for this. It’s what we do.

  18. Regarding the notion of Russia winning the war, the author wrote:

    …it can and, barring an act of God, it will.

    It would have been nice if he had at least explained exactly what he even means by winning, except that this supposed to remain an imaginary construct. Yet if a Russian victory were truly imminent, there would be no reason for Putin to issue yet another nuclear threat, as he just did in his widely televised speech yesterday. The common headline from multiple media organizations was:

    Putin threatens NATO with nuclear strike if it sends troops to Ukraine

    It thus appears that if the ongoing battles are not strictly confined to Ukrainian ground troops just shooting off short range artillery projectiles from howitzers, in which situation they are currently at a disadvantage, then Russia promptly threatens a nuclear holocaust, the end of civilization. This misguided verbal approach is clearly an act of sheer desperation.

    The issue is not so much about how many billions of dollars are authorized and spent, a misleading denominator, or even whether some troops from other countries provide assistance to Ukraine, but whether Ukraine is allowed to acquire sophisticated missiles, with a longer range and greater accuracy. Once enemy supply lines and storage sites are cut off by such precision weapons, and Russia’s remaining naval Black Sea fleet is destroyed, the military power balance on the ground would surely change again. Making a tactical transition toward utilizing higher quality weapons should not be considered “an act of God“.

    In a few days Sweden will finally join NATO, after its pending membership was delayed by Turkey and Hungary for more the a year. Sweden produces its own fighter jets and cruise missiles, and it also has a submarine fleet. If Swedes were as deluded as Putin, they could even lay historical claims to St. Petersburg. Despite all the talk about high-tech warfare over the last few years, such modern weapons have not yet been widely deployed by the Ukrainian side in this war. There is surely a keen interest among observers, how well they will perform in a limited war theater.

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  19. Russia is doomed for sure.

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  20. Impose a 20% annual Wealth Tax on all wealth above $100 million to fund everything

    Time to let the rich pay
    Auction flight time for private jets
    Impose minimum tax on Foundations

    • Agree: BrooLidd, Sam Hildebrand
  21. Lots of arms merchants and crooked politicians and military people made a lot of money from the Ukraine situation; and none of them gave a rats ass about the deaths and maiming of human beings on either side.

    It is always only about the money. Ukraine will continue to be milked for all it is worth and then these vultures will move on to their next target.

    If humans turn to diplomacy instead of killing each other the arms merchants might go bankrupt. The United States, and its vassals, are just slimy criminals unable to do anything else other than doing what that have always been doing.

    Their addiction to slimy underhanded extortion and exploitation will eventually bring their downfall. Hopefully, that will happen before these idiots blow this planet up!

    • Agree: JR Foley
  22. Jim H says:

    Something Patrick Lawrence can’t speculate about, but we can: what are the odds that two regime stenographers of Jewish heritage [2.5% of America’s population] would collaborate on an insider article about the CIA?

    Let’s do the math: (1/40) x (1/40) = 1 in 1,600.

    But this is no freakish cohencidence. The Lügenpresse in general, and the New York Slimes in particular, is owned by Jews, managed by Jews, and hires Jewish flacks in standard nepotistic tribal fashion.

    One cannot understand the headlong plunge of the ‘once-but-fallen newspaper of record’ without spotlighting the fact that as the zionist projects in Ukraine and Israel slide into crisis, the great Jewspaper’s mask of objectivity perforce must drop.

    Now naked partisanship on behalf of these crisis-wracked Jewish causes is the best the discredited Slimes can manage. Our job is to point our fingers, jeer, and name the dual-loyalty Jews who are insidiously posing as American journalists.

  23. My take on that piece of CIA propaganda matches Larry Johnson’s article about it on his site sonar21.com exactly.

  24. If just one representative to Congress would introduce legislation to restore WW2 style wartime tax rates that would include a 90% rate on upper income individuals, 70% on corporations etc. then we would see who really supports the war in Ukraine.

    • LOL: BrooLidd
  25. Anynomous says:

    It has been american, british and elite jewish bankers and jewish military/intelligence services running the show in Ukraine. Ukrainian are just puppets to be used for them, just like all history of british, swedish, american and some elite jews, when ancestors of american, british and swedish sold white people as slaves to the slave markets of Kiev, run by some elite jews, who controlled and still control slave markets and politics of Ukraine.

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  26. The CIA in Ukraine

    Quite a challenge coming up with countries that have been spared the ravages and/or CIA meddling. Not just in Ukraine. America wants the entire planet and beyond – at the behest of their Jewish owners.

  27. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    Excellent article.

    And no doubt the New York Slimes will be rewarded with another worthless Pulitzer for ‘investigative reporting’.

  28. Anonymous[295] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anynomous

    Henry Ford warned us about world wars and “international bankers”. You can’t have one without the other.

  29. Shably says:
    @Priss Factor

    the us was a gigantic mistake – Freud

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  30. Headline for Unz — “CIA in the USA. We are all led by the NOSE into woke anti-christian tyranny.”

  31. ld says:
    @Priss Factor

    Johns Hopkins psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘mental disorder’; sex reassignment ‘biologically impossible’
    “And so at Hopkins, we stopped doing gender reassignment surgery because producing a ‘satisfied’ but still troubled patient seemed like an insufficient reason to surgically amputate normal organs,” Dr. McHugh said.

    https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/scpsva/Board.nsf/files/B8UR4X6C2467/$file/01-08-19%20Citizen%20Handouts%20(L.%20Lineweaver).pdf

    a year ago I could not find anything like this in my searches
    so the trans psyop is likely peaked

    sorry off topic.

