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Over the weekend, President Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency head Elon Musk made quite a stir with just two words posted on his social media platform, X. Responding to a post that, “It’s time to leave NATO and the UN,” Musk replied, “I agree.” The comment immediately made the rounds on social media and also on mainstream and alternative media.

Was this the Elon Musk who owns X speaking, or was it the Elon Musk who has become one of President Trump’s closest advisors? Does it even matter? Having someone so close to the US president who advocates finally extracting the US from these international organizations is a significant and very positive shift for the United States.

With the truth coming out about how USAID has been working against US interests for decades, the disinfectant of public scrutiny is now turning to our membership in – and generous funding of – international organizations like NATO and the United Nations.

I have long advocated our exit from NATO. At the end of the Cold War, with its very reason for existence gone, NATO decided to look for other ways of stirring up trouble. First NATO involved itself in the first Gulf War and then it decided its mission should be to bomb Serbia to smithereens – in the name of “human rights.” I agree with the late Sen. Robert Taft, who argued at the time NATO was formed that we should not join the “Atlantic Alliance.”

It has become much clearer these past few months just how far NATO has shifted away from US interests. Even though the United States funds a whopping 70 percent of NATO’s cost, our own NATO “allies” are working against the United States as President Trump attempts to pull us back from the brink of war with Russia.

A simple telephone call between Presidents Trump and Putin was met with hysteria among NATO member countries, and Just as US and Russian high-level delegations were meeting in Saudi Arabia to look for way to walk back from a war footing, our “allies” decided to hold their own summit in opposition to the US move. In Paris our “partners” pledged to continue their failed Ukraine policy and to ridicule the United States for looking to try something different.

To add insult to injury, right at the center of the table in Paris was none other than the Secretary General of NATO himself, former Dutch politician Mark Rutte! The message was very clear: “we are working against you – we push war while you push peace – but you must keep footing the bill.”

Also over the weekend Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Rep Thomas Massie (R-KY) echoed Elon Musk’s sentiment, with Sen. Lee posting a chart showing the wildly disproportionate amount of US taxpayer dollars that go to funding NATO with the statement, “Get us out of NATO.” Rep. Massie added to Lee’s comment, “N ATO is a Cold War relic that needs to be relegated to a talking kiosk at the Smithsonian.”

As in the time of Sen. Robert Taft, the sentiment against NATO membership is coming from the conservative end of the US political spectrum. With President Trump’s clear mandate to pursue his “America first” agenda we have the best opportunity in decades to sever our damaging and expensive entangling alliances across the globe. Let’s start with NATO!

(Republished from The Ron Paul Institute by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. zonoy says:

    nato should have been ended the day the berlin wall fell.

  2. Chaskinns says:

    NATO is simply a US war monger agency. A complete waste like most usians

  3. Currahee says:

    Booting the UN: bad for NYC restaurant biz., good for USA.

  4. Germany and Britain and now dictatorships. Why is American supporting them? We need to pull our troops out now!

  5. meamjojo says:

    Shouldn’t Musk be concentrating on his DOGE work and not US foreign policy? Unless he slipped up here and REALLY has bought the Presidency from Trump.

  6. Bro43rd says:

    Amen! F the union. Secession & decentralization.

  7. If I were Trump I would announce immediate closure of all but the most pivotal bases in Europe.

    Europe have shown what ungrateful allies they are, I thought the U.S was the driving force in the Ukraine war, maybe under Biden it was but the Europeans were right on board especially Britain.

    Trump should dump that nest of European vipers, they will be at each others throats in no time, it’s all friends now in project Ukraine but they will turn on each other.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  8. HT says:

    NATO is countries run by globalists who are destroying their own countries with immigration and they want to do the same to Russia. Probably too late to change America’s fate but I would still get out of it.

  9. Jokem says:
    @Mr_Chow-l_Mein

    In an age when technology has made it possible for wars to be over in minutes, open societies need to stick together. I do think the USA has born the lion’s share of the costs for NATO, and the rest of Europe needs to chip in more.

  10. @HT

    I thought the Chosen were the ones behind all the mass immigration. And for Trump to say “America first” sorry asshole but donating all that money to izzy over there in the M.E. while you still got millions of homeless people in America is not “America First.” Trump is full of shit.

    • Thanks: Son of a Jedi
    • Replies: @HT
  11. Rich says:

    I wonder if Europe would be getting terrorized by Arabs and Africans right now if the US had stayed out of the European War of the 30s and 40s? Would probably be a pleasant place to visit. Staying after the War ended was just a money making scam.

  12. Voltarde says:

    NATO is a self-contradicting absurdity. Buchanan was right: it’s a conveyor belt to war.

    1) It’s an example of the quip that “the only evidence of eternal life in this world is a government program.” NATO is a set of teats for otherwise unemployable parasites in the MIC and the “national security” mafia to suck on.

    2) By it’s eastward expansion after the fall of the USSR, NATO created the so-called “threat” that it now claims to justify its existence. As previously noted by the first commenter, NATO should have gone out of business when the Warsaw Pact dissolved in the early 1990s.

    3) NATO emboldens “the tail wagging the dog” by member countries (or political factions therein) and quasi-member entities like “Kosovo” that are either: (a) pipsqueak (the Baltics, “Kosovo”); (b) irredeemably corrupt (Albania, “Kosovo”, the Kiev regime); (c) hopelessly enamored of centuries-old hatreds of their neighbors (Albania, “Kosovo”, the Kiev regime, the Baltics, Finland, and Poland); or (d) all of the above.

    4) NATO is a nation-wrecker–and an EU-destroying, third-world refugee manufacturing abomination. The worst example was Libya. There was absolutely no accountability for that catastrophe. Libya isn’t even near the “North Atlantic” (nor is the Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia, “Kosovo”, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, or Lebanon).

    5) Most NATO member countries either acquiesce to, or actively support, the genocidal rampages of Zionist psychopaths and their crimes against humanity in Gaza, the West Bank, Syria, and Lebanon–and will likely actively support a war against Iran.

    6) NATO member countries (or political factions therein) are often at war with each other and with their own country’s domestic economic self-interest, or plotting the same. One or more NATO countries destroyed the NordStream gas pipeline(s) in the Baltic, an economic disaster for the German economy, which is the powerhouse of the EU economy. NATO countries have acquiesced to the decisions of Poland and the Kiev regime to block the transit of gas from Russia and Central Asian countries through Eastern Europe, and the recent (and likely ongoing) attempts by the Kiev regime to destroy the TurkStream gas pipeline’s pumping station–all of which are economic disasters for the citizens of the EU and Turkey. And what about the proposed annexation of Canada and Greenland by the U.S.?

    • Agree: John Trout
  13. The USA should have left NATO long ago, but the largely Jewish foreign policy establishment and the military industrial complex do not wish this.

    • Agree: HT
  14. @Redpill Boomer

    Virtually nothing the US military does has anything to do with actually defending America.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  15. Protogonus says: • Website

    Does it make sense that the Talmudic Monster–which created NATO as its military arm and the EU as its political arm to keep the chief nation of Europe (Germany) well tamped down–would suddenly decide to abandon formerly useful tools? Besides, Germany certainly shows no signs of resuming the effective monarchy it was forced to abandon in 1918 at the demand of the Hebrews.

    Therefore, there is a larger geopolitical picture in which today’s surprising events make perfect sense to the Hebrews, whose goal for 3,000 years has been enslavement of the goyim (that’s YOU, Jack!) as a rule or annihilating them when feasible (“kill the best of them”). Russian dependence on China is no strength and in some ways is helpful to the Hebrews, who influence all central banks including China’s.

    For a Hebrew checkmate in the Great Game they need only to (1) bring Moscow back to the fold of compliant materialism and churchlessness and (2) extirpate the Islamic Revolution of 1979. The wily crypto-Hebrew Trump (plus the American Zionist Empire) can fairly easily arrange the needed force, economic pressure, and death (as in Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria) to accomplish both goals.

    For a long view of the Hebrews organized as the satanic Talmudic Monster, we invite readers to consult the following concise history:

    https://www.academia.edu/122647432/Moses_the_Sorcerer_Meta_Analysis_

    Note that to view the article, simply SCROLL DOWN; no sign-in is necessary.

    • Replies: @Protogonus
  16. HT says:
    @NobodyImportant

    I thought the Chosen were the ones behind all the mass immigration.

    I think it is true that organized jewry is the most important factor in destroying the White demographics in Western countries. Who do you think has the most influence in America’s demise through immigration?

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
  17. Palmm says:

    I concur, but I do not agree in principle. I agree NATO is fake and gay, without the US, really gay, it’s odd. But I disagree there is no need for European Unity, and some imperial structure for that. Same issue with the EU, it’s a subversion operation, but there needs to be a Union of European Nations.

  18. aletheia says:
    @Redpill Boomer

    Germany hasn`t been free since ww2.
    There are peace treaties for italy and japan, not for germany.
    The militaries from the US, UK and france are still in germany.
    If i understand it right all points of the hague, geneva and UN genocide convention were and still are ignored in regards to germany and the german people.

    The following is from the german basic law. A Substitute for a constitution. Is was put in place by the US after ww2. That`s what Carlo Schmid said and he was there.

    GG Art. 120 (shortened and translated by me, germany is still paying for US bases in germany, to my understanding on the basis of this)
    Der Bund trägt die Aufwendungen für Besatzungskosten und die sonstigen inneren und äußeren Kriegsfolgelasten nach näherer Bestimmung von Bundesgesetzen …
    GG Article 120
    Occupation costs – The federal government bears the expenses for occupation costs and the other internal and external consequences of the war in accordance with the detailed provisions of federal law…

    Art. 139
    Die zur “Befreiung des deutschen Volkes vom Nationalsozialismus und Militarismus” erlassenen Rechtsvorschriften werden von den Bestimmungen dieses Grundgesetzes nicht berührt.
    Article. 139
    The legal regulations issued for the “liberation of the German people from National Socialism and militarism” are not affected by the provisions of this Basic Law.

    Art. 146
    [24. Mai 1949]
    Dieses Grundgesetz verliert seine Gültigkeit an dem Tage, an dem eine Verfassung in Kraft tritt, die von dem deutschen Volke in freier Entscheidung beschlossen worden ist.
    Autotranslate: This Basic Law loses its validity on the day on which a constitution that was freely decided by the German people comes into force.
    [29. September 1990]
    Dieses Grundgesetz, das nach Vollendung der Einheit und Freiheit Deutschlands für das gesamte deutsche Volk gilt, verliert seine Gültigkeit an dem Tage, an dem eine Verfassung in Kraft tritt, die von dem deutschen Volke in freier Entscheidung beschlossen worden ist.
    Autotransate: This Basic Law, which applies to the entire German people after the unity and freedom of Germany has been completed, loses its validity on the day on which a constitution that has been freely decided by the German people comes into force.