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  32. James J. O'Meara [AKA "Peter D. Bredon"] says:

    América was just emerging from the disgrace of the McCarthy period…

    “His thinking all this without having defiled and set fire to the typescript only made him appear to himself as more of a hypocrite and fool.” — Kingsley Amis, Lucky Jim

    • Replies: @Alden
  33. Hardrock says:

    The excesses of our government have become so numerous and entangled that it is difficult to remember them all. Here’s a list to help…..

    https://borderlandjournal.com/deep-state-oracles-running-list-of-lies-of-the-political-class/

  34. @Pierre de Craon

    First, thanks for shedding light on what has always been for me a murky episode of political history. I’m not sure that anyone could even pretend to write a balanced account, but have never put in the effort to find it or compare competing versions.

    Could Mr. Lawrence’s

    disgraces of the McCarthyist period

    be read in various ways, perhaps even consonant with what you’ve contributed?

    Practically anything given that much attention by Washington politicians and the Establishment press – at least these days – is a self-serving disgrace. I expect that back then, too, relatively innocent people on both “sides” were broken like balsa chairs over the heads of the fake Red+Blue wrestlers who went unscratched, and that the Establishment exploited the turmoil to suppress dissent and distract people from more important things.

    More broadly, on the basis of what I’ve seen, this author (and a couple others of late) are far more deserving of prominence here as Columnists than several of the incumbents. I hope and assume that Mr. Unz is striving to fulfill his mission statement.

  35. HT says:

    Very few things illustrate how our government is totally corrupt and completely out of control more than Ukraine. I’m not sure how anyone can believe a thing we are told by our government after seeing what it is doing in Ukraine. Every single narrative they create trying to justify more funding is based on lies and distortions.

  36. HT says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    They lie about democracy. To them democracy is a country full of conditioned propagandized idiots voting and allowing them to do whatever they want. The democracy the Founders created was only allowing white male property owners to vote. Universal voting by low IQ fools including blacks in a welfare state which is our system now is not really democracy or at least not the democracy we were promised.

  37. Avery says:
    @Notsofast

    {Emmanuel, are you planning to form Charlemagne Deux for the defence of Zelensky’s bunker?}

    A nice, hard-to-miss insult to the little Napoleon wannabe: adressing the little punk by his first name. Well done Maria Zakharova.

    The little punk should spend more time partying with his African boyfriends, instead of trying to provoke Russia. He may have forgotten that Russian Cossacks were watering their horses in the Seine (Paris) after wiping out Napoleons’s invading Grande Armée.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/macron-popularity-french-caribbean-obscene-gesture-photo-a8563216.html

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  38. @Alden

    McCarthy, like Hitler, was going after Communists and, like Hitler, found a jew under every Communist rock. McCarthy and Hitler weren’t attacked because they were wrong. They were attacked because they were right. Not much has changed. The jews have been running the same scam everywhere they are for years, maybe centuries. Only the faces on the chess pieces change. I cringe every time someone berates McCarthy.

  39. Megoy says:

    Way to run cover for the JEWS again!! No mention that the Jews themselves bragged about controlling the media BEFORE WW2 and used it to brainwash Americans into paying massive taxes to create the military industrial complex and also brainwashing them to wanting to fight WW2 for 5 years BEFORE Pearl Harbor! No mention of the “government” involved other than the JEWS who controlled FDR’s cabinet conspiring with their Jews in the media, Hollywood, and music industry! See: “How the Jews Defeated Hitler” by Benjamin Ginsberg.

    “Schwirtz”? You mean (((Schwartz)))? Oh the poor -Jew owned for the last 120+ years – New York Times! The poor victim of a Jew controlled government! Give me a fucking break! The “evils” of MCCarthyism who was absolutely RIGHT as communist Jews WERE controlling the media and Hollywood and using the US to crush the resistance (Germany) to the Jews world domination plan?

    Funny how the Jews are trying to confuse everyone about the history of Russia while omitting their leading role in their mass murder! Again, Jews proving that they cannot be allowed in ANY country but their little shithole in the Middle East as they kill, kill, kill.

    Promising is the apparent attempt of Tucker Carlson to push for the edJEWcation system to teach about communism! Unfortunately if the JEWS leading role is omitted it will be like pissing in the wind! Be hyper vigilant on the topic and make sure the JEWS get the FULL CREDIT they deserve for the biggest mass murder in world history!! Or will Carlson OMIT the Jews and fuck both himself and the world in the process? Stay tuned!

    https://floridapolitics.com/archives/661907-lawmakers-debate-tucker-carlson-as-senate-panel-passes-communism-in-schools-bill/

    • Thanks: annacat
  40. Emslander says:

    Interesting article, but I’m not sure he answers his basic questions:

    1. Why was this NYT report published?

    2. Who do they think they’re kidding?

    • Replies: @Passing by
    , @Dr. Rock
  41. Che Guava says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Good point, ‘Nazi intelligence group’, however, not so accurate. The Banderist ‘partisans’ kept making trouble well into the fifties. Who supported them, sure, the Company.

    Estonia had a similarly long history of anti-communist partisan actions, also well into the fifties, which is astounding given the size and population of the place. Again, it must have been driven by Company support, but while with the Ukraine, the flow of materiel must mainly have been through Austria, it is hard to work out for Estonia.

    The U.S.G. of now appears so busy having its own people invaded and sending massive amounts of money to the Ukraine and Israel that it is hard to imagine it as a U.S.G.

    I looked up Mayorkas on the W.W.W. tonight, all very secretive on his parents. His father it seems owned a small factory in Cuba, they left soon after the revolution. L.O.L., with no detail, except mother supposedly a ‘Holocaust survivor’.

    I think it’s a fake account, but there is nothing real on the backgrounds of his parents, except father owning a small factory in Cuba, and mother, with no evidence or even narrative.

    From his behavior, I would assume that his parents were some kind of communist apparatchiks before moving to Cuba. So the revolution didn’t suit his father’s factory? Who knows,

    A little like Merkel, I found a great site that had much detail on her history as an SED apparatchik, photos of her in uniform, and on podium with the leaders of DDR, but this is the second time I was trying to find it again, it seems that she (or people behind her) must have paid much money to have all of that eliminated.

    Did find a trace of one site that was likely the same one, but ‘Violation of terms of service’, so it is gone.

    Like Mayorkas, of course, she was very keen to have her land invaded. Unlike Mayorkas, a rootless cosmopolitan, Merkhin is German.

    • Thanks: El_Kabong
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  42. Emslander says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Democrat-run House Un-American Activities Committee

    McCarthy was in the Senate.

    HUAC (House) had done its work several years earlier when it exposed the communists at the highest levels of the Department of State. Alger Hiss was the Undersecretary of State who sat at FDR’s elbow at Yalta. He received the highest civilian award of the Soviet State for his help there to hand Central Europe to the USSR in the postwar period.

    McCarthy had a lot of information but managed to screw the whole thing up by making it all about him. HUAC did masterful work in the late 1940’s when the brilliant lawyer, Richard Nixon, went after Hiss. I will always believe that the impeachment of Nixon was payback for embarrassing the Communists in the USA.

  43. @Emslander

    Cf. Larry Johnson on sonar21 for answers to both questions.

    • Replies: @Zachary Smith
  44. El_Kabong says:
    @Emslander

    “McCarthy had a lot of information but managed to screw the whole thing up by making it all about him”

    Or, just maybe, he managed to GET screwed up by having Roy Cohn as his chief counsel. When I first learned about that years ago, I immediately realized the fix was in against McCarthy from the moment he started. His real screw-up was in not realizing who the prime movers were behind the entire Communist infiltration of our government, media/Hollywood et al.

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
  45. The CIA ie the zionist chain dogs , should be abolished, they are under zionist control just like the zionist ZUS regime and are leading America into a war with Russia that will destroy America and here in Montana , there are several hundred missile bases and so we are a ground zero in the event of a war with Russia.

    Zionists are destroyers of nations and humanity and they are proving it with their plans for a nuclear war with Russia and their genocide of the people of Palestine.

    • Replies: @toostupidbyhalf
  46. @Che Guava

    There is so much information that was readily accessible on the Internet that has disappeared or been buried under thousands of other pages.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  47. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    The Jew War against Russia… otherwise known as the Start of WW3.

    The Jews covet Russian Resources… easily 1/3 of the planet’s wealth in the ground.

    Breaking Russia up is their latest plan… easily ruled and enslaved and stolen from by the so-self-styled Chosen.

    Even Chuckie Phuck-U Schumer is in the act.

    Give Chuckie an Uzi with fixed Bayonet and let him liberate Mariupol and Crimea all by his lonesome.

  48. Good article Mr Patrick Lawrence, very readable. Not many have that gift of clarity. You should be a regular contributor for the UNZ Review.

  49. @Mulga mumblebrain

    Wonderful comment Mulga. I wanted to find a fault or two in your argument and read your comment more than once and couldn’t fault it. Bravo.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Thanks: Mulga mumblebrain
  50. Dr. Rock says:
    @Emslander

    To understand either, you must first understand the average Jew York Times reader and consumer of their “news”.

    1) They think they are smart, sophisticated, and well informed.

    2) They also, actually believe (laughably) that they are getting cutting edge journalism from the best and the brightest, giving them the highest levels of inside information, first rate analysis, and they think they are getting all of this from the flagship paper of record, for the United States, and it’s provided by the people that have the highest levels of access to White House, the three letter agencies, and all of the “serious policy makers”. (and they are partially correct about this)

    3) Because of #1 and #2, they constantly consume what they think is mainline intel, and do not give one second’s thought to “remembering” anything they have been told before! If “The Times” told them one thing yesterday, and now, it’s telling them another thing today, they just eat it up, and never consider asking themselves “why” there is a disparity between the two.

    This is all nearly impossible for people like us to understand, because we don’t default to the position that everything we are told, is 100% true, coming from people that are “in the know”, and eat it all up like it’s mana from heaven. THEY do!

    As an aside, our boy, Mr. Ron Unz, has written many, many times, about how he used to be one of them. He could probably do 5,000 words about how he lost his faith in The Times, and slowly came to realize that he was being fed a bunch of sculpted, CIA/deep state/intel services approved bullshit!

    All of the scripted and cultivated nonsense that appears in The Times, is dispensed to willing suckers, squawking like hungry baby ducks, craning upward to be fed their daily dose of state sponsored regurgitated inside intel mana.

    The Times readers think that they are getting the straight dope, right from the highest sources, and eat it like it’s Gold Standard TRUTH!

    Again, we can’t conceive of this reality, but it is theirs!