    The german people isn`t free and hasn`t been united. Even history hasn`t been cleaned up and that`s on purpose. Free without knowledge and acnowledgement what happened, without freedom of speech, with ongoing costs, propaganda and indoctrination?
    France, which has still soldiers in germans still maintains that the germans and not sowjets did Katyn, even though russia says so and i think ALL other countries have revised their stance.
    What are the official events around Nord Stream? Trump and Biden both have spoken about it.
    I wonder why Trump hasn`t publicly adressed this and the assasination attempts against im.
    Mass migration post ww2 frame started 1954. 1955 is the year when the last normal prisoners of war came home. Those coming to germany are mostly from countries who had declared war on germany. Among the first were italians (not ethnic german italians). Thats the same italy that switched sides in ww2, has gaines territory after ww2 and has enacted policies in italy to make the ethnic german areas less german.
    Btw the hate speech laws in germany are also there to benefit the US, UK, french and others presence in germany. The US army in germany today is the same US army that has to my understanding has ethnically cleansed the town one of my grandparents was from. There are words for this. Saying this words about germans is ok. Saying them in regards to others/what has been done to germans brings legal trouble.

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante, HdC
  19. Protogonus says: • Website
    @Protogonus

    Russian analysts online today (reported by the ‘Military Summary Channel in Belarus’) say that what Trump’s current Ukraine gambit amounts to is “trading Ukraine for Iran.” What did we say above?

    If Putin & Co. do indeed betray Tehran to win against Kiev, the U.S. Zionist Empire will be able to seize the Strait of Hormuz and control much of the Chinese energy supply.

    Thereupon, the Hebrew aggression against post-Soviet Russia–which began with Moscow’s arrest of admitted Rothschild shill Mikhail Khodorkovsky ca. 2003–will resume.

    Geopolitical checkmate by the Hebrew Talmudic Monster is in sight based on current events.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  20. @Protogonus

    Protagonist writes:

    If Putin & Co. do indeed betray Tehran to win against Kiev, the U.S. Zionist Empire will be able to seize the Strait of Hormuz and control much of the Chinese energy supply.

    I suggest you don’t lose sleep over that. There is NO WAY the U.S will be seizing the Strait of Hormuz short of committing the entirety of its military capabilities (and suffering casualties that would dwarf anything they encountered in Vietnam).

    In a nutshell, the U.S conducted a war game in 2002 called Millennium Challenge, as to what the outcome would be if America approached Iran with a carrier group.
    This was the outcome (click in the link below and read the article titled ‘In 2002, the Pentagon conducted $250 million Millennium Challenge war game to demonstrate “ease” of defeating Iran – and LOST’):
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-11-20-pentagon-millennium-challenge-war-game-iran-2002.html

    This excerpt is from the article:

    Boasting more than 13,500 participants, the U.S. government spent a whopping $250 million to conduct the war game, which pitted Iran against the U.S. military. Paul Van Riper, a three-star general and 41-year veteran of the Marine Corps led Iranian forces in the war game, his job being to take on the full force of the U.S. military.

    Within mere minutes, Van Riper, the fictitious head of Iran’s military, emerged victorious over the U.S. military. Even though his opponent was assumed to be “superior,” the Iranian war methods depicted sunk all 19 ships.
    Had this occurred in real life, 20,000 U.S. sailors and marines would have died.

    Millennium Challenge 2002 ended up being a complete disaster and embarrassment for the Pentagon, which effectively wasted one-quarter of a billion U.S. tax dollars on a simulated melee in which Iran ended up winning and the U.S. ended up losing.

    Summary: This outcome for ships lost/sailors dead would not have played out over days or weeks.
    The entirety of the U.S carrier battle group would’ve been at the bottom of the sea within 10-15 minutes.

    Of course that was the state of affairs in 2002. Today, Iran has moved forward in leaps and bounds with its military technology, both quantitatively and especially qualitatively.
    It now possesses hypersonic missile technology – which the U.S is yet to develop.

    Any naval attack on Iran will end in a bloodbath for the Anglo-Zionist empire.
    A land based attack, complemented with air attack, will scarcely do any better.
    If the U.S (and the Apartheid Israeli state), is ever stupid enough to attack Iran, it will result in a world of hurt for the two core constituents of the ‘Axis of Evil’.

    As for your assertion that Russia may ‘betray’ Iran, click on the link below about the comprehensive Defence deal negotiated between the two nations only a few months ago:
    https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/11/24/737810/Russia-Iran-comprehensive-deal-defense-security

    The fact is that Iran, all by itself, is more than capable of shredding up any combined U.S/Apartheid Israel attacking force launched against it.
    But with the backing of Russia, Iran will be virtually unassailable.

    • Replies: @Jokem
    , @NobodyImportant
  21. Jokem says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    As for your assertion that Russia may ‘betray’ Iran, click on the link below about the comprehensive Defence deal negotiated between the two nations only a few months ago:
    https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/11/24/737810/Russia-Iran-comprehensive-deal-defense-security

    The fact is that Iran, all by itself, is more than capable of shredding up any combined U.S/Apartheid Israel attacking force launched against it.
    But with the backing of Russia, Iran will be virtually unassailable.

    Russia will not abide by any treaty when it no longer favors them.

    The idea that Iran could stand up against any US force, with or without support from other factions is absurd.

    Iran would not last a week, as long as US forces are given permission to win.

    This is simply Soviet propaganda by way of Tooth…

    • LOL: HdC
  22. Mark G. says:

    The main purpose of NATO was to be a anti-Russia alliance. This alliance had a purpose when Marxists hostile to the West ruled the country but, as Ron Paul says, the reason for it ceased to exist after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    There was no Ron Paul running in the 1992 Republican primaries, but Pat Buchanan was and he pointed this out at the time. Pat largely ran against what Steve Sailer has called “invade the world, invite the world, in hock to the world”. Steve himself has moved away from supporting this Buchananite position with his support of our proxy war against Russia in the Ukraine but Trump has now picked it up.

    Trump succeeded in winning where Buchanan failed because the neocon project to make America the global hegemon was doomed to failure and this failure is now obvious.

  23. @Mark G.

    The main purpose of NATO was to be a anti-Russia alliance.

    No, the purported purpose of NATO was to be an anti-Russia alliance. That’s still the hot air being blown into a leaking narrative balloon*, but the main purpose was and remains control over Uncle Sam’s “ allies,” with substantial, secondary benefits to the Big War subsidiary and Russophobic elements of the Establishment.

    ——

    * If you doubt that, tune into an NPR “news” program for an hour.

  24. Jokem says:
    @Mark G.

    The main purpose of NATO was to be a anti-Russia alliance. This alliance had a purpose when Marxists hostile to the West ruled the country but, as Ron Paul says, the reason for it ceased to exist after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    There are still Marxists hostile to the West. Vlad Putin is one of the Bolsheviks in the model of Josef Stalin. The only difference is the Soviet Union has shrunk to just include Russia.

    • Replies: @HT
  25. Dr. Rock says:

    Either way, NATO is dead.

    Why?

    Because Europe is in chaos, as individual countries, and as an alliance, so both the EU and NATO are done for, whether the US stays in NATO or not.

    I also think the UN is breathing it’s death rattle, because everyone knows it’s a joke!

    NATO turned all the European countries into a bunch of ideological and military cripples. The EU also turned them into Authoritarians or Stooges.

    It’s over, it’s just a matter of time.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  26. The US are levying a de facto 3% tax on every transaction denominated
    in dollar – without that revenue they´d have been Little Britainized a long time
    ago; so how can anyone believe they would be willing to give up control over
    their collateral? Does anyone believe they bombed Germany and Austria and
    started a war with Russia for nothing?
    And the Orange One is not going to turn over any leaf – in fact he was the first one
    to openly threaten Nord Stream.

  27. @Mark G.

    The main purpose of NATO was to be a anti-Russia USSR alliance.

    FIFY. I wasn’t trying to be snarky, Mark. This is for those that continue to equate Russia with The USSR, cause, I mean it’s only been 3 1/2 decades. Why they continue to either be confused on this or pretend to be confused is another question.

    I agree with you that Buchanan would have been great. He is a thinking man more than a showman, unlike Trump, but it seems the latter works better in America, so whaddya’ do? Speaking of Steve Sailer, he did take this NeoCon position on the Ukraine War, but to be fair, he didn’t really push it much after a few months, IIRC.

    Re your last paragraph, I don’t know. I think that the Globalist/Communist types may have taken this place – they still may – had it not been for Trump, not just the man, but that there are 1/2 the Americans out here that support his program wholeheartedly. That has got to scare the Bejesus out of Globalists everywhere.

    Peak Stupidity will have a post up later today on the differences between America’s and (mostly Western) Europes’ ability to beat off the Globalists.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    , @Mark G.
  28. @Dr. Rock

    I sure hope you’re right, Dr. Rock.

    The John Birch Society has been saying “Get us out of the UN and get the UN out of the US!” since the 1950s. Why not join up, Dr. Rock? (errr, the JBS, not the UN, that is) I should have 30 years earlier.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @Dr. Rock
  29. @anonymouseperson

    Agreed, … until last month.

    I’m not gonna “Clap for our service men and woman” or “Thank you for your service”. I sit on my hands and don’t say a word… that is, unless I’m asked why, upon which I’ll let them all know that none of these people is defending our country against anything.

    “Send them to Texas. I’ll clap when they’re on their way back.”

  30. @Achmed E. Newman

    Speaking of Steve Sailer, he did take this NeoCon position on the Ukraine War ….

    Does that surprise you?
    After all, Steve Sailer is KNOWN to be as thick as thieves with the Malignant Jews that control the narrative. He’s affiliated with the ADL or equivalent, and goes out of his way to muzzle those that speak the truth about the Holohoax and about all manner of Jewish depravity.

    Steve Sailer is a whore in the service of the small hats. Anyone that pays heed to anything he says, that reads his posts and participates with comments in his threads, is aiding and abetting this piece of shit.
    Achmed, I hope you’re not stooping to those depths and having anything to do with him.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Jokem
  31. Mark G. says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “to be fair, he didn’t really push it much after a few months”

    I agree Steve Sailer pretty much dropped supporting the proxy war against Russia in the Ukraine after the first several months of the war. He also did not talk about various other aspects of our foreign policy much recently, like our providing assistance to Israel. If you want to read a consistent defense of a noninterventionist foreign policy, Ron Paul is the best rather than Steve.

    Steve was against the Iraq war and coined the phrase “invade the world, invite the world, in hock to the world” to describe the policy of the Washington uniparty so it is a little disappointing he has not continued in this vein. I have always considered him worth reading, though, and considered him to have the best comment section here at the Unz Review. Now that he has mostly switched over to his Substack, I hope he makes a lot of money to fund his future retirement.