    And THAT’S why The Times prints the shit that it does.

    • Agree: annacat
    • Thanks: Emslander, 1jonny
  51. Dr. Rock says:
    @Alden

    “ América was just emerging from the disgrace of the McCarthy period”

    Yeah, this line bothered me too.

    I always marvel at the way that some people can be so “awake” about so many things, and yet, still be a believer in some of the most ridiculous tripe!

    Everyone that is truly aware, knows that McCarthy was not only 100% right, but that he didn’t go nearly far enough!

    Commies & Jews, and Communist Jews, are behind everything, just like Hitler and Henry Ford knew and said.

    We could use a new era of McCarthyism, really clean house!

  52. Anonymous[281] • Disclaimer says:

    I was not fooled by Ukraine at all – i was lucky in having Russian grandparents who lived in the pre WWI Ukraine area. They always spoke about Ukrainian corruption; how shoddy everything manufactured in Ukraine was and mostly about what lying Jews the Ukrainians were.
    America is the fool for defending Ukraine – the lesson will eventually be learned the hard way – the same way that America will have to learn about Israel.

  53. Richard B says:
    @Stripes Duncan

    Great comment Stripes. And well put. I particularly liked this:

    and we somehow are still the assholes.

    That’s because Supremacy Inc. is entirley scapegoat-dependent.

    The one bright spot here is that it provides their scapegoats with a unifying principle, to recognize that they are indeed Supremacy Inc.’s designated scapegoat.
    From there they can do three things.
    1. make sense of what has happened and continues to happén to them (call out the scapegoater)
    2. gain distance from their scapegoater (identify, then move away from, the scapegoat role)
    3. live in defiance of their rules (based order) and move into a larger freedom

    Stranger things have happened in history. And Supremacy Inc. is doing everything it can to make it happen now. Their scapegoats should seize the opportunity.

    But first things first.

  54. bjondo says:
    @RobinG

    I told Sergey Lavrov that the American people want a lasting peace with Russia. Russia supported America in 1776, the Civil War, mediated the War of 1812 & led the allied struggle against the Nazis. True Americans will always be grateful for Russia & her sacrifices.

    Hinkle being nice to judaized, Amurderkan people.

    Maybe four Americans know those bits of info?

    5ds

  55. Alden says:
    @ld

    Thanks for the news. I suspect that John’s Hopkins stopped doing trans surgery was b cause their insurance company told the hospital it would drop coverage because of malpractice lawsuits. That’s what will end trans mutilations. The malpractice insurance companies. The malpractice victims and their attorneys won’t get much money and compensation.

    But the insurance companies will crack down. Insurance companies have enormous power over worker safety building codes traffic laws and enforcement and medical malpractice. For instance building codes rigorously enforced codes have made fires so rare fire departments had to re invent themselves as ambulance services to justify their existence.

    All hail the malpractice lawyers and insurance companies.

    • Replies: @ld
  56. Richard B says:
    @Saggy

    Thanks Saggy for the two videos and quote.

    In the first minute of the video titled RABBIS ANTICIPATE THE DESTRUCTION OF CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST the rabbi gives us an excellent presentation of psychological projection and moral reversal. Of course, he thought he was doing something else.

    For anyone who might be interested, here’s JFK’s “Peace Speech” in full.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?153206-1/american-university-commencement-address

    • Replies: @Alden
  57. Agent76 says:

    Feb 23, 2024 Putin’s Big Statement After Biden’s ‘Nuclear War Fear’ Alert; ‘Nearly All Russian Nuke Forces Now…’

    Russian President Vladimir announced on February 23 that nearly all of Russian nuclear forces have modernised amid fears of nuclear conflict propagated by the west. “Today, the share of modern weapons and equipment in the strategic nuclear forces has already reached 95 percent, while the naval component of the ‘nuclear triad’ is at almost 100 percent,” Putin said on the eve of the second anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Putin’s remarks came after Biden raised fears of a nuclear conflict, while abusing the Russian President.


    Video Link

  58. tkc says:

    Long before the CIA existed, the “intelligence” community interfered with public affairs. Not just with the news but with literature, the arts, and even the so-called occult. We, the “people,” have no way of distinguishing truth from fiction. From cradle to grave, we (and our parents and grandparents, etc) have gone through never ending indoctrination. Most of us go to mandatory indoctrination camps as children and many of us study hard in college and graduate schools to absorb more indoctrination. The great 20th century philosopher P.T. Barnum told us “there’s a sucker born every minute.” Left unsaid, the more education/indoctrination one has absorbed the more likely to become a sucker.

  59. Alden says:
    @James J. O'Meara

    He’s a woke faggot commie liberal. You can always tell Gutenberg press mentioned Woke fwggots jump in Oh, but the superior Chinese had movie able type before Gutenberg. That true. But the Europeans also had moveable type centuries before Gutenberg.

    70 years later decades after the Verona files revealed that McCarthy was correct and the Jewish liberals were wrong every middle, high school and especially college American history book has chapters about evil McCarthy

  60. ld says:
    @Alden

    God Bless Lawyers lol
    I will shoulder to shoulder with anyone that sinks this crazy train

    thanks !

  61. Alden says:
    @Richard B

    John Fitzgerald Kennedy the first overtly anti White president of America. If you like affirmative action discrimination against White men you must likeKennedy .March 6 1961 Kennedy joyfully signed EO 10925 mandating affirmative action for negros

    Ever see the picture? There he was race traitor JFK surrounded by fat MLK and other negro men holding a pen to sign Americas first affirmative action law..