    I look at Steve’s Substack. My favorite Substack, though, is the one by David Stockman. Stockman, much like Ron Paul, is a consistent opponent of the welfare-warfare state. I also like Scott Greer’s Substack. Greer did the best review of Steve’s Noticing book. He said he likes Steve’s Citizenism but even better is supporting turning this country into the one envisioned by the Founders.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  32. @Achmed E. Newman

    The UN was carefully crafted from the Atlantic Charta as a tool to perpetuate
    the Western Allies´rule of the world; so what is the JBS´gripe about it,
    “We could be ruling Mars by now”?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  33. @Mark G.

    I have always considered him [Steve ‘The ZOG lackey’ Sailer] worth reading, though, and considered him to have the best comment section here at the Unz Review.

    You’re shittin’ me right? Is it April 1st already?

    Sailer’s threads almost always deal with frivolous fluff.
    The comments in his threads are choc-a-bloc those of mendacious Jews and half-wits posting their inane commentary.
    Sailer muzzles/purges/moderates into oblivion all comments that are critical of his Jewish benefactors.
    Only idiots read/participate in Steve Sailer threads.

    Mark G, you had me going there for a moment.
    I thought for a second you might actually be serious when you wrote what you did.
    You got me good.

  34. @nokangaroos

    No. I have no idea how you came upon this view. The UN Security Council, with only 5 countries in at upon the founding, had China and the USSR in there. Yeah, that’s an Atlantic Charter?

    The John Birch Society gripes about Communism and Globalism (sometimes they are one and the same). They could see not only the external threats of the 1950’s but half a century before Americans realized that the Long March through the Institutions was in progress, much less completed, the JBS was trying to tell Americans about these internal threats.

    Alas, we’ve got a lot of stupid people. Don’t join that crowd.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  35. @Truth Vigilante

    I’m pretty certain that Steve Sailer is not affiliated with the ADL, haha! In fact, if not on their HATE LIST, he is probably on that of the $PLC. He gives them both a lot of shit, in fact, though he has indeed toned down his views – I think to try to fit in as a known writer now – over the last few years.

    He’s not a whore in any way. Mr. Sailer’s problem for you and me is that he will always remain civil and reason nice and calmly, even when conditions don’t call for it. To put it simply, he’s a peacetime consigliere when the cultural war calls for a wartime consigliere. Mr. Sailer had brought lots of people onto the Conservative side, with his great, often humorous and snarky writing (above all, very civil – no name-calling!) writing.

    He will NOT change the minds of the enemy on the left. They don’t want to understand, and, even when they do and agree with him, they won’t change, as they are all about POWER.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  36. HT says:
    @Jokem

    There are still Marxists hostile to the West. Vlad Putin is one of the Bolsheviks in the model of Josef Stalin. The only difference is the Soviet Union has shrunk to just include Russia.

    “Marxists” actually control the West and its institutions now. The role of the Bolsheviks in the West today is taken by the Neo-Marxists and globalist forces that are destroying America and Europe. You see in America how those two groups are aligned against the forces of nationalism where many Americans want to return to America first. What came out of WWII is the destruction of national sovereignty in the West while the communist idea of globalism was advanced. Putin is actually on the opposite side of the Soviet communist state and more aligned with America first as Europe slides into globalism more and more and that conflict is now apparent with the election of Trump. Putin even embraces religion for Russia and works to eliminate the Russian culture of abortion whereas Western Europe does just the opposite.

    • Agree: Mark G., nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Jokem
  37. @HT

    I ran out of [AGREE]s for now, but that was an excellent way to state that, HT. Nice job!

    • Thanks: HT
  38. @Achmed E. Newman

    I see, thanks (I´m not too familiar with the topic).
    I found this one not really 100%, but overall not bad, and rather radical:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-case-get-out-now

    … but I doubt this is what the Orange One has in mind; letting go of the empire
    means letting go of the dollar which in turn would make the $500B savings
    look like a skeeter fart.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  39. @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m pretty certain that Steve Sailer is not affiliated with the ADL, haha!
    In fact, if not on their HATE LIST, he is probably on that of the $PLC. He gives them both a lot of shit ……He’s not a whore in any way. Mr. Sailer’s problem for you and me is …..

    I can’t speak about Sailer’s problem for you, but in relation to me (and numerous others), he censors all information that exposes the crimes and malfeasance of his Jewish benefactors.
    The last time I engaged in a thread of his (which was the only time I recall he dealt with an issue of substance), was a couple of years ago when he featured an article about the Holohoax.

    Sailer moderated the hell (ie: comments moderated for days/weeks and eventually purged altogether), out of anything I posted that exposed this Talmudic fraud foisted on humanity.
    Now, if he’s not doing that to you, then clearly you’re being a well behaved little lad and you’re posting tame comments that stay within his 3″ x 5″ card of allowable opinion [Don’t-criticise-the-Jews] guidelines.

    To the extent that Sailer may have criticised the ADL and SPLC in the past (something I never saw in the brief time I perused his threads), it’s likely cover to throw people off – similar to the tactics that commenter Colon Wrong (aka Colin Wright) employs.
    Colon Wrong regularly posts comments about atrocities committed by the Apartheid Israeli state in Gaza, pretending to have a conscience and be critical of Jewish depravity.

    But when he’s shown a DELUGE of proofs that the Holohoax is a Jewish conjured mind fuck, that there was NO systematic mass extermination programme of Jews conducted by the Germans during WWII and that there were NO gas chambers in any of the regularly inspected [by the ICRC – International Committee of the Red Cross] work camps, which were falsely labelled as ‘extermination centres’, Colon Wrong refuses to even look at the evidence.
    Only malignant Jews and their shabbos goy lackeys respond in that manner.

    And what I’ve said above is exactly true for Steve Sailer – even more so in fact.

    Steve Sailer is a TOTAL WHORE subordinate to Malignant Jews.
    If you can’t see that you’re not very observant – not that it isn’t visible from a mile away.

  40. @Achmed E. Newman

    It didn’t take long after his arrival here at TUR to see that Mr. Sailer isn’t so much a dissident as a copium denmother for disaffected white guys who skew 40+ in age. In practically all other respects — and, thus, effectively in that one — he narrates or stands silent on behalf of the Establishment.

    This was obscured by the first few years of padding the HBD posts with sportsball, Hollywood, and pop music culture (anchored in his youth), which resonated with many of the target audience. When he got serious about the COVID dempanic and Ukraine warball commentary and adopted pets like Jack D, though, more than a few of the fellows noticed. Others will apparently remain loyal to the end.

    [H]e has indeed toned down his views – I think to try to fit in as a known writer now – over the last few years.

    IOW, deciding to appear at the Berkeley Castle and likewise joining the Diffident Right in shying away from topics like Palestine might be seen from a marketing perspective as great ways to reset the brand.

    Rationalizing comments like yours have become part of the endless drama over his moving again that’s been going on for nearly a year. He now posts here only often enough to remind people that the tree fort’s been relocated to Substack. But even Ron Unz has been cucking to the disloyalty, recently saying that he may set up a safe space like the “Russian Reaction” columns maintained for the old Karlin groupies and keep out any new heterodox commenters like me.

    Steve Sailer has grown as stale as Michelle Malkin, Andrew Napolitano, John Derbyshire, and Ilana Mercer. Can’t we all just move along?

  41. Mark G. says:
    @Greta Handel

    Steve, along with a number of other HBD writers like John Derbyshire, Charles Murray and Jared Taylor have always generally avoided criticizing Israel. They were all at one time writers for National Review, which also avoided criticizing Israel. It was generally only paleocons like Pat Buchanan or libertarians like Ron Paul who were willing to do that.

    At some point, National Review decided to mostly move away from publishing articles on HBD topics. This left HBD writers only paleocon or libertarian magazines or websites to publish on. They have never, though, completely abandoned their former beliefs when it comes to Israel.

    It is possible to criticize Jews too little but it is also possible to criticize them too much. A lot of the liberal elites destroying this country have been White Gentiles, going back to Wilson and FDR. Writers like Ron Paul and his mentor Murray Rothbard have been aware of this. The fact that HBD writers like Sailer, Murray, Derbyshire, and Taylor do not talk about the negative effects of Jewish influence does not mean they are wrong on the HBD topics they do discuss. I find I generally agree with those views.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  42. @Mark G.

    Nothing you’ve just said refutes or even substantially addresses my take on Steve Sailer’s basic loyalty and effective service to the Establishment. It’s compounded by his subjective Whimming of heterodox comments on what’s supposed to be an open forum. (Many of the fans were in denial about that, too, until a few years ago, when he finally admitted it.)

    I’m here to learn and think critically, and don’t much care why he writes (or skirts) what he does. My point is that Steve Sailer, like the others named — and I’ll add Pat Buchanan — is plainly past his expiration date for a publication like TUR.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  43. Sulu says:

    Never underestimate a bureaucrat’s desire to keep pulling down a fat paycheck, regardless of how many nameless people are having their guts spread out on some foreign battlefield.

    Sulu

  44. Mark G. says:
    @Greta Handel

    “Nothing you’ve said refutes”

    You don’t get it. I am not trying to get in a long acrimonious argument here with you, just making some observations about Steve Sailer. Also, you are not the only person here reading these comments so writing comments here of interest just to you is not my main goal. If I thought you were the only person reading this, I wouldn’t even bother commenting. I would do something else on my Sunday off.

    You have a history here at this website of being hostile to me even though I probably agree with you ninety percent of the time. You have even jumped to the conclusion before I disagreed with you on something and I had to spend time convincing you I do not.

    Political coalitions require people who mostly agree trying to be at least somewhat civil to each other. While I do not agree with Steve Sailer on a number of issues, I still consider him to be on the political right and that is true also for a number of his commenters like Achmed here. We should not forget that, in order to win elections, you need to form broad based coalitions. Ron Paul, unlike a lot of other libertarians, was actually able to get elected to Congress by thinking in such terms. As a 68 year old, I consider him to be my favorite politician in my lifetime. Sorry, Barry Goldwater, you are just number two.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  45. @Mark G.

    Sorry to have come across as hostile, but it’s tiresome after ten years around here to see people still making excuses for race baiters who otherwise won’t dare criticize those in power. (And perhaps your #41 would have been a more appropriate reply to someone else.)

    I have long admired Ron Paul, too. However, with each Most Important Election Ever, I’m happier with my decision years ago to stop voting. Politics, like the Diffident Right, may feel good but actually serves to endorse and sustain the Establishment.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  46. Mark G. says:
    @Greta Handel

    Most believers in HBD don’t believe in the traditional small government beliefs of libertarianism, including a belief in a noninterventionist foreign policy. Most libertarians don’t believe in HBD. To formulate good political policies, you need to understand both. For example, Somalia would be wealthier with a free-market economy but it will never become as wealthy as Switzerland. To understand why, you need to understand HBD. It is a mistake, therefore, to deposit large numbers of Somali refugees in American cities. Most of them will fail to fully integrate into American society.

    It is disappointing Steve Sailer was not the writer to combine libertarianism and HBD. His blog here is now a dead blog, with him no longer posting new content here. You still see the Zelensky fanboys in his comment section spewing insults at Trump, Vance, Musk etc. but that has absolutely no effect. The Americans were always going to eventually walk away from the Ukraine war, as they did with Vietnam and Afghanistan, and the election of Trump is speeding up the process.

    This country will eventually adopt the political policies of Ron Paul, since those are the policies that work. The limited government beliefs of the Founders, which Ron Paul also believes in, helped make America the wealthiest country in the history of the world. This included, for the first time, a large middle class.

  47. @Mark G.

    In relation to Steve Sailer (and presumably the other apologists for Jewish criminality), you wrote:

    It is possible to criticize Jews too little but it is also possible to criticize them too much ….

    So I ask you this: What is it that you don’t understand about the following statement?:
    Steve Sailer comes down like a hammer and outright muzzles/moderates into oblivion/purges comments that present his Jewish benefactors in a bad light.

    It’s not just me that’s been on the receiving end of it, but numerous others* as well.
    (*Every time Sailer’s name is mentioned in another thread, I recount my experience of heavy handed censorship when dealing with him. In return, several others in the commentariat told me of their similar experience at the hands of Sailer).

    Needless to say, the ones I’m aware of are just the tip of the iceberg. No doubt there are countless more that were muzzled like I was.
    By making excuses for this piece of shit, YOU are aiding and abetting him.
    YOU are part of the problem.

    BTW, how is it possible to criticise the Jews too much, in light of the following (by no means exhaustive list of) crimes they’ve committed?:

    1) Murder of James Forrestal, JFK/RFK/JFK Jr, Senator Paul Wellstone (incl. the latter’s wife and daughter)

    2) Orchestrating the events that led to WWI & WWII

    3) The USS Liberty False Flag

    4) 9/11

    5) The 2002 Bali Bombing (Australia’s 9/11)

    6) The 2005 Madrid Train Bombing (Spain’s 9/11)

    7) The 2005 London Tube and bus bombing (aka 7/7 – Britain’s 9/11)

    8) The Holohoax myth

    9) The Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax

    10) The Covid Psyop and Mass Cull of humanity from the clot shots

    11) Orchestrating the start of the Ukraine proxy war

    12) The nuking of Beirut in August 2020

    13) The ongoing exploitation of the citizenry of the western world through ZOG’s ownership/control of the western central banks through debt usury.

    Not to mention their disastrous monetary policies (whereby they set interest rates far too low for far too long and encourage borrowers to mortgage themselves to the eyeballs, only to pull the pin later on with higher rates that see their business bankrupted or their home foreclosed on).
    Then, when home prices have bottomed out, the Talmudic vultures swoop down and buy up the property at cents on the dollar as the cycle resumes once more.

    14) The murder of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani (Yes Donald Chump signed off on it – but he did so at the behest of his Jewish controllers).

    15) The deliberate murder of (by some estimates) 200,000 or more Palestinian non combatants (mostly women and children) since Oct. 2023 – in addition to the countless hundreds of thousands they’ve murdered/maimed/raped/brutalised in preceding decades … etc.

    ALL of these crimes have Jewish finger prints all over them.
    HOW THE EFF can you tell me that MALIGNANT INTERNATIONAL JEWRY HAS BEEN CRITICISED TOO MUCH?
    WHAT THE EFF IS WRONG WITH YOU Mark?

    So, either you put up or STFU.
    Give me one example, JUST ONE, of a major geopolitical incident involving the Anglo Zionist empire and its slavish vassals/proxies, that did NOT involve Jewish mischief making?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  48. Mark G. says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Do not do the internet equivalent of yelling at me by TYPING IN ALL CAPS. I have no requirement to talk to you at all and am not going to if I feel like you are being insulting or condescending.

    I never said Steve Sailer does not block comments he does not like, particularly involving Israel. I also said, right here in this comment thread, Steve avoids criticizing Israel himself. I would not block your comments on his blog but it is his blog, not mine. He gets to decide who comments on his own blog. If you don’t like it, stop complaining and start your own blog.

    Political coalitions require a certain level of civility and not demanding that your coalition partners agree with you on everything. I have a long history of making pro-liberty arguments here at this website, voting for pro-liberty candidates such as Ron Paul in the Republican primaries and financially supporting pro-liberty websites and organizations like Lewrockwell.com, Antiwar.com, and the Mises Institute. Yet, while knowing almost nothing about me, you are eager to declare me part of the problem. A political coalition made up of only people acceptable to you would be tiny and would have no chance to win an election.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  49. @Mark G.

    Yet, while knowing almost nothing about me, you are eager to declare me part of the problem.

    Who you are is reflected in WHAT YOU SAY. I stand by everything I’ve posted in UR.
    When you try to cover for that piece-of-it Steve Sailer, that’s an obvious Red Flag.
    And you said that ‘it is possible to criticise the Jews too much’ (the implication being that some of us are being too critical of Jewish depravity).

    OK then, either put up or shut up.
    Give me examples of major geopolitical events (involving the Anglo-Zionist empire and its proxies/vassals), where Malignant International Jewry was NOT responsible.
    Am I exaggerating? Did they or did they not play a pivotal role (I contend THE pivotal* role), in all of the events I itemised in comment # 47)?
    You avoided the question once, doing so again will be proof that you have nothing to back up your uninformed earlier assertion.

    BTW, it’s not enough to just say you don’t believe there was no substantive Jewish involvement in one or more of the crimes I’ve mentioned.
    You need to furnish PROOF that another entity (or collective of entities), had a greater input in those events.

    Lastly, what’s with the ‘equivalent of yelling’ comment of yours?
    Everything I post is done in a relaxed and even tempered fashion – there is no yelling.
    I use caps solely for EMPHASIS, as a lot of others do.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  50. Mark G. says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Jews were not responsible for World War I. Ron Unz himself has written here on his website that the support for that war came mostly from Anglophile eastern WASP elites, like the non-Jew Woodrow Wilson, while Jews mostly opposed that war. Both Murray Rothbard and Robert Crunden have written books about how the Progressive movement of the early 20th century was largely initiated by these same eastern Protestant elites, not by Jews. Rothbard, an influential figure in the libertarian movement, was Jewish himself.

    You avoided responding to my comment that a political coalition of individuals approved by you would be tiny and unable to win elections. It is possible that is your actual goal, to sabotage any pro-freedom coalition.

    While Jews should certainly be criticized, talking about them constantly and saying they are behind all the problems of society will remind most normie Americans of a certain dead German dictator who is very unpopular in this country. Talking like this would be a career killer for almost any American politician. It is better to also discuss the negative effects of the non-Jewish elites in this country like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Anthony Fauci, Gavin Newsom, AOC and so on. Jews, while highly influential, make up only three percent of the population in this country and can’t do the harm they do without plenty of non-Jewish assistance.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  51. @Truth Vigilante

    I’ve heard so many people say that Iran can’t defeat the U.S. that Iran would easily be destroyed, but I’ll assume its just more American arrogance.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  52. @Greta Handel

    Greta, I don’t doubt you (or T.V.) on this, but could you link me to that? I want to see what Steve Sailer wrote in that regard. He’s normally mum about what he doesn’t like, how he “wims”, who gets to post immediately, etc…

    Re Pat Buchanan, and Ron Paul for that manner, these guys are syndicated columnists, published in thousands of places. I really doubt they have any idea personally that they’re even published here, much less read comments. What I mean is that they don’t think of TUR and its purpose when they write their columns.

    I do think that Pat Buchanan is living in 1985. For his ideas, that works p;pretty well, as he was right then, and he’s right now. However, from what I’d read, he acts as if we still have the civil polite rule-of-law country as we did then.

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  53. @Truth Vigilante

    Let me start with (1), but just your Senator Wellstone part. Would you like to read the 60 page NTSB report, T.V.? I’d heard of this wreck the day it happened, and I’m reading the report now. This was a botched VOR approach down toward minimum descent altitude. Icing may have been one factor but not the main thing, which was being off the track, trying to look for the airport from 400 ft above field elevation just under the clouds in fairly low visibility, and slamming into a hillside. This stuff does happen unfortunately, but less so now with GPS and terrain/obstruction databases. Nobody sabotaged that flight.

    (2) Real stretch.

    (9) Bullshit, it’s everybody, including the Pope. He’s definitely not Jewish, but I’m not sure he’s Catholic either.

    (10) Ditto. Are the Chinese Jewish? They were a big damn part of the whole Plandemic too, especially with their Season 2 throughout much of ’22, March – November.

    (12) No nukes, WTF?

    (13) Sure, ask Juan the landscaper who made $10/hr but bought a house with 3% down, Millions of greedy people took part in this Housing Bubble. I do blame the FED and the financial system, heavily Jewish, for pushing it, but nobody forced anyone to make a stupid financial deal. I could have bought 3 houses at the time, but I’m just not stupid. It takes greedy stupid people by the millions for these things to go on. Most were not Jews.

    (11) – Agreed.
    (3) – Agreed, but it was not a false flag but an attack, period.

    Most of the rest – got no freaking idea.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  54. @Greta Handel

    Yeah, a lot of us like the fun stuff that Mr. Sailer writes about, albeit for me, not the Sportsball. That’s part of his entertainment value. The commenters are generally a smart bunch, and most of them can relate without the STFUs and name-calling like, yeah, you T.V.! I’ll get back to you.

    IOW, deciding to appear at the Berkeley Castle and likewise joining the Diffident Right in shying away from topics like Palestine might be seen from a marketing perspective as great ways to reset the brand.

    I agree here. However, as Mark and I have been trying to explain, Mr. Sailer has been a force for good.

    I don’t agree with him completely. I quit reading for a few months during the worst of his Kung Flu Panic. As Mark wrote, he likes the stats and the interesting theories that relate real-life anecdotes to data. I think he got really into that, but without the realization that “Hey, we’re talking Totalitarianism here.” He got too into it to see the madness around him. Mr. Unz here is the same, wrt his pet Flu Manchu origins theory.

    Anyway, Mr. Sailer thinks that our enemies can be won over by very good explanations of why they are wrong. THEY! DON’T! CARE! That’s the part of his writing that bugs me often.

  55. @Greta Handel

    I’m a big fan of Michelle Malkin and John Derbyshire. As for Ilana Mercer, yeah, I’ve moved along.

    What’s wrong with having iSteve threads here? The headlines would take up 1% of the page, as with the “Russian Reaction” ones. I never read that guy, and I would have no idea what the Russians are babbling about in the threads. Who cares? Nobody would force you to read it, and Mr. Unz has already made more space (by bringing Mr. Sailer’s blog down to 2 posts visible) to put more Communists, China Propagandists, dipshit Ted Ralls, and maybe some smart patriotic Americans too.