    His brother Robert was AG toured the country harassing Apprentice ship coordinators to accept negroes who couldn’t read or write or do simple math

    As AG with enthusiastic approval from race traitor JFK Robert used his AG office to file and enforce endless school bussing lawsuits,

    What’s wrong with zombie brain old White men they continue to worship the 3 Kennedy brothers who did so much harm to White men?

    • Troll: Richard B
    • Replies: @Richard B
    , @1jonny
  62. Notsofast says:
    @Avery

    he does seem to be dealing with a rather severe napoleon complex. i like to refer to him as little boots for that, as well as his caligula like personality, maybe he didn’t marry his sister but he did marry his grandmother. rumor has it he and zelensky plan to play a piano duet, of “i’m my own grandpa”. it will be billed as dueling, tiny pianists.


    Video Link

    • LOL: Avery
  63. @Emslander

    McCarthy was in the Senate.

    That was part of my point, as were the remarks about HUAC, which you repeat in other words. Look again.

  64. The Flour Massacre

    At least 104 Palestinians were killed and 760 others injured when Israeli forces shelled a crowd waiting for humanitarian aid south of Gaza City

    The United States media will do all kinds of twists getting Israel off of the hook for this!

    • Replies: @Mulga mumblebrain
  65. Derer says:

    Russians are fools for allowing these enemy visits, actually they are fools for allowing Zelensky freely walking the street, instead of make him restricted to a bunker in fear for his life. In addition, they allowed the supply channels of enemy weapons to be opened. Do not they know that removal of the head of the snake is the most effective way to victory, when everything else will collapse.

    The completion of the “special operation” would be much enhanced by changing the slow velvet treatment of the enemy.

    • Replies: @Mulga mumblebrain
  66. vinteuil says:

    They cannot afford to lose a war they cannot win…

    Perfect summation.

    The usual suspects can’t win in Ukraine, but they can’t afford to lose.

    Well, at any rate, they can’t afford to be seen to have lost.

  67. @Greta Handel

    Could Mr. Lawrence’s

    disgraces of the McCarthyist period

    be read in various ways, perhaps even consonant with what you’ve contributed?

    I thought that was a distinct possibility until I reached his essay’s last paragraphs, which seem to buy into the Narrative in full.

    I expect that back then, too, relatively innocent people on both “sides” were broken like balsa chairs over the heads of the fake Red+Blue wrestlers who went unscratched …

    In fact, I think that few, if any, innocent people were victimized. Recall that Jewish influence in Congress was far more limited back then. And with FDR’s administration and the film industry being chock full of highly placed agents and traitors, no one was especially interested in “the little guy.” There were perhaps as many as a hundred Hollywood producers, directors, and writers who got less work or temporarily lost jobs after their exposure as active Communists cooperating with Soviet activities. Not a single one of them starved, and many, famously including Dalton Trumbo, continued to live lavishly thanks to off-the-books work.

    On the other hand, the director Elia Kazan, one of only a few major figures who testified fully and frankly about the subversive Judeocommunist orientation and activity of the Hollywood crowd, was subsequently treated by the industry as a leper. Think of what Tinseltown’s Jews did to Mel Gibson decades later to understand what happened to Kazan.

    Many of the people in the FDR administration, including (((Harry Dexter White))) and VP Henry Wallace, who had been initially investigated by the HUAC commttee headed by Democratic Rep. Martin Dies were Soviet moles. Being literally treasonous, they deserved whatever obloquy they received. Sadly, in Wallace’s case, that was very, very little. He died twenty years later and was interred with obsequious memorial tributes from the Democratic Party establishment and the (((MSM))).

    In White’s case, the only repercussions came via his Maker: right after he perjuriously denied all charges in testimony to the committee, he suffered a massive heart attack. He died a few days later.

    • Troll: Mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Alden
  68. Derer says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Do you know where is Ukraine? It is and will remain Russian sphere of influence and minnow Sweden will not be able to change that.

  69. @Desert Fox

    I wonder if it has occurred to the Zionists that if they kill all the Palestinians, there will not be any reason for their enemies to refrain from nuking Israel…

  70. @Greta Handel

    … I’m not sure that anyone could even pretend to write a balanced account [of this murky episode of political history], but [I] have never put in the effort to find it or compare competing versions.

    To my knowledge, there is only one fair-minded assessment of McCarthy, his work, and that era: Blacklisted by History (2007), written by the late M. Stanton Evans. I recommend it without reservation. It would be terrific were Ron Unz to add it to his “forbidden books” collection here at the site.

    More broadly, on the basis of what I’ve seen, this author and a couple others of late are far more deserving of prominence here as Columnists than several of the incumbents.

    As I wrote above, “This is basically a good article.” I too shall look for Lawrence’s byline in the future.

    • Thanks: Greta Handel
    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  71. @Shably

  72. @Derer

    Come on! Zelensky is Russia’s not-so secret weapon. With him gone (the head of the rat, not snake) The Ukraine might find a sane, less coke-addled, replacement. As for ‘Frau Genocide’ Ursula et al, their incompetence is only matched by their malevolence.

  73. @cousin lucky

    It was a trap. An Israeli ‘aid convoy’ (one smells the Zionazi rat already)was allowed in to the future prime seaside property for Jews, and the starving ‘two-legged animals’ swarmed the bait, whereupon the ‘Gods Upon the Earth’ opened fire, because, like all those poor Jews in the UK, cowering in their homes because of protests against religiously sanctified genocide, they ‘felt threatened’. PURE EVIL, and the Zionazis plumb new depths of wickedness every day.