  56. @Achmed E. Newman

    Greta, I don’t doubt you (or T.V.) on this, but could you link me to that? I want to see what Steve Sailer wrote in that regard. He’s normally mum about what he doesn’t like, how he “wims”, who gets to post immediately, etc…

    I was calling it out years ago, and even once documented the emerging blueberries over on an Anglin column in real time. After ignoring and occasionally snarking it off, he finally owned up. See Anniversaries Matter to Palestinians (Steve Sailer • October 7, 2023), comment ## 159 (Dumbo), 162 (Sailer: “Quality of commenter [sic]”), and, among others, 326 (me) for the question, the admission, and the criticism of his subjective Whimming. It’s also apparent from other commenters that sending Mr. Sailer money correlates to quick approval. He’s never denied or admitted that, though.

    It’s remarkable that someone who participates as prolifically as you wasn’t previously aware. Do you send him money?

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    , @Mark G.
  57. @Greta Handel

    It’s remarkable that someone who participates as prolifically as you wasn’t previously aware. Do you send him money?

    Greta, that confused me. Aware of what, the whimming of stuff completely or the delays? Regarding the latter – one time it was 24 hours, and by then he’d already written about my point in his own post! – but a lot of them have corresponded to his daily schedule as a late night person on Pacific Time. I think I’ve only had a couple of comments trashed.

    Re the money, I have only this one data point, but for me, it was the opposite, as in no + correlation. I was on the moderation schedule, but that was when I DID donate money. I haven’t for a few years, but I’ve been on instant commenting since maybe 4-5 years.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  58. @Achmed E. Newman

    Greta, that confused me. Aware of what, the whimming of stuff completely or the delays?

    You must not have read the cited thread furnished at your request. Whimming doesn’t mean (just) censoring. It principally consists of delaying – sometimes for days – certain comments that he doesn’t want appearing for a while, which later appear in blue (“blueberries”) only once when someone returns to the page. Thereafter, Mr. Sailer’s chickenshit tracks are covered. So the permanent thread not only lacks the input of people unwilling to put up with it, but distorts the context and meaning of what people took the time to write. And in the heat of discussion, people can’t cite back by comment # because they keep increasing when others emerge above, etc.

    As I put it back then:

    Quality of commenter.

    This long overdue (or at least rare, compared to disregard or proffered excuses like “walking the dog”) admission should be bookmarked by anyone inclined to take Mr. Sailer’s blog seriously as a place for full and fair argument. By “quality,” he means concurrence. Is even the rankest garbage from those reliably echoing his views ever Whimmed?

    Playing copium denmother for disaffected white men seems to obscure for some of his devotees that his views on what truly matters to the Establishment are conventional as can be. The witless snark served late in this thread alongside the RFK/Sirhan blueberries is at the level of his insights about COVID shots, Ukraine, and the persecution of actual dissidents.

    Thanks, though, for at least letting this through. (Ron Unz censors.)

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  59. Mark G. says:
    @Greta Handel

    I certainly thought your comments on Steve Sailer’s blog were better than some of the commenters there who appeared to have automatic approval like Corvinus, HA, Twinkie and Jack D. I always had a pretty low opinion of Twinkie after he told me he would never vote for Ron Paul. I can’t believe someone would prefer McCain or Romney. Res and Achmed, though, have a high opinion of him so he must not be all bad.

    Why someone got automatic approval there was always a mystery to me. For years my comments were moderated. The only one ever trashed was when I made a comment about the Papa John’s pizza founder getting in trouble for using a racial slur in a meeting. I do not use such language but me quoting him was enough to get my comment rejected.

    I finally got put on automatic approval by Steve when I said National Review magazine had gone into a decline and it was better when he was writing for it. This was not just flattery. It really did go into a decline after Joseph Sobran got fired by Buckley. NR then adopted a pro-Israel neocon foreign policy and cut back on its HBD and anti-immigration coverage.

    When I was being moderated it was easy to figure out what was going on. If I posted a comment at five in the morning it would be quickly approved but one posted a few hours later would sit in moderation for hours. Steve was obviously staying up most of the night and sleeping through the day.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  60. @Greta Handel

    I searched for that post after I wrote you. There are over 1,000 comments, so it took a while to load on this device. I read the pertinent parts, Greta, so thanks.

    Right, you can’t have a real conversation when comments are held up for 2-10 hours, I agree. However, I am pretty certain that all that was based on Mr. Sailer’s schedule. He took it upon himself to moderate comments, which went from average 50-75 each post 8 years ago, IIRC, to more like 150 each (when he was still writing 3-5 daily), a big job.

    I don’t think any of the time delays were based on what one wrote about, from my long time writing. However, whether and why you are allowed instant commenting, I really never got that, and that thread you sent me to and quick remark by Mr. Sailer didn’t help clear anything up either.

    How many times have your comments there been trashed, though, as a percentage?

    Finally, you don’t get the way it works. Each writer has a choice how to do this. I can tell that Ron Paul here, or whoever actually made the arrangement with Mr. Unz, just picked the update-comment-thread-every-n-minutes option. If you notice, it doesn’t take long, probably based on a time setting used by some dBase stored procedure or a “chron” job that updates the dBase every so many minutes.

    Paul Kersey’s comments sometimes took full days!

    Ron Unz doesn’t have anything to do with it directly, except, I’m sure, in the comment section of his own posts.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  61. @Achmed E. Newman

    Assuming you’re discussing this in good faith, let’s try again.

    1. Go look at Biden Has “Covid,” White House Mammy Says That It Doesn’t Matter How He Got It Because Everyone Gets It (Andrew Anglin • July 22, 2022). Starting with comment #90, that’s where I documented in real time how some comments under a contemporaneous Sailer thread were breezing through, while others were being held up, and that the distinction was based on whether the comment supported or refuted his opinion. The log was kept as Replies to myself, so it won’t take long at all.

    2. Then tell us what you think.

    In that order, please.

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  62. Jokem says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Sounds like Kim Jong Un is writing your speeches.

  63. Jokem says:
    @HT

    I agree the West has become more Socialist, but hardly controlled by Marxists.

    Putin is hardly aligned with anyone but Putin, and he is a hardcore Bolshevik in the manner of Joe Stalin.

    • Replies: @HT
  64. @Mark G.

    Jews were not responsible for World War I.
    Ron Unz himself has written here on his website that the support for that war came mostly from Anglophile eastern WASP elites

    You got the second part right – but you’re dead wrong on the first bit.
    The country that FAR & AWAY should take the overwhelming responsibility for commencement of hostilities in WWI (it’s blue sky to second place), is Perfidious Albion.
    Yes, these WASP elites paved the way for war. But these individuals were BOUGHT-AND-PAID-FOR minions of the Talmudic misfits in the ‘Square Mile’.
    They were nothing more than ACTORS reading from a ZOG dictated script.

    It would take too long to reference all the authors you need to read to get you up to speed.
    So instead I’ll attach below a great video from James Corbett (of The Corbett Report) titled ‘The WW1 Conspiracy (Full Documentary | 2018)’, which is pretty comprehensive:

    Video Link

    Summary: You (like me and everyone who’s been indoctrinated by the ZOG narrative in the western school curriculum), were taught false history.
    The real history is that Malignant International Jewry were that entity which orchestrated WWI & WWII.
    Absent their input there is NO likelihood there would’ve been war between the western nations.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  65. @NobodyImportant

    Now, I’m not saying with absolute certainty that the rainbow flagged DEI saturated U.S Armed Forces could not defeat Iran (even without using nukes), if it brought its ENTIRE INVENTORY OF CONVENTIONAL WEAPONRY and a Vietnam War level number of foot soldiers into the conflict (supplemented by tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited from around the world – as the Anglo-Zionist empire did in the Ukraine proxy war).

    But what I am saying is that it would suffer so many KIA in the process, that long before even a glimmer of victory appeared on the horizon, U.S public opinion would turn against the warmongers conducting the campaign, as body bags filled with dismembered grunts returned to America in their thousands.

    And therefore, as with Vietnam, the U.S would withdraw with its tail between its legs.

  66. @Achmed E. Newman

    In relation to the list of (by no means exhaustive) crimes committed by Malignant International Jewry, you wrote:

    Most of the rest – got no freaking idea.

    Let me correct that for you. In fact: In ALL OF THEM you have NO EFF’N IDEA.

    So let’s begin with this silly question of yours:

    Would you like to read the 60 page NTSB report, T.V.?

    I’ll respond to that with a question of my own.
    ie: would you like to read the NIST report explaining how the WTC towers and Building 7 (WTC7) came down on 9/11?
    Would you also like to read the NTSB explanation for how TWA Flight 800 came to grief?

    Achmed, WHAT THE EFF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
    You disappoint me.
    Do you rely on the ZOG controlled corrupt U.S Gubmint agencies for all your info?
    Did you listen to Anthony Fauci and that Jewess Rochelle Walensky that headed the CDC, and thus took your full complement of Covid clot shots with multiple boosters thereafter*?
    If so, that would explain your neurological impairment – because those spike protein are known to congregate in the brain.

    (*I’m not posting that question in jest Achmed. I genuinely want to know the answer to that.
    Were you stupid enough to inject those mRNA toxins into you veins?).

    Prof. Emeritus Fetzer had an excellent video explaining how Paul Wellston’e plane was sabotaged.
    I can’t find it on short notice but you can click on the link below and enlighten yourself:
    https://jameshfetzer.org/2022/08/american-assassination-the-strange-death-of-senator-paul-wellstone/

    Here is another excellent article from the always reliable Global Research:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/paul-wellstone-tenth-anniversary-of-his-assassination/5309918

    The caption in the Yandex search engine for the article above reads:

    Fetzer and Jacobs established compelling prima facie and conclusive evidence to prove Wellstone’s death was no accident.

    The fact is that the NTSB report for the plane crash that killed Senator Paul Wellstone (just like the NTSB report on TWA 800), is a WHITEWASH from start to finish.
    Only a BRAIN DEAD non critical thinking Big Gubmint fan boy would believe a single word of it.

    Meanwhile, in relation to the Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) hoax (to which you replied ‘Bullshit’), and mentioned something about the Pope. are you really that uninformed to not know that Pope Francis Bergoglio is (like King Chuck III of Gross Britain) a TOOL of the ZOG establishment?
    ZOG has dirt on them both (they are both homosexuals) and thus they do as they’re told.

    But, getting back to the AGW hoax, are you serious when you say Malignant International Jewry is NOT behind it?
    Let’s start with what no one disputes. ZOG controls the entirety of the western MSM.
    And what can you tell me about the western MSM (other than for one or two outliers like Murdoch’s News Corporation/Fox News network)?
    That’s right – they are in LOCKSTEP support of the AGW hoax, as they propagate their scaremongering of all the little kiddies in the world with their forecasts of Climate Armageddon.

    In addition, KNOWN MERCENARIES OF ZOG (like the WEF/Klaus Schwab/Yuval Harari/Tony Blair/Justine Trudeau/Al Gore/Boris Johnson/Keir Starmer and countless others), are all dyed-in-the-wool propagaters of lies in support of this easily disprovable hoax.

    Summary: Whether it be the JFK coup d’etat, the 9/11 False Flag, the Anthropogenic Global warming hoax or whatever, the ZOG owned MSM only cover for CRIMES COMMITTED BY MALIGNANT INTERNATIONAL JEWRY. (ie: crimes that they themselves perpetrated).
    They do not expend their valuable media resources covering for crimes committed by lesser, secondary cabals.
    WHY THE EFF WOULD THEY?

    Achmed, you’re a good guy on a range of issues, so I genuinely don’t want to embarrass you in front of the UR readership. But if you’re going to persist with these NOT-VERY-WELL-THOUGHT-OUT assertions, you leave me no choice.
    I just cannot fathom how clueless you are, based on your last comment.
    You certainly haven’t investigated these matters in any depth using OBJECTIVE sources.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  67. @Mark G.

    Steve Sailer’s blog ….. commenters there who appeared to have automatic approval like Corvinus, HA, Twinkie and Jack D.

    I don’t know who HA is and don’t recall reading/having interaction with him.
    But the others are known Jewish sayanim or, in the case of the Twink, an Asian shabbos goy.
    This is indicative of the type of fools that are attracted to Steve Sailer articles.

    Think about it. WHY would Sailer give preferential treatment* to mendacious Jews/shabbos goys?
    (Curvanus and the Twink can testify to the fact that I’ve slapped them down on countless occasions after they posted their falsehoods and tried to defend Jewish depravity).

    The answer to the preceding question is exceedingly simple. It’s because Sailer wanted to ingratiate himself with the Jews that control publishing/the media, in the hope that they noticed his grovelling and lack of a conscience in aiding the Jewish agenda.
    ie: so they could reward him with a well remunerated job.
    Simply put, STEVE SAILER IS A WHORE and will say anything if it entails financial reward.

    Meanwhile, you also wrote this:

    If I posted a comment at five in the morning it would be quickly approved but one posted a few hours later would sit in moderation for hours.
    Steve was obviously staying up most of the night and sleeping through the day.

    How does that explain a comment of mine (one containing a ton of irrefutable proof that the Holohoax was pure fiction), that remained in moderation for a month or so, and one or two others that are likely still in moderation to the present day (2-3 years after I posted them)?

    Did Sailer go into Rip Van Winkle mode when it came to my comments?
    How stupid all of you people are. Sailer does the equivalent of spitting and defecating in your food, yet you come back again and again to his restaurant like mindless lemmings.

    Anyone with even smidgen of self respect would’ve stopped patronising/reading his stupid articles which almost invariably deal with frivolous fluff.
    Stupid is as stupid does.

  68. Mark G. says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    I think I will go with Murray Rothbard here and his book on the Progressive movement. This pro-statist movement, according to Rothbard, originated mostly with eastern Protestant elites, not Jews. The first Progressive president, according to Rothbard, was Teddy Roosevelt, a non-Jew. The second Progressive president was Woodrow Wilson, a non-Jew. They were voted into office by mostly non-Jews. These eastern WASP elites were in turn influenced by pro-statist intellectual currents coming out of Germany. This is covered in a book by Leonard Peikoff, The Ominous Parallels.

    While I often agree with your libertarian analysis of issues, I have pointed out to you twice here that combining libertarianism with extreme levels of anti-semitism will be unpopular with American voters, who mostly do not like extreme anti-semitism. You seem disconnected from reality here and therefore it would probably be a waste of my time to try to change your mind. I do not feel like my fellow libertarians need to agree with me on everything, anyway.

    Extreme anti-semitism is not just unpopular with average American voters. It is unpopular with many libertarians too:

    https://fee.org/articles/libertarianism-rejects-anti-semitism/

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  69. @Mark G.

    The first Progressive president, according to Rothbard, was Teddy Roosevelt, a non-Jew. The second Progressive president was Woodrow Wilson, a non-Jew.

    What difference does it make whether these few (and countless more Presidents – other than for LBJ who actually was a Jew), were all gentiles?
    In every race there are a subset of unscrupulous conscience-free psychopaths and sociopaths from among the goyim that ZOG PURPOSELY TARGETS and grooms for positions of power.
    (Like the cross dressing homosexual J Edgar Hoover and the pederast Senator Lindsey Graham, ZOG has dirt on all these people and thus can get them to do their bidding).

    Were you born yesterday to not know this?
    Honestly Markie, how old are you? The things you write are what I’d expect from an adolescent kid with no life experience that’s read next to nothing about true history.

    I don’t look at someone and say: ‘Hmmm, they’re a fellow goy, so I know I can trust them’.
    Even worse than mendacious Jews are the likes of goyim traitors like:
    All U.S Presidents of the last few decades, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Winston Spendthrift Churchill, Tony Blair, Keir Starmer, Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau, Nancy Pelosi, all the Prime Ministers of my country (Australia) of the last 40 years, Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel etc.

    Take for example Winston Churchill, who is, by two orders of magnitude, the greatest TRAITOR in the history of the British Empire.
    There has not been a more ‘Beholden-to-ZOG’ sock puppet in the last 100 years that I can think of, than this drunkard and poltroon.

    What I’m saying is that this was never about Jews Vs non-Jews. What it is about is TRUTH TELLERS Vs Liars.
    I don’t care what your race is. If you’re acting as an apologist for the criminal depravity that occurs in this world (even if you do it in the capacity of a useful idiot – as it appears you’re doing), I will set you straight.

    You also write:

    I have pointed out to you twice here that combining libertarianism with extreme levels of anti-semitism will be unpopular with American voters

    You needn’t worry, I am among the least anti-Semitic people that you’re ever likely to meet.
    Many of my friends are Semites (ie: Palestinians, Lebanese etc, and thus descendants of ACTUAL Semites – seeing as a Semite is defined as those whose forebears were the original inhabitants of the Levant in the days of antiquity).

    Now, in relation to Ashkenazi Jews, these impostors that have stolen the land of another people and are falsely claiming their ancestors were from the Levant, we KNOW WITH CERTAINTY that they are descendants of the Khazars – a Mongol-Turkic tribe from the Caucasus region and what is present day Ukraine.

    I’ve had Jewish friends in the past and there are countless Ashkenazi Jews who I don’t know personally, but who I’d shake hands with because they SPEAK THE TRUTH.
    They are/were (to name just a few – some of whom are deceased), to be found in the 9/11 Truth movement (eg: Lynn Margulis – who ZOG murdered, as they likewise did for Senator Paul Wellstone), those exposing the Mass Cull of humanity during the Covid Psyop (eg: Yale Prof. Harvey Risch and Dr Brett Weinstein), the JFK coup d’etat (Mark Lane), they speak about economics and the malfeasance of the ZOG owned Federal Reserve (like Murray Rothbard and former economic advisor to Ron Paul’s 2008 Presidential campaign – Peter Schiff) and countless more.

    These are RIGHTEOUS JEWS (and I’d certainly include Ron Unz among them).
    So, when I say ‘Malignant International Jewry’, I of course refer to that subset of child ritual sacrificing Satanic Jews (and their minions) that are bringing death and despair to the world.
    What I’ve written above is what I’ve said many, MANY time before.
    But you were evidently asleep at the wheel and didn’t read it – or it went in one ear and out the other.

    At the end of the day, I’m not concerned with what is or isn’t popular with American voters.
    Your whole electoral system is a ZOG controlled fraud. There is NO DEMOCRACY in America.
    Even Blind Freddie can see that.
    Dr Ron Paul was his own man, an individual of integrity that was beholden to no one.
    That is why ZOG cheated Dr Paul out of the nomination in the 2012 GOP Presidential primaries.

    Your ZOG masters carefully vet both the GOP and the Dem candidate who will be running in the Presidential election, and you then choose which loyal poodle of the Talmudic degenerates will be the ACTOR-IN-CHIEF* for the next four years.

    (*You read right. They’re all ACTORS that read from a ZOG dictated script – nothing more than HIRED HANDS).
    NONE of them are allowed the autonomy to make any substantive decisions on their own.
    The fact that you don’t know these things Markie is proof that you’re one VERY GULLIBLE DUPE indeed.

  70. @Truth Vigilante

    Anyone with even [a] smidgen of self respect would’ve stopped patronising/reading [Sailer’s] stupid articles which almost invariably deal with frivolous fluff.
    Stupid is as stupid does.

    But beware the echo chamber.

    Most of my comments have always been posted about writing that I disagreed with. Looking for and pointing out fallacies, propaganda, hypocrisy, deflection, bigotry, and other flaws in authors and commenters such as
    • Buchanan
    Carney
    Jack D
    • Derbyshire
    • Engelhardt
    • Hedges
    • Hood
    John Johnson
    • Karlin
    • Lang
    • Malkin
    • Margolis
    • Mercer
    • Napolitano
    Niceland
    • Sailer
    Nicholas Stix
    • Taylor
    • Unz
    • Weissberg
    sharpens analytical and writing skills and, hopefully, helps us learn from each other. This was especially important during the COVID dempanic, on which people like Kali, Kratoklastes, Travis, and you informed my decision to decline the crapshots.

    Which may explain why I find Sailer’s Whimming so objectionable and spent so much time calling it out — it violates the purported principles of the internet generally and TUR particularly.

  71. @Truth Vigilante

    I don’t know who HA is and don’t recall reading/having interaction with him.

    The nastiest among a mendacious squad who Sailer amplified during his bouts of COVID ninniness and armchair Ukraine warballing. Even on a tilted playing field, though, commenters like PhysicistDave used HA as a foil to expose flaws in the Establishment narratives.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  72. @Greta Handel

    Assuming you’re discussing this in good faith, let’s try again.

    No, why don’t you try again? I’m not Dirty Harry, and you’re (hopefully) not that freak holding onto a busload of kids and running Harry Callahan all over San Francisco to answer calls at the pay phones in the 1st movie.

    I read that thread, and it led to no more knowledge about this then we had before. Now, you’re telling me a different story about some comments getting approved before others. Why didn’t you send me to that one already? I have only just a few times read AA posts – he’s kind of juvenile, is all. I wouldn’t have come across it.

    So, I tell you what, Mr. Handel: YOU paste in a link here to the comment in question, at least the one that starts your discussion there. If you don’t know how to do that, paste in the relative ones in order.

    Quit running me around, and get to the actual point.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  73. @Achmed E. Newman

    Either you’re being stubbornly petulant about this, or have one of the highest reach/grasp ratios on this website.