    • Agree: John Trout
    • Replies: @cousin lucky
  74. @Dr. Rock

    A great problem is that, if you dissent, from, say, the Western support for genocide in Gaza, the chances are that, if your audience is a ‘liberal’ fascist one, (what laughingly is called ‘the Left’ these days)you will be berated, and, eventually and inevitably, screamed at as an ‘antisemite’.
    If in ANY public position, even temporarily or incidentally, you will be slandered, silenced, socially isolated (‘Jew-hatred’ is infectious, after all) and, possibly, lose your job. The control in the West is TOTAL. The Swarm rules, OK?

  75. Richard B says:
    @Mulga mumblebrain

    Democracy in a capitalist state is IMPOSSIBLE. The two are entirely antithetical

    Talking about Democracy and the capitalist state is IMPOSSIBLE if one eliminates the interests of those doing the talking.

    FIFY

    Democracy and the capitalist state aren’t antithetical. They’re independent.

    And, like any two independent categories, they can go together. It just depends on how it’s done. But, above all, it depends on how one is defining the terms. And it is IMPOSSIBLE to talk about definitions without including the interests of the definers.

    The explanation for this can be found, not in any ideology, but in human behavior. And there are only two kinds, verbal and nonverbal, the former controlling the latter.

    That’s why whenever anyone gets into power they redefine the words that go into the explanations that organize our behavior. Put bluntly, those in power start telling everyone what to do after having changed the meanings of the words. And the meanings can be changed exactly because the meaning of a word is not in the word, it’s put there by human beings. In short, meaning is not immanent, it’s a mtter of convention.

    If the meaning of a word, or of anything, was immanent, there would be no variation in our interpretation of the world. Not even the pathological would vary. That’s why it’s IMPOSSIBLE to talk about anything without talking about the interests of the definers.

    The definers of Democracy, Capitalism, Communism, Zionism, Whites (or more pretentiously “Whiteness”), etc. etc. are going to give us interested definitions because they have no choice. That’s all any of us can do, generate interested definitions. Which is why meaning is not immanent, it’s a matter of convention. And conventions vary in their ability to respond more adequately to the world around us, ie; to reality.

    And that is the one bright spot in all of this. Because if the meaning of something is a matter of convention, then the fact that conventions can be changed for something better, is our only excuse for hope. It very well may be.

    But this, it will be remembered, depends on how one defines the terms and on how many people they can get to agree with them enough to make a difference. The readiness is all!

    • Thanks: 1jonny
    • Replies: @Mulga mumblebrain
  76. Gallatin says:

    Our media is fake……infiltrated by CIA feds.

    Our “hate groups” are also fake……started by, not merely infiltrated, but started by FBI Feds. They accept civilian recruits to use as patsies later.
    The Whitmer kidnapping plot was all Feds and 3 patsies. The Feds hosted parties in basements in Michigan where phony groups comprised COMPLETELY of Feds were introduced to the patsies who thought they had found a community of likeminded-individuals. I say the left groups like Antifa, and the right groups like Patriot Front and Blood Tribe are also Feds who are trying to recruit a few good patsies for furthering of narratives.

    One more thing, when Congrssman Kevin Boyle of Pennsylvania got drunk and had a recorded outburst recently at a Philly bar, he accused women there he was arguing with as being “Military spies”. He was drunk, so he was telling what he thought was the truth. He basically unknowingly admitted that the military brass is spying on and recording members of congress for obvious blackmail purposes. THIS is why the defense spending always goes up, up, and up. It’s why foreign commitments seem endless.

    • Thanks: 1jonny
  77. Alden says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Harry Weiss the communist Jew was assistant secretary treasury FDR administration In that capacity, using Soviet agents working in the Inited States Mint, and Crane paper mill he obtained a set of real authentic United States paper currency plates. And the exact formulas for the paper and inks to produce American dollar bills If they could have I’m sure they would have dismantled one of the printing presses and sent it to Russia. Except it would have been noticed.

    And sent them to Russia along with the other lend lease material.

    McCarthy was correct.This woke faggot liberal author just had to insert his sneer at McCarthy to prove his allegiance to woke faggot liberalism.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  78. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    If he’s walking around wearing the wrong sex uniform based on his delusions, why should anyone believe that he’s just an E-4 wrongly wearing O-5 rank.

  79. Richard B says:
    @Alden

    Found the JIDF Troll, again.

    Every once in a while you’ll say something sensible Alden. But over all, it’s impossible not to come to the conclusion that, actually, yeah, you’re a JIDF Troll.

    This would explain why focusing your comment entirely on JFK and RFK only succeeded in exposing your fake concern for Whites and your real concern of running interference for the Rabbis, then and now, who have been telling our Presidents what to do. It also explains why, in spite of your “concern”, you made no mention of the fact that when both JFK and RFK refused to do what they were told the Rabbis, well, you know.

    What’s wrong with zombie brain JIDF Trolls who continue to cover for Jewish Supremacists who have done and continue to so much harm to White men?

    That’s rhetorical quesiton, of course. We already know the answer.
    It’s just fun to throw the question back at you, in its correct form.
    The good news is, you’ve been exposed as a JIDF Troll, again.