    I’ve already fetched something for you that you didn’t bother to read before running your keyboard again. And it shouldn’t take you more than a minute to find

    1) the Anglin author archive

    2) 2022

    3) July

    4) 22

    5) the cited article

    6) my comment #90:

    / Public Service Announcement /

    A golden opportunity to see Disparate Whimpact in realtime is Mr. Sailer’s just posted “Putin Takes the Lead in the Global Struggle Against White Supremacy.” Commenters Jack D and That Would Be Telling are already all over the thread, including tag teaming.

    Watch .. take notes with each reload of the thread .. learn.

    and

    7) my serial Replies recording how the experiment turned out.

    That’s more than enough help for you to learn something about Steve Sailer. Now, go finish pulling your own head out of your ass.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  74. Mark G. says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    “so they could reward him with a well remunerated job”

    If Steve Sailer was trying to do that, it didn’t work. His HBD beliefs would prevent him from being a big mainstream success. Earlier in his career, he had some Pat Buchanan type paleocon tendencies. He came up with the phrase “invade the world, invite the world, in hock to the world” to describe the policies of the Washington uniparty. He also opposed the Iraq war, thinking it was a mistake.

    I was not particularly perplexed by his support of the Covid vaccines and lockdowns. Steve is over sixty and for anyone that age Covid was a real threat. For young people, though, it is not much worse than the flu. Younger people should have been allowed to live their normal lives and not been forced to get vaccinated with an inadequately tested vaccine that did not stop transmission of the disease.

    The real change came with the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. Steve could not see we had provoked this invasion by supporting a coup in 2014 that had installed an anti-Russian government that had then tried to keep the mostly Russian eastern parts of the country from seceding. We had also refused Russian requests to join NATO. Steve has maintained his HBD beliefs, which I mostly agree with. As a libertarian who believes in a noninterventionist foreign policy, I do not support our proxy war against Russia in the Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  75. @Greta Handel

    Do you want instructions on how to provide a link? It ain’t hard, lazy-ass.

    I’ll get to this later.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  76. HT says:
    @Jokem

    I put the term Marxists in quotes to qualify it but the fact remains the Jew Neo-Marxists control all of our institutions and have irreversibly reshaped our country and culture. They took a White Christian dominated country and turned it into a diverse multicultural sewer where blacks and Jews are privileged and where we spend trillions of dollars and lose thousands of lives fighting wars on behalf of Israel. They infused self hatred into the White population to the point they have no will to fight back. I think if you take a good look you will see things are worse than you think and as Whites soon become just another minority there is no coming back.

    Also Putin is no Bolshevik but instead a nationalist wanting what is best for Russia. He has become the whipping boy for the globalists in NATO because they want to keep fooling people and making them think WWII and what came after was good for us all.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  77. @Truth Vigilante

    Were you stupid enough to inject those mRNA toxins into you veins?

    I did not take any vaccines, if that’s what you’re trying to ask. My workplace at the time was trying to ram it through, first via carrots and then via sticks. It didn’t take. They were being really bitchy about it in winter ’21-’22, but by Spring ’22. they gave up. Why? They realized all of a sudden that they needed people really badly. They just shut up about it, but we are already gathering a big resistance.

    No one in my immediate family took it. My wife got better, from the Panic, that is, by late Summer ’20. My brother and his wife were told that if they didn’t take the jab by 1st of Nov. ’22, they’d be fired. The head of this private company became a real dick about it and sycophant to Dark Brandon. However, lo and behold, his wife quit and got another job, and my brother got a waiver last minute, as pushed by his immediate boss cause otherwise, incompetent dot-Indians…

    What else do you want to know?

    See the next RP thread for my comment on your laziness about learning the actual DETAILED story about that King Air crash with Senator Wellstone. It’s pretty objective, while all you’ve got is hand-waving.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  78. @Mark G.

    I was not particularly perplexed by his support of the Covid vaccines and lockdowns.
    Steve is over sixty and for anyone that age Covid was a real threat.

    I’m a boomer and I never considered taking the clot shots for even one second.
    WHY, you ask? Because, as Dr Peter McCullough and countless others in a position to know have stated, YOU WERE FAR MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM THE COVID CLOT SHOTS than from the relatively harmless Covid-19 (and that was true for ALL AGE DEMOGRAPHICS), not just for the younger ones as the corrupt ZOG owned MSM would have you believe.

    So, if Sailer was worried about dying, all the more reason to avoid the Covid jabs.
    I recall McCullough saying that for over 65’s (or perhaps over 70?), you were FIVE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE from the Covid jab than you were from Covid.
    You also wrote:

    The real change came with the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. Steve could not see we had provoked this invasion by supporting a coup in 2014 that had installed an anti-Russian government

    It’s not a question of what Sailer could or couldn’t see in relation to the Ukraine proxy war.
    He didn’t want to offend his Jewish benefactors, so of course he was going to be pro-the poisonous dwarf Zelensky and anti-Putin.
    How is it that you can’t see that?

    Same goes for Sailer being pro-vaxx. Well, the Jewish misfits own Big Pharma and orchestrated the Covid Psyop, so naturally Sailer will align with that position.
    Stop trying to make excuses for him. Sailer is a WHORE of the Jewish establishment.
    It’s THAT simple.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  79. @Greta Handel

    commenters like PhysicistDave used HA as a foil to expose flaws in the Establishment narratives.

    Physicist Dave (aka Physicist Dovid or Phy-Do/Fido as I called him – because he was a Jewish disinfo peddler), was invited by Ron Unz to contribute his two shekels worth in a 9/11 thread.
    Thereafter my exchanges with him continued in the Open Threads.

    Well, he went out if his way to make a defence of the preposterous official U.S Gubmint/NIST narrative for how the WTC towers came down.
    Ron Unz said that Phy-Do (aka Fido the Jewish dog), was a Phd from Stanford.
    Well, that didn’t prevent him from lying his arse off about the events of 9/11.

    UR readers that are interested can watch the exchanges I had with Phy-Do in the latter stages of Open Thread # 8 and the early stages of Open Thread # 9 (at least I believe that’s where it took place from memory),
    Well, Phy-Do didn’t know what hit him. I have a hard science STEM background that is integral to the analysis of 9/11, and I tore shreds off him.
    Not once or twice but scores of times in lengthy eviscerations.

    Anyway, the last anyone heard from him was early 2024 as I recall – in those exchanges he had with me (unless he’s showed up somewhere in UR in the interim).
    The man is a SHAMELESS LIAR.
    I suspect he had a nervous breakdown, because I went into full attack dog mode.

    I mean the lies he spewed out – all of which I refuted comprehensively with Newtonian Laws of motion and other real physics.
    He was certainly in the employ of the ADL or some other ZOG affiliated agency and he was assigned to this webzine to peddle his misdirection.

    Anyway Greta, I hope that fills you in a little about this conscience-free individual.
    BTW, if he does happen to return to UR after his stint at rehab (following his nervous breakdown), tell me where I can find him so I can give him a repeat dose.
    He really was a nasty little man.

    • Troll: Mark G.
  80. @Truth Vigilante

    Steve Sailer often has a The-Government-Knows-Best mindset, as did someone in my (not quite “immediate”) family who DID take the shots (all she could get) had, and she likely died earlier due to this. I just opted out from reading the 5/6 posts a day out of him on “what kind of masks are best?”, “This is why the skiers in Italy are dying”, “What should we close down and what shouldn’t we close down?, etc. (It’s the “we” part that had me pissed – YOU do whatever TF you want, Mr. Sailer. YOUR wanting the government to make US do this or that is a problem.)

    I find it hard to believe that Mr. Sailer thinks that Russia = The USSR, as he knows his share of history. It’s been 35 years, after all. It’s that ingrained “They’re not bad people” bit, this regarding the NeoCons that had him supporting the status quo of America as world policeman and “they invaded first” (nothing wrt the goings-on in ’14).

    Did he hold back because of his Jewish book publisher? I don’t know. Look, if he was this WHORE as you claim, why would he have pissed of National Review years ago. He did not kow-tow to their BS in which they wouldn’t support writing about the Immigration Invasion. In fact, 3 of the VDare writers that I know of were fired from National Review, one being Mr. Derbyshire.

    You, however, T.V., have not answered anyone on the National Question of demographics. Is that because you don’t live here and don’t care or don’t know about it?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  81. Mark G. says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The demographics issue can be solved if we can pry the corrupt parasitic elites running the country out of power and then keep them out. One of the ways they try to stay in power is by letting in low IQ immigrants and offering them free stuff in exchange for their votes.

    We pretty much succeeded in kicking them out of power in the most recent election. The new Trump administration has done a good job so far reducing border crossings. The biggest threat now is that inflation picks back up and that causes the Republicans to lose in 2028. The inflation of the Biden years really hurt the working class, many of whom were having trouble making ends meet with prices rising faster than wages.

    Trump had actually contributed to that inflation by signing the first of the big Covid stimulus bills and pressuring the Fed to keep interest rates down in his first term. One of my biggest worries is he might do the same thing this time, spend too much and pressure the Fed to drop interest rates.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  82. @Mark G.

    Agreed completely on your economic points, Mark. Unfortunately, it’s musical chairs regarding the US $, and Trump doesn’t want to be the one standing when the music stops. Therefore, I don’t blame him, practically speaking, for STILL pushing the FED to keep interest rates low.

    However, he can blame Dark Brandon (truthfully) on the inflation, but, as you wrote, he was a big part of it, and keeping the rates low to provide easy money will keep that inflation rolling.

    So, one half of it, spending too much*, is something that won’t happen, it looks like. As for the other half of it – I think he doesn’t have a choice. He’d get even less done on immigration – of which he’s started off running – were the dollar to crash.

    Who knows? Maybe that’d be the time to change everything. I write that with trepidation, as that’s pretty much what the Communists say too!

    Have a good evening, Mark.

    .

    * Cajoling the Congress to spend too much, which is usually an easy thing to do, I should say.

  83. @Greta Handel

    Greta, I read that whole thread. That was one of the best by Mr. Anglin that I’ve read, and the comments were great.

    I do see all the discussion on the whimming, the timing of it, the outright banning (aka, by that idiot Michael Hudson*) etc. I’ll put a few points here, but the next 3 days will get REALLY busy for me. I wish you’d connected me to this discussion earlier, when you had me on that first pay phone. ;-} Anyway, I promise I’ll get back on another, probably Ron Paul, thread, when you’re there to go over some details that I get out of this and could add something to.

    1) I already wrote this: My own experience was that I donated (REAL) money yearly but that didn’t necessarily get me into Insta-comment mode. It took, say, 3 years. Perhaps Mr. Sailer realized the connection between me and my handle here at some point. However, once I quit donating, I have stayed in Insta-comment mode, with an exception…

    2) That exception was when I was overseas (not sure that was the primary problem), and my tablet had so many tabs open, it freaked out somewhat. Whatever cookie files (windows or general term?) kept this info were lost, and I was back to on delay-mode. That device has since bricked-up, while I was on a hiatus from commenting…

    3) Yes, it sucks being in the mode you are in. I experienced that for 3 years. It’s not the same. It CAN’T be just donations=Insta-commenting, unless Mr. Sailer was just really slack with keeping up his notes (or spreadsheet).