    • Replies: @Alden
  80. @Passing by

    https://sonar21.com/ny-times-plays-cia-messenger-turn-off-the-lights-the-party-is-over/

    Mr. Johnson does a pretty good job of pointing out both the lies and the omissions of the crappy NYT article.

  81. Derer says:
    @Shably

    The US was not a gigantic mistake, but to let Freud’s brethren assume the power was. It started with the DNC infiltration. Unfortunately, finances and media being in the hand of the same brethren, many simpleminded are easily fooled into supporting that nomadic sect. Now having appetite for Ukraine using WASP.

  82. @Alden

    McCarthy was correct.

    Agreed.

    This woke faggot liberal author just had to insert his sneer at McCarthy to prove his allegiance to woke faggot liberalism.

    Perhaps that’s also why Mulga called me a troll!

    • Troll: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Mulga mumblebrain
  83. Alden says:
    @Richard B

    Another boomer zombie whose skull was opened at birth and a Kennedy worship chip was inserted.

    The 3 Kennedy brothers affirmative action civil rights for all but Whites unlimited affirmative action entitled non White immigration more affirmative action and school desegregation and school bussing.

    The Kennedy president was no worse than race traitors Eisenhower Johnson Nixon Carter and Regean.

    Between the Kennedy president and the two senators they managed to knock White men down the caste ladder to the absolute bottom slot in 7 years 1961 to 1968.
    Affirmative action civil rights for all but Whites unlimited immigration for non Whites entitled to affirmative action black riots in every city de facto legalization of black on White crime black riots that destroyed vast sections of our great cities rise of the black panthers and black Muslim serial killers of Whites destruction of entire school districts via school desegregation ordered by .Robert Kennedy in his capacity as AG you don’t know what the AG is So I’ll explain it chief law enforcement officer of the entire country

    Domestically the 3 Kennedys did everything the communist Jews ordered them to do. If you can’t see that then you’re as anti White as the Jews. And a zombie who can’t even observe and think

    Old French proverb. Don’t listen to what he SAYS. Listed to what he DOES

    All this aided abetted and loudly encouraged by President and Senators Kennedy. They were as much pro black anti White activists as Johnson and Obama.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  84. https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/investigative-reports/ukraine-and-the-new-al-qaeda/

  85. @Mulga mumblebrain

    It appears that the Zionists want to achieve the greatest mass hatred that humanity has ever had for any one group of humans. Sane people do not force everybody else to eventually exterminate them!

    • Replies: @Mulga mumblebrain
  86. 1jonny says:
    @Notsofast

    Whoa, she is kind of hot in an intelligent way. I see what you see in her. Not my type, exactly, but yeah.

  87. 1jonny says:
    @Mulga mumblebrain

    Then consider the electorate, 50% by definition of below median intelligence, most utterly indifferent to human affairs,….

    ..has me despairing.

  88. Durruti says:

    Preview YouTube video REVEALED: NYT Writer Outed As IDF PROPAGANDIST

  89. Butt-Tucker is getting sillier and sillier



    Video Link

  90. anon[855] • Disclaimer says:
    @Exalted Cyclops

    Considering the odor that is emanating from that piece, it does not take much of an imagination to figure out from which end they were force fed.

    It also does not leave much doubt as to the amount of choice that they might have had.

  91. niceland says:

    So on the surface is seems Ukraine has great intelligence service working closely with the almighty CIA. The latter with dozen of high tech bunkers close to the Russian borders, and knows what Putin has for breakfast every morning.

    Yet the NYT beats them both in the intelligence arena by spilling all the beans about CIA operations in Ukraine in this very exciting article. ( Zelensky should fire the SBU commandos and hire these two NYT reporters and win the war)

    Still none of them have figured out who blew up the Nord Stream Pipelines it’s still a mystery.

    I am glad I am not in the very complex intelligence business.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  92. Richard B says:
    @Alden

    Thanks for proving my point, again.

    Like I said, you’ve been exposed as a JIDF Troll. You’re days here are probably numbered as more and more commenters begin to see through your whole schtick.

  93. @Pierre de Craon

    People should skip this comment unless they’re interested in the “McCarthyism” discussion.

    [MORE]
    On many controversial topics, Wikipedia (like NPR) is more informative in revealing which ideas the Establishment wishes to sell and to suppress. The entry on Blacklisted by History awkwardly begins by using “premise” to describe Mr. Evans’ thesis, but then collects less grudgingly than I had expected several reviews of the book, all of which indicate that, as you said, he thoroughly documented his assertions.

    The quotation from Ronald Rodash’s review resonated with my concerns about free speech and political grandstanding in that Rodash said that Evans gave McCarthy a pass for going after his critics as though they, too, were spies. Unfortunately, there’s a [Citation needed] for the Rodash review and I couldn’t readily find it myself.

    Again, thanks for the recommendation. I know that this has been tangential to the topic of this thread, but understanding “McCarthyism” and how it’s used as both a technique and a scareword is very important these days.

  94. Che Guava says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Very true. Merkhin was, from background, some kind of strange Manchurian candidate, but the evidence has largely vanished or is now impossible to find.

    The Internet explosion itself also created a discontinuity which some things crossed, some didn’t. Some that did cross are, on the ‘net, just a narrative full of lies.

    Most obviously seen in literature, popular music, and film, but of couse in politics and other areas, too.