    4) I see what you and others wrote about which comment would get delayed longer than others and for what possible reasons. Interesting – I know I experienced this a couple of times – one I mentioned earlier.

    5) Also repeating somewhat here: Ron Unz gives the writers discretion in how to do the moderation and I guess the banning too. That bold text that I saw when I went to Roatan Bill’s** posts, saying “No more Libertarianism stuff here” in so many words is a Ron Unz thing. He gets upset about off-topic comments but only certain O/T topics. The dangers of the Kung Flu vax topic seems to get him the most agitated.

    6) I looked at the time stamps of your comments that noted new comments on the Steve Sailer thread. They make sense – GMT in the summer is 7 hours later than Pacific Daylight Time. Those ~7 PM ones would be Mr. Sailer’s noontime. I think he’s a late person.

    7) Those time stamps are links to the exact comments. You may know that already. If you don’t, don’t feel bad, as it took me a year to figure that out. I’d go through the “View Source” of the HTML to find the dang comment number to make a URL to lead to it directly. All you have to do, Greta, is click on the time stamp of a comment in question. The page won’t move much, but your URL (the whole link up top) will have #- [comment number] appended. Copy that and paste it to make a link to that comment. I hope this helps you.

    8) Yeah, that was great stuff regarding the Kung Flu in both AA’s O/P and especially in the comments. Thanks for the enjoyable reading.

    .

    * I meant to include him in my short list earlier, with Ted Rall and the like. Read this with a heavy sarcastic tone, but Ron Unz sure knows how to pick ’em!

    ** BTW, I read through some of his and agreed wholeheartedly with every one so far. He just can’t take the littlest bit of disagreement though.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  84. @Achmed E. Newman

    See the next RP thread for my comment on your laziness about learning the actual DETAILED story about that King Air crash with Senator Wellstone.
    It’s pretty objective ….

    How the eff do you know the NTSB report on Wellstone’s plane crash is objective?
    Did you PERSONALLY supervise over the evidence collecting?

    I ask you, was the NTSB report on the downing of TWA flight 800 from the mid 90’s, was that objective? Of course it was not.
    And you refused to comment on the veracity of the NIST report that claimed the WTC buildings came down in a ‘fire induced gravity collapse’ on the day of 9/11.
    Well, what are you waiting for Achmed? Was NIST telling us the truth about the events of 9/11?

    What don’t you understand about the following verifiably true statement?:

    The NTSB is a GUBMINT AGENCY and since ZOG controls the U.S GUBMINT, of course said agency will provide cover for crimes committed by the ZOG miscreants.

    i just can’t fathom how you (supposedly a grown man?) will just automatically swallow whatever your betters in Big Gubmint tell you without any critical analysis.
    Have you progressed beyond puberty Achmed? Because your GULLIBILITY is off the charts.

    Now, you criticise me for laziness in relation the OBVIOUSLY FRAUDULENT NTSB report on Wellstone’s plane crash.
    But in return, did you read the links to those articles that I posted in comment # 67, that established compelling prima facie and conclusive evidence to prove Wellstone’s death was no accident?
    No you did not you hypocrite.

    The fact is, there are only so many hours in the day and thus no time to waste on reading the output of obvious liars. Yes, I refer to the U.S Gubmint that you fawn over. They are PROVEN LIARS.
    Your Gubmint lies like it breathes – yet you still lap up what they’re telling you (like that shabbos goy Steve Sailer).

    You know, I’ve actually read the 9/11 Commission Report issued by the U.S Gubmint.
    NO, I didn’t run out and buy it at full price when it became available – seeing as I knew it was going to be fiction from start to finish.
    Many years later I was in a second hand bookstore and I saw it sitting there alone and unloved so I bought it for two bucks.

    But I was not prepared for the levels of mendacity contained within. Just B.S on steroids.
    More importantly, it used up a dozen or so hours of my valuable time in reading it – hours that I will never get back in my life.

    Bottom Line: No one (and I mean NOT A SINGLE ONE) among all the researchers with integrity that analysed the NTSB/Gubmint report of Wellstone’s plane crash, has a positive word to say about it. In fact they used words like … whitewash…. fiction … bald-faced lies.
    But that didn’t stop you from lapping it up.
    I mean, it’s almost like you’re covering for ZOG depravity Achmed. What is it with you?

    Lastly, you wrote this:

    You, however, T.V., have not answered anyone on the National Question of demographics. Is that because you don’t live here ….

    What question do you refer to? Was it to do with the uncontrolled immigration coming into the U.S?
    Firstly, I’m Australian and thus welcome the flood of immigrants and Donald Chump’s tariffs – because both will expedite the demise of the Great Satan (aka the USSA).
    Of course, the U.S has many decent people, living treasures like Dr Ron Paul, truth seekers like Thomas Massie, G Edward Griffin and countless others, so I’m sorry for them.

    But the fact of the matter is that the demise of the U.S, the chief deliverer of death and despair in this world (who together with the Apartheid Israeli state and Gross Britain represent the three heads of the hydra), will be that vital step that brings peace and prosperity to the world.

    So, anything that will fast track America’s demise (be that tariffs or uncontrolled immigration), I’m all for it. You see, once the U.S economy implodes (accompanied by loss of world reserve currency status for the USD), the ability for the U.S to conduct its murderous rampages and subsidise the wars/the genocide in Occupied Palestine etc, will be greatly diminished.
    Most importantly, it will be a mortal blow for ZOG, which will thereafter wither on the vine.
    Bring it on I say.

    You might counter by saying that it’s well and good for me to say that since I don’t reside in the U.S. But I would still say it even if I did live in America.
    But, knowing that the demise of the U.S is nigh, knowing that a whirlwind inflationary depression is coming your way, I would’ve got the hell out of America long ago and lived in a country with some semblance of a conscience.

    BTW, I recall hearing you say some derogatory things about Roatan Bill.
    Now, I haven’t always seen eye to eye with him, but the vast majority of what he says is rock solid. He is one very well informed bloke.

    You would do well to pay close attention to pretty much everything he says – because right now Achmed, it is evident that you are clueless on a range of topics.

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  85. @Achmed E. Newman

    Greta, I read that whole thread. That was one of the best by Mr. Anglin that I’ve read, and the comments were great.

    Thank you for the open minded effort. I just reread it, too, and felt both vindication and loss.

    It seems a lot longer ago that we commenters were working together to figure out both the COVID dempanic and Mr. Sailer’s sleazy manipulation of reader comments. There’s still much to learn about how things work in this world.

    I miss the contributions of Kali and Kratoklastes, both of whom have moved on from TUR. (And did you see that our friend here, Mark G., was there, too?)

    It’s also noteworthy that these discussions occurred under columns by the vulgar Andrew Anglin and the gentlemanly Ron Paul. What those authors share, though, is more important: an appreciation for the free speech that so many in our country and even here still take for granted.

    Ron Unz should keep in mind that his website’s primary value derives from the fact that 21st century Americans are the most thoroughly and effectively propagandized society in human history. But take hope — the Establishment is squeezing harder than ever because it’s losing its grip.

    • Agree: Mark G.
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  86. @Greta Handel

    Hello Greta – I finally have more time for this.

    But take hope — the Establishment is squeezing harder than ever because it’s losing its grip.

    I think and hope that you are right in this. For those badmouthing Orange Man “Chump”, hey, I don’t like the bragging, exaggerating, TV-worship, etc. either, but he’s what we got and he IS on our side. (I’ll write more on this in reply to T.V. on this or the next post.)

    As soon as Ron Paul puts in another post here, I’ll write more about that thread wrt the commenting/moderating/censoring etc. There were a lot more points I wanted to make based on the comments in that thread. I’ll link back to here though.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  87. @Truth Vigilante

    I have been known to wave my hands as you do on a lot of issues, but when it comes to the Paul Wellstone crash, I DO know about aviation, and I can actually read the NTSB report. I suppose actually reading details, rather than seeing some guy rant about things he has no idea about, is more your style.

    It works pretty well when discussing ideology, as I tend to agree with you on most Libertarian/Conservative issues. However, whenever someone disagrees even slilghtly – not even with you – it was Dr. Paul – instead of calmly presenting your side with examples, you come out ranting and raving.

    I don’t need that shit. It turns people off from the Ron Paul threads, seeing you ranting and raving, then Jokem saying some completely 180-deg off insults, and nobody else feels like reading anymore. You really suck in this way. That’s too bad, as you could have been helpful for the cause of freedom, were you to calm TF down.

    As for Roatan Bill, if you would read just above, you’d see that I wrote I agreed with him on everything on that Andrew Anglin thread, as I mostly have before. He is also like you, in that if you disagree with him one tiny bit, he’d got to stay up all night going on about it.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  88. Mark G. says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Steve leaving comments in moderation for long periods of time never happened to me but it did happen to frequent commenter PhysicistDave and caused him to stop commenting there. I saw him mention this later on in another part of the Unz Review website. It was specifically comments criticizing the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians in Gaza that were not going through.

    PhysicistDave was in his seventies and was in poor health, having had a stroke, and may have passed away by now. You may remember he was a frequent critic of Israel and the Jewish religion, often arousing the anger of Jewish commenter Jack D. I was flabbergasted later on when I saw Truth Vigilante accuse PhysicistDave of working for the ADL just because he did not agree with TV about something. This was so ridiculous Ron Unz himself entered the conversation and told TV just because you get in a bitter dispute with someone does not mean they are an agent of the ADL.

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  89. @Mark G.

    See my (many, too many!) comments in a “conversation” with T.V. under the next RP post – on tariffs. In the last one, I note that rather than seeing Donald Trump for the man he is, with petty juvenile vindictiveness being one of his flaws, T.V. “knows” that Trump is a ZOG stooge or controlled opposition.

    Usually, when you have one of these controlled opposition folks on your side working for you, you don’t try to assassinate him or harass him with lawfare for years. I don’t know, that’s just me. Maybe I don’t know controlled opposition tactics either. I do know that this type of thinking by T.V. seems like (real, not the usual excuse) autism.

    Were we to get along better, I would not mind bringing T.V. on a trip to Las Vegas with me. He ought to be able to count 6 decks of cards… to help me get my damn money back!

    Have a pleasant Sunday, Mark!

    .

    PS: Thanks for the info on Physicist Dave. That guy generally knew his shit, for sure.

  90. Jokem says:
    @HT

    Do not agree. Putin is a former KGB officer with the same mentality he had when there was a KGB.
    Putin may or may not be a Bolshevik, but that is the way I see him. He got into power the same way Joe Stalin did and retains power the same way.
    Whether he wants what’s best for Russia takes a back seat on what is best for Putin.

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