  95. 1jonny says:
    @Alden

    I don’t mind having applied a modicum of affirmative action policies for black people, at some point in our histories. Blacks, for a complex of reasons, got left behind or marginalized in the general affluential growth of the US. Eventually, resentment, a why-should-we-give-a-s*** attitude is bound to develop in such a marginalized population, as to a dangerous extent it seems to have done. It is only, ultimately, in white’s self interest to do something to ameliorate that situation, and help spread the prosperity to the black population. After all, as they’ve been making a huge deal of in the past few years, they’ve been here in this country as long as we have.

    Affirmative action is one possible tool for handling that situation. Ideally, it could help to bring blacks, in general, into the middle class productive population. As a tool, however, as with most tools, it can be dangerous if not applied carefully and with discretion. If it’s just thrown into the mix and not paid close attention to it can cause more harm than good. It can cause resentment among those not included. It can encourage a sense of entitlement among those for whom it’s intended, turning a why-should-we-give-a-s*** attitude into a quite similar why-should-we-apply-ourselves-in-school-or-at-work?-These-good-scholarships, jobs, etc.- are all-supposed-to-be-ours-regardless, equally destructive attitude. I haven’t studied, but in many instances that’s what it seems to have accomplished.

    I think, again, the problem is how carelessly and loosely it’s been applied. It’s been applied, again, more as entitlement. Blacks are to get AA advantages and otherwise forget about it. Or actually, the even easier applied and more destructive, everyone but whites get AA, that’s it, permanent! In this case, yes, it would have been better off to have never applied it. It’s much better to never pick up the Skilsaw than to pin the guard back and sling it around recklessly.

    That’s all I have for now on the subject. Some, like RoatanBill(?) would probably say the government is incapable of using a tool with the kind of nuance necessary. I don’t know about all that. But I do think the blacks, at least, have been here since the beginning, and I’d really like to see them have better than they do, and that AA, in principle, probably could have helped.

  96. @Greta Handel

    … Radosh said that Evans gave McCarthy a pass for going after his critics as though they, too, were spies.

    Very largely true. It would also be fair to say, however, that in response to constantly having his ideas and actions misrepresented and his character slandered and vilified, McCarthy seldom replied by calmly saying, “My critics surely mean well but seem to be misinformed.” [wink]

    In other words, though it is true that McCarthy frequently called his critics commies or fellow travelers without providing supporting documentation, in retrospect it is easy to see that he did very few of them an actual injustice. Nor do I think that his foes would have been any less vituperative had McCarthy answered them with the disarming wit characteristic of, say, Eugene McCarthy.

    If you haven’t already done so, you might take a look at Wikipedia’s bio of Radosh (so spelt, incidentally). He’s Jewish, of course, but he has also had one heck of a past (he’s still alive, too). Murray Rothbard and Lew Rockwell both knew him and liked him personally and frequently recommended his book Prophets on the Right,* which was written during the ten- or fifteen-year period when he was very close to those who are now often called paleocons. I think it was Rothbard who said that Radosh’s political outlook never stayed in one place for more than a few weeks at a time.
    __________
    *As do I, so long as the reader keeps the author’s background in mind. An observant thinker, Radosh writes thoughtfully and forcefully.

    • Thanks: Greta Handel
  97. @niceland

    Meanwhile, nobody notices MI6 running the show.

    • LOL: niceland
  98. BlackFlag says:
    @Saggy

    How do we know these Orthodox have or represent real power rather than the kooky religious beliefs of people like the Christian Evangelicals who are totally out of the loop?

  99. BlackFlag says:
    @Dr. Rock

    This is all nearly impossible for people like us to understand, because we don’t default to the position that everything we are told, is 100% true, coming from people that are “in the know”, and eat it all up like it’s mana from heaven. THEY do!

    It’s bleaker than that. The readers don’t care if the stories are even 0% true, they know that they come from people with power, and they eat it up cause they know that these are the beliefs and attitudes that are safe and that will help them advance.

  100. @cousin lucky

    Which is precisely why I fear for humanity. The Zionazis spent years researching ‘ethnically specific’ bio-weapons with their South African apartheid friends. And they maintain a vast bio-warfare establishment, even today. If you can study ethnic specificity for susceptibility, you can study it for immunity, too. After all, it’s a ‘Jew-hating world’ full of goyim just itching to re-open Auschwitz.

  101. @Pierre de Craon

    You’re ALL bloody trolls as far as I’m concerned-and fuck of from under MY bridge!

    • Troll: Pierre de Craon
  102. @Richard B

    Confucius was much concerned with the ‘rectification of names’. I suppose capitalism and democracy could co-exist, in some dream-world, if equality of market power, ie gelt, was assured. No? Not possible? I euthanise my case.

  103. @Greta Handel

    Greta,

    I have come to the conclusion that Wikipedia, like ALL of the so-called “fact-checker” websites, will NOT say anything that is detrimental to the powers that be – in the controversial matters. I believe that they, like all of the mainstream media, are CIA-controlled.

    Thank you.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  104. @Brad Anbro

    Someone else a while back in a very well put comment I’m now unable to retrieve observed that the greater the perceived threat, the more likely these Establishment sources will toss in words like “debunked,” “conspiracy theory,” “baseless,” “unsubstantiated,” etc when they have to acknowledge dissenting views. But for every midwit scared away from further inquiry and critical thought, how many these days will smell the fear and keep going?

    The crumbling credibility of the mainstream media probably explains the ramping up of anti-BDS and “hate speech” laws, summary executions on social media, and the other increased censorship. People losing their grip usually try to tighten it.

